1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: What is God's interaction with kings. I mean, we're watching 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,000 all of a sudden it's Joe Biden, who's mentally crisp. 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:11,199 He is as good he's ever been. Joe Scarboro said 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,800 he's a better Joe Biden, better than he's ever been. 5 00:00:14,919 --> 00:00:18,199 And then two minutes later we got to toss this dude. 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,079 And now it's Cammy Harris, and she's a kind woman 7 00:00:22,839 --> 00:00:26,039 defined by her Christian faith. He's going to defend this nation. 8 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:29,960 She's never been borders are that's a lie. So, like 9 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:31,480 we talked about the other day, with the help of 10 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,679 Pete Townsend, meet the new boss, same as the old boss. 11 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:37,479 My friends and pastor Senior pastor of Real Life Ministry 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,320 is Jim Putman's here to talk to us about God's 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,719 interaction with kings. We'll get to that with the help 14 00:00:43,759 --> 00:00:46,200 of God Almighty. And we'll start right now. 15 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,799 Speaker 2: The Todd Herman Show is one hundred percent disapproved by 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:58,880 big pharma technocrats and tyrants everywhere. Now from the high 17 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:05,120 mountains of Free America, here's the Emerald City exile God 18 00:01:05,439 --> 00:01:06,439 her Man. 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: Today is a day the Lord has made, And these 20 00:01:16,359 --> 00:01:17,920 are the times so which God is the Saturday we 21 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,640 shall live. My friend Jim Putman's here closure having you, 22 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,760 thank you for coming in. Awesome, great to be here. 23 00:01:25,239 --> 00:01:31,920 What is the interaction throughout history with God and human kings? 24 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,760 I have a whole series of questions about this, but 25 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:37,920 let's start with maybe a meta narrative like God and 26 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,599 human kings and human leaders, and I mean, how would 27 00:01:40,599 --> 00:01:41,599 you describe this to people? 28 00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:47,799 Speaker 3: Well, there's obviously been leaders, whether they're emperors or kings 29 00:01:47,879 --> 00:01:53,799 or pharaohs forever right, as probably started as the human 30 00:01:53,879 --> 00:01:59,840 community grew. But God's version of leadership was never supposed 31 00:01:59,879 --> 00:02:04,159 to included king. So you go back to the scriptures 32 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:09,199 and it says that the last judge, you know, Samuel, comes, 33 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:12,000 They approach him and say, hey, we want a king 34 00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:13,520 like all the other nations. 35 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:14,599 Speaker 1: Right. 36 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,159 Speaker 3: So Samuel takes this to the Lord. 37 00:02:18,199 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 1: He know, he feels rejected the Lord. The Lord feels rejected. 38 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 3: Well, Samuel feels rejected, and he goes to the Lord 39 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,159 and the Lord says. 40 00:02:26,759 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: You're not the one they rejected. It's me. 41 00:02:29,719 --> 00:02:32,759 Speaker 3: And so from the very beginning, you know, he said, 42 00:02:32,759 --> 00:02:35,000 go tell him. If you do this, then the king's 43 00:02:35,039 --> 00:02:37,360 going to take your sons. He's going to take your daughters. 44 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:40,639 You're going to have to pay taxes. And so he says, 45 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,680 this is what's going to happen. And they say, we 46 00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:47,400 want that. We want everybody what everybody else has. Wow, 47 00:02:48,039 --> 00:02:50,960 and I read that this is subtext. 48 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:55,039 Speaker 1: It's not biblical, but sort of in my mind, I'm 49 00:02:55,039 --> 00:03:00,120 thinking of God going, this, dude's tall, the adust I 50 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,840 see him like picking Saul, going, I don't know, dude 51 00:03:02,879 --> 00:03:06,080 over here, he's tall, good looking, use him. And I 52 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,080 could see Samuel going, wait, but what are his It 53 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,000 doesn't matter. I mean, it's just a king. It's just 54 00:03:11,039 --> 00:03:14,159 a guy. And I don't know. God can use anybody. 55 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:17,039 He's Moses, who wasn't a great speaker, didn't want to speak, 56 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,599 and Aaron did the speaking. He used, he can use anybody, 57 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,719 the shepherd boy David. But God can use anybody. Is 58 00:03:24,719 --> 00:03:27,280 there any biblical reason why he picked Saul or is 59 00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:30,800 it just that he's tall? Well? I think. 60 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 3: What God was giving he said, Remember the request was 61 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,759 we want a king like everybody else. Yeah, right, so 62 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,400 tall was Saul was tall, he was handsome, He use 63 00:03:41,439 --> 00:03:41,960 all these things. 64 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: So I think God says, all right, I'll give you 65 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,560 one like everybody else. You don't love that. 66 00:03:48,879 --> 00:03:52,199 Speaker 3: But then you see the difference when David becomes king, right, right, 67 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,280 So David isn't even invited to the table with his brothers, 68 00:03:56,080 --> 00:04:00,240 to Jesse's table. He's out being a shepherd, right. And 69 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:03,560 so when Samuel gets there, he looks at the oldest 70 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,039 one and he says, oh, this guy's handsome, he's tall. 71 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:07,919 This has got to be it. Remember what God says. 72 00:04:08,199 --> 00:04:11,680 God doesn't judge by the outer appearance. He judges by 73 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,719 the heart. So in this case, he said, all right, 74 00:04:14,719 --> 00:04:17,040 I'm going to choose David. I'm going to show you 75 00:04:17,079 --> 00:04:20,800 one that's after my own heart versus sort of the 76 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,199 one you think you want. And sometimes the worst thing 77 00:04:24,399 --> 00:04:27,959 that God can do is to say, all right, I'll 78 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,639 give you what you want. I think that is. That's 79 00:04:31,639 --> 00:04:33,839 what I pray for. Lord, don't give me what I 80 00:04:33,879 --> 00:04:36,240 think I want. Give me what I know I need 81 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,759 from your perspective. And that's sort of a dying to 82 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,360 yourself and letting you know, walking by faith versus you know, 83 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,000 scripture provertcy. He says, trust in the Lord with your 84 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,519 whole heart, lean not on your own understanding, but in 85 00:04:47,519 --> 00:04:51,199 all your ways acknowledge him. So yeah, I think that 86 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,040 is a prime example of God giving them what they 87 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,480 thought they wanted. And then this guy started out small 88 00:04:57,519 --> 00:05:01,079 in his own eyes, but he became proud, he became 89 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,560 about his own reputation, he became about compromising with God. 90 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:08,839 And then you find out God rejects him, because rebellion 91 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,480 is just as witchcraft before the Lord, and that's. 92 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:13,439 Speaker 1: Something for all of us to learn. 93 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: Rebellion is to not do what God said to do 94 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,279 to please yourself or please people, and so that is 95 00:05:20,519 --> 00:05:26,639 as divination or you know, necromancy, being demonic rebellion and pride. 96 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,600 God hates pride. It causes rebellion. It started the problem 97 00:05:30,639 --> 00:05:32,680 in the garden. It's a source of all of our 98 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,920 problems now. And humbling yourself, letting him save you and 99 00:05:36,959 --> 00:05:40,839 letting him lead you is the key to salvation and 100 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:41,839 eternity with him. 101 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, I love the way put that, And so 102 00:05:44,319 --> 00:05:46,399 we go. I want to talk about David and that 103 00:05:46,399 --> 00:05:50,240 that interaction, because David is a man after God's own hearts. 104 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,319 And then David departs in some really really significant ways 105 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:56,439 and has a son named Solomon, And there was in 106 00:05:56,480 --> 00:05:58,800 fact a request I ask you about Solomon, and this 107 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,720 came in an email because mentioned that we're going to 108 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,480 be talking about kings and so I'll run that bay 109 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:05,959 you Jim Pupman, Senior pastor Real Life Ministries, Well, we'll 110 00:06:05,959 --> 00:06:08,519 get into this conversation. We're talking about the soul, and 111 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:12,240 the soul, of course is the eternal being. 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There's 151 00:08:10,199 --> 00:08:13,839 a scene that David decided to pretend to be a madman, 152 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:16,680 to be crazy to you know, drip snot from his nose, 153 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,839 and he was not perfect, but he was a man 154 00:08:19,879 --> 00:08:23,560 after God's own hearts. What's the big difference between Saul 155 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,759 and David in your mind? Biblically that's your mind, But biblically. 156 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 3: I think what makes David a man after God's own 157 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:36,159 heart is that he first of all understands as you 158 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:37,960 read through the Book of Psalms. That's kind of in 159 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,799 my view, it's inspired by scripture, but it's also his 160 00:08:40,879 --> 00:08:44,440 prayer journal, which you know, tells us that you can, 161 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,320 you know, be angry at God, you can share with 162 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:49,360 God your feelings. 163 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: And I think David, though he struggled. 164 00:08:54,639 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: And even made like, you know, he'd be on death 165 00:08:57,399 --> 00:09:02,039 row in our culture because he you know, not only 166 00:09:02,279 --> 00:09:08,600 had adultery, but he killed the woman he's with his husband, yeah, sheep, 167 00:09:08,639 --> 00:09:11,759 his husband. One of his close friends. Right, and what 168 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:14,639 you see is he sins here. And by the way, 169 00:09:14,879 --> 00:09:18,080 there were consequences to that sin. His family, the pain 170 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,080 of watching your children kill one another try to kill you. 171 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,519 You know, as a result of all this, there was consequences. 172 00:09:25,519 --> 00:09:29,480 But when the prophet came to him and said, hey, uh, 173 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,720 you sinned, and he actually tells a story about a 174 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:35,919 man who had one sheep and a guy who had 175 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,039 a lot, and he wanted to have a dinner, so 176 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:39,919 he didn't kill one of his own sheep. He killed 177 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:43,159 this guy with his one sheep, and David was so 178 00:09:43,279 --> 00:09:46,039 incensed by it that he said, all right, that guy 179 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,919 needs to die, right, And then the prophet says, that 180 00:09:49,039 --> 00:09:52,120 man is you. It's funny when you you know, he 181 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,840 couldn't see in his own life, but boy, he was 182 00:09:56,879 --> 00:09:59,679 sure easy to you make a judgment in somebody else's. 183 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:02,120 And then you know, the prophet said that man is you. 184 00:10:02,879 --> 00:10:07,720 And when when David heard this, you know, he was like, 185 00:10:07,799 --> 00:10:08,480 what have I done? 186 00:10:09,039 --> 00:10:12,440 Speaker 1: God? Forgive me for people don't know what happened to 187 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,720 David and what he did. If I remember this correctly, 188 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:18,720 David had been on the rooftop the King's rooftop Mighty View, 189 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:22,039 and he observed a woman in the back of her 190 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,720 home and on top of the roof, yeah, on top 191 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:28,080 of the roof. And her name was Bathsheba. And David said, 192 00:10:28,279 --> 00:10:30,120 and I don't think it says this in the Bible, 193 00:10:30,159 --> 00:10:32,480 but I think that he said, Wow, she's hot. Yeah, 194 00:10:32,639 --> 00:10:36,080 that's not exactly right, that's right. And then he's the king, 195 00:10:36,279 --> 00:10:38,840 so he's like a rock star and he'd bring her 196 00:10:38,879 --> 00:10:40,440 on over. I tell her she gets to get us, 197 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,320 she gets a VIP pass, she gets the backstage pass, 198 00:10:42,799 --> 00:10:48,039 and then he seduces her or whatever he does, and 199 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,960 they have sexual relations. She's pregnant, and he draws her 200 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,919 husband back from the front and he says, go sleep 201 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,200 with your wife. Yea, And the guy says, no, I 202 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,320 won't depart my you know, I'm going to guard my post. 203 00:10:59,399 --> 00:11:01,159 My men are out in the field right. No way, 204 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:03,519 I'm not doing that. And he gets him drunk and 205 00:11:03,519 --> 00:11:06,639 now go sleep with your wife. No, I won't to 206 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:09,799 part you, And David makes this desperate decision to send 207 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,399 the guy to the front with instructions his own. Yeah, 208 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:15,039 he made him carry that without him knowing it. 209 00:11:15,279 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 3: The instructions to the front line that says, put him 210 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:20,240 out on the front line, leave him there, pull back, 211 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,480 get him killed. And by the way, that Uriah was 212 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:26,919 one of David's mighty men, one of his close personal friends. 213 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,039 Speaker 1: He did this a close personal friend. And so then 214 00:11:30,039 --> 00:11:32,679 the prophet comes to him and says, you have sinned. 215 00:11:32,799 --> 00:11:36,240 You are the guy who you're describing. You're angry about 216 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:39,200 the sheep. This is you and David in one of 217 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:42,480 the psalms of repentance, are there I'm thirty one? I 218 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,240 think it is. Yeah, are there five psalms of repentance? 219 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 3: Well, I know of Psalm fifty one, I think it 220 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,960 is and Psalm thirty one are the two that you 221 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,679 know talk about, you know, his own sin and his 222 00:11:55,799 --> 00:11:56,679 bones ached. 223 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: He was just he was just in agony, intel he confessed. 224 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,600 So he confesses and this is I think what he says, 225 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,360 wash me with hissop and I will be clean. And 226 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,240 he's saying he's recognizing the Lord's ability to wash him. 227 00:12:09,519 --> 00:12:11,000 David didn't have the Holy Spirit, did he? 228 00:12:11,919 --> 00:12:15,279 Speaker 3: Well, in the Old Testament, you have the Holy Spirit 229 00:12:15,399 --> 00:12:19,440 came and departed, but okay, and would influence the writing 230 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,759 of the scriptures and come upon those guys at certain 231 00:12:21,799 --> 00:12:25,840 times and places, but it wasn't until the resurrection of Jesus, 232 00:12:25,879 --> 00:12:30,519 the Lamb, who is slain. Now you're declared righteous by 233 00:12:30,639 --> 00:12:32,840 the blood of Jesus if you accepted him. Now, the 234 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:38,600 Holy Spirit is an internal deposit given to you that 235 00:12:38,799 --> 00:12:41,960 helps you become what you've already been declared to be, 236 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:45,679 and then speaks to the Father as your intercessor. 237 00:12:45,919 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love that. And that's difference is And 238 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,559 I'm not I can't descripture in verse yet. I'm working 239 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,840 on it. But there was a moment in the Old 240 00:12:56,879 --> 00:13:00,120 Testament where some people had been given the job of 241 00:13:00,159 --> 00:13:03,399 guarding the arc of the Covenant, and the Lord prescribed, 242 00:13:03,919 --> 00:13:06,720 here's how you carry the arc, right, you walk very slowly. 243 00:13:07,399 --> 00:13:10,000 It was painstaking, but look, this is the ark of 244 00:13:10,039 --> 00:13:13,000 the Covenant. This is a place for me. You were 245 00:13:13,039 --> 00:13:15,240 to carry it very very slowly, not to touch it, 246 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,639 not to touch it. And it was even like you 247 00:13:17,639 --> 00:13:19,639 take four steps and then you stop. It was almost 248 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,879 like a dance. Well, yeah, they slaughtered countless. I don't 249 00:13:23,919 --> 00:13:24,480 even know how many. 250 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 3: I mean the numbers there, yeah, but animals every few feet, 251 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,720 I mean, you know, they just did all kinds. 252 00:13:30,519 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 1: Of different stuff. 253 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:31,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. 254 00:13:31,519 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: Right. So towards the end of that journey hurrying departing 255 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,159 God's word on how his how the Ark of the 256 00:13:39,159 --> 00:13:41,679 Covenant was to be treated, one of the guys ends 257 00:13:41,759 --> 00:13:45,320 up touching it. Yeah, it starts to fall. They stumble, right, 258 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,639 the animals do. It starts to fall, yeah, and a 259 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,679 guy touches it, grabs it to stop it. Instruck dead. 260 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:53,279 Instruck dead. And he was taught his whole life he 261 00:13:53,399 --> 00:13:55,519 was from, was the Levites that he was. He was 262 00:13:55,519 --> 00:13:57,360 taught his whole life, here's how you deal with this. 263 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,279 And he got to hurrying. And what I think is 264 00:14:01,279 --> 00:14:04,240 so remarkable is he broke that rule carrying the covenants. 265 00:14:04,279 --> 00:14:06,440 And then God turns around and puts the Holy Spirit 266 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:11,120 in us. And now our bodies were to treat our 267 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:15,360 bodies that way. They say that the body is a temple. Yeah, 268 00:14:15,879 --> 00:14:17,559 not that we don't get touched and die. 269 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,639 Speaker 3: But I think when he's using that phraseology, he's talking 270 00:14:21,679 --> 00:14:23,320 about the body. 271 00:14:23,039 --> 00:14:24,559 Speaker 1: Of Christ, which would be the church. 272 00:14:24,759 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 3: Okay, ye, now is it true that the Holy Spirit 273 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:29,879 does live in us? 274 00:14:30,039 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: So there, you're right. There are two different passages there. 275 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,279 Talks about there's. 276 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 3: A sin that that you can do that sins against 277 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:40,840 your own body, sin of sex outside of marriage. There 278 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,159 are things that you can do that you personally are 279 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,840 the temple of the Holy Spirit, but collectively were the 280 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,559 body of Christ. We're a holy temple with each of 281 00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:52,759 us like a living stone with Christ. Jesus is the cornerstone. 282 00:14:52,799 --> 00:14:56,000 The apostles and the prophets is the foundation. So that's 283 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,320 in Ephesians. And we're a bit like being built into 284 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:03,279 a holy temple. And and so yes, there's the individual piece. 285 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: The Holy Spirit lives in me. Be careful what we 286 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,039 do with our bodies. And he's talking about don't don't 287 00:15:08,159 --> 00:15:11,559 connect your body to a prostitute, right, you're it? Can 288 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:12,519 it can? Can? 289 00:15:12,879 --> 00:15:17,399 Speaker 3: Can you being the temple of the Holy Spirit joined 290 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,039 with the prostitute? No, you don't do that, yea, So 291 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,240 he's talking, Yeah, so it's a it's a it's a complicated, 292 00:15:24,879 --> 00:15:26,360 nuanced discussion, right. 293 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,519 Speaker 1: But and but it is accurate that our bodies, our 294 00:15:29,519 --> 00:15:33,360 bodies singular, were to treat as a temple because we 295 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,399 have the Holy Spirit within us, the Kingdom of Heaven 296 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:37,559 within us. Yes, the Holy Spirit lives within us. Right, 297 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:38,799 So in other words, you're going to come work out 298 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,759 with me no, you caught me, all right, Jim Putman's 299 00:15:44,519 --> 00:15:47,399 thank you appreciate that that wasn't planning an events. So 300 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,399 we go from David. David eventually dies, he passes the 301 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:54,200 kingdom on to Solomon. And uh, this is the note 302 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:56,720 I got from a gentleman who has been through a divorce. 303 00:15:57,519 --> 00:16:00,960 He is now in the residue of the divorce. He 304 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,600 has lost friends, Christian communities. Some of the Christian community 305 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,440 have turned against him. Hey, you divorce your wife, you're 306 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,279 no longer part of the community. And he's dealing with 307 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:10,679 his pain and one of the things that he's been 308 00:16:10,679 --> 00:16:12,919 doing is of course going to the Bible, and he 309 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:16,120 was reading Proverbs and there's a lot of proverbs in 310 00:16:16,159 --> 00:16:18,759 there written by Solomon, and it was very comforting to him. 311 00:16:18,919 --> 00:16:20,639 And he's reading this, going, okay, right, this is what 312 00:16:20,679 --> 00:16:23,159 we're to do. This is moral, and well, you know what, 313 00:16:23,159 --> 00:16:25,679 my friends might have a point, but the decisions made 314 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,120 they've had the divorce. And then he wrote to me 315 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:29,519 and said, hey, well we ask your pastor about this. 316 00:16:29,879 --> 00:16:32,639 I'm reading getting all this comfort. Then I sit back 317 00:16:32,639 --> 00:16:36,480 and to wait a minute. Solomon had like two hundred 318 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:40,720 wives and a bunch of concubines, and he's writing to 319 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:45,480 his sons saying, hey, don't see prostitutes. Don't like have 320 00:16:45,639 --> 00:16:49,639 multiple women? He had how many wives? Yeah, I mean 321 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:54,639 nineteen hundred No, no concubine. Yeah there was, but there 322 00:16:54,679 --> 00:16:57,399 was a bunch. I can't remember the number. And suddenly 323 00:16:57,399 --> 00:16:59,399 he's going back to go wait a minute, I was 324 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,600 getting this great comfort of the Bible, and I'm reading 325 00:17:01,639 --> 00:17:04,000 the words of one of the greatest hypocrites in the 326 00:17:04,039 --> 00:17:07,039 history of the world, Solomon, who was also the wisest. 327 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,200 Like when God said, you know you're going to be king, 328 00:17:10,759 --> 00:17:12,680 how can I prepare you? He didn't want riches, he 329 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,319 didn't want probably want a wisdom, and God made him 330 00:17:15,319 --> 00:17:18,039 this really wise man who then turned around said I'm 331 00:17:18,039 --> 00:17:20,359 gonna have a couple hundred wives in a concubine, so 332 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:21,440 help him with that. 333 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,799 Speaker 3: Well, first of all, again, what I'm about to say 334 00:17:26,039 --> 00:17:29,519 might be a little bit disputable, depending on you know 335 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:34,440 which pastor or theologian you're talking to. I believe Proverbs 336 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:39,359 was written earlier on in his life, and as you 337 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:42,960 read the story. As you read the story, he actually 338 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:48,440 he starts to marry. Remember the Old Testament said, don't 339 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,440 make treaties, don't give your daughters, don't take their daughters. 340 00:17:53,079 --> 00:17:55,920 He started doing this, and it actually says that his 341 00:17:56,039 --> 00:18:00,359 heart was corrupted by his wives, and he actually brought 342 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:04,240 in all of these women he would marry as daughters 343 00:18:04,279 --> 00:18:06,640 of a king as a form of treaty, and then 344 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:10,400 he would bring in their temples into Jerusalem. He was 345 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:16,160 actually responsible later in his life for filling the filling 346 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:20,319 Jerusalem with the temples of false gods. So not only 347 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,400 did he disobey God about how many wives he disobeyed 348 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,519 God about marrying, he broke the Jewish law. And so 349 00:18:28,799 --> 00:18:31,039 if you look into a book of Ecclesiastes, he wrote 350 00:18:31,039 --> 00:18:35,319 that as well. He tells the story of how he 351 00:18:35,519 --> 00:18:38,119 decided he was going to take his wisdom and he 352 00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,000 was going to test wisdom. Rather than trusting God's wisdom, 353 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,519 he was going to try to discern his own wisdom. 354 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,599 So he gave himself the pleasure. He gave himself to 355 00:18:46,839 --> 00:18:47,640 building stuff. 356 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: He did all this stuff. 357 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:53,519 Speaker 3: And the phrase he uses us all throughout is meaningless, meaningless. 358 00:18:53,559 --> 00:18:56,799 Everything is meaningless. And then he uses this phraseology under 359 00:18:56,839 --> 00:18:59,880 the sun, and that's s u N not so o N. 360 00:19:00,279 --> 00:19:03,279 Speaker 1: So what he's basically come to the conclusion of and 361 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:05,759 he says, this is the end of it of his book. 362 00:19:06,079 --> 00:19:10,279 Speaker 3: Everything that's that's in the world, the human world, that 363 00:19:10,319 --> 00:19:14,519 we're in the physical universe without bringing God into the 364 00:19:14,519 --> 00:19:19,480 equation above the heavens and the earth, without bringing under 365 00:19:19,519 --> 00:19:25,359 the sun, everything you do out there is meaningless without 366 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:30,039 bringing God into the equation. And so I actually, you know, 367 00:19:30,039 --> 00:19:33,559 and we don't know when in his life he actually 368 00:19:33,559 --> 00:19:37,480 wrote that, but it does say as one of the 369 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:42,359 statements about Solomon that he his heart was corrupted and 370 00:19:42,559 --> 00:19:48,240 he actually left wisdom. And so there are some people 371 00:19:48,279 --> 00:19:50,680 that actually believe that he wasn't saved. 372 00:19:51,279 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: He was. I just going to ask you, because I 373 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,960 believe David was. He came back to the Lord, right, 374 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,839 So I actually believe that. 375 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 3: And again this is disputable. When did he write Ecclesiastes. 376 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:12,279 It's hard to say. If he wrote Ecclesiastes after doing 377 00:20:12,319 --> 00:20:14,759 all that stuff, then of course I think he came 378 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:17,440 to some conclusions. He went and hurt himself and learned 379 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,559 some stuff, and God directed him. I believe the book 380 00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:25,000 of Ecclesiastes and Proverbs is inspired by God. That's why 381 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:29,920 it's in scripture. But I tend to lean towards at 382 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,920 the end of his life, he was not saved. 383 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so help my friend who's been through this divorce. 384 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,000 He's trying to find comfort here and he's reading the 385 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,799 great Words at Solomon, and here's this massive hypocrite. Yeah. 386 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,079 Speaker 3: I would say at the time that he wrote what 387 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:51,240 he wrote, I think he was living out what he believed. 388 00:20:51,279 --> 00:20:53,480 I don't think he lived out what he believed later on. 389 00:20:54,039 --> 00:20:57,440 So a hypocrite is a person who is an actor pretender. 390 00:20:58,880 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: All of us fail. 391 00:20:59,759 --> 00:21:04,079 Speaker 3: I fail in my walk with God, and I'm selfish, 392 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,079 I get self centered, I get proud, I get all 393 00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:07,599 those things. 394 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 1: But when the Holy Spirit. 395 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,519 Speaker 3: Reminds me, when I'm in the Word of God, when 396 00:21:12,599 --> 00:21:16,680 my brothers and sisters in Christ say, hey, you know, Jim, 397 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,279 you're getting a little full of yourself, It's like, what 398 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,839 have I done? The Holy Spirit convicts me. I failed. 399 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,119 I have a sinful nature. I didn't die to that 400 00:21:27,839 --> 00:21:30,880 or I just started acting and wasn't thinking, and you know, 401 00:21:31,759 --> 00:21:32,279 acting not. 402 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: As like an actor. 403 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,079 Speaker 3: But I'm just doing stuff and just reacting to what's 404 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,000 happening in my day instead of dying to self and saying, 405 00:21:40,039 --> 00:21:41,000 Holy Spirit guide me. 406 00:21:41,519 --> 00:21:42,039 Speaker 1: I fail. 407 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 3: I'm dependent upon God's grace right now again, you have 408 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:48,839 to have great The only way we got saved in 409 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:52,400 the Old Testament was by God's grace as well. In 410 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:54,799 the Law you had the law, but you had the sacrifices, 411 00:21:54,839 --> 00:21:57,519 which said, here's the law, but I'm going to give 412 00:21:57,519 --> 00:22:02,920 you sacrifices because you can't follow the law. Jesus is 413 00:22:03,079 --> 00:22:06,519 the ultimate sacrifice. Those sacrifices in the Old Testament point 414 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,880 forward to Christ the sacrificed. 415 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: But it's grace. You're saved by grace, your faith in 416 00:22:14,039 --> 00:22:18,680 the Old and the News. So David was being a hypocrite, right, 417 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,599 and when he got called on it, he's like, what 418 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:21,160 have I done? 419 00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 3: If Saul or a Solomon was a hypocrite? And later 420 00:22:26,079 --> 00:22:28,200 on goes what am I doing? I think he ended 421 00:22:28,279 --> 00:22:31,160 up being saved, right, But if he died in this 422 00:22:31,319 --> 00:22:34,279 state of he's been polluted and corrupted by his many 423 00:22:34,319 --> 00:22:39,599 wives and worshiping false gods. If Ecclesiastes was written earlier 424 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,039 in his life, God directed him to write it. But 425 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:46,200 this gets into this question of once they'd always saved. 426 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,039 And for me, I believe that there's warnings all throughout 427 00:22:50,039 --> 00:22:53,279 the scriptures about don't fall away my life. 428 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,079 Speaker 1: Versus Hebrews three twelve thirteen. 429 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,759 Speaker 3: See to it, my brothers and sisters, that none of 430 00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:58,839 you gets the sin valna believing heart that turns away 431 00:22:58,839 --> 00:23:01,559 from the living God. Encourage one another daily so that 432 00:23:01,559 --> 00:23:05,160 your hearts will not be hardened by sense deceitfulness. Why 433 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:07,880 all the warnings in Hebrews if it's not possible to 434 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:11,359 drift away? And even the angels he warns in you 435 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:16,640 know Hebrews too, the angels were drifted away, and so 436 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,680 they're in hell or they're going to be in hell. 437 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,400 And he says, don't you know, be careful that you 438 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,640 do not drift away, And then he uses the angels 439 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,319 as an example. Why is he warning me and doing 440 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:28,519 that if it's not possible. 441 00:23:28,559 --> 00:23:30,839 Speaker 1: You and I hold the same view in that yours 442 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,000 is more advanced, I'm sure than I am, But I 443 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:35,440 hold the same exact view for many, many of the 444 00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:40,880 same reasons what you just mentioned about kings and about 445 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,720 the earthly way and about these compromises. I am getting 446 00:23:43,759 --> 00:23:47,839 a ton of pushback, and I mean an unusual amount 447 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,799 of pushback by virtue of a position I took on 448 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,160 the Republican National Convension, And I'm wondering if you can 449 00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:57,119 explain this better than I am. First of all, I'm 450 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:58,599 not sure I agree with you, So let's find out 451 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,440 what you say. I'll tell you, I'll tell you the second, 452 00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:04,720 and we'll clear the air. You'll notice in this studio 453 00:24:04,759 --> 00:24:06,759 that it smells like a thunderstorm. I'm not asking you 454 00:24:06,759 --> 00:24:10,400 to participate. You're a pastor, please don't. But truly, two 455 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,000 weeks ago, when our friend Zach Abraham, chief investment officer 456 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,799 bull Or Capital Management, walked in those doors over there, 457 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,480 I'm pointing for people on video pay poble on audio, 458 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,799 I'm pointing. Trust me. Zach walked in open doors, said wow, 459 00:24:21,839 --> 00:24:23,279 it smells like a thunderstorm in here. I'm like, do 460 00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:25,920 you ever listen to the podcast on was He says, 461 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,119 Oh yeah, wait wait wait that that thing? That thing, 462 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,359 where is it? So? Right over there on the wall, 463 00:24:30,519 --> 00:24:34,160 it's producing ozone in this room, and those molecules seek 464 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,839 out and destroy odors. Even behind furniture, there's nothing that 465 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,079 can hide from the thunderstorm. We have a common friend, Ben, 466 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:42,799 you know what I'm talking about, My sports med doc 467 00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:46,400 good friend. He has this in his home gym. Now 468 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,079 you don't get the sweat smell. He has it in 469 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,519 his studio. He's a sports med doc. Now you don't 470 00:24:51,519 --> 00:24:53,440 have the smell of the gym. A studios in a gym. 471 00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:55,559 And this was the Miracus if you can relate to this. 472 00:24:55,599 --> 00:24:59,599 As a hunter. Ben went up and he was planning 473 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:01,480 to hunt bear, but he had a tag. It was 474 00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:05,119 legal target of opportunity. He took a bear and took 475 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,519 it home and blood gout on the seat of his truck. 476 00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:09,960 So he tried to clean it off, and then it 477 00:25:10,039 --> 00:25:12,200 smelled and it stunk, and he cleaned some more, but 478 00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:13,799 it was still stinking. It was when we were doing 479 00:25:13,799 --> 00:25:16,839 one hundred and three degrees and he finally figured out, 480 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,519 wait a minute, there's bear sausage I took up to 481 00:25:19,559 --> 00:25:22,799 eat and it was below my seat and it is rotted. 482 00:25:23,519 --> 00:25:27,640 So he took the thunderstorm the oxy leaf too, thunderstorm device, 483 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,880 stuck it in there overnight and everything, all the junk, perfume, 484 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,119 the fake new truck smell he sprayed in his truck, 485 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,200 all of it was gone. Because that's what ozone does. 486 00:25:37,839 --> 00:25:40,839 There is a new special with this act now and 487 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:44,240 transform your environment today. Go to edenpredeals dot com. Use 488 00:25:44,319 --> 00:25:47,640 discount code todd Bogo. That's not my new last name, 489 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,880 but it's Todd buy one, get one todd Bogo and 490 00:25:51,079 --> 00:25:55,119 get buy one get one free. It said edenpuerdeals dot 491 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,240 com eatingpreredeals dot Com. Discount code is todd Bogo. One 492 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,440 word Todd bo go Jim. I watched the R and 493 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:06,359 C not in whole because I don't do that. I 494 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,720 don't I don't attend political speeches. I don't attend political rallies. 495 00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:15,519 I read, I read position papers. I watch later analytically. 496 00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:17,680 I choose not to be sucked into those things because 497 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,599 I know they're seductive. The R and C allowed two 498 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,279 prayers to false gods, and one was the Seak God. 499 00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,960 One was Mohammed. Both of course, stands against the Lord Jesus, 500 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,799 even if they say nice things. I think Muhammad is 501 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,119 openly demonic personally. That's my take. The Seak God I 502 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,359 know a little about. I know that this false god 503 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,759 is genderless. And my position on this is they ought 504 00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:45,079 not have done it because we are told to love 505 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,240 God with all our heart, all our mind, all our soul, 506 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,480 to worship no other gods with them but Him and 507 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,119 I watched people in the audience bow their heads and 508 00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:58,200 pray to a false God. And my thinking of this is, hey, 509 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,920 you may well win a presidential life with this pandering. 510 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,519 Because it's pandering, you might well build an intersectional base. 511 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,119 And if that works, when someone comes along the X 512 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,359 time and says, hey, you know what, let's have the 513 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,319 satan this cup because there's like fourteen percent of people 514 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:13,880 now we'll say they're Satanist. Why don't you just have 515 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,799 a pert satan We're not endorsing it, it's just it's 516 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,640 on the teleprompter. Then what do you say, Well, it 517 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,000 worked last time, so you win the presidency and God willing, 518 00:27:24,079 --> 00:27:26,920 I want Donald Trump to be presidents. I so much 519 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,119 evil's done through Cammy Harris and Joe Biden. No question 520 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,359 to me who I'm going to vote for. But I'm 521 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,720 looking at this saying you are putting the souls of 522 00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:38,519 the followers of the RNC at risk. And this is 523 00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:41,759 a day after God saved your life, President Trump. This 524 00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:44,400 is just everything we've been talking about with kings turning 525 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,599 their back on God. And my position on this is 526 00:27:47,599 --> 00:27:49,839 they shouldn't have done it. Here's the pushback free speech. 527 00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:52,240 This is a free speech country. They have to allow that. 528 00:27:52,759 --> 00:27:56,440 They can't stop that, they can't ban prayers, not banning prayers. 529 00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:59,640 So I haven't been able to sufficiently explain to people 530 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:03,200 why a political victory is not worth your soul or 531 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,960 your soul of your members. And I've never in my 532 00:28:06,079 --> 00:28:08,799 podcasting career this topic is the one that has people 533 00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:12,640 most angry at me. So help me, or maybe you agree, 534 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,480 maybe you agree with all my listeners. I'm a completely 535 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:16,319 I'm a first of all. 536 00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:22,279 Speaker 3: What I got from that was they were saying, Hey, 537 00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:27,759 we all believe in one God, and Allah is the 538 00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:31,160 same God as the Christian God. We just call him 539 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:36,440 by a different name. Okay, that's absolutely untrue. That's absolutely untrue. 540 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,960 The god of war from the Arabs, Allah, you know, 541 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:46,200 different God, not the same. There's only one way to heaven, 542 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,960 that's true, Jesus Christ. If you can just if you 543 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,319 can just believe in any god, then then God the 544 00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,440 Father is an abuser. But because you could have been 545 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,960 saved in another way other than putting Jesus on the cross, 546 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,039 why send him? If everyone he's okay, if they're sincere already, 547 00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:06,039 you know, why sit out the disciples to go and 548 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:10,599 die when they're fine already. No, Jesus said, I'm the 549 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,160 way the truth life. No one comes to the Father 550 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,960 except for me. So if they would have done something 551 00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:22,799 like this, Hey, we believe in the that that God 552 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,960 is an important part of what we believe. We recognize 553 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:36,160 that you believe in different gods, and so in order 554 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:41,720 to not offend you, we're not going to pray at all. Right, 555 00:29:41,839 --> 00:29:43,960 I'd have been Okay, yep, I mean you're right. 556 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,119 Speaker 1: There is free speech, but that doesn't mean I have 557 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,799 to use my freedom of speech to speak. Do you 558 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,880 understand I'm saying there's some things I'm just not going 559 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,440 to say. I'm certainly not going to say that it's 560 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,960 the same God, not going to do it. I'm not 561 00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:01,799 going to ask people to pray to a God that 562 00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:05,640 I don't think exists, or act as though we're all 563 00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:08,480 I'm not going to promote anything that says any God's 564 00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:10,400 name will do it's all the same. I'm not going 565 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,039 to do it now here. 566 00:30:13,119 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 3: To give people the benefit of the doubt, there have 567 00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:22,160 been times where I know whoever's praying, maybe it's a Mormon, 568 00:30:22,359 --> 00:30:27,119 maybe it's a whatever. I'm they have the right to 569 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:27,440 do that. 570 00:30:27,559 --> 00:30:30,079 Speaker 1: Somebody is elected to have them do that, there's going 571 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,039 to be a moment of silence, and while they're up 572 00:30:34,039 --> 00:30:37,200 there praying, I am going to bow my head and 573 00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,680 pray to God in Jesus' name for them. I'm going 574 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,960 to give the benefit. 575 00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 3: Of the doubt that everybody did that bowed their head 576 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,240 didn't believe that there was just one God there, right. 577 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:52,759 I just think what they did was unwise to insinuate 578 00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:55,599 that it's all the same God in the name of 579 00:30:55,759 --> 00:31:02,640 inclusivity or diversity, because as a Christian I cannot. I 580 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,519 cannot go along with there's any God will do or 581 00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:08,799 there's no God. I can't stand for that. 582 00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: Now. At the same time, I'm okay being somewhere and 583 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,480 not having things go my way. 584 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:21,039 Speaker 3: Right, you have to be okay with that. In the 585 00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:23,240 American culture and in the world we live in, I 586 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:25,640 can be shut out. They don't have to let me 587 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,559 speak at all. They don't have to. I don't have 588 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,400 to like it, but I'm not going to do anything 589 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,799 that says I agree with what you're saying or doing same. 590 00:31:37,359 --> 00:31:40,359 And that's very well said and probably better than I 591 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,119 said it. And my view on this is very simple 592 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,960 that my priority is souls. It is My priority is Heaven, 593 00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:52,359 the kingdom. And I don't care about the R and 594 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,920 C even a little bit, even though you used to 595 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,440 be in the leadership team there, I truly don't care. 596 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:01,000 I care about the country. Obviously wants the country to 597 00:32:01,039 --> 00:32:02,759 be okay, But I don't think the country can be 598 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:06,000 okay if we're not first concentrating on souls. Yeah, I 599 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,160 think we have it upside down. Let's do the country 600 00:32:08,359 --> 00:32:09,720 and then look then talk about souls. 601 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: Remember Shadrack Mishek and have been to go in the 602 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,400 Book of Daniel. 603 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. So Nebucannezeer says, I red this God. I'm 604 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,319 gonna play these songs and you're all gonna bow down. 605 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And they say they said no, they didn't 606 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,240 pick it, they didn't say anything. All they did is 607 00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:30,480 they just stood. Now. Now these people came, the Nebukanezer's 608 00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:32,839 guys came and said, hey, those guys aren't doing this, 609 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,079 and they tried to make them do it, and. 610 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 3: They said, hey, our God is able to save us, 611 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,319 but even if he doesn't, I will not bow down 612 00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:39,880 and worship. 613 00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:40,799 Speaker 1: Right. 614 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,319 Speaker 3: So you know the story of Shadwick me share so 615 00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:45,680 if you're if you're trying to get up there and 616 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,640 say this is we all believe in God, the Seekh God, 617 00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,599 the Muslim God, the Mormon God, and the Christian God, 618 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:53,480 and it's all the same thing. 619 00:32:53,559 --> 00:32:54,079 Speaker 1: Can't do it. 620 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,559 Speaker 3: If you're gonna say, hey, we're gonna have a moment 621 00:32:56,599 --> 00:33:01,240 of prayer for you to pray to whichever god you 622 00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:03,720 know quotation marks you want to pray to. 623 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,319 Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to pray to my God, who is 624 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,200 the only God, who is God. 625 00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:12,519 Speaker 3: And you're going to be foolish to pray to somebody else. 626 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,200 You know, the New Testament says you're actually praying to demons. 627 00:33:16,839 --> 00:33:19,480 If there's anything there at all, I'm not going to 628 00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:21,680 pray to that. And I'm not going to say that's okay. 629 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,920 But I don't have to say anything in a world 630 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,880 that chooses to be secular. If I'm in Islam country, 631 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,720 you know, Pakistan, whatever, Hey, I'm not going to worship 632 00:33:32,759 --> 00:33:34,599 your God. I'm not going to bow down. 633 00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:36,279 Speaker 1: Even if it means you take my life. 634 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,319 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go worship mine. Now you say I can't 635 00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:40,799 worship mine. I may not go to a church building 636 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,559 on Sunday, but I'm going to do it in my house. 637 00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:45,799 You may make that illegal, but I'm going to do 638 00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:47,839 it in secret in my house with as many believers 639 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:49,559 as I can get together. And Christians do that all 640 00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:52,640 around the world and at the risk of their lives, 641 00:33:53,079 --> 00:33:56,920 and there's persecution coming here. We're putting people in prison 642 00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:01,079 for praying inside abortion clinics. We're tracking them down. 643 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,799 Speaker 1: That's here. Now, let's pretend. Let's not pretend otherwise. I 644 00:34:04,839 --> 00:34:08,519 wanted you to relay to the podcast family this story. 645 00:34:08,559 --> 00:34:11,719 You told that you did it during a sermon. It's 646 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,880 non biblical, but I think it's a great illustration of 647 00:34:15,079 --> 00:34:18,559 the sacrifice that the Lord made for us through the 648 00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:21,000 Lord Jesus, and I'd like it if you tell that. 649 00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:23,760 In just a second, I can tell you something that 650 00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:27,360 I sacrificed some money in some time to go down 651 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,760 to Mexico. And there's a trade off on all things. 652 00:34:31,559 --> 00:34:33,280 I'm not here to tell you that renew that healthcare 653 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,760 suddenly takes. You know, can take all insurance. Often they can't. 654 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,440 They made a trade to be located in Mexico so 655 00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:47,159 they can practice actual health care, not medicine healthcare. They 656 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:51,079 use a miraculous creation of God, which is the stem cell, 657 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,280 and in their case it is from umbilical cords and placentas. 658 00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,519 Only in this country that stuff has burned as medical waste. 659 00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,760 The cells in that are so utterly miraculous in that 660 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,239 they are building block cells their potential power. And in 661 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,280 the case of renew they pay for the complete child 662 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,960 birth of these women. They track the health of the 663 00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:17,719 women and the children, they select only the healthiest stem cells. 664 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,719 Then they actually culture those stem cells. So in the 665 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:23,920 case of my shoulder, I had forty five million of 666 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,599 them put it on my shoulder. My recovery was monumentally faster, 667 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,840 better than my last shoulder surgery, and they just had 668 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,840 my ankle done. But that's minor comparison to a woman 669 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:37,119 who was hemispherically paralyzed. She walked out of there. People 670 00:35:37,159 --> 00:35:40,760 who've had massive low back problems lawer lumbar which can 671 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,760 get all the way up and affect your hands and 672 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,400 cause neuropathy, they can treat that. Here's what they'll do. 673 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,679 They'll tell you if they can help you, they will 674 00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:51,000 put the very best stem cells in your body, millions 675 00:35:51,039 --> 00:35:54,599 and millions and millions at a time, and they'll tell 676 00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:58,519 you if they cannot help you, they'll be honest about that. 677 00:35:58,599 --> 00:36:01,360 I wanted to hear with my life shoulder. Oh sure, yeah, 678 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:02,719 we can help you. They said, no, you're too far 679 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,360 gone my right shoulder. They said, you know what, You're 680 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,599 going to still have to have the operation, but we 681 00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:11,559 can help your recovery. And they did go to renew 682 00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:14,639 dot Healthcare. It's r E n U E. There's a 683 00:36:14,679 --> 00:36:17,519 link in the show notes as well, renewed dot Healthcare. 684 00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:19,519 Tell them you heard it about in the program. You're 685 00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:21,199 part of the podcast family. They'll tell if they can 686 00:36:21,199 --> 00:36:23,280 help you or not. Jim Pupmin's with me. There's a 687 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,039 link to Jim's books in the show notes as well. 688 00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:28,679 And you told the story. It's a fictional story of 689 00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,400 a king. And this hit me. Man. This is one 690 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,360 of the times in your sermons where I got a 691 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,400 bunch of dust in my eyes and I was just 692 00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:37,480 really I didn't want to let you know that, but 693 00:36:37,559 --> 00:36:40,760 I actually wept a little bit this story. So will 694 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,440 you tell that? Yeah? I will. Can I say one 695 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,000 more thing about your your my workout right now? 696 00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:47,519 Speaker 2: No? No? 697 00:36:47,519 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: No? Your the convention? Yeah, the Artsy Convention. Sure, yeah, 698 00:36:51,039 --> 00:36:51,480 let me say this. 699 00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 3: I can be there with a bunch of people that 700 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,679 I share the values with, even though I don't share 701 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:58,679 God with. 702 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,280 Speaker 1: Sure, So I have no. 703 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 3: Problem creating a platform of Mormons who also typically believe 704 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:07,480 abortion is sin. 705 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,119 Speaker 1: I can do all that. It's when you try to 706 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,880 force me to say we're the same thing. I can't 707 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:16,199 do that. 708 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:18,679 Speaker 3: So I can be at a big platform with people 709 00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:22,599 who share my values, even though we don't have Jesus 710 00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:26,639 as a lord. When you start trying to blend too 711 00:37:26,679 --> 00:37:29,559 much together, now you actually separate what I can be 712 00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:30,119 involved in. 713 00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:32,639 Speaker 1: What I can't. Right, like, I call him meet Kaydyllon, 714 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:34,800 the woman who gave the prayer to the seat God. 715 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,239 I constantly when I say her name, say the patriot 716 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,079 he meet kay Dillon. Yeah, I believe she's a patriot. Right, 717 00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:44,679 it's to me self evident that she loves this country. Right, 718 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,119 she is spending time and treasure and energy and putting 719 00:37:48,119 --> 00:37:51,079 yourself at significant legal risk because look what they'll do 720 00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:54,440 to people like her. So I can say she's a patriot. 721 00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:56,920 I would join her trying to reform the R and C. 722 00:37:57,199 --> 00:37:59,559 I know that thing is a big money grabbing SCAMMI 723 00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:01,760 used to work there a joiner in that but I 724 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:03,639 would have to say to her, no, I can't do that. 725 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,039 Speaker 3: So the lack of wisdom by Trump and the rest 726 00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:09,199 of these years, either Trump's unsaved or he is a 727 00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:13,639 brand new believer who doesn't understand no, I can't do 728 00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:14,239 certain things. 729 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: He's not been discipled. You see what I'm saying. Yeah, 730 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,719 I saw something unlocking President Trump. I hope so No, 731 00:38:22,039 --> 00:38:27,039 after the shooting, I saw the first sign of real 732 00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:31,079 humility from him. And God has done Now this is me, 733 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,559 doesn't need to be you, but God has done miraculous 734 00:38:34,599 --> 00:38:36,719 work through President Trump on a lot of things. Yeah. 735 00:38:37,079 --> 00:38:38,960 I mean he has used President Trump. That's I mean, 736 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,559 like he can use anybody, He's used President Trump in 737 00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:44,960 miraculous ways. I think the biggest one is tearing the 738 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:48,920 curtain of our temple. Our temple has been Washington, DC. 739 00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:51,199 And I think God has used President Trump for a 740 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,440 lot of people to go, oh wait, they lied about COVID, 741 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,519 and they're lying about this FBI investigation, and they lied 742 00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:58,119 about what's going on to the schools, and they're lying 743 00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:00,559 about our debts, and they lied about Joe Biden not 744 00:39:00,639 --> 00:39:03,840 being demented. And I think God is saying, hey, remember 745 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,199 when like Samuel warns you, here's what you're king, like, 746 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,480 I am the only king that really cares about you 747 00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,519 and is not going to give him his corruption. You 748 00:39:11,559 --> 00:39:14,800 can have me or them. So but yeah, I saw 749 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,760 President Trump speak with humility. I saw him actually make 750 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,840 fun of his hair dew the other day, self effacing humor. 751 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:23,880 I saw him say I'm not supposed to be alive. 752 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,719 And I firmly believe, Jim, I'm praying hard for that, 753 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,360 for that humility. That's been the piece to me, that 754 00:39:30,119 --> 00:39:33,400 that I've prayed for with President Trump, because I believe 755 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,239 if he if he gets the Holy Spirit's humility, man 756 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:40,079 the way God could use him, like when Ike Kanye 757 00:39:40,159 --> 00:39:42,920 West supposedly gave his life to Lord and was discipled. 758 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 3: What happens is is we jump on the bandwagon too quick. 759 00:39:46,039 --> 00:39:48,360 Because the Bible talks about the sower and the seed. 760 00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:52,079 He threw seed on the ground hard ground. Birds came 761 00:39:52,119 --> 00:39:54,920 and ate it up. The devil did on rocky soil. 762 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:59,199 Speaker 1: It grew up, but when the sun came out, it died. Right. 763 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,119 It's some on the weedi ground. 764 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,199 Speaker 3: So I wait to see what happens, and I struggle 765 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:08,079 to ever put a brand new believer in the role 766 00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,440 of the limelight, because they don't have a lot of 767 00:40:11,519 --> 00:40:14,639 root left. Unless somebody comes around them and they allow that, 768 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,920 they're going to be sucked into all kinds of improper ideas. 769 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:22,519 A brand new believer has so little understanding of how 770 00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:25,039 they're supposed to live. There's a lack of wisdom in 771 00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:28,159 their life. They need wiser people around them to help them. 772 00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:32,000 And then so it doesn't surprise me that they're trying 773 00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:36,519 to do something down there that might be politically valuable, 774 00:40:36,599 --> 00:40:37,039 to have. 775 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: A big tent so they can get votes. But spiritually speaking, 776 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:48,119 if you compromise the truth to say everybody saved, that's improper, 777 00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:50,559 which means that if you say that, you're either not 778 00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:53,880 a Christian or you're a baby Christian who doesn't know 779 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,320 what in the world you're talking about yet, or you're 780 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,320 doing the thing you talk about a lot, which is, hey, look, 781 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,679 Jim Church, but we got an election to win over yeah, 782 00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:05,280 which is immature. Right, there's no asterisk when God said 783 00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:08,840 worship no gods but me. Well, unless you know it's 784 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,960 a big election, right, So what I always say is 785 00:41:12,159 --> 00:41:14,199 just don't try to mix those things up. 786 00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 3: Leave it a political campaign. Right, These are our values, right. 787 00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:24,199 Don't try to make us agree on things we don't 788 00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,239 have to agree on to win the election. When you 789 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,039 try to blend it all together, you're causing some you know, 790 00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:33,760 you're given a message it just isn't true. 791 00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:37,800 Speaker 1: Yep, yep, I agree. I don't mean to force you 792 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,800 to tell a story. Oh I'll tell it. Okay, we 793 00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:41,840 tell yeah, and I feel like a little boy, Tim 794 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:46,000 tell me a story. Oh. Now there's a story. And 795 00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:49,000 again some people try to tie it to some actual events, 796 00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:56,199 but it's a it's a basically a story to explain Jesus. Okay. 797 00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:01,280 Speaker 3: So there was a king who had a country that 798 00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,000 was becoming very immortal, and with this, all kinds of 799 00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:12,960 things were happening, you know, adultery, fornication, sex was elevated, 800 00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:15,639 and all the terrible things that come with it of 801 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,840 unwanted pregnancies, h you know, husbands finding their wives and 802 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,880 killing you know, it was just all kinds of health 803 00:42:27,039 --> 00:42:30,599 issues you knew, And so the king made a decree. 804 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,159 Anyone caught in sex outside of marriage the price was 805 00:42:34,159 --> 00:42:37,199 two eyes gonna burn your eyes out. So you know, 806 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,639 everybody you know. 807 00:42:40,639 --> 00:42:43,039 Speaker 1: Either hides it or just goes whoa okay. 808 00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:48,079 Speaker 3: So the king would come into court about once a week, 809 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:51,559 and it's about two weeks into this decree and he's 810 00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:52,119 in court. 811 00:42:52,159 --> 00:42:54,480 Speaker 1: There's long haul, you know. 812 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 3: There's people that are there that are going to be 813 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,559 judged for that day, decisions are going to be made, 814 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,679 and in between two yards, clear down the way, uh 815 00:43:03,079 --> 00:43:08,159 comes his son and his son's walking in proudly between 816 00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:10,280 two guards. So he's not quite sure what's going on. 817 00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:14,760 His son doesn't show any sort of regret or you know, 818 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,000 shame or anything, so he's like, huh, I wonder this 819 00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:19,559 is weird. They bring him up, they stand him before 820 00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:23,719 the throne and the crier, they hand the charges. The 821 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:29,519 crier declares adultery, and so he hears it and he 822 00:43:29,519 --> 00:43:31,760 looks at his son, and his son just kind of 823 00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,559 has this you know, whatever smirk, sort of a you know, 824 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:38,000 reads it, you know, and it's like nothing's going to happen. 825 00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:40,599 And his father looks at his son and looks at 826 00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:45,760 the people, and and he's so upset that he he 827 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,199 adjourns court and he says take him, take him to jail. 828 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,760 And his son is not happy about that. You know, 829 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,159 he's kind of swearing, look at. 830 00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:55,639 Speaker 1: What do you do? And dad? And but so the 831 00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,519 king goes into it, you know, back in the back 832 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,039 palace and and and he's like what am His wife 833 00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,159 comes and like, hey, you're not you're not Why is 834 00:44:07,199 --> 00:44:09,440 he in jail? Well, adultery? 835 00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:13,920 Speaker 3: And and you're not gonna, I mean, you're not gonna 836 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,519 do that. So the king doesn't know what to do. 837 00:44:15,639 --> 00:44:19,480 He brings in his advisors, and his advisors are One 838 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,119 of his advisors says, hey, you know this is your son. 839 00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:24,920 You don't have to do that. And one of his 840 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,880 other advisers said, wait a minute, there's a lot more 841 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:29,079 at stake than that. You've you've burned out the eyes 842 00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:32,000 of other people. You've done this, you've made this law 843 00:44:32,639 --> 00:44:35,320 if you if you don't do this, you're going to 844 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,800 lose respect with the whole king kingdom. And his wife's like, 845 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,679 you can't do that. So he just he goes into 846 00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:44,079 hiding for a few days, you know, he just thinking 847 00:44:44,119 --> 00:44:47,199 and probably just he doesn't need he doesn't sleep. Finally, 848 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,119 he calls court back into session. And when he calls 849 00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:51,119 court back into session, everybody's heard about this. 850 00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:53,400 Speaker 1: So the kingdom is just lined out the doors, the 851 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,039 courtroom is full and. 852 00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,039 Speaker 3: They bring his son in, who now looks like he 853 00:44:57,079 --> 00:45:00,519 hasn't showered and he's thoroughly irritated, up to the front 854 00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:05,559 and they read the charges again and his son just 855 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,519 is frustrated and smirking and looking at his dad. And 856 00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:11,760 his dad looks at his son in the eyes and 857 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,880 says what he said to others who have been charged 858 00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,880 with this, He said, put him down. So they force 859 00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,079 him to his knees. And as soon as he had 860 00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:23,960 you that, his son's like, Dad, what are you doing? 861 00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:25,920 Speaker 1: What are you doing? 862 00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:29,840 Speaker 3: And he and he says to the guards. The guards 863 00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:32,880 are there, and he says, do it. And so the 864 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,599 guards are like, they put the poker in the fire, 865 00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,719 you know, and it starts heating up, and the whole 866 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,239 time the sun goes from anger to name calling to 867 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,679 now he's crying and weeping, right, don't dad it? I'm 868 00:45:43,679 --> 00:45:47,920 so sorry. And so they guards he's like, do it. 869 00:45:48,159 --> 00:45:50,960 So they take the poker and they go and they're 870 00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:53,519 doing it slow, watching the dad, you know, as he said, joke, 871 00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:54,280 because he's not going. 872 00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:54,480 Speaker 2: To do it. 873 00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:59,320 Speaker 3: Finally, into the son's left eye, the poker goes the 874 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:04,079 sun screw. You know, the mother is weeping. You know, 875 00:46:04,199 --> 00:46:08,599 the crowd is like, oh, my goodness, right, And so 876 00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:10,719 they pulled the poker out, getting ready to put it 877 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:16,400 into the son's right eye, and just before they put 878 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,920 it into his son's right eye, the king says, halt, 879 00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:22,360 and so they stop, and so he gets down off 880 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,360 the throne, kneels down next to his son, and he says, 881 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:26,320 you'll take my right eye. 882 00:46:27,199 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 1: And so they burnt the king's right eye out. Yeah. 883 00:46:31,559 --> 00:46:33,599 And so at the end of all this, what is 884 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:39,199 the king saying to his son The law is the law, 885 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,800 we live by it, and I love you so much, 886 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,519 and I love the people so much. The law had 887 00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:48,960 to be upheld and I had to hurt too. 888 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:49,519 Speaker 2: Yep. 889 00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:52,519 Speaker 1: So he basically saying, this is how much I hate sin. 890 00:46:52,679 --> 00:46:55,119 This is the cost of sin, but this is how 891 00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:58,280 much I love you, and I'm willing to pay that 892 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:03,880 price to complete And so in Christ Jesus on the Cross, 893 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,280 it's a two sided message. On the one side, when 894 00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,400 God said if you sin, you will die, and the 895 00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:16,039 cost of sin is death, it's a message to everybody. 896 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,760 If I will put my son on the cross for 897 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:24,679 your sin, I will put you in hell, because that's 898 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,039 what it's worth. Sin unrighteousness. 899 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 3: That's the value of it and from God's perspective. But 900 00:47:31,039 --> 00:47:33,440 this is also how much I love you. I am 901 00:47:33,559 --> 00:47:36,039 willing to go on the cross. I'm willing to send 902 00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:38,840 my son on the cross to pay that. So you 903 00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:41,840 choose Jesus pays it or you pay it. But that's 904 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,559 the cost God wants. He knows we've sinned. He wants 905 00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:48,559 to love us. He wants us to let him. 906 00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:51,800 Speaker 1: Love us, so he gave us a gospel of choice. 907 00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:56,039 Relationship requires choice. You get to choose how you relate 908 00:47:56,119 --> 00:48:01,199 to God through Christ Jesus or because of your sin 909 00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:04,320 through judgment. Yeah, well said, I'd love that you shared 910 00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,480 that again. There's a link to Jim's books in the 911 00:48:06,559 --> 00:48:09,760 show notes Real life ministries post fall as Idaho A 912 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,280 senior pastor. Much for the honor. Just to say, friend, 913 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,360 thank you for coming on. Always a pleasure. Lord, thank 914 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:17,880 you for your word, thank you for who you are, 915 00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,320 thank you for this day, and thank you for allowing 916 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:22,039 us to continue to be mazed at who you are. 917 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:24,960 This is the Todd Hermit Show. Please go, be well, 918 00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,599 be strong, be kind, and please make every effort to 919 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,360 walk in the light of Christ.