Speaker 1: Oh it's showtime.
Speaker 2: People say good money to see this movie.
Speaker 3: When they go out to a theater, they are cold sodas,
Speaker 3: hot popcorn, and no monsters.
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Speaker 1: There's only one way out of this thing where you're
Speaker 1: still breathing.
Speaker 2: Hey, folks, welcome to a special episode of The Projection Booth.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Mike White. On this episode, I am
Speaker 2: proud to say that I spoke with Dash Mike Cock.
Speaker 2: I've been wanting to speak with him for years. If
Speaker 2: you don't know the name, you definitely know the face.
Speaker 2: You've seen him around in quite a few things, including
Speaker 2: the new film Armor. It also starred Sylvester Stallone and
Speaker 2: Jason Patrick. It'll be out in theaters and on digital
Speaker 2: and on demand November twenty second, twenty twenty four. Had
Speaker 2: a great time talking with mister Mihawk. I hope you
Speaker 2: have a great time in listening to the interview. Enjoy.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about Armor, but I'd love
Speaker 2: to know a little bit more about you. How did
Speaker 2: you get your starting acting?
Speaker 6: I grew up in New York and my parents were
Speaker 6: actually theater actors. They met each other when earlier television
Speaker 6: was being produced and the starving actors would actually work
Speaker 6: together to teach early television camera operators at RCA how
Speaker 6: to shoot television, and they would hire actors to do scenes.
Speaker 6: And that's how my mother and father met. But because
Speaker 6: of that, they never wanted me to be an actor.
Speaker 6: I never thought I would be. I wanted to be
Speaker 6: a scientist, a biochemist. I went to bron Science and
Speaker 6: I wanted to That's what I really wanted to do.
Speaker 6: I never thought about it, but it crept up on
Speaker 6: me and I had always done things on the side.
Speaker 6: Was fortunately introduced to an agent instead of having a
Speaker 6: knock on somebody's door, and I probably booked, I don't know,
Speaker 6: my first Law and Order or something like that everybody
Speaker 6: does in New York and I went, well, I could
Speaker 6: do this, and they were like, yeah, you guys were
Speaker 6: in theater. So that really from there on. I don't
Speaker 6: really have any formal training. I didn't go to school
Speaker 6: for it, but I just kept working and learning by
Speaker 6: experience with being around it. So that's the truth now.
Speaker 2: I know if you've played a lot of roles over
Speaker 2: the years, a lot of different types of characters, but
Speaker 2: for me, it's that menace with a little bit of
Speaker 2: comedy that I always appreciate. So things like I'm punish
Speaker 2: your war zone or a kiss kiss bang bang, It's
Speaker 2: just like, oh, I love when this guy shows up.
Speaker 6: Thank you. Yeah, I'd like to think that I've run
Speaker 6: the gamut. I've done a couple of rom coms too
Speaker 6: that nobody's seen. I'm kidding, but I have. But I
Speaker 6: just like to play everything. I think it adds to it.
Speaker 6: And yeah, if there isn't humor within a villain, I
Speaker 6: don't unders then I think it's boring.
Speaker 2: Well, I really liked you in Sex and Death one
Speaker 2: on one.
Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, Mike, you're pulling out them gems. Wow. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 6: I love that you saw that movie. That was fun.
Speaker 6: Thank you. As many colors as you can bring. I'm
Speaker 6: still learning, and it's this kind of thing is I
Speaker 6: appreciate very much because it reminds me that this is
Speaker 6: why I've been doing it for so long. And I
Speaker 6: have to sometimes come back to oh okay because actually
Speaker 6: people saw it and they liked it, and not that
Speaker 6: I'm an actor and human so we all need validation.
Speaker 6: But it doesn't happen all the time as we close
Speaker 6: off our bubble. So thank you.
Speaker 2: I wasn't working with Sylvester Stallone and Armor.
Speaker 6: That's the question that everybody's gonna ask me, you want
Speaker 6: to work with Sly? It was really I've been telling
Speaker 6: people like, first off, he really responded to the things
Speaker 6: that I was doing, and he's a legend, and I
Speaker 6: believed his brain. What I love the most is that
Speaker 6: we both were sitting there like trying not to overdirect
Speaker 6: the movie together because he definitely has that brain and
Speaker 6: I definitely have that brain. So in that sense it
Speaker 6: clicked really well of how do we get things done
Speaker 6: in a short period of time. So that was really
Speaker 6: nice and now we both know how it would cut.
Speaker 6: And he was just kind and a gentleman. He would
Speaker 6: give me a note and he would take a note
Speaker 6: if I gave it, and I felt comfortable in doing so.
Speaker 6: He wasn't unopened, and this is the way it has
Speaker 6: to be. And coming from somebody who's done when he's done,
Speaker 6: obviously that was fun.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I know he's got very much an actor's brain, but
Speaker 2: very much like you said, that writer's brain, that director's brain. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so it must have been nice to be able
Speaker 2: to go back and forth with him, because you're no
Speaker 2: slouch either when it comes to directing and especially being
Speaker 2: able to do what you do as well as even
Speaker 2: being a musician. That's got to add a lot of
Speaker 2: shading as well.
Speaker 6: Is that a segue to me being a musician?
Speaker 2: If you want it to be, it can be.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it because people don't normally ask about that.
Speaker 6: I enjoy all forms of expression, and the older I get,
Speaker 6: the more interested and also freed up, but not in
Speaker 6: a way because you don't. It has to be a
Speaker 6: certain way to some people, and you don't want to
Speaker 6: be like actors and musicians or people like, oh do
Speaker 6: I want to do that? But the older I get,
Speaker 6: the more I'm like, that's who you are and that's
Speaker 6: how you grew up, and that's okay. I'm not trying
Speaker 6: to be something i'm not. And if I make alternative
Speaker 6: orchestral hip hop, then that's fine. And my two children
Speaker 6: play piano and violin and we do. That's just it is.
Speaker 6: So I'm happy for that. I'm happy to express ourselves
Speaker 6: in any way we feel. But the hardest part is
Speaker 6: just continuing to be comfortable in your own skin, obviously,
Speaker 6: and it comes with age more so you also have
Speaker 6: to navigate things in a certain way. But with regards
Speaker 6: to Sly, we both could see the writing and we
Speaker 6: can go, Okay, that's not gonna work. That work. Why
Speaker 6: don't we try this line here? Well, it's like shorthand
Speaker 6: we're gonna have to shoot this. You weren't here for this,
Speaker 6: I wasn't we're going to pop this off here? And
Speaker 6: it was like it was effortless, and it made me
Speaker 6: appreciate and also look back that because in my mind,
Speaker 6: I feel like I'm twenty five and I haven't been
Speaker 6: doing this for thirty years, but I have, and our
Speaker 6: technical aptitude is such that it is, and we can
Speaker 6: make things go faster and also take care of our
Speaker 6: fellow actors and our crew at the same time and
Speaker 6: make your day. And so that was fun to be
Speaker 6: with someone who's done it way more than I have
Speaker 6: and been on a lot bigger sets. But it was
Speaker 6: like he trusted me, and we trusted each other, and
Speaker 6: that's what it comes down to.
Speaker 5: Always.
Speaker 2: This might be a stupid question, but what was the
Speaker 2: weather like when you were out there? Because it feels
Speaker 2: like you're probably on that bridge for a long damn time.
Speaker 6: My friend, It's not a stupid question. You can see
Speaker 6: and you can see that he had his own makeup artists,
Speaker 6: and that goes without saying, because I was like, it
Speaker 6: was one hundred degrees and humid in Louisiana's last Mississippi,
Speaker 6: and I was wearing a lot more gear. I was
Speaker 6: telling somebody yesterday. I think I was like, I kept
Speaker 6: trying to bust his ball that he wasn't wearing a
Speaker 6: flat jacket because he doesn't have to big and I
Speaker 6: wish that I had. That's what I can aspire to
Speaker 6: in the future. Right, I'm not wearing an extra two
Speaker 6: layer because it was hot. Everybody, Yeah, everybody was about
Speaker 6: hydration these days, but that was very much a part
Speaker 6: of it. It was brutal. Thank god, Jason and Josh
Speaker 6: got to shoot most of their stuff in a build
Speaker 6: in the studio. But that's what it is. I've done
Speaker 6: it before. I used to run up hills in the
Speaker 6: thin Red Line when I was twenty six, chasing cranes
Speaker 6: for twe hundred and nineteen days. So this one was
Speaker 6: not other than my age. Now it's not that difficult.
Speaker 2: I know. We just have a few minutes left, but
Speaker 2: could you tell me a little bit about some of
Speaker 2: the work that you do for Tourett's and the charity work.
Speaker 6: I have towards the Jim Touretts doesn't have me as
Speaker 6: what they like to say it's a cliche, but I
Speaker 6: had take since I was six. Well, they've subsided to
Speaker 6: an extent after I was like eighteen, but they were
Speaker 6: really bad when I was a kid, and I think
Speaker 6: that kind of need to why I became an actor
Speaker 6: looking back now, just in terms of always watching everybody
Speaker 6: who I think was watching me or not. But then
Speaker 6: the character study was subconscious, like somebody's looking at me
Speaker 6: because I'm doing this and what are they thinking?
Speaker 5: And whatever?
Speaker 6: And I think ultimately because I wasn't destined to be
Speaker 6: an actor, but that was the underneath. Yeah, I've been
Speaker 6: working with the THAA now Direct Association of America. It
Speaker 6: was the TSA since I was eleven. I did like
Speaker 6: a VHS video for them back when. And I just again,
Speaker 6: I feel like people are a misdiagnosed and people who
Speaker 6: don't have it are misdiagnosed. If I could say it
Speaker 6: like that, because you have to. It's a hard one
Speaker 6: for people to understand. It doesn't make sense and it
Speaker 6: doesn't click itch to scratch that we have You'll never
Speaker 6: understand it fully and and but I want people to
Speaker 6: get as close as they can to to what it
Speaker 6: it feels like in their skin. And if I can
Speaker 6: help that in any way, I always will because I
Speaker 6: believe that you know, would acceptance and surrender to certain things. Yeah,
Speaker 6: the world will be a better place.
Speaker 2: Is there a good place for people to keep up
Speaker 2: with you online?
Speaker 6: I'm not a huge social media I'm a fairweather person,
Speaker 6: but you can go to dashmihowk dot net and isn't
Speaker 6: the fan my bandesfa dot com But I don't also
Speaker 6: and since I have threats, I have OCD and it's
Speaker 6: creating a post takes me like an hour because I
Speaker 6: want it to be perfect and it's really hard. I
Speaker 6: have two young kids and when I'm doing that, I'm like,
Speaker 6: I could be spending more time with my children. But yes,
Speaker 6: obviously because of this, I'll be more prominent. But is
Speaker 6: my hawk is normally where you can find mek.
Speaker 2: Mister my Hawk. Thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2: This is great time.
Speaker 6: Did he ask you a quick question? Yeah, because I
Speaker 6: worked with Mike White, the other one a long time ago,
Speaker 6: and now I'm glad that he's working. How many people
Speaker 6: ask you about that? And is it annoying?
Speaker 2: Not very many, And no, it's never annoying. I think
Speaker 2: it's actually opened up a couple of doors. It was
Speaker 2: I got an interview with oh, got Brenda Vaccaro once
Speaker 2: and she thought I was the other Mike White. And
Speaker 2: then there was a director who I won't name, who
Speaker 2: is just like you know how it is, and he
Speaker 2: just kept saying, you know how it is? Like it
Speaker 2: was before we were on zoo or not.
Speaker 6: He had never met.
Speaker 2: No picture, no picture, yees yeah. And then he was like,
Speaker 2: where you located these days? I'm like Detroit, and it's
Speaker 2: like Detroit, that's so odd.
Speaker 6: I was like, yeah, Mike's a great guy. You wrote
Speaker 6: a pilot for me with Judd Apatow thirty years ago
Speaker 6: or something and it didn't go sadly, but I'm glad
Speaker 6: that everybody's doing well, and I'm glad to talk to you,
Speaker 6: and I would love to do it again.
Speaker 2: I would love that too. Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: Too.
Speaker 6: Shots.
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