Speaker 1: The more radical people become in these positions or in
these attitudes, then you get justification for the reactions.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of a problem reaction solution situation to
where the more people begin to, you know, think that, oh, well,
if I'm going to criticize Israel or not Y'ah here
or whatever, and then I get called anti Semitic, then
I guess I'll just be in seymnical. I guess I'll
like Hitler now, right, So it just sort of pushes
people into these extremes, and then that extreme can be
exploited and can be capitalized upon. And ironically, the more
people adopt the Hilarian perspective, the more people in Israel
will then feel justified in their counter reaction to that.
So it's a problem reaction dialectic that necessitates one another.
And you know, it's the same when people ask and
try to get me arguing about the issue between Oh,
it's so, who do you like Palestinians and Hamas or
do you like you know, Zionism and Yahoo? And I'm like, well,
you don't think I can from a real, sincere nuanced
position criticize both of these positions and say that I'm
not really into either one, and I would have a
long time ago, maybe ten years ago, probably been more
on the side of the the Hamas side of things,
not because I am pro hamasra but I was ignorant
of Islam, and it took me the last seven years
of debating a lot of the top Muslims and studying
Islam pretty in depth. Right now on my channel, we're
lecturing through an FBI consultant's book.
Speaker 2: On al Qaeda.
Speaker 1: And you know, and I'm not saying I don't believe
the nine to eleven, you know, conspiracy narrative.
Speaker 2: I do. I think it was a conspiracy.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't make it even if Islam and Islamic
radicals who happen to be CIA proxy soldiers like Kai,
even if they're the ones that are sort of the
front group and they're Muslims, like, that doesn't make Islam
good a my, you know what I mean. So it's like,
if I'm an Orthodox Trician, I have a long pedigree
of opposing both Rabbinic Judaism and Islam.
Speaker 2: They're both wrong.
Speaker 1: But these dialectics entrap so many people, and unfortunately there's
just no way to talk about this topic without being nuanced.
But most people don't want to be nuanced, and most
people in the power structure in these different systems want
people to be radicalized and not nuanced, and a lot
of these people don't even care that you're going to
be nuanced.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy to welcome my guest, Jay Dyer.
Speaker 4: He is an author, comedian, TV presenter known for his
deep analysis of Hollywood, geopolitics, and culture. His graduate work
folks on Psychological Warfare and Film, and he's the author
of two books, Esoteric Hollywood one and two, and the
co creator and co host of the television show Hollywood Decoded.
He's been featured on numerous popular shows and podcasts, and
in debates the World's Top Debaters. You can follow him
at Jay Dyer, on YouTube, Jay'sanalysis, dot com, and on
This might be an auded date bio because are you
working on a third I think you're working on a
third Esoteric hollywoods that come out yet, Jay.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the chew, sir Ah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's ship's actually in a few days. I'm glad
you mentioned that. Yeah, that will be my third Hollywood book,
completing the trilogy. And then I have a couple of
philosophy books, so technically five books, but yeah, that's the
final of the trilogy.
Speaker 4: I was going to say, it's is it easier or
harder for you? Because and I love the first two
esoteric Hollywood books. I'm looking forward to the third. But
you know, when you wrote the first two, they it
seemed like they still tried to conceal it. It seemed like,
you know, you had to find things in little symbols
and this is what this means, and this is now
you got Lady Gaga dressed up like Satan with a
bunch of like naked women writhing in pain underneath it.
And it's like, do we even need to analyze this anymore?
Can we just point at it and go, look, guys,
look at what they're doing. I mean, is it easier
or harder for you? With how sort of upfront they
are about their evil?
Speaker 1: Now it seems like there was a real pivot moment
when Bruce Gender was Woman of the Year. It seems
like after that, in around twenty sixteen or whatever it was,
things got way more overt openly satanic. If you remember,
little nas X had his satanic shoes, his devil shoes
sort of marketing Gemmick. Yeah, a lot of its marketing
gimmicks for sure, but also there is this you know
layer to which I think some of these people are
serious about their ritual magic and their occultism. So I
would say you're right, like most of most of them,
and most movies that come out are just not really
any good anymore. It's really hard you have to search
for I spent more time like looking for a decent
movie and watching trailers and trying to find old movies
that I do actually watching movies.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think you're right.
Speaker 4: Heres well, and how has that affected the way that
the bad guy approach things? Because obviously Hollywood was an
incredibly powerful tool for shaping minds. Now Hollywood's not nearly
as powerful as it once was. Nobody really cares about
what they're doing, and it's amazing when you go back
and watch things from the pre Trump era, I always
forget what a big deal celebrity was back then.
Speaker 3: It's sort of fallen off back then.
Speaker 4: I mean, you could listen to a radio show and
the only thing they'd be talking about was Tom Cruise
and his daughter, and it was all celebrity gossip. That's
sort of fallen by the wayside. Are they less powerful
now or are they changing the way they're doing things?
Speaker 1: Yeah, social media, for good and for ill, has had
a huge impact on that whole domain. It's sort of
replaced the old ideas of the celebrities, and so now
celebrities actually kind of try to also be social media people,
and they've begun sort of putting social media people.
Speaker 2: Into movies action the last year.
Speaker 1: So your role is sometimes dependent upon the degree to
which you have a following, but a lot of that
can be you know, fake and be created. We know
that people buy bots all the time, so both things
are happening.
Speaker 2: Hollywood's dying. It doesn't have the power that it had.
Speaker 1: It served its purpose though, because it was there too
well to do many things, but to control the population
through giving us new mythologies and new stories, new narratives
to guide our lives by kind of a replacement for
Biblical Christianity and the purpose that it served in Western civilization.
But also now you know, video games are taken over
and the brain blast through brain rot of TikTok, it's
pretty much taken his place and serves us purpose. So
you talk to young people, they don't know what movies
are or music art, but they can tell you don't.
Speaker 4: Even know what planet they're on half the time. Short
short break. We'll be right back with Jay DIYer. Don't
go anywhere, all right, Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Jayder
is my guest. You can find his website Jay'sanalysis dot com,
and he's on YouTube at Jay Dyer. And you're on
x as well. I know what's your what's your account?
How do people find you there?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Pretty much Jay Dyer everywhere.
Speaker 1: I think on Instagram, I'm Jay's Analysis, but you can
still find me pretty easily.
Speaker 2: So yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the the Hollywood mass mind control
complex served its purpose, and it's kind of it's kind
of shedding its skin and sort of morphing into something new.
Speaker 2: And I think video games are taken over.
Speaker 1: You know, the younger you go, the less kids care
about movies, and they don't have the attention span to
sit through even you know, a one and a half
hour movie, much less of two hour movies. So I
think video games have done their job, and TikTok has
done this job to sort of destroy attention spans. I
was listening to some research that some teachers were citing,
and they were talking about how bad it is in
their grade school and even high school classes that no
one can read.
Speaker 2: They don't know anything.
Speaker 1: They have the attention span of I think eight seconds
is the max or the average. So I mean we
we're raising up a zombie generation that will just be
a mindless horde of orcs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, nothing blows my mind more than the
man on the street. Interviews will go around like usually
it's like a you know, New York Times Square or something,
and people don't know I mean, they don't know how
much a quarter is worth. They don't know that Utah
is a state. They don't know how many moons we have.
It's like, I I worry. I worry quite a bit.
And it almost seems like Hollywood sort of destroyed itself, right,
because they've spent so long undermining the things that humans
connect to that they can't even make good stories anymore.
They've destroyed the concept of a hero. So it's like
nobody wants to watch a movie about a girl boss
who has every you know, has everything she needs and
everybody else just needs to get out of her way.
Speaker 3: It's like, no, we want the struggle.
Speaker 4: We want, you know, to see people fall and then
rise up against all odds, and Hollywood just can't seem
to make that stuff anymore. And in a way it's
a consequence of their own ideology, sort of coming to fruition,
isn't it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Frankfurt School many years ago, the cultural Marxist warriors,
put out a book about the authoritarian personality, and they
said that the real root of the authoritarian personality isn't
a political leader or a tyrant in government. It's actually
the father, the data of a family, is the archetype
and the root of all fascism. So the roots of antifa,
which you could say go all the way back to
something like the Bolsheviks, go all the way back to
the Fabian Socialists, actually had a lot of terminology and
slogans that you still see being used by social justice
warriors maoism, et cetera.
Speaker 2: That's the roots of that.
Speaker 1: And it's this weird inverted envy based system where you
have to destroy anything that is better because better could
only happen on the basis of some form of oppression.
And so in this weird inverted morality or anti morality,
I guess you could say morality. It's actually a form
of greed, a form of envy that cloaks itself as
equality and fairness, as I'm sure everybody in this audience
knows in terms of Marxism and equalitarianism, But same principle
applies for what we're talking about here where Yeah, Like
I mean, there was a study I think Alex mentioned
that where some high percentage of Gen Z and Gen
alpha are beginning to think as they come up that
capitalism has failed and so the only answer is socialism, Marxism.
Speaker 2: So Marxism making.
Speaker 1: A return, and there were British Ministry of Defense papers
that were being written, I think about eighteen years ago.
You can read the one of the Guardian where they
said they predicted that Marxism would make a comeback.
Speaker 2: So that's where we are.
Speaker 1: Destruction of the family, destruction of the archetype of the Father,
destruction of God, the Father who is the ultimate archetype
of the Father. All those things go together to create
this technocratic future that we're going into.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's it's it's something that's like I noticed it,
but I don't exactly know how to define it exactly,
because what you're talking about has really you know, crazy,
real world, real world implications. We talk a lot about
the Kindler study in Germany, and you know that's the
one where they were literally handing out children to pedophiles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you look at that and you go,
what why would they do that? Right?
Speaker 4: Okay, are there pedophiles, obviously, and they you know, there's
the the obvious reason why they'd want to but how
did they justify it? And what you learn is that
the guy who conducted the experiment, his dad was a
Nazi and his whole thing was, Okay, Nazism, Fascism descends
from sexual purity, so we got to destroy that to
you know, so we never have fascism again. So it
goes right to the heart of what you're saying that
it's like the father and sexual purity has been identified
by these people as something evil. And then the other
thing that comes to mind is that image of that
I reference all the time. I really should just have
it like taped to the desk or something, because to me,
it just goes again right to the heart of the leftist,
which is that image of the nineteen fifties happy family,
but over each person it's like, you know, the dad's
like I'm secretly gay, you know, the daughter, you know,
the wife is like I was lobotomized and have to
take all these drugs just to deal with my life.
And there's something about seeing a nice, happy family and
Americana cooking out that left to see that and they
go there has to be something evil and sick and
twisted underneath it. Nothing can be good. And I'm so
we recognize it, but I can't quite define it. I
can't quite like sink my teeth into like what is
what drives that mentality?
Speaker 1: Saint John Chrystalstom said that the family is a little church.
It's a small icon of what the church is a
bigger version of the family. So that's a fundamental concept
in the Orthodox Church that we we always go back
to because the reason that the left hates that. It's
the same idea that when people, you know, vampires see
across they shriek because anything that it's an icon or
an image or a reminder of the good, the pure,
the holy, or the archetypal referencing back to God, those
things are innately going to cause a recoil reaction from
vampires and the Left is pretty much a bunch of
orc goblin vampires that are demonically energized, and that's why.
Speaker 2: They act that way.
Speaker 1: I would add, too funny you mentioned the sexual revolution
because you just brought to mind speaking of the Frankfurt School.
One of the other characters connected to it was Wilhelm Reich.
You may know him from Oregone Fame, which is this
bizarre con artist thing that he came up with, which
is like a bunch of trash stuck together in a
piece of plastic, which somehow mystically brings good vibes. I
don't know what it's supposed to do. It's obviously some
sort of nonsense. But Wilhelm Reich is also known for
being connected to the Frankfurt School and a proponent of
sexual sexual revolution and liberation, all the pan type stuff
that we talk about, and he was very candid about
why he was such a big proponent of it. He
said that in order to get rid of the patriarchy,
you have to have the rise of feminism, the goddess
and sexual revolution, because that would be the only way
the society would disintegrate as long as there was fallocentric
or logos based masculine order. There would be boundaries. Men
set boundaries, God sets boundaries. That's the purpose of law,
and you can't have love without law and without boundaries,
and that's why all those things necessarily go together. So
to destroy the male archetype, destroy the archetype of God
the Father, results in the necessary destruction of the family
and the sexual liberation of society as a whole, end
the rise of and promotion of the Goddess. And so
Wilhelm Reich said that the New Age movement would have
to endorse and promote in the sixties countercoastal revolution as
well feminism and feminine sexual liberation in order to have
the society that we're going into. And he was absolutely correct.
I mean, he's evil, but he was open about it.
Speaker 3: Right, as so many of these people are.
Speaker 4: It seems almost like they think that if they're open
about their evil, it doesn't make it evil anymore. I'm
sure you've noticed that where the streamer Destiny comes to mind,
where he's just engaging the most disgusting stuff, but just
because he's just upfront about it, he acts like it's
like no big deal, and it's like, no, it's still
your what you're doing is still deeply immoral. You just
aren't shy about it for some reason, which is really
more of an indictment of you than anything else. Yeah,
Or you know, order versus I'm just like taking notes
as you're writing, William Reich, order versus chaos, because that's
another thing that I think that people pitch chaos as
if it's freedom. They see order and they say that's
a trap, that's oppression, you're being controlled. But in reality,
when you really think about it, I mean, to have liberty,
you have to have peace, to have piece, you have
to have order. They want to extract us from the order,
throw you into a world of chaos and say you're free,
have fun, And that's not really how it works, right,
But it's a very compelling argument they make when they say,
these rules that are being set down restricting you, you
have to break free from them.
Speaker 3: How do you make the argument for order?
Speaker 1: Well, for anything to function, there has to be some obviously,
some set of rules, some of authority, some set of
agreed upon principles. So I mean, to me, that's just
the most common sense that anyone would argue against that
as kind of like I don't even know if you
could wait Ei there's no point in wasting time even
arguing with a person that doesn't see that at But
I mean most of society unfortunately, has been brainwashed into
this position.
Speaker 2: So it's actually a very popular position.
Speaker 1: And the idea I think is that freedom necessitates all
removal of restraints, no boundaries. Right, love is love. These
phrases that we hear, these sort of slogans that people say,
and really what they mean is whatever my body desires,
whatever I want is quote love. Or they mistake it
for an emotion or a passion or you know, as
we would say, like biological desires or passions.
Speaker 2: These kinds of things.
Speaker 1: They're not inherently bad, but if they're misordered or misdirected,
then they end up being a net negative for the
individual and for society as a whole. So you can't
have a society that functions, for example, where say theft
is legal. I mean, if theft is legal, nobody can
run a business, nobody can have a home, nobody can
have private property, nobody can have you know, their family.
So very basic ideas that are obviously essential to running anything,
whether a business or a school or a home, would
have to be would be impossible in situations where there
were absolutely no boundaries. But this is really the root
of liberalism and leftism. I remember reading a famous essay
by the famous Semiititian Lumberto Eco. He wrote an essay
I think it was in the New York Times maybe,
but it was many years ago, and he's a sort
of super liberal postmodernist.
Speaker 2: But he was very honest in this article.
Speaker 1: It's called or fascism, and he says that the real
enemy that the left must always combat isn't political, it's
actually the idea of capital t truth or the idea
that there is such a thing as truth. In other words,
fascism in his mindset, is anything that says that there's
objective truth, that there's right and wrong, that there's values.
That's all fascism. And so the left is that, he says,
an eternal war against truth. So that's a lot more honest. Right,
part of the left who tries to have the moral
high ground. Whorse, they don't believe in morals anyway, So
don't let them have the moral high ground because they
don't believe in morals.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 4: And it again, it seems like this is sort of
a through line through so much of what we're talking
about the battle between subjectivism and objectivism. And of course,
as you think about that, it's obvious what that really
is is battle between man and God. Right, objective truth
is God is just how the world is, and subjective
truth is the worship of the self. What I think
and how I feel must be true. Yes, so this
really is.
Speaker 2: And it's like.
Speaker 4: I can't remember what I was talking about yesday, but
I probably went on a five minute ranch about subjective
or subjective Yes, I don't remember what it was, but
it was some political thing because it's just this through line.
Do people even realize that that's what they're doing? Like,
this is my struggle is, like how do we even
get through to people who genuinely don't care about objective truth?
It's even worth it to try to get through to them,
Like as a Christian, I have to think it is.
Speaker 3: But at a certain.
Speaker 4: Point you see some of these people and you go,
they are too lost for us to gather back into
the fold, Like we just have to destroy them. I mean,
how do we deal with the population almost willfully engaged
in this subjectivism that just completely eradicates any ability for
us to connect to one another On the basis of
anything other than our own selfish desires.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did a live stream this week on my channel,
and I'll be doing a live stream right after this.
Speaker 2: People want to come to my channel after your show
and check.
Speaker 1: Out a lot of these topics that we discuss pretty
frequently on Jadier channel on YouTube. But I was talking
about how well, you know, the scriptures often discuss characters
called sons of ballial or sometimes translated as worthless persons.
Speaker 2: Now, that's not to say that people can't.
Speaker 1: Be saved if they're evil, because of course anybody can
conceivably be saved. Even if you're Paul on the Road
to Damascus, you're a very wicked person killing Christians, you
can still convert. But the thing is that the more
that you sink into evil, a lot of times it
takes really intense things to repent. In other words, sometimes
people have to have really serious illnesses, death of a
family member, war times.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: A lot of those things are the strong medicine that
we end up having to have to induce us to repentance,
which shakes us out of that sort of narciss narcissus
mirror staring that we have when we are not a
believer in objective truth when we think that we are
our own gods. And that was the temptation that Satan
gave and the garden was that man would be his
own god, he would determine right and wrong, he would
determine reality, etc. All those are the things that Satan offers.
And everybody born into this world who's born fallen necessarily
grows up with that fallen perspective.
Speaker 2: That they are themselves their own little gods.
Speaker 1: And by God's grace, as you said, you know, some
of us are brought out of that. Sometimes it takes,
you know, really intense personal things to get us out
of that. But ultimately, I think it's a case by
case basis. If you're talking with somebody that you're trying
to wake up and they're you know, excessively wicked, they're
a Destiny type person, I would move on.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have anything to do with.
Speaker 1: In fact, people tried for years to get me to
do debates with Destiny. Offered one time to do a
theistic debate, and he would only do a political debate.
I didn't think that was worth my time. And I
had another friend that debated Destiny, and I warned that
person that you know, he's not a good faith debate
or you're just kind of I think it's a waste
of time. And I think Destiny's really that was years ago.
I think he's really shown his true colors. My psychological
profiling assessment of Destiny was accurate. That he's not worth
anyone's time. He's just really a son of Ballial. Again,
he can repent, he can you know, God's grace can
reach anybody. But that doesn't mean that you have to
be a doormat and let.
Speaker 2: Wicked people walk all over you. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 1: That's more of a weird evangelical teaching. It's not the
biblical teaching. It's not the teaching of historic Christianity. I mean,
that's why I believe that there is and should be
the death penalty. There should be by the state. It
should be practiced for heinous crimes. You know, it's what
paul A's out in Romans thirteen. So that I think
would be a restoration of the notion of justice and
society would do a lot to heal some of the
ills in our system. But again, the system's also corrupt
in a very vast systemic way. I'm not saying Trump's
all evil or anything like that. I'm just saying, like
the system itself, when it becomes systemically corrupt, it's it's
difficult to turn things around, and sometimes it takes generations. Right,
we might not turn this around, you know, for several decades.
Speaker 4: Well, it's about it's about interrupting that feedback loop, right
because once once you reach that critical mass of corruption,
it becomes okay, you have to be corrupt to even
play the game. And so you know, obviously that's sort
of where we're opening up the door to at a
map yesterday of the you know, map of the world
by in countries by corruption, and you can see it's
you know, Western Europe, in America have so little corruption
and in Australia, you know, basically anywhere the diaspora out
of Europe goes you at very low levels of ruption.
Everywhere else extremely high levels of ruption. You know it,
if you go to Mexico, you're probably going to get
pulled over, You're probably going to get shaken down for
fifty to one hundred bucks by whatever cop can pull
you over. And it's like man, once that practice gets symbedded,
it's almost impossible to extricate. So we're really losing like
two thousand years of like building up trust as a community.
Is you know, incredibly rapidly is the u n you know,
floods our country with people from you know, the third world?
Speaker 2: That?
Speaker 4: And again it's I'm not even saying it to like
be offensive. Like if you talk to people from the
third world, there will be video of a of a
you know, Indian politician just handing out money as he
drives through the town. And to us, that's like, oh
my god, the symbol of corruption paying for votes, you know,
just hey, I'm rich, so pay you vote for me.
But he's not shy, he's not doing it clandestinely. It's like, no,
I do this. And you talk people from third one
and they're like, well, you gave me the most money,
why wouldn't I vote for him?
Speaker 3: Like that's how things work.
Speaker 4: So like we're losing something really really fundamental here as
we as we drift, you know, ever towards ever, towards
the abyss, is it too late to stop it?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: How do we you know, intercede and halt this feedback
loop and and then how do we reverse it?
Speaker 3: Is that possible?
Speaker 1: I think probably where I would differ with a lot
of people is that I'm not saying politics doesn't matter
and that you can't affect it, but it seems like
to be politically effective it takes a significant amount of money,
and unless you're in the one hundred million billion dollar class,
as an individual, you're probably not going to be super effective.
Not that you can't on an individual level, share the videos,
get the word out, support you know, Alex by going
to in for Wars or Alex store and all that.
But I mean, I tend to think that the best
change happens when individuals themselves undergo change. Particularly I know,
the Orthodox Church is definitely all about changing you as
an individual and making you get on a path of improvement.
So I think it's the real self improvement model, and
that's the thing that for example, that's the real change,
not that politics is irrelevant. The politics is a downstream
I think from these issues. These issues are more fundamental because,
for example, a lot of right wing leaders in the
last few decades have turned out to be very morally corrupt,
and so the right doesn't get anywhere because so many
people or compromised and so forth. And I'm not saying
we have to be saints and angels to be in
politics or whatever.
Speaker 2: Nobody's nobody.
Speaker 1: But I mean if we can expect basic levels of
like you know, just don't put things in your butt, don't,
you know, little kids? Right, then like let's start there.
For people that are going to be in public office,
we have.
Speaker 3: The lowest and they still can't cross it.
Speaker 2: It's no I mean, a long story short, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: What all I'm trying to say is like the guys
that I saw converting, for example, to Orthodox that were
my good buddies back in say twenty seventeen eighteen, those
guys are married, starting families. You know, they're moving in
the right direction. If you're you know, twenty and you're
an inceel and you're having rage and you are all
upset about politics, you got to get your your own
situation ironed out first. I think the Orthodox Church is
very good at helping in that regard. And then beyond that,
I think things like getting independent with your own monetary
sovereignty through things bitcoin, you know, trying to get out
of these cities, moved to the country home, studying, all
those things are great, great pluses.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, not only are our politicians, you know,
utterly corrupt, but there's also you sort of hinted at
it before, there's this strain of Christianity, or at least
there's an excuse that Christianity gives. I think a lot
of our leaders where they go, hey, I'm you know,
I can't we got to forgive these people. We can't
be too harsh. There's there's like a weak strain of
Christianity that I think is is sort of working in
tandem with the corrupt to give them the excuse that, hey,
we have to forgive and forget. That's not our place,
and it's like, no, that kind of is our place.
And this is you know, really injured back into the
conversation or been a major topic of conversation since Charlie
Kirk's murder and his wife saying that she forgave the killer,
which I would think is Christians like, we are called
to forgive people even that do horrible things to us.
But you got a lot of people going, well, I
don't forgive them, and even Trump going yeah, I still
hate my enemies. How have you interpreted that whole conversation
since since Charlie Kirk's memorial on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really the influence of evangelicalism and Pietism,
which I've tended to think that the state itself is
an evil institution or an institution that.
Speaker 2: Is itself Antichrist.
Speaker 1: Do you have a history of Protestants and the Emagelicals
identifying the papacy or even the state itself as Antichrist.
Roger Williams, of course, the famous Baptist, was one of
the first to actually said that there should be absolute separation,
not just of church and state, but God from state.
And I think that this is just really kind of
getting further down the road as we go down the
path of church history, severing not just a church and state,
which actually the Byzantine model. For example, you have one
bird with two heads. That's not a Masonic symbol Mason's
appropriate to that. That's church and state working together with
the same body. Because there are two powers, one directed
towards the timboreal the state, the other directed towards the spiritual.
But they kind of have to work together because God
is God of also the secular realm, So there is
no such thing really as a secular realm. There's just
different domains and different provinces that have, for whatever reason,
even back to the Enlightenment and the Reformation, et cetera,
completely divorced the idea of the divine and the transcendent
from government and from society. Oh, that's your personal private stuff.
Nothing like that. In the history of Christianity, first thousand
years of Christianity is Christian emperors and Christian kings.
Speaker 3: Everywhere, kingdoms, it seems like this.
Speaker 2: So this is a very modern thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's almost a scam that our churches are
buying into because the government doesn't have to come in,
and so you stay out of our business.
Speaker 3: Churches themselves go whoa, whoa.
Speaker 4: We want nothing to do with that, and it's like, well,
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Speaker 3: Have you seen the video, Jay, of this?
Speaker 4: Uh it's a Jewish service, I guess it's Rashashana and
they're talking about how human sacrifice is still a thing.
Speaker 3: Have you seen?
Speaker 4: This has gone viral today, so I want to watch it.
I want to get your take on it, if you
don't mind.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm familiar with the trends and traditions of
certain sects and groups within Judaism and the Sabatians and
others to think that sometimes these things can be done
for magical ritual purposes, but I'm not familiar with the
specific video.
Speaker 4: All right, I want I want to go this vid
because it's you know, it's at some big, big templar
or synagogue somewhere, and it's just it's just kind of
bizarre and it's got a lot of people wondering, like,
what is this woman talking about? What is the what
is the spiritual background of this? And I just want
to get your interpretation of it, and yeah, this is
this in no way obviously condemns all Jews in any
way at all. In the same way, if I saw
a church service with a pastor saying something creepy about
how we have to have human sacrifice, well let's watch
it and get and get Jay's analysis. On the other side.
You'll see a clip and then it the audience, the
radio audience will hear, you know, the audio go down.
Whoever edited this put little title cards in the middle
where they just sort of put their own comments. We
can ignore those, and as far as I know, this
video is legit. And I'm I'm just I need some
spiritual advice on exactly what's happening here. Let's go to
clip number eighteen. This was filmed over Rashashana this year.
Speaker 3: Let's watch.
Speaker 5: The greatest lie humanity tells itself is that we have
outgrown human sacrifice. We call it by different names now
and make our offering two different gods. We offer young
men we call soldiers, as if the designation means that
their mothers.
Speaker 3: Cry less when they die.
Speaker 5: We call masses of humanity collateral damage, and turn our
eyes away from the pictures of their lifeless bodies as
we sip our morning coffee. And the truth is, we
don't do it because we are heartless. We do it
because we believe that it is necessary for the world
to keep running. We do it because we believe that
the gods whose favor we so desperately seek freedom, security, prosperity, flourishing,
that they demand blood as the price of their favor.
We do it because we cannot see any other choice.
And maybe that's why we read the ake Dah the
Binding of Isaac on Russiashana, because the story of the
Aqda isn't about inconceivable obedience. When Abraham prepares to sacrifice Isaac,
he is just accepting the same bargain of blood. We
still accept today that some need to die for the
world to flourish.
Speaker 4: All right, So there's the video again. I just I
don't know interpreting that sort of in my most charitable way.
It's about kind of trying to come to terms with
sort of the the inevitability of war and just the
whoors that they see and trying to sort of interpret
it in a in a biblical mindset. But I mean,
just what's your takeaway from from watching that?
Speaker 1: Well, I guess would be that's probably some form of
reform Judaism, given the fact that the woman is doing
the readings. I'm not sure it could be a conservative
perhaps even orthodox Judaism. And I think that what they're
getting at is not that Judaism does this intentionally.
Speaker 2: On end mass to say sacrifice to deities.
Speaker 1: I think she's saying, like as a lot of leftists
do in most reformed Judaism, or any synagogue that has
a woman sort of doing that would be more liberal minded.
I think what they're saying is like, we still have
human sacrifice today. It's done to gods that we call
safety and security. I don't think she's saying that Judaism
in mass practices human sacrifice, even though there are sex
within extreme versions of Rabbinic Judaism that have seemed to
accept it and do it. You read about this in
the Book of Jeremiah, for example, when some of the
Jews fall into this practice. So there are history, there
is historical precedent for Sabatin Francas or groups within Judaism
that do this. But i'd my first initial take on
that is not that she was saying that we ought
to do this and this is a good thing. She's
saying that the world today thinks that we've advanced beyond
human sacrifices, but we in fact still do it. It's
just not to gods that we believe our personal deities.
But it's two things like war.
Speaker 3: Okay, that that that does make sense.
Speaker 4: I guess it's kind of like, you know, Christian saying, yeah,
we still practice U and sacrifice a look good planned parenthood,
that kind that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: Exactly, although Judaism typically doesn't believe that abortion is bad.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, but having a having a woman at the front, obviously,
I would think means they're not exactly traditional in a sense,
and it does.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that's that's got to be reform
or Conservative Judaism, which is open. I think both of
them have maybe Conservative doesn't have women rabbis, but they
would let them speak.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's one of those two.
Speaker 4: So yeah, I just thought, and you know, maybe the
way it's edited cuts out some context or something, but
obviously that that clip's been been going viral, and on
the face of it, it seems like kind of a disturbing message.
But I do think that your your interpretation is probably
more accurate, and I think that the more I listen
to it, the more I'm like, Okay, I think I
get where she's coming from. But it's also weird. That
sounds like she said gods. But maybe you're right that
she's referencing these things.
Speaker 1: I think she's saying, like we worship the gods like money, security, etc.
But also, you know the story of Isaac that she's
talking about. A lot of atheists and people misinterpret that
the purpose of the passage is an anti human sacrifice message.
Yahweh is the deity that is not going to require
human sacrifices. And in fact, even the sacrifice of Christ,
the son of God, willingly taken on humanity and dying
willingly isn't a human sacrifice that pacifies divine vengeance or
something like that. That's more of a pagan reading in that sense.
It's an end to the power of death, which we
believe is an unnatural power that Christ did as an
act of love, So far from it being one divine
person paying off an angry divine person in some sort
of zeus pagan.
Speaker 2: Type of transaction.
Speaker 1: Orthodox Christianity and the Christianity the first thousand years has
always interpreted this as an action of love that's intended
to actually destroy the power of death and give us
victory over death.
Speaker 4: Well, and there's a difference between sacrificing yourself and sacrificing
somebody else, right, That I think is what sort of
disturbed me about is framing people who have been killed
in war as a sacrifice by the people who killed them.
And it's like, you don't have a right to sacrifice
somebody else's life in the same way, you know, But
even you know, for the people that worshiped Molock, at
least it was their kid they're giving ostensibly. As horrifying
as that is, that's still a form of personal sacrifice.
But you know, just killing an enemy, I think portraying
that as sacrifice is a little bit, a little bit,
a little bit of an odd perspective.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I know that video has been going viral
and I didn't.
Speaker 4: Play it to be like see Jews sacrifice you I
don't believe that, But it's just I've been seeing people
interpret it that way. And I don't think that's the
way it was meant to be interpreted. But I still
think it represents sort of a something that I wouldn't
when she says God's I think your interpretation's right. But
originally I heard it, and it's like, okay, if you
define Jews as one thing, it's the fact they believe
in one God. It's kind of what they're all about. Actually,
it's kind of what made him, you know, totally different
than everybody else around them in ancient times. So it
was weird to me that she kept referencing gods. But
maybe you're right, she's refrescing just these things we almost
treat as gods.
Speaker 2: I'd say, yeah, well, I.
Speaker 1: Mean you'll get as many Jews as you talk to,
that's as many Judaisms as you'll get. So I mean,
and I mean, Judaism is an interesting The way it
functions is basically like you don't really question what the
rabbi says. So if your rabbi says this, and then
there's three rabbis down the road that contradict him, you
just go with your what your rabbi says, so you're
not really it's not really a religion predicated on this
the same ideas of we that we think of in
terms of like objective truth, and everybody can be wrong,
but this position is correct. It's a lot more, I
guess you could say it's dependent upon not just the
rabbinical structure, but it's more so focused at worshiping the
idea of Judaism or the race of the people itself.
Particularly when we get to modern Zionism, that's a lot
more of an atheistic, socialistic type of movement.
Speaker 2: And Moses has basically.
Speaker 1: Says that it's kind of a worship of the nation
state itself, that's the real deity in terms of Zionism.
Speaker 4: Right well, and on that note, you know that's obviously
another giant topic of conversation right now.
Speaker 3: Soar from New York Post today.
Speaker 4: Gen Z's casual anti semitism is growing seated by influencers
like Tucker Carlson. There's a video from earlier today, or
at least it was, you know, went viral earlier today.
I think it was maybe from a thing yesterday, clip
forty seven. Here this is the ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt
talking about the rise of anti Semitism, and I want
to get your your take on this, not even necessarily
a spiritual take, but just the geopolitical take of this,
because I don't know what Israel's going to do at
this point. We've got, you know, maybe we'll just play
some of these as as beruls, so we don't waste
your time going to these videos. But you know, Jonathan
Greenblatt was bemoaning the fact that they say half the
people in the world now are any Semitic, and the
children are even more anti Semitic than that. And then
net Yat who's giving a speech to the UN and
everybody standing up and walking out. That's clip twenty four
if we want to play that as b rol. It
seems like Israel is losing all of its you know,
adherents or supporters around the world. Seems like they've got
the American Congress pretty locked down, but the American people
are sort of slipping through their grip. And obviously Europe
is starting to recognize Palestine as a state and they've
cut off weapons transfers to them. How does this tie
into maybe some of the end time prophecies the world
turning against Israel? And then geopolitically, how do you think
they're going to deal with this. I mean, it seems
like they are on a downward slope in terms of
anti Semitism, and nothing they're trying is reversing that trend.
Speaker 3: What do you think comes next?
Speaker 1: Well, I don't necessarily know that it relates to the
end times. I mean, it certainly could. But you know,
when you get into again the.
Speaker 2: Way that a lot of.
Speaker 1: Israel functions in the modern world, it's it's it has
a lot of parallels with kind of an organized crime structure.
So they have a kind of an organized crime government,
and you could say you have net Yahoo kind of
heading up or a very important player in that. That's
why Israel has a tendency to protect a lot of
international criminals. And I'm speaking there at the government level,
but I think amongst the population there, I'm sure there's
quite a bit of diversity, and there are quite a
few other people groups in Israel, for example, the so
it's not one size fits all, all collective thing. For example,
the third largest landowner in Israel is the Orthodox Church.
People don't know that, but it's the third largest lander
and I'm sure that the Israeli government hates that and
probably wants to get rid of all of the you know.
Speaker 2: The churches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, they're taking churches and turning Christian quarters that
are historic districts into you know, gay bars and gay areas.
So what does that tell you? I mean, I think
that there's so many layers of this. First of all,
as Victor Ostrowski says, the former Masaud writer, he gave
a lecture that's still on YouTube, and he says that
the anti Semitism card is a card that's been played forever.
You know, it's you just roll that out, throw throw
that card down, just like when the left calls everybody
racist and hitler. And the problem is that that's not
working anymore because people, you know, you can kind of
use that up and it eventually loses its effect. Uh,
And so people don't really care about being called anti
Semitic anymore. And also people are figuring out that it's
it doesn't really consistently apply.
Speaker 2: You know. It's like, well, if you read Genesis.
Speaker 1: Arabs or I guess you could say Muslims or you know,
hagar writes or Hagarens, as the traditional Christian description calls them,
they are also Semitic peoples. So why is it that
we get this sort of you know, group of people,
many of whom are actual much later Kazari and converts.
I'm not saying everybody. I know that there's Mizrahi, and
there's Sephardic, and there's Ashkenazi, and I'm aware of all that,
but obviously quite a few people are converts, and so
they're not technically.
Speaker 2: Speaking Semitic people.
Speaker 1: So it's just sort of like laying claim to the
title of shim or Semite as if no one else
is of that genetic lineage. But then it can kind
of flip between a genetic description of a people group
and then flip over to a religious description so whenever
it needs. So it's kind of a morphous in that way.
But people i think are learning that if you look
at really serious rabbinic Judaism, I'm not saying every person
is bad, but the religion itself is very superstitious. It's
very cult like. If you look at the way that
you know, the Jewish areas function, where they will get
around the Sabbath rule by putting up a string around
the neighborhood so that you walk around inside on the
Sabbath even though or outside. But there's a string around
the neighborhood. So and there's all these sorts of like
tricks to trick God within actual rabbinic Judaism.
Speaker 2: And the Internet is kind of making this.
Speaker 1: Easily accessible and well known when probably, you know, fifty
sixty years ago, people didn't really know that unless they
studied religion or went you know, into the Jewish district
or whatever in New York and saw at first hand.
So people are figuring out that a lot of what
they're told, especially say evangelical dispensationalists, so called Christians in America.
Speaker 2: That's all a hijacked thing that was.
Speaker 1: Bought off and influenced by foreign lobby groups decades ago.
And that isn't Christianity. It's nothing to do with historic Christianity.
It's a sect and it promotes and is there to
foist geopolitical ideas upon dumb Bible belt people. But that
stranglehold is starting to break. So that's why people are
not caring about being called anti Semitic. The card has
been used too many times. And also Israel is brazenly
acting according to Talmudic principles by trying to get rid
of all the Palestinians and calling everyone amlek ameleik is
the Old Testament enemy of Israel, who when the Jews
were traveling, the Amelek killed the people who were at
the back, like the women and the children. And so
amlek is then a perpetual term for anyone who is
an opponent of Israel or a design a state in
this case, and so they're all called amlek, and thus
they're able to be eradicated. And I think Netanya who
made reference to this right before there was the movements
in terms of getting rid of the people in Gaza
of a year or two ago whenever that was Yeah,
that's so that that all plays into what is going
on here. And then you have actual people who are
going too far to there and then thinking that they
have been a right to hate all Jewish people or
to hate an entire group of people, which is not correct.
And both of these things can be true. You can
have a religion that is false, that is like a cult.
And at the same time, as Christians, we're not allowed
to hate these people. We have to love and hope
for repentance and salvation, as Paul talks about in Romans
nine through eleven.
Speaker 4: For Jews as well, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, And what I
was going to say is that, yeah, I believe the
statement from nannyahoo Are calling his enemies Amelek was like
used as evidence in his trial for genocide, going, look,
this is what this means, because that's you know, the
how the Bible uses or you know, refers to Amelek
destroy them, all of them, you know, men, women, and child,
and you know the reason why these things used to work.
They don't work as well now. But for the most part,
especially American people, we're actually genuinely good people. We don't
want to be mean, we don't want to be, you know,
enemies of anybody. So when you're told something is racist,
most people really genuinely go, oh gee, well I don't
want to be racist. I better avoid that. I'm not
anti Semitic, I would you know, I don't hate the Jews.
I better not say that right now. But then it
gets used so much, and it gets used. I've got
videos today the head of the Massad saying, you know,
talk about Jeffrey Epstein being a part of Masad makes
you anti Semitic. And it's like you say that enough
and people stop taking it seriously or they embrace it.
And they go, you're gonna keep calling me to asom
I guess I am an anti Semite, And I of
course think that's just you're just letting your mind be
controlled again by really the same forces. It's just you're
allowing it to control the opposite way than people who
you know, really are scared of that, of that term
and shy away from it. But we have to be
able to talk about this, and I think that's the
big issue and why I sort of almost have a
responsibility to talk about it because we can't.
Speaker 3: We're not going to come to any solutions.
Speaker 4: And it's obviously not good for anybody, least of all
the Jews when you know they're you know, anti Semitism
is being used to protect the Jeffrey Epstein pedophile connections.
Like we have to be able to talk about this openly,
we have to be able to see it with And
I've always said, you know, I treat extremist Jews like
I treat extremist Christians, Like, Yeah, every religion has people
sort of on that far into the spectrum, and it's
one of the peoples in that religion to go, hey,
that's not us. I'm not Westboro Baptist Church. Okay, I
want nothing to do with them. They can call themselves
Christians all they want, but that ain't me all right,
And drawing that distinction I think is important. And again,
obviously this conversation is a difficult one and it's one
that really doesn't happen around the country. How do you
think we have this conversation in a way that is
productive and is not reductive and is not in with
people going you're gonna call me an as might I
guess I am now, because again I don't think that's
that's valuable or helpful at all.
Speaker 1: Well, the problem is this is a nuanced discussion, and
a lot of people just do to everybody kind of
being dumbed down, don't want to be nuanced. And I
think a lot of people also want people to be radicalized,
because there's a lot of advantage that can be had
through radicalizing people. And so the more radical people become
in these positions or in these attitudes, then you get
justification for the reactions.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So it's a kind of a problem reaction solution situation
to where the more people begin to, you know, think that, oh, well,
if I'm going to criticize Israel or not Y'ah here
or whatever, and then I get called anti Semitic.
Speaker 2: Then I guess I'll just be in seminical. I guess
I'll like Hitler now, right.
Speaker 1: So it just sort of pushes people into these extremes,
and then that extreme can be exploited and can be
capitalized upon. And ironically, the more people adopt the Hilarian perspective,
the more people in Israel will then feel justified in
their counter reaction to that. So it's a problem reaction
dialectic that necessitates one another. And you know, it's the
same when people ask and try to get me arguing
about the issue between Oh, it's so, who do you
like Palestinians and Hamas or do you like, you know,
Zionism and Yahoo. And I'm like, well, you don't think
I can from a real, sincere nuanced position criticize both
of these positions and say that I'm.
Speaker 2: Not really into either one.
Speaker 1: And I would have a long time ago, maybe ten
years ago, probably been more on the side of the
the Hamas side of things, not because I am pro Homasra,
but I was ignorant of Islam. And it took me
the last seven years of debating a lot of the
top Muslims and studying Islam pretty in depth. Right now
on my channel, we're lecturing through an FBI consultant's book
on al Qaeda. And you know, and I'm not saying
I don't believe the nine to eleven, you know, conspiracy narrative.
Speaker 2: I do. I think it was a conspiracy. But that
doesn't make it.
Speaker 1: Even if Islam and Islamic radicals who happen to be
CIA proxy soldiers like ka, even if they're the ones
that are sort of the front group and they're Muslims,
like that doesn't make Islam good, am My, you know
what I mean. It's like if I'm an orthodoxtrician, I
have a long pedigree of opposing both Rabbinic Judaism and Islam.
Speaker 2: They're both wrong.
Speaker 1: But these dialectics entrap so many people, and unfortunately there's
just no way to.
Speaker 2: Talk about this topic without being nuanced.
Speaker 1: But most people don't want to be nuanced, and most
people in the power structure in these different systems want
people to be radicalized and not nuanced.
Speaker 2: And a lot of these people don't even care that
you're going to.
Speaker 4: Be nuanced, right, right, And they're just going to assert
things regardless, and yeah, the false dichotomy kills me. It's
it's you know, I had somebody I said something good
about Charlie Kirk, obviously because he was a great man.
And you know, I had somebody who generally agrees with
me on the topic of Israel.
Speaker 3: Go, oh, but he was a pro Zionist. How can
you be sad for him?
Speaker 4: And it's like, you think that's how I see the
world through that dialectic, through that dichotomy. Either you're you know,
a Zionist and deserve death, or you're an anti Zionist
and I'm on you. It's like, no, no, no, I
can have I can pick my own side, thank you
very much. And it's the American Christian side, And yeah,
I got I got problems with both as well. Again,
it's it's sort of a difficult to discussion happening. It's like,
we have to have this discussion. We have to recognize that,
like you, Christianity and Judaism are in fact two different religions.
I don't know why people can't don't see they're recognize.
Speaker 3: That, but it's true, and you know, you got to
you gotta deal.
Speaker 1: With it, just like Islam and Christianity are also too
irresolvably different religions. I mean, first of all, Christianity teaches
number one to Trinity and the Deed of Christ. That
right away tells you that the deity of Islam and
Judaism are different. Right And by the way, Islam and
Judaism do not believe that Christians have the same deity.
So those two religions do not believe there is a
Judeo Christian or Islamo Christian parallel synthetic thing that we
could could erect.
Speaker 4: But they're trying to merge them. We all have a
minute left. This is like the biggest topic in the world.
But they're trying to merge these right there. You know,
the part of the New World Order is to combine
all three Abrahamic face.
Speaker 3: How close do you think they are to that goal.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a challenge to get people on board with that.
And you know, the more that all the foundations think
takes and the power leads push the ecumenist New World
Religion agenda. You know, they they put a lot of
money into it. They build the Abrahamic Faith Center in
Abu Dhabi, and they get the Pope on board and
he comes and blesses it, and I mean, it's just
it's difficult to get and I'm just going to be
frank here with a lot of say Muslims, you have
a lot of people who believe Islam in countries where
the IQ is around eighty uh so you're you're not
going to get a lot of nuance out of people
with ad i Q and places like Pakistan and Somalia,
and so you know, it's a challenge to get everybody
on board with a new age religion in a lot
of different ways. And there are a lot of Muslims are.
Speaker 4: Our structure that they that they you know, as long
as the you know, the Saudi Arabian clerics are down
with it, then everybody downstream will be.
Speaker 2: Man.
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