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exploited and can be capitalized upon. And ironically, the more

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do you like you know, Zionism and Yahoo? And I'm like, well,

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radicals who happen to be CIA proxy soldiers like Kai,

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front group and they're Muslims, like, that doesn't make Islam

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good a my, you know what I mean. So it's like,

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of opposing both Rabbinic Judaism and Islam.

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Speaker 1: But these dialectics entrap so many people, and unfortunately there's

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people to be radicalized and not nuanced, and a lot

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Speaker 3: I'm so happy to welcome my guest, Jay Dyer.

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Speaker 4: He is an author, comedian, TV presenter known for his

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deep analysis of Hollywood, geopolitics, and culture. His graduate work

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folks on Psychological Warfare and Film, and he's the author

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of two books, Esoteric Hollywood one and two, and the

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co creator and co host of the television show Hollywood Decoded.

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He's been featured on numerous popular shows and podcasts, and

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in debates the World's Top Debaters. You can follow him

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at Jay Dyer, on YouTube, Jay'sanalysis, dot com, and on

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working on a third I think you're working on a

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third Esoteric hollywoods that come out yet, Jay.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the chew, sir Ah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's ship's actually in a few days. I'm glad

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you mentioned that. Yeah, that will be my third Hollywood book,

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completing the trilogy. And then I have a couple of

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philosophy books, so technically five books, but yeah, that's the

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harder for you? Because and I love the first two

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esoteric Hollywood books. I'm looking forward to the third. But

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seemed like they still tried to conceal it. It seemed like,

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the bad guy approach things? Because obviously Hollywood was an

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Speaker 1: So your role is sometimes dependent upon the degree to

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Speaker 2: Hollywood's dying. It doesn't have the power that it had.

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Speaker 1: It served its purpose though, because it was there too

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well to do many things, but to control the population

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Speaker 4: Even know what planet they're on half the time. Short

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short break. We'll be right back with Jay DIYer. Don't

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go anywhere, all right, Welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Jayder

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x as well. I know what's your what's your account?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Pretty much Jay Dyer everywhere.

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Speaker 1: I think on Instagram, I'm Jay's Analysis, but you can

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Speaker 2: So yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, the the Hollywood mass mind control

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complex served its purpose, and it's kind of it's kind

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man on the street. Interviews will go around like usually

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Speaker 1: And it's this weird inverted envy based system where you

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capitalism has failed and so the only answer is socialism, Marxism.

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Speaker 1: Destruction of the family, destruction of the archetype of the Father,

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destruction of God, the Father who is the ultimate archetype

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of the Father. All those things go together to create

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the Kindler study in Germany, and you know that's the

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the the obvious reason why they'd want to but how

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from sexual purity, so we got to destroy that to

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it just goes again right to the heart of the leftist,

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which is that image of the nineteen fifties happy family,

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but over each person it's like, you know, the dad's

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like I'm secretly gay, you know, the daughter, you know,

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the wife is like I was lobotomized and have to

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take all these drugs just to deal with my life.

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Americana cooking out that left to see that and they

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go there has to be something evil and sick and

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twisted underneath it. Nothing can be good. And I'm so

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we recognize it, but I can't quite define it. I

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can't quite like sink my teeth into like what is

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what drives that mentality?

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Speaker 1: Saint John Chrystalstom said that the family is a little church.

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bigger version of the family. So that's a fundamental concept

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in the Orthodox Church that we we always go back

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to because the reason that the left hates that. It's

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the same idea that when people, you know, vampires see

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across they shriek because anything that it's an icon or

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an image or a reminder of the good, the pure,

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the holy, or the archetypal referencing back to God, those

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things are innately going to cause a recoil reaction from

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vampires and the Left is pretty much a bunch of

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orc goblin vampires that are demonically energized, and that's why.

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Speaker 2: They act that way.

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Speaker 1: I would add, too funny you mentioned the sexual revolution

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because you just brought to mind speaking of the Frankfurt School.

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One of the other characters connected to it was Wilhelm Reich.

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You may know him from Oregone Fame, which is this

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bizarre con artist thing that he came up with, which

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is like a bunch of trash stuck together in a

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piece of plastic, which somehow mystically brings good vibes. I

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don't know what it's supposed to do. It's obviously some

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sort of nonsense. But Wilhelm Reich is also known for

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being connected to the Frankfurt School and a proponent of

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sexual sexual revolution and liberation, all the pan type stuff

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that we talk about, and he was very candid about

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why he was such a big proponent of it. He

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said that in order to get rid of the patriarchy,

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you have to have the rise of feminism, the goddess

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and sexual revolution, because that would be the only way

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the society would disintegrate as long as there was fallocentric

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or logos based masculine order. There would be boundaries. Men

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set boundaries, God sets boundaries. That's the purpose of law,

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and you can't have love without law and without boundaries,

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and that's why all those things necessarily go together. So

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to destroy the male archetype, destroy the archetype of God

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the Father, results in the necessary destruction of the family

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and the sexual liberation of society as a whole, end

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the rise of and promotion of the Goddess. And so

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Wilhelm Reich said that the New Age movement would have

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to endorse and promote in the sixties countercoastal revolution as

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well feminism and feminine sexual liberation in order to have

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the society that we're going into. And he was absolutely correct.

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I mean, he's evil, but he was open about it.

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Speaker 3: Right, as so many of these people are.

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Speaker 4: It seems almost like they think that if they're open

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about their evil, it doesn't make it evil anymore. I'm

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sure you've noticed that where the streamer Destiny comes to mind,

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where he's just engaging the most disgusting stuff, but just

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because he's just upfront about it, he acts like it's

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like no big deal, and it's like, no, it's still

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your what you're doing is still deeply immoral. You just

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aren't shy about it for some reason, which is really

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more of an indictment of you than anything else. Yeah,

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as you're writing, William Reich, order versus chaos, because that's

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another thing that I think that people pitch chaos as

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if it's freedom. They see order and they say that's

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a trap, that's oppression, you're being controlled. But in reality,

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when you really think about it, I mean, to have liberty,

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to have order. They want to extract us from the order,

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throw you into a world of chaos and say you're free,

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have fun, And that's not really how it works, right,

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these rules that are being set down restricting you, you

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have to break free from them.

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Speaker 3: How do you make the argument for order?

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Speaker 1: Well, for anything to function, there has to be some obviously,

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some set of rules, some of authority, some set of

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agreed upon principles. So I mean, to me, that's just

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the most common sense that anyone would argue against that

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as kind of like I don't even know if you

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could wait Ei there's no point in wasting time even

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arguing with a person that doesn't see that at But

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I mean most of society unfortunately, has been brainwashed into

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this position.

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Speaker 2: So it's actually a very popular position.

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Speaker 1: And the idea I think is that freedom necessitates all

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removal of restraints, no boundaries. Right, love is love. These

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phrases that we hear, these sort of slogans that people say,

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and really what they mean is whatever my body desires,

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whatever I want is quote love. Or they mistake it

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for an emotion or a passion or you know, as

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we would say, like biological desires or passions.

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Speaker 2: These kinds of things.

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Speaker 1: They're not inherently bad, but if they're misordered or misdirected,

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then they end up being a net negative for the

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individual and for society as a whole. So you can't

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have a society that functions, for example, where say theft

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is legal. I mean, if theft is legal, nobody can

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run a business, nobody can have a home, nobody can

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have private property, nobody can have you know, their family.

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So very basic ideas that are obviously essential to running anything,

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whether a business or a school or a home, would

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have to be would be impossible in situations where there

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were absolutely no boundaries. But this is really the root

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of liberalism and leftism. I remember reading a famous essay

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by the famous Semiititian Lumberto Eco. He wrote an essay

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but it was many years ago, and he's a sort

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of super liberal postmodernist.

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Speaker 2: But he was very honest in this article.

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Speaker 1: It's called or fascism, and he says that the real

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enemy that the left must always combat isn't political, it's

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actually the idea of capital t truth or the idea

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that there is such a thing as truth. In other words,

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fascism in his mindset, is anything that says that there's

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objective truth, that there's right and wrong, that there's values.

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That's all fascism. And so the left is that, he says,

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an eternal war against truth. So that's a lot more honest. Right,

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part of the left who tries to have the moral

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high ground. Whorse, they don't believe in morals anyway, So

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don't let them have the moral high ground because they

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don't believe in morals.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: And it again, it seems like this is sort of

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a through line through so much of what we're talking

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about the battle between subjectivism and objectivism. And of course,

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as you think about that, it's obvious what that really

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is is battle between man and God. Right, objective truth

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is God is just how the world is, and subjective

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truth is the worship of the self. What I think

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and how I feel must be true. Yes, so this

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really is.

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Speaker 2: And it's like.

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Speaker 4: I can't remember what I was talking about yesday, but

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or subjective Yes, I don't remember what it was, but

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it was some political thing because it's just this through line.

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Do people even realize that that's what they're doing? Like,

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this is my struggle is, like how do we even

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get through to people who genuinely don't care about objective truth?

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It's even worth it to try to get through to them,

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Like as a Christian, I have to think it is.

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Speaker 3: But at a certain.

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Speaker 4: Point you see some of these people and you go,

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they are too lost for us to gather back into

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the fold, Like we just have to destroy them. I mean,

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how do we deal with the population almost willfully engaged

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in this subjectivism that just completely eradicates any ability for

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us to connect to one another On the basis of

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anything other than our own selfish desires.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did a live stream this week on my channel,

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and I'll be doing a live stream right after this.

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Speaker 2: People want to come to my channel after your show

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and check.

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Speaker 1: Out a lot of these topics that we discuss pretty

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frequently on Jadier channel on YouTube. But I was talking

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about how well, you know, the scriptures often discuss characters

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called sons of ballial or sometimes translated as worthless persons.

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Speaker 2: Now, that's not to say that people can't.

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Speaker 1: Be saved if they're evil, because of course anybody can

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conceivably be saved. Even if you're Paul on the Road

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to Damascus, you're a very wicked person killing Christians, you

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can still convert. But the thing is that the more

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that you sink into evil, a lot of times it

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takes really intense things to repent. In other words, sometimes

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people have to have really serious illnesses, death of a

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family member, war times.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: A lot of those things are the strong medicine that

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we end up having to have to induce us to repentance,

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which shakes us out of that sort of narciss narcissus

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mirror staring that we have when we are not a

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believer in objective truth when we think that we are

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our own gods. And that was the temptation that Satan

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gave and the garden was that man would be his

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own god, he would determine right and wrong, he would

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determine reality, etc. All those are the things that Satan offers.

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And everybody born into this world who's born fallen necessarily

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grows up with that fallen perspective.

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Speaker 2: That they are themselves their own little gods.

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Speaker 1: And by God's grace, as you said, you know, some

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of us are brought out of that. Sometimes it takes,

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you know, really intense personal things to get us out

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of that. But ultimately, I think it's a case by

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case basis. If you're talking with somebody that you're trying

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to wake up and they're you know, excessively wicked, they're

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a Destiny type person, I would move on.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't have anything to do with.

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Speaker 1: In fact, people tried for years to get me to

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do debates with Destiny. Offered one time to do a

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theistic debate, and he would only do a political debate.

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I didn't think that was worth my time. And I

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had another friend that debated Destiny, and I warned that

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person that you know, he's not a good faith debate

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or you're just kind of I think it's a waste

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of time. And I think Destiny's really that was years ago.

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I think he's really shown his true colors. My psychological

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profiling assessment of Destiny was accurate. That he's not worth

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anyone's time. He's just really a son of Ballial. Again,

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he can repent, he can you know, God's grace can

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reach anybody. But that doesn't mean that you have to

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be a doormat and let.

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Speaker 2: Wicked people walk all over you. That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: That's more of a weird evangelical teaching. It's not the

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biblical teaching. It's not the teaching of historic Christianity. I mean,

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that's why I believe that there is and should be

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the death penalty. There should be by the state. It

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should be practiced for heinous crimes. You know, it's what

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paul A's out in Romans thirteen. So that I think

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would be a restoration of the notion of justice and

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society would do a lot to heal some of the

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ills in our system. But again, the system's also corrupt

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in a very vast systemic way. I'm not saying Trump's

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all evil or anything like that. I'm just saying, like

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the system itself, when it becomes systemically corrupt, it's it's

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difficult to turn things around, and sometimes it takes generations. Right,

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we might not turn this around, you know, for several decades.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's about it's about interrupting that feedback loop, right

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because once once you reach that critical mass of corruption,

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it becomes okay, you have to be corrupt to even

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play the game. And so you know, obviously that's sort

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of where we're opening up the door to at a

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map yesterday of the you know, map of the world

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by in countries by corruption, and you can see it's

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you know, Western Europe, in America have so little corruption

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and in Australia, you know, basically anywhere the diaspora out

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of Europe goes you at very low levels of ruption.

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Everywhere else extremely high levels of ruption. You know it,

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if you go to Mexico, you're probably going to get

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pulled over, You're probably going to get shaken down for

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fifty to one hundred bucks by whatever cop can pull

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you over. And it's like man, once that practice gets symbedded,

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it's almost impossible to extricate. So we're really losing like

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two thousand years of like building up trust as a community.

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Is you know, incredibly rapidly is the u n you know,

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floods our country with people from you know, the third world?

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Speaker 2: That?

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Speaker 4: And again it's I'm not even saying it to like

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be offensive. Like if you talk to people from the

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third world, there will be video of a of a

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you know, Indian politician just handing out money as he

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drives through the town. And to us, that's like, oh

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my god, the symbol of corruption paying for votes, you know,

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just hey, I'm rich, so pay you vote for me.

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But he's not shy, he's not doing it clandestinely. It's like, no,

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I do this. And you talk people from third one

488
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and they're like, well, you gave me the most money,

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why wouldn't I vote for him?

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Speaker 3: Like that's how things work.

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Speaker 4: So like we're losing something really really fundamental here as

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we as we drift, you know, ever towards ever, towards

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the abyss, is it too late to stop it?

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Speaker 3: Now?

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Speaker 4: How do we you know, intercede and halt this feedback

496
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loop and and then how do we reverse it?

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Speaker 3: Is that possible?

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Speaker 1: I think probably where I would differ with a lot

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of people is that I'm not saying politics doesn't matter

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and that you can't affect it, but it seems like

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to be politically effective it takes a significant amount of money,

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and unless you're in the one hundred million billion dollar class,

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as an individual, you're probably not going to be super effective.

504
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Not that you can't on an individual level, share the videos,

505
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get the word out, support you know, Alex by going

506
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to in for Wars or Alex store and all that.

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But I mean, I tend to think that the best

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change happens when individuals themselves undergo change. Particularly I know,

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the Orthodox Church is definitely all about changing you as

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an individual and making you get on a path of improvement.

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So I think it's the real self improvement model, and

512
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that's the thing that for example, that's the real change,

513
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not that politics is irrelevant. The politics is a downstream

514
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I think from these issues. These issues are more fundamental because,

515
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for example, a lot of right wing leaders in the

516
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last few decades have turned out to be very morally corrupt,

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and so the right doesn't get anywhere because so many

518
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people or compromised and so forth. And I'm not saying

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we have to be saints and angels to be in

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politics or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's nobody.

522
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Speaker 1: But I mean if we can expect basic levels of

523
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like you know, just don't put things in your butt, don't,

524
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you know, little kids? Right, then like let's start there.

525
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For people that are going to be in public office,

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we have.

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Speaker 3: The lowest and they still can't cross it.

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Speaker 2: It's no I mean, a long story short, I'm sorry.

529
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Speaker 1: What all I'm trying to say is like the guys

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that I saw converting, for example, to Orthodox that were

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my good buddies back in say twenty seventeen eighteen, those

532
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guys are married, starting families. You know, they're moving in

533
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the right direction. If you're you know, twenty and you're

534
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an inceel and you're having rage and you are all

535
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upset about politics, you got to get your your own

536
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situation ironed out first. I think the Orthodox Church is

537
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very good at helping in that regard. And then beyond that,

538
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I think things like getting independent with your own monetary

539
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sovereignty through things bitcoin, you know, trying to get out

540
00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:04,480
of these cities, moved to the country home, studying, all

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those things are great, great pluses.

542
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, not only are our politicians, you know,

543
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utterly corrupt, but there's also you sort of hinted at

544
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it before, there's this strain of Christianity, or at least

545
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there's an excuse that Christianity gives. I think a lot

546
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of our leaders where they go, hey, I'm you know,

547
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I can't we got to forgive these people. We can't

548
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be too harsh. There's there's like a weak strain of

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Christianity that I think is is sort of working in

550
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tandem with the corrupt to give them the excuse that, hey,

551
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we have to forgive and forget. That's not our place,

552
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and it's like, no, that kind of is our place.

553
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And this is you know, really injured back into the

554
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conversation or been a major topic of conversation since Charlie

555
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Kirk's murder and his wife saying that she forgave the killer,

556
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which I would think is Christians like, we are called

557
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to forgive people even that do horrible things to us.

558
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But you got a lot of people going, well, I

559
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don't forgive them, and even Trump going yeah, I still

560
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hate my enemies. How have you interpreted that whole conversation

561
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since since Charlie Kirk's memorial on Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is really the influence of evangelicalism and Pietism,

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which I've tended to think that the state itself is

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an evil institution or an institution that.

565
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Speaker 2: Is itself Antichrist.

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Speaker 1: Do you have a history of Protestants and the Emagelicals

567
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identifying the papacy or even the state itself as Antichrist.

568
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Roger Williams, of course, the famous Baptist, was one of

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the first to actually said that there should be absolute separation,

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not just of church and state, but God from state.

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And I think that this is just really kind of

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getting further down the road as we go down the

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path of church history, severing not just a church and state,

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which actually the Byzantine model. For example, you have one

575
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bird with two heads. That's not a Masonic symbol Mason's

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appropriate to that. That's church and state working together with

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the same body. Because there are two powers, one directed

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towards the timboreal the state, the other directed towards the spiritual.

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But they kind of have to work together because God

580
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is God of also the secular realm, So there is

581
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no such thing really as a secular realm. There's just

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different domains and different provinces that have, for whatever reason,

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even back to the Enlightenment and the Reformation, et cetera,

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completely divorced the idea of the divine and the transcendent

585
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from government and from society. Oh, that's your personal private stuff.

586
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Nothing like that. In the history of Christianity, first thousand

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years of Christianity is Christian emperors and Christian kings.

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Speaker 3: Everywhere, kingdoms, it seems like this.

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Speaker 2: So this is a very modern thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's almost a scam that our churches are

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buying into because the government doesn't have to come in,

592
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and so you stay out of our business.

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Speaker 3: Churches themselves go whoa, whoa.

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Speaker 4: We want nothing to do with that, and it's like, well,

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why do you think you're losing so bad? Obviously, we'll

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guest is Jay Dyer, Jay's Analysis dot com. I'm gonna

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I'm gonna appeal to your analysis here, Jay, And of

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course he's on YouTube a Jay Dyer and on Exit

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Speaker 3: Have you seen the video, Jay, of this?

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Speaker 4: Uh it's a Jewish service, I guess it's Rashashana and

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they're talking about how human sacrifice is still a thing.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen?

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Speaker 4: This has gone viral today, so I want to watch it.

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I want to get your take on it, if you

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don't mind.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm familiar with the trends and traditions of

619
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certain sects and groups within Judaism and the Sabatians and

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others to think that sometimes these things can be done

621
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for magical ritual purposes, but I'm not familiar with the

622
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specific video.

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Speaker 4: All right, I want I want to go this vid

624
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because it's you know, it's at some big, big templar

625
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or synagogue somewhere, and it's just it's just kind of

626
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bizarre and it's got a lot of people wondering, like,

627
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what is this woman talking about? What is the what

628
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is the spiritual background of this? And I just want

629
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to get your interpretation of it, and yeah, this is

630
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this in no way obviously condemns all Jews in any

631
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way at all. In the same way, if I saw

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a church service with a pastor saying something creepy about

633
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how we have to have human sacrifice, well let's watch

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it and get and get Jay's analysis. On the other side.

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You'll see a clip and then it the audience, the

636
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radio audience will hear, you know, the audio go down.

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Whoever edited this put little title cards in the middle

638
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where they just sort of put their own comments. We

639
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can ignore those, and as far as I know, this

640
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:35,480
video is legit. And I'm I'm just I need some

641
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:38,599
spiritual advice on exactly what's happening here. Let's go to

642
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clip number eighteen. This was filmed over Rashashana this year.

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Speaker 3: Let's watch.

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Speaker 5: The greatest lie humanity tells itself is that we have

645
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outgrown human sacrifice. We call it by different names now

646
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and make our offering two different gods. We offer young

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men we call soldiers, as if the designation means that

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their mothers.

649
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Speaker 3: Cry less when they die.

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Speaker 5: We call masses of humanity collateral damage, and turn our

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eyes away from the pictures of their lifeless bodies as

652
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we sip our morning coffee. And the truth is, we

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don't do it because we are heartless. We do it

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because we believe that it is necessary for the world

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to keep running. We do it because we believe that

656
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the gods whose favor we so desperately seek freedom, security, prosperity, flourishing,

657
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that they demand blood as the price of their favor.

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We do it because we cannot see any other choice.

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And maybe that's why we read the ake Dah the

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Binding of Isaac on Russiashana, because the story of the

661
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Aqda isn't about inconceivable obedience. When Abraham prepares to sacrifice Isaac,

662
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he is just accepting the same bargain of blood. We

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still accept today that some need to die for the

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world to flourish.

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Speaker 4: All right, So there's the video again. I just I

666
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don't know interpreting that sort of in my most charitable way.

667
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It's about kind of trying to come to terms with

668
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sort of the the inevitability of war and just the

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whoors that they see and trying to sort of interpret

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it in a in a biblical mindset. But I mean,

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just what's your takeaway from from watching that?

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Speaker 1: Well, I guess would be that's probably some form of

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reform Judaism, given the fact that the woman is doing

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the readings. I'm not sure it could be a conservative

675
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perhaps even orthodox Judaism. And I think that what they're

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getting at is not that Judaism does this intentionally.

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Speaker 2: On end mass to say sacrifice to deities.

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Speaker 1: I think she's saying, like as a lot of leftists

679
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do in most reformed Judaism, or any synagogue that has

680
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a woman sort of doing that would be more liberal minded.

681
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I think what they're saying is like, we still have

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human sacrifice today. It's done to gods that we call

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safety and security. I don't think she's saying that Judaism

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in mass practices human sacrifice, even though there are sex

685
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within extreme versions of Rabbinic Judaism that have seemed to

686
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accept it and do it. You read about this in

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the Book of Jeremiah, for example, when some of the

688
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Jews fall into this practice. So there are history, there

689
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is historical precedent for Sabatin Francas or groups within Judaism

690
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that do this. But i'd my first initial take on

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that is not that she was saying that we ought

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to do this and this is a good thing. She's

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saying that the world today thinks that we've advanced beyond

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human sacrifices, but we in fact still do it. It's

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just not to gods that we believe our personal deities.

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But it's two things like war.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that that that does make sense.

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Speaker 4: I guess it's kind of like, you know, Christian saying, yeah,

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we still practice U and sacrifice a look good planned parenthood,

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that kind that kind of thing.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, although Judaism typically doesn't believe that abortion is bad.

702
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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, but having a having a woman at the front, obviously,

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I would think means they're not exactly traditional in a sense,

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and it does.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say that's that's got to be reform

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or Conservative Judaism, which is open. I think both of

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them have maybe Conservative doesn't have women rabbis, but they

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would let them speak.

709
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:38,559
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's one of those two.

710
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 4: So yeah, I just thought, and you know, maybe the

711
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,119
way it's edited cuts out some context or something, but

712
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:46,239
obviously that that clip's been been going viral, and on

713
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:48,719
the face of it, it seems like kind of a disturbing message.

714
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:51,159
But I do think that your your interpretation is probably

715
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,119
more accurate, and I think that the more I listen

716
00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:54,320
to it, the more I'm like, Okay, I think I

717
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,199
get where she's coming from. But it's also weird. That

718
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,760
sounds like she said gods. But maybe you're right that

719
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,960
she's referencing these things.

720
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,519
Speaker 1: I think she's saying, like we worship the gods like money, security, etc.

721
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,639
But also, you know the story of Isaac that she's

722
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:11,840
talking about. A lot of atheists and people misinterpret that

723
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,960
the purpose of the passage is an anti human sacrifice message.

724
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:18,840
Yahweh is the deity that is not going to require

725
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:22,519
human sacrifices. And in fact, even the sacrifice of Christ,

726
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,880
the son of God, willingly taken on humanity and dying

727
00:36:26,039 --> 00:36:30,960
willingly isn't a human sacrifice that pacifies divine vengeance or

728
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:34,320
something like that. That's more of a pagan reading in that sense.

729
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:36,719
It's an end to the power of death, which we

730
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:40,079
believe is an unnatural power that Christ did as an

731
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:43,639
act of love, So far from it being one divine

732
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:46,599
person paying off an angry divine person in some sort

733
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:48,039
of zeus pagan.

734
00:36:47,679 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 2: Type of transaction.

735
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,119
Speaker 1: Orthodox Christianity and the Christianity the first thousand years has

736
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:55,840
always interpreted this as an action of love that's intended

737
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,760
to actually destroy the power of death and give us

738
00:36:58,840 --> 00:36:59,840
victory over death.

739
00:37:00,199 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 4: Well, and there's a difference between sacrificing yourself and sacrificing

740
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,679
somebody else, right, That I think is what sort of

741
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:10,119
disturbed me about is framing people who have been killed

742
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,519
in war as a sacrifice by the people who killed them.

743
00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:15,719
And it's like, you don't have a right to sacrifice

744
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,480
somebody else's life in the same way, you know, But

745
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,960
even you know, for the people that worshiped Molock, at

746
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:24,400
least it was their kid they're giving ostensibly. As horrifying

747
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,519
as that is, that's still a form of personal sacrifice.

748
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:30,719
But you know, just killing an enemy, I think portraying

749
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,320
that as sacrifice is a little bit, a little bit,

750
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,719
a little bit of an odd perspective.

751
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,039
Speaker 3: But anyway, I know that video has been going viral

752
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:39,320
and I didn't.

753
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 4: Play it to be like see Jews sacrifice you I

754
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,440
don't believe that, But it's just I've been seeing people

755
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,480
interpret it that way. And I don't think that's the

756
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,239
way it was meant to be interpreted. But I still

757
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,880
think it represents sort of a something that I wouldn't

758
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,440
when she says God's I think your interpretation's right. But

759
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,320
originally I heard it, and it's like, okay, if you

760
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,679
define Jews as one thing, it's the fact they believe

761
00:37:58,679 --> 00:38:01,119
in one God. It's kind of what they're all about. Actually,

762
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:03,480
it's kind of what made him, you know, totally different

763
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:05,679
than everybody else around them in ancient times. So it

764
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,519
was weird to me that she kept referencing gods. But

765
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:09,960
maybe you're right, she's refrescing just these things we almost

766
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:10,800
treat as gods.

767
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 2: I'd say, yeah, well, I.

768
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,159
Speaker 1: Mean you'll get as many Jews as you talk to,

769
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,280
that's as many Judaisms as you'll get. So I mean,

770
00:38:19,199 --> 00:38:22,719
and I mean, Judaism is an interesting The way it

771
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,679
functions is basically like you don't really question what the

772
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:30,239
rabbi says. So if your rabbi says this, and then

773
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,559
there's three rabbis down the road that contradict him, you

774
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:35,719
just go with your what your rabbi says, so you're

775
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,320
not really it's not really a religion predicated on this

776
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,440
the same ideas of we that we think of in

777
00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:45,119
terms of like objective truth, and everybody can be wrong,

778
00:38:45,199 --> 00:38:49,360
but this position is correct. It's a lot more, I

779
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,599
guess you could say it's dependent upon not just the

780
00:38:53,639 --> 00:38:57,840
rabbinical structure, but it's more so focused at worshiping the

781
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,039
idea of Judaism or the race of the people itself.

782
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,320
Particularly when we get to modern Zionism, that's a lot

783
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,880
more of an atheistic, socialistic type of movement.

784
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 2: And Moses has basically.

785
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:11,559
Speaker 1: Says that it's kind of a worship of the nation

786
00:39:11,679 --> 00:39:14,840
state itself, that's the real deity in terms of Zionism.

787
00:39:15,079 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 4: Right well, and on that note, you know that's obviously

788
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:19,559
another giant topic of conversation right now.

789
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 3: Soar from New York Post today.

790
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 4: Gen Z's casual anti semitism is growing seated by influencers

791
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,039
like Tucker Carlson. There's a video from earlier today, or

792
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:30,199
at least it was, you know, went viral earlier today.

793
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:32,360
I think it was maybe from a thing yesterday, clip

794
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,320
forty seven. Here this is the ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt

795
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,639
talking about the rise of anti Semitism, and I want

796
00:39:37,639 --> 00:39:41,039
to get your your take on this, not even necessarily

797
00:39:41,079 --> 00:39:43,079
a spiritual take, but just the geopolitical take of this,

798
00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:44,800
because I don't know what Israel's going to do at

799
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,480
this point. We've got, you know, maybe we'll just play

800
00:39:47,519 --> 00:39:49,599
some of these as as beruls, so we don't waste

801
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:52,000
your time going to these videos. But you know, Jonathan

802
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,639
Greenblatt was bemoaning the fact that they say half the

803
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:57,400
people in the world now are any Semitic, and the

804
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,519
children are even more anti Semitic than that. And then

805
00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:01,400
net Yat who's giving a speech to the UN and

806
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,239
everybody standing up and walking out. That's clip twenty four

807
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,639
if we want to play that as b rol. It

808
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:09,800
seems like Israel is losing all of its you know,

809
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:13,719
adherents or supporters around the world. Seems like they've got

810
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,880
the American Congress pretty locked down, but the American people

811
00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:20,880
are sort of slipping through their grip. And obviously Europe

812
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,239
is starting to recognize Palestine as a state and they've

813
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:27,800
cut off weapons transfers to them. How does this tie

814
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,480
into maybe some of the end time prophecies the world

815
00:40:31,559 --> 00:40:34,360
turning against Israel? And then geopolitically, how do you think

816
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,880
they're going to deal with this. I mean, it seems

817
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,360
like they are on a downward slope in terms of

818
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,480
anti Semitism, and nothing they're trying is reversing that trend.

819
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 3: What do you think comes next?

820
00:40:46,519 --> 00:40:49,599
Speaker 1: Well, I don't necessarily know that it relates to the

821
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:53,320
end times. I mean, it certainly could. But you know,

822
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,960
when you get into again the.

823
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:58,320
Speaker 2: Way that a lot of.

824
00:41:00,079 --> 00:41:03,159
Speaker 1: Israel functions in the modern world, it's it's it has

825
00:41:03,199 --> 00:41:07,159
a lot of parallels with kind of an organized crime structure.

826
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,239
So they have a kind of an organized crime government,

827
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,559
and you could say you have net Yahoo kind of

828
00:41:13,159 --> 00:41:16,199
heading up or a very important player in that. That's

829
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,119
why Israel has a tendency to protect a lot of

830
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,320
international criminals. And I'm speaking there at the government level,

831
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,320
but I think amongst the population there, I'm sure there's

832
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,079
quite a bit of diversity, and there are quite a

833
00:41:28,079 --> 00:41:32,760
few other people groups in Israel, for example, the so

834
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,360
it's not one size fits all, all collective thing. For example,

835
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,239
the third largest landowner in Israel is the Orthodox Church.

836
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:42,480
People don't know that, but it's the third largest lander

837
00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:44,679
and I'm sure that the Israeli government hates that and

838
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,639
probably wants to get rid of all of the you know.

839
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:48,519
Speaker 2: The churches.

840
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, they're taking churches and turning Christian quarters that

841
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:58,960
are historic districts into you know, gay bars and gay areas.

842
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,000
So what does that tell you? I mean, I think

843
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:06,079
that there's so many layers of this. First of all,

844
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:09,840
as Victor Ostrowski says, the former Masaud writer, he gave

845
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,639
a lecture that's still on YouTube, and he says that

846
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:16,400
the anti Semitism card is a card that's been played forever.

847
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,199
You know, it's you just roll that out, throw throw

848
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,320
that card down, just like when the left calls everybody

849
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,000
racist and hitler. And the problem is that that's not

850
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:27,039
working anymore because people, you know, you can kind of

851
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:31,199
use that up and it eventually loses its effect. Uh,

852
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,559
And so people don't really care about being called anti

853
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:36,840
Semitic anymore. And also people are figuring out that it's

854
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,320
it doesn't really consistently apply.

855
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:44,320
Speaker 2: You know. It's like, well, if you read Genesis.

856
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: Arabs or I guess you could say Muslims or you know,

857
00:42:47,039 --> 00:42:51,480
hagar writes or Hagarens, as the traditional Christian description calls them,

858
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,679
they are also Semitic peoples. So why is it that

859
00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:59,400
we get this sort of you know, group of people,

860
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:02,760
many of whom are actual much later Kazari and converts.

861
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,679
I'm not saying everybody. I know that there's Mizrahi, and

862
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,159
there's Sephardic, and there's Ashkenazi, and I'm aware of all that,

863
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:12,239
but obviously quite a few people are converts, and so

864
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,440
they're not technically.

865
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:14,159
Speaker 2: Speaking Semitic people.

866
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: So it's just sort of like laying claim to the

867
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,519
title of shim or Semite as if no one else

868
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,719
is of that genetic lineage. But then it can kind

869
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,920
of flip between a genetic description of a people group

870
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,239
and then flip over to a religious description so whenever

871
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,719
it needs. So it's kind of a morphous in that way.

872
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:37,280
But people i think are learning that if you look

873
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,920
at really serious rabbinic Judaism, I'm not saying every person

874
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,719
is bad, but the religion itself is very superstitious. It's

875
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,000
very cult like. If you look at the way that

876
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:53,039
you know, the Jewish areas function, where they will get

877
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:55,440
around the Sabbath rule by putting up a string around

878
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,840
the neighborhood so that you walk around inside on the

879
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,800
Sabbath even though or outside. But there's a string around

880
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,960
the neighborhood. So and there's all these sorts of like

881
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:07,719
tricks to trick God within actual rabbinic Judaism.

882
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: And the Internet is kind of making this.

883
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:15,079
Speaker 1: Easily accessible and well known when probably, you know, fifty

884
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:17,480
sixty years ago, people didn't really know that unless they

885
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,880
studied religion or went you know, into the Jewish district

886
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,679
or whatever in New York and saw at first hand.

887
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,239
So people are figuring out that a lot of what

888
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,880
they're told, especially say evangelical dispensationalists, so called Christians in America.

889
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:34,199
Speaker 2: That's all a hijacked thing that was.

890
00:44:34,159 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: Bought off and influenced by foreign lobby groups decades ago.

891
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,559
And that isn't Christianity. It's nothing to do with historic Christianity.

892
00:44:42,599 --> 00:44:46,880
It's a sect and it promotes and is there to

893
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:52,920
foist geopolitical ideas upon dumb Bible belt people. But that

894
00:44:53,159 --> 00:44:57,599
stranglehold is starting to break. So that's why people are

895
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:03,400
not caring about being called anti Semitic. The card has

896
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,760
been used too many times. And also Israel is brazenly

897
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:11,960
acting according to Talmudic principles by trying to get rid

898
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:15,119
of all the Palestinians and calling everyone amlek ameleik is

899
00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:20,599
the Old Testament enemy of Israel, who when the Jews

900
00:45:20,639 --> 00:45:24,920
were traveling, the Amelek killed the people who were at

901
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,960
the back, like the women and the children. And so

902
00:45:27,679 --> 00:45:31,880
amlek is then a perpetual term for anyone who is

903
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,239
an opponent of Israel or a design a state in

904
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,960
this case, and so they're all called amlek, and thus

905
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,360
they're able to be eradicated. And I think Netanya who

906
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:46,000
made reference to this right before there was the movements

907
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,440
in terms of getting rid of the people in Gaza

908
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:51,039
of a year or two ago whenever that was Yeah,

909
00:45:51,519 --> 00:45:55,079
that's so that that all plays into what is going

910
00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:58,880
on here. And then you have actual people who are

911
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,559
going too far to there and then thinking that they

912
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:05,239
have been a right to hate all Jewish people or

913
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,599
to hate an entire group of people, which is not correct.

914
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:10,880
And both of these things can be true. You can

915
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,239
have a religion that is false, that is like a cult.

916
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,119
And at the same time, as Christians, we're not allowed

917
00:46:17,159 --> 00:46:20,400
to hate these people. We have to love and hope

918
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,559
for repentance and salvation, as Paul talks about in Romans

919
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:24,360
nine through eleven.

920
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 4: For Jews as well, yeah, absolutely, Yeah, And what I

921
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,599
was going to say is that, yeah, I believe the

922
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,119
statement from nannyahoo Are calling his enemies Amelek was like

923
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,360
used as evidence in his trial for genocide, going, look,

924
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,039
this is what this means, because that's you know, the

925
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,199
how the Bible uses or you know, refers to Amelek

926
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,000
destroy them, all of them, you know, men, women, and child,

927
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:48,119
and you know the reason why these things used to work.

928
00:46:48,159 --> 00:46:50,840
They don't work as well now. But for the most part,

929
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,360
especially American people, we're actually genuinely good people. We don't

930
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,480
want to be mean, we don't want to be, you know,

931
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,159
enemies of anybody. So when you're told something is racist,

932
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,599
most people really genuinely go, oh gee, well I don't

933
00:47:01,599 --> 00:47:03,400
want to be racist. I better avoid that. I'm not

934
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,480
anti Semitic, I would you know, I don't hate the Jews.

935
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,079
I better not say that right now. But then it

936
00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:09,239
gets used so much, and it gets used. I've got

937
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,360
videos today the head of the Massad saying, you know,

938
00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:14,360
talk about Jeffrey Epstein being a part of Masad makes

939
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:16,320
you anti Semitic. And it's like you say that enough

940
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,559
and people stop taking it seriously or they embrace it.

941
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:21,159
And they go, you're gonna keep calling me to asom

942
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,199
I guess I am an anti Semite, And I of

943
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course think that's just you're just letting your mind be

944
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controlled again by really the same forces. It's just you're

945
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allowing it to control the opposite way than people who

946
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:36,519
you know, really are scared of that, of that term

947
00:47:36,599 --> 00:47:39,639
and shy away from it. But we have to be

948
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able to talk about this, and I think that's the

949
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big issue and why I sort of almost have a

950
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responsibility to talk about it because we can't.

951
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Speaker 3: We're not going to come to any solutions.

952
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Speaker 4: And it's obviously not good for anybody, least of all

953
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the Jews when you know they're you know, anti Semitism

954
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:56,840
is being used to protect the Jeffrey Epstein pedophile connections.

955
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,719
Like we have to be able to talk about this openly,

956
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,079
we have to be able to see it with And

957
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I've always said, you know, I treat extremist Jews like

958
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:07,079
I treat extremist Christians, Like, Yeah, every religion has people

959
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sort of on that far into the spectrum, and it's

960
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,599
one of the peoples in that religion to go, hey,

961
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that's not us. I'm not Westboro Baptist Church. Okay, I

962
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,960
want nothing to do with them. They can call themselves

963
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Christians all they want, but that ain't me all right,

964
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:21,960
And drawing that distinction I think is important. And again,

965
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,760
obviously this conversation is a difficult one and it's one

966
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,639
that really doesn't happen around the country. How do you

967
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:30,960
think we have this conversation in a way that is

968
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,880
productive and is not reductive and is not in with

969
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,519
people going you're gonna call me an as might I

970
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,920
guess I am now, because again I don't think that's

971
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:40,400
that's valuable or helpful at all.

972
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Speaker 1: Well, the problem is this is a nuanced discussion, and

973
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,159
a lot of people just do to everybody kind of

974
00:48:47,199 --> 00:48:50,320
being dumbed down, don't want to be nuanced. And I

975
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,719
think a lot of people also want people to be radicalized,

976
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:58,719
because there's a lot of advantage that can be had

977
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:02,400
through radicalizing people. And so the more radical people become

978
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,119
in these positions or in these attitudes, then you get

979
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justification for the reactions.

980
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:08,639
Speaker 2: Right.

981
00:49:08,679 --> 00:49:11,199
Speaker 1: So it's a kind of a problem reaction solution situation

982
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,840
to where the more people begin to, you know, think that, oh, well,

983
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:20,440
if I'm going to criticize Israel or not Y'ah here

984
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,039
or whatever, and then I get called anti Semitic.

985
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:23,519
Speaker 2: Then I guess I'll just be in seminical. I guess

986
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:24,360
I'll like Hitler now, right.

987
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 1: So it just sort of pushes people into these extremes,

988
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,159
and then that extreme can be exploited and can be

989
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:35,960
capitalized upon. And ironically, the more people adopt the Hilarian perspective,

990
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:40,000
the more people in Israel will then feel justified in

991
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:42,960
their counter reaction to that. So it's a problem reaction

992
00:49:43,159 --> 00:49:50,079
dialectic that necessitates one another. And you know, it's the

993
00:49:50,119 --> 00:49:53,559
same when people ask and try to get me arguing

994
00:49:53,559 --> 00:49:56,960
about the issue between Oh, it's so, who do you

995
00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,920
like Palestinians and Hamas or do you like, you know,

996
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:03,119
Zionism and Yahoo. And I'm like, well, you don't think

997
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:07,599
I can from a real, sincere nuanced position criticize both

998
00:50:07,639 --> 00:50:09,679
of these positions and say that I'm.

999
00:50:09,519 --> 00:50:11,159
Speaker 2: Not really into either one.

1000
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: And I would have a long time ago, maybe ten

1001
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,840
years ago, probably been more on the side of the

1002
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,199
the Hamas side of things, not because I am pro Homasra,

1003
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:25,159
but I was ignorant of Islam. And it took me

1004
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,320
the last seven years of debating a lot of the

1005
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,480
top Muslims and studying Islam pretty in depth. Right now

1006
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:34,039
on my channel, we're lecturing through an FBI consultant's book

1007
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:38,920
on al Qaeda. And you know, and I'm not saying

1008
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,480
I don't believe the nine to eleven, you know, conspiracy narrative.

1009
00:50:42,519 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 2: I do. I think it was a conspiracy. But that

1010
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:45,000
doesn't make it.

1011
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: Even if Islam and Islamic radicals who happen to be

1012
00:50:48,519 --> 00:50:54,280
CIA proxy soldiers like ka, even if they're the ones

1013
00:50:54,599 --> 00:50:57,119
that are sort of the front group and they're Muslims,

1014
00:50:57,159 --> 00:50:59,400
like that doesn't make Islam good, am My, you know

1015
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,480
what I mean. It's like if I'm an orthodoxtrician, I

1016
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:07,320
have a long pedigree of opposing both Rabbinic Judaism and Islam.

1017
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 2: They're both wrong.

1018
00:51:08,639 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: But these dialectics entrap so many people, and unfortunately there's

1019
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:13,559
just no way to.

1020
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 2: Talk about this topic without being nuanced.

1021
00:51:15,639 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: But most people don't want to be nuanced, and most

1022
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,920
people in the power structure in these different systems want

1023
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,519
people to be radicalized and not nuanced.

1024
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 2: And a lot of these people don't even care that

1025
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:27,199
you're going to.

1026
00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 4: Be nuanced, right, right, And they're just going to assert

1027
00:51:30,039 --> 00:51:34,159
things regardless, and yeah, the false dichotomy kills me. It's

1028
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:36,840
it's you know, I had somebody I said something good

1029
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,159
about Charlie Kirk, obviously because he was a great man.

1030
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:42,360
And you know, I had somebody who generally agrees with

1031
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:43,880
me on the topic of Israel.

1032
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,039
Speaker 3: Go, oh, but he was a pro Zionist. How can

1033
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:47,039
you be sad for him?

1034
00:51:47,079 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 4: And it's like, you think that's how I see the

1035
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,880
world through that dialectic, through that dichotomy. Either you're you know,

1036
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,239
a Zionist and deserve death, or you're an anti Zionist

1037
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,760
and I'm on you. It's like, no, no, no, I

1038
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,400
can have I can pick my own side, thank you

1039
00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,559
very much. And it's the American Christian side, And yeah,

1040
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:05,559
I got I got problems with both as well. Again,

1041
00:52:05,599 --> 00:52:09,840
it's it's sort of a difficult to discussion happening. It's like,

1042
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,440
we have to have this discussion. We have to recognize that,

1043
00:52:12,559 --> 00:52:15,679
like you, Christianity and Judaism are in fact two different religions.

1044
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,800
I don't know why people can't don't see they're recognize.

1045
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 3: That, but it's true, and you know, you got to

1046
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:21,199
you gotta deal.

1047
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,199
Speaker 1: With it, just like Islam and Christianity are also too

1048
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,199
irresolvably different religions. I mean, first of all, Christianity teaches

1049
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,559
number one to Trinity and the Deed of Christ. That

1050
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,639
right away tells you that the deity of Islam and

1051
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,039
Judaism are different. Right And by the way, Islam and

1052
00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:43,400
Judaism do not believe that Christians have the same deity.

1053
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:47,079
So those two religions do not believe there is a

1054
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:52,159
Judeo Christian or Islamo Christian parallel synthetic thing that we

1055
00:52:52,199 --> 00:52:53,119
could could erect.

1056
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:54,639
Speaker 4: But they're trying to merge them. We all have a

1057
00:52:54,679 --> 00:52:56,960
minute left. This is like the biggest topic in the world.

1058
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,840
But they're trying to merge these right there. You know,

1059
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,159
the part of the New World Order is to combine

1060
00:53:02,159 --> 00:53:03,480
all three Abrahamic face.

1061
00:53:03,679 --> 00:53:05,519
Speaker 3: How close do you think they are to that goal.

1062
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: Well, it's a challenge to get people on board with that.

1063
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,599
And you know, the more that all the foundations think

1064
00:53:12,639 --> 00:53:16,599
takes and the power leads push the ecumenist New World

1065
00:53:16,599 --> 00:53:21,159
Religion agenda. You know, they they put a lot of

1066
00:53:21,199 --> 00:53:23,960
money into it. They build the Abrahamic Faith Center in

1067
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:26,000
Abu Dhabi, and they get the Pope on board and

1068
00:53:26,039 --> 00:53:28,880
he comes and blesses it, and I mean, it's just

1069
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,119
it's difficult to get and I'm just going to be

1070
00:53:33,159 --> 00:53:35,559
frank here with a lot of say Muslims, you have

1071
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:38,719
a lot of people who believe Islam in countries where

1072
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:42,519
the IQ is around eighty uh so you're you're not

1073
00:53:42,639 --> 00:53:44,840
going to get a lot of nuance out of people

1074
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:48,719
with ad i Q and places like Pakistan and Somalia,

1075
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,880
and so you know, it's a challenge to get everybody

1076
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,880
on board with a new age religion in a lot

1077
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:00,960
of different ways. And there are a lot of Muslims are.

1078
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:03,159
Speaker 4: Our structure that they that they you know, as long

1079
00:54:03,199 --> 00:54:05,960
as the you know, the Saudi Arabian clerics are down

1080
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:07,639
with it, then everybody downstream will be.

1081
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: Man.

1082
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 3: I can talk to you forever.

1083
00:54:09,079 --> 00:54:12,440
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