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Speaker 2: how are you, brother?
Speaker 3: I am doing fantastic. Thanks for having me back on. Guys,
Speaker 3: it's been like you said, it's been a while, but
Speaker 3: I got a bit of a story, a bit of
Speaker 3: a doozy to lay on you, so I think I'll
Speaker 3: keep everybody quite interested in this one.
Speaker 4: Dude, I'm excited, honestly.
Speaker 2: I know we kind of had a little bit of
Speaker 2: correspond beforehand, but also today has been one of those
Speaker 2: days where my brain has been eighteen different places at
Speaker 2: any given time, So I'm kind of coming out of
Speaker 2: this one fish out of water right now.
Speaker 4: So I'm excited.
Speaker 5: Man, perfect, perfect, No.
Speaker 3: And that's great because if you don't really know much,
Speaker 3: that means, of course your listeners.
Speaker 5: Don't know much. So I'm just gonna lay it all
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 3: So, like I said, we're kind of talking before here,
Speaker 3: that this what I'm going to talk about is loosely
Speaker 3: based on a Quentin Tarantino film. Okay, one of probably
Speaker 3: my favorites, which is from dust Still d On And
Speaker 3: I say very loosely, but this is you know, they
Speaker 3: derive the films somewhat from this, uh, this cult, this
Speaker 3: vampiric blood drinking. I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 3: to give out too much right now, but we'll just
Speaker 3: keep it like that, okay. And it's here in Mexico
Speaker 3: is where it all takes place, so I can just
Speaker 3: jump right in if you guys want.
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Speaker 2: about this vampire cult out of Mexico.
Speaker 3: Out of Mexico, Central Mexico is where this story takes place.
Speaker 5: And it actually starts in the early.
Speaker 3: Nineteen sixties, okay, And the story was relayed almost in
Speaker 3: real time of when these events were happening.
Speaker 5: There was this young girl who had been sold.
Speaker 3: Into sexual slavery and she had met this young American
Speaker 3: boy and he took a liking to her, but it
Speaker 3: was platonic. It wasn't anything like what she was being
Speaker 3: hired out for. They became friends and she passed along
Speaker 3: this information is what was happening in her little town,
Speaker 3: and he was taking notes. So with these notes and
Speaker 3: the police and military reports, we're able to actually get
Speaker 3: a pretty clear picture.
Speaker 5: Of this horrific story, horrific events.
Speaker 4: Okay, there's military reports and police.
Speaker 5: Reports, military and police.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you'll find out why at the end. So
Speaker 3: this all started in the small village called Urba Buena,
Speaker 3: and your bubuena means good herb.
Speaker 5: In Spanish. So and I'll explain why that got its name.
Speaker 3: And that's in San Luis Potosi, like I said, in
Speaker 3: central Mexico. But before we go all there into this location,
Speaker 3: we have to start at the Hernandez brothers. Okay, So
Speaker 3: there's the two brothers named Santos and Cayotano, and they
Speaker 3: were lifelong scam artists, con men, like I said, pretty
Speaker 3: much for their whole live gotch Yeah, they had pretty
Speaker 3: much been driven out from every town that they went into,
Speaker 3: and they had just left their last the last town
Speaker 3: that they had just you know, conned and they're driving
Speaker 3: along and they come across this little tiny town and
Speaker 3: like I said, this, this town was called urba Winna,
Speaker 3: which means good herb, and it's it was believe that
Speaker 3: it got its name because some of the cartels used
Speaker 3: to grow their product there, but they had been run
Speaker 3: out by the federalies and this town had been seeded
Speaker 3: now with a bunch of.
Speaker 5: Indigenous people. So the government kind of like takes a
Speaker 5: bunch of people, puts them into a.
Speaker 3: Certain area and grow prosper You have free land, but
Speaker 3: you need the you need to grow. I think they're
Speaker 3: growing beans there for the olies and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Sounds very much like Joseph Smith minus the natives. He
Speaker 2: had a whole different opinion on the natives in his side.
Speaker 2: But yeah, as far as like a common they got
Speaker 2: kicked out of every town, found this little podunk spot
Speaker 2: and was like, ah, I have seen the light.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly it.
Speaker 3: So in this town there was about twenty families proxy
Speaker 3: mely about seventy five people in total. They had no electricity,
Speaker 3: no school, no church, which pretty much meant no contact
Speaker 3: from the outside world. So they didn't know who these
Speaker 3: people were. No education, and because of no organized religion
Speaker 3: to keep them here, they were easily corruptible. Yeah, So
Speaker 3: the two brothers came into this town and they posed
Speaker 3: as ancient prophets of ancient Inca gods. And if you
Speaker 3: know your history well and your geography, you'll know that
Speaker 3: Inca gods or the Incan Empire didn't exist in Mexico,
Speaker 3: not even a little bit.
Speaker 5: Not even a little bit. Yeah, more of like central
Speaker 5: and southern America, you.
Speaker 2: Know, pre Yeah, around the Yucatan Peninsula, nowhere near mainland Mexico.
Speaker 3: Well, the the peninsula actually is Mayan. That's all MAYANSI
Speaker 3: we're gonna go, Yeah, we're gonna go much more self for.
Speaker 5: The for the Inca.
Speaker 3: So they portrayed themselves as these priests, and they told
Speaker 3: the villagers that they were priests or prophets of the
Speaker 3: ancient Inca gods, and they were there to pave the
Speaker 3: way for their return of these Incan gods. And they
Speaker 3: were there to also recover gold that had been hidden
Speaker 3: in the caves, because in the area that they were
Speaker 3: there was a lot of mountains and a lot of caves.
Speaker 3: So there this gold was hidden in these caves centuries
Speaker 3: earlier and we're here to recover it for the coming
Speaker 3: of these gods.
Speaker 5: So what they did is they promised.
Speaker 3: The villagers some of this hidden treasure in the mountains
Speaker 3: in exchange for money.
Speaker 5: But of course these villagers.
Speaker 2: Don't really have right it was there actually, like historically speaking,
Speaker 2: did somebody actually hide gold in these caves?
Speaker 4: There was all a part of the con It was
Speaker 4: all bullshit, gotcha.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all part of the comp But these people, like
Speaker 3: I said, were simple. We'll just say they're simple people,
Speaker 3: you know, didn't have much education, easily convinced about this. Sure,
Speaker 3: so they said, you know, we're going to take some
Speaker 3: money in exchange. But of course, like I said, this
Speaker 3: this town, they didn't have much money. So they also
Speaker 3: accepted worship and tributes. Okay, and worship and tributes would
Speaker 3: be such as drugs, alcohol, and women.
Speaker 4: It had to be sexual favors.
Speaker 6: I didn't sales, like it has to be virgins or women.
Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah, that's that's pretty much where it goes to.
Speaker 3: So the brothers lived in this They moved into one
Speaker 3: of these little huts. It was built with sticks and mud,
Speaker 3: and the one that they took over was abandoned. It
Speaker 3: was below one of these mountains that had all the
Speaker 3: caves in it. So they took over this and the
Speaker 3: locals would come with offerings to them, and the brothers
Speaker 3: then started making these crazy rituals that involved a lot
Speaker 3: of incense, and then they started actually sacrificing animals, and
Speaker 3: this was more of a performance so that the locals
Speaker 3: then would be more convinced of their supernatural power. Sure,
Speaker 3: and like I said, the villagers offered drugs and alcohol,
Speaker 3: and sadly, they actually.
Speaker 5: Offered their young daughters to the brothers.
Speaker 3: Many of the many of the girls didn't want didn't
Speaker 3: want this, and they're looking for their mothers for protection,
Speaker 3: but the mothers were powerless and pretty much the fathers
Speaker 3: had already started to become part of this cult, this
Speaker 3: drug case, drug crazed cult. So it's sad. And that's
Speaker 3: where this one girl that I was mentioning earlier, where
Speaker 3: she was passing on this information, she was offered and
Speaker 3: the Hernandez brothers had taken her away and sold her
Speaker 3: as a sex slave, you know, getting money that way
Speaker 3: as well.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sixties, this is in the sixties, early sixties.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people think that the whole human trafficking thing that
Speaker 2: we have. It's such a buzzword topic these days, and
Speaker 2: it needs to be don't get me wrong, but a
Speaker 2: lot of people think this only came about in the
Speaker 2: last few decades. It's like, no, no, this has been
Speaker 2: a thing since arguably the beginning of time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree completely.
Speaker 3: This has always been around and people are like, well,
Speaker 3: not where I'm.
Speaker 5: At or not this it's everywhere everywhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you look hard enough, you can find it everywhere.
Speaker 3: And so this kind of thing that they were doing,
Speaker 3: you know, these rituals sacrificing. It went on for a
Speaker 3: few weeks and then a few months, and then even
Speaker 3: this was going on for even a year. And then
Speaker 3: during this time they actually picked a couple of villagers
Speaker 3: to serve them, to kind of like be part of
Speaker 3: their group and keep the other villagers in line. One
Speaker 3: of those was Jesus Roberio, and Hazu's pretty much figured
Speaker 3: out at the beginning that this was all bullshit, This
Speaker 3: is a scam, and he just actually he wanted in.
Speaker 5: He's like, I want to be part of this.
Speaker 3: I want to be getting the alcohol, the drugs and
Speaker 3: the women as well. So so that was going on
Speaker 3: it was, like I said, it was about a year.
Speaker 3: And after about a year this the treasure. Of course,
Speaker 3: there's no treasure, and the skepticism started to grow amongst
Speaker 3: the villagers.
Speaker 5: So the brothers then realized that.
Speaker 3: They needed to step this up and they needed to
Speaker 3: like take this to the next level. So what they
Speaker 3: did is they drove out to Monterey. While they're gone, they.
Speaker 2: They that's in California, or is it so in Mexico.
Speaker 5: Nope, that's in Mexico as well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they drove to Monterey in Mexico and they
Speaker 3: kept they told Jesus, you're in charge while we're away.
Speaker 3: And what they did is that they tried locating a
Speaker 3: prostitute that would be in to portray a priestess and
Speaker 3: they stumbled upon Magdalena Solis and her brother Ellis Ella's Lasar.
Speaker 3: And so it's unknown actually if they knew them before this.
Speaker 3: But at this point though, this is when things really
Speaker 3: start to escalate. And to be honest, I actually don't
Speaker 3: know why the brothers just didn't like skip town. At
Speaker 3: this point, you know, it's been a year. They're not
Speaker 3: really making any money off of these people, but.
Speaker 2: Nor are they gonna there's no money in the town,
Speaker 2: there's no industry in the town. So it's you've had
Speaker 2: your good run. You could absolutely skip town and try
Speaker 2: again somewhere else.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I my guess is they like the
Speaker 3: being worshiped, the power exactly, the power over all these people,
Speaker 3: and to be.
Speaker 5: Put up on a pedestal.
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna I'm gonna give you guys a little
Speaker 3: bit of background about Magdalena. Now, Magdalena was born sometime
Speaker 3: in nineteen forty seven, poor and she lived in a
Speaker 3: village of Tamilupis in Mexico. And at a young age
Speaker 3: she started being a prostitute.
Speaker 5: And her pimp was her brother, which is yeah, great,
Speaker 5: that's the thing. Yeah yeah, So.
Speaker 3: Aliasar was her pimp, that's her brother, and she also
Speaker 3: had a She also was a fortune teller, kind of
Speaker 3: a medium, and she claimed to channel these long.
Speaker 5: Dead, which is Brujas as they call him.
Speaker 3: So she would channel these and people would come around
Speaker 3: and pay her some money to do this. So they
Speaker 3: convinced her to come and she was about I think
Speaker 3: she was about sixteen years old, and this was she's
Speaker 3: she decided to go with them. And at this point
Speaker 3: though after like discussing the whole plan.
Speaker 5: One of them really that Inca weren't.
Speaker 3: From Mexico, so they decided to switch it up at
Speaker 3: this point to go with az Tech.
Speaker 5: That is correct for central Mexico.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct, but you're also a year late on that.
Speaker 2: But I mean, did the people did the villagers even
Speaker 2: realize that that's what happened or they just kind of like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: he's always said as tech.
Speaker 4: They gas led them that hard.
Speaker 3: They just they just went with it like it Yeah.
Speaker 3: Like I said, these people were quite simple and so
Speaker 3: so what they originally what they were going to do
Speaker 3: was Magdalena was going to pose as a famous resurrected
Speaker 3: Mexican faith healer, but that kind of fell through. So
Speaker 3: they decided that she would be a priestess of the
Speaker 3: Aztec goddess qualite Q, and qualita Q was the fertility
Speaker 3: goddess ASTech fertility goddess and I'm butchering that.
Speaker 5: Name, bro.
Speaker 4: I can't even try to pronounce so many of these.
Speaker 2: In to the the one got it's clock alock hole
Speaker 2: and it's like, I'm sorry, the the fucking what now?
Speaker 4: So you're good?
Speaker 6: We we were terrible.
Speaker 5: Like cuckoo cut dude.
Speaker 2: We did an episode on Ancient Adrenochrome. This was years
Speaker 2: ago when we're talking about the the Aztecs in particular,
Speaker 2: because they would do the live sacrifices and cut out
Speaker 2: the still beating heart with obsidian blades.
Speaker 4: Right. Well, there was this one sacrifice that they would
Speaker 4: do once.
Speaker 2: A year where they had this deity and again if
Speaker 2: I try to pronounce it, it's going to sound like gibbish,
Speaker 2: but whatever, and they would have this dude dressed as
Speaker 2: this god and throughout the day for forty days, he
Speaker 2: would go throughout the town drink and dance and fuck
Speaker 2: whatever he wanted.
Speaker 4: It was all finding good.
Speaker 2: But every night he had to be kept in a
Speaker 2: cage because at the end of those forty days, he
Speaker 2: was going to be sacrificed to you know, release the
Speaker 2: spirit from this human form, all the things. If he
Speaker 2: ever fell out of not wanting to do this anymore,
Speaker 2: they would take the daggers and wash them and it
Speaker 2: was called the washing.
Speaker 4: Of the obsidian blades.
Speaker 2: And they would make a basically a cocaw drink with
Speaker 2: the blood from these obsidian daggers. And I'm just saying
Speaker 2: as far as adrenalized blood goes. I have a weird
Speaker 2: feeling that the blood on these obsidian blades was super adrenalizing,
Speaker 2: as how it was all of live sacrifices and shit,
Speaker 2: And there is at least some credibility to say that
Speaker 2: this might have been the earliest form of like ancient
Speaker 2: dirty adrenochrome hits that was being given.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: So yeah, we talked about these deities and some of
Speaker 2: these practices at one point in time, and there's no
Speaker 2: way to pronounce this shit. I'm sorry, I barely speak
Speaker 2: American English for fuck's sakes. I mean, it is what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 3: And what's crazy is the further we go here, you're
Speaker 3: gonna see some similarities as we're talking what you're talking about,
Speaker 3: and we can go deeper into that like that.
Speaker 5: That's that's definitely something we can.
Speaker 3: Talk about a little bit further. As it does, it
Speaker 3: it gets it gets dirty.
Speaker 2: We already have a sixteen year old prostitute claiming to
Speaker 2: be a priest and these dudes are getting offered up
Speaker 2: the young girls.
Speaker 4: I mean, like, yeah, we're just there, We're going.
Speaker 5: Deep exactly exactly.
Speaker 3: So back to that, So they had rived back to
Speaker 3: the village, their brothers did, and they told all the
Speaker 3: villagers that their goddess would be arriving at night, so
Speaker 3: they had to perform a ritual to summon her.
Speaker 5: So in the evening they all went to one of
Speaker 5: these caves and.
Speaker 3: The brothers got all the villagers to participate in this ritual.
Speaker 3: What they did is they used fireworks and pyrotechnics to
Speaker 3: like produce this thick cloud of smoke. And of course,
Speaker 3: like I said, these villagers were like unlearned simple folk.
Speaker 3: To them, this was this wasn't magic. This was like
Speaker 3: legit god workings of the gods. So wow, when all
Speaker 3: the smoke disappeared, there she was standing there. Magdalena was
Speaker 3: standing there, and she was dressed. They had her dress
Speaker 3: up like a an Aztec goddess and the villagers bought it, hook, poke,
Speaker 3: line and sink her. And now the villagers also believed
Speaker 3: that her brother Eliazar was the reincarnation of Saint Francis.
Speaker 5: I don't know as cecis, Yes, I don't know. Fuck
Speaker 5: where did that come in.
Speaker 3: But everybody just kind of the brothers in Las r
Speaker 3: and Magdalena, they just okay and they went with it.
Speaker 2: Anybody who doesn't know, Saint Francis of a Cisi if
Speaker 2: you've ever been to pretty much all hospitals who have
Speaker 2: like a statue of a monk with the birds all
Speaker 2: around him, and shit, that's him. That's the guy. That's why,
Speaker 2: like Franciscan monks are a thing. They all follow his tutelage.
Speaker 2: So like, hold on, how and why did that? Yeah,
Speaker 2: we got an Aztec goddess and Saint Francis of a
Speaker 2: cec They popped up in the smoke, as do they do?
Speaker 3: You know, all right of course, and and they actually
Speaker 3: don't go into any more detail about that that that
Speaker 3: just kind of that actual information just kind of falls
Speaker 3: away to a wayside, so as to what he did
Speaker 3: as it went on, they just like.
Speaker 5: That's it. It's tell yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, like I was saying, like all the villagers just
Speaker 3: accepted them as what they claim to be. You know
Speaker 3: that one year has passed and you know things weren't producing,
Speaker 3: but now oh they're they're all reinvigorated with this.
Speaker 5: So it's like and again I just want to go back.
Speaker 3: It's it's curious and just challenging to try to understand
Speaker 3: what the brothers expected to gain from these farmers.
Speaker 5: And again, like I know, it's.
Speaker 3: The the worship, but there was still was nothing else.
Speaker 3: It was just this sense of being worshiped.
Speaker 5: I guess right.
Speaker 3: You know, that really goes to show you how our
Speaker 3: mentality is now these days as well, Like you look
Speaker 3: at so many people are being worshiped that that just
Speaker 3: shouldn't be, you know, like the the Kardashians and shit
Speaker 3: like that. People just worship these people and they're they're useless.
Speaker 5: They're useless, they're.
Speaker 3: Wasted, waste of space in my opinion, but people just
Speaker 3: go they just follow them, Yeah whatever, sure, so yeah,
Speaker 3: so like, uh so Magdalena kind of started introducing new
Speaker 3: things into this craziness. Like, of cour of course they
Speaker 3: were already doing animal sacrifices, but in these these rituals,
Speaker 3: she's actually started introducing sexual acts as well.
Speaker 4: What kind of animals do we know?
Speaker 3: So I do know that there was like chickens and
Speaker 3: goats as well.
Speaker 2: Okay, pretty typical as far as the sacrificial things in
Speaker 2: that section of the world goes. I'm just curious if
Speaker 2: they were like doing any kind of crazy exotic shit
Speaker 2: or something. So all right, chickens and goats for the
Speaker 2: most part, all right, and so now we got sex
Speaker 2: magic making its appearance, because clearly.
Speaker 5: Magic, yep.
Speaker 3: And then they she they started actually drinking the blood
Speaker 3: of the sacrificed animals, and they were mixing in with
Speaker 3: the blood payota and marijuana as well.
Speaker 7: Because yeah, having great time. This dudes, they know how
Speaker 7: to party. The sixteen year old knows how to get down.
Speaker 2: I guess well, I mean she has been hooking since
Speaker 2: god knows when. And she's also claiming that she's a
Speaker 2: medium speaking to dead blue haws, so like, and we
Speaker 2: were just rolling.
Speaker 6: Deep fucking wilding out, damn.
Speaker 2: And I mean I could also see this village who yeah,
Speaker 2: we're only talking about maybe seven under under one hundred people, right,
Speaker 2: and they have been doing the monotonous day in and
Speaker 2: day out operations of this place for god knows how long.
Speaker 2: Then you got these two out of towners come in
Speaker 2: and if nothing else is it's exciting.
Speaker 7: It's something that's something brand new and exciting and like
Speaker 7: gives them a gives them a reason to be able
Speaker 7: to lose their amhibitions.
Speaker 2: Then they see the smoke and the pirate techniques, they're like,
Speaker 2: oh shit, they're real.
Speaker 4: Oh man, Okay, all right, this is cool.
Speaker 6: And so down God's telling me to fuck so, like,
Speaker 6: I guess we got.
Speaker 2: Animals that the goddess that's trying to hook a couple
Speaker 2: of people.
Speaker 7: Like alright, I guess old Betty be looking all good
Speaker 7: down the street.
Speaker 6: I've been watching for you.
Speaker 4: Know, my whole life, looking like Becky with the good hair.
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, this ship here anyway when.
Speaker 5: You're talking like, yeah, we're talking orgies. That's what it
Speaker 5: is got to.
Speaker 3: Of course, now Magdalena, though, over some time, she's actually
Speaker 3: buying into this herself, like to the point that this
Speaker 3: isn't a con anymore.
Speaker 5: She's actually believing this.
Speaker 3: So it's like this full blown psychosis where she is
Speaker 3: she is now like yeah, I'm this priestess, but it's
Speaker 3: getting to the point where she actually believes she's the goddess.
Speaker 6: Wait a minute, I wouldn't doubt it.
Speaker 2: You mean, the sixteen year old forced sex worker who
Speaker 2: also claimed was a medium may not be all mentally
Speaker 2: there and hi.
Speaker 6: As a motherfucker.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's you know, all right, I.
Speaker 6: Wouldn't be surprised. I had a feeling it was going
Speaker 6: to go this route.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so she committed to the bit too hard, things
Speaker 2: got a little too meta, and so she is completely
Speaker 2: taken in with all of it.
Speaker 5: All right, she's mind it.
Speaker 3: And that takes us to the point of with them
Speaker 3: doing all these actual rituals that they just brought up,
Speaker 3: you know, they just created, perhaps they really are channeling
Speaker 3: like you know, it's kind of it's subconsciously they're being
Speaker 3: driven in this way to do these acts because they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: we're getting all this, but I actually believe that they're
Speaker 3: channeling these entities, and these entities are taking control is
Speaker 3: kind of what's happening. So and Magdalena is actually, even
Speaker 3: at this point through this full bull in psychosis, is
Speaker 3: taking control of everything, and one event happens where she
Speaker 3: takes over. So now what happened is that again, nothing
Speaker 3: is really happening other than these rituals, sex, magic, everything else,
Speaker 3: these sacrifices, but there's.
Speaker 5: Still no gold.
Speaker 3: So a couple of the villagers are starting to, you know,
Speaker 3: not they start questioning the acts and things that.
Speaker 5: Are being done.
Speaker 3: They're not buying into that. And the brothers were actually
Speaker 3: at this point almost ready to leave. They're about like, okay,
Speaker 3: we're done, but Magdalena said no, no, no, I got this.
Speaker 5: She had another one.
Speaker 3: Of her rituals with Pyote and the orgies and animal
Speaker 3: sacrificing and blood drinking.
Speaker 5: But during this specific ritual, she.
Speaker 3: Said, the gods told her that there are doubters in
Speaker 3: the village, and she pointed out the two and what
Speaker 3: happened is they actually just proceeded to murder them right
Speaker 3: in front of everyone.
Speaker 6: Wow, good way to silence.
Speaker 2: The two con men that started this whole cult became
Speaker 2: the first two human victims of this cult's violence.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 7: These were the random villagers that two people decided they
Speaker 7: started to catch on that, like where's the gold?
Speaker 6: And so she.
Speaker 2: Sewed them out. When you said they were pretty much
Speaker 2: done and about ready to kick town.
Speaker 7: She made she made an example of them to shut
Speaker 7: everybody else up. So she killed them to make sure
Speaker 7: to make you know, no one else is going to
Speaker 7: ask any more questions.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, because like so you weressuming it was the brothers,
Speaker 3: because the brothers whenever this kind of stuffs, when is
Speaker 3: this scent starts to happen in other towns, they would
Speaker 3: be like, yeah, it's time for us to jet.
Speaker 5: But Magdalena was like, I got this, gotcha.
Speaker 6: You know, where's her brother in all of St.
Speaker 4: Francis, He's right there, Francis.
Speaker 5: He he takes a back seat to pretty much everything.
Speaker 3: And like, like I said, the only reason I say
Speaker 3: that is because there is not much information.
Speaker 7: He must have just been reaping the benefits. And it's
Speaker 7: totally cool here being like off her rocker.
Speaker 4: So I'm sure he is a part of the orgies.
Speaker 2: And you know, the sacrifices given, the blessings to the
Speaker 2: bitches and the hose and all the things, all the stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, as one does.
Speaker 3: As you do, right, And so she murders like and
Speaker 3: the others actually murdered these like I said, uh, these
Speaker 3: two other villagers. And then she takes the cup that
Speaker 3: they've been drinking the the chicken blood from, and she
Speaker 3: starts collecting the blood from the dead villain and starts
Speaker 3: drinking that.
Speaker 5: So this is kind of like the tie in where
Speaker 5: you're saying, like.
Speaker 2: The yeah, it's not cooked down or purified by any means,
Speaker 2: but it's still a basically a full on adrenaline hit
Speaker 2: in a more dirty way. Don't get me wrong, but yep.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I hope they have the same blood types so
Speaker 7: that way they don't get sick.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking about a village off the beaten
Speaker 2: path of the beaten path, Like, I.
Speaker 7: Mean, the likelihood of them having all the same blood
Speaker 7: types is quite high.
Speaker 2: The likelihood of them not having something wrong is also
Speaker 2: extremely crazy. Like okay, sure, yeah, just but again, we're
Speaker 2: talking about a sixteen years sure blood.
Speaker 7: Because you're oh positive and I'm ow negative, I get
Speaker 7: like violently ill and likely die from it.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean even drinking the blood.
Speaker 5: More than like that's something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, your body doesn't digest blood like that. The
Speaker 2: human body doesn't sell like.
Speaker 6: For instance, you can't drink massive amounts of blood without
Speaker 6: throwing up.
Speaker 2: So I had my wisdom teeth cut out when I
Speaker 2: was in high school, right, and in those I swallowed
Speaker 2: a fair amount of blood because the surgeon for some
Speaker 2: reason didn't understand what the fuck suction was but whatever,
Speaker 2: and I knew nothing about it. I wake up, I
Speaker 2: take two bites of chocolate pudding because that's all I'd
Speaker 2: be able to consume for the next few days. I
Speaker 2: start puking tar, and I started hacking up tar. For
Speaker 2: the next two days of just coagulated blood that was
Speaker 2: in my stomach. The human body isn't meant to ingest blood,
Speaker 2: even your own blood type. But yeah, for people, if
Speaker 2: you were to try to consume some other blood type.
Speaker 7: It'd make me really really sick because uh oh negatives
Speaker 7: can only have O negative blood types, even like injecting obviously,
Speaker 7: but it would also make me like violently ill. So
Speaker 7: I don't know if I could, if I would tie
Speaker 7: from it if I ingested another person's blood type.
Speaker 2: Like that that way, I feel like you'd probably puke
Speaker 2: it all up before it got to that point.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I feel like I feel like that. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I feel like you would puke it all up.
Speaker 4: But damn that's the Okay, Sure, so she just has these.
Speaker 6: So now we've now we've escalated now to full bore.
Speaker 2: We have got animal sacrifices, we have sex magic, now
Speaker 2: we have blood rituals being performed human blood rituals, and
Speaker 2: I guess in a certain term, human sacrifice. So we
Speaker 2: got in of course, drug usage.
Speaker 4: We got all the makings of some serious shit here.
Speaker 6: Yeah, hey, she's now stepped into full goddess status.
Speaker 3: So like, like, if you think about it, what a
Speaker 3: way to control the village so right at that point,
Speaker 3: you know, you just murder the two rate in front
Speaker 3: of everybody else, and actually, like the other villagers took part,
Speaker 3: they were just right along for this.
Speaker 7: Yeah, dang, the hive mind is insane, Like it's it's
Speaker 7: a wild concept to watch in the frenzies that happens.
Speaker 2: I wonder if these are the two assholes in the
Speaker 2: village too, like the two that were always.
Speaker 6: Just like, you know what, we're done with these people,
Speaker 6: like always.
Speaker 4: The naysayers to everything.
Speaker 2: You know, we're having fun over here, and you two dickads,
Speaker 2: y'all gotta ruin that.
Speaker 4: You know what, Fine, fuck.
Speaker 6: It, let's just do it.
Speaker 4: Let's just let's take them out like I got. I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 6: The mom mentality is crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think those two would be like the actual realist,
Speaker 3: the questioners, you know, like your.
Speaker 1: Conspiracy the smartest, the smartest ones out of the whole group,
Speaker 1: exactly because we've seen it, you know, we've seen what
Speaker 1: the mob mentality does, the cancel culture, and that's you know,
Speaker 1: you start questioning things and.
Speaker 5: You get canceled. They got canceled, They got.
Speaker 4: The hard cancel.
Speaker 7: This is kind of random, but also on the topic
Speaker 7: of mob mentality. You guys saw that that. I think
Speaker 7: it was a Buddhist or Hindi. Hindi guy was just
Speaker 7: strung up and killed and then burned at the stake
Speaker 7: wherever seas And it was like, it's actually I have
Speaker 7: it saved on my phone.
Speaker 4: Was it by other Hindis or by Muslims?
Speaker 6: Muslims but of course of course.
Speaker 7: But the hive mentality, like it went from something small
Speaker 7: that escalated massively and they murdered him right there in
Speaker 7: the streets and then burned them. And it's it's just
Speaker 7: an example of the frenzy that people will get into,
Speaker 7: especially if you have drugs and and you know, any
Speaker 7: kind of sacrifices and things like that, just.
Speaker 3: Like someone will set uh, they'll take it one step.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And who was the who is the lady the Bramovich.
Speaker 6: Maria and brom And didn't she do that soul cooking?
Speaker 5: Yes? But didn't she actually do like this live performance?
Speaker 6: Yes, the long anything, Yes, it's the longest event.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: People could do anything they wanted to her, and its like.
Speaker 6: It became violent very quickly. It was like seventeen minutes
Speaker 6: or something. It started to be.
Speaker 5: Caught the brass strap with a knife.
Speaker 3: They had all these tools out, they could they could
Speaker 3: do something nice or something crazy, and it escalated.
Speaker 5: But then again maybe.
Speaker 7: She got assaulted. She got yeah, no it was but
Speaker 7: I don't like her.
Speaker 4: She opened herself up for that and the same.
Speaker 7: Thing though Shilah buff did the same ring like so
Speaker 7: he did the example of it again and it got violent.
Speaker 7: Pretty Actually his lasted longer than hers before it became violent.
Speaker 2: And that's that's kind of a part of the human condition, right,
Speaker 2: And I don't like Marina Bramovic And at the time,
Speaker 2: I like child love these days, I did not like
Speaker 2: him during that time he was going off the deep.
Speaker 4: And that's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 2: But it is true that when given the opportunity, human
Speaker 2: beings ninety nine percent of the time will choose the
Speaker 2: worst possible option.
Speaker 4: Period.
Speaker 2: And then when somebody and it starts small, right, it
Speaker 2: started with it because the Bramovich example, it started with
Speaker 2: like a feather a rose, and they were doing like
Speaker 2: little stuff. Somebody saw thing. It was like, I wonder
Speaker 2: if I stuck her with the thorn of this rose,
Speaker 2: what would her reaction be? She's not because that was
Speaker 2: the thing she says she would not react, and people
Speaker 2: were trying to like test her to see if she
Speaker 2: would finally say enoughs enough. But then it became a
Speaker 2: one upping on whatever the person that just did it happen.
Speaker 2: It blossomed into showing the worst of humanity.
Speaker 4: And there's so many other experiments to show that.
Speaker 2: What was the example with the electrolysis to the person
Speaker 2: on the other side of the wall.
Speaker 7: That was that fucked up with that fucked with those
Speaker 7: people so hard though afterwards, like some of them really
Speaker 7: had to have psych help afterwards because they thought they
Speaker 7: were torturing the people. But they still went with it
Speaker 7: though that's the problem. They still one hundred went with it.
Speaker 3: Like one person who refused or questioned it. Yes, there
Speaker 3: was like one person.
Speaker 6: Which is yeah, everybody else said I wanted.
Speaker 5: To boiling down into uh what is that? Lord of
Speaker 5: the flies?
Speaker 2: Basically yeah, and I know that people from you know,
Speaker 2: it's like armchair historians here and from our lofty vantage points,
Speaker 2: we like to think that we are so much more
Speaker 2: advanced and so much more empathetic and all that, until
Speaker 2: you're in that situation and you really like your human
Speaker 2: lizard brain kicks in and it's like, no, actually, we're
Speaker 2: all fucking animals, don't.
Speaker 4: Don't get it twisted, Like.
Speaker 7: For sure, Yeah, the mindset gets crazy though.
Speaker 6: The frenzy mindset though, of a mob or like it
Speaker 6: just kicks off.
Speaker 7: One person starts doing one thing and it depends on
Speaker 7: how charismatic they are, and it just starts and it
Speaker 7: blossoms and then it would just grow rampant. And I
Speaker 7: could see how they just randomly killed those two people. Oh,
Speaker 7: not randomly, but I can see how she convinced them
Speaker 7: because they're now idolizing her as a god. Plus they're
Speaker 7: all high up on drugs and they've been doing all
Speaker 7: of these things, and so you know the energy in
Speaker 7: the room, let alone just the dopamine dumps and everything
Speaker 7: else that's happening, that they're just going to be in
Speaker 7: a frenzy zone anyways. And so to be like, you're
Speaker 7: questioning our God, our good time.
Speaker 4: See.
Speaker 2: This is also why I've always said, there's so many
Speaker 2: people we've had on the show say that humans are
Speaker 2: inherently good in nature, and I'm like, that is absolutely incorrect. Humans,
Speaker 2: Like when you take a two year old, you don't
Speaker 2: have to teach a two year old how to lie
Speaker 2: or to how to steal something that's not theirs. You
Speaker 2: have to teach them to tell the truth and teach
Speaker 2: them to share. Humans, by our nature survival instinct alone,
Speaker 2: are really horrible creatures. We have to like work towards
Speaker 2: being good. And a lot of people will just see
Speaker 2: the reverberations of that later on and think that all
Speaker 2: humans have inherently goodness within them, and it's like dh
Speaker 2: all evidence to the contrary. Actually, all experiments would say
Speaker 2: that that's just simply not true.
Speaker 4: It takes effort to be good. It takes no effort
Speaker 4: to be a shithead.
Speaker 5: Anyway, what was that?
Speaker 3: What is an experiment where they they took university students
Speaker 3: and yeah.
Speaker 7: There's so much friend, Well, that's a such a fascinating one.
Speaker 7: I've read so much about it and I watched all
Speaker 7: the different stuff that they've made on it and read
Speaker 7: into it, because I mean, so do you. I don't
Speaker 7: know if you guys would remember this, but Iraq in
Speaker 7: Afghanistan had a couple of incidents where people there was
Speaker 7: they were torturing quote unquote prison of prisoners of war
Speaker 7: and you know, they were they were doing things that
Speaker 7: they got in a lot of trouble for and stuff
Speaker 7: like that, and then when asked, they're like, how could
Speaker 7: you be doing this? And a lot of their responses
Speaker 7: were like, you know, I went along with it. I
Speaker 7: went along with it. And it's like no, because you
Speaker 7: your mindset shifts and no longer view these people as
Speaker 7: human and you're kind of just like in a totally
Speaker 7: different mindset. Or you you're with a group and the
Speaker 7: group is doing something, so naturally you're just gonna want
Speaker 7: to move with the group. And a lot of people
Speaker 7: have a hard time standing up to that, especially when
Speaker 7: it comes to something that is potentially right or wrong.
Speaker 7: And the Stanford prison experiment is one of those things
Speaker 7: because not only did they go like ape shit when
Speaker 7: they were the officers, but the other the prisoners that
Speaker 7: weren't actually prisoners, started to believe and conform and match
Speaker 7: that energy of being a prisoner because now these people
Speaker 7: quote unquote had something over them when they had nothing
Speaker 7: over them at all. And it's just it's a wild
Speaker 7: All of those experiments together, you kind of lump together
Speaker 7: and you really look at how people are easily swayed,
Speaker 7: and then you look at the social media and what
Speaker 7: they've done, you know, for the last couple of decades
Speaker 7: for people alone, a.
Speaker 4: Couple of decades.
Speaker 2: How you could read stoicism from Marcus Aurelius and you
Speaker 2: could tell that people in the turn of the first
Speaker 2: century AD and people today are the same.
Speaker 4: Yeah, people have been peopling since day fucking won. Yeah.
Speaker 2: We might have more technology and more convenience and more
Speaker 2: luxury these days, but oh no, the human condition has
Speaker 2: always been the exact same. Ancient Egyptians we're bitching and
Speaker 2: moaning about very similar things to what we are bitching
Speaker 2: and moaning about today, Like no doubts, but anyway.
Speaker 5: Like no good Wi Fi. That was one of the fist.
Speaker 4: Clearly we have to make another obelisk in health.
Speaker 7: They didn't have a Starbucks in the pyramid, the coffee.
Speaker 7: That'd be my complaint. I'm like, where is the Starvis.
Speaker 2: No, but you can read there's a the Cuneiform language.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, that all these clay tablets
Speaker 2: that we have, the majority of them are like notes.
Speaker 2: They're not like this long record of all these things.
Speaker 2: One of them is like my neighbor is massive asshole.
Speaker 2: Uh he his dog keeps shitting on my front, like
Speaker 2: legitimately the same fucking issues that we are bitching about today,
Speaker 2: like the down.
Speaker 6: The street took my mayan.
Speaker 2: Basically the fucking passive aggressive nature of like leaving a
Speaker 2: note on somebody's car because they park like an asshole.
Speaker 2: There's cuneiform tablets etched in clay, the same fucking thing.
Speaker 1: So like, yeah, and this is also wid it takes
Speaker 1: extra long effort to just leave that.
Speaker 4: Form that clay.
Speaker 7: God like you be pissed off at and cart took
Speaker 7: up spots.
Speaker 2: Bro, Yes, And this is also why I've used a
Speaker 2: shopping cart example to show that, like humans really and
Speaker 2: I'm not a big fan of the government. Anybody that's
Speaker 2: listened to this show where a conspiracy show.
Speaker 6: Yes, government technically fed and Jonathan is your handler.
Speaker 2: I know I'm the handler now clearly because I'm a
Speaker 2: fed but no, but hear me out. People need rules
Speaker 2: and governance, Like, well, we should just have a free
Speaker 2: flow in society because everybody inherently would make the right
Speaker 2: choice when given the opportunity.
Speaker 4: Look at any Walmart parking lot.
Speaker 2: If everybody would do as they're supposed to, they would
Speaker 2: bring the shopping carts back to that little spot.
Speaker 4: They don't do that.
Speaker 2: Maybe half and half half of the people could operate
Speaker 2: in a society devoid of rules and law. The other
Speaker 2: half would absolutely eat the first half apart. And that's
Speaker 2: shown in these smallests of scales. But it's true, and
Speaker 2: that doesn't I'm not saying if you leave your shopping
Speaker 2: cart out in middle of the parking lot, you're a
Speaker 2: horrible person. I'm saying that you're the reason why we
Speaker 2: need laws. You are You're You're the reason. He's technically
Speaker 2: saying that you're the reason why we need laws in
Speaker 2: so many ways.
Speaker 4: How dare you again circle.
Speaker 5: Back to gass back and take that cart back?
Speaker 6: He said this before, and I'm not gonna lie to you.
Speaker 7: One time, I was like I really couldn't get because
Speaker 7: a cart things so far away, and I just like,
Speaker 7: in the back of my mind was like, I feel
Speaker 7: so much guilt about not taking that stupid cart back.
Speaker 6: Like, God damn it.
Speaker 2: I hope so I hope that people listening hear that
Speaker 2: and they're like, Jaco's a piece of shit.
Speaker 4: And then later on they go to Walmart and they're
Speaker 4: like God damn it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because then you're like, fuck, I don't want to
Speaker 6: make this person.
Speaker 4: Right, trying to make the world a better place by turn.
Speaker 3: And when they get you to like put a coin
Speaker 3: in the carts, you know, and yeah, oh all these
Speaker 3: I need that quarterback. Like in Canada, we have like
Speaker 3: one dollar coins and two dollar coins, so.
Speaker 5: They make it a one dollar coin.
Speaker 3: You actually have to put the one dollar coin in
Speaker 3: to release the carts.
Speaker 4: All these up there, they have them in Europe, that's everywhere.
Speaker 2: That's why all these The German Store started in America.
Speaker 7: All these pisses me off because it is a store
Speaker 7: made just for men.
Speaker 4: Brothers in post in Germany.
Speaker 5: Me.
Speaker 7: You go there and you have like two options in
Speaker 7: that and I was like, this is the man store.
Speaker 7: This has to be because there's like here, you have
Speaker 7: one thing and it's like, no, I want the options
Speaker 7: to pick.
Speaker 2: Say, that's the opposite all these wants, no options, you
Speaker 2: get in you know what the fuck you're getting into.
Speaker 2: It's like little Caesars. Is it good pizza? No, it's
Speaker 2: five dollars and it's hot. You know what the fuck
Speaker 2: you're getting into?
Speaker 7: Now? I just can't like all these makes me like
Speaker 7: rage angry because there's not kidding.
Speaker 6: I went one time and.
Speaker 7: I like, this is stupid, but I think this is
Speaker 7: why all men should go here, because this makes a
Speaker 7: lot more sense. Fuck yeah, for like men to just
Speaker 7: go in and be like, this is what I want.
Speaker 2: We don't need the brows. We can be in and
Speaker 2: out with an entire buggy full.
Speaker 6: I want you to hold that.
Speaker 7: I want you to hold that same energy when taking
Speaker 7: a ship though, No, instead of forty five minutes to an.
Speaker 6: Hour, what are you doing in there?
Speaker 4: Listen?
Speaker 7: Every every woman on this listening to this podcast is
Speaker 7: going to feel the same way I feel right now.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: Listen, Linda, I can't speak on behalf of all men,
Speaker 2: let's hear it. But I can speak on behalf of
Speaker 2: Jacob and playing video games. You know, even without my phone,
Speaker 2: I'll still be that long.
Speaker 6: What the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 4: Listen, Linda?
Speaker 6: Do you need like a little a step stool?
Speaker 4: No, you need a squad?
Speaker 7: Yeah, you need like first of all, they actually are really,
Speaker 7: I will say, the GI specialists.
Speaker 6: Do you recommend all people using No.
Speaker 2: Here's what happened once upon a time, Jacob being a
Speaker 2: young Laddin high school, I'm just decided to eat nothing
Speaker 2: but taco bell for two straight days.
Speaker 4: Was this a smart idea.
Speaker 2: No, no, it was not, and Jacob regrets is still
Speaker 2: to this day.
Speaker 4: Long story short.
Speaker 2: When that time finally came, Jacob damn near stripped a
Speaker 2: gear with all that grunting and pushing bullshit. No, no,
Speaker 2: no gravity, you'll do the work that ship falls when
Speaker 2: it may.
Speaker 4: I might be in there for five minutes. I might
Speaker 4: be in there for now.
Speaker 7: The fucking squatty partty okay, then really locks your buttole
Speaker 7: and you be I like, great, I'm down.
Speaker 4: I'm down, but like, this.
Speaker 5: Is absolutely crazy. It's like we've gone to talk about
Speaker 5: human sacrifices.
Speaker 7: Look, I'm we're gonna call the conspiracy shirt that looks
Speaker 7: like a butthole it is.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, it's straight up. Yeah, I know. So I'm
Speaker 6: sorry we got on this topic.
Speaker 2: But I just and all the mell out there are
Speaker 2: gonna hear me and be like, yeah, tell me about Jacob.
Speaker 7: No, I swear to God like it is the most.
Speaker 7: It's like an unspoken thing. And it's like women could
Speaker 7: just get in, get out and be done. Men are
Speaker 7: like hang in and take like five thousand hours. It's like,
Speaker 7: what the fuck are you doing in there?
Speaker 4: I'm letting my.
Speaker 5: Party, like go, I let it go nice and slow, let.
Speaker 4: My body do the work, and it's natural time.
Speaker 6: You don't just like wait till you actually have to.
Speaker 2: Go and then just go, Yeah I do.
Speaker 4: What do you go when you don't have to go?
Speaker 7: No, I just like go when I need to go,
Speaker 7: and I'm like done in like less than five minutes.
Speaker 4: That sounds nice. That sounds very every.
Speaker 7: Woman period because I guess we don't have time to
Speaker 7: just like sit in the bathroom while like you know,
Speaker 7: the kids are running rampant.
Speaker 4: Them kids can figure it out. I'll be with them.
Speaker 2: When I'm with them, I don't say it.
Speaker 5: Sometimes it's just nice to take a break.
Speaker 6: Uh huh, you can't. Oh man, you fucking hire a
Speaker 6: hiding in there?
Speaker 5: Like no, But it's the process.
Speaker 2: Is there's two times I have to be left the
Speaker 2: actual fuck alone. One is when I'm shitting, and one
Speaker 2: is when I'm in the shower specifically, like.
Speaker 6: The longest person. I know that it takes the longest time, So.
Speaker 4: I enjoy shower. I enjoy my one shower a day.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I skip days, but like, yeah, can I get
Speaker 2: thirty minutes of just I'm locking the door, I'm minding
Speaker 2: my goddamn business. I'm decompressing, and then while I'm taking
Speaker 2: a ship, I'm locking the door and I'm yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess in another sense to compressing.
Speaker 6: Yeah, sure I have like no I get no time.
Speaker 7: I have zero space always. That's ever just no space.
Speaker 7: That sounds it's I'm not even joking.
Speaker 2: You should really start enforcing the whole limeal alone. While
Speaker 2: I shit policy, I bet you'll have a better life.
Speaker 6: That doesn't happen for moms. It just really doesn't.
Speaker 3: It gives you that that time just to reflect, Yeah,
Speaker 3: and decompressed. As you said, Sure, one thing I will
Speaker 3: say that I did. And we're on this topic, so
Speaker 3: why not I started? Uh, I put in a day, dude.
Speaker 6: I want you, bastard.
Speaker 5: But you know what, it's so easy. You can buy
Speaker 5: like this thing.
Speaker 3: You can buy like a veggie sprayer on Ali Express
Speaker 3: that attaches to the water line and literally it hangs.
Speaker 5: On the you know, like your kitchen.
Speaker 3: You know your kitchen, that's what you do. And you
Speaker 3: can get like attachments that hang on the side of
Speaker 3: your toilet. Okay, so this let me, let me explain
Speaker 3: something to you.
Speaker 5: And a lot of people are like this. So what
Speaker 5: do you do that for?
Speaker 3: I'm like, whatever if if if you got ship on
Speaker 3: your arm, are you just gonna use a piece of
Speaker 3: paper and wipe it off and be like Okay, I'm good.
Speaker 5: Or are you gonna wash it off? Yep, you're going
Speaker 5: to wash it off.
Speaker 6: You don't get to explain to me.
Speaker 7: I lived in Okinawa, Japan, where the public bathrooms had
Speaker 7: them like they had all the special They had like
Speaker 7: fifteen different things settings on the left hand side, and
Speaker 7: they had all the oh yeah, that bench could spray
Speaker 7: like all.
Speaker 6: Different ways, maybe hot and cold and this and that.
Speaker 7: The toilet sea would be warm and they would be
Speaker 7: wilding out in a public bathroom by the beach.
Speaker 6: Yes, they were amazing. I loved their bathrooms.
Speaker 5: When I first went to Thailand.
Speaker 3: That's when I kind of discovered that they had this
Speaker 3: all the time, and I was like this ever since then.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's like all the time. I use it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 5: I won't and if if I don't, would have it.
Speaker 3: After I take a ship, I shower every single time.
Speaker 5: I feel that it's like I want to be to clean.
Speaker 6: I know lot of people that do that too.
Speaker 2: I had at the first time I ever met a
Speaker 2: dude in America anyway that had one, and was like,
Speaker 2: very very proud that he had this.
Speaker 4: I was working an industry.
Speaker 2: I was working construction, as a matter of fact, and
Speaker 2: for those of you that don't know, typically construction hands
Speaker 2: are not the most prim and proper human beings on earth, right,
Speaker 2: and we you know, all they had on site was
Speaker 2: porter cans. And he's like, yeah, I ain't doing that.
Speaker 2: I only shit at home where I got my boudet.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you have a what?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 2: And this is not like again, this was not a
Speaker 2: fat guy. This dude was relatively in shape. He wasn't
Speaker 2: like he couldn't reach or anything like that. He's like,
Speaker 2: big dog, I'm gonna tell you now, it's the only
Speaker 2: way to do it. I don't know how I survived
Speaker 2: this long without it. And I'm like, and this is
Speaker 2: this is a man's man. And he is talking about
Speaker 2: how we all need to be spraying water on a
Speaker 2: butt crack. The first time I experienced it was in Paris,
Speaker 2: but I didn't know what was happening, so it scared
Speaker 2: the shit out of me. That was a different yeah,
Speaker 2: but I I want one.
Speaker 6: First time I ever experienced it.
Speaker 7: I was in the bathroom heading to I think I
Speaker 7: was in mainland Japan, and it's scarily shipp at me.
Speaker 7: So they had the on in the floor, so.
Speaker 5: Not in the back, not in uh the little squatty body.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they had the ones on the floor, and then
Speaker 7: they had the other ones, and so it shot water.
Speaker 7: I was pushing buttons and it shot water at like
Speaker 7: five different places, and I was like, oh Jesus, as I'm.
Speaker 6: Lating next to me was like and I was like,
Speaker 6: I'm like trying to shut it off. I'm like, how
Speaker 6: do I shut off with the things?
Speaker 7: So but then I got used to it, and I'm like, God,
Speaker 7: I want one so bad. I actually know quite a
Speaker 7: few people that have them. Now quite a few people
Speaker 7: are actually putting that's you know what, For one.
Speaker 3: You go to Ali Express and you can order like
Speaker 3: this attachment that'll toach onto the valve.
Speaker 5: That's that's plice the water. But in that case it's
Speaker 5: gonna be cold water. So I just know it's gonna
Speaker 5: be cold water.
Speaker 4: But hey, I mean yeah, but still but cleanliness.
Speaker 7: Though I'm sorry that I got I got us off
Speaker 7: on this whole man half of I like it from
Speaker 7: from the sacrifice to this. Now we're going back to the.
Speaker 2: Blood meat for swamp ass purposes alone, and.
Speaker 6: You never had that bullshit. It's a whole nother And.
Speaker 2: I bet these people living in Mexico, in this random
Speaker 2: village in the desert.
Speaker 6: They smelled so bad.
Speaker 3: Just an FYI because you did mention the Yukadamp Peninsula.
Speaker 5: That is where I live.
Speaker 3: So I understand the swamp swamp ass more or less
Speaker 3: because there's a freaking jungle right here.
Speaker 5: I live in the jungles.
Speaker 4: You live in Peru or where you at.
Speaker 3: No, I'm in m in the state of Campeche, in Mexico,
Speaker 3: in the Yuka Dam Peninsula, no doubt.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 7: I thought you said that earlier, and I was like,
Speaker 7: you said Canada and then you said around here.
Speaker 5: So yeah, originally Canadian?
Speaker 3: Uh living in living in Mexico now enjoining the swamp as.
Speaker 2: You don't have much of a Canadian accent though, So
Speaker 2: what part of Canada?
Speaker 4: Where'd you where you from? Alberta, Canadian Texas, Very.
Speaker 5: Very Canadian Texas. That's exactly what it.
Speaker 4: Is, dude.
Speaker 2: I'm hearing that four provinces are trying to become US states.
Speaker 4: Right now. I'm so stoked. That'll be great.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's awesome.
Speaker 5: Alberta wants out.
Speaker 2: I will say that there's the Canadian I heard it
Speaker 2: there they went out.
Speaker 6: It's very rare.
Speaker 7: I have one of my best friends is that lives
Speaker 7: in Canada, and it's funny because, like every now and again,
Speaker 7: I'll hear her accent, but honestly, for the most part,
Speaker 7: I don't hear it, and we FaceTime all the time,
Speaker 7: and then I'm like, I don't really hear your accent
Speaker 7: very often. But when I do hear it, I kind
Speaker 7: of chuckle certain words and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: You get a Canadian drunk, it comes out.
Speaker 6: She's in Calgary, so yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's where I was. Yeah, good old we call
Speaker 3: that Caltown. Yeah, good old Calotown.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So that's where she lives.
Speaker 2: But so you lived in Canada and then you moved
Speaker 2: to Mexico right after that, you stilled alf in America
Speaker 2: for a bit.
Speaker 3: Well, no, no, it was uh it was I lived
Speaker 3: in Canada and then met my my it was my
Speaker 3: girlfriend at the time, but to be wife. We moved
Speaker 3: to Mexico for her work. She is Mexican as well.
Speaker 3: We stayed there for three and a half years, moved
Speaker 3: back to Canada for four years, and now I said,
Speaker 3: screw Canada because it's cold. One of it's cold and
Speaker 3: it's a kind of communist. So it's like I'm out.
Speaker 2: So in your section of Mexico where the car tells
Speaker 2: that big of an issue because it's it's I've heard
Speaker 2: depending on where you're at, it's not communism.
Speaker 4: It's more of a you know, totalitarian regime.
Speaker 3: Depending it really does depend, like there are certain places
Speaker 3: that are extremely safe. Granted lately there has been some murders,
Speaker 3: like drug related murders hits, but it's it is not common,
Speaker 3: like this is the first like this year. This past year,
Speaker 3: I think there was like maybe like five. But other
Speaker 3: than that, I've never read anything else by that. Like
Speaker 3: there's you know, have the news where people die from
Speaker 3: driving and accidents and shit like that, but nothing else
Speaker 3: too crazy.
Speaker 7: But five is nothing compared to New Worlds to say,
Speaker 7: ship man, that's like that's like a night in New Orleans.
Speaker 7: So like over the weekend you can have like thirteen dead,
Speaker 7: so it's easily whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there there, It isn't that much like you
Speaker 3: don't you don't get much of anything here. The only
Speaker 3: the only crime that we usually have is like robbery.
Speaker 3: Robbery is the biggest one that you'll find here. Other
Speaker 3: than that, it's it's nothing else.
Speaker 4: Strange question, but what is Mexico's gun laws?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's pretty Uh, they're pretty tight on the
Speaker 3: gun laws. Actually it's a lot more. It's a lot
Speaker 3: tighter than it was in Canada. You can get some.
Speaker 5: Guns, but of course there's laws.
Speaker 3: But Mexico is all about circumventing laws. Like you know,
Speaker 3: you pay the right people, you can get anything you
Speaker 3: want here.
Speaker 5: That's that's the bottom line.
Speaker 3: It's corruption is is very well known one throughout this
Speaker 3: whole country, Like the president herself is pretty damn.
Speaker 4: Ship was there before?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well in total actually it was close to one
Speaker 3: hundred in total is close to one hundred.
Speaker 4: Whoa, that's fun.
Speaker 3: During that election period, there's about one hundred uh offings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, old boy who groped her publicly, whatever happened with him.
Speaker 5: I have no idea.
Speaker 3: That was absolutely crazy, right, and they just let it happen.
Speaker 5: Like this guy's like a nut job.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine real shit, the seating president of a
Speaker 2: country and you being so drunk that you do not
Speaker 2: recognize this person or the security detail around. You just
Speaker 2: come up to this woman and grab her titty just whatever,
Speaker 2: and then get escorted off and fucking drug away because
Speaker 2: it's like, uh no, dude, you you're so drunk that
Speaker 2: you didn't even recognize that that's the current president of
Speaker 2: your country.
Speaker 6: Where is her security watching?
Speaker 5: That's exactly it as well. They just let it happen,
Speaker 5: like are you are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: I think they thought that there's no way this guy
Speaker 2: is that dumb, like because she was like walking through
Speaker 2: the streets and was like shaking hands with people.
Speaker 4: It was like one of those types of things.
Speaker 2: But like even still, there's no way we're watching this
Speaker 2: happen before, Like I think they were kind of in
Speaker 2: shock and all, but then they handled.
Speaker 6: It or I mean, where it's a female and they're
Speaker 6: kind of just like.
Speaker 5: Meh, I forget.
Speaker 2: But she was the female selected by the cartels to
Speaker 2: run the country, so like you would think there'd be
Speaker 2: a little bit of some protection bubble here, but yeah,
Speaker 2: Mexico be wiling.
Speaker 6: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: It's absolutely it is crazy.
Speaker 7: It is crazy here speaking of murdering people and another
Speaker 7: few female murdering other few people.
Speaker 6: We've gotten deaths, we got all this stuff happening, So how.
Speaker 7: Are we going to get even worse? Because I'm I
Speaker 7: feel like it's going to get worse from here.
Speaker 5: So okay, so.
Speaker 3: I'll pick up exactly where we left off as we
Speaker 3: were saying, like they had just.
Speaker 5: Killed those those two villagers with their blood, and that
Speaker 5: was the start.
Speaker 3: And at that point, actually that's pretty much when she
Speaker 3: took complete control of the cult and the brothers were
Speaker 3: pretty much just pushed a side, but they didn't care.
Speaker 3: They're like, yeah, we're still along for the ride, and
Speaker 3: they're enjoying everything. But now she was the one making
Speaker 3: the calls. And it was at this point as well
Speaker 3: that she started, like I think I said that, like
Speaker 3: she was she was the first, this priestess. But now
Speaker 3: at this point she actually was believing that she was
Speaker 3: the actual reincarnation of the god quality quality Q leak
Speaker 3: you sure there we go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And then she was actually dubbed, they actually dubbed
Speaker 5: her the High Priestess of Blood. So that is where
Speaker 5: it starts.
Speaker 3: And you see, like, yeah, right now you can kind
Speaker 3: of see, you know, from dust still dawn here we
Speaker 3: go the high priestess of the Blood.
Speaker 5: Now Magdalena.
Speaker 3: She started to actually fall in love with a villager, Selena,
Speaker 3: so there was a bit of lust in there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, got some is a female? Correct is a female?
Speaker 3: And now under Magdalena's command, any of the members who
Speaker 3: were kind of like, yeah, we're done.
Speaker 5: Were publicly executed.
Speaker 3: Like this started to happen a little bit more and more,
Speaker 3: and then Magdalena actually started to introduce these blood rituals,
Speaker 3: which were inspired, of course by as tech mythology, which
Speaker 3: we had kind of talked about, you know, we were
Speaker 3: talking about like this killing of these people, this ritual sacrifices.
Speaker 2: So now where was she getting that information from, because
Speaker 2: in the nineteen sixties, not a whole lot was known.
Speaker 2: I mean some, yes, some was some known, some historical
Speaker 2: documents that made their way, but unless you were somebody
Speaker 2: that was at least semi classically educated in Mesoamerican culture,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't have known what the Aztecs were doing.
Speaker 3: And she, like I said, she was this sixteen year
Speaker 3: old prostitute, so she didn't really but she was a
Speaker 3: bit of a con artist though as well, so she.
Speaker 2: Had to have She claimed to be a medium, So
Speaker 2: clearly she had some conenter for sure.
Speaker 5: That's exactly what I was going with.
Speaker 3: Yes, so maybe she she didn't have school education, but
Speaker 3: she had like the street she was street wise. But yeah,
Speaker 3: did she really know that this was actual like az
Speaker 3: tech mythology that she was copying or was she starting
Speaker 3: to be possessed by some sort of entity? Okay, well yeah,
Speaker 3: and like I said, any of their dissenting members, they
Speaker 3: would be tortured, mutilated, and then left to bleed to death.
Speaker 4: How many of them were there? Because there was only
Speaker 4: seventy five people to start.
Speaker 3: Only seventy five in total, the number they think is
Speaker 3: close to around like sixteen to seventeen people. I know,
Speaker 3: it sounds the way I'm talking about might sound like overexaggerated,
Speaker 3: but still, if you think about that, that's one out.
Speaker 4: Of every three people in the village.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 6: That's a hard All females too, most likely.
Speaker 5: I think it could have been or could have been
Speaker 5: male as well. Well.
Speaker 4: The two first dissenters they were men, right, and then.
Speaker 6: Then the females that wanted to leave, So I don't.
Speaker 2: Know how many that's another thing, how many females wanted
Speaker 2: to leave. How many of them just bought into it, So.
Speaker 5: There wasn't Yeah, it wasn't really like the females wanted
Speaker 5: to leave. It was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was two men at the beginning. Actually, like
Speaker 3: those two villagers, they were men and they were killed.
Speaker 3: So at this point, I I personally think the men
Speaker 3: were all into this, and I do think it was
Speaker 3: the women. And that's why perhaps they were taking out
Speaker 3: some of the women and introducing them into sexual slavery,
Speaker 3: you know, instead of killing them, let's make some money
Speaker 3: off of them.
Speaker 6: Wow, they're drawing sticks at this point. All right, today's
Speaker 6: today is somebody's turn to get killed. Let's just draw
Speaker 6: some sticks.
Speaker 3: Let's see whose blood were drinking today. And like I said, yeah,
Speaker 3: they would be collecting the blood of these people that
Speaker 3: they killed, and they'd be mixing with piote and marijuana
Speaker 3: and they would consume this, and Magdalena started to believe
Speaker 3: that this blood was giving her supernatural powers and she
Speaker 3: was believing that this was actually sustaining her. And so
Speaker 3: what happened at that point is it escalated even more.
Speaker 5: She would then start.
Speaker 3: To cut out their hearts and eat them too, because
Speaker 3: that's what you do, and that is what they did
Speaker 3: in you know, the Astecs, when they would sacrifice, they
Speaker 3: would sacrifice she was they would cut out they're still
Speaker 3: beating heart and sometimes like show it right to the
Speaker 3: victim that it's still beating and the victim would be
Speaker 3: still alive for a couple more seconds, right, succumb to that.
Speaker 3: So is Yeah, So they're saying that approximately about seventeen,
Speaker 3: it was about seventeen people were all killed, but it's
Speaker 3: really technically unknown because like this town didn't really have
Speaker 3: any surveys. They're assuming it was around them.
Speaker 7: Okay, I don't know what the kids were doing during
Speaker 7: this time, getting into it.
Speaker 5: I guess, yeah, something I don't even want to think about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as they're talking about all the sex magic that
Speaker 4: was being done to.
Speaker 7: Everything, hoping that like the kids were left out of
Speaker 7: this and maybe there's left at home no way help.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, the kids were like I said that one younger girl,
Speaker 3: she was maybe like thirteen fourteen, and she was sold
Speaker 3: into sex slavery. So at that age I was already happening.
Speaker 3: And then in May of sixty three, that's when Selena,
Speaker 3: that was Magdalena's love interest, she started to have a
Speaker 3: thing with Santos, the one of the brothers, Santos Sernandez,
Speaker 3: And of course Magdalena wasn't happy at all about this.
Speaker 5: So what did she do?
Speaker 3: So she said, yep, for the richest, she said, for
Speaker 3: the richest to be presented, she said, a true believer needed.
Speaker 5: To be sacrificed.
Speaker 3: So at this point we need that true believer because
Speaker 3: Selena was buying into this. Yeah, so, and that true believer,
Speaker 3: of course, would be rewarded in the heavens. So what
Speaker 3: did Magdalena do. She took Selena qut her on the
Speaker 3: a and bashed her head in with a raw Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it wasn't even like the sacrificial with the
Speaker 2: heart and all that.
Speaker 4: No, that was just brute force on this one.
Speaker 5: Yep, exactly so.
Speaker 3: From this point so when they brought Magdalena in, it's
Speaker 3: not like it's not been that long of a time.
Speaker 5: This is six weeks now.
Speaker 6: Whoa wait, this is only six weeks.
Speaker 8: Only six weeks, so we are a little more than
Speaker 8: a month or a month and a half, well a
Speaker 8: year since the brothers first got to this village, and
Speaker 8: then six weeks after they bring the prostitute in.
Speaker 4: Wow, okay, they i think this.
Speaker 6: Was like two years maybe timeframe we're talking.
Speaker 3: Oh no, so you can imagine seventeen around sixteen to
Speaker 3: seventeen people killed within six weeks. And even that I
Speaker 3: would say, like that did happen until like the.
Speaker 5: Latter part, so it started like maybe.
Speaker 7: Damn, she's saying like every other day, Yeah, exactly, WOWO.
Speaker 5: So so that was when did that happen?
Speaker 3: That happened in May, And later on in that same month,
Speaker 3: there was a fourteen year old boy who was walking
Speaker 3: past one of these caves where they had all these
Speaker 3: ritual sacrifices. I'm assuming he was one of the sons
Speaker 3: of one of the families there and he had been
Speaker 3: kept out of this all so he never has seen this.
Speaker 3: So his name is Sebastian Guero Guerrero, and he was
Speaker 3: out exploring the caves and that's when he came upon
Speaker 3: the cult in the middle of one of their.
Speaker 5: Killing drinking rituals.
Speaker 3: And so it was dark and he saw something inside
Speaker 3: the cave. He saw this light coming from this nearby cave.
Speaker 3: So he snuck in really close and he got he
Speaker 3: was making sure he wasn't making any noise, and he
Speaker 3: peeked him and that's when he also said he could
Speaker 3: smell something strange from the cave, which was probably the
Speaker 3: incense with the copal.
Speaker 5: That's what the Aztecs used.
Speaker 3: And so he approached the mouth of the cave and
Speaker 3: he's got really close, he was able to look in
Speaker 3: and what he saw, of course, was just like absolutely shocking.
Speaker 3: He saw he saw like these villagers having a big orgy,
Speaker 3: and he says, they're passing around this fancy looking cup
Speaker 3: and they were drinking. They were drinking something from it.
Speaker 3: He couldn't really tell, and at first he couldn't tell, okay,
Speaker 3: So when he saw at the far end of the cave,
Speaker 3: that's when he saw the altar, and he saw laying
Speaker 3: on the altar this dead villager who was literally hacked
Speaker 3: to pieces, and he saw them bringing the cup over
Speaker 3: and collecting the blood that it was still coming from it.
Speaker 4: Wow, okay.
Speaker 3: And not only that, he saw Magdalena standing up holding
Speaker 3: the heart and was like taking a bite of this
Speaker 3: this guy's heart. And that is why we know for
Speaker 3: sure that they were eating the damn hearts.
Speaker 4: So he made it out of there alive.
Speaker 6: So he filed the police report because.
Speaker 2: Like if he told his story at least in some way,
Speaker 2: shape or form, he had to have made it out
Speaker 2: of at least that encounter.
Speaker 5: That's exactly.
Speaker 3: So he took off running and he ran to a
Speaker 3: nearby town called a Villa Grand, Villa Grand, and which
Speaker 3: was about fifteen miles away, and he pretty much ran
Speaker 3: the whole way there.
Speaker 1: All.
Speaker 5: He was scared shitless. Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: And so when he got there, this this town at
Speaker 3: least had a police at a police station, okay, and
Speaker 3: he's just like freaking out to these policemen and he's
Speaker 3: saying that they're drinking blood like vampires.
Speaker 5: So he said, the village are drinking blood like vampires
Speaker 5: in Europe. One m Now.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, the police from Villa Grand were like, kid, you've
Speaker 3: got this act of imagination.
Speaker 5: You are mentally not well, yeah, and you're.
Speaker 3: Just going crazy. And he would not stop though. He
Speaker 3: just like, no, no, something is happening. Something is happening.
Speaker 3: So the next day, police Inspector Luis Martinez agreed to
Speaker 3: go with him to go check it out, okay, And
Speaker 3: so they said, he said.
Speaker 5: Okay, okay, let's go back, show me where this is.
Speaker 3: That's the last everybody ever saw of those two. Yeah,
Speaker 3: never never seen alive again. The police, the police detective
Speaker 3: and the boy both disappeared.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they got got.
Speaker 2: I saw that coming, honestly, I was hoping he'd bring
Speaker 2: back up. But of course, like any other horror movie
Speaker 2: we've ever seen in our life, some kids saw it,
Speaker 2: goes to the police station.
Speaker 4: They don't believe him.
Speaker 2: They'll send one guy who's like three weeks from retirement
Speaker 2: to go do a wellness check or something, and then
Speaker 2: he gets got clearly.
Speaker 7: And then it's just one of those unsolved murders, you know,
Speaker 7: just disappearances Jesus.
Speaker 3: But like I don't want to say luckily, but at
Speaker 3: least luckily, you know, there were other policemen who knew
Speaker 3: what was going what was happening, that he was going there,
Speaker 3: and so when he didn't report back after a couple
Speaker 3: of days, they're like, yeah, okay, something actually is really
Speaker 3: going down. So one of the one of the police
Speaker 3: officers contacted Alberta.
Speaker 5: Go Goldmet is a police inspector in Monterey.
Speaker 3: And with that, Alberto contacted the military and they decided
Speaker 3: to create like an operation. Operation was planned to go
Speaker 3: take the town.
Speaker 6: So interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's what we were saying about military and
Speaker 3: police reports.
Speaker 6: So what happened to them?
Speaker 5: What happened to the boys?
Speaker 6: No, no, no, no, we.
Speaker 7: Know that they're dead, but what happened to the the
Speaker 7: prostitute and all the villagers and everybody?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 3: So on May thirty first, nineteen sixty three, still we're
Speaker 3: still in sixty.
Speaker 5: Three, and this is still that month of May where
Speaker 5: everything was kind of going down.
Speaker 3: Urba Buena was raided by the police and soldiers. And
Speaker 3: it wasn't just this simple raid and we're going to
Speaker 3: catch everything, No, there was. It was like a full
Speaker 3: on gunfight. There were shootouts and everything. Magdalena and her
Speaker 3: brother were arrested quite easily at a farmhouse they're staying
Speaker 3: at because they were just like stoned off their asses,
Speaker 3: and so they were able to take him into custody. Now,
Speaker 3: Santas Santos Hernandez was killed while he was trying to
Speaker 3: resist arrest. So that's the one brother and why Cayetano
Speaker 3: and Jesus Roberto they ran off. Jesus was one of
Speaker 3: the villagers that.
Speaker 6: Knew yet the one that was it okay, yeah.
Speaker 3: So they ran off into the mountains and waiting to
Speaker 3: this like they thought, oh, we'll wait this out, wait
Speaker 3: for everything to blow over so that they could take
Speaker 3: control again of the town.
Speaker 5: But Jesus decided that I want to be the one.
Speaker 5: I want to be the only one. So he acts.
Speaker 5: She killed Guy Dano by bludgeting into death with a rock.
Speaker 6: Oh wow wow.
Speaker 2: Like he could have lied and brought and turned him
Speaker 2: in and then like played the hero card and nobody
Speaker 2: would have been able to tell any different. But no, no,
Speaker 2: he bought into the bits so hard. He's like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm the only god on this melt.
Speaker 7: You think that they would just leave and like go
Speaker 7: go away, so that way they wouldn't get brought in
Speaker 7: by the military or the police and get brought to
Speaker 7: justice for being at least involved in these these deaths.
Speaker 5: But I guess, Highlander, you know they can only be one.
Speaker 2: I guess Jesus, that's okay. This is in sixty three
Speaker 2: in America. We got civil rights issues, we got the
Speaker 2: Vietnam War. In Mexico, they got these blood cults and
Speaker 2: ship like yeah, wild times.
Speaker 6: I mean, but in the sixties too though, they had
Speaker 6: that other cult. It's really famous. They got that married
Speaker 6: like the three.
Speaker 4: Year like done with the Helter Skelter with the old.
Speaker 6: No, they went to the Philippines in Japan and they
Speaker 6: I forget, I just watched it.
Speaker 7: I just watched it on a on Snapchat. Actually, oh lord, well,
Speaker 7: I've already heard about it plenty of times.
Speaker 6: It's a blond lady that's come forward.
Speaker 7: She got married to her quote unquote grandfather at three
Speaker 7: years old, and then they traveled all around and they
Speaker 7: had like the he had a whole bunch of women
Speaker 7: that were with him, and they would make the kids perform,
Speaker 7: uh like ship teas and stuff, and they filmed it
Speaker 7: for Grandpa and it was like in the basement and
Speaker 7: they would have orgies and all these different things. But
Speaker 7: they would do Power of attorney was how they moved
Speaker 7: the kids all around the countries. They would just sign
Speaker 7: over the power of attorney waivers to the to the
Speaker 7: other people. And like she had a mom that was
Speaker 7: in the cult too, that was pregnant with her sister,
Speaker 7: and then she would sign he signed her over to
Speaker 7: another person.
Speaker 6: She came forward.
Speaker 7: There's a it's a big old story about this, but
Speaker 7: that was in the sixties that they weren't killing people,
Speaker 7: but they was a huge cult that he had got
Speaker 7: of women and all this stuff, and that's just like
Speaker 7: a story of one of them.
Speaker 6: They're they're all over.
Speaker 7: But it seemed like the sixties really did have a
Speaker 7: ton of colts that were happening all across the world.
Speaker 5: Jesus, Yeah, what is going on?
Speaker 7: I don't know, but it sounds like this one's absolutely insane.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So they so they arrested her and her brother old boys.
Speaker 7: So both the brothers got killed. Now has is out
Speaker 7: here while in rampage and in.
Speaker 5: The mountains.
Speaker 3: A control he gets he gets caught by the military
Speaker 3: and arrested as well.
Speaker 6: Okay, so everyone was at least arrested.
Speaker 3: So no regaining control at all. Yeah, and then a
Speaker 3: number of the cult members were would be killed during
Speaker 3: the shootout with the police and the army. And yeah,
Speaker 3: so that was like the big, the peak moment, the
Speaker 3: climax of this all was this big shootout. Now, once
Speaker 3: they took everybody into custom and we're talking everybody, investigations
Speaker 3: began and around Yurbguena had to record all of what
Speaker 3: the cult did. Now they discovered the dismembered bodies of
Speaker 3: Martinez and Guerrero. Those were the boy and the police
Speaker 3: officer as well, and they and that was at the
Speaker 3: farm where Magdalena was at where they arrested her. And
Speaker 3: they also found six more bodies in caves around the
Speaker 3: villages as well, so they know for sure that there
Speaker 3: was eight, but there was around seventeen is what they're
Speaker 3: what they're thinking in total now. So they said they
Speaker 3: took them all to trial, and we're talking all like
Speaker 3: the whole village.
Speaker 5: The whole village went to trial. So for the murders.
Speaker 3: Of Martinez and Guerrero, the soullest siblings, so that was
Speaker 3: Magdalena and her brother Elisar. They were sentenced to fifty
Speaker 3: years because they couldn't actually proved their guilt and the
Speaker 3: murders of the other villagers, the other villages that they found,
Speaker 3: they couldn't actually tie them together, though they know they
Speaker 3: did them, but they were now actual they couldn't do
Speaker 3: that so now, and it couldn't be proven because also
Speaker 3: the other cult members wouldn't testify against Magdalena. They were
Speaker 3: still terrified that she would do something to them because
Speaker 3: they still they still believed that she was a god.
Speaker 3: Even at this point, they still believed that she was
Speaker 3: a god. Now it's it's not even clear if So
Speaker 3: Magdalena was supposed to be released in twenty thirteen after
Speaker 3: completing her fifty years.
Speaker 5: Is that is that right?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, twenty thirteen after completing her fifty year prison term.
Speaker 3: In reality, Magdalena kind of disappeared into the system. No
Speaker 3: one knows what where she went or what really happened
Speaker 3: to her.
Speaker 2: Just now, I don't know much about the Mexican arm
Speaker 2: of the law, and I mean like actual not like
Speaker 2: the you know, suppose arm and the law like the
Speaker 2: cartels these days, but especially back in the sixties and
Speaker 2: seventies and eighties, Is that was that relatively common? Like
Speaker 2: if you were to go to a Mexican jail, you
Speaker 2: just kind of get roped up into the system, and like,
Speaker 2: who knows whatever happened to you.
Speaker 4: You lose contact with your family and whatever.
Speaker 5: It could be for multiple reasons.
Speaker 3: It could be that they actually wanted you, they wanted you,
Speaker 3: removed you from the prison system, or you just get lost.
Speaker 5: You just get lost in the system.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 3: And so the remaining of the inhabitants, the villagers, they
Speaker 3: actually got all thirty years. They were in prison, sentenced
Speaker 3: for thirty years, and they they were more lenient on
Speaker 3: them because of their illiteracy and they were poor and
Speaker 3: they fell for some of this crazy stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And now it's only been actually recently that some of
Speaker 3: the former cult members have started to speak up about this.
Speaker 3: And like I said, despite them only finding eight bodies,
Speaker 3: they think it could be anywhere between like fifteen to
Speaker 3: seventeen bodies in total, but the only bodies that they
Speaker 3: were able to identify out.
Speaker 5: Was Martinez Zan Gerrero.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so with the testimonies of these former members Villagers,
Speaker 2: basically has more of a picture really come to light
Speaker 2: as far as the background of it or is that
Speaker 2: all because I mean we're talking about thirty years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, what I gave to you is the most in
Speaker 3: depth that I have been able to acquire from putting
Speaker 3: all these pieces of information together.
Speaker 5: So this is what we got. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Cool.
Speaker 3: Now, if you google Magdalena Soulas, unfortunately majority of the
Speaker 3: pictures are actually not of Magdalena, they're of Dagmar Ogilby
Speaker 3: and she was a Danish serial killer. So if you
Speaker 3: if you google Magdalena Solas, you're gonna see like this,
Speaker 3: this one woman has this frillly kind of dress where
Speaker 3: it's like this white really front piece on it.
Speaker 5: That's dagmar Ogili.
Speaker 3: The that'll be her, and then there'll be another woman
Speaker 3: who's actually kind of she is kind of a beautiful
Speaker 3: looking woman, like she not like this gorgeous, but Magdalena
Speaker 3: has has a bit of a regalness look to her
Speaker 3: like this, she is a beautiful woman and unfortunately that's her.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Wow, So, like I said, trying to find out any
Speaker 3: more information, it's difficult because there are many other stories
Speaker 3: out there. So it's like, Okay, you're trying to search
Speaker 3: this all and you're trying to find it.
Speaker 5: It is difficult.
Speaker 7: What if she actually ended up gaining some type of
Speaker 7: power from all the sacrifices she did, and they decided to.
Speaker 6: Keep her and like use her for something.
Speaker 2: Whenever he said that, like they wanted you. So basically, yeah,
Speaker 2: she went into the prison system never to come out.
Speaker 2: But like whatever happened to her, the if you want
Speaker 2: to say, the elites of Mexico or even the global
Speaker 2: leads to whatever, they're like, oh, we recognize one of
Speaker 2: our own.
Speaker 4: Okay, let's see what all you got.
Speaker 2: And they just kind of took her and she's off
Speaker 2: doing other kind of witch shit.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's possible.
Speaker 6: Minds me of a suicide squad.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, were they like you know, they take they
Speaker 7: take them and put them in a special person and
Speaker 7: stuff like that, and they're they are able to use
Speaker 7: them as weapons.
Speaker 2: So now, what do you think ended up happening to
Speaker 2: her real scheme of things?
Speaker 3: I actually think exactly what you guys were saying. I
Speaker 3: actually think she was pulled out. Was it because she
Speaker 3: actually was able to manifest a goddess inside of her
Speaker 3: or some sort of demon? I think there was some
Speaker 3: some powers granted to her, you know, for her to
Speaker 3: go through this route and follow this path. There was
Speaker 3: something guy to her, of course, not something good. Something
Speaker 3: was guiding her. But you know, we've learned, we've learned
Speaker 3: in all throat pass throughout the history that it doesn't matter,
Speaker 3: you know, we're going to utilize that if even if
Speaker 3: someone is like we has power, let's utilize that person
Speaker 3: for our benefits.
Speaker 2: Yea, and especially with I mean the cartels really took
Speaker 2: over Mexico. You would say, what the eighties nineties.
Speaker 5: I think the eighties were the biggest, the highlight of it.
Speaker 3: But the cartels have been around for quite a while,
Speaker 3: but the real rise I think it is is in
Speaker 3: the eighties, definitely in the eviies.
Speaker 2: So if we're taking that into consideration, here sixty three,
Speaker 2: she's arrested ten twenty years around that area. And we
Speaker 2: know for a fact that not all cartels, but certain cartels,
Speaker 2: absolutely the very tippy top of them, are doing dark
Speaker 2: magic and occult rituals too. And it's not like they're
Speaker 2: doing it to oh, we're practitioners of Santa Ria. This
Speaker 2: is no, no, no, they're absolutely speaking to Satan, and
Speaker 2: they're very loud and proud about that. So it would
Speaker 2: stand to reason that they would see somebody that's already
Speaker 2: done this once before and just kind of roped her
Speaker 2: in to be their mother goddess, for lack of better words,
Speaker 2: I could see it, or a high.
Speaker 5: Priesss exactly, you know, the high priesss of blood.
Speaker 6: Yes, so that that was what she was called.
Speaker 7: So maybe potentially with her being able to get that
Speaker 7: many sacrifices and then eating the hearts freshly cut and stuff,
Speaker 7: maybe she was able to gain some type of favor,
Speaker 7: power whatever, and then to be used with for the cartel,
Speaker 7: for a government or something maybe she was maybe she
Speaker 7: actually did actually achieve something enough to where she was
Speaker 7: able to be, you know, snatched up by the days whoever.
Speaker 3: That they are actually became a sacrifice for them as well.
Speaker 3: You know she has all this collected power. Yes, and
Speaker 3: then you eat her heart, you know, you eat her
Speaker 3: heart and you gain her energy, her her powers.
Speaker 7: Where she became a true vampire and dipped into that society.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so depending on the route you go, I mean,
Speaker 2: depending on there are certain ways that you would go
Speaker 2: about to become an actual vampire. The movies of how
Speaker 2: You Get Bit by One and that's complete Hollywood. A
Speaker 2: lot of the research that I've done into it says
Speaker 2: that then there's other organizations like OTO is an example
Speaker 2: of this, the Ordo Templi Orientie and allegedly you get
Speaker 2: to a certain level of magic with a K where
Speaker 2: you basically get told that you have one of three
Speaker 2: paths that you can take moving forward. It's kind of
Speaker 2: like free masonry, Like the first three levels are very basic.
Speaker 2: Everybody does this, but then you get to choose between
Speaker 2: York and Scottish Rite with this organization and others just
Speaker 2: like it. For the record, not just OTO. Once you
Speaker 2: hit a certain level of your witchcraft, you have to
Speaker 2: choose between one of three routes. One is of the
Speaker 2: shape shifter route, one is of the more delving, harder
Speaker 2: into witchcraft or warlocks or whatever, and the other one
Speaker 2: is into the realm of vamporism. And there's no cross sectioning.
Speaker 2: You can't also do shape shifting and vampism or whatever.
Speaker 2: You have to use which discipline because you're literally giving
Speaker 2: over your soul for this innate power. For lack of
Speaker 2: better words, I actually believe it would be a curse
Speaker 2: out of power, but they sure think it's a power.
Speaker 4: But whatever.
Speaker 2: And to say that this woman already had done these
Speaker 2: kind of foul acts, it makes perfect sense that she
Speaker 2: would like as far as the criteria goes, there's like
Speaker 2: a checklist of things you have to do to even
Speaker 2: be acknowledged to go into that next step. She probably
Speaker 2: accidentally did all of those and more. So at that point,
Speaker 2: why not just dive even deeper into it. Let's go,
Speaker 2: I could see a vampire route and maybe eat more.
Speaker 4: Of a brew. Ha is a female or bru hoo
Speaker 4: is a male?
Speaker 6: Correct is a female version of the witch?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Wow, I don't know I mean that's a crazy story
Speaker 6: for sure.
Speaker 7: I mean, well it's a crazy factual story and all
Speaker 7: this is verified, like anybody could look this shit up.
Speaker 5: All verified.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's quite difficult to try to navigate the truth,
Speaker 3: and like sometimes sometimes things kind of go a little
Speaker 3: bit off in directions. And I want to give a
Speaker 3: shout out to Blaze Stark. He actually wrote a comic
Speaker 3: book based on all this. He did a ton of
Speaker 3: this research, so shout out to him. He it's he
Speaker 3: did a very very good job of it as well.
Speaker 3: And I just want to like just wrap this up
Speaker 3: a little bit would be you know, so in your
Speaker 3: bo buena now it's no one wants to talk about
Speaker 3: this and trying.
Speaker 5: To talk to about any talking to any Mexican about this.
Speaker 5: Barely anybody knows about this.
Speaker 7: So there's so much that happens down there though that
Speaker 7: like true true, what happens in a small village is
Speaker 7: probably not known. Is not a horror story that gets
Speaker 7: passed around or anything. It's probably just one of those
Speaker 7: things that.
Speaker 6: Oh you ever heard of that weird village or you know,
Speaker 6: we have a lot of weird villages here though. But
Speaker 6: like up in the mountains, and stuff, and that you don't.
Speaker 5: Know people to hear about that kind of stuff, Like
Speaker 5: that thing is so huge, you know.
Speaker 6: I would assume more people know about it that you
Speaker 6: know a movie was made.
Speaker 3: Well, father, I mean sorry, not my father, my brother
Speaker 3: in law. He's quite into all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: He had no idea, and I I was talking to
Speaker 3: a friend of the family. He's like a fourteen year
Speaker 3: old boy who was very he loves to.
Speaker 5: Read and everything.
Speaker 3: He was the only one who actually knew about this.
Speaker 3: Everybody else I ever talked to had no idea. And
Speaker 3: like I said, if you go to Yureb Wuenna, they
Speaker 3: won't even tell you where.
Speaker 5: The cave was where the rituals took place.
Speaker 3: And it's what they actually did because they took everybody
Speaker 3: out of there is the government then brought in new villagers,
Speaker 3: new families from other areas from central Mexico and kind
Speaker 3: of seated this area and they took it over.
Speaker 5: So if you go into that.
Speaker 3: Town looking for answers, you know, the police will actually
Speaker 3: tell you you need to go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're asked to leave.
Speaker 2: So I know that at least the majority of Mexico
Speaker 2: is just wide open right aside from like the big cities,
Speaker 2: and you have like the suburbs right outside of these
Speaker 2: big cities. But for the vast majority of the country,
Speaker 2: they'll be like a village and then it will be
Speaker 2: forty miles until the next village, and then there'll be
Speaker 2: another fifty miles until the next village. So is your
Speaker 2: but Buena one of these where it's just a little
Speaker 2: speck of civilization outside of anything like this, just.
Speaker 3: A tiny, tiny speck. I would say maybe the population
Speaker 3: now maybe a couple hundred, that's all.
Speaker 6: It has in I wonder if they like replanted people
Speaker 6: there as plants.
Speaker 7: Well, there's some kind of there's some kind of energy
Speaker 7: like field there, something that you know, they fed the
Speaker 7: ground the blood and everything else. I wonder if there's
Speaker 7: because you know, obviously it seeps in, so maybe they
Speaker 7: actually opened up some kind of portal or maybe you know,
Speaker 7: they kind of did something there that they had to
Speaker 7: put people in, you know, families and stuff that were
Speaker 7: trusted by the government to be put there.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe, But that also makes sense, is why
Speaker 2: nobody heard of it, because outside of that village and
Speaker 2: maybe one to two villages outside of that, it's all
Speaker 2: like outside of earshot. I mean, they didn't have electricity,
Speaker 2: they didn't have run any water.
Speaker 7: They didn't have to know about it unless they actually
Speaker 7: lived close enough to it.
Speaker 2: The next town overheard about it because that kid made
Speaker 2: his way over, and maybe one or two towns outside
Speaker 2: of that heard the remnants of it. But that's not
Speaker 2: something that's going to be headline news all over Mexico.
Speaker 4: Helped.
Speaker 2: Most people in Mexico probably don't even know where this
Speaker 2: spot is. I would assume I don't know, but wow,
Speaker 2: and so cra have you made your way there?
Speaker 3: I have not.
Speaker 6: No, how far from you do go, you'll have to
Speaker 6: document the whole thing that is.
Speaker 3: That is a fair bit of a like if I
Speaker 3: drove there, probably like a twenty four or twenty hour drive.
Speaker 4: Damn, Okay, it's a good call.
Speaker 6: Yeah it's a John.
Speaker 4: We just made a twenty four hour drive like last month.
Speaker 6: Yeah, last month.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we drove from Louisiana.
Speaker 2: It's Philadelphia because we're both Marine corpsvettes and it was
Speaker 2: the two fiftieth Marine Corps birthday, so we were founded
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia.
Speaker 4: It was a whole big thing. But yeah, it was
Speaker 4: a twenty four hour drive.
Speaker 6: That is not one way.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that is not an easy ride by any means.
Speaker 5: Not at all.
Speaker 3: I would love to make a to do a tour
Speaker 3: of certain places within Mexico. Like there's the Zona de Salencia,
Speaker 3: which is called the Zona Silence. That's a crazy place.
Speaker 3: There's the the Moneca's like, well, the Island of the Dolls.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you ever heard about that.
Speaker 6: Yes, I have that you oh you have it. Okay,
Speaker 6: I actually know something that you haven't heard of, quick man.
Speaker 3: Here is the quick summary of it. There is a
Speaker 3: island near Mexico City in these canals. If you go
Speaker 3: on these canals and there's this little island. There was
Speaker 3: a eight year old girl who was on one of
Speaker 3: these and she who lived there and drowned. The caretaker
Speaker 3: decided that he wanted to appease her spirit and bring
Speaker 3: her candy and adult and he would kind of leave
Speaker 3: that there, and it kind of started as this ritual
Speaker 3: that he was doing. And then he drowned in the
Speaker 3: exact same spot that she did. And so then and
Speaker 3: the locals and then other.
Speaker 5: People just continued this.
Speaker 3: Now on this island, strapped to just about every piece
Speaker 3: of wood or anything.
Speaker 6: It's the creepiest thing.
Speaker 5: The dolls in the world. There's like these weather dolls.
Speaker 6: In their eyes are like so many of them, so many.
Speaker 3: Like thousands of these dolls. And I was watching josh Gate,
Speaker 3: Joshua Gates on one of his shows.
Speaker 5: There, and he's like videoing this. He's like, gonna be
Speaker 5: very crazy if one of.
Speaker 3: These dolls eyes opened, and also the dolls goes the
Speaker 3: eye opened just as he said that, and I was like,
Speaker 3: oh shit.
Speaker 2: Oh so people have been leaving these dolls as tribute
Speaker 2: for so long. How many of these people have died?
Speaker 2: Because like, for a fucking stop.
Speaker 6: Isn't there been like more dust? Isn't there a couple more?
Speaker 5: Only heard I only heard it two, Okay, I thought.
Speaker 7: There was like I think it was like one or
Speaker 7: two more. I thought when that area that some weird
Speaker 7: something happened. But the dolls are super creepy. It means
Speaker 7: it's a whole.
Speaker 6: It's not just a little pole here and there. No, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: it's it's a lot, and it's hanging from hanging. They're
Speaker 6: all over and it's oh it's creepy.
Speaker 5: Yet you got like a barn and it's all over.
Speaker 4: The bar like just Rose and Rose and yeah, no,
Speaker 4: I had never heard of this one. You got this
Speaker 4: one on me, Raymond.
Speaker 7: Finally, I feel I feel just like a slight like yes,
Speaker 7: because he always knows everything, and I'm always like.
Speaker 4: Man, Jesus, okay.
Speaker 6: Podcast a lot more than I listened.
Speaker 4: This is fair. This is fair. So you're saying that
Speaker 4: this whole story of this town and the cult and
Speaker 4: all this, Tarantino had heard of this and used it,
Speaker 4: at least in some way inspiration for dust Till Dawn.
Speaker 5: Somehow it is an inspiration from dust till.
Speaker 4: Dot Yeah, and he's he's admitted this.
Speaker 5: Where did I see this?
Speaker 3: I I don't know if he has admitted it completely,
Speaker 3: but it has come out that that is the inspiration
Speaker 3: for this.
Speaker 5: Is it a rumor? Is it a rumor?
Speaker 3: Is someone just making shit up? It could be, but
Speaker 3: it kind of has too much to tying in with it,
Speaker 3: you know it. That is the the thought that Quentin
Speaker 3: Tarantino never said that, Okay, But it's the thought that
Speaker 3: this is where it came from.
Speaker 4: I mean, especially a story off of the story like that.
Speaker 2: So many movie writers and scriptwriters and screenplays and whatever
Speaker 2: I want to call it have taken inspiration off of
Speaker 2: a story that they've heard long way back when, and
Speaker 2: how much of it's verified doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: That shit would look really good on camera, and then
Speaker 4: they turn into something else.
Speaker 7: Well, like the village in Virginia that's condemned. That's the
Speaker 7: that's the entire premise of Silent Hill.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, which it's condemned because the coal fire underneath, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, so I actually super love Silent Hill. I
Speaker 7: think some those are super fantastic movies. But that entire
Speaker 7: place is the whole premise behind that movie, is where
Speaker 7: it started and how it's entered and all the people.
Speaker 5: There's still a fire going on, right.
Speaker 7: It's still burning, and technically there is I think there was.
Speaker 7: There is people that stayed. Yeah, so they were They
Speaker 7: told people to leave. They came in and wanted try
Speaker 7: to get everyone out. I believe that there's ten people
Speaker 7: still there, or yeah, there's there. I know that there's
Speaker 7: still some people living here and they but they have
Speaker 7: not had any contact with the outside world in a
Speaker 7: long time.
Speaker 4: And I mean it's the government's fault that that fire
Speaker 4: is still going on in the first place.
Speaker 2: They kept drilling holes every so often to like send
Speaker 2: something down to test if it's still burning without covering
Speaker 2: it back up.
Speaker 4: So they just found some that's all they did.
Speaker 2: And it's like, okay, so y'all are the reason for
Speaker 2: this dope and these people that you know, especially in
Speaker 2: that section of Appalachia, they they are not leaving. They've
Speaker 2: been there for god knows how many centuries and how
Speaker 2: many generations. And yeah, that became the premise. And again
Speaker 2: it's not these people we can assume are not super
Speaker 2: inbred and killing all the outsiders.
Speaker 4: And all this stuff like the movies would suggest.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, that is a really good
Speaker 2: premise to then take and do some creative liberties on
Speaker 2: and make into something.
Speaker 4: So same thing with this story. Yeah, I could absolutely
Speaker 4: see it. And now I'm also one five residents.
Speaker 6: Excuse me, I was off.
Speaker 4: By there's only five people living in I knew that it.
Speaker 6: Was like ten.
Speaker 7: And yeah, no, So the population went from one thousand
Speaker 7: people in nineteen eighty to five residents in twenty twenty.
Speaker 7: So the fire started in nineteen sixty two and continues
Speaker 7: to burn.
Speaker 6: Till this day.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and there's actually they flew in drones during COVID.
Speaker 7: Actually they flew in of course, because people were bored. Yeah,
Speaker 7: people were bored, and so people flew in drones in there.
Speaker 7: And I remember seeing there's entire houses that pretty much
Speaker 7: is just like say, people just packed up their shit
Speaker 7: in the middle of the day, was shit on the
Speaker 7: tables and just left.
Speaker 4: Yeah, screw it.
Speaker 6: And then there's those people that didn't leave, and it's
Speaker 6: like five people. I wonder what they know that we
Speaker 6: don't like, why did they stay?
Speaker 7: Why would they be so dead set on staying in
Speaker 7: a town that's completely contemned.
Speaker 2: Also, can you imagine hating society so much that the
Speaker 2: government's offering to move you and you're just like, nah,
Speaker 2: I'd rather sit here and wait to die and fuck
Speaker 2: with you people.
Speaker 7: Maybe they're the gatekeepers of hell, cause you know, it's
Speaker 7: believed to be one of the spots that you could
Speaker 7: potentially get to Hell.
Speaker 4: I hadn't heard that part.
Speaker 6: You haven't.
Speaker 7: You never did the weird deep dive into the theories
Speaker 7: of different places like this, like the forest where everyone
Speaker 7: goes to die in Japan.
Speaker 4: Oh it's suicide forest, yeah, or like you know, but
Speaker 4: this is.
Speaker 6: One of those.
Speaker 7: So there's like a whole list of them, and there's like,
Speaker 7: different people, you know, have different theories about it, but
Speaker 7: the one of them is that the pockets that are
Speaker 7: still burning, potentially you could get into a hellish realm
Speaker 7: or hell itself.
Speaker 4: Fuck that.
Speaker 6: And I'm like, no, good, I think I would move out.
Speaker 5: No bite you? Oh god, yeah, no, I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 6: Right, I'm like, I don't I got to live there.
Speaker 6: I think I'm just gonna, you know, maybe pack my
Speaker 6: shit and leave, or just leave it all and just
Speaker 6: walk out. Like that's what it looked like with some
Speaker 6: of the pictures that they kind of you know, it's
Speaker 6: like floating.
Speaker 7: This guy was like droning around it, and you could
Speaker 7: see where there's been some activity of life, but not
Speaker 7: a bunch and it was very dystopian, very creepy.
Speaker 6: The whole town was super creepy. And it does look
Speaker 6: a lot like Silent Hill to me.
Speaker 2: And I'm just thinking, if you, if you were to
Speaker 2: go to what's the name of this place again, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna butcher it if I try to pronounce it.
Speaker 4: You're a ba buena. I could just imagine going into
Speaker 4: these caves even.
Speaker 2: Today, and they'll even let you well, I mean, I'm
Speaker 2: assuming you're allowed to like explore the mountains. I don't know,
Speaker 2: but assuming that you can, what are the chances that
Speaker 2: you'll happen. I'm sure not every single cave was used
Speaker 2: for some sort of a purpose, but what are the
Speaker 2: chances you'll find yourself in one of these caves where
Speaker 2: this type of horrible shit happened.
Speaker 4: I wonder what kind of spirits are still roaming in
Speaker 4: that cave?
Speaker 7: Right, I've watched this scent too many times to go
Speaker 7: up in any damn cave.
Speaker 4: Really. Oh, there's a couple of caves that like, I
Speaker 4: actually think you would really love.
Speaker 6: I've been into a lot of caves, because we have
Speaker 6: a lot of caves in Oregon. But I will say
Speaker 6: that I've watched.
Speaker 7: That movie a one too many times and all I
Speaker 7: can think about is those damn people creature things down
Speaker 7: and blow And that's nope, I.
Speaker 5: Get I've actually I've only seen like the previews.
Speaker 6: You've never watched it?
Speaker 4: No, I don't know if I have.
Speaker 6: Honestly, Oh my god, this is one of the best movies.
Speaker 5: I I'm not a fan of horror movies. I try.
Speaker 5: I can tell the horror movies who I will watch. Yeah,
Speaker 5: he doesn't like me, I'm good.
Speaker 2: I like slasher movies, the Freddy Krueger, the Jason, the
Speaker 2: Mike Myers.
Speaker 4: I can get down that.
Speaker 2: Anything where there is any level of real spirits or
Speaker 2: demons or conjurings or something along these lines, I'm good.
Speaker 2: Just and it's not because I'm a Christian either, although
Speaker 2: it does tie into that, because I believe that those
Speaker 2: movies do carry a real spirit with that kind of shit,
Speaker 2: and I don't. I don't enjoy I don't get entertainment
Speaker 2: out of opening doors like that.
Speaker 4: That's just me.
Speaker 7: The Conjuring movie set. Actually, one of my friends just
Speaker 7: texted me as we're starting to show that she's just
Speaker 7: watching the last Conjuring movie.
Speaker 6: And she's like, this one is so scary, and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 6: so I need to watch it.
Speaker 7: But it's interesting because the astroplane and stuff that they
Speaker 7: talk about and how how they describe it is really
Speaker 7: interesting for people that like me, that dream really heavily
Speaker 7: and that have these weird out of body experiences.
Speaker 6: It's that movie.
Speaker 7: I feel like they're explaining it really well to people
Speaker 7: that have never dreamed. You like project yourself into another
Speaker 7: place and you feel like you're there and you can
Speaker 7: remember all this stuff.
Speaker 6: It's just, you know, I like horror movies. I always have.
Speaker 7: I actually have lost my taste though over the last
Speaker 7: probably I would say decade, maybe since since I really
Speaker 7: became a parent. I used to love super gory horror
Speaker 7: films and I've always been into them my whole life.
Speaker 7: Now I don't purchase it. They're kind of like one
Speaker 7: of those things that like, I like them, but I
Speaker 7: don't like them. Descent is not like that. So I'll
Speaker 7: just give you a like quick So this group of
Speaker 7: women there, all of them are. They go into the
Speaker 7: caves and they do this all the time. They you know,
Speaker 7: go down into the caves. They do the cave systems.
Speaker 7: They that's their like vibe, that's and they always do it. Well,
Speaker 7: they go into this uncharted cave.
Speaker 2: System way wait, pause, pause, A group of women are
Speaker 2: cave diving as a hobby. Yes, already off to the
Speaker 2: liberal uh, the the artistic liberties.
Speaker 6: But go ahead, because women can't cave dive.
Speaker 2: Not a group of them, one out of a group
Speaker 2: of of a of cave divers, for sure. I have
Speaker 2: never in my life heard of a group of women
Speaker 2: doing that level of shit. No, no, why do you
Speaker 2: tell me why don't women do that?
Speaker 6: I mean, I guarantee there is a group. I guarantee
Speaker 6: there is women that do us.
Speaker 4: That sounds wild to me, but all right, go ahead continue.
Speaker 6: Uh huh okay, anyways, I love that.
Speaker 5: Uh huh.
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to sound sexist, but like.
Speaker 7: Not trying and being outright sexist, there's two different things
Speaker 7: right there.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that women can't enjoy cave diving, for sure,
Speaker 2: but to say like, oh, it's just a group of
Speaker 2: women and they just do that, Like, no the fuck
Speaker 2: they don't?
Speaker 6: Why though?
Speaker 5: Why?
Speaker 4: Why? That's just not something that I could imagine ever
Speaker 4: in my wildest dreams.
Speaker 6: Again that you're what's the premise of your your theory though?
Speaker 2: Just because they're women, Most women don't inherently want to
Speaker 2: do a lot of wild danger shit like that.
Speaker 4: There are women that dole.
Speaker 7: Women that like to do all sorts of very intense
Speaker 7: sports and activities and things like that.
Speaker 2: For sure, but those are the outliers. That's like not
Speaker 2: a standard thing that all women love doing.
Speaker 7: That.
Speaker 4: That's crazy out loud.
Speaker 6: That's probably the most sexist bullshit I've ever heard you say.
Speaker 4: Am I am I wrong.
Speaker 6: Yes, I don't see how that's like.
Speaker 7: It is, women enjoy activities and dangerous quote unquote sports
Speaker 7: just as much as men do.
Speaker 6: I don't now men are stupid.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 6: I will say men are more stupid when it comes
Speaker 6: to things like that, maybe like.
Speaker 2: Doing more dangerous, risky shit. And I don't mean because
Speaker 2: we're cooler. I mean just because we're hardwired to do
Speaker 2: really dumb shit. So it makes more sense in that regard. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you women are smarter for avoiding this kind
Speaker 2: of shit, But okay, sure.
Speaker 7: So the movie has this group of women. They've been
Speaker 7: doing this, they've been friends for a really long time.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of different like bullshit drama in the
Speaker 7: backstory of everything. But they go into this cave system
Speaker 7: they've never been into before. It's not charted. All these things.
Speaker 7: Right out the gate, they start having all sorts of
Speaker 7: weird shit happened. So in the cave system itself is
Speaker 7: pretty much they're people that have over time evolved into
Speaker 7: these creatures that have different abilities of like sight and
Speaker 7: sound and all this stuff, and they hunt them through
Speaker 7: this cave system, and like the whole thing is they're
Speaker 7: they're trying to survive. Oh yeah, no, some of their friends.
Speaker 7: A lot of the people get got and it's this
Speaker 7: whole thing. And like the scene at the very end
Speaker 7: is crazy because they there is a it's they're coming
Speaker 7: from the ground up and it is a mountain of
Speaker 7: bones where all this deer carcass and all these things.
Speaker 6: Because the locals feed these fuckers, oh shit.
Speaker 7: Because they know that they're down there, and so they
Speaker 7: don't want to get got by these things, so they
Speaker 7: just every now and again throw some deer or whatever
Speaker 7: they have down this hole. So that, yeah, so that
Speaker 7: they will eat down there because they're breeding down there.
Speaker 2: So am I getting this one mixed up with my
Speaker 2: bloody Valentine? Is that the one where they're in the
Speaker 2: caves and the miners are trying to kill them?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 6: All right, so I believe that Valentine is Jason is
Speaker 6: a Jensen?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yep, okay, so.
Speaker 6: Jensen is that one?
Speaker 7: No, So they're So it comes down to these best
Speaker 7: friends and they're climbing out and all this stuff and
Speaker 7: these scenes are behind them and the locals are all
Speaker 7: in on this whole thing. And so there's actually two
Speaker 7: different movies. But the first one is the really good one.
Speaker 7: And so every time I think of a cave system,
Speaker 7: like an uncharted cave system, I think about those damn
Speaker 7: creatures down there and them just being there.
Speaker 6: And it's like, yep, nope.
Speaker 7: So when I'm thinking of these caves that these people
Speaker 7: were doing the sacrifices, it's like, you know, what are
Speaker 7: the odds that maybe some nasty negative energy bullshit is
Speaker 7: left into these caves and there's some weird stuff in there.
Speaker 4: Oh, one of the villagers that survived and like hit
Speaker 4: off in the cave.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, some of the villagers went in there and
Speaker 7: stayed and just you know, created this whole system into it.
Speaker 6: Yo, now you need to watch it. Yeah, you both
Speaker 6: need to watch the movie.
Speaker 7: I you know, I know the cult members have seen
Speaker 7: it because I've mentioned it before and a lot of
Speaker 7: people were like mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Now I can't not think of that. That has to
Speaker 2: be an option. They they arrested the whole town, nobody
Speaker 2: like escaped into the I feel like.
Speaker 7: There's exactly some of them had to have gone into
Speaker 7: the cave system, and which is and if they were
Speaker 7: really having you know, vampire shit, Like, what are the
Speaker 7: odds that they potentially turned into something along the lines,
Speaker 7: because I will say in the movie, they do very
Speaker 7: much they have pointed years kind of like the really
Speaker 7: ugly amps, know, the really ugly vampires because they've mutated
Speaker 7: and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: And so yeah, no, it's it's a movie. It's really
Speaker 6: good movie. Yes, by the way, that movie sucks so bad.
Speaker 6: Oh my god, it's so boring.
Speaker 2: It's so you don't even like the class like they're not.
Speaker 2: They're talking about the new notes from I'm talking out.
Speaker 6: The new one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the classic, the classic. You knew what you were
Speaker 7: getting into the New One. Honestly, I thought it was
Speaker 7: going to be more than what it was. I will
Speaker 7: say for the cinematic if you are a person that
Speaker 7: really enjoys true cinematic films in that style and everything
Speaker 7: like that, it had a lot of aspects that were
Speaker 7: really awesome. But it was very boring to me, And
Speaker 7: which is crazy because I actually can sit through almost
Speaker 7: any movie and somehow find something I liked. In most movies,
Speaker 7: I was bored. I actually was reading my book while
Speaker 7: I was sitting in the movie theater.
Speaker 6: I'm not.
Speaker 2: Now you said you don't like horror movies, even like
Speaker 2: the original Dracula, the Mummy, the Creature from ten thousand,
Speaker 2: or The Black Lagoon and like all of the different.
Speaker 3: So certain things I do watch like that kind of
Speaker 3: those kind of things. Yes, I do, not the original ones,
Speaker 3: but like like vampire movies, I'll watch, you know, like Boys,
Speaker 3: Oh sure, Boys.
Speaker 5: Lost Boys was.
Speaker 6: Lost Boys was great.
Speaker 7: Blade though, Blade is just there's so many aspects of
Speaker 7: Blade though that if you actually break down the movie.
Speaker 6: The Harvesting of Humans is one of one.
Speaker 7: Of the things that I talk about all like I
Speaker 7: think about all the time and how they put them
Speaker 7: in the sacks and they had they were training them out.
Speaker 6: But that's not the only movie they like that. There's
Speaker 6: tons and tons and tons of movies that show similar things.
Speaker 7: The Scorch Trials, uh, the Major Runner the movies, Yeah,
Speaker 7: the Major Runner series they have. I think it's the
Speaker 7: second one, the Scorch Trials. Is they have them hooked
Speaker 7: up to similar machines. They're hanging, they have them, they're
Speaker 7: draining out their blood, they're doing all of this stuff
Speaker 7: and it's almost identical. Except the only thing different is
Speaker 7: is they don't have them in like the little freezers
Speaker 7: set that are you know, squishing them in. But I
Speaker 7: think that's honestly how they're harvesting a lot of people.
Speaker 6: And that was kind of like these.
Speaker 3: Movies like that, like I I find I find quite interesting.
Speaker 3: So you know, dark movies, dark thrillers, that is the
Speaker 3: stuff I get into, such as see a movie I
Speaker 3: can't stop talking.
Speaker 5: About is Dark City. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 5: ever seen Dark City that.
Speaker 6: Matthew McConaughey, No, no, So.
Speaker 3: Dark City is this city that it's always dark and
Speaker 3: at around midnight every night, they there's these creatures that
Speaker 3: shut shut the city down. Everybody goes unconscious, and key
Speaker 3: for Sutherland is in there and he is the only
Speaker 3: human who knows what's going on, and he injects people
Speaker 3: with new memories.
Speaker 5: So what they're trying to do is they're trying to figure.
Speaker 3: Out how they can continue because this species of like
Speaker 3: these aliens that look humanish but they look alien.
Speaker 4: Pasty white wearing dark trench coats and ship.
Speaker 2: Yes, at the very end, he's like in standing in
Speaker 2: front the whole council one the one that looks like
Speaker 2: kids like kill him.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, I have seen it. Okay, that is it.
Speaker 5: That is a fantastic film.
Speaker 3: And it's because they've been abducted and there have been
Speaker 3: there running these trials on these people, and no one's
Speaker 3: ever been It's it's Dark City because it's it's always
Speaker 3: tilted into the dark, because these creatures love the dark.
Speaker 6: I don't think i've actually seen this movie.
Speaker 4: That's pretty solid, fantastic.
Speaker 7: That's crazy to come on sometimes, Okay, I mean I've
Speaker 7: watched so many movies.
Speaker 6: I don't think I've actually seen one.
Speaker 5: I've watched it a bunch of times. There's another one too.
Speaker 5: I can't remember the.
Speaker 2: Bad guy from a Night in that one too, the
Speaker 2: bad guy from a Night's Tale. It's got the wonky eye.
Speaker 2: I thought he was in the Dark City as well.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I could be wrong anyway.
Speaker 3: But there's another great movie you guys should watch, and
Speaker 3: I will pass that on the name of it, but
Speaker 3: I can't remember. It is where the sacrifice a red heifer.
Speaker 3: This guy sacrifices this red cow to gain these special
Speaker 3: abilities to see beyond the veil so he can actually
Speaker 3: see these marketing companies.
Speaker 5: And their their logos or they're whatever it is.
Speaker 3: It comes to life and it's kind of like all
Speaker 3: about these addictions and like these people are like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm hungry, and you can see this thing on them.
Speaker 5: It's kind of like feeding on them.
Speaker 3: It's getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and it's it's
Speaker 3: driving them to go and consume more.
Speaker 7: Oh man, wow, well that reminds me of the the
Speaker 7: book called The Oath, and the Oath is a premise
Speaker 7: about a town that gets attacked by evil spirits sets
Speaker 7: leeching off of these people, and only certain people can
Speaker 7: see them, and they pretty much hang on your back
Speaker 7: and they're like leeching from you and it's this whole Oh,
Speaker 7: it's is a creepy book.
Speaker 2: And you said the Oath, my brain went to the
Speaker 2: vow that Channing Tatum movie that was dog shit.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 6: Oh no, no, no, this is a really old book.
Speaker 7: But the premise is actually really creepy and and how
Speaker 7: it the demons or whatever they are, they're leeching off
Speaker 7: of people and this whole town is infected by them
Speaker 7: and stuff. It's just I don't know, I haven't read
Speaker 7: my my mom actually read me this book, like sometimes
Speaker 7: we just yeah.
Speaker 4: How like childhood reading?
Speaker 7: No no, no, I was like I was like thirteen
Speaker 7: or fourteen. But I would like be hanging out doing
Speaker 7: my homework and my mom. I love to listen to
Speaker 7: my mom read and she was She's an avid reader,
Speaker 7: and so am I, and so this in particular, this
Speaker 7: book she was reading to me. And I don't remember
Speaker 7: a lot about the book, but I'll never forget like
Speaker 7: when they describe these things hanging off the people.
Speaker 6: And they were like hunched.
Speaker 7: The people were like hunched over walking and this one
Speaker 7: of the characters could see these scenes like sucking the
Speaker 7: life from them. It was just really creepy. It has
Speaker 7: always stuck with me, and I haven't read the book
Speaker 7: honestly since I was a kid.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I actually just looked up that movie I
Speaker 5: was talking about.
Speaker 3: It's called Branded Branded, Yeah, and they have like so
Speaker 3: it like if you really like this one burger, this
Speaker 3: this logo or this thing of a burger would be
Speaker 3: like kind of like leeching off of you, kind of
Speaker 3: what you said, like on your back and be like
Speaker 3: and it just gets bigger. Then as you satisfied that
Speaker 3: that hunger, let's say you go and eat one of
Speaker 3: these burgers, this piece that would like break off and
Speaker 3: it would go and float up and connect with like
Speaker 3: this mother entity over top of you, like over top
Speaker 3: of like the building.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 5: It's crazy.
Speaker 4: So it's basically collecting your data.
Speaker 3: Kind of well, it's collecting your your your energy, your
Speaker 3: your desires.
Speaker 5: You know, it's kind of like this. It's it's feeding
Speaker 5: off of your your cravings.
Speaker 3: That would maybe the best best way to say. It's
Speaker 3: like your cravings and it's driving you to consume more.
Speaker 4: That is insane.
Speaker 6: So this is a murder mystery. Sorry.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So it says Inconvenienced that his brother was really
Speaker 7: killed by a bear whill camp in the Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 7: Ephen Brinson, a wildlife biologist, decides to investigate on his
Speaker 7: own and discovers a town controlled by evil. And it
Speaker 7: is is an older book, but it's a it's a
Speaker 7: really good book. And I'm not a big mystery person.
Speaker 7: My mom is a super mystery reader, but that book
Speaker 7: in particular just was real creepy. And how the whole
Speaker 7: evil control and corrupted the entire town.
Speaker 4: Is it crazy that I really want to go check
Speaker 4: out these caves?
Speaker 6: I already knew that. I already knew you were gonna
Speaker 6: be like, let's do it.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it depends if there's like a
Speaker 2: weird connecting cave system through all these mountains where there
Speaker 2: could be creatures living in that.
Speaker 4: I don't want none of that.
Speaker 5: I think there's a connecting cas system there. But here
Speaker 5: where I live, there.
Speaker 6: Are like there's caves everywhere around there.
Speaker 3: Where I live. Actually, I live on top of the
Speaker 3: cave of the Bull. So there was a like shaman
Speaker 3: Brujo who lived in this area.
Speaker 6: And maybe we don't watch that movie because I don't
Speaker 6: feel like you're.
Speaker 5: On the top of his cave. Like literally our house
Speaker 5: is built on the on his on the caves of
Speaker 5: this show.
Speaker 7: Oh no, don't watch the movie. I don't think you'll
Speaker 7: ever want to see. I don't think you'll sleep again
Speaker 7: once you watch.
Speaker 5: Like, no, there we go.
Speaker 6: Okay, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just curious what kind of like artifacts
Speaker 2: could you find, right if they if you would find
Speaker 2: their chalice or one of the blades that they use
Speaker 2: for these sacrifice or something like that. And I'm not
Speaker 2: saying like I'll bring that home and keep it, because
Speaker 2: this is clearly got demonic all over.
Speaker 6: It, right, but I don't wantn't even touch it.
Speaker 5: Well, what about human bones. I'm sure you could find
Speaker 5: human bone.
Speaker 7: And let's they decided to do a full sweep, so
Speaker 7: they erased everything even so they would.
Speaker 3: Have to miss something right thing, So like like when
Speaker 3: they're like chopping up these people mutilating these bodies, there's
Speaker 3: gonna be there's It's.
Speaker 4: Not like these are.
Speaker 2: It's not like these are Aztec priests that have been
Speaker 2: doing it since they were teenagers, that are like basically
Speaker 2: surgeons with obsidian blades and know exacts where to cut
Speaker 2: and do it efficiently.
Speaker 5: These were six weeks.
Speaker 2: This is a sixteen year old prostitute high off for
Speaker 2: ass who bludgeoned one chick to death of the rock
Speaker 2: and then god knows what they were doing with the
Speaker 2: rest of them, but cutting out the still beating heart
Speaker 2: like that's you only had so many trial and errors
Speaker 2: to learn how to do that. It's got to be
Speaker 2: pretty messy. And now I mean that like just with
Speaker 2: the blood, I mean like it's there's got to be
Speaker 2: fragments all over the place.
Speaker 4: Holy shit.
Speaker 2: And then talking about the adrenochrome. Shit, I'm wondering if
Speaker 2: and with the blades like they were doing with the
Speaker 2: ancient Aztecs, and shit, I could understand that blood being
Speaker 2: highly adrenalized and highly condensed, because these blades were used
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 4: Over and over and over and over again.
Speaker 2: With this cult, they only had and let's just say
Speaker 2: sub twenty murders, and not all of them were done
Speaker 2: with the exact same knife or whatever the case is.
Speaker 4: I'm wondering how much of that.
Speaker 2: State of mind where they would start doing these blood
Speaker 2: orgies and shit, how much of that was because of
Speaker 2: the adrenalized blood that they were con and how much
Speaker 2: of that was because of the peote that was also
Speaker 2: in the adrenalized blood that they were consuming.
Speaker 4: Right, I feel like maybe six and one a hand
Speaker 4: a half dozen in the other. But I just don't know.
Speaker 6: H I don't know.
Speaker 4: That's wild.
Speaker 6: Do you believe in vampires?
Speaker 4: Yep, same.
Speaker 3: I thoroughly believe in energy vampires. I think energy vampires
Speaker 3: are much more common than anybody who cares to believe.
Speaker 3: But I do believe that there are actual vampires.
Speaker 5: Out there, But the real type of vampire, I think
Speaker 5: is much more hidden. The energy vampires are everywhere.
Speaker 7: That is clear.
Speaker 3: When I was talking about like the Kardashians, a bunch
Speaker 3: of energy vampires.
Speaker 5: Driven from us.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know what the fuck I would even
Speaker 4: call them that.
Speaker 2: There possibly, yes, energy vampires, very possibly just demon spawn.
Speaker 2: I mean, I I don't know. I don't think they're
Speaker 2: really what we would classify as human anymore. That's for
Speaker 2: damn sure.
Speaker 6: I think there's something else, But I don't know what
Speaker 6: kind of vampires. Do you think that?
Speaker 7: Do you think any of the lore or movies might
Speaker 7: be any There's a lot of different types of vampires
Speaker 7: that people have suggested just in the last like three
Speaker 7: decades of what could be a vampire.
Speaker 5: Well, I do believe that there is.
Speaker 3: I actually believe that there is like different stages. I
Speaker 3: think that there is a species. I think there actually
Speaker 3: is a species that maybe we classified maybe whereas like
Speaker 3: more as the nosporat do kind of thing. Maybe, yeah,
Speaker 3: like something something that is not human. It's not human
Speaker 3: no matter what you do, you can never become that.
Speaker 3: But there are people who try to emulate that. And
Speaker 3: I think that that that is what happens a lot
Speaker 3: in our societies where people try to emulate like aliens, demons,
Speaker 3: and they try to you know, they have like when
Speaker 3: they try to elongate their skulls and everything like that
Speaker 3: it is all to emulate this other, these other greater beings.
Speaker 3: So I do believe that there is actual vampires. I
Speaker 3: also am a firm believer in inviting things in. You
Speaker 3: have to invite them into your house, otherwise they cannot enter.
Speaker 3: I extremely believe that though. If you've invited something into
Speaker 3: your body and then into the house, sorry, you're so
Speaker 3: so well. And the reason one thing I'll talk about
Speaker 3: in that is in that context is like when people
Speaker 3: talk about Bigfoot, they have a lot of bigfoot sasquash
Speaker 3: experiences where Bigfoot is never entering the house, slapping the
Speaker 3: house and doing crazy ass shit, but they never enter
Speaker 3: the house. They could easily break in, but they don't
Speaker 3: because they're not welcomed in. And which brings me to
Speaker 3: one thing. We have welcome mets in front of our houses, everybody,
Speaker 3: that's the thing put the.
Speaker 5: Welcome at you know, welcome in. Is that an invitation
Speaker 5: to allow something into your house?
Speaker 3: Is that an open invitation? You put a welcome met?
Speaker 3: Are you actually saying sure, come on in? Is that
Speaker 3: an actual the obligation? Is that like a.
Speaker 5: Covenant that you've just created where you're inviting something in?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 7: That's a smart that's a smart idea. I don't know now,
Speaker 7: I only thought about it like that.
Speaker 2: I know of one guy who claims that he has
Speaker 2: sasquatch living in his house with him. But it's also, yeah, this,
Speaker 2: I love Scott to death. I want him to come
Speaker 2: back on the show here soon.
Speaker 3: But uh.
Speaker 2: He lives in Louisiana, and he claims the reason why
Speaker 2: he walks to the limbs still to this day is
Speaker 2: because he was walking down his stairs and they, according
Speaker 2: to him, the Sam squench will send their younglings to
Speaker 2: live with humans to learn their ways, to learn how
Speaker 2: to avoid them when they get into their adolescence and
Speaker 2: teenage and adult years.
Speaker 4: And so apparently he has a brood or a litter.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the fuck you would call a
Speaker 2: group of baby Sam squenches, but apparently he's got a
Speaker 2: grouping of them. But they're but they're invisible. Gotta keep
Speaker 2: that in mind. But that's that's very very important. And
Speaker 2: apparently they ran up under him while he was walking
Speaker 2: down the stairs and he fell. And his wife believes
Speaker 2: us too. It's a whole thing. They're very mischievous little creatures.
Speaker 2: But he believes that these are what some might call angels,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, all right, yeah, that's He's one of
Speaker 2: the only people I've ever heard makes such a claim.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing when it comes to cryptids, it
Speaker 2: depends on who you ask. Some people will say that
Speaker 2: these are clearly demons. Some people will say these are
Speaker 2: clearly angels. Some people will say these are clearly the
Speaker 2: missing link of some sort of you know, zoological conversation
Speaker 2: that we don't have the answers for. Some people say
Speaker 2: these are aliens, aaron dimensional. It goes into whatever whatever
Speaker 2: flavor profile you want. There is a group on the
Speaker 2: internet that agrees with you. So, I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 2: But to your point, the vast majority of sasquatch things
Speaker 2: that happen in and around someone's home or dwelling, whatsoever,
Speaker 2: happen on the outside. He is the only person I've
Speaker 2: ever heard claim that he has them in his house
Speaker 2: with him.
Speaker 3: In my opinion, then the only way that that why
Speaker 3: it's inside is he's invited allowed it, right, And I
Speaker 3: think that they could be the children of the nephiliw
Speaker 3: theot is.
Speaker 5: What they call that.
Speaker 4: I've heard some people make these claims as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's a possibility. Or they are the experimentations
Speaker 5: of the fallen.
Speaker 3: And when people claim they're like, oh, they're angels, well,
Speaker 3: the fallen our angels. You know.
Speaker 5: People always confuse that demons, you know.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh no, this dude believes that they're the
Speaker 4: reason why the walls of Jericho fell.
Speaker 2: Like he believes that they are acting on behalf of Yalweh,
Speaker 2: Like the Sasquatch are our benevolent and good beings, he claims.
Speaker 4: And I God, I wish he would take us with
Speaker 4: him on one of these trips.
Speaker 2: One day, he's told us we have a national forest,
Speaker 2: Kasachi National Forest, not too far well, it's about like
Speaker 2: a three hour drive from us, and this is where
Speaker 2: he's hunting, and this is where he has met them
Speaker 2: and all these things. He has family land the backs
Speaker 2: up to this national forest, and he has invited us
Speaker 2: to go camping with him and.
Speaker 4: Meet the Sasquatch ourselves. And I'm like, brother, who is
Speaker 4: this is this? His name is Scott Pace. He's been
Speaker 4: on this show.
Speaker 5: I was just about to say, is this Scott?
Speaker 4: You know him?
Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, I know Scott as well. Bro.
Speaker 2: He's a great guy. He is a genuinely good man.
Speaker 2: But I just I don't understand where his brain is
Speaker 2: at with this.
Speaker 5: But show enough, something is happening to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is is it actually Bigfoot that's there or is
Speaker 3: it something portraying to be Bigfoot that is in there?
Speaker 5: Now?
Speaker 4: You heard him talking.
Speaker 2: About the show Far where they blew the horn and
Speaker 2: they had like ten tribes of Sasquats show up.
Speaker 4: Okay, so do you know what a show fallen is
Speaker 4: or a show far might be mispronouncing? Is the two?
Speaker 4: It looks like ram horns that are used as a
Speaker 4: horn that the Jews blow, right, that.
Speaker 2: God calls to be the watchman on the wall and
Speaker 2: to blow this when the end times and all this stuff,
Speaker 2: all the things right. So apparently they went to I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if it's New Mexico or Utah, somewhere where
Speaker 2: it's desert, nothing around for miles, and they blew one
Speaker 2: of these things, and apparently ten different clans of Sasquatch
Speaker 2: came because this is the battle call to get aid.
Speaker 2: And he believes that they are the reason why the
Speaker 2: walls of Jericho fell in the Old Testament when they
Speaker 2: blew on the show and I'm like, all right, I
Speaker 2: can't discredit what you're saying, but also you're gonna need
Speaker 2: to break that down a little deeper for me, homie.
Speaker 5: Hmm, I agree, Yeah, agree.
Speaker 7: Have you guys seen this show The Strain? Speaking of vampires,
Speaker 7: the Strain, The Strain is what's called so when I
Speaker 7: mentioned this stegory, that is the those are the vampires
Speaker 7: in the movie.
Speaker 6: And it's a very or show.
Speaker 7: It's a very interesting show because these aren't like your
Speaker 7: traditional vampires. They are of a hive mindset and they're
Speaker 7: led by one specific vampire, and they have these like
Speaker 7: things that come out of their mouths that like inject
Speaker 7: people like that if they choose to do that.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, they have like a whole thing.
Speaker 5: And uh, it's kind of like Blade too. I'm Blade,
Speaker 5: they had that.
Speaker 7: It's pretty much the exact same thing. Actually, it's really
Speaker 7: similar to that. It's it's a very interesting thing. But
Speaker 7: that I'm just wondering when I when I talk to
Speaker 7: people about vampires, a lot of people will just go to, like,
Speaker 7: you know, Twilight vampires or something like that, and I'm like,
Speaker 7: I don't really think I really don't think it would
Speaker 7: be really pleasant looking vampires. If we're going to really
Speaker 7: categorize what they maybe there is stages of them, maybe
Speaker 7: depending on I don't know, depending on how what types there.
Speaker 7: Maybe there's different subgroups of them, and like the segories
Speaker 7: are one of them. Normal vampires, like when we think
Speaker 7: of like Blade or something like that, when they actually
Speaker 7: like look like people.
Speaker 4: I don't think those are the early stages, right, that's
Speaker 4: like they just got into it.
Speaker 6: Maybe they change while they continue, because like.
Speaker 3: They don't but make you make you think like they're
Speaker 3: able to possess you, like you know how they in
Speaker 3: the movies always showed like the Seduction. I think that
Speaker 3: they're able to seduce us, to make us believe what
Speaker 3: we're seeing is not you know, like oh yeah, this
Speaker 3: is a beautiful man or a beautiful woman, but in
Speaker 3: fact it's something that's much more grotesque.
Speaker 6: We think of that.
Speaker 7: I'm trying to think of that movie where they have
Speaker 7: so they started out, so there's stages.
Speaker 6: It's like an infection. It's almost what's that thing in
Speaker 6: Ben Been Her where they're.
Speaker 7: It's almost like leprosy, so like they start out being
Speaker 7: your start out, you're infected, like we are looking right
Speaker 7: now and as it the disease progresses.
Speaker 6: They become more and more, they lose their hair, they
Speaker 6: start it's I'm.
Speaker 5: Trying to think of the movie, would have become more Fairal.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they become more feral and stuff like that. They
Speaker 7: become really more grotesque and stuff. There's a movie Daybreak.
Speaker 7: I think it's Daybreak with God.
Speaker 6: I can't leave his name.
Speaker 7: Well, pretty much, they when the vampires start eating on themselves,
Speaker 7: When they start feeding on themselves, they start becoming grotesque
Speaker 7: and they start getting like deformed and all this stuff,
Speaker 7: and so they they chain them up and they actually
Speaker 7: drag them out into the sunlight because they're going hungry.
Speaker 6: They're all arming to death. Case, No, that's a zombie movie.
Speaker 2: Actually, if you read the book, it's actually more vampires. Well,
Speaker 2: they took a book that's based off of ten years
Speaker 2: and tried to condense it down to a two and
Speaker 2: a half hour movie, And there are so many things
Speaker 2: that are lost in translation on this.
Speaker 6: In that particular movie, they're zombies.
Speaker 7: But in this movie that I'm talking about, the daughter
Speaker 7: gets chained up and they fry ass outside and they're
Speaker 7: all going hungry because they've killed all their foods. Fly
Speaker 7: off and so they're looking for something an alternative blood,
Speaker 7: alternative kind of thing. But that's a great movie too.
Speaker 7: I watch a lot of vampire movies and vampire shows
Speaker 7: if you can't tell, So.
Speaker 5: That is awesome. I haven't watched very many movies lately.
Speaker 6: It's kind of like, oh, this is years of work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't have time. Yeah, I don't just
Speaker 2: sit and watch the same with Rake reading. I'm jealous
Speaker 2: of you. First off, that you enjoy reading.
Speaker 7: Because I have no time now because of the cult.
Speaker 7: I don't read anything really besides research. Last night, I
Speaker 7: couldn't sleep for like four hours in the middle of
Speaker 7: the night, and I was like, you know what, there's
Speaker 7: a book that I've been waiting to come out for
Speaker 7: three years. It's been sitting in my kindle for like
Speaker 7: two months now that I haven't even got to read
Speaker 7: a single page of.
Speaker 6: So I read two hundred pages last night.
Speaker 3: Yes, you do, as I was like, I'm like, maybe
Speaker 3: that's what we should be doing in the bathroom while
Speaker 3: we're sitting there for yeah, maybe half hour at a time,
Speaker 3: but I do.
Speaker 4: I'm watching a pod or watching a documentary research. I
Speaker 4: don't like, I'm not just going to stand there at
Speaker 4: the wall for forty five minutes. I'll watch the documentary.
Speaker 7: No, but you probably get sidetracked and you're just sitting
Speaker 7: there instead of actually taking care of your business.
Speaker 6: Saying yes, I am just saying that.
Speaker 4: I Actually I don't get down on shorts very often.
Speaker 2: I might see one or two things that are kind
Speaker 2: of interesting more often than I'm watching it turn or
Speaker 2: documentary about some ship as a form of research for
Speaker 2: something that I have coming up.
Speaker 6: Or you know, but then you listen to it on fast.
Speaker 7: I actually I actually started doing that now, but I
Speaker 7: didn't realize so many people do that. Oh I have
Speaker 7: to Oh yeah, people talk really slow. Now that I've
Speaker 7: started doing it, I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 4: It depends on the content career.
Speaker 2: There's a couple of dudes from Britain that I can't
Speaker 2: go twice the speed because they naturally have such a
Speaker 2: fast cadence of their speech that there's no fucking way
Speaker 2: I'd catch it. Then there's other people that and when
Speaker 2: this general went into this battle, they were stuck because like, bro,
Speaker 2: I'm double time, and that motherfucker like, there's no way
Speaker 2: this hour video is about to be thirty minutes, let's
Speaker 2: fucking go. Yeah anyway, But yeah, to your point, a
Speaker 2: lot of different research from a lot of different angles
Speaker 2: is what makes this look well.
Speaker 7: There's so many different theories when it comes to vampires
Speaker 7: and stories and lure, and you know, things have changed
Speaker 7: and it's just one of those that fascinate me completely.
Speaker 7: And I believe that there are vampires. I have always
Speaker 7: believed that they are vampires from the time I was
Speaker 7: a kid. Tell now, I don't think I'll ever change
Speaker 7: my opinion about that. I do think that there is
Speaker 7: different types of vampires, and I don't think that they
Speaker 7: are as pleasant as what a lot of the movies
Speaker 7: want people to believe. You know, I think there's a
Speaker 7: lot of things in our world that we glamorized and
Speaker 7: try to say that like.
Speaker 6: This is great, this is it's so nice.
Speaker 3: Purpose that is completely on purpose, you know, like like,
Speaker 3: for for instance, the TV show Lucifer as well, you know,
Speaker 3: it's like, oh.
Speaker 4: I can't fucking stand that show.
Speaker 5: I love the hero, he's this anti hero dude they had.
Speaker 4: I could get down with it just for the show
Speaker 4: and the entertainment value.
Speaker 2: And yes, you're right, they are totally glamorizing the devil
Speaker 2: himself and like, I'm not a fan of that, but
Speaker 2: also like for the character arc of it and all this,
Speaker 2: I could get down. I understand what they're trying to
Speaker 2: do here. Seems cool, all right, cool, a fucking detective show.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm only forty five going.
Speaker 4: On right now, you know what, this world needs a
Speaker 4: detective show with that devil. No one fucking asked for that.
Speaker 6: Only that's the part that it really just kind of
Speaker 6: annoyed me. I didn't.
Speaker 7: I actually watched probably almost I watched up until the
Speaker 7: last season, in the last few episodes, and then I
Speaker 7: ended up not watching all of it all the way through.
Speaker 6: But no, I liked it.
Speaker 7: I mean, but I also like different shows, but I
Speaker 7: don't like the detective thing. And on Buffy, the Vampire
Speaker 7: Slayer was my jam growing up, but that was my.
Speaker 4: Technive show right now you're talking about just for the
Speaker 4: the vampire ass.
Speaker 7: Yeah, vampire asset, more things like that. You know, It's
Speaker 7: it was an interesting show now watching as a growing up,
Speaker 7: I'm like, so he was like four hundred years old
Speaker 7: and she was like seventeen.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Oh I had a check.
Speaker 2: I was dating in high school, I was like super
Speaker 2: vampires and things like that, and she claimed, keep mind,
Speaker 2: very very dumb high school girl.
Speaker 6: My team Spike. Over here, she.
Speaker 2: Was allegedly communicating somehow with a guy that lived in
Speaker 2: Alaska because that's where real vampires live for obvious reasons,
Speaker 2: who claims that he was four hundred years old, and
Speaker 2: like if she ever made her way to Alaska, he
Speaker 2: was gonna turn her in this and this. I'm like,
Speaker 2: you are fourteen and you're talking to some guy who
Speaker 2: claims to be four hundred. None of this is seen
Speaker 2: as a red flag to you, like at all. Yeah, So,
Speaker 2: needless to say, we broke up within like two weeks
Speaker 2: of that conversation for obvious reasons.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I will say Team Spike, though, is where
Speaker 7: it's at it. I was team Angel for a long time.
Speaker 6: What they like? Okay, so there's two men.
Speaker 7: Spike is blonde hair guy, the bad boy, the one
Speaker 7: that has like super morally gray but also would burn
Speaker 7: the entire world for Buffy.
Speaker 4: Oh we're talking about Buffy got yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but but Angel is like the good guy and
Speaker 6: all the with a name like Angel what so.
Speaker 7: On that I been growing up, I'm like, you know,
Speaker 7: We're supposed to be like Team Angel, but like as
Speaker 7: an adult, I'm like, bro, Team Spike is where it's
Speaker 7: at all day.
Speaker 4: So is this like a team Edward and Jacob conversation,
Speaker 4: because that's why I.
Speaker 7: Says this well kind of, so Spike was definitely more
Speaker 7: the bad guy, the bad boy, the one that just
Speaker 7: like you, weren't supposed to like but also love Buffy
Speaker 7: but was always down to fuck shit up to save her,
Speaker 7: while as Angels kind of like.
Speaker 2: Why does she need saving? Did she just keep finding
Speaker 2: herself in weird situations?
Speaker 7: A lot of shit happened to her. There's so many
Speaker 7: things that happened. Also, like lesbian stuff happened. I remember
Speaker 7: that was like the first show that really well Xena also,
Speaker 7: but that was like the first show that really introduced
Speaker 7: like lesbian things.
Speaker 6: To people like this.
Speaker 7: Willow, Yeah, so Willow her best friend. Also like Gabrielle
Speaker 7: Zena's best.
Speaker 4: Friend, trying to glamorize this shit that was that was back.
Speaker 3: In the day.
Speaker 6: So it was really starting to indoctor me.
Speaker 2: But you know, you could look at the Disney Channel
Speaker 2: right now, how many shows in the last twenty years
Speaker 2: have tried glamorizing witchcraft, vampires, zombies, these types of things. Vamporina, well, Vamporina, well,
Speaker 2: I'm sure that's like a Halloween s.
Speaker 6: Ex show, but it's a kids show all about being
Speaker 6: a vampire.
Speaker 4: But I mean even.
Speaker 5: Monster High, you know, like adults Monster High.
Speaker 2: Halloween Town, which I do love the show, but they
Speaker 2: also try to glamorize so many of these things, acknowledging
Speaker 2: that there's witchcraft that is used for evil, but like
Speaker 2: not these witches, they're good guys. And it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: so you're glamorizing this two children who and granted it's
Speaker 2: a good storyline, and me and my kids watch it
Speaker 2: Halloween because it's it's very cheesy and it's Disney. But
Speaker 2: then you look at what was that show Wizards of
Speaker 2: Waverley Place with Selena Gomez when she was younger, right then,
Speaker 2: and they brought in all kinds of different types of
Speaker 2: monsters from time to time, and again it's super Disney.
Speaker 2: It's super cheddared, cheesy, and it's horribly acted and horribly scripted,
Speaker 2: and all these young stars are using it to advance
Speaker 2: their music careers that nobody asked for. It's the whole thing.
Speaker 2: And then cut to the Zombies franchise. They're on Zombies
Speaker 2: four right now. They just talked about Zombies five.
Speaker 6: Better not the zombies.
Speaker 4: Oh, that's that is Gay's aides. Have you seen any
Speaker 4: of it?
Speaker 5: Which which, yes, zombie that.
Speaker 2: Is the main cheerleader boy of the school, whose colors
Speaker 2: are hot pink and lime green.
Speaker 4: I'm a buy my point being made.
Speaker 6: You guys don't know what you're talking about. Do you
Speaker 6: have kids?
Speaker 5: Yeah? A kid?
Speaker 6: Okay, so don't watch it. My god, your kid loves it.
Speaker 4: My point, don't do that.
Speaker 6: Okay. It's a fantastic show. I love it.
Speaker 5: Make sure to keep it away from my Daughterhoh, it's
Speaker 5: so good.
Speaker 6: It's a musical.
Speaker 7: She she is an alien and she she thought she
Speaker 7: was aware wove she thought she was a were wolf.
Speaker 7: So with the zombie which which he's amazing.
Speaker 2: By the way, the first movie is versus zombies, but
Speaker 2: then by the end they become friends. And the second
Speaker 2: movie is Zombies and Humans versus wear Wolves, but then
Speaker 2: they all become friends.
Speaker 4: Third movie is.
Speaker 2: Zombies were Wolves and vampires or Zombies humans and wear
Speaker 2: wolves against aliens, and then they all become friends. Fourth
Speaker 2: movie is Zombies were Wolves aliens and humans versus vampires
Speaker 2: and day walkers who were made up and dumb, but
Speaker 2: they are at war against each other, and then they
Speaker 2: all become friends because like the power of friendship can
Speaker 2: overcome some dumb shit.
Speaker 6: That'll span of the fourth one, I will say number
Speaker 6: one by far.
Speaker 7: Is the best, but sure, but I mean, you know,
Speaker 7: it's it's more that's been around for a long long time,
Speaker 7: or but.
Speaker 2: They're glamorizing it to children, making it seem like this
Speaker 2: is okay and something to be looked up to, rather
Speaker 2: than like, no, these.
Speaker 4: Are creatures that are trying to kill you dog.
Speaker 3: That's that is the biggest underlying issue is where they're
Speaker 3: taking all this stuff that should be evil and terrible
Speaker 3: and making it all kid friendly, g g rated, you know,
Speaker 3: making everybody want to be that and want to aspire
Speaker 3: for that and want to accept that into their into
Speaker 3: their house.
Speaker 4: It's it's a wild time. And then it's not just Disney.
Speaker 2: There's so many movies and shows and channels out there
Speaker 2: that are taking themes that fifty years ago would have
Speaker 2: been seen as like no, we're not releasing a movie
Speaker 2: about this unless it's rated our point blank period. And
Speaker 2: now it's like, okay, so how can we make this
Speaker 2: for the seven and undercrowd? And that's the it's wild
Speaker 2: to me. But this is the world of which we
Speaker 2: live right now.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: It's the same conversation as far as like we're talking,
Speaker 2: not to just randomly segue into Epstein Island here, but
Speaker 2: hear me out.
Speaker 4: It's just a few years ago. Hold on, hear me out.
Speaker 4: Hear me out.
Speaker 2: A few years ago to say that there's an island
Speaker 2: where these global elites are taking children that have been
Speaker 2: kidnapped and all these things and doing horrible shit, we
Speaker 2: were looked at like we were fucking crazy. Cut to
Speaker 2: now that's a commonly understood thing, but they think that's
Speaker 2: the extent of it. Or we talk about these crazy
Speaker 2: blood cults or vampire cults or whatever else, and it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you mean like that's something that's relatively new.
Speaker 4: This is from bullshit.
Speaker 2: Nowhere'sville, Mexico in the nineteen sixties was doing this. And
Speaker 2: then you look at how many people are in jail
Speaker 2: right now for doing occult murders and satanic ritual abuse
Speaker 2: to people right now, and people just don't want to
Speaker 2: acknowledge that that's a thing that's been a thing for centuries.
Speaker 2: We're only just now learning about it, and it's becoming
Speaker 2: something that you have documentaries about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and everybody just, Oh, that doesn't happen here, that's
Speaker 3: the biggest thing.
Speaker 5: Oh that happened. Oh you know what.
Speaker 3: After the story, people are like, Oh, that just happened
Speaker 3: in Mexico. That doesn't happen here.
Speaker 4: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: Are you kidding me? No, this stuff happens all. This
Speaker 5: happens everywhere.
Speaker 4: We talked about this on an episode.
Speaker 2: There was a dude in the eighties who was the
Speaker 2: manager of a bank somewhere out west, and you know,
Speaker 2: he had some kind of business dealings that kind of
Speaker 2: seemed a little weird, but he was also the bank manager,
Speaker 2: so it was kind of brushed under the rug whatever.
Speaker 2: Come to find out, he and his cult were murdering
Speaker 2: children and doing horrible shit with their blood and with
Speaker 2: their bodies, and he finally got arrested and brought down
Speaker 2: for this. Then you have what's that other cult, the
Speaker 2: Order of Nine Angles, who are murdering people out loud
Speaker 2: and proud in the name of Satan. And these there's
Speaker 2: quote unquote Satanists that exists right now. They're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but that's not all Satanists, and it's like these people
Speaker 2: are true blue Satanists.
Speaker 5: Oh, Buttanists.
Speaker 4: That blows my mind.
Speaker 2: It's like not the Anton LaVey Satanists, where it's basically
Speaker 2: anti religion and you're just doing it with the edgy
Speaker 2: like edgy turn a phrase in order to get people
Speaker 2: pissed off. Fine, whatever, I still think that's stupid but cool.
Speaker 2: You're not actually worshiping Satan, You're worshiping yourself. It's new
Speaker 2: age bullshit with a dark twist. I'ma be honest with you.
Speaker 2: But the true worshipers of the Dark Lord, there are hundreds,
Speaker 2: if not thousands of them in jail right now for
Speaker 2: doing horrible abuse to children, to animals, to whatever.
Speaker 4: And people act like that's not happening. That is all
Speaker 4: over the US.
Speaker 2: Cut to a few years ago, there was over two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty children that were found in Baton Rouge, Louisiana,
Speaker 2: right by where we live, that were in the middle
Speaker 2: of being trafficked. They were discovered and this whole thing.
Speaker 2: Did it get investigated deeper?
Speaker 4: We don't know. Did who got brought to justin for
Speaker 4: this was there a restumate. We don't know. All we
Speaker 4: heard on the news is that there was two hundred
Speaker 4: and fifty kids.
Speaker 2: They were a part of these sexual trafficking abuse of children,
Speaker 2: you know highway, and they've been returned and to their
Speaker 2: families and that's the end. It was like a two
Speaker 2: minute segment on the evening news.
Speaker 3: And see the biggest issue is that people don't understand
Speaker 3: where these children come from. They're like, oh no, like,
Speaker 3: children aren't going missing. Children aren't going missing here.
Speaker 6: Eight hundred thousand just here in the US go missing
Speaker 6: every year.
Speaker 5: It's just in the US they are people are selling
Speaker 5: off their children. They are bringing them over the borders.
Speaker 3: It's you know what when So what a lot of
Speaker 3: Mexican families do here is they will pay the coyotes
Speaker 3: money to take their children because their children will be
Speaker 3: better off in the US, like they will have a
Speaker 3: better life.
Speaker 2: They're just trusting the coyotes actually going to deliver the package. Like,
Speaker 2: what's to say that he just decides that there's a
Speaker 2: better offer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna he's gonna take the money from the
Speaker 3: parents and then pass and sell them off to someone else.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what happens. I got a buddy mine is
Speaker 4: a tattoo artist.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, he made the crossing when
Speaker 2: he was I want to say, nine, and his mom
Speaker 2: was raped by the coyote and conceived a child. His
Speaker 2: younger brother is the best or child of this coyote
Speaker 2: and his dad knows it, knows what happened, all the things.
Speaker 2: What are you gonna do? Who are you gonna call
Speaker 2: for that kind of justice? He just raised this kid
Speaker 2: as his own and it's like, understood, this is what happened.
Speaker 2: And but at least we're in America now and it's like, bro,
Speaker 2: and that is not the worst that could have been.
Speaker 2: He could have sold you and your mom into sex
Speaker 2: slavery on the way because someone offered him a better
Speaker 2: deal and just took your dad's money and ran, Like
Speaker 2: why wouldn't he?
Speaker 4: It's insane.
Speaker 2: Then we see the under Obama administration, the kids in
Speaker 2: cages that they had, It's like, what do you think
Speaker 2: happened to those children in cages?
Speaker 4: And also how did those children end up at cages
Speaker 4: in the first place?
Speaker 2: They you know, some of them, some of them, like
Speaker 2: you said, their parents might have tried to seriously give
Speaker 2: them a better life in America, because even the lowest
Speaker 2: slums of America is better than mid tier in their
Speaker 2: section of Mexico.
Speaker 4: I don't know. Everybody's got their own situation. I get.
Speaker 2: That's to say that these were all sold by their
Speaker 2: families to pay a debt to their local cartel lord
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 4: The case is. It's it's insanity.
Speaker 7: I mean, human flesh has always been the most profitable
Speaker 7: trade in the world, so it's throughout history, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 7: human flesh has always been the most popular for whatever
Speaker 7: means it is, there will always be a market for it. Unfortunately,
Speaker 7: I just find it interesting how many though go missing,
Speaker 7: and then it's.
Speaker 6: Like where do they all go?
Speaker 7: Right, truly, I mean you're you're talking if you take
Speaker 7: an account, and they don't even have good statistics on
Speaker 7: how many children globally go missing. So let's say a
Speaker 7: million five a year go missing. You would find some
Speaker 7: bodies somewhere. That stands the reason like, is there somewhere
Speaker 7: that they're going or you know, truly, do aliens take
Speaker 7: them somewhere? Are they being harvested? I mean, yeah, you
Speaker 7: think they're being I think they're being consumed too.
Speaker 2: Cannibal cults are something that a lot of people don't
Speaker 2: talk about. We talked about this, the sexual abuse, absolutely think,
Speaker 2: adrenochrome extraction, absolutely thing, illegal organ harvesting, not denying that.
Speaker 2: So many people are negating the fact that cannibal cults
Speaker 2: are a thing and are on the fucking rise.
Speaker 7: They have been a real nice for about five years. Yeah,
Speaker 7: they've been hard since COVID been on the rise. The
Speaker 7: New York Times posted a big article about cannibalism and
Speaker 7: how you know, it's.
Speaker 6: Really not that bad. It's really not.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and there's there's tons of articles that have been
Speaker 7: written in the last five years about it. But I
Speaker 7: think that's preparing people to let them know that, hey,
Speaker 7: by the way, we have been having we have been
Speaker 7: giving you human meat now for.
Speaker 6: A couple of decades.
Speaker 5: They're softening the blow now because this is this is
Speaker 5: something they've been doing. They've been like, you know, three
Speaker 5: D printing, you.
Speaker 6: Know, three D printing your meat.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they've been making sausage out of three D printed people.
Speaker 4: Oh dude.
Speaker 2: The Campbell soup just had that that whole debacle because
Speaker 2: the CEO acknowledged it and then Campbell's like, none of
Speaker 2: our meat is three D printed. That was I don't
Speaker 2: even know why he was saying that, and it's like, no,
Speaker 2: you can't put Pandora back in the box.
Speaker 4: Dog that's out there.
Speaker 7: But I think if you think about what happens when
Speaker 7: people eat other people, they start to have a lot
Speaker 7: of health.
Speaker 6: Issues and mental health issues.
Speaker 7: And then you look at our society and how much
Speaker 7: has been on the rise of mental health issues. And
Speaker 7: I think there's obviously more people are comfortable with coming
Speaker 7: forward about having mental health issues.
Speaker 6: But if you really kind of wonder about what's going on,
Speaker 6: what if we are consuming human meat.
Speaker 7: I eat all the people that are going missing because
Speaker 7: we're just talking about children, We're not even talking about
Speaker 7: the adults that are going missing every year globally, so
Speaker 7: to feed the population of people globally, what if they're
Speaker 7: actually turning those people into whatever type of food and
Speaker 7: that's causing soilet green situation, and that's causing a lot
Speaker 7: of the mental health and physical health issues that we're
Speaker 7: seeing globally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean mental health ishus as though I I've
Speaker 3: got a I could, I could spend hours on them.
Speaker 3: So I think people wear their mental health as a badge,
Speaker 3: Like look at me. I've got this, and I got this,
Speaker 3: and I got this, and you guys, you guys need
Speaker 3: to accept me because I have this.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to deal with my shit, but you
Speaker 5: guys have to deal with my shit.
Speaker 6: I don't know why anybody would want to have anxiety.
Speaker 4: Because mentality is cool now.
Speaker 7: So I have actual diagnose anxiety along with a few
Speaker 7: other things that like I have to like really work
Speaker 7: at and I've done years and years and years of
Speaker 7: CBT therapy too, and exposure therapy, which, by the way,
Speaker 7: that is not fun for anybody that's ever actually done it.
Speaker 6: It's the most challenging thing possible.
Speaker 2: But you also don't go for medications, you know, these therapies,
Speaker 2: because you don't do the medication, don't.
Speaker 6: Do any medications, and it's very challenging.
Speaker 7: I have days where I personally I if I could
Speaker 7: give it to anybody that wants it, I would give
Speaker 7: it over a heartbeat, because it is very challenging when
Speaker 7: you can't when you know that you mentally you're battling
Speaker 7: this mental thing that you're like, this is so stupid
Speaker 7: right now.
Speaker 6: I don't know why this is happening.
Speaker 7: I don't want this to happen, and you're doing this
Speaker 7: whole thing and to try to you know, be good
Speaker 7: enough to continue on without your day.
Speaker 4: But then you hear these singers talking about how they
Speaker 4: have anxiety, and it's.
Speaker 7: Like that it's so great to have anxiety, and like,
Speaker 7: who the fuck is saying it's great to have anxiety? Like,
Speaker 7: have you ever had a panic attack where you're shitting yourself,
Speaker 7: you're throwing up, you feel like you're physically dying for
Speaker 7: forty five solid minutes.
Speaker 6: The peak is at fifteen minutes.
Speaker 7: Where you're like genuinely feel like you're dying, You're sweating, you're.
Speaker 5: Having a damn heart attack, but you're.
Speaker 7: Feeling like you're having a full bore heart attack and
Speaker 7: you're laying on your floor like feeling like I'm going
Speaker 7: to die at any second and there's nothing I can
Speaker 7: do about this, And then trying to mentally talk yourself
Speaker 7: off of this ledge of having this anxiety attack.
Speaker 6: And you know you can't do anything, You can't speed
Speaker 6: up the clock to get it better.
Speaker 2: Could you imagine if they glorified migraines in this way,
Speaker 2: is like, oh man, my migraine is so bad today, y'all,
Speaker 2: And it's like, oh, you poor thing, and it's like, yo,
Speaker 2: who the fuck is like making songs and glorifying having
Speaker 2: some skull splitting migraines.
Speaker 7: I don't understand, like, you know, for people that suffer,
Speaker 7: and there's a lot of people that have anxiety, and
Speaker 7: it's interesting how it's such on the rise. But I
Speaker 7: don't know why people would why anybody would glorify being
Speaker 7: full of anxiety or having to deal with it.
Speaker 5: Or and then you're talking about like the drugs that
Speaker 5: they take.
Speaker 6: Like this sss yes, and people would be like.
Speaker 5: What's crazy is? I have some friends who are like
Speaker 5: who will name off the drugs that they're on, like
Speaker 5: the labels, like oh, I'm on this, and I'm on this,
Speaker 5: I'm on this.
Speaker 6: What zolof I think it is?
Speaker 5: What like get ridden in that ship?
Speaker 3: Like that is?
Speaker 5: That's all part of this man.
Speaker 7: I will say though, as somebody that does not take medication,
Speaker 7: and I've had and I've been struggling through a lot
Speaker 7: of this for years now. When I have given in
Speaker 7: which I can tell you on one hand and seven
Speaker 7: and no about nine years taken a half of a
Speaker 7: xan X, I can tell you why people want to
Speaker 7: take these things because the recoup reboot time verse not
Speaker 7: having meds is definitely a complete different story. Like I
Speaker 7: you know, I'll spend all day dealing with trying to
Speaker 7: deal with coming off of that flight or flight high
Speaker 7: like that whole thing. I'm just anxiety is creeping through
Speaker 7: your body. You feel like you want to rip off
Speaker 7: your flip and skin because you could just feel it everywhere.
Speaker 7: Verse taking a XANX and give about twenty five minutes
Speaker 7: and all of a sudden you can breathe again, and
Speaker 7: it's like, oh, no, wonder these fuckers are so addictive.
Speaker 2: But that's why people get addicted, rather than putting in
Speaker 2: the work to handle whatever is the cause of their
Speaker 2: anxiety their stress. And I'm not trying to do belittle
Speaker 2: because some people out there there really have a lot
Speaker 2: of trauma that have led to them having anxiety problems,
Speaker 2: no doubt, but that should take years of work to
Speaker 2: combat that.
Speaker 7: I mean, I'm at nine years of therapy with it
Speaker 7: and working every day at it, and I will say
Speaker 7: that there are some days where like I can't even
Speaker 7: breathe real shit, and but I just I've determined personally
Speaker 7: for myself and this is not for anybody else from
Speaker 7: this is I know so many people and all my friends,
Speaker 7: A lot of my friends have done different things to
Speaker 7: help their mental health personally, I feel like the brain
Speaker 7: gut health connection is the one thing that no one
Speaker 7: talks about and the one thing that I'm struggling to
Speaker 7: try to figure out how to heal within myself, because
Speaker 7: I truly believe that my anxiety does come from trauma,
Speaker 7: but also comes from an imbalance in my brain gut health,
Speaker 7: and that my gut is causing a lot of my
Speaker 7: anxiety to flare. And because if you look into that,
Speaker 7: you'll see how the vegas vegas nerve is attached to
Speaker 7: all of this, and nobody really talks about how we
Speaker 7: can heal that connection and how to reset it. Because
Speaker 7: even when you have heart palpitations for examples, you take
Speaker 7: the beta blockers, right, you could do a six weeks
Speaker 7: to three month trial to help reset your actual connection
Speaker 7: in your brain between your heart and your brain, and
Speaker 7: that actually helps reset your gut health, which all interconnects
Speaker 7: to each other, which all ties into our mental health.
Speaker 2: So there was a lot you need some vampire blood.
Speaker 2: I bet that would cure it all instantly.
Speaker 6: Yo, don't timp me to become a vampire. Do not
Speaker 6: tip me.
Speaker 7: Okay, it takes away anxiety, and like I live forever
Speaker 7: an look if I if I don't turn into an
Speaker 7: ugly ass bitch.
Speaker 5: No, no, I don't know about that unless you keep drinking.
Speaker 5: You know, the less you drink, the uglier you get.
Speaker 4: After you've been like, got to wean yourself off of it,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 6: I have a really strong constitute, so like, I feel
Speaker 6: like I could do it.
Speaker 3: What was gonna say was, so you're talking about heart palpitations.
Speaker 3: I've been having some of that. And one thing I
Speaker 3: actually do. I'm also a bee keeper, so.
Speaker 5: I keep bees.
Speaker 3: And I got stung by a bee. Instantly my heart
Speaker 3: palpitations went away.
Speaker 6: That's interesting. I've heard about this before, but.
Speaker 5: It wasn't but it didn't stay for a long time.
Speaker 3: Like it was maybe for like a day and a half,
Speaker 3: two days, and then then they started to come back.
Speaker 5: And I was talking with Oh, my gosh, what's his name?
Speaker 3: Barked He he did the movie A funny thing happened
Speaker 3: on the Way to the Moon about the fake moon landing,
Speaker 3: and he was talking about he is having heart palpitations
Speaker 3: and I literally got stung a couple of days after
Speaker 3: the interview, and so I told him about that.
Speaker 5: So he went and found b venom venom pills.
Speaker 6: Yes, I've heard about the b VE and M helping.
Speaker 7: Also, dehydration is like one of the leading causes of
Speaker 7: heart palpitations, no joke. So when you're super dehydrated, it
Speaker 7: actually it actually causes your heart to have to work more,
Speaker 7: and so it causes heart palpitations. But the so I
Speaker 7: went and saw a doctor and talked all about this
Speaker 7: to this person, and he was telling me about how
Speaker 7: the brain the gut brain connection impacts your heart a
Speaker 7: lot too, and kind of just was like, look, if
Speaker 7: you really can't get your palpitations under control, everyone has them,
Speaker 7: and you just learn as you get older, you become
Speaker 7: more cognitively aware of them. Plus, if you have anxiety,
Speaker 7: it makes it a thousand times worse because you recognize
Speaker 7: your heart's beating and you're like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 7: you know, I'm going to have a heart attack. Now
Speaker 7: I'm stressed out. So now my anxiety's flaring, my flatrifight's
Speaker 7: kicking in. Now I'm freaking out even more, which causing
Speaker 7: my heart to even do this anymore.
Speaker 6: And it just is a cast gave events.
Speaker 7: It escalates super high, and then while you're hyperventilating, you're
Speaker 7: causing your you're causing all of this your system malfunction
Speaker 7: pretty much, And so it's a whole thing that happens.
Speaker 7: But he was saying that a lot of times it's
Speaker 7: normal for all of us to have them. You just
Speaker 7: start to become more aware of them. But if it
Speaker 7: becomes to a point where you need something to help reset,
Speaker 7: like he offered like six weeks to three months to
Speaker 7: do beta blockers, and pretty much it resets your flight
Speaker 7: or flight mode, and it helps re establish your connection
Speaker 7: your brain connection with your heart, and it tells a
Speaker 7: little synapsist that are in your heart that are deciding.
Speaker 6: Like today, I'm just gonna fire off for no fucking reason.
Speaker 7: That's what's really happening, because they're not supposed to fire off,
Speaker 7: but they just decide all of a sudden randomly like
Speaker 7: I want to do it.
Speaker 2: So wait, does the beasting act as like your body
Speaker 2: is producing its own beta blockers to like combat the venom.
Speaker 7: So it's like a fireflight mode. And I've actually heard
Speaker 7: about different types of venom being used, but specifically b
Speaker 7: venom wow to help. Now, obviously you can't be allergic
Speaker 7: to bees and take it and stuff like that, and
Speaker 7: that's a really tricky part because a lot of people
Speaker 7: don't know if they're allergic or not, and so you
Speaker 7: run the risk of having like.
Speaker 6: In a black shock happened.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, so my mom actually went sixty years of
Speaker 7: her life not knowing that she is deathly When I
Speaker 7: say deathly allergic, Like when they went to put just
Speaker 7: to try a honeybee because she was being tested for stuff,
Speaker 7: it got so severe so fast they had to inject
Speaker 7: her with two EpiPens right away.
Speaker 6: Like it was they touched her skin. They didn't even
Speaker 6: inject her skin.
Speaker 7: They touched her skin and it went, it flared and
Speaker 7: just went all at once, and like her heart went
Speaker 7: off the Richter stale and they were like, so you're
Speaker 7: deathly allergic, and she's like, I've literally gone my entire
Speaker 7: life with never being stung, and I had no idea.
Speaker 7: So it's one of those things that you have to
Speaker 7: definitely be careful about. But there's a lot of interesting
Speaker 7: information in the realm of alternative science and medication to
Speaker 7: try and combat a lot of the stuff that people
Speaker 7: are dealing with now than ever before.
Speaker 4: Tell them about this.
Speaker 2: Anybody out there who's caring EpiPens for your own health
Speaker 2: and well being, make sure them bitches are in date
Speaker 2: because on the warning label it says as soon as
Speaker 2: this is expired, it becomes adrenochrome.
Speaker 4: And that's on the labels of all EpiPens.
Speaker 2: So for anybody out there that thinks that adrenochrome is
Speaker 2: not real, look at the warning label on your EpiPen.
Speaker 4: It's absolutely a real thing.
Speaker 6: So let's they change them and now you're gonna look
Speaker 6: quick that you're lying.
Speaker 4: No, we put it up on the show before. That's
Speaker 4: that's a thing still to this day.
Speaker 2: Although it's not the same kind of frazzle drip because
Speaker 2: I mean, okay again, not to just take a whole
Speaker 2: tight side tangent to that, but we were talking about
Speaker 2: EpiPens and being allurged to be so like it's kind
Speaker 2: of in the same spirit here. When you're talking about
Speaker 2: frazzle drip that is cooked down adrenaline from human blood,
Speaker 2: this is synthetic adrenaline that has crystallized because it has
Speaker 2: expired and it's like gone bad. So it's still technically adrenochrome,
Speaker 2: but it is not the same h frazzle drip hit
Speaker 2: that like Hillary Clinton and all these focks are getting
Speaker 2: when they go to the islands into these places. But
Speaker 2: you can and get some sort of an effect off
Speaker 2: of it. From what I've been told, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've never dabbled with adrena chrome because I have a soul. Still,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's a thing. It's a thing, definitely. Anyway,
Speaker 2: So wait, how long you been keeping bees?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 5: Now, it's been for just over a year. Let me
Speaker 5: see here. So I got them in October, over one year.
Speaker 5: It's a little over a year now.
Speaker 2: So we just did an episode on bees a couple
Speaker 2: months ago. And depending on what literature you look into,
Speaker 2: some are saying the bees are dying at record rates
Speaker 2: and we don't know why. And then the other literature
Speaker 2: happening at the same time will say bee populations are
Speaker 2: on the rise worldwide and it's all this from the
Speaker 2: year that you've been at it. Have you seen random
Speaker 2: reasons why these hives keep dying or is your population
Speaker 2: doing well well?
Speaker 5: I had I had two hives, okay, so two colonies.
Speaker 6: Also, what type of bees though, oh, good question.
Speaker 5: Just regular honeybees there, local honeybees. Nothing.
Speaker 6: Do you think that, Well, they should be mixed.
Speaker 7: Then there should be hybrid African bee mixed because it
Speaker 7: came from lower below you and then spread all the
Speaker 7: way up to America.
Speaker 5: I don't like these look like the bees that I
Speaker 5: saw back in Canada. Okay, so I didn't say they
Speaker 5: don't look like a hybrid eye. They don't look like anything. Crazy.
Speaker 5: So I had two colonies.
Speaker 3: One colony was always not doing well, and so what
Speaker 3: I would do is you would take the eggs from
Speaker 3: one and put them over and the other to try
Speaker 3: to increase that colony. But I didn't check them for
Speaker 3: about two and a half weeks and I went back
Speaker 3: and the one colony had left.
Speaker 5: They they had hit hit, they had hit.
Speaker 3: A point where it's just like we can't sustain this anymore,
Speaker 3: and they will leave. It's not like they died, they
Speaker 3: just left.
Speaker 4: Alien.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a theory that actually aliens are taking bees.
Speaker 6: I'm not even joking that was a joke.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, it's a real theory that aliens are
Speaker 7: being Aliens are taking the bees, and that's where a
Speaker 7: lot of them are going I'm saying and that that
Speaker 7: or and or the aliens are using bees to spy
Speaker 7: on this i e. Communicate with them about what's happening
Speaker 7: around the world. There's there's a lot of interesting lure,
Speaker 7: I will say. So.
Speaker 3: And then my my second colony completely opposite, like thriving
Speaker 3: so much so that I actually put one of the
Speaker 3: because I had I have two boxes, like to uh,
Speaker 3: two boxes per colony, so I actually took one of
Speaker 3: the boxes and put it on the top, so now
Speaker 3: I have three on the one because it's just it's
Speaker 3: just going crazy.
Speaker 5: But with the bees, though, you start to get accustomed.
Speaker 3: To the vibrations and the buzzing that they make, and
Speaker 3: you can tell when it's it's time to leave or
Speaker 3: when they're kind of like they'll hit a a sound
Speaker 3: frequency where it's just it's kind of like this calming
Speaker 3: frequency and and everything is good, but there'll be a
Speaker 3: time where they're like, get the hell out of here.
Speaker 3: We're not happy and and it's time to go. But
Speaker 3: it it's really cool, actually, it's very very interesting. And
Speaker 3: then and then harvesting the honey.
Speaker 7: As well is speaking of frequencies. Have you seen the
Speaker 7: fung guy that is creating music. Yeah, so they just
Speaker 7: released this, so I was watching all about it. So
Speaker 7: they release these interesting science experiments where they hooked up
Speaker 7: actual probes inside of fungi in forests and they put
Speaker 7: the they're like little drum like drumsticks pretty much, and
Speaker 7: they put like a piano in front of them, and
Speaker 7: they are creating music, and they're doing certain sounds on repetition,
Speaker 7: and they're creating frequency rate waves, and they're speaking to
Speaker 7: each other at all different points throughout the forest. But
Speaker 7: they're creating actual sound with it and making music with it.
Speaker 7: And there was a whole thing that they were talking.
Speaker 7: Look at the thumb up.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a whole thing. Uh.
Speaker 4: There.
Speaker 7: They were talking about how the forest in and of itself,
Speaker 7: we already know talks to each other. We already know
Speaker 7: like it does a lot of things like that, but
Speaker 7: this was a way they were talking to the fun guy,
Speaker 7: and the fun guy was responding in kind with certain
Speaker 7: notes that it was purposely hitting over and over again.
Speaker 7: So when they were talking to it, it would start
Speaker 7: to talk back. We'll talk back in a way that
Speaker 7: maybe potentially we as humans could kind of understand.
Speaker 6: And it was crazy. I was just watching this like
Speaker 6: two days ago.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I just saw this thing. This dude
Speaker 2: hooked up a music box to a venus fly trap. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I had, I had my music.
Speaker 6: It's really cool.
Speaker 4: This thing.
Speaker 2: You hook it up to two leaves or like to
Speaker 2: the stem and to the pedal of whatever the plant is,
Speaker 2: and it will give its own resonance frequency and it's
Speaker 2: it's music, but it's more of like it's only a
Speaker 2: few notes and it's not like it's like it flows
Speaker 2: almost it's like a harmony.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, remind me of whale songs.
Speaker 2: Then he put his finger inside of one of the
Speaker 2: venus fly traps and you heard m and it like
Speaker 2: changed tones as it was like biting down on his finger.
Speaker 4: It was fucking wild.
Speaker 7: But I mean, but to say that, we I don't
Speaker 7: know why people constantly talk about like that they aren't
Speaker 7: feeling or the earth isn't understanding at least what we're doing.
Speaker 6: They're communicating with or without us. We're just not able
Speaker 6: to hear what they're talking about.
Speaker 5: And I think it's that goes with everything.
Speaker 3: It's kind of yeah, it's everything, well, communication or everything.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter if you believe it, if it's happening
Speaker 3: or not, it's happening. It does like the world still,
Speaker 3: these things still happen, no matter if you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't think plants communicate.
Speaker 5: Doesn't matter what you believe, that shit is still happening.
Speaker 7: For water, water communicates absolutely. The water communicates too, which
Speaker 7: is even more crazy to think about.
Speaker 4: Which I've heard the theory that that's where deja vous
Speaker 4: comes from.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so, because we're all drinking it over and over again,
Speaker 7: we're drinking the memories and lots of other people.
Speaker 2: There's only there's only so much water on earth, whether
Speaker 2: that's in your blood, in the sky, in the ocean, whatever.
Speaker 2: There's only so many h two molecules that have been
Speaker 2: here on cycle since the beginning of time. Allegedly there's
Speaker 2: all in the realm of theory here. So there's a
Speaker 2: theory that when somebody experiences real deja vu, it's because
Speaker 2: there is enough water molecules within your body that at
Speaker 2: one point in time, we're all inside of someone else's
Speaker 2: body and they all recognize each other and gave a
Speaker 2: snapshot of the last time they were all inside of another.
Speaker 4: Body like that.
Speaker 7: That's weird because these are you when I have it,
Speaker 7: I've already I've already lived what I'm looking at, so
Speaker 7: I've already.
Speaker 4: Made you think your water molecules.
Speaker 7: I've already made the decisions. I've walked both paths of
Speaker 7: what I'm going to do. So if I take the
Speaker 7: right path, this is what happens to me. If I
Speaker 7: take the left path, this is what happens to me,
Speaker 7: And I'll get the dja vu feeling that I'm I'm
Speaker 7: standing on like a precipice, and I'm like, I have
Speaker 7: been here before.
Speaker 6: I know that I have I know that I've walked
Speaker 6: in this dream.
Speaker 4: I know you have really vivid dreams too.
Speaker 6: Very intense, and I've dja v is very strong for me.
Speaker 5: And there's dajav reve as well.
Speaker 3: Djah reve is when you've experienced something in a dream
Speaker 3: and now you're experiencing in real life.
Speaker 6: Is that what that's called? Okay?
Speaker 7: Because that's I have it so wrong that it makes
Speaker 7: the hair will raise my arms because I know exactly
Speaker 7: I've been here and I've done this, and it's like
Speaker 7: you know, or I'll end up stopping myself and being
Speaker 7: I'll forget something or I forgot something that's going to
Speaker 7: affect me later on that day, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 7: I'll just kind of stop what I'm doing and I'll remember, Okay,
Speaker 7: I've been here, I've done this, I know what's gonna happen. Backtrack,
Speaker 7: calm down for a second. What is it that I
Speaker 7: was supposed to remember from my dreams that I need
Speaker 7: to remember now to be able to not have this happen?
Speaker 7: And I mean, you've been with me when I've said
Speaker 7: I'm having really bad day.
Speaker 6: J'avou right here.
Speaker 4: I'm so jealous of you for being able to dream.
Speaker 4: That must be nice.
Speaker 6: Not all dreams are pleasant.
Speaker 7: I will I will say that I've been having a
Speaker 7: lot of nightmares lately, so I will.
Speaker 5: Say this with you too, Like I have, my dreams
Speaker 5: are super intense.
Speaker 3: I've been writing documenting my dreams down since around twenty eleven.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, so I got like a binder full
Speaker 3: of dreams and just keep writing them down and then
Speaker 3: I put them in And yeah.
Speaker 4: I'm jealous.
Speaker 7: Do you have Do you have reoccurring dreams that change
Speaker 7: small minute things but you notice them inside your dream?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 7: I have.
Speaker 3: I have dreams where I in the dream I know
Speaker 3: I've done something and then I'm able to rewind, do
Speaker 3: it again, rewind, do it again.
Speaker 5: I've done that, do it again.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's kind of like all that didn't work, Okay,
Speaker 3: so let's try it this way. It didn't work, Let's
Speaker 3: do it this way.
Speaker 7: So I've done that too. Do you know within do
Speaker 7: you know in your dreams that you're dreaming? Have you
Speaker 7: already done the whole inception situation? Yeah, and then I've
Speaker 7: been in I've had I've had the multi tier dreams.
Speaker 7: Those are scary ship sometimes because you know you're in
Speaker 7: a dream within a dream within another dream, and you
Speaker 7: have to kind of try to get out of the
Speaker 7: dream streets.
Speaker 4: I think crazy and then not know it's it's freaky.
Speaker 7: Though, because you know that you're gonna get stuck in
Speaker 7: this dream, like you feel like you're gonna end up
Speaker 7: in a coma and you can't come out of it
Speaker 7: if you can't get out.
Speaker 3: I won't say I'm like that, but I will say
Speaker 3: that I'll be in a dream that I'll wake up
Speaker 3: and then I'll be talking to someone who I saw
Speaker 3: in my dream, telling them, hey, I saw you in
Speaker 3: my dream, and this is what we did in my dream,
Speaker 3: the dream in another dream I've only had.
Speaker 7: I've only had like three times that I can think
Speaker 7: of vividly that I've been the dream within the dream,
Speaker 7: within the dream situation, and they were so intense. For
Speaker 7: days afterwards, it just stuck with me that I did
Speaker 7: so much, so like inside these dreams. At one point
Speaker 7: I lived an entire life in the dream, an entire
Speaker 7: whole other life from start to finish. And then while
Speaker 7: I was getting older, I recognized that this was a
Speaker 7: dream and I said, okay, I need to wake up now.
Speaker 7: There's something's wrong. And I was looking at it. I
Speaker 7: was looking at a puddle and the sky above me.
Speaker 7: I could see in the puddle, and I was like,
Speaker 7: there's something not right. I'm in a dream. And all
Speaker 7: of a sudden, I kind of did the flip into
Speaker 7: the water situation and I popped up into another dream.
Speaker 7: But I didn't realize I was in that dream still,
Speaker 7: and it took me a bit to figure it out.
Speaker 7: And then by the third time, I'm like, I'm stuck
Speaker 7: in this dream state. I have to get out, like
Speaker 7: I must get out of the dream state.
Speaker 6: And I woke up.
Speaker 7: So I was pouring sweat I'm not joking. I was
Speaker 7: pouring sweat, I was hyperventilating. I damn near jumped out
Speaker 7: of my skin. I felt like I jumped out of
Speaker 7: the bed. And when I woke up, and I'm like,
Speaker 7: oh my god, I'm so glad I'm here now. I've
Speaker 7: only really truly had three of those that I can
Speaker 7: think of throughout my entire life. But dreaming and knowing
Speaker 7: I'm in a dream happens quite often to me, but
Speaker 7: very intense streams nightmares.
Speaker 6: I've walked into.
Speaker 7: Horror houses, like not horror like horroror like, but I've
Speaker 7: walked into the like houses like I've been in states
Speaker 7: like a plane field pretty much where I can see
Speaker 7: things that like, I don't want to be here, I
Speaker 7: don't want to go into these places, but I have
Speaker 7: to try to find my way out of wherever I'm at,
Speaker 7: and it is scarier than shit like scar Care.
Speaker 4: I'm glad I can't. I dream.
Speaker 7: Sometimes I have really amazing dreams that are so super
Speaker 7: awesome and light and fun, and you know, I do
Speaker 7: really cool stuff. But there's a lot of dreams where
Speaker 7: I've and like I've said before on the show, I've
Speaker 7: been killed so many times in my dreams, but so
Speaker 7: many different ways.
Speaker 6: It's just so weird.
Speaker 7: I don't know dreaming to me, but I've never wrote
Speaker 7: down my dreams. I've had a lot of people tell
Speaker 7: me to write down my dreams, and I don't know
Speaker 7: if I really want to because I have the same
Speaker 7: reoccurring dreams.
Speaker 6: There's certain people in my dreams.
Speaker 7: That and he knows, I've met these people and I've
Speaker 7: had full lives with these people over like decades of dreams.
Speaker 6: Like it's not just one time.
Speaker 7: I've dreamed of these people, and they certain like certain
Speaker 7: things stick out, like one person has like vivid green eyes,
Speaker 7: and I see that person over and over again.
Speaker 6: I haven't in a long time.
Speaker 7: It's been a couple of years now, but normally it's
Speaker 7: been I would vividly dream them over and over again.
Speaker 6: For years and years. So it's it's weird.
Speaker 7: I believe that I've actually lived past lives, but I've
Speaker 7: been dreaming about those past lives since I was a child,
Speaker 7: the same things on repeat, Like I've lived these and
Speaker 7: I could tell you the smells, the texture, the taste.
Speaker 7: I can tell you the tastes in the air. I
Speaker 7: can tell you what the ground felt like it was
Speaker 7: so intense, But that's I believe that we're just dreaming.
Speaker 5: Cart question, so do you believe that they?
Speaker 3: Have you ever done any Have you seen the TV
Speaker 3: show Quantum Jump or Quantum Leap?
Speaker 5: Yes, the old school that you do you feel that
Speaker 5: you quantum leap into other people in.
Speaker 7: Your dream I've always wondered if it's a past life
Speaker 7: or I'm like going into other people's lives. A lot
Speaker 7: of time it's I'm myself though, just in different areas.
Speaker 7: Like I mean, I'm in different worlds that I shouldn't
Speaker 7: be able to be into, but here I am into
Speaker 7: these worlds and I'm exploring them and I've I've made
Speaker 7: connections or they're really fucking scary places that you don't
Speaker 7: want to go to, and it's like you know that
Speaker 7: there's something around the corner, but like you have no
Speaker 7: choice but to go forward, and it's like, man, I.
Speaker 6: Really don't want to be here, Like I really don't
Speaker 6: want to be here.
Speaker 3: Reason the reason I ask is because like when I
Speaker 3: have had these quantumly jumps, I know who I am, Like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm this forty year old guy, and but I'm in
Speaker 3: a different person's body and was like like one occasion,
Speaker 3: I was in an eleven an eleven year old black
Speaker 3: little boy's body and I had to stop my sister
Speaker 3: from getting killed in this and this armed robbery. Like
Speaker 3: I knew my mission what I had to do, and
Speaker 3: I did this and and then there, and I was
Speaker 3: telling them though, actually, you know, I'm not little Joey
Speaker 3: or something like that. I'm I'm I'm this person. I'm
Speaker 3: just taking over his body to stop this event from happening. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I've had I've had a bunch of those dreams where
Speaker 3: I have to live their life, go through these processes
Speaker 3: and then try and also then I know I need
Speaker 3: to try to get back as well.
Speaker 7: It's like, okay, there's like a teather that you can
Speaker 7: feel like that you need to you got to come back.
Speaker 7: I don't know how to explain it, like you know
Speaker 7: that you need to come back because whatever is happening,
Speaker 7: you're gonna get stuck there if you don't try to
Speaker 7: find your way home. And that might be jumping off
Speaker 7: of a building, which I have done in my dreams
Speaker 7: where like I couldn't get out of the dream.
Speaker 6: And I was like, you know what Comic cop style like,
Speaker 6: But the one I have the most of of that
Speaker 6: I believe that I've relived over and over again, is
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 7: And this sounds so dumb, I can't believe I want
Speaker 7: to say it, But since I was a kid, I
Speaker 7: dreamed that I was a thirty nine year old guy
Speaker 7: that was actually from a lived in ancient Japan pretty much,
Speaker 7: and I was like a samurai dude.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but like I had a wife, I had a son.
Speaker 7: I lived in this gorgeous village out in the middle
Speaker 7: between these two mountains. We had a whole farm, like
Speaker 7: I was, but I knew that I had swords on
Speaker 7: my back. I ended up dying actually in battle. I
Speaker 7: got stabbed through the stomach and like cut pretty much
Speaker 7: almost in half. And I've had that dream though, since
Speaker 7: I was about four or five years old. Five years old,
Speaker 7: I believe, is when the first time I dreamed. But
Speaker 7: when I first started dreaming, I dreamed of like the
Speaker 7: soil and my hands digging the soil, hearing my wife
Speaker 7: laugh behind me, hearing a child play in the distance.
Speaker 7: Then as I got older, I like more and more
Speaker 7: pieces of the storyline, I guess, or this life that
Speaker 7: you know, I don't know if I'm seeing somebody else's
Speaker 7: life at one point or whatever just started to unfold.
Speaker 7: So it makes me sound like a crazy person, it
Speaker 7: really does. But it's one of those things that I
Speaker 7: can't explain why I have that kind of thought.
Speaker 2: But I mean it's also the dream state, right, So
Speaker 2: I mean it is what it is, and again I
Speaker 2: wish I could dream. Yeah, y'all sound like y'll have
Speaker 2: such good times and bad times whenever you're sleeping. I
Speaker 2: just man, I'm I just I like my little comas
Speaker 2: that I take, my microdosing of death that happens every night.
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