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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to give the substance best picture. Please.

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This is That's Not Metal, your weekly rock and heavy

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metal and everything associated podcast who comes at you every

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single Friday, or I guess this time it might be

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a Saturday, but we usually here at the weekends to

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let you know everything that has been going on in

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rock and heavy metal over the past seven days, and

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this particular time we are also here with our first

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reviews bag of twenty twenty five, the January twenty ti

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twenty five reviews Bag. And so even though it has

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been as I've alluded to a couple of times, I

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think a drier than usual January has been somewhat slim pickings,

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we have picked out six this time of at the

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very least the most noteworthy, interesting conversation records to dissect,

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and so that is what we are going to do.

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We also have a pretty juicy and sizeable news bag

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as well to get into. So firstly, we are going

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to be reviewing later on in the show the new

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albums from The Night Flight Orchestra, Ward Rona, The Halo Effect,

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The Great Old Ones, Trauma, Bond, and Grief Ritual. But

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we have that news to clear before We then get

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into that a little while into the show. So let's

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get underway. My name is Parenhirsh with me, Sam Dignon

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and Elliott Paisley are both here. Are we ready for?

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I guess you know this always feels like the year

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truly beginning when we have our first album to really

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actually talk about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, this has been not my sort of

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usual sex of album bags review, but like it, there's

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there's gonna be interesting discussions. I'm excited to talk about

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these albums either way. I think it's we're gonna hit

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the ground and it's gonna be a fun one.

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Speaker 3: I mean, last January was Green Day, Saxon and All

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of the Lost, so it's at least sensible this time.

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Speaker 2: True, Oh my god, that was that was because that's

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a year ago now, crazy and I discovered Saxon's one

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good song.

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Speaker 1: I wonder we will have some kind of repeat occurrence

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of similar type bands later on. Anyway, as said, we've

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got some news to clear. Some of it is going

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to follow up the small little news episode that I

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just myself put out last week, So off the Dome

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their very first thing is last week when I did that.

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There are a lot of rumors flying around about a

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leaked and postponed nine Inch Nailed World Tour announcement. As expected,

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they've come through and done that, and so the nine

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Inch Nail twenty twenty five World Tour is going to

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be kicking off all throughout the summer. There are three

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UK and Ireland dates which are in fact the very

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first dates of the whole thing. So if you are,

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you know, in our more local vicinity, and you are

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in Dublin, Manchester or London, then you could have the

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opportunity to go and see nine Inch Nails, which is very,

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very exciting. We have our whole load of album announcements

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and new singles and stuff at one of those like

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slightly stressful lights start, there's too many right now. I'm

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already I'm getting to that stage where I look at

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certain dates in March and April and I think, with

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our review heads on, and I go through my little crisis.

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I go through every single year of what we're going

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to do. So rattling through the latest additions to those

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Scowl who released their first bits of new music at

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the end of last year, didn't they But we have

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the news that their album is going to be called

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Are We All Angels and that is out on April fourth.

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We also have the new Cradler filth album is going

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to be called The Screening of the Valkyrie and that

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is out March the twenty first. Something which has some

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music that we are really going to go into here

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in terms of at least a lead single is We

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have the news of Employer to Serve's new album, which

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is called Fallen Star, that is gonna be on April

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the twenty fifth. They've announced a UK headline tour that's

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going to be happening through April. Not coming near me

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sadly this time, but if you are in the vicinity

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of you know, any of the cities where they are

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headed in the UK, then you can get your Employee.

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Speaker 3: To Serve fixed.

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Speaker 1: But on the Fallen Star front, I feel like Employee

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they have got a new album in the can for

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a little while now, so we've been expecting this. The

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first single from it is called Atonement and it features

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none other than Will Ramos from Lorna Shaw on guest vocals,

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which immediately feels like I like when because obviously Employer

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to serve for us are very local. They are very

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like kind of you know, they're one of our home bands. Yeah,

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and to a degree that has also turned into like

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slightly lamenting that. You know, there are lots of metical

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bands who are bad, who are internationally successful, and employed

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to serve for a little while felt like our little

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you know, our kind of home school champions. So I

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like when employe to serve get some like Biggins too involve.

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the record, there are like others as well that fall

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under that. But even just like you know, looking on

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the video for this employe to Serve song, all the

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comments on it right now are like, oh I came

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here for Will, but like this band is great, this

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is really cool, and that's you know, mission accomplished. They

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love to see that. Now you have a you know,

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a decade long back catalog of you know, one of

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the best metallic hardcore metal core adjacent bands, like of

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that whole period to dive into. But from our perspective,

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longtime employed to serve fans, new song Atonement it does

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you know, it's it's familiar to at least the last

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couple Employeerve Records, but there are also some new elements

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around it that are a little bit kind of like, hmmm,

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where's that kind of going? So what do you make

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of a tonement?

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Speaker 2: The chorus took me by surprise, and yeah, and the

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way it sounds because obviously they've had the clean vocals

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on choruses before that.

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Speaker 4: You know, there was a fair few of them on.

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Speaker 2: Conquerence for that, but this is the first one where

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it sounded like and again I slagger the sort of

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sound off on them, So I was a bit like

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when I heard the Employee stuff doing it. It is

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the most radio metalcore chorus they've done. I think like

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it is leaning on that a little bit. It's better

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than a lot of those bands because they're not all

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just trying to sound like Chester Bennington or.

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Speaker 4: Anything like that.

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Speaker 2: But it is the sound of it does feel a

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bit more in line with that strand of metalcore, which

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almost sinks up with them getting Will Ramers in. This

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feels like them kind of going Okay, let's shoot for

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the big leagues a bit on this one and go

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bigger with our sound, go a bit more accessible, while

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still not abandoning what makes employed to so fucking great,

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and I still really like the song. It just that

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chorus was the thing that Meally starts with is like,

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that's a different take on what you've done on this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, because you know the idea, if you

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raise the idea of I Employed Server are going to

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have some clean vocals on this album, that wouldn't really

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turn my head very much because it has been a

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factor for a while. Even go back to you know,

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you think of the last album. There's like that kind

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of swaggery crowbarry thing on Mark of the Grave, but

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slightly mormlodic vocal and the full, you know, throatshread in

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thing that Justine is doing. So just the prospect of

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like more clean vocals on Employed Serve record that doesn't

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like shock me. It was the as you said, the

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kind of tonality of it where I went, oh, okay,

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and it is like I am in theory, I'm all

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for Employees. I've including more melody, particularly because I'm thinking

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of the you know, the warmth of a Dying Sun

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era kind of your warmth of the kind of expansives,

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and they had a lot of guitar melodies and stuff

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like around that time. That is the thing that I

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would always love for them to kind of reintegrate, I

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suppose heavily in the fear is any band going for

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that kind of soccer in chorus octane radio thing. And

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again on paper, this is employed Serve the doing their

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closest version of that. But I don't think it's bad,

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you know, I think it's it throws me on the

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very first chorus, but you catch up, You kind of

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catch onto the melody of it pretty quick. And there

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is some of that, particularly around the kind of the

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solo section, which is a great fucking solo, but there

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is some of that like familiar warmth of the kind

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of core progression under there. That is that kind of

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thing I'm thinking of. So it is a I don't know,

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almost like in the middle kind of shift where it's

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like you're moving into something that maybe is less kind

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of what we would traditionally kind of appreciate, but it

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hasn't gone full hog into like, ah, I can't go

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with this anymore, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, Well, I feel like the same thing happens with

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me with the last the same thing that to me

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I'm not sure about it, and then a year or

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two later it really clicks with me. Like I wasn't

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like keen on a ton a forward motion when it

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came out, same We're conquering, and then, like I say,

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a year times eighteen months later, it sort of slots in.

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Speaker 1: My is that's a bit harsh but sure, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What I even means an insult, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't mean harsh of the word actually more sort

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of far, I guess.

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mind for me. But funnily enough, even though I'm not

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sure exactly how much I think it works this time,

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I kind of feel confident that I'll like it in

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eighteen months. So in a way, even though it's a

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single that I'm not sure about, I'm no less optimistic.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then Will comes in and the kind of

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what has grabbed the headlines is that you know, we

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saw again the teasers I employed server Will Ramas. You're

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expecting some full fucking rolling around in the slot, disgusting stuff,

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and you know, he screams a little bit, but he

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primarily actually picks up singing some of the chorus on it.

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ra Mos, who obviously has this amazing, you know, growled,

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guttural voice. But if he was to start singing because

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his band does, and then it leaned towards the clean

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sonically and everything, that it would just be some fucking

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like design the skyline situation and he'd come in with

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a kind of like kind of horrible clean tone, which

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Speaker 4: I think it was. It was it was very unexpected

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use of him.

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like stereotypical again like whiny us metalcore clean vocal. It's

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you know, and that's what mid range where it's a

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bit more palatable and it sits nicely in the kind

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of slightly gruffer train employed to serve can exist in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the riff, the main riff is just

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one of their sort of like thuggier, chuggy, beat down

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hardcore kind of things. Yeah, I think I'm I'm along

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the same kind of lines as E. Elliott where I

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threw me, but I over the course of it sort

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the previous lead singles, whether it was you know, Exist

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can see myself, you know, doing that, So yeah, we'll

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see kind of how more of that develops. We also

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a long awaited album announcement. We have a new piss

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called Malignant Worthlessness. The song that they have released from

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it is called Inhertic Blood christened This is the first

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piss Grave album in six years. It was sort of

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that time six years past, podcast lineups change or whatever.

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I know that, Elliot, you in particular kind of you

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have a similar view and like relationship with piss Grave

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that I do, which is not only is it just like, yeah,

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what a stinky, horrible death metal band? Great, I like that,

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but they represent a certain kind of like pinnacle of something,

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and they represent a like pisk Grave or pisk Grave,

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and no one else doing the stinky death metal thing

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is gonna hit what pisk Grave are able to hit.

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And having six years without that again, you know, when

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Tim did the guest vocal on the speptru of Voice

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album last year, that was kind of like, oh my god,

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the first time I'd heard that voice in like five years.

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Following that up with this press player on the single,

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it immediately made me recoil. And if you know, if

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it was the fact that, like, you know, like last

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year I would say was the best year for death

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metal since twenty nineteen, basically when Pisgrave and Blooding Cantation

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at All were all releasing their last records, I would

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say that this has the best death metal riffs that

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I've heard in a long time. For pure this is

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what I've been craving, This is what I need in

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my death metal.

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Speaker 3: I am so fucking happy they're back. Like I feel

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like I've had ten years to get familiar with their sound,

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and even still I'm not quite used to it, because,

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like you said, that first ten seconds comes in and

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it's like, yeah, oh I feel sick. I feel like

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I get you're you're embracing for it, and it still

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manages to bowl me over it. Maybe that's why they

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go away for so long, like they want you to

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forget just how disgusting it is. But you know, the

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recipe for stinky death metal, it tops out on everything.

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Like the title is horrible, the cover is disgusting, those

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vocals are It's two mics they use, isn't it where

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one's very Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think there's certainly some kind of strange overlapping and

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you know, yeah, frequency is fucking with each other kind of.

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Speaker 3: Approach, that snare tone needs to be hung in the loop.

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It's just it's perfect. And even you know that was

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the album cover, Like it's probably the least outright disgusting

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of their album covers to date. But personally speaking, I

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have a bit of a thing about maggots and I

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don't think anyone likes them, but they really make me

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feel quite physically sick. Maggots, yeah, just like and piss

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Grave kind of sound like a swarm of carnivorous flies anyway,

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So it's yeah, it captures it perfectly. This is just

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this is this is the best news.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean obviously, you know, I like a lot

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more definitely than they did when the last Piscrave album

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came out. This still was just like, I'm quite glad

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it kind of it settles down a touch once you

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get past that opening blast, but opening blast is like

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Jesus fuck what like the like Honestly, that first ten

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to fifteen seconds, I was like, if it's more this,

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then I can't handle piss babe. And then you get

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some like you get you get some cool riffs and

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stuff in there, it's still way too extremely even.

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Speaker 4: For my taste. And I respect that about pisc Grave.

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Speaker 2: You know, they are they're the bands who want to

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like be the nastiest, most disgusting, Like everything about them

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is like offensive and gross out and again, like you know,

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I looked just like, what's the least initially shocking pis

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Grave album cover? Because I don't have a clue what

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I'm looking at this time. I kind of like, you know,

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the post musumiation one that you know exactly what the

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fuck that is when you see it, and then the

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first one is just like that first album Come it

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still makes me feel icky, like it's one of the

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most revolting kind of like images. And this one, I

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don't know if a cull what it is shows a

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magazine like, yeah, you know, pisk gave you still just

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want to like make people feel bad and gross and

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good on you for that.

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Speaker 3: I guess it's the titles like suicide, euphoria, posthumous humiliation,

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malignant worthlessness. It might be the best run of album

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titles in the history of.

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Speaker 1: Rock and roll as a trilogy of two word statements

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that there is a there's a syllogy throughout it that

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is just like hard as pissed ironically, Yeah, I mean

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the death metal versus in the riffs. As you say

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that it comes at you with just like but then

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when it settles into the rifts those other ones, I'm like, yes,

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like you are actually not just you know that they're

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great rift writers, you know, and that that serrated barbed

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aedge that they have is just so so great. I'm

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sure the record is going to have loads of that again,

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the the visuals, it's it's a strange cover because it

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looks to me it looks more like a joint of

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meat or something, think, yeah, than human. It looks like,

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you know, a hog roast that has been left out

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for too long or something like that. But I almost

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feel like it's the pisk Grave ethos is probably like,

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I don't know, the fact that it's pisk Grave makes

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me think it's probably human even though it doesn't look

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like it's human, And that kind of adds a strange

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other you know, so in a weird way, it's on

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brand for pis Grave, and it's totally again it's part

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of the through line of what they've done. But it

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may be like, well, I knew there was piss Grave coming,

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and I was preparing myself for a kind of a

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wave of like discourse basically of you know, them unveiling

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some album cover maybe in line with what the last

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couple was, and you know, every time they were around

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it caused up a discussion and again I was preparing

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myself for you know, last year we basically had a

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whole discussion about this kind of thing. I believe that

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was an episode that was just called something like is

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real death on album? Are okay? Or something along those lines.

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So if you want to hear our thoughts on that,

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then you know, you can go and find the episode.

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But in a weird way, it's like this is a

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very piss Grave album cover that doesn't quite result in

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like people getting upset to the degree that we have

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to open up that conversation again, which I guess to

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a degree is kind of you know, good for our sanity.

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But yeah, very excited for the third in the trilogy

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of pisth Grave albums, which is going to be on

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February the twenty first. Some tour dates we have again

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follow up on something that we were recently sort of

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alluding to, but now we have more on it. Comeback, Kid,

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They're Wake the Dead anniversary tour is going to be

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hitting Europe. They are doing I think it's totally about

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seven dates across Europe, which does mean they are only

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doing London in the UK. So Sam, you are the

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Laight ticket, You are the lucky one in this scenario.

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Who can go and do that if you find yourself

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interested in one of the album reviews that we are

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going to do later, there is news that Cult of

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Fire are going to be doing a European tour, bringing

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the Great Old Ones along with them on tour, and

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there is a London date of that whole European thing

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a venue I don't know two two nine in in London, seeing.

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Speaker 2: Creeper play there. Creeper played their comeback show there after

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they broke up for you.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, that that is on the thirty first

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of March. That looks like if you want to see

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again the Cult of Fire show that we were talking

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about with the Past Damnation and along with the Great

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Old Ones and so on, So that's going to be happening.

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We jump over to longingly look at a couple of

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tours that have been announced for our over the Atlantic brethren,

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because Obituary have announced they are doing a big old

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tour for the thirty fifth anniversary of their classic Cause

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of Death album. But it's the support bill with them

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that has really turned that into kind of a night

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to remember, because they are going to be bringing along

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with them Nails, Terror, Spirit World and Pest Control. Nice

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pet Control getting on a big like US tour like that,

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But that is one for like Obituary, one of the

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death metal bands who have like a pretty sizable hardcore following.

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It's quite funny that they've booked a tour seemingly solely

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for the hardcore kids in their fan base. Like, if

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you are a hardcore fan who likes Obituary, this is

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your tour.

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Speaker 2: How do you think I'm feeling right now seeing this

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pity tour with this fucking support lineup, I'm like, it's

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the perfect Obituary tour for me.

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Speaker 1: God damn it, it's pretty amazing. And Exodus, who you know,

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last week on the show, I was talking about the

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fact that they have gone through this quite interesting vocalist

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carousel where they've now got their former vocalist Rob Dukes

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back in the band. The first thing that they have announced,

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you know, post that, is they are going to be

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doing in California two shows to commemorate the fortieth anniversary

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of their classic, classic essential debut album Bonded by Blood

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in the California area on the weekend of April the

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twenty fifth, And so that is I guess the exciting

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stuff in this news round up, well, Unfortunately, there's quite

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a line here of negative things to also come out

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of this week, or at least things that deserve some

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you know, some some pondering and some morning to a degree.

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The first is that Orange Goblin have come out and

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said that twenty twenty five is likely to be their

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final year as a band, that they are looking with

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this being the thirtieth anniversary of their their debut record,

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with them having put out I believe their tenth record

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last year and it being really well received and everything

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that this is kind of their point where they want

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to hang it up, and so over the course of

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this year they're gonna be doing what are they're slated

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as their last shows that includes, for example, a Bloodstock show.

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But then they are going to be calling it quits.

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The wording of this did leave it.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: It's one of those ones where it's like yea, you know,

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they maybe they'll appear at some point, but certainly Orange

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Goblin the active Proposition, look to be making twenty twenty

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five their final year. And I love Orange Goblin a great,

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great deal. I think they are in terms of British

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rock and metal bands. I think they are one of

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our genuine sort of national treasures. I think in terms

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of like stoner rock metal bands, if that's what you

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want to call them, I think they're the case to

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be like top five of all time, Like the Highs

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are incredible, and I frankly don't think they had very

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many or very low lows about thirty years of just

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consistently really good fun material, A really brilliant, hard working

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live band who have, for my money, a handful of

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genuine classic albums, particularly obviously within the kind of British

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stoner rock and metal scenes. And Elliott, I'm wondering, I

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guess you know, whether those are feelings that you might

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share and kind of have you know, thoughts about Orange

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Goblin choosing to retire here.

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Speaker 3: It's one of those where those feelings for me have

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kind of come up in light of this announcement. Because

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I'm not gonna point fingers because I feel like I'm

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guilty of it too. But I think they're a band

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that we kind of took for granted in this country,

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Like Britain has a good history of doom bands, but

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we don't really have too many stone of rock bands.

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To boast about and Orange Goblin were like our one

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that could hang with the American bands, and like you say,

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top five for me, that's totally justified. I'm just looking

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at the catalog. I have a couple that I tend

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to go back to, but the whole thing's basically bulletproof.

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Like you say, the lows aren't low and there aren't

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really many of them, and then going out on the

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last one, which I think is back to the high

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standard that they established on some of their classic records.

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It's not that you want them to go, but it's like,

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this really feels like a if you are going to

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bow out around this time, this is a great time

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to do it.

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Speaker 1: If it is a shame, yeah, it feels like a

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really admirable career to hang a hat on in that

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because again, like last year, I mentioned it a lot

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because we didn't review the last rog Goblin album and

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it was just a case of, like I don't know

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what it was, it landed in a particular month or

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something where we didn't quite get the turnaround. But then

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we spent the next few months basically like a toning

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for that being like that Hardy Goblin was fucking brilliant

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because it was and I was pleased. I think it

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was Mark had it in the Album of the Year

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shows at the end of the year, and again I

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saw them on the tour for it, and they were

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00:23:22,759 --> 00:23:24,440
fucking brilliant. I've seen them quite a few times sort

477
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,759
of post COVID, and they've been really, really at it.

478
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,319
But going back to you know, like over ten years ago,

479
00:23:29,319 --> 00:23:31,519
the kind of eulogy for a Damned Cycle and that

480
00:23:31,559 --> 00:23:35,079
record and stuff like absolutely like a worldly of an album.

481
00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,880
And then going back to even further too, their late nineties,

482
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,720
very early two thousand's period, sort of like the boom

483
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,039
of the Stone of Rock years, when I think they

484
00:23:44,079 --> 00:23:46,799
are producing records that are up there were like you know,

485
00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,240
people will rave about like like Power Trip by Monster

486
00:23:49,319 --> 00:23:51,079
mag not whatever. I'm like, sure, yeah, great record, but

487
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,720
like on a smaller scale for some reason, never quite

488
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,440
getting the MTV attention or whatever. But Orange Goblin, Fucking

489
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,480
Scorpionica and a Quaet Fanatic and all the kind of

490
00:23:59,519 --> 00:24:01,160
thing like those are some of the greatest Stone of

491
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:05,000
Rock riffs and tunes that anyone's ever made. And yeah,

492
00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:09,519
like we say, an admirable, respectable point to kind of

493
00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:11,200
hang it all up, because I think they have become

494
00:24:11,319 --> 00:24:14,039
a just through perseverance and like road Dogs or whatever,

495
00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:17,920
they have become a kind of a an iconic, kind

496
00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:19,519
of to look up to kind of band for bands

497
00:24:19,559 --> 00:24:21,960
of that particular school, and you know who kind of

498
00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:24,960
aim to be like the Orange Goblins of that scene.

499
00:24:26,279 --> 00:24:28,279
But any of these like farewell shows or whatever, if

500
00:24:28,279 --> 00:24:30,240
that's what these turn out to be, I feelk will

501
00:24:30,279 --> 00:24:34,400
have a really like Pousi energy around them, and certainly

502
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:35,880
it probably won't be the last time we talk about

503
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,839
Orange Goblin because they'll turn up on an album Club

504
00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:40,920
or an album Roulette or something, because they are really,

505
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:42,480
I think, one of the great bands of that particular

506
00:24:42,519 --> 00:24:44,720
world that's ever been. And then we also have the

507
00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:46,559
news that Dollar Signs are also going to be calling

508
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:50,200
it quits. Dollar Signs not a band with as widespread legacy,

509
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,200
shall we say, as an Orange Goblin, are much more

510
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,160
recent in the scheme of things. Band. Dollar Signs are

511
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,079
a band who on the kind of like emo alternative

512
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,759
rock end. We've viewed a couple of their albums over

513
00:25:01,759 --> 00:25:03,200
the years, so I felt like, at the very least

514
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,039
we should acknowledge that, you know, that band are not

515
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:07,240
going to be around to produce any more of those anymore.

516
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:11,000
They were not a band for me at all. Whenever

517
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:13,880
we reviewed them, it was you know, it was not

518
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,559
one of those that connected with me in any way.

519
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,400
In some ways, it was quite the opposite. But as

520
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,960
I said, as a band who you know, we picked

521
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,160
and brought forward to represent that corner on a number

522
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,039
of occasions. Again a top of the hat to you know,

523
00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:27,839
kind of do that.

524
00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're twenty twenty one album we review

525
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,759
that felt like a bit of Roger, both because I

526
00:25:31,759 --> 00:25:33,440
really liked that record and I think this is a shame,

527
00:25:33,559 --> 00:25:35,519
like never get into just for them to go over

528
00:25:35,519 --> 00:25:36,160
here and see them.

529
00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,079
Speaker 4: So I'm like, I'm kind of glad about that, but yeah,

530
00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:39,039
it happens.

531
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this will haunt me. If you do

532
00:25:41,759 --> 00:25:44,200
like that sort of post Andrew Jackson g hard folk

533
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,640
punk emo, I don't know, you do, Peran like that

534
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:52,519
record is really good. I don't have much the stuff

535
00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:54,640
in that scene that I like, I really like, and

536
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,039
I do still find myself going back to that record

537
00:25:57,279 --> 00:25:59,039
seven years later in a way that a lot of

538
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,000
bands I've just sort of forgotten about, like very character

539
00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:06,119
all really quirky and genuinely managed to carve at a

540
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,920
sound in that scene where it feels like in that

541
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:10,400
scene it feels like loads of bands just trying to

542
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,279
ape the same thing, and Dollar Signs genuinely sounded like

543
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,079
dollar Signs. So for that alone, like you say, tip

544
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,559
of the hat, yes.

545
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,079
Speaker 1: And then in this last week we also we bid

546
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:26,200
farewell to John Sykes, the guitarist who I feel like

547
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:30,559
it's I guess, most prominently associated with White Snake during

548
00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:32,720
the eighties and it's been quite amazing actually seeing in

549
00:26:32,759 --> 00:26:35,880
the aftermathods news of his passing a lot of the

550
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,440
kind of I don't know it slightly older guard of

551
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,599
like metal icons. Really like you know, if you are

552
00:26:42,079 --> 00:26:44,279
maybe of our age or younger, you probably might not

553
00:26:44,279 --> 00:26:45,799
know the name John Sykes off the top of your head,

554
00:26:45,839 --> 00:26:48,279
but like seeing people like Michael akkerfelt and like Tom

555
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,400
g Warrior and stuff being like, oh no, John Sykes

556
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,039
was like one of the heavy metal guitarists who I

557
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:54,920
love when I was like growing up in the early eighties.

558
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,880
But again, along with the early Whitesnake, my most per

559
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:03,079
association I guess would be joining Thin Lizzy for the

560
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,680
incredible heavy metal album Thunder and Lightning, which we have

561
00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,400
done a full album club on and so you know,

562
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,720
cheers for Cold Sweat and those riffs. John. But then

563
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,640
we also last week, about two hours after I recorded

564
00:27:16,759 --> 00:27:21,200
that quick little solo Hyperblast, I did recorded that, we

565
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,039
sat down to do our Black Sabbath special that we

566
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:25,920
put out, and the news in between those two things

567
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:30,880
broke that David Lynch had also passed away. And David Lynch, Now,

568
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,759
obviously we are a music podcast and David like, you know,

569
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,400
we can't even say that he's a non musical figure

570
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,000
because a he made music and b like he did

571
00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:44,839
have direct involvement in some of our most significant bands.

572
00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:47,720
Like he pops up in our nine Inch Nails special,

573
00:27:47,759 --> 00:27:48,720
he pops up in our Ramstein.

574
00:27:49,839 --> 00:27:50,079
Speaker 4: Yeah.

575
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 1: Like like David Lynch absolutely like has direct fingers in

576
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,680
the pie of like you know, heavy and alternative music.

577
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,079
But if we, you know, think of someone who is

578
00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:01,279
like primarily known for, you know, an art that is

579
00:28:01,839 --> 00:28:04,319
you know, a non musical one. It's a visual one.

580
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:07,240
David Lynch, I think would be if we had like

581
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:11,759
a TNM mount rushmore of people from outside of just

582
00:28:11,759 --> 00:28:13,000
like you know, making heavy music.

583
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,039
Speaker 4: We do a horror podcast. We're allowed to We're able

584
00:28:16,079 --> 00:28:17,160
to talk about David Lynch.

585
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:19,599
Speaker 1: I think it goes even beyond that, Like David Lynch, again,

586
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,920
that amount rushmore of like sort of non musical figures

587
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:29,559
who are absolutely all yeah, you cannot remove them from

588
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:33,519
the culture at all. I think David Lynch is easily

589
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:35,519
on there, and he, you know, one of one of

590
00:28:35,559 --> 00:28:39,839
the patron saints for this kind of sort of left

591
00:28:39,839 --> 00:28:42,279
field culture of which you know, alternative music and what

592
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:44,559
we talk about is is a part of it.

593
00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:46,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely.

594
00:28:46,319 --> 00:28:50,319
Speaker 2: I mean, like Lynch as an artist, like his influence

595
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:53,200
goes so many different places, even beyond film and TV,

596
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:54,920
which is what he's most commonly associated with. But I

597
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,400
feel like like the obvious ones I feel about is

598
00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:01,640
like Ramstein being used on High Away and all of

599
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,680
that sort of stuff, Like was the like put these

600
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,359
bands and sort of gave them a light that more

601
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,160
people kind of then checked out. But just as like

602
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,039
the whole idea of what Lynch does and that his style,

603
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:17,559
the whole Lynching thing and how that can spread into

604
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,079
music and all kinds of other creative avenues like is

605
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,640
just so like cannot be understated. And it's like it's

606
00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:27,279
like a genuine monumental loss for all kinds of art.

607
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:30,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, and seeing the again, we're over a week now

608
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:33,799
from this news and the last time that we saw

609
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,960
this kind of sort of you know, sustained people still

610
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,960
posting tributes and just wanting to re engage all the work.

611
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:41,599
It is. You know, you're going back to when the

612
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,160
likes of David Bowie and those kind of people we

613
00:29:43,559 --> 00:29:45,880
were passing. And I don't think it's out of the

614
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,240
question for me to say, I think that David Lynch

615
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:53,799
is like again, across all mediums, probably the most important

616
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,680
artist of the last fifty years in terms of like

617
00:29:57,559 --> 00:30:02,119
bringing something to that conversation and opening up possibilities of

618
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,599
how to tell stories and how to convey emotion, and

619
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:10,640
the influence that then had on people. It's again, if

620
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:15,720
you like art of any stripe, he is again one

621
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:21,559
of the true giant figures of the last century.

622
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,799
Speaker 3: If you're any kind of creative person or just admire creativity,

623
00:30:26,279 --> 00:30:28,400
I can't think of many people who are more of

624
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,519
a bastion for it than David Lynch in any field.

625
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,440
There were a few people with as enviable a legacy

626
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,319
as I mean, Sam the fact that you said Lynchin,

627
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,359
how many people get like a word name after them,

628
00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:43,039
like cath esque David Lynch. It's like the list is

629
00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:49,240
so small, and you know, without sounding crass or anything like,

630
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:51,839
I think there's two levels of sadness that you can

631
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,680
feel when a public figure dies, Like there were those

632
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,720
who they might not have been producing great stuff anymore,

633
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:58,519
but you're sad they're gone for the stuff they did produce.

634
00:30:59,079 --> 00:31:01,880
Those ones typically old. They're the ones where you feel

635
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,839
like you've lost something by them being gone. David Lynch

636
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,880
was nearly eighty, and he was firmly in that latter camp.

637
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,640
I still held out hope for another David Lynch film

638
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,160
up until the moment I heard this news and has

639
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,680
someone with a fifty year career, and I was desperate,

640
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,640
like still looking at anything that sounded like he was

641
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,839
going to release something else. And it's is genuinely like

642
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,960
a singular voice has gone. There isn't a substitute for

643
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,279
the thing that he does. But I mean, looking at

644
00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:34,839
that catalog, what's mad is he didn't actually make that

645
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,160
many films, but there isn't a single one that is

646
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,240
remotely disposable or forgettable, Like he never stopped taking risks

647
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:44,559
and doing strange things, and yet there's not one. Miss.

648
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,000
I don't know how that's possible.

649
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 1: He's got one of those filmographies that is kind of

650
00:31:48,759 --> 00:31:51,079
succinct enough that you can like rattle them off in

651
00:31:51,079 --> 00:31:52,519
your head in order, you know, and that kind of

652
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:54,680
adds into like that that is the canon right there,

653
00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:56,920
and you know, when you're saying about the different kind

654
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,599
of sadness, you can feel like Obviously, again we're recording

655
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,160
this over a week now since we heard the news,

656
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,599
so we have a week of having had it set in.

657
00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:08,759
But again when it hit that, you know, last Thursday

658
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:10,680
and then into Friday and so on, it was like

659
00:32:12,359 --> 00:32:17,000
a heavy loss in terms of someone who genuinely like

660
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,880
like change the lives of like god knows how many

661
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,839
people who not only inspired them in their art but

662
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,400
also made people feel you know, kind of seen and

663
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,359
heard in their art. Because even the character and the

664
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:31,599
fact that David Lynch almost felt like a friendly uncle

665
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:33,880
you could have, whether it be you know, the the

666
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,640
guy who did the weather reports, you know, clear golden

667
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,759
skies all along the way, and you know, on this podcast, however,

668
00:32:39,759 --> 00:32:42,160
many times have I referenced if you can believe it.

669
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,480
It's a Friday once again, and all of that stuff

670
00:32:45,079 --> 00:32:46,920
down to the fact that you know, fix your hearts

671
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:47,440
or die.

672
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:49,960
Speaker 2: That's the one, like the because I've not seen the return,

673
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:52,319
I've seen that clip. That's been like a major part

674
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:55,880
of like my life, just that clip for the last

675
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:56,519
how many years.

676
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,559
Speaker 1: It's one of the most just like memorable impactful statements

677
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:06,599
about like allyship essentially that anyone has ever come out with.

678
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,119
And of course it had to be him because of

679
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:13,960
that instantaneousness of like feeling of language. And again, one

680
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,279
of the things that I saw when everything was coming

681
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:18,279
out here was just someone saying, fuck, I think the

682
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:20,799
best human ever just died. And it's like, yeah, maybe

683
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,960
maybe you know, like someone you who viewed the world

684
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:26,759
like that, like you could say that, I guess, you know,

685
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:28,480
going back to you know, the canon and so on.

686
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,720
I take it we're all, to some degree, you know,

687
00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:35,680
fans of the work. What was your what was your

688
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:39,440
first you know, David Lynch, your media experience.

689
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:40,039
Speaker 4: Twin peaks.

690
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: I got round to the Lynch movies quite late, but

691
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,200
I've watched Twin I've watched I still have to watch.

692
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:47,920
I've not watched those yet. But I've watched the original

693
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:50,759
like two seasons of Twin Peaks so many times I

694
00:33:50,759 --> 00:33:53,480
think it might be. Even the bad half of season two,

695
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,160
I think still might be the greatest TV show. And

696
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,119
there is a genuine argument for me and Twin Peaks

697
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,799
is that. And because because I'm going Twin Peaks through

698
00:33:59,839 --> 00:34:03,240
so so many other things outside of movies, in like

699
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:06,359
the early twenty ten's, video games decided they all wanted

700
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:09,000
to be Twin Peaks, Alan Wake is just twin Alan Wake,

701
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:12,280
the comminition these games will do. And that's what made

702
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,800
me go, Okay, I should watch Twin Peaks in like

703
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,639
twenty eleven, twelve or something like that, and it blew

704
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:18,360
my mind, And eventually I got around to a copy

705
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,360
that actually watching the Lynch movies, I've.

706
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:22,159
Speaker 4: Still got a few of them.

707
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 2: After we finished that Sabbath podcast, I sat and watched

708
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,679
Lost Highway for the first time, and like felt sad

709
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,480
watching that movie because that's like a fucked up, weird,

710
00:34:30,519 --> 00:34:34,320
demented movie that is like heavy watching. But I still

711
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,280
just like I felt this just undereniable sadness of being

712
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,320
like a guy who did this, like he's gone, and

713
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,159
it just the weight of like the loss of Lynch.

714
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:45,559
And I watched Elephant Man for the first time the

715
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,280
day after, and I cried because that movie is beautiful

716
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:53,039
and heartbreaking and like they're like just yeah, like Twin

717
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:56,000
Peaks is the one for me. It's like, but I'm

718
00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:58,239
making sure this month to like get it, get all

719
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:59,719
the Lynch blind spots ticked off.

720
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 3: Now, I mean you talk about like people whose lives

721
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,840
have been changed by David Lynch. I wasn't alive for

722
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,320
decades before like erase ahead when that comes along. And

723
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,840
I saw that when I was still fairly young, and

724
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,719
I still think about the first I saw that film

725
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,079
and it really felt like anything could happen, and it

726
00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:19,719
kind of explew up my my universe of what art

727
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:21,960
could do and how much you could just follow your

728
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,159
own vision. If you have an idea, do it. You

729
00:35:24,159 --> 00:35:25,920
don't have to explain it to anyone. And then I

730
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,239
went down this rabbit hole of you know, Mulholland Drive,

731
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,800
which I still think has the most nightmarish film sequence

732
00:35:32,159 --> 00:35:34,960
I've ever seen in my life, and Inland Empire is

733
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,920
that the way that guy it felt like he could

734
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,239
get into my brain and show me images that would

735
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,320
frighten me, which I can't even other direction has been

736
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,360
able to do that. And then later I got round

737
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,039
to things like The Elephant Man, and finally I think

738
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:51,400
it was the last Lynch film I saw, The Straight Story,

739
00:35:52,159 --> 00:35:52,800
and that's.

740
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:54,199
Speaker 1: The one that I haven't yet seen. That's the one

741
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,559
I'm gonna tick off in the coming weeks.

742
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 3: Well, I won't say like the end of it. You

743
00:35:59,079 --> 00:36:00,000
I presume you know the press.

744
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:04,320
Speaker 1: It's about a bloke on a farm and it's normal exactly.

745
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll get that true story one, isn't it that?

746
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 3: It's the true story? It's the Disney film that he made.

747
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,400
And my uncle, who watches something like three hundred and

748
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,519
fifty new films a year, one time I asked me, said,

749
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:18,960
what's your favorite film ever? And he said The Straight Story?

750
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,119
And I said, oh, what's it about? And he said, oh,

751
00:36:21,119 --> 00:36:22,320
it's this guy. This is before I knew it was

752
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,000
a David Lynch film. He said, I was a guy

753
00:36:24,039 --> 00:36:26,679
who he writes a lawn mower for the whole film,

754
00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:31,119
the whole movie. Yeah, that's your fate. You've seen tens

755
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:34,400
of thousands and that's your favorite film in the world. Yeah,

756
00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:38,119
And that's right. Okay, foolish but fine. And then years

757
00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:39,719
later when I kind of got back into Lynch stuff

758
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,639
and I sat down and watched it, I won't say

759
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:46,000
how wet, Like I've not wept to any other film ever,

760
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,119
like the most touching that guy. Just his ability, to

761
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,960
his death control of a viewer's emotions without ever resorting

762
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,440
to like cliche or mawkishness. It's it's unbelievable.

763
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:00,679
Speaker 4: I think this is the thing when everyone.

764
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 2: Obviously knows all Lynch it's weird, it's surreal, it's all that,

765
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:05,119
and that's kind of like the surface of but his

766
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:09,760
movies are so human and like so emotionally impactful, even

767
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,280
his weird ones. There is such a like twin picture

768
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:13,559
that's such a weird one, but there is such a

769
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:17,639
like intense human story going on, and you're you're getting

770
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:19,400
to all these characters and you're feeling with them. Like

771
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,880
the Elephant Man is kind of like the most obvious

772
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:22,679
kind of example of this.

773
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,159
Speaker 4: But like I mean, that's just one of those.

774
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: Qualities that it's just so remarkable about him, is the

775
00:37:27,559 --> 00:37:29,880
real human emotion he will make you feel in these

776
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:30,920
surrealest stories.

777
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: I think David Lynch is one of his like key characteristics,

778
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,960
and maybe something that he has almost over any of

779
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,320
the filmmaker is absolute emotional sincerity where which I think

780
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,760
is why you know in a in an era when

781
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,239
things have been kind of irony poisoned for a certain

782
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,039
amount of time and you're kind of maybe seeing people

783
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:50,679
wanting to like push away from that. I think that's

784
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,519
almost why someone like David Lynch continues to find new

785
00:37:55,599 --> 00:37:59,519
fans with like younger generations and stuff, because it is

786
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:03,199
so like the literal event of what happening might be

787
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,920
so fucking weird and obvious gated, but the emotional core

788
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,320
of it is there is not a hint of irony

789
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,880
about it. It is about conveying that feeling to you,

790
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,719
whether it be again something as more straightforward in that

791
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,400
as like an elephant Man for example, or even something

792
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:23,920
as like utterly like indecipherable as like Inland Empire, there's

793
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,360
still some kind of like you're left with a certain

794
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,719
feeling about it by the end of it. The first

795
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,840
one I saw was a razorhead. For me, I'm most

796
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:35,639
the opposite of you, Sam in that like Twin Peaks,

797
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:37,760
because it was like a long TV series is like

798
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,360
the last thing I got around to and I watched

799
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,760
like mainly the horror films, Like first of all, so

800
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,599
I saw what Raizorhead was the first one I saw.

801
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,719
I watched Lost Highway for the first time, I guess

802
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,400
about five years ago now when we were doing the

803
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,920
nine inch Nail special and it was like, oh, you know,

804
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,000
Trent Reznor produced the soundtrack and did an original song

805
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:55,559
for it and stuff, and I watched Lost Highway as

806
00:38:55,559 --> 00:38:57,079
part of that. So he is always kind of to

807
00:38:57,199 --> 00:39:00,119
a degree integrated with again the kind of the story

808
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:02,480
of rock music and metal music and this kind of

809
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,400
part of our culture. But my favorite one, and now

810
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,079
I have seen again almost everything, but my favorite Lynch

811
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:12,159
movie is is fire Walk with Me, which I think

812
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:17,119
is not only one of the most like like that

813
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,559
his most horror film in my opinion, like it is

814
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:25,159
one of the most genuinely petrifying, scarring pieces of cinema

815
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:30,840
I've ever seen, but also at the end it has

816
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,679
like maybe the most moving final images you could argue

817
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,199
of like any piece of media ever, because of how

818
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,119
much he cares about that story you're telling and the

819
00:39:40,199 --> 00:39:44,960
character that he's he's dealing with, and that I think

820
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,360
it will last forever, you know, as cheesus might be

821
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:48,840
to say, that is the kind of the art that

822
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:53,719
stands up for generations and generations, and even the fact

823
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,840
that like so much, particularly the sort of you know,

824
00:39:57,159 --> 00:40:00,239
some of his later movies, like More Holland Dry, even

825
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,039
In an Empire and so on, they so much they

826
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:04,519
deal with, like the mythology of Hollywood and of Los

827
00:40:04,559 --> 00:40:08,519
Angeles and stuff, and the kind of the consumptive nature

828
00:40:08,559 --> 00:40:10,000
of it, like there's the good and the bad of

829
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,519
a place like Hollywood in the in those movies, the

830
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:14,880
fact that it was you know, essentially kind of put

831
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,199
out there and stated that the Los Angeles fires of

832
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,360
the last couple of weeks are essentially the reason that

833
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:23,280
David passed away because he'd been suffering from mphasema from

834
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,760
his heavy like lifelong, you know, years and years of smoking.

835
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:29,719
It reached the point where last year he was dying

836
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:33,119
as with eversema, couldn't really go outside much many more

837
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,519
or move around very much, and then kind of being

838
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:37,519
displaced and having to move from one place to another

839
00:40:37,519 --> 00:40:40,440
with the fires ultimately kind of you know, led to

840
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,360
him taking a turn for the worse. And it's obviously

841
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,639
that's so fucking tragic, and it's so like genuinely just

842
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:50,920
awful that a you know, a climate change induced natural

843
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,119
disaster like that literally in this case, took away one

844
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:57,679
of our creative greats. But that's almost like that's in

845
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,880
some weird way, there's mythology being made there, you know,

846
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:03,320
like a guy who made all of those movies about

847
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,599
Los Angeles and the place around it and the fire

848
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:11,440
burning inside of it. To a degree, it's there's something

849
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,440
about that there. And again just bring it back to us,

850
00:41:15,679 --> 00:41:17,559
you know, in Twin Peaks, the return the fact that

851
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:21,199
you've got Nine Inch Nails in their performing in the

852
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,880
episode which is basically about like witnessing the birth of

853
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,960
evil and kind of before that, you go and here

854
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:30,320
is the Nine Inch Nails as they are credited in

855
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,800
that performing that weird fucking song from the Not Natural

856
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,719
Events EP. She's gone away, Like yeah, just like one

857
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,360
of as said, the maybe the most significant artist of

858
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,800
the twentieth century, even going into the beginning of the

859
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,519
twenty first, but certainly someone who was very much a

860
00:41:48,119 --> 00:41:52,079
unparalleled piece of the you know, alternative culture and alternative

861
00:41:52,159 --> 00:41:56,639
music world as well. So yeah, that's that's a loss

862
00:41:56,639 --> 00:41:58,119
that we're gonna be thinking about for a while. But

863
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,880
hell of a fucking career, hell of a body of work,

864
00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:06,880
eternal you know, pats off to mister David Lynch. So

865
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:08,880
that is a heavy dose of news. Let's move on

866
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,599
with the rest of this episode. First of all, mentioned earlier,

867
00:42:12,599 --> 00:42:14,800
we put out the Black Sabbath Special, the first part

868
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,519
a couple of weeks ago, which is the do Year's

869
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:19,360
era Apart. That was a lot of fun to do.

870
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,239
We've had some really cool feedback and conversations with people

871
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,440
about whether they had like maybe never ever listened to

872
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,039
the doo years, or maybe like that is their Black Sabbath,

873
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:29,480
their associations and so on. That special is you know,

874
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:31,639
going to be picked up and continuing that story going

875
00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:35,280
forward very soon. But as it is the first review

876
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,199
show of January, we also have the matter of the

877
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:40,280
first album clubs of the year that we are going

878
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,320
to be getting to first and so I'm gonna let

879
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,760
you know those right now as we get to them.

880
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,599
First of all, at the end, this is a Doozy,

881
00:42:48,679 --> 00:42:51,559
this is the good Ones. At the end of last year,

882
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,880
we had been having some conversations with Elliott about Elliott

883
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:01,440
essentially at this comparatively late stage becoming saboton pilled, and

884
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:03,719
so we are going to be kicking off album clubs

885
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:08,079
with I think their most cohesive album statement, their twenty

886
00:43:08,159 --> 00:43:14,360
twelve Swedish concept album Corollas Rext and next after that.

887
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:16,920
So I was looking for names here and I thought,

888
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,519
what can we do? And I've got a name written

889
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:21,559
down here that Sam has brought up on multiple occasions.

890
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,800
And so this is totally like, this is I am,

891
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,719
this is on you whatever this is, because I don't know,

892
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,559
but it's a name that you have brought up multiple

893
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:38,559
times Family Force five with an album I believe it

894
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:40,480
is called Business up Front Party.

895
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:41,199
Speaker 4: In the.

896
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: So we're going to find out what that is, I

897
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:51,280
guess to kick off twenty twenty five, and then Lives

898
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:54,400
will claw out some credibility from that because in our

899
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,719
punk and hardcore corner, we are going to be talking

900
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,760
about one of you know, for the past nearly thirty years,

901
00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:04,079
the most revered texts of hardcore, Hate Breeds nineteen ninety

902
00:44:04,199 --> 00:44:08,519
seven debut album Satisfaction is the Death of Desire. And

903
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:11,440
then to finish it's going to be quite an epic

904
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:12,960
start to the year as well, because we are going

905
00:44:13,039 --> 00:44:16,599
to throw back about ten years to one of the

906
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:20,000
kind of standard bearers of what became the sort of

907
00:44:20,079 --> 00:44:25,119
heavy metal revival with Visigoth's debut album, The Revenant King.

908
00:44:25,599 --> 00:44:29,440
So that is the album club Slight.

909
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 2: On all the Family Force five songs coming flooding back

910
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,000
into my mind and how I know the lyrics to

911
00:44:37,039 --> 00:44:38,239
all of them still.

912
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:40,679
Speaker 1: I've never heard them before, but I will. So there

913
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,480
you go. That is going to be covering up. So

914
00:44:42,639 --> 00:44:43,960
if you want to hear all that and the Black

915
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,119
Sadder Special and so on, patroon dot com slash that's

916
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:50,320
Lamel is the place to do. Let's spend the rest

917
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,199
of this episode doing our album reviews. As said at

918
00:44:53,199 --> 00:44:55,400
the top of this show, we got six albums that

919
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,079
we are going to be talking about, and the first

920
00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:01,480
one of them comes from the Night Flight Orchestra. Their

921
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:04,840
album is called Give Us the Moon's First time we

922
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,599
are reviewing an NFO album on T ANDM, I believe,

923
00:45:07,639 --> 00:45:10,360
but they have been mentioned many a time, primarily in

924
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,239
the live environment, but they've also they've been around for

925
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,320
ages like this is their seventh full length album, but

926
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:18,079
it's been the last kind of half decade or so.

927
00:45:18,159 --> 00:45:21,480
When I've like really woken up to them because Knightflow Orchestra,

928
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:24,760
for a quick primer, kind of don't sound like much

929
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,519
other things that we would review within the T and

930
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:29,920
M universe. It makes them like a real fun oddity

931
00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:31,599
to do at a time like this when an album

932
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:34,480
there comes along. They are a band led by Beyond

933
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:37,559
Strid from soil Work. They also feature, for example, the

934
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:39,880
long time basis of Arch Enemy, so you know this,

935
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:41,800
I guess along with the band the we review later on.

936
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,880
They're almost like a fun alternating path of like what

937
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,199
veteran melod death dudes can do at a point in

938
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:51,440
their career to cut loose. But Knifefight Orchestra are the

939
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,559
one who have nothing to do with death metal or

940
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:56,000
maybe even much metal to be honest, because they are

941
00:45:56,119 --> 00:46:00,360
in twenty twenty five the world's greatest yacht rock revival band.

942
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:06,639
We are talking full aoar seventies eighties classic pop rock,

943
00:46:07,159 --> 00:46:10,280
and it's been quite shocking to see a band, you

944
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,519
know again, starting as an offshoot of some old melodath

945
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:17,840
bands storming into that position. Elliott, you are a fifty

946
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,599
year old man in the body of a twenty five

947
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:24,280
year old surely as the guy who regularly in our

948
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,320
TNM group chat will just unprompted start talking about the Eagles.

949
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:28,960
That has to carry some weight here.

950
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 3: It carries a great deal of weight for me. It

951
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,719
gets you pretty far in my books. If you just

952
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,599
evoke AOAR quality.

953
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:39,039
Speaker 1: Be damned.

954
00:46:39,159 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 3: Frankly, Like, there are bands that and songs that I

955
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,519
like that I appreciate. Maybe aren't all that good and

956
00:46:46,599 --> 00:46:49,760
aren't all that credible, and some even among us right

957
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:53,119
now wouldn't be considered worth the time or day. But

958
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,639
if you can deliver some AOAR yacht rock to a

959
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:01,119
decent standard, we can be friends.

960
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. I basically view them as like the rightful Airs

961
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,599
to Toto, like that kind of thing. I first, and

962
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:10,719
I mean that fully complimentary, like that, that's some quite

963
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,840
a title to hold in twenty twenty five. I first, like,

964
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,119
I checked them out really on their twenty twenty album

965
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:18,320
A Romantic and I thought, wow, this is great, some

966
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,119
really great songs on here. And then immediately the next

967
00:47:20,199 --> 00:47:23,679
year they released Romantic two, which was even better. Aromatic

968
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,599
two is fucking crazy good, Like the hits on that

969
00:47:27,639 --> 00:47:31,239
thing White Jeans, how long burned for me? I became

970
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,800
just so for like, oh shit, yeah, like this band

971
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,639
have got the sauce for this kind of thing, Like

972
00:47:34,679 --> 00:47:36,920
this is real, and they have a ton of like

973
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,559
great songs from the you know, the prior records as well,

974
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,519
and when they pit all of those together, they can

975
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:46,239
be one of the best party bands in live music

976
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,119
as well, like Bloodstock twenty twenty two when they ended

977
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:54,559
the whole weekend legitimately one of the most delirious everybody's

978
00:47:54,599 --> 00:47:58,280
inhibition's gone, everybody having the time of their lives festivals

979
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,440
that I personally ever experienced. Sam, We'll get onto you

980
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,039
and your your acts of spiritual violence in a minute,

981
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:07,639
but give us the moon, you know, a longer break

982
00:48:07,679 --> 00:48:09,639
than the two Romantics. I had been left waiting for

983
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:12,119
a little while. I was just looking for more of that,

984
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:14,800
because they are, you know, again, in terms of bands

985
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,599
at leads who exists within the kind of contemporary rock

986
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:18,440
and metal scene that we might review, they are pretty

987
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,440
much in a niche of one of delivering on the

988
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,440
thing that they do. And so if I want someone

989
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,480
to provide the thing it's got to.

990
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 3: Be then yeah, I mean I was I was trying

991
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,920
to think about this earlier, but is there anyone else

992
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,159
who delivers on that niche to any meaningful stand out.

993
00:48:31,159 --> 00:48:33,760
Because it's been a long time since The Darkness about

994
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,840
a great record. The last band do I think really

995
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:39,760
put out some brilliant songs of this standard, of this

996
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,800
kind even was Foxy Shazam, and they disappeared and then

997
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:47,239
came back and were shite like. It felt like I

998
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:48,880
was hearing what other people were hearing in a fox

999
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:49,800
eya Uazam for the first time.

1000
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 4: It was.

1001
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,119
Speaker 3: It was heartbreaking. So I was definitely in the market

1002
00:48:54,320 --> 00:49:03,039
for some high quality AOI yacht rock and they've delivered. Yeah.

1003
00:49:03,079 --> 00:49:05,679
Speaker 1: I mean in the press kit they've got, there's a

1004
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,800
quote about their mission of protecting true aor and I'm

1005
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,400
amazed that we haven't got like defend ao T shirts

1006
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,000
from the Nights like Orchestra. I've like, in general, my

1007
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,639
thing with Nightville Orchestra is it's part of a wider

1008
00:49:16,679 --> 00:49:19,760
thing of like I've lamented before. I was really saying

1009
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,119
this around the time that like Imperor by Ghost and

1010
00:49:22,159 --> 00:49:24,480
the Last Summer Lands albums were both coming out, because

1011
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:26,719
they were like some of the I guess only antidotes

1012
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:31,639
to it, but that like the classic pop songwriting in

1013
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,519
the tried and true, like mid twentieth century tradition has

1014
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:38,079
all but disappeared from like popular mainstream rock and metal,

1015
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,400
and with it has gone a great deal of like

1016
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,800
the joy because rock tunes that are you know, purely

1017
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,159
about good vibes and good times like that's why we

1018
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:50,920
love Judas Priest and all these type of things. And

1019
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,519
what has replaced it in again, it's been replaced with

1020
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:56,719
different things. That's not me saying that sort of modern

1021
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:59,840
mainstream metal is completely devoid of anything worthwhile, but I

1022
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:02,119
do that is an element that has gone missing over

1023
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:05,000
the years when it's been replaced by primarily metalcore and

1024
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:07,199
you know, post the new Metal booms and that kind

1025
00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:09,840
of thing, and you know, NFO, you know, they aren't

1026
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,639
metal in the same way as you know, Ghost or

1027
00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:15,000
Sumerlands or whatever, so there's less of that like crunching

1028
00:50:15,039 --> 00:50:17,320
power that you might get from those, but they do

1029
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:22,840
just dollop out that pure, unbridled like classic old school

1030
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:28,360
joyous pop sensibility in very generous helpings, where as well

1031
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,559
as your totos and so on. Eighties rush like the

1032
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,039
keyboard line that opens the first song proper Stratus just

1033
00:50:35,079 --> 00:50:37,920
to Me has like grace under pressure written all over it,

1034
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,880
and then it just hits this like four on the floor,

1035
00:50:40,159 --> 00:50:42,960
dance floor bat and it's like, yeah, this is like

1036
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,719
this is totally what just everyone would have been having

1037
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,320
the best time listening to back in nineteen seventy seven.

1038
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 3: I think there's I don't think it's just in rock music.

1039
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,320
I think it's in maybe media generally. I think there's

1040
00:50:56,360 --> 00:51:01,159
a bias against happy things. Believe that if something is serious,

1041
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:03,960
we perceive it to be somehow more worthy of praise.

1042
00:51:04,519 --> 00:51:09,239
Like there's when was the last time a big acclaimed

1043
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,400
rock and metal band did a song about rocking who

1044
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,360
weren't considered like it just it doesn't happen anymore. That's

1045
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,840
a perfectly fine thing to write a song about. Why

1046
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:23,760
can't a band dresses flight attendants like we accept like

1047
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,519
abject nonsense in extreme metal? Do? I mean, like bands

1048
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:30,800
dressing as animals and cult means and that sort of thing.

1049
00:51:31,039 --> 00:51:33,159
But if something just has a smile on its face,

1050
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:36,800
there seems to be this presumption that it's stupid somehow,

1051
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:42,800
And Nightflight Orchestra kind of are stupid. But that's not

1052
00:51:43,119 --> 00:51:47,719
to say that it's not good, And it's if you're

1053
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:52,280
doing this thing. Stupidity is not the worst thing to have.

1054
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I wil also like to say that it's

1055
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,800
one of these were like stupid in one sense, but

1056
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:01,760
also this is not stupid music like this. The thing

1057
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,039
that Nighteflocks to really have going for them, I think,

1058
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:07,559
is again like a Toto or someone, right, it's like

1059
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:12,320
Toto of fucking musicians, man, and like Toto people worship,

1060
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,639
but the altar of Toto because of like, oh shit,

1061
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:17,079
you know, like can you hear these guys? Can you

1062
00:52:17,159 --> 00:52:21,000
hear this craft of these songs and so on? And

1063
00:52:21,039 --> 00:52:23,679
it's maybe you can say Nightflilks are kind of silly,

1064
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:26,360
but I think they're also very clever in how they

1065
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,159
go about constructing their first stuff.

1066
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: Well, I do I feel I should I should correct

1067
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,119
the thing I just said, because I've fallen into the

1068
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:36,199
post gen X trap of calling something uninhibited stupid, which

1069
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,800
is something that really bothers me about other people, and

1070
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:44,239
I've just done it myself, Like joyous fun unrestrained is

1071
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,199
just labeled stupid now because it's the idea that you'd

1072
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,159
have to be stupid to do that, not at all,

1073
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:51,400
Like they're fully aware of what they're doing. And I

1074
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:52,360
think it's a good idea.

1075
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's every one of their tunes is just like

1076
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:59,880
custom built for buggying. That shooting velvet groove that comes

1077
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,519
in between that like the backbeat and then that keyboard

1078
00:53:02,599 --> 00:53:06,960
riff is unreal. When on like the beating of a heart,

1079
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:10,639
this like survivor fucking guitar lick comes in, I legit

1080
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,480
went like, oh, like hell, yeah, we are going. They

1081
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:16,480
have got two full time members who are just there

1082
00:53:16,639 --> 00:53:19,360
to do like harmony backing vocals. So every chorus, like

1083
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,400
you know, like that shooting velvet one has got them

1084
00:53:22,559 --> 00:53:25,320
the get together now now we're never in miraculous is

1085
00:53:25,639 --> 00:53:28,360
so good. And again on the just the playing from

1086
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,800
when this band hit solo sections, the guitar tone and

1087
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,480
the kind of melodies that they put out of the

1088
00:53:33,519 --> 00:53:38,000
air is so like eighty Skylines, the flighter is in

1089
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:41,360
cruise control. It's pure top gun, you know, it's it's

1090
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:45,639
so just so slick, and you seem exactly on the

1091
00:53:45,639 --> 00:53:48,280
same page as it is. It is of a pre

1092
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:51,599
you know, grunge, new metal, whatever mindset where it's like, yeah,

1093
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:55,679
we're having fun and we are exceptional at writing songs

1094
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,119
with real craft and real song power behind now, which

1095
00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:01,360
for me is real what shine through with a band

1096
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,679
like the Nightflight Orchestra above, like so many of their

1097
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:05,199
peers who might go for the same kind of thing

1098
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,719
but just don't have the chop to quite do what

1099
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,320
these guys can. It's not all been so lovely here though,

1100
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:16,280
because Sam, you have dismissed and laughed at this band

1101
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,239
at every turn as we've been bringing it to the

1102
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:19,880
table with.

1103
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:23,079
Speaker 4: Good reason, frankly. But so here's the thing.

1104
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,199
Speaker 2: I stand by a lot of whites and say they

1105
00:54:26,199 --> 00:54:30,000
are a silly, gimmick band, Like you know, they're in

1106
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:32,360
Flight tenn costumes is wearing a cape and a silly

1107
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:36,639
hat and a silly sparky jacket, and they are of

1108
00:54:36,679 --> 00:54:39,960
like classic music that's kind of like mudging and winking

1109
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:40,280
at you.

1110
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,559
Speaker 4: It is gimmick music, but.

1111
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:48,159
Speaker 2: On occasion, and I don't think it's across the whole album.

1112
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:51,239
But I can't deny that I had a life changing

1113
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,559
moment when I heard shooting.

1114
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 4: Velvet from a gun.

1115
00:54:56,480 --> 00:55:00,760
Speaker 2: Shooting velvet is incredible. Like I was like, oh, this

1116
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,199
is this is it? This is what Nightfly? This is

1117
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:06,480
that feeling, and like they don't hit it across this

1118
00:55:06,519 --> 00:55:09,079
whole album. That's so that's why I'm gonna like kind

1119
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:11,320
of like draw my line is, I think parts of

1120
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,280
this are absolutely incredible. I think it's too bloated. There

1121
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:18,559
are way too many keyboard solos. Like fucking well, piss

1122
00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:20,599
off of the keyboard solos once you get about the

1123
00:55:20,599 --> 00:55:23,840
fifth one. Every song does like, guitar solo is fine.

1124
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,559
You know, if you wanna put guitars in every song,

1125
00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:27,920
I'll allow it. If you're gonna do a guitar solo

1126
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:31,880
and a keyboard solo in pretty much every song, behave.

1127
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:36,440
But when that chorus, like I mean, the thing is

1128
00:55:36,519 --> 00:55:39,280
Stratton's and Open Hours kind of like actually pretty good,

1129
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,199
actually you know, aggressively cheesy. But when the backing vocals

1130
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,960
coming on the chorus, the lift is there and you know,

1131
00:55:47,679 --> 00:55:51,440
like it is big. You've got those massive eighties ao

1132
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:55,000
R guitars. The synth is like glistening and shimmering all

1133
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:56,960
over it, and you're right with the eighties rush thing.

1134
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,960
I was like cool, you know quite like this, Yeah,

1135
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:01,639
playing gimmick gets annoying really fast.

1136
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 4: I'll say that that's like one.

1137
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: Of the even that big a deal on the album

1138
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:06,840
is the thing they do too many of those silly

1139
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:07,920
airplane interludes.

1140
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 4: There's two is on at the start and what at

1141
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,760
the end one of the middle as well.

1142
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 2: It's called but the opening sort of free run song

1143
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,719
three song run on this album of Stratus, Shooting Velvet

1144
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:24,960
and like the beating of a heart is fucking incredible.

1145
00:56:25,159 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 4: I can't deny that.

1146
00:56:27,199 --> 00:56:30,519
Speaker 2: Again, like I want to emphasize, like Shooting Velvet is

1147
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:32,559
my supercharging moment, shall we say.

1148
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 4: I'm kind of.

1149
00:56:33,639 --> 00:56:39,599
Speaker 5: Like like this song when you can believe that chorus

1150
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,679
has not left my head for the last week, and

1151
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:43,960
I hate that it's stuck in there, but it is

1152
00:56:44,599 --> 00:56:46,679
absolutely incredible that when he sets to come on and

1153
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:47,039
turn it.

1154
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,119
Speaker 2: Around before the guitar, so I think it is. I'm

1155
00:56:49,119 --> 00:56:52,000
like fucking yeah. And again they kind of like when

1156
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,719
that course comes back in for the last time and

1157
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:56,400
it's just even bigger than every I's like, god, this

1158
00:56:56,519 --> 00:56:56,679
is it.

1159
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,199
Speaker 4: I get it. I really do get it.

1160
00:56:58,199 --> 00:57:00,599
Speaker 2: This is amazing, Like the big of the brings in

1161
00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:04,639
that like disco beat and it's a real hipshaker. Again,

1162
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,519
don't it a chorus, but don't need a keyboard, sellow,

1163
00:57:07,559 --> 00:57:08,639
but that chorus is great.

1164
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 4: And I'm like when they when that when they hit it.

1165
00:57:11,519 --> 00:57:16,960
Speaker 2: I can't deny they are writing really big pop rock

1166
00:57:17,079 --> 00:57:19,960
songs in a classic sense that are gimmicky. I will

1167
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,960
stand by that statement. I don't think that is anything

1168
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:24,639
wrong to say about that, but they are big. Probably

1169
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:26,280
is Sam goes on way too long, the songs that

1170
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,760
need to be five minutes long, all of them are

1171
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:30,239
like most of them, and there are too many keyboard solos.

1172
00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 4: I'll just emphasize that again.

1173
00:57:32,519 --> 00:57:35,079
Speaker 3: I just I don't think the songs are gimmicky like

1174
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:37,320
they I know they dress funny and there's that framing

1175
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,119
device of We're on a plane, but it's not like

1176
00:57:40,239 --> 00:57:43,440
every song is the pilots want to play, you know,

1177
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:44,960
want to play the.

1178
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:47,079
Speaker 1: Not ale storm of the sky like.

1179
00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:52,599
Speaker 2: You know, Cloma is like eighties for the like cheese

1180
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:56,800
ballad that feels like it's like like, I guess the

1181
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:58,880
gimmick thing is slightly downplay when you actually get to

1182
00:57:58,880 --> 00:57:59,320
the music.

1183
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,559
Speaker 4: Fine, man, Yeah, a bit too much for me.

1184
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:07,519
Speaker 3: But the thing Palom is great, like it was the

1185
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:07,840
best song.

1186
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:10,119
Speaker 2: But Polomer is a song that could be in any

1187
00:58:10,199 --> 00:58:13,079
eighties movie when like the two leads are off somewhere

1188
00:58:13,159 --> 00:58:16,960
being in love, like it's so like schmaltzy and cheesy

1189
00:58:17,639 --> 00:58:21,960
and all those things, but it is big, like like yeah.

1190
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,559
Speaker 3: It's it's sweeping. I know what you mean. It is

1191
00:58:25,679 --> 00:58:28,400
kind of it feels absurd, but it's like a lost

1192
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:30,760
Eurovision winner. It's it's like a meat loaf song that

1193
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,480
never was and I simply cannot be upset about that.

1194
00:58:34,679 --> 00:58:38,440
The chorus is irresistible and I'm sure someone else has

1195
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,440
done that melody before, Like that's a thing across the

1196
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,760
truck and you kind of pick the influence something, Oh

1197
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,320
that's Boston. That miraculous. The's a bit of dire straits

1198
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:47,679
on there, which, yeah, you know, there's no problem in

1199
00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:51,039
my Runaways is like pure feel Collins like exactly, and

1200
00:58:51,079 --> 00:58:53,960
like give Us the Moon sounds like ThunderCats Love Island

1201
00:58:54,039 --> 00:58:56,440
like that. You can just play, you know, spot the

1202
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,239
reference all the way through. But when we hit those

1203
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:01,119
highs and I'm I kind of know what you mean that.

1204
00:59:01,199 --> 00:59:05,719
Maybe thirteen tracks, they're not all of the sky high standard,

1205
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:11,960
if you will, But Paloma is fucking glorious.

1206
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that essentially. I agree, Like

1207
00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:18,039
you know, Knife Flighter is normally like again going back

1208
00:59:18,039 --> 00:59:21,480
to the previous records they do normally like they give

1209
00:59:21,519 --> 00:59:24,360
you slightly more than you need, I think, but they

1210
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,440
always have Like every album I think has about three

1211
00:59:26,519 --> 00:59:28,760
or four songs that are of that, like Upper Tiers

1212
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:30,760
Shooting Velvet, Like I mean, if you could make the

1213
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,519
supercharge of comparison, the idea that that this is the

1214
00:59:33,559 --> 00:59:35,119
first time in the night focus, I.

1215
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,679
Speaker 2: Need to listen to the older albums properly, Yeah, but

1216
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:38,719
give them a chance.

1217
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 4: But chem velvit did.

1218
00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:42,599
Speaker 2: It was my eye opener moment of like, maybe I've

1219
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:44,559
been a little harsh on that exactly.

1220
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,599
Speaker 1: Because again, throwbout it again the previous album, like I mentioned,

1221
00:59:46,719 --> 00:59:49,119
songs like burn for Me and White Jeans and how

1222
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:53,519
Long are Fucking Incredible? And like, fundamentally, I just I

1223
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:57,159
disagree with the idea that good band who dressing costumes

1224
00:59:57,159 --> 00:59:59,679
equals gimmick band. I think that's I think that's a limiting,

1225
01:00:00,159 --> 01:00:01,920
kind of stupid way of looking at it, because then

1226
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,360
you look at Okay, I Mono Martha a gimmick band,

1227
01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:05,559
ghost like.

1228
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 2: Gimmick gimmick doesn't always have We've started to take I'm

1229
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:10,920
a wrestling fan, right, Gimmicks are not a bad thing.

1230
01:00:11,199 --> 01:00:13,559
Speaker 1: But you've been using it as a pejorative. You'd been

1231
01:00:13,559 --> 01:00:15,960
like a nightfel Orchestra, silly gimmick band. It's like, well, no,

1232
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:19,119
they're just a great band who dresses costumes, and like again,

1233
01:00:19,239 --> 01:00:21,119
I think like ghost, like the ultimate antidote of like

1234
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:24,400
a band whoever like people for years called a gimmick band,

1235
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:28,480
but fundamentally they write amazing music. And again, we were

1236
01:00:28,519 --> 01:00:30,159
having this conversation a little bit in the prelude and

1237
01:00:30,159 --> 01:00:32,360
I think you Elliott said something like they don't dress

1238
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,360
any sillier than Elton John does, and it's like, yeah,

1239
01:00:34,519 --> 01:00:37,760
it's it's larger than life, glitz and glamour pop music.

1240
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,320
And when you take the music, I think the songs again,

1241
01:00:40,360 --> 01:00:43,679
when they're really at it, are pretty much timeless outside

1242
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:46,199
of the look. And so the idea that Knightflocus are

1243
01:00:46,239 --> 01:00:48,000
in some way a I feel like when you call

1244
01:00:48,039 --> 01:00:51,400
something a gimmick band, it inserts again that like exactly

1245
01:00:51,400 --> 01:00:54,239
what we were saying, the idea that something is less

1246
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:58,280
worthy or less serious or less of quality if there

1247
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,119
is some kind of like wink or whatever.

1248
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:05,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think gimmick is always again, I've a band.

1249
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,119
Speaker 4: I don't think gimmick has to mean bad.

1250
01:01:07,719 --> 01:01:10,079
Speaker 2: I just think that there is you know, there is

1251
01:01:10,119 --> 01:01:12,599
a thing to it beyond the music that kind of

1252
01:01:12,639 --> 01:01:13,960
like catches you.

1253
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 4: You see him.

1254
01:01:14,679 --> 01:01:17,199
Speaker 2: If you saw my market, the festival, the Aris festival,

1255
01:01:17,199 --> 01:01:19,639
girl would see them dressed up doing their thing and

1256
01:01:19,639 --> 01:01:21,719
would be like, oh, I'm having fun with this because

1257
01:01:21,719 --> 01:01:24,639
it's showy and flashy and all that, and there is

1258
01:01:24,679 --> 01:01:29,000
just a touch that the difference is is they do right, Yeah, songs,

1259
01:01:29,199 --> 01:01:30,880
they are as much as a gimmick band. They're still Panther,

1260
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,280
a gimmick band. They're just not nearly as repulsive and

1261
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:34,519
terrible songwriter as are still Panther.

1262
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: Infinitely infinitely preferable, and like again, those people would stick

1263
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:40,440
around because the songs great. And I became a fan

1264
01:01:40,519 --> 01:01:42,760
of Night Phil Wadre because the songs were great, Like

1265
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,960
I liked the records before i'd seen them live for

1266
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,639
the for the first time. And there's a famous quote

1267
01:01:48,639 --> 01:01:50,840
in certain kind of music critic circles. I believe it

1268
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,039
was primarily used to kind of talk about Taylor Swift

1269
01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:56,119
and the wider sort of like poptimistic kind of movement.

1270
01:01:56,239 --> 01:01:59,719
But the quote is respect motherfucking craft. I don't give

1271
01:01:59,719 --> 01:02:02,039
a shit that they dress like air hostesses and have

1272
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,559
the audacity to at a show that is all about

1273
01:02:04,599 --> 01:02:07,199
good vibes, encourage people to do a conga line. The

1274
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:11,480
craft is top drawer, who is writing better songs like

1275
01:02:11,559 --> 01:02:14,599
these right now? And again people sneer it the likes

1276
01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:17,119
of Toto and Kansas or whatever for zen for years

1277
01:02:17,159 --> 01:02:20,599
and listen to the rhythm section in Miraculous that like

1278
01:02:21,239 --> 01:02:24,960
pop and the drum part underpinning of the keyboards is

1279
01:02:25,119 --> 01:02:27,639
pure like quality musician ship, which is always the thing

1280
01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:29,519
that a band like this can kind of pull out

1281
01:02:29,559 --> 01:02:31,599
of their sleeves if they're really worth their soul to

1282
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:35,079
kind of silence anything else, because like the intricate drum

1283
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:39,000
pattern that grounds Cosmic Tide is crazy good. Like I

1284
01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:41,079
feel like I'm at a drum clinic during that song

1285
01:02:41,199 --> 01:02:44,119
learning about poly rhythms, but also one where everybody's wearing

1286
01:02:44,159 --> 01:02:47,599
flares and dancing. And you go through this album and again,

1287
01:02:47,639 --> 01:02:49,719
like not every song as a shooting velvet standard chorus

1288
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,880
or whatever, but like that I think is a real

1289
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,400
consistent that makes it so pleasurable to go through, where

1290
01:02:54,599 --> 01:02:56,960
the baseline in something like a Paris point of view,

1291
01:02:57,159 --> 01:03:01,599
this goes on really good yeah, on seventies disco base

1292
01:03:01,639 --> 01:03:03,119
and it's like, what a pleasure to have that on

1293
01:03:03,159 --> 01:03:06,119
an album that we can review on TNM. I think

1294
01:03:06,159 --> 01:03:08,119
Beyond is such a great expressive singer, which you really

1295
01:03:08,119 --> 01:03:10,519
hear in something like Paloma like like you mentioned, which

1296
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:12,840
to me is almost like you know when bon Jovi

1297
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,480
channel Springsteen, you know, like in the eighties and they

1298
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,320
have that kind of you know, Runaway Springs to the

1299
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,119
type feel that has like a touch of that to it.

1300
01:03:20,159 --> 01:03:21,639
So if you are a Jovie head, you are going

1301
01:03:21,719 --> 01:03:23,440
to lose it for that tune. And even when you

1302
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:25,199
get into the latest stages of the album, there were

1303
01:03:25,239 --> 01:03:27,480
songs where I was going, oh, holy shit, because fucking

1304
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:31,320
Way to Spend the Night is like Giorgio Moroda is

1305
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:35,360
in the house, like maximum Blondie American Jigglow cores Absolutely

1306
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,360
it's brilliant. And then Runaway, which you mentioned earlier, to

1307
01:03:37,400 --> 01:03:40,079
me that it's almost like something eighties Alice Cooper would do.

1308
01:03:40,159 --> 01:03:41,679
It feels like a song that I haven't heard anyone

1309
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:45,159
right in a long time, and it's there are one

1310
01:03:45,159 --> 01:03:47,760
of those bands that are just like it's a weight

1311
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:49,559
off your shoulders when you're listening to them. It's just

1312
01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:52,679
like it's comforting, no troubles here type music.

1313
01:03:53,519 --> 01:03:55,519
Speaker 3: I think I just for me, it's always been a

1314
01:03:55,559 --> 01:03:58,960
matter of take the band on their terms, like yeah,

1315
01:03:59,239 --> 01:04:03,039
an aor, and that's the sort of thing you should

1316
01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:05,280
expect per se. But it shouldn't be that weird to

1317
01:04:05,320 --> 01:04:07,440
you in that if I want to go to your

1318
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,840
hardcore band, the guys in the band being ordinary down

1319
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,159
to that whole thing of it's they're people like me.

1320
01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:15,159
They're just like me. I could be one of them,

1321
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,000
you know. That's great for that sort of thing, maybe

1322
01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:21,199
makes it more relatable. I don't want the people making

1323
01:04:21,239 --> 01:04:23,480
my ao R albums to be just like me. I

1324
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,239
don't want the I don't want to be able to

1325
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,519
just see them in the pub like leave your Ian

1326
01:04:28,599 --> 01:04:31,920
Mackay Henry Rollins principles at the door. I mean you

1327
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,400
mentioned wrestling, like you want people who could be wrestlers,

1328
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,840
you want live cartoon characters. That's the people you want

1329
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,840
making this music, because if there was any you know,

1330
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:47,320
inhibition or some sort of self self awareness, it wouldn't sell.

1331
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,119
And it's the fact they go for it as far

1332
01:04:50,159 --> 01:04:52,639
as they do, and the thing the references were making

1333
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:57,079
it that's why it's like you said, that's why it's

1334
01:04:57,079 --> 01:05:00,199
a weight off your shoulders. It's it's infectious, how like

1335
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,559
not insecure? They are so like.

1336
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,199
Speaker 2: I because I did the whole meat the album on

1337
01:05:05,239 --> 01:05:07,400
its terms. I that's kind of mindset. I tried to

1338
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:09,960
go into this with all of my like like and

1339
01:05:10,039 --> 01:05:11,880
I think that's when when I was enjoying it the

1340
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,199
most was there. I think there was just there's too

1341
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:17,280
much of it that it gets exhausting, like is it

1342
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,840
twelve waste ofm denight that like sugar rush of that

1343
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,679
song coming in is like genuinely it's like Jesus Christ

1344
01:05:23,679 --> 01:05:25,079
are doing this this late in the album. I think

1345
01:05:25,119 --> 01:05:28,280
that the real kick of me was the closer. Was

1346
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:31,320
kind of soured me on this quite a bit because

1347
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,360
that goes on weight. That's the one where I kind

1348
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,519
of go like, Okay, this album's already been a lot,

1349
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:38,920
and now you're closing on a seven minute song that's

1350
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,719
quite dull and lifeless in comparison to some of like

1351
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,360
the real Skyscraper skyhist if.

1352
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:45,079
Speaker 4: You've been doing earlier.

1353
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:47,159
Speaker 2: I mean, you cut that, you cut the sound down

1354
01:05:47,199 --> 01:05:49,159
to ten songs, You pick any ten songs I'm not

1355
01:05:49,159 --> 01:05:50,960
gonna say, like cut off at certain point, you like

1356
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:52,199
take the best things on this, And I think I

1357
01:05:52,199 --> 01:05:54,880
would actually come at this way more positive than I have,

1358
01:05:55,239 --> 01:05:57,440
because I think, like it would you cut out the

1359
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:58,760
bits that made me kind of just get a bit

1360
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,039
like roll my eye, I said that bit going on

1361
01:06:01,079 --> 01:06:02,320
a bit too long or that.

1362
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think that's fair. But then we've

1363
01:06:04,239 --> 01:06:07,800
also got nine to ten songs of an absolutely fucking

1364
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:11,320
cracked record, And yeah, I mean I don't I don't

1365
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:12,920
think it's I think that's normally a problem they have.

1366
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:14,599
But I also like, I don't think this is their

1367
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,920
necessary their best album overall, But I think it is

1368
01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:19,760
just another great one with a whole bunch of brilliant

1369
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,280
junes that I'd love to see live. I am enjoying

1370
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,480
myself thoroughly all the way through, really, and I do

1371
01:06:25,519 --> 01:06:27,480
think they have a lot of different kinds of like

1372
01:06:27,519 --> 01:06:30,039
grooves and feels and so on that give tracks a

1373
01:06:30,159 --> 01:06:34,239
kind of an individual pop and there's just no one

1374
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:34,840
doing it like it.

1375
01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:39,079
Speaker 3: No, I feel more or less the same. I will

1376
01:06:39,079 --> 01:06:41,719
say something I agree on the last track probably being

1377
01:06:41,719 --> 01:06:43,400
my least favorite, Like when I saw there was eight

1378
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,320
minutes long and it's called Stewardess, Empress, hot Mess and

1379
01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:49,159
the Captain of Pain. I was pretty excited. I thought

1380
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:51,280
we're gonna go full meat Loaf here. It's going to

1381
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,920
be for crying out loud, I do Anything for Love Paradise.

1382
01:06:54,679 --> 01:06:57,239
Speaker 2: By the dashboard light, and I think that's what I

1383
01:06:57,280 --> 01:07:00,000
was hoping for, because knowing how bombast they've been doing,

1384
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,159
I was like, okay, if you gonna do that, and

1385
01:07:01,159 --> 01:07:01,679
then it's just this.

1386
01:07:01,719 --> 01:07:06,079
Speaker 3: Kind of like like yeah, sleepy. It did feel a

1387
01:07:06,119 --> 01:07:10,039
little bit lethargic at that point, but like you said,

1388
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,079
nine ten songs of a really high standard in a

1389
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:16,440
style that not many people are doing at standard. Even

1390
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:21,000
approaching this that can only be accepted as a triumph

1391
01:07:21,039 --> 01:07:21,599
in my book.

1392
01:07:22,639 --> 01:07:26,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, that's the Nightfly Orchestra we are. It got

1393
01:07:26,719 --> 01:07:30,480
a very sort of like Scandinavian Metal Hammer kind of

1394
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:33,199
coded start to review there, so say we will get

1395
01:07:33,239 --> 01:07:36,280
to your area in time. But the next album we

1396
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:39,079
are going to talk about is from Wardrouner and their

1397
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:42,599
album is called Beena. This is an interesting slot because

1398
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,360
you know, not because this is like a new Prospect

1399
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,599
or anything. But again, I don't think we really dedicated

1400
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:50,280
a review slot to something like this before, or at

1401
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:53,880
least in a long long time. Wardrouner have been for

1402
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,760
a very long time one of the more interesting and

1403
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:01,400
kind of unique projects to exist kind of adjacent to

1404
01:08:01,719 --> 01:08:04,599
the metal sphere, because we are talking here about one

1405
01:08:04,679 --> 01:08:08,840
of the like og and kind of core names of

1406
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:15,639
the kind of exhibitional pagan European folk music that has

1407
01:08:15,679 --> 01:08:18,960
really embedded itself into at this point, I'm not even

1408
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,680
just gonna say the metal scene, but like far beyond

1409
01:08:20,720 --> 01:08:22,720
it we are talking I guess, you know, the kind

1410
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:24,840
of stuff like high Lung that bizarrely has become a

1411
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:27,560
thing that everybody kind of knows, like whether you're big

1412
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,840
into it or not, whether you know anything about this

1413
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,479
kind of music or not. You know, this sort of

1414
01:08:33,039 --> 01:08:36,359
pagan whether it be Norse or otherwise. You know, again,

1415
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:40,039
almost like art exhibition type projects that have become huge

1416
01:08:40,119 --> 01:08:44,159
like live draws in recent years, is a proper phenomenon

1417
01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:48,079
that this kind of music has ended up being like

1418
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:51,479
as large a deal as it has become. What is

1419
01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:54,680
your guys, you know, kind of relationships been with you know,

1420
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,880
let's just the general sphere of the kind of thing

1421
01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,920
that we are talking about around something like Wadron.

1422
01:09:01,239 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 2: If this is soundtracking a God of War, a hell

1423
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:07,520
Blade video game, or a Northman start like that sort

1424
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:10,920
of thing as a soundtrack, I'm totally down with a

1425
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:12,000
lot of what's going on here.

1426
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:16,079
Speaker 4: It has to be accompanying some other medium.

1427
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,520
Speaker 2: To kind of like bring more life to the world

1428
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:20,239
like God of War ragnavok has I don't. I don't

1429
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:22,039
think it's wardering exactly, but it has. The soundtrack of

1430
01:09:22,079 --> 01:09:24,920
that game is so full of stuff like this, and

1431
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,880
in that context, I really like it because it's the

1432
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:31,399
perfect kind of like things do it this by itself

1433
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,439
like this, any of this one music highlum all of them,

1434
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:36,279
because Hilong did like the hell Blade soundtrack for the

1435
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:38,880
last Helplad game and again really cool works that saying,

1436
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:41,079
but the music on its head I from them, listen

1437
01:09:41,119 --> 01:09:41,640
to it, I do.

1438
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,039
Speaker 4: I don't get along with it as well.

1439
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,039
Speaker 3: I mean, I love folk music and I can get

1440
01:09:47,039 --> 01:09:49,520
on with some real hey nonny nonny stuff, Like my

1441
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,119
favorite film is The Wickerman and I listen to that

1442
01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:57,359
soundtrack all the time. I think this phenomenon is so

1443
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,319
heartening because it proves to me that the there's no

1444
01:10:00,399 --> 01:10:02,720
such thing as a formula for success, like we kind

1445
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:04,760
of think all rock bands if they want to get big,

1446
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:07,279
not that obviously these aren't rock bands, but to be

1447
01:10:07,319 --> 01:10:10,640
big you have to play slowly for four, simplify the riffs,

1448
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:12,399
make the core of sound that Lincoln Park, whatever it is.

1449
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:16,239
It's like the idea there's a shortcut. But the popularity

1450
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:18,319
of things like Wardrouna and Hireland, at least in the

1451
01:10:18,319 --> 01:10:21,600
live environment, they kind of exist somewhat outside the festival

1452
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:24,479
paradigm we have here in the UK. But the popularity

1453
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,760
these bands Wadrouna play red rocks when they go to

1454
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:31,600
America now it's yeah, it's remarkable. And they play a

1455
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,760
form of authentic, like you say, like exhibitional Nordic folk

1456
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,880
that pre dates the tropes of popular music, like before

1457
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:43,399
distributed music was even an idea, and yet they're popular.

1458
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:48,800
I just think it's one thing. It's not surprising that

1459
01:10:48,840 --> 01:10:51,199
I like this thing, but I'm still kind of bowled

1460
01:10:51,239 --> 01:10:53,840
over by how much it connects with other people.

1461
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's the kind of thing that you know,

1462
01:10:56,119 --> 01:10:59,359
they can and is a whole load of kind of

1463
01:11:00,119 --> 01:11:03,760
academic writing about what this could suggest, I suppose, like

1464
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:06,000
is it I don't know, in an increasingly kind of

1465
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:10,399
digitalized world, a symptom of people I don't know, pining

1466
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:13,720
for some kind of history or you know, like relationship

1467
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:16,039
with the past or the earth or whatever it may be.

1468
01:11:16,079 --> 01:11:18,359
I don't know, but like certainly, like I think High

1469
01:11:18,399 --> 01:11:22,880
Lung taking off was like a really mad moment where

1470
01:11:23,239 --> 01:11:25,840
that is you know, an actor, I guess, primarily on

1471
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:29,279
the legend of its live show has become like like

1472
01:11:29,319 --> 01:11:31,680
a festival headliner of a certain mid tier, like they've

1473
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:33,479
done Our Tangent and that kind of thing, and you know,

1474
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:37,039
then they've played like Glastonbury and they get huge magazine

1475
01:11:37,319 --> 01:11:39,079
magazine slots all of their like you know, they have

1476
01:11:39,119 --> 01:11:41,800
like clearly a huge like advertising budget at their label

1477
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,720
and stuff like that, like Highlight are a huge deal,

1478
01:11:44,359 --> 01:11:46,479
and it was post Hi Lung that we got like

1479
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,640
a whole huge wave of like other stuff like that,

1480
01:11:50,359 --> 01:11:52,960
and that point I kind of find it hard to

1481
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,800
gauge almost like how many of these projects are really

1482
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,960
the ones where there's like something there to really dig into,

1483
01:11:59,359 --> 01:12:01,720
and how many any of them are like a guy

1484
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:05,359
chopping a log because they've come through like the hole

1485
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:07,840
in the damn that's been burst open by you know,

1486
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:11,920
high lungon Wardrouner. It's one of those things where it's like,

1487
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:15,520
what should be the most niche niche that we could

1488
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,880
possibly talk about, has actually in the last ten years

1489
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:23,399
become a massive trend and anywhere like a vaca or

1490
01:12:23,399 --> 01:12:25,640
a bloodstock, there will be something like this around the corner.

1491
01:12:26,279 --> 01:12:28,640
You look at labels like Season of Myst or so on,

1492
01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:30,680
and they all like rushed to pick up a lot

1493
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,039
of signings in that kind of area. This war Droner

1494
01:12:33,079 --> 01:12:35,840
album that we are reviewing, this is not on Season

1495
01:12:35,880 --> 01:12:38,560
of Myst or Napalm or even like Nuclear Blast or

1496
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,279
something that you would expect a kind of metal culture

1497
01:12:40,279 --> 01:12:44,319
type label. It's on Columbia, just straight up major label

1498
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:48,159
Columbia current label mate Lil nars X and Adele. Right,

1499
01:12:48,319 --> 01:12:50,680
there's a song on this album Leafierberger. I think it's

1500
01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,079
the last one that was released like a few years ago,

1501
01:12:53,119 --> 01:12:56,560
quite before this album. That song has nearly twenty million

1502
01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,680
streams on Spotify. Like, this is the biggest thing we

1503
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:04,560
are viewing this week easily, and it is you know, Sam,

1504
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:06,920
the avenues that you're mentioning stuff like video game soundtracks

1505
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,600
and TV soundtracks, that is I guess how this style

1506
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:15,199
has like become a very bizarrely large cultural presence. But

1507
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,720
Wardroner are the one that I would choose to review

1508
01:13:17,720 --> 01:13:20,039
because they're the one that I just respect the most.

1509
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,720
And that's not to say I don't respect various other ones,

1510
01:13:22,720 --> 01:13:26,680
but with Wardrouner, they've been doing this thing for so long,

1511
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:29,880
long before there was any of that kind of cultural

1512
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,359
presence for this kind of thing at all, and where

1513
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,000
sometimes it might be a little bit hard to like

1514
01:13:35,039 --> 01:13:38,039
separate again the week from the chaff, when there's so

1515
01:13:38,079 --> 01:13:40,319
many of these type projects, with Wardroner that I've just

1516
01:13:40,359 --> 01:13:42,600
got like a guarantee that like what is being done

1517
01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:46,880
here is really genuine and really you know, a genuine

1518
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,079
kind of artistic drive and it's not jumping on a

1519
01:13:49,119 --> 01:13:53,199
particular bandwagon or whatever. I think they should be given

1520
01:13:53,239 --> 01:13:57,600
particular credit as like kind of the pioneers of bringing

1521
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,439
this ancient style of music back into the zeitgeist again

1522
01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:03,000
and then allowing the likes of high Lung and so

1523
01:14:03,039 --> 01:14:05,279
on to really come on afterwards. Where you know, they

1524
01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:07,680
started this back in the early two thousands. They were

1525
01:14:07,720 --> 01:14:11,479
originally formed by main Man, Aina Selvic and Gal who

1526
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,119
are both members of Gorgoroth, so it originally spun out

1527
01:14:14,119 --> 01:14:16,960
of the black metal scene. They've done collapse with Enslaved

1528
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:18,720
and that kind of stuff, which is always put the

1529
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:20,520
more on my radar. But they are the one of

1530
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:22,560
these projects who are like, have made albums that I

1531
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,000
have loved and I've spent like significant time with that.

1532
01:14:25,079 --> 01:14:27,399
Of all these, they started off with a trilogy called

1533
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,239
runal Lyod and the middle one Extra Sill in particular,

1534
01:14:30,359 --> 01:14:31,760
I was a really big fan of and I listened

1535
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,319
to that record a lot around the time it came out.

1536
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:35,720
And I think it's probably right to say collectively that,

1537
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:39,000
you know, we are maybe not so in tune with

1538
01:14:39,119 --> 01:14:42,479
some of the critical nuances of ancient Norse folk music

1539
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,880
in the way we might be reviewing a metal album. Certainly,

1540
01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:47,399
you know, we don't know as much as the people

1541
01:14:47,399 --> 01:14:50,760
who are really dedicating their lives to making this. Maybe

1542
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,800
we have a general base of knowledge taken from things

1543
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:56,239
like you know, luodyite media like movies and video games

1544
01:14:56,279 --> 01:14:58,680
and so on. But I also think that's probably true

1545
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:01,199
for ninety nine percent would hear these records, And I

1546
01:15:01,199 --> 01:15:02,520
think that we can act as a sort of like

1547
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:04,439
gauge for you know, sort of the every man type

1548
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:07,159
person who might hear these records and what they might

1549
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:10,079
get out of it. As said Wardrouna are the one

1550
01:15:10,119 --> 01:15:11,920
of these bands who I have been a fan of

1551
01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:13,840
for quite a long time and do make records that

1552
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:18,319
I do resonate with Elliott, You'll maybe suggesting something similar. Sam,

1553
01:15:18,359 --> 01:15:20,560
You're saying that, at least on its own, it can

1554
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:24,680
be hardgoing, which I appreciate because it's not I mean,

1555
01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:28,279
it's not conventionally you know, in the pop tradition kind

1556
01:15:28,319 --> 01:15:30,159
of structuring songs at all.

1557
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:32,359
Speaker 2: Just not my muting, like this is just moms gy.

1558
01:15:32,359 --> 01:15:35,279
I'm the list too. Like again, if I'm doing it, it

1559
01:15:35,319 --> 01:15:37,680
might be like a background listen whilst I've got like

1560
01:15:38,079 --> 01:15:39,399
if I want to put something that I didn't need

1561
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:40,840
to like look into too much out one of that

1562
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,840
just sounds interesting in the background, something like this, which

1563
01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:45,880
is why I normally lean to a lot of video

1564
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:48,279
game soundtracks, which again, this sort of sound has been

1565
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,600
so heavily lifted into I'm quite.

1566
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:53,319
Speaker 4: Alright with it.

1567
01:15:53,880 --> 01:15:56,520
Speaker 2: Just sitting down to review this as an album was

1568
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,560
kind of I was like, ah, okay, so how do

1569
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:00,399
I feel about this?

1570
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,199
Speaker 4: Actually, like kind of engage with it on that level.

1571
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:07,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, I am sympathetic to that. But for me,

1572
01:16:08,319 --> 01:16:10,880
it tips almost into the realm of things like ambient

1573
01:16:11,159 --> 01:16:14,439
and new age music, where I don't sort of sit

1574
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,119
there looking at my laptop with my notes open, thinking,

1575
01:16:17,439 --> 01:16:20,920
you know, what's what's it doing here? What's the course

1576
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:22,880
or the transitions or the production and things like that.

1577
01:16:23,399 --> 01:16:25,319
To me, I listen to this in a way that's

1578
01:16:25,359 --> 01:16:27,760
not disimilar to the way I might listen to like

1579
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:32,000
an early Earth record or something like that. I kind

1580
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,279
of put it on and let it sweep over me,

1581
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:38,000
which I mean my sort of the flip side of

1582
01:16:38,039 --> 01:16:39,760
what you're saying is I find this sort of thing

1583
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:43,840
quite difficult to review because it almost feels like the

1584
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:45,920
point of listening to it is to kind of clear

1585
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,039
your mind. And yeah, yeah, I've.

1586
01:16:49,079 --> 01:16:51,279
Speaker 4: Really struggled with my review notes for this as a result.

1587
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:54,600
Speaker 3: Well, it's that sort of shamanic thing where it's so

1588
01:16:55,159 --> 01:16:59,479
like hypnotic and ritualistic and repetitive. It's almost like it's

1589
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,840
trying to lacks those critical faculties. The fact that we

1590
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,239
was satis laptop listening to it feels some sort of blasphemy,

1591
01:17:06,359 --> 01:17:08,079
like it doesn't feel it doesn't even feel like I

1592
01:17:08,079 --> 01:17:10,640
should be getting, you know, an email with this record

1593
01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:12,720
in it. That all just feels wrong somehow.

1594
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:18,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, But again I can appreciate it's it's what

1595
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,359
you were saying, Sam. For myself, I almost go the

1596
01:17:21,359 --> 01:17:25,039
opposite route, where like, this is a band who you know,

1597
01:17:25,159 --> 01:17:28,479
consistently going back again some time that I have made

1598
01:17:28,520 --> 01:17:32,000
records that I kind of like to just dedicate a

1599
01:17:32,079 --> 01:17:34,960
moment to, and I don't get as much out of

1600
01:17:35,039 --> 01:17:38,079
them if I am just fucking, you know, doing anything else,

1601
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:41,520
or like, you know, my focus is somewhere else, because

1602
01:17:41,560 --> 01:17:45,359
they have that very meditative quality of like you you

1603
01:17:45,359 --> 01:17:48,760
put yourself at the center of it and it you

1604
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:51,720
allow it to surround you. And I think again, Wardruner,

1605
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:53,760
of all of these type bands are the one who

1606
01:17:54,159 --> 01:17:56,680
I find at least in how I personally connected to it.

1607
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,640
Do that the best They've got the six records Now

1608
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:02,039
this one Berner, it means bear and there's a sort

1609
01:18:02,079 --> 01:18:04,840
of concept around this record relating to the sort of

1610
01:18:04,840 --> 01:18:08,720
the spiritual concept of the bear, and it's kind of

1611
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,600
you know, struggle sort of reconciling that sort of rustic

1612
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,880
ancient environment with sort of modern day society, which is

1613
01:18:13,920 --> 01:18:16,319
very much again the kind of like existential sort of

1614
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:18,239
topics that you would associate with this kind of music,

1615
01:18:18,279 --> 01:18:21,720
with the past and present, changing world and so on.

1616
01:18:22,279 --> 01:18:25,479
But it's all about, you know, immersion and atmosphere and

1617
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:28,000
this great sense of history where they are records where like,

1618
01:18:28,079 --> 01:18:31,439
I don't know what the hell these musicians must have

1619
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:34,760
like gotten into and studied in order to learn how

1620
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:36,880
to do this, you know, like to feel like you

1621
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:40,840
are authentically channeling something from fifteen hundred years ago, when

1622
01:18:41,399 --> 01:18:43,760
everybody who originated this kind of music is long dead,

1623
01:18:43,800 --> 01:18:46,079
you know, but these records feel like they are textured

1624
01:18:46,119 --> 01:18:47,840
with history. And when again, when I really give myself

1625
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,479
to them, it's like you can feel the forests around

1626
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,319
you and you can breathe the sea air as you're

1627
01:18:53,359 --> 01:18:55,920
hearing it. And sonically, I think they do a fucking

1628
01:18:55,960 --> 01:18:59,439
tremendous job where these records are so immersive. The mixture

1629
01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,279
here at the start here of like the kind of

1630
01:19:01,319 --> 01:19:04,439
jaw harp that it doesn't is that like it's one

1631
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:07,199
single source. It's almost like it's all around you. And

1632
01:19:07,239 --> 01:19:09,560
they use this sort of like animal hyde drum that

1633
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:12,439
has this very particular earth fee rumbling in the depths

1634
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:16,239
kind of sound, which if you've never heard anything like this,

1635
01:19:17,119 --> 01:19:19,239
if you've not ventured in this particular style we're talking about, oh,

1636
01:19:19,239 --> 01:19:21,479
if it hasn't kind of you know, crossed your path,

1637
01:19:22,039 --> 01:19:24,359
we're obviously we're talking something that has no like rock

1638
01:19:24,399 --> 01:19:27,000
instrumentation at all. Like there are not electric guitars here.

1639
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:28,680
There are not you know, there's not a drum kit.

1640
01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:31,680
It does not do things like conventional rock beats or

1641
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,920
anything like that. But percussively, they build from these like

1642
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:40,079
hypnotic almost like heartbeats. Like the way that that ancient

1643
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:43,520
kind of drum rhythm is so again like deep within

1644
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:45,880
the sound, it almost feels like it's coming directly from

1645
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,760
kind of the the center of you know, the record,

1646
01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:52,800
and biproxy you and they they layer a lot on

1647
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:57,439
top of that, and it's a really amazing trick when

1648
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:00,600
they like fully extend it as far as they can go,

1649
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,560
which I do think you hear some excellent examples of

1650
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:04,600
that on this particular record.

1651
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 4: I mean, is it hurt Ann or that.

1652
01:20:06,920 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first track, that first track is incredible.

1653
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:11,640
Speaker 2: I think that first track I was gonna like, right,

1654
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,000
I get it because again I mean The commitment to

1655
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:17,920
authentasty on this album is draw droppingly commendable. How Like

1656
01:20:18,399 --> 01:20:20,680
it genuinely doesn't sound like an album released in twenty

1657
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:24,920
twenty five, as from you know, the production being clean,

1658
01:20:25,039 --> 01:20:27,119
it does still just sound like you are there in

1659
01:20:27,159 --> 01:20:30,119
the drum circle or whatever, like like you're in the

1660
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:32,399
forest as you people are just playing this music. It's

1661
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:35,239
so it's so earthy, it's so nuteres. They're all like

1662
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:37,600
the same cliches. But it's the only way you can,

1663
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:40,720
I think, describe this music when it's being done to

1664
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:42,720
this level. But like Hurt and the way it like

1665
01:20:43,359 --> 01:20:45,800
builds on that steady drum beat and they're layering in

1666
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:47,720
more chanting and it.

1667
01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:48,920
Speaker 4: Is really stirring.

1668
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,039
Speaker 2: I think, like towards the end of that song where

1669
01:20:51,039 --> 01:20:53,640
it's all kind of like comes together, I was like, fuck,

1670
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:58,760
I get this. This is this is great. And again,

1671
01:20:58,760 --> 01:21:00,600
like there's no kind of contemporary thing. This is not,

1672
01:21:00,680 --> 01:21:02,880
you know, like kind of like a folk with like

1673
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:07,000
a modern twist. It is so classical in its approach,

1674
01:21:07,079 --> 01:21:10,039
which I think is like that I guess that's the

1675
01:21:10,079 --> 01:21:11,640
thing that we're trying to do. That they're they're they're

1676
01:21:11,680 --> 01:21:13,399
not even trying to bring anything modern to this. They

1677
01:21:13,399 --> 01:21:17,920
are so focused on accurately conjuring this kind of like

1678
01:21:18,119 --> 01:21:22,000
pagan musical feeling, and I think that, like on that print,

1679
01:21:22,199 --> 01:21:23,680
they clearly succeed.

1680
01:21:23,319 --> 01:21:24,319
Speaker 4: At it well.

1681
01:21:24,359 --> 01:21:26,239
Speaker 3: I think one of the main challenges this kind of

1682
01:21:26,279 --> 01:21:28,920
music faces is how do you produce it in a

1683
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:31,279
way that feels both authentic and light. You're getting the

1684
01:21:31,279 --> 01:21:34,319
full picture because I mean folk in a way, it's

1685
01:21:34,319 --> 01:21:35,960
not dis similar to black metal in that you want

1686
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:37,319
it to you want to feel like you're right there

1687
01:21:37,359 --> 01:21:39,880
listening to it. But we also don't want the clarity

1688
01:21:39,960 --> 01:21:43,279
of being able to absolutely everything, every single thing, and

1689
01:21:43,279 --> 01:21:45,720
everything being perfectly mixed and perfectly mix because then you're

1690
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:47,600
kind of conscious of the fact that it was recording

1691
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,960
the studio and like you say, released on Columbia, Will

1692
01:21:51,039 --> 01:21:56,359
Drownan managed to sound so sweeping and atmospheric and yet

1693
01:21:56,399 --> 01:22:01,279
also massive, like this thing that it booms and yawns

1694
01:22:01,319 --> 01:22:03,520
and there's these echoes. It sounds like you're at the

1695
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,640
bottom of a cave, sort of surrounded by the players

1696
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,520
I get. I think that's why it's so easy to

1697
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:11,880
just drift off and let it wash over you. Bas say,

1698
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,039
from that first track, you don't have to. You don't

1699
01:22:15,079 --> 01:22:17,880
have to ease yourself into this record. It so quickly

1700
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:18,880
puts you where it wants you.

1701
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it still can be heavy. I think when

1702
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,880
they like really lay into it, like the title track Burner.

1703
01:22:25,159 --> 01:22:27,640
Every time they do this like low note on the strings,

1704
01:22:28,079 --> 01:22:29,960
it all has like a foghorn effect. If it's just

1705
01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:34,319
been like it just like properly locks you in. And

1706
01:22:34,479 --> 01:22:37,680
the particular instruments they use have this really incredible tonality

1707
01:22:37,680 --> 01:22:39,800
to them. There's this one I believe it's the Tagler Harper,

1708
01:22:40,279 --> 01:22:43,279
but it's that kind of stringed instrument that particularly again

1709
01:22:43,279 --> 01:22:45,359
in that first track, that kind of harsh, twangy kind

1710
01:22:45,399 --> 01:22:49,199
of string you feel is really again, I just adore

1711
01:22:49,279 --> 01:22:51,359
that sound. It just really, to me is really expressive

1712
01:22:51,359 --> 01:22:54,039
and has this really rich, emotional kind of depth to it.

1713
01:22:54,359 --> 01:22:57,199
And then they'll layer in again melodies of choirs and

1714
01:22:57,279 --> 01:22:59,920
other instruments and so on, and the compounding of th

1715
01:23:00,239 --> 01:23:04,760
x of each element. A song like the ostil Jord

1716
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:08,640
brings in like flutes and again like lots of choirs

1717
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:11,199
and stuff, and it's this feeling of being like surrounded

1718
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,880
by like these presences and like I don't think like

1719
01:23:14,039 --> 01:23:17,199
menacing would be the right word, because it's not scary.

1720
01:23:17,560 --> 01:23:20,079
It's more kind of just like enigmatic, you know, it's

1721
01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:25,159
a real feeling of like being somewhere else. And again,

1722
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:27,760
the centerpiece of that is there's a song called Davil Drama,

1723
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:30,279
which is the fifteen minutes centerpiece, and Sam, you are

1724
01:23:30,359 --> 01:23:31,960
rolling your eyes. I know exactly what you're gonna say.

1725
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:33,560
It's five we don't have to say it. It's fifteen

1726
01:23:33,560 --> 01:23:36,920
minutes of like quiet, but it opens with like several

1727
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:40,000
minutes of sounds like you're underwater, and then there's this

1728
01:23:40,039 --> 01:23:42,960
kind of heartbeat pulse to it that feels like it's

1729
01:23:43,079 --> 01:23:46,000
slowed to an almost like hibernating kind of pace, like

1730
01:23:46,199 --> 01:23:49,399
rippling through these layers of aquatic muffling. And it's not

1731
01:23:49,439 --> 01:23:51,199
in any hurry to really like move on from it,

1732
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:53,680
because it's not a it's not a fifteen minute epic

1733
01:23:53,720 --> 01:23:56,920
metal song. It's almost like like a Dead Can dance

1734
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,000
songward or something. It's just kind of like eking this

1735
01:23:59,119 --> 01:24:02,279
magic out of the air, twinkling, centering you type thing.

1736
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:04,439
And then I read in the press release that apparently

1737
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,239
that the pulse rate of a hibernating bear is in

1738
01:24:07,279 --> 01:24:09,680
fact a rhythmic basis through a lot of this album

1739
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:11,560
and like works like a through life for her. And

1740
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:14,000
I was just like you clever bastards, because like, that's

1741
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,239
so it was genuinely tangible at least on a subconscious

1742
01:24:16,319 --> 01:24:20,479
level that affect in there and that this album sounds

1743
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:25,560
like something great and huge and powerful in stasis, kind

1744
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:28,199
of waiting to wake up and break out again. It

1745
01:24:28,359 --> 01:24:32,560
is music in that sense feels just genuinely drawn from

1746
01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:35,479
like the natural world and our surroundings in a really

1747
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:36,479
unique and powerful way.

1748
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,239
Speaker 3: And then when they strip things down, they remind you

1749
01:24:41,279 --> 01:24:44,079
of the human element. I think like Hibbie Awning, which

1750
01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:47,520
is just three minutes long, and there's maybe three musical

1751
01:24:47,560 --> 01:24:51,439
parts to that song, and it's fantastic, Like it almost

1752
01:24:52,199 --> 01:24:55,159
acts as like a ditty to break up how oppressive

1753
01:24:55,239 --> 01:24:58,640
and demanding of you so much this record is, and

1754
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:01,960
you're reminded that that, Yeah, there's there's people playing this

1755
01:25:02,119 --> 01:25:05,239
like this is a kind of living, breathing band producing

1756
01:25:05,279 --> 01:25:07,359
the sound that feels so much grace than some of

1757
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:08,039
its parts.

1758
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:10,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's not many bangers, you know, but

1759
01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:12,520
there is a when when I like when when him

1760
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,880
and Dotter starts picking up that pace on the drums

1761
01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:16,600
and all these women are start going like oh, it's

1762
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:17,960
like oh shit, boys hitting it.

1763
01:25:18,399 --> 01:25:22,600
Speaker 2: And then and scug Heston like those are the two

1764
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:24,640
for me, And I'm like, you can call these bangers

1765
01:25:24,640 --> 01:25:27,840
comparatively to the album that you know, Hidden dott is

1766
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,039
the women dancing around the fire. Scuston sounds like the

1767
01:25:30,119 --> 01:25:32,680
dudes getting ready to go to war in the Northman,

1768
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:35,720
that kind of moment, Like like, there is one song

1769
01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,560
on this album I dislike and it is Veil Drama,

1770
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:39,560
Like I think it.

1771
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 1: Is just time wasting, which to me that is that

1772
01:25:42,079 --> 01:25:45,479
is like the heart of the album and it.

1773
01:25:47,239 --> 01:25:49,920
Speaker 2: And again I respect the artist, like I don't want

1774
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:52,319
to come as like as a total like Heaven and

1775
01:25:52,319 --> 01:25:56,000
all that, but I respect the artistic integrity behind doing

1776
01:25:56,039 --> 01:25:57,319
a song like that.

1777
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 4: It just it was just not for me.

1778
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:09,279
Speaker 2: We'll say it's funny, but like I don't want like,

1779
01:26:09,359 --> 01:26:11,239
I don't want to be like old Sam's coming about

1780
01:26:11,239 --> 01:26:13,520
the long song again because you know that's just it.

1781
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:18,119
And yet I think I'm just finding a thing about

1782
01:26:18,159 --> 01:26:21,800
this one in just like kind of like you have

1783
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:24,279
to be so locked into what they're doing to even

1784
01:26:24,319 --> 01:26:27,079
register this as and yeah, I.

1785
01:26:27,079 --> 01:26:29,640
Speaker 1: Think in that case it's it's they're uncompromising at what

1786
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:30,880
they're doing, you know they are.

1787
01:26:31,800 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 4: I totally respect that.

1788
01:26:33,079 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and for me it really works. And again, just

1789
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:38,439
going back to someone like Scugar Heston, that's the one

1790
01:26:38,439 --> 01:26:40,159
that has that kind of galloping rhythm that at that

1791
01:26:40,199 --> 01:26:42,479
point is kind of new to the album. And it's like,

1792
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:46,239
not that I would ever manifest something as vulgar and

1793
01:26:46,359 --> 01:26:49,319
bad taste as this, because Wardrina are so much better

1794
01:26:49,399 --> 01:26:51,199
than that. But that's the one song where you could

1795
01:26:51,239 --> 01:26:55,039
imagine some hack YouTuber going mettle cover of this Viking

1796
01:26:55,079 --> 01:26:57,960
folk track, and I was like just thinking, keep Peyton

1797
01:26:58,039 --> 01:27:01,079
Parrish as far away from this is humanly possible, Like

1798
01:27:01,199 --> 01:27:04,119
put a restraining order on him, Yes, if you have to.

1799
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 4: This actually like stands as art compared to all the

1800
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:07,600
shit he does.

1801
01:27:09,119 --> 01:27:11,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, which again is what I think really stands out

1802
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:13,960
by someone like Wardrone is how just like pure in

1803
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,159
its intentions and that it is. And I'm seeing wardroner

1804
01:27:17,159 --> 01:27:19,079
in a couple of months because they're doing a UK tour

1805
01:27:19,119 --> 01:27:22,000
and I'm very excited about it because, aside from the

1806
01:27:22,359 --> 01:27:24,560
slightly knockoff ones that open the bloods Dot main stage

1807
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:26,119
every now and then. I've never seen anything like this

1808
01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:28,560
on this kind of scale, and I think I think

1809
01:27:28,560 --> 01:27:31,319
this record is just like really beautiful and meticulously kind

1810
01:27:31,319 --> 01:27:32,800
of craft. I think they are the best in their

1811
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:37,720
field and genuine just like iconic class for whom you know. Again,

1812
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:39,439
channeling this kind of art for them is just it's

1813
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:40,439
so so serious.

1814
01:27:41,159 --> 01:27:42,399
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean, I'll be honest. They're not a

1815
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:45,920
band I listened to regularly, but I often go through

1816
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:49,439
phases and I don't know how to compare this to

1817
01:27:49,479 --> 01:27:52,079
other Wardrouna records, but I wouldn't know where to begin

1818
01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:54,199
ranking them because they're not the sort of band where

1819
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:55,680
you can like go, oh, I like these I'll put

1820
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:57,159
them on my wardrone A playlist, do you know. I

1821
01:27:57,159 --> 01:27:59,319
mean it's like no, you just you take the album

1822
01:27:59,319 --> 01:28:03,800
as it is. This is up to that standard they've established.

1823
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,159
So next time my month in my Wardrouneer phase, I

1824
01:28:07,159 --> 01:28:08,239
think this will be in the cycle.

1825
01:28:08,720 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 1: Yes, Wardruner. The record is Berner. Next we stay in

1826
01:28:14,119 --> 01:28:16,600
cold and icy lands up north because we are going

1827
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:19,680
to the Halo Effect, who put out a record called

1828
01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:22,560
March of the Unheard. This is the second album, the

1829
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,039
follow up to their twenty twenty two debuts. That's about

1830
01:28:25,039 --> 01:28:26,960
two and a half years ago. This band called a

1831
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:29,159
bit of a stir when they announced their formation and

1832
01:28:29,239 --> 01:28:31,920
debut album, because essentially this is a bunch of Gothenberg

1833
01:28:31,960 --> 01:28:35,520
old hands. The band is fronted by Michael Stanner, who is,

1834
01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:38,359
you know, the longtime singer of Dark Tranquility, but considering

1835
01:28:38,399 --> 01:28:41,800
he sang on the debut in Flames album, technically everyone

1836
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:44,119
in this band has been in in Flames at some point.

1837
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:46,720
It's not quite a lineup that has ever existed in

1838
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,560
Flames history, but about three of them were there during

1839
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:53,159
the Colony Clayman era. And when this band emerged, it

1840
01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:55,800
was a lot of like all finally kind of sized

1841
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:59,159
from people who had been wanting some of these old

1842
01:28:59,279 --> 01:29:02,119
legendary names to tap back into what they are kind

1843
01:29:02,119 --> 01:29:04,560
of primarily known for. And the debut Days of the

1844
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:06,720
Lost came out, and I think generally maybe kind of

1845
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:08,680
went either one of two ways. People either went like

1846
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,039
total heart eyes, this is the best malodic death metal

1847
01:29:11,079 --> 01:29:14,119
album in years, or a shrug of that's fine, it's okay.

1848
01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:17,199
I think there's a middle ground to be had of

1849
01:29:17,239 --> 01:29:21,359
that generation of Scandinavian melodic death metal bands from the

1850
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,479
mid nineties. To be honest, the only one who i'd

1851
01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:27,079
say producing something close to classic workers being at the Gates,

1852
01:29:27,319 --> 01:29:30,079
and they've not done it by going back to Slaughter

1853
01:29:30,119 --> 01:29:32,319
of the Soul. They've gone like darker and weirder and

1854
01:29:32,359 --> 01:29:35,159
more difficult. But in that category, I think something like

1855
01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:38,119
the Halo Effect was better than we'd gotten used to,

1856
01:29:38,359 --> 01:29:40,960
I suppose, which is why it caused such a splash

1857
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:41,479
to begin with.

1858
01:29:43,039 --> 01:29:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember it coming out and I thought it

1859
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,560
was cool. I think it was helped by at the

1860
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,359
time it Flames on the mother of all losing streaks

1861
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:52,880
and like to hear some of those former members get

1862
01:29:52,920 --> 01:29:55,479
together and craft something that felt much more in line

1863
01:29:55,560 --> 01:29:58,920
with that band's glory era, and that Gloria is a

1864
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:03,800
Glori era. The classic in Flames Run is as good

1865
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:07,520
as metal gets. I never really went back to the record,

1866
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:09,800
but I liked it when it came out.

1867
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Shadow Minds, which was the I believe

1868
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,640
of sort of the launching single for the Bound as

1869
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,920
a whole thought it was a really great track if

1870
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:19,239
you're into this kind of like let's call it late

1871
01:30:19,279 --> 01:30:21,600
stage melodic death metal, because it doesn't sound like it

1872
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,279
did in the nineties, but it's clearly guys who were

1873
01:30:24,279 --> 01:30:25,680
doing it in the nineties, you know. It's that sort

1874
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:28,840
of age and feel of that strand the rest of it. Again,

1875
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,920
I don't really recall other parts of that record as strongly,

1876
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:34,800
but it did dependently do the thing. They immediately went

1877
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,359
on the road. I saw them opening a very empty

1878
01:30:37,399 --> 01:30:40,680
arena at that early stage for that Machine Header Monomath tour,

1879
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:42,520
but they were good, you know, and then they quickly

1880
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:45,399
plugged into a second one, which going off you know,

1881
01:30:45,479 --> 01:30:48,439
marchally N heard. I've seen a couple of different opinions

1882
01:30:48,479 --> 01:30:49,800
are like, oh, I wasn't into the debut, but I

1883
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:51,560
like this one more, or the debut is much better

1884
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:53,880
than this one. I'm gonna say that's essentially just noise

1885
01:30:54,119 --> 01:30:57,279
down to like people where they subjectively are in the

1886
01:30:57,279 --> 01:30:59,520
moment one record to another. Because what I get from

1887
01:30:59,560 --> 01:31:02,960
the Second Halo Effect album is a second Halo Effect album.

1888
01:31:03,039 --> 01:31:05,399
It's the band who were formed to tap into this

1889
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:08,840
particular tradition and they've carried on doing that. And I

1890
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,840
think the result largely depends on how much the Halo

1891
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:13,239
Effect as a whole excite you.

1892
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:17,560
Speaker 2: I think this album has really suffered from the fact

1893
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:19,880
that Melo Deaf got really good last year.

1894
01:31:19,960 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: Again between Halo Effect albums, isn't it It's like the

1895
01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:23,960
stand had suddenly risen.

1896
01:31:24,279 --> 01:31:26,039
Speaker 2: I don't think there's much of a gap and quality

1897
01:31:26,039 --> 01:31:28,319
between the two Hall Effect albums. I just listened to

1898
01:31:28,359 --> 01:31:31,039
some get very little from it because I'm like, if

1899
01:31:31,079 --> 01:31:33,359
I want to listen to Melo Deaf now, I'm going

1900
01:31:33,399 --> 01:31:35,880
to stick on that Gatecreeper record or upon Stone.

1901
01:31:36,199 --> 01:31:38,159
Speaker 4: Bands that sound hungry, that sound powerful.

1902
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:40,720
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's the production this album, but

1903
01:31:40,800 --> 01:31:43,600
this is one of the most like weightless mellow Deaf

1904
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,079
albums I can think of. There is no like I

1905
01:31:46,119 --> 01:31:47,359
don't think the song's a bad I think there were

1906
01:31:47,399 --> 01:31:50,159
good songs on here. Detonate I think is like really

1907
01:31:50,159 --> 01:31:52,000
good in the title track. I think they're good songs.

1908
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:54,159
But there are a song about the production that just

1909
01:31:54,199 --> 01:31:58,359
like the big Melow Deaf leads don't actually sound big

1910
01:31:58,399 --> 01:32:02,199
and lift off the vocals so processed like there is

1911
01:32:02,279 --> 01:32:04,680
just some of the some that it just it feels

1912
01:32:04,720 --> 01:32:07,199
like it's I don't easy that that sort of elder

1913
01:32:07,199 --> 01:32:08,680
states and the thing where they're just going to sell

1914
01:32:08,680 --> 01:32:10,039
it in but there's no bite to it.

1915
01:32:10,039 --> 01:32:10,920
Speaker 4: There's no heft to it.

1916
01:32:11,399 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 2: All those things that I loved about, how like at

1917
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:16,640
it that upon Stone album sounded, or how huge and

1918
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:20,239
heavy that Gay Grouper album sounded, I get none of

1919
01:32:20,239 --> 01:32:21,600
that from this, and I'm just kind of left for

1920
01:32:21,640 --> 01:32:23,880
an album that I don't think the songs are particularly bad,

1921
01:32:24,720 --> 01:32:27,319
but I also just feel nothing listening.

1922
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 3: To I feel like we have to start calling melodic

1923
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,720
death metal and mellow death different things, because.

1924
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,600
Speaker 1: Melodic death metal like metallit or a metal core.

1925
01:32:35,720 --> 01:32:38,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's like, you know, you put on that

1926
01:32:38,199 --> 01:32:40,560
Gate Creeper record or the upon Stone, am you go? Oh,

1927
01:32:40,600 --> 01:32:45,760
that's a death metal album in energy and ferocity, and

1928
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:49,399
it's melodic melow death for me now describes that sort

1929
01:32:49,399 --> 01:32:51,720
of halfway house that doesn't really satisfy either. The fact

1930
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:53,960
that there's a review of this record on spotank music

1931
01:32:54,039 --> 01:32:57,119
and the opening line kind of perfectly captures my view

1932
01:32:57,159 --> 01:32:59,560
on the sub genre as it stands to that, and

1933
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:01,800
it's it might be the first genre in the history

1934
01:33:01,800 --> 01:33:06,199
of music to be solved, like it's basically finished. It's

1935
01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:08,680
kind of washed, Like this melow death thing doesn't really

1936
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:10,479
get improved when you can kind of put your own

1937
01:33:10,520 --> 01:33:13,920
twists on it here and there, but you're not going

1938
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:16,640
to make I'm a death metal record that's more like

1939
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:19,520
bang At Tasted than Clayman, more my slaughter of the Soul,

1940
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:23,720
you know whatever, which isn't the stand that I'm holding

1941
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:25,640
the halo effect too, It's not the thing I expect

1942
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:29,199
from them. But you know, I put this on and

1943
01:33:29,239 --> 01:33:32,319
I think, Yep, that's the sound of melow death done

1944
01:33:32,399 --> 01:33:37,199
well by people who have done this before. I'm left

1945
01:33:37,239 --> 01:33:42,279
with almost no impressions after this record ends, I'm left

1946
01:33:42,479 --> 01:33:43,199
with nothing.

1947
01:33:43,920 --> 01:33:46,079
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean I am. I think, you know,

1948
01:33:46,520 --> 01:33:48,560
a melow death as well as the melodic death metal.

1949
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,920
But melow death, I think is an area that I

1950
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:54,239
can maybe more comfortably sit in maybe than either of you,

1951
01:33:54,279 --> 01:33:55,880
just in terms of, like, you know, just just giving

1952
01:33:55,920 --> 01:33:57,880
this stuff and I'll be fine, right. And I think

1953
01:33:58,039 --> 01:34:00,520
a band like this at this stage similarly to again

1954
01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:02,760
any of their peers, of a similar sort of level

1955
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:06,399
of again dark tranquility, soil work, whoever it might be,

1956
01:34:06,760 --> 01:34:09,479
Arch Enemy, whatever, I think there's a level of like

1957
01:34:09,680 --> 01:34:12,319
class around a band like this at this stage that

1958
01:34:12,359 --> 01:34:17,760
I appreciate that does not necessarily translate into like hyper excitement. Well,

1959
01:34:17,920 --> 01:34:20,680
I'm not gonna throw a record on like this if

1960
01:34:20,720 --> 01:34:22,119
I really want my blood pump in, you know, And

1961
01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:24,880
I appreciate if that's what you like want in melodic

1962
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,920
death metal you might tune out, particularly when again, in

1963
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:30,000
the last couple of years between Hall Effect albums, we've

1964
01:34:30,000 --> 01:34:32,319
had the likes of a pond Stone and Gatecreeper who

1965
01:34:32,359 --> 01:34:34,640
do that as a back called Majesties as well, Like

1966
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,199
there has been like we haven't been quite as starved

1967
01:34:37,239 --> 01:34:39,920
for great melodeath bizarrely as we were in the years

1968
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:42,800
proceeding twenty twenty two. But as a fan of a

1969
01:34:42,800 --> 01:34:45,239
bunch of these type bands, I think a lot of

1970
01:34:45,239 --> 01:34:48,720
them have developed that sense of like quite austere class

1971
01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,119
over the years, where like you know, Amorphous have it,

1972
01:34:51,560 --> 01:34:54,359
Cattonia have it at the Gates. Even though they've like

1973
01:34:54,399 --> 01:34:56,359
they've gone harder and darker, they also have that sort

1974
01:34:56,359 --> 01:34:59,680
of level of classiness in their modern guys, And I

1975
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:02,720
think it's nice to hear old hands at this craft.

1976
01:35:03,239 --> 01:35:05,000
I think they're writing a bunch of like really nice

1977
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:07,920
melodies and strong guitar parts in a production job. Again,

1978
01:35:08,399 --> 01:35:10,479
I think it is fine on this. I don't think

1979
01:35:10,479 --> 01:35:12,239
it's a bad production job. It's just kind of a

1980
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:13,920
part of the course of what this kind of music

1981
01:35:13,920 --> 01:35:16,479
has sounded like for the previous you know, like twenty

1982
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:18,279
years prior to a band like a pond Stone going,

1983
01:35:18,279 --> 01:35:20,520
what if this was like really crunchy again?

1984
01:35:20,640 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 3: You know.

1985
01:35:21,279 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 1: I think maybe Shadow Minds is still their best song,

1986
01:35:24,239 --> 01:35:25,720
if I would have one over the other. But the

1987
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:28,039
impression I have between these two albums is largely the same.

1988
01:35:28,199 --> 01:35:30,960
There's a couple of like clear lead off tracks that

1989
01:35:31,039 --> 01:35:33,039
do get me going, and I think are really again strong,

1990
01:35:33,039 --> 01:35:36,239
because these are guys who are proven in this lane.

1991
01:35:36,359 --> 01:35:38,920
As the album progresses, you slip more into a like

1992
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:40,760
we're not really rocking the boat, you know, kind of

1993
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:44,680
rhythm and formula. And I think, you know, even though

1994
01:35:44,680 --> 01:35:46,600
this is you know, it's a new band, these are

1995
01:35:46,680 --> 01:35:49,399
musicians who found their niche long ago and then aged

1996
01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:52,359
into that niche. I think it would be unexpected for

1997
01:35:52,399 --> 01:35:54,760
them to mix up very heavily at that stage.

1998
01:35:55,279 --> 01:35:57,840
Speaker 2: Well, I think this album drops off when they do

1999
01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:00,560
try and really mix up the sort of the interesting,

2000
01:36:00,680 --> 01:36:07,000
the completely lifeless, monotone, clean vocals and so in fairness,

2001
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:09,319
but no, no, but and the symphonic elements that sound

2002
01:36:10,359 --> 01:36:12,760
kind of cheap and don't make the song sound epic

2003
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:14,680
in the way that symp symphonic elements do.

2004
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:16,600
Speaker 4: I think those like the worst moments on there.

2005
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 2: I think, like say, the songs that they are you

2006
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:21,760
know a little bit more blood pumping, even with the

2007
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:24,880
kind of like sanded down edges like decinate like the

2008
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:25,279
Tar Truck.

2009
01:36:25,319 --> 01:36:27,640
Speaker 4: I'm like, cool, this is this is as good as

2010
01:36:27,640 --> 01:36:28,359
I can get from this thing.

2011
01:36:28,399 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you know, like there is you know,

2012
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:34,880
nice guitar parts I like, and that that again as

2013
01:36:35,319 --> 01:36:36,680
fist pumping, and this just sort of gets I'm like

2014
01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:38,239
fine with that. But when they do try and like

2015
01:36:38,239 --> 01:36:40,680
branch out make it a bit like class of Us

2016
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:42,920
of that, I think it just it falls down flat.

2017
01:36:43,239 --> 01:36:44,800
Speaker 3: I think, yeah, you've kind of touched on something there

2018
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:47,760
where when the great moments happen, it's mainly because it

2019
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:50,279
reminds me of the classic moments from the bands they're from.

2020
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:52,840
Like on Our Channel to the Darkner says it's bit

2021
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:55,079
in it where I thought, oh, that's good, and then

2022
01:36:55,119 --> 01:36:58,520
I realized, oh, it's only for the week, or there's

2023
01:36:58,560 --> 01:37:01,560
there's a bunch of times on record where I start

2024
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:03,520
to go, oh, this is actually this is pretty good,

2025
01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:05,319
and then and then I just go, well, I feel

2026
01:37:05,359 --> 01:37:07,000
like that's on Colony or I feel like I'm listening

2027
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:08,279
to Horror coord you know what I mean. It's like

2028
01:37:09,399 --> 01:37:11,359
and I love those records, so it's not a disaster,

2029
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:13,560
but it feels a bit like a cheat code.

2030
01:37:14,520 --> 01:37:16,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are several guitar lines. I don't know if

2031
01:37:17,000 --> 01:37:18,880
we're even thinking of the same ones. I think it

2032
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:20,319
might be a thing where I don't know if it

2033
01:37:20,319 --> 01:37:23,640
actually is directly derivative in that way or just the

2034
01:37:23,680 --> 01:37:27,119
general vibe is so specific that our brains make the

2035
01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:29,439
jump to those connections. But there are several points where

2036
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:31,960
I go, I'm sure that's an old Inflame song, you

2037
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:35,000
know the ones I like, you know, when they most

2038
01:37:35,079 --> 01:37:37,199
hit it, they do light me up a bit. I

2039
01:37:37,239 --> 01:37:39,640
readly like the opening track and Inspire to Deceive, which

2040
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:41,399
I don't think was one of the advanced singles, but

2041
01:37:41,439 --> 01:37:44,000
it's very well picked as a as a kickoff, and

2042
01:37:44,039 --> 01:37:46,199
it is. I know, that's that's that's Yespa. You know,

2043
01:37:46,199 --> 01:37:47,920
like he wrote Colony and the Gesta Race, he can

2044
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:50,399
do those like acrobatic leads and they're great in there.

2045
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:54,760
Even though it's not the most like again crunchiest, most

2046
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,279
biting thing ever, I think there is a wind in

2047
01:37:57,319 --> 01:37:59,119
the sales and a life behind them when they do

2048
01:37:59,199 --> 01:38:01,039
get it most going on tracks like again you've mentioned

2049
01:38:01,079 --> 01:38:03,479
Detonate Sam. I agree when that one, like the drums

2050
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,119
really just start walloping really great, and I think again

2051
01:38:06,319 --> 01:38:10,119
the lead guitars in that when on the the we

2052
01:38:10,199 --> 01:38:12,880
just close our eyes like pre chorus part. It's uplifting

2053
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:14,520
and it kind of warms the cockles of my heart

2054
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:16,560
because this stuff is kind of in built into my DNA,

2055
01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:16,840
you know.

2056
01:38:17,039 --> 01:38:19,560
Speaker 2: I do again think the production kind of muted a

2057
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:21,319
little bit, but I can see the quality in that

2058
01:38:21,359 --> 01:38:23,239
guitar line, and there's just the kind of like I go, no,

2059
01:38:23,359 --> 01:38:24,840
I know that's a good guitar part.

2060
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:26,279
Speaker 4: Production be damned, like yeah.

2061
01:38:26,319 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: And another one I think is again right at the

2062
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,640
top drawer of what they're doing, is cruel perception, which

2063
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:32,960
for me has this very like uh kind of like

2064
01:38:33,000 --> 01:38:36,640
Michael Amor in arch Enemies prime type lead melody that's

2065
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:40,479
sort of immediately win swept and I'm air grabbing. I'm

2066
01:38:40,479 --> 01:38:42,359
pushing through that darkness that they wanted me to do.

2067
01:38:43,159 --> 01:38:44,680
It's not like we've had tons so far, but I

2068
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:46,279
think that's probably one of the best songs I've heard

2069
01:38:46,279 --> 01:38:48,000
in the last month, you know, of the beginning of

2070
01:38:48,039 --> 01:38:50,760
this year. And I think between you know, the opening

2071
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:52,600
track and then the ones that they've selected as singles

2072
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:54,800
and so on, they do seem to quite well. I

2073
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:57,039
don't know gauged which ones are the ones that have

2074
01:38:57,119 --> 01:38:59,680
the most kind of magic in them. And back when

2075
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:01,640
I was like, you know, sixteen, and I was getting

2076
01:39:01,720 --> 01:39:04,720
into the bands that you might call more mellow death

2077
01:39:04,720 --> 01:39:08,279
than melodic death metal, you know, your Omnium, Gatherums, insomnium whatever,

2078
01:39:09,119 --> 01:39:11,279
you know, melodic and flighty but also pretty clean. This

2079
01:39:11,319 --> 01:39:14,159
would have fit in, you know, just well. And I do.

2080
01:39:14,800 --> 01:39:16,680
I like that, and I do find at least within

2081
01:39:16,720 --> 01:39:20,159
what they're doing, the engine does go at points where

2082
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:22,720
like our Channel to the Darkness is another one's quite

2083
01:39:22,800 --> 01:39:27,640
quite thrashy as well. Fundamentally, you know, a twelve track

2084
01:39:27,680 --> 01:39:30,199
album from a bunch of musicians more than thirty years

2085
01:39:30,239 --> 01:39:33,079
into their careers who seem to you know, largely have

2086
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:35,159
variations on the same trick. And this band was kind

2087
01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:37,640
of formed to specifically dial into a certain trick that

2088
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:39,720
you had maybe moved away from in their other bands.

2089
01:39:40,159 --> 01:39:42,000
There is going to be a point where it exhausts itself.

2090
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,399
And while I'm totally down with the trick, I would

2091
01:39:44,399 --> 01:39:47,239
say it's, you know, not at all unexpected that this

2092
01:39:47,279 --> 01:39:52,960
album eventually halfway through or whatever kind of reaches that points.

2093
01:39:53,159 --> 01:39:55,800
I just I like the leads, you know, but they're

2094
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:57,479
largely kind of the same thing. I think it's the

2095
01:39:57,520 --> 01:39:59,600
couple of standouts, like your choral perceptions and so on,

2096
01:39:59,640 --> 01:40:03,119
that that hit it. I'm you know, when I listen

2097
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:05,640
to this record, I'm wrapped in my little Melodath blanket.

2098
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:07,359
I feel like I'm safe and no one's going to

2099
01:40:07,399 --> 01:40:10,880
pop that. You know. It's I like that, but my

2100
01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:16,319
attention is not like really intently held because it is

2101
01:40:17,399 --> 01:40:18,960
essentially for the reason that both of you guys have

2102
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:20,800
have pointed out.

2103
01:40:22,399 --> 01:40:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I it doesn't really do anything wrong.

2104
01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:28,560
You know, it's forty five minutes long, twelve songs. I

2105
01:40:28,600 --> 01:40:33,199
don't think it wildly outstays. It's welcome, but it like

2106
01:40:33,399 --> 01:40:35,960
even the last in Flames record, which felt like a

2107
01:40:36,039 --> 01:40:37,640
something of a return to form, there was stuff and

2108
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:40,479
the wre you go oh cut that like that's not great, lads,

2109
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:44,479
there's nothing that bad on this record, but that kind

2110
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:47,359
of leaves us without something to talk about, like, yeah,

2111
01:40:47,359 --> 01:40:51,840
I mean sorry you were Well, it's just like these

2112
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,760
guys still still clearly have their chops, and I'd probably

2113
01:40:54,760 --> 01:40:58,199
say it's this in the last record or are as good,

2114
01:40:58,199 --> 01:40:59,960
if not better than anything in Flames have done since,

2115
01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:02,399
maybe a sense of purpose. And I'm not personally a

2116
01:41:02,439 --> 01:41:04,359
Dark Tran quality fans. I wouldn't know when their last

2117
01:41:04,439 --> 01:41:09,079
really good record was, but you know, not great, not terrible.

2118
01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:12,199
If it feels very this is almost like the definition

2119
01:41:12,399 --> 01:41:14,079
of a six out of ten metal record.

2120
01:41:14,079 --> 01:41:14,319
Speaker 1: For me.

2121
01:41:14,399 --> 01:41:19,800
Speaker 3: It's totally serviceable, very proficient, very proficient. Nothing I'm going

2122
01:41:19,880 --> 01:41:21,840
to be returning to in two or three months time.

2123
01:41:22,399 --> 01:41:24,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't even necessarily mind the clean

2124
01:41:24,319 --> 01:41:27,199
vocals that much because I think it's different to Again,

2125
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:29,960
I want to avoid just ragging on in Flames all

2126
01:41:29,960 --> 01:41:31,880
the time when you're reviewing the Halo Effect because feels cheap,

2127
01:41:31,880 --> 01:41:33,560
but it's also the obvious thing to do because they're

2128
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:38,119
literally like the spin off members. But when Anders hits

2129
01:41:38,119 --> 01:41:41,159
the cleans in the worst in Flames stuff and he

2130
01:41:41,279 --> 01:41:42,960
sounds more like he's drawing on that kind of like

2131
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,279
angsty radio post hardcore thing. Michael is not doing that.

2132
01:41:46,279 --> 01:41:47,840
He's not coming from that tradition. He's got more of

2133
01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:50,279
that like, you know, sort of mid range smooth again,

2134
01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:53,560
like Swedish progressive metal ow with a glass of ye

2135
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:57,399
type thing that I totally get why someone might be

2136
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:59,159
turned off from that, because it does sap away from,

2137
01:41:59,159 --> 01:42:00,880
like again the aggression in the intensity of the music,

2138
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,079
but it doesn't hit me in the wrong way in

2139
01:42:03,079 --> 01:42:05,199
the way for example, bad Inflames choruses do, so I'm

2140
01:42:05,239 --> 01:42:08,520
kind of okay with them, but that is kind of

2141
01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:10,720
you know, it's the main trick that they throw in

2142
01:42:10,760 --> 01:42:12,800
at the backstages to go here. It is something else,

2143
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:15,840
you know, Yeah, it is is not an album that

2144
01:42:15,880 --> 01:42:18,600
I will be likely thinking about much as the year

2145
01:42:18,680 --> 01:42:22,680
really gets into swing, but in a particularly dead January,

2146
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:24,720
I think especially again, this record came out in like

2147
01:42:24,760 --> 01:42:26,920
the one of the first two release weeks of the year,

2148
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:28,760
and there was like nothing when this came out. It

2149
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:30,960
was like, ah, the first race of the year that

2150
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:32,640
I can you know, I can trust that we are

2151
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:36,600
in reliable hands and I'm gonna like this well enough

2152
01:42:36,600 --> 01:42:37,760
and I think, you know, again, this is now the

2153
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:41,560
second hal Effect album, unless they like really hit on

2154
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:45,920
some particular vein of extreme quality, or it's just super

2155
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:47,439
dead again like it is right now. We might not

2156
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:49,800
necessarily need to like come in and do full length

2157
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:52,119
reviews of like every Halo Effect album now, because you know,

2158
01:42:52,119 --> 01:42:55,199
they've got their thing. It's quite self explanatory. But I

2159
01:42:55,239 --> 01:42:58,159
do think, you know, I think demanding them to be

2160
01:42:58,199 --> 01:43:01,079
operating at the high standards of in Flames circa ninety

2161
01:43:01,079 --> 01:43:03,760
four through two thousand is you know, setting yourself up

2162
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,520
for a fall. It's just quite nice to hear them

2163
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:09,479
channeling that stuff to like a respectable level. The way

2164
01:43:09,479 --> 01:43:11,479
I look at it is like, is if in Flames

2165
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:16,399
are your favorite band, like your number one, but you

2166
01:43:16,520 --> 01:43:19,840
have been frustrated by their later material and you have

2167
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:22,479
to kind of segregate it that bit more. The Halo

2168
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:26,000
Effect is a little bit like if in Flames had

2169
01:43:26,039 --> 01:43:28,000
been one of those bands who just sort of settled

2170
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:31,079
into being quite good at the thing. It's like an

2171
01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:33,720
alternate path of like, yeah, I can take that, you know,

2172
01:43:34,039 --> 01:43:36,760
like they're not rehevnit in the wheel, but you can

2173
01:43:36,800 --> 01:43:39,039
at least expect them to be delivering something that feels

2174
01:43:39,079 --> 01:43:41,159
true to that band that you fell in love with.

2175
01:43:42,319 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like you say, I think if this

2176
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,279
was as much as it feels harsh and cheap to

2177
01:43:47,319 --> 01:43:50,359
keep comparing to it in Flames. On the other hand,

2178
01:43:50,399 --> 01:43:53,119
if this was a new band with no one from

2179
01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:57,760
in Flames in it, we probably wouldn't be talking about it,

2180
01:43:57,800 --> 01:44:01,039
And if in Flames were brilliant, people might still not care.

2181
01:44:01,239 --> 01:44:03,680
Do you know what I mean? But I take it

2182
01:44:03,720 --> 01:44:08,279
that if you love in Flames and you've been hurt

2183
01:44:08,319 --> 01:44:10,520
by the last decade or sort of in Flames output,

2184
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:15,039
I can imagine, you know, embracing this. I think I'm

2185
01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:17,680
kind of to move myself from this somewhat because it's

2186
01:44:17,720 --> 01:44:20,520
not really my personal sound, But if it was, I

2187
01:44:20,560 --> 01:44:22,920
can totally see why people connect with this the way

2188
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:23,199
they do.

2189
01:44:24,359 --> 01:44:28,039
Speaker 1: Yes, So we are going to move now further underground.

2190
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:30,039
We're going to move to a different portion of Europe

2191
01:44:30,279 --> 01:44:32,199
as well. We're going to talk about a band called

2192
01:44:32,239 --> 01:44:35,560
the Great Old Ones and a record called Cadath. If

2193
01:44:35,600 --> 01:44:37,520
you don't know, let me teach you all about the

2194
01:44:37,720 --> 01:44:39,760
Great Old Ones, which sounds like a very scary sentence.

2195
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:41,840
If I wasn't talking about a band. The Great Old

2196
01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:45,159
Ones are a French black metal band who you may

2197
01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:49,079
recognize their name, drawing basically all of their inspiration from

2198
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:54,399
the HP Lovecraft missofs. Lovecraft is such a staple presence

2199
01:44:54,439 --> 01:44:59,760
within the metal scene, ever green you know, lyrical inspiration,

2200
01:45:00,319 --> 01:45:02,760
but it is a select few bands who go quite

2201
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:04,520
as far as the Great Old Ones do with it,

2202
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:07,920
where their entire thing is to just be like as

2203
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:12,479
authentically love Cruftian as they can, both lyrically in you know,

2204
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:15,439
all of their albums focus on specific Lovecraft stories, but

2205
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:18,399
also musically in conjuring up this kind of like you know,

2206
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:23,279
this suffocating hugeness within their rifts. And even though they're

2207
01:45:23,319 --> 01:45:25,000
not really part of the same sub genre, I would

2208
01:45:25,000 --> 01:45:27,079
say like an obvious parallel to my mind is someone

2209
01:45:27,119 --> 01:45:31,119
like ahab in following a very specific like literature through

2210
01:45:31,159 --> 01:45:33,560
line album to album and then also in their music

2211
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:37,880
that particular like maritime destruction and desolation and so on,

2212
01:45:38,319 --> 01:45:40,880
and in the process, like them, they've kind of gone

2213
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:44,439
the route of like creating and perfecting their own niche,

2214
01:45:44,520 --> 01:45:47,760
like they are the kings of their own small adopted

2215
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:50,800
little hallmark. And I'm a big, big fan. This was

2216
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:53,079
the first extreme release this year that I was like

2217
01:45:53,119 --> 01:45:55,000
really looking forward to. I think every one of their

2218
01:45:55,000 --> 01:45:58,720
records has been great. Their twenty fourteen album Takilli Lee.

2219
01:45:59,039 --> 01:46:01,640
Despite the joke that adopted they're like, oh, Perron put

2220
01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:05,039
eighteen million extreme metal records into the twenty fourteen special.

2221
01:46:06,560 --> 01:46:08,960
But this is the kind of album that like would

2222
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:11,960
have warranted a good half hour of discussion, and we

2223
01:46:12,039 --> 01:46:14,119
only could give it like a minute or two in

2224
01:46:14,159 --> 01:46:15,920
that special because we had to be real ruthless in

2225
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:20,560
that thing. But that record is like a semi masterpiece

2226
01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:22,640
of the style that they are carving out. I also

2227
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:24,479
really love the follow up that one EOD, But they

2228
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:27,079
are all good, Elliott, because we were so brief and

2229
01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:29,680
really flying on that twenty fourteen special, remind me, have

2230
01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:32,119
you any you know similar reverence for the great old

2231
01:46:32,119 --> 01:46:34,159
ones again, the way that we were able to unite

2232
01:46:34,199 --> 01:46:35,119
on something like an Ahab.

2233
01:46:35,680 --> 01:46:38,560
Speaker 3: I have an immense reverence for that record you're talking about.

2234
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:42,199
That's when I got into them, and I thought it

2235
01:46:42,279 --> 01:46:46,239
was fantastic, And then I've done an absolutely disastrous job

2236
01:46:46,359 --> 01:46:49,119
of following them because for some reason, their fields never

2237
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:52,560
their records never crossed my field of vision. And I

2238
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:55,560
didn't make the necessary effort to seek they at least

2239
01:46:55,560 --> 01:46:58,800
anything new. So when this came up, I thought this

2240
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:03,359
was their first album and eleven year and then you've

2241
01:47:03,399 --> 01:47:03,880
been a badge.

2242
01:47:03,880 --> 01:47:05,159
Speaker 4: You've you've been a real band.

2243
01:47:05,239 --> 01:47:09,039
Speaker 3: And to be honest, without jumping the gun, if it

2244
01:47:09,159 --> 01:47:11,079
was the first time in eleven years, that would be

2245
01:47:11,079 --> 01:47:14,640
fine too, because this band are brilliant and this thing

2246
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:15,159
is brilliant.

2247
01:47:16,119 --> 01:47:17,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, just I don't know, if you've gone

2248
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:19,920
back a list of the other ones in between those two,

2249
01:47:20,359 --> 01:47:22,159
they're both like as good as this one, you know.

2250
01:47:22,199 --> 01:47:23,680
It's it's just they're one of those bands, that's what

2251
01:47:23,720 --> 01:47:28,239
they do. This record adapts the Lovecraft story The dream

2252
01:47:28,359 --> 01:47:31,840
Quest of Unknown Cadath, which I dusted off my tone

2253
01:47:32,159 --> 01:47:34,199
of Lovecraft from the shelf to you know, align with

2254
01:47:34,199 --> 01:47:37,760
this record, and that story is nuts. It's Lovecraft at

2255
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:40,680
his most like kind of daft and psychedelic, which is

2256
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:43,640
it's all to do with dreams and traveling through dreams,

2257
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:45,880
and he populates it with all sorts of like like

2258
01:47:46,359 --> 01:47:49,600
zanier than you would usually think with Lovecraft sort of stuff,

2259
01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:52,960
like there's like cat people and mushroom forests and the

2260
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:55,279
main character writes a zebra and all the sort of

2261
01:47:55,279 --> 01:47:58,640
like fanciful trippiness and the Great Old Ones, it's not

2262
01:47:58,720 --> 01:48:00,520
really in their style to go full sort of like

2263
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:03,479
dadaists like that, although there is on the cover of

2264
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:05,920
this record, now that I've mentioned that the guy's riding

2265
01:48:05,960 --> 01:48:08,680
a zebra, you can spot that in there. They've just

2266
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:11,159
like very well honed it into their sort of black

2267
01:48:11,199 --> 01:48:14,119
mettally looking imagery. And there's a big multi voice choir

2268
01:48:14,159 --> 01:48:15,960
on one song that talks about a legion of cats.

2269
01:48:16,520 --> 01:48:18,640
But you know, obviously what they've tried to do is

2270
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:20,439
they tried to achieve that kind of you know, cosmic

2271
01:48:20,479 --> 01:48:23,960
trippiness and horror in a record like this. And I

2272
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:25,279
think the Great Old Ones they're kind of in a

2273
01:48:25,399 --> 01:48:28,640
nice spot because they're on a sort of spectrum in

2274
01:48:28,640 --> 01:48:32,079
black metal that includes some really out there things like

2275
01:48:32,119 --> 01:48:35,119
when you move into the avant garde end and you

2276
01:48:35,159 --> 01:48:37,520
reach bands like Bluetouse Nord and that kind of school

2277
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:40,760
of trippiness. There's elements of that in the Great ol

2278
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:43,319
Ones music. But compared to that, I think they are

2279
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:47,520
they're much more accessible because they're riffy and they're heavy.

2280
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:50,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I would just come in and say

2281
01:48:50,720 --> 01:48:53,760
way more accessible. I had a fucking great time with this.

2282
01:48:54,079 --> 01:48:56,399
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I thought this could go one of either

2283
01:48:56,439 --> 01:48:56,840
two days.

2284
01:48:57,119 --> 01:48:59,159
Speaker 2: What I saw was like seventy three minute song and

2285
01:48:59,159 --> 01:49:00,359
I was like, ah, for Fox ape.

2286
01:49:00,199 --> 01:49:01,199
Speaker 4: Pair, you've done this again.

2287
01:49:01,239 --> 01:49:03,520
Speaker 1: To me, it's about an hour of the record.

2288
01:49:03,800 --> 01:49:08,039
Speaker 2: Oh this is the Bone track anyway? Well cool, No,

2289
01:49:08,199 --> 01:49:10,359
this is great. This is so good and because and

2290
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:14,840
again it's because kind of like like they have everyone

2291
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:16,439
bloody goal with that. This is a lot more kind

2292
01:49:16,439 --> 01:49:17,880
of like at it than the I have record. It

2293
01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:21,159
is kind of but what this is me, I was like, Oh,

2294
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:27,039
this is Lovecraftian horror black metal. It is so fucking

2295
01:49:27,079 --> 01:49:31,239
good at realizing the concept through just kind of like

2296
01:49:32,279 --> 01:49:34,239
these songs that kind of blast you with these like

2297
01:49:34,279 --> 01:49:37,880
dizzey barrages of rifts and like horrid screams, and then

2298
01:49:38,079 --> 01:49:40,039
as each song goes it just kind of gets more

2299
01:49:40,079 --> 01:49:43,359
of a worldly and mad and you are just descending that.

2300
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:46,079
Like first half of the track is the first half

2301
01:49:46,119 --> 01:49:48,199
of the opening track is like a demented thrill ride,

2302
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:51,840
and then it gets like collapses in itself and then

2303
01:49:51,880 --> 01:49:54,880
it comes back feeling like dangerously insane, where the riffs,

2304
01:49:55,239 --> 01:49:57,520
they're more jagged. There's there's kind of like there was

2305
01:49:57,760 --> 01:49:59,159
a bit of a mologic lyft in the first half

2306
01:49:59,199 --> 01:50:02,119
the song that's gone now and it's just chaos and

2307
01:50:03,159 --> 01:50:08,760
like building this like cosmic epic conclusion. I was like, I'm, i'm, I'm,

2308
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:10,600
I'm in the world of the album. I'm not familiar

2309
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:13,800
with that particular Lovecraft story. Lovecraft's kind of more just

2310
01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,920
like Lovecraft adaptations and like kind of things that kind

2311
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:17,600
of borrow what.

2312
01:50:17,479 --> 01:50:19,359
Speaker 1: It's worth you. You don't need to read the story

2313
01:50:19,359 --> 01:50:21,079
to understand the record. I just did that, yecause.

2314
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:25,880
Speaker 2: But I just think anything that kind of borrows Lovecraft

2315
01:50:25,880 --> 01:50:27,720
and half I think it's such a great like the

2316
01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:30,239
whole unknowable. If you find out what this thing is,

2317
01:50:30,279 --> 01:50:32,079
it will drive you insane. I mean, there's a song

2318
01:50:32,119 --> 01:50:33,880
called fucking in the mouth of Madness. I'm like, yeah,

2319
01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:37,479
fucking let's go. But yeah, this this song all of

2320
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:40,079
like how vast and epic and long it is.

2321
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:43,560
Speaker 4: I was locked into this album the entire time.

2322
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:49,119
Speaker 3: As far as bands capturing the aura of writers or

2323
01:50:49,159 --> 01:50:52,079
text something inspire them, there aren't many better cases than

2324
01:50:52,079 --> 01:50:55,279
great Omens and HP Lovecraft, Like this whole thing sounds

2325
01:50:55,640 --> 01:50:59,640
gigantic and strange, which is sort of the the point

2326
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:02,600
of any of his stories, exactly like you want it

2327
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:06,239
to sound larger than life itself and something that's almost

2328
01:51:06,279 --> 01:51:08,279
impossible to get your head around. And from that, from

2329
01:51:08,319 --> 01:51:12,479
that perspective, the sonic storytelling is basically unrivaled. But like

2330
01:51:12,520 --> 01:51:16,840
you say, it's not just abstract and trippy to the

2331
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:21,079
point of incomprehension. They're able to drag you into their

2332
01:51:21,079 --> 01:51:23,640
world the way that Enslaved got so good at doing

2333
01:51:23,920 --> 01:51:26,560
in the mid twenty to the early twenty tens. Like

2334
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:29,479
there's riffs on here that are so catchy and musical

2335
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:33,960
motifs that borrow into your psyche in a way where

2336
01:51:35,159 --> 01:51:37,279
other bands just wouldn't even attempt. They just try and

2337
01:51:37,279 --> 01:51:41,319
make it ethereal and incomprehensible, just to dizzy you. They

2338
01:51:41,359 --> 01:51:43,640
managed to do that, but you can follow each trick

2339
01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:44,479
where it's going.

2340
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:47,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think technically you could maybe call them a

2341
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:50,720
post black metal band, But rather than like the shoegazy

2342
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:53,560
like outset Death Eavans side of thing, we're talking more

2343
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:57,319
like a thick miory influence from Isis and Cult of

2344
01:51:57,399 --> 01:52:00,560
Lunar type of post black metal. So in terms of like,

2345
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:01,840
you know, if you're a newcomer coming in here in

2346
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:06,119
this we're talking about you know, long winding, progressive kind

2347
01:52:06,119 --> 01:52:09,079
of structures. But I think if you're down with bands

2348
01:52:09,079 --> 01:52:10,720
like The Cold of Lunar or The Ocean or whatever,

2349
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:13,520
and you're able to connect that to a more black

2350
01:52:13,520 --> 01:52:15,960
metal mindset and start of everything, that you could follow this

2351
01:52:16,079 --> 01:52:19,279
where again, like the proper weirdo black metal stuff might

2352
01:52:19,319 --> 01:52:20,920
be a stretch, but if you are, you know, for example,

2353
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:23,760
one of our listeners who doesn't really know or like

2354
01:52:23,880 --> 01:52:25,279
much black metal, but you are like a Cult of

2355
01:52:25,319 --> 01:52:26,960
Lunar fan, for example, this is a band that I'll

2356
01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:28,760
go maybe try try this one out, because I think

2357
01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:32,079
they are I look at them as a really good

2358
01:52:32,079 --> 01:52:34,640
example of like a modern black metal band where it's

2359
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:38,479
super black metal in vibe, but it's not like overly

2360
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:41,359
beholden to standards of the nineties or whatever. It's not

2361
01:52:41,399 --> 01:52:43,920
traditionalist in that way, and I think they have some

2362
01:52:44,039 --> 01:52:47,000
of the best sounding contemporary black metal as a result,

2363
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:51,560
where it's it's equal part sort of gargantuan and atmospheric

2364
01:52:51,600 --> 01:52:54,239
and transportative, but also like really crunchy and brutal and

2365
01:52:54,279 --> 01:52:57,079
that first track, you know, the Dreamer opens with a

2366
01:52:57,199 --> 01:52:59,960
cadaff call and they're just like this fully you know,

2367
01:53:00,039 --> 01:53:02,880
you're riding your zebra into the horizon, you know, on

2368
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:05,880
a proper like metal riff in a way that you

2369
01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:08,399
might if you're going into thinking like, oh, trippy, cosmic

2370
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:10,000
black metal, and you might not expect it to just

2371
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:12,119
like wallop you like that, like like against Sam. I

2372
01:53:12,159 --> 01:53:14,960
bet you were expecting some horror show dot hins guard

2373
01:53:15,000 --> 01:53:17,079
type thing. Yeah, for these guys fucking rock.

2374
01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:19,319
Speaker 2: The moment I fell in love this album is about

2375
01:53:19,319 --> 01:53:22,159
five and a half minutes into those from Olfar. It

2376
01:53:22,319 --> 01:53:25,399
just locks into a motherfucker of a groove it does

2377
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:28,119
that is so sick, and I'm it comes out there

2378
01:53:28,279 --> 01:53:31,479
like weird discording melodic part that's like weird and creepy,

2379
01:53:32,039 --> 01:53:34,239
and then this groove hits and I was like, ah,

2380
01:53:34,479 --> 01:53:37,000
fuck yeah, and then the blast meets going. I'm like,

2381
01:53:37,039 --> 01:53:40,239
this is fucking sick. I don't care like and having

2382
01:53:40,279 --> 01:53:42,319
those kind of moments in there along with all of

2383
01:53:42,359 --> 01:53:45,199
the weird shit just made it such a fucking brilliant

2384
01:53:45,239 --> 01:53:47,159
hip to go on. I mean, there is again a

2385
01:53:47,199 --> 01:53:49,840
song in the middle of this length is a fifteen

2386
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:52,840
minute instrumental, and at no point I go, oh, this

2387
01:53:52,920 --> 01:53:53,399
is an instrument.

2388
01:53:53,479 --> 01:53:56,760
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, that's the point I'm worried about.

2389
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:58,520
That's the part I thought that would lose you.

2390
01:53:59,800 --> 01:54:01,359
Speaker 4: Like when it got to a hard field, I was like,

2391
01:54:01,359 --> 01:54:02,239
the box ever come in yet?

2392
01:54:02,279 --> 01:54:05,159
Speaker 2: And I was like, I'm just digging this because each

2393
01:54:05,560 --> 01:54:08,439
new part of that, like because it's not a slow burn,

2394
01:54:09,279 --> 01:54:12,720
it's fucking straight in there without rumbling drum beat propelling

2395
01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:15,680
you in. It's it's immedia and it's just doing loads

2396
01:54:15,680 --> 01:54:18,000
of crazy shit over fifteen minutes without any vocals, And

2397
01:54:18,039 --> 01:54:20,199
I'm like, the highest come I can give it is

2398
01:54:20,199 --> 01:54:21,680
that I just didn't care that this was a fifteen

2399
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:23,880
minute in to rental truck because I was so in

2400
01:54:23,920 --> 01:54:27,199
the zone. And I think they did the legwork on

2401
01:54:27,239 --> 01:54:29,920
the songs beforehand to make to immerse me in the world.

2402
01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:32,079
So when you get you know, the gathering as this

2403
01:54:32,159 --> 01:54:35,399
kind of like moment of like grief calm before you

2404
01:54:35,600 --> 01:54:39,600
get this gargantuaine epic instrumental, I'm just so immersed in

2405
01:54:39,640 --> 01:54:40,079
it that I.

2406
01:54:40,079 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 4: Was so down for whatever trick they took me on.

2407
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:46,119
Speaker 2: And then you know that answer, you get that peak

2408
01:54:46,159 --> 01:54:49,319
Lovecraft in spoken word stuff going into astrovoid, and it's

2409
01:54:49,359 --> 01:54:51,039
all just taking all the right beats for me for

2410
01:54:51,119 --> 01:54:54,039
what I want from anything themed on lovecrafting and horror.

2411
01:54:54,680 --> 01:54:58,159
Speaker 3: I mean, the force of this record is something to behold.

2412
01:54:58,239 --> 01:55:01,239
Like so much black metal, it can be great for

2413
01:55:01,279 --> 01:55:06,359
this is like Frosty Tremolo based, really treborly. It's all

2414
01:55:06,399 --> 01:55:09,479
in the high end. The base tone on this record

2415
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:13,680
is it sounds like an anaconda being sick. It's just

2416
01:55:13,760 --> 01:55:20,159
like the most ruising, lumpen thing, and yet yeah, it's alive.

2417
01:55:20,399 --> 01:55:23,479
It sounds like it's breathing. It's again that In fact,

2418
01:55:23,800 --> 01:55:26,840
I couldn't get into Lovecraft for many years, as it

2419
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:28,840
was one of those references that loads of bands are

2420
01:55:28,880 --> 01:55:30,800
like loads of writers would mention, and then I tried

2421
01:55:30,840 --> 01:55:34,079
to read the stories and that whole cosmic horror thing.

2422
01:55:34,600 --> 01:55:36,199
I really struggled to get my head around the fact

2423
01:55:36,199 --> 01:55:37,319
that he wouldn't actually.

2424
01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:39,039
Speaker 1: Just the writing is hard work. Well, that was it.

2425
01:55:39,039 --> 01:55:41,399
Speaker 3: And it was also just the fact that for years

2426
01:55:41,399 --> 01:55:42,960
it just felt like he was going, oh mate, this thing,

2427
01:55:43,000 --> 01:55:44,840
it's it's massive. How massive on.

2428
01:55:46,640 --> 01:55:47,319
Speaker 1: You seen it?

2429
01:55:47,880 --> 01:55:49,840
Speaker 3: Couldn't I can't tell you, what does it look like.

2430
01:55:50,920 --> 01:55:54,399
I wouldn't even know. It's high man, just crazy. It's like,

2431
01:55:54,479 --> 01:55:57,399
fucking hell, can't set You've got two pages explain the

2432
01:55:57,439 --> 01:56:00,560
thing to me. And then when I finally got into

2433
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:02,359
and I've got and I went back to that great

2434
01:56:02,359 --> 01:56:05,079
old One's record and thought, okay, yeah it makes sense now,

2435
01:56:05,359 --> 01:56:08,279
and going back to this it captures why that stuff

2436
01:56:08,359 --> 01:56:11,560
is scary. But under the sign of cough it rocks.

2437
01:56:12,359 --> 01:56:14,680
But it's got this uneasy shuffle to it. It's like

2438
01:56:14,720 --> 01:56:18,000
going down uneven stairs into some dungeon full of rats.

2439
01:56:18,159 --> 01:56:21,960
It's just the I keep saying about the world building.

2440
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:26,520
It evokes that feeling his books too peerlessly.

2441
01:56:27,279 --> 01:56:29,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it. It does not fuck about in

2442
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:31,920
terms of like dragging you down into this world in

2443
01:56:31,920 --> 01:56:36,800
this narrative. But then they like meter the really twisted

2444
01:56:36,840 --> 01:56:39,199
parts quite well over the course of a song, where

2445
01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:42,000
again that that first track really like immediately comes at you.

2446
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:45,039
It's got like beatdowns and shit. But then when it

2447
01:56:45,079 --> 01:56:47,119
moves into those like kind of really dissonant stuff getting

2448
01:56:47,159 --> 01:56:49,359
kind passages, it's like it's it's brought you in first,

2449
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:53,359
you know. And again melodically they'll do the enormous tremolo

2450
01:56:53,479 --> 01:56:56,159
type leads, but they feel more like these kind of

2451
01:56:57,079 --> 01:57:00,960
siren songs more than the icy tip of call Nordic stuff,

2452
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:02,920
like they are coming from some kind of deep well

2453
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:05,279
beneath you. Where the conclusion of that first track is

2454
01:57:05,279 --> 01:57:08,319
is sensational. I really I love again the way that

2455
01:57:08,359 --> 01:57:12,199
the melody kind of leading the way on in the

2456
01:57:12,199 --> 01:57:13,880
mouth of madness.

2457
01:57:13,239 --> 01:57:14,439
Speaker 3: Just like stomps on you.

2458
01:57:14,479 --> 01:57:18,600
Speaker 1: I find them like really stirring, and they are able

2459
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:19,920
to mix all these things together in a way that

2460
01:57:19,960 --> 01:57:23,760
does sound like phenomenally huge, almost like in the beginning

2461
01:57:23,760 --> 01:57:26,680
of those from All Far, it's almost like mirage like

2462
01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:29,960
of kind of swimming and shimmering before your eyes. I

2463
01:57:29,960 --> 01:57:31,479
think they're one of the best bands in their field

2464
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:34,920
at creating that kind of like sort of mind's eye quality,

2465
01:57:35,119 --> 01:57:37,960
but they do it while also keeping it like pretty metal,

2466
01:57:38,079 --> 01:57:39,560
you know, Like there's a riff in the second half

2467
01:57:39,560 --> 01:57:40,520
of that song. I think it might be the one

2468
01:57:40,520 --> 01:57:42,720
you're talking about, Sam, that is just like horns up,

2469
01:57:43,039 --> 01:57:47,000
you know. And I think if you are thinking of

2470
01:57:47,039 --> 01:57:49,479
the post metal route of like you've got to look

2471
01:57:49,520 --> 01:57:51,239
at your watch before the song really starts to hit,

2472
01:57:51,239 --> 01:57:52,640
you know, under the side of carth you mentioned it's

2473
01:57:52,720 --> 01:57:55,479
hype as shit. The drummer is almost like a it's

2474
01:57:55,520 --> 01:57:57,439
like a punk post black metal song if such a

2475
01:57:57,439 --> 01:58:00,119
thing existed, Like the drummer is just like hammering it.

2476
01:58:00,199 --> 01:58:00,960
And this was like a.

2477
01:58:00,880 --> 01:58:03,119
Speaker 4: Thrashy riff at the start of that song. Yeah, it's

2478
01:58:03,199 --> 01:58:03,920
so hard.

2479
01:58:04,239 --> 01:58:07,680
Speaker 1: And just the physical mass of them. I think that

2480
01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:09,279
one of my I was like, like, this is what metal

2481
01:58:09,279 --> 01:58:11,439
can do. You know, like metal better than any other

2482
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:14,279
kind of guitar. Bassed music creates this sort of like

2483
01:58:14,600 --> 01:58:19,199
horricune of energy and just this raging storm of a sound,

2484
01:58:19,239 --> 01:58:21,760
and the great old ones just do that, you know, impeccably,

2485
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:25,079
even when it is a you know, fifteen minute instrumental

2486
01:58:25,119 --> 01:58:29,680
that is just like twisting and contorting over those fifteen minutes.

2487
01:58:29,600 --> 01:58:33,239
Speaker 3: Wellout fifty length of fifty minute instrumental. One of the

2488
01:58:33,239 --> 01:58:37,279
things that came to mind, which it would evoke something

2489
01:58:37,319 --> 01:58:40,039
completely different in your in your head, was I thought

2490
01:58:40,039 --> 01:58:42,880
it really sounds like Envy, and I didn't care for

2491
01:58:42,920 --> 01:58:44,880
that Envy record from last year so much, and it

2492
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:47,319
feels like in one song I got the follow up

2493
01:58:47,359 --> 01:58:49,800
to the Fallen Crimson I was hoping for, and they

2494
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:52,479
managed to take that thing which you know in that

2495
01:58:52,520 --> 01:58:57,720
band sounds always sounds like mournful and depressive, and they

2496
01:58:57,800 --> 01:59:00,640
again they make it sound so imposing from the opening,

2497
01:59:00,640 --> 01:59:03,520
but all the way through it just sounds got gantuan.

2498
01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:06,960
Speaker 2: I've not made that conversing, but I get where you're

2499
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:08,680
coming from. With like the sort of the guitar lines

2500
01:59:08,680 --> 01:59:10,560
and stuff like that. I do see where you're come from.

2501
01:59:10,600 --> 01:59:12,239
It just takes it that they did bit in a

2502
01:59:12,319 --> 01:59:15,680
totally different, monstrous.

2503
01:59:15,119 --> 01:59:16,680
Speaker 4: And less kind of like beautiful way.

2504
01:59:17,880 --> 01:59:20,119
Speaker 3: And the other point of reference which I wasn't expecting

2505
01:59:20,119 --> 01:59:23,039
to make is on a second rendezvous, which I'm now

2506
01:59:23,640 --> 01:59:25,199
is that the bonus track.

2507
01:59:26,640 --> 01:59:28,880
Speaker 1: That the track eight that we had, that is the

2508
01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:30,039
one that is labeled as the bonetrack.

2509
01:59:30,079 --> 01:59:32,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Well, when this comes out, go listen to

2510
01:59:32,319 --> 01:59:35,439
the bonus track, because where's a rocking guitar solo of that,

2511
01:59:35,640 --> 01:59:38,039
But when the groove comes in that could be a

2512
01:59:38,079 --> 01:59:40,760
deaf tone song. It's that level of liquid, but they

2513
01:59:40,800 --> 01:59:43,119
cover it with accoutrements that take it so far away

2514
01:59:43,159 --> 01:59:47,600
from that. Like just the level of musicianship in this

2515
01:59:47,640 --> 01:59:52,119
band is something else. And I can't believe that's a

2516
01:59:52,119 --> 01:59:53,680
bonus track. That's one of the best songs here.

2517
01:59:55,439 --> 01:59:59,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of the more underrated black metal bands today.

2518
01:59:59,199 --> 02:00:01,159
I think like they have been amazing for more than

2519
02:00:01,159 --> 02:00:05,119
a decade now. Every record is consistently very strong. This

2520
02:00:05,159 --> 02:00:09,119
one the first like really good metal records of twenty

2521
02:00:09,119 --> 02:00:11,359
twenty four. I think it's called Cadath, the band with

2522
02:00:11,399 --> 02:00:13,399
the great old ones. We are going to close on

2523
02:00:13,479 --> 02:00:18,119
two records that are going to take the the fifteen

2524
02:00:18,119 --> 02:00:20,119
minute instrumental than the scope and all of that, and

2525
02:00:20,399 --> 02:00:23,359
condense it down quite a bit more as we move

2526
02:00:23,439 --> 02:00:25,760
into a couple of records from the world of kind

2527
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:29,239
of hardcore and adjacent genres coming out this January that

2528
02:00:29,359 --> 02:00:31,359
might be of interest you and worth your time. And

2529
02:00:31,399 --> 02:00:34,039
the first one comes from around called Trauma Bond, and

2530
02:00:34,079 --> 02:00:37,199
the record is called Sumner Ends. Some are long gone

2531
02:00:37,359 --> 02:00:39,640
this band, I only know what I've learned in like

2532
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:41,920
the last week. I've never heard of them before. But

2533
02:00:41,960 --> 02:00:44,760
when it came to just looking around at the releases

2534
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:46,680
in January and thinking like, what's something that you know,

2535
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:49,039
our audience might be interested in hearing they haven't heard before,

2536
02:00:49,359 --> 02:00:51,880
this fit the bill. Trauma Bond are according to their

2537
02:00:51,880 --> 02:00:53,399
band camp at least, which is like the main presence

2538
02:00:53,439 --> 02:00:56,039
they seem to have from London, so UK based band.

2539
02:00:56,439 --> 02:00:58,960
They have been releasing records since twenty twenty one in

2540
02:00:59,000 --> 02:01:02,239
a sort of seasonal series, so they've done Winter Spring,

2541
02:01:02,399 --> 02:01:04,560
This summer is the third one, and supposedly there'll be

2542
02:01:04,560 --> 02:01:07,039
a concluding autumn at some point. Like I said, this

2543
02:01:07,079 --> 02:01:08,359
is the first one I've heard, so I haven't been

2544
02:01:08,359 --> 02:01:13,239
following that particular series. But this is hardcore I guess

2545
02:01:13,239 --> 02:01:17,640
you'd call it on the more experimental end. The bands

2546
02:01:17,640 --> 02:01:19,680
that jump out to mine for being like for fans

2547
02:01:19,720 --> 02:01:23,000
of someone like Full of Hell, but also like bringing

2548
02:01:23,039 --> 02:01:26,319
it closer to the hardcore stuff like Candy that kind

2549
02:01:26,359 --> 02:01:29,600
of plays in that realm of like hardcore fuckery, you know,

2550
02:01:30,199 --> 02:01:33,479
not to mention converge considering this also has some additional

2551
02:01:33,520 --> 02:01:35,840
guitar contributions from none other than Kurt Balu on it,

2552
02:01:35,880 --> 02:01:37,359
which I don't know how that relationship came about.

2553
02:01:37,439 --> 02:01:39,239
Speaker 2: That makes sense, I didn't know about that, and now

2554
02:01:39,279 --> 02:01:40,479
going to go, of course it fucking does.

2555
02:01:41,439 --> 02:01:43,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was how I found out about it, because

2556
02:01:43,439 --> 02:01:45,960
he posted it on his Instagram. Anyway, But that little

2557
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:48,239
list of names, I think you can get an idea

2558
02:01:48,279 --> 02:01:49,560
of whether this is the kind of thing that interests

2559
02:01:49,560 --> 02:01:51,840
you or not. And you know why I might throw

2560
02:01:51,880 --> 02:01:53,279
this out, was like, hey, you know, what do we

2561
02:01:53,319 --> 02:01:56,119
make of this? But also bear in mind, this is really,

2562
02:01:56,159 --> 02:01:58,560
I think, on the avant garde end of that spectrum.

2563
02:01:58,680 --> 02:02:03,039
Even by some of those stands, this thing is absolutely

2564
02:02:03,319 --> 02:02:04,960
bewildering for a lot of the time.

2565
02:02:05,720 --> 02:02:08,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of I was kind of expecting a

2566
02:02:08,359 --> 02:02:12,079
kind of artsy hardcore record in the vein of Converge

2567
02:02:12,119 --> 02:02:13,439
at their artsyists.

2568
02:02:13,079 --> 02:02:15,800
Speaker 1: And any any death wish type thing, right, yeah.

2569
02:02:15,479 --> 02:02:17,600
Speaker 2: Like that, and there is there's a lot of that

2570
02:02:17,680 --> 02:02:19,239
on there, you know, Like it kind of starts with

2571
02:02:19,279 --> 02:02:22,520
this slow burn atmosphere, menacing whispers, sludgey rears, all that,

2572
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:24,000
and there are moments where it just kind of like

2573
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:26,479
bootshead off and goes for a hardcore and there are

2574
02:02:26,520 --> 02:02:29,920
moments where it goes absolutely batshit insane. This this album,

2575
02:02:30,000 --> 02:02:34,720
Like how many ideas this crams into like twenty nine.

2576
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:38,920
Speaker 4: Or so minutes like this. I fucking love this album.

2577
02:02:38,439 --> 02:02:41,880
Speaker 2: I knew nothing about this band, really and I can't

2578
02:02:41,880 --> 02:02:46,279
get enough of this. I'm so in on every mental idea.

2579
02:02:46,319 --> 02:02:50,680
And there are two piece like and then they got.

2580
02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:52,399
Speaker 4: Fucking like there is a drum machine.

2581
02:02:52,399 --> 02:02:54,720
Speaker 2: I swear on this album that is goes absolutely mental

2582
02:02:54,720 --> 02:02:56,560
on one song, and I normally hate that, and I'm

2583
02:02:56,600 --> 02:02:58,960
in on it here because it just fucking is part

2584
02:02:59,000 --> 02:03:00,800
of the chaos that I'm so in on.

2585
02:03:01,680 --> 02:03:03,720
Speaker 3: I mean, I went into this totally blind. I didn't

2586
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:05,720
even go in expecting hardcore. I saw the an cover

2587
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:07,920
and saw the name and thought I was just gonna

2588
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:10,159
be like sort of maggot Heart or maybe even Marmosettes,

2589
02:03:10,359 --> 02:03:14,560
something of that kind, and then the buffet you're served.

2590
02:03:14,960 --> 02:03:17,199
It's even now, I'm not sure hardcore is the best

2591
02:03:17,239 --> 02:03:19,600
descript It's like it's more like grindcore but with noise

2592
02:03:19,680 --> 02:03:22,159
rock and scream. Oh there's like bits of post metal

2593
02:03:22,199 --> 02:03:25,640
sort of experiments and music, and you get basically none

2594
02:03:25,680 --> 02:03:28,800
of those in the opening track, which is more like

2595
02:03:29,079 --> 02:03:35,560
slam poetry, overthroat singing and war drums. And at that

2596
02:03:35,600 --> 02:03:37,840
point it was like, right, I I already have no

2597
02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:40,920
idea what's going to happen now, But when this thing

2598
02:03:41,000 --> 02:03:45,359
kicks off, I was full heart, eyes swept up in it.

2599
02:03:45,359 --> 02:03:46,640
I think this is fantastic as well.

2600
02:03:47,439 --> 02:03:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I I've heard this record and I

2601
02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:53,720
still don't really know what happens. I don't necessarily know

2602
02:03:53,760 --> 02:03:56,279
if I I mean on like fully like loving this

2603
02:03:56,359 --> 02:03:58,079
record yet, but I was just like fucking know, there's

2604
02:03:58,079 --> 02:03:59,279
a lot going on here and there, like it's one

2605
02:03:59,279 --> 02:04:01,479
of those records. It made me feel almost like when

2606
02:04:01,479 --> 02:04:02,840
you listen to like The Armed or stuff like that,

2607
02:04:02,880 --> 02:04:07,399
and it's like just baffling, is like making heads or

2608
02:04:07,399 --> 02:04:09,760
tails of like how one thing connects with the like

2609
02:04:09,800 --> 02:04:12,199
the other is genuinely like this puts you through the

2610
02:04:12,279 --> 02:04:15,600
ringer in that kind of time period. As you say,

2611
02:04:15,640 --> 02:04:18,720
there's like a sort of weird ambient like you're entering

2612
02:04:18,760 --> 02:04:21,680
some kind of like death sacrificial arena or something opening.

2613
02:04:21,920 --> 02:04:25,960
And then this like big low like sludge bass, which

2614
02:04:26,079 --> 02:04:29,479
kind of like really kind of eggs that on further. Again,

2615
02:04:29,520 --> 02:04:31,000
the first that there are two pieces that must be

2616
02:04:31,039 --> 02:04:33,760
so much like just playing around in the studio to

2617
02:04:33,800 --> 02:04:37,560
really create this larger than life atmosphere because the you know,

2618
02:04:37,600 --> 02:04:39,479
the second track is then about half the length of

2619
02:04:39,479 --> 02:04:41,760
that intro one, and it just fucking rips it just like, Okay,

2620
02:04:41,760 --> 02:04:43,680
here you got like this is a grindcore song, like

2621
02:04:43,720 --> 02:04:44,399
grind coreps.

2622
02:04:44,199 --> 02:04:47,079
Speaker 4: Blast sabbing riff, like is so violent.

2623
02:04:47,199 --> 02:04:50,000
Speaker 2: The vocals are kind of like destoryed a muddled support

2624
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:51,760
where you kind of don't even know what what's being

2625
02:04:51,840 --> 02:04:52,399
screamed at you.

2626
02:04:52,399 --> 02:04:53,600
Speaker 4: It's just kind of like noise.

2627
02:04:54,359 --> 02:04:58,000
Speaker 2: There's this mental electro breakdown in there and chugging stobby bits,

2628
02:04:58,000 --> 02:05:00,079
and I'm just like, okay, this is in like a

2629
02:05:00,119 --> 02:05:01,159
short grind Cores song.

2630
02:05:01,520 --> 02:05:02,560
Speaker 4: Cool, what have you got for me?

2631
02:05:02,920 --> 02:05:06,079
Speaker 1: Really like loudly mixed in a kind of like overwhelming,

2632
02:05:06,760 --> 02:05:09,600
popping your ear drums kind of way, like intentionally and

2633
02:05:09,600 --> 02:05:13,199
being abrasive like that, and that Bizarrely that track ends

2634
02:05:13,239 --> 02:05:16,560
up being the most familiar to Grafting about it like

2635
02:05:16,600 --> 02:05:18,479
at least makes sense, like, yeah, that's a grindcore song,

2636
02:05:18,520 --> 02:05:20,920
Like I know grindcore I do like. I like when

2637
02:05:20,920 --> 02:05:23,319
they lean into the kind of the more like noisy

2638
02:05:23,359 --> 02:05:26,119
sludge end, like something like Chewing Fat, which goes to

2639
02:05:26,199 --> 02:05:30,000
this like unforgiving doom kind of tempo, when they let

2640
02:05:30,039 --> 02:05:31,800
the kind of more sort of the god flesh type

2641
02:05:31,880 --> 02:05:35,439
thing emerge out that really like gets their sheer sonic

2642
02:05:35,560 --> 02:05:39,640
texture and weight approach. But then they would just rip

2643
02:05:39,680 --> 02:05:42,319
that up as well and just like douse everything in

2644
02:05:42,399 --> 02:05:47,600
some crazed whirlpool of like you know the song regards

2645
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:51,359
as this sort of mailstrom, that is, the opening seconds

2646
02:05:51,359 --> 02:05:54,760
are like a whirlpool of death metal opening up underneath it,

2647
02:05:54,920 --> 02:05:57,800
and then halfway through you stop dead into the sort

2648
02:05:57,800 --> 02:06:01,439
of moment of anticipation for them, just like this monolith

2649
02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:06,199
low tuned like drop riff to stomp your head in.

2650
02:06:06,359 --> 02:06:08,159
And it's sort of paired as a one too with

2651
02:06:08,239 --> 02:06:12,239
the song Son of Scum, which is has that like

2652
02:06:12,279 --> 02:06:14,920
converged like phoenix in flames type effect on it where

2653
02:06:14,920 --> 02:06:17,399
it's like it's too hot to the touch, And collectively

2654
02:06:17,560 --> 02:06:20,359
those two songs are about three minutes of music that

2655
02:06:20,800 --> 02:06:23,680
you kind of I almost don't keep up with what's happening.

2656
02:06:23,720 --> 02:06:27,079
It's just like such an aggressive release of like being

2657
02:06:28,000 --> 02:06:31,000
like chewed up and spout again I think regards on

2658
02:06:31,039 --> 02:06:33,840
what the drum machine just going like insane parsenal planet.

2659
02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:35,720
Speaker 2: It's just like it's that one like that, and then

2660
02:06:35,760 --> 02:06:37,680
even like Repulsion kind of flowers about and this like

2661
02:06:37,720 --> 02:06:40,319
this just it's just this whole mistarction of the album

2662
02:06:40,479 --> 02:06:44,159
is just fucking crazy. So a Scum like is that

2663
02:06:44,319 --> 02:06:47,439
like really like nice relations But then you have again

2664
02:06:47,479 --> 02:06:51,239
this real kind of like sick mid tempo stomping rift

2665
02:06:51,239 --> 02:06:53,119
that it kind of rides out for the rest of it.

2666
02:06:53,399 --> 02:06:55,760
Wolfing the Lamb to Mutton is maybe the most insane

2667
02:06:55,760 --> 02:06:59,239
moment on the record, where like we're full on in

2668
02:06:59,319 --> 02:07:03,279
kind of like electro, a hardcore noise, drum and bass

2669
02:07:03,319 --> 02:07:05,880
drop in the middle of this oppressive like like.

2670
02:07:06,119 --> 02:07:08,359
Speaker 1: And it's so fucked up in the mix, like it's

2671
02:07:08,399 --> 02:07:13,399
so mega distorted, like the foundation for that song. It

2672
02:07:13,479 --> 02:07:15,880
starts off like electro, but by the latter stage, I'm like,

2673
02:07:15,960 --> 02:07:17,880
is this even a song? Like it's just melted the

2674
02:07:17,880 --> 02:07:19,520
way into like the noise and trauma.

2675
02:07:20,399 --> 02:07:23,399
Speaker 3: Well, that song sounds like if Early Converge wrote and

2676
02:07:23,439 --> 02:07:26,560
recorded the Broken EP, which you know, if anything like

2677
02:07:26,600 --> 02:07:28,720
you should be should be music to your ears. I

2678
02:07:29,159 --> 02:07:31,239
love when bands like this make use of the production.

2679
02:07:31,399 --> 02:07:32,760
I think one of the most we haven't mentioned so

2680
02:07:32,800 --> 02:07:35,159
far that I suspect is an influence on them is

2681
02:07:35,199 --> 02:07:38,960
gengis tron like that for me, something like a repulsion

2682
02:07:39,119 --> 02:07:42,439
but Wolving the Lamb to Mutton making something that sounds

2683
02:07:42,439 --> 02:07:44,640
so garbled and panicked and in a way that you

2684
02:07:45,239 --> 02:07:47,439
actually couldn't do if it was recorded live, like if

2685
02:07:47,479 --> 02:07:49,079
it's a two piece I presume this is all just

2686
02:07:49,600 --> 02:07:51,840
you know, sort of a bedroom project and making full

2687
02:07:51,960 --> 02:07:56,640
use of that and making the music more frightening by well,

2688
02:07:57,000 --> 02:07:58,800
we kind of we didn't even mention it. On Good Grief.

2689
02:07:59,119 --> 02:08:01,760
They put some sort of like brato on the vocals,

2690
02:08:01,840 --> 02:08:04,239
which I've never heard before, but I didn't think that

2691
02:08:04,319 --> 02:08:05,880
was like they take the share trick and put it

2692
02:08:05,880 --> 02:08:10,640
on somebody's sounds like Jacob Bannon. It's fucking it's head exploding.

2693
02:08:11,479 --> 02:08:11,680
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2694
02:08:11,800 --> 02:08:15,479
Speaker 1: Thumb Skin for Dinner wonderfully sicko title that is almost

2695
02:08:15,520 --> 02:08:18,720
like they've taken one of the weird like whirring riffs

2696
02:08:18,720 --> 02:08:22,119
from like a debut Slipknot album track and then fashioned

2697
02:08:22,159 --> 02:08:24,680
it into like a avant garde noise piece. It's just

2698
02:08:24,680 --> 02:08:28,399
fully so sick. Yeah. And then you know, twenty eight

2699
02:08:28,439 --> 02:08:30,920
minutes long, such a classic trick. The last nine minutes

2700
02:08:30,960 --> 02:08:34,079
of it are one track called Dissonance, and they just go, yeah, okay,

2701
02:08:34,239 --> 02:08:35,840
now we're just gonna immerse you like you've gone through

2702
02:08:35,840 --> 02:08:37,600
the Ringer here, We're just going to immerse you in

2703
02:08:37,640 --> 02:08:41,119
hell for the ending. That mix of kind of industrial

2704
02:08:41,119 --> 02:08:43,720
and noise and a bit of sort of maybe melodic

2705
02:08:43,800 --> 02:08:46,600
kind of yearning for something else going on there as well,

2706
02:08:47,319 --> 02:08:49,520
the way it keeps varying up track to track like

2707
02:08:49,880 --> 02:08:51,680
the I think the trade off is I don't particularly

2708
02:08:51,720 --> 02:08:54,880
settle into like a rhythm with this release, Like it's

2709
02:08:55,039 --> 02:09:00,159
it's just absolutely unforgiving in terms of like throwing you

2710
02:09:00,199 --> 02:09:03,920
from one thing to another. And it's so again sonically

2711
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:06,680
like mastered, like it's wrapped in barbed wire. It's quite

2712
02:09:06,680 --> 02:09:09,159
hard to breach. It's so mangled into a thousand pieces.

2713
02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:12,119
But for twenty eight minutes of just like violent invention

2714
02:09:12,239 --> 02:09:15,840
that will just leave you like completely disorientated. It's the

2715
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:17,239
first release I heard of the year to do that,

2716
02:09:17,279 --> 02:09:17,840
that's for sure.

2717
02:09:18,520 --> 02:09:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's kind of why I'm just so

2718
02:09:20,119 --> 02:09:22,479
damn it you can't sit into this, but I'm kind

2719
02:09:22,479 --> 02:09:24,279
of that's part of the thrill for it. For me,

2720
02:09:24,319 --> 02:09:26,039
it's just going twenty eight minutes of just going like

2721
02:09:26,279 --> 02:09:28,000
the fuck is going on? The fuck am I listening

2722
02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:30,760
to and just being poured along for everything, and and

2723
02:09:31,119 --> 02:09:33,399
I'm just hanging off of everything. I'm like, no matter

2724
02:09:33,560 --> 02:09:35,960
time I can, I forget what twist is about to come.

2725
02:09:36,319 --> 02:09:37,920
And so it's not lost their excitement yet for me.

2726
02:09:37,960 --> 02:09:40,439
I've listened to a bunch and I'm like, oh, yeah, fuck,

2727
02:09:40,479 --> 02:09:42,439
that happened next. I don't expect that, and I've listened

2728
02:09:42,439 --> 02:09:43,399
to four times radio.

2729
02:09:43,439 --> 02:09:44,199
Speaker 4: I should expect that.

2730
02:09:44,239 --> 02:09:46,920
Speaker 2: But because it's just because it's thrown so much at

2731
02:09:46,920 --> 02:09:50,000
you in such a relentless way, I do.

2732
02:09:50,119 --> 02:09:52,000
Speaker 4: I like, it still feels surprising.

2733
02:09:52,560 --> 02:09:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know, Stylistically, I would agree it's

2734
02:09:54,640 --> 02:09:57,359
not the most cahering record we're going to talk about

2735
02:09:57,359 --> 02:10:00,560
this year, but just the things we've none, you know,

2736
02:10:00,680 --> 02:10:05,800
like Converge, Godflesh, Genghis Tron, I mean for me that

2737
02:10:05,880 --> 02:10:07,880
the kind of four to four if on sunder Scum.

2738
02:10:08,239 --> 02:10:12,640
I thought that's a bit now diabolical, which how often

2739
02:10:12,640 --> 02:10:15,800
do your sort of hyper cybergrind bands mentioned something like that?

2740
02:10:16,159 --> 02:10:19,840
It's yeah for me, it's it's like they've just kind

2741
02:10:19,840 --> 02:10:22,800
of looked at my wish list and made a record

2742
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:26,000
in that style. So it's double thumbs up for me.

2743
02:10:26,359 --> 02:10:27,159
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2744
02:10:27,239 --> 02:10:27,439
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2745
02:10:27,439 --> 02:10:29,720
Speaker 1: If you want to really go like out there in

2746
02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:31,960
head fucky with your heaviness, that's your record this month

2747
02:10:32,159 --> 02:10:33,800
to go to. If you want something a little bit

2748
02:10:33,840 --> 02:10:36,000
more no nonsense about it is thuggery. The last record

2749
02:10:36,039 --> 02:10:37,560
we're going to talk about might be your Pickets from

2750
02:10:37,560 --> 02:10:40,439
a band called Grief Ritual. The record is called Collapse.

2751
02:10:40,520 --> 02:10:43,960
This is a debut album. It's out on Church Road Record.

2752
02:10:44,039 --> 02:10:46,520
So you can usually rely on to pick up the

2753
02:10:46,640 --> 02:10:49,279
kind of like promising UK bands that you're likely to

2754
02:10:49,319 --> 02:10:51,279
see at shows in and around the UK scene, you know,

2755
02:10:51,319 --> 02:10:52,960
like the ones that are going to kind of flow

2756
02:10:53,000 --> 02:10:55,199
their way to the top a little bit. Sam, I

2757
02:10:55,199 --> 02:10:58,319
guess through probably similar reasons, you had some familiarity with

2758
02:10:58,359 --> 02:10:59,439
the name coming into Yes.

2759
02:11:00,079 --> 02:11:01,600
Speaker 2: I'm not, I assume my but I've kind of seen

2760
02:11:01,600 --> 02:11:03,560
their name about, and.

2761
02:11:02,920 --> 02:11:05,239
Speaker 1: I think I saw them supporting under Dark last year.

2762
02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:05,680
Speaker 3: Like.

2763
02:11:07,520 --> 02:11:10,159
Speaker 4: They've only done the London there or not.

2764
02:11:10,279 --> 02:11:13,520
Speaker 1: I don't think that wasn't the Devil Master time a different.

2765
02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:16,119
Speaker 2: I've seen the name about, I've checked out a few

2766
02:11:16,119 --> 02:11:19,399
songs going into this, and this is just sing I'm

2767
02:11:19,439 --> 02:11:22,479
kind like, yeah, I like what that what grief rich

2768
02:11:22,520 --> 02:11:22,880
will do?

2769
02:11:23,279 --> 02:11:25,079
Speaker 4: There's I haven't got like loads.

2770
02:11:24,800 --> 02:11:26,720
Speaker 2: Say about this because it's that they're not doing anything

2771
02:11:26,840 --> 02:11:30,640
radically new. But if you just want gnarly, nasty, kind

2772
02:11:30,680 --> 02:11:33,560
of metallic again, like would you call this milkoll would

2773
02:11:33,560 --> 02:11:37,319
you call it hardcore like metallic hardcore death metal, death

2774
02:11:37,399 --> 02:11:40,199
core like it's kind of like within that realm of

2775
02:11:40,319 --> 02:11:43,039
just kind of like metallic nastiness. I'm down with it.

2776
02:11:43,319 --> 02:11:44,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, we've got forty minutes here,

2777
02:11:44,920 --> 02:11:47,319
which is a bit more than EU Trauma bonds. And

2778
02:11:47,399 --> 02:11:50,520
I wondered, yeah, my impression. I looked at the cove

2779
02:11:50,560 --> 02:11:52,319
and stuff, and I was like, you know, the logo

2780
02:11:52,399 --> 02:11:53,640
it screams to be like, you know, sort of like

2781
02:11:53,760 --> 02:11:56,600
terror hardcore, you know, And I wondered to what degree

2782
02:11:56,600 --> 02:11:58,000
it would be that, or to what degree we might

2783
02:11:58,039 --> 02:12:00,720
lean over into more sort of like you know, posty,

2784
02:12:00,920 --> 02:12:02,319
you know, kind of territory or whatever, a bit of

2785
02:12:02,319 --> 02:12:04,800
conjurer or so on. And to give them the credit

2786
02:12:04,840 --> 02:12:06,119
and the first time to hear on the record, they

2787
02:12:06,119 --> 02:12:09,840
aren't thuggery. It's kind of eeriness and creeping dissonance. But

2788
02:12:09,920 --> 02:12:12,880
I guess the closest parallel of at least, like, you know,

2789
02:12:13,319 --> 02:12:15,560
slightly more established bands who people might you know again

2790
02:12:15,640 --> 02:12:18,760
kind of have more reasiluly kind of heard of, I

2791
02:12:18,760 --> 02:12:19,760
guess someone like Harriett.

2792
02:12:20,399 --> 02:12:22,520
Speaker 2: That's the obvious point to me is if you like Harry,

2793
02:12:22,640 --> 02:12:23,720
I think you really did.

2794
02:12:23,880 --> 02:12:29,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's it's got mush moments and it's clearly

2795
02:12:29,119 --> 02:12:32,159
all about that, just like Monster, you know, smashing ship

2796
02:12:32,239 --> 02:12:34,600
up kind of vibe, but when it goes into the

2797
02:12:34,680 --> 02:12:36,640
darker passages, it also it really likes to kind of

2798
02:12:36,640 --> 02:12:39,600
peel the skin off you as it does it. So

2799
02:12:39,640 --> 02:12:41,159
that's the sort of flavor we're talking about here.

2800
02:12:42,960 --> 02:12:45,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it. I mean, looking at the album cover,

2801
02:12:45,880 --> 02:12:47,960
you say, Tea, the first thing I thought was Earth Crisis.

2802
02:12:48,119 --> 02:12:52,760
Speaker 1: I thought, to be sure, yeah crisis, Yeah, yeah, totally yeah.

2803
02:12:52,760 --> 02:12:55,039
Speaker 3: And for me, this sits more in the realm of

2804
02:12:55,039 --> 02:12:58,520
the sort of post Code Orange, post Jesus piece uber aggressive.

2805
02:12:59,560 --> 02:13:00,279
Speaker 4: It's got the.

2806
02:13:00,159 --> 02:13:01,960
Speaker 2: Dust real bits that all of those bands have. It

2807
02:13:02,239 --> 02:13:03,840
touches on a lot of those sort of same beats,

2808
02:13:03,880 --> 02:13:05,319
which again I'm totally here for.

2809
02:13:05,560 --> 02:13:07,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly like there's a bit of like the horror

2810
02:13:07,399 --> 02:13:11,000
thing that those bands do woven into it. For me,

2811
02:13:11,119 --> 02:13:13,039
I feel like I've got to leave most of this

2812
02:13:13,119 --> 02:13:15,960
to you guys, because this isn't typically I mean, I

2813
02:13:16,039 --> 02:13:18,279
love Code Org and Jesus, but typically the beat down,

2814
02:13:18,279 --> 02:13:21,560
hardicle thing is It's something I find myself gravitating more towards.

2815
02:13:21,640 --> 02:13:24,199
And I feel like I repeat myself when we cover

2816
02:13:24,279 --> 02:13:26,159
these kind of albums. But my got feeling about this

2817
02:13:26,239 --> 02:13:28,720
is pretty much similar to those ones. It's like, it's good,

2818
02:13:29,760 --> 02:13:31,920
I think they could do something great. It's at the

2819
02:13:31,920 --> 02:13:34,439
moment listening to this record, it's a case of I

2820
02:13:34,479 --> 02:13:36,880
think they need something else before I really get excited

2821
02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:39,600
the way that bands like Code Orange and Jesus Peace do.

2822
02:13:40,039 --> 02:13:45,960
But if you like this sound, it's it's quite nasty.

2823
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:50,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I generally agree with basically everything you've just said. Again,

2824
02:13:50,399 --> 02:13:52,760
if we take that the Harriet comparison, I don't think

2825
02:13:52,800 --> 02:13:56,279
they have like the the full scope of imagination yet

2826
02:13:56,600 --> 02:13:58,920
that someone like Harriet have hinted at in their music,

2827
02:13:58,960 --> 02:14:01,800
the different facets of their new The flip sidea is

2828
02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:03,840
you know, not to rag on an old thing, but

2829
02:14:03,920 --> 02:14:05,600
like some of the sonic problems that we kind of

2830
02:14:05,600 --> 02:14:09,039
felt about the Herriott record, this is uh, it's probably

2831
02:14:09,039 --> 02:14:11,079
because it's just cheaper, you know, but like it's just

2832
02:14:11,159 --> 02:14:14,079
it's a very just sort of meaty, nice in the

2833
02:14:14,079 --> 02:14:16,800
middle kind of like crush crush, crush calibrated pretty well

2834
02:14:16,920 --> 02:14:20,039
kind of sound. The tone is just like over the

2835
02:14:20,079 --> 02:14:23,119
top nasty. The drums are big and fat and beefy,

2836
02:14:23,159 --> 02:14:25,079
but they're also kind of human. It's like it's a

2837
02:14:25,159 --> 02:14:28,319
kind of humble, no frills kind of sound of people

2838
02:14:28,479 --> 02:14:32,399
making something really fucking heavy. And again that first track

2839
02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:35,880
Spiral does have probably the most ignorant breakdown I've heard

2840
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:38,399
the far in twenty twenty five, so that was like, yeah,

2841
02:14:38,399 --> 02:14:40,000
I was, I was down with that, and the record

2842
02:14:40,000 --> 02:14:42,319
it just kind of terrorizes the fuck out of you

2843
02:14:42,560 --> 02:14:44,640
in a fairly standing kind of way. You know, there's

2844
02:14:44,680 --> 02:14:48,920
a one quite high on the frets blasty riff in

2845
02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:52,039
the song Bile that's genuinely kind of stressful and panic inducing.

2846
02:14:52,760 --> 02:14:54,520
Speaker 2: Bile's one of my favorite moments of the record of

2847
02:14:54,680 --> 02:14:58,399
just kind of undertwo minutes a blast of pure aggression.

2848
02:14:58,760 --> 02:15:00,000
A lot of the songs they kind of have those

2849
02:15:00,079 --> 02:15:01,760
fast moments were like the vocals because you kind of

2850
02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:03,920
switched if to like being those higher screams of the

2851
02:15:03,960 --> 02:15:05,520
more lower, guttle screams. He does that quite a bit

2852
02:15:05,560 --> 02:15:07,439
on the songs Bier Was Gone one, where it's almost

2853
02:15:07,479 --> 02:15:09,920
all of that feral thing and then it does just

2854
02:15:09,960 --> 02:15:12,880
slow down into the stupidly heavy beat down.

2855
02:15:12,680 --> 02:15:15,560
Speaker 4: Which like they do that trick a lot. It's this

2856
02:15:15,640 --> 02:15:17,039
is a one trick album that they kind of lean

2857
02:15:17,079 --> 02:15:18,119
on a lot of the same things.

2858
02:15:18,600 --> 02:15:20,319
Speaker 2: But when they hit it, and when they go from

2859
02:15:20,319 --> 02:15:22,840
those really fast savage bits into just a much heavy

2860
02:15:22,880 --> 02:15:25,479
beat down, I'm putting the stink face. I'm like, I'm

2861
02:15:25,520 --> 02:15:27,479
nodding along, being like, yep, give me, give me, give

2862
02:15:27,520 --> 02:15:29,840
me more of that. I will lap that up. It's

2863
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:33,359
not a reasonable or massively inventive, but it fucking goes.

2864
02:15:33,239 --> 02:15:35,560
Speaker 3: No, it's it's it's I mean, it kind of reminds

2865
02:15:35,560 --> 02:15:37,399
me of the thing we said earlier about the Nightfly

2866
02:15:37,479 --> 02:15:41,000
Orchestra record in a way, like you kind you have

2867
02:15:41,039 --> 02:15:43,159
to meet it on its terms. Like you know, I'm saying, Oh,

2868
02:15:43,199 --> 02:15:44,640
they kind of need to do this. Maybe if they

2869
02:15:45,039 --> 02:15:47,560
bring something else to the table. Maybe they're just some

2870
02:15:47,600 --> 02:15:49,760
guys who thought, shall we make a really fucking heavy

2871
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:54,680
hardcore record? And they've absolutely succeeded that that like it.

2872
02:15:54,680 --> 02:15:55,720
It's not the sort of thing that I think it

2873
02:15:55,720 --> 02:15:59,760
would be returning to all that much personally, but like

2874
02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:03,760
you said, so it succeeds at making you pull the face. Yeah.

2875
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:06,760
Speaker 1: I like in In Fault the sort of raging d

2876
02:16:06,880 --> 02:16:08,359
beat field they do at the start, because of course

2877
02:16:08,399 --> 02:16:10,039
I like that that was a moment in the track

2878
02:16:10,119 --> 02:16:12,640
list that kind of you know, rejuvenated me and pet

2879
02:16:12,680 --> 02:16:15,359
me up a little bit. And then some called Putrefy

2880
02:16:15,399 --> 02:16:19,479
which has this almost like early period death call like

2881
02:16:19,800 --> 02:16:22,239
the Cleansing SUICIDEI it's riff or something that's pretty nasty,

2882
02:16:22,239 --> 02:16:23,239
and there has this mosh call.

2883
02:16:23,119 --> 02:16:24,680
Speaker 3: Of our Parker lips that's really great.

2884
02:16:25,439 --> 02:16:28,520
Speaker 1: There's a few spots that there are definitely there are

2885
02:16:28,520 --> 02:16:31,399
a few guest spots in here, and some of them

2886
02:16:31,600 --> 02:16:34,639
like might be just a particularly well spotlighted vocal moment,

2887
02:16:34,719 --> 02:16:36,319
and other ones might be again where there is another

2888
02:16:36,360 --> 02:16:38,399
vocalist coming in. But there are points where it really

2889
02:16:38,399 --> 02:16:42,639
takes the four in recursion. There's this really necro, spindly

2890
02:16:42,719 --> 02:16:44,639
kind of voice that comes in and goes like broken

2891
02:16:44,680 --> 02:16:47,120
body as a living hell, and it's just again very

2892
02:16:47,239 --> 02:16:49,479
it makes you feel icky. It's the kind of record

2893
02:16:49,479 --> 02:16:51,479
that just makes you know your your extremities shrink up

2894
02:16:51,479 --> 02:16:54,079
a little bit. It's it's it's nasty. As you said,

2895
02:16:54,079 --> 02:16:56,840
there are the sprinklings of kind of industrial as you

2896
02:16:56,920 --> 02:16:59,920
might expect, and I like when you know bands like

2897
02:17:00,040 --> 02:17:02,959
that's when the base metal element is kind of stuff explanatory.

2898
02:17:03,000 --> 02:17:06,159
I'm always for them, you know, opening up more of

2899
02:17:06,159 --> 02:17:09,639
those kind of textures and particularly horrifying type elements to

2900
02:17:09,680 --> 02:17:12,639
give it a bit more personality. I do find I

2901
02:17:12,760 --> 02:17:14,959
imagine Eliot you might feel the same way. There's a

2902
02:17:15,000 --> 02:17:17,280
couple parts where there is like a spoken word delivery

2903
02:17:17,360 --> 02:17:20,000
about the kind of social topics of the record, which

2904
02:17:20,040 --> 02:17:21,680
are basically just about you know, kind of the elite

2905
02:17:21,760 --> 02:17:25,079
ruining things for everyone, be it fiscally or through climate

2906
02:17:25,159 --> 02:17:27,760
change or whatever. But the way they're deployed in the record,

2907
02:17:28,360 --> 02:17:30,760
it's basically you get a big barrage of like heavy parts,

2908
02:17:31,159 --> 02:17:33,040
most of which you know you're not really grabbing a

2909
02:17:33,079 --> 02:17:35,040
lot out of the lyrics necessarily, and then in the

2910
02:17:35,040 --> 02:17:37,879
middle some bloke will shuffle forward and go, yeah, and

2911
02:17:37,920 --> 02:17:41,280
the price of eggs is going up public services, and

2912
02:17:41,319 --> 02:17:43,840
then shuffle back and then play a beat down. It's like, well,

2913
02:17:43,879 --> 02:17:46,040
they're certainly not wrong, but it's not the most you know,

2914
02:17:46,200 --> 02:17:49,319
gracefully or imaginatively executed kind of use of those moments.

2915
02:17:50,520 --> 02:17:53,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was if there is, if there is a

2916
02:17:53,440 --> 02:17:56,280
criticism out of this record, it's no more of that.

2917
02:17:56,319 --> 02:17:58,680
Please like try to find a different way of weaving

2918
02:17:58,760 --> 02:18:01,319
it in, like get some samples from a movie, just

2919
02:18:01,440 --> 02:18:05,399
something else, because that does feel a bit like I

2920
02:18:05,399 --> 02:18:08,680
don't know that the crony he's hanging on the sidelight. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

2921
02:18:09,159 --> 02:18:11,040
yeah what he said, Yeah that.

2922
02:18:11,000 --> 02:18:13,719
Speaker 1: There are some more fluid, complimentary ways of conveying that

2923
02:18:13,719 --> 02:18:16,479
message maybe, But I do think, you know, it's essentially

2924
02:18:16,520 --> 02:18:18,639
a very one dimensional kind of approach, where it's almost

2925
02:18:18,639 --> 02:18:20,559
it's the polar opposite of the Trauma Bond, where I

2926
02:18:20,559 --> 02:18:22,000
didn't know what the fuck was going on track to

2927
02:18:22,000 --> 02:18:23,799
track there. This got on with it, you know, much

2928
02:18:23,840 --> 02:18:26,879
more kind of easily. It's pretty heavy all the way through,

2929
02:18:26,879 --> 02:18:29,680
and your head is nodding. I think if you like

2930
02:18:29,760 --> 02:18:32,840
the you know, the heavy end of the current state

2931
02:18:33,040 --> 02:18:37,040
of UK metallit, harcore and so on, the stuff that

2932
02:18:37,079 --> 02:18:40,719
has like no flickerings of hope or melody, This is,

2933
02:18:40,760 --> 02:18:43,799
you know, quite stupidly agro and I'm relenting about it.

2934
02:18:43,799 --> 02:18:45,639
The record is called Collapse. It's by a band called

2935
02:18:45,639 --> 02:18:49,959
Grief Ritual. And that is our last review for today's show.

2936
02:18:50,280 --> 02:18:53,399
So thank you very much for being here with us

2937
02:18:53,680 --> 02:18:55,760
on this slightly lateter than usual but out for you

2938
02:18:55,840 --> 02:18:59,479
now review show for January. Let us know which are

2939
02:18:59,520 --> 02:19:01,280
those records are the ones that you are really really

2940
02:19:01,319 --> 02:19:02,840
vibing with, even though like I said, it was a

2941
02:19:02,840 --> 02:19:05,319
pretty dead month. I think we found a few real

2942
02:19:05,440 --> 02:19:08,920
gems there to talk about and celebrate together. So go

2943
02:19:08,959 --> 02:19:10,280
and check them out, and as said, let us know

2944
02:19:10,280 --> 02:19:14,000
which ones you are really really loving. We next week

2945
02:19:14,040 --> 02:19:16,920
are going to move on to album clubs with that

2946
02:19:17,399 --> 02:19:19,879
quite delectable selection I picked earlier, where if you want

2947
02:19:19,879 --> 02:19:23,520
to know who the Family Force five are, or you

2948
02:19:23,559 --> 02:19:26,360
know the fact that Saboton isn't the daftist thing in

2949
02:19:26,360 --> 02:19:27,239
that particular pack.

2950
02:19:27,319 --> 02:19:30,760
Speaker 2: Honestly, that's the insane part is like that Sabaton a

2951
02:19:30,879 --> 02:19:34,120
normal compared yeah.

2952
02:19:33,159 --> 02:19:36,159
Speaker 1: And some pretty amazing fucking you know, mosh hardcore music

2953
02:19:36,200 --> 02:19:38,319
and so on as well in there. Then you can

2954
02:19:38,399 --> 02:19:41,479
jump on over to patron of com slash that's not metal.

2955
02:19:41,520 --> 02:19:43,840
I believe the very next thing going after that will

2956
02:19:43,879 --> 02:19:46,200
be me and Sam talking about all the non ferratus,

2957
02:19:46,239 --> 02:19:48,120
because of course we have to get to that, and

2958
02:19:48,159 --> 02:19:51,319
then we will be resuming the Black Sabbath Special, moving

2959
02:19:51,319 --> 02:19:55,040
on to the Gillan years and the Glenn Hughes years

2960
02:19:55,120 --> 02:19:57,479
and all of that wonderful stuff going on in that

2961
02:19:57,520 --> 02:20:02,399
particular story that I'm having a lot of fun right

2962
02:20:02,600 --> 02:20:05,840
searching and telling. So Gonta get involved with all that.

2963
02:20:06,520 --> 02:20:10,920
If you desire whatever strikes your fancy, cheers for being here.

2964
02:20:11,000 --> 02:20:13,959
We'll be back next week. Uh and yeah Jeerio,