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smartphone or tablet. And again, thank you so much for

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your support. This story from WBTV headlined Charlotte faith based

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organizations joined suit against Trump administration over immigration policies. So

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the churches that I assume have been making money with

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their programs, and by that I mean, you know, getting

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people to come to their churches and donate money to

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their coffers. They have opinions on government policy, which is

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kind of political, which I thought churches weren't supposed to

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be engaged in. But you know it's different when Democrats

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do it. And the story from Dalford Jones at WBTV

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starts thusly. In response to the Trump administration rescinding a

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policy that protected suspected illegal immigrants in places of worship,

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to North Carolina, religious organizations have joined a lawsuit. They're

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called churches have joined a lawsuit against the Department of

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Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection plus Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

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By the way, if you are a member of a church,

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are you cool with your tithes going to fund lawsuits

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against the federal government. They're just something you should ask

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yourself and maybe somebody at your church. On President Donald

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Trump's first day in office, a directive was issued giving

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Ice and Border Protection agents the power to arrest or

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even serve warrants in what were once protected areas. I

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know that that gang member from Venezuela is hiding out

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in your church, and yes, yes he's you know, a

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serial killer, rapist, torturer and all of that. But Ali,

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Ali oxen free. I'm inside this building. And that means

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no one can come and serve and arrest warrant here.

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Haha ha take that, coppers. Two directives were ordered by

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the Department of Homeland Security in January to quote end

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the invasion of the US southern border and empower law

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enforcement to protect Americans. The first directive undoes guidelines set

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by President Joe Biden to protect sensitive areas like schools, hospitals,

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and places of worship from searches and arrests of suspected

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undocumented immigrants. Once again the worst. First, these are the

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violent criminals. You are protecting violent criminals. The second directive

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gives agents the power to use their common sense for

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enforcement on a case by case basis. As we heard

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in the last hour in that story at WSOCTV, the

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head of the local ice enforcement operations she says, we're

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not going into those places. So you have the Western

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North Carolina Conference of the United Methodist Church. Well, that

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didn't take long, did it. Methodists, right, you guys had

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your big breakup over your Marxist ideology. Infecting that church

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creates the big schism. You have all of these different

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congregations and churches and they all start peeling away. You're

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losing tons of members and and within I'm trying to

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remember when it was that we in I think it

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was over the summertime where they had their big conference

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here in Charlotte, the National you know, or the United

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Methodist Church, right, the National Conference or whatever it was.

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They all met in Charlotte and they voted to to

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basically pursue a path of progressivism right, to start undoing

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all of these things that were the way the church

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had operated before. When it comes to gay marriage, transgenderism,

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you know, and illegal immigration apparently didn't take long. Right

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here they are this is what the people in the

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United Methodist Church. This is what they want now because

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the people who don't want it, by and large, have

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left and they've started, you know, either it was called disaffiliation.

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So they're either just like a standalone local church, a

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lot of the others have hooked up with a new

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entity called the Global Methodist Church and the United Methodist Church.

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You could read the writing on the wall. This stuff

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has been coming for a long time, and so here

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they are, as expected, weighing in on a political matter

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and joining twenty six other quote faith based organizations. Okay, okay,

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the Western North Carolina Conference of the United Methodist Church.

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That's the church. Okay, it's not a faith based organization, right.

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This is not like some standalone charity or something or

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an affiliated with the church charity. This is the church.

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This is the United Methodist Church of Western North Carolina,

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and they have now you're going to lawsuit against the

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Trump administration over its policies. The communications director for the

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WNCC United Methodist Church Amy Jaeger is quoted in the piece.

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She says, they don't want to stand in the way

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of law enforcement doing their jobs and keeping us safe.

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Well that's a lie, Amy, Yes you do. You want

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to use the church building as a barrier. That is

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precisely what you're doing. So look, take your position right,

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just stand your ground. Say this is what you want

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to do. This is what the church is going to do.

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It is going to shield criminal, illegal aliens from deportation.

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That's what you want to do, So just say it.

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Don't whiz on my boots and tell me it's raining.

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Stop gaslighting. We don't want to stand in the way.

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I mean inso much as like a stands in the

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way of somebody. She says, quote what we are asking

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and what we have lost through the recision of this

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sensitive location policy is for those agencies to go through

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the proper channels to receive a judicial warrant to make

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those arrests. This is exactly what Gary not my fault

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McFadden used in order to do the very same thing,

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which is to stemy efforts to remove criminal aliens from

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our country. The quote judicial warrant. These are civil proceedings.

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The Ice warrants are civil proceedings, and so by throwing

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in this judicial warrant, they're saying you got to go

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to a judge and you got to get a judge

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do this. Well, they can't do that because this isn't

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there's no judge that does this. It's a different track.

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By the way, the what is it, the African Methodist

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Episcopal Zion. Yeah, so the ame Zion church is also

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signed on to this. Get this the Methodist. They state

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there has been a decrease in attendance with the new

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policies under the new Trump directives, so this is hurting

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their till see. So that's why they're filing a lawsuit.

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It is because they've noticed a decrease in attendance quote,

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which not only prohibits us from being able to minister

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and care for our congregations because I guess you can't

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go to their homes or something, but it also leads

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to a decrease in tithing and monetary donation, which again

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decreases our ability to be able to support and care

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for our communities and our neighbors. It's a money play.

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Keep the law right that said, or keep the directives

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that say you can't come into our spaces. So this

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way people feel comfortable coming to our spaces, so we

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can keep getting their money so we could do the

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good work obviously. Like there, I don't know, mate, I

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don't even know if faith based organization is an accurate

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description anymore for the UMC. All right, I hope you

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The left felt like it had already won the argument

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on immigration because they essentially shut down everybody else. And

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unfortunately for them and their rude awakening on the election day,

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the people do not agree with you. They just don't

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agree with you, and that's what they are trying to

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wrestle with. And so you can do all of these

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marches that you want to do. But the people spoke

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at the ballot box and said they want a restoration

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from the chaos. Right, they want relief from the chaos

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up in Brevard. Message has not been received at the

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trend Sylvania Times. You have to say like that it's

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Transylvania County in the wake of federal efforts to expel

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immigrants lacking permanent legal status. So this was a new one.

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I've heard all the different iterations of illegal alien, which

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is like, that's the that's the phrase, that's in the law.

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That's why the term exists is because that's what's in

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the law, because that was, you know, the legal designation

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and description and definition of people who come to the

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country illegally, not permitted to be here, don't have a visa,

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they have no legal status, and so they are illegal aliens.

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I have seen the arguments about this, and I said

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this years ago, which is probably a better because because

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they have not been You know, if you just you

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come into contact with somebody and you don't actually know

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their legal status. At some point before they are adjudicated

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to be an illegal alien, you can then say that

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they are an unauthorized alien, an unauthorized immigrant, right because

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they don't have they don't have clearance to be here,

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they have no authorization to be here. Once they get

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adjudicated as yeah, you really don't have any authorization to

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be here, you fit this definition. You are now an

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illegal alien. Like so I can understand if you wanted

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to call them something else, much like you don't call

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somebody a murderer if they're simply a defendant, right, they're

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an accused murderer, but we don't know yet because they

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haven't gone through the trial. Okay, so I understand if

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you want to split that here. But then they start,

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you know, changing the words to be undocumented immigrant, and

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then immigrant somehow became a dirty word, and now it's migrant,

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and then it was you know, not unauthorized but undocumented

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undocumented migrant. Then they judge, Yeah, then they dropped the

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undocumented and it just became migrant. And that's not that.

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That is actually another term that describes something else. Migrant farmers, margrreant,

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migrant workers. Those are different classifications of people, and it's

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not a pejorative. It is a definition of your status.

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And so now this is a new one thanks to

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the trends Sylvania Times, David Bradley, they're calling it immigrants

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lacking permanent legal status. Well, that's not true either. They're

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not expelling people who are here on an HB two visa, right,

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people who are here on a tourist visa. They're not

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expelling people who are not permanent legal status. That's not

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that's or or who are lacking permanent legal status. People

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who are here legally temporarily. They're not getting deported, right,

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So this isn't even accurate. Your attempts to uphemize this

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term and to try to pretty this thing up and oh,

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I don't want to offend or whatever the reason is

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for this to soften this image. It's not even accurate.

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And that's your job, David Bradley. Your job is to

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tell accurate things in your stories. So this story is

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about the Brevard City Council that adopted a statement that

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says it is not city policy for the police to

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ask about immigration status when officers are involved in enforcement actions.

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They want everybody to know we are not cooperating with ice.

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If you get arrested for some sort of criminal activity,

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we're just arresting you because you were suspected of criminal activity.

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We're not arresting you because we're racists or because we

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don't have empathy and sympathy for the immigrants lacking permanent

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legal status aka illegal aliens. So I got a message

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from a listener about this who said that the city

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attorney actually the rumor is and according to there were

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a foyer requests that were made and then documents were

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posted online but have since been taken down on social

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media that showed the city attorney advised the council not

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to do this, but they did it anyway. Here's a

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a couple of peat tweets. Here's one from d Stewart.

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He says, the decrease in the UH the United Methodist Church,

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you know they signed onto this lawsuit over Trump's immigration directives.

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Talking about how you know they they've noticed a decrease

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in their pews. There are fewer people showing up because

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they're all scared, and that of course means they're not

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getting tithes in the amounts that they used to. And D.

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Stewart says the decrease is from UMCS woke policies that

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has resulted in approximately twenty five percent of the membership,

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including one million Conservative Africans, leaving the UMC. Correct, that

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is correct. I didn't I thought twenty five percent was low.

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I thought it was more than that. Yeah, they've had

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a a they've had quite the exodus. There no pun intended,

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Bob said, as ask anybody who has ever coached a

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church sponsored youth athletic team about background checks? All right,

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has any of you guys coached a youth athletic team either?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I haven't either. And then Philip says in an

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email to Pete at thepetecleanershow dot com regarding sheriff not

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my fault, McFadden greatly appreciate your coverage of the shire reeve.

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I don't know what that means. Is that a reference?

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Is that a reference to Lord of the Rings or something? Anyway,

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it is probably best to move on. His ignominious office

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performance is just part of local government and there's not

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much that can be done. I disagree. I'll come back

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to that. His voters are happy with his leadership, and

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it is highly unlikely that any judge of Mecklenberg County

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would take any action to remove him from office. In

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the vernacular, Garry McFadden is better mounted than we are.

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Unless there is a better option at the polls, then

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it will simply continue. That's well, okay, So I disagree

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that it's just part of local government. There's not much

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that can be done. In fact, your local government is

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where you can do the most. That's where you can

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be actually the most effective is at the local level.

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show about local and state stuff, because you actually can

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move the needle on local stuff way easier than at

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the national level. That's harder, way harder. All right, let

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me go to Ray, patiently waiting on the phones. Hello, Ray,

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Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Pete, Hey, I had a just an assumption, and

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I want you to tell me if I'm right or

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if I'm missing something. I'll just assume and feel like

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the sense the beginning founding of our country. You know,

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we started having problems the revolution, then we moved on

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up to the Civil War, and then to you know,

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various things like the COVID and then these people breaking

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the immigration laws. It seemed like we went through cycles

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all down through the decades, and every time we come

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out of it on the other side, making stronger laws

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and getting stronger and these sorts of things. And I

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feel like that it's we're becoming a stronger nation as

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we go along, and it's even harder for the next

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group of people that want to destroy our nation from

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within or without to accomplish their task. Am I right

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around and missing something?

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Speaker 1: No? I mean that's that is one way to look

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at I mean, you're constantly battling human nature, right, I mean,

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that's that's what we're All of these things are always about.

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It's human nature. You know, no system built by humans

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is going to be perfect because man isn't perfect, right, right,

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and so any system that you build is going to have, uh,

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you know, loopholes and problems and blind spots and things

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that were not you know, fathomable when laws were you know, written,

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and then you know, fast forward one hundred years and

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there are new ways to take advantage in a mass

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power and that sort of stuff. So yeah, I mean

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it's just you're you're in a constant state.

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Speaker 2: Of change, right, I guess I guess I kind of

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maybe lawed myself into thinking that one day we would

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have everything perfected and we wouldn't have to face these shows. Now.

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But we I'll see now that you know, we probably

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never will.

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Speaker 1: No correct, right, there will always be people that come

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along and uh and and you know, find ways to

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gain the system, find ways to take advantage, find ways

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to take power. Right you you always have to be

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maintaining it. It is a man made structure, so you

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have to maintain it. Right, So, uh, there's never a

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point where it's like, oh, thank goodness, that's all done.

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And now, ideally what you have is enough people that

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tend to the infrastructure at any given time. But you

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don't need, you know, somebody to do with their entire life,

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you know, like you can just have people that come in,

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they can help tend to it and then cycle out.

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Like that's the idea. You will always have enough people

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that care enough about preserving the infrastructure to maintain it

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and to defend it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate it, all right, Well.

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Speaker 1: I'm a giver. I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Ray.

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Speaker 1: That's what I do. You know, I solve the world's

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problems here every day from noon to three. So back

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to the article out of Brevard, out of the trent

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Sylvania Times. The city of Brevard felt compelled to write

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a letter publicly after individuals and organizations approached local officials

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to voice concerns. So you know they're leftists because leftists

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always void concerns, right, They're never like, you know, angry,

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protesting and you know whatever, challenging or attacking law enforce

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or elected officials. Right, they're just voicing concerns in Yes,

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shrill and hysterical ways, but they were voicing concerns about immigration.

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This is according to the mayor, Maureen Koppoloff. She told

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the council that some immigrants, notably Hispanics, have expressed a

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fear of going to school, grocery stores, and even churches,

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which kind of seems racisty to me that she identified

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them by their race like that. But yeah, okay, we'll

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get into it in a minute. All right. If you're

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listening to this show, you know I try to keep

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up with all sorts of current events, and I know

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more transparent. Reading from the story at the Transylvania Times

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by David Bradley about how the Bravard City Council and

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mayor wrote a letter open letter, read it into their

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meeting minutes at their meeting on Monday, and they're like, look,

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the police Department, the Bravard PD. The BPD isn't going

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to be asking your immigration status. Okay, We're not doing

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the deportations, and we stand with you. There's a quote

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from Councilman Gary Daniel who says, quote e pluribus unum

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out of many one, to have a large portion of

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our population living in fear is terrible. To deny any

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group of people, The American dream is to deny the

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heritage and history that made this country great. Wait a minute,

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to deny any group of people the American Dream. To

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deny any any group, so open borders, so we're not

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allowed to have any kind of immigration laws at all.

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This is always an interesting thought experiment to run with

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people who makes statements like this same thing with like

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you know, teacher pay or per pupil expenditure. Just ask them, all, right, well,

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what's the number, what's the optimal number on immigration? What's

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the optimal number? How many people should America take in

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every year?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: And the it's been a while since I've seen it,

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but the polling that I saw several years ago on this,

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when you ask people these kinds of open ended questions,

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the majority of people peg the number at somewhere in

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like the one or two hundred thousand range. That's what

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they think should be the number. They have no idea.

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It's like over a million legal that's legal, one million

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a year illegal is on top of that. Okay. And

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so to say that to deny any group of people

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the American dream, you are espousing an open borders philosophy.

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So the next question should be is how many people

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should we not deny? Right, you can't deny anybody. You

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shouldn't deny any group of people the American dream. So

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how many is that? Anybody that can get across the border?

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What about the people who don't have the privilege of

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crossing by land?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Unfortunately, for most of the globe's population, they can't simply

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go across our borders on foot. They have to get

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on a boat or a plane or something. So should

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we be running flights to allow them to get in? Right?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Where does this stop? What is the limiting principle? Haha,

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trick question. There is no limiting principle to leftism? He added,

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This town or city councilman Gary Daniel added quote, this

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is a small statement from a small town, but it's

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something we all have to do to stand up to

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protect our neighbors who are breaking the law. I'm just kidding.

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I eded that last part. Then there was counsel Lauren

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Wise who said, the statement shows that Brevard is a

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community quote of one heart, and it doesn't. Actually, it

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doesn't say that. Your statement cannot say that because your

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statement does not represent every single person's heart in Brevard. Again,

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the arrogance to think that you and your six whatever

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colleagues on the council speak for every single person in

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Brevard that's ludicrous. But he says, Lauren says, shows that

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Brevard is a community of one heart and does not

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care what someone looks like or about where they came from.

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Well wait a minute, who said anything about the way

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somebody looks What do you talk? This is what I mean. Like,

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there's so much projection on the left on these issues.

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They project on to like why do you think that

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immigration is only about a racial demographic. This can be

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about anybody from any country. The key phrase here is illegal.

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That's the point. Doesn't matter from what country they came.

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If they are here illegally, they are illegal, and their

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race is irrelevant. It does not matter. But you see

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illegal alien as some sort of euphemism for what Hispanics

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or non white people or what like. I don't even

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know what this person is saying. They said, quote, in

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our community, we value our citizens. No you don't, No,

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you don't. This is oh sorry, this is a councilman

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Mac Morrow who said, in our community we value our citizens.

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They're not citizens. Like, that's right there in the definition

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of the word too, like a citizen is not a

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non citizen. A non citizen would fall under the category

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of illegal alien. Legal alien, resident alien. Right, there are

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all sorts of different categories. People on a tourist visa,

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not a citizen. This is very Margaret Brennan. Margaret Brennan,

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you know, one of the first examples of the damassary

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of the year, and she says that the Holocaust was

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created by free speech. That's how that happened. Free speech.

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It's stupid, and that's what this is. You don't know

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the things that you're talking about, and you're writing statements

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saying that you're of one heart and such. It hurts

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to think that they local immigrants. It hurts to think

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that they are anxious. If they are here legally, they

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have no reason to be anxious. If they are breaking

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the law, then they might. By the way, one last

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point here on the McFadden Gary not my fault McFadden,

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the sheriff of Mecklemburg County who says he doesn't need

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to call ICE when he's about to release some criminal

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illegal alien when ICE makes its detainer request. When they

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send the detainer, they say in their write up on

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their website, an immigration detainer serves three purposes, and purpose

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number two is to request information from a law enforcement

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agency about an alien's impending release, so ICE may assume

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custody in a safe environment before the alien is released

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from the law enforcement agency's custody. That's the purpose. Let

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us know before you let them go. That's the reason

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for the detainer. And he won't do it, all right,

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that'll do it for this episode. Thank you so much

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for listening. I could not do the show without your

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and don't break anything while I'm gone.