1 00:00:01,800 --> 00:00:05,200 Speaker 1: The following presentation is Del Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:08,359 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to the fact Hunter Radio Network. 3 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 3: Here is your host, George Hobbs. 4 00:00:15,359 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 4: Welcome back truth seekers from around the world. It's time 5 00:00:19,359 --> 00:00:23,480 for a special Friday edition of The fact Hunner. It's Friday, 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:28,160 December nineteenth, twenty twenty five. This is a special podcast 7 00:00:28,719 --> 00:00:33,359 slash substack edition. They both released at five am, featuring 8 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:38,640 the Amy Gonzales story and our good friend Rudy Davis 9 00:00:38,719 --> 00:00:43,880 from Yearjubilee dot com who worked so tiresly with the 10 00:00:44,039 --> 00:00:48,439 Jeremy Brown case and got me connected with Jeremy and 11 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,000 his wife. And you heard the interviews from jail, and 12 00:00:52,039 --> 00:00:55,439 you're going to hear Amy speaking from prison which was 13 00:00:55,520 --> 00:00:57,359 recorded just two days ago. 14 00:00:57,679 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 5: And this is. 15 00:01:03,159 --> 00:01:07,079 Speaker 4: Such a mind blowing story that someone got life in 16 00:01:07,159 --> 00:01:11,840 prison for cyber stalking, right that Amy Gonzalez was in 17 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:17,000 Texas when the heinous murders went down in Delaware. And 18 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:24,680 again before I played the audio of Leonor Mathusowitz ninety 19 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,200 days before she died of brain cancer and the sensing 20 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,239 was handed down I think three days after her brain 21 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,719 cancer surgery. And again we'll have an audio from Amy 22 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:40,959 that was recorded in prison just two days ago. Take 23 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:45,040 in what you're about to hear, because again, what happened 24 00:01:45,079 --> 00:01:47,760 was tragic, but it's also precedent setting. 25 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 5: Right. 26 00:01:48,159 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 4: In the United States of America, life in prison was 27 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:58,959 imposed for cyber stalking, not murder, not manslaughter, life in 28 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,599 prison for cyber stalking. 29 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 5: Right. 30 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:04,719 Speaker 4: He Be Gonzalez was living and working full time as 31 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:08,719 a registered nurse in Texas in twenty thirteen when two 32 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:12,439 women were you know, just tragically murdered in the Newcastle 33 00:02:12,479 --> 00:02:15,280 County Courthouse in Delaware, you know, forty five minutes from 34 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:20,000 where I sit. She was not there, She did not 35 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:23,280 plan it, she didn't pull a trigger, She committed no 36 00:02:23,479 --> 00:02:29,719 violent crime. The shooter was her father, Thomas Matthuswitz. He 37 00:02:29,759 --> 00:02:34,840 acted alone. He murdered two people in the courthouse lobby, 38 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,280 and then sadly took his own life, right, And we're 39 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,159 not here to dispute those facts. What we're talking about 40 00:02:41,159 --> 00:02:44,960 today is everything that came after. Instead of stopping with 41 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,159 the man who committed the murders, the federal government, you know, 42 00:02:49,159 --> 00:02:52,000 along with the state of government, the state of Delaware, 43 00:02:52,039 --> 00:02:56,840 pardon me, and oh, by the way, bo Biden, you know, 44 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:05,919 expanded culpability and the lines the rules of law. I 45 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,199 guess turning online this is what I'm trying to get 46 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,159 across to people today, is this is going to be 47 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,759 a precedent down the road for people who say things 48 00:03:17,319 --> 00:03:20,280 that go against the narrative and then someone commits a crime. Well, 49 00:03:20,319 --> 00:03:23,240 if anybody said this online, they're going to get in 50 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:25,719 trouble because they encouraged it. 51 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 5: Right, That's what this is. 52 00:03:30,319 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 4: Turning online speech, family conflict association in a something punishable 53 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:41,599 by prison life in prison. Mayban Gauzalez was convicted of 54 00:03:41,599 --> 00:03:46,319 cyber stalking and conspiracy charges and sentenced to life in 55 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:51,639 a federal system where parole does not exist. To date, 56 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,919 no other cyber stalking case in American history two hundred 57 00:03:56,000 --> 00:04:02,120 and fifty years has ever resulted in a life not one. 58 00:04:02,759 --> 00:04:07,080 But here's another critical point that was not addressed during 59 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:13,639 the trial. Whatsoever Thomas Matusowitz had menengiomis in his front 60 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,360 left lobe. 61 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:17,879 Speaker 5: That is the area of the brain. 62 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:25,079 Speaker 4: Responsible for judgment, impulse control, decision making, and aggression. That matters. 63 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:31,160 It matters medically, neurologically, and oh yeah, legally, But what happened? 64 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:36,720 The jury never heard expert testimony explaining how a frontal 65 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:41,360 lobe tumor can radically impair behavior. And there's hundreds, if 66 00:04:41,399 --> 00:04:46,480 not thousands, of case studies available. Not one neurologist, not 67 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:51,240 one psychiatrist, not one medical expert, only a brief stipulation 68 00:04:51,959 --> 00:04:55,360 describing the location and size of the tumors with no 69 00:04:55,480 --> 00:05:00,120 explanation of their implications. The soul shooter's mental and neurologic 70 00:05:00,199 --> 00:05:04,800 condition was never fully represented to the jury, and that humission. 71 00:05:05,759 --> 00:05:07,199 Speaker 5: Is just gaping. Right. 72 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:10,439 Speaker 4: But again, another detail that matters is who was in 73 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,240 charge at the time of this prosecution. Bo Biden was 74 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:19,000 the Attorney General of Delaware, and it's important to remember 75 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:22,000 that a Biden who has connections to the federal government. 76 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,240 These things are long in place, long before they're used. 77 00:05:25,319 --> 00:05:25,480 Speaker 1: Right. 78 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,319 Speaker 4: We talk about Reagan the nineteen eighty six Vaccine Act, right, 79 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,439 and now they used it forty years later for warp speed. 80 00:05:35,199 --> 00:05:37,839 And I'm telling you, when they lay the hammer down, 81 00:05:38,639 --> 00:05:42,680 this is going to be a precedent cyberstalking life since. 82 00:05:43,959 --> 00:05:49,040 And again, whether people view bo Biden as a public 83 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:55,240 servant or a political hitman, it's interesting here in Delaware 84 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,120 how he's looked at. He has looked at differently than 85 00:05:58,199 --> 00:06:01,439 Joe Biden, et cetera. But the reality remains that this 86 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:07,079 is unprecedented prosecution and sentencing occurred well the state's top. 87 00:06:06,959 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 5: Law official, watch Right. 88 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 4: This was a huge case. I was in the Middle 89 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:17,399 East when this was all going on, far away from Delaware. 90 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:22,879 Was never on my radar. But it's important that it 91 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:29,279 created precedent. Right, and this case doesn't just punish past behavior, 92 00:06:29,399 --> 00:06:35,040 it reshapes the future. By stretching cyberstalking statutes to include 93 00:06:35,199 --> 00:06:40,399 indirect consequences caused by a third party, the government has 94 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:45,439 now opened the door to a terrifying legal theory that 95 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:50,120 speech can be criminally liable for violence that you had 96 00:06:50,199 --> 00:06:53,680 nothing to do with, if the authorities decide your words 97 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:58,160 contributed to a narrative that they find unacceptable. And this 98 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:02,279 should alarm every single person in this country, no matter 99 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,839 if you're a Republican, a Democrat, a libertarian, or someone 100 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,439 like me who was you know, just washed her hands 101 00:07:09,439 --> 00:07:12,399 of everything. But the problem is, once that line is crossed, 102 00:07:12,439 --> 00:07:16,240 it's not going to stop with this family. It applies 103 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:20,199 to journalists whistleblowers. I fall into both of those categories. 104 00:07:20,519 --> 00:07:23,399 Next week, some of the nonprofits I drop are going 105 00:07:23,439 --> 00:07:26,519 to blow your mind. One of the jingles you hear 106 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,959 all the time on the radio in your car, and 107 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:32,920 the other one used to watch every labor day back 108 00:07:32,959 --> 00:07:37,079 in the day. They're going to blow your mind. But 109 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:42,680 anyone who challenges a dominant narrative is going to fall 110 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:47,240 to this. And again, if speech can be retroactively blamed 111 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:50,319 for tragedy, then our speech is no longer free. And 112 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,879 that's a big problem. And that is the precedent that 113 00:07:53,959 --> 00:07:58,079 this case sets. But it didn't stop with Amy. Her mother, Leonore, 114 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:01,800 was sentenced to life in prison from a hospital bed, 115 00:08:02,319 --> 00:08:08,240 just three days after undergoing emergency brain cancer surgery. Pardon me, 116 00:08:08,319 --> 00:08:10,639 emergency brain cancer surgery. And I'm going to. 117 00:08:10,639 --> 00:08:12,399 Speaker 5: Play the audio with that sentencing, right. 118 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,199 Speaker 4: She was rushed through sentencing so she could become the 119 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:21,120 first person in America sentenced to life for cyberstalking. Three 120 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:28,600 months later, she was dead. That's something far more nefarious 121 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:33,639 than simply justice. And Amy Gonzalez has been incarcerated since 122 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,480 August twenty thirteen. I believe she's in a federal prison 123 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,919 in Texas. I have her information on the substack article 124 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,399 and I'll post it in the show notes as well. 125 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,399 She was a registered nurse, a breast cancer survivor, a wife, 126 00:08:49,399 --> 00:08:53,919 a mother, never convicted of a violent crime, and her 127 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,639 sentence was life. So what you're about to hear next 128 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,600 is both Amy Gonzalez speaking from inside of federal prison. First, 129 00:09:02,919 --> 00:09:08,440 we're going to play her mother's hospital sentencing from a 130 00:09:08,519 --> 00:09:13,360 hospital bed three days after her surgery, which was very 131 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:16,759 awkward to listen to. But I want you to ask 132 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:21,320 you does this punishment fit the crime? Ask yourself whether 133 00:09:21,399 --> 00:09:26,200 this precedent is one that you want standing when the 134 00:09:26,279 --> 00:09:31,519 next controversial case comes along, because life for cyberstalking is 135 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:37,480 not proportional, it is not humane. And again, guys, once 136 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:39,840 a line like this is crossed, you know they never 137 00:09:39,879 --> 00:09:43,159 take it back, whether it's nine to eleven, the Patriot 138 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:47,200 Act and everything we saw in twenty twenty and again, 139 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:50,720 I want to reinforce this before I play this audio. 140 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,360 I just want to acknowledge Rudy Davis of Year of 141 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,080 Jubilee dot com and his link will be in the 142 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,519 show notes too. He has worked tiresly for so many 143 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:08,600 people who have been wrongly sentenced, wrongly convicted. And I 144 00:10:08,639 --> 00:10:11,759 mean to say he works titled. He probably spends eighteen 145 00:10:11,799 --> 00:10:15,840 hours a day working for these people. And he's a servant. 146 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,039 Speaker 5: Of Jesus Christ. He truly is. 147 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 4: But he has worked tirelessly to keep Amy Gonzalez case 148 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,080 in the public eye when most people stop paying attention. 149 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,519 And he emailed me again two days ago, and I 150 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:28,519 owe it to him to do this. I looked at 151 00:10:28,519 --> 00:10:31,879 it and it's just it's alarming. Right by the way, again, 152 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,879 Rudy brought that same persistence and courage that we did too. 153 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,639 We joined on and it helped lead to Jeremy Brown's 154 00:10:38,639 --> 00:10:42,519 pardon early this year. Right, we will continue to stand 155 00:10:42,639 --> 00:10:45,720 where many will not. So God bless you, Rudy, And 156 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,120 without any further ado, the first audio we're going to 157 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,840 play is a federal judge you don't actually hear the sentencing, 158 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:54,159 which I don't know why Delaware Online didn't include that. 159 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,000 But at the end of this, a federal judge sentenced 160 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:03,399 Leonor Matusowitz to life in prison at an emergency hearing 161 00:11:03,399 --> 00:11:07,039 because they wanted to make sure again that the sentence 162 00:11:07,159 --> 00:11:11,080 was handed down before she died. This is she is 163 00:11:11,159 --> 00:11:14,960 sitting in a hospital bed in Philadelphia as this is 164 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:16,200 being read to her. 165 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:21,159 Speaker 6: Missus mantissuwits I noted. 166 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 5: That you're here in your hospital bed. 167 00:11:23,399 --> 00:11:26,919 Speaker 6: But this is the point in a proceeding where if 168 00:11:26,919 --> 00:11:29,440 someone would like, they can address the judge. 169 00:11:29,639 --> 00:11:31,159 Speaker 5: And there may be many things on. 170 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 6: Your mind, man, and many things that you would want 171 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,840 to say, But what I would ask you to limit 172 00:11:35,879 --> 00:11:39,360 yourself to is anything you think I need to hear 173 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,399 as a judge before imposing a sentence. 174 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,519 Speaker 5: That would really be what i'd ask you to focus on. 175 00:11:44,879 --> 00:11:49,120 Is there anything you would like to say on that subject, man, Yes, sir. 176 00:11:50,159 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: My husband was at the SUNA for several years in 177 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,080 violentin Jersey. He always said that I was too good 178 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,879 and that he was He had to find a way 179 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:09,120 to bring me down or make me look bad or whatever. 180 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,840 So he said he does going to find a way 181 00:12:12,879 --> 00:12:22,000 to do that. Obviously he did, and I don't know 182 00:12:22,039 --> 00:12:32,039 why he did what he did. He h He hated 183 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:37,519 the fact that Christine didn't love David, she only loved 184 00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,960 his money, and that she didn't love their children. He 185 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:45,960 couldn't understand that because he and I both believed that 186 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:51,279 children were gifts from God, and if you get a 187 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:56,480 gift from God, you loved them. But he didn't. She 188 00:12:56,519 --> 00:13:07,879 didn't love them, and he couldn't understand that anyway, when 189 00:13:08,039 --> 00:13:14,759 she when she started hurting them. 190 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:19,639 Speaker 6: This is beyond sentencing now, ma'am. Okay, that was part 191 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,159 of the trial in the case, and there has been 192 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:23,960 evidence about all those things. 193 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,039 Speaker 5: And we're now at a point though. 194 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 6: Where based upon a jury verdict, I must consider a sentence, 195 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,440 and so could I ask you please to focus on that. 196 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I understand. 197 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,759 Speaker 6: Is there anything I need to hear as the judge 198 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:39,919 before pronouncing a sentence? 199 00:13:41,639 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: Okay? As a policeman, my husband wouldn't tell me anything 200 00:13:47,639 --> 00:13:51,240 that he was working on. He said, you've been read 201 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,320 it in the newspaper. You don't need to know the 202 00:13:54,320 --> 00:14:01,960 rest of the facts. As part of his is decision 203 00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:07,120 to kill Christine, he never told any of us about that. 204 00:14:08,159 --> 00:14:11,200 He just did it and that was the way he was. 205 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,559 I don't know it from the Veninzuoma. I don't know 206 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,759 if it was part of his training, but he just 207 00:14:20,879 --> 00:14:25,039 did what he did and none of us knew what 208 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:25,720 was coming. 209 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:27,919 Speaker 5: All right, anything else you'd like me to here? 210 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,159 Speaker 1: Then, I'm a Catholic and I would like to be 211 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:38,919 less before I am disposed. 212 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:42,879 Speaker 6: Of That is beyond my jurisdiction, but I'm sure the family, 213 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,039 and I'm sure that if you are in the custody 214 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:49,960 of the Bureau of Prisons, they will honor that request. 215 00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:52,399 Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say. 216 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,159 Speaker 6: I understand, thank you, missmatiulates is there eight other ones 217 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,159 or anything else that you. 218 00:14:57,279 --> 00:14:59,759 Speaker 5: Would like to address of court. No, you're a thank you, 219 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:00,679 mister McCall. 220 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 7: Just very briefly, your honor. It's our position throughout this 221 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:08,279 case that Christine Belford loved her children, took excellent care 222 00:15:08,279 --> 00:15:11,120 of her children, and was an excellent mother who did 223 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,080 not deserve the fate in which she found herself. 224 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 6: And I understand the government's position in that regard. And 225 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:19,759 I would have to add I believe the jury in 226 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:22,759 his verdict, not only understood the government's position in that regard, 227 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,679 but specifically gained such a finding that Christine Belford was 228 00:15:26,759 --> 00:15:29,720 a good mother, and that Christine Belford in no way 229 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:33,080 abused her children, and that Christine Belford did not deserve 230 00:15:33,159 --> 00:15:34,279 the faith that she met. 231 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:40,559 Speaker 4: And next, we're going to play Amy Gonzalez again. This 232 00:15:40,759 --> 00:15:44,720 was from December sixteenth, twenty twenty five. This runs about 233 00:15:44,799 --> 00:15:45,320 nine minutes. 234 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 8: My name is Amy Gonzales, and until twelve years ago 235 00:15:49,399 --> 00:15:51,440 I had never been in trouble with the law. I 236 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,840 had been a registered nurse. There's nineteen ninety two, a wife, 237 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,440 a mother, a sister, and a woman committed to saving lives, 238 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:01,759 not taking them. Today, I am serving life in federal 239 00:16:01,799 --> 00:16:05,399 prison without parole for crimes I did not commit, crimes 240 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,720 connected to a tragedy caused by my father, whose long 241 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:13,120 standing brain tumor had profoundly affected his judgment. My federal 242 00:16:13,159 --> 00:16:18,799 case number is one thirteen CR. Eighty three GAM three 243 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,399 in the United States District Court of Delaware. I right 244 00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:26,720 now because I am out of option, yet still determined 245 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,000 to fight for my freedom after twelve years of incarceration 246 00:16:30,159 --> 00:16:35,600 without without a single disclinarian fraction. I'm asking not for money, 247 00:16:35,679 --> 00:16:38,639 but for political and moral support, for someone willing to 248 00:16:38,639 --> 00:16:41,360 look deeper into the facts of my case to recognize 249 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,080 the profound injustice that has taken place my life before 250 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,159 the tragedy. For twenty six years, I have been married 251 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:51,480 to my soulmate want. We raised two children. My daughter 252 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:55,279 Tatiana now twenty and my son Christopher, now thirty four, 253 00:16:56,279 --> 00:16:58,840 met more than a decade without their mother. At the 254 00:16:58,879 --> 00:17:01,799 time of my arrest, I was the sole financial provider 255 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,119 and working full time as a nurse, even while battling 256 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,440 breast cancer and undergoing multiple surgeries. I'm also the sister 257 00:17:09,559 --> 00:17:13,839 of David Matuthois, an optometrist who once owned a thriving practice, 258 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:18,519 even went through a painful divorce from his wife, Christine Belford. 259 00:17:19,079 --> 00:17:21,920 Our family became deeply concerned about the well being of 260 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:25,359 the three daughters. They shared if the children were being 261 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,200 physically and sexually abused. Following the advice of a national 262 00:17:29,279 --> 00:17:33,160 organization called Unite for Justice, we posted our concerns online 263 00:17:33,279 --> 00:17:36,680 in hopes it would prompt intervention and protection for the girls. 264 00:17:37,079 --> 00:17:39,960 It was a desperate attempt to help children we genuinely 265 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:44,839 believe were in danger. Decision that changed everything. I think 266 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,720 had a fear and desperation and convinced that the children 267 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:50,400 were unfathed my brother and my mother, who led the 268 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:53,920 country with David's daughters. I truly believed that my brother 269 00:17:54,079 --> 00:17:58,000 an intelligent. This call is from a federal prison. I 270 00:17:58,079 --> 00:18:01,599 truly believed that my brother an intelligi's education driven man 271 00:18:01,839 --> 00:18:05,440 felt this was the only way to protect them. Nevertheless, 272 00:18:05,599 --> 00:18:08,599 both he and my mother were arrested, returned to the US, 273 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:12,839 and convicted of international frenchal kidnapping and endangering the welfare 274 00:18:12,839 --> 00:18:15,880 of a child. Nothing that Foley could have been predicted 275 00:18:16,759 --> 00:18:21,559 tragedy at the courthouse on February eleventh, twenty thirteen, while 276 00:18:21,599 --> 00:18:24,640 suffering from a massive left frontal lobement in Gioma he 277 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:28,519 had battled since nineteen ninety, my father, Thomas Mattooswitz, made 278 00:18:28,519 --> 00:18:32,920 a catastrophic, incomprehensible decision, shot and killed my former sister 279 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,279 in law, Christine Dlford and her friends Laura Lawford, and 280 00:18:36,319 --> 00:18:38,000 then took his own life in the lobby of the 281 00:18:38,039 --> 00:18:43,240 Delaware Courthouse. My father's impairments, his memory loss, distorted judgment, 282 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,240 impaired reasoning, and episodes of aggression were never fully presented 283 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:52,319 at trial. Medical expert prepared to testify never reached the stand. 284 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,680 Only a two setence stipulation was read to the jury, 285 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,240 noting the location in size of his tumor. I've lived 286 00:18:59,279 --> 00:19:01,640 every day wishing I could undo what happened, but none 287 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,680 of us had the power to foresee or prevent his actions. 288 00:19:05,559 --> 00:19:09,319 In dightment trial and life sentences. Still in Shock and Greece, 289 00:19:09,559 --> 00:19:12,400 my mother, brother and I were invited for cyber stalking 290 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:17,200 resulting in death he received to commit cyberstalkings, interstate stalking, 291 00:19:17,279 --> 00:19:21,319 and aiding and abetting my father. I sed for constitutional 292 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,880 right to a trial, and we lost. All three of 293 00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,319 us were sentenced to life in federal prisons with no 294 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:31,480 possibility of parole. Real prison life is not symbolic. Life 295 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:36,079 means death behind bars. For mother's death in prison, mother 296 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,359 Lenor Matoswitz, was sentenced in a hospital bed only ten 297 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,720 days after bring tumor surgery. Officials arranged in emergency sentencing 298 00:19:43,839 --> 00:19:46,799 in case she died beforehand. The audio of it was 299 00:19:46,839 --> 00:19:49,480 posted online for the world to hear. Her final words 300 00:19:49,519 --> 00:19:52,759 recorded and exposed. She was given just three months to live. 301 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:56,480 Instead of being granted compassionate release, she was placed on 302 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,640 hospice in a prison cell. She died in agony on 303 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,359 Mother's weekend in two thousy sixteen. My brother and I 304 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,559 continue to fight for justice, but the legal resistance is overwhelming. 305 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:10,000 Our case is presidential, meaning that ger returning it would 306 00:20:10,039 --> 00:20:14,400 impact others facing similar charges. We have become political casualties 307 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,799 of a much larger legal battle. Domino effect on my 308 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,440 family tragedy didn't end at the courthouse. It spread through 309 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,359 every corner of my family's life. 310 00:20:23,599 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: When I was. 311 00:20:24,079 --> 00:20:27,559 Speaker 8: Arrested, Chris Christopher was only eighteen. I was in the 312 00:20:27,559 --> 00:20:30,960 middle of rolling him in college. Devastated and alone, he 313 00:20:31,039 --> 00:20:34,039 fell into depression and moved back to New Jersey. By 314 00:20:34,039 --> 00:20:36,359 God's grace, he still managed to complete a degree in 315 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,920 computer analysis. Vaughn and our daughter, Tasiana, only seven at 316 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,039 the time, remained alone in Texas with no family for support. 317 00:20:45,279 --> 00:20:47,680 Entire retirement fund was spent just to keep them in 318 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,079 our home, but after four years they were forced to 319 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,599 sell it. Ripped into my parents' old double white trailer, 320 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,799 which was badly in need of repairs. An now survives 321 00:20:56,839 --> 00:20:59,960 only on fifteen thousand dollars a year in SSI disability 322 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:05,799 why while battling depression, panic attacks, PTSD, anxiety, and agoraphobia. 323 00:21:06,279 --> 00:21:11,319 After the collapse of this entire family, Autiana has suffered emotionally, spiritually, 324 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,920 and financially. Our faith once anchored our family, but this 325 00:21:15,079 --> 00:21:18,480 trauma shattered hers. The hardest part of my incarceration has 326 00:21:18,519 --> 00:21:21,519 been watching my daughters use her belief in God. The 327 00:21:21,559 --> 00:21:24,559 hardest part of sorry. Fifteen minute phone calls cannot replace 328 00:21:24,599 --> 00:21:27,920 a mother's presence. I missed every milestone of her first 329 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:33,200 period or first heartbreak, her first achievements relied on the 330 00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:37,000 kindness of others. For mothers to guide her when I couldn't, 331 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,880 like Clarissa, who gently explained to my daughter the changes 332 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,400 of growing up and angel and angels. Like Missus Brea, 333 00:21:44,519 --> 00:21:47,720 her middle school English teacher, who read Taziana's essay titled 334 00:21:48,079 --> 00:21:52,680 something Traumatic in My Life. Tatiana broke down crying. Missus 335 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,319 Sara embraced her and later paid eight hundred dollars out 336 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,119 of her own pocket so Taziana could join her classmates 337 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,359 on a school trip to university about her My daughter 338 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:07,319 would have stayed home, excluded again way of Greece after 339 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,640 the core House shooting. I was allowed only one week 340 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,559 off to greeb and exhausted my PTO on breast cancer surgery. 341 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:17,279 After long shifts at the hospital, I cried on the 342 00:22:17,279 --> 00:22:20,720 back porch, my daughter finding me and asking when her Grandma, 343 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,000 Uncle Dave and pop Up would come home. A month later, 344 00:22:24,079 --> 00:22:26,640 I took her to my parents' ranch and explained for 345 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,799 the first time what death meant, that we would not 346 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,359 see pop Up and again until Heaven. Our scream, the 347 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:35,519 kind of scream that comes to a child's soul, will 348 00:22:35,559 --> 00:22:39,440 halt me forever. When my father's belonged me for returns, 349 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,400 I found Tottown as kindergarten graduation. The photo in his 350 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:47,599 wallet buried it everywhere. Buyers for Disney trips continued to 351 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,319 arrive in the mail vacations. He planned to take her on, 352 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:54,079 but never would, worried he had neglected her by not 353 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,880 taking her like he had his other grandchildren. Where I 354 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,960 stand today, twelve years have passed. I have worked in 355 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,680 clerical and leadership roles in prison, maintained perfect disciplinary conduct, 356 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,160 and held on to faith that someone would finally look 357 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,519 at this case and with courage and clarity. I cannot 358 00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:16,200 change my father's actions. I am deeply, profoundly sorry for 359 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,880 the life loss. I pray for Christine and Laura's families 360 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:25,519 every day. I have seen people convicted. I pray for 361 00:23:25,599 --> 00:23:30,079 Christine and Laura's families, but said I did not intend, encourage, 362 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,680 or foresee violence of any kind. People convicted of murder, 363 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:38,119 of rape, and brutal assaults received far lighter senses than mine. 364 00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:41,799 I mentioned this not to diminish tragedy, but to illuminate 365 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,000 the magnitude of injustice in my own situation. Thease help us. 366 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,079 My brother and I are running out of options. If 367 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,359 then denied repeatedly in higher courts, without outside support, without 368 00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,720 someone brave enough to examine what truly happened, we fear 369 00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:59,759 we will die in prison like our mother. If you 370 00:23:59,839 --> 00:24:03,319 are case documents on PACER, I also share evidence and 371 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:08,319 information on my website www dot Year of Jubilee dot 372 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,480 com slash Amy's I E A R O S j 373 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,759 U b I l e dot com slash A M Y. 374 00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:19,880 I am a mother. I'm a woman, a mother, a wife, 375 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,559 a nurse, and a breast cancer survivor. I am also 376 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:25,200 a human being who is broken, who has endured a 377 00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:29,680 measurable loss and historical youth and justice. Please help us 378 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:35,319 and help us enough, respectfully, Amy Catalas wife's mother, registered 379 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,559 Nurses nineteen ninety two at Press, Cancer Survivor. Thank you 380 00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:41,279 for your time, and I thank you for letting me 381 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,720 read this, and I thank you for hearing news call. 382 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: It's from a federal prison, and there you go. 383 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,759 Speaker 4: It's kind of odd hearing it, just like we heard 384 00:24:52,839 --> 00:24:58,440 the same recordings from Jeremy. Typically for federal cyberstalking under 385 00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:04,039 US Code six, the maximum sentence is typically five years 386 00:25:04,079 --> 00:25:09,640 in prison. There was a case that had aggravating factors. 387 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,400 A person received ten years, but again this case set 388 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,279 a new precedent and can now be extended to life 389 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:25,400 in prison if it results in death. And again it's 390 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:32,279 a dangerous, dangerous precedence and obviously prayers to all involved. 391 00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:37,599 This incident that took place a decade over a decade ago, 392 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:42,119 still has so many ramifications and affected so many lives. 393 00:25:42,279 --> 00:25:45,160 So there you go. God bless you all. Thank you 394 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,119 for taking that, for taking the time to listen. I 395 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,759 would hope that you would take a moment subscribe to 396 00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:55,799 the sub stack. We have a lot more, just some 397 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,000 mind blowing information coming out next week on a few 398 00:25:59,079 --> 00:26:00,440 nonprofits and. 399 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 5: More podcasts coming away. God bless each and every. 400 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 4: One of you. Keep your head on a swivel and 401 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:07,440 Christ in your heart. 402 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:09,039 Speaker 5: Have a great weekend. We'll see you. 403 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 9: I know it's been a struggle. I don't know you've 404 00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:25,039 had spain. I know you feel the tied, tell doubt 405 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:25,680 all the way. 406 00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:33,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't you feel it? You smile, ain't the same 407 00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:40,720 I saw were gone from you. I feel like you've 408 00:26:40,839 --> 00:26:44,559 lost your way. 409 00:26:45,559 --> 00:26:50,559 Speaker 10: Don't give it, no, don't give it. Never is home 410 00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:55,200 don't let go the Primise eat ain't done yet, he's 411 00:26:55,319 --> 00:26:56,359 got I'm glad. 412 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,279 Speaker 11: Wow, it's a way. 413 00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 8: God let me come? 414 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,039 Speaker 1: What right. 415 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 8: He called? 416 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:20,599 Speaker 9: I can see the street beside you. Childs are putting 417 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,480 up the five. Oh you're stronger than anything. 418 00:27:26,039 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 10: You are. 419 00:27:27,599 --> 00:27:32,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gone and be all right. You're accepting a 420 00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:37,960 dead ni beautiful, you're shoving ride. 421 00:27:39,559 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, you're living, breathing, moveing. You can hold your. 422 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,839 Speaker 9: Head a pie. 423 00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 11: Don't give up, No, don't give in. Neverthless home. Don't 424 00:27:55,039 --> 00:27:59,640 they gone on the Primis? It ain't done yet, it's gone. 425 00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:05,880 Speaker 10: I want some wainetail. The God of mem Come. Don't 426 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:10,599 give up, No, don't give in, never on this home. 427 00:28:10,759 --> 00:28:15,000 Don't let go on the Primise. It ain't kind of life. 428 00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:16,160 It's worth living. 429 00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 11: Wat's a play town? 430 00:28:18,759 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 5: The God of Babel. 431 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:33,559 Speaker 11: Why a play down? Contam cold? Oh yeah, what's a 432 00:28:33,759 --> 00:28:53,160 play down? The god baby Colt? Oh yeah, gottam cold? Oh, 433 00:28:53,519 --> 00:28:56,200 don't give up, No, don't give in. 434 00:28:57,559 --> 00:28:58,559 Speaker 2: Never's home? 435 00:28:58,759 --> 00:28:59,359 Speaker 1: Do they go? 436 00:28:59,839 --> 00:29:01,559 Speaker 11: The Primise me? 437 00:29:02,279 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 2: Don yas got up? Playing waits and God of if 438 00:29:08,519 --> 00:29:14,559 it calls, don't give no dog giving any never hold, 439 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:17,440 don't let go of the primes. 440 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:23,359 Speaker 9: Getting done of his what living Watson and the God 441 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,119 of anchors. 442 00:29:30,599 --> 00:29:37,559 Speaker 11: Ah, the God of needs. 443 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,319 Speaker 2: Waits, the God of a. 444 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,519 Speaker 4: You're listening to the Fact Hunter Radio Network. 445 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:53,759 Speaker 8: Just the facts, ma'am.