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of this show, its host, or any of the companies
they represent. Now today on the show, we have near
death experiencer Anita Marianji, and Anita's story is unlike any
other near death experience we've had on the show before.
She was able to have a miraculous healing of her
terminal cancer after she came back from her near death experience.
Her story is truly remarkable and I cannot wait to
share it with you. Let's dive in like to Welcome
to the show, Anita Moore, Johnny, how you doing.
Speaker 2: Anita, I'm doing great. I'm happy to be here.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the show. I've
wanted to have you on the show for a while now.
I'm so glad our schedules finally locked up that we
could do because you're busy, very busy lady, spreading the word,
helping people around the world, so I appreciate you taking
the time out to talk to our audience, and you've
had a pretty interesting journey, to say the least.
Speaker 2: Yes, the least.
Speaker 1: So can you tell first question is, can you tell
me what your life was like prior to your near
death experience where you're spiritual not spiritual? What was your
whole life like before before the diagnosis? Honestly, so, I was.
Speaker 2: Actually I thought I was really spiritual, and I didn't
realize until later, until after the near death experience, that
my spirituality actually stemmed from a place of fear. But
I was very spiritual in that I I would live
my life in a way that would reduce bad karma,
if you will. So I was always trying to be
more spiritual. I always believed, oh, I need to be
more spiritual. I need to meditate more, I need to
pray more, and I need to go to more spiritual
classes and meetings and temples and churches. You know. So
I was very conscientiously spiritual. I had a lot of
fears during that time of my life. Fears of the afterlife,
fear of disapproval, fear of disappointing people. I never felt
I was good enough, and I had always felt that
my dad was disapproving of me my entire life because
of our culture and because I was against arranged marriages.
But in our culture, women are groomed for arranged marriages,
especially at that time, the time that I grew up.
So I would try to be the good daughter. But
the thing is that there was this big part of
me that just didn't want an arranged marriage. In fact,
my parents arranged a marriage for me and I ran away,
which caused a lot of furor in our community. I
wanted to be free. I wanted to work and earn
my own money, and I wanted to travel the world.
But in our culture, your father, your dad is supposed
to take care of you until you get married, and
then your husband is supposed to take care of you.
And I was engaged to a man that I knew
did not want me to work, and they did not
approve of it. So that didn't feel right for me.
And they wanted me to continue to improve my housework
and my homemaking skills. And I'm going to admit here
that I am terrible at house square, but my worth
was measured by how good I was at housework. And
it's the same with a lot of women from my
culture at that time. This is growing up in the
eighties particularly, so that was my life before my indeed,
but I did meet an amazing man, Danny, who I married,
who was with me through the journey, and that's the
best thing that I ever did in that part of
my life.
Speaker 1: So tell me about what happened when you had your
diagnosis of cancer.
Speaker 2: So I was diagnosised, diagnosed in two thousand and two,
and it started with a lump on my literally on
my shoulder, like between my neck and my shoulder, and
it was so I went to have it checked out
and they did a biopsy and it was diagnosed as
lymphatic cancer. At that time it was staged as a
stage two and then over the years. So the thing
is what was going on for me at that time
was that my two people very close to me in
my life and the same age as me, both had cancer.
Both of them were dying of cancer. They had both
had terminal cancer. They were dying of cancer. One of
them was my best friend who's as close to me
as a sister. We grew up together, so it was
a shock when she was diagnosed. And then my husband's
brother in law, also the same age as me was diagnosed,
and so both of them were having the best or
most expensive treatments that money can buy in the best
cancer hospitals. One of them we were living in Hong Kong.
One of them was being treated in the best cancer
hospital in New York and the other one in the
best cancer hospital in Hong Kong. But both of them
continue to deteriorate, and when I from my perspective, it
looked like every time they had a treatment, they were
getting worse. So when I was diagnosed and the only
option I was given was the same treatment they were given,
you know, the chemo with the radiation, I was like, no,
I don't want that. I'm going to take my chances
with natural treatments because I am seeing these two people
very close to me are deteriorating and dying and they're
having the best treatment that money can buy in the world.
So I did opt for natural therapies. But interestingly, I
would get better and then I would get worse. I
would get better and I would get worse. And I
went through this over a period of four years, and
I reached a point where I started to really deteriorate
because it started when a doctor told me that I
had to sorry that who said that I needed to
get some scans to get real about where it's at.
And then he so, this is what's really interesting. I
was being treated by an Irevedic doctor in India, and
I was actually feeling a lot better, and the doctor
was telling me I was getting a lot better. And
so I was feeling so much better. I looked better.
Everybody said I was better. And then I fell into
the you know, I fell into again with people telling
me you need to get scans from a western, from
a real doctor, you need to go to an oile doctor.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So then so I succumbed. I went to a western
doctor who did the scans and said that said that
I was being foolish going to the Eastern doctors and everything,
and did the scans and then he told me, you
only have three months to live at this rate. And
after I heard that, my health deteriorated dramatically, like dramatically,
and I just yeah, I was then started to then stopped.
My body stopped absorbing nutrition. I lost my appetite, I
was My muscles started to deteriorate. I could not walk anymore.
My lungs were filled with fluid. I just deteriorated. I
got worse and worse and worse very rapidly. And then
on the morning of February two, two thousand and six,
I didn't wake up. I was in a coma, and
my husband was freaking out, rushed me to the hospital,
and the doctors said, this is it. She's not coming out,
she's dying. But unbeknownst to every petty here around me,
I was feeling amazing. I had left my body, my spirit,
my soul, whatever we want to call it, had actually
left my body, and I was feeling incredible and light
and free. Oh and I also want to add one
more thing is that at this point where I was at,
where I went to the doctor and everything, at this point,
the doctor actually said that whatever we have, the chemo
and everything that we have will no longer work for you.
It's too late. That's what the doctors said. They said,
you know, we can throw everything at it, but it's
too late. It's not going to save your life. They
even said that God love.
Speaker 1: Them really quickly before you get into your and near
death experience. I just think this is a really important
point to kind of to kind of dive into a
little bit is that your mindset changed by someone in
authority who you believe, and by that case, your body
reacted to what you believed was to be true. But
when you were with the Aravetic doctor, you were feeling great,
everything was moving along because he told you a different
story that you believed. You're like, you're damning healthier. I'm like,
you know what, I am getting healthier. But the second
you have three months to live, You're like, I'm dying boom,
and your entire body started to shut down based on
that those few words. Is that what happened in your opinion,
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Speaker 2: That's what I That's what it felt for me. Yes, correct,
that is what it I know, and and sometimes I
hesitate sharing that part of it so definitively and clearly
because there are people that are that have great doctors.
There are some great doctors and they being treated right now.
I don't you know, I don't want to disrupt anything
that's working for them exactly.
Speaker 1: It is a case by case basis, but it does
show the power of the mind. The placebo effect essentially one.
Speaker 2: Hundred percent and This is why I like to appeal
to doctors to please watch your words. This is the thing.
They don't realize the power they have, and I've seen
it happen time and time again. To other people who
talk to me, who share with me that my story
helped them, they say exactly the same thing what you
and I just said that they felt worse or they're
really really scared because of what their doctor told them,
but they were doing fine until they had the diagnosis.
Speaker 1: Hopefully this conversation will help a few more people along
the way. So tell me when you had you and
your death experience, you said you were feeling great. At
what point did you leave your body exactly? Do you
remember seeing your body? How did that go?
Speaker 2: So? I was aware, for example, that my husband was
rushing me to the hospital when I didn't wake up.
That was when he rushed me. He called the doctor.
The doctor said bring her to the hospital. I was
aware of everything that was going on around me, my
husband being frantic rushing me to the hospital, my family
being there, my brother, my mom, they were all there.
They were all told that these were my final hours
and that I was dying and I wasn't going to
come out of the coma, so I was aware of
everything that was happening around me, but I was also
aware that to them, I was not there, like nobody
was home. I was gone, and I was aware of that.
And it was when I was in the hospital that
I started to realize, Oh, I'm not just in my body.
I'm more than my body. And it felt like I
was expanding outside of my body, and I was, and
I started to become aware of things like what the
nurses were doing, what the doctors were doing, and I
was aware of things that were happening outside the room
and the conversations they were having. I was hearing watching
the conversations between my doctor and my husband, and that
I saw and heard the doctor tell my husband that, oh,
she's not even going to make it, you know that,
like basically said, she's not even going to make it
through through tonight and these are her final hours. And
I watched and say that, and then I felt myself
continue to expand though beyond the hospital. And the next
thing I remember is that I entered what I call
like a state of clarity. But in this state, I
was surrounded by other beings that were not on this world.
So I started to lose the awareness of the physical
of the people that were physically around me, and started
to gain awareness of people that were non physical that
were around me, and some of them I recognized as
being people I knew in this life. One of them
was my best friend who had passed from cancer. She'd
passed two years prior, and she was there to greet me.
Another one was my dad, who had passed ten years prior.
And you know, I'd always felt i'd let my dad
down and we'd always clashed and that he was disappointed
in me. But here in this other realm, all I
felt from him was pure, unconditional love, just love. And
it felt like, so we can't We don't have physical
biological bodies, we don't have vocal cords, we don't have eyes,
so it's a very different type of perception and it's
pure awareness. So my dad didn't have to speak to me.
It was I knew what he wanted me to know.
It was like his energy and mind energy just you know,
just enmeshed. We just merged together and I knew everything.
So what happens is you see them but not with
physical eyes. It's like you know that their physical body
is not there, but my awareness was able to have
images of who that is. So I would get images
of my dad as I knew him in this physical life,
but he wasn't physical. It was just his essence. And
one of the things I realized is that when we
cross over, not only do we leave behind our physical bodies,
but we also leave behind our gender, our race, our culture,
our religion, our beliefs, so many like all of this
is a here thing, not a there thing. And that's
when I realized that the only thing that crosses over
is our pure essence, and our pure essence is I
would call it pure love or pure God, or pure
source energy or pure consciousness. We can call it whatever
we want, but it's pure essence. And so here I
was with my dad's pure essence and my pure essence,
and it was like we could just merge, so I
could understand him and he could understand me. And I
understood that just as I had always believed I was
a victim of my culture, he was a victim of
this same culture and just doing the best he could
within the culture.
Speaker 1: And what else were you seeing around? What kind of
space were you?
Speaker 2: Then? It was so this was interesting. It was wherever
I wanted it to be. So when I would focus
on my husband from this life, Danny, when I'd focus
on him, I would see other lives that I've had
with him. I would see the potential future I have.
So the space would be filled with other time and
places that I have encountered with this person. It was
very abstract and esoteric, and so my brother was there.
My brother had flown down from India to get to
me before I passed, and I remember like as soon
as I put my awareness on my brother, I felt, oh,
I can't I can't die just yet. And I immediately
saw a lifetime and this is what was in front
of me, a lifetime of him and me together where
I was much older than him. He's older than me
in this life, but I saw a lifetime of him
and me together where I was much older than him,
and I was very protective of him. And it's true
that even in this lifetime, even though he's older, I
feel protective of him. And then when I saw when
I was my awareness was on my husband, Danny, I
was immediately aware of a scene in my future, of
this life which hadn't panned out yet, of Danny, and
I fulfilling a purpose together, and I understood that we
still had work to do together here and I hadn't
fulfilled it yet, and that if I didn't come back
to fulfill it, if I crossed over, he wouldn't be
able to fulfill his side of the purpose.
Speaker 1: That's fascinating. So it's almost like you're inside of a
lack of a better word, almost like a holographic deck.
There's almost star treki in that sense that you see images,
but they're really lifelike, and it's kind of like, is
it like giant screens or is it just different scenes?
Speaker 2: Like you're immersed in it. It's like it's around you.
Speaker 1: It's just like yeah, ah, so it's exactly like a
holo deck. You walking in and it's like you're looking
around and you're in a virtual reality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's there. And this is why I
often say that time is not linear on the other side,
because I could access the future, I could access the past,
I could access any life that pertained to my experiences
right here, So it's sort of like my experience is
here in this physical life. It feeds into that narrative,
that total narrative of who my soul is, my soul
has this journey that's experienced multiple lives, but my soul
has access to this holodack of all the lives and
all the experiences to allow it to inform this current life.
For one of a better way of saying it.
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and now back to the show. So, yeah, lives, from
my understanding is that you don't address all of either
karma or challenges that you want as a soul to
achieve in every life. You have aspects of it. So
life A and B you have to do this or
this and see you did this thing that you really
want to get over. But in this life you're only
going to deal with A and B and see you'll
deal with in the next life something along those lines, correct.
Speaker 2: Something along those lines. But this experience changed my view
on karma. It changed my view on everything, on spirituality
or what it means to be spiritual, on religion, on karma,
on everything. Because I thought of karma as straightforward. You know,
it's like you do something bad, you pay it back
dislike for the next and I thought of it as
very straightforward. And so when I was going through the
cancer and it wasn't healing. I've had people, even spiritual gurus,
tell me it's your karma, you need to do more
good work, and when I crossed over, I realized it
wasn't my karma, you know. So basically I was somebody
prior to the near death experience, and I'm sorry to
be jumping all over the place it should be relevant.
I was somebody prior to the near death experience who
was very much a people pleaser, you know. I was
always taught to serve other people, to be subservient, to
be groomed to be a good wife to a husband someday.
So when I was told that it's because of your karma,
there's something in your karma that you have to clean
up and that's why you have cancer, so there where
I was already a people pleaser, a doormat and everything,
and now being told, oh, I need to do more
good work. And so that made me even more of
a people pleaser, martyr, charitable, so much so that I was,
you know, practically like prostrating myself for any body to
walk over me because I did not want to contribute
to the bad karma that was feeding the cancer that
was not healing.
Speaker 1: So, so how did your ideas of karma change?
Speaker 2: Then? What I realized was that it was the complete opposite.
I was meant to express myself fully, not suppress myself.
I was meant to come here and be a full
expression of this soul that chose to come into this body.
And that and the fact that we believe that we
constantly have to work at being good means our fundamental
belief about ourselves is that we're not good. We're bad.
We need to work on ourselves. That is actually the flaw,
the belief that we're not good. We really have to
know that, Hey, my soul is amazing. My soul is
a facet of God. So basically what I learned is
that each one of us is a facet of God
or love or pure consciousness expressing itself through this body.
And when we do things that are not good, it's
because we've lost our way. We've lost sight of that,
we've lost sight of who we truly are. And so
I had been repressing who I am because of cultural conditioning,
social conditioning. I had repressed who I am. So this
was my body's way of saying, hey, this is not
who you are. The body is kind of fighting back.
Your soul is fighting back. And so when I learned that,
oh my god, I'm much more powerful than I thought.
I'm an expression of God. That's when I made the
decision to come back into my body. And I was,
you know, and then I was I had this message.
It was actually my dad that now that you know
the truth of who you really are and who you're
meant to be, your body will heal very very dramatically.
And that's exactly what happened.
Speaker 1: So really quick. Before we get to that finishing off
your near death experience, the karma aspect of things, because
from my understanding, I agree with you, this whole tit
for tat thing is not what I've understood too from
speaking to so many near death experiences and spiritual masters
and so on. My understanding of karma is more of
the soul's choice to when they do come back. I
have to experience the opposite of this for me to
continue this journey. And it's a choice, It is not
a rule. Is that kind of how you see it?
Speaker 2: Kind of let me tell you exactly how I see it. Again,
It's all it's interpretation, and people use different words, so
I never want to make anyone else wrong. You know,
in near death experiences we all struggle with finding the
right language to interpret it, and so sometimes you have
to hear from a few different people to piece it together.
So my version of it is that is that we
do choose. We definitely choose to come here. But the
way it felt for me is that my soul chose
to come here, and my soul had an intention. So
it comes with an intention. And this addresses you know,
what is free will and what is destiny. So for me,
destiny is not written in stone. Following your destiny means
following the intention of your soul. What did my soul
plan to come here to accomplish and achieve and do
and be? And how did my soul plan to come
and change the world and be of service and so on?
And so you come with this intention. But while we're here,
we sometimes get knocked off the rails, We get derailed.
Are things we learn, things we teach, we lose our way,
and in my case, I've forgotten. We all forget along
the way. In my case, I completely repressed who I
am to the point where my soul was fighting back
by giving me symptoms and wake up calls in my
body like this is not who you are. You're not
here to be a doormat. You're not here to succumb
to all this fear. You're not here to be a
people pleaser. You're much more powerful than that. But there
I was repressing it. I was fighting it because I felt,
you know, I can't let my dad down, I can't
let my culture down. I so I was going against
the intention of my soul. We always so the intention
is what I call the destiny, and we can choose
to follow that intention or not, and that is our
free will. So they both go into each other. So
now back to karma. I don't see it as simplistic
as you do. The opposite in the next life. I
think what it is is that when not even I
think this is what it felt for me. When I
was there, it felt like you review your life. For me,
my life review came in the form of a tapestry
where I could see my entire journey of my soul,
of every lifetime it had lived, and how this life
contributes to the journey, the entire journey of the soul.
So you're not you don't always need to you can
get your lessons even from between your lives, or even
from having experienced something doing something horrible to somebody. You
don't need to have it done back to you. You
can even get your lesson from oh my god, that
was such an awful thing to do. I would do
it differently if I could do it again, And you
get a chance to do it again instead of having
it done you. So karma is not that straightforward as
I once thought it was.
Speaker 1: That makes I understand what I understand what you're saying,
and it actually makes sense. And again the language is
very difficult to kind of put into words with our
limited language to express these things. Now you're saying your
life review. Your life review is very interesting because I've
out of all the near death experiences I've heard, I've
never heard that I remember at least a life review
that did all of the lives or at least all
of the lives that pertained to this life at one time.
And seeing this giant blueprint of how each life is
gaining for your journey, if you will, did you feel,
because I hear of this from other life reviewers, that
you feel what the other person was going through that
happened to you as.
Speaker 2: Well, Yes, one hundred percent. And I was feeling not
only I was feeling even the feelings of the people
who were there around my physical body in the hospital
while I was dying. I was feeling the emotions of
my husband, my mom, my brother, the doctors, the nurses.
The nurses were amazing. They're just you know, they're just
beautiful souls who really really wanted to help me, and
they felt for me. They knew I was dying and
they were feeling helpless. But even the doctors, bless them,
their hearts are really in the right place. They want
to help the patient when they see the patient is dying.
I could feel all of that, and in the life
review as well. And in the Life Review, so I
could feel that actually happening in the present moment. But
when I was in like viewing my life as a
giant tapestry, I could feel like, say, what I had
done to other people. But also what was really interesting
is even things that I thought I had done wrong,
there there was certain things said I thought, oh, actually
you were meant to do that, You weren't wrong. You
actually did good in the world. So, for example, I
ran away from an arranged marriage.
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Speaker 2: And I thought, that's awful because I brought shame to
him and his family and everything. Now I paid for
that shame here, but I didn't see it that way,
like you kind of assumed that, oh, you're going to
pay for it in the afterlife or in the next life.
Because it was really shameful for my prospective husband, my
fiance at that time, and the family, and I brought
my family down and no Indian man wanted to marry
me after I had done that, And so I thought,
I'm going to really pay for this in karma in
my next life. And so you live with that guilt
and you're suffering with that guilt that's kind of eating
at you. And what I realized when I cross over
is that, oh, you've suffered enough. You're not going to
pay for it in the next life. In fact, look
at the good that happened. Look at all these young
Indian women who were inspired by what you did and
who have actually said no before getting into that situation
because they're like, oh, I don't want to get I
don't want to get into a situation like I needed it,
and they're standing up and they're saying good for you
for doing that. So it's like, wow, you get the
other perspective as well. And you also understand that you
have already suffered enough for something that you think that
you're going to suffer in the afterlife for because you
already carried that burden in this life.
Speaker 1: That's really really beautiful. And it's another example of that
good and bad is really a perspective of social conditioning
and cultural conditioning, where something good in India might be
something negative in the West or vice versa. It's really
about cultural So but the ultimate I guess, not judge,
but the ultimate version of what's good and bad. On
the other side, you're like, oh, what you thought was
good or bad? No, you did the right thing. It
might have not made people around you very happy, but
you did the right thing. And it also did this, this, this,
and this that helped you. And you're obviously not going
to suffer anymore because you beat yourself up for the
next twenty years after that situation. So you're solid. It
is essentially what happened.
Speaker 2: Yes, And the other thing is that you know, culturally,
many of us are conditioned to fear the afterlife, and
we live our lives doing things out of a fear
of the afterlife. I realized there is nothing to fear.
And that's really the big point here is that where
I thought I was going to be punished and everything, No,
it's very benevolent in the afterlife, very very benevolent. And
I felt as though all my loved ones and you know, everybody,
my guides, might whoever you want to call it, like
source energy itself was revering me. It was like a
big like welcome back, and you've been through an ardious journey,
and it's it feels like if I put human language
or feelings or human words to it, it's like a
feeling of coming home, but it's almost like a feeling
of being thrown a welcome home party. And what I
realized is they revere us. It's like you get kudos
for coming through this journey because nobody comes out of
it alive, so you get.
Speaker 1: It's like they always said, everybody wants to go to heaven,
but just not right now exactly. So yeah, I've heard
that before as well, that this is like a celebration
that you know that we're down here and that This
is not easy. This is a very challenging process of
learning and growing and going through all of this stuff
that you could only do in this dimension and this
in this reality. I suppose you can't do that in
the other reality on the other side. You can't both
of the same emotions and energies and ego and all
this kind of stuff on the other side. What else
did you see when you were on the other side.
You're going through this life review. You spoke about spirit GUIDs,
so you did see spirit GUIDs, You saw your relatives,
Did any deities or people that you felt show up
to help? Because I always say Jesus is the most
the busiest man on the other side. He's constantly showing
up and working. But I'm curious from your cultural background,
did you see anybody that you connected with?
Speaker 2: So for me, it was really interesting, And people challenge
me on this because I get challenged by different people
who believe in different deities. Sure, I realized that they
showed up for me in whatever way I want them to.
So in other words, if I wanted it to be Krishna,
it would be Krishna. If I wanted it to be Buddha,
it was Buddha. If I wanted it to be Jesus,
that's who it was. But it was pure love essence.
It was neither male nor female. It wasn't a physical being,
you know.
Speaker 1: And I.
Speaker 2: So if I wanted it to be Kwan Yin, that's
who it was.
Speaker 1: And I hear that that's because it's the near death
experience or the afterlife experience, when you're transitioning back to home.
It's a custom built scenario for you. It's not all
one size fits all.
Speaker 2: It's not a one size fits all. And I think
I had a weird experience because I grew up in
a very multicultural I mean, my parents a Hindu. I
grew up in Hong Kong, which is a primarily Chinese
city that's Taoist and Buddhist. But I had a British
education where all my peers, my school friends, all the
way through in my entire school life were all British kids,
and so you know, and it was because of them
that I learned, oh, I don't want an arrange marriage.
I want to have a career. I want to do
what they're doing. And in school we learned about the Bible.
But luckily in my high school. I went to a
more secular school where we learned about all the different religions.
But at the same time I would go I had
a Chinese nanny who would take me to Buddhist temples,
you know. At school we learned about church. My parents
would take me to the Hindu temple. So that's why
I think I had a very weird and eclectic near
death experience.
Speaker 1: So you're going through your life review, I see your
father is essentially your main mean guide through this process.
Speaker 2: Yes, and no, there was. They felt like there was
something beyond him as well, you know. And so this
is where it gets a little bit interesting, because it
felt like we are all connected, Like even my dad
and I we were connected, and so my dad was
the one who I identified from this physical life. But
there was still like an overarching energy which I just
call pure consciousness, which is the way I describe it
is that it is the consciousness of all of us,
every being, everything in the whole universe, all put together,
all it is just the total consciousness. And when we
are in this spirit form, that is also so informing us.
For want of a better way of putting it, that
is where the unconditional love when I say I was
bathed in this feeling of unconditional love, and it was
like I immersed and merged with this state of being.
It was like that that is what I would call God.
It's not a person, it has no gender, but it's
that energy that and all of us have access to it.
Speaker 1: So then when you're so, you're looking at the life review,
you're talking to your father, you have this bath of energy.
I'm assuming once you figure out like I have to
kind of go back because if not my husband, I
can continue what I intended to do in this life.
At what point do you are you saying goodbye? Are
you instantly pitched back? Is there a conversation about this?
How did that go?
Speaker 2: So? At first, no part of me wanted to go back.
So at first I didn't realize that my body was
going to be healed. But also it's so amazing. On
that side, I felt like such a struggle. So I said, no,
I'm not going back. And then I get the information
that my husband's purpose is linked to mine and that
if I don't go back, he would cross over, you know,
quite soon six months of it, and I was fine
with that. It's like, okay, he'll cross over and he'll
join me over here.
Speaker 1: How dare you, Anita, how dare you? It's fine, just
come out over die already for God's sakes, no pun intended.
Speaker 2: And we don't have children, and so I felt, we're
going to be together anyway.
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Speaker 2: And no part of me wanted to go back. But
then I started to when I really started to understand
that I had a bigger purpose. I had intended to
come here and in a way, and it was interesting.
I didn't know exactly what the purpose was, but I
could see that I was meant to impact a lot
of people, but I didn't know how I was going
to impact them. And I could see that in one way,
it was going to be a life of service, but
not in the old way that I used to think
service was. It was a way of being of service
to people while honoring myself and my own physical body
and not and not martyring myself for other people the
way I used to. But I didn't know. I still
didn't know how it was going to unfold or what
it's going to look like. But they said, basically you
came here with the intention of making the world a
better place, and in the first round of my life,
I had gone about it the wrong way, thinking by
making the world a better place was really to be
a martyr and deplete myself and be of service to
everyone around me except me. And what I understood is
that I had grown up and spent the first part
of my life being of service to people and learning
to see the God in everybody's eyes. You know, it's
like being of service to everybody because everybody is an
expression of God. What I had failed to do was
to see the God in my own eyes. And that's
what I learned on the other side, and that's when
I knew it was okay to come back as long
as I remember that I am also a facet of
God and always see the God in my own eyes.
Speaker 1: And then how did you What was the process of
you coming back? Did you get slammed back in? Did
you drift in? Did you come through the belly button?
How did that whole conversation what you realized I've got
to go back? What was the next step?
Speaker 2: I actually once so the last things that my dad
said to me was, now that you know the truth
of who you really are, go back and live your
life fearlessly. And as soon as he said that, and
I knew that my body was going to heal. And
so when he said that, literally just it felt like
just seconds after he said that, it felt like my
eyes started to open. In my physical body. It was
like I drifted. I drifted into my body seamlessly. It
was very seamless. I didn't have a heart bump or anything. Seamlessly.
My eyes started to open, but I wasn't fully in
this world yet was. I started to talk. I looked
around and there was my family, my husband, my brother,
my mom, and I started to say, Dad's here, Dad's here.
Dad says, I'm going to be okay. And they heard
me say this, and they thought, what's going on with her?
But they were elated that I was opening my eyes.
They were really really elated that it looked like I
was coming out of the coma. So they called the doctor.
And this was a doctor who had just started his
He just had started working on me when I entered
this hospital. I had never met him before, and I
entered the hospital in a coma, but I addressed him
by his name, I said, I said, good afternoon, doctor Chan,
And he said, how do you know my name? And
I said, aren't you the one that's been treating me?
And so i'd been in the coma for about thirty
thirty six hours and he said, but you were in
the coma and I just went I was so I
was like I had one foot on each side at
that time. So he couldn't figure out what had happened.
And after he left the room, I said to my family,
isn't he the one that said I won't even make
it through the night. And that's when my husband said,
he didn't even say that in the room. He set
it outside at the nurses station, and they knew something
had happened.
Speaker 1: So, okay, so now you're coming back, you're healing yourself.
How do you process this psychologically in this space? Because
on the other space your process is a lot faster.
Here we're running on older equipment, not as sophisticated, if
you will, without question, So how did you process this psychologically?
And then how did the people around you? Because you
came back changed, how did the people around you? How
did the people around you deal with it as well?
Speaker 2: It wasn't easy. People weren't as receptive as I thought.
So the thing is, I watched my body heal dramatically,
like really dramatically. I had tumorous the size of golf balls,
like all around my neck and under my arm and
in my chest that had grown very rapidly, and so
I started to just see them shrink very quickly. Within
three weeks, they could find no trace of cancer in
my body. And so I was watching this happen, and
the doctors were not I mean, they didn't know what
to say, they didn't know what to write in my
medical records. They were astounded, But at the same time,
they weren't receptive to what was happening. They kept wondering
whether they had misdiagnosed me or something, which is impossible
because I was dealing with it for four years.
Speaker 1: And also there was physical I mean gulf wars. Yeah,
I mean, it's not subtle.
Speaker 2: It wasn't subtle, so but you know, you could tell
that they were really having trouble processing it. But I
had so much clarity as to what had happened to
me on the other side and why I had got
the cancer and why it was now healing, that I
wanted to shout it from the rooftops. I wanted everyone
to know. Now, mind you, it took me a few
weeks to gain my strength back. It took me a
couple of months to get the strength back in my
legs and all of that. But I wanted to share
with everyone that you that you are a piece of God,
that there's God in you, and and I wanted to
share with everyone that you're more powerful than you've been
led to believe you are, and that we are amazing beings.
And and I just wanted to share these things with everyone,
and that if you're sick, there's a reason why you're sick.
It's you know. And I wanted to talk to people
who were sick. But I didn't realize that people would
not be receptive. It was I was seen as the
crazy person. You think they would say, yeah, they would
say it, you know, it's what's happened to you is amazing,
and you've had a spontaneous remission and it was miraculous,
and it really was a remarkable healing. But but it
was it's a one off. They wanted me to believe
that I was a lucky one and that and even
some people said, you know, don't give people false hope
and don't stray them from what they're doing. And so
I started to shut down everything that I learned on
the other side. I started to shut it down because
I thought, Okay, they think, in fact, I'm dangerous for
share it, or that I'm crazy. And so I realized that,
especially in the medical community, they were not open to it.
A lot of people who were sick and who were
entrenched in the in the conventional way of treating their
illnesses were also not open to listening to what I
had to say. So I learned very quickly to be
very careful who you share with, very careful.
Speaker 1: So at what point did you decide to come out
of the near death experience closet Anita?
Speaker 2: So what happened is that this was so it started like, okay,
very early on, I didn't know what to do with
this information. I thought, I can't keep it to myself.
I'm not going to do what I did before and
you know, just repress myself again. I can't keep it
to myself. So I shared it on an NDE website.
My brother discovered this website, and this is back in
two thousand and six. He discovers this website called NDERF
Near Death Experience Research Foundation. I didn't even know that
what I had was an ND. That's the thing, you
have this profound experience, the state of clarity. So he
shares the link to the site and he said, hey,
have a look at this. There are people having experiences
that are somewhat like yours, somewhat different, but somewhat like yours.
So I go into the site and there are like
three thousand NEO death experiences in their people's testimonies and stories.
And I started reading and I was like, oh my god,
Oh my god, I'm not alone. I'm not alone. Suddenly
I felt I just felt incredible. I felt I was
guided to get this site. So here's the difference from
the person I was before and the person I was
now after the ND. I was able to trust the process.
I was able to trust. I knew now that I
have these guides helping me, and I would tune into them.
Prior to the ND, of course, I didn't know that
I was guided and I had guides and I have
people helping me. So now I knew that, Okay, I've
been given this site for arias. And then there's this.
It says here click this link if you have if
you've had an end and you would like to share it.
So I clicked the link and it opens up to
this page with these questions. I answer the questions, and
then there's this part where you get to add extra
all your extra information. I added my own story about
the cancer, everything shared, the whole thing. It was like
really long, and I pressed the I press them in
and it says you will hear from someone within three weeks.
Literally hours later, not three weeks later later, but less
than twenty four hours later. I get an email from
the owner of the site, Jeffrey Long, doctor Jeffrey Long,
who happened to be an oncologist.
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and now back to the show.
Speaker 2: And he asked to see my medical records, and he said,
oh my god, this is the most profound near death
experience I have ever read. So he said, do I
have your permission to put it on the homepage of
my site? I said absolutely. He did not put my
full name, it was just Anita M's nd from there
it garnered attention globally with people who are interested in
that phenomena, and it wasn't my full name. I carried
on with living my life in Hong Kong. I started
to work freelance at work that had nothing to do
with the NDE didn't. I stopped sharing. I didn't even
tell the people I worked with that this had happened
to me while the story was set free. So I thought,
I've set the story free. I've done my thing. People
who need to read it and it will read it.
In the meantime, these things happening in the background. Another
oncologist picks up on it. He actually is somebody who
lives in California. Chinese guy lives in California. He says,
I come to Hong Kong from time to time? Can
I he writes, And he says, can I go to
the hospital where this happened to you? And can I
scrutinize your medical records? I said absolutely. He comes to
Hong Kong, we meet, he scrutinizes my medical records, and
he says, lady, whichever way I look at it, you
should be dead. You should write a book on this,
and I will write the medical testimony to give it validation.
And then yeah, and then he gets me on the
radio where he validates everything. I say. Then he holds
a medical conference where he validates everything. I say that,
this is the timeline, this is how it happened. She
shouldn't have healed, and blah blah blah. And so he
was the one that set me on that path first
where I had a I had something like his medical
testimony to I guess fight back if you will for
the people who were trying to debunk me. And then
Wayne Dyer discovered my story and then that's when every
thing changed. And it was his birthday yesterday.
Speaker 1: Oh Wayne. So Wayne is the one that kind of
open the door for you and really kind of really
exploded your story worldwide.
Speaker 2: Yes, but it all started with submitting it to nd ERF.
Speaker 1: Yes, Jeffrey, if I had on Jeffrey on the show,
he's wonderful, he is wonderful. He is wonderful. And I
did get a chance to meet Wayne once at a
at a meet and greet, and his energy was so wonderful.
He's amazing, he was amazing. God Rest his soul. That is.
That's amazing. So then you were and then you were
off the path, off off to the races, as they say.
Speaker 2: Yes, Wayne, I toured with him for four years. Wayne,
as soon as he read my story, he had Heyhouse
track me down. He insisted on speaking with me on
the phone. And he said to me, I am going
to make you what world known. I'm going to make
your book and New York Times best seller, he said,
you know, he said, I want you to write a book.
I didn't have a book at that time, that I
want you to write a book, and I am going
to make you a New York Times bestseller. And and
he did. And then that first book it got translated
into forty five languages.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so amazing, and that you have
such a remarkable story, Anita, and I really do hope
that people listening find not only comfort in it, but
inspiration and hope and understanding on these lessons that you
brought back, which are profound lessons that people really need
to understand because down here it is muddy, and there
is a lot of Yes, it's very muddy. It's very
tempting even the best of us lose our Like maybe
I shouldn't do that, but you know, inside your gut
say no, do that. You're like, but what will my
mom think or what my dad think, or what will
my spouse thinker, oh my god, should I leave that job?
But really, like all these things, you question constantly, But
it seems that you that I'll kind of say what
your dad said, live your life fearlessly.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's beautiful, thank you. And what he meant by
living your life fearlessly is be yourself fearlessly. He's not.
He wasn't trying to tell me go bungee jumping if
that's not your thing. But it's just be unafraid to
unapologetically be you, because to repress you means is really
sending yourself the message that there's something wrong with me
that I have to repress it.
Speaker 1: No, Anita, I'm going to ask you a few questions.
Ask all of my guests, what is your definition of
living a fulfilled life?
Speaker 2: That's a great question for me. A fulfilled life. So
if it's the end of my life, I want to
know that I've left the world a better place than
what it was when I came into it. And I
want to know that I have been of service and
that I have found passion love, that I've loved enough,
and I will feel fulfilled.
Speaker 1: If you had a chance to go onto a time
machine and go back in time to talk to that
little girl when you were growing up. What advice would
you give her?
Speaker 2: Wow, I would tell her that you don't have to
work at being spiritual. You don't have to work at
being good. You are already spiritual, you were born spiritual.
Just let that spirit shine. I would also want her
to know that she is an expression of God.
Speaker 1: How do you define God?
Speaker 2: God is the infinite energy that runs through all of us,
the infinite energy. And I sometimes call God the infinite
net because because we are all a part of God,
we're all a facet of God. It's like sometimes I'll
use the analogy of a mirror ball. And if you
think of a mirror ball, and imagine there's billions and
billions of little mirror tiles instead of just a few.
And imagine if each of those mirror tiles is one
of us, and we're all connected to make this bright,
shiny ball, and that is God. And because we're all connected,
we actually when we tune in intuitively, we can actually
connect to information. And when I say we're connected, each
of those little shiny mirror tiles is not us our
physical body, it's your soul. So each tile, your tile,
is all your lifetimes. My tile mirror tile is all
my lifetimes. So imagine all our souls are connected. And
so when you tune in telepathically, my soul is connected
to your soul, and your soul is connected to everyone
else's soul. And when you're intuitive, you have access to
all the information when you tap in, when you meditate
and you get downloads and you get aha moments, you're
getting information from the infinite net. Because we're all connected.
It can come from anybody's soul.
Speaker 1: I always one of the things I always say is
that we're God's algorithm. We can go off, we kind
of go off and do we have free will? We
can do it a little bit, but there's an intention.
But sometimes we go here, sometimes we go there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. We are God algorithm.
Speaker 1: And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of life?
Speaker 2: The ultimate purpose is I'm gonna give you My short
answer is to eat chocolate.
Speaker 1: There's a that's a very deep comment, my dear. It's deep,
it's profound, and everyone listening should really meditate on that comment. Now,
where can people find out more about you and the
amazing work you're doing in the world.
Speaker 2: Thank you. My website is Anitamoor Johnny dot com and
I am. I do have a YouTube channel. I would
love for people to come and watch my YouTube videos
and follow me on YouTube. And I also of course
have Instagram, Facebook, Twitter. I believe I have a TikTok
as well. You.
Speaker 1: When I think TikTok, I think you, Anita, so.
Speaker 2: Believe me.
Speaker 1: I have a TikTok too. And my kids are like,
why do you have a TikTok? I go it's a
spiritual thing. You'll understand later. And do you have any
party messages for our audience?
Speaker 2: I have so many, but I'm going to pair it down.
I want everybody to know that you are more powerful
than you've been led to believe you are. I would
want people to know that you don't have to work
at being spiritual. And I want people to know you
have nothing to fear. And when you have a choice
to make, when you make a choice, make your choice
from a place of love, not from a place of fear.
In other words, what do you love to do, what
makes your heart sing? Not what should I do to
avoid the consequences.
Speaker 1: Nita, thank you so much for coming back. Thank you
so much for the work that you're doing to help
awaken the planet. I truly appreciate you telling your story
and for everything you're doing.
Speaker 2: Thank you again, Thank you for your amazing questions. I
truly enjoyed speaking with you.
Speaker 1: I want to thank Anita so much for coming on
the show and sharing her story with all of us.
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