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they represent. Now today on the show, we have near

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death experiencer Anita Marianji, and Anita's story is unlike any

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other near death experience we've had on the show before.

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She was able to have a miraculous healing of her

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terminal cancer after she came back from her near death experience.

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Her story is truly remarkable and I cannot wait to

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share it with you. Let's dive in like to Welcome

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to the show, Anita Moore, Johnny, how you doing.

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Speaker 2: Anita, I'm doing great. I'm happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the show. I've

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wanted to have you on the show for a while now.

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I'm so glad our schedules finally locked up that we

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could do because you're busy, very busy lady, spreading the word,

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helping people around the world, so I appreciate you taking

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the time out to talk to our audience, and you've

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had a pretty interesting journey, to say the least.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the least.

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Speaker 1: So can you tell first question is, can you tell

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me what your life was like prior to your near

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death experience where you're spiritual not spiritual? What was your

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whole life like before before the diagnosis? Honestly, so, I was.

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Speaker 2: Actually I thought I was really spiritual, and I didn't

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realize until later, until after the near death experience, that

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my spirituality actually stemmed from a place of fear. But

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I was very spiritual in that I I would live

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my life in a way that would reduce bad karma,

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if you will. So I was always trying to be

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more spiritual. I always believed, oh, I need to be

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more spiritual. I need to meditate more, I need to

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pray more, and I need to go to more spiritual

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classes and meetings and temples and churches. You know. So

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I was very conscientiously spiritual. I had a lot of

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fears during that time of my life. Fears of the afterlife,

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fear of disapproval, fear of disappointing people. I never felt

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I was good enough, and I had always felt that

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my dad was disapproving of me my entire life because

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of our culture and because I was against arranged marriages.

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especially at that time, the time that I grew up.

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the thing is that there was this big part of

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me that just didn't want an arranged marriage. In fact,

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my parents arranged a marriage for me and I ran away,

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which caused a lot of furor in our community. I

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wanted to be free. I wanted to work and earn

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my own money, and I wanted to travel the world.

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to take care of you until you get married, and

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then your husband is supposed to take care of you.

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did not want me to work, and they did not

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approve of it. So that didn't feel right for me.

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and my homemaking skills. And I'm going to admit here

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that I am terrible at house square, but my worth

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was measured by how good I was at housework. And

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culture at that time. This is growing up in the

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eighties particularly, so that was my life before my indeed,

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but I did meet an amazing man, Danny, who I married,

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who was with me through the journey, and that's the

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best thing that I ever did in that part of

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Speaker 1: So tell me about what happened when you had your

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diagnosis of cancer.

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and it started with a lump on my literally on

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my shoulder, like between my neck and my shoulder, and

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it was so I went to have it checked out

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and they did a biopsy and it was diagnosed as

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lymphatic cancer. At that time it was staged as a

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stage two and then over the years. So the thing

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was that my two people very close to me in

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my life and the same age as me, both had cancer.

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had terminal cancer. They were dying of cancer. One of

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them was my best friend who's as close to me

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as a sister. We grew up together, so it was

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a shock when she was diagnosed. And then my husband's

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brother in law, also the same age as me was diagnosed,

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and so both of them were having the best or

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most expensive treatments that money can buy in the best

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cancer hospitals. One of them we were living in Hong Kong.

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hospital in New York and the other one in the

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best cancer hospital in Hong Kong. But both of them

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continue to deteriorate, and when I from my perspective, it

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looked like every time they had a treatment, they were

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getting worse. So when I was diagnosed and the only

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option I was given was the same treatment they were given,

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you know, the chemo with the radiation, I was like, no,

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with natural treatments because I am seeing these two people

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having the best treatment that money can buy in the world.

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would get better and then I would get worse. I

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would get better and I would get worse. And I

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had to sorry that who said that I needed to

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was being treated by an Irevedic doctor in India, and

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was telling me I was getting a lot better. And

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so I was feeling so much better. I looked better.

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the you know, I fell into again with people telling

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a real doctor, you need to go to an oile doctor.

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Speaker 2: So then so I succumbed. I went to a western

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doctor who did the scans and said that said that

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and did the scans and then he told me, you

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only have three months to live at this rate. And

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after I heard that, my health deteriorated dramatically, like dramatically,

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got worse and worse and worse very rapidly. And then

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on the morning of February two, two thousand and six,

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my husband was freaking out, rushed me to the hospital,

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and the doctors said, this is it. She's not coming out,

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she's dying. But unbeknownst to every petty here around me,

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I was feeling amazing. I had left my body, my spirit,

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my soul, whatever we want to call it, had actually

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left my body, and I was feeling incredible and light

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and free. Oh and I also want to add one

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more thing is that at this point where I was at,

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where I went to the doctor and everything, at this point,

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the doctor actually said that whatever we have, the chemo

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and everything that we have will no longer work for you.

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you know, we can throw everything at it, but it's

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too late. It's not going to save your life. They

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even said that God love.

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Speaker 1: Them really quickly before you get into your and near

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death experience. I just think this is a really important

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point to kind of to kind of dive into a

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little bit is that your mindset changed by someone in

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authority who you believe, and by that case, your body

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reacted to what you believed was to be true. But

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when you were with the Aravetic doctor, you were feeling great,

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everything was moving along because he told you a different

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story that you believed. You're like, you're damning healthier. I'm like,

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you know what, I am getting healthier. But the second

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you have three months to live, You're like, I'm dying boom,

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and your entire body started to shut down based on

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Speaker 2: That's what I That's what it felt for me. Yes, correct,

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that is what it I know, and and sometimes I

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hesitate sharing that part of it so definitively and clearly

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because there are people that are that have great doctors.

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There are some great doctors and they being treated right now.

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I don't you know, I don't want to disrupt anything

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that's working for them exactly.

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Speaker 1: It is a case by case basis, but it does

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show the power of the mind. The placebo effect essentially one.

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to doctors to please watch your words. This is the thing.

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it happen time and time again. To other people who

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helped them, they say exactly the same thing what you

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really really scared because of what their doctor told them,

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but they were doing fine until they had the diagnosis.

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the way. So tell me when you had you and

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your death experience, you said you were feeling great. At

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what point did you leave your body exactly? Do you

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remember seeing your body? How did that go?

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rushing me to the hospital when I didn't wake up.

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aware of everything that was going on around me, my

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husband being frantic rushing me to the hospital, my family

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being there, my brother, my mom, they were all there.

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come out of the coma, so I was aware of

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everything that was happening around me, but I was also

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aware that to them, I was not there, like nobody

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was home. I was gone, and I was aware of that.

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I'm more than my body. And it felt like I

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was expanding outside of my body, and I was, and

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I started to become aware of things like what the

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nurses were doing, what the doctors were doing, and I

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was aware of things that were happening outside the room

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and the conversations they were having. I was hearing watching

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the conversations between my doctor and my husband, and that

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she's not even going to make it, you know that,

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continue to expand though beyond the hospital. And the next

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thing I remember is that I entered what I call

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like a state of clarity. But in this state, I

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was surrounded by other beings that were not on this world.

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to gain awareness of people that were non physical that

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were around me, and some of them I recognized as

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being people I knew in this life. One of them

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was my best friend who had passed from cancer. She'd

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passed two years prior, and she was there to greet me.

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And you know, I'd always felt i'd let my dad

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down and we'd always clashed and that he was disappointed

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in me. But here in this other realm, all I

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felt from him was pure, unconditional love, just love. And

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it felt like, so we can't We don't have physical

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biological bodies, we don't have vocal cords, we don't have eyes,

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so it's a very different type of perception and it's

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pure awareness. So my dad didn't have to speak to me.

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It was like his energy and mind energy just you know,

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just enmeshed. We just merged together and I knew everything.

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So what happens is you see them but not with

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physical eyes. It's like you know that their physical body

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is not there, but my awareness was able to have

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images of who that is. So I would get images

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of my dad as I knew him in this physical life,

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but he wasn't physical. It was just his essence. And

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one of the things I realized is that when we

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cross over, not only do we leave behind our physical bodies,

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but we also leave behind our gender, our race, our culture,

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our religion, our beliefs, so many like all of this

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is a here thing, not a there thing. And that's

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when I realized that the only thing that crosses over

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is our pure essence, and our pure essence is I

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would call it pure love or pure God, or pure

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source energy or pure consciousness. We can call it whatever

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we want, but it's pure essence. And so here I

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was with my dad's pure essence and my pure essence,

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and it was like we could just merge, so I

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could understand him and he could understand me. And I

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understood that just as I had always believed I was

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a victim of my culture, he was a victim of

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this same culture and just doing the best he could

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within the culture.

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Speaker 1: And what else were you seeing around? What kind of

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space were you?

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Speaker 2: Then? It was so this was interesting. It was wherever

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I wanted it to be. So when I would focus

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on my husband from this life, Danny, when I'd focus

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on him, I would see other lives that I've had

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with him. I would see the potential future I have.

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So the space would be filled with other time and

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places that I have encountered with this person. It was

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very abstract and esoteric, and so my brother was there.

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My brother had flown down from India to get to

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me before I passed, and I remember like as soon

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as I put my awareness on my brother, I felt, oh,

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I can't I can't die just yet. And I immediately

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saw a lifetime and this is what was in front

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of me, a lifetime of him and me together where

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I was much older than him. He's older than me

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in this life, but I saw a lifetime of him

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and me together where I was much older than him,

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and I was very protective of him. And it's true

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that even in this lifetime, even though he's older, I

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feel protective of him. And then when I saw when

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I was my awareness was on my husband, Danny, I

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was immediately aware of a scene in my future, of

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this life which hadn't panned out yet, of Danny, and

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I fulfilling a purpose together, and I understood that we

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still had work to do together here and I hadn't

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fulfilled it yet, and that if I didn't come back

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to fulfill it, if I crossed over, he wouldn't be

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able to fulfill his side of the purpose.

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Speaker 1: That's fascinating. So it's almost like you're inside of a

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lack of a better word, almost like a holographic deck.

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There's almost star treki in that sense that you see images,

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but they're really lifelike, and it's kind of like, is

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it like giant screens or is it just different scenes?

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Speaker 2: Like you're immersed in it. It's like it's around you.

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Speaker 1: It's just like yeah, ah, so it's exactly like a

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holo deck. You walking in and it's like you're looking

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around and you're in a virtual reality.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's there. And this is why I

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often say that time is not linear on the other side,

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because I could access the future, I could access the past,

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I could access any life that pertained to my experiences

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right here, So it's sort of like my experience is

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here in this physical life. It feeds into that narrative,

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that total narrative of who my soul is, my soul

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has this journey that's experienced multiple lives, but my soul

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has access to this holodack of all the lives and

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all the experiences to allow it to inform this current life.

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For one of a better way of saying it.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

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and now back to the show. So, yeah, lives, from

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my understanding is that you don't address all of either

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karma or challenges that you want as a soul to

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achieve in every life. You have aspects of it. So

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life A and B you have to do this or

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this and see you did this thing that you really

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want to get over. But in this life you're only

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going to deal with A and B and see you'll

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deal with in the next life something along those lines, correct.

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Speaker 2: Something along those lines. But this experience changed my view

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on karma. It changed my view on everything, on spirituality

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or what it means to be spiritual, on religion, on karma,

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on everything. Because I thought of karma as straightforward. You know,

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it's like you do something bad, you pay it back

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dislike for the next and I thought of it as

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very straightforward. And so when I was going through the

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cancer and it wasn't healing. I've had people, even spiritual gurus,

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tell me it's your karma, you need to do more

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good work, and when I crossed over, I realized it

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wasn't my karma, you know. So basically I was somebody

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prior to the near death experience, and I'm sorry to

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be jumping all over the place it should be relevant.

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I was somebody prior to the near death experience who

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was very much a people pleaser, you know. I was

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always taught to serve other people, to be subservient, to

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be groomed to be a good wife to a husband someday.

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So when I was told that it's because of your karma,

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there's something in your karma that you have to clean

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up and that's why you have cancer, so there where

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I was already a people pleaser, a doormat and everything,

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and now being told, oh, I need to do more

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good work. And so that made me even more of

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a people pleaser, martyr, charitable, so much so that I was,

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you know, practically like prostrating myself for any body to

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walk over me because I did not want to contribute

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to the bad karma that was feeding the cancer that

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was not healing.

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Speaker 1: So, so how did your ideas of karma change?

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Speaker 2: Then? What I realized was that it was the complete opposite.

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I was meant to express myself fully, not suppress myself.

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I was meant to come here and be a full

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expression of this soul that chose to come into this body.

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And that and the fact that we believe that we

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constantly have to work at being good means our fundamental

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belief about ourselves is that we're not good. We're bad.

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We need to work on ourselves. That is actually the flaw,

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the belief that we're not good. We really have to

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know that, Hey, my soul is amazing. My soul is

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a facet of God. So basically what I learned is

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that each one of us is a facet of God

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or love or pure consciousness expressing itself through this body.

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And when we do things that are not good, it's

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because we've lost our way. We've lost sight of that,

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we've lost sight of who we truly are. And so

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I had been repressing who I am because of cultural conditioning,

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social conditioning. I had repressed who I am. So this

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was my body's way of saying, hey, this is not

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who you are. The body is kind of fighting back.

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Your soul is fighting back. And so when I learned that,

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oh my god, I'm much more powerful than I thought.

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I'm an expression of God. That's when I made the

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decision to come back into my body. And I was,

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you know, and then I was I had this message.

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It was actually my dad that now that you know

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the truth of who you really are and who you're

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meant to be, your body will heal very very dramatically.

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And that's exactly what happened.

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Speaker 1: So really quick. Before we get to that finishing off

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your near death experience, the karma aspect of things, because

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from my understanding, I agree with you, this whole tit

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for tat thing is not what I've understood too from

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speaking to so many near death experiences and spiritual masters

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and so on. My understanding of karma is more of

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the soul's choice to when they do come back. I

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have to experience the opposite of this for me to

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continue this journey. And it's a choice, It is not

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a rule. Is that kind of how you see it?

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Speaker 2: Kind of let me tell you exactly how I see it. Again,

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It's all it's interpretation, and people use different words, so

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I never want to make anyone else wrong. You know,

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in near death experiences we all struggle with finding the

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right language to interpret it, and so sometimes you have

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to hear from a few different people to piece it together.

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So my version of it is that is that we

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do choose. We definitely choose to come here. But the

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way it felt for me is that my soul chose

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to come here, and my soul had an intention. So

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it comes with an intention. And this addresses you know,

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what is free will and what is destiny. So for me,

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destiny is not written in stone. Following your destiny means

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following the intention of your soul. What did my soul

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plan to come here to accomplish and achieve and do

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and be? And how did my soul plan to come

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and change the world and be of service and so on?

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And so you come with this intention. But while we're here,

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we sometimes get knocked off the rails, We get derailed.

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Are things we learn, things we teach, we lose our way,

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and in my case, I've forgotten. We all forget along

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the way. In my case, I completely repressed who I

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am to the point where my soul was fighting back

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by giving me symptoms and wake up calls in my

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body like this is not who you are. You're not

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here to be a doormat. You're not here to succumb

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to all this fear. You're not here to be a

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people pleaser. You're much more powerful than that. But there

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I was repressing it. I was fighting it because I felt,

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you know, I can't let my dad down, I can't

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let my culture down. I so I was going against

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the intention of my soul. We always so the intention

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is what I call the destiny, and we can choose

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to follow that intention or not, and that is our

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free will. So they both go into each other. So

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now back to karma. I don't see it as simplistic

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as you do. The opposite in the next life. I

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think what it is is that when not even I

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think this is what it felt for me. When I

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was there, it felt like you review your life. For me,

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my life review came in the form of a tapestry

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where I could see my entire journey of my soul,

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of every lifetime it had lived, and how this life

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contributes to the journey, the entire journey of the soul.

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So you're not you don't always need to you can

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get your lessons even from between your lives, or even

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from having experienced something doing something horrible to somebody. You

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don't need to have it done back to you. You

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can even get your lesson from oh my god, that

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was such an awful thing to do. I would do

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it differently if I could do it again, And you

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get a chance to do it again instead of having

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it done you. So karma is not that straightforward as

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I once thought it was.

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Speaker 1: That makes I understand what I understand what you're saying,

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and it actually makes sense. And again the language is

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very difficult to kind of put into words with our

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limited language to express these things. Now you're saying your

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life review. Your life review is very interesting because I've

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out of all the near death experiences I've heard, I've

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never heard that I remember at least a life review

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that did all of the lives or at least all

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of the lives that pertained to this life at one time.

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And seeing this giant blueprint of how each life is

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gaining for your journey, if you will, did you feel,

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because I hear of this from other life reviewers, that

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you feel what the other person was going through that

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happened to you as.

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Speaker 2: Well, Yes, one hundred percent. And I was feeling not

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only I was feeling even the feelings of the people

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who were there around my physical body in the hospital

479
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,279
while I was dying. I was feeling the emotions of

480
00:30:08,319 --> 00:30:12,359
my husband, my mom, my brother, the doctors, the nurses.

481
00:30:12,599 --> 00:30:15,119
The nurses were amazing. They're just you know, they're just

482
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,839
beautiful souls who really really wanted to help me, and

483
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,119
they felt for me. They knew I was dying and

484
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:24,079
they were feeling helpless. But even the doctors, bless them,

485
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,759
their hearts are really in the right place. They want

486
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:30,440
to help the patient when they see the patient is dying.

487
00:30:30,839 --> 00:30:35,799
I could feel all of that, and in the life

488
00:30:35,839 --> 00:30:38,240
review as well. And in the Life Review, so I

489
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:41,359
could feel that actually happening in the present moment. But

490
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,920
when I was in like viewing my life as a

491
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:49,000
giant tapestry, I could feel like, say, what I had

492
00:30:49,079 --> 00:30:53,400
done to other people. But also what was really interesting

493
00:30:53,559 --> 00:30:57,079
is even things that I thought I had done wrong,

494
00:30:57,759 --> 00:31:01,519
there there was certain things said I thought, oh, actually

495
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,799
you were meant to do that, You weren't wrong. You

496
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,920
actually did good in the world. So, for example, I

497
00:31:07,079 --> 00:31:09,240
ran away from an arranged marriage.

498
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:13,039
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

499
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:17,920
and now back to the show.

500
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Speaker 2: And I thought, that's awful because I brought shame to

501
00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:29,640
him and his family and everything. Now I paid for

502
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:32,319
that shame here, but I didn't see it that way,

503
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,599
like you kind of assumed that, oh, you're going to

504
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,799
pay for it in the afterlife or in the next life.

505
00:31:36,839 --> 00:31:42,160
Because it was really shameful for my prospective husband, my

506
00:31:42,279 --> 00:31:45,000
fiance at that time, and the family, and I brought

507
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:49,000
my family down and no Indian man wanted to marry

508
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:51,920
me after I had done that, And so I thought,

509
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,079
I'm going to really pay for this in karma in

510
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,440
my next life. And so you live with that guilt

511
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,319
and you're suffering with that guilt that's kind of eating

512
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,480
at you. And what I realized when I cross over

513
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:08,000
is that, oh, you've suffered enough. You're not going to

514
00:32:08,039 --> 00:32:10,640
pay for it in the next life. In fact, look

515
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,200
at the good that happened. Look at all these young

516
00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:16,839
Indian women who were inspired by what you did and

517
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,119
who have actually said no before getting into that situation

518
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:24,200
because they're like, oh, I don't want to get I

519
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:26,880
don't want to get into a situation like I needed it,

520
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,680
and they're standing up and they're saying good for you

521
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,799
for doing that. So it's like, wow, you get the

522
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:38,839
other perspective as well. And you also understand that you

523
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:43,440
have already suffered enough for something that you think that

524
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:46,440
you're going to suffer in the afterlife for because you

525
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:48,920
already carried that burden in this life.

526
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:54,079
Speaker 1: That's really really beautiful. And it's another example of that

527
00:32:54,359 --> 00:32:59,440
good and bad is really a perspective of social conditioning

528
00:33:00,039 --> 00:33:04,119
and cultural conditioning, where something good in India might be

529
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,839
something negative in the West or vice versa. It's really

530
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:13,519
about cultural So but the ultimate I guess, not judge,

531
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:16,359
but the ultimate version of what's good and bad. On

532
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,160
the other side, you're like, oh, what you thought was

533
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,720
good or bad? No, you did the right thing. It

534
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,400
might have not made people around you very happy, but

535
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:26,079
you did the right thing. And it also did this, this, this,

536
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,359
and this that helped you. And you're obviously not going

537
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,400
to suffer anymore because you beat yourself up for the

538
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,279
next twenty years after that situation. So you're solid. It

539
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:35,720
is essentially what happened.

540
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 2: Yes, And the other thing is that you know, culturally,

541
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,400
many of us are conditioned to fear the afterlife, and

542
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,240
we live our lives doing things out of a fear

543
00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:51,039
of the afterlife. I realized there is nothing to fear.

544
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,119
And that's really the big point here is that where

545
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,440
I thought I was going to be punished and everything, No,

546
00:33:56,759 --> 00:34:01,599
it's very benevolent in the afterlife, very very benevolent. And

547
00:34:02,359 --> 00:34:07,119
I felt as though all my loved ones and you know, everybody,

548
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,199
my guides, might whoever you want to call it, like

549
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,440
source energy itself was revering me. It was like a

550
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,480
big like welcome back, and you've been through an ardious journey,

551
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:23,360
and it's it feels like if I put human language

552
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:31,039
or feelings or human words to it, it's like a

553
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:35,360
feeling of coming home, but it's almost like a feeling

554
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:41,199
of being thrown a welcome home party. And what I

555
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,719
realized is they revere us. It's like you get kudos

556
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,800
for coming through this journey because nobody comes out of

557
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,639
it alive, so you get.

558
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 1: It's like they always said, everybody wants to go to heaven,

559
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:03,800
but just not right now exactly. So yeah, I've heard

560
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,000
that before as well, that this is like a celebration

561
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:08,360
that you know that we're down here and that This

562
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:13,039
is not easy. This is a very challenging process of

563
00:35:13,679 --> 00:35:16,679
learning and growing and going through all of this stuff

564
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,840
that you could only do in this dimension and this

565
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,960
in this reality. I suppose you can't do that in

566
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:24,840
the other reality on the other side. You can't both

567
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,360
of the same emotions and energies and ego and all

568
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,199
this kind of stuff on the other side. What else

569
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,679
did you see when you were on the other side.

570
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,440
You're going through this life review. You spoke about spirit GUIDs,

571
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,559
so you did see spirit GUIDs, You saw your relatives,

572
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:42,239
Did any deities or people that you felt show up

573
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,719
to help? Because I always say Jesus is the most

574
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,960
the busiest man on the other side. He's constantly showing

575
00:35:49,039 --> 00:35:51,760
up and working. But I'm curious from your cultural background,

576
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,280
did you see anybody that you connected with?

577
00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: So for me, it was really interesting, And people challenge

578
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,400
me on this because I get challenged by different people

579
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:09,400
who believe in different deities. Sure, I realized that they

580
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:11,880
showed up for me in whatever way I want them to.

581
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,119
So in other words, if I wanted it to be Krishna,

582
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:17,400
it would be Krishna. If I wanted it to be Buddha,

583
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,360
it was Buddha. If I wanted it to be Jesus,

584
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,280
that's who it was. But it was pure love essence.

585
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:28,000
It was neither male nor female. It wasn't a physical being,

586
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:29,760
you know.

587
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 1: And I.

588
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,559
Speaker 2: So if I wanted it to be Kwan Yin, that's

589
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:35,119
who it was.

590
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,599
Speaker 1: And I hear that that's because it's the near death

591
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:44,079
experience or the afterlife experience, when you're transitioning back to home.

592
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:48,440
It's a custom built scenario for you. It's not all

593
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:49,360
one size fits all.

594
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:52,639
Speaker 2: It's not a one size fits all. And I think

595
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:57,400
I had a weird experience because I grew up in

596
00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:02,679
a very multicultural I mean, my parents a Hindu. I

597
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:05,639
grew up in Hong Kong, which is a primarily Chinese

598
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,480
city that's Taoist and Buddhist. But I had a British

599
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:12,599
education where all my peers, my school friends, all the

600
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:16,920
way through in my entire school life were all British kids,

601
00:37:17,519 --> 00:37:19,920
and so you know, and it was because of them

602
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,159
that I learned, oh, I don't want an arrange marriage.

603
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:23,960
I want to have a career. I want to do

604
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,079
what they're doing. And in school we learned about the Bible.

605
00:37:28,199 --> 00:37:30,599
But luckily in my high school. I went to a

606
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:33,639
more secular school where we learned about all the different religions.

607
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,280
But at the same time I would go I had

608
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,199
a Chinese nanny who would take me to Buddhist temples,

609
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:44,280
you know. At school we learned about church. My parents

610
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,639
would take me to the Hindu temple. So that's why

611
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:51,800
I think I had a very weird and eclectic near

612
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:52,920
death experience.

613
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,119
Speaker 1: So you're going through your life review, I see your

614
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:02,960
father is essentially your main mean guide through this process.

615
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: Yes, and no, there was. They felt like there was

616
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,840
something beyond him as well, you know. And so this

617
00:38:12,039 --> 00:38:16,480
is where it gets a little bit interesting, because it

618
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,360
felt like we are all connected, Like even my dad

619
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,719
and I we were connected, and so my dad was

620
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,519
the one who I identified from this physical life. But

621
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:35,119
there was still like an overarching energy which I just

622
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:40,440
call pure consciousness, which is the way I describe it

623
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,079
is that it is the consciousness of all of us,

624
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,800
every being, everything in the whole universe, all put together,

625
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:55,440
all it is just the total consciousness. And when we

626
00:38:55,679 --> 00:39:01,960
are in this spirit form, that is also so informing us.

627
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:04,400
For want of a better way of putting it, that

628
00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:07,360
is where the unconditional love when I say I was

629
00:39:07,559 --> 00:39:12,480
bathed in this feeling of unconditional love, and it was

630
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:15,760
like I immersed and merged with this state of being.

631
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,079
It was like that that is what I would call God.

632
00:39:19,199 --> 00:39:22,159
It's not a person, it has no gender, but it's

633
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,639
that energy that and all of us have access to it.

634
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,679
Speaker 1: So then when you're so, you're looking at the life review,

635
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,119
you're talking to your father, you have this bath of energy.

636
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:35,880
I'm assuming once you figure out like I have to

637
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,880
kind of go back because if not my husband, I

638
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,639
can continue what I intended to do in this life.

639
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,760
At what point do you are you saying goodbye? Are

640
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,320
you instantly pitched back? Is there a conversation about this?

641
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:49,360
How did that go?

642
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: So? At first, no part of me wanted to go back.

643
00:39:53,519 --> 00:39:56,159
So at first I didn't realize that my body was

644
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:58,920
going to be healed. But also it's so amazing. On

645
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:03,239
that side, I felt like such a struggle. So I said, no,

646
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,280
I'm not going back. And then I get the information

647
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,440
that my husband's purpose is linked to mine and that

648
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:13,360
if I don't go back, he would cross over, you know,

649
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,840
quite soon six months of it, and I was fine

650
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:18,719
with that. It's like, okay, he'll cross over and he'll

651
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:19,559
join me over here.

652
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: How dare you, Anita, how dare you? It's fine, just

653
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:26,880
come out over die already for God's sakes, no pun intended.

654
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 2: And we don't have children, and so I felt, we're

655
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,159
going to be together anyway.

656
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,079
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

657
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,960
and now back to the show.

658
00:40:46,119 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 2: And no part of me wanted to go back. But

659
00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:52,559
then I started to when I really started to understand

660
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:56,119
that I had a bigger purpose. I had intended to

661
00:40:56,199 --> 00:40:59,840
come here and in a way, and it was interesting.

662
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,800
I didn't know exactly what the purpose was, but I

663
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:08,039
could see that I was meant to impact a lot

664
00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:10,159
of people, but I didn't know how I was going

665
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:14,079
to impact them. And I could see that in one way,

666
00:41:14,159 --> 00:41:16,559
it was going to be a life of service, but

667
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,480
not in the old way that I used to think

668
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:23,280
service was. It was a way of being of service

669
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,880
to people while honoring myself and my own physical body

670
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:35,519
and not and not martyring myself for other people the

671
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:39,440
way I used to. But I didn't know. I still

672
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,239
didn't know how it was going to unfold or what

673
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,960
it's going to look like. But they said, basically you

674
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,440
came here with the intention of making the world a

675
00:41:48,519 --> 00:41:52,280
better place, and in the first round of my life,

676
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,159
I had gone about it the wrong way, thinking by

677
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,559
making the world a better place was really to be

678
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:00,119
a martyr and deplete myself and be of service to

679
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:06,239
everyone around me except me. And what I understood is

680
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,199
that I had grown up and spent the first part

681
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,599
of my life being of service to people and learning

682
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,159
to see the God in everybody's eyes. You know, it's

683
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,960
like being of service to everybody because everybody is an

684
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,840
expression of God. What I had failed to do was

685
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,199
to see the God in my own eyes. And that's

686
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,320
what I learned on the other side, and that's when

687
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,760
I knew it was okay to come back as long

688
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,920
as I remember that I am also a facet of

689
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,400
God and always see the God in my own eyes.

690
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: And then how did you What was the process of

691
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:41,480
you coming back? Did you get slammed back in? Did

692
00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:44,239
you drift in? Did you come through the belly button?

693
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,800
How did that whole conversation what you realized I've got

694
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,320
to go back? What was the next step?

695
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: I actually once so the last things that my dad

696
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,960
said to me was, now that you know the truth

697
00:42:57,039 --> 00:42:59,679
of who you really are, go back and live your

698
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,639
life fearlessly. And as soon as he said that, and

699
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,039
I knew that my body was going to heal. And

700
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,679
so when he said that, literally just it felt like

701
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,880
just seconds after he said that, it felt like my

702
00:43:13,079 --> 00:43:15,519
eyes started to open. In my physical body. It was

703
00:43:15,599 --> 00:43:19,840
like I drifted. I drifted into my body seamlessly. It

704
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:23,559
was very seamless. I didn't have a heart bump or anything. Seamlessly.

705
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,360
My eyes started to open, but I wasn't fully in

706
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:32,159
this world yet was. I started to talk. I looked

707
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:34,639
around and there was my family, my husband, my brother,

708
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,719
my mom, and I started to say, Dad's here, Dad's here.

709
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,639
Dad says, I'm going to be okay. And they heard

710
00:43:41,679 --> 00:43:43,880
me say this, and they thought, what's going on with her?

711
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,760
But they were elated that I was opening my eyes.

712
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,280
They were really really elated that it looked like I

713
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,599
was coming out of the coma. So they called the doctor.

714
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,280
And this was a doctor who had just started his

715
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:02,920
He just had started working on me when I entered

716
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:04,960
this hospital. I had never met him before, and I

717
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:08,679
entered the hospital in a coma, but I addressed him

718
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,800
by his name, I said, I said, good afternoon, doctor Chan,

719
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,280
And he said, how do you know my name? And

720
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,360
I said, aren't you the one that's been treating me?

721
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,199
And so i'd been in the coma for about thirty

722
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,239
thirty six hours and he said, but you were in

723
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,840
the coma and I just went I was so I

724
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:29,920
was like I had one foot on each side at

725
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:32,480
that time. So he couldn't figure out what had happened.

726
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,159
And after he left the room, I said to my family,

727
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:37,440
isn't he the one that said I won't even make

728
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:39,880
it through the night. And that's when my husband said,

729
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:42,119
he didn't even say that in the room. He set

730
00:44:42,199 --> 00:44:45,400
it outside at the nurses station, and they knew something

731
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,079
had happened.

732
00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: So, okay, so now you're coming back, you're healing yourself.

733
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:57,000
How do you process this psychologically in this space? Because

734
00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:59,440
on the other space your process is a lot faster.

735
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:04,760
Here we're running on older equipment, not as sophisticated, if

736
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,199
you will, without question, So how did you process this psychologically?

737
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,880
And then how did the people around you? Because you

738
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,159
came back changed, how did the people around you? How

739
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:16,960
did the people around you deal with it as well?

740
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't easy. People weren't as receptive as I thought.

741
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,119
So the thing is, I watched my body heal dramatically,

742
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:31,920
like really dramatically. I had tumorous the size of golf balls,

743
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,559
like all around my neck and under my arm and

744
00:45:35,639 --> 00:45:40,280
in my chest that had grown very rapidly, and so

745
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:45,280
I started to just see them shrink very quickly. Within

746
00:45:45,519 --> 00:45:49,639
three weeks, they could find no trace of cancer in

747
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,719
my body. And so I was watching this happen, and

748
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:57,440
the doctors were not I mean, they didn't know what

749
00:45:57,559 --> 00:45:59,320
to say, they didn't know what to write in my

750
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:03,719
medical records. They were astounded, But at the same time,

751
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,880
they weren't receptive to what was happening. They kept wondering

752
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,719
whether they had misdiagnosed me or something, which is impossible

753
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,480
because I was dealing with it for four years.

754
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,039
Speaker 1: And also there was physical I mean gulf wars. Yeah,

755
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:20,519
I mean, it's not subtle.

756
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:23,800
Speaker 2: It wasn't subtle, so but you know, you could tell

757
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,519
that they were really having trouble processing it. But I

758
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,519
had so much clarity as to what had happened to

759
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:34,159
me on the other side and why I had got

760
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,199
the cancer and why it was now healing, that I

761
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,920
wanted to shout it from the rooftops. I wanted everyone

762
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,000
to know. Now, mind you, it took me a few

763
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:44,360
weeks to gain my strength back. It took me a

764
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,559
couple of months to get the strength back in my

765
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:51,400
legs and all of that. But I wanted to share

766
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,199
with everyone that you that you are a piece of God,

767
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,599
that there's God in you, and and I wanted to

768
00:46:57,639 --> 00:46:59,719
share with everyone that you're more powerful than you've been

769
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,360
led to believe you are, and that we are amazing beings.

770
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,800
And and I just wanted to share these things with everyone,

771
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,880
and that if you're sick, there's a reason why you're sick.

772
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,239
It's you know. And I wanted to talk to people

773
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:17,000
who were sick. But I didn't realize that people would

774
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:20,559
not be receptive. It was I was seen as the

775
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,559
crazy person. You think they would say, yeah, they would

776
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:29,239
say it, you know, it's what's happened to you is amazing,

777
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:32,800
and you've had a spontaneous remission and it was miraculous,

778
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,320
and it really was a remarkable healing. But but it

779
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,639
was it's a one off. They wanted me to believe

780
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,639
that I was a lucky one and that and even

781
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,960
some people said, you know, don't give people false hope

782
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,119
and don't stray them from what they're doing. And so

783
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:53,440
I started to shut down everything that I learned on

784
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:56,199
the other side. I started to shut it down because

785
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,559
I thought, Okay, they think, in fact, I'm dangerous for

786
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,320
share it, or that I'm crazy. And so I realized that,

787
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,199
especially in the medical community, they were not open to it.

788
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:09,400
A lot of people who were sick and who were

789
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:13,719
entrenched in the in the conventional way of treating their

790
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,800
illnesses were also not open to listening to what I

791
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,599
had to say. So I learned very quickly to be

792
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:22,679
very careful who you share with, very careful.

793
00:48:23,199 --> 00:48:25,599
Speaker 1: So at what point did you decide to come out

794
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:27,480
of the near death experience closet Anita?

795
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 2: So what happened is that this was so it started like, okay,

796
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:33,440
very early on, I didn't know what to do with

797
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:37,239
this information. I thought, I can't keep it to myself.

798
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,199
I'm not going to do what I did before and

799
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:42,320
you know, just repress myself again. I can't keep it

800
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,119
to myself. So I shared it on an NDE website.

801
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,039
My brother discovered this website, and this is back in

802
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:53,440
two thousand and six. He discovers this website called NDERF

803
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:57,199
Near Death Experience Research Foundation. I didn't even know that

804
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:00,079
what I had was an ND. That's the thing, you

805
00:49:00,159 --> 00:49:03,679
have this profound experience, the state of clarity. So he

806
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,960
shares the link to the site and he said, hey,

807
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:08,360
have a look at this. There are people having experiences

808
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,760
that are somewhat like yours, somewhat different, but somewhat like yours.

809
00:49:12,159 --> 00:49:14,360
So I go into the site and there are like

810
00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:20,119
three thousand NEO death experiences in their people's testimonies and stories.

811
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:22,960
And I started reading and I was like, oh my god,

812
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,480
Oh my god, I'm not alone. I'm not alone. Suddenly

813
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,599
I felt I just felt incredible. I felt I was

814
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:35,159
guided to get this site. So here's the difference from

815
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,760
the person I was before and the person I was

816
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,440
now after the ND. I was able to trust the process.

817
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:44,679
I was able to trust. I knew now that I

818
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:48,280
have these guides helping me, and I would tune into them.

819
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:52,199
Prior to the ND, of course, I didn't know that

820
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,039
I was guided and I had guides and I have

821
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:58,880
people helping me. So now I knew that, Okay, I've

822
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:00,960
been given this site for arias. And then there's this.

823
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:04,119
It says here click this link if you have if

824
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:06,360
you've had an end and you would like to share it.

825
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,320
So I clicked the link and it opens up to

826
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,920
this page with these questions. I answer the questions, and

827
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,599
then there's this part where you get to add extra

828
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,639
all your extra information. I added my own story about

829
00:50:18,679 --> 00:50:21,519
the cancer, everything shared, the whole thing. It was like

830
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,559
really long, and I pressed the I press them in

831
00:50:24,639 --> 00:50:28,480
and it says you will hear from someone within three weeks.

832
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:33,360
Literally hours later, not three weeks later later, but less

833
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:37,639
than twenty four hours later. I get an email from

834
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:40,840
the owner of the site, Jeffrey Long, doctor Jeffrey Long,

835
00:50:41,159 --> 00:50:43,599
who happened to be an oncologist.

836
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

837
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,679
and now back to the show.

838
00:50:55,159 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 2: And he asked to see my medical records, and he said,

839
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,079
oh my god, this is the most profound near death

840
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:05,639
experience I have ever read. So he said, do I

841
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:08,199
have your permission to put it on the homepage of

842
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,360
my site? I said absolutely. He did not put my

843
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:15,679
full name, it was just Anita M's nd from there

844
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:20,199
it garnered attention globally with people who are interested in

845
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,679
that phenomena, and it wasn't my full name. I carried

846
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,880
on with living my life in Hong Kong. I started

847
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:30,599
to work freelance at work that had nothing to do

848
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,840
with the NDE didn't. I stopped sharing. I didn't even

849
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,960
tell the people I worked with that this had happened

850
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,280
to me while the story was set free. So I thought,

851
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,559
I've set the story free. I've done my thing. People

852
00:51:43,639 --> 00:51:46,159
who need to read it and it will read it.

853
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,880
In the meantime, these things happening in the background. Another

854
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:54,760
oncologist picks up on it. He actually is somebody who

855
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:58,320
lives in California. Chinese guy lives in California. He says,

856
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,400
I come to Hong Kong from time to time? Can

857
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,760
I he writes, And he says, can I go to

858
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,480
the hospital where this happened to you? And can I

859
00:52:07,159 --> 00:52:10,960
scrutinize your medical records? I said absolutely. He comes to

860
00:52:11,039 --> 00:52:14,119
Hong Kong, we meet, he scrutinizes my medical records, and

861
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:16,519
he says, lady, whichever way I look at it, you

862
00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:18,599
should be dead. You should write a book on this,

863
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:23,280
and I will write the medical testimony to give it validation.

864
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,360
And then yeah, and then he gets me on the

865
00:52:27,519 --> 00:52:30,400
radio where he validates everything. I say. Then he holds

866
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,360
a medical conference where he validates everything. I say that,

867
00:52:34,679 --> 00:52:37,119
this is the timeline, this is how it happened. She

868
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:41,280
shouldn't have healed, and blah blah blah. And so he

869
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:43,519
was the one that set me on that path first

870
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:47,960
where I had a I had something like his medical

871
00:52:48,039 --> 00:52:52,480
testimony to I guess fight back if you will for

872
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:55,199
the people who were trying to debunk me. And then

873
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,880
Wayne Dyer discovered my story and then that's when every

874
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:02,519
thing changed. And it was his birthday yesterday.

875
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,880
Speaker 1: Oh Wayne. So Wayne is the one that kind of

876
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:09,360
open the door for you and really kind of really

877
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:11,079
exploded your story worldwide.

878
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 2: Yes, but it all started with submitting it to nd ERF.

879
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:17,519
Speaker 1: Yes, Jeffrey, if I had on Jeffrey on the show,

880
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:20,880
he's wonderful, he is wonderful. He is wonderful. And I

881
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,519
did get a chance to meet Wayne once at a

882
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:27,239
at a meet and greet, and his energy was so wonderful.

883
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:32,840
He's amazing, he was amazing. God Rest his soul. That is.

884
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,960
That's amazing. So then you were and then you were

885
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,679
off the path, off off to the races, as they say.

886
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,159
Speaker 2: Yes, Wayne, I toured with him for four years. Wayne,

887
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:44,880
as soon as he read my story, he had Heyhouse

888
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,719
track me down. He insisted on speaking with me on

889
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:50,280
the phone. And he said to me, I am going

890
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,679
to make you what world known. I'm going to make

891
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,320
your book and New York Times best seller, he said,

892
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,159
you know, he said, I want you to write a book.

893
00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:00,239
I didn't have a book at that time, that I

894
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,840
want you to write a book, and I am going

895
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:06,119
to make you a New York Times bestseller. And and

896
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,159
he did. And then that first book it got translated

897
00:54:09,199 --> 00:54:10,639
into forty five languages.

898
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so amazing, and that you have

899
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,360
such a remarkable story, Anita, and I really do hope

900
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,559
that people listening find not only comfort in it, but

901
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:25,599
inspiration and hope and understanding on these lessons that you

902
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:29,519
brought back, which are profound lessons that people really need

903
00:54:29,639 --> 00:54:34,159
to understand because down here it is muddy, and there

904
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:37,280
is a lot of Yes, it's very muddy. It's very

905
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:42,239
tempting even the best of us lose our Like maybe

906
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,199
I shouldn't do that, but you know, inside your gut

907
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:47,800
say no, do that. You're like, but what will my

908
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,960
mom think or what my dad think, or what will

909
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:53,400
my spouse thinker, oh my god, should I leave that job?

910
00:54:53,519 --> 00:54:58,360
But really, like all these things, you question constantly, But

911
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:03,119
it seems that you that I'll kind of say what

912
00:55:03,159 --> 00:55:05,840
your dad said, live your life fearlessly.

913
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 2: Yes, it's beautiful, thank you. And what he meant by

914
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,679
living your life fearlessly is be yourself fearlessly. He's not.

915
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:18,159
He wasn't trying to tell me go bungee jumping if

916
00:55:18,199 --> 00:55:22,119
that's not your thing. But it's just be unafraid to

917
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:29,119
unapologetically be you, because to repress you means is really

918
00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:32,039
sending yourself the message that there's something wrong with me

919
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:33,440
that I have to repress it.

920
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: No, Anita, I'm going to ask you a few questions.

921
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:39,199
Ask all of my guests, what is your definition of

922
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:40,679
living a fulfilled life?

923
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:45,599
Speaker 2: That's a great question for me. A fulfilled life. So

924
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:48,639
if it's the end of my life, I want to

925
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,400
know that I've left the world a better place than

926
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,920
what it was when I came into it. And I

927
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:58,159
want to know that I have been of service and

928
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:02,800
that I have found passion love, that I've loved enough,

929
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:05,719
and I will feel fulfilled.

930
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 1: If you had a chance to go onto a time

931
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,599
machine and go back in time to talk to that

932
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,639
little girl when you were growing up. What advice would

933
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:13,039
you give her?

934
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,760
Speaker 2: Wow, I would tell her that you don't have to

935
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:20,280
work at being spiritual. You don't have to work at

936
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:25,800
being good. You are already spiritual, you were born spiritual.

937
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,920
Just let that spirit shine. I would also want her

938
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,559
to know that she is an expression of God.

939
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 1: How do you define God?

940
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:39,760
Speaker 2: God is the infinite energy that runs through all of us,

941
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,960
the infinite energy. And I sometimes call God the infinite

942
00:56:45,079 --> 00:56:49,719
net because because we are all a part of God,

943
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,159
we're all a facet of God. It's like sometimes I'll

944
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,039
use the analogy of a mirror ball. And if you

945
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:58,880
think of a mirror ball, and imagine there's billions and

946
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,239
billions of little mirror tiles instead of just a few.

947
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:05,760
And imagine if each of those mirror tiles is one

948
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:10,800
of us, and we're all connected to make this bright,

949
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:17,559
shiny ball, and that is God. And because we're all connected,

950
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:23,320
we actually when we tune in intuitively, we can actually

951
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,119
connect to information. And when I say we're connected, each

952
00:57:27,199 --> 00:57:30,719
of those little shiny mirror tiles is not us our

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physical body, it's your soul. So each tile, your tile,

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is all your lifetimes. My tile mirror tile is all

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my lifetimes. So imagine all our souls are connected. And

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so when you tune in telepathically, my soul is connected

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to your soul, and your soul is connected to everyone

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else's soul. And when you're intuitive, you have access to

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all the information when you tap in, when you meditate

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and you get downloads and you get aha moments, you're

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getting information from the infinite net. Because we're all connected.

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It can come from anybody's soul.

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Speaker 1: I always one of the things I always say is

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that we're God's algorithm. We can go off, we kind

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of go off and do we have free will? We

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can do it a little bit, but there's an intention.

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But sometimes we go here, sometimes we go there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly. We are God algorithm.

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Speaker 1: And finally, what is the ultimate purpose of life?

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Speaker 2: The ultimate purpose is I'm gonna give you My short

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answer is to eat chocolate.

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Speaker 1: There's a that's a very deep comment, my dear. It's deep,

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it's profound, and everyone listening should really meditate on that comment. Now,

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where can people find out more about you and the

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amazing work you're doing in the world.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. My website is Anitamoor Johnny dot com and

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I am. I do have a YouTube channel. I would

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love for people to come and watch my YouTube videos

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and follow me on YouTube. And I also of course

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have Instagram, Facebook, Twitter. I believe I have a TikTok

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as well. You.

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Speaker 1: When I think TikTok, I think you, Anita, so.

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Speaker 2: Believe me.

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Speaker 1: I have a TikTok too. And my kids are like,

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why do you have a TikTok? I go it's a

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spiritual thing. You'll understand later. And do you have any

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party messages for our audience?

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Speaker 2: I have so many, but I'm going to pair it down.

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I want everybody to know that you are more powerful

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than you've been led to believe you are. I would

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want people to know that you don't have to work

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at being spiritual. And I want people to know you

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have nothing to fear. And when you have a choice

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to make, when you make a choice, make your choice

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from a place of love, not from a place of fear.

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In other words, what do you love to do, what

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makes your heart sing? Not what should I do to

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avoid the consequences.

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Speaker 1: Nita, thank you so much for coming back. Thank you

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so much for the work that you're doing to help

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awaken the planet. I truly appreciate you telling your story

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and for everything you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you again, Thank you for your amazing questions. I

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truly enjoyed speaking with you.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank Anita so much for coming on

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the show and sharing her story with all of us.

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If you want to get links to anything we spoke

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about in this episode, including how to get her free

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Near Death Experience course discover the transformative power of NDEs,

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head over to the show notes at Next levelsoul dot

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com Forward slash two seven six. Now. If this conversation

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stirred something in you, there's more waiting. You can listen

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As I always say, trust the journey. It's there to

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teach you. I'll see you next time.