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Speaker 2: I got to sit down and talk to Logan.
Speaker 1: Logan has been on the show a couple of times
Speaker 1: and we have talked about his adventures up in Radium,
Speaker 1: some of the amazing encounters and experiences he's had up
Speaker 1: there on expedition in tid Standing's research area. A few
Speaker 1: months back, Logan sent me an email and was talking
Speaker 1: about a project he was working on in conjunction with
Speaker 1: Tide standing. They were putting live cameras up in the
Speaker 1: Radium research area in base camp, where I've had my
Speaker 1: experiences and tons of other people have had experiences there
Speaker 1: while on expedition. I've talked about this a couple of
Speaker 1: times over here on this podcast as well as that
Speaker 1: Bigfoot podcast with Wayne Well. Those cameras are up and
Speaker 1: they are live, and you can now experience what it's
Speaker 1: like to be inside the Radium base camp area. Logan
Speaker 1: is here to talk about that process, what it was
Speaker 1: like to put that app together, get the cameras and
Speaker 1: all the other equipment up there, some of the nightmares
Speaker 1: that they went through logistically, but they're working fine now.
Speaker 1: And the first thing that you're going to hear in
Speaker 1: this episode is some from a recent video that Todd
Speaker 1: put out because David Avocado Wolf and his son Theaden
Speaker 1: were up there on expedition with Todd in the Nordag
Speaker 1: area and they had a sighting of a sasquatch. In
Speaker 1: addition to that, Logan is going through all the tons
Speaker 1: and tons of data that he's collected already from these
Speaker 1: cameras running twenty four hours a day, seven days a week.
Speaker 1: He actually sent me a clip not too long ago
Speaker 1: that he posted up on TikTok. I will have it
Speaker 1: posted for you guys over on the sasquatch Otasey blog.
Speaker 1: So head over to the website Paranormorialdproductions dot com. Check
Speaker 1: out the sasquatch Otta See blog at the top of
Speaker 1: the page, and you can see this video that was
Speaker 1: recorded from these cameras in the Radium base camp area.
Speaker 1: Something threw a rock out of the woods and it
Speaker 1: hit the side of one of the campers there. You
Speaker 1: could see it clearly on the video. He's got it
Speaker 1: slowed down so you can see it as well as
Speaker 1: the audio so you can hear it again. It's very
Speaker 1: compelling stuff. I know what people think about Todd. I
Speaker 1: obviously talk a little bit about that in the episode
Speaker 1: in this interview with Logan. Everyone knows I certainly have
Speaker 1: my issues with Todd and so some of the evidence
Speaker 1: that he's put out there in the past. But I
Speaker 1: think Logan's trying to do the right thing here. And
Speaker 1: if you guys are interested in it, all you have
Speaker 1: to do is check out the Discovering Bigfoot app on
Speaker 1: Apple and or Android. You can check out the live
Speaker 1: feed and make up your own mind about what's going
Speaker 1: on at the radium base camp area.
Speaker 2: But enough of that.
Speaker 1: I know you guys are ready to get into it.
Speaker 1: Logan's on the line, he's ready to go. All this
Speaker 1: left for you to do is sit back, relax, and
Speaker 1: enjoy the show.
Speaker 3: See there's a cut line over there.
Speaker 4: And they were at the top of this little ridge
Speaker 4: over here, and they'd stopped, and we're talking, and Thayden
Speaker 4: came back down the hill when I was halfway up.
Speaker 4: Hey Dad, there's a sasquatch over here. So legs are
Speaker 4: burning and can't get up the hill fast enough. But
Speaker 4: I'm looking at these two really excited and talking and
Speaker 4: literally literally clearly having seen something. So I'm gonna start
Speaker 4: with mister David Avocado Wolf himself. So it was was
Speaker 4: my assessment correct that you just heard me talk about.
Speaker 3: Yes, I came up to the top of the ridge
Speaker 3: over there.
Speaker 5: First, there's a cut line there on the right side,
Speaker 5: my left from it was my right side coming this way,
Speaker 5: but left from the way we're looking. And I just
Speaker 5: laid the bike right down there, and I was waiting
Speaker 5: for theadan and and I just saw something black in
Speaker 5: the in the bush right here for a while, like
Speaker 5: a couple of minutes before Thadan came, and I kept
Speaker 5: going it kept getting bigger and then smaller, and then
Speaker 5: bigger and then small.
Speaker 3: I was like, what is that?
Speaker 5: And so it looked to me like the head and
Speaker 5: then the shoulders up to about right there, all really
Speaker 5: dark like black, and it stayed there. So Fadan got
Speaker 5: there and I said, you see that, checked that out
Speaker 5: right there. So I kind of pointed, got this little
Speaker 5: burm right here, this little gully, and.
Speaker 3: I said, it's just to the right of that.
Speaker 6: Oh wow.
Speaker 5: And so that's that's when he started looking at it,
Speaker 5: and he's like, yeah, there's something there.
Speaker 4: How's your vision?
Speaker 3: Very good?
Speaker 4: Twenty twenty vision, okay, and theden with the glasses on,
Speaker 4: perfect just new glasses, about a year and a half old.
Speaker 2: So so you.
Speaker 4: Guys saw head and shoulders above trees.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked to us like bushes over here. I
Speaker 3: have to say, because when you're over there, this looked
Speaker 3: like bushes.
Speaker 5: So it looked like something squatted down, kept peeking up
Speaker 5: and then coming back down. I was like, that shadow
Speaker 5: keeps getting bigger and then keeps getting smaller, and it's
Speaker 5: like and the things like if it was a bear,
Speaker 5: would have moved by now.
Speaker 4: And it wouldn't have been up right for so long.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it wouldn't. And it just was facing us directly,
Speaker 3: was looking right at us like that.
Speaker 4: Could could you have if it was a bear, could
Speaker 4: you have seen ears at the top of the head,
Speaker 4: or how about the proportions of the head to the
Speaker 4: shoulders where they wider than a bear, because a bear doesn't.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it looked to me like the pictures you see
Speaker 5: of the sasquats where there where you see them in
Speaker 5: shadow and you just see from the shoulders up here
Speaker 5: and it goes like that, so kind of no neck,
Speaker 5: big shoulders. I never thought it was a bear, not
Speaker 5: even for a second. But theyden, you know, so went
Speaker 5: through that that possibility.
Speaker 3: But it didn't move. It was there.
Speaker 5: I mean, it didn't move its position for at least
Speaker 5: three or four minutes, it could have been longer.
Speaker 3: And then you can then he went and got you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and then and then you came.
Speaker 5: Up to the top of the hill, and then we
Speaker 5: can started coming down. So I was like, okay, let's
Speaker 5: see if we can keep keep eye.
Speaker 3: On this thing as you came down. And then that's
Speaker 3: when you saw a movement.
Speaker 5: As I came down, I was actually, I don't know,
Speaker 5: about halfway down, and I started thinking, there's one on
Speaker 5: the left, just instinctively, and then that then pretty much
Speaker 5: right after that is when you said there's one.
Speaker 3: On the left. I don't know if they were the
Speaker 3: same one, but it could have been the same one,
Speaker 3: but I don't know.
Speaker 4: So you came down the hill. First thing is so
Speaker 4: I don't even know. David's telling you the sasquatch what
Speaker 4: are you seeing?
Speaker 6: So first of all, I come in and I hear him say,
Speaker 6: you see a thing over there? I'm like, okay, what thing?
Speaker 6: I started looking over like in this direction, first off
Speaker 6: to the left of us, and I'm like, okay, I'm
Speaker 6: looking over there. He's like, no, no, look on to burm
Speaker 6: and then to the right a little bit. So I'm
Speaker 6: looking looking else and I catch eyes with it and like,
Speaker 6: I look at what he's pointing at, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 6: what is that episode? Like maybe it's shadows like you
Speaker 6: said when it was like a piece of burned wood
Speaker 6: on the tree, Like that couldn't because it wouldn't be
Speaker 6: just one piece of burned one in the un tire,
Speaker 6: which would be burned. What if it's excres Like, let's
Speaker 6: go down and look at it. I was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 6: it could be a bear. So I waited for another minute.
Speaker 6: I was like, okay, still of that breaks a bear
Speaker 6: would have fallen down by now it's little stuff like
Speaker 6: they only stand up for about like a minute max,
Speaker 6: not even that, And so we're like, okay, that has
Speaker 6: to be assassh. She's like it's getting Bigger's like it's
Speaker 6: like going down and speaking back up.
Speaker 4: And that is not bare behavior there up and come down. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they don't bob whatsoever. So now you're talking completely and.
Speaker 3: We've seen a bear out here already.
Speaker 5: We have seen a bear and this definitely was not
Speaker 5: a bear, and you didn't look anything like the bear
Speaker 5: we saw.
Speaker 4: Like I can, I can attest for you. You've been
Speaker 4: around bears your whole life. We used to see them
Speaker 4: on a daily basis. You have a tremendous amount of
Speaker 4: experience in the wilderness with bears. So what makes you
Speaker 4: color wise? What color were you saying?
Speaker 3: Jet black?
Speaker 4: Jet black?
Speaker 6: I mean you could only make up the eyes and
Speaker 6: something like that, but you see the general shape, it's
Speaker 6: too far. I have to make up the main ship.
Speaker 6: Like you can just see shoulders in the head. So
Speaker 6: it's like, okay, it's not a bear, it's not burn wood,
Speaker 6: it's not a shadow. So be a sasquatch. Then and
Speaker 6: it's like mob bobbing up and bowing down side go
Speaker 6: over and I get you, yeah, and my dad, there's sasquatch. Obviously,
Speaker 6: I run back over. We keep looking at for a minute.
Speaker 6: You come in then, as he said, we come on down.
Speaker 6: And as David said, then you see one on the
Speaker 6: left of.
Speaker 3: Us running by.
Speaker 4: Well, let's let's hold on a second here. So when
Speaker 4: I got to the top though, it wasn't there anymore.
Speaker 6: No, it was still there.
Speaker 3: It was still there.
Speaker 4: You guys were still seeing it.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah.
Speaker 5: And then shortly thereafter I was like, I got to
Speaker 5: try to keep an eye on it, and I kind
Speaker 5: of lost track of it as I was coming down.
Speaker 6: On your bike.
Speaker 4: I'm going to watch the road, look up, watch.
Speaker 5: The yeah, and I really try to keep an eye
Speaker 5: on it. And so I couldn't tell like it it
Speaker 5: to me. It didn't seem like it crossed the road.
Speaker 5: It seemed like it backed up into the bush over there.
Speaker 5: That's that's what it looked like to me.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 5: But then very quickly right after, you know, I was
Speaker 5: getting really close. That's when you came up and and
Speaker 5: I like, oh, maybe there's something happening to the left.
Speaker 5: There's just something hit me instinct dely to look to
Speaker 5: the left. And then that's when we had that incident
Speaker 5: where in the corner of my eye, just to be
Speaker 5: perfectly honest, I saw, like, to me, these things have
Speaker 5: a reality distortion field around them or something like that.
Speaker 3: I don't know how else to describe it.
Speaker 5: Sure, and I saw that out of the left side
Speaker 5: of my peripheral vision.
Speaker 3: And then I looked and that's right when you.
Speaker 5: Saw it, so that I didn't see anything really, but
Speaker 5: I saw you know, I didn't see any figure, but
Speaker 5: I saw something shimmery or I don't know how else
Speaker 5: to describe it. I think a reality distortion field is
Speaker 5: probably the best way to describe it. Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't even so I didn't even know to look.
Speaker 5: They just said.
Speaker 4: In fact, I was misunderstanding. I thought that they weren't
Speaker 4: seen anymore, and I thought David was saying, I have
Speaker 4: a perspective on where it is and I just misunderstood him.
Speaker 6: Pause.
Speaker 4: It's a very exciting moment. These guys are literally lit
Speaker 4: and so am I. I am so happy they've seen
Speaker 4: a Sasquatch. It's very fortuitous I wasn't up here, though,
Speaker 4: because they had minutes to stand and watch. If I
Speaker 4: would have been there, would have been coming down immediately.
Speaker 4: And their way was better because this is the setting
Speaker 4: that they required. These gentlemen got exactly what they needed
Speaker 4: at the same time. And I'm seeing similarities between these two.
Speaker 4: That's very, very impressive. These two are like on a
Speaker 4: level that's you know, like even though we're talking fifteen
Speaker 4: year old and fifty year old, there there's an exceptional
Speaker 4: amount of similarities or they have the same things they
Speaker 4: enjoy that you know, he did the same thing growing up.
Speaker 4: So there's a reason these two people had this sitting
Speaker 4: together and that I wasn't there.
Speaker 1: I want to welcome our guest back to the show
Speaker 1: for his I don't know what appearance this is on
Speaker 1: the Sasquatch Odyssey podcast for my friend Logan. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to the show man.
Speaker 7: Hey, you good to be here.
Speaker 2: I'm glad to have you.
Speaker 1: I've been looking forward to this conversation because you have
Speaker 1: got quite the project going on. You reached out to me,
Speaker 1: I don't know, months ago, it seems at this point
Speaker 1: you were talking a little bit about this new camera
Speaker 1: project that you guys have going on up at the
Speaker 1: Radium site. Obviously it's Todd Standing's Bigfoot research area that
Speaker 1: I was up in doing my thing last October. Had
Speaker 1: a great time up there. It's a beautiful area. I
Speaker 1: want to start in the place we should start is
Speaker 1: painting the picture for folks. I've tried to do this
Speaker 1: as much as I possibly can on the podcast when
Speaker 1: I was talking about my time up there, because I
Speaker 1: had no idea until I got up to this area,
Speaker 1: how beautiful it is, how remote it is, and all
Speaker 1: of the amazing things that you experienced while you're up there.
Speaker 1: You've been up there many times, you were pro at
Speaker 1: navigating this area and radium. Why don't you take us
Speaker 1: back to the first time you got to experience radium.
Speaker 1: Paint the picture for folks, how remote this place is
Speaker 1: and how beautiful it is.
Speaker 7: So Yeah, the first time, I guess was September twenty
Speaker 7: twenty one. Yeah, I was talking to Todd on the phone.
Speaker 7: I was expecting it to be prey remote, didn't really
Speaker 7: know what to expect. But it's a good trek away
Speaker 7: from Calgary where you land, and basically just like this
Speaker 7: big valley in between two mountain ranges when you get
Speaker 7: high enough. It's in between these mountain ranges and it's beautiful.
Speaker 7: It's nothing but a river and woods, mountains and very
Speaker 7: little human population out there. So it's honestly, probably one
Speaker 7: of the prettiest places I've been.
Speaker 1: How many expeditions have you done with Todd and or
Speaker 1: with Kyle. How many times have you been up there
Speaker 1: on expedition and had experiences in that area.
Speaker 7: I've been out there four times now. The last time
Speaker 7: was to do I'd say it's more business, more business
Speaker 7: and pleasure, to be honest, but totally four times. I've
Speaker 7: been out there like basically once a year since twenty
Speaker 7: twenty one. I'm actually slated to go out there back
Speaker 7: in September, the end of September, so stoked about doing that.
Speaker 1: Anytime you get to go to that area, it is phenomenal.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine the anticipation. So let's get down
Speaker 1: to the meat impotators of why we're here. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about this project that you came up with. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about the genesis of this project. We're talking about these
Speaker 1: live stream cameras. I've teased people several times on the
Speaker 1: show and talked about it. This is your brainchild. This
Speaker 1: is something that you and Todd have been working on
Speaker 1: for quite a while. Now, take us back to when
Speaker 1: you had this idea. Where did the idea come from?
Speaker 1: Is this something that just hits you in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night and you woke up and started writing
Speaker 1: notes about Is it something you and Todd came up together.
Speaker 1: Give us the picture of how this came to be.
Speaker 7: It's a little bit of everything, to be fair, But
Speaker 7: I guess the starting point was the last time I
Speaker 7: was up there, and I think I talked about it
Speaker 7: with you, just being around the campfire and having, in
Speaker 7: my opinion, a bigfoot come up on behind me and
Speaker 7: slowly creep up on me. If there had been some
Speaker 7: kind of camera system there, maybe we would have caught something.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 7: It came from that, just that whole experience, and it
Speaker 7: was life changing to be around something like that. I
Speaker 7: think you have to go through it to say that,
Speaker 7: but I still think about it all the time. So
Speaker 7: Right after that, Todd, I think we should get cameras
Speaker 7: around base camp and just see if we can get anything.
Speaker 7: I know everyone's kind of like WU on cameras, but
Speaker 7: it's all here's hey, everyone says that, but is it
Speaker 7: really true? Does anyone really know? I don't think so.
Speaker 7: There's no real proof of that other than people say
Speaker 7: that like I don't see the heart evident. So I
Speaker 7: was like, yeah, I've known Todd well enough. I want
Speaker 7: to make this discovery push forward, so I'll look into
Speaker 7: getting some cameras and setting them up out here. I
Speaker 7: don't mind fitting some of that bill just to help
Speaker 7: do that. Maybe we can get some evidence. So I
Speaker 7: started thinking about it. A month goes by, and I
Speaker 7: was like, maybe we should do this differently and really
Speaker 7: try to collaborate on it and make everyone be able
Speaker 7: to see this. So that's where my thought process started going.
Speaker 7: I started getting into my engineering mind. I'm like an
Speaker 7: IT engineer, cyculiability engineer, observational automation. I do a bunch
Speaker 7: of different things. So I was like, how do I
Speaker 7: make this work? How can I bring this to people
Speaker 7: and actually try to grow it in a organic way
Speaker 7: to where we could actually grow the system and get
Speaker 7: more and more spots and locations and people kind of
Speaker 7: collaborating with us. Todd's vision is to have multiple Discovering
Speaker 7: Bigfoot research centers where we're doing research, not just on
Speaker 7: one spot, like a lot of different hotspots. To me,
Speaker 7: this is a step towards that. It's a step towards
Speaker 7: actually having data. There's not a lot of data out there.
Speaker 7: They're in these private little sections of people that maybe
Speaker 7: they'll share a little bit, but it's not a ton
Speaker 7: of data. They might go on a podcast and talk
Speaker 7: about it, but there's not a ton out there.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 7: There might be a website with some snippets, and so
Speaker 7: I'm trying to get people like real data, real analysis
Speaker 7: to look at. How do we get people actually reviewing
Speaker 7: footage in this space camp The more eyes on it,
Speaker 7: the better. How do we get people to collaborate, How
Speaker 7: do we get people to talk about stuff and not
Speaker 7: just the same old stuff, same old stories. I saw
Speaker 7: a bigfoot and that's the end of it, right, So
Speaker 7: that's where I was coming from since about November of
Speaker 7: last year, up in tweaking and architecting and building the
Speaker 7: front end architecture, the back end architecture, the reliability piece,
Speaker 7: trying to work through power, trying to work through how
Speaker 7: we automate everything, how we can get people to actually
Speaker 7: if they request footage, I can send them a hard
Speaker 7: link and they can watch two hour snippets of footage
Speaker 7: if they want to.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 7: So that's more or less division. And honestly, I'd love
Speaker 7: to get video footage and have somebody say, because inside
Speaker 7: the app itself you can report sighting and it goes
Speaker 7: to a database, I'd love to have somebody do that
Speaker 7: and I can name it after them, the John Doe Footage.
Speaker 7: But yeah, that's the intent. But I think it has
Speaker 7: applications beyond that. I think if we could really get
Speaker 7: people collaborating and growing this, it doesn't have to be
Speaker 7: just like two feeds. It could be fifty feeds all
Speaker 7: over North America. Anyone that wants to be part of it.
Speaker 7: I'm all for people reaching out to be and trying
Speaker 7: to get this all over the place because I think
Speaker 7: it's important. I think the discovery is important. I want
Speaker 7: people to know that Bigfoot's real because of my opinion
Speaker 7: it is.
Speaker 2: I think that's great.
Speaker 1: The collaboration thing is something that I have discussed so
Speaker 1: much recently in the last four or five months, Wayne
Speaker 1: and I have done entire episodes of that Bigfoot podcast
Speaker 1: about collaboration. Because here's my thing. It's very much like
Speaker 1: you said, there's little tidbits of data.
Speaker 2: Here and there.
Speaker 1: I think Scott Tompkins is doing some fantastic work with
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot Mapping Project. The BFRO does their thing. Then
Speaker 1: you got these people like the North American Wood Ape Conservancy.
Speaker 1: They're out in Area X. They're going out there and
Speaker 1: they're doing expeditions over the course of usually three to
Speaker 1: four months. They've extended them several times into four months
Speaker 1: spans where they are out there around the clock. Sometimes
Speaker 1: there's teams of seven eight people at one time in
Speaker 1: this area known to be activity. There are tons of
Speaker 1: anecdotal experiences. I've interviewed probably at this point maybe eight
Speaker 1: or ten people that have spent tons of time in
Speaker 1: Area X. They're all having rocks thrown at them. They're
Speaker 1: having visual encounters with these things. They're seeing juveniles, they're
Speaker 1: seeing what I consider to be babies going through trees.
Speaker 1: It's one of the hottest spots in my opinion, in
Speaker 1: the United States. Then you have Scott and Randy out
Speaker 1: at the four hundred. They're having very similar experiences, constant,
Speaker 1: not habituation situations, but they're having constant interactions to what
Speaker 1: they believe to be a troop of Sasquatch. They're casting
Speaker 1: different sized prints that would lead one to believe there's
Speaker 1: an alpha male, there's probably a big female. There's juveniles
Speaker 1: or smaller prints that are coming around. So you're dealing
Speaker 1: with a troop of bigfoot.
Speaker 2: But here's the problem.
Speaker 1: Everybody is operating completely autonomously. Nobody is communicating with anybody else.
Speaker 1: Nobody's allowing anybody on that research area. If you're not
Speaker 1: in the group, you're not in this clique. You don't
Speaker 1: get to come out to the four hundred. If you're
Speaker 1: not in the Nawac, you don't get to go to
Speaker 1: Area X. So I started this conversation probably three or
Speaker 1: four months ago with Wayne, and I'm like, why are
Speaker 1: we not collaborating as researchers in this community, because that,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, is the only way we're going to
Speaker 1: get this done. That's the only way we're going to
Speaker 1: solve this problem. And my idea was simple, if we
Speaker 1: have an area like Area X, and I've reached out
Speaker 1: to Brian Brown and some of those folks in Area X.
Speaker 1: I want to get out there. Brian Brown and some
Speaker 1: of those people have left the NAWAC. They're no longer
Speaker 1: a part of the North American Wooded Conservancy, but they
Speaker 1: operate in the valley right next door. That's where I
Speaker 1: want to go because I want to see one of
Speaker 1: these creatures. I want to have that interaction that's going
Speaker 1: to send me over the edge. It's going to push
Speaker 1: me to the point of being not just a believer,
Speaker 1: but a nowheer. I think that, honestly, even be beyond Radium,
Speaker 1: I believe there's Bigfoot in Radium. I believe I interacted
Speaker 1: with Bigfoot while I was up there in Radium last October.
Speaker 1: I think Area exes the place to do it. But
Speaker 1: here's the problem. We're not allowed to do that, right.
Speaker 1: I've reached out to people and said, hey, I want
Speaker 1: to get at least in the valley next door to
Speaker 1: possibly have an interaction with these things. And it hasn't
Speaker 1: happened yet. Not to say that it won't, but it
Speaker 1: hasn't happened yet. And here's the problem. You got the BFRO,
Speaker 1: the Bigfoot Field researchers organization. Arguably, I think it is
Speaker 1: the biggest Bigfoot organization in the world. They do expeditions
Speaker 1: all the time. I know people who run expeditions for
Speaker 1: the BFRO, but they're in North Carolina, they're in South Carolina,
Speaker 1: they're in Arkansas, They're in these regional places where they're
Speaker 1: possibly hotspots. But here's the question I had, why aren't
Speaker 1: we as a community coming together and saying, if the
Speaker 1: BFRO is doing expeditions month throughout the entire year, I
Speaker 1: guarantee you there's not a month of the year that
Speaker 1: there's not a BFRO expedition somewhere. Why can't Matt money
Speaker 1: Baker get together with Alton Higgins and all these people
Speaker 1: from the North American Wood Ape Conservancy and say, let's
Speaker 1: cover Area X for an entire twelve month period, round
Speaker 1: the clock. We can supply the people, we can have
Speaker 1: people boots on the ground the entire time, we can
Speaker 1: put up cameras, and we can solve this shit in
Speaker 1: a year. But nobody's willing to do that. So I
Speaker 1: don't understand it. I don't know if that's where you
Speaker 1: guys are wanting to go. But when I heard that
Speaker 1: you were doing this and you're looking to collaborate with people,
Speaker 1: And frankly, I was surprised that Todd was even allowing
Speaker 1: the possibility of having cameras in base camp. It shocked me,
Speaker 1: I'll be frank about it. But the more I thought
Speaker 1: about it, we had experiences in base camp. You've had
Speaker 1: experiences in base camp. Everybody I have interviewed that has
Speaker 1: had experiences in Radium has experienced something right there outside
Speaker 1: of those campers where you guys have now put these cameras.
Speaker 1: So I think it's brilliant. We had rocks thrown us there.
Speaker 1: We heard vocalizations that were probably twenty thirty yards in
Speaker 1: the woods there. We heard what sounded like samurai chatter.
Speaker 1: I think it's a brilliant idea that you guys are
Speaker 1: doing that. But I do wish that there could be
Speaker 1: more collaboration. Obviously, I just don't think it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: I've interviewed Shane Carpenter and I asked him the question pointedly,
Speaker 1: why aren't you allowing people to come into the four
Speaker 1: hundred and experience this and collaborate, And he said, Brian,
Speaker 1: we have What happens is when you involve other people.
Speaker 1: Shit goes south right, people come in, they don't pay
Speaker 1: attention to what your rules are. They don't interact with
Speaker 1: this klan the same way you do. They've had all
Speaker 1: these issues, and I know it's the same thing for
Speaker 1: Area X, and I know it's the same thing with
Speaker 1: the North American Wood ab Conservancy. I know it's probably
Speaker 1: the same thing with other areas that people are doing research.
Speaker 1: I know Todd's the same way. That's one of the
Speaker 1: first that you learn when you go to Radium is
Speaker 1: there's certain things you don't do when you hear a
Speaker 1: sasquatcher you're having an interaction, because it's been proven over
Speaker 1: time that you do this. When this happens, bad shit happens,
Speaker 1: and then we don't have activity for a week. You
Speaker 1: screw it up for everybody. So I said all that
Speaker 1: to say I get that. And one of the frank
Speaker 1: conversations you and I had early on when you first
Speaker 1: called me about this was Todd being involved. Frankly, and
Speaker 1: I'll make no qualms about it that the issues with
Speaker 1: Todd's credibility, in my mind, is a hampering aspect of
Speaker 1: this possibility of collaboration with other people just because he's
Speaker 1: connected with it. Is that something that you and Todd
Speaker 1: have talked about. Are you just simply going into this
Speaker 1: and you footing some of the bill, frankly, because I
Speaker 1: know you've got a lot of skin in the game.
Speaker 1: Is that something that you considered when you were going
Speaker 1: into this venture and how do you see that affecting
Speaker 1: what could be the possible collaboration with other groups in
Speaker 1: the future. Stay tuned for more Sasquatch Odyssey. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 7: My opinion is it's been the same since I've met Todd.
Speaker 7: Is everybody has their opinion of him, but I can't
Speaker 7: find anything that's illegitimate about his experiences or his footage.
Speaker 7: I know that's not everyone's opinion. That's just my opinion,
Speaker 7: so I'll just keep it at that. I can't change
Speaker 7: people's minds on that. So to me, it's about my
Speaker 7: experience out there, on all the people I've talked to
Speaker 7: out there, and just my relationship with Todd and just
Speaker 7: knowing him. I think that it's a good location to
Speaker 7: actually capture something. Honestly, whether you believe in his footage
Speaker 7: or not, let's just say it is reel one hundred
Speaker 7: percent all this stuff that he captured was literally over
Speaker 7: that mountain range that's right beside his base camp. All
Speaker 7: the close up shots and all those things. If you
Speaker 7: believe in the footage. I'm not signing everybody does. That's
Speaker 7: where it happened, if it is real. And my opinion
Speaker 7: as it is, I think it's the best close up
Speaker 7: footage of a sasquatch right. I've had experiences there and
Speaker 7: I think it's a good starting point. I think there's
Speaker 7: tons of other places to expand on, but it's a
Speaker 7: good starting point because I know Todd, I know the area,
Speaker 7: and I know he has whether you like or not,
Speaker 7: he has a big following and bigfoot right, so he
Speaker 7: can help propagate spread the word of trying to do
Speaker 7: this collaboration, trying to do the discovery, trying to get
Speaker 7: more data, and then we can just go from there.
Speaker 7: So short answer is, from my perspective, I don't see
Speaker 7: a problem with it. Other people that are just really
Speaker 7: just dead set on I hate Todd. They may just
Speaker 7: be like I'm done with it it begin with, and
Speaker 7: that's fine, but I look at all the evidence. I
Speaker 7: try to look at everyone's evidence and say, does that
Speaker 7: look credible? Is that I listen to your show. I
Speaker 7: listen to tons of shows, and I try not to
Speaker 7: throw the baby out with the bathwater. So that's just
Speaker 7: my opinion. So people that do that, to me, that's
Speaker 7: not really scientific, right. We need to keep going here.
Speaker 7: Whether you dislike that or not. Let's say relevant, let's
Speaker 7: get the discovery done, and let's keep going. That's just
Speaker 7: my perspective. I know people will have strong opinions about
Speaker 7: other people, and there's dogma bigfoot, and there's religion and Bigfoot.
Speaker 7: So I don't want to get into that. I just
Speaker 7: want the discovery to happen and then we'll go from there.
Speaker 7: What'll we do after the discovery. I know everyone talks
Speaker 7: about DNA and this and that, but let's get some
Speaker 7: more footage to start with, and we go down to
Speaker 7: eat DNA route because I just think it's super hard.
Speaker 7: So say, hey, we found this DNA out in the woods.
Speaker 7: It's a bigfoot. Even if you did, I don't know
Speaker 7: that people are going to take it as tangible evidence,
Speaker 7: like they're going to need audio visual DNA and then
Speaker 7: finally the bigfoot stand right in front of their face.
Speaker 7: So that's just my perspective.
Speaker 2: Look I've made no qualms about it.
Speaker 1: I've said I don't believe that Todd's footage is real,
Speaker 1: but I do believe that he's had experiences in Radium.
Speaker 1: I experienced it my and I certainly believe in you.
Speaker 1: I've believed in you since day one. I don't think
Speaker 1: anything you've ever told me has been anything other than
Speaker 1: one hundred percent authentic. So I was excited to know
Speaker 1: that you were involved in the process. Let's talk a
Speaker 1: little bit about the process itself and what the logistics
Speaker 1: have been like just getting the equipment to the area.
Speaker 1: I know where the place is, so I know how
Speaker 1: remote it is. Let's talk about the logistics of getting
Speaker 1: shipped to the area, getting it on those campers, and
Speaker 1: keeping it going and keeping the power on there.
Speaker 2: What has that been. Has it been quite a nightmare
Speaker 2: for you guys.
Speaker 7: It's definitely been a challenge. So I did try to
Speaker 7: ship some stuff at the beginning of the year, and
Speaker 7: that was just the big customs. It's just nightmare trying
Speaker 7: to ship s up to Canada. So I ended up
Speaker 7: going like I built everything and test it at all
Speaker 7: basically my own lab environment. It just had the cameras
Speaker 7: running basically outside of my backyard, just for testing and
Speaker 7: somewhoded stuff. But I basically just took all thequipment with
Speaker 7: me on the airplane to Canada and May Todd wasn't
Speaker 7: even there when I got there. I just started setting
Speaker 7: stuff up and he was out with people already doing
Speaker 7: He was up on the upper part of radium going
Speaker 7: up showing them some stuff. And by the time he
Speaker 7: got back, I had already halfway set up some of
Speaker 7: the infrastructure for the cameras, so we ended up one
Speaker 7: of the cameras. Him and I like basically went up
Speaker 7: this tree like fifteen feet that's where one of those
Speaker 7: things is actually nailed it into a tree, so we're
Speaker 7: not trying to hide it. I know Todd's perspective is
Speaker 7: purpose driven. You put things out with a purpose, and well,
Speaker 7: if you have the right and tent, you're not trying
Speaker 7: to be deceptive. They can feel energy. I don't know
Speaker 7: that that's true or not. I have no evidence to that.
Speaker 7: I know that's what Todd's perspective is, So I'm just
Speaker 7: going off of that a bit and being like, Hey,
Speaker 7: this is blatant. Here's a big ass white camera about
Speaker 7: a flip tall up in a tree. There's an outdoor
Speaker 7: eat cat six cable that's coming down and go. I
Speaker 7: actually buried all the cable under the ground so things
Speaker 7: wouldn't eat at it or run over it. So it
Speaker 7: took me while to do all that and bury all
Speaker 7: the cabling and run all the cabling. So I have
Speaker 7: the other one on top of the other. Middle cameper.
Speaker 7: I don't know what you want to call it, but
Speaker 7: it's pointing to the fire. But I can actually spend
Speaker 7: these are like pan till doom. I can spend these
Speaker 7: things three sixty I've really wanted to. And the people
Speaker 7: will be like, hey, we turn it to the left
Speaker 7: of the day, turn to the right. Like I can
Speaker 7: do all those things. I'm open to people saying, hey, tonight,
Speaker 7: I'd like you to point towards the mountain or whatever.
Speaker 7: I just can't get people that ability or everyone will
Speaker 7: be trying to move the camera at once, so that
Speaker 7: won't work. But I can. I'm open to people tell
Speaker 7: me what to do with it. There's that, and everything's
Speaker 7: powered off as starlink. So that's really the only solution
Speaker 7: I could find, and that was viable for as far
Speaker 7: as like doing upload, so right now. I've not to
Speaker 7: get super technical, but like it's basically it's ten ADP.
Speaker 7: I can get it up to four K. I need
Speaker 7: to buy another starlink system so I can manage the bandwidth.
Speaker 7: I can literally have four K out there in the
Speaker 7: middle of the woods, which I don't think anyone's doing.
Speaker 7: I can do so much more than that, but right
Speaker 7: now it's ten ADP and it's going I want to say,
Speaker 7: I've got three point five terabytes a month of data
Speaker 7: just to parse through. There's so much data I haven't
Speaker 7: even got to look at because I'm one person. That's why,
Speaker 7: to me, collaboration is key. I built the back end
Speaker 7: so everything it's think of it as a cloud DVR,
Speaker 7: So I architected it as a cloud DVR. Right now,
Speaker 7: I just wanted to make sure the user interface was
Speaker 7: pretty and it was usable and not hard to maintain,
Speaker 7: like not hard to actually use. But if anyone wanted
Speaker 7: to email me, like the emails in the app itself,
Speaker 7: it's just contact at bigfoot livestream dot org. Can say hey,
Speaker 7: I want to review the footage from two am to
Speaker 7: four am on Saturday, the whatever, I can literally send
Speaker 7: you a hard link share it and you can sit
Speaker 7: there and watch it yourself. It's totally open. I do
Speaker 7: have a lockdown so you can't get to it unless
Speaker 7: you request it, because I just I don't have I
Speaker 7: want it to be somewhat private and not open to
Speaker 7: the entire universe. But if anybody wants it, if they
Speaker 7: want to join and subscribe, I'll send it to you.
Speaker 6: I have.
Speaker 7: Actually I'm looking into my vision this will grow and
Speaker 7: just get bigger and have more interaction. But when it
Speaker 7: gets a little bit bigger and more traction, i'd say,
Speaker 7: like I've looked into actual thermal cameras that can run
Speaker 7: twenty four to seven as well. It is a lot
Speaker 7: of costs, but I think it's worth it, so I'll
Speaker 7: have literally I could have. I'm thinking I'm doing four
Speaker 7: cameras and then starting with one thermal and then going
Speaker 7: to another thermal, and then once we get to that point,
Speaker 7: we may expand in different areas. I also bought some
Speaker 7: other infrastructure to where we could push to signal out,
Speaker 7: like probably about half a mile from base camp. So
Speaker 7: when you do those, it doesn't even have to be
Speaker 7: night walks, just day hikes or whatever. If somebody sees
Speaker 7: something Todd whoever could just wear their phone and could
Speaker 7: relate to the app itself. You could watch it like
Speaker 7: a scheduled thing to where it's like, Hey, Wednesday, we're
Speaker 7: going to go for a hike. If you want to
Speaker 7: join us on this hike around base Camp. So I
Speaker 7: think it has a lot of possibilities and enhancements and
Speaker 7: stuff like that. And I don't know if anyone that's
Speaker 7: got it down to that point of what I'm trying
Speaker 7: to do. Like I said, I spent eight months just
Speaker 7: trying to do development work on it. I think, in
Speaker 7: my opinion, it's beautiful, but that's I'm the creator. I
Speaker 7: really just want people to enjoy it, and anyone that
Speaker 7: can't get out in the woods and really likes Bigfoot.
Speaker 7: I honestly, before I go to bed, I'll sit there
Speaker 7: and watch the feed and I created the dang thing.
Speaker 7: I want to see something that's just me. I am
Speaker 7: an active user of it. So right now, we have
Speaker 7: like wildfires in there, so we had to bring the
Speaker 7: system down that's been down for a week or so called,
Speaker 7: like the Ravenshead wildfire. So it's logistical nightmare right now.
Speaker 7: So we're working on getting back out there. It should
Speaker 7: be any day, right, I don't know. I can't give
Speaker 7: you an exact timeline, but yeah, it's been fun. And
Speaker 7: like I said, there's tons of lamentation you can do.
Speaker 7: There's tons of different I know you were you were
Speaker 7: asking me like all the problems, the battery problems. Oh
Speaker 7: my gosh, I think I'm eating some of the cost here,
Speaker 7: if not a lot of it. But Todd's kind of
Speaker 7: working on the power piece. He bought this five thousand
Speaker 7: dollars battery unit and it's just garbage. Like literally, it
Speaker 7: overheats and it's like dying, and the fan on the
Speaker 7: batteries eating up all the juice, and I'm just like,
Speaker 7: oh my gosh, we just got to get rid of
Speaker 7: this thing. So it's been like a stepping stone to
Speaker 7: try to figure out the best equipment for solar and
Speaker 7: batteries and all those things. I think cameras and the
Speaker 7: bandwidth and everything else are pretty perfect. The battery thing
Speaker 7: is the hardest part. So we have that figured out. Now.
Speaker 7: We just got to get back out there and fix
Speaker 7: a few things and then we'll be back up whenever
Speaker 7: the Canadian government lets us back on the logging road.
Speaker 7: It's been fun though. I really enjoyed doing it.
Speaker 1: You gave me access to it several weeks back, and
Speaker 1: I've been out there. Man, I've experienced that area.
Speaker 2: I tell you, it is a beautiful view.
Speaker 1: The cameras are in the perfect spots in my opinion,
Speaker 1: at least for what you've got set up now. I
Speaker 1: literally felt like I was back in base camp. It
Speaker 1: was really cool for me to experience. I looked at
Speaker 1: him during the day, I looked at him at night,
Speaker 1: and I felt like I was back where I belong.
Speaker 1: In a way, it sounds cheesy to say that, but
Speaker 1: if you haven't been there and experienced that experience, it's
Speaker 1: hard to explain to people. But the cameras are, in
Speaker 1: my opinion, the next best thing to take you there.
Speaker 1: Because I immediately thought, that's exactly where I had this experience,
Speaker 1: that's exactly where Richard had his experience. That's exactly where
Speaker 1: behind that tree is where Kyle saw.
Speaker 2: A sasquatch last year.
Speaker 1: I immediately went back to all of these things that
Speaker 1: I knew, that's what we had rocks thrown at us
Speaker 1: from that area, right behind where that fire pit is.
Speaker 1: I think you've done a brilliant job with setting that up,
Speaker 1: even if you haven't been there and experienced in person,
Speaker 1: I think it's the next best thing, because, like you said,
Speaker 1: there have been tons of experiences that have been had
Speaker 1: right there in that area where those cameras are pointing.
Speaker 1: If it's something that you want to experience it, maybe
Speaker 1: you just can't travel, Maybe you can't afford the travel,
Speaker 1: Maybe you can't do it for whatever reason, maybe it's
Speaker 1: physical limitations or whatever it is. In my opinion, the
Speaker 1: next best thing to get out in the woods in
Speaker 1: an area where there have been so many experiences. I
Speaker 1: guess the one question I have for you is something
Speaker 1: you touched on earlier. Maybe it's something that collectively, maybe
Speaker 1: this collaboration can help.
Speaker 2: What is the plan?
Speaker 1: Obviously nobody's monitoring these cameras twenty four hours a day,
Speaker 1: seven days a week. That would take tons of manpower.
Speaker 1: How are you handling all these terabytes of data? Could
Speaker 1: have potential evidence of a sasquatch. Maybe there's a sasquatch
Speaker 1: walking up into base camp and it's on film right
Speaker 1: now on these three and a half terabytes of data
Speaker 1: that you have. What is the plan to go through
Speaker 1: all of that and get through some of that data
Speaker 1: and hopefully find some evidence. I guess the second part
Speaker 1: of that question you can take one of the other
Speaker 1: first or second. Has there been things that have went
Speaker 1: on that have been captured on camera or have there
Speaker 1: been experiences in base camp since you guys have had
Speaker 1: the cameras up there.
Speaker 7: Okay, I'll answered the first question cost effectiveness. Unless there's
Speaker 7: tons of subscribers, I do have to like put it
Speaker 7: in the cold storage after probably three or four months.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of cost effective cloud computing out there
Speaker 7: for data storage. It's not like that part's not really
Speaker 7: the killer. It's more of the bandwidth that kills you.
Speaker 7: So right now I have three or four months of
Speaker 7: just I have it to where it harvests that every
Speaker 7: two hours and does it in two hour chunks. So
Speaker 7: it's just easier to review that way. I'm trying to
Speaker 7: be scientific with it and be an engineer at the
Speaker 7: same time. My process going forward is going to be
Speaker 7: I already have all that data, but after some odd months,
Speaker 7: I'm trying to build this machine learning system where I
Speaker 7: can pump into a few different services. Does recognition. So
Speaker 7: just think of an event driven architecture to where it's
Speaker 7: going to pump all that data into something that's going
Speaker 7: to be looking for face, it's going to be looking
Speaker 7: for movement, it's going to be looking for sounds that
Speaker 7: are not normal. So I have to train the model
Speaker 7: to do that, right, But it's all doable in today's technology.
Speaker 7: It's amazing. I just again, I'm one person though, so
Speaker 7: doing the development work and then doing the video processing
Speaker 7: it all takes time. So to me, that's what the
Speaker 7: next area focus on. The focus is going to be
Speaker 7: on pumping that all into machine learning and then actually
Speaker 7: I can make it to where it actually calls out
Speaker 7: all those things to where it'll actually imprint on the
Speaker 7: actual video itself. It'll say sound heard faates peer. Right,
Speaker 7: So technology, I didn't make it, but it's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Sasquatch Odyssey. We'll be right back
Speaker 1: after these messages.
Speaker 7: I'm trying to use all those services in the future.
Speaker 7: So that's my thought. If we get it to where
Speaker 7: it's more event driven, we get more people that are interested.
Speaker 7: It's going to have push notifications on the app to
Speaker 7: where if there is something to that nature. It can't
Speaker 7: be super real time, but near real time you'll get
Speaker 7: a notification saying there's a movement on the north camera,
Speaker 7: there's movement on the south camera, or face detected on
Speaker 7: north camera, whatever it may be. So that's where I
Speaker 7: want to get it to, and right now for subscribers,
Speaker 7: I'm going to have it to where like when people
Speaker 7: are out there on expedition and if they're having activity,
Speaker 7: it's where all the people that subscribe to the app
Speaker 7: and are interested in it, they'll get like an email
Speaker 7: notification saying, hey, where you have an activity? Until I
Speaker 7: get put the push notifications down. I wanted it to
Speaker 7: be able to where people could just download snippets. I
Speaker 7: literally fought Apple for six weeks on some of the
Speaker 7: security stuff. That's just a nightmare. So I'm just like,
Speaker 7: all right, just I'm done with it. Somebody wants the footage,
Speaker 7: I'll send it to them. I don't want to deal
Speaker 7: with That's all the logistical security breach nightmare and that
Speaker 7: Apple tries to put me through. So I'm just I'm
Speaker 7: just done with them. They aggravate me and to no ends.
Speaker 7: But yeah, that's my two cents on all that.
Speaker 1: Also, logan tell everybody what is the app? How can
Speaker 1: they get it? What do they get when they subscribe
Speaker 1: to the app. Obviously, if they have any questions, they
Speaker 1: can reach out to you, if you want to let
Speaker 1: them know how they can reach out to you, if
Speaker 1: they have any questions about subscribing, whatever you want to
Speaker 1: put out there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's on Android and Apple. I wanted to make
Speaker 7: sure it was on both. But it's just discovering Bigfoot.
Speaker 7: I think it's a good name, just based off Todd's documentary.
Speaker 7: And if you want to get a hold of me,
Speaker 7: it's just contact at bigfoot livestream dot org. And if
Speaker 7: you download the app, it's there. If you're down on
Speaker 7: the app and just make an account, you don't have
Speaker 7: to subscribe. You can read a couple of blurbs on there,
Speaker 7: and then if you do subscribe me and you want
Speaker 7: to be like, yeah, I'm done with this. The good
Speaker 7: thing about Apple and Android, you just go to your
Speaker 7: subscriptions on your phone and say delete. So I just
Speaker 7: try to make it easy for people. If you're interested,
Speaker 7: do it. If not, if you want to get rid
Speaker 7: of it, get rid of it. Is that something.
Speaker 1: I highly recommend everybody check it out. I will link
Speaker 1: to it in both places in the show notes. All
Speaker 1: you gotta do is click it, go check it out,
Speaker 1: give it an opportunity. If you haven't experienced base camp
Speaker 1: and radium, this is the next best thing.
Speaker 2: Go check it out.
Speaker 1: Show them some love, be a part of the Discovering
Speaker 1: Sasquatch journey. Logan, thanks so much for coming on the
Speaker 1: show man. I appreciate it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was awesome. Thanks, Brian's always good to be here.
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