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the highs. Tear fields. Take us Take us back too.
I mean, I assume it's two thousand and nine, but
if not, take us back to whenever you saw this
movie for the first time, and then what do you
think about it? You know, from then on in two day,
you know, a couple of weeks away from Avatar, the
Way of the Water.
Speaker 4: Saw this.
Speaker 6: I don't know if it was opening weekend, but it
was definitely within that first initial month for sure of
it coming to theaters because I didn't I didn't know
really what I was in for. I don't even remember
seeing trailers for it or anything like that. Two thousand
and nine. I was in grade nine at the time,
so I don't know where my priorities were, but it
definitely was not running the theater to see Avatar opening night.
Speaker 4: Wow, what I did see it.
Speaker 6: I remember I was with my friends and it was
a really really pleasant surprise. There were some friends that
couldn't make it to that showing, so I ended up
going back another time within the week to see it
again with my friends that couldn't make it, And then
I saw it a third time. I can't remember who
I was with, but I saw a third time and
then the fourth time. Yeah, same run. Fourth time was
within that month. Remember my family somehow got a DVD
of it and we watched it at home.
Speaker 5: So, uh, wait when did you watch it on DVD
within the month?
Speaker 1: The month? Yeah, so I legally downloaded.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I remember.
Speaker 5: The fans been such a fucking hypocrite.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 5: Many times there's like, oh I can't find Daredevil. Oh
maybe just find a way to watch it. I can't
do that. I can't break Hey.
Speaker 6: I remember my family comes into my my home that
I wasn't owning. It was my parents home, and says, hey,
I got this, let me.
Speaker 5: Looking at you watch this with me, or I'm going
to put a bullet in you Are you telling them?
Are you telling them that our Pandora copy that we
got bumped in?
Speaker 4: So uh four times in that first month.
Speaker 6: It was definitely a lot of Avatar, and as as
the years progressed, I always made a point of re
watching it, like every single year I've seen it. I
see this movie at least once or twice every single year.
And finally came to the point where, Okay, there's like
all these special editions out on DVD and Blu ray,
and I asked my mom for Christmas, like, hey, I
want to get the special extended editions. So it's got
three extended editions or like sorry, the theatrical and then
two extend editions, so.
Speaker 4: It's three version.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's no cover.
Speaker 6: So for me, Avatar has been something that I whenever
it's on I I just I'll sit in for the ride.
It's not even like background like footage either or background
movie like if it's on the TV and I find
it like it's plying, like I'll say, I invested into it.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 7: So today you're home for from work at your lunch,
and if you if it was on, you would have
just like missed work.
Speaker 6: Oh I wasn't home. I wasn't at home from my lunch.
I didn't go home and take a picture. This fucked up.
Speaker 4: I just had the photo from the night before That's
what I was reministic about. All Right, I go home,
my lunch bakes, take photos, and my lego sets to
share with you guys.
Speaker 1: You better noting.
Speaker 2: Avatar was an honor working touch.
Speaker 5: It, man, it said, I have a picture of it
in this exact form, and it's an inch off.
Speaker 2: He puts a hair over it.
Speaker 1: No, man, but.
Speaker 6: I was trying to think of I spent probably hours
today while I was working, trying to think of the
best way to kind of like handle this conversation of
where Avatar fits and how it fits in journalism, movie,
for for me in the world. And I just like
you know, I don't think the world's ready for that speech,
So I'm not going to go that way.
Speaker 3: I'll cop out.
Speaker 5: I'll save it for Avatar only, Avatar red show tailor
what Avatar fucking sucks?
Speaker 1: What if you hate it?
Speaker 4: What if Avatar sucks?
Speaker 2: No, I don't.
Speaker 4: That's why we're here because I love next. Oh well,
it won't affect.
Speaker 2: The speech, Okay, write down the speech.
Speaker 4: All right, fine, you persuaded me. I'm at a.
Speaker 1: Saving it for my litter box, actually.
Speaker 4: My litter box.
Speaker 1: I'm sticking it through my letter books. Sorry, I can't
tell you here.
Speaker 6: So when it comes to be like Avatar, yes, it's
it's very uh convoluted where everyone stands with it. Yes,
it made a lot of money, that's for certain, but
it's definitely a divided fan base.
Speaker 4: It's got the.
Speaker 6: Cult following, which I'm a member of, and then it's
got the other group of people that are exactly it's
got the other group of people that definitely go way
over the top.
Speaker 4: And they dress up and they go blue skin all
the time and everything, and I'm not.
Speaker 1: There the people. I don't think you're in the cal No,
that's not.
Speaker 2: That's not a cult.
Speaker 4: Oh no, No, that's.
Speaker 1: Like dressing up in your regular day and you're in
the Call.
Speaker 4: That's the deity group or whatever you want to call it.
But as far as.
Speaker 3: Why do they get an upgrade from the Call, they
should be a downratter.
Speaker 2: Than they actually put on the page.
Speaker 3: They have a dark community.
Speaker 6: But with that Vatar itself, I've always just been really
drawn into the messaging of this film. And yes the
messaging people can like fire off, like oh yeah, it's
just knockoff from Pocahontas and it's nothing new.
Speaker 4: It's all this jazz.
Speaker 6: But that's where I like Avatar, and not only the
sense that it's just a cinematic wonder. It's an awesome film,
just really kind of putting out awesome scenery and aesthetics
and everything like that, with great brown and greaking three
D scenes, if you want to call it that. But
at its core, I think that what Avatar really really
does well is that it reciprocates a message that I
think people need to hear but don't want to take
part in. And I think that is at the end
of the day, to its core, is that humans.
Speaker 1: That's just it.
Speaker 6: Humans can be ultimately pieces of shit, but then we're
also capable of really good things, and the pieces of
shit unfortunately outweigh the goodness that people can do. And
I think this is a message that is portrayed in
this movie that people don't want to see. People look
at it from the cinematic point like, oh, that was
such a shitty movie, just doing the shitty kind of storyline. Oh,
it's all overreacted, all over hype and stuff. So I
and I feel like that. I feel like there's there's
people that like freak out like that kind of stuff,
because when he's in the cult.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, he's saying people are civil wars amongst the cult,
and you say, yeah, different actions.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're.
Speaker 5: Saying people don't want to see that. It's hard to
say that when this is the biggest movie of all time, clearly,
but that's not to see it.
Speaker 6: It's a difference between like wanting to see it and
like needing to just take like see what is being
like introduced to them.
Speaker 4: Because I know people that.
Speaker 6: Hate Star Wars, but they went to Force Awakens and
it's not it's not like they needed to see it.
And I these people they didn't even want to see
it or need.
Speaker 4: To see it.
Speaker 6: I guess they need to see it. Let me let
me start fresh, let me start fresh. They need to
see it came from people that they knew that, We're like,
we need to see this because it's biggest Stars movie
of all time, so that their want was never existent.
Speaker 4: And I think that same notion applies over here.
Speaker 1: I can't understand what you're saying.
Speaker 6: That same notion applies to the Avatar, where the need
to see it is only because it's a billion dollar movie.
It's making tons of box of the box office, so
there's no want to see it, and when they want
to see this movie and they indulge in it, they
don't accept what they need to uh understand from this movie.
Speaker 2: You're the Weeds. We got to be back in the road.
Speaker 6: The need from this movie is basically just I think
people need to really understand where we fit into just
this kind of narrative of life and how the human
race can kind of fit in. And yes, we can
have it so easily explained in such a baseline view
of it being a cinematic experience, having the nave and
all these made makeup believe like storylines, narrative characters, all
that stuff. That's great, and I think it sugarcoats in
a very fine way. But at the end of the day,
why it's reciprocating a story that we've seen before and
other narratives that we're familiar with, is because I think,
and it's core. I think James Cameron, especially to wants
to at least help us understand that there are certain
things that people turn a blind eye to, and I
think we need to really open our eyes a lot
more because.
Speaker 4: We just we just don't.
Speaker 6: I think Avatar is a great reminder and I I
always I always have joked about this before, but you know,
it makes you want to be tra.
Speaker 7: I think that was your best delivery yet the third
attempt there you were you steered back.
Speaker 2: On the road.
Speaker 1: I got in there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, tries to have all that probably not.
Speaker 1: Spectrum.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know it's a it's a great speech, and
many part is that true. But I think there's a
reason she has camera this movie because you just want
to make a three D movie with some fucking blue aliens.
And that's why it has the same plot as Pocahontas
or Dancers with wolves or fern Gully, because it's like, well,
that's worked before. But that's not even my biggest problems.
That's not like I'm not that guy tweeting out all.
It's just the same movies, these the other ones it is.
And that's why I don't think there's anything to creative
from the story standpoint.
Speaker 1: I had seen this movie.
Speaker 5: I did see this opening weekend because at that point
in two that this is post two thousand and eight,
So this is post uh, this.
Speaker 1: Is post Dark Knights.
Speaker 5: And now I'm like, coming off a Dark Knight eleven
times theater, I'm like, this is m like kicks s
Bub's ass on a letter box any day of the
week and stuff like that. Because I'm just seeing movies.
I'm soaking it all in. I was that cent Oh,
I wouldn't be going to open like No, I had that.
I'm like, Okay, this big movie is coming out. It's
Jim camer Any Terminator did Titanic?
Speaker 2: I was, of course, me.
Speaker 1: And Jim go way back Jimmingham.
Speaker 2: Yeah the boards right, that's where you used to be.
Speaker 1: Exactly, the forums that were huge. Yeah, yeah, he was Jimbo.
Speaker 5: But anyway, so, no, I had seen that movie or
this movie. I've seen it now four times in full.
I saw one. I saw the opening weekend. I saw
it again because I don't think it is anymore. But
for a while it was my sister's favorite movie of
all time. She loved Avatar. So I went back watching with.
Speaker 4: Her, dressing up and all blue. She's I didn't sit
with her.
Speaker 5: I just I just busted with her and I sat
in the back. But no, and then of course, like
once it got home to DVD.
Speaker 2: You didn't sit with your sister. You went to see.
Speaker 5: I'm not speaking like Taylor over pop can't accept. Then
they accept it and the people accept.
Speaker 2: It for the slow people there you go.
Speaker 5: So and then I saw it once. Of course it
came to you know, Blu ray or DVD whatever it is.
I guess it was Blue ray at that point. And
then it was a few maybe a year ago, meaning
they tried to watch and we got about hour in
and we're like, okay, that's enough. And then so this was
my fourth full time. I liked it enough back in
the day. I think for me what happened was because
it became the biggest.
Speaker 1: Movie all time for me.
Speaker 5: I'm not talking about the Taylor aspect of whatever called.
They're talking about life. And I know there was that
whole section of people that were depressed when they found
out they couldn't go to Pandora.
Speaker 1: It was two thousand and nine, was it.
Speaker 2: I that Wow, weird.
Speaker 1: It's a weird.
Speaker 5: It's a real thing about people getting depressed when they
like got out of the movie and that couldn't be them.
I think it's the idea of like a Jake Sully
going into machine you escape whatever, Go pick up a
fucking video game, me escape every day. So anyways, so
you have that going on, so as it's ramping up,
and it's ramping up and getting bigger and bigger.
Speaker 1: That's when it started the whole ball.
Speaker 5: It's the biggest meal times, so it must be the
best movie all time. And that's where I really would
always push back against it, because even at that age,
I was like, and this was the age where I started
to turn away like the big blockbuster stuff, I wasn't
that interested in, like just for the sake of oh
look transformers, Like no, I need a sexual story here.
So with this I kind of felt like that, and
that's why I was a big campaign for the hurt Locker.
Thank god the hurt lock one for the Academy Awards.
So I've had a weird relationship with the movie where
I I enjoy it, but I will say now with
the few times I've seen at home, I think it's
definitely a much much better theatrical experience. I think once
you're at home it loses that magic. And I will
say it's definitely one of those three D movies at
the time where it's like, wow, look at this tech.
Speaker 1: And that's because you look into it.
Speaker 5: They use lots of three D equipment. They filmed in
the three D. It was bread and like I was
gonna say, butter, it was just bread.
Speaker 1: To be it was buttered. It was bread, it was
buttered to be a fully.
Speaker 5: Three D experience that was very successful that a bunch
of movies like, let's copy that, but they didn't want
to do the full three D thing.
Speaker 1: We'll just film it convert it. So I will give
it that.
Speaker 5: But that's where I feel like every time I watched
this movie, and even this time, I started fall asleep,
so I took a nap and came back to it. Uh,
I don't I don't dislike the movie, and it's not
like Transformer movies like oh, I don't know why people
couldn't like that or like like this or how.
Speaker 1: They watch this.
Speaker 5: I get why people like it, but for me, there's
just nothing too interesting about it when the story to me,
like we talkt about it, that's not a big conference,
but like it has been done before, it has been
done much much better.
Speaker 1: So it's like if I want to watch it for that, fine.
Speaker 5: The effects are good, but nowadays, like I don't think
they're bad now, they're just something about the nove that
just like they you know, when they talk aout people
that have a punchable face. That's just like the nove
as like a race. I'm not trying to sound like
racist against the novel.
Speaker 3: They would fuck you up, they would, but that's fine.
Speaker 5: Like there's just something, there's just something about them. They
look creepy and I don't really want to watch them. Uh,
this is something I wasn't pick up in two thousand
and nine. The dialogue in this movie is fucking awful.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 5: The first act I felt like, and Taylor will loves,
I felt like I was watching like some Xbox First
Party shooter game or something like that. Like I think
Gears of War has better writing than some of the
stuff going on in here. And that's where I would say, dude,
that's where the problem is with this movie. About what
you're talking about, Taylor. It's definitely there. But then James
Cameron also has this really big like dude broie side.
Like you watch his movie, he's a big dude bro.
He's the same guy that you can go read his
Spider Man's script, like his Spider Man script, like he
like webbed mg up and she was stuck and he's like,
oh Spider Man, Like they like there's this very like
bro eat it so James care always says.
Speaker 2: This one are the dude.
Speaker 6: I missed those completely. This I know, like the main
ranger Wreck is very dude broy but I never got.
Speaker 5: Even Jake's selling the middle movie, like when he sees
that monsters, yeah, piss off, Yeah, little bitch ass, Like
why do I need to see military bitch ass? And
while he's a novie like that's the time for a
little bitch ass, It's like what uh? And I think
there's just a lot of stuff before I throw it
over story wise that I would even like of why
the nave are just kind of fine with these like
air walkers hanging out like it.
Speaker 1: There's so much.
Speaker 5: Stuff that when we when you really peel back do Onion,
that's when the movie starts to fall apart. If you
just want to watch as a big action venture, sure,
but again there's other shorter action adventure movies I would
want to watch as well, because I feel this runtime.
I love Lord of the Rings, I love Endgame, I
love The Godfather. I watched those that feels like a
brisk ten minutes, like what adventure this? This was a
slog for me to get through again, So I don't
think I'll ever not watch it again, but it will
be because my girls want to watch it. Oh, sure
we can watch after, but I will never seek it out.
I'm not like Taylor. I wouldn't eve want his background
nois I'd rather just like turn the TV off. So yeah,
I at the end of day like to spoil my square,
like it's still pass.
Speaker 1: The movie for me, but nothing that I would return to.
Speaker 5: And I am interested to see what this sequels like,
but I think it's gonna be more the same, maybe
a little bit better, but more of the same.
Speaker 1: So those are my overalls. Kirklan Dylan who wants to
take it?
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Kirk, all right, I'll lift the mood back
up here.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 7: I love this movie so much. I saw this, I
guess two thousand and nine, and like when did it
come out?
Speaker 2: Like which month? You know?
Speaker 4: In December?
Speaker 2: Yeah, two nine? The month, yeah December?
Speaker 7: Okay, So I guess I would have seen this in
twenty ten because I this was I think the last
time like me, my sister, and my parents, like the family,
the four of us just went and saw a movie
together because that was my sister's grad year. So like
she she moved away like immediately afterwards, So it was
just it's weird that like that was actually the last
time that we're all getting together for this. And then
for way Water, I got tickets for me. I'm going
with my parents, and then I sent my sister a message.
She lives like twelve hours away, so she's not gonna
be able to make it, but still it's it's a
fun little like circle moment, you know. It's like this
movie that just brings us together. And like before, I
rewatched it for this retcho as well, I watched it
like with my last time Shane, I went to visit
my sister.
Speaker 2: We threw it on and watched it, and I love it.
Speaker 7: I think, like Travis, you brought up some great points
about like just some of the writing. It just doesn't
fully hold up of like the top peak quality of
like scriptwriting that I've seen in the past on other
movies or whatnot. But fortunately that doesn't phaze me. Like
I'm really just in it, like you said, like an
easy action adventure like thing, and it's not a super
original story by any means, but I think that the
execution of it is just so top class. Like I
watched this with shay On I don't know, two days ago,
and like like she even made the commience, Like I
can't believe how like well the CGI still holds up,
like it looks better than twenty twenty two CGI that
I've seen for like a lot of different projects just
this year alone. Right, So huge credit to like that
whole team. Obviously they spent a good penny on like
all that stuff, but clearly it worked out because this
is like nearly a three billion dollar uh box office
or just total money whatever that is. So yeah, I
love the execution of how Beautiful it is. Bought my
new TV this year, so it looked mighty fine watching
it on there, and yeah, it's it's just it's just
a fun time. I feel like the character of Jake Sully,
Yeah he's got those dude bro moments. But I feel
like Sam Sam Worthington, is that.
Speaker 2: The actor Sam, Yeah, I think he's.
Speaker 7: I think he's like really solid for this type of character,
which is like I love him and Clash.
Speaker 2: Of the Titans.
Speaker 7: I think that's and it's just like he just fits
that like protagonist, like main character in a video game
type type role, not not too much further than that.
But I think it works because I think the story,
although it's not like super original, I think it's still
like hits, like those emotional chords. It's probably just because
that original story of something like pokemonas something like for Angalie,
just like again the human race as Taylor was going
off on just taking over and ruining planets and stuff
like that, and it makes the story like more engaging
than just dumb action on screen, at least for me.
And I think that like the whole, the whole uh
just I guess lower behind the NAVV and iway I
think is like their deity that they go on about,
like it's I think all of that day, hey, thank you,
so yeah, I like all that stuff and the run time.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 7: I think for the action adventure it I want something
like Doune where I can just like sit down and
get totally immersed. And that's exactly what I get out
of this movie. Like it feels like two parts almost,
like when when they have like their initial adventure and
then when they're like getting ready for war like essentially
I guess like the world tree and afterwards like it's
it's like there's so much more action yet to come
at that point, and I love I love it for
that reason. Obviously, it's a time comitment, like what nearly
three hours I think this movie.
Speaker 2: Two.
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I I really really like this movie. And
I've seen it I don't know, maybe six or seven times,
but like, I feel like every every watch has been
like super enjoyable. It's it's not like I've watched like
half of it and turned it off, Like I've totally
been engaged, and yeah, I love this movie. I'm excited
to break down the details. Obviously, it's just become like
these these mean moments, probably due to the podcast and
the twenty four hour streams that's just going off about
Jujuvi's So there's like leading up to a certain scene
that I'm sure we'll talk about it. I'm just like
giggling to myself and Shade has no idea because she's
not in on these inside jokes and she don't even
want to know because she knows it's just stupid humor,
which it is.
Speaker 2: But I uh, I love it.
Speaker 3: It's great humor.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
Speaker 7: Yeah, she's in the wrong. It's like the joker thing.
You wouldn't get it.
Speaker 2: I'm like smoking my cigarette on the couch.
Speaker 3: For me, my story with Avatar is a lot shorter
than you guys, which is that I did not see
this in theaters, which I don't know if that lends
to my thoughts on it. But I remember watching it
like probably like soon after it hit Blu Ray whatever
it was, at my cousin's place, watched it with him,
and I don't I just I have like no memory
of that, like watching it again this week may as
well have been the first time I watched. I just
was in one year out the other. Apparently when I
watched that one, I think the run time was something
even though I like Lord of the Rings back in
the day, but that just felt incredibly long. But yeah,
I guess that's that to me though. That's like interesting
because I was at that perfect ripe agent like middle
school there where I should have really liked this, I think,
and I don't know why I didn't, And since it's
such a fleeting memory, I really couldn't tell you. I
don't think I had like an analytical mind for that
when I was watching this at the time. But anyway,
watching it again now this will be the second time
I've watched it, but truly feels like the first and yeah,
I got I gotta say more on Traps's side of
things here, where I just I don't know, there's that
element that Taylor was talking about with the kind of
colonialism storyline, and I guess it just felt like level
one of that, like it never there was never really
any nuance to it. I think when I look at this,
I'm like, I wonder why this has affected people so much,
and I'm very curious to hear more reasons from Taylor
and Kirkland. Obviously guys just gave a lot there. But
you know, one thing that I think is really cool
in concept for this is that, like how many big
budget action movies is there with a lead protagonist is
someone who's disabled? Like, that's really cool, and I'm sure
that is. That's the thing where I wonder for disabled
people if that is an inspiration because this movie does it,
or if it's not, because it's kind of like the
sci fi element where it's like, oh, but then he
becomes not disabled.
Speaker 5: And he can do the whole stories about either you
can be na fe and not disabled, or you can
stay with us humans and not be disabled.
Speaker 1: It's all about you don't want to be disabled.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which so I wonder if that is actually something
that they enjoy about this or if they just feel
like it kind of botches that idea. But I mean,
I think beyond just like being physically disabled, like being
in a wheelchair something like that, even for people who
maybe are struggling mentally or some other thing, like maybe
they find some solace in having a lead protagonist of
a character like this. But like I mean, I'm that
is not my perspective on it. And I just found
that this guy was just like cut any charisma out
of any scene I was watching. I think it's very
hard for me to get invested in a story when,
especially this long of a movie, when the protagonist is
someone that I just don't care about at all. And
I really tried, and unfortunately that just kind of bleeds
into everything, like it's it's the action, it's the romance thing,
the overall narrative. I if you guys ever watched like
one of those interviews with a serial killer or something
like that, and they have like a polygraph or something
and they're talking about what they've done and they just
because they don't have empathy, like they just nothing tracks
for them, you know, like they're talking about these just
things that make everyone sick their stomach, but they for them,
it's like nothing, no blip in the brain. That was
me watching Avatar, like nothing, nothing moved me anywhere. It
wasn't even that I was like I actively hate this,
but there was nothing that I liked either. I was
just like a blank, emotionless person for three hours straight. Yeah,
and then it felt like three hours. I mean I did.
I watched this in three sittings, so like a TV show,
and it still felt like, oh God, each time I
gotta sit down, it felt like, I mean, it is work,
you know, for the podcast, and it really felt like it.
Speaker 4: So was this on one point five speed?
Speaker 8: No.
Speaker 3: I watched this in good old.
Speaker 6: I.
Speaker 3: I really, I try. I tried my hardest. But yeah,
I'm I'm excited to hear more of your guys reasons.
But yeah, for me, it's one that I don't think
i'll ever watch again. I don't really see a reason too,
and I'm not very excited for the sequel. I do
have my ticket. I'm gonna be there, so I'm gonna
but I'm gonna go in. I'm gonna try and be
positive once again. You guys all mention that, like, the
theater experience is such a profound thing for this and
I think that could be a good thing too, because,
as to Kirkland's point, like this this was Momot said game.
This movie still looks amazing. This cgi is fantastic and
there's cool stuff. I wish I cared more about Pandora
as as a place as a people, but like, visually
it is amazing, So I am excited to see that
in theaters. I also haven't gone to a three D
movie in a long time. I'm not like Maddie where
I just absolutely hate three D, so I hope I
can have that immersed experience, which I haven't been able
to have as I've only seen this movie on a
couch at home. So there you go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, let's take first ad break and then we're
gonna get into all the Pandora and Nave and Jake Goodness.
Speaker 1: Will be right back.
Speaker 5: And we're back. Yeah, let let's start with our predatus.
I want to start with Jake's Jake Sule Yeah, the
Big Baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was gonna be my name. I think it
was The Big Baby.
Speaker 5: Just now, Yeah, I remember I remember my dad just like,
how many fucking times are gonna say big baby. I'm like, yeah,
they're going, They're going. He doesn't say big baby baby,
It's like, what copy did you get?
Speaker 1: Does say little baby?
Speaker 4: What does she call a little or anything like a baby?
Speaker 2: Like a baby?
Speaker 3: And then get it like that sounds like little to
some people.
Speaker 1: Michael Snell. Yeah.
Speaker 5: And then and then my dad I could just see
his eyes rolling the back of his head when it ended.
She's like holding like a baby and she's, oh my
fucking god. So I was like a little baby.
Speaker 1: He's like, oh, I get it, Like oh man.
Speaker 5: But anyways, that's some experience with Michael snow during this
fundy uh yeah, because that was the same thing I
saw with my family too. And I will say not
to sound like Martin Scorsese, but I I'm not gonna
say this is in cinema. I'm not gonna go that far,
but I think this is like what he describes. And
people can't even feel this way about the Marvel stuff.
That's fine, but that's where I feel like. The first
one is like it feels very much like an amusement
park ride in the theaters, and that's what makes it
like a bigger moment.
Speaker 1: So hopefully the second one will have that.
Speaker 5: But yeah, let's let's start with Jake's Sally because I'm
I'm much like Dylan where Sam Worthington's in this movie.
Pops Hollywood for a while tried to make him a
guy like he wasn't Clash Titans, he was in a
Terminator after that. But I think there's a reason he
just never became one of those top guys because there
is just for me, there's just even when he's Jake
or when he's Nave Jake, it's all the same.
Speaker 7: And I know that's hard to don't forget he was
also Tommy in the credits.
Speaker 5: Oh fuck yeah, or if he's Tommy whoever. Yeah, like
when he's alive and when it's the corpse, there's no
difference as far as his level, you know, like they're
the same. And yeah, I just that's where I feel
like it is very video gaming, because I think it's
almost you have to pour what you wanted that character.
But the difference is a video game you can kind
of get away with that because you're making the choices.
Speaker 1: We don't make Jake's choices here, so I.
Speaker 5: I I think he's fine in a way of he
doesn't he just has to be the guy, like he
has to.
Speaker 1: Be our main character.
Speaker 5: But I don't really invest in him that I don't
care about him that much. I think the only person
I really care about this is NATURI. That's the only
person I care in this movie. Better than that, it
just kind of yeah, there's I don't have much say
on Sam, Like it's not bad acting, it's just just
mean potatoes, very just kind of paint by numbers.
Speaker 1: You know. I can't I can't invest in Jake Swooley.
Speaker 2: So that's so yeah.
Speaker 7: To give my little take on it, I I feel
like they do again, maybe it's just because it's kind
of limited in the performance or whatnot, But like I
think he fits the role of just that like former
jar head, you know type character, where like he is
just a meathead, like he doesn't really make smart decisions
at all, and is disrespectful and many times like throughout
just I don't know, like dealing with the TII or
like just the native people the Nave and like their
their way of thinking or whatnot. And I think that
like that performance it fits what a character like that
would be like he very much is that jar head.
And although there's not like an allscrowinging performance of him,
like I don't know, having like a very obvious shift,
but I think the like doing the vlogs and stuff
helps a lot at least for me to like see
that transition of him starting to realize that like this
is actually kind of fucked up, and like I feel
like like it seems like they're going in that direction
of like he he is this like change person just
again like becoming like one of the nave and like
their way of thinking of.
Speaker 2: I help me, Taylor, what's the deity's name?
Speaker 7: I way awa awa, I'll get it.
Speaker 2: I'll get it right next time.
Speaker 7: But yeah, just like how all of that exists on Pandora,
like they're all one being. I think they get there,
but it just it could have been dialed up a
little bit more of having like a really big impactful shift.
I think it just it seems like they're going for there,
but it didn't hit like the perfect trajectory for what
I would have wanted. That might have for me would
have made it like a perfect a movie. So so
maybe it's spoilers that I don't think it is a
perfect movie because there is stuff like that, but yeah,
just just the fact that he is that jar head.
He is working with Quorich I think is his name,
the Colonel the Jujubi. And I think that fits at least. Again,
like it doesn't make me really like the character at
that point in time in the movie, because he is
just totally fucking over the Novey and like being again
being disrespectful just the science team and like they've worked
so hard to get there, and he's just he just
happened to be that guy that won the lottery sort
of to be able to like just become an yeah,
an Avatar user. And I think that fits at least
for the way that the character was written.
Speaker 3: I think part of it for me is what Travis
said were the writing is just very strange in this
movie at times outside of the dubro eas stuff. Like
I wrote this line down when he's talking about his
brother at the beginning and he says that a guy
with his a guy with a gun into his journey
for the paper in his wallet. Is like how he
describes that he like you know, got killed by whatever,
some guy on the street. It's like that is just
such a strange way to like have that line of
dialogue portrayed there, and that happened all the time where
I was just like puzzled at the word choice. It
was almost as if like James Cameron wrote these. I
assume he's a writer too, not just directory.
Speaker 1: I think he had someone else with him too, want it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I just feel like at times it's like
they wrote a movie and then they just took out
a theosaurus and put in like synonyms for like.
Speaker 2: Half the words.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it doesn't feel like those things weren't done
very purposefully, and then the characters having to say it
just doesn't come across well. So I don't know, It's
it's hard for me to pinpoint exactly what that is,
but there there is something about just the dialogue that
it feels extra strange to me and to me for him,
he's a character that has a lot of dialogue. Therefore
he has a lot of that happened to him.
Speaker 1: To me, it feels like they wanted him to kind
of be the best of both worlds, where.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we want him be a vet, we want to
be like curricle and said like a jar hen and
stuff like that, But we don't want him to be dumb,
you know, like we don't want to do that, so
we're gonna give him like he's well educated or there's
like similar things to his brother that he get, you know, Oh,
this is why he's like this. But it's yeah, there's
just even way, like I guess that's where same thing
to it when he's being aggressive. It's just even the
kind of lack of emotion that he has. I just
I can never get on board because it's like is
he aggressive or does he just kind of not know?
Like he'll kind of snap back at Sengorney Weaver a
few times, and I know that's what they're trying to
go for, but it sometimes just almost comes off as
like he doesn't know if he's doing the wrong thing.
And yeah, I like the setup of a okay, you
had a twin brother.
Speaker 1: This is the only way we can do it. You know.
Speaker 5: It's a free ride and they're agatt they're offering his
like he's back and they're offering like sixty years and
this that.
Speaker 1: So I like the initial setup. But Taylor, are you
on Jake? Oh?
Speaker 4: I love him.
Speaker 6: I know Sam Wellington like just as an actor. Clash
of Titans rather Titans man alledged.
Speaker 4: That was a good one there. Oh my god, I've
seen that too. Oh yeah, that's a good one. Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 6: But in general, with with his performance here, I I
think I I would kind of reciprocate how you kind
of put a Kirkle in there where he's just this
baseline grunt coming in.
Speaker 4: He's just he's an ass.
Speaker 6: He's disrespecting the way of like their culture, everything like that.
And I like it because he is a distinct good representation.
I think a majority of people just in general being
thrown into this situation like it's it's just he's.
Speaker 4: He's portraying a bit.
Speaker 6: I don't mean there's no offense, but a basic human
being that would probably just be this, you know, is
brought up in this mechanical, rigid society full of like
metal and buildings and everything like that with technology, and
so here he is thrown into this world with all
this bullshit to this point. And this is the majority
of people, the reaction, how they interpret it. So I
think it's very fitting and I think that it's it's
for me, it's enjoyable to see Sam's transition into this
character that starts to empty everything from this metallic world
and this technology filled world and just kind of transition
into this character that is still very human but is
understanding this navi's perspective and point of life. And for me,
I think Sam really does a good job of delivering
that because even when you see it in his video logues,
he's just kind of transitioning that. And I like that
videologue too, where we finally get him conveying like, you know,
the Navy, they're never gonna move, like they're just they're
gonna stay. There's no negotiation or anything like that. But
feeling that weight of him admitting to this and saying it.
I really I like that because he's he's really changed
at that point, and other other moments too with just
his character. I think you're right, Travis. There was some
moments though with the emotion conveying in his human form
it's kind of like it's a little questionable, but once
he like he's in that CGI navvy form, the emotion's
really there. I mean, he's hissing at fucking ranger Rick
and everything like that, you know, being called out side.
Speaker 1: Why is he doing that?
Speaker 4: Why is he he's getting into it?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 4: When you case play, you really just start to feel
like you're that character.
Speaker 5: So yeah, it feels like a little culture appropriation the novel.
It's just weird, Like I just don't I know, he's
been there for a while, but I just don't buy
when he hisses at him because it always stands up me.
Speaker 1: He's like, I just I just don't buy he would
hiss them.
Speaker 5: And I get it, he's I guess fully accepted of
being one. But it just just feels kind of odd.
Speaker 1: And that's where it just comes back again, where Okay,
the setup is that.
Speaker 5: They're trying to get unattainium Oh my god on a table.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's just that's the stuff where it's just like,
why just call it something else, please? Whatever? Cool, that's funny. Uh.
Speaker 5: And then so they their plan is that they're going
to learn about the NAVI stuff like that and eventually
either negotiate, trick them, or kill them to take their
land and stuff like that. But the Navy don't have
anything to do with that, and I think for me,
it's just what's strange from the Navi's point of view
because they can't, like, I know, people go, oh, well,
they're just they haven't seen some of the tech before,
and they're you know, they keep themselves. I get that,
but they're very clearly.
Speaker 1: Understand like we see that there's a smart race.
Speaker 5: I can do things like take down these fucking people
that have all these guns and equipment everything.
Speaker 1: And I guess it's just strange, like they never.
Speaker 5: I wanted more of why they just cool their like
air walkers possessing their bodies and walking around right, Like,
why is it not that they can just the the
air walkers or skywalker?
Speaker 1: What the fuck did they call them?
Speaker 2: Were the air walkersky people?
Speaker 1: Sky people? Right? For this?
Speaker 2: Yeah? They have another word.
Speaker 7: Actually for like the ones in the Avatar bodies. Do
you remember what it was?
Speaker 1: Are they dream walkers or something like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, dream walkers.
Speaker 5: Sucking I knew, But no, Like, I guess it's just weird,
like if it's like, oh, we're here for like just
like to for scientists reasons, why wouldn't they just be
in their masks stuff like that point never really makes
sense to me from all the way around, of like
it would have made more sense if they kept that
hush hush and for some reason like these but then
even then that causes problems is like, hey, who are
these other Novi people where we've seen them? So for me,
it's a it's a weird jump to I like the
concept of all we got these ANNs bodies, but for
the aliens and Nave just to.
Speaker 1: Be so cool and so fine that not really unexplaination.
Speaker 5: I've never been able to get over that hump of
well they should have fucking saw this, like it just
like it, like when they're so shocked that the people
are here to take their stuff and kill them. I
know they probably have them interaction, but you literally have
these people possessing the body of your race like they're
already doing like weird stuff.
Speaker 1: So I don't know.
Speaker 5: There's just the the science and everything I tried to
put in the back of my mind and ignore and
like the concept of how they get it going, because
I don't think it works for me, the actual concept
of like, okay, we just need to make them an
alien body so you can go on this adventure.
Speaker 1: Okay cool.
Speaker 6: I don't know if they fully clued into the possession
kind of thing, because that was that was clued into
after when like Jake passed out and then they like
freaked out, like, oh my god, it's like a demon
possessing this body. Right, So I like we all know
or not we all know, but they all know in
the movie sense, there's other clans and there's other different
nav out there, different tribes. So I imagine they probably
just thought that these Navi were associayed and just affiliated
with the humans.
Speaker 4: And I took it too. When they say dream Walker,
they like knew.
Speaker 1: I thought early on they knew that these people are
with the humans and stuff like.
Speaker 6: Well, I didn't think they I don't think that they
took it as they were the humans. I think they
suspected that they were just a clan with the humans.
Speaker 7: And it's like they had like Grace's like a school
that's teaching them like English, and like I would imagine
human concepts or whatnot. But that's something that's I feel
like isn't fully explained even in the movie of just.
Speaker 4: In the movie scenes they have, they have a little
bit more.
Speaker 5: That's sketchy DVD at all.
Speaker 1: That doesn't count for this movie though.
Speaker 6: When they say dream Walker, I just kind of affiliated
that too, like oh, like you're you're you're losing it,
like your cuckoo, because like why you follow in these
dreams like with these humans, because they're idiots, Like their
cups are already full, right, like they're there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something walking in the I didn't.
Speaker 6: I didn't take it back, not until like the possession thing,
because like when when he passes out, that's when it
clicks in, like, oh my god, look he's just a
demon an empty body.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm doing.
Speaker 7: Sorry, something that they could explain a little bit more,
I think, oh definitely.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 7: And then for like I guess, like the humans motivation
to have the avatar bodies is just like a way
for them to interact the Navy, because there's not ever
like a human really until like wartime goes out where
they're like they're on like the same field of each other,
right because like the novie.
Speaker 2: You're just so much bigger, stronger.
Speaker 7: Fuck their bows are going through like reinforced glass or whatever,
you know, you know when it comes to wartime or whatnot.
So yeah, just for research purposes. It's it's interesting that
they didn't talk about like the possibility of it like
a military matter. I guess just because it's so expensive
they can only have a certain amount of Avatars. But yeah,
like again, that's that's stuff that while the movie's on,
like I'm not even really thinking about. It's just like,
oh man, look at those colorful lights on screen, like
the actual logistics on how it all works.
Speaker 2: I think I'm just in it for the ride there.
Speaker 7: But it's a good question to pose, you know, like
the full the way that the Navvy treat the dream
Walkers and their relation to the humans and just how
fucked up that concept really is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I guess we don't really get like another clan.
We only see that one group in this right.
Speaker 7: Until like wartime when they're the what's his name, Talc
do something.
Speaker 4: The giant alien bird thing, but like.
Speaker 7: His term because he gets called something when he is
the rider of it, right like Niti's grandfather was the previous.
Speaker 6: One, right, you know, you know what, Travis, he knows.
Speaker 5: All the what I was just reading about, how I
was right about Avatar and Jake and everything, all the
threads they see is yeah, they know right away for
all these like they have five fingers and they pick
up on that where the Navy don't they have four.
She makes a comment right away about him not being
like the actual nave.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they know right away.
Speaker 5: So it makes no sense what we're talking about grandfathers
and riding stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't know who what is the name of someone
that rides to McDowell.
Speaker 1: If I don't fucking know that.
Speaker 4: Knows this ship? What is this?
Speaker 5: I know about story, not about and whoever rides it.
I don't care about that. It's just like it is
such a random.
Speaker 6: I think, Uh, Mactow is the name of the person.
A great leonoptrix is what.
Speaker 4: They they call the Mactow'. That's what they're called.
Speaker 2: Ru McDowell. There you go. I knew it the whole way.
I don't do it all.
Speaker 6: I will just to kind of piggyback before we transition
away from Mactowe. That's probably my favorite scene in the movie.
And I get so amped and in the scene, like
I get off the couch, I'm standing up like full
like power stants, like ready to go, because it was.
Speaker 4: When Sam Worthington's narrating, like.
Speaker 6: We first we rode out to the horse planes, then
we went out to the coast of the flyers, and
you just get these quick transitions. Everyone's like joining like
the whole war front. And then he's just standing there
in this pan shot when he's got his war paint
on and you see like all of the thousands of
like the the reinforcements pouring in. I'm like, oh, and
that's score kicks in.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 6: That was one of the first tracks that I think
I tried, like get it downloading on my MP three
of some Yeah. Yeah, but fuck, it's such a good
fucking score and scene.
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 6: And then it just quick cuts to just Ranger Rick
like they will overrun our perimeter and all that ship.
Speaker 4: Like it's so good.
Speaker 3: I think Ranger Rick is like maybe my favorite character
just because of how weird he is. Like I we
memed on that one scene, but I just found like
every scene, every like line of dialogue he had was
juicy in some way. Now, I don't know. I didn't
find him to be a very compelling villain. He was
more just like as an oddball. I liked him, like
from the mean potential of it. But I don't know, what,
what do you guys think about that? Because to me,
that's like one of the weakest things here is that
Like that, I think that's where the story is just
so one note is that the bad guys are just
I don't know, there's no like nuance to their plan
or anything like that.
Speaker 5: Well, and I'm with you where I'm of two minds
where I enjoy watching his performance, but I don't know
if this performance is right for this We know that
this movie to me is great, but just the fact
that I feel like they're trying to make it very
dramatic and very serious, and I feel that he breaks
through that, like especially near the end when they're trying
to be even more so like Navvy or dying and
stuff like that, and you'll they'll just cut to him
and he'll just be like first rounds on me, boys,
and it's just like it it takes me. You can
do that type of character, but I think he hams
it up so much that it takes me out of it.
Where I enjoy watching him, but I don't think it
helps the movie. And yeah, he's just the character. The
second you meet him, you know what route the story
is gonna go. Like I even tell them to, and
I'm like, Okay, they're just gonna turn like you. There's
no there's no sign of they're not gonna try and
just kill the Navy and take the Unattainium or on
whatever it's called. They're like, that's the route we're gonna go,
and he's just generic guy number one. And even Sam
Rlington he's with him for a little like the first
actor together, he promised on his legs are showing the map,
and then Sam Worthington is one thing wrong and from
that point on he's like, I'm fucking watching this guy
and blah blah blah, and he watches him doesn't do
the great job because he watched it to like like
he lets a lot of shit happen and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, I like Stephen Lang. I like that
he commits.
Speaker 5: I'm not a fan that he's gonna be back in
the sequel just playing the same character.
Speaker 1: But NAVI, I'm not looking for I'm not.
Speaker 5: Looking That's some of the most like lame as casting ever,
Like we're gonna do it again, but he's just gonna
be like like that's he's just a navvy person.
Speaker 1: This time is like okay, cool.
Speaker 5: So I think that's gonna wear on me even more
the second time. But I think Steve Lange does a
good job. He's fun.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I really like his character in this and I think,
like when I really stew on it, like, yes, I
completely agree like Dylan's but like he's not like a
really uh like I don't like a top notch villain
in the sense of like, oh, I can see where
he's coming.
Speaker 2: From, and like I kind of.
Speaker 7: No, definitely not like the memeable moments for sure, And
I like try to said like he's hamming it up,
and I love all that stuff, Like I it's so entertaining,
and I think everything kind of up until he like
really like like until the Nave are like in their
like inner sanctum thing like the like basically the main
tree whatever it's called. I didn't prep my notes for
all the Nave terms, unfortunately, but yeah, the essentially like
what was called, Yeah is that home tree.
Speaker 2: No, that's the one that blows up. Yeah, that's what
it was like, Yeah, the tree souls. So when they're
at the tree.
Speaker 1: Is like they say that the Winter's Soldier home tree
freight car.
Speaker 5: Down pond like once once once the Nave retreat there,
and he's like, we're gonna murder all of them.
Speaker 7: It's just like, Okay, this is a little bit too much.
But I think everything leading up to up until that point,
I think it's completely fine because he's representing like a
kernel of like a private military group. And I've seen
so many types of movies like this or even just
video games of like the pmc's the private military group,
those soldiers that just want to keep like making money
and be soldiers, like these asshole type characters.
Speaker 2: They're always kind of like written that.
Speaker 7: Same way, and I think him being like the kernel
of all those types of characters, it completely fits for again,
because Pandora is so dangerous. This guy is the not
scared side of it. Like this is like kind of
his home, just you know, like this Vietnam like general
who's like that never wants to leave, like the Vietnam
like jungle, Like he like this is his territory and
he lives for this, you know his scar. I kind
of like it, you know, it reminds me of what's
out there, Like like all of those lines and every
single line that he drops, it seems like it's just
one of those like macho colonel type lines, and it
makes me giggle because some of them are just so
ridiculous and like it doesn't really make sense why he'd
be saying that specific line in the moment, but he does,
and I think it works because that's just it's not
like he is one way and the flips that way.
He is pretty much the same throughout the entire movie
and until that snap when he goes even further and
he like like he's just sending his men to die
at that point, and there's no real reason for it,
Like I guess he's preemptive for if they're gonna like
counter against the humans, which I guess would have happened.
So maybe he did make the right decision there, but
it was just a little bit extreme and it really
was like Selfridge, the uh the like the whatever his
title would be, like the CEO. I guess, like he's
just he's like out of the movie essentially at that point,
because it's just like Korich's show, like the Colonel Ranger Rick.
Speaker 2: So I think that twist, like I like it for.
Speaker 7: What the movie is, but for the character stuff, it's
just you I think you gotta look past it because
it could really be jarring maybe if you if you
stew on that a little bit too much, like the
switching of those characters.
Speaker 3: But to go into that meme scene that we watched
on the twenty four hour stream and then it couldn't
shut up.
Speaker 5: The first ten minutes too. I was pleasantly surprised about that.
I was ready super quick.
Speaker 3: They go right into it, but we memed on that
line and change that line from eyes different juju bes
to ship your ass for jujib of course of the
logical transition. But I didn't really think about this until
I was watching it. But juju be is, like I've
always said that as jujubs, and that's what I said
in the intro, and that's my nickname, is am I
the only because I feel like my whole family and
everyone I've ever heard mentioned that snack has always said jujubs.
Speaker 7: I completely agree, and now I will always say juju
be is because of this movie and this meme, I
think that we can.
Speaker 3: But is that actually correct though? Or is that like, okay,
this character would say that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: I get, Yeah, maybe that's like their American like way
of saying it.
Speaker 7: I don't know, i'ven't I haven't asked American to say that.
Speaker 3: Travis, what about you?
Speaker 2: Jujubs?
Speaker 1: I don't know what a what is a jubjube?
Speaker 3: It's like a little yeah, yeah, look it up you.
I'm sure you've seen it, Taylor, how about you?
Speaker 1: Are you?
Speaker 4: I've been known to say like jujus.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I thought I was the crazy one.
Speaker 6: Okay when I heard juju be I thought he was
talking about like an alien thing on Pandora.
Speaker 3: He's chewing up the eye and he's like spinning it
out like a little juju.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, I saw those.
Speaker 5: I don't think I've ever no one ever heard them
as grab your juju be'sor like, I think they're just
like gum me like, I don't think.
Speaker 1: They ever like yeah, like whatever they there. I don't
think I've ever heard anyone refer them as juju.
Speaker 5: Like I only knew juju bebs because it's a jujus.
Speaker 3: I guess I think Kirkland's theory is maybe the best
where maybe that's just like an American thing. I feel
like that's one of those random things that would happen
in translation. How do you say it jujubs, ju.
Speaker 1: Jujus, juju bes. I guess you could say it either way,
right though, like.
Speaker 3: For juju really could, but there's like there's got to
be a correct way, and that's that's what I'm That's
what I'm digging at right now. And that's where like
I'm thinking about when it was being made. If like
I'm just thinking when they're sitting down to film the scene,
I guess they do tabor or whatever it was. I'm
curious if that actor like said said it one way
or the other and was like corrected, or if they're
just like, oh, let's just go with it, or like,
I don't know. That's such a small little detail, but
I'm so curious if it would came up at all
when they were making it wouldn't be.
Speaker 6: The first time like other other actors have had this happen.
There's kind of like a joke about it, where, oh,
here we go.
Speaker 1: Can you tell me if you can say here?
Speaker 2: American pronunciation though in the top right? So there bees? Okay,
now go to the Canadian.
Speaker 1: Bees ju Ju bees. That's just that I can't change it.
Where do you want me to change it?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: There, that's just so interesting, Yeah, we get it. I
don't know, Taylork. We're all all team jujub so it's
interesting and maybe we've all been wrong on.
Speaker 5: It's like the way an endgame when Tony and his
daughter get like a fruit pop and that's like a popsicle.
Speaker 1: I was, I was, my body couldn't move. I'm like,
what's a juju?
Speaker 3: Like in that moment you think back to Avatar, You're like, wait,
he ate his eyes for.
Speaker 1: The bedroom, going to eat yours like juju.
Speaker 5: Be's morgan watching end Game and he's just like your
because like a fruit popp or a snack pop and
it's a popsicle.
Speaker 1: But they and America call that.
Speaker 5: I was like, even as somebody that grew up in
America in the summers, never heard anyone call like.
Speaker 1: A snack popp or fruit pop. So yeah, there's just things.
Speaker 5: So I think he's saying it like for an American,
he's saying it right.
Speaker 3: According to Google, Yeah, that's.
Speaker 1: Do we need to be.
Speaker 2: Like it shows the mouth motion to.
Speaker 3: I mean all those lines we've mab up Pandora R.
Speaker 8: Like.
Speaker 3: I just love the way he says these words.
Speaker 7: I love.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, when Sigourney, I love when she's like, what
are you gonna shoot me? He's like if you like that,
and it's just it's like.
Speaker 1: That's what it's like.
Speaker 5: It's a super s they are talking about genociding these people,
and he's just like he's quipping like Tony Stark or
You're like I can do that if I like that,
And I'm like.
Speaker 1: No, like why is no one? Like yeah, like why
is yeah? Got something jujubes in the back like that.
Speaker 5: It's just like I think there's like a moment where
he can be that character, and I think there should
have been a ship, like at the end when he's
fighting jakeson like even then when he's saying the betrayalsal race,
probably Taylor's kind of ruined that for me. But even then,
I think what happens is with Stephen Lang. There's an
expression called playing for people on the back and it's
something you do in Broadway on a play when you're
very lad and very over the top because you want everyone,
even the back road, to hear you, right, And I
feel like he's doing that the whole movie, where I
felt like he should have brought it down, especially I
think once they kind of figured out okay, Jake is
not with us, it should have turned. But even the
end fight, like I like his demeanor, but even though
he's like yeah, but Treyo, he's like he's very very
action like b raate bad guy movie villain, which somebodle
like that they like it because he stands out, and
that's fair because maybe we just got a born villain.
But at the same time, I wish they'd just gotten
to reel back like a little bit, because I think
Stephen Lang like go watch him, like, don't brieve.
Speaker 1: He can do that.
Speaker 5: He's a very talented actor. I think Cameron was just like, Oh,
I fucking love what you're doing here, Like, keep keep
doing keep being the guy from Small Soldiers, you know,
keep doing that and.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that.
Speaker 5: So Taylor, what do you actually will get to?
Speaker 2: This is the guy?
Speaker 1: There's another movie that's just probably ripping off too.
Speaker 5: It's the same thing, right native people that they're like aliens.
Speaker 1: And stuff like that. One day we will for Avatar three.
Speaker 5: Uh, let's say that break and we'll find out what
Taylor thought about the colonels will be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back. I don't know if he's a colonel
whatever he.
Speaker 2: Is, he is a colonel.
Speaker 1: He's dead now. But what do you think with Stephen Lank?
Speaker 6: I thought he was great in this I I the Moon.
We get him and then he's doing his little like session,
Pep talk to the crew.
Speaker 2: I liked it and this movie too.
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's fucking Rep's just like now gravity will get soft,
you get soft, Pandora will shoot you out.
Speaker 1: This was after this movie.
Speaker 5: Everybody and their mother was fancasting him as Cable for
X Men, Like everybody, this is the.
Speaker 1: Guy, this is who's gonna be continue.
Speaker 2: I love Stephen in this movie. He is a good one.
Speaker 3: He's actually excited for him to come back.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he's playing a v now, so I.
Speaker 7: Know, but I hope he's the exactly thing exact.
Speaker 2: They will make it soft. He's just like lifting weights,
bitch President.
Speaker 5: If you see him, he's like playing like a jughead
at NAV because he's like has a gun and he's like,
I think he will be the same. It just does Nav.
It's just I don't know, it's gonna be fucking weird.
They got Sgourney. We were playing a fourteen year old
I don't know what.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because like I we talked about that
in like a newscast or something forgetting of you know,
what she had done and like what happens with her
characters and all that.
Speaker 6: But mm hmm, just with Stephen Lang's character. I think
from start to finish, he's just like, you make a
good point. He is definitely speaking like to the back audience.
He's just super rowdy and just over the top. But
I like this character a lot. I think he just
you have this iconic character in so many other films,
like notably Samuel Jackson and King Kong or like the
war's not over, like for him, he wants to, you know,
kill this kaiju and keep the keep the war going.
And that's that's the thing here with Ranger Rick. He's
here and he's he doesn't give a shit about the utantanium.
He doesn't give any of that. He's just the head
security officer, and he just he really wants to go
to war and kill these these navvy.
Speaker 4: But I think it's.
Speaker 6: Interesting too because you you made a good point here,
kirkln When you have all these soldiers that used to
fight for a country, fight for their families, their purpose,
all that stuff, but out here they're just hired guns
doing it for a paycheck, and it diminishes their compassion.
And particularly with Ranger Rick, he's so much more desensitized
to this kind of thing, and he's been here for
so long that he just he doesn't give a shit anymore.
He wants to just ouse them and kill them because
for whatever his true motives are, I don't know. It's
definitely not the overall like humanity. I think it's just
himself because he doesn't he's not very compassionate, even towards
like his soldiers specifically, definitely.
Speaker 2: Not them around he did.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there are other moments too where I feel like
some of them die and he just kicks them out
of the way.
Speaker 4: Stuff like that. I will say, like, I love I
love that scene.
Speaker 6: When I can't remember what he's I think he says
like clear, Yeah, I think he yells clear. When the
team's making their escape out of the hangarbay, he's like clear,
he fucking drop kicks this metal mask, that's what. Yeah, Yeah,
he drop kicks.
Speaker 2: That guy's got. I don't know how long this guy
can hold his breath.
Speaker 5: Boom boom boom, just fucking going to town after that.
Speaker 1: At one point too, the plane gets a rocket its
wing and it's spinning. He has to he's still holding
his breath.
Speaker 5: He has to get down that echo suit and he's
on fire and he's just like while holding his breath
and then he gets the thing.
Speaker 6: He's like, yeah, he's just a badass. Oh, I fucking
love it.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: At one moment duo when he when he kicks off
on the door shoots.
Speaker 7: Shoots around and like buddy Private Jones or something comes
up to him, He's like Colonel mask. He just I
don't know when I like caught this details, probably like
the second viewing, and for some reason, every time I
know it's happening, and it just it makes me chuckle.
He like looks at the guy and he like nods
like acceptance. He's like, oh, yeah, good job, like takes the.
Speaker 4: Mass and put it on. I don't know why.
Speaker 2: It's just that little detail of him like yeah, good
one and then he like puts it on. Fucking gets me.
Just those little moments with with Ranger Rick. Fuck, it's good.
Speaker 7: And I feel like if it wasn't Stephen Lang like
it would just be I don't know, forgettable type character.
Speaker 2: But he brought the meat and potatoes to this performance.
Speaker 5: Who do we want to talk about next year? What
do we want to talk about next year?
Speaker 3: Well, I'll quickly throw this out that I think one thing,
you know, ra Ranger Rick he's fun and all, but
I feel like there needed to be a couple other
pieces for that puzzle to make that that part of
storyline compelling for me, because he got like that main
scientist dude who's like playing Rubisi. There you go, Giovanni Rubcci. Apparently,
I thought very random. Note when he's talking, she's a
Sigourney Weaver's character, and he like he calls out I
think he's calling know Jake Sullen. He's like, well, at
least he's not a dental high genius. I was like,
there was what a strange like, what a strange profession
to call out as one that he just seems to
hate and thinks is weak or something like that. But
I don't know. I I that guy survives, right, so
he might be Uh, he might be coming back. I
don't know, but I don't know if I have. He's
kind of a strange addition. I don't feel like he
really gets a good moment or anything like that.
Speaker 5: I really don't like I'll lump him into a group
because I have the same thing to say about them
as I do him. I don't have much good things
to say about him. Uh, Jake's on again off again
friend that also becomes a navvy Michelle rock Reegez. But yeah,
with him with the main guy, Like, like I said, Givanni, I.
Speaker 1: I feel like there. I'm sure there was.
Speaker 5: It just feels like there's no script and he's They're
just like, hey, just say something kind of like this,
you know, like say something that like that and stuff
like that, and like, okay, I can do that because
he doesn't have that many lines, and I it's very
strange of okay, he doesn't want to kill these Navi,
but then he's kind of fine with it eventually. But
then after he kind of gives the go ahead to well,
we could kill him, he gives Jacob an hour, which
he definitely does not give him an.
Speaker 1: Hour unless that like navi's time is very.
Speaker 5: Like literally Jake's in his speech and then they're like
crashing down on the woods.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, what happened to the hour and stuff
like that, and just.
Speaker 7: Well, no, he didn't slow down the guns, right, didn't
He just send in Jake like he has an hour
to do with the body, and then they took him
out to do what just.
Speaker 1: Like why keep him an hour?
Speaker 7: Basically warn them to take the children out of the
tree because they're like basically banking on like his morals there, right,
But they give.
Speaker 5: Him an hour to talk, like it's gonna take a
lot to get these people out of here. So it
just feels weird to be like why put that time
and say I'll give you an hour and then twelve
minutes later.
Speaker 2: I'm not giving an hour killing those kids.
Speaker 5: And that's where this character like he's just there to
guide certain things based off the ship, Like he's in
a CGI room tons these people, well they're all in
fucking CGS room, But like it feels like a lot
in that ship, and probably some that ship might be practical,
but something about it just feels off everybody in there.
But he's fine again with this generic like you know
that the's golfing at the beginning, and it's just like, okay.
Speaker 1: What is he is he? Is he a complete piece
of shit? Or is he not?
Speaker 5: And they don't really you know, I kind of wish
the Nomy just killed all the people too. When they
send them back and he's with them, they should have
just kept them there and just killed them. Becau they're
just gonna come right back and bad things are gonna happen, so.
Speaker 1: But yeah, everybody else, Roriguez is there just to I
don't know, be a good guy soldier.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I hate, absolutely hate the friend character guy
because he just switches back and forth so much to
fucking hating Jake Sally to like want to be his breast,
and there's no story, there's no so just take that out.
Speaker 1: Just make them be friendly the whole movie, that's all.
I need a.
Speaker 7: Friendly story behind it though, because he well, yeah, they
try and explain how like this's coming around slowly, and
then like again, I feel like that is splicing a
bunch of like time skips. I don't think the time
skips are that long, but still like a couple of
weeks of Jake, just like working with Materiri.
Speaker 5: It's their God, you would have read the books, you
would have known everything about them, but he didn't. And
he walks away and it's just like this dude just
got here, Like this dude.
Speaker 2: The problem for us is that he feels like he
doesn't deserve it.
Speaker 5: I feel like, no, no, no, he doesn't act that way
at all. For the first act, He's completely nice to Jake.
Speaker 6: That's because there was no pre existing like reason to
be jealous. This guy just showed up and he got
into the program. He's like, yeah, you're just gonna be there.
I'm the one who gets to be out there experiencing Pandora.
You don't give a shit about it, that's fine, But
you know he was, but he was just there as
a gun like a soldier.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: So when this moment came in, when he immediately got
to be immersed with the people, was going through all
these crazy experiences, it was like the spotlight for the
whole science like division.
Speaker 4: That's when he got jealous.
Speaker 1: Like the reason they do that is because Jake Sully
like has tendencies of being a warrior.
Speaker 5: So no matter what I feel like this scientist guy,
if he's getting mad the former veteran for showing off
him being a warrior, Like, fuck this guy, like I
don't know the science, it's like that never was gonna
be you. Because that's why they adapt him into the culture.
It says he can be like the novey, So that
was never gonna be him. And there's just he's just
playing the character some Disney Channel bully of just like
you know, if you picked up a book and he
walks and then he's just good right away. In one
act he switches from being a complete asshole to his
best butt again and he tells him about it's awful writing.
Speaker 6: I mean that's like he I don't think he expects
to like get in there by being the soldier. I
think he just wanted to be in there period. And
that's like jealousy is a fickle thing and that works.
Speaker 1: What does it give us? What is it ever? What
is the resolution?
Speaker 5: If it was something like he was the run the
one that rats out Jake Solid to the army people,
They're like, okay, you paid that off.
Speaker 1: There is a reason.
Speaker 5: But they just make him go back and forth between
nice to pissed off the nice again.
Speaker 6: We get some little little drama intension in there just
to kind of keep there's no tension there.
Speaker 1: No one gives a ship about this guy. What's that
character's name.
Speaker 7: To whoa.
Speaker 10: Get revenue old and the cult, Yeah, to be jealous
and then the act dorm is gonna walk out be
like I heard you forgot my name? Yeah, Like and
again my only really like defense on Like the switching
is like there is some time there, like I was
mentioning the time skips it is a few weeks, but
I feel like I'm more on Travis's side of that,
where when I rewatched this, like that twist of him
being like, I'm not gonna say like I I would
understand that he's kind of frustrated that Jake is just
like like blowing this off as some ridiculous thing and
if this is norms like life's work, and he's just
kind of like seeing it stupid but like all the
spotlights on him. Yeah, I understand the jealousy there, but
just I think the switch that Travis mentioned where one
way and then flipped round.
Speaker 1: Other adults like what the fuck I'd be sacrificed.
Speaker 6: He's pretty nerdy, Yeah, he does have many social skills,
so like.
Speaker 1: Nerdy people could be nerdy this. He's acting like a
five year.
Speaker 4: Old kids another planet. There's no laws out here, it's different.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: And I will say though, when he's an avatar form
and he's wearing his hat, I feel like that is exactly,
like almost exactly what Taylor's avatar would probably look like,
and like the hat would be different, but it would
be like your hat that you that you always wear.
Speaker 4: It would be my little Englishman beret.
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly what I picture your your avatar looking like.
Speaker 3: So he was in Dodgeball. That's what I was the
whole time I was watching, like what have I seen
this guy in? But yeah, of course iconic performance in Dodgeball.
Speaker 1: I know him from that and The Haughty and the Naughty.
Speaker 5: It's a movie with Paris Hilton's one of the movie
that people say is one of the worst movies of
all time, and it is.
Speaker 4: It's pretty bad Christmas retro?
Speaker 1: Is it Christmas?
Speaker 4: I don't know, just throw it in there.
Speaker 1: I hope that's not good. Yeah, what do you guys?
You guys can talk about Genevanibci there.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, And I feel like I kind of forgot
about it because he's just kind of forgettable and like again,
like he just fits that like CEO types position where
he's more of the representing the shareholders. Like he drops
that line where it's like it's cool all these but
at the end of the day, like we need our
you know, our fiscal year or whatever to be like
in the green or whatever the terminology.
Speaker 2: Is that he used.
Speaker 7: So I get having a character like that, I just
I don't know, I feel like it could have been
dove deeper for sure, especially when I'm like sitting back
and analyzing it and not just being distracted by the
beautiful cinematics on screen. So it in like the fact
that they like dug a tiny little like Divot to
try and explain that he's got depth on like, oh no,
his morals are there, like he gives him an hour,
you know, and he's he's going through all this effort
of trying to evacuate them from Home Tree to get
to this, you know, their mineral unobtainium that they're trying
to get to. I think it makes sense to have
a character like that in this movie, but unfortunately, it
just it just falls short. And I, like I mentioned
like it's I kind of have a con with just
how easily the colonel just takes over. But like in
the moment, I'm not like, where the hell is this
guy because he's just so forgettable, Like he just he
just seems like so spineless and like just doesn't really
have it.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, people forget or people don't forget. That's the line.
Speaker 7: Uh So yeah, I think unfortunately, like I like that
actor at least I like that actor at least mostly
just from friends. I think he's just a funny reoccurring character.
But so yeah, it's cool to see him in there,
But it's not something that I'm highlighting from this movie
by any means. If anything, it's it's one of the
lower parts for sure.
Speaker 2: Fair enough.
Speaker 3: I have a question for Taylor Kirkland here, just not
like outside of plot and all that stuff, just like
Pandora lore or like the culture of the nausey and stuff.
I just want to hear, what is it that you
love about this world?
Speaker 7: I like their explanation how it's just like one living
organism sort of thing, and like how like the balance
of like the deity also just being like their earth essentially,
and like everything's just tied together. I think the play
too on like the Tree of Souls on how like
no one's really gone again. This is kind of getting
like if your own like spiritual religious beliefs or whatnot.
Like it's just an interesting idea of like I don't know,
just just the fact that like.
Speaker 2: People aren't ever really gone.
Speaker 7: And the explanation, especially when Nikiri is I think she's
explaining it to Jake Sully.
Speaker 2: I'm always gonna call him that now. I like that,
but like how.
Speaker 7: Everyone is kind of like borrowed energy and at the
end of the day, like like you're kind of required
to give it back, and that's just kind of a
nice explanation for your own life, like we're we're all
given this and then if this is.
Speaker 2: Like an interesting idea of just like giving.
Speaker 7: It back in the end of the day like a
good It's almost like explaining to a child like what
death is. And I think that execution was really was
handled really well. And also just like everything tying again,
like just it all being like one organism and Ni
Kiri like being so like heartbroken when she has to
like save Jake suley On like these wild dogs are
attacking him because it's just like this is sadness, Like
this shouldn't have happened. The reason why this happened is
because you this dream walker stumbled into the woods and
like completely like all of that stuff again, just like
these people being so attached to their their planet and
their world like I I I totally get sucked in
on all that stuff. So for me that that that's
really what it is. And I think, uh, again, all
the designs of like the creatures and stuff like that,
and like the tie that the the novey have like
their their braid and then you like attach it essentially
to your horse or your mount or whatnot, and like
you just become one where your thoughts are kind of
moving them. Like all of that stuff for me works
really really well.
Speaker 2: So that's uh, that's.
Speaker 1: It, Kirk Kirklin. Who's Zoe's on that plane?
Speaker 2: Nikiri?
Speaker 1: Who is it?
Speaker 2: Nikiri?
Speaker 5: It's the tear with the T T Yeah, back in
the Yeah, here's your car back Taylor. Yeah, for all
of five minutes.
Speaker 3: Okay, now you quizz me.
Speaker 2: I didn't say Nigary. There's no way that a gi.
Speaker 5: Okay, here, I'll walk it back. I didn't hear a T.
That's that was my thing. I was like, I didn't
hear it.
Speaker 2: I did not say a T.
Speaker 1: So that was we we play.
Speaker 3: Oh God, I'm gonna go with Wendy. She plays Wendy.
Speaker 5: Grace Augustine God. Okay, can you guys we're all Can.
Speaker 1: You guys give me Stephen Lang's full name, Colonel what.
Speaker 2: I have it in front of me so I'm not
gonna cheat cancer?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Like is like Richard, are we saying that's his first name? Richard?
Speaker 1: No, Rick. His first name is not Rick.
Speaker 6: That's a complete nickname. That's why I don't know his name,
because I've.
Speaker 5: Just it's funny, I asked us because Cameron.
Speaker 1: Was bitching about this. Today's like it doesn't matter. People
don't know the names of the character it's about. But
because that's.
Speaker 5: Always well, because that's always a joke on Avatar is
like no one remembers the character's name.
Speaker 3: That is true. I understand that. I understand that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, do you guys remember what Michelle is his name?
Because I don't think I've ever known her name.
Speaker 4: Truth, I just always know Sudria.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, that's just can go pretty Stephen, sorry, truly true,
Trudy check On.
Speaker 2: It's like a Mexican name.
Speaker 1: And then Stephen Lang is Miles quart Ridge.
Speaker 6: I didn't know his name was Miles, but the hells
like Miles All yeah.
Speaker 2: Miles, that sounds like, yeah, freak. Rick, I just took
that no.
Speaker 5: Zumer of world like this is a peace mission, right
of course, He's like.
Speaker 1: He's just so we're gonna say that. I'm like, oh, yes,
stay on the nobby, save them all right, save fashion.
Speaker 5: Mainly, I love like a prequel seed of them all meeting.
Speaker 1: For this, and he's just sulowly dropping handside.
Speaker 5: No matter what, he's gonna kill, like, no matter what happens, like, oh,
they agreed to move the land and they're gonna give
us all that.
Speaker 1: Well, we gotta make sure. No, man, they're gone, they're gone. No,
they're never gone.
Speaker 4: Just a response to Dult's earlier question.
Speaker 6: So for me, one of the reasons, like I love
just kind of the lore and the setup for Avatar
and just Pandora is uh, the the the tone and
the usage are just their their braid connecting to everything
in the world. I think that's just like a really good,
blatant kind of visualization for people just to kind of
see how grounding works and just connecting to the environment.
And I think that like if you if you look
into it, just walk around barefoot out here, like on
I'm kid, you not walk around barefoot like it does.
Speaker 4: Relaxation.
Speaker 6: Just walk it out and treat like tree walking, forest walking,
all that kind of stuff, like it has so many
like really nice health benefits. And I think that this
is just an aesthetic that they've pulled in and have
tried to just create that visualization so that people can
kind of reciprocate with that and kind of connect with it.
And that's one of the reasons, Like I really like
it because I love just planting my feet out on
the ground sometimes and it feels so good just to
relax and just feel it and just to kind of
like take in that energy just just being put out
from just this grass growing up towards the sun. It
just feels great. So just kind of have that portrayed
in this film where everything is alive and everything is
just such a beautiful environment, especially at the night time
settings when he's walked around with his torch and it's
just trying to see where he's going, and once like
Materia puts the torch out, just how the planet just
lie like livens up and he's touching things and it's
just the flo war is glowing where he steps.
Speaker 4: I just love that world. It's just so beautiful.
Speaker 6: So I think it's just like I already said, it's
just a great over exaggerate, emphasized visualization of our own planet.
Speaker 5: So I will say I love the everywhere they walk
and the light goes.
Speaker 1: I really like that effect.
Speaker 4: Some clean waters. I'd love to harvest that water.
Speaker 3: Have you heard the.
Speaker 4: Ship down?
Speaker 5: But now isn't there gonna be like a bunch of
dead nav in that water now polluting it.
Speaker 4: I'd be a little like salty too.
Speaker 3: Oh No, it's all about the cycle that was talking about.
They're bought there, what is it? And you know you're coming?
Speaker 5: No, I meant like the ones they all fucking blew
up in the middle, like that battle, like they didn't
get a nice peaceful giving their energy back.
Speaker 3: They like, Oh, but they'll deteriorate into the water and
their nutrients will create a new fish or something like that.
Speaker 4: That's how it works, like in our water. That's true.
Speaker 1: You see that fish. Yeah, we're too.
Speaker 7: Next, Just like I guess to highlight like I really
like just all of the moments that Jake Suley's like
doing his just lessons with Natiri and just yeah, like
learning about all the culture. I kind of mentioned that
on just showcasing like the lower side all of that attachment.
But again like him actually like becoming a warrior and
when Natiri actually like finds him worthy enough to like
go uh get his basically flying mount uh. Just it
was such a sweet sequence of Again, it's it's like
how to train your Dragon moment.
Speaker 2: That's essentially what it was. And I love that movie.
Speaker 7: And again, just like the floating aisles that they're going
uh whatever they call it, the floating hills.
Speaker 4: Of I would not want to climb that that ship, Like.
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm terrified. There's no way I'm doing that.
Speaker 7: But again, the way that it was showcasing the film,
I thought all that stuff was was really cool. And
even just when they're like going to the remote base
that that was a really cool sequence too. I just
think that type of land like it's so like fantasy esque,
and again I guess it is a sci fi movie,
but it just it seems really uh just really mystical.
And they explained it of like the gravity is kind
of what's causing it to do that, or like the
flux whatever whatever that means, and the gravitational flux that's
making the islands float or whatnot.
Speaker 2: So all that stuff was was really really cool.
Speaker 7: And again it's just like tying into the visuals, like
just how good this movie really looks.
Speaker 2: I think it like that's.
Speaker 7: Vast majority of this movie, and that's probably why I
love it so much, is because of just how good
it looks and the adventure that I go on, and
it's just so IMMERSI immerciful so to be following Jake
Suley along with that junior.
Speaker 2: I thought that was really cool. And I like their
little hammicks that they sleep in, like the leaves.
Speaker 7: And again terrifying. I'm not a good person for Pandora.
I don't come too soft, as the colonel would call me. Right, Yeah,
they'd ship me out for jujub.
Speaker 5: Yeah, night one, it's over for correct, never gonna get
to the mating.
Speaker 1: Tree or whatever.
Speaker 5: You know, Taylor, did you when you got the extended edition?
Did you just like fast forward that scene to see
the extended sex scene?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that actually there is clapping?
Speaker 5: No, the only thing they show is like they're like
little like connector things like really connect and then yeah,
the hair connects.
Speaker 4: There's no other like penetration.
Speaker 1: I love that. That's what they like. That's what.
Speaker 2: Those people that wanted to go to Pandora.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just love that. The like.
Speaker 5: The HbA like decided that they needed to cut the
things intertwined, like that's too it's too much, it's too.
Speaker 2: Risk, too much like penetration.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't show down screen so you gotta cut
that for theatrical and then like all right, we'll do that,
and then it got extended. But yeah, and that was
a b that's a strange, like like if you made
your for life. So I was always wondering of that,
like if they would all survive. But Jake Sully wasn't
with him, and she's still allowed to mate with someone else,
because that doesn't sound like it's the way they pitch it.
Speaker 1: I don't really.
Speaker 4: They might hang her if that happens, or hang him.
Speaker 2: Dead body like a pirate.
Speaker 1: That's your dead love, no more love for you.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: When they get together and they do the classic, she
finds out he was lying the whole time, and she
gets mad and.
Speaker 1: Great acting, but he is always all dead. I would imagine.
Speaker 5: I've seen the behind the scenes, so she's bringing it stuff.
But again, like I don't think anything. I kind of forgot.
I was kind of I kind of forgot that happened.
But the whole time I was hoping it didn't happen
because I just didn't want them to go down that
route because you just know they're gonna turn it around.
Speaker 1: Everything it's gonna be okay.
Speaker 5: And she forgets yeah, she forgets like the dad dies.
She sees him one more time, and then the next
time she sees him all for gone, Like.
Speaker 6: People forgive dang right, he's the fucking truth marked out.
You're gonna flying in on the big Uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all he did was getna fucking bird. Doesn't mean
he's not a death of.
Speaker 4: Your fall big Bird. Not just any kran the great Optricks.
Speaker 1: That's some like weird religious stuff where it's like, yeah,
we're just gonna hit.
Speaker 6: That's where they that's where they differentiate, right, because I mean,
like you said, they made for life. They don't worry
about divorces or anything like that. They're not gonna take
half of home tree or anything like that in the
divorce or something.
Speaker 1: So wait for him.
Speaker 7: And like, yeah, it just like that, like Travis was mentioned,
like like you kind of are anticipating like that twist happening,
because again, I've seen this move before and it's just
like her her decision to just like like again, like
I get why she's pissed off in that moment, and
I feel like I'm even more so on the side
of like I understand why she just like immediately goes
back to his side. Not just because of the bird,
but also because like they've actually connected so much to
this point, Like I feel like those feelings that he
has for the planet and even just like her people
and her like, I feel like she understands that that
is genuine. Obviously feels majorly betrayed, But there just wasn't
a lot of moments to even explain the full situation there,
So I don't know, Maybe it's just I'm looking at
it through through shiny lenses just because I like, like,
mostly it's always all I feel like she was the
est here just throughout this entire movie. Her performance was
so fantastic, and the character of the Tie was just
really interesting. I like when she's like hunting in the
beginning and her like tracking methods, all of that stuff
around that character is really really fascinating to me. So
I'm very obviously looking forward to how she's just used
in the next movie and if she's still kicking ass
or whatnot, because I really don't know too much about
like what the story is going into this, which which
is exciting, you know, going into as blind as possible,
But yeah, I don't know, Just I feel like I
would maybe defend her overall just decision to just maybe
flip flop, if if that's like a more negative way
of saying it, because it like it is pretty quick
when she just comes back around, but I don't know
it's entire straits at that moment. They just lost home trees,
she lost from her dad, just really wanted to just
die with a grudge or like you know this person
like Taylor mentioned coming down on the uh the great
tri Sarah toops thing greatly op trics. Yeah, endpoint, Okay,
let's tick her.
Speaker 1: I would presume our last ad break and then we'll
be right back.
Speaker 5: And we're back, so before we get int the phone,
thoughts anything to shut up randomly, character.
Speaker 1: Moments, scene anything like that.
Speaker 5: I like singournion here enough, but she's just belaying a
scientist and that's good. She kind of just disappears the
second half movie, which is fine because it's more about
Jake like going around learning his stuff. But it's just
I guess it's just weird. It's like because you have
sing Gorney weaver, it's like, oh, she's gonna mean this
quite a bit, and she's like in it quite a bit,
but just like around, like standing around like or her
navies there and stuff like that. So it's gonna see
good and glory, but I don't think she does anything.
So I love the cut when they like pull him
out after he doesn't give him an hour and they
just shames Cameron has to do this slow motion like
the music popping off its emotion, but like it's that
type of emotion.
Speaker 1: I hate where it's not.
Speaker 5: It's like, you know, they filmed it fast and they've
done it that way, and they just had this like
smash kind of you murder and it's just like it's
really beating you over the head with like, yes, I
understand what you're trying to portray here of what American
culture has done in the past, Like I understand, just
like oh, the kids and the guys you've an he's
looking at and it's just like I get it.
Speaker 1: I understand. We don't need five minutes emotion scene. But yeah,
so Gorney was she was fine.
Speaker 4: You got those vocals hitting high there too.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, sounds like the end of the Lord of
the Rangers.
Speaker 2: Just gonna say.
Speaker 9: I see them last Kingdom here we come.
Speaker 2: That's all I can hear now, And that's saying.
Speaker 1: Someone replacing Gorny we for ye, like yeah, and then
take the murder and put that in Mario, You're a murder.
Speaker 7: I had an interesting thought going into like while watch
this movie, knowing that Sigourney Weaver is in the next one,
knowing that Stephen like isn't the next one basically is
the same character, and I think Sigourney Weaver is their child,
right like and like again, as I'm watching the movie,
just getting immersed in the lords and and all this stuff,
just the connection of everyone, Like no one's really gone.
It's just these like soul thing, the soul things, the
Tree of Souls and how like if you attach your
your little cord to the tree, like you can actually
hear like the memories of the past or whatnot. And
like again you probably get a little little fancy religious
or whatnot here. It's just like if those souls were
technically like still in that earth, could that not mean
that like if they're reborn and like if the energy's
taken from it, then you could use that you use
that as an argument for why Sigourney Weaver is still
like Sigourney child. And then that's why Stephen Lang is
basically back because.
Speaker 4: He wouldn't give it to Stephen.
Speaker 6: He would have came from Earth and he would have
made the bodies there and then like air dropped in.
Speaker 4: I'm assuming and.
Speaker 1: I don't think they hooked him up to the tree
as he passed.
Speaker 2: Is that what's happening? Like these are Earth avatars that
they're bringing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like more of them?
Speaker 6: Yeah, because like from just what I've taken from like
promo pictures. Is that because when you think about Jake Suley,
he was the first marine type avatar, right, and there
weren't any others the rest of all scientists. So this
time when they're coming back, they've got like a whole
squadron's worth of avatars are marines.
Speaker 1: What are we gonna do when we see Stephen Lange's body.
Speaker 5: In avatar too? Like you are, we never gonna see
as human form. He's just gonna be the Navy guy
we'll probably never see.
Speaker 6: I don't think we'll ever see his his human form.
I think it will just see them as avatars.
Speaker 1: Miles at a twin brother twice as deadly twice.
Speaker 5: Like he's the guy that killed to me, like Jake
silly fucking around and I took it for the paper
as well as are you saying that he was he's
coming back as the same character.
Speaker 3: I thought you meant like he just has a role
in the new one.
Speaker 4: He has a role in the new one playing an
Avatar marine.
Speaker 3: But not but not related to Ranger Rick, not that
we know of.
Speaker 1: He's not playing Miles the character.
Speaker 5: But he is playing the archetype. He's playing the archetype
Miles Forage whatever. He's playing the like I swear the
Nobby pictures of you.
Speaker 1: He has like the same haircut as like.
Speaker 5: He's playing like the really scar other side the other side.
So but no, he's playing the same, like over the
top type of character.
Speaker 1: I think that's what's been shown.
Speaker 7: And see, I didn't even know that there was like
honestly human type stuff in this movie from the promo
that I saw at least, like I guess spoiler he's
got guns at five, it pays off, Yeah, once we
get there after six, Yeah, James Cameron, I got plans
for six.
Speaker 2: And Miles was alive the whole time he was living
in World Tree or what.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought was gonna happen. When Herd was
coming back.
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, I guess I can get on board
that this motherfucker somehow survived and he's gonna come.
Speaker 4: No way, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Come on, science fiction movie, you can do anything you want.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess, but like no, first of all, no
one's gonna put.
Speaker 1: This is a movie I would.
Speaker 5: They created, They created aliens of the same body, and
they can magically transport you. And then what can happen, Taylor,
is if you want to stay as an ave, you
go to a magic tree and you just do save
file ads and transport that into the body.
Speaker 1: And you're telling me that you couldn't survive.
Speaker 6: You think Miles has that kind of knowledge that No,
he's with no mask.
Speaker 5: Like I said, he survived, I didn't say he became
a noviould.
Speaker 4: He survived his wounds though. You got the three arrows
and they're dipped in a neurotalks and can't forget that.
That's the that's the kicker.
Speaker 1: He's a tough motherfucker. Look at him doing those like sit.
Speaker 3: Up the neurotalks and just like puts you to sleep,
and it doesn't the whole time.
Speaker 2: And he had his mouth closed, so he was holding
on his.
Speaker 1: He held his breath for days.
Speaker 6: You know, what if if someone if if he proves
to be the same character and comes back replaying Miles,
that I will.
Speaker 4: I will bench press the same amount that he does and.
Speaker 5: That scene your triceps.
Speaker 7: In the second, I will do it at the screen.
I'm bringing jujubs too for this movie. I'm getting right out.
I don't care if I have to sneak them in Landmark.
Try and stop me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're called juju bees. By the way, what the fuck?
Speaker 6: Okay, when you're freaking out the audio bes again?
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't care. He's listening the same character. He's
built his mouth cornage.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna lift those fucking weights sometimes.
Speaker 1: Wow from the building.
Speaker 5: Because here's the difference. Singourney Weaver is listed as a
different character curious to the daughter. He is listed as
the same character, suck it, Taylor Field, suck it.
Speaker 3: But if another guy also.
Speaker 5: His son, and he's like just a few years younger,
but he still looks the exact same.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, no, weird man.
Speaker 3: I'm excited because he's gonna have maybe some more good lines.
Speaker 5: Because what I think is gonna happen, because I don't
they were doing a predictions episode is he did survive Taylor.
They found him, they brought him back to Earth, and
that's why he can be sent in because I know
the land like no one else. I've been to hell
him back, like he's literally what he can be Jake Sully,
but he's not gonna fucking navvy and like turn a
blind eye, which would be great if that happens in
this movie. Like the whole movie is like a remake
of Avatar one, but Miles.
Speaker 2: After those arrows, he just isn't a wheelchair out.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, he's actually legs work, but it's upper
region doesn't.
Speaker 6: But yeah, so I would be wild to bring him
back like that in that sense, I could see maybe
like hey, we got like your blood, your DNA, We're
gonna reborn you as a just a pandoran.
Speaker 5: So this movie they just have thousands of Miles e
is like cloned ready to go and actually like all
the chattery here over the columns just like his. But no,
I'm see, I'm more fine. I'm fine with him actually
being the same character. Then oh he's playing a new
character that's just acts the exact same I'd rather than do.
Speaker 1: Some whatever, and that's like me what do you mean?
Speaker 5: How can they bring him back his fucking science fiction
you can do anything you want to be interesting?
Speaker 6: How they explain that, because they really emphasized like his
death scene too, so just to kind of like bring
him back as the villain, Like it's it's peculiar to
me bos to.
Speaker 5: Turn into a fucking like skeleton on screen and die
and the next movie is like to me, now, where's
my ship?
Speaker 1: Like and that's magic?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 5: This is just as what's what Jane Foster says or
floor what you call magic, I call science, And that
they're gonna.
Speaker 6: I believe the Barbosa Revival more than I do this
one bullet and then voodoo witchcraft believe it.
Speaker 1: And on the review quote, Tait's gonna be I love
how they did it. Ten out of ten.
Speaker 4: I'll be lifting those ways.
Speaker 3: Tune in live to that range of Rick is gonna
be eligible for Golden Geeks is kind of a wild thought.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: The differences though with the first Mos listed his colonel,
he's not listed as kernel.
Speaker 4: Here demoted promoted probably.
Speaker 2: He's just Miles demoted President of Earth.
Speaker 4: That's what he is now.
Speaker 1: With you anything else, I don't think so.
Speaker 7: I like the opening when he's like waking up from cryal,
that's cool, sharing a bunk with his bunk made or whatnot.
Speaker 2: Hopefully he's not ripping farts whole time.
Speaker 4: Do you remember how many years it takes to get
to Pandora from Earth?
Speaker 2: It's six.
Speaker 4: I don't remember, so I'm generally as.
Speaker 2: Success, right, Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's about that.
Speaker 4: Memberships for all you guys.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm getting it more than you two.
Speaker 4: You're in, you're in.
Speaker 1: I don't want I'll sell it. Steem like what you're doing,
selling that past.
Speaker 2: You want to go to, want to go there?
Speaker 1: He walks me in this room that's just like fake trees. Okay,
you put this boo makeup.
Speaker 2: And what does the same job as too?
Speaker 7: He's like, my job is to make you make sure.
Speaker 2: You don't die.
Speaker 7: Basically like I will not succeed with all of you,
not with all.
Speaker 5: Of you, especially that guy.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see this movie alone.
Speaker 5: I'm you're just be cackling and all this ship You'll
be getting weird looks.
Speaker 2: Probably the guy alone.
Speaker 1: It's like that smiles. I told Taylor Bea.
Speaker 2: You're talking to everyone about around you hour and halpened
I got fired up on his OA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe make some Avatar themes. They make some great ones,
you know.
Speaker 3: The Way of the Water, the Rock.
Speaker 2: You should be cast in one of these movies.
Speaker 1: You should be seeing the Sun. Yeah, I brought my son.
Speaker 3: There'd be something weird about you the Rock being in
the body of a Novvey just being I.
Speaker 2: Think it would just be the Rocky. He's like the one.
Speaker 5: The first that like, oh, we couldn't make one of
your size, and he's like this crawny, super skinny dude
and he's like in the Rocks body but like, yeah, yeah,
because you'll never see Black Adam.
Speaker 1: There's a moment. Remember what they did to Chris Evans
and Captain America.
Speaker 3: Be more specific because there's.
Speaker 5: Form when then they come before the surgery. Yeah, they
do that to the Rock and Black Adam.
Speaker 4: And it looks hilarious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like a skinny guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like actually, yeah, he's looking for John in the bathroom.
Speaker 1: But dyl Mu's final thoughts on Avatar.
Speaker 3: I don't have any for you, Travis.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I'm said everything I need to, Like
I said, I will not seek this to watch again.
Speaker 1: I'm sure, I will watch.
Speaker 5: It again when my kids are interested enough, but uh yeah,
I'd more interested in the future of the franchise on
how it does financial wise. And then they got me
for this one. But after that we'll see if this
if the second one is very similar to the first one.
Uh of course, we're doing the podcast at his job,
so maybe we'll be there. But it's one of maybe,
go oh, you know, I don't need to be it's
it's these run times at three twelve one. But for
this movie, even the runtime of two forty two not
I'm a big fan of that, So I'll give it
a six out of ten. I think it's still like
a average fine adventure.
Speaker 1: The spectacle is the visuals.
Speaker 5: And again I feel like when you're at home that
doesn't always hold up, and that's where it comes down.
Speaker 1: You need great characters and story and writing.
Speaker 5: That's where it's like, Okay, yeah, sure, when I watch
something like The Dark Knight, it's not the way it
was when I wasn't the theaters, but everything else holds up.
Speaker 1: When I watch Star Wars, you know, the.
Speaker 5: Class of those things hold up with this that once
that's those things aren't there. It's just the visuals. Uh,
there's you know, much rather visuals I would rather be
seeing that are even a little bit better. There's video
games would rather be playing there more visually stunning. So yeah,
six out of ten, I'll pass it. But yeah, those
are my thoughts. Kirkhambats are Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I I feel like I've said basically most of the
everything I wanted to. I really love this movie. I
really do. It's it's always a fun one for me
to rewatch. I I feel like it's something from my childhood.
I just love action adventure movies, like it's totally my
type of genre. And that's something that really hasn't like
disappeared as I've aged. I've definitely seen movies in a
different lens, but I still just have such a sweet
spot for these action adventures, and I feel like this
is this is definitely if you're seeking out, you know,
a nice long action adventure movie, this is exactly one
that I would recommend. And it's funny enough, Shaye really
doesn't like action adventures, so I never get to watch
like Mission Impossibles Born those types of movies. Like, like,
I again, that's totally my jam. That's what I kind
of grew up watching and she hates it, so I'll
use watch it on my own. I threw this one
on though, and she like every time we watch Avatar,
like she's she's engaged. She she she really likes the
navy and all that stuff. So fortunately her and like
she's working of course Opening Night for the Way of Water.
But we're gonna go watch it again probably two days later,
which hopefully I love it because I'll be watching it twice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, seven hours of content right there. Hopefully I love it.
Speaker 7: I'll be big jumble pack of jujub's for the double feature.
Speaker 8: Man, if you just like it, and you know, you
know you got another three and she's all excited to go,
and I'm just like, yeah, I know, So I think
I'm gonna rate this one in nine point five out
a ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, very very high.
Speaker 7: Again, like all of like the negatives that I was
like bringing up, I feel like it barely kind of
crossed my mind while I'm watching it because I'm just
I'm just totally eating it up for the visuals and
the actions really really awesome. But you know, we we
we definitely brought up some good nitpick moments that I
think are completely valid, especially like you know, the writing
and its just some characters motivations.
Speaker 2: I feel like even there's certain moments.
Speaker 7: Where like j Souly, like he it feels like he
has motivation for something and it's just kind of like
thrown out the window because they're just trying to get
to like a certain result, and like it like crosses
my mind slightly in the moment, but.
Speaker 2: Then it's just like, oh, yeah, let's go. Let's fucking go.
Speaker 7: Like the scene that was mentioned when he's when he's
bringing all the clients together, like I'm totally with him.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm fucking fired up and ready to go. So yeah,
there you go, andand point.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Pandora, I'm always gonna go back here for some
R and R. It's just a fucking great time.
Speaker 1: There's no way we don't know what the score is.
There's like.
Speaker 4: This is an easily ten out of ten.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, it's it's just a it's an incredible movie.
It's incredible cgi and it's it's one of the few
movies that I thoroughly really do enjoy having seen in
three D, just for what they were able to kind
of like showcase. I feel like they actually put that
technology out there by kids.
Speaker 2: Three D up there too, corporated.
Speaker 6: I'd like three D like I don't mind it, but
like as far as movies that go ahead and actually
really make use of that three D, that's where I
think Avatar really excels because other movies, like, they do
the three D, but you don't get those scenes and
sequences that were really tailored for that kind of technology,
Whereas with Avatar, they really wanted to execute these scenes
and really deliver on certain sequences with that three D component.
So I plowed them for that, and that's why it's
always gonna be like one of my top three films.
But yeah, I just think the character is the story, everything,
It's just all around a fucking fantastic time.
Speaker 4: I know, I saw watch Brutal, gonna.
Speaker 5: Second watch Avatar shak like.
Speaker 4: On that note, I'm with you.
Speaker 6: I've got I'm miss seeing Avatar again on the Sunday.
Speaker 4: I believe it is the Nikey.
Speaker 2: So we will dressed up like Ranger Rick.
Speaker 4: We will. Yeah, Madison's dad got tickets and so I'm
invited to go with him.
Speaker 1: So you're blaking's gonna bean some fucking fart theater.
Speaker 4: So no, not that it's a private showing, so I
won't be there.
Speaker 1: So a private showing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, for for for his work or whatever.
Speaker 6: This company they usually do private showing its usually when
Star Wars movies come to come out, and so then
for Avatar now too, So it's gonna be pretty nice.
Speaker 1: Give it. Wait a second, is there people from his
work there?
Speaker 4: Just his work? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay, how many people? Is that.
Speaker 5: Be?
Speaker 4: Like twenty people?
Speaker 6: When you go to a full house Lego movie too,
you get the farts?
Speaker 5: What was the other one Black Times this year where
people are just farting, You're gonna.
Speaker 7: Get like, that's opening relation in this theater that you're
going to Like, what is the extreme?
Speaker 4: I'm going to extreme for this, So thank I never
get I never get.
Speaker 6: Wafts watch the Extreme Good Vents at the Good Vents.
Speaker 5: All these gentlemen tuning into the after our Way of
the Water to final people bomb Taylor's theater with gas.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, there will be there will be a
review for that. We're gonna I think we're doing that
the night of uh, because I'm seeing at three pm
in the afternoons, we better be.
Speaker 5: Fucking doing it the night of uh but yeah, we'll
be there talking way of the war. Thank you very
much for tuning into this retrospective, promising here, from this
next I'll not be boring.
Speaker 4: Bye.