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your support. So North Carolina is now one step closer

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to constitutional carry Did you hear this permitless carry legislation?

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Speaker 2: This is for firearms.

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Speaker 1: It passed the state Senate yesterday and that was the

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obstacle last time they tried to get this passed in

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the state Senate, Bill fifty, called the Freedom to Carry

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and See Bill. It passed in a party line vote

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twenty six to eighteen. The bill all the Republicans, by

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the way, all Republicans voted for it, all Democrats voted against. Obviously,

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the bill would allow individuals to carry a concealed handgun

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without a permit in North Carolina. The state will still

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allow North Carolinians to obtain a concealed carry permit for

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the purpose of reciprocity agreements with other states. And that's

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important here because if you've got constitutional carry in North Carolina,

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and so you go out and you buy a firearm,

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right you go through and contrary to what apparently most

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of the North Carolina North Carolina political media believe, you

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do actually have to pass the federal knicks check, the

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background check. You got to be cleared through the federal system,

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but you would no longer need to get the concealed

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carry permit that in places like here Mecklenburg County, our

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sheriff Gary not my fault. McFadden has been slow walking

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people's renewals for their concealed carry permits, although he claims

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this may shock you, that that's not his fault. So

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it would eliminate the sheriff from this equation. And by

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the way, the reason why sheriffs sort of hold the

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keys to the kingdom on gun ownership in this state

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is because when Democrats ran the state, they didn't want

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black people legally obtaining firearms.

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Speaker 2: That was why.

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Speaker 1: Because when you read the statutes like the like why

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the sheriffs were required to screen applicants and determine whether

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you were of good moral standing in the community, which

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is so broad right that any sheriff could then use

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their discretion to deny you a pistol purchase permit. And

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that's just for the that's for the pistol purchases. If

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you want to go buy a hunting rifle or something,

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you did not need the obviously the concealed carry because

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you can't really conceal, you know, a long gun. I

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mean people do, yes, you could, but generally speaking, the

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concealed carry permits, which is a it was sort of

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a higher bar to clear than just the pistol purchase permit.

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Those things were I think they were like five bucks,

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and you had to pay for a specific permit. For

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every single handgun that you ever wanted to buy, you'd

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have to get a separate permit and then turn it

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in when you made the purchase. And then if you

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wanted to buy another gun, you would have to go

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get another pistol purchase permit and the sheriff would have

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to approve that, which is why the advice was always,

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you know, get five. I think you could get five

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at a time, So get five all at once, pay

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twenty five bucks, get five purchase permits at the same time.

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This way, you know, you use one to make the

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purchase that you're intending to make, and then you've got

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four others in case, you know, somebody comes along with

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a really good deal. You're at a gun shop or something,

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You're like, hey, I want to buy, you know, another firearm,

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and so I'm going to use this permit now I

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don't have to wait and go through the laborious process again. Also,

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I'm not sure if our North Carolina political press corps

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that is covering this story, I'm not sure if they

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understand this or not. Maybe they're unaware. So I'm just,

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you know, trying to help you out because I'm a giver.

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Criminals don't get the permits. They don't get the concealed

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carry permits, they don't get the pistol purchase permits. And

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not only do they buy the guns illegally, but they

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also conceal them and carry them illegally too.

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Speaker 2: They're criminals.

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Speaker 1: It's it's like right there in their job description, right,

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So they don't follow the law. The people who do

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follow the law, the law abiding people, they will go

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through these hoops like I did. I've been through the hoops.

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I've been through the hoops in Mecklenburg. I've been through

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the hoops up in Bunkhom County. Bunkcom County was actually

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pretty easy, I will say they were, and the and

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the office staff was very helpful up there. They were

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super helpful and they did not have a lot of

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nice things to say about the Mecklenburg County operations.

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Speaker 2: I'll just say because when you.

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Speaker 1: Move up to Bunkhom County for Mecklenburg and they have

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to try to work with you to get your you know,

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your license changed over or your your permit address changed

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over and get you with your new permit up there,

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and like they were very helpful. I've not heard such

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great things about Mecklemburg. And it starts at the top

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with our sheriff, not my fault, McFadden. So you would

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not need to have the conceal carey permit, unless, of course,

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you want to go to another state and you want

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to be armed while you're traveling in that state and

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that state has conceal carey permit laws and you want

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your North Carolina permit to apply in that state. And

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states enter into these agreements called the reciprocity agreements, where

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it's like reciprocal will honor your conceal carry permit in

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our state and vice versa, So it allows for you know,

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people to not have to it, because it's absurd if

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you are like when I go up to New York,

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I can't bring my firearm up to New York.

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Speaker 2: I can't conceal carry up there.

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Speaker 1: There's no reciprocity, and you have to check every single

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state that you drive through to make sure you know

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what the laws are in that individual state. Is the

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firearms Is it allowed to be in the glove box?

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Is it allowed it doesn't have to be in the trunk?

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Does it have to have a you know, does it

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have to be dismantled and the bullets hidden under every

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single floor mat in the vehicle? Like all of these

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different laws that they come up with in order to

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try to limit people's ability to defend themselves law abiding people,

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because again, the law abiding people are the only ones

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that are going to follow those laws. Again right there

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in the job description, criminals don't care. They're gonna they're

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gonna drive through whatever state they want to. They're going

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to conceal that gun wherever they want to, and they

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don't care. So the idea behind the constitutional carry is

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that you no longer need to have the concealed carry

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permit that one you go through and you buy the gun,

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and you get it legally, you go through the federal

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knicks check and now you have your your handgun. Now

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you are allowed to, you know, put it on your

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waistband and put your coat on over the gun and

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so it's concealed. Otherwise, if you right now, if you

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don't have a concealed carry permit, but you do own

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legally a side arm, you have to open carry. And

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so would you prefer people be open carrying or concealed carring?

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And for some people they get no unintended here. They

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get triggered if they see somebody open carrying. I don't

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care if I see somebody with the firearm on their

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belt buckle or their belt and they're open carrying, don't.

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I don't have any problem with that. They're going to

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be targeted first, right, Like that's the if anything happened,

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And if some bad actor attacks the venue that I

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am at, and that bad actor sees the one with

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the open carry, they're the one that's going to draw

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the first round of fire, not me. So like that's fine.

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You want to open carry, you go right ahead. Now,

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if you're open carrying in a place that does not

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allow firearms, okay, now you're an idiot, okay, because you

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shouldn't be open carrying on the property that says you

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can't be open carrying, you can't have a firearm. Also,

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I disagree with people who open carry the AR fifteen's

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and such, the long guns. I understand you're allowed to

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do it. I just don't think it's winning any hearts

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and minds. I don't think I think it's antagonistic towards people.

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I think that's I think that's why folks do it.

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And I'm not saying it's like, oh, the kid with

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the gun in the rack and the truck, you know

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that just came back from hunting.

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Speaker 2: That's not the scenario.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about people who you know, purposefully transgress in

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order to you know, force the issue into people's face.

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I just don't think it's an effective way to persuade people. Now,

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But that's the long gun.

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Speaker 3: This is for.

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Speaker 1: Pistols, for handguns, the concealed carries for handguns, and so

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this constitutional carry bill would allow everybody who gets the

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you know, gets the ability to carry the handgun. Legally,

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they would allow to They would be allowed to conceal

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it on their person as they go about their lives. Now,

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Speaker 2: Let me get to it.

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Speaker 1: Got a message here from yeah from Twitter as a

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concealed Carrie permit holder. I am all for the constitutional Carrie. However,

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I think the legal penalties for negligent discharge use in

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a crime, et cetera should be so that people will

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seek out training and practice regularly on their own. I mean,

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I'm not opposed to like that kind of idea, but

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you know, the Second Amendment absolutists will disagree with that.

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They will say, the only requirement is in the Constitution,

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and I'm allowed to own the gun. I don't need

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to do any training, I don't need to do anything right.

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you know, increased penalties for negligence, That's one of the

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things that drives me nuts is you know, people who

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have the firearms and then somebody in the house, a

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kid picks up the gun and you know, harms somebody

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or themselves and.

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Speaker 2: Like that.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a terrible gun owner. Why would you leave

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your gun around around the house? Like that, you got kids.

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Those things need to be secured, they need to be

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away from where the kids will get them. And that's

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a lot of responsibility that. Yes, it means you got

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to keep up with the gun at all times. It's

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a firearm.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: You have to respect the firearm. So during a press conference, sorry, yeah,

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this is up in Raleigh, Democrats said that their caucus

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is going to be united to stop the legislation from

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going forward. They said permitless carry is a threat to

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public safety and will risk lives. So unless, like unless

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you're talking about the increase in gun deaths that may occur,

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which nobody has cited to me any statistics, nor have

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I seen any that indicate a constitutional carry state has

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higher rates of sort of innocent victims of gun violence

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or you know, like these types of in the home

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discharges and stuff. How how does it how does it

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increase the threat to public safety? And here's something else too, Guys,

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as the rulers of the blue dots, the cities, you know,

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these urban areas are under your control, and maybe if

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you don't want everybody walking around feeling like they have

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to protect themselves with firearms, maybe you should make these

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places safer, right, because that's what would do it. People

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walk around with concealed weapons because they are afraid that

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they are going to be victimized. And the way you

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reduce that fear is by making the community safer. And you,

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guys running these urban areas like Charlotte, you have not

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done so, by the way. This is a bit of

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an aside, but I thought of this earlier today, and

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I mentioned the story yesterday where the Mecklenburg County Parks

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and Recreation they're going to be hiring armed private security,

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not cops, but armed private security for romaor beard in Park,

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target range.

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Speaker 2: And the greenways.

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Speaker 1: Right, So some of their parks that are seeing the

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increased violence, they're going to be hiring armed private security.

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Why wouldn't they ask the Mecklinburg County sheriff to station deputies.

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the Mecklinburg County Parks and w reck Why wouldn't they

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ask and budget instead of giving it to a private contractor,

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which I thought Democrats were opposed to, by the way, right,

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But why wouldn't they Why wouldn't they ask the sheriff

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to take lead on that to have deputies acting as

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patrol officers or security at the parks. It's their property,

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it's their control. Do they not trust the sheriff? Do

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they not trust his agency? Would he charge them too

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much money? Do they not think he could do a

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good job?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: These are questions I think probably somebody should ask the

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county commissioners if they're going to be staffing up armed security,

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private security. But again, same thing, like are you allowed

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to conceal carry on the greenways?

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Speaker 2: I don't even know.

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Speaker 1: I haven't walked on a greenway since I lived near

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one and got burglarized from it, so I'm not sure.

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I'm not sure what the rule is on that. But

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you know, maybe if criminals that are stalking prey out

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on the greenways, like maybe if they thought that everybody

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jogging by was strapped, they may not jump out and

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detac joggers. Right, And here's the thing, they don't have

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to think everybody is strapped. They just have to know

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that a certain percentage are. That's the deterrent effect. Much

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like a couple cops on the greenway, one or two

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security guards on the greenway act as a deturrent because

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you don't know where they might be, and you might

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end up in an interaction altercation with them that acts

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the phones and we'll talk to Steve. Hello, Steve, Welcome

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to the program.

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Speaker 3: Heaynon, are you talking about having armed guards on greenways

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and parks and things like that? Yeah, now, the same thing.

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I think there was anything in school too. It's like

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there's a time where you can't to worry about any

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of that stuff. But it seems over the past several

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decades the violent criminals have more have rights or something

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that's about to walk around. But if you ask me, honestly,

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violent criminals, if they found to be guilty of a

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crime they committed, they should actually be euthanized that very

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day that they're sound guilty, because there's no reason for

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them to have second chances or really comfort in prisons.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, youthanize people.

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Speaker 1: So what about the people who are innocent that get

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wrongfully convicted.

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Speaker 3: Well, I have to say with DNA, now, most violent

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criminals are pretty much it's gotta be incontroversible ruling. It's

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got Yeah, this is DNA, you did this. Here you go.

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Speaker 1: So you're talking about well, but a lot of a

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lot of cases don't have DNA.

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Speaker 3: Well maybe so, but I bet you if you took

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volent criminals up the streets forever, the trou drop.

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Speaker 2: Not well quickly, No, not necessarily.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not one who says we shouldn't incarcerate, but

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like this.

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Speaker 3: Goes, incarceration is not good enough.

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Speaker 2: No, I understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 1: What I'm saying, though, is that I don't trust the government,

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and I don't That means when the government wrongfully convicts somebody,

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they get it wrong. When you take that person's life,

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they're there's no remedial course for that person. They can't

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get out of jail at any point in the future.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So, And if you want to expand when you're saying

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just violent crime, I don't know what types of crimes

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you're talking about. Would that be like a manslaughter.

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Speaker 4: Crime, like somebody's driving murders.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, that's what I'm asking specifically about, like the

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kinds of crimes that result in a death people get

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charged with, say a manslaughter charge or something, or negligent

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homicide something like that. Is that a death penalty offense

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to no appeals of course. Okay, So if you're driving

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down so you're driving down the road and you end

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up killing somebody in a car accident, and now you're

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going to get put to death. Yeah, no, no, negligent

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no no, no, I said negligent homicide.

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Speaker 4: So negligence, Well, it has to be a person that

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and his goal is to kill or to hurt somebody

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so badly that you know, like to ride the molestation

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or if you kill somebody and that's your goal, to

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kill them, not that I'm going to.

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Speaker 3: Drop my right.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So right, So North Carolina technically still does have

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the death penalty. It hasn't been carried out in what

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thirty years or something, and that's for the first degree murder.

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So there is a category of crime that is still

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that that does still apply to.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't it doesn't work, right, but.

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Speaker 2: Not second but not second degree murder? Not right?

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Speaker 1: So the lower the lower charges. They those are not

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capital offenses.

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Speaker 3: Look man volent trimes to get into the roof. You

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get guns and schools to protect kids. That's insane. Now

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you want to protect parts. There's a problem.

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Speaker 1: Wait, so your idea in order to protect kids in

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schools is not to allow teachers to conceal carry, but

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it is to kill more people that get charged.

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Speaker 3: You miss them a point. Why are there people? Why

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do need guns in schools?

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Speaker 2: Now? Years ago?

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Speaker 3: What happened?

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Speaker 1: Oh, well, that's a that's a cultural thing. Our society

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puts a very low value on life. We we it

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is a corrosion of our cultural No, it's it's there's been.

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Speaker 3: The right to decide how you can put to death

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to be get the best benefit. It's got to be

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it's got to be humane, right, Because I didn't get

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my victims there, their their choice how they want to right.

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Speaker 2: So you're a hang on. So now you're hang on.

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Speaker 1: See if you're you're now you're now bringing up a

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different point of discussion. If you're you're want you your

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initial comments, we're talking about guns in schools and then

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getting criminals off the streets. So I'm trying to figure

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out what the right. I'm trying to figure out what

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it is that what the premise is, because I feel

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like there are some things that aren't Like these ideas

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that you've got are not completely they're not they're not

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fully formed. Okay, I understand like you want to see

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a reduction in violent crime, right, you want to see

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a reduction in violent crime. And if you're asking as

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to why the society has the violent crime now, I

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can bring up crime violent crime data, and the violent crime,

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this may surprise you, is actually lower now than it

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was in the nineties. It's lower now than it was

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in the eighties and the seventies. So violent crime has

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actually declined in America.

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Speaker 3: So while we have your guns on greenways in the

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school fund, because that would be indicated, it's.

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Speaker 2: Increasingly not necessarily, not necessarily.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you have a crime that gets more attention,

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gets more news coverage, and more people know about it

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now than say one hundred years ago, because the media

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didn't exist as it does now. We know way more

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about every single criminal activity because of media, because the

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information is now more available. But a comparison of the

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crime data shows that long term, the violent crime is

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dropping now when it comes to the targets of schools,

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particularly as you're saying, right, the targeting of the schools,

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that requires I would submit a different kind of approach

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because you're talking about a very very tiny fraction of

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all violent crime that occurs in a school like that

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versus the majority of gun deaths, like the majority of

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gun deaths are suicides. And then the next grouping is

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street crime and domestic violence, like those are your top three,

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So those all require different approaches. The school crime, violent crime,

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school shootings that's very very low, mass shootings very very low,

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is as part of the overall data set. And so

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one of the ways that I would submit you go

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about preventing the school shootings is you harden the target,

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You allow more people who wish to voluntarily conceal carry

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you allow them to do so. And you have the

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police officers in this schools, and there are things that

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you can do specifically to protect those schools. But if

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you're asking why, but if you're asking why people right,

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but if you're asking why people are now targeting those schools,

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that gets to a that gets to a cultural thing

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in our society at present that did not exist before.

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And I would submit. At the root of it is

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the degradation of the value of life is that we

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don't we don't. We're not raising people to understand the

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value of life. We're not raising people to understand that

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their life has meaning and purpose, and we are just

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bombarding them with negative messaging about all sorts of things,

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but also mainly about I think there their place in

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the society and the meaning of their life. And so

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when you don't feel like there's any meaning to any life,

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it becomes much easier to throw your own away and

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to take others.

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Speaker 3: I find it unusual that a lot of the school

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shooters aren't known to exist by cops. Yeah before they

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do it. Yeah, no, it's yeah, that's an issue, there's

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but still there's so many volunt criminals that are released

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from prisons, yes, and commit volent criminals again, Yes, that's right.

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Did you say that there's less voluntrons in the work

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in the nineties and what are you talking? Metaphor?

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Speaker 1: Then, because we're allowed because the premise of the topic

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was based off of the Senate Bill fifty, the Freedom

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to Carry North Carolina Bill, the Constitutional carry to allow

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people UH to not have to go through the UH

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concealed carry permit process in order to conceal carry their firearms.

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Speaker 4: Well, so do you agree with that bill? Right?

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Speaker 2: Do you agree?

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Speaker 1: But do you agree with the do you agree with

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the bill? Do you think that's a good idea.

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Speaker 3: That can seal the weapons people should be able to

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character still weapon?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if you, if you, if you pass your background

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check when you buy your your your pistol, then you

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are allowed to carry it. And it doesn't have to

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be open. It can be under a jacket or you know,

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in your waistband or something you can conceal carry and

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you don't need a separate premate That.

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Speaker 3: Makes sense if you. But then again, if you pass

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your if you, if you, if you want, if you're

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a version and killer and you don't have a history

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of murder, you can get a weapon then and ground

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and kill people because you've got it on you all

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the time. But we're got to kill anyone people. There's

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there's weapons all open the place don't even know about.

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So why not, Well, if you've had right background check

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the weapons good?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: All right, Well there you go.

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Speaker 1: So Senate Bill fifty is it's making its way through

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the legislature right now. Steve I do appreciate the call.

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Have a great weekend, sir. All right, if you're listening

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Speaker 2: Got a message on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: It's a pet tweet from at Patriot Girl who says,

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as far as concealed carry on the Greenway goes, it's

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better to ask forgiveness than be dead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's yeah, that is definitely one.

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Speaker 1: Approach is to just you know, conceal carry and nobody knows,

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and then if you know you ended up needing to

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defend yourself, deal with the repercussions after that, but at

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least you're alive to do so. Mark says, I used

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to ride my bike on the Greenway nearly every day,

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and I have seen police on the Greenway on foot,

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on motorcycles, and on four by fours. Not every day,

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but often.

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Speaker 2: So that's good to know.

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Speaker 1: And Jonathan writes to Pete at thepetecleanershow dot com that

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Vermont has had permitless carry forever and it does not

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cause a problem there. The bill, according to the bill

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sponsor Danny Britt and Warren Daniel and Eddie Settle, they're

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all senators and and the sorry the state Senate. They said,

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this is the next step in creating a freeer North Carolina.

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Law abiding citizens deserve to exercise their Second Amendment rights

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without government interference. It is time for North Carolina to

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join the ranks of the twenty nine other states that

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have constitutional care.

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Speaker 2: All right, that'll do it for this episode. Thank you

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so much for listening.

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thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything

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while I'm gone.