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your support. So North Carolina is now one step closer
to constitutional carry Did you hear this permitless carry legislation?
Speaker 2: This is for firearms.
Speaker 1: It passed the state Senate yesterday and that was the
obstacle last time they tried to get this passed in
the state Senate, Bill fifty, called the Freedom to Carry
and See Bill. It passed in a party line vote
twenty six to eighteen. The bill all the Republicans, by
the way, all Republicans voted for it, all Democrats voted against. Obviously,
the bill would allow individuals to carry a concealed handgun
without a permit in North Carolina. The state will still
allow North Carolinians to obtain a concealed carry permit for
the purpose of reciprocity agreements with other states. And that's
important here because if you've got constitutional carry in North Carolina,
and so you go out and you buy a firearm,
right you go through and contrary to what apparently most
of the North Carolina North Carolina political media believe, you
do actually have to pass the federal knicks check, the
background check. You got to be cleared through the federal system,
but you would no longer need to get the concealed
carry permit that in places like here Mecklenburg County, our
sheriff Gary not my fault. McFadden has been slow walking
people's renewals for their concealed carry permits, although he claims
this may shock you, that that's not his fault. So
it would eliminate the sheriff from this equation. And by
the way, the reason why sheriffs sort of hold the
keys to the kingdom on gun ownership in this state
is because when Democrats ran the state, they didn't want
black people legally obtaining firearms.
Speaker 2: That was why.
Speaker 1: Because when you read the statutes like the like why
the sheriffs were required to screen applicants and determine whether
you were of good moral standing in the community, which
is so broad right that any sheriff could then use
their discretion to deny you a pistol purchase permit. And
that's just for the that's for the pistol purchases. If
you want to go buy a hunting rifle or something,
you did not need the obviously the concealed carry because
you can't really conceal, you know, a long gun. I
mean people do, yes, you could, but generally speaking, the
concealed carry permits, which is a it was sort of
a higher bar to clear than just the pistol purchase permit.
Those things were I think they were like five bucks,
and you had to pay for a specific permit. For
every single handgun that you ever wanted to buy, you'd
have to get a separate permit and then turn it
in when you made the purchase. And then if you
wanted to buy another gun, you would have to go
get another pistol purchase permit and the sheriff would have
to approve that, which is why the advice was always,
you know, get five. I think you could get five
at a time, So get five all at once, pay
twenty five bucks, get five purchase permits at the same time.
This way, you know, you use one to make the
purchase that you're intending to make, and then you've got
four others in case, you know, somebody comes along with
a really good deal. You're at a gun shop or something,
You're like, hey, I want to buy, you know, another firearm,
and so I'm going to use this permit now I
don't have to wait and go through the laborious process again. Also,
I'm not sure if our North Carolina political press corps
that is covering this story, I'm not sure if they
understand this or not. Maybe they're unaware. So I'm just,
you know, trying to help you out because I'm a giver.
Criminals don't get the permits. They don't get the concealed
carry permits, they don't get the pistol purchase permits. And
not only do they buy the guns illegally, but they
also conceal them and carry them illegally too.
Speaker 2: They're criminals.
Speaker 1: It's it's like right there in their job description, right,
So they don't follow the law. The people who do
follow the law, the law abiding people, they will go
through these hoops like I did. I've been through the hoops.
I've been through the hoops in Mecklenburg. I've been through
the hoops up in Bunkhom County. Bunkcom County was actually
pretty easy, I will say they were, and the and
the office staff was very helpful up there. They were
super helpful and they did not have a lot of
nice things to say about the Mecklenburg County operations.
Speaker 2: I'll just say because when you.
Speaker 1: Move up to Bunkhom County for Mecklenburg and they have
to try to work with you to get your you know,
your license changed over or your your permit address changed
over and get you with your new permit up there,
and like they were very helpful. I've not heard such
great things about Mecklemburg. And it starts at the top
with our sheriff, not my fault, McFadden. So you would
not need to have the conceal carey permit, unless, of course,
you want to go to another state and you want
to be armed while you're traveling in that state and
that state has conceal carey permit laws and you want
your North Carolina permit to apply in that state. And
states enter into these agreements called the reciprocity agreements, where
it's like reciprocal will honor your conceal carry permit in
our state and vice versa, So it allows for you know,
people to not have to it, because it's absurd if
you are like when I go up to New York,
I can't bring my firearm up to New York.
Speaker 2: I can't conceal carry up there.
Speaker 1: There's no reciprocity, and you have to check every single
state that you drive through to make sure you know
what the laws are in that individual state. Is the
firearms Is it allowed to be in the glove box?
Is it allowed it doesn't have to be in the trunk?
Does it have to have a you know, does it
have to be dismantled and the bullets hidden under every
single floor mat in the vehicle? Like all of these
different laws that they come up with in order to
try to limit people's ability to defend themselves law abiding people,
because again, the law abiding people are the only ones
that are going to follow those laws. Again right there
in the job description, criminals don't care. They're gonna they're
gonna drive through whatever state they want to. They're going
to conceal that gun wherever they want to, and they
don't care. So the idea behind the constitutional carry is
that you no longer need to have the concealed carry
permit that one you go through and you buy the gun,
and you get it legally, you go through the federal
knicks check and now you have your your handgun. Now
you are allowed to, you know, put it on your
waistband and put your coat on over the gun and
so it's concealed. Otherwise, if you right now, if you
don't have a concealed carry permit, but you do own
legally a side arm, you have to open carry. And
so would you prefer people be open carrying or concealed carring?
And for some people they get no unintended here. They
get triggered if they see somebody open carrying. I don't
care if I see somebody with the firearm on their
belt buckle or their belt and they're open carrying, don't.
I don't have any problem with that. They're going to
be targeted first, right, Like that's the if anything happened,
And if some bad actor attacks the venue that I
am at, and that bad actor sees the one with
the open carry, they're the one that's going to draw
the first round of fire, not me. So like that's fine.
You want to open carry, you go right ahead. Now,
if you're open carrying in a place that does not
allow firearms, okay, now you're an idiot, okay, because you
shouldn't be open carrying on the property that says you
can't be open carrying, you can't have a firearm. Also,
I disagree with people who open carry the AR fifteen's
and such, the long guns. I understand you're allowed to
do it. I just don't think it's winning any hearts
and minds. I don't think I think it's antagonistic towards people.
I think that's I think that's why folks do it.
And I'm not saying it's like, oh, the kid with
the gun in the rack and the truck, you know
that just came back from hunting.
Speaker 2: That's not the scenario.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about people who you know, purposefully transgress in
order to you know, force the issue into people's face.
I just don't think it's an effective way to persuade people. Now,
But that's the long gun.
Speaker 3: This is for.
Speaker 1: Pistols, for handguns, the concealed carries for handguns, and so
this constitutional carry bill would allow everybody who gets the
you know, gets the ability to carry the handgun. Legally,
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Speaker 2: Let me get to it.
Speaker 1: Got a message here from yeah from Twitter as a
concealed Carrie permit holder. I am all for the constitutional Carrie. However,
I think the legal penalties for negligent discharge use in
a crime, et cetera should be so that people will
seek out training and practice regularly on their own. I mean,
I'm not opposed to like that kind of idea, but
you know, the Second Amendment absolutists will disagree with that.
They will say, the only requirement is in the Constitution,
and I'm allowed to own the gun. I don't need
to do any training, I don't need to do anything right.
But yeah, I guess if you get at it with
you know, increased penalties for negligence, That's one of the
things that drives me nuts is you know, people who
have the firearms and then somebody in the house, a
kid picks up the gun and you know, harms somebody
or themselves and.
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 1: That's that's a terrible gun owner. Why would you leave
your gun around around the house? Like that, you got kids.
Those things need to be secured, they need to be
away from where the kids will get them. And that's
a lot of responsibility that. Yes, it means you got
to keep up with the gun at all times. It's
a firearm.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You have to respect the firearm. So during a press conference, sorry, yeah,
this is up in Raleigh, Democrats said that their caucus
is going to be united to stop the legislation from
going forward. They said permitless carry is a threat to
public safety and will risk lives. So unless, like unless
you're talking about the increase in gun deaths that may occur,
which nobody has cited to me any statistics, nor have
I seen any that indicate a constitutional carry state has
higher rates of sort of innocent victims of gun violence
or you know, like these types of in the home
discharges and stuff. How how does it how does it
increase the threat to public safety? And here's something else too, Guys,
as the rulers of the blue dots, the cities, you know,
these urban areas are under your control, and maybe if
you don't want everybody walking around feeling like they have
to protect themselves with firearms, maybe you should make these
places safer, right, because that's what would do it. People
walk around with concealed weapons because they are afraid that
they are going to be victimized. And the way you
reduce that fear is by making the community safer. And you,
guys running these urban areas like Charlotte, you have not
done so, by the way. This is a bit of
an aside, but I thought of this earlier today, and
I mentioned the story yesterday where the Mecklenburg County Parks
and Recreation they're going to be hiring armed private security,
not cops, but armed private security for romaor beard in Park,
target range.
Speaker 2: And the greenways.
Speaker 1: Right, So some of their parks that are seeing the
increased violence, they're going to be hiring armed private security.
Why wouldn't they ask the Mecklinburg County sheriff to station deputies.
These are Mecklinberg County commissioners that are in charge of
the Mecklinburg County Parks and w reck Why wouldn't they
ask and budget instead of giving it to a private contractor,
which I thought Democrats were opposed to, by the way, right,
But why wouldn't they Why wouldn't they ask the sheriff
to take lead on that to have deputies acting as
patrol officers or security at the parks. It's their property,
it's their control. Do they not trust the sheriff? Do
they not trust his agency? Would he charge them too
much money? Do they not think he could do a
good job?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: These are questions I think probably somebody should ask the
county commissioners if they're going to be staffing up armed security,
private security. But again, same thing, like are you allowed
to conceal carry on the greenways?
Speaker 2: I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I haven't walked on a greenway since I lived near
one and got burglarized from it, so I'm not sure.
I'm not sure what the rule is on that. But
you know, maybe if criminals that are stalking prey out
on the greenways, like maybe if they thought that everybody
jogging by was strapped, they may not jump out and
detac joggers. Right, And here's the thing, they don't have
to think everybody is strapped. They just have to know
that a certain percentage are. That's the deterrent effect. Much
like a couple cops on the greenway, one or two
security guards on the greenway act as a deturrent because
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the phones and we'll talk to Steve. Hello, Steve, Welcome
to the program.
Speaker 3: Heaynon, are you talking about having armed guards on greenways
and parks and things like that? Yeah, now, the same thing.
I think there was anything in school too. It's like
there's a time where you can't to worry about any
of that stuff. But it seems over the past several
decades the violent criminals have more have rights or something
that's about to walk around. But if you ask me, honestly,
violent criminals, if they found to be guilty of a
crime they committed, they should actually be euthanized that very
day that they're sound guilty, because there's no reason for
them to have second chances or really comfort in prisons.
Speaker 2: Yeah, youthanize people.
Speaker 1: So what about the people who are innocent that get
wrongfully convicted.
Speaker 3: Well, I have to say with DNA, now, most violent
criminals are pretty much it's gotta be incontroversible ruling. It's
got Yeah, this is DNA, you did this. Here you go.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about well, but a lot of a
lot of cases don't have DNA.
Speaker 3: Well maybe so, but I bet you if you took
volent criminals up the streets forever, the trou drop.
Speaker 2: Not well quickly, No, not necessarily.
Speaker 1: And I'm not one who says we shouldn't incarcerate, but
like this.
Speaker 3: Goes, incarceration is not good enough.
Speaker 2: No, I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, though, is that I don't trust the government,
and I don't That means when the government wrongfully convicts somebody,
they get it wrong. When you take that person's life,
they're there's no remedial course for that person. They can't
get out of jail at any point in the future.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So, And if you want to expand when you're saying
just violent crime, I don't know what types of crimes
you're talking about. Would that be like a manslaughter.
Speaker 4: Crime, like somebody's driving murders.
Speaker 1: Well, well, that's what I'm asking specifically about, like the
kinds of crimes that result in a death people get
charged with, say a manslaughter charge or something, or negligent
homicide something like that. Is that a death penalty offense
to no appeals of course. Okay, So if you're driving
down so you're driving down the road and you end
up killing somebody in a car accident, and now you're
going to get put to death. Yeah, no, no, negligent
no no, no, I said negligent homicide.
Speaker 4: So negligence, Well, it has to be a person that
and his goal is to kill or to hurt somebody
so badly that you know, like to ride the molestation
or if you kill somebody and that's your goal, to
kill them, not that I'm going to.
Speaker 3: Drop my right.
Speaker 1: Okay, So right, So North Carolina technically still does have
the death penalty. It hasn't been carried out in what
thirty years or something, and that's for the first degree murder.
So there is a category of crime that is still
that that does still apply to.
Speaker 3: It doesn't it doesn't work, right, but.
Speaker 2: Not second but not second degree murder? Not right?
Speaker 1: So the lower the lower charges. They those are not
capital offenses.
Speaker 3: Look man volent trimes to get into the roof. You
get guns and schools to protect kids. That's insane. Now
you want to protect parts. There's a problem.
Speaker 1: Wait, so your idea in order to protect kids in
schools is not to allow teachers to conceal carry, but
it is to kill more people that get charged.
Speaker 3: You miss them a point. Why are there people? Why
do need guns in schools?
Speaker 2: Now? Years ago?
Speaker 3: What happened?
Speaker 1: Oh, well, that's a that's a cultural thing. Our society
puts a very low value on life. We we it
is a corrosion of our cultural No, it's it's there's been.
Speaker 3: The right to decide how you can put to death
to be get the best benefit. It's got to be
it's got to be humane, right, Because I didn't get
my victims there, their their choice how they want to right.
Speaker 2: So you're a hang on. So now you're hang on.
Speaker 1: See if you're you're now you're now bringing up a
different point of discussion. If you're you're want you your
initial comments, we're talking about guns in schools and then
getting criminals off the streets. So I'm trying to figure
out what the right. I'm trying to figure out what
it is that what the premise is, because I feel
like there are some things that aren't Like these ideas
that you've got are not completely they're not they're not
fully formed. Okay, I understand like you want to see
a reduction in violent crime, right, you want to see
a reduction in violent crime. And if you're asking as
to why the society has the violent crime now, I
can bring up crime violent crime data, and the violent crime,
this may surprise you, is actually lower now than it
was in the nineties. It's lower now than it was
in the eighties and the seventies. So violent crime has
actually declined in America.
Speaker 3: So while we have your guns on greenways in the
school fund, because that would be indicated, it's.
Speaker 2: Increasingly not necessarily, not necessarily.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you have a crime that gets more attention,
gets more news coverage, and more people know about it
now than say one hundred years ago, because the media
didn't exist as it does now. We know way more
about every single criminal activity because of media, because the
information is now more available. But a comparison of the
crime data shows that long term, the violent crime is
dropping now when it comes to the targets of schools,
particularly as you're saying, right, the targeting of the schools,
that requires I would submit a different kind of approach
because you're talking about a very very tiny fraction of
all violent crime that occurs in a school like that
versus the majority of gun deaths, like the majority of
gun deaths are suicides. And then the next grouping is
street crime and domestic violence, like those are your top three,
So those all require different approaches. The school crime, violent crime,
school shootings that's very very low, mass shootings very very low,
is as part of the overall data set. And so
one of the ways that I would submit you go
about preventing the school shootings is you harden the target,
You allow more people who wish to voluntarily conceal carry
you allow them to do so. And you have the
police officers in this schools, and there are things that
you can do specifically to protect those schools. But if
you're asking why, but if you're asking why people right,
but if you're asking why people are now targeting those schools,
that gets to a that gets to a cultural thing
in our society at present that did not exist before.
And I would submit. At the root of it is
the degradation of the value of life is that we
don't we don't. We're not raising people to understand the
value of life. We're not raising people to understand that
their life has meaning and purpose, and we are just
bombarding them with negative messaging about all sorts of things,
but also mainly about I think there their place in
the society and the meaning of their life. And so
when you don't feel like there's any meaning to any life,
it becomes much easier to throw your own away and
to take others.
Speaker 3: I find it unusual that a lot of the school
shooters aren't known to exist by cops. Yeah before they
do it. Yeah, no, it's yeah, that's an issue, there's
but still there's so many volunt criminals that are released
from prisons, yes, and commit volent criminals again, Yes, that's right.
Did you say that there's less voluntrons in the work
in the nineties and what are you talking? Metaphor?
Speaker 1: Then, because we're allowed because the premise of the topic
was based off of the Senate Bill fifty, the Freedom
to Carry North Carolina Bill, the Constitutional carry to allow
people UH to not have to go through the UH
concealed carry permit process in order to conceal carry their firearms.
Speaker 4: Well, so do you agree with that bill? Right?
Speaker 2: Do you agree?
Speaker 1: But do you agree with the do you agree with
the bill? Do you think that's a good idea.
Speaker 3: That can seal the weapons people should be able to
character still weapon?
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you, if you, if you pass your background
check when you buy your your your pistol, then you
are allowed to carry it. And it doesn't have to
be open. It can be under a jacket or you know,
in your waistband or something you can conceal carry and
you don't need a separate premate That.
Speaker 3: Makes sense if you. But then again, if you pass
your if you, if you, if you want, if you're
a version and killer and you don't have a history
of murder, you can get a weapon then and ground
and kill people because you've got it on you all
the time. But we're got to kill anyone people. There's
there's weapons all open the place don't even know about.
So why not, Well, if you've had right background check
the weapons good?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: All right, Well there you go.
Speaker 1: So Senate Bill fifty is it's making its way through
the legislature right now. Steve I do appreciate the call.
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Speaker 2: Got a message on Twitter.
Speaker 1: It's a pet tweet from at Patriot Girl who says,
as far as concealed carry on the Greenway goes, it's
better to ask forgiveness than be dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's yeah, that is definitely one.
Speaker 1: Approach is to just you know, conceal carry and nobody knows,
and then if you know you ended up needing to
defend yourself, deal with the repercussions after that, but at
least you're alive to do so. Mark says, I used
to ride my bike on the Greenway nearly every day,
and I have seen police on the Greenway on foot,
on motorcycles, and on four by fours. Not every day,
but often.
Speaker 2: So that's good to know.
Speaker 1: And Jonathan writes to Pete at thepetecleanershow dot com that
Vermont has had permitless carry forever and it does not
cause a problem there. The bill, according to the bill
sponsor Danny Britt and Warren Daniel and Eddie Settle, they're
all senators and and the sorry the state Senate. They said,
this is the next step in creating a freeer North Carolina.
Law abiding citizens deserve to exercise their Second Amendment rights
without government interference. It is time for North Carolina to
join the ranks of the twenty nine other states that
have constitutional care.
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