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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellasikos? I am Dan Favalley back at

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you with another Hardwood Knocks NBA trade deadline pimer. We're

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onto the Milwaukee Bucks. And you heard Brian p. Porrek

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of Bleacher Report, of on SI, of Liberty Bawlers, of

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fan sided, of My God, which one of Forbes? I

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say that one, which one of Silver Screen and Roll.

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He was here to talk Sixers. He's back to talk

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Milwaukee Bucks because he covers the entire league and he's

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also a Doc Rivers fanatic, and so I figured, why

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not bang out the Milwaukee Bucks trade deadline primer with

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one of Doc Rivers's biggest fans, mister Taporek. I don't

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think I asked you this when we recorded the Sixers.

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I was so excited to get into Joel and b

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Trades and arrows. How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I am glad. I'm so excited to talk about the

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five year extension that the Bucks should sign Doc Rivers too.

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Speaker 1: Well, before we get to how much money Doc Rivers

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will get in his lifetime extension with the Milwaukee Bucks,

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but let me take us through Milwaukee's trade deadline vitals.

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So they are beneath the luxury tax by eleven point

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five million dollars, and just for posterity, they're twenty two

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point four million right now beneath next year's tax line.

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That only factors in twelve salaries and not whoever they

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draft in the first round. They cannot trade an outright

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first round or until twenty thirty one, and they have

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no real seconds to trade. I think they have. They

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have a top fifty five protected second coming in from

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someone from Utah. From Utah, yeah, which will definitely convey

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it might I mean there Utah is. Utah is trying

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their hardest to win basketball games. I do find it

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ridiculous that Utah has become the poster child for tanking

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when it's just like, no, this is a I sometimes

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feel like we misclassified tanking. But there's also other teams

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doing it as well. Yes, yes, shout out to Utah

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and Cody Williams, who I still have minimal faith in. No,

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I still have faith in Cody Williams. So the Bucks.

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Everyone wants to talk about Giannis, mister the Pork, and

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so why don't we talk about Yannis. It doesn't seem

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like the Bucks are going to move him until he

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requests a trade, which in his own words, he will

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never do his agent might do it for him while

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he consult j honest before he does it. I have

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no idea. What do you just make of this whole situation.

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Do you really buy into the sentiment that this is

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manufactured mostly by the media or is there a real

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just this tug of war, logistical tug of war or

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psychological tug of war with Yannis trying to decide what

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he wants to do, is now at a point where

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it's okay, like you're really kind of mecapping the organization

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because you're keeping them in perpetual lurch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just so tired of this whole thing. Honestly,

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Like I think it is real. I mean, based on

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the reporting from Sean's where like you know, Giannis was

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reportedly interested in going in the next they have the

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quote unquote exclusives negotiating window this offseason. You know, he

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let John Horst know he was like kind of frustrated

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with the direction of the roster, and now I would

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imagine as they're getting pasted night in and night out,

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he is not feeling any better about their trajectory moving forward.

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I mean, they are you know eleventh in the East

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right now, and like Ryan Rollins has been a great story.

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They need like four more Ryan Rollins is to really

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dig their way out. And I think, like, to me,

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the fundamental disconnect is that Giannis keeps saying my number

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one priority is winning a championship moving forward, like I

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want to win a championship. If I don't win another championship,

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my career is a failure or whatever. And if he

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really truly believes that, then there is a clearer option

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here and is not staying in Milwaukee. You are not

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maximizing your championships chances by staying in Milwaukee. If he

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wants to, Like if his number one priority was just

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to stay in Milwaukee for his whole career and be

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like the one you know city RK. Yeah, right, and

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like there is nothing wrong with that. If that's what

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you want to do, more power to you, buddy. Like,

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I don't think there would be as much breathless trade speculation.

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don't think there would be quite as much if he

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just came out emphatically and said, like, look, they can

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offer me an extension in October, I'm going to sign

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that extension, I want to stay in Milwaukee forever. He

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hasn't said that, so I think that the unspoken part

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is kind of speaking volumes in this situation. But it

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feels to me like very similar to the dance that

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Dame and the Blazers did ironically right before they traded

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him to the Bucks. Whereas, just like neither side wants

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to be seen as the bad guy, Yiannis doesn't want

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to ask out because he doesn't want to be seen

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as the bad guy. The Bucks aren't going to trade

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him unless he asks out, So we are just stuck

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in this standoff where nobody wins.

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Speaker 1: Yes, And I my whole thing, though, is can I

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make the case for the Bucks to keep honest for

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a second exactly? I think the fact that they don't

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control their own first round pick until twenty thirty one

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unless the Hawks come calling, like I just don't know,

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or I mean, Portland controls some of their draft equity.

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So if you're thinking a few years ahead, one of

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those teams comes in, sure, I get it. But from

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the Bucks's perspective, if you're able to make moves on

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the margin this year is what it is, you're not

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gonna win the title. There's nothing you could do if

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you go into the trade deadline saying we're not trading

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a first round pick, we'll be able to trade three

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first round picks over the summer. Maybe you could just

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given the way that the market is now like, maybe

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that ends up getting you a player who convinces Giannis

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to sign his extension. And this is all about we

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can say it's about winning a title, but in reality,

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it's about keeping the honest in Milwaukee as long as possible,

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because it's gonna take another fifty something years to potentially

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find another franchise lifeline like him. But I'm also coming

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at it from the perspective of do offers for Giannis.

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I think everyone frames says, well, if you trade for

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him now, you get at least two playoff runs before

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he can technically hit the open market, versus if you

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trade him over the summer, that's only one. I find

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that to ring incredibly hollow, because whether you're trading for

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him in January February, or whether you're trading for him

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in July August, you're not trading for him, or you're

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at least not putting your best foot forward unless you

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know he's gonna sign an extension and state put you

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have enough, You're gonna have enough intel for that. And

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so if I'm the Bucks, if Yannis isn't gonna demand

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a trade, I kind of understand what they're doing here,

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and I don't. It's it's it's easy for me to

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sit here and say they should just trade him. Yeah,

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I want to see Yannis on a great team, but like,

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what is the what is the harm in actually keeping him?

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I guess you could say, does he get injured and

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his trade value plummets, he might still be a player

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where you're gonna get a boat And the other thing

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is if you're not going to get a boatload for

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him now, because everyone's pointing to his age, how he's

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become less durable, he has some leverage. What if he

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says I only want to go to the Knicks, or

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I only want to go to the Heat, or something

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that's gonna happen to you over the offseason, then two

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and so I just don't find a material difference in especially,

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it'd be different to me if they controlled the fate

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of their own first round picks. And I just feel

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like that's discounted from this scenario. And the final thing.

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through the rest of this season because it leaves open

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the door that maybe you do maybe there's a player

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or a combination of players who becomes available when you

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have more assets that rebalances your team, gets Younis to

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sign an extension, and if it doesn't, you what also

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probably happens, there might be more suitors because these trades

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are one more complicated midseason, and two, I think two

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of the teams at the very least maybe three that

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you would want to negotiate with free honest, the Spurs,

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the Rockets, and the thunder have no intention of negotiating

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a Yanni's trade right now with the way they're going,

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And so that's kind of where I'm at with Jannis.

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I'm not saying that the Bucks need to do anything

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at all costs to keep him, but I don't know

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that I actually see the value in short of again,

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if that Godfather offer comes, sure, but if it did,

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the Bucks might have already struck. I think the conversation

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would be, if it does come on the table, do

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you trust that John Horst and the rest of the

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front office will will strike there or is it. No,

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we're really gonna wait this out until Yannis himself, says rout,

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because then that becomes a different conversation. But as of

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right now, I just don't like. Okay, if let's use

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the Knicks as an example, which is the team that

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he just is constantly get linked to. First of all,

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they can't trade a first round pick right now, and

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so any Knicks fans who are just like they're trying

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to they want Karl Anthony Towns off their team, but

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also think he's gonna be matching salary for Yannis. It

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just blows my mind if you think that if you've

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made some kind of wink wink agreen with you honest

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that hey, we gave this season a shot and then

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we'll trade you where you want, you're gonna get more

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from your worst offers over the off season when they're

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more flexible and have more assets available. And so I

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just don't am I wrong here?

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Speaker 2: No, No, I don't think they move him at the

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trade deadline. To be clear, I think that for all

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of the reasons you just laid out, like, I think

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there will be a breaking point if it happens, will

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be in the off season. Is much more natural and

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range of potential suitors because not only you know from

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the flexibility, like teams won't be hard cap, but like

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similar to Okay, see with Giddy, Like they had that

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playoff run, Giddy got totally exposed and they're like, oh, okay,

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we are not going to pay you. We will flip

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you for Alex Caruso, and then they won a championship

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right after. Like, the playoffs are very valuable data point

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for Houston and San Antonio in particular Cleveland too.

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Speaker 1: What if they just flame out and decide they'll be

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tricky because of the second apron unless they're but they

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enough teams where they get out of it. What you

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can get Evan Mobley as part of that. Now you don't.

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I'm just like, it just feels like more suitors would

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become one more feasible, but two out of the woodwork

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if you're waiting until the offseason anyway, And also, by

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the way, if you're Giannis, I almost wonder personally, I

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don't know that NBA players think like this, And it's

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not because I think Giannis is dumb. I just think

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that if he wants to contend for a title, he

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wants to get there as soon as possible. You're gonna

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have more in theory, more leverage over the summer because

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you only have one guarantee a year left on your deal.

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Your goal or your objective should be to get to

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a team while debilitating them as little as possible. And

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so if you're going to one of like a team

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right now and they're giving up four first round picks

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of also making it tougher for yourself to win a

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title in the short and long term. And so from

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my perspective, I'm Gianni's yes, I know he's getting older,

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but his market value, he's he could get injured tomorrow,

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so for a serious injury, and there would still be

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a team that would max him out when he hits

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free agency and can hit free agency in twenty twenty seven.

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So from my perspective is Giannis, it's yes, I know

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he wants to win right now, but like it almost

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behooves you. It gives him more optionality to get to

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a team that has to give up less to get

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him if he just waits this out, if he even

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wants to leave.

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Speaker 2: I'm really glad you brought that up, because I've been

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meaning to write about this. Like I wonder if this

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is similar to the Carmelo situation when he was in

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Denver and wanted to go to the Knicks, and then

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they traded all this stuff for him, even though he

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could have become a free agent in three months, and

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like that kind of handicap their ability to build around him.

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You can make a case right now for Yannis that

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he should almost prefer to become a free age in

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twenty twenty seven. At that point, he could just leave

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the bus completely empty handed, go sign with the team,

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you know, like Miami is already structuring their books in

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a way that like they will either have cap space

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outright to sign him, or they will make sure that

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they have the flexibility they need that like they can

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you know, take back salary and assign and trade or

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like salary dump someone to carve out on a space

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for him. So, like, if it becomes clear that Giannis

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is going to hit free agency in twenty twenty seven,

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we've seen it. You know, with Lebron in his prime,

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with Katie in twenty sixteen, like teams will move heaven

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and earth to make sure that they can actually make

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a full max boat offer for him. And at that point,

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you know, even if like let's say he gets to

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twenty twenty seven, he still wants to go to the Knicks. Okay,

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they can sign and trade for him, and like, chances

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are you're not getting as much in a sign and

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trade as you are either at the trade deadline this

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year or in the offseason this summer, because he can

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then just threaten the Bucks and say, look, I want

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to go to the Knicks. You have an opportunity to

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negotiate signing trade with them. If you choose not to

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do so, I'm gonna go sign with the Heat. And

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you were going to be left with nothing for the

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one of the best players in franchise history, and that, like,

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you are so immensely screwed if you if you go

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that route, then it really behooves you. I mean, you

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guys should have traded me two years ago, but here

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we are.

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Speaker 1: And he would also that would spark maybe a different

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trend in the NBA's just transaction life cycle where do

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players get back to free agency or do they wait

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out before signing extensions to kind of use that like

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use that leverage so forcefully. I don't know how this ends,

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but I'm with you, I don't think they trade him

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this season now. I think as the Bucks though they've

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they've conveyed that they're willing to operate as buyers, and

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I've seen people kind of sit, like make fun of

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them for saying as much. But it seems like the

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name because of the names that were mentioned for the

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most part, but if you're talking about like some of

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the targets they've been linked to, it feels like what

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they're trying to do is acquire difference makers for this season.

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We can make them semi interesting that aren't gonna cost

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them the one first round pick they could trade. Now,

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when you're looking at that, before we get into names

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that might fit it, what is this team's to you,

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like biggest needs when you're looking at the way they play,

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what they've done this season, I mean, they're another team

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that definitely feels like they need wings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, start, I mean they need everything.

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Speaker 1: And it's Ryan Rollin's been a great story and Kevin

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Porter Junior has had his moments, but they had Kyle

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Kuzma starting instead of him the other night. They need

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someone to float the non Yiannis minutes. Yeah, that's a

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that's a real thing that they need.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean like it is honestly easier to find

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areas that they don't need and what they do, like,

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they have.

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Speaker 1: So power forward probably right exactly.

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Speaker 2: Like you, you spent so much money to get Miles

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Turner that you're presumably not trying to get a new one,

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although I have wondered if there's some sort like you know,

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you bring up potential little trade options, like would they

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doing Miles Turner and Kyle Kuzma for Karl Anthony Towns.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. I not thought about that. Does that

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even get you? Does that that gets them to town?

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That does get them to Town's Money's right? They have

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so much flexibility beneath the tacks. I want to believe

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that the Knicks would say no to that, but I don't.

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I don't. I don't know for sure that they would.

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Kuzma's deal does get cheaper and then it's expiring, so

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there is that, But then you're you're kind of over

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indexing on like what does this defense look like you

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have be honest, and you have Ryan Rollins and who

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else we got there at that point, So it's just like, oh,

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like go Gary Trent Junior.

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Speaker 2: So Bobby Port is still there, Bobby.

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Speaker 1: Ports is still there. A J Green is kind of

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an underrated defender too. But yeah, that's I guess if

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you're not giving up a first round. My answer to

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that would be, or right, will why not? Like then

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you just have this massive qualify town salary if you

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do need to attach picks to anything. Uh, I mean,

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Towns and Joannis are very intuitive fit, but Giannis would

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need to do things defensively all of a sudden that

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he's just would prefer not to do right. And if

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like the Bucks are only basically a league average defense,

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they're a little bit better than league average defensively with

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Turner and Johannis on the floor, I don't know if

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that holds if you're subbing out Turner for Towns and

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like a lot of those minutes have come with Ryan

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Rollins and aj Green on the court, and so like,

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if you're removing one of those guys, what does that

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then look like?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I only brought him up because he's

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a potential, Like, you don't need to give up an

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arm and a leg to get him. You know, I

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don't think it would be a good idea for the

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I mean, to be clearly.

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Speaker 1: Well, to be fair, is it a bad like because

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Carly Town's deal is shorter Now, then you could look

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at it and say, all right, So we went through

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all the rigamarole of waving and stretching Dame Yeah, getting

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Miles Turner, and we turned him into Karl Anthony Town.

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We turned Chris Milton and Damian Lillard and AJ Johnson

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into Carl Anthony.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, like I understand them saying that they're

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going to be buyers because they're so desperate to appease Yannis.

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I you know, if you are trading that one first

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round pick that you are able to move, you better

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be damn sure that Yiannis is signing that extension in October,

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because if you are trading that pick and then he

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walks as a free agent or you trade him, there

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is no guarantee that that pick you know that you're

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going to have recovered by twenty thirty one. So I

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would be very very careful about trading that pick. And

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like in general about being a buyer, Like they're they're

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s'milar to the Sixers in a sense of like, you know,

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the Sixers have the three max deals and then edgecumb

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at eleven million. So like the Bucks have a couple

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of these mid size salaries and Turner, Kuzma and Portis,

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but like Ryan or Kevin Porter Junior is their fifth

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highest played player at five point one million, Ryan Rellins

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is four point zero million, he's their sixth highest paid player.

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So you know, they've got the flexibility under the tax

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so they can take back more salary than they send out.

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But it still gets hard to you know, construct deals

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for some of these bigger contracts for you know, at

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talents would almost have to be Turner and Kuzma or

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like Turner and Portis and probably one other deal. You know,

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a John Morant, you're still probably trading two of those guys.

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Is Zion Williamson, You're still probably trading two of those guys,

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Like Zach Levine, You're definitely trading two of those guys.

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And like they just already don't have a ton of depth,

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So is it worth imploding some of that depth for

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any of those players?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I think if you can keep Turner

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and figure out a way to do something along those lines,

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that it might just be worth it, because how does

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it You're still kind of in the same spot, You're

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just a little bit more. Either you have this name

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that is hopefully you're not get I mean, like what

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is the word You're not getting the worst contract back

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in the league, like the worst part, like some of

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the names I had thought of. It is just as

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an exercise of who are these targets that they could

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get without giving up a first round pick? Is it

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Jeremy Grant? I kind of think at this point, like

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it's not even Michael Porter Junior. You need to give

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up a first round pick for that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Do you need to give a first round pick to

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get Zion? At this point.

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Speaker 2: You shouldn't. But you know, the Pelicans are saying he's untouchable,

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so who knows?

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Speaker 1: Uh? I do what they did put out the that

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thing saying from Chris Hanes that they're not willing to

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trade Derek Queen, and I kind of just respect either

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them preemptively setting that as their away status, or did

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someone actually call and say, hey, like you know, sure.

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Speaker 2: They need the same face if that Atlanta pick or

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the pick they said Atlanta turns into like one of

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the top three guys in the draft, they need Derek

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Queen to be a megastar, or this is going to

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age about as well as the Luca trade did for

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Nico Harrison.

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Speaker 1: So I've approached it from the perspective of if you

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were willing to do portis Kuzma Porter Junior like as

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the max of like can there be some sort of

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three for run structure here. I don't know that I

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mind the zach Lavine acquisition if that's the cost, because one,

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there is a chance he would be willing to decline

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his player off here and maybe re sign a deal

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that promises him more money, but it's noticeably lower per year,

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so I think that would be a factor to consider.

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He's also someone who the playmaking is never really there.

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But if you're looking to remain afloat better on the

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offensive end without Yannis on the court, I think that

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he's I prefer him to Kevin Porter Junior for that

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for sure. Is he someone who costs a like you

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don't need to give up a first round pick?

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Speaker 2: Oh right, I can't imagine. I mean, like the Kuzma

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contract is not great, but I mean he's like, yeah,

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Levin's earning what forty nine million next year, and so

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like you're the only long term salary and that's relative term.

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Is Portois is at fifteen point six and twenty seven

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to twenty eight, So you're adding that contract but subtracting

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you know, nine million from your books this year or

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eight ish? They are yeah, around eight seven or eight

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this year, probably nine next year, especially if Kevin Porter

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Junior turns down to this player option. I mean the

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issue from Milwaukee sign though, is like your your depth

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is so shallow, especially at forward at that point, like

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is Torrian Prince's Well.

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Speaker 1: Do are the Kings if they're getting off of this

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big zach Lavine number for next season? And so now

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you've broken up to a bunch of are they willing

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to send Keon Ellis out as well? Okay, so maybe

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there's something.

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Speaker 2: There that's we're getting warmer homie Dario. Can we get

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him involved in this deal somehow or like yeah, I mean,

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ugh at Chua, maybe at least to just give them

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some depth for like if Kuzman and Porters are going out,

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it's Giannis Miles Turner.

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Speaker 1: Well, what would be interesting is they become because of

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in theory they have Giannis their team, that would have

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a ton of minutes available. They could become an interesting

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buyout candidate destination too, that's true, which they could. Maybe again,

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you're not getting a savior, like we just got a starter,

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picked him right off the open market.

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Speaker 2: And what if Middleton comes back? That'd be a fun story.

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Speaker 1: There you go. So now you've traded, You've got Zacklovine,

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You've got ke On Elis, you brought in Chris Middleton

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to cost you KPJ. Let's say Torrey and prints Kuzma

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and Portis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, if they could swing. That's a fair

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point about a buyout. And like Middleton seems like an

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obvious buy out candidate, and I would think there would

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be interest in him coming back, especially like with the

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opportunity that he would have there, the comfort that he

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has with Jannis in particular. Now you're talking that that

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is probably the best idea I've heard for the Bucks.

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Speaker 1: I thought about John Morant. I hate the fit, but

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it's just a pure upside play. But I think the Grizzlies,

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like you have to give up the first to get him,

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and I'm just not doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Milwaukee agreed. Yeah, the offensive fit with him. The

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honis just seems tough.

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Speaker 1: Would could I interest you in if you're saving Cleveland's

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some money? A DeAndre Hunter.

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Speaker 2: For Kuzma?

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Speaker 1: No, DeAndre Hunter, I mean makes more than that, so

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have to be like a Portois situation.

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Speaker 2: Oh man mhmm, Well no, they could do. They can

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do Kuzma for Hunter, right.

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Speaker 1: Oh, they Hunter reached that much money. I forgot Kusma

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00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,039
was so cheap. I forgot.

476
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Hunter is at twenty three point three and Kuzma's

477
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,519
at twenty two point four. That almost works perfectly.

478
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need to know I'm from Cleveland's and then

479
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,039
I guess I'm gonna need to know what they would

480
00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,279
uh what else they would be getting out of that.

481
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: Right, because yeah, they're both. I mean it's four million

482
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,200
dollars less, almost five million dollars less.

483
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,920
Speaker 1: I I guess if that's if Dan Gilbert's involved, and

484
00:24:40,039 --> 00:24:42,440
that's right, he decides that he really wants to save money.

485
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're triman the tax bill by about nine well,

486
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,160
the salary by nine one hundred thousand this year. So

487
00:24:49,279 --> 00:24:54,920
with the tax bill goes down fairly substantially. Maybe you

488
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,559
can get like I don't know, figure out Kuzma and

489
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,759
Kevin order junior for DeAndre Hunter and Lonzo Ball.

490
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,160
Speaker 1: So the Caps can't aggregate sout Oh true?

491
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,200
Speaker 2: Oh no, well do it? Structure is two separate trades.

492
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 1: Then there you go. I thought about I just don't

493
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,000
know what, like where the inside because you just have

494
00:25:17,079 --> 00:25:21,160
no sweeteners here. But Chicago has all those expirings just

495
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,599
kind of burning a hole in their pocket. Is there

496
00:25:24,599 --> 00:25:26,480
any like I would assume move would make a lot

497
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,839
of sense in Milwaukee? Yeah, I just don't like what

498
00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:33,400
is that? I just don't have anything small to attach.

499
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,759
Speaker 2: Right, like not having a single second round pick. It's

500
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,640
brutal for the Bucks, like they it's you know, I

501
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,720
think every team is going to ask for Ryan Rollins

502
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:46,119
and the Bucks would correctly say no. But like, is

503
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,240
Cole Anthony a good sweetener for like a mere coffee?

504
00:25:50,279 --> 00:25:53,200
Like I like both of those guys, but I don't

505
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,839
think they really move the needle on a in terms

506
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:57,759
of value for any team.

507
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,359
Speaker 1: No, maybe the Bulls are really hot for Jericho Simms.

508
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,599
Speaker 2: Sure, I guess though, Yeah.

509
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: The targets that wouldn't cost a first round pick, or

510
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:11,839
that I wouldn't think would cost a first round pick.

511
00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:15,440
I should say, are pretty underwhelming. I like, if the

512
00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:18,160
MAVs are really looking to get flexible, Naji Marshall would

513
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,359
make a lot of sense. Oh yeah, it's Naji Marshall.

514
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,640
And then you probably need to take back like Naji

515
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,920
Marshall and they get off the Kayleb Martin deal for

516
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,240
Kyle Kuzma.

517
00:26:27,039 --> 00:26:30,799
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, Paul George, they have an interest in the

518
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:32,039
lightly use Paul George.

519
00:26:32,839 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: How do they so? That would be.

520
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: It?

521
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,319
Speaker 1: Kuzma Kuzma and portous enough to get you back maybe

522
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,440
Kevin Porter Junior wo the Sixers.

523
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 2: Do that, probably not because of the roster spots issue,

524
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:48,440
but they should to get off that money.

525
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,319
Speaker 1: Because what is Paul George that because they can actually

526
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:51,799
I think.

527
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 2: It's fifty one point seven or fifty one point sixty

528
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:56,359
six sixty six, So.

529
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: The Bucks give up those three they can take back.

530
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:02,400
Oh that that gets them sixty two. Why doesn't that

531
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,240
sound Why isn't that seems so wrong?

532
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? That should get them to like I mean one

533
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,680
hundred and twenty five percent so and plus two fifty

534
00:27:09,839 --> 00:27:15,279
so I think I mean it's gonna be close. I

535
00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:22,200
think that should get them forty point nine. Yeah, that's

536
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,240
gonna get it. Oh no, it doesn't. Oh my gosh, No,

537
00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:28,200
they're like two hundred thousand dollars short.

538
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 1: No, they it gets them to Kawhi Leonard. Oh fifty

539
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:33,880
million flat.

540
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: There we go. Are you just you gamble on whether

541
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:40,240
Adam Silver is about to void his contract?

542
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: Well? That self, well, I guess that leads me to

543
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:47,400
this question then though, is are there any players within reason? Yeah,

544
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,400
you give up the one first round pick if it

545
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,240
got you. I don't know Scotty Barnes, but I g's

546
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:55,319
not gonna get you Scottie Barnes. I don't know why

547
00:27:55,319 --> 00:27:57,480
that was the name that's brong to mind. But is

548
00:27:57,519 --> 00:27:59,759
there a player that you would be willing to give

549
00:27:59,839 --> 00:28:02,039
up the first round pick four that you could see

550
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,480
coming up? I'll throw names at you. Is this is

551
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,440
the better way of doing it?

552
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 2: Yep?

553
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:12,759
Speaker 1: Jared Jackson Jr. Like that I've made you your brain hurt.

554
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: I mean they probably would, but like that, this is

555
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,279
these are This is one of the type of things

556
00:28:20,279 --> 00:28:23,000
where it's like, this is the risk you're running by

557
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:27,440
keeping Giannis. Is that you're just doubling down on something

558
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,240
that I do not think is going to work.

559
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: Well, let's operate under the assumption that this is well

560
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,599
you're saying, so if it gets Giannis to sign the extension,

561
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,039
if he says, you go out and you trade for

562
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,240
player X, I'll sign the extension, does that make it

563
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,720
easier for you to give up the first round pick

564
00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:43,559
or are you still just.

565
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 2: I guess? So? Yeah, I mean I guess because then

566
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:51,079
it at least removes the downside of the twenty thirty

567
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,039
one pick.

568
00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:54,799
Speaker 1: Being But I do think you have to operate under

569
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:57,319
the assumption for this exercise that he's not issuing you,

570
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,039
that there are players he probably issue it for, but

571
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:01,400
the bucksborn first round pick is.

572
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: Not going to get them, right. Yeah, So Jared.

573
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: Jackson Junior is the name? Are you doing it?

574
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

575
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:11,359
Speaker 1: That's insane, not on your end, but it's insane that

576
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,400
I understand where you're coming from with that.

577
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like, I mean, I think the Bucks

578
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:18,400
would like the Bucks one hundred.

579
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie I probably would too. Yeah, I mean,

580
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:25,640
i'd say, like, oh, we could still trade two first

581
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,480
round picks this summer and then we have Giannis and

582
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:30,480
Jared Jackson Junior, and one like, you get to keep

583
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,680
the Miles Turner contract in this scenario, So that'd be

584
00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:34,880
something you'd be able to look at.

585
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: But I just worry, like, especially with the way the

586
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:43,000
NBA is trending now, where it's like you can have

587
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:47,599
two guys on these major max deals and you can

588
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,720
still feasibly build a supporting cast. Once you get to three,

589
00:29:50,759 --> 00:29:54,839
it's tough. They've already got twenty million dollars or twenty

590
00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:57,680
two point five million dollars dead cap hit each of

591
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:00,640
the next five seasons with Dames, so they're like already

592
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:05,279
starting right behind the eight ball because of that. Now

593
00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:08,920
you're adding Jared Jackson, you're paying what one hundred plus

594
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,200
million for You're starting front court, and like, who we're

595
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:15,680
keeping Miles Turner in this scenario, So like, is Yiannis

596
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:20,400
playing the three? You're starting JJJ, Giannis and Miles Turner altogether.

597
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: I would absolutely do that. You would still be a

598
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,599
negative on the glass.

599
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:31,839
Speaker 2: Somehow, certainly between JJJ and Turner. You know, I yes,

600
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:35,000
teams are upsizing. So maybe this is the cure, the

601
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,079
uh antidote to what Houston is doing.

602
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: Or you see like do you turn At that point,

603
00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:42,279
it's oh do we see what? Like Archstererono want to

604
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:45,599
give us picks? And who for Miles Turner Jackson Junior

605
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,920
is coming right? Yeah, I mean r J Barrett plus

606
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,200
what we're I mean Emmanuel quickly would plably make some sense.

607
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,720
That's a really bad deal though, but still you could

608
00:30:55,759 --> 00:30:58,000
move Miles turn like there are teams that would still

609
00:30:58,039 --> 00:30:59,480
actively want Miles Turner.

610
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh for sure, for sure I would just like,

611
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:04,200
if I'm giving up that pick, I would try to

612
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,680
find someone more complimentary of the honest rather than someone

613
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,079
who plays the same position.

614
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,519
Speaker 1: Okay, I know this team wouldn't do it, but I'm

615
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:16,960
just curious to see what you think, LaMelo ball mm.

616
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,079
Anyone who listens to this podcast knows that I would

617
00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:23,880
do it, and I'd probably give up even more if

618
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:24,319
I could.

619
00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 2: Sure. I mean again, if it's just one first round pick, yes,

620
00:31:29,519 --> 00:31:36,279
like that the acquisition cost is reasonable. I just would

621
00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:41,079
not want Like, if my goal is to convince Giannis

622
00:31:41,119 --> 00:31:43,440
to stay long term, I do not think LaMelo is

623
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:45,200
helping that cause he might only.

624
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:52,119
Speaker 1: Hurt Tyler Hero. Oh this season's about He's I don't

625
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:54,160
know if he's even gonna like he's so injured, it's.

626
00:31:54,039 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: Just yeah, yeah, I mean he's one where so he's

627
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:04,920
under contract this year thirty three, next year free agent

628
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,319
in twenty seven, So lines up with Giannis.

629
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:10,359
Speaker 1: He's not gonna get any more expensive either with the

630
00:32:10,359 --> 00:32:10,839
way right.

631
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:14,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was thinking, Like he's one of

632
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:16,400
those guys. And I think that's what kind of is

633
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,680
appealing about Levine too, is that, like one would hope

634
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,200
that Lezack Lavine realizes the days of him being a

635
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:27,359
max contract player are very over. I could see Hero

636
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,279
not understanding that yet, So that would be my one

637
00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:35,000
concern with him, But I'd be more open to him,

638
00:32:35,319 --> 00:32:38,359
I think than JJJ.

639
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:45,079
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, what about what about Trey Murphy? Yes, I

640
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:47,160
don't think the Pelicans would say yes, but if I'm

641
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,920
the Bucks, I would also look at Trey Murphy and

642
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:53,519
wonder if that augments because he's Trey Murphy's excellent, but

643
00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:57,559
it's just can he be your number two on a

644
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:00,079
legit contender? Would still be a question for me.

645
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 2: But he is not, you know, he's only earning Yeah,

646
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:06,839
Like he's not earning enough that you have to have

647
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,559
him as your number two. Like that's the concern with JJJ.

648
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,559
It's like you got Giannis and JJJ earning one hundred

649
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,440
plus million. I got the twenty plus million dead cap

650
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,799
hit for Dame. It's hard to build a roster around that.

651
00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:21,160
Tray Murphy's you know, earning twenty five this year, twenty seven,

652
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,000
like it goes up two million every year, like sixteen

653
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:27,319
ish percent of the cap. That's a great contract. I

654
00:33:27,359 --> 00:33:30,079
have no concerns about that. And that's more like a

655
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:33,200
number three option. Then you know, you got to figure

656
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,359
out how to get the number two. But yeah, I'm

657
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,920
much more open to him than any of the first

658
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,400
few names mentioned.

659
00:33:43,079 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: Now, let's assume that both of these players are healthy,

660
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,640
and I'm really only talking about one of them because

661
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,000
he's currently out. Would you give up the first round

662
00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:53,480
pick for Kawhi Leonard or James Harden?

663
00:33:53,880 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. If the goal is to con and to

664
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,559
be honest, to stay no, again, Like I don't think

665
00:34:04,559 --> 00:34:07,720
it gets them to it being back to a title contender,

666
00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:13,639
but like, if they're willing to double down, that would

667
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:14,480
probably do it.

668
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,119
Speaker 1: What about would it be? Well, there was another we're

669
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,239
not we both were in agreement that Michael Porter Junior

670
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,800
is not good enough to do that for right.

671
00:34:25,159 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: M Yeah, yeah, sure I would. I get they're all

672
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:41,599
in the same boat of like they're not gonna meaningfully change,

673
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,079
Like Okay, the Bucks will go, they won't be the

674
00:34:45,079 --> 00:34:47,199
eleventh best team in the East, like, you know, I

675
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:50,400
think they'd be firmly in play in territory or maybe

676
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,679
they can threaten for like it's that, you know, the

677
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,719
sixth seed if they make any of these deals. I

678
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,000
still don't think especially next year when like Tatum is

679
00:35:00,159 --> 00:35:03,639
back and Halle is back, and if the Pacers add

680
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,719
you know, an impact rookie, like they're going to be

681
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,360
right back in the mix with the rest of the

682
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:13,119
you know, good teams in the East, Like this year

683
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:17,760
is the opportunity if anything like the East only projects

684
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:23,760
to be significantly better next year, I would think so. Yeah,

685
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,320
Like I don't think Michael Porter Junior. Swings are drastically

686
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,119
sings are title as long term.

687
00:35:28,079 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: Especially now, would it be more or less reckless or

688
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,840
even just more or less palatable to go the route

689
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,000
of we're not getting up this first round pick for

690
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:38,880
a star, but what if we were able to get

691
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,000
two or three rotation players who help not only this

692
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:46,039
season but next and so, just as an exercise, what

693
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:48,679
if that picks on the table and Dallas is willing

694
00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:53,000
to give you Nausey Marshall, Max Christie and you're taking

695
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,360
the flyer on Derek Lively.

696
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I would be more amenable to something like that,

697
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,440
I think than one big contract, because again, I think

698
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,679
that the Bucks have so many needs that I would

699
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:09,360
be looking to fill them with depth more than Yeah,

700
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,320
you do it like you trade it for Kawai. Why

701
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,960
gets hurt? You were right back to where we started,

702
00:36:14,079 --> 00:36:17,960
except now we're without you know, like a couple of

703
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,679
your rotation players as well, so you're even worse. But

704
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:25,800
you do this for yeah, those guys, and now you're

705
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,480
at least you have the depth to survive any absences

706
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:30,199
for any one of them.

707
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,159
Speaker 1: I don't think this team has the foresight to do it.

708
00:36:33,679 --> 00:36:34,039
Speaker 2: Oh boy.

709
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:37,599
Speaker 1: But what if Chicago just said Kobe White, Iota Soon,

710
00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:40,719
MoU and one. If that's not enough, then they're willing

711
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:46,679
to give you their lottery protected first round pick this year, wow,

712
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,880
to get the twenty thirty one Bucks. If that's too much,

713
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,559
it's you get to pick two of those then it's

714
00:36:51,599 --> 00:36:53,719
just what I'm saying. But if I don't like, both

715
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,119
i Ow and Kobe White are going to be free

716
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:56,679
agents though, so I don't know if.

717
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a tougher sell for the Bucks,

718
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,599
not knowing that you're gonna be over resigning either one.

719
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:09,639
You're like, I mean, could you imagine if they they

720
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,119
trade the twenty thirty one pick, those guys both walk

721
00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:13,960
and the off season, and then the Honest is like,

722
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,519
well what now, guys.

723
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, that's fair. Here's this is another star one.

724
00:37:23,639 --> 00:37:26,400
It's the most this is so out there. But what

725
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:31,119
if Jimmy Butler's injured and Steph goes to the Warriors

726
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:33,280
and says, oh, yeah, send me. I want to play

727
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,239
with another star because Jimmy's not going to be hurt.

728
00:37:35,519 --> 00:37:37,800
Are you're giving up the first round pick for Steph? Right?

729
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, without question. I mean I'm.

730
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: Assuming there'd be better off for someone. What if he's

731
00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:44,880
just as I want to go play with you, Honest

732
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,239
and Charlotte together, get us both, okay?

733
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: Say He goes and tells the Warriors out in the

734
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,159
words are like, all right, we'll call Milwaukee, We'll get

735
00:37:53,199 --> 00:37:53,760
him over here.

736
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: I don't, man, Paul George is you're not giving up

737
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:00,960
the first round pick for Paul George and we hadn't.

738
00:38:01,079 --> 00:38:03,039
I don't know where we let settled down with the

739
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:06,960
Sixers give him up without Like, if you're if the Bucks,

740
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,199
if you just figure it out the roster spots everything,

741
00:38:09,199 --> 00:38:11,679
and you're the Sixers and the Bucks are willing to

742
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:15,320
get to Paul George's money, and it's probably a four

743
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,199
for two and that's like you're moving Eric Gordon or whatever.

744
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,440
Are you doing that as the Sixers? I think so,

745
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:24,679
especially I think about the Bucks, I'm probably doing it too,

746
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:26,480
because if Yannis, if I haven't given up a first

747
00:38:26,519 --> 00:38:29,679
round pick, and Paul George, all right, Paul George is

748
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:32,360
on my books when I already have twenty plus million

749
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,320
dollars in dead money on my books, and Giannis leaves

750
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,320
all right, so what.

751
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:38,559
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, Yeah, Myles Turner is on there as well.

752
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: Well yeah, but it's sort of like Myles Turner will

753
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:44,079
be moved. My point is, just, if I'm the Bucks,

754
00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:46,199
I'm not actually too concerned about the If I'm not

755
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:48,800
giving up a first round pick, I'm not overly concerned

756
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,840
about the length of these deals. If there's if I

757
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,119
think I can strike lightning in a bottle this season

758
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,559
because of the move, sure, Paul George would be a

759
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:58,960
perfect example. So the Sixers are just yeah, find the

760
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,079
third fourth, Like maybe the Sixers were even including seconds

761
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:03,800
to grease the wheels of certain just to get out

762
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:06,960
of the Paul George contract. If I'm the Bucks, I

763
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:09,079
think I'm absolutely considering that.

764
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 2: Sign me up. Where can I get the commissioner on

765
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:14,800
the phone?

766
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: I guess the moral of the story is, do we

767
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,920
actually think the Bucks are gonna do anything to buy though?

768
00:39:22,559 --> 00:39:23,039
This year?

769
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 2: I think they. I mean they're really posturing like they will,

770
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,159
you know, I think it's for the reasons we've laid out.

771
00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:32,199
Speaker 1: This season for disinformation. I guess for sure they've been

772
00:39:32,199 --> 00:39:35,159
sending the same signal since like Opening night though to

773
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:36,280
be sure as well.

774
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,559
Speaker 2: I think like given their lack of assets and their

775
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:43,159
lack of positive value contracts other than Ryan Rollins and Giannis,

776
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:46,280
it will be difficult for them to do so. And

777
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:49,079
I really, really really really like that's the one thing

778
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:51,519
I do not want to see is that they give

779
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,320
up Ryan Rollins for a short term upgrade or something

780
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,440
like that, because then if the other shoe drops with

781
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,639
Yannis at some point they are even more crude in

782
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:03,440
the future, not that like Ryan Rollins is a long

783
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:05,559
term asset for them. Is four million this year, four

784
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,159
million next year, gonna go out on a limb and

785
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,760
say he's turning down the four point ze million dollar player, right.

786
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,960
Speaker 1: Right, So so he's gonna get He's not going to be

787
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:14,159
a bargain forever.

788
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 2: Either, right right, right, right, But yeah, I mean, like,

789
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,199
I'm sure that's what you know, especially in these deals

790
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,239
where the Bucks are not offering a first round pick,

791
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:30,440
like that's the sweetener every team's gonna lot. I just

792
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,519
hope for the Buck's sake that they're keeping both the

793
00:40:33,559 --> 00:40:36,760
short term and long term in mind, and like are

794
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:41,079
being realistic about with themselves about the prospect of be honest,

795
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:46,000
either requesting a trade this offseason potentially or leaving as

796
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:48,239
a free agent twenty twenty seven, Like they need to

797
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,039
hedge against.

798
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: That, I think to their credit, and they have, I've

799
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,320
seen people criticize them for this and compliment them just

800
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,599
given how aggressive they have been during the Yannis era.

801
00:40:58,119 --> 00:40:59,960
Now that it sort of feels like they have reached

802
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:03,960
an inflection point, I don't think they're gonna be as

803
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,639
aggressive with trading that first round pick, and or Ryan

804
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:11,320
Rollins if I had to predict if they make a move,

805
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,360
I think what their biggest asset they will use is

806
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:17,719
their flexibility beneath the attacks to take back more money

807
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,159
and to try and just make a short term upgrade

808
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:22,639
so that they kind of kick the can over to

809
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,280
We talked up ast the top end of the off

810
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,199
season to where it's we can either take bigger swings

811
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,320
now or now is when the Yanni situation comes to

812
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,880
a head. And I think that's honestly the right call.

813
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,239
I haven't seen of all the like, we know the

814
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:39,119
way that the Hawks are, They're not gonna go and

815
00:41:39,159 --> 00:41:41,920
get y honest right now. The Spurs aren't the Oklahoma

816
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,199
City Thunder, aren't just the landscape. Not that no team would.

817
00:41:45,199 --> 00:41:47,360
Maybe the Warriors would give up everything for Gianness. But

818
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:48,920
even if I'm the Bucks and I'm getting all the

819
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:51,519
Warriors picks, that make some sense, But there might be

820
00:41:51,559 --> 00:41:54,159
part of me that's like, what if the Spurs the

821
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,119
Rockets want to get involved over the summer. I think

822
00:41:57,159 --> 00:42:00,639
the smartest thing is to not do anything to keep

823
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:02,920
the first round pick. For sure, And I would say

824
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,119
Ryan rollins with the first round pick, for sure, and

825
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:07,480
then you just reevaluate over the summer. And I kind

826
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,719
of think that this is terrible for content, but like

827
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,840
all the hemming and hauling and pretzel twisting over this

828
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,719
is like that's just the answer, and I think it's

829
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,639
the right one for I think it's the right one

830
00:42:17,679 --> 00:42:19,480
for them. I think it's probably the right one for

831
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:21,480
Giannis at this point. If you want to get somewhere

832
00:42:21,519 --> 00:42:25,559
without having them give up literally everything to get you,

833
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,400
I think I think that's I think that's what's going

834
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,519
to play out at this trade deadline, would be my guess.

835
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:33,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And like from the Bucks perspective too,

836
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,320
assuming Gianas doesn't request the trade in the next two

837
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,119
weeks like you want, I think it makes sense to

838
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,400
let the lottery play out, like you want more certainty

839
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:47,800
about what you're trading your once in a generation superstar for.

840
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,840
So like, yeah, Atlanta, you know is the obvious destination

841
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:56,519
since they own control at least of the picks this

842
00:42:56,599 --> 00:42:59,719
year and next year. Like if you can get depending

843
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,840
on where that Atlanta pick lands this year, now, you know,

844
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,840
all right, Like, am I trading for the number two pick,

845
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,320
the number one pick, or am I trading for like

846
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,239
the number seven pick, because that is a very drastic

847
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,360
difference in value. Then can I also get control of

848
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,239
my twenty twenty seven pick back? Like I think, no

849
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,920
matter what if they do trade Giannis this offseason, even

850
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,920
if Jannis isn't going to Atlanta, you have to get

851
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,360
control of the twenty twenty seven pick back as so,

852
00:43:29,559 --> 00:43:32,800
Like I don't know if you know whichever team gets you, honest,

853
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,880
if it's not Atlanta, that team has to pay Atlanta

854
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,719
something to make Atlanta send that those rights back to

855
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,320
Milwaukee as well, Like that's baked into the price of

856
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,320
the y honest trade.

857
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:46,079
Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is just not that this would

858
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:49,320
definitely happen, but what if there's a like we'll get

859
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,760
what just happened in Dallas, and I'm I'm assuming they

860
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,000
wouldn't do that, Like what if Dallas won the lottery? Again? Like,

861
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:55,360
is there a team that could win the lottery and

862
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,239
will consider giving you the number one pick right for you? Honest?

863
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,679
That's so you're talking about lottery class are Like maybe

864
00:44:00,679 --> 00:44:03,320
there's just a there are teams that will win the lottery.

865
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,920
Washington Utah that are not going to do that, But

866
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,360
what if it's a team that would, Yeah, why take

867
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,079
that option off the however, slim it is, why take

868
00:44:12,119 --> 00:44:13,320
that option off the table.

869
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 2: Because that also reduces how much they have to send

870
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:20,239
out In addition, like what I mean, the Spurs aren't

871
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,199
gonna be in the lottery this year, but like you know,

872
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,679
I'm trying to think of a team. What if the

873
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:31,400
Heat win the lottery and now can offer the number

874
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:35,519
one pick? Like do you even need to include tell

875
00:44:35,519 --> 00:44:36,440
a hero at that point?

876
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 1: Probably for salary matching, Probably Turbos years off the books.

877
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:45,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Wiggins has a player option arm pals off. Yeah,

878
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,000
I mean I know you were on this boat too,

879
00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:55,679
but like a Heat offer built around Bam I think

880
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,360
could make a fair bit of sense.

881
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I mean, your ceiling is higher with that,

882
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:05,039
but you're still then do you have your number two

883
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:07,920
in place BAM and the number one pick? That's like

884
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,079
kind of absurd actually yeah.

885
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, I don't know if you're going that high,

886
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:17,599
But I mean, what if, like Miami, I don't know

887
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,039
what baman number four. Let's say, so you're not getting

888
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:23,599
like the top three guys, but you're getting the best.

889
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 1: Of the rest. I mean, yeah, I think it should.

890
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,440
It makes so much more sense for them to wait,

891
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:33,039
even if the I think it's been over s like

892
00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:36,199
I get if that Godfather offers out there where it's

893
00:45:36,199 --> 00:45:38,880
what four for five, like, if it's out there right now,

894
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,639
I think depending on the team, yeah, but I just

895
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:44,760
don't I've been a little bit surprised at how many

896
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,920
people they just need to move. It. It's different if

897
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,639
he requests her out, as you said, which it doesn't

898
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:52,400
seem like he's done in an official capacity yet.

899
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:57,360
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Right, yeah, I don't know that he will.

900
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:01,400
But my biggest.

901
00:46:01,079 --> 00:46:03,639
Speaker 1: Question actually is do the Bucks have the courage? This

902
00:46:03,679 --> 00:46:06,480
would be an off season thing. I thought whenever if

903
00:46:06,519 --> 00:46:08,559
they what they deem is a good offer or the

904
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:11,440
right offer comes along, do they have the gall if

905
00:46:11,519 --> 00:46:16,280
Joannis hasn't requested for out to make the move, I

906
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,599
don't know. I don't Well, we could say that, but

907
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:21,199
what is what did they pass on the Knicks? Whatever

908
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:22,840
the Knicks could offer over the off season, So they

909
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:23,840
passed on nothing.

910
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 2: Right, that is a fair point. I I I don't know.

911
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:33,400
I mean, I think we talked about this a little

912
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,280
bit in the sixty But like, what is the bucks priority?

913
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,559
Do they get? You know, they're gonna say we care

914
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:42,639
about winning a championship, but like they're keeping honest because

915
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:47,480
they want butts and seats, So like, is that their

916
00:46:47,559 --> 00:46:51,360
primary motivation at this point? Like they know that if

917
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:55,760
whenever Yannis leaves, whether it's trade free agency, he retires

918
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,480
a buck, They're gonna be in the wilderness for a

919
00:46:58,519 --> 00:47:02,519
little bit. That's just how these things go. I get

920
00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:05,079
the impression that their ownership group is not very excited

921
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:07,039
about that prospect, and they are trying to punt that

922
00:47:07,159 --> 00:47:11,559
as long as they possibly can. So, you know, are

923
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:17,000
they willing to risk losing him for nothing to take

924
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:20,239
this into twenty twenty seven? Or if like or is

925
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,199
it you offer him the extension October first he says no, Like.

926
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: All right, then that's yeah, we're out. But that just

927
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,199
seems like the easiest thing to wait, Like you've just

928
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,119
then you'll have you'll have all your options is to

929
00:47:32,199 --> 00:47:34,119
the not only Yannis trade offers, but the move that

930
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:36,239
you could make. I just think that that's how this

931
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,159
is destined. I guess I wouldn't be shocked if he

932
00:47:38,199 --> 00:47:40,480
came out and requested a trade just because there's been

933
00:47:40,519 --> 00:47:43,519
so much noise, But it doesn't seem you know, for

934
00:47:43,639 --> 00:47:45,480
him to give that quote to sam Amock and say

935
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,199
that's just not something I'm ever gonna do is you

936
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:50,119
could say it's hollow, but then it's well, what are

937
00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:52,400
the optics look like if you turn around three weeks later?

938
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:56,159
Speaker 2: Right right? Yeah? Like I I don't think he does

939
00:47:56,199 --> 00:47:59,760
it this year. I I wouldn't be shocked if they

940
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,039
especially if they can continue to go in this direction

941
00:48:02,119 --> 00:48:04,480
for the rest of the season, if it happens this offseason,

942
00:48:04,599 --> 00:48:07,159
or like as you alluded to, maybe he doesn't officially

943
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,559
request the trade his agent just so without Yeah, he

944
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has no idea what his agent is saying, but his

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agent's like, you know what we would like out.

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Speaker 1: Please, mister Taporak. This was a lot of fun. Are

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you able just to tell our audience they can find

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you in all the fantastic work that you do.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you can find me on Blue Sky at B

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T O P O R E k on Si for Sixers, content, Forbes,

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for General NBA, plenty of the honest stuff throughout the year,

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Silver Screening Role Fan Sided and then b R You

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and I well we'll be working together, I'm sure, on

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a bunch of fun NBA stuff this year and.

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Speaker 1: NFL projects over the next court. You need a you

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need to come in and I can boast my shallow

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well of NFL now.

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Speaker 2: If you want it. We got a big one coming

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around the Super Bowl that I want spoil. So if

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you would like to participate in the voting, please good

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Where I think we're at thirteen voters right now, you

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can be an even fourteen.

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Speaker 1: I will skew the rankings towards only New York Giants

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players from the nineteen nineties. If it's rankings thing, it

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is indeed until next time, and as always, please remember

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rate Review, subscribe to all the things tell people about us,

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and shout out to the one, the only, mister Frank

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Bela Keenan