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Speaker 1: Semio the Thinking Atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol,

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an idea.

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Speaker 2: The population of atheists in this country is going.

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Speaker 1: Through the rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred.

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If I tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth,

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not because I put my hand on a book and

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made a wish and working together for a more rational world.

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Speaker 2: Take the risk of thinking. Feel so much more happiness.

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Truth Fusian wisdom will come to you that way.

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Speaker 1: Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the

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Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews.

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Speaker 2: There is video of this live stream the YouTube link

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in the description box spontaneous, unplanned just to host venting.

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So for all of its flaws, I apologize, but it's real,

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and here it is. I'm going to admit to you

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a few things I can't believe. I'm going to admit.

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And then, of course the phone lines are open if

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you want to call and vent. I know a lot

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of people have a lot of stuff on their mind.

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I have been struggling a little bit with sleep anyway,

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and the past few days have just been a freaking nightmare.

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And I'm sure you may feel the same way, which

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is weird. You know, I know that I am in

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probably the least endangered demographic right now. I mean, I

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get it. Even though I'm an atheist activist, I think, well,

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you know, I'm a CIS white male, and so I'm

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not going to be the one as much in the crosshairs.

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But I do grieve about the potential, the possibilities of

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what is to come. So you know, I'm able to

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drop off, and then I wake up and my brain

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is like a spinning hard drive. Do you know what

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that's like? And I lay there and I get myself

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worked up and I worry, and then I get up,

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and then I get mad that I can't sleep. Then

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I eat something and I'm like, I'm not eating because

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I'm hungry. I'm eating because I'm bored. Stop eating, and

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then I finish what I was eating, and then I

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try to go back to bed, and I can't sleep,

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so I doom scroll, I go on social media. Terrible idea,

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especially in the middle of the night. You don't want

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to log onto the news sites. I've been in avoidance mote.

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I don't even go to the news. I don't want

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to know what the headlines are. Because I know what

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they're going to be for the next several years. Avoidance.

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Is it a healthy avoidance or is it not? Sleep

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has been a problem. I woke up this morning. I

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told Nat, I just feel sad, just sad and angry

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and all those other things. So I had some friends

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and again, I can't believe. I'm it's not a big

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deal to you, but it's kind of a deal to me.

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And so they're like, here and they gave me a

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gummy and they're like, if you cannot sleep through the night,

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take that. I was like no, They're like, seriously, just

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take that now. I don't even think this is legal.

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But don't you have to have a license or something

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like that. They're like, here, take what I mean, it's

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no big deal. But I know I sound like a lamer,

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but I'm fifty six something years old. I've never been

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drunk in my life. I really don't drink. I've never

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been high, never done drugs of any kind. And I

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kind of don't want to break the streak. That's stupid. Like,

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if you can't sleep, then help yourself sleep. What are

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you waiting for? You don't want to be at the

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end of your life and say, you didn't do the gummies? Yeah,

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I mean, are there some things that you want to

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try before you leave the world. Yeah, But I don't

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want to break the streak. So I was looking at

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it last night. I was all wrapped up. It was

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sitting on the night stand, like, well, do I take it?

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I don't know if I want to take it. If

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you're not sure, you shouldn't take it. But come on,

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take it, Jesus Christ, come on. It's not cocaine. It's

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a gummy and you need the rest now. But if

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you take it, you'll have broken the streak. Fifty six

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and a half years. I slept for about an hour

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and a half, woke up, got mad, went around the house,

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ate something that I wasn't hungry for, doom, scrolled, and

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finally got about two and a half hours before the

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morning came. And then I just woke up sad and no,

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weird thing that I'm like, well, I'm sitting on the

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night stand right now, and what's what good is the

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streak do? I just like being able to say that

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I've never done anything like that. I'm not getting drunk

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half a gummy. I don't know. I don't speak gummy.

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I don't speak gummy. I don't know what I'm doing,

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but I do feel like I could use an assist

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when it comes to trying to deal with what's going

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on all around me. And here's the next thing I'm

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going to admit to you. I think I talked about

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this with the cognitive dissonance guys, and they were it

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was a Tom who was speaking about how you think

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and how you feel, and how they are often in

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conflict with each other. And when you're feeling something you

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know is irrational and even harmful, but you would never

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act on that feeling. It's that dark part of your

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heart that you often preserve and sometimes you don't even

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tell people about. So it's weird that I'm telling you

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about it because there may be somebody who quote minds

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me or thinks the worst of me, or calls me

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a hypocrites. But I just don't give a shit. I'll

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tell you because I suspect you may feel the same way.

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Have you ever been in traffic and you're doing it right,

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a little hot rod in in front of you, and

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they act like they own the road, endangering everybody around you.

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the window, just being a jerk, reckless. You ever fantasize

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about just taking your car and just just right into

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their back quarter panel, or you just right off the

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shoulder into the river or into the trees. You don't

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want to kill them, but you want them to pay.

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Take that sweet little ride that you're so proud of,

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and you want everybody on the highway in all three

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or four lanes to notice. And I want you to

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have it totaled. I want you to pay for the

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endangering that you are doing, for thinking that you are

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the only driver on the road potentially endangering you know me,

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my passenger's children, peep a school bus, I don't care

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what it is. And you, in that emotional part of

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your brain, you fantasize about just right into the guardrail

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and fuck that sports car up. Oh, I'm sorry, you're

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going to need a toe drug. Oh you're going to

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have a hard time getting another ride. That's terrible. Bye bye.

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In my heart, my emotional self, the ration. I'ms a

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rational self the uncivilized? Would that be the ID? Would

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that qualify as ID? Don't tell me you haven't thought

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this way. I know you have. I used to have

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a boss. It was my first radio job ever and

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I hadn't started the gig yet. It was my first

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radio job. I was going to be a radio disc

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jockey for a Christian station and I was just a kid.

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I was so excited. And I remember the manager called

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about something and I sat on the phone. I said,

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by the way, you know, I learned in school how

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to do commercials. I learned how to do production. We

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call it production when you make commercials. And I was

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just a young, eager, enthusiastic person who was desperate to

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try to just to help to be a radio guy.

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yelled at me and he said that production room is

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for this, this, this, and this, and you have no

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business in there, and I don't ever want to see

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you in there, do you hear me? I mean he

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just dressed me down on the phone and I went

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sheet wide, I'm sure, and I felt totally humiliated, and

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I said, yes, sir, Yes, yes, sir, and I hung

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up the phone, and it stuck with me. I've never

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forgotten it. And that began a long run of verbally

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abusive behavior toward everybody that worked for him. I hate

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to say this, but he suffered from and I think

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this is a thing he suffered from little man syndrome.

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were some people who they don't determine their strength and

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character by stature, right, and then there are some like

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this man, I think, who spent their entire life compensating

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for their self consciousness about the fact that they weren't

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six foot three. And this guy compensated by not raising

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himself up, elevating himself in terms of who he was

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as a human being, but by tearing the hell out

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of everybody around him. And he did. Every time he

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came in. You could feel the temperature drop. We dreaded him.

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Is he in the building? Is he in the building?

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When's he supposed to go home? Does anybody know? Oh

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my god, it's a religious radio station, right. Everybody else

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was wonderful, but this guy, he was just awful, awful

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to people, and he would dress me down. Here's something

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I don't know why, I'm telling you all this. Maybe

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it's just because I haven't slept and I don't give

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a shit. So we had a radio console in the

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main control room, right you had your soundboard at the time,

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there were these cart decks where you played commercials and

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then CD players, and they were all on this desk.

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it was built for a seated announcer. It was built low,

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way down low, and down here near the bottom, that's

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where they kept the actual albums. And yes, we still

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played a few albums at the time, actual vinyl records.

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chair had scuffed the wood on this day, ask the

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boss decided from now on you can only stand. You

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were not allowed to sit when you do your radio show.

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I'm six foot one and my first shifts were twelve

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hours long, and so what we were then required to

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do was you would sit in a chair in another

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part of the studio and then you would have to

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get up, organize yourself, do your you know, your little thing,

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you know, and announce the song and the time and

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the weather and do whatever you're supposed to do, and

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try to organize that, and then when you were done,

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you went back to the other part of the room

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and you had to sit down. And when you're working

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six pm to six a m. I mean, come on.

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a chair up and I sat down right there. It

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was just like, oh God, microphone was right here, the

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card deck and the CD players, everything was where. This

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was how the thing was built. It's how it was designed.

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And I didn't hear him come into the building. He

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turns that corner and my heart sank down to my feet,

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and I thought, oh, what are you doing. I'm sorry, sir,

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it was such a long shift. I hope it's okay.

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I just for a few thought i'd pull I wanted

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to pull a chair up. And he looked at me

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and he said, well, you can go work for somebody

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else if you want. I mean, he just then he

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just dressed me down. It was just horrible. And every

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day was that way, and when he was not around,

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I would fantasize about something horrible happening to that guy.

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I didn't really want it to happen here, but here

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in the id or the uncivilized part, I thought, I

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wouldn't it be nice to say, not only will you

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never speak to me this way again, but you'll never

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speak to my coworkers, You'll never speak to your family,

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you will never speak to strangers, you will never speak

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in this way to anybody again. And then you take

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a baseball bat in your cracks fucking skull open.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: It's this totally uncivilized, this total primitive thing.

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Speaker 4: That you do.

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Speaker 2: You just think to say everything you've ever wanted to say,

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and then just just end him, you know, because you

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were just stripped raw, you were just humiliated. And I've

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had some of those feelings post election. Not about violence,

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but my brain and my heart are having an argument.

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And I'm fully aware that I'm being in some ways irrational.

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And here's what I mean by that. Seventy two million

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people just voted to enable a sociopath too essentially set

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fire to American democracy. I can't even imagine what the

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next several years are going to look like. I can't

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process it. Have I can barely log onto the world.

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There are a few people that I know who are associates,

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friends on my tennis team, etc. Who have called about

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something else. I let the phone ring, I cannot. I

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cannot speak to them. I'm so angry because even though

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I know in this this area over here of their lives,

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they are genuinely good people, but they have the Trump

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box somewhere inside their skull, and for whatever rationalization they made,

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they checked that box on the ballot, and they are

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one of those seventy two million reasons that a sociopath,

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predator con manchild is going to essentially wreck us. I

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can't even talk to him. I'm supposed to release his

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speech that I've been giving, and I still hold to

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this about how we change minds in this world. We

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have to engage those even awful people sometimes to try

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to realize that people who perpetuate bad ideas are often

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victims of bad ideas, and I was one of those people.

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That's still true. I'm not sure I can release the

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speech because it feels tone deaf against the absolute heartbreak

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that I feel right now. How can I release a

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presentation that rightfully says that we have to use things

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like street epistemology and the Socratic method, and we have

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to try to get into the why. And yes, good

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people can do not good things. Some people can enable

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bad things because they're deluded or brainwash. You know, beyond

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the bigots, beyond the haters, beyond the ones that fit

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the caricature, I mean everybody else. You know, the people

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who have rationalized that Trump is somehow God's man. The

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Lord sometimes uses flawed people to deliver the kingdom unto us.

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They believe it is a righteous cause. So they're operating

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supposedly for the noblest of reasons. I don't want to talk.

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I just can't pick up the phone. As a family

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event earlier this week, celebrating somebody's birthday, I stayed home.

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I had nothing else to do. I had no excuse.

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I had no reason to go or not go. Rather,

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I just who wants to sit at the table and

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feel that sort of We were at dinner last night.

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Somebody walked in with a T shirt on and it

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just said Trump won. And he's exactly the kind of

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dude you would picture, exactly the kind of guy that

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would wear a Trump one T shirt. I would wager

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if I could sit him down for three minutes and

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quiz him about the founding Fathers, the United States Constitution,

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the Pledge of Allegiance, God on the coins, God on

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the money, the rest of the world. He wouldn't know

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a goddamn thing about it. He would be historically, constitutionally

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culturally illiterate, and tens of millions of people just like

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him are the reason that in the coming years we

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may lose the Department of Education. People like RFK Junior,

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a wacky conspiracy theorist, may dismantle the FDA. Ryan Walters,

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the superintendent of public instruction in my own state, has

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been running for office all of the crazy headline grabbing

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shit that he has been doing for the past several years.

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He's been waving his arms in the air so that

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Trump will notice him. And now that Trump is elected,

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Ryan Walter's once a high high position in the Trump administration,

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and he very well may get it. He's terrifying. He's

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the one who's been jamming the Ten Commandments into public

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school classrooms, which spurred Oklahoma Supreme Court ruling. He's the

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one who mandated Bibles be in every classroom and that

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the Bible be taught. And I don't mean comparative religions.

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I mean taught like truth, science and history. I think

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of the poor people in Ukraine. If Trump abandons Zelenski

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and our allies in Ukraine, Pudin just essentially just skates

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right in. He leaves NATO, we begin acting, you knowilaterally,

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because we just don't give a shit about the rest

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of the world. We're so myopic America, America, America, not

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realizing that what we are and what we do affects everybody.

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I worry about the white supremacists who think that Trump

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is one of them, and I think he is too.

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Who was the politician or the pundit somebody on television said,

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even if Donald Trump isn't a racist, the racists think

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he's a racist. That's the kind of person he is.

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And so then I go to that dark part of

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my heart and I think, Okay, if you check that

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box for Trump, if you voted for this, if this

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is what you want, this is really what you want,

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then I hope it crashes down on you in the

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worst possible way. Oh fine, to put an anti vax

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crank in charge of public safety, Okay, fine, fine, And

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when the measles or whatever comes for you, right whenever

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some horrible virus, a vaccine preventable virus, or a sickness

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that science would be needed to intervene on, when it

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comes for you or someone you love, and it's not there.

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It'll be a consequence of the vote that you cast.

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You did it to yourself. And then I switch because

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I'm like, well, that's not fair to their children, who

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didn't have a say in the matter. I don't want

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to see suffering in the world. But then I switch

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again and say, but I sure do want to see consequences.

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I want to see action and reaction. Fine, you want

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to say, we're going to do whatever RFKG Junior wants

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to do, remove fluoride and use ivermectin for COVID or

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whatever else he is doing. You want to do that. Fine,

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you want to do that. If you want to see

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what that kind of world looks like and you end

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up in the intensive care unit, I'm probably not going

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to be holding a vigil outside the door. That's how

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I feel. You want to give a temperamental, vengeful man

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child access to the United States military, potentially engaging US

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and who knows what, turning the National Guard or worse

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against United States citizens who dared to disagree. All right, fine,

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you want to see what that's like. Sooner or later,

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that's going to come for you. You're going to think something

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or say something that there's going to be a point

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of perhaps disconnect, and then that militarized nation that's supposed

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to protect you within its borders will come for you.

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Are someone you care about, and you're going to see right,

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you're going to fuck around and find out. I kind

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of want that. I want these people who are going

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to thumb their nose at climate scientists, I want them

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to experience in my emotional heart right, not in my

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logical brain, in my emotional heart, in my primal part,

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I want the hurricane to fuck up their stuff. I

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want to see the fine. You want to see the

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consequences of not taking care, not being a steward of

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the world on which we live, and it comes back

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to bite you in the ass. It's not karma, that's action, reaction,

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cause effect, and you pretty much had it coming. I

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want the people who have enabled what is about to

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happen to feel consequences for what is going to happen.

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I don't want them to remain in the privileged class

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where they wanted the public school system turned into a

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Christian church and then they got it yay them, or

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where they're a white heterostack, actual Christian family, so the

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whole game works in their favor. All the rules advantage them.

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I don't want that. I don't want them to sit

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back smugly and say, oh, good for us, we got

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a seat at the head of the table. Let's dole

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out the scraps. Do everybody else. I want to see

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somehow what's about to happen flip. I want to see

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some chaos, and I want to see them receiving the scraps,

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going how the hell did this happen? And already in

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the chat I can see someone's like, you know, Seth's

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just butt hurt because he lost, and these people aren't

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hearing me. I'm amazed and struck and a little bit

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amused because once Trump won so decisively, I had some

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people who were I think they're atheist or whatever. They

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gleefully came onto my social media pages just a gloat.

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That's what you get, you lefties, you libs. You thought

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you had the temperature put was going on, and now

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you fucked around and found out. How does it feel,

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mister woke? I thought about trying to explain how just

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because something is popular it doesn't make it right, but

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then I realized I would be wasting my time and

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energy on someone who just came to gloat. Oh, the

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majority decided doesn't make it right. Doesn't make it right.

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It doesn't make the assault on democracy right. It doesn't

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make stacking further stacking the Supreme Court right. It doesn't

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mean waging war on scientists right. It doesn't mean endangering children.

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It doesn't mean any of that stuff is right. It

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just means it's popular. And the fact that it's popular

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actually exposes one of the problems. One of the deeper

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root problems, is that we are as a nation spoiled, rotten,

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and pretty much functionally illiterate. I know somebody right now,

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master's degree in college, works in the medical field, thinks

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the earth is flat. Refused to get the COVID vaccine

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because it was all a big conspiracy in the vaccine.

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And she got COVID. And you know what she did

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when she got COVID. She went to the fucking movies.

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She went to the movie theater, a closed space, surrounded

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by other people, knowing she had COVID. Nineteen big into homeopathy.

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I don't want that regular western medicine, that evil pharmaceutical medicine.

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I want an unregulated debunked pseudo scientific remedy, master's degree

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in college works in the medical field. Voted for Trump.

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I don't think I could sit at the table with

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her right now. I just don't think I could stomach it.

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Do you feel that. I don't mean to go on

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and on? You know, the war on science has consequences,

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disinformation campaigns from within and without, and yes I'm including

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interference by Russia. They love the chaos, but I mean

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the wellness industry, the conspiracy theorists, which are going after

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everything from the moon landing to everything. I mean, they

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are essentially priming a culture to believe the craziest, most

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whack a doodle shit. And then those people go out

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and they're not we don't live in a shared reality. Well,

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if they aren't living in our shared reality, if they're

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off in gumby Land, And then they start to make

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decisions decisions about how they act and react, whether or

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not they sit next to me in a movie theater

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while they have COVID nineteen and dangering me and everybody

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else into the city, whether or not they're going to

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indoctrinate their kids with anti vax nonsense and then potentially

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harm them sending them off to school where diseases exist.

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They're going to jam mythology. You're going to teach Noah's

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Ark as historical fact in public school history classes. I

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said in a video that I sometimes I fantasize that

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what if we were to partition the country into two halves,

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and our half could celebrate the science, root ourselves on

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solid ground, see ourselves as not just a country of individuals,

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but a community of shared humanity. We'd be good stewards

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of the planet. We would vaccinate our children. We would

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embrace and teach the wonders of the science of evolution.

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We would reject the idea of the billionaire, the money hoarder,

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the oligarch, who could buy an entire social media platform

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and sing handedly weaponize it against the rest of us.

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We wouldn't allow that to happen. Who was it who said,

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you know, all right, fine, if you hit nine hundred

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ninety nine million, nine hundred ninety nine thousand, nine hundred

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ninety nine dollars, we give you a plaque that says congratulations,

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you won capitalism. We name a dog park after you,

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and then we take all of the extra money and

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we use it to feed the poor, and fund cancer

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research and build homes for the homeless, and develop a

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better society. Jesus Christ, how many thousands of millions of

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dollars does one person need? The society that I would

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like to live in would never allow for that, because

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that society would be broken. Trickle down was always a myth.

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I would like to see people who are acting in

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anti social ways, who are the agents of harm, to realize,

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even if at this moment they don't get it right,

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it'll be like, don't touch the stove. Who was that comedian?

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It was Chris Porter. He had this joke with his

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kid and he was like, don't touch the stove, don't

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touch the stove, don't touch the stove, and the kid

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wouldn't listen. And then finally he's like, you know what,

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fucking lick it right now. You can't taste anything because

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you're stupid. There would be a consequence, action, reaction. Only

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when the people feel some kind of pain. Will they

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change some of these people only whenever there are consequences

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to what they do. I'm not talking about like us

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acting in illegal ways, not talking about civil war, I'm

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not talking about violence too. I'm talking about something that

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happens as a direct result of what they voted for,

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and it sort of splashes back on them, right, So

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they help to concoct the poison, and then all of

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a sudden, the barrel of poison explodes and they get

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splashed with it, and they're like, oh shit, what have

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we done? That kind of thing, And that's the emotional

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side of me, and I've really been navigating that. Callers

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are next, and I've got plenty of them. Hang on,

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Thank you so much for listening. This is idiocracy. It

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is also therapy. As we go to the phones, David

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out of the UK, are you there? Okay?

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Speaker 5: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 2: I can.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if I'm being irrational or overly anxious

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some from the United Kingdom, but I'm terrified Trump pulls

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out of NATO and Russia seeks revenge on the United

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Kingdom and that our country might be finished because we're

472
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not in a position to fight Russia want to learn.

473
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Speaker 2: I think that's a very legitimate concern.

474
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Speaker 5: I'm like, should I be making plans to flee to

475
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another country? I mean, I'm someone who makes close to

476
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minimum wage?

477
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Speaker 2: Not why?

478
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 5: And I can top up my money from online poker.

479
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,920
I know you wouldn't want to encourage gambling. I'm not

480
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claiming to be a genius in either category. I'm working

481
00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:23,079
my way for a statistics degree and I'm not claiming

482
00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:25,039
to be a statistics genius. But I can say I

483
00:31:25,039 --> 00:31:29,000
have verified my results to I am profitable online poker,

484
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,079
And I'm like, should I just be doing everything I

485
00:31:31,079 --> 00:31:32,880
can to get my money together to just flee this

486
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country before it's too late? Is that irrational?

487
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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's irrational or not. I don't

488
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know if I'm being irrational. Whenever I think where in

489
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the world would I like to live? I told somebody

490
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the first time Trump won, I went into battle mode.

491
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This time, I feel like I'm going to I'm going

492
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to continue to battle. But again, in my emotional side,

493
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I feel like I'm going to have to find a

494
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chair and essentially bear witness to the end of democracy

495
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,319
in the West. You know, so I fantasized about leaving

496
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as well. So all I know is that I feel

497
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what you're feeling, and I'm afraid as well. Sir.

498
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Speaker 5: It's just terrifying, Like there was a period of my

499
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life where I'm embarrassed to say the first time Trump

500
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:22,200
was running, I was a pro Trumper, and I know.

501
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Speaker 6: What caused it.

502
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Speaker 5: I know what pushed me to be pro Trump, and

503
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I kind of go a responsibility to put out there

504
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what it is to cause me to be pro Trump.

505
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Speaker 2: And there's a number of things.

506
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Speaker 5: First of all, there's been a lot of lies about

507
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Trump said. And I'm not saying he's a good person

508
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:43,200
because he isn't, and I've got a lot of criticisms

509
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,279
for him. But the media manipulate and lie about Trump

510
00:32:47,319 --> 00:32:50,119
a lot, and that makes Trump look like the guy

511
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who's telling the truth. And I know Trump tells a

512
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:55,920
lot more hies on his side than what the media

513
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tell about him, but it's not helping our cause when

514
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people lie like that.

515
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Speaker 2: My friend, all I know is I'm terrified. I'm going

516
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to keep fighting. But my optimism, the optimism I had

517
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not long ago, I don't feel it. I literally think

518
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I mentioned Gore Vidal and how he had talked about

519
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:20,839
witnessing the decline of Western civilization. I don't think it's hyperbole.

520
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:23,960
I think we may be the democraty, the American experiment

521
00:33:24,039 --> 00:33:27,240
may be imploding in on itself, and we will be

522
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a nation that died of stupidity and cruelty. Those would

523
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be the two main ingredients.

524
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Speaker 5: I think that I've been fearing for climate change and

525
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what's going to do to our planet and whether our

526
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species is going to continue to exist. And when I

527
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look at the science and by no means qualified scientists,

528
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,799
but just looking at the history of our planet and

529
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:48,759
making a guess, which is you have lacked so much

530
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:51,799
information on I think it looks like intelligent life is

531
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:55,200
so incredibly rare in this universe. But then just how

532
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:58,119
large the universe is, there has to be other cases

533
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:00,519
of it, and anything for how long the universe is

534
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:04,279
going to exist after this and anything we're so utterly

535
00:34:04,319 --> 00:34:09,239
insignificant does it really matter? And then I'm just reminded

536
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,519
of this thing that I saw from a film, but

537
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I don't know what film it is, but as there's

538
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,119
character who's meant to be like this religious icon in

539
00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,280
the film, and he tells the parable of there's this

540
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,400
girl walking along the beach and she sees a load

541
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of fish on the beach, all being washed up and

542
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,960
all dying, and this little girl is picking up the

543
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fish and throwing them back into the ocean one by one,

544
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and the guy says to this little girl, what are

545
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,239
you doing. You can't save them all. You can't make

546
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a difference, And then the girls comes back round back

547
00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:42,079
to them, says yes, but to that individual fish, it

548
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:44,960
makes all the difference in the world. And I'm thinking,

549
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,039
as bleak as things are and as dark as things are,

550
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we can still make us tiny difference, however insignificant, to

551
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,760
try to at least meet things better for the few

552
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people we can.

553
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Speaker 2: Does I don't know, does that so stupid? It does

554
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:04,280
not at all. You know, it sounds like a little

555
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,400
bit of a cliche, but it's like, we can't change

556
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,760
the world, but you can't change the world for one person.

557
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And the fact that it's a cliche doesn't mean that

558
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it's not true. And I think that's that's something I'm

559
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,519
glad you left us with that thought before we finish

560
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:20,679
the call, David. All I know is that we'll be

561
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watching what happens and trying to react as best we can.

562
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In the meantime, be safe over there, okay, Yeah.

563
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Speaker 5: My plan is just to try to do what I

564
00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:30,119
can to get as much money together as I can

565
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and as soon as if it happens, I hope it doesn't.

566
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But as soon as I see America pulling out of NATO,

567
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,599
just plead his country. I don't know where to but

568
00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:42,039
the Russian babble secret venture in UK have America to

569
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protect it.

570
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Speaker 2: All right? Well, thanks David, thanks for calling, Thanks for

571
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your input. Yeah, we'll see. Yeah, you bet. I've had

572
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:55,480
this thought, and it's a naive one, I'm sure, But

573
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:02,159
when the tyrants go crazy Putin whatever, what would cause

574
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:06,440
everybody around that tyrant to not shut it down? Like

575
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if you know, we know that so many of the

576
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,719
Russian people think that the Ukraine war is just bullshit

577
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:14,840
and they don't support it and they don't want it,

578
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,119
and you know, there have to be some people in

579
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,280
Putin's government who feel the same, this is bullshit, we

580
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:24,559
don't want it. This is one guy's you know whatever.

581
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:30,960
What would keep those people from removing the tyrant at

582
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,679
the top of the pyramid? Is it the power that

583
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is bestowed? Are they afraid for their lives because the

584
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,199
dictator has that much power? And I think to myself,

585
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,480
at what point, where's the critical mass point where people

586
00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:47,920
say this is crazy and we've had enough and you're gone.

587
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I realize it sounds rather childlike, when why don't the

588
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:53,320
people around the tyrant do something about the tyrant?

589
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Speaker 4: Like?

590
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Speaker 2: I understand, but I do have that thought. Maybe you've

591
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got a thought on it. Four zero five, it's Sam, welcome,

592
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:02,679
what's on your mind.

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Speaker 7: I remember it was almost twenty years ago that I

594
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actually graduated high school here in Oklahoma, and we were

595
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,039
ranked pretty high in education as I remember.

596
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't know what we were ranked

597
00:37:15,679 --> 00:37:19,400
two decades ago, but education in Oklahoma, I think we're

598
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,440
in the forty eight. We're either forty eight or forty nine.

599
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,320
I think it depends on if you incorporate college. But

600
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,000
I think if you take college out of it, if

601
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,119
it's elementary in high school, I think we are just

602
00:37:30,199 --> 00:37:35,159
above Mississippi in terms of education ranking. So yeah, that's

603
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:37,039
our one of our claims to fame. I think we

604
00:37:37,079 --> 00:37:40,119
are down near forty nine. So yeah, I understand your frustration.

605
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Speaker 7: Basically, it's becomes such a shit show in education in

606
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:50,000
Oklahoma alone, let alone every other far red state. That

607
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,880
not does sound crass or anything, but it's a good thing.

608
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I don't have any kids.

609
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Speaker 2: No, I don't think that's crass. I think a lot

610
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,559
of people would be afraid to bring children up in

611
00:38:01,639 --> 00:38:04,320
a place where their rights would be fewer tomorrow than

612
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,360
they would be today. I don't think that's crass. I

613
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:07,440
think it's understandable.

614
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Speaker 7: Now. I could try and move, but I don't have

615
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:14,559
any real resources to find a new job or get

616
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:18,480
any kind of loan to go somewhere else because I

617
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,239
have nothing set up anywhere else. Everything I have is here,

618
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:26,519
And honestly, I've just been in a really almost numb

619
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:31,159
state because I'm stuck here. Other people are going to

620
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:35,000
be stuck here. I just need to help somebody, and

621
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:39,280
because it's going to get worse, I got someone to

622
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,320
help me figure out how I'm going to do this.

623
00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:43,880
But I'm going to go help some kids that are

624
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,719
trans are clear despite myself being you know, a cis

625
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:50,679
white man, they need all the help they can get.

626
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 8: Now.

627
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,119
Speaker 2: Well, I think advocacy is the point, right, I mean,

628
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:58,679
I don't think only LGBT people can stand with LGBT people.

629
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,119
I don't think you have to put an ass to

630
00:39:00,199 --> 00:39:03,039
risk there. And I think that's good medicine. I think

631
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:05,840
that's you know, we're back to you can't change the world,

632
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,280
but you can change the world for one person. Two people,

633
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,039
five people, So I think, you know, we start where

634
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:13,239
we are. I don't know really much of what else

635
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,360
to do. I think we make. I'll definitely be making

636
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,800
some grand gestures. But I'll also I think once my

637
00:39:19,039 --> 00:39:23,480
resentment begins to, if it does subside, begin to try

638
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:25,440
to do more work here one on one, two on

639
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,679
two on the ground. So I think that's good stuff.

640
00:39:28,039 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 6: Sam.

641
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: I got to move on, my friend. But it's nice

642
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,519
to talk to a fellow Oklahoma. And you'd be safe

643
00:39:32,519 --> 00:39:34,960
over there. Okay, yeah, you too. All right, We'll see

644
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,719
you later. Take care. Thank you, by the way for

645
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:44,199
the super chats paid superchat donations on the YouTube stream.

646
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,519
Not to get too far into the weeds, but as

647
00:39:46,519 --> 00:39:49,840
a producer, I use a company for music licensing and

648
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,480
I've had them for fifteen years and they are the

649
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:54,599
reason that I'm able to have the show intro music,

650
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:56,559
and then I may able to use all the sort

651
00:39:56,559 --> 00:40:00,199
of next level production music for pieces like something to

652
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,920
Full and the Pale Blue Dot and the Story of You,

653
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,719
and the background music for a lot of the sit

654
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down interviews that I've got. Producers pay for that why

655
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,320
you pay for the right to use it, and the

656
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,400
company that I use is it's just the best one

657
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:18,440
that I've ever found, and that's why I've stuck with

658
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:22,519
them for so long. And the contract was up for

659
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:27,840
renewal and there was an increase, and so at this moment,

660
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,199
I'm at this precipice where I'm like, all right, and

661
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,760
I'm still grandfathered in at a pretty good rate, But

662
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,320
I'm like, do I let it expire and then go

663
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,159
to and there are other resources. There's like Adobe Audio,

664
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:42,400
and there's is stock Audio and pond Vive Audio, and

665
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then there are some independence and I've had people who

666
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,719
are musicians say, let me provide the music, trust me.

667
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:50,840
It doesn't work that way. So I'm at this moment

668
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,239
where I'm like, Jesus, do I We're talking about in

669
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the thousands of dollars. Do I bite the bullet even

670
00:40:57,519 --> 00:40:59,880
though I really can't afford it, so I don't lose

671
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it because if I let it lapse, then I may

672
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:03,440
have to come back in a year and then it's

673
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,079
double the money. Do I renew and find a way

674
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:09,400
to pay for it or do I roll the dice?

675
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And then it may affect how much music I'm able

676
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,519
to use for things like ghost stories, you know, the

677
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:17,719
annual podcast and all of the other things. I'd have

678
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,800
to change the intro music to the show and the aftro.

679
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:21,239
I'd have to do a bunch of different I'd have

680
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,440
to essentially refit the channel. Anyway, super Jets, thank you.

681
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I mean, I'm not proud. You know, I've been doing

682
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this for fifteen years, and I'm thankful for the resources

683
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I have, and i feel like I've got a leg

684
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,159
up in it, right. I know, I know how to

685
00:41:37,159 --> 00:41:41,400
produce things. I'm a flawed producer, but I'm pretty I

686
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,000
think you have to know what you're pretty good at.

687
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:45,559
I'm pretty good at production, and I want to make

688
00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:49,840
sure that the quality of this channel remains Otherwise, why

689
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,400
bother because there's a shit ton of other resources. When

690
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,400
I first started, there weren't very many of us, and

691
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,199
now we have so many great channels out there and

692
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,679
so many people. A lot of them are younger people

693
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,559
at there coming up, you know, these new generation of

694
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:06,440
producers and debaters and hosts and whatnot. And I'm not

695
00:42:06,519 --> 00:42:08,960
threatened by that. I think it's freaking amazing. I high

696
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,079
five them. I think wonderful. But I'd like to still

697
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:14,519
keep doing what I do as long as it serves you,

698
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:17,960
and having the best quality of resources helps me to

699
00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:21,039
serve you. So anyway, there's also a donation link if

700
00:42:21,039 --> 00:42:24,199
you're not on YouTube, that link to donate in the

701
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description box two one zero. I don't see a name

702
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:30,280
given high. What is your name?

703
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Speaker 9: It's Clay Clays.

704
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Speaker 2: What's going on, Clay?

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Speaker 9: I just want to say that, you know, I think

706
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a fatal flaw we may is we talked to all

707
00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:45,960
these people who they're not Trumpers. They just think everything sucks,

708
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,480
you know, so we talk to them like they're stupid.

709
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:51,639
But what we need to do is we need to

710
00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:55,599
talk to them like we're stupid, because they're like, hey,

711
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:58,320
the price of eggs is super high, and you know,

712
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,320
these people are born on the show, so it's their fault.

713
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:04,199
And what do we do We counter it with what, Well,

714
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,360
here's a fifteen hundred word essay on why eggs cost

715
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,519
so much, and let's go into the supply chain and

716
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:13,800
the monopolies and all this. Instead, what we need to

717
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,639
say is, you know, we're going after Walmart because they're

718
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,920
fucking us over. You know, that's the message itsels, But

719
00:43:22,039 --> 00:43:24,639
on a more cathartic note, I just want to say

720
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,679
that yesterday. My daughter is fourteen years old, and she

721
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,079
kind of snapped at me and my wife a couple

722
00:43:32,039 --> 00:43:34,440
of times yesterday, which she's fourteen. They do that, but

723
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,800
it was in a way that was kind of unusual.

724
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:40,400
And then I went into a room and I was like, hey,

725
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:41,920
you know what, you can't talk to us like that.

726
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:43,960
What's going on? And she's like, yeah, whatever, you know,

727
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,920
it's super passive aggressive, and she's like, Okay, it doesn't

728
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,360
fucking matter. Okay, I'm a girl, this is Texas. I'm

729
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:53,639
absolutely screwed. I have no future and just the whole

730
00:43:53,639 --> 00:43:56,840
world is going to fall apart, and you know what,

731
00:43:57,599 --> 00:43:59,960
in that moment, I'm like, my my fort and all

732
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:04,320
her girlfriends are just as freaked out, and I can't

733
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,320
believe we're living in America and this is happening, and

734
00:44:07,639 --> 00:44:10,039
I'm I'm not gonna lie. I cried with her too,

735
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:14,480
not hard, but I definitely cried, and I just, you know,

736
00:44:14,559 --> 00:44:17,559
told her like it's going to be okay. I don't

737
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:19,199
know that I believe that, but I also told her

738
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,880
I was scared, and because I am scared, and I

739
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,880
think she's old enough to deserve to know that but

740
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:28,079
at the same time, know that she's fourteen. There's literally

741
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:30,840
nothing she can do about it. But four years from

742
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,840
now she can vote. I do think there'll be elections

743
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,760
four years from now. I think it's our last chance

744
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,280
to really win. But on a positive note, not positive,

745
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,880
not even hopeful, just not doomor I believe what Trump

746
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,000
is ushering in is the fourth right. But because of

747
00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:51,719
these already been in power once, we're not Germany nineteen

748
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,639
thirty three. We are Germany nineteen thirty eight, and we're

749
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,719
closing in on the expected lifespan of a fashion government.

750
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,199
So when shit really goes to shit, like it's going to,

751
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:08,280
I think my next Christmas, there's only going to be

752
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,519
one side to blame, and there are good people who

753
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:14,719
really just care that eggs were expensive.

754
00:45:15,559 --> 00:45:16,599
Speaker 3: I think that's all I got.

755
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 2: Well, you said a lot of relevant stuff, and I

756
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,840
think a lot of people feel what you're feeling. Go

757
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:26,159
hug your baby girl and tell her that we got

758
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:28,000
her back out there. Okay, thank you sir.

759
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:31,079
Speaker 9: All Right, I definitely do that, and everybody, I just

760
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:32,119
hope we get through it.

761
00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 2: All right, We'll keep on keeping on. Thanks for calling.

762
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,960
Appreciate it. You see that Lincoln Project commercial like you

763
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:39,400
know what I think. I played it on the show

764
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,400
If You earlier this year where the cop pulls over

765
00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:47,239
the father and the daughter. The daughter had gotten pregnant

766
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,840
or something, and so they were driving across state line

767
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,679
so that she could have the pregnancy terminated and it

768
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,280
was like four weeks or whatever. And because it was

769
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,119
this sort of post Trump era where the Project twenty

770
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:04,840
twenty five stuff is kicked in and the Puritans have

771
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,440
taken over and the evangelicals are running wild, there is

772
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,679
a database and so the cop is able to say, hey,

773
00:46:12,039 --> 00:46:14,480
I see that you are this far along in your pregnancy,

774
00:46:14,519 --> 00:46:16,360
and that your home is here, and that you're driving

775
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,119
across state lines and that you have been, you know,

776
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:24,239
messaging about this and about that. And at first I thought, well,

777
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,360
it's it feels like hyperbole, and then I thought, nope, no,

778
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:33,199
it feels like if you had told me what was

779
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:37,000
going to happen in twenty sixteen, between twenty sixteen and

780
00:46:37,039 --> 00:46:41,559
twenty twenty, I wouldn't have believed you monumentally naive. I mean,

781
00:46:41,559 --> 00:46:45,760
I was thought, now, it's crazy, it's crazy. And I've

782
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,440
gotten to the point now where I will probably believe

783
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:51,960
almost any horrible scenario that you tell me about. I mean, like,

784
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:57,440
anything's possible, Anything's possible. And then let's say that Donald Trump,

785
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:01,079
who is in what is he seventy eight guys, eats

786
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:03,000
fast food at every meal, He's one of the most

787
00:47:03,079 --> 00:47:05,760
unhealthy people. Let's say he grabs his heart and keels

788
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,760
over in the next sixteen months. Then we got Dvance,

789
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:13,639
who is much smoother, much sliquor, who has been primed

790
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:18,920
by the heritage folks, primed for gilliad, primed for the

791
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:25,719
institution of essentially a male dominated former democracy. And then

792
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,239
I think, well, no, actually, that my fears and that

793
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:33,280
Lincoln Project commercial, they're not fans, maybe they could actually happen.

794
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,480
Alex making a web call, Alex, are you there? Can

795
00:47:38,519 --> 00:47:38,880
you hear me?

796
00:47:39,679 --> 00:47:41,039
Speaker 10: Hello? Let me know if you can hear me.

797
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 2: I can. Indeed, Alex, Let's talk what's on your mind?

798
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,639
Speaker 10: So I think I kind of just wanted to give

799
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:48,880
some people a little bit of hope, I guess, or

800
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,880
at least like motivate them. So I think the most

801
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,239
common sentiment I'm hearing and I felt the same way

802
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,639
is like when Kamala and all these people kind of

803
00:48:01,639 --> 00:48:05,119
went out and they had very good intentions, their heart

804
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:07,280
was in the right place, and they genuinely thought that

805
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,880
she was going to win. And there was a lot

806
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,239
of people such as like Alan Lickman, who were suggesting

807
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,239
that his like thirteen keys thing was going to predict

808
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:17,400
that she was going to win. So, like, there was

809
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,559
a lot of people that So people were very shocked

810
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:24,679
when she didn't win. And I immediately started seeing people

811
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,960
that were just saying, like, I give up, I'm done,

812
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,760
I'm never voting again, things like that, Like it's very

813
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,360
very very common that I'm seeing and that is just

814
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,880
not the right way to go about it, because I understand,

815
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,079
like I felt the same way, But we have to

816
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,760
stand up and fight against it, because like, these are

817
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:48,480
people's rights that are being taken away. And you think

818
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:51,079
about it, it's like when people say things like I

819
00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:55,079
don't care anymore, you do care, because the reason that

820
00:48:55,119 --> 00:48:57,840
you're so upset, the reason that you're so sad and

821
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,920
you're having this such an emotional reaction, is because of care.

822
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,119
So I think that a lot of people need to

823
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:07,599
understand that take a break if you need to. I

824
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:11,079
know everybody's sick of hearing this guy. And I was

825
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,400
listening to you know, Tim Walls, and at the end

826
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,559
of his campaigns he kept saying like, isn't it going

827
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:17,079
to be nice? And we never have to see this

828
00:49:17,119 --> 00:49:20,199
guy ever again on TV, and like, so, yeah, people

829
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,079
are tired of of seeing this guy and we don't

830
00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:24,760
want to go to four years of him again. But

831
00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:29,000
I think that the difference between the right is that

832
00:49:29,199 --> 00:49:32,679
when they lose again, they did this insurrection thing, and

833
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,880
obviously that's a ridiculously terrible thing, but they didn't just say, oh,

834
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,920
let's just give up, let's give up, I'm going to

835
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,280
end my life, I'm moving out of the country and

836
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,760
all this. These people they banded together, they formed a

837
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,199
bunch of organizations, they funded into a bunch of things,

838
00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:49,360
and they went out and they tried to change things,

839
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,000
even if they were changing things in the wrong direction, obviously,

840
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:54,440
but that's what they did. So we need to do

841
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,480
something somewhere. We can't just give up. And it makes

842
00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:59,239
me really scared to see that all these really good people,

843
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:02,239
these people who do care about facts and not living

844
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,440
in an ultimate reality. They have such good intentions. They

845
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,960
care about democracy, they care about women's rights, they care

846
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,719
about human rights, they care about like Ukraine, and they're

847
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:12,320
just saying, oh, I'm just going to give up. I'm

848
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:14,719
going to leave the country. And you have to understand,

849
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,360
first of all, every other country has their own problems. Okay,

850
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:22,320
I'm from Canada. We have somebody named Pierre Polyeff. He

851
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,599
has similar policies to Trump. He's coming up, He's almost

852
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:28,760
guaranteed to win. France is going in a similar direction,

853
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:31,920
Germany's going in a similar direction. And also now that

854
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:35,320
Trump has won, it's like basically people have understood that

855
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:38,199
they can win with this whole denying reality and just

856
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:43,119
attacking migrants and attacking minorities and whatever. It's not going

857
00:50:43,159 --> 00:50:45,039
to go away. You can't just move to another country

858
00:50:45,039 --> 00:50:48,079
and just like bar your head. So you have to

859
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:50,960
have hope and you have to keep fighting. And so

860
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:53,599
I just want people to know that because everybody is

861
00:50:53,639 --> 00:50:55,719
just saying, oh, I just give up. I'm never voting again.

862
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:57,719
I don't know, what do you think about all that?

863
00:50:58,159 --> 00:51:02,559
Speaker 2: I think you are the best medicine I have heard.

864
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:06,880
I woke up this morning feelings. Did I admit it

865
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,920
as much in the monologue? Maybe I did? I feel

866
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,400
that way. I almost feel resigned. Resigned is the word like,

867
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,000
how much more can we do? How much more can

868
00:51:16,039 --> 00:51:17,880
we fight? How many more days can I wake up

869
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,840
and see this motherfucker on the front page of every website.

870
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,400
I'm so tired of hearing his name. And you are

871
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:29,400
a wonderful reminder that if we give up, people get

872
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,760
hurt even worse, and they need us now more than ever.

873
00:51:33,239 --> 00:51:35,400
I mean, I'd rather go down fighting than fold my

874
00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:39,280
arms and stop off and say as screw it, that's wisdom,

875
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,119
that's really good. Thank you for that.

876
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:44,400
Speaker 10: Could I say one more thing? Please do the other

877
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,880
thing that we need to realize? Yeah, And I mean

878
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,280
the reason I'm like this is because I'm I've been

879
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,000
kind of like a political entire life. Like I mean,

880
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,800
I always care with certain things, but I've kind of

881
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,760
like had the face that, Okay, well, there's these two

882
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,679
candidates that are running. But I know that they're going

883
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,760
to uphold human rights and I know that they're going

884
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,039
to like not throw us under the bust, and they're

885
00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:09,559
not gonna end democracy. Like maybe their policies aren't the best,

886
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,400
but I have trust that if either one wins, it's

887
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,960
gonna be fairly okay, Like think of like Mt. Romney

888
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:18,719
and stuff, like I mean Romney versus Obama, Like Mitt

889
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,760
Romney is not going to end the entire democracy, give

890
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,079
it over to Russia and like end all human rights.

891
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:27,639
But I think that now I'm just really motivating to

892
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:30,400
figure out why this happened. And if you look at

893
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,559
the I've kind of wondered for a long time, like

894
00:52:33,639 --> 00:52:36,400
why these people are like this and why they believe

895
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:38,679
like why they just believe Trump no matter what he says,

896
00:52:38,679 --> 00:52:42,320
and like they live in this alternate reality. It's really

897
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,239
it's a hard thing to try to figure out. But

898
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,760
I think that, like I'm trying to figure out myself,

899
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,639
But I think that it's a different upbringing. I think

900
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:52,639
people on your channel and things like that, we have

901
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:55,480
the understanding that we want evidence for something, right, like

902
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:57,199
if if you're gonna make a claim, we don't want

903
00:52:57,199 --> 00:53:00,039
to just believe your claim just because you repeat it

904
00:53:00,119 --> 00:53:03,760
without evidence. But these people are clearly different. They are

905
00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:07,079
fact resistant, they don't care about facts, and it's like

906
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,159
we have to figure out why that is. Like I

907
00:53:10,199 --> 00:53:12,400
was listening to Alan Lickman the other day, who's like

908
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,920
a professor illness, and he talked about the way that

909
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,719
Trump does it is he and Also, Mark Cuban said

910
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,639
this Trump basically operates out of fear. He knows he's

911
00:53:22,679 --> 00:53:27,480
a businessman. He's a brilliant salesman, so he can figure out,

912
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:30,639
what are you scared of? And how do I meet

913
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:34,079
you even more scared of that? And she knows how

914
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:36,880
to deliver that message. And then I don't feel like

915
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,599
the Democrats are doing that as well. And even though

916
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:45,559
Trump is lying and people are debunking him and things

917
00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:48,079
like that, it's like people are looking that up. There's

918
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:50,360
a thing on Reddit I just saw where they I

919
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:52,840
think they pulled the much of people who voted for him,

920
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,719
and they showed that inflation for example. They have this

921
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,719
feeling that the inflation is like super super super high,

922
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,239
but it's actually like very low, like over the last

923
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:04,000
year it's gone lower because it's like Biden and stuff.

924
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,599
But they're not living in that reality, and so they

925
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:08,760
have this perceptions Like why do they have that perception?

926
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,159
I think it's because Trump what he does, if he

927
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,199
like watch him, he just repeats things over and over

928
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,199
and over and over and over, and it's like I

929
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,280
think that if he repeats something over and over and

930
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,719
over and over, and it's what people fear and it's

931
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,079
what people want. They're just gonna believe it because it's

932
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:26,320
like he just keeps repeating and repeating and repeating it,

933
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,199
and people won't have the energy or the time to

934
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,440
go and like research and oh is this true. Let's

935
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,639
look into the economy and let's look into this and

936
00:54:35,679 --> 00:54:38,280
how does this work? And is the vaccines actually, let's

937
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,159
look into how virality works. Like people aren't gonna do that.

938
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,639
So I think that's part of the reason. And we

939
00:54:44,679 --> 00:54:46,239
can't just give up. And we need to look into

940
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:49,199
why do people believe this stuff? And I think we

941
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:51,679
need to like use it against them. I think we

942
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,599
just need to like figure out, Okay, this is a

943
00:54:53,639 --> 00:54:56,360
psychology of why these people are doing this. Let's just

944
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,039
use it against them and to get our message of house,

945
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:01,679
you know, like he's the same strategy, but for the truth.

946
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: Basically, Yeah, there's a lot of psychology about repetition and

947
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,639
how the repetition of ideas, whatever they are true or false,

948
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:13,360
actually embed in people's brains and then somehow what is

949
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,840
false becomes true. It is nuanced, it's complicated. Now you

950
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,639
got me wondering if I should go ahead and release

951
00:55:18,679 --> 00:55:21,360
my speech in a couple of weeks about why facts

952
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,320
don't change minds. I'll pray and fast on it and

953
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:28,400
seek the Lord and decide shortly. Alex, you speak wisdom

954
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:30,760
today and I had someone in the chat say that

955
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,679
you have a very calming voice. So you're a calming, centering,

956
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:38,760
zen like presence on the live stream today. So thanks

957
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:39,880
for your contribution.

958
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:42,280
Speaker 7: Hi, thanks healing, See you later.

959
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: I had somebody I saw a meme earlier and it

960
00:55:46,519 --> 00:55:51,239
said something like, don't forget to register today for your

961
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:56,960
emotional support Canadian. I thought that was awesome. Do you

962
00:55:57,079 --> 00:56:01,079
need an emotional support Canadian? I was like, hell, yeah,

963
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,719
I want that. I would like an emotional support Canadian.

964
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,599
Would you be if you're in Canada? Would you be?

965
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:16,039
My more calls, more conversation, more venting, more idiocracy after this,

966
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,119
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967
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971
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:44,559
slash Sith Andrews with my thanks, I've got wow. Indulge

972
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me as I see a call from my hometown. It's

973
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Mark at nine to one age Mark, Tulsa, Oklahoma.

974
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm stuck in northwest Arkansas for the last six years,

975
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,559
but I can't wait to get back to my pigeons.

976
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,039
We kind of ran in the same circles you were

977
00:56:59,119 --> 00:57:02,639
my KSOJ DJ growing up in No Way, I was

978
00:57:02,639 --> 00:57:05,280
in a band until you call that. Do you remember

979
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:06,599
Admiral playing the band.

980
00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:09,519
Speaker 2: Admiral Twin Yeah, yeah, I used to play them on

981
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:13,039
the Gospel According to Music Part two. I think overnight

982
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:15,519
or something. We played them I think after hours, because

983
00:57:15,519 --> 00:57:19,599
weren't you heavier edgier band, right, We were more an.

984
00:57:19,559 --> 00:57:22,639
Speaker 3: Indie kind of like the seventy seven's in the choir

985
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:26,960
undercover of Savers. The stuff you played after midnight?

986
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 2: Wow? Wow, wow man, you and I have our paths

987
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:34,800
crossed after thirty years. That's why. Oh, I'm sorry, I'll

988
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:36,519
shut up. Go ahead. I was just having a moment.

989
00:57:36,599 --> 00:57:37,679
Go ahead, what's on your mind?

990
00:57:38,119 --> 00:57:40,000
Speaker 3: It helped you kind of gave me permission, you know.

991
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:41,800
When I saw you as like, oh, no, him too,

992
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,480
and I was like, wait a minute. But I've been

993
00:57:44,519 --> 00:57:47,159
on my de conversion journey since I was probably eleven

994
00:57:47,239 --> 00:57:50,599
years old. I just didn't realize it. But I just

995
00:57:50,679 --> 00:57:53,719
I'm curious. My question. I guess feel free to rain

996
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:57,480
the end because I'm very autistic ADHD and OCD, so

997
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,360
I can be all over the map and I've been

998
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,280
on the phone for an taking notes. So here's my question.

999
00:58:03,159 --> 00:58:08,280
I'm curious as some people just are intellectually unable to

1000
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,559
access ration and reason because I was an eleven year

1001
00:58:12,559 --> 00:58:15,719
old kid. I remember, you know, I remember in Sammi school,

1002
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,000
I just gave my life to the Lord for the

1003
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:21,440
three hundredth time. I'm eleven years old, and they're saying

1004
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,199
you got to get sanctified next and filled with the

1005
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:27,199
Holy Ghost. And I was like, okay, well what's sanctified?

1006
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:29,639
And no one could tell me what it was. And

1007
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:32,880
that was like those things started adding up. You know,

1008
00:58:33,079 --> 00:58:35,639
nothing made sense to me. So I was kind of

1009
00:58:35,639 --> 00:58:38,800
a questioning kid from the beginning. I remember going to

1010
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:42,760
Cornerstone and watching like Josh mc dowd actually given reasons

1011
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:48,599
for medical necessity abortions and rape and incests, and the

1012
00:58:48,639 --> 00:58:51,719
Cornerstone Festival tenths, you know, a band played there like

1013
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:56,119
three years and Cornerstone was an environment where you were

1014
00:58:56,119 --> 00:58:58,480
able to question. It was a bunch of hippies and

1015
00:58:58,519 --> 00:59:02,559
punk rock kids that were raised and evangelical churches that

1016
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,239
probably were restless like me and just realized they needed more.

1017
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,360
But I don't know. I mean so I feel like

1018
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,199
I was kind of born and raised to be a

1019
00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,800
questioning kid. Maybe that's part of my eighty h D part.

1020
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:16,639
I just need to know stuff, and you know how

1021
00:59:16,639 --> 00:59:20,679
shit works to function, and I know that for thirty years.

1022
00:59:21,159 --> 00:59:24,360
I probably was thirty years old before I even looked

1023
00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:27,639
at a candidate on the ballot that wasn't rid. It

1024
00:59:27,719 --> 00:59:30,280
was so easy. My pastor would say, hey, we all

1025
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,639
need to vote for so and so, and I'd be like, oh,

1026
00:59:32,639 --> 00:59:34,239
thank god, I don't have to look at all that

1027
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:38,199
political crap. I did get stuck in the dittohead thing

1028
00:59:38,199 --> 00:59:41,000
in the nineties for like ten minutes, but I realized

1029
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,719
I can't even look at myself then and go. I

1030
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:44,920
was shutting off part of my brain. I was letting

1031
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,280
that ego part of my brain run crazy. And I

1032
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,159
think I'm in there right now, so pull me in.

1033
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:53,199
What do you think people just.

1034
00:59:54,239 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 2: Well, I think let me come past. I mean, your

1035
00:59:57,199 --> 01:00:01,519
deconstruction stories is always interesting, But are there some people

1036
01:00:01,559 --> 01:00:05,480
who simply aren't cognitively able to bust out? There are

1037
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:09,480
certainly cases of people who simply don't have the tool set,

1038
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:13,239
but I think those people are largely a very small minority.

1039
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:15,480
What I don't want to be guilty of is the

1040
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,719
bigotry of lowered expectations. Some people need religion, or some

1041
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:21,000
people simply aren't going to be smart enough or intelligent

1042
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:23,400
enough to be able to bust out. I honestly think

1043
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:26,719
the vast, fast, fast majority the people can be rescued

1044
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,199
from bad ideas even if they are cognitively limited in

1045
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:30,719
some way.

1046
01:00:31,000 --> 01:00:33,679
Speaker 3: So as we lose community, and that's the saying, they

1047
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:36,159
still have community, and I think that's what keeps them

1048
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,960
all just like glued together. They have community, they have

1049
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:43,119
a leader, and they don't have to use their brains.

1050
01:00:43,159 --> 01:00:45,199
Thank god, I can use it for other things.

1051
01:00:46,039 --> 01:00:50,840
Speaker 2: No way I thought I should post my speech on

1052
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:54,079
identity beliefs, I should go ahead and probably post it

1053
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:57,440
in a few weeks. So yeah, No, I think we

1054
01:00:57,519 --> 01:01:00,400
get into the number of reasons why people hold onto

1055
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:07,079
an identity, and whether that's your Christian, evangelical, conservative, capitalist, Republican, whatever.

1056
01:01:07,159 --> 01:01:10,079
There are a lot of reasons that aren't data related,

1057
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:13,119
that are community and identity related, which is why when

1058
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:14,519
you and I go in and say this is a

1059
01:01:14,519 --> 01:01:16,360
problem and here, here, here, and here, and they just

1060
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:19,159
shut down, get mad or walk out, there are reasons

1061
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:21,800
for that. So now you raise a really good point.

1062
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:24,159
When the speech goes out later this month, we can

1063
01:01:24,199 --> 01:01:26,800
have a further discussion about it in the online community.

1064
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,960
I think Mark, you'd be safe. Thanks for calling. We'll

1065
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:34,119
see you later. Okay, see you later. I do like

1066
01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:37,639
the idea, and I think news stations should have a

1067
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:41,000
side screen at all times, and they should have a

1068
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:45,360
team of let's call it twenty five real time fact checkers.

1069
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:49,519
So whenever you know, somebody is interviewing Mike Johnson, Speaker

1070
01:01:49,559 --> 01:01:53,239
of the House or whoever, and they're just spilling out

1071
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:56,480
the bullshit, it's just rolling. The forked tongue is in

1072
01:01:56,679 --> 01:02:01,840
full swing, and as they speak, it's like, this is incorrect.

1073
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:04,159
Here's the date of this, this is what actually happened,

1074
01:02:04,199 --> 01:02:07,199
Here's what Trump said. I just think there should be

1075
01:02:07,239 --> 01:02:09,039
a and we get to the point where we are

1076
01:02:09,039 --> 01:02:11,639
conditioned as a culture to expect it. You will see

1077
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,000
the actual interview or the report or the claim and

1078
01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:17,400
over here it's just real time fact checking. And then

1079
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:19,800
there would be a way to source it, because without

1080
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:23,119
sources we're doing is sort of taking somebody else's word

1081
01:02:23,199 --> 01:02:27,400
for it. So we'd need some vetting. We'd need to

1082
01:02:27,519 --> 01:02:29,920
know that the fact checkers were qualified to do so,

1083
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:32,880
and there would need to be sources for those fact checks,

1084
01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:35,760
and then they would be there. How would we do that?

1085
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,719
It would have to be a more interactive form of television,

1086
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:44,719
wouldn't it. I'm just saying, Doug, Doug, thanks for calling.

1087
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:45,199
Are you there?

1088
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm here. Can you hear me your game?

1089
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 6: I can?

1090
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:48,159
Speaker 2: What's on your mind?

1091
01:02:48,599 --> 01:02:50,719
Speaker 8: I just wanted to say thank you for everything you do.

1092
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,159
I'm from tell Us. Also. Oh yeah, you and I

1093
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,360
and my oldest daughter had dinner on time. You helped

1094
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:57,599
us with to write a paper for our larrance. I

1095
01:02:57,599 --> 01:02:58,440
don't if you remember that or not.

1096
01:02:58,639 --> 01:03:02,039
Speaker 2: Hang on your second hold on, Doug. Let's see, I

1097
01:03:02,039 --> 01:03:04,760
think I do. Your daughter was working on a school

1098
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:07,639
project and you ask if I could provide input, and

1099
01:03:07,679 --> 01:03:09,880
I think we met at a sushi restaurant. Am I

1100
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:10,480
remembering that?

1101
01:03:10,599 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 4: Ryan?

1102
01:03:11,159 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 8: That's exactly it? Yeah, I can't believe you remember.

1103
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:17,599
Speaker 2: No, No, that's amazing. No, it was on ar go ahead, dog,

1104
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:18,400
go ahead.

1105
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:20,599
Speaker 8: No, that's I just mostly I will keep it the

1106
01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:21,920
longest one to say thanks.

1107
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 11: And real quick.

1108
01:03:23,079 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 8: Has the topic of abortion come up much so far

1109
01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:28,920
today on the show. I didn't know if it had

1110
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,880
or not. My youngest daughter is twenty two now, and

1111
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:34,480
she sent me a meme of a or a video

1112
01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:37,159
of TikTok of a fourteen fifteen year old girl that

1113
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,639
walks into I don't know if it's the DHS for

1114
01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,199
what to try to like put in paperwork to adopt

1115
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,840
a child, and of course the person behind the characters,

1116
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:46,920
well you can't adopt. Your too young to adopt. She's like,

1117
01:03:47,039 --> 01:03:50,079
but I can get pregnant and have a baby. Yeah,

1118
01:03:50,159 --> 01:03:52,199
you can do that, because you can't adopt a child.

1119
01:03:52,199 --> 01:03:54,840
And I just it was one of another amazing thing

1120
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:57,199
that my daughters have bought fourth to me to show

1121
01:03:57,239 --> 01:04:00,000
me that like I can't. We just there's so much iron,

1122
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,400
you know, I just can't believe it. And it's just

1123
01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,440
another example and I wanted to show it out it

1124
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,079
really quick too. But that's about it. I just I'm

1125
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:10,599
just like everyone else is called in. I just believe.

1126
01:04:11,159 --> 01:04:12,679
Of course you and I both know how to just

1127
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,760
live in northeast Oklahoma, and I don't know. I don't

1128
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:17,519
know where we go from here. I'm a retired federal

1129
01:04:17,519 --> 01:04:21,039
employee myself, and everybody's worried and it's not going to

1130
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:24,280
go well, I don't think. But like your wanting to said,

1131
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,639
we just got to keep plugging along. We keep trying.

1132
01:04:26,719 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 3: We can't give up.

1133
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 2: I got a storm shelter. Maybe we'll just put some

1134
01:04:30,039 --> 01:04:33,159
like really tiny furniture down there, and you know, it'll

1135
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:35,480
be a freidy hole for the next forty eight months.

1136
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,239
We'll see what happens. But hug your family for me.

1137
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,119
Say hi to your baby girl, and I hope she

1138
01:04:40,159 --> 01:04:42,559
did well on her school project. Thanks for calling, Doug.

1139
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 8: She did, Thank you, Seth.

1140
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see you. I've got Tyler at six three six.

1141
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:48,440
Are you there?

1142
01:04:49,239 --> 01:04:51,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, Seth, thanks for taking the call.

1143
01:04:51,320 --> 01:04:52,239
Speaker 2: You bet what's up?

1144
01:04:53,119 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 4: So, first of all, I wanted to say that I

1145
01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,280
agreed with what Alex was saying completely as far as like,

1146
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,519
we can't just resign and I give up.

1147
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:02,880
Speaker 7: As soon as the sixth.

1148
01:05:02,639 --> 01:05:06,039
Speaker 4: I joined a bunch of groups around here. I'm in Missouri,

1149
01:05:06,159 --> 01:05:08,639
so I'm in a deep red state and there's.

1150
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:09,159
Speaker 11: A lot going on.

1151
01:05:09,360 --> 01:05:09,760
Speaker 7: Uh.

1152
01:05:10,119 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 4: I think you were saying about fact checking and stuff.

1153
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,199
The problem is with factchecking they think the fact checks

1154
01:05:17,239 --> 01:05:20,119
are liberal biased and that sort of thing. I had

1155
01:05:20,119 --> 01:05:21,840
a whole thing typed out here. But I kind of

1156
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:23,320
lost money in train and stuff.

1157
01:05:25,079 --> 01:05:27,400
Speaker 2: That's okay, that's all right. Well, what's on your what's

1158
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:29,000
the main gist? What's on your mind?

1159
01:05:30,119 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 11: Well, I don't know how we get out of this

1160
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,880
media environment is my main problem. It's it seems, as

1161
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,239
other people have pointed out there, other people are in

1162
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,280
just their completely different reality when it comes to facts

1163
01:05:42,519 --> 01:05:46,039
and fact based knowledge and things like that. What I

1164
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:49,039
can't tell you is I think it is very important

1165
01:05:49,199 --> 01:05:51,719
right now to go out, talk to your neighbors, talk

1166
01:05:51,760 --> 01:05:52,639
to people around you.

1167
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 8: Make sure you build a.

1168
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 4: Community around you, because if stuff does go bad, you

1169
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,000
need to, you know, make sure the people around you

1170
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:01,719
are there to protect you. That's the biggest thing. When

1171
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,880
when authoritary is you know, start shipping people off, it's

1172
01:06:05,880 --> 01:06:08,239
a little harder to do when those people are organized.

1173
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 7: So I would say, save money.

1174
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Speaker 4: If you smoke, quit smoking, If you drink, quit drinking,

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Save every bit of money you can and hope for

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the best organized don't give up.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Tyler, thanks for calling. We'll caed you later. Make sense,

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But if someone gives you a free gummy, then apparently

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that would be a good way to cope, which takes

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me full circle back to the beginning. I've got a

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call from Denmark. I don't see a name. Can you

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tell me who this is?

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Speaker 12: Well, my name is Coughing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for calling. What's on your mind?

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Speaker 12: I'm just you know, and shock of what happened in

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the United States. I think we all off in some way.

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I would say that you have Trump and we have

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some people like him in Denmark too, and.

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Speaker 6: It's just like a disease that is spreading.

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Speaker 12: So I don't know what this is going off, like

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going down the grain.

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Speaker 2: Now, Well, I was going to ask you for asylum,

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and you're telling me that you have a politician or

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a few politicians that are Trumpian in You're part of

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the world.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, it's completely the same bullshit. They say the

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same bullshit as Trump, and they spread safe news. They

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you know, the media is not trustworthy. The institutions is

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full of.

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Speaker 12: Communists, and you know they're not many, but they have

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a loud voice, and that's the problem.

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Speaker 6: I think they have a loud voice.

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Speaker 12: But you also like spin here and then like it's

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been like homosexuality trends people, even what's been shown on

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children's TV. You know, you have these idiots demonstrating and

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unfunded claims that if you are trans, you a pedophile

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and all that kind of bullshit. It's so tiresome, and

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I do so sorry for you.

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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that, and just know that many of

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us are as alarmed and grieved and worried and scared

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and pissed off is you are, and a lot of

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a lot of our allies around the world are so

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I feel you, and I appreciate this call across from

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across the ocean. Be safe over there. Okay, Yes, thank

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you you too.

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Speaker 5: Okay.

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Speaker 2: He brings up a really good point. The American media

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has failed us because the outrageous stuff that has been

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said and done, the second by second cognitive decline that

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we have been witnessing. The non answer is the word salad.

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The bizarre behavior. This should have been on the front

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page of every newspaper. It should have been on every

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news side, It should have been at the front of

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every broadcast news outlet, we are in danger. We are

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seeing someone who is losing their fucking mind, the rise

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of fascism, et cetera. This the language should be. You

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should have said, well, maybe you did see some of

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the massaging of language that the New York Times and

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other outlets have been using to talk about Donald Trump.

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In a way, it was a de facto legitimization of

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illegitimate behavior, of terrifying behavior, of alarming behavior. Instead of

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waving red flags, it was more like, well Trump did this,

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and this and this today in a legitimate sounding headline,

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when it should have been something more accurate. Donald Trump

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spins into nonsensical word salad in front of the United Nations.

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I think the media totally failed us. Our media is

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a broken thing. And I don't mean just Fox News,

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and we know Fox News has fucked up. Hell. I

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wrote a whole book called Confessions of a Former Fox

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News Christian, which dismantles that whole network talks about right

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wing radio leading to Fox News. Beginning in the nineties,

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we talked about Reagan and the fairness doctrine being knocked

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down and all these other precursors, and then the propaganda

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mill owned by Rupert Murdoch, etc. Etc. I'm not just

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talking about Fox News, though, I'm talking about across the board,

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whether it was this agand over here, whether it super

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left wing or everything in the middle. If you look

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at how the media has been reporting, their language has

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been de facto legitimization of an illegitimate guy, a guy

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who has no business being anywhere near the halls of power.

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And those should have been the headlines. They should have

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been banging that drum so loud that you couldn't hear

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anything else, and they should have been doing it twenty

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four to seven on the order of years. And it's

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that they talked about Donald Trump like he was just

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another politician. Our media failed us. They just failed us.

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I hope the conversation today has been cathartic for you.

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At least you know others are feeling what you are feeling.

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And if you're not feeling outraged, there's something wrong there.

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And outrage can be a good motivator. Anger, justifiable anger

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can be a good motivator. Let's try to emulate the

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good and the just that we want to see in

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the world. After we navigate the vat here Let's not

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give up. Let's do what we do for all the

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right reasons. Big hug from me and my family to

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you and yours. I'll see you next time.

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