Speaker 1: It's like telling you about a coming economic collapse, and
Speaker 1: it's telling you that the party is over for like
Speaker 1: the left, but something a little bit bigger than the left,
Speaker 1: sort of like this great, big, immoral, sexually exploitive kind
Speaker 1: of music industry thing. It's telling you that the party
Speaker 1: is coming to an end and it's all falling apart.
Speaker 1: It's telling you that the dollar is about to be worthless,
Speaker 1: and it's telling you that there might be unrest. It's
Speaker 1: a very interesting video, honestly, it's a lot of fun
Speaker 1: and it's kind of a masterpiece in that way if
Speaker 1: you can look past Kim Kardashian's ass, which admittedly is
Speaker 1: a task.
Speaker 2: Very difficult.
Speaker 3: Dude, See, you're telling me this.
Speaker 4: You deciphered all of this from a couple of minute
Speaker 4: long weird posts.
Speaker 3: Actually Christmas a four minutes and forty four second long post, Clint,
Speaker 3: which is that they tell you the community, and.
Speaker 1: They tell you several times throughout it that this is
Speaker 1: like a Stanley Kubrick film, which you don't have to
Speaker 1: be a conspiracy theorist to know that Kubrick went to
Speaker 1: great length to enrich his background with all kinds of
Speaker 1: subliminal messaging and so in that way, it's telling you.
Speaker 2: The foreground is telling you nothing.
Speaker 1: The background is telling you everything, and when you look
Speaker 1: at it through that lens, you're like, oh shit, there's
Speaker 1: a story here, and it's pretty fucking cool.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to give her too much due, but
Speaker 1: you know, and who knows how much of a role
Speaker 1: she played in it, but it was kind of genius.
Speaker 4: Well that that is interesting.
Speaker 2: Oh you were in this. You are kind of stupid,
Speaker 2: because how exactly have I said that?
Speaker 4: Exactly?
Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead, gohead explained to this.
Speaker 5: I do understand. I'm getting unhinged and I can't talk,
Speaker 5: like but listen, but I get really passionate about it
Speaker 5: because I can't even must when.
Speaker 4: You should put that passion somewhere else into I don't know,
Speaker 4: informing yourself because sorry, he stopped meeting me.
Speaker 5: By the way, if I go to your fucking house
Speaker 5: and tell you how you're supposed to act and I'll
Speaker 5: call you that, you raised.
Speaker 6: When when have I done this?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 5: You're you're insane.
Speaker 7: You are sounds actually unhinged, and I hope that you
Speaker 7: totally seek out the necessary medical attention that you need.
Speaker 3: In order to do because I've waited. I've waited a
Speaker 3: long time. I've waited a long time. So let me
Speaker 3: just let me just make my point.
Speaker 5: That's wow, he doesn't.
Speaker 2: I clearly stated I have the smoothest brain on the planet.
Speaker 3: No, you you definitely think you're superior.
Speaker 4: But that's okay.
Speaker 3: The point I wanted to.
Speaker 7: Make smooth brain, And I think I'm like the most
Speaker 7: aerodynamic thing here, you know, like those spears that they
Speaker 7: manufactured to test like whether or not a kilogram is
Speaker 7: actually accurate, you know, the spears of silicon.
Speaker 3: That's how smooth my brain is. Yeah, you're the you're
Speaker 3: the UFOs over New Jersey.
Speaker 2: Anyway, flash and such a mirror that you can see
Speaker 2: the future in it, and you don't.
Speaker 3: Like to see. Jesus Christ, you're obnoxious, all right.
Speaker 4: So the point I wanted to get to so that
Speaker 4: that was allegedly my engagement with Elon Musk. Right, I
Speaker 4: don't believe it's Elon Musk. Let me make that very clear. Really, yeah,
Speaker 4: people are people are adamant that Adrian Dittman is Elon Musk,
Speaker 4: and I that that got cut off there, but I
Speaker 4: called him an asshole later, I said he's obnoxious. I said,
Speaker 4: he came in there as antagonistic and humanly possible.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: If it is Elon, I expect my account to be
Speaker 4: nuked within forty eight hours.
Speaker 3: Because I was not very nice to him. But a
Speaker 3: bunch of these guys that other dude to s MG
Speaker 3: got his He got his ship taken away too. Patriot
Speaker 3: J got a ship taken away.
Speaker 4: So yeah, let me so let me break this down
Speaker 4: a little bit. So the allegation is that Laura Lumer
Speaker 4: basically docks somebody. It was a guy who wasn't even
Speaker 4: the guy that was being put in as an advisor
Speaker 4: to Trump. It had he had the same name and
Speaker 4: he donated to Kamala Harris. She claims that she redacted
Speaker 4: the address for this gentleman. They claim she did not.
Speaker 4: I don't know what the truth is. If if she
Speaker 4: in fact put out the address for this guy who
Speaker 4: wasn't even a guy that's going into the Trump administration,
Speaker 4: then that's fucking terrible and obviously she gets whatever comes
Speaker 4: to her for that. That was a huge mistake. If
Speaker 4: it was in fact predacted, and she's just being hammered
Speaker 4: because she went hard in the paint against h one
Speaker 4: b's and against Elon and Vivek yesterday. Well that's a
Speaker 4: totally different thing, in which case old Twitter is now
Speaker 4: new Twitter and we're back in censorious times. So I
Speaker 4: don't know, I don't know what's true.
Speaker 1: Theil that happened, by the way till it regressed.
Speaker 3: Is also the idea where again I was docked by
Speaker 3: transgender Twitter, and I'm like, I didn't even observe that. No,
Speaker 3: I didn't say anything crazy to listen to pieces question,
Speaker 3: just asking a question doesn't matter if you were offensive
Speaker 3: or not. The fact is like, you can't do that.
Speaker 3: This is not it's not just terms of service, but
Speaker 3: now you're making a physical threat. And nothing happened to
Speaker 3: this person as a matter of fact. They they responded
Speaker 3: to me almost immediately saying they didn't violate any any
Speaker 3: any of their policy. So I was like, okay, so
Speaker 3: I can say whatever I want.
Speaker 4: Then the same same thing happened with Nick Flint does
Speaker 4: though the people that doc doxed Funt does like all
Speaker 4: he said was your body my behind, Like that's all
Speaker 4: he said. A banger. Yeah, I mean it's funny, it's
Speaker 4: and I think he meant it as a joke because
Speaker 4: he didn't even vote for tramp.
Speaker 1: So of course, the look if you're looking at Nick
Speaker 1: Wine's it's like he doesn't have the ability to execute
Speaker 1: your body his.
Speaker 3: Choice, you know what I mean. He doesn't want to write.
Speaker 4: It's literally your body is definitely.
Speaker 3: Not his choice at this point.
Speaker 2: It's a banger of a joke, is yeah.
Speaker 4: But so anyways, he he posts that on election night. Uh.
Speaker 4: He then has I was on a space with him
Speaker 4: last night too. I was doing spaces all night. I
Speaker 4: don't know why. But he explains that after that he
Speaker 4: got doxed aggressively. He reported the docs did not get
Speaker 4: pulled down. It was seen millions of times too, so
Speaker 4: it does seem as if. Oh and then on top
Speaker 4: of that, over almost one hundred people came to his
Speaker 4: house because that doxing. That's crazy. And then a person
Speaker 4: who allegedly murdered three people showed up at his house
Speaker 4: armed to the teeth to try and take out Nick
Speaker 4: was killed by the cops. This is this actually fucking happened,
Speaker 4: and no one seems to really care about it, just
Speaker 4: because they don't like Nick Fuentes. And I'm like, this
Speaker 4: is madness. And apparently X did nothing to stop the
Speaker 4: doxing of him. So he's now looking at litigation against
Speaker 4: X for you know, basically putting him in jeopardy. I
Speaker 4: don't know if there's any validity to that claim, but regardless,
Speaker 4: it does seem this on top of the Laura Lumer
Speaker 4: she was suspended and she also lost her blue check
Speaker 4: and she lost all of her subscribers, so she's being hammered.
Speaker 4: And then everybody she was affiliated with, So apparently what
Speaker 4: what happened was like sixty or so dissident right wing
Speaker 4: figures all paid I think it's a thousand, maybe it's
Speaker 4: more per month to have a verified like corporate account
Speaker 4: on X and they all shared this badge. So everybody
Speaker 4: that was affiliated with her on that also is now
Speaker 4: under review. They had all of their blue checks, you know,
Speaker 4: throw thrown into under review because of her actions. So
Speaker 4: it's not because of trauma, it's well, that's that's the
Speaker 4: that's the story. So it's it's not because she docks.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's that's a great excuse, But then why
Speaker 3: are these other people, the other people that have lost
Speaker 3: their blue check and are on back under review. They've
Speaker 3: all been critical of the H one B visa stuff.
Speaker 4: I know, but that's that's what I'm saying, is like,
Speaker 4: the claim is because they lost I guess because she
Speaker 4: she violated the policy, she loses that. I think maybe
Speaker 4: that account was under her registration, so therefore everybody else
Speaker 4: that was using that account, essentially that account is no longer.
Speaker 4: You're no longer going to have the I don't know,
Speaker 4: the paid verified of this conservative media thing. So none
Speaker 4: of those people should lose their subscribers, none of them
Speaker 4: should lose their blue check if they do. If everybody
Speaker 4: that's affiliated with her gets hammered the same way, well
Speaker 4: then yeah, this is old Twitter censorious.
Speaker 2: Just a different flavor of cancel culture.
Speaker 3: I think it's kind of cool. The reason I think
Speaker 3: I can never this is why I like talking to top.
Speaker 3: I never expect what his angle's going to be. Go ahead, no,
Speaker 3: And it's like, I'm not taking the contrary on any
Speaker 3: of this, but I don't want to. I don't want
Speaker 3: to jump out guly Are I'm being honest with you.
Speaker 3: I also don't want to jump the gun into the
Speaker 3: further conversation we get into the h one bvs's and
Speaker 3: my immigration, because I think that's what this is all about.
Speaker 3: But if I paid a lot of money for a platform,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't want people on it opposing what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: And if they were, I could just pull some fucking
Speaker 3: strings and make it the way I want it. Why
Speaker 3: would I let you come here and run the show
Speaker 3: and ratio me on my own website?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: But who is just the block?
Speaker 1: Because I'm looking at Elon and I have a really
Speaker 1: hard time figuring out how much influence he actually has
Speaker 1: over X only only because you know, we do.
Speaker 2: A lot spirit fingers, the spear fingers, we do.
Speaker 1: A lot, right, We're constantly working, We're putting out content,
Speaker 1: We're trying to build something. This is a guy who's
Speaker 1: doing SpaceX. He's also doing the boring Company. He's also
Speaker 1: doing all these appearances and spaces. He's running the biggest
Speaker 1: social media company on the planet there and he's seemingly
Speaker 1: ranked like number two or something in Diablo, which is
Speaker 1: fucking insane. I mean, dude, the amount of hours you
Speaker 1: have to allocate to that game in order to rank
Speaker 1: that high. Uh, I didn't even imagine how many. That
Speaker 1: is no sense, it doesn't make any sense. And then like, look,
Speaker 1: I know it's gonna seem a little crazy. That sounded
Speaker 1: like Elon must to me. And I do think I've
Speaker 1: suspected for a while that he runs multiple accounts, Like
Speaker 1: I think he runs his parody account, you know, Elon
Speaker 1: Musk parody. I think it gives him an outlet to
Speaker 1: explore certain ideas and sometimes the way they play off
Speaker 1: each other, it just seems like the same guy running
Speaker 1: two accounts if he truly is. And I would do that,
Speaker 1: by the way, if I owned the biggest social media
Speaker 1: conglomeration on the planet, I would have multiple account.
Speaker 3: Actually had the free time to do that.
Speaker 2: How does he have the free time? And you should diablo?
Speaker 3: Okay, so maybe he's also got ten kids, Like.
Speaker 2: What something about him doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got a lot of money. You could you
Speaker 3: could explain the kids have nanny's. You could explain that
Speaker 3: he's the CEO of these companies, but he's delegated responsibility effectively,
Speaker 3: what you can explain is like how much time he's
Speaker 3: using on Twitter, even just on his Elon Musk is
Speaker 3: his main his main account, And it's funny when you
Speaker 3: see people, they're like, what are you doing on Twitter?
Speaker 3: Like back when I kind of first started, I was like,
Speaker 3: I don't know this shit seems important. People are like
Speaker 3: talking on here and there's like something moving. Well, now
Speaker 3: you've got the richest guy in the world who put
Speaker 3: four four billion dollars into it and not just bought it.
Speaker 3: But he's like an avid user. He's one of the
Speaker 3: most prolific users on He's not that good at it,
Speaker 3: I don't think, but he uses it a lot. It
Speaker 3: tells you that this ship is really important in whatever
Speaker 3: we're moving towards. And however, the culture has been moved.
Speaker 1: But I do think that he's recognized the significance of
Speaker 1: the cultural effect of Twitter, and that was I think
Speaker 1: exemplified back when you had your tweet top, the famous
Speaker 1: one with mel Gibson or or Joe Biden right and
Speaker 1: after he retweeted that he moved the culture the conversation
Speaker 1: in a dramatically different direction that only hindsight tells you
Speaker 1: was pretty impactful as far as you know things about
Speaker 1: the Jews or whatever. He did that Again recently we
Speaker 1: talked about this where he did a how do I
Speaker 1: say this, I don't want to get you yanked off YouTube,
Speaker 1: but there's you know, the.
Speaker 3: Whole conspiracy with John Pegate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that whole thing.
Speaker 1: He retweeted that reach the r Kelly thing, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: different but the same same. But I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he does It's I don't think he he may not
Speaker 1: be the best twiteter to tops point, but I think
Speaker 1: he has a really good handle on the on his
Speaker 1: ability to move a cultural conversation.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to attribute five D chests to a
Speaker 1: dude who's not playing five D chests, and I think
Speaker 1: we in the conspiracy community do that a lot. We
Speaker 1: kind of attribute, you know, higher levels of intellect to
Speaker 1: people that don't deserve it.
Speaker 3: However, he deserves it. Dude, he's doing something.
Speaker 1: Right, and I just go when he's you know, are
Speaker 1: you violating the terms of service when you dock somebody?
Speaker 2: Almost certainly?
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: I can imagine that within the terms of service of Twitter,
Speaker 1: it is on its face a violation to do d
Speaker 1: thing when you allow it to perpetuate, and that it
Speaker 1: spirals into some of the biggest cultural moments we've seen
Speaker 1: unfold on Twitter. I have to ask myself if he
Speaker 1: lets a thing slide when he thinks it's advantageous or
Speaker 1: when he doesn't, you know, So that.
Speaker 4: I concern, and that's always been my concern with X.
Speaker 4: It's not so much that the rules are like of
Speaker 4: particular concern, it's that are they Are they actually applied equally?
Speaker 2: Almost certainly not?
Speaker 4: And are they static? Like are they shifting with the wind?
Speaker 4: And the answer is they're definitely shifting with the wind
Speaker 4: because he just changes shit every month. But also it
Speaker 4: doesn't feel as if it's being applied equitably, which was
Speaker 4: the entire complaint of old guard Twitter, because people like
Speaker 4: us were constantly being suspended or or banned entirely, whereas
Speaker 4: people with left leaning politics were basically free to run wild.
Speaker 4: And now, you know, there's been allegations that now this
Speaker 4: is the right wing version of Twitter, where it's extraordinarily
Speaker 4: biased towards the right. That doesn't appear to be the case.
Speaker 4: If what's happening to Laura Lumer and these other folks
Speaker 4: is in fact unjust now let me just say though,
Speaker 4: if she docksed some random dude with the same name,
Speaker 4: she fucked up major yeah, and that's on her, So
Speaker 4: we got a I'm gonna reserve judgment until I actually
Speaker 4: know for a fact. She claims that the address was redacted.
Speaker 4: I don't if that's true.
Speaker 3: Laura Lumer. I mean I've met her in real life.
Speaker 3: She's just kind of nice in real life, but she's
Speaker 3: a piece of sh online. She did you do a
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of things that are horrible.
Speaker 2: This is coming from top lobster.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm a piece of shit online. Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, she is totally female. You you're really nice in person,
Speaker 4: but online you were a total piece of shit.
Speaker 3: Just like I feel like, I feel like people hate
Speaker 3: me less online. Like here's here's a question.
Speaker 1: Wait, what in persons when it comes from women, we don't.
Speaker 3: Like they hate me less than her, Like, okay, A
Speaker 3: good example is a lot of people love me online.
Speaker 3: A lot of people hate me. I don't think anybody
Speaker 3: loves Laura Lumer. They just like you follow her because
Speaker 3: you're like, what's she doing now? She's chaining herself to Twitter,
Speaker 3: she's fighting Milo of Napolis like nothing good ever, But like, no,
Speaker 3: she doesn't have any fans. She just has people that
Speaker 3: watch her because she's a spectacle. Did you watch the
Speaker 3: argument with her at Milo Unanapolis? Because I saw it.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 1: There's like that, you know, it's it's it's I think
Speaker 1: it's nighttime. They're outside, they're face to face, there's somebody
Speaker 1: between them recording, and they're arguing with one another.
Speaker 2: And I looked at it.
Speaker 3: Jimmy Hendrix's recording them, which is very funny, and.
Speaker 2: I went, why am I fucking watching dude?
Speaker 1: And I turned it off before they got any sort
Speaker 1: of you know, message as semblance of something coherent out.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they were even talking about. I
Speaker 1: just said, why am I doing this? And that was
Speaker 1: gonna be my question when you first brought up that
Speaker 1: space thing. You said you had been doing spaces a
Speaker 1: lot last night, you know, and you didn't know why.
Speaker 1: It's funny because moments of other spaces. I was gonna
Speaker 1: ask you, don't you hate these people? Why are you
Speaker 1: subjecting yourself to these It's a very strange thing.
Speaker 3: This like.
Speaker 1: The personalities, the inflammatory personalities that have developed around political conversations,
Speaker 1: especially at a time where like it seems to matter
Speaker 1: more than ever, there's so much on the line, and
Speaker 1: you have sort of the wwe stars of political conversation.
Speaker 2: And I look at that and I go, that's just
Speaker 2: off you exhausting.
Speaker 3: What's weird about the spaces to me is that, like,
Speaker 3: so Clint, is this almost anomaly you have like this
Speaker 3: uh Greek broadcasting and you know how to handle yourself
Speaker 3: when you're talking and you have a great Twitter presence.
Speaker 3: This guy whoever that was with the with the Maga
Speaker 3: hat sounded like a retard.
Speaker 2: Sounded like Elon Musk.
Speaker 3: No, the other guy that was arguing with Elon Musk
Speaker 3: sounded like a retard. Elon Musk sounds kind of like
Speaker 3: a retard when he's on in a podcast format and
Speaker 3: they love to do this shit. It's like just like
Speaker 3: they go with their huge accounts, they pull their pants
Speaker 3: down and they talk into their phone and I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's bad. Some of it's really bad. And Miles Strong
Speaker 3: horr Yeah.
Speaker 4: Discussed it's look, it's all it's almost always bad. But
Speaker 4: it's like it's like Laura Lohmer, it's uh, it's the spectacle,
Speaker 4: you know, it's it is. It is an entertaining Uh.
Speaker 4: I actually enjoy the debates like if they're if it's
Speaker 4: a genuine debate, it's just so rarely genuine. And this
Speaker 4: is why, like younger me, I really I honestly wish
Speaker 4: that like I had this you know, profile and this
Speaker 4: reach when I was twenty five, because I was such
Speaker 4: a lunatic in my mid twenties, you know, I would
Speaker 4: have just been screaming at the top of my legs. Today,
Speaker 4: I'm not that guy. I don't have the energy to
Speaker 4: shout back. If someone starts to flip out on me,
Speaker 4: I just kind of go like, cool, that's.
Speaker 1: Your I was listening to Clint when we were, you know,
Speaker 1: watching that Space moments ago, and his reply to the
Speaker 1: to the dude that was supposed to be Elon Musk,
Speaker 1: was all very much like an old man's reply, like
Speaker 1: you are exhausting you.
Speaker 2: You have a very bad personality. This is draining me.
Speaker 7: Like that kind of energy, young me, Young me, though,
Speaker 7: I would have been like, fuck you, dude, you know.
Speaker 2: From the top rope from Brope.
Speaker 4: Old old me is just like, you're so obnoxious. You
Speaker 4: came in here very abrasive, and I don't understand why.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know what.
Speaker 1: The other problem with this is, if that guy really
Speaker 1: is Elon Musk, there's a voice that very much sounds
Speaker 1: like him. And I'm willing to because you know my disposition,
Speaker 1: I'm willing to entertain the idea that this guy is
Speaker 1: using multiple accounts.
Speaker 3: Right, let me.
Speaker 4: Enerject real quick, let me injer real quick. Elon does
Speaker 4: not talk that fast.
Speaker 2: That's the problem.
Speaker 4: I've watched one of Elon musk interviews. This man is
Speaker 4: very fast vocally.
Speaker 3: It is not.
Speaker 1: So here's here's the problem, then, Clint, this is exactly
Speaker 1: thank you, because that's where I was going. Like I said,
Speaker 1: don't like to attribute five D chess to a guy
Speaker 1: that's not playing five D chess. If anybody was, though,
Speaker 1: it might be Elon Musk. You could surmise that from
Speaker 1: his you know, impact on the world stage. What if
Speaker 1: he's just been doing a slow drawl, right, what if
Speaker 1: he's just been doing this unnatural But by the way,
Speaker 1: a lot of people look at his cadence on Rogan
Speaker 1: and you're like, like, people think it's profound. When they
Speaker 1: ask him a question, like, you know, Rogan will say,
Speaker 1: what do you think about this?
Speaker 2: Elon will go.
Speaker 1: And he'll just stop and he'll stare at the ceiling
Speaker 1: and then he'll talk like an end from the Lord
Speaker 1: of the Rings, and people go, wow, profound. I think
Speaker 1: Elon Musk is laughing at you that you think that
Speaker 1: that's profound. He's just slowing it down so that nobody
Speaker 1: suspects that. When some fast talking dude with a with
Speaker 1: a voice that sounds very much like his is actually
Speaker 1: Elon Musk, people say, well, now he's very I don't know.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, do you think Harry Carson, does Billy
Speaker 3: Carson talk to his illegitimate children that like in the
Speaker 3: same cadence that he's. No, he's given you that like
Speaker 3: that slow cadence, and it's like to exemplify that, I
Speaker 3: know all this stuff about ancient books that don't exist,
Speaker 3: Y gotta yeah.
Speaker 2: Do you think he talks like that? On his headset?
Speaker 2: And diablo?
Speaker 1: Do you think he talks like that when like one
Speaker 1: of his ten children, you know, breaks into his like
Speaker 1: Emerald Stash or something, And do you think he comes
Speaker 1: to them and he talks real slow stull like.
Speaker 7: I don't think he does. I think we all have
Speaker 7: the modes that we get in. You're right, You're right,
Speaker 7: But I just I'm just telling you. I I don't
Speaker 7: think it's him. That's my opinion. Anyways, I hope it
Speaker 7: just you just I do too. It'd be funny if
Speaker 7: I called this Elon Muskin asshole?
Speaker 3: But you are rude.
Speaker 4: Tops, just as you were saying about Billy Carson, which
Speaker 4: is yet another one of my mutuals. And I don't
Speaker 4: know if he's a friend, but mutuals. You have been
Speaker 4: going to war with all of my friends over the
Speaker 4: past ten days. It's all ry, No, it's it's fine.
Speaker 4: It's nothing unusual, honestly. But before before we do that,
Speaker 4: I did want to play a clip of the Lumer
Speaker 4: Milo of the show I haven't seen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were hid by the garbage.
Speaker 4: You know, the period where you could just say things
Speaker 4: that people would assume that if you were not wanting.
Speaker 4: You don't want Milo.
Speaker 2: Everything that you wrote about me is a complete line.
Speaker 2: Everything like you're saying.
Speaker 3: You said I was m Marlago two weeks ago.
Speaker 5: You should Marlago two weeks ago, but.
Speaker 2: Miles ago, Milo, this is reality TV show.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know what you told?
Speaker 4: What would I do?
Speaker 2: How have you told any.
Speaker 3: Family doesn't want you anywhere near.
Speaker 4: Him that.
Speaker 2: You're jealous? He says, you have never been able to
Speaker 2: recover for being anting? Went bigg prossition and you.
Speaker 1: Would have be able to.
Speaker 2: Dude, this is people looking for this moment, isn't it?
Speaker 3: A cow?
Speaker 2: Ten gallon hat.
Speaker 1: He looks like Dale Dibodome and he's talking about it's
Speaker 1: all like a moment.
Speaker 3: A gay cowboy in a witch start an argument at
Speaker 3: a party and it's like, how does this joke? O?
Speaker 3: I don't know who cares? What are they talking about?
Speaker 3: Just Milo? I love you. You should have just walked away.
Speaker 3: She doesn't deserve your time, baby boy. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 4: This is what this is what I'm talking about. This
Speaker 4: is Twitter spaces in real life. That's what that was,
Speaker 4: because that is exactly how Twitter spaces go. And I well,
Speaker 4: first off, you said this is a you know, this
Speaker 4: is what you say. Hollywood for ugly people is not a.
Speaker 2: Reality TV for ugly people.
Speaker 3: Milo's not Milo's not handsome. He's kind of I wouldn't
Speaker 3: call him handsome. He's a thousands of men disagree with you.
Speaker 2: We're talking about We're talking about Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: He's wearing a bolo tie and a ten gallon hat. Okay,
Speaker 1: Like this is He's literally just entered the green room
Speaker 1: costume section and then came back out to argue with
Speaker 1: Laura Lumer.
Speaker 2: It's it is. It's theater crazy, It's theater and it's
Speaker 2: a lot of fun. It is it.
Speaker 1: It's hilarious. I don't dislike them for it even a
Speaker 1: little bit. Actually I like them more for it.
Speaker 4: All right, let's get into less salacious ship. Let's talk
Speaker 4: about Vivek's take on the H one B immigration salacious.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about disproportionate representation in our government by India.
Speaker 3: So he says that you can read it the reason
Speaker 3: that companies. You can read it.
Speaker 6: Tonight. As President alec Donald Trump is preparing for a
Speaker 6: widespread immigration crackdown when he takes office twenty five days
Speaker 6: from now, we're seeing a crack between some of his
Speaker 6: top advisors and his maga. Bass Elon Musk and Vivek
Speaker 6: Ramaswami are both facing major blowback from their own supporters
Speaker 6: for not only backing but encouraging offering more vices to
Speaker 6: highly skilled foreign workers. Over the Christmas holiday, Musk posted
Speaker 6: this on line, saying, think of this like a pro
Speaker 6: sports team. If you want your team to win the championship,
Speaker 6: you need to recruit top talent wherever they may be.
Speaker 4: The reason top tech companies often hire foreign born and
Speaker 4: first generation engineers over native Americans isn't because of an
Speaker 4: innate American IQ deficit a lazy and wrong explanation. A
Speaker 4: key part of it comes down to the C word culture.
Speaker 4: Tough questions demand tough answers, and if we're really serious
Speaker 4: about fixing the problem, we have to confront the truth.
Speaker 4: Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way
Speaker 4: too long, at least since the nineties and likely longer.
Speaker 4: That doesn't start in college, it starts young. A culture
Speaker 4: that celebrates the prom queen over the math Olympia champ
Speaker 4: or the jock over the valedictorian will not produce the
Speaker 4: best engineers. All right, let's pause it there before we
Speaker 4: get into the nineties pop culture references. I don't disagree
Speaker 4: with that.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't I.
Speaker 1: Disagree we would never put Native Americans in high positions.
Speaker 3: But he's not a Native American.
Speaker 2: He's now he said, he said we would never put
Speaker 2: Native Americans. He just met.
Speaker 3: Like American people pull the tweet back because it's like
Speaker 3: it's it's insulting. Every sentence I read is just like,
Speaker 3: you know where you fucking come from? A veck? Okay,
Speaker 3: It's like he doesn't come he was born in Ohio.
Speaker 2: I doubt it, dude, I doubt it.
Speaker 3: It's just he was.
Speaker 4: He was born in Ohio in nineteen eighty five. That's
Speaker 4: the truth. Okay, okay, But what is he what is
Speaker 4: he advocating for? This is what I'm saying. In the end,
Speaker 4: he advocates for was like, well, that's why Indians need
Speaker 4: to take these engineering jobs. But he's talking about our
Speaker 4: American culture being mediocre, and he's saying, what's this, where's it?
Speaker 4: Radio tough questions? Oh right, or it's just crazy. The
Speaker 4: key part of it comes down to the sea word culture.
Speaker 4: And this is a long tweet. You're talking about culture.
Speaker 4: I've said, we've seen way too many videos of India
Speaker 4: to be fooled in general. And again whatever put aside
Speaker 4: the fact that he's Indian or that he I think
Speaker 4: it's pretty cool what he's saying. Or I also think
Speaker 4: it's cool with elon Us did where this is his platform,
Speaker 4: Ela Musk, He's gonna play by the rules.
Speaker 3: Those are his people. He has this in group preference,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I make the case for that as well.
Speaker 3: So my people are American, I have that in group preference.
Speaker 3: I'll make the case for Americans taking Americans jobs, and
Speaker 3: I actually have like a very good example for that here,
Speaker 3: not just to be like fucking Maga all the way,
Speaker 3: but I live near this old people home called the Villages,
Speaker 3: and when you walk through it, it's a fucking fantasy land.
Speaker 3: Do you know why, Clint. Every restaurant that they have
Speaker 3: here requires that you buy produce and goods from the
Speaker 3: village's farms. Okay, so all that stuff goes right back around.
Speaker 3: Every single business is very incestuous. If you want to
Speaker 3: open business here, you have to feed our community. And
Speaker 3: they're feeding the community in three different ways depending on
Speaker 3: the business type. And then I walk through the streets
Speaker 3: and I go, this place is wonderful. It's like it's
Speaker 3: the closest thing to a utopia that you're gonna get
Speaker 3: always flowers put in the basically, it's Disney World for
Speaker 3: elderly people, right but old. But I go there, like
Speaker 3: there's other people that walk through there. It's not just
Speaker 3: like for them. You can go through the squares and
Speaker 3: and it was awesome.
Speaker 4: The streets are clean. There's uh yeah, no, it's.
Speaker 2: All guys not seeing this.
Speaker 3: Is there anything to say though that, uh, you know,
Speaker 3: we're we're keeping everything in house, like we're not letting
Speaker 3: you go outsource stuff. So then look at this community,
Speaker 3: how it's grown, and how beautiful it is because they
Speaker 3: continue to feed their businesses in themselves and everything the.
Speaker 2: Way with that model. That model is winning.
Speaker 1: And the culture that we exist in right now tells
Speaker 1: you that that model is obsolete. That we have to
Speaker 1: integrate as much variety as possible and you know, make
Speaker 1: sure everybody has the slice of the pie and everybody
Speaker 1: gets to contribute. And it seems that homogenization actually creates
Speaker 1: a much better system.
Speaker 4: Also, well, that's the that's the nick point does argument anyways?
Speaker 3: Go ahead, I like to address his argument about the
Speaker 3: culture again. I understand what he's saying about the culture
Speaker 3: and a lot in a lot of ways, American culture
Speaker 3: does kind of suck watching Boy Meets World and going
Speaker 3: to the mall and doing these things like this, all
Speaker 3: this I don't know, eighties rhetoric.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that does don't really happen anymore. Let
Speaker 4: me let me read the rest of it for the
Speaker 4: audience that isn't familiar.
Speaker 3: He says, a.
Speaker 4: Culture that venerates Corey from Boy Meets World, which I
Speaker 4: totally do or Zach and Slater over Screech and saved
Speaker 4: by the Bell. Who the fuck didn't Zach and Slater
Speaker 4: were obviously better than Screech. Screech was a punching bag idiot.
Speaker 4: Or Stefan over Steve Erkele. Steve Erkele sucked, Stefan was
Speaker 4: cool as hell in family matters, will not produce the
Speaker 4: best engineers.
Speaker 3: Clint fact who creates those? Who creates these kind of
Speaker 3: Hollywood movies and TV shows? And why would they?
Speaker 4: I'm not doing this?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well he's right, though, he's right, he's right where
Speaker 3: you're venerating the wrong people. But like it's it's intentional.
Speaker 4: But the I mean, you can make a cool nerd though,
Speaker 4: like you can make a nerd that that you that
Speaker 4: you look up to. It's eluding me of an example.
Speaker 4: There there are examples in Hollywood that have done this,
Speaker 4: but these are like this was this was when nerds
Speaker 4: were still being kind of degraded nerds, like, what's the
Speaker 4: big bang theory?
Speaker 3: Aren't they?
Speaker 4: They're never rated?
Speaker 1: And by the way, we've learned that that was actually
Speaker 1: the wrong move because we've championed a bunch of weaklings
Speaker 1: and nerds and now we've wondered why masculinity is all
Speaker 1: but absent from our culture.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 4: This is actually the bigger point I would have to make.
Speaker 4: And as you know, I don't often disagree with vag
Speaker 4: much to owen Benjamin's consternation, but I actually think it's
Speaker 4: not a good thing to venerate the nerds. I think
Speaker 4: that that the nerds, particularly in the natural hierarchy of humanity,
Speaker 4: if you're weak and unable to defend yourself, you're going
Speaker 4: to deal with some abuse. Now that is not good,
Speaker 4: and I'm not advocating for that, but I will say this,
Speaker 4: it is not advisable for a civilization to be ran
Speaker 4: by those people, because at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: they are seeking vengeance for past injustice.
Speaker 2: That's what we learned.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well exactly the Anthony Fauci's of the world. Like,
Speaker 4: do you think that he was cool in high school?
Speaker 4: Probably not, and he's become an absolute demon as an adult.
Speaker 4: You don't want people like that in positions of power.
Speaker 4: Stand by that. As much as I'm not a fan
Speaker 4: of the you know, high school quarterback, he's kind of
Speaker 4: a douche to. He would probably be a better president
Speaker 4: than the head of the you know, science class, right,
Speaker 4: just being honest, that's it.
Speaker 1: I think you're when you're a child and you're out
Speaker 1: on the outside of the end group, it does create
Speaker 1: a resentment in you, and then we see a lot
Speaker 1: of those people.
Speaker 2: We gave that a chance.
Speaker 1: Culturally speaking, we championed the nerd for probably the past decade,
Speaker 1: maybe fifteen years, and I think that it's been an
Speaker 1: experiment that's gone on long enough that we can see
Speaker 1: the fruits of that experiment, and it is that these
Speaker 1: people actually harbor a tremendous amount of resentment and in
Speaker 1: the many ways that they are weak physically and confidently
Speaker 1: and in their personality, it actually manifests as really undesirable
Speaker 1: traits in other aspects of their personality. We've seen this
Speaker 1: unfold and what we've also seen is the removal of
Speaker 1: that flavor of masculinity from the West, and we have
Speaker 1: suffered greatly for it, you know. It's it's why we've
Speaker 1: seen rise given to that expression of hard times create
Speaker 1: strong men.
Speaker 2: Strong men create.
Speaker 1: Good times, good times create weak men, and weak men
Speaker 1: create bad times. It's a cycle that history, you know,
Speaker 1: seems to display pretty obviously. And I think we're done
Speaker 1: with the experiment. We've seen what it does. It does
Speaker 1: just that it creates hard times.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, unfortunately, I think that the cycle is kind
Speaker 4: of unstoppable. You know, we went through really good times,
Speaker 4: and the really good times that the Vek is lamenting
Speaker 4: were the nineties. Those were probably the best times. And
Speaker 4: I know this is because it's from my childhood.
Speaker 3: People are just.
Speaker 4: Gonna assume that I'm I'm, I'm being nostalgic, like, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: you can actually look at it. America was crushing had
Speaker 4: we had a trillion dollars in debt, one trillion by
Speaker 4: the early nineties. That's it, not thirty six, thirty seven
Speaker 4: or whatever it's going to be in a couple days here.
Speaker 4: And there was no other superpower to compete with. The
Speaker 4: USSR had just fallen. There was no wars other than
Speaker 4: just wars of you know, for funzies for the military
Speaker 4: industrial complex. We had no threats, no fights, economies crushing.
Speaker 4: Social cohesion is fairly high, even.
Speaker 3: Though you did have the Rodney King riots and all
Speaker 3: that stuff.
Speaker 2: But racism was like at a low.
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Speaker 2: It was like when we were absolutely we were leaning.
Speaker 1: Into the idea that we were all different and that's
Speaker 1: what makes us special.
Speaker 2: That was what we were being told.
Speaker 1: Now it's like there is no difference in all this
Speaker 1: other crazy craft. But yeah, culturally, we were in a
Speaker 1: beautiful place too, as far as art and what was
Speaker 1: being manufactured at that time. The greatest movies, the greatest shows,
Speaker 1: the great you know all of that shit was happening
Speaker 1: in the nineties, we half suffered tremendously.
Speaker 4: Half half of the most famous influencers and people in
Speaker 4: the world or in America at least were black. Yeah,
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan, Oprah, Eddie Murphy. I mean black people were
Speaker 4: fucking crushing in the nineties and then and then by
Speaker 4: the time the two thousands or the twenty tens roll around,
Speaker 4: we find out all of us that grew up loving
Speaker 4: black people are racist now, and it was like, fuck,
Speaker 4: what happened? But anyways, I do think that the cycle
Speaker 4: is essentially unstoppable. I think that Vivek is wrong though,
Speaker 4: in that that was that was indicative of the problem.
Speaker 4: I don't think that the problem is that we need
Speaker 4: to lionize nerddom. Like the way civilization normally functions is
Speaker 4: that those with small peckers end up becoming rich because
Speaker 4: they need to find a way to mate. Okay, so
Speaker 4: there's nothing wrong with that. We don't need to pretend
Speaker 4: that everyone's got a big want, big wang. Just everyone's
Speaker 4: going to find a way to compete with whatever skill
Speaker 4: set they were offered. If you were offered great looks,
Speaker 4: you're probably not going to be as hard charging as
Speaker 4: a guy who's ugly. If you have a big dong,
Speaker 4: you're probably not going to be willing to work sixty
Speaker 4: hours a week. Okay, that's how it works. Picture you
Speaker 4: do it's a picture of Clinton. No, it's a it's
Speaker 4: a line. It's a dock graph chart where it's penis
Speaker 4: size versus income. At the very top, right, there's just
Speaker 4: one dot, and there's Clint right there. The rest of
Speaker 4: us are just kind of in the middle. I would hilarious.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that you haven't seen this, and maybe I'm
Speaker 1: wrong in seeing it, so please tell me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: But it feels very much like the argument here is
Speaker 1: because Americans suck because their culture. Yeah, that's is such
Speaker 1: that it is conducive to sucking. So does this not
Speaker 1: feel like it rhymes with? Why is there such a
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna go on a tangent. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna go where you think I'm gonna go Clinton doory,
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, why is there a disproportionate representation
Speaker 1: of Jews in our politics? Why is there a disproportionate
Speaker 1: amount of Jews in the Nobel category Nobel Peace prize category.
Speaker 3: And absolutely you were gonna go to you.
Speaker 1: So so the answer is because, and it really it
Speaker 1: boils down to this is what everybody's become pretty comfortable with.
Speaker 1: They're better intellectually speaking, they're better and it's just a
Speaker 1: wild premise to put out there because racism moral racism,
Speaker 1: and one you're never allowed to say white people are
Speaker 1: superior intellectually than insert race, right, you're not allowed to
Speaker 1: say that, spirit fingers. But they've said that to us,
Speaker 1: and they've said it on a rand scale, and.
Speaker 3: Now they're saying it about Indian people, which is so
Speaker 3: insulting to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, want you to tell me that I'm that I'm wrong?
Speaker 1: Is this not the same shit, just repackaged by a
Speaker 1: different race. It's Indian people are excelling in these fields
Speaker 1: because they're better than Americans in this case, because of
Speaker 1: their culture. But it's the same thing as we are
Speaker 1: disproportionate award winning Nobel Peace Prize people because we're smarter
Speaker 1: than you.
Speaker 2: It's the same shit, is it not?
Speaker 4: Well, here's here's my perspective on it. So I think
Speaker 4: that first generation or second generation immigrants just tend to
Speaker 4: be of better stock than domestic born Americans simply because
Speaker 4: they are the type of people that, especially legal immigrants
Speaker 4: that went through that process, because it's fucking hard as
Speaker 4: hell if you get here and then you have kids,
Speaker 4: like you have already demonstrated that you're the type of
Speaker 4: person that's trying to achieve something that's better than basically
Speaker 4: everybody else, you know, right, and that this could this
Speaker 4: is this is not a racial or cultural thing as
Speaker 4: much as it is like these this is just how
Speaker 4: Americans are built like that.
Speaker 1: It kind of can be I want to bolster your
Speaker 1: point here, It kind of can be a racial and
Speaker 1: and thing because no to Clinton. So what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is in boxing, you can see this where a lot
Speaker 1: of times it'll be like a downtrodden race who has
Speaker 1: a lot of trouble economically in their country, they come
Speaker 1: to America, they become boxing phenoms. You will see the
Speaker 1: Italians dominate for a period, You saw the Irish dominate
Speaker 1: for a period. You see black people dominate for a period,
Speaker 1: and you see Mexico dominate for a period. The baton
Speaker 1: gets past and it seems to be a correlation with
Speaker 1: how hungry you are as a people.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's irrefutably true, and and I love those
Speaker 4: people I think. I mean, that's what I'm a huge
Speaker 4: fight fan too. I'm a huge boxing fan. I love
Speaker 4: to see the underclass find a way to become one
Speaker 4: of the richest, most you know, famous people in the world.
Speaker 4: I think that's fucking awesome. So I apply that to
Speaker 4: Indians too, because the Indians that get here are the
Speaker 4: creme de la creme usually of their nation. There's one
Speaker 4: you know, it's true. Hold on, I know you're shaking
Speaker 4: your head. It's true. Though there's one point five billion
Speaker 4: people in India. If you don't think that there's some
Speaker 4: extraordinarily impressive people that come out of India, you're out
Speaker 4: of your fucking mind. But Vey happens to be one
Speaker 4: of them, even though he was born in Ohio.
Speaker 3: You racist anyway, I think he's that impressive. But go ahead, Yeah,
Speaker 3: well you're wrong.
Speaker 4: But the point being, I think that the first generation
Speaker 4: migrant that gets here, be they Chinese, be they Indian,
Speaker 4: be they from wherever there there, they tend to have
Speaker 4: offspring that are harder, studying, harder, charging, you, more serious
Speaker 4: people than the domestic born population. Therefore, the domestic born
Speaker 4: population has a hard time competing with them. That's not
Speaker 4: to say that these people are superior to Americans, as
Speaker 4: much as like the cultural framework of the first and
Speaker 4: second generation migrant is superior to that of the domestic born.
Speaker 4: Therefore they end up outperforming, which, by the way, is
Speaker 4: a complete annihilation of the thesis that America is racist
Speaker 4: because first and second generation immigrants tend to kick ass here.
Speaker 3: So that's my tech doesn't work. How Come when I
Speaker 3: call a number, I can't get it because I just
Speaker 3: said somebody.
Speaker 4: One point five billion people in India. Not everybody in
Speaker 4: India is great. That's not what I'm arguing. I'm saying
Speaker 4: the the kreme delocratic think about what a sample size
Speaker 4: of the point one percent most intelligent, hardest working, brilliant
Speaker 4: people that come out at a one point five billion.
Speaker 4: Think about how fucking smart those people must be to be.
Speaker 3: So many more Clinton, There's so many more that are I'm.
Speaker 4: Not arguing that all people in India are awesome. That's
Speaker 4: not what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is, though, is that like what he's
Speaker 3: making is this like weird general sweeping term where I'm
Speaker 3: looking at the immigrants that come here and it's like, well,
Speaker 3: look at these these Mexicans. They build a great house.
Speaker 3: No they don't. They suck, they don't. My parents' door
Speaker 3: doesn't closed because they had some fucking Mexican frame it out.
Speaker 3: It's like me say, he's like they're great at volume,
Speaker 3: bad at the details. You know. Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 3: just not quality work. When you look at shit in
Speaker 3: America before and it was like this was quality, It's
Speaker 3: not like that anymore. And you know what, maybe the
Speaker 3: current generation is lazy because yeah, like as we've got
Speaker 3: we've gone through that cycle. But how much of that
Speaker 3: laziness is uh, is because like we maybe maybe the
Speaker 3: I don't know, the upper class got nervous and started
Speaker 3: importing people from the third world because we we're gonna
Speaker 3: need more workers. I don't know. Let these people. Give
Speaker 3: these people a shot, let them Let Americans do what
Speaker 3: they have to do first.
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I look, I actually agree with that that
Speaker 4: last part that like my focus is on Americans, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I am not you know, uh libertarian and globalist type, Like,
Speaker 4: my my interest is in my family, my community, than
Speaker 4: my state, than my country, and then the world like
Speaker 4: concentric circles going outwards.
Speaker 3: Right, this is what Jews do and and it's very smart.
Speaker 3: But you go to Borough Park, they have their own
Speaker 3: pizza shop.
Speaker 4: Anything I can say that, you guys won't type back
Speaker 4: to Jews, keep going.
Speaker 3: It's what I respect about them. It's it's Jews. Black
Speaker 3: people don't do this, which is why their their culture
Speaker 3: is falling apart and why they are the way they are.
Speaker 3: But Jews they'll go to their own Jewish pizza shop,
Speaker 3: garbage pizza, but they'll go and they'll frequent that that
Speaker 3: pizza store and give them business. And it's like even
Speaker 3: though it's not as good, they still buy it. And
Speaker 3: it's not as good, it's called pizza ba. They're doing it.
Speaker 1: They're they're homogenizing their own communities, right, They're they're creating
Speaker 1: a feedback loop.
Speaker 4: There's a imagine Mike the Rapper talks about this all
Speaker 4: the time. It is like like that's what he wants
Speaker 4: to do, he wants to have because they always talk
Speaker 4: about how uh, I forget, what was the Black capital
Speaker 4: of America? Was it Atlanta? U? There was some town, yeah,
Speaker 4: black Wall Street? Where was that? I don't I don't
Speaker 4: remember what it was anyways, So he's saying, we gotta
Speaker 4: support our businesses, we gotta support our community. Like that's
Speaker 4: but here's the problem, and here's here's what I don't
Speaker 4: like about this. And this is kind of controversial, but
Speaker 4: you guys will probably agree white people in America are
Speaker 4: the only ones that don't do that.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say it. You should have just let
Speaker 1: me say it. I'll lie on the blae, I'll go
Speaker 1: to lay on it. Well, I was just gonna say, no,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely correct if that is a smart thing to
Speaker 1: do for the future of your community. But if white
Speaker 1: people engage in that, it's seen as overt racism, right,
Speaker 1: and that is racism.
Speaker 4: It's not hold on, hold on, it's not just seen
Speaker 4: as overt racism, it's illegal because the Civil Rights Act,
Speaker 4: you fucking can't do that.
Speaker 1: So sorry, yeah, I mean no, that's a that's a
Speaker 1: really solid point. And you have to ask yourself too
Speaker 1: when it comes to this. You know, whatever degree of
Speaker 1: representation in high levels of influence, whether or not it's
Speaker 1: engineering or politics, the representation by let's say India for example,
Speaker 1: Now how it happens is open for speculation, but you
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself this question. It's like, we've seen
Speaker 1: what it does on a cultural level, on just a
Speaker 1: civilian level, when you integrate or attempt to integrate vastly
Speaker 1: different cultures into one another, what ends up happening is
Speaker 1: they also homogenize. They become their own little in groups,
Speaker 1: and there is what the result of which is a
Speaker 1: lack in cultural cohesion.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: If you want to talk about the fabric that makes
Speaker 1: up America, the fabric is full of holes because everybody
Speaker 1: is isolated and they're remaining in their own groups. They're
Speaker 1: not integrating with one another. That's we have this illusion
Speaker 1: that that's what happens. But you need only look at
Speaker 1: like Chinatown as an example of that. Like they will
Speaker 1: pull away and they will create their own self sustaining
Speaker 1: in groups where they don't actually have to interact with
Speaker 1: the rest of America at large. That happens on a
Speaker 1: civilian level. What happens when it starts happening on a
Speaker 1: political level and people start bringing over and this is
Speaker 1: always been the issue right with America. But of course
Speaker 1: if you said anything about this, you were racist and intolerant.
Speaker 1: But it's like you have a completely different belief system.
Speaker 2: Give me a second.
Speaker 1: There a completely different belief system that is at odds
Speaker 1: with if you believe this is a Christian nation. And
Speaker 1: not only are they integrating on a civilian level, but
Speaker 1: now they're integrating on a political level, and that you're
Speaker 1: going to see the ramifications of that. You're going to
Speaker 1: see that culture bleed in from above and below now.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that that's good or bad. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying expand on that, where does that lead?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, this is my concern actually, is that because
Speaker 4: white people are the only people that don't do that,
Speaker 4: it does seem as if it's a competitive disadvantage, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're going to lose because you are you are not
Speaker 4: collaborating to look after one another whereas everybody else is.
Speaker 1: And the attempt to do that is, like you said, Clint,
Speaker 1: seen as racism even illegal on a business level exactly.
Speaker 4: So I just want to be very clear, I don't
Speaker 4: want to do that, Like I don't want to because
Speaker 4: I don't identify with all white people and go like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're my brother, Like that's not how I look at
Speaker 4: the world. And unfortunately a lot of other races do
Speaker 4: and I and it's like because I was born into
Speaker 4: that mindset or you know, schooled into it.
Speaker 3: I don't know which.
Speaker 4: I'm very hesitant to go down that line of thinking,
Speaker 4: and I think that it's extraordinarily divisive. But at the
Speaker 4: same time, if you're not going to demand the same
Speaker 4: sort of uh color blind worldview of minorities, well then
Speaker 4: you are you are you are mandating that white people
Speaker 4: start to do the same. And I just like, this
Speaker 4: is going to be a very controversial thing for me
Speaker 4: to say, but I think I'm absolutely fucking right, or
Speaker 4: I would not be saying it. This is how countries
Speaker 4: fall apart, especially a country that's built on diversity. If
Speaker 4: you don't demand the same thing of the minorities as
Speaker 4: you do of the majority, well then you're fucking destroying
Speaker 4: your country. Okay, you can't have different rules for different
Speaker 4: groups of people. That was the whole idea of America
Speaker 4: is that it was going to be you know, like,
Speaker 4: that's the thing.
Speaker 2: You adhere to American culture.
Speaker 1: You're whatever you are second to being an American first, and.
Speaker 4: Justice is blind, but also so are we Like that's
Speaker 4: how that's how we looked at it. Everybody was gonna
Speaker 4: you know, if you work hard, it doesn't matter what
Speaker 4: you look like, doesn't matter what your religion is, doesn't
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter what your sex is. You're gonna fucking
Speaker 4: make it in America if you like, assuming you don't
Speaker 4: have you know, bad luck. That's that is, that is
Speaker 4: dying on the vine because you only apply the rules
Speaker 4: of color blindness to the majority.
Speaker 3: And I just think, I just think.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's actually racist too, because you're permitting minorities
Speaker 4: to treat white people poorly, whereas we would never allow
Speaker 4: for white people to do that in reverse, and in fact,
Speaker 4: we do not allow it.
Speaker 1: White people can't be victims of racism because power structures exactly.
Speaker 1: People who have always had power have always been the
Speaker 1: enforcers of racism, which.
Speaker 3: Is why critical theory is so dangerous. Go ahead, right,
Speaker 3: look at that, like like so take a step back
Speaker 3: from it now, Like we've described the old guard of
Speaker 3: well the government, and I suppose what's supposed to be
Speaker 3: coming in, but it's really more the same, Like if
Speaker 3: these punishments with the blue check mark is actually about it,
Speaker 3: it's the same thing. It's like white people stepping out
Speaker 3: of line. What I saw here was I saw Vivek
Speaker 3: say that his people should get these jobs. He's looking
Speaker 3: out for people that look like him, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I fucking get it. I don't look like you that much.
Speaker 3: But I'm not like you. I'm not Indian, I'm more Indian,
Speaker 3: I identify I'm more American. I identify as Americans. So that's
Speaker 3: my team. But that's if that's your team, and that's
Speaker 3: kind of what you're telling me. Fine, I don't think
Speaker 3: you should be in American politics. Get the fuck out
Speaker 3: of here with that. But that's where you're at.
Speaker 4: I get it.
Speaker 3: On the other hand, you have the enforcement level that's
Speaker 3: slapping these people on the hand taking you took away
Speaker 3: their blue check mark. But that's not the only thing
Speaker 3: that he did that. Elon must say out know, if
Speaker 3: you caught this, you probably did Clint with his new
Speaker 3: feature for the block button, right, oh yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: If basically, if you get blocked by a lot of
Speaker 4: blue checks, you are essentially shadow band.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, yeah, so exactly so. And then he also said,
Speaker 3: like he said a couple of things that are like antagonistic,
Speaker 3: like you can say what you want on here, after
Speaker 3: he got ratio to death by a fifty follower account
Speaker 3: for saying the truth or whatever the truth as that
Speaker 3: person sees it, and everybody else, which is it got
Speaker 3: to hurt Man. You own the platform, You're you're doing
Speaker 3: all this shit, you're moving culture, and then still there's
Speaker 3: still lines you just can't move.
Speaker 1: Elne, you would imagine that you speaking truth to power,
Speaker 1: if power happens to have a blue check mark, would
Speaker 1: rub them the wrong way. You might get blocked by
Speaker 1: a lot of powerful people with blue check marks for
Speaker 1: saying things that make them uncomfortable.
Speaker 2: But that's not a lot you're now.
Speaker 4: And then add to that that, all it requires is
Speaker 4: a foreign government or our own government to have of,
Speaker 4: you know, a bot network of verified accounts that goes
Speaker 4: around suppressing narratives that they don't want to see. Hello,
Speaker 4: you can't fucking do this. This is a terrible idea.
Speaker 4: It should have taken ten seconds for someone to say, Hey,
Speaker 4: this is going to be a problem, don't go down
Speaker 4: this path. But apparently that didn't happen. And I find
Speaker 4: that fascinating, And it does seem as if it's a
Speaker 4: it's a kind of a backdoor way of narrative control,
Speaker 4: which is exactly what Elon has espoused. The you know
Speaker 4: antithesis too so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think engineering culture, that's what I see. I see
Speaker 1: the man selectively engineering culture, moving little things here and
Speaker 1: controlling the flow of dialogue and narratives.
Speaker 4: Well, let's just be honest, though, if you let us
Speaker 4: talk freely, you're not going to be able to control
Speaker 4: the narrative and you're not going to be able to
Speaker 4: control the culture because the like that's why our entire
Speaker 4: sphere has has excelled over the past since Elon bought it,
Speaker 4: which is why I'm so appreciable forty four.
Speaker 1: Do you think that a dude spent forty four billion
Speaker 1: dollars on a platform because of altruism or does he
Speaker 1: seek to be the most powerful man with his finger
Speaker 1: on the culture.
Speaker 3: He brought himself a position in the White House with
Speaker 3: this move.
Speaker 2: Through the lens. We've been looking at him through this
Speaker 2: lens of like what a good guy he is.
Speaker 1: And it's been a lot of fun, and there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of great things that have come about culturally
Speaker 1: and politically because of Elon Musk. But we need to
Speaker 1: get our heads out of our asses in assuming that
Speaker 1: somebody operating on that high le a level with that
Speaker 1: much money at stake, is doing this for our benefit.
Speaker 2: When has that ever happened?
Speaker 4: Well, it's rare. It's basically a John Goldt argument from
Speaker 4: Atla shrug that he's doing it to the benefit of humanity.
Speaker 4: And look, I am a believer in liberty and I
Speaker 4: as a billionaire, I would do shit like this. So
Speaker 4: it's not outside of the realm of possibility that someone
Speaker 4: with my worldview would rise to the highest level of
Speaker 4: wealth and do something like that. But that is not
Speaker 4: me saying that that's what this guy is.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Also, that's not saying that you'd be able to execute
Speaker 1: that that other powerful people wouldn't stand in your way.
Speaker 2: And you know, say something.
Speaker 4: Because of my best I almost certainly wouldn't be able
Speaker 4: to do what Elon has done because because I am
Speaker 4: a danger like.
Speaker 1: No, I want to go back to this idea where
Speaker 1: we're talking about what happens when there's a overrepresentation on
Speaker 1: a civilian level and a political level. The huge problem
Speaker 1: with that isn't necessarily that we're all gonna be worshiping Shiva,
Speaker 1: because that was a lot of the thing, right, It's
Speaker 1: like they're gonna come here and next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: Christianity's gonna be out the window. We're gonna be worshiping
Speaker 1: some other deity from some other foreign country. I don't
Speaker 1: think that that's necessarily the issue here. I think that
Speaker 1: the issue is what's become glaringly obvious obvious to us
Speaker 1: over the past four to five years. There are major
Speaker 1: players who seek to subvert our country, who have ill
Speaker 1: will towards you know, our principles, our values, our morals,
Speaker 1: as as a country as a unit. If you have this,
Speaker 1: you know, cultural fabric, and it's filled with all of
Speaker 1: these holes, and those holes being the lack of cohesion
Speaker 1: from one culture to a next. That is just areas
Speaker 1: for these people who seek to subvert us to stick
Speaker 1: their fingers in and start tearing at that lack of
Speaker 1: cohesion is hugely dangerous because then we cannot act as
Speaker 1: one sound mind, with one shared set of principles, one
Speaker 1: shared sort of set of values and more.
Speaker 3: That's how you don't create it. That's how you create
Speaker 3: a generation of people who don't have much hope, who
Speaker 3: aren't great workers, who aren't building the things that their
Speaker 3: fathers have built. You start with this bullshit, You start
Speaker 3: tearing at the fabric of society and what they they're
Speaker 3: doing it now like that that Kim Kardashian video McCaulay
Speaker 3: culkin at the end, he's the guy that's strange, basically
Speaker 3: filmed this Kubrick style, the eyes Wide Shut party. Mufasa,
Speaker 3: you have the Mufasa now in that new movie that
Speaker 3: they released, he seems to be the bad guy and
Speaker 3: Scar seems to be the good guy. So like the
Speaker 3: narrative of like these stories that we've been told are
Speaker 3: flipped on their head and then they look back at
Speaker 3: us and they go, well, what now you know the
Speaker 3: guy that you believed in is now the bad guy.
Speaker 3: It's like that, what if we switch these and it's
Speaker 3: like you're just doing that and p Diddy, same shit,
Speaker 3: all idol.
Speaker 4: I gotta I gotta point this out sim with Michael Jackson.
Speaker 4: I gotta point this out. That is critical theory. That's
Speaker 4: exactly what they've done to the foundation of America. They
Speaker 4: say that the founders weren't you know, beautiful freedom fighting revolutionaries.
Speaker 4: They were in fact, fucking slaveholders and that's all they were.
Speaker 4: They not talk about, you will not talk about the
Speaker 4: good aspect. But this is what I'm saying with Mufasa,
Speaker 4: is that you, you're flipping the roles. You're saying the
Speaker 4: hero is the good guy and the villain is the Clinton.
Speaker 3: These people, these people demons. And I'm not saying, like
Speaker 3: you know, any racial type, but no, I'm just saying
Speaker 3: they're literal demons. They're I think they're in contact with entities.
Speaker 3: They can't recreate. They can only tell you the same
Speaker 3: story and perverted. They've been doing it, invert and pervert
Speaker 3: and then it has by I mean, it's a profound
Speaker 3: effect if they keep playing the same move, like why
Speaker 3: would you change it? But I'm onto you guys.
Speaker 1: Look look, man, even even all the conspiracy stuff aside,
Speaker 1: Like I said, without cohesion in that fabric, there's just
Speaker 1: a million opportunity to set people against each other. Here's
Speaker 1: a little fire I can start because there's a hole,
Speaker 1: there's a gap in their game. It's like all of
Speaker 1: its holes in our game. And if there's too many holes,
Speaker 1: there's too many advantages for those who.
Speaker 2: Seek to subvert us.
Speaker 1: And if you don't think that there are powerful groups
Speaker 1: out there that seek to subvert us, I don't know
Speaker 1: where the fuck you've been for the past five years.
Speaker 4: Well, no, there's obviously you know, powerful interests that would
Speaker 4: love to subvert us. And and here's the problem. If
Speaker 4: you have too cohesive of a unit of a population,
Speaker 4: well then you're probably going to figure out who's really
Speaker 4: running shit, because whoever's going against the cohesive unit will
Speaker 4: be will be instantly perceived as a threat. In this case,
Speaker 4: that would be the intelligencies, the military industrial complex, the government,
Speaker 4: foreign governments, whatever. So what how do you stop us
Speaker 4: from coming together to identify that, Well, you make us
Speaker 4: fight each other.
Speaker 1: And that's that's we all become the spider Man meme
Speaker 1: where we're all just pointing out.
Speaker 4: Exactly at the right. And this is what I was
Speaker 4: just going to say, that's exactly what's happening with this
Speaker 4: H one B debate.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: I am of the opinion that, like I'm not going
Speaker 4: to say every time there's a division within a movement
Speaker 4: that's necessarily an op or necessarily a bad thing. I
Speaker 4: think this is a debate that needs to happen. It's
Speaker 4: it's going to test the the cohesion of this new
Speaker 4: right wing dissident movement, which consists of all the way
Speaker 4: from hardline white nationalists to libertarian you know nationalists. Like
Speaker 4: there's there's a very wide range of people, including some
Speaker 4: dissident Democrats, you know, the RFK junior camp. So it's
Speaker 4: like a big tent.
Speaker 3: It's like a libertarian big tent, but it's a it's
Speaker 3: a really big tent.
Speaker 4: Man. So naturally there's gonna be real disagreements, and this
Speaker 4: was naturally going to happen. I think that the timing
Speaker 4: of it's interesting. I think that before Trump even gets
Speaker 4: in the White House makes me go, like, wow, where
Speaker 4: the fuck did this come from? On Christmas Day? Or
Speaker 4: tearing each other's throats apart because of the H one B's,
Speaker 4: Like really, so, I don't know how to read it
Speaker 4: at this point, but I am of the opinion that
Speaker 4: I like open debate and I like contentious arguments, and
Speaker 4: I think a lot of this has been really high level.
Speaker 4: I've actually learned a lot, Like I didn't know about
Speaker 4: the caps on H one b's. In fact, I had
Speaker 4: to delete a tweet yesterday because I asked Grock lied
Speaker 4: to me. It gave me the applications as opposed to
Speaker 4: the actual accepted which is apparently capped at eighty five
Speaker 4: thousand per year. Anyways, let me give a little bit
Speaker 4: of background for this. So there's oh ones, which is
Speaker 4: the highest level of athletic achievement, intellectual business whatever. These
Speaker 4: are the fucking these are the superstars that I personally,
Speaker 4: you guys may disagree. I personally want them wherever they're
Speaker 4: fucking at. I would love for them and become Americans.
Speaker 4: I want to brain drain the rest of the world.
Speaker 4: I think that gives America the best chance of competing
Speaker 4: in the next generation, the next century. I think that,
Speaker 4: particularly because I think the AI race is so important.
Speaker 4: You definitely want to fucking take the smartest people and
Speaker 4: bring them over here, especially if we're headed to war.
Speaker 4: You want to have the fucking smartest people operation paid
Speaker 4: to clip right exactly.
Speaker 3: Let me just say this though, I will I want
Speaker 3: to put an asterisk on that. You said, I want
Speaker 3: them to become Americans. That's super important. But yes, look
Speaker 3: at America. What is America. There's no cohesive culture. So
Speaker 3: when they come, yeah, there's no loyalty from you know
Speaker 3: them to us. They're just here collecting a check and
Speaker 3: using our economy and then who knows what.
Speaker 4: You're You're absolutely right, and this is the point that
Speaker 4: I was making earlier, is that if you don't demand
Speaker 4: of minorities, which includes immigrants. Obviously they would naturally be
Speaker 4: a minority. If you don't demand of them the same
Speaker 4: thing you do of the majority the domestic born Americans,
Speaker 4: and particularly domestic born white people, well then you are
Speaker 4: asking for trouble. So I am of the opinion that, yes,
Speaker 4: I am not opposed to all immigration. I think that
Speaker 4: that what has made America special is that it is
Speaker 4: it is, you know, trend setting, just lunatics that are
Speaker 4: willing to go out and do something that very few
Speaker 4: people on Earth would be willing to do, which is
Speaker 4: leave their their country and travel thousands of miles across
Speaker 4: the ocean, particularly before fucking air travel existed. These people
Speaker 4: were lunatics. My great grandfather was a fucking savage. I
Speaker 4: don't know what the hell he was thinking. I would
Speaker 4: have never done that. That's like crazy shit to do. Yeah,
Speaker 4: totally totally uncozy, But then again he was I think
Speaker 4: he was fleeing Germany during World War One, so it
Speaker 4: probably made sense. But anyway, it less cozy, so so
Speaker 4: much less cozy than me.
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny though, Clint, Because it's like the thing
Speaker 1: that you're asking is very reasonable on its face, but
Speaker 1: we've been recently handed this like engineered culture that took a.
Speaker 2: Long time to engineer by the way.
Speaker 1: It was engineered by politics, it was engineered by the
Speaker 1: feminist movement, it was engineered by Hollywood and everything else
Speaker 1: that's been just feeding us this this garbage to the
Speaker 1: point where a very reasonable ask is now determined to
Speaker 1: be racist.
Speaker 3: That's a recess why. It's also why I jumped. I
Speaker 3: didn't really jump down Vivextro or elon because I was
Speaker 3: busy on Christmas Day doing something else a lot more fun.
Speaker 3: But it's it is the reason why when when you
Speaker 3: see these things like this is my knee jerk reaction,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what the Like when I hear people
Speaker 3: using the soda language, I'm like, what are you getting at?
Speaker 3: What are you getting at? Because I underneath this, like
Speaker 3: I've seen this kind of ploy before and at the
Speaker 3: end of it it's usually some kind of weird sy
Speaker 3: oup from the left, So where are you.
Speaker 1: I also don't like the demoralizing language. It's like, have
Speaker 1: we not beaten down white American men enough for the past,
Speaker 1: you know, half a decade or something like that, Like
Speaker 1: it's gotten to the point where it's disgusting and it's
Speaker 1: given rise to if there ever was a time where
Speaker 1: racism in America was a trope, it wasn't real, right,
Speaker 1: it was like, you're we went through this period of
Speaker 1: time not long ago where we were so overusing a
Speaker 1: word that it deluded the actual cases of like real
Speaker 1: vicious racism, right, And.
Speaker 3: So twergan at tonight nine to eleven.
Speaker 1: You're into that, but now it's it's just gotten to
Speaker 1: the point where that word means nothing anymore, and we're
Speaker 1: still beating white dudes over the head with it. And
Speaker 1: now here comes this guy who can I paraphrase, seems
Speaker 1: to be more or less saying the reason we are
Speaker 1: winning is because you are not good.
Speaker 4: That's what it seems like. Look, I understand why that
Speaker 4: would be offensive, but that has been the conservative argument
Speaker 4: four years that basically academia is churning out subpar midwits
Speaker 4: that think that they're fucking awesome and they're useless. And
Speaker 4: let me tell you, as someone who used to run
Speaker 4: a company, that's true. The vast majority of young people
Speaker 4: are fucking terrible.
Speaker 1: That's funny because academia is also pumping out that forementioned
Speaker 1: culture that we just described that was the epicenter of it.
Speaker 4: But but there is merit to his argument. I think
Speaker 4: the reason that people are rejecting it is because he
Speaker 4: is Indian American. Yes, and he is just a bad
Speaker 4: messenger for that particular message. But it is true and
Speaker 4: every conservative has said this forever, is that you have
Speaker 4: all these people that now rule over us, these fucking
Speaker 4: midwin class that comes out and enters hr and enters
Speaker 4: the government. But they come out of Ivy League school,
Speaker 4: so they think that they're fucking brilliant, but they have
Speaker 4: been poisoned. Their minds are poisoned, and they are not
Speaker 4: capable of actually contributing to a functioning, growing civilization. In fact,
Speaker 4: they are destructive. They're in their in their core, they
Speaker 4: have imbibed of Marxist ideology and critical theory, and they're
Speaker 4: now fucking a danger to the rest of us. So
Speaker 4: this is why I actually oppose Donald Trump's position, which
Speaker 4: is funny because the people that are most upset with
Speaker 4: vague also are just usually lionized and and you know
Speaker 4: or love Donald Trump. He came out six months ago
Speaker 4: and said he wants to staple a green card to
Speaker 4: every you know, college degree for any immigrant that comes
Speaker 4: here and gets that education, and I'm just like, fuck that,
Speaker 4: I want to deport the people that go to Harvard.
Speaker 4: And I'm not talking about immigrants. I'm saying American born.
Speaker 4: They are probably the most dangerous people in this country.
Speaker 4: So I just think that that My concern is that
Speaker 4: the the alt right, dissident right, nick Fuent does circle
Speaker 4: they are not focused enough on the underlying problems domestically
Speaker 4: as much as they are the border. Like they and
Speaker 4: I understand the concerns of the border, and I'm not
Speaker 4: saying that they're wrong to have them, especially when you
Speaker 4: have fucking ten to twenty million people come in a
Speaker 4: single presidential term. That's insane. But they do not harp
Speaker 4: nearly enough on the fact that domestic born Americans, including
Speaker 4: white people, are crazy people and they can't possibly excel
Speaker 4: and they can't contri contribute to the civilization because they
Speaker 4: have been brought up through public school and then put
Speaker 4: through academia which is controlled by Marxist and they fucking
Speaker 4: come out at the other end useless, and no one
Speaker 4: talks about that.
Speaker 3: Thank God, They're only taking minorities in these higher positions
Speaker 3: now because they'll they'll start coming out retarded. But it
Speaker 3: gives me a little bit of hope. And it's like
Speaker 3: a weird racist hope, right because I think An Coulter
Speaker 3: said it about the vec Roam Swam say, hell, you'll
Speaker 3: never be president. She told me to his face, like.
Speaker 4: She said, I would not vote for you because you're Indian.
Speaker 3: And she's right, and she's and she's one hundred percent
Speaker 3: right now. The guy is a smooth talker. He has
Speaker 3: great hair, like real high up but real nice hair.
Speaker 3: I mean, he's got it all. But the fact is is,
Speaker 3: like you have this different look. So Donald Trump comes
Speaker 3: and says basically the same thing that you're saying. But
Speaker 3: I don't want to hear from I don't want to
Speaker 3: hear it from the vek Ramaswami. Either change your name
Speaker 3: to something more English and maybe it would go do it.
Speaker 3: It's just true. There, aren't you glad? If his name
Speaker 3: was Vick Johnson, I think you'd probably be cool. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And aren't you glad? That's but that's a survival instinct,
Speaker 3: whatever survival instinct that was beat out of us in
Speaker 3: the last ten years, there's still some left. So when
Speaker 3: I see these people even though they're like far on
Speaker 3: the right and there are annoying their gropers. A lot
Speaker 3: of these like white supremacists. I'm like, thank god something
Speaker 3: because the line, yeah, some hold the line like you
Speaker 3: guys go a little too far. But like before we were,
Speaker 3: we were doing the opposite and just giving up. And
Speaker 3: I'm not white. I don't really have a dog in
Speaker 3: this fight, but I am American, and I think that
Speaker 3: in the end that that majority that is America is
Speaker 3: kind of like what it's supposed to be.
Speaker 4: This this is the point that Myron gains a fresh
Speaker 4: and fit was he makes regularly, but he was also
Speaker 4: making on the spaces I was on last night another spaces.
Speaker 4: I was on I don't know what I'm doing.
Speaker 3: With my life, guys Spaces. But but you know, he's I.
Speaker 4: Don't remember which nation his relatives come from, but I think, no, no,
Speaker 4: his dad fed don't I don't know, but he's uh,
Speaker 4: you know, black American whatever. But he's saying basically like
Speaker 4: I need white people to keep this country together, like
Speaker 4: y'all are the majority, and I want, like I love
Speaker 4: America because of that, and I want to keep it
Speaker 4: that way. That's his argument, Like and I think he's sincere.
Speaker 4: I just wanted to point out real quick that, like
Speaker 4: I think that the the the Graper thing, the white
Speaker 4: nationalist thing is all a natural consequence of It's a
Speaker 4: it's a total reaction to the system as it has
Speaker 4: existed for the past twenty years. Yes, so I what
Speaker 4: bothers me is that every one's so mad at Flint
Speaker 4: as it's kind of like being mad at Trump.
Speaker 3: Now they think about it, It's like.
Speaker 2: Trump is a natural solution.
Speaker 4: He's a symptom. He's not a disease. There you go,
Speaker 4: this is not the disease. He's a symptom of it.
Speaker 4: Do you will not understand this? It's that you shamed
Speaker 4: young whites man what I am for decades.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be here as a symptom. But with more conviction.
Speaker 3: You've created you know, in a very small sense. But
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be doing this, and neither would you. Clint.
Speaker 3: The culture created this. This is your fault. If you
Speaker 3: don't like it. Sorry, that's a great point. I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be a political commentsator if you didn't lock
Speaker 4: down the fucking country.
Speaker 3: You idiots, there is you've created me. Don't play anything.
Speaker 1: Strange about this, and when I see something strange, I
Speaker 1: get a weird vibe. I have to put on the
Speaker 1: conspiracy hat. It's the only thing that I could do
Speaker 1: in these instances. And when I look back at the
Speaker 1: way that Twitter has moved this cultural conversation to me,
Speaker 1: it has this thing that doesn't quite feel organic. And
Speaker 1: we've already explored this idea of whether or not Elon
Speaker 1: Musk is kind of putting his finger on the scale
Speaker 1: one way or another.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine he's not. It would be why wouldn't you.
Speaker 1: So it wasn't long ago that Twitter was on fire
Speaker 1: because of India. It wasn't long ago that that account
Speaker 1: Barry was going hyper viral daily to the point where
Speaker 1: he got his account removed, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Indians started working together and creating discord groups where they
Speaker 1: were trying to take down accounts. They were taking down
Speaker 1: LEONARDA Joni's account. It was one of the most viral
Speaker 1: things that gripped Twitter for about a week. And now
Speaker 1: look where this conversation is gone. I'm sorry, dude, that
Speaker 1: doesn't feel and I'm not saying I have an answer
Speaker 1: for that. That does not feel organic. Look what we
Speaker 1: just went through with Barry and the virality.
Speaker 3: It feels like it feels like so he had like
Speaker 3: now that you're that's very conspiracy and very meta. But
Speaker 3: it's like we've created this emotion. And also just the videos.
Speaker 3: I mean I shared the videos like put your hand
Speaker 3: in my food. Go ahead, put your hand in my food,
Speaker 3: but like they'd be doing this.
Speaker 2: It's great Black Twitter.
Speaker 1: Black Twitter found out about India and I have been
Speaker 1: having such a good time watching black people make fun
Speaker 1: of streets.
Speaker 3: It's the greatest shape. This is a decade old battle.
Speaker 3: This goes back. I mean it's a couple of years. Yeah,
Speaker 3: black people. I just discovered recently. It's so funny.
Speaker 4: Oh two years ago there was you know, it smells
Speaker 4: crazy in there, and it was like it was a gang.
Speaker 3: War between India and African Americans.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 3: But that I don't feel like the culture has created
Speaker 3: this or pushed this in some sort of way. And
Speaker 3: it's I mean, it's hilarious. It's got all the viral potentiality,
Speaker 3: and it was allowed to go viral and then it
Speaker 3: was allowed to stay up there. Now we have been
Speaker 3: presented this argument almost it makes me feel like like
Speaker 3: a double switch, like they want us to choose the
Speaker 3: America first kind of argument. The response from Elon, I
Speaker 3: don't get it. I think the response from Elon might not.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's more about people disagreeing with him.
Speaker 3: I think it's about the way that they did. I
Speaker 3: don't think he's ever been through this. And there is
Speaker 3: a sort of mental stress that you get when you're
Speaker 3: on Twitter, especially if you're addicted to it, and then
Speaker 3: you get dog piled like and sucks. Yeah, it sucks. Now,
Speaker 3: it sucks. I've never been wrong, but I have been
Speaker 3: dog piled. Me too, never go wrong, but I've been
Speaker 3: done piled and I don't like it. It's like I
Speaker 3: put the phone down and I'll walk away for the
Speaker 3: rest of the day because I'm like, this is I
Speaker 3: know how it works. It'll blow over. But it's just
Speaker 3: like I can't look at it right now because it's
Speaker 3: like it's literal mental anguish.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and if you engage with it, which Elon
Speaker 4: was and did, Yeah, it is. It is backbreaking, especially
Speaker 4: if you're used to being really beloved, which Elon by
Speaker 4: and large on X is, and also the VEC is too.
Speaker 4: This is really the first time that the Veke has
Speaker 4: had any pushback or significant pushback in the broader I
Speaker 4: mean there's fringe pushback obviously, but I was I was
Speaker 4: amazed by her. Let me, let me just keep wrap
Speaker 4: up this tweet from him, because I want people to
Speaker 4: understand the full story. So he says, fact, oh, fact,
Speaker 4: I know multiple sets of immigrant parents in the nineties
Speaker 4: who actively limited how much their kids could watch those
Speaker 4: TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity, and their kids
Speaker 4: went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates. This is
Speaker 4: where it gets. I mean, it's it's already kind off
Speaker 4: the rails with these Nighties references, but this is where
Speaker 4: I lost it. He says, more movies like Whiplash, fewer
Speaker 4: reruns of Friends. Well one, yeah, Friends.
Speaker 2: I do agree with that.
Speaker 3: I agree with that, But have you guys seen Whiplash.
Speaker 2: I loved it. I thought it was tremendous. It's a
Speaker 2: great movie. It's a great movie.
Speaker 3: But but just keep in mind what it is.
Speaker 4: It's a guy who's pathologically obsessed with learning how to
Speaker 4: drum if I if I remember correctly, and he's like
Speaker 4: a car crash.
Speaker 3: Like I'm just saying autistic Yeah, what fucking year does
Speaker 3: this guy think it is?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It is weird. The references are strange.
Speaker 2: What's going on?
Speaker 3: He's talking about a better time.
Speaker 1: Really, it's like he maxed out all the information in
Speaker 1: that long cranium back in like twenty and sixteen, and
Speaker 1: that was pretty much hit for him.
Speaker 2: There's no more room for anything else.
Speaker 4: He says, more math, tutoring, fewer sleepovers. He's definitely not
Speaker 4: living in this generation because, as far as I can tell,
Speaker 4: I don't think kids are doing sleepovers. I don't think
Speaker 4: that's right with each other at all. That's actually my problem.
Speaker 2: My kids, friends parents are going to try and transom
Speaker 2: he's not having top overs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is this is what I'm saying, Like, I
Speaker 4: don't think kids play outside. I don't think they have sleepovers.
Speaker 4: I think he's talking about Like, I don't know, this
Speaker 4: is not the generation we're talking about anyways. He goes
Speaker 4: more weekend science competition's, fewer Saturday morning cartoons, more books,
Speaker 4: less TV, more creating, less chilling, more extracurriculars, less hanging
Speaker 4: out at the mall.
Speaker 3: Can No one hangs out at the fucking mall, but
Speaker 3: I want to.
Speaker 1: I want to let me interject for a second here.
Speaker 1: This was the worst possible game plan from a dude
Speaker 1: who was wildly intellectual and seemingly has his finger on
Speaker 1: the cultural pulse. To then attack nostalgia as if that
Speaker 1: was going to work out is an insane move.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's basically describing Stranger Things and saying
Speaker 4: Stranger Things sucked, and it's like, no Stranger.
Speaker 3: Things, Stranger Things for Kids was awesome. He should reply,
Speaker 3: You should reply to me like Stranger Things was a
Speaker 3: great series.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this feels weird.
Speaker 1: Though to me, it just feels like a really a
Speaker 1: wild miscalculation, one that even I wouldn't make. It's like,
Speaker 1: I would never think that it would be a good
Speaker 1: idea to attack the things that are I analogic to
Speaker 1: a people.
Speaker 4: But but you're right, and obviously, like he's lost some
Speaker 4: he expended political capital with that message, and he lost
Speaker 4: some support. There is a lot of people that now
Speaker 4: really don't like for VIC. I'm not one of them.
Speaker 4: I still think at the core of it, the argument
Speaker 4: he's making is valid that if you want America to
Speaker 4: win the next century, you're going to need to continue
Speaker 4: the practices that brought in the best of the brightest
Speaker 4: that the world has to offer in order to do so.
Speaker 4: That does not mean that I want to continue with
Speaker 4: h one bs. I think the ones are awesome because
Speaker 4: they are truly hard to get. These are the Victor women, Yama's,
Speaker 4: the fucking seven foot five freaks that come across and
Speaker 4: they totally revolutionize the basketball game or the NBA that like,
Speaker 4: I want all of those people to become Americans. I
Speaker 4: think it's fucking fantastic. The the h one bs seem
Speaker 4: to be a kind of a convenient workaround for what
Speaker 4: amounts to indentured servitude that these these like middling Indian
Speaker 4: do to Chinese people. They get a job with a
Speaker 4: corporation that if they lose that job, they're deported. So
Speaker 4: these people are They work endless hours, they get paid
Speaker 4: doug shit, and that's like.
Speaker 2: It's just a risk getting fired at all, and.
Speaker 4: You can't risk getting fired or else you get ejected
Speaker 4: back into your third world country. And you're like, I
Speaker 4: don't want that to happen, So I'm gonna do yes, boss.
Speaker 4: I'll work fucking twenty hours a week. I'll sleep on
Speaker 4: my lunch.
Speaker 3: You know, the fucker's out of here, get them out
Speaker 3: of here. Like again, I agree, I agree what you're saying.
Speaker 3: I agree with what he's saying. I think he's saying
Speaker 3: it with a brown face, so that's why it doesn't
Speaker 3: go over and I don't like it. But yeah, get
Speaker 3: these guys if they're middle of the middle of the
Speaker 3: tier people like, get the fuck out of here. If
Speaker 3: you're if you're elite, yeah, I understand making an exception
Speaker 3: for you and the white people saying like no, no
Speaker 3: is no. I'll say no is no. But then yeah,
Speaker 3: obviously we're if we're presented with a star player, you're like,
Speaker 3: but come on, like, we'll change the rules a little bit.
Speaker 4: Do you not want Victor Victor Webban Yama to be
Speaker 4: an American this French freak. Yes, of course you do.
Speaker 4: It's bad that we've got to give you.
Speaker 3: Gotta give the American kids a shot, like to do
Speaker 3: these menial jobs. They're just base like button pushers. You know,
Speaker 3: that's what these people are doing. They're showing up for
Speaker 3: work and button pushing and anything special.
Speaker 4: The biggest, the biggest problem in this I've I've made
Speaker 4: this argument before to open borders libertarians, and they will
Speaker 4: not hear me on it, but I'm absolutely fucking right.
Speaker 4: A legal immigration destroyed entry level jobs for American born kids.
Speaker 4: They destroyed it. You do not see fucking any people
Speaker 4: like everybody I knew in high school. Everybody worked fast food,
Speaker 4: We worked the grocery stores, we were getting the cars
Speaker 4: gas station. All of us did. This generation almost none
Speaker 4: of them do. And it's like, you don't think that's
Speaker 4: a fucking problem. You don't think that that work ethic
Speaker 4: that you formulate when you're a young adult, that carries
Speaker 4: on that that teaches you not just work ethic, but
Speaker 4: also jobs you don't want to have. So you can
Speaker 4: kind of reorient as you're going to college and be like, hey,
Speaker 4: do I want to fucking work with my mind or
Speaker 4: do I want to you know, hammer shit for that.
Speaker 4: I don't know what like push you don't have. If
Speaker 4: you don't have that first step on the ladder, you
Speaker 4: are fucking dooming these kids. And that's exactly what we've
Speaker 4: done for the past twenty years, as we've allowed for
Speaker 4: increasing illegal immigration year after year. And I as maybe
Speaker 4: these people aren't from California and they haven't seen it,
Speaker 4: but I'm telling you it has completely absorbed ninety percent
Speaker 4: of entry level jobs in these in these states that
Speaker 4: are especially border states.
Speaker 3: It's it's a tragedy for a guy with with the
Speaker 3: with the brown face and a red dot. So then
Speaker 3: look and say it's because Boy Meets World is insulting.
Speaker 3: It's like, wells from years of this policy. Yes, sure
Speaker 3: the culture does contribute to this in some sort of way,
Speaker 3: but that's like the sprinkling on the cake, and we
Speaker 3: take this.
Speaker 4: I think to uh David's point, it's like if he
Speaker 4: had if he had really emphasized, which I think he
Speaker 4: should have, was that the latter has been pulled up
Speaker 4: for a huge percentage of young white men in this country,
Speaker 4: and they happen to be the majority, or at least
Speaker 4: the you know, plurality demographic.
Speaker 3: It's still young white men in America. And you've just said.
Speaker 4: Fuck you, you're a racist and you're the problem, and
Speaker 4: you're basically the bane of our existence as a country.
Speaker 4: And then and then, oh, you don't get married, you
Speaker 4: don't have kids, Oh you don't make as much money
Speaker 4: as your father did or your parents did. You're such
Speaker 4: a failure in every regard. But here's the reality. The
Speaker 4: latter was pulled up because of DEEI policies and affirmative
Speaker 4: action policies that made college admittance more challenging, that made
Speaker 4: getting into corporate America more challenging. And it's like you've
Speaker 4: put road stops in front of them every step of
Speaker 4: their lives, and then you go, why aren't you as
Speaker 4: good as your parents? And they have to look in
Speaker 4: the mirror and say if they're not, you know, if
Speaker 4: they don't understand how the system has been manipulated. Many
Speaker 4: of them say, I don't know why why am I
Speaker 4: not doing as well as my dad did?
Speaker 3: And that hurts.
Speaker 4: That hurts any young man that wants to achieve what
Speaker 4: their parents did before them. And it's like you think
Speaker 4: that they're gonna just eat that, Like sure, some of
Speaker 4: them eat it and they become suicidal, or others go
Speaker 4: the other direction. They go fuck you and they figure out,
Speaker 4: you know, all of the shenanigans that have been played
Speaker 4: to actually hurt them and put them at a deficit,
Speaker 4: and then they become grapers. And it's like, this is
Speaker 4: my point is that if you don't actually just be
Speaker 4: honest about this stuff, if you don't stop the shame
Speaker 4: game of oh, I can't believe that you're this white
Speaker 4: nationalist shit. It's like, if you don't actually deal with
Speaker 4: what created this phenomenon, well it's only going to grow
Speaker 4: and that and that feeds directly into the system that
Speaker 4: the state is actually trying to work against, which is
Speaker 4: bigger three letter agencies, bigger spying, bigger you know, gun crackdowns,
Speaker 4: speech crackdowns, censorship. It's like, you don't want any of that,
Speaker 4: right I don't, So how about we deal with the
Speaker 4: underlying problems that is creating the issue that is allowing
Speaker 4: for the state to metastasize, So I'll get off my mind.
Speaker 1: Well instead, now we're in this in this place where
Speaker 1: the sort of the stage has been set. There was
Speaker 1: kindling and now we've got a full blown fire. And
Speaker 1: that kindling was like all of this resentment of a
Speaker 1: racial variety, right for all the reasons that you just mentioned,
Speaker 1: that was sort of boiling up underneath the American cultural surface.
Speaker 1: And now I feel like we're in this place where
Speaker 1: you know, I know, I keep alluding to it and
Speaker 1: you have to forgive me. It's there's something wrong with me,
Speaker 1: But I go it looks to me as though this
Speaker 1: really promising kindling was effectively set a flame by these
Speaker 1: little cultural moments along the way, and where we are
Speaker 1: now it feels like this whole India conversation like India
Speaker 1: just you know, got a nail in the coffin because
Speaker 1: we were already in this place. For those of you
Speaker 1: who are on Twitter, where I guess you could say
Speaker 1: the noticing was like at this all time high. And
Speaker 1: over the past year, I've really gotten this this sensation
Speaker 1: that so much of the big cultural movement moments, especially
Speaker 1: the ones of the racial variety are are there were
Speaker 1: organic in the sense that they've been growing. The sentiments
Speaker 1: have been growing and developing for some time. But the
Speaker 1: moments that have taken off don't feel organic to me.
Speaker 1: They feel like somebody taking advantage of this kindling having
Speaker 1: existed previously. And so I look at this as I
Speaker 1: don't think it's a joke. Man, I'm not screwing around
Speaker 1: when I say this big Barry conversation and where it
Speaker 1: was going only two months ago something like that. It
Speaker 1: was gripping Twitter. It was like you would wake up
Speaker 1: and you would go, oh no, what did India do?
Speaker 1: And the we've seen the way memes and virality affect
Speaker 1: the culture, and we need to be looking at Twitter
Speaker 1: x as much fun as we're having there very skeptically
Speaker 1: because I think it is manufacturing high level cultural movements.
Speaker 1: It's adding the straw to the camel's back, if you will.
Speaker 1: That's all that it has to do well.
Speaker 4: And I'm just trying to, I guess, identify the existing
Speaker 4: straw that's on the camel's back already and being like
Speaker 4: I'm not interested in having this camel collapse. And it's
Speaker 4: like the camel is the country. Sorry I'm playing off
Speaker 4: this analogy way too.
Speaker 2: Much, but the camel is the country.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and if these Indians keep coming here, it's
Speaker 1: gonna become camel country.
Speaker 2: Now I'm sorry, I'm just they.
Speaker 3: Don't even have camels raise.
Speaker 4: But anyways, I think this is like I'm genuinely concerned,
Speaker 4: and I think that's that at the end of the day.
Speaker 4: That's really why I do these Twitter spaces is to
Speaker 4: understand the pulse a little bit better because like, I
Speaker 4: don't have this worldview. I am not a white nationalist,
Speaker 4: like I'm not, but I really do understand the phenomenon,
Speaker 4: like when you have black people that basically sound like
Speaker 4: white nationalists from the nineteen eighties, like Myron Gaines does.
Speaker 4: He sounds he sounds like David Duke or some shit.
Speaker 4: It's like this is a this is a phenomenon that
Speaker 4: is not it's no longer racial either, Like this is
Speaker 4: just a young American man thing like they are seeing
Speaker 4: that they are being replaced. I know I can't say that,
Speaker 4: but that's that's how they feel. And if you don't
Speaker 4: fucking if you don't deal with their concerns, young men
Speaker 4: are the most dangerous people in any culture, anytime, all
Speaker 4: over the world. That's just fucking reality. And if you're
Speaker 4: going to abandon them and shame them and disenfranchise them
Speaker 4: and then and then.
Speaker 1: Tell them that their childhood is the reason for why
Speaker 1: they suck today everything that they loved from, I.
Speaker 3: Think that's a huge mistake by Veck. I don't think
Speaker 3: he meant it that way. Again, he's right in his message,
Speaker 3: just like you got to know when you can say it.
Speaker 3: I know what I can say and what I can't say,
Speaker 3: and what people will be mad at because of how
Speaker 3: I'm representing myself. That's kind of tone deaf for somebody
Speaker 3: who should know a little bit better. But yeah to
Speaker 3: the Ron Gaines thing these and this is a like
Speaker 3: a peak Conyonis thing I have. But Merry Christmas. This
Speaker 3: has been like three years since he docks you. But
Speaker 3: he said, he said one thing, and I'll never forget.
Speaker 3: He's like the empire's collapsing. Start building what you want
Speaker 3: to see in its stead. And the guy like my,
Speaker 3: a guy like Myrone Gaines and uh Andrew Tate. We
Speaker 3: talk about this a lot, this red pill movement. They're
Speaker 3: building this thing. They've they've successfully seen what's wrong with men.
Speaker 3: They've positioned themselves in a way to say, follow me,
Speaker 3: young young disassociated men or disaffected men, and we're going
Speaker 3: to move in this direction. And the direction they're going,
Speaker 3: young men, you don't want to go in that direction.
Speaker 1: It's a huge problem because it is it's a it's
Speaker 1: a power vacuum that's been created and something needed to
Speaker 1: fill that weight, something needed to step in its place.
Speaker 1: And I think the most damaging thing stepped in its place,
Speaker 1: and it's this idea that men need to be with
Speaker 1: a high rim of women, and men need to be
Speaker 1: driving bugattis. They need to be shirtless at a long table,
Speaker 1: eating dinner nightly with a bunch of other shirtless men
Speaker 1: smoking cigars.
Speaker 3: That's all wrong.
Speaker 2: It's all wrong.
Speaker 1: Can we just roll back to take responsibility? Try to
Speaker 1: make your community better, try to better yourself, find someone,
Speaker 1: love someone, raise a child, raise a family, contribute to society,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe strengthen your relationship with God if you
Speaker 1: believe you are having a creator.
Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is why, this is why
Speaker 3: I love this.
Speaker 4: Uh, I don't know this just being able to analyze
Speaker 4: this stuff and kind of because I have a large account,
Speaker 4: whenever I go into these spaces, I'm always brought up
Speaker 4: to speak. Whichever space I'm in, I always get to talk.
Speaker 4: And that's fucking fantastic because you know, when you have
Speaker 4: a smaller account, it's much harder to get the mic.
Speaker 4: But because of that, I get to engage with these people.
Speaker 4: I get to actually like and and and just listen
Speaker 4: to And it's like it's so obvious that this phenomenon
Speaker 4: is not going away. And you know the State would
Speaker 4: love to just turn them into terrorists and right and
Speaker 4: start to run predator drones all over the United States.
Speaker 4: Like I shit, you not, Like that's I guarantee you.
Speaker 4: They're already talking about that. So it's incumbent upon us,
Speaker 4: especially people that aren't white nationalists, which I'm not saying
Speaker 4: you guys are or aren't.
Speaker 3: I am not.
Speaker 4: It's incumbent upon me to fucking actually have a say
Speaker 4: in this, in this environment, to try and guide these
Speaker 4: young people a little bit as so like, hey, there's
Speaker 4: a lot of merit to what the Myron Gains and
Speaker 4: the Andrew Tate and the Tristan Tates of the world say,
Speaker 4: but I think that their prescription may be off. Here's why.
Speaker 4: And it's like, if you want to actually help these
Speaker 4: these young men and not and not turn them into
Speaker 4: the inverse where you have basically a black panther movement,
Speaker 4: well now you have these white panther movement, Like do
Speaker 4: you want that? Do you want to have this fucking
Speaker 4: militarized like Patriot Front? Jake Shields just interviewed them, like
Speaker 4: I don't want that, man, I don't want to fucking
Speaker 4: live in a country that's identitarian and armed to the teeth.
Speaker 4: Like that's how you get into really ugly civil wars.
Speaker 3: So this is what it's what the other side did,
Speaker 3: Like like Michelle Obama did the same thing with you know,
Speaker 3: feminists in the last ten years, she writes a book
Speaker 3: about being an independent woman, goes on Ober talks about
Speaker 3: this and all that. But it's like, you're married to
Speaker 3: the strongest man in the world, the most powerful man
Speaker 3: in the world at the time, and you're telling your constituents,
Speaker 3: don't get married, don't seek a relationship, you know, seek
Speaker 3: out your career, do this. It's like, but you didn't
Speaker 3: do that. You you're doing the opposite. And I think,
Speaker 3: you know, Andrew Tate might be very well doing the
Speaker 3: opposite as well. And I don't know what they do
Speaker 3: in that.
Speaker 1: I think he's like, he's like the feminist movement for men.
Speaker 1: The ways in which the feminist movement has failed women
Speaker 1: by telling them to focus on the wrong things as
Speaker 1: very similar. It rhymes with the ways in which this
Speaker 1: red pill movement is telling again young men, what's.
Speaker 4: Important Again the symptom, not the disease.
Speaker 1: No, no, But what is disheartening is that we had
Speaker 1: a brief moment where that message was out there and
Speaker 1: then something happened. And you can speculate as to what
Speaker 1: that something was. But Jordan Peterson was out there telling
Speaker 1: people to have families to strengthen their relationship with God
Speaker 1: to raise children goodness.
Speaker 4: His life was ruined.
Speaker 3: Yeah, now to Russia stuck on. Benzo's came back wearing
Speaker 3: a you know, a two tone suit. And so then
Speaker 3: the question teaching credentials.
Speaker 1: Yep, and and and to me, the question becomes is
Speaker 1: that organic or is there other force steering culture? Because
Speaker 1: you look at the ones that are elevated, and you
Speaker 1: look at the ones who had all that potential. I
Speaker 1: have those two books, you know, Twelve Rules for Life
Speaker 1: and twelve additional Rules Antidote to chaos.
Speaker 2: They were tremendous.
Speaker 1: I took a lot of pointers on how to raise
Speaker 1: my son from Jordan Peterson. And now I look at
Speaker 1: that guy as a joke, and it to me, it's
Speaker 1: not lost on me that somebody would have benefited from that,
Speaker 1: somebody who didn't want to see that culture come to rise,
Speaker 1: because that culture is the antidote for chaos. That is
Speaker 1: the remedy to fixing the holes in the cultural fabric,
Speaker 1: to bringing cohesion to a United States. Again, that book,
Speaker 1: if everyone were to implement some aspects of that into
Speaker 1: their own lives, would fix a lot of the issues
Speaker 1: that we have.
Speaker 2: And now that guy doesn't exist Yeah.
Speaker 4: What I find fascinating about Jordan is that he understands
Speaker 4: the you know, scripture and the allegories. Uh well, I
Speaker 4: don't know if you guys consider them allegories.
Speaker 1: I do, but I think they're allegory within it, yes,
Speaker 1: because also it's it's multi leveled.
Speaker 3: Sure, but he understands.
Speaker 4: He's so so in depth, and he's he's explained them
Speaker 4: in such an eloquent way. Yeah, and he's done these
Speaker 4: these deep dives with I think it's Jonathan Pego or whatever.
Speaker 4: And yet he still isn't Christian at least he doesn't
Speaker 4: espouse it fully, he doesn't believe in God. I just
Speaker 4: I just find that, like, I can't imagine dedicating so
Speaker 4: many years of my life to that, to understanding that,
Speaker 4: and then not coming away a believer.
Speaker 3: I think that's fascinating. What do you guys?
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: I was in that camp for a while because I
Speaker 1: wasn't always Christian, and I was exposed to Jordan Peterson's
Speaker 1: work before I came to you know, epiphanies and realizations
Speaker 1: and and changed my aim, and I was very much
Speaker 1: on board with that. It was only like later on
Speaker 1: that I realized, like, no, there is truly spiritual aspects
Speaker 1: that are very real that are surrounding us at all times,
Speaker 1: and he's missing that element. Now, I can only speculate
Speaker 1: as to whether or not you have this character who
Speaker 1: is steering the culture and then gets this one very
Speaker 1: important detail drastically wrong and the damage that that does
Speaker 1: in the in the long run to a people. But
Speaker 1: I think it's probably a little bit easier to look
Speaker 1: at Jordan Peterson like a boxing coach who is a
Speaker 1: phenomenal teacher but cannot box themselves very many cases.
Speaker 4: Ah, interesting, that's great, that's a great comparison. He's uh,
Speaker 4: he's Freddie Roach, even though Freddy Roach was a boxer, so.
Speaker 2: What I mean.
Speaker 1: But he's training like Manny Pakiao and everything, and he's
Speaker 1: training like the best of the best on the planet
Speaker 1: when he himself is not quite that.
Speaker 4: You know what's interesting too, when you go through Benzel withdrawals,
Speaker 4: you get the shakes just like Freddie Roach. Jesus sorry,
Speaker 4: this this this is a that's the type of fucking
Speaker 4: comparison that very few people could make. Because I'm a huge,
Speaker 4: huge boxing fan and a huge like political contar fan.
Speaker 1: So that's like, all right, look there is a lot
Speaker 1: of strange stuff, right if you want to get into
Speaker 1: the conspiracies, people think that it's actually like Sasha Baron
Speaker 1: Cohen is now, you know, whatever the case may be,
Speaker 1: is is Jordan Peters. I think it's funny, and I've seen,
Speaker 1: you know images that I go, well something to that.
Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is he went away
Speaker 1: for a period. He came back a dramatically different man.
Speaker 1: Something happened to Jordan Peterson that we're not privy to,
Speaker 1: and something made him pivot in a direction that forever
Speaker 1: tanked his reputation. And by the way, it's so much
Speaker 1: more than a reputation because at the time he was
Speaker 1: and I don't like to do this to human beings,
Speaker 1: I really don't, but he was like a beacon of
Speaker 1: hope for young men in America. He was exactly what
Speaker 1: we do not need, exactly what we do not need
Speaker 1: the Tape Brothers. We do not need Myron Gaines. We
Speaker 1: need who Jordan Peterson was.
Speaker 3: Got.
Speaker 4: I gotta say this, though, I have to interject, because
Speaker 4: I agree with you. I think to Jordan Peterson represents
Speaker 4: a much better message to young men, particularly when it
Speaker 4: comes to the fact that he's been married for decades
Speaker 4: and decades and has a loving family, and yeah, like
Speaker 4: no doubt he's a better role model.
Speaker 2: How jorder bang Myron Gaines.
Speaker 4: Take attention allegedly, I have no.
Speaker 2: The worst possible out.
Speaker 3: I don't like that. That's the worst criticism of Jordan
Speaker 3: Peterson his daughter. Listen, it is what it is.
Speaker 2: Your kids are gonna do whatever they're gonna do.
Speaker 4: Here's the point I was gonna make, though, It's not
Speaker 4: if you believe that it's an opt to destroy Jordan Peterson,
Speaker 4: you have to recognize that this is not just against Christianity,
Speaker 4: this is not just against a positive role model.
Speaker 3: This is about.
Speaker 4: Dispiriting young men entirely because Andrew Tate does not represent
Speaker 4: a Christian you know, get married, settled down, have his
Speaker 4: role model. Yeah he's Muslim too now, but they still
Speaker 4: destroyed him too. So what I take away from that is.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it looks like Jordan Peterson was a
Speaker 2: year in jail.
Speaker 1: But he's crushing it right now. Didn't you see him
Speaker 1: doing lat lifts on Christmas alone?
Speaker 3: He's out doing the same thing. He's out doing the
Speaker 3: same thing he's doing before. Though, like Jordan Peterson is
Speaker 3: very much not. Yeah, he's a shell for the Daily Wire,
Speaker 3: He's a shell of what he was before. And it's like, yeah, again,
Speaker 3: if we're going to talk about Christianity being subverted, he's like, well,
Speaker 3: now you know who's the majority of white men that
Speaker 3: he's reaching in America? It would have been young Go ahead, see.
Speaker 4: But see, this is this is why I respect Andrew
Speaker 4: Tate more than I do Jordan Peterson. That's gonna upset
Speaker 4: a lot of people, and I don't give a fuck
Speaker 4: because it's true. Andrew Tate spent months and months and
Speaker 4: months in prison and he doesn't fucking stop. He doesn't relent,
Speaker 4: he doesn't really even change his message. In fact, he
Speaker 4: fucking kind of goes harder.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: That is not Jordan Peterson. Jordan Peterson doesn't have that
Speaker 4: in him. He is not a fighter. He said, you know, lineup,
Speaker 4: get your jab everything else. He fucking caved every time. Yes, uh,
Speaker 4: Kavanaugh hearings, He's like, step down, Trump, He's like, step down.
Speaker 3: He doesn't.
Speaker 4: He doesn't have the backbone in the fire like in
Speaker 4: the heat of battle. Andrew Tate, for all of his
Speaker 4: fucking flaws, and there's plenty, he has that big time
Speaker 4: he had, And I think that's what I like about
Speaker 4: Andrew Tate. That's the message that I hope that young
Speaker 4: men take away from a person like Andrew Tate is
Speaker 4: that like, even if some of these hurdles that have
Speaker 4: been put in front of the Tape Brothers may have
Speaker 4: been the of their own making, they still are fucking fighters.
Speaker 3: To the death.
Speaker 4: These two brothers sat in prison next to each other
Speaker 4: and said we will sit here until we die. We
Speaker 4: don't give a fuck, and they talk about it all
Speaker 4: the time, and I'm just like, that is awesome.
Speaker 3: Like, I fucking love my brother.
Speaker 4: I could totally see like if the fucking system was
Speaker 4: coming after me and my brother, we'd just be like
Speaker 4: do push up, push up, fucking smoke a cigars, just
Speaker 4: like try trying to bang the prison guard. Like that's
Speaker 4: exactly what I would do with my brother if we
Speaker 4: were locked up in prison.
Speaker 3: So when I see that in them, it's inspirational. That's
Speaker 3: that's the.
Speaker 4: Type of shit that like, young men don't get that.
Speaker 4: You certainly don't get that from Jordan Peterson. So in
Speaker 4: that one arena, I like the Tape Brothers better I do.
Speaker 1: I would say that for Peterson is if you were
Speaker 1: to speculate, and it's only speculation that what he was
Speaker 1: exposed to was genuine and horrifying and what the Tates
Speaker 1: went through was some sort of theater.
Speaker 2: But that's conjecture and speculation.
Speaker 4: If you don't think so.
Speaker 3: If you take one guy and you put him up
Speaker 3: and you lionize him and you follow everything he does,
Speaker 3: you're creating a god or Jesus type. Don't do that
Speaker 3: with people. People are people. But said Jordan Peterson was
Speaker 3: great at what he did. His lane was perfect, and
Speaker 3: that that kind of attitude, that masculine energy that Andrew
Speaker 3: Tate does bring, not like some like he does a
Speaker 3: lot of weird stuff, but that that aspect of him.
Speaker 3: I would want my son to see that and be like,
Speaker 3: do you see that shit? Follow that? But what he
Speaker 3: says about woman, that's a bad idea just apart from
Speaker 3: him there and follows.
Speaker 2: Can't we get like a buff tan shirtless Jordan pears?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So instead, can't we get a Jordan Peterson that smokes
Speaker 1: cigars and doesn't wear a two tone suit and does
Speaker 1: drive a Bugatti like I want?
Speaker 2: I do want that? Or maybe not a Bugatti.
Speaker 1: Something just like a really nice classic oldsmobile, Like it's
Speaker 1: something in nineteen eighty something that's a really good condition,
Speaker 1: and he's putting out that instead. Right, He's like, go
Speaker 1: back to uh, to nostalgia, you know, instead of whatever
Speaker 1: the fuck we're got.
Speaker 4: I think this is actually good. This is actually a
Speaker 4: good way to end it too. I think that your
Speaker 4: your heroes are always flawed, Like they're gonna be flawed.
Speaker 4: So the the important thing is to like that that
Speaker 4: in itself is a lesson to young men, is that
Speaker 4: you you're going to have to pick and choose the
Speaker 4: best aspects of your role models. Because like Kobe Bryant
Speaker 4: was awesome and he was an unbelievable psychopath when it
Speaker 4: came to training and practicing and shooting and everything else,
Speaker 4: but he's also bad teammate. Okay, Like, so do you
Speaker 4: want to be that guy in your life all the
Speaker 4: time because you're gonna fucking destroy some you know, familial
Speaker 4: bonds and friendships and shit like that. But like, do
Speaker 4: you want to have his work ethic when you need to? Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: you do so. And then Jordan Peterson, do you want
Speaker 4: to understand you know, uh, philosophy and a really deep
Speaker 4: level and be able to apply it and still have
Speaker 4: strength but also be sensitive. Yes, do you want to
Speaker 4: have the fucking animalistic fight fight fighter instincts that the
Speaker 4: Tape Brothers represent.
Speaker 3: Yes, take just.
Speaker 4: A sprinkle from all of these people and then formulate
Speaker 4: the best version of yourself. And I think that's that
Speaker 4: I hope is what young people will do. And then
Speaker 4: also take the the the wit of Nick Fuents while
Speaker 4: we're at it, all right, anyways, Yeah, I just I
Speaker 4: just want to upset people by that's upsetting.
Speaker 2: I think that was that was great, lot of sense.
Speaker 2: That's the problem should be doing.
Speaker 3: The problem comes is when when they put people under
Speaker 3: a microscope and you see it happen all the time,
Speaker 3: and it's you know, I'm guilty of it as well,
Speaker 3: but like they're just people and when you really look
Speaker 3: at them and you look at their characteristics and whatever
Speaker 3: they're representing, it's like it doesn't add up to what
Speaker 3: you built in your head. And young kids are going
Speaker 3: to do that. But uh, that's why that I think
Speaker 3: that's why the most important message is God and Jesus Christ, Like,
Speaker 3: look up to that, don't look up to me, don't
Speaker 3: look up to all these other people like, there's already
Speaker 3: an archetype that has been well developed and there's a story.
Speaker 3: If you want to follow that like the perfect person,
Speaker 3: that it's there for you. If not, you've got a
Speaker 3: bunch of shitty recreations of it that will eventually lead
Speaker 3: you astraight if you follow that to the logical conclusion
Speaker 3: of wherever they're bringing it, they always they always will,
Speaker 3: and I will too, so will Clint. Like you, you
Speaker 3: don't want to be like me, We're gonna do something wrong.
Speaker 3: Don't just don't do that. But before you end, Clint,
Speaker 3: I just I did want to say. I wanted to
Speaker 3: apologize to fucking nobody.
Speaker 4: That was.
Speaker 3: Absolutely nobody. I'm not apologizing. I mean you took the bait,
Speaker 3: and yeah, it is what it is. For those who
Speaker 3: don't know.
Speaker 4: Uh, Top went to war with Tim Pool a couple
Speaker 4: of days ago.
Speaker 3: It wasn't that on Christmas. It was on Christmas too.
Speaker 3: Wasn't happening on Christmas? People lost their ship.
Speaker 2: I ratioed Tim Poole on Christmas.
Speaker 3: Everybody can ask me before you before you go, Clint,
Speaker 3: you said that he was so I I sort of
Speaker 3: believe what you're saying that he was playing along as well,
Speaker 3: which is a very stupid move to do. Number one.
Speaker 3: He was I think a little bit, but I felt
Speaker 3: like it was like I talked to him for a
Speaker 3: half an hour after all this went down.
Speaker 2: So I was having fun with A. I was having fun.
Speaker 1: I the line with the Infinity pool, I said, can
Speaker 1: you I want to be on the show, but I've
Speaker 1: never been on an Infinity.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing though, if we would have been doing
Speaker 3: that to tim ir L, like to his face, I
Speaker 3: think he would have gotten red and got mad. I
Speaker 3: don't he doesn't seem like the dude that plays along.
Speaker 3: But for him to answer me back, it made no
Speaker 3: sense to answer me back at all. It just that
Speaker 3: was the characteristic yeah, and but then not just answer
Speaker 3: me back once five times repeat. Is like he cycled
Speaker 3: and like he called us retarded a number of times.
Speaker 3: He called us invalids. It's very funny and everything we
Speaker 3: responded back, he threatened me, I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 3: What'd you say? That was an odd That was an
Speaker 3: odd backhanded threat. I don't know, Can I can I
Speaker 3: explain it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: You please?
Speaker 4: Okay. So the point was he had had you on
Speaker 4: his show, and like if you if you get invited
Speaker 4: on a show and then you turn around and you
Speaker 4: blast somebody, you're not gonna get invited back, Like that's natural, right,
Speaker 4: and you you know this, I wouldn't like, are.
Speaker 2: Some things that are more important than being invited back?
Speaker 4: Principle Maybe no, of course, and that's totally fine. I'm
Speaker 4: not sure what principal Top was going after Tim four
Speaker 4: in this regard, but anyways, he was just making the
Speaker 4: point that like, are you going to do this and
Speaker 4: then when you don't get invited back on use it
Speaker 4: as evidence that the Jews are controlling him? Like that's yeah,
Speaker 4: I know, I know you're going to But he's he's saying,
Speaker 4: it's your actions. And this is what I talked to
Speaker 4: him about, is he's saying like that's essentially what Candiceton's
Speaker 4: has done. Like she's her audience is still thriving, but
Speaker 4: she's lost all of her sponsors. But because of you know,
Speaker 4: because of that, she can now turn around and say, see,
Speaker 4: everything I'm saying is true because I lost my sponsors,
Speaker 4: because everything I'm saying is true, And it's kind of
Speaker 4: the circular reasoning, whereas maybe not everything you're saying is true.
Speaker 4: Maybe there are aspects of it are true, but it's
Speaker 4: also not palatable for advertisers. Like I don't know how long.
Speaker 3: You're gonna drag this episode out, but listen, it started
Speaker 3: because the Babylon Bee was once again being subvertive and
Speaker 3: doing this weird, wishy washy thing where they're like, we're Christians,
Speaker 3: but fuck for the Virgin Mary and she liked this.
Speaker 3: Tim kind of cover for them.
Speaker 4: He well, he made a joke about crampis, but yeah,
Speaker 4: go ahead.
Speaker 3: Okay, but this is we know what it is. Listen.
Speaker 3: It's it's also insulting. It's insulting for like the people
Speaker 3: that do understand what you're doing. And I understand you've
Speaker 3: got friends and you've got interest, fine, but I'm gonna
Speaker 3: call you out on it when you do it. Then
Speaker 3: he plays coy. I just said, I said, hey, already
Speaker 3: on the Daily Wire payroll. If you sell, I don't
Speaker 3: give a shit if you don't. Whatever, this is a joke,
Speaker 3: he answers, And what a Santa have? Now you're playing stupid?
Speaker 3: What a Santa have to do with crampus or the
Speaker 3: Daily Wire? Yeah, I know your audience is filled with retards,
Speaker 3: but I know what you're doing here, and you've been
Speaker 3: doing it for a while, and it's fine. This is
Speaker 3: how you get paid whatever this is. And this is
Speaker 3: also maybe what you believe. If this is what you believe. Cool.
Speaker 3: I don't know what Timpoole believes that At this point,
Speaker 3: I stopped trying to figure it out, so I just said,
Speaker 3: just keep running cover. And then he goes, you're retarded,
Speaker 3: and I go, you're the Michael Malice line. He answers
Speaker 3: back again, this is the threat, is the intention to
Speaker 3: destroy all opportunities for yourself so that when people start
Speaker 3: avoiding you, you can blame the Jews. All right, I
Speaker 3: don't all opportunities by talking to you or by telling
Speaker 3: the truth. As I see it, is that the opportunity
Speaker 3: because you have nothing to offer me, like I went
Speaker 3: on your show.
Speaker 4: I know, and from your perspective, I completely understand why
Speaker 4: you took that as a thread. Let me get that
Speaker 4: out of the way. What he's saying is if you
Speaker 4: get invited on a show like look at look at
Speaker 4: Milo or Laura Lomer, like, they fucking go ballistic on
Speaker 4: people like do you think that they've been canceled and
Speaker 4: that's why they don't get invited back on Glenn back
Speaker 4: or whatever. It's like, no, you don't get invited on
Speaker 4: things because at a certain point you just come across
Speaker 4: as so fucking dangerous and toxic that people stop giving
Speaker 4: you those those invites. So he's saying, you're behaving in
Speaker 4: a toxic fashion and you're gonna lose opportunities, and then
Speaker 4: you're gonna blame the Jews as evidence of like, look,
Speaker 4: I'm I'm being persecuted because of my beliefs his mister,
Speaker 4: as opposed to my actions. So that's that's the point.
Speaker 3: He Here's what's happened though, because and I know Tim
Speaker 3: Poole's in a different tax bracket than all of us,
Speaker 3: and I understand that he's got millions of followers and
Speaker 3: all that. And I also understand that he's got those
Speaker 3: millions of followers by showing up at ou Occupy Wall
Speaker 3: Street right when this whole racial stuff started to happen.
Speaker 3: I don't know when it started to the full part, Tim,
Speaker 3: But here's the deal. You have this audience now that
Speaker 3: you have to play nice with or you'll lose everything.
Speaker 3: Me I'll say this, I don't give a fuck who
Speaker 3: hears it. I know exactly who I am, and I
Speaker 3: know people know who I am, and whether I'm successful
Speaker 3: or not, that's completely up to me. But up until now,
Speaker 3: I've used this strategy of saying what I think with
Speaker 3: a little bit of humor in telling the truth, and
Speaker 3: I don't care even if it's come off bombastic and
Speaker 3: people don't like it. I've said what I think. And
Speaker 3: at the end of the day, why the fuck else
Speaker 3: would I buy this microphone and sit here for hours
Speaker 3: at a time to say it. You can't do that anymore, Tim, Okay,
Speaker 3: And this was maybe it wasn't a threat, but maybe
Speaker 3: it was an admission on his part. And I'm sorry
Speaker 3: that you can't say and whatever blame the Jews, whatever
Speaker 3: Storwman you'd like to create for the next SIAP that's
Speaker 3: brought upon us. You can't say what you want. That's sad, dude.
Speaker 3: I don't even know if what you have to say
Speaker 3: is is even valuable because I've never really heard you
Speaker 3: say what you really think. I love to know what
Speaker 3: you really think, but you're telling us that you've never
Speaker 3: been candidate your audience. I'm gonna be candid. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: see where this fucking lands. I've been canceled from a
Speaker 3: bunch of shit. I've landed on my feet every single time,
Speaker 3: and every single time I've been better off for it.
Speaker 3: I'm in a better situation with my family, my friends,
Speaker 3: the people around me, and my mental sanity for being
Speaker 3: able to say what I think in this this end
Speaker 3: end of days scenario. So that's where I'm at with it.
Speaker 4: Well, and here's the truth, like there is is Actually
Speaker 4: I know about this because of my business school. It's
Speaker 4: upstart versus established business. Like we are upstarts, he's an
Speaker 4: established business. Upstarts are much more provocative. They take risks,
Speaker 4: they do things that the major corporations simply can't. Tim,
Speaker 4: as far as a political commentator goes, is a major corporation.
Speaker 4: So he's not going to be able to take the
Speaker 4: risks that you and I can, so more rigid. Yeah
Speaker 4: and again, and I just understand that, And I guess
Speaker 4: I don't take it personally like I know Tim personally.
Speaker 4: I know I know his beliefs. I think that he
Speaker 4: is just a much more moderate person than you are,
Speaker 4: or I am, for that matter, And I think oftentimes
Speaker 4: people assume that he's like he's he's running away from
Speaker 4: Topics to try and keep his advertisers. Maybe I don't
Speaker 4: think so. I think that he genuinely thinks that there
Speaker 4: is a level of I don't know, kind of delirium
Speaker 4: when it comes to this Jewish stuff, Like he thinks
Speaker 4: that it's overstated and that it's it's kind of derailing
Speaker 4: the right wing. I tend to agree that it is
Speaker 4: a little bit fucking over the over the top. So
Speaker 4: that's why I see all sides of this, and I
Speaker 4: just I just come in the middle. Here's the problem.
Speaker 4: I'm friends with too many fucking people I like. I
Speaker 4: like a lot of people, a lot of people like me,
Speaker 4: and I don't know, I can't like, I can't moderate
Speaker 4: all this shit between everybody. So I'm just like, you
Speaker 4: go to war on Christmas. I don't give a fuck.
Speaker 4: I love you both. You know, figure it out. Perhaps
Speaker 4: i'd be more.
Speaker 2: Is one thing. I don't think top was mad, and I.
Speaker 3: Know I wasn't mad at all. I'm just kind of
Speaker 3: like giving you a fiery monologue here because I may
Speaker 3: maybe i'll clip it later, but I listen, this is
Speaker 3: this is what people do. Like, I don't even know
Speaker 3: when he's yelling at people for whatever Jewish shit. I
Speaker 3: don't even know if he means it, like I don't.
Speaker 3: We don't know. What I will say though, is that
Speaker 3: you know, if I do know somebody in real life,
Speaker 3: i'd be a lot more uh reluctant to be like,
Speaker 3: you know, fuck this guy or say whatever I'm gonna
Speaker 3: say about him. I met you in real life, I like,
Speaker 3: it didn't really come off as even a person.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was a very bizarre experience. And I don't know
Speaker 3: how from what I've heard, a lot of other guests
Speaker 3: have had that same experience. And honestly, you know, if
Speaker 3: you've been blessed, you've been blessed or given this opportunity,
Speaker 3: and like I said, you're fucking squandering it. Every chance
Speaker 3: you get, you squander the culture. You get like you're
Speaker 3: sitting on a business tens of millions of dollars, you're
Speaker 3: about to have a kid, like, dude, why you why
Speaker 3: are you so like mad? Why are you so like?
Speaker 3: It just wasn't it wasn't good. So that's why when
Speaker 3: I see him, he's just numbers, like it's just ones
Speaker 3: and zero's on the screen that I'm art, that I'm
Speaker 3: that I'm talking with back and forth. It's not like
Speaker 3: not a person and I met you in real life too,
Speaker 3: but it's like no personality there, there was nothing. It was.
Speaker 3: It was bizarre. You had a different experience. I didn't.
Speaker 3: It was very weird. No, And and.
Speaker 4: I'll just to defend your position. I have. I've gone
Speaker 4: on the show I don't know ten times or whatever,
Speaker 4: and that that particular appearance, he was as guarded as unfriendly.
Speaker 4: He was just having a bad day, honestly. Like, but like,
Speaker 4: if I was you and that was the only time
Speaker 4: I ever met Tim Poole, I'd be like, fuck this.
Speaker 3: Guy, Like that's exactly how I feel about you.
Speaker 4: Yes, And so this is why, this is why I
Speaker 4: am understanding of both sides here. But I also understand
Speaker 4: from Tim's perspective. He's like, I've given all these people,
Speaker 4: you know, this huge platform. I don't tell them what
Speaker 4: they can't say. I mean, he may argue with you,
Speaker 4: but like that's cool, Like you you should be allowed to,
Speaker 4: you know, argue with someone you disagree with. And then
Speaker 4: they're fucking flipping out on me on Christmas, Like what's
Speaker 4: this about?
Speaker 3: Actually, So the original tweet was like two days ago,
Speaker 3: which was it was the weirdest thing. I don't know
Speaker 3: why he even replied to that. It was on like
Speaker 3: the twenty third, and he because he's.
Speaker 4: Sitting there on Christmas looking through his fucking replies and
Speaker 4: he sees one of the more liked ones is He's like,
Speaker 4: didn't I have this guy on my show?
Speaker 3: Why is he shitting on me? And then he replies
Speaker 3: and he fucking he fell in the trap, Like that's
Speaker 3: what happened. Oh yeah, he felt that's the game. That's
Speaker 3: the game, baby, and uh, it is what it is.
Speaker 3: We had a lot of fun. I'd like to go
Speaker 3: in a hot tub with you, Tim.
Speaker 4: I've done that before on a yacht in Miami. Anyways, Uh,
Speaker 4: tell people where they can fall, you guess?
Speaker 2: Go ahead?
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