Speaker 1: Ted Live Today Night of the heart of downtown Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City, Utah, on a steamy, hot Utah Tuesday afternoon
Speaker 1: in July at Beer Bar. It's one sixty oneies, two
Speaker 1: hundred South. One sixty onies, two hundred south. We got
Speaker 1: the patios open and the misters are going. It actually
Speaker 1: feels really nice out there. We've got an event coming
Speaker 1: up this week we'll tell you about. Andy Larson from
Speaker 1: the Salt Lake Tribune will join us. We got about
Speaker 1: two hours left in the show. Good stuff with Stevens
Speaker 1: and Sylvester who stopped by to talk Utah football. Pablo
Speaker 1: Maschiutti for the latest on RSL. But let's do a
Speaker 1: little basketball. A legend around these parts, former college coach
Speaker 1: and now one of the more entertaining broadcasters you're ever
Speaker 1: going to hear. Joe Craven's good enough to give us
Speaker 1: some time on a Tuesday. Joe, Happy Tuesday, sir.
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 3: Thanks? Beantai appreciate you having me on and always happy
Speaker 3: to give you a little time here. I'm over in
Speaker 3: Denver getting ready to go to a Rockies game, so
Speaker 3: we've got a little time before the pre game festive start,
Speaker 3: and so glad to spend a few minutes with you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate the time. And of course, you know, when
Speaker 1: Frank passed. Frank Layden passed away a couple of weeks
Speaker 1: ago at the age of ninety three. I was talking
Speaker 1: to Smitty about who I should have on the show.
Speaker 1: You're one of the first names he brought up, and
Speaker 1: you know, Joe, it's it's actually, obviously it's tremendously sad
Speaker 1: that we've lost Frank. There's certainly an element to this
Speaker 1: that feels like a blessing that he's not suffering anymore.
Speaker 1: It's really been kind of a sweet experience for me
Speaker 1: to interview all these people over the past couple of
Speaker 1: weeks and learn all these anecdotes about who he was
Speaker 1: as a man, as a coach, as a husband, as
Speaker 1: a father.
Speaker 2: What was it like being Frank Leyden's friend?
Speaker 3: You know, it was a a very special friendship Frank was.
Speaker 3: You know, we've been For instance, I came to University
Speaker 3: of Utah nineteen eighty nine. That was the year Majeris
Speaker 3: came and I was an interim coach, and and I
Speaker 3: think that's when I don't think that's when I first
Speaker 3: met Frank, so that you know, spans way over thirty
Speaker 3: years and he just became a just a wonderful friend.
Speaker 3: And I have given a lot of thought his passing.
Speaker 3: And you know, when we were together, we very rarely
Speaker 3: talked about basketball. As you know, he was a huge
Speaker 3: baseball fan. We talked a lot of baseball. He was
Speaker 3: a voracious reader. We were always the last several years,
Speaker 3: every time he had seen me, the first thing he
Speaker 3: would ask, in that gravelly Brooklyn accent, what are you reading?
Speaker 3: And so I tell him what I was read. We
Speaker 3: would exchange books and talk about books and again talk
Speaker 3: a lot about baseball. But he endeared hisself to my
Speaker 3: I have two daughters. One reason we're in Colorado right
Speaker 3: now is my younger daughter works for the Colorado Rock.
Speaker 3: And many years ago, when she was probably thirteen or fourteen,
Speaker 3: I was in Weaver State, when I was still working
Speaker 3: there in a press box in the football at a
Speaker 3: football game with Frank and we were talking. I said, coach,
Speaker 3: you're not going to believe this. I've got a little girl,
Speaker 3: a daughter that just loves professional baseball, loves Big League baseball,
Speaker 3: and I you know, we talked about it and I
Speaker 3: said her favorite player is Willie Mays for some reason.
Speaker 3: And so the next time I saw Frank, there was
Speaker 3: another football game. He brought me this beautiful plaque with
Speaker 3: a picture of caricature almost like you would see in
Speaker 3: Cooperstown of Willie May's a list of all these records
Speaker 3: under it, and you turn it over. It had his
Speaker 3: signature and then a letter of authenticity. And he said, here,
Speaker 3: take that home to Shelby. And I said, coach, don't
Speaker 3: do that. That's a treasure. Don't give that to you know,
Speaker 3: some young kid. He said, nah, I she'll like it.
Speaker 3: And she has it in her office with the Colorado
Speaker 3: Rockies right now. And uh. And he always asked, you know,
Speaker 3: how's your baseball daughter doing? And then my other daughter
Speaker 3: is an actress in Chicago, and he when she was
Speaker 3: majoring in theater in at University of Utah, he went
Speaker 3: to several of her plays. One day he took my
Speaker 3: whole my daughter, my baseball daughter I just talked about,
Speaker 3: and my wife and I to brunch at the Little
Speaker 3: America and then we went to one of her plays
Speaker 3: on a I think that was on a Sunday. And so,
Speaker 3: you know, our friendship for two old coaches had very
Speaker 3: little to do with basketball. It had to do with
Speaker 3: you know, him, him caring for my family and all
Speaker 3: our other interests, and it was just a very to me.
Speaker 3: I kind of forgot, you know, it was a celebrity
Speaker 3: type friendship with Frank. You know, Frank laden's a celebrity,
Speaker 3: but you know, he just became a family friend to us,
Speaker 3: and it was it was very very special.
Speaker 2: You know, It's so many good things in there.
Speaker 1: I often wonder if Frank himself knew how because you
Speaker 1: referenced his celebrity, and certainly part of frank celebrity was
Speaker 1: his personality because his one liners.
Speaker 2: He was really funny, he was very witty.
Speaker 1: But also just the respect that he had in the
Speaker 1: basketball community as a coach, as a talent evaluator.
Speaker 2: I wonder if Frank.
Speaker 1: Himself Joe really fully realized how many people respected him
Speaker 1: the way they did.
Speaker 3: You know, I think I think Frank loved people. You know,
Speaker 3: he loved being around people. They loved making people laugh,
Speaker 3: He loved doing nice things for people. And you know,
Speaker 3: I think Frank knew he was famous, but I don't
Speaker 3: think that matter to him. I don't think he gave
Speaker 3: that much thought, I think, you know, if you pend
Speaker 3: him down, he'd say, yeah, you know, former NBA Coach
Speaker 3: of the Year. Yeah, I was. You know, I guess
Speaker 3: I don't know. I guess I'm fair. I guess I'm famous.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: But you know, that never was a part of our relationship.
Speaker 3: And like I said, at times, I had to kind
Speaker 3: of reflect and step back that, hey, this this is
Speaker 3: this is Frank Layton, this is a celebrity, this is
Speaker 3: a big time dude. And you know, we would and
Speaker 3: he'd he loved exchange jokes. You know, he gave me
Speaker 3: a great confidence, said, no one knows how to tell
Speaker 3: a jokeer out here but you. And I'd tell him,
Speaker 3: you know, a joke, and he'd laugh, he'd steal, and
Speaker 3: then I'd get on him because I'd hear later he'd
Speaker 3: retell my joke. People say, oh, Frank Layton told me this,
Speaker 3: this great joke, and I'd get I said, us, ob,
Speaker 3: you're taking my jokes and taking credit for him, And
Speaker 3: he laughed. He just thought that was the funniest thing,
Speaker 3: you know. But it again, so so special and so
Speaker 3: blessed that he and I had that relationships. As is
Speaker 3: many people Spence for so many years.
Speaker 1: When it comes to you know, Frank Laden the basketball mind,
Speaker 1: as somebody who coached at very high level in college,
Speaker 1: what sort of inside you have there? You know, it's funny, Joe,
Speaker 1: because I pushed back. I've heard people say on this
Speaker 1: show and elsewhere like Frank never got enough credit for
Speaker 1: the coach that he was. Well, people that knew gave
Speaker 1: Frank credit because people that know no, and yes, he
Speaker 1: went on to do dazzling dunks and basketball bloopers and
Speaker 1: became kind of a characterture in a way. I've always
Speaker 1: believed part of that was to sell the Utah Jazz
Speaker 1: to the country and make sure that the team had
Speaker 1: the exposure and a little bit of personality and character.
Speaker 1: But when I say Frank Laden the basketball mind, the
Speaker 1: basketball coach, what comes to your mind?
Speaker 3: You know, I think more than x's and o's when
Speaker 3: he ever, when he would address one of my teams,
Speaker 3: or when I heard him speak with when I was
Speaker 3: with Majaris at Utah, he would talk more about what
Speaker 3: it was what made good teams, you know, being a
Speaker 3: good teammate, giving to your teammates and taking responsibility for
Speaker 3: your actions with your role on the team, and he
Speaker 3: talked much more about things like that to makeup the.
Speaker 4: The intangibles of being a good team and what it took.
Speaker 4: Then he did about, hey, you know, you've got to
Speaker 4: screen over here and you got to execute that now
Speaker 4: if you really wanted to talk to him, and every
Speaker 4: once in a while when I was still coaching, i'd.
Speaker 3: Say, you know, what did you do against the press?
Speaker 3: And we would talk a little bit like that, But
Speaker 3: it was more about the makeup of a good team,
Speaker 3: the personality, if you will, of a good team than
Speaker 3: it was Exorcizise. And of course he was once you
Speaker 3: did penn him down to talk at x and Oles.
Speaker 3: He obviously he was very impressive. He had a really
Speaker 3: good basketball mind. But I think, for my money, his
Speaker 3: feelings and his thoughts of what it took to be
Speaker 3: a good team, regardless of the x and Oles, I
Speaker 3: think was where he was very special.
Speaker 1: And it just felt like, you know, the term players
Speaker 1: coach sometimes can be cliched and sometimes can maybe be overused.
Speaker 1: But I don't know that we could find a player
Speaker 1: Joe that played for him, that didn't love him, that
Speaker 1: didn't look up to him as a father figure. I
Speaker 1: mean one of the most fascinating because, you know, when
Speaker 1: I got into this industry, partially I was encouraged by Frank,
Speaker 1: so I owe him a lot. Actually, yes, but I decided, like,
Speaker 1: as much as I can have him on, I am
Speaker 1: going to have him on. And it's it's really turned
Speaker 1: out to be a little serendipitous because I have hours
Speaker 1: and hours of conversations I've had with Frank that I'll
Speaker 1: always be able to go back and listen to.
Speaker 2: And one of the stories he told me was about a.
Speaker 1: Player named John Drew, who I know, you know, Joe
Speaker 1: and old school jazz fans certainly know, but maybe not
Speaker 1: younger jazz fans or maybe jazz fans that weren't necessarily
Speaker 1: connected to the team.
Speaker 2: Back in the eighties.
Speaker 1: John Drew was a tremendous talent who just couldn't get
Speaker 1: it figured out off the court. And you know, if
Speaker 1: Frank told me the story of John coming to him
Speaker 1: and informing him that he had sold the rights to
Speaker 1: his future pension for a couple of thousand dollars in
Speaker 1: order to, you know, just get the fix that he
Speaker 1: needed because he was in such a bad spot.
Speaker 2: And as Frank is telling me, the story.
Speaker 1: He's getting emotional, and as Frank is telling me the story,
Speaker 1: he's walking me through how many times he tried to
Speaker 1: reach John, and throughout the course of his retirement, how
Speaker 1: often he would check in on him.
Speaker 2: So we talk about the John and Carl stuff.
Speaker 1: In the you know, drafting of these legendary players, I
Speaker 1: feel like he viewed all of his players almost as
Speaker 1: like extended sons.
Speaker 2: If that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Well, I don't think there's any doubt. I think Frank
Speaker 3: was one of those unique people who got in and
Speaker 3: we talked a lot about this that that that I
Speaker 3: just recently, I mean just a couple of weeks before
Speaker 3: losing Frank lost my high school coach who was ninety
Speaker 3: one years old. And I have always said I got
Speaker 3: into coaching to have an impact on kids' lives, like
Speaker 3: my high school coach had on me. And I and
Speaker 3: Frank and I talked about that, and you know, and
Speaker 3: he said, you you go down that road, you want
Speaker 3: to have a positive impact on everyone that plays for you,
Speaker 3: and but you look back and you know that you
Speaker 3: did on some and that's very rewarding. But the ones
Speaker 3: that kind of stick with you are the ones that
Speaker 3: you you didn't that you just couldn't you know, you
Speaker 3: didn't feel like you made their life better or you
Speaker 3: didn't make them better, or that fought coaching, just just
Speaker 3: couldn't kind of get on the same level with you.
Speaker 3: And you know, we we talked about and he said,
Speaker 3: you know, you you you revel in the fact that
Speaker 3: the guys you touched and you know you touched and
Speaker 3: are very loyal to you. But the ones that the
Speaker 3: ones that got away so to speak, that you just
Speaker 3: felt like you just kind of spent time with, those
Speaker 3: are the ones that kind of, uh stick with you
Speaker 3: a little bit longer. And he and I both agreed
Speaker 3: that that you know that that that does it bothers you.
Speaker 3: You know, you wish you could have done more, but
Speaker 3: sometimes you just you can't reach everyone and you can't
Speaker 3: have or you don't have that positive effect on everyone
Speaker 3: that you coach. But I have no doubt that's what
Speaker 3: because we again we talked about he told me he
Speaker 3: got into coaching to touch people, not to you know,
Speaker 3: not to be the NBA Coach of the Year, not
Speaker 3: to be uh famous, but but to make the world better,
Speaker 3: to make people better, you know.
Speaker 1: And and the other thing while we're kind of in
Speaker 1: this space of the guys who played for him, And look,
Speaker 1: Scotty deserves a lot of credit here, Scott laden as
Speaker 1: a talent evaluator, and every front office in pro basketball
Speaker 1: evaluating talent takes swings and misses.
Speaker 2: But Joe his hit rate in the draft.
Speaker 1: I mean, we talk about John and Carl, but it's
Speaker 1: Mark Eaton, it's Thorough Bailey, it's Bobby Hanson, it's you know,
Speaker 1: trades for Adrian Danley. And you know, if you go
Speaker 1: down the list of players who Frank identified as potential
Speaker 1: really great players.
Speaker 2: He hit a lot.
Speaker 1: So I don't know that he gets enough credit for
Speaker 1: his ability to evaluate talent.
Speaker 3: You know, Oh, I think that's a very valid point.
Speaker 3: You just named a pretty good list of guys that
Speaker 3: he seemed like he had a great feel for and
Speaker 3: what they would become and how he projected them, and
Speaker 3: and there's there's just a long list that you didn't
Speaker 3: mention that maybe didn't go on to start him, but
Speaker 3: were very solid NBA players that he had a lot
Speaker 3: to do with. So I think I think he was
Speaker 3: a very solid X and O tactician guy. I think
Speaker 3: he had a great feel for people and kind of
Speaker 3: almost a second since about how to project those people
Speaker 3: to the next level, which for him was the NBA.
Speaker 2: You know, your reference.
Speaker 1: His love of baseball and it was always fun to
Speaker 1: be at the ballpark and run into Frank and Barbara
Speaker 1: and obviously the seventh inning stretch to take me out
Speaker 1: to the ball game legendary. I wonder if we went
Speaker 1: a little deeper. I know he was a Dodgers fan
Speaker 1: and told great stories of ebbotts Field. I wonder if
Speaker 1: you could illuminate me further on just how deep that
Speaker 1: love ran, kind of where it was deep from and
Speaker 1: what the game of baseball meant to Frank Layton.
Speaker 3: Well, one of his great stories, where's and uh and
Speaker 3: and I at his funeral or his service there at
Speaker 3: the Catholic church in in in Salt Lake, when Scott
Speaker 3: Game got up and was talking by his dad and
Speaker 3: he said, I'm going a little off script here. He said,
Speaker 3: let's sing dad's favorite song, and he and one and
Speaker 3: a two. Of course everyone knew where it was going,
Speaker 3: and we sang take me out to the ballgame. Uh.
Speaker 3: That was that was special and uh. He his one
Speaker 3: of his great stories was about seeing Jackie Robinson play
Speaker 3: first game. He probably told you that, Spence. And the
Speaker 3: funny part of that was he he he went out
Speaker 3: to lunch with some high school friends and they went
Speaker 3: back to school and he went to Abbotsfield Jackie Robinson's
Speaker 3: first game. And Frank told this story so so well.
Speaker 3: He said, I'm standing there at the railing and an
Speaker 3: older gentleman was standing there with me, and we're talking,
Speaker 3: and the older gentleman says, now, which one is this
Speaker 3: Robinson guy that everyone's making the fuss about. And Frank said,
Speaker 3: I looked at him and said, well, we should be
Speaker 3: able to pick him out, don't you think. Of course
Speaker 3: I made Frank Coe. It took Frank about fifteen minutes
Speaker 3: to tell that story, you know, but it was just
Speaker 3: a terrific story. I think his love for baseball and
Speaker 3: for basketball is growing up in a neighborhood at a time,
Speaker 3: like a lot of us did him before you and
Speaker 3: I Spence that you know, there wasn't a whole lot
Speaker 3: else to do. You know, in the summertime, no one
Speaker 3: had air conditioning, no one had, you know, a computer
Speaker 3: or cell phones, and you just went out and played
Speaker 3: it entertained yourself. And he talked about playing stickball to me,
Speaker 3: and you know, in the neighborhoods there in Brooklyn, and
Speaker 3: I think he just grew up. You know, he led
Speaker 3: the city of Brooklyn in scoring and basketball and then
Speaker 3: home runs as a catcher his senior year, and I
Speaker 3: think his love for baseball just came from, you know,
Speaker 3: playing as a kid and then playing through high school
Speaker 3: and entertaining himself as a young man in Brooklyn where
Speaker 3: they didn't have a whole lot of entertainment going on.
Speaker 1: Upon his passing Joe, as you know, he and Barbara
Speaker 1: had been married for sixty eight years, and you know,
Speaker 1: watching those two over the courses of mine entire I
Speaker 1: don't really have a memory of life where Frank wasn't
Speaker 1: involved in my life. You know, I was young when
Speaker 1: my father was here, and you know, so watching those
Speaker 1: two over the years and just how good they were
Speaker 1: to me, how good they were to my son, how
Speaker 1: good they were to everybody, and ultimately how good they
Speaker 1: were to each other. I wonder what your thoughts are
Speaker 1: on Frank laid and the husband sixty eight years with Barbara.
Speaker 3: Well, it was It's a textbook. And he would tell
Speaker 3: you the best assistant coach ever had in his life
Speaker 3: was Barbara, and she was I'm a big gardener. You know,
Speaker 3: you can't you can take the boy out of Southern Indiana,
Speaker 3: but you can't take the Southern Indiana out of the boy.
Speaker 3: And I grow a lot of tomatoes and I used
Speaker 3: to bring uh, Frank and Barbara tomatoes and cucumbers, and
Speaker 3: Barbara just loved that. I mean, she just loved those
Speaker 3: fresh vegetables, you know, out out of my guard. And
Speaker 3: she was always just so gracious, and she loved going
Speaker 3: to my daughter's plays and and that that's the reason
Speaker 3: his passing was such an impact on my family, not
Speaker 3: just on me. I mean he had told you a
Speaker 3: couple of stories about you know, both daughters had nothing
Speaker 3: to do with basketball or ex'es and o's. But Barbara
Speaker 3: was just, uh, she was the runner on that ship,
Speaker 3: he would tell you. I mean, she was just just
Speaker 3: such a beautiful and gracious woman. And he probably told
Speaker 3: you this. Al McGuire introduced them, is how they started dating.
Speaker 3: And he'd like to tell that story. And you know,
Speaker 3: he's one of those guys that sudden these stories you'd
Speaker 3: heard a time or two, but they were still very entertaining,
Speaker 3: you know, you want to. You know, I'd long to
Speaker 3: hear some more.
Speaker 1: Of his stories if I could, certainly, certainly, Joe, before
Speaker 1: I say you lose, just away from Frank for a moment,
Speaker 1: I just wonder what a college coach like you, who
Speaker 1: coached in the game for a number of years, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of makes of where we find ourselves.
Speaker 2: With this sport.
Speaker 1: And you know in State, BYU hires Kevin Young, BYU
Speaker 1: is flexing their nil muscles and they've got a program
Speaker 1: right now with a lot of momentum. And then Alex
Speaker 1: Jensen has been hired to coach his alma mater. And
Speaker 1: I don't know that Utah has the power of the
Speaker 1: person that BYU does right now. Hopefully they can get
Speaker 1: some support because I very much like Alan, I want
Speaker 1: him to succeed. But when you consider things like a
Speaker 1: lot of these players will be making more money than
Speaker 1: any of their and coaches and the.
Speaker 2: Ability to transfer schools.
Speaker 1: If you're not happy with your your lot, what do
Speaker 1: you make of where we find the college game? And
Speaker 1: it certainly would be interested in your take on where
Speaker 1: we find both Utahn and du Yu.
Speaker 3: Well, I've always been a proponent or a long proponent
Speaker 3: that that players should be compensated, uh spence, but not
Speaker 3: to the level that it is now, I think. And unfortunately,
Speaker 3: I think, you know, the cows are out of the
Speaker 3: bar and we ain't getting them back in the barn.
Speaker 3: And it just it just has grown in a very
Speaker 3: short time, with the transfer portal and and with the
Speaker 3: NIL money, into something that is totally unrecognizable for people
Speaker 3: like you and I and people of our generation. But
Speaker 3: I think all the valuable life lessons I learned playing
Speaker 3: basketball in college, and you know, I I back when
Speaker 3: the NIL was first starting, people said, what do you
Speaker 3: think about this? And I, you know, I played at
Speaker 3: Texas Arlington, and I think I'm still the six hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy sixth all time leading school there. Maybe I'm
Speaker 3: not sure, but you know, I thought I was pretty
Speaker 3: damn lucky. You know. I was on full scholarship. We
Speaker 3: were flying around, and we were eating pretty good, you know,
Speaker 3: and I was chasing a few cheerleaders here and there,
Speaker 3: and I thought, God that, you know, how could it
Speaker 3: get any better than this? And you know, I'd go
Speaker 3: back to Indiana and I'd work in the summer and
Speaker 3: I'd make you know, eight hundreds of thousand dollars and
Speaker 3: that was my spending money when I went back to school.
Speaker 3: And you know, that summer job that did a lot
Speaker 3: for who I am today, for you know, the life
Speaker 3: lessons understanding what it's like to work hard. And I
Speaker 3: think we're raising a whole generation of athletes who I'm
Speaker 3: not saying they don't work hard. But if all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, you get out of college and you've been
Speaker 3: making say you're just a sixth or seventh guy and
Speaker 3: you're only making one hundred thousand dollars, and you get
Speaker 3: a degree in communications and you go to work for
Speaker 3: the Colorado Rockies and they say, yeah, we're going to
Speaker 3: hire your starting salary sixty thousand dollars. I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: how's the kid? Well wait a minute, now, you know,
Speaker 3: God I've been making hunt Well. I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: know that we're other long term, that we're doing those
Speaker 3: athletes any favor. And you know who doesn't care though,
Speaker 3: is the fan base. They just go fight, win, let's win,
Speaker 3: let's wall. You know, how made you win this year?
Speaker 3: Are we going to win the champions? You know, things
Speaker 3: like that from an ex coach, I don't I don't
Speaker 3: think we're doing again the athletes any service. But I
Speaker 3: don't know about you. No one called me and asked
Speaker 3: me my opinion on this before they started all this,
Speaker 3: So I don't like where it's is. I don't. I
Speaker 3: can't change it. You can't change it, you know. I'm
Speaker 3: just going to ride along for a while on TV
Speaker 3: and until they quit calling and we'll go play golf.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a good life. How do you like
Speaker 1: the broadcasting thing. You're very good at it. It's very entertaining.
Speaker 1: You have a very unique approach. Are you enjoying the gig?
Speaker 3: I am Spence, I am very very Next year will
Speaker 3: be my twentieth year in broadcasting. I was very blessed,
Speaker 3: you know. After my college coaching career ended, I didn't
Speaker 3: skip a beat. I got right into broadcasting. And you know,
Speaker 3: I again, I'm very lucky. In fact, next year, if
Speaker 3: you count thirty years of coaching, four years of playing,
Speaker 3: and twenty years of broadcasting, will be my fifty fourth
Speaker 3: year involved with college basketball at some level. And I
Speaker 3: feel not a day goes by. I don't think, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm pretty damn lucky. I'm pretty blessed with that. I
Speaker 3: don't never take that for granted. But I tell people
Speaker 3: the greatest, without a doubt, the greatest thing about broadcasting
Speaker 3: is I'm undefeated over nineteen years, you know. I mean,
Speaker 3: I hadn't lost the game, and some of those people
Speaker 3: didn't think I was very smart as a coach. Thank boy, God,
Speaker 3: you're pretty smart all of a sudden as a broadcaster.
Speaker 3: So I am really enjoying it. I have enjoyed it,
Speaker 3: and again I'm going to ride that horse for as
Speaker 3: long as I can and until I finally fall off
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 1: I guess well, Like I said, it's tremendously entertaining. I've
Speaker 1: long been a fan of the broadcast, and I really
Speaker 1: appreciate your time and perspective today, Joe, So stay safe,
Speaker 1: be well, and we'd love to get you on soon.
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Vitch. I want to take a second. I've
Speaker 3: got a golf buddy who is out of town up
Speaker 3: in Oregit, a long time listener and fan of yours,
Speaker 3: Bruce Stevens. I want to say hello too, and hope
Speaker 3: he's doing well up there. He and his wife have
Speaker 3: left Utah to escape the heat, but he is a loyal,
Speaker 3: loyal listener of yours and a little friend of mine,
Speaker 3: and I appreciate you having me on and uh, I'd
Speaker 3: like to do it again sometime.
Speaker 2: That's very kind, Sir.
Speaker 1: Joe Craven's longtime college coach Utah Idaho Weeper State. He's
Speaker 1: with a Mound West Conference as a broadcaster now and
Speaker 1: lifelong friends with the legendary Frank Leaden.