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<v Speaker 1>Well whiskey coming fame, my pain, the honeys.

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<v Speaker 2>All, ray, oh whiskey.

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<v Speaker 1>Why think alone when you can drink it all? In

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<v Speaker 1>with Ricochet's Three Whiskey Happy Hour, Join your bartenders, Steve Hayward,

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<v Speaker 1>John You, and the International Woman of Mystery Lucretia where

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<v Speaker 1>they slaps it happen livid? Ain't you bb on the

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<v Speaker 1>show taps, gotta give me and let that whiskey bloon.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome everybody to a live version of the Three Whiskey

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<v Speaker 2>Happy Hour. We're back on substack. We have left zoom

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<v Speaker 2>left recording and just presenting it to people after the fact.

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<v Speaker 2>We have many many people joining watching live, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>inviting comments and questions in the comments in the live

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<v Speaker 2>chat section. I'm John You, one of the co host

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<v Speaker 2>of the Three Whiskey Happy Hour, and I'm joined by

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<v Speaker 2>my co hosts Steve Hayward, who is caught in mid qift. Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you doing? What are you drinking there?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just having my standby Lefroy because it's Friday and

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<v Speaker 1>it's all half so great, right, No, I've gotten an

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<v Speaker 1>end of course.

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<v Speaker 2>The International Woman of Mystery Lucretia, how are you?

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<v Speaker 3>And what are you, Lucretia person.

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<v Speaker 2>My new name.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you don't know what that refers to you?

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<v Speaker 2>John? I think so you're talking about the identification of

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<v Speaker 2>the Canadian.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, the gun person person, gun person, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember when Fetterman got elected, I said, why aren't

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<v Speaker 2>the Democrats calling him fetter inks?

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<v Speaker 4>I know, I know, but now he's like more solid

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<v Speaker 4>than half the Republicans in the Senate. So actually, I

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<v Speaker 4>am drinking. I am drinking a mixture of tea, honey,

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<v Speaker 4>lemon and whiskey. Oh you're not feeling well, little little

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<v Speaker 4>thanks to Steve A little bit of a this week?

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<v Speaker 2>Were you yelling at well?

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't you hear last year show?

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<v Speaker 2>I was?

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I was getting horse, you know, during last

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<v Speaker 1>week's show, and we taped in Austin, and it only

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<v Speaker 1>got worse over the weekend. And I had no voice

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<v Speaker 1>in class on Monday. It was it was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>six hours in class on Monday.

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<v Speaker 2>Did anybody notice.

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<v Speaker 1>I had some guest lecturers? I had Lynn Keasling came

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<v Speaker 1>to my class by zoom last Monday, and that was great.

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<v Speaker 1>You saw you both saw her. Well, you were the

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<v Speaker 1>panel chair, Lucretia. Anyway, we'll come back to the John.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, look, we always have to, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>The main news story of the week is the latest

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<v Speaker 1>McDonald's news. A thread on Reddit which was the one

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars challenge, how would you spend one thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 1>at McDonald's in two days? And somebody said they'd spend

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thousand dollars getting the ice cream machine fixed,

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<v Speaker 1>which I thought was the best answer.

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<v Speaker 2>I see, that's funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought so. But apparently that's a conspiracy for.

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<v Speaker 2>The ice cream machine. The one that breaks down even

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<v Speaker 2>more is the mcflurry machine is more an advanced version. No,

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<v Speaker 2>that's like a because it does the mixing of the

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<v Speaker 2>ice cream with other things like M and m's and

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<v Speaker 2>so on. So that thing apparently breaks down even more

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<v Speaker 2>than the ice cream machine. And then of course there

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<v Speaker 2>must be some kind of rare McRib machine because it's

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<v Speaker 2>so expensive, a rare it's only brought out a few

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<v Speaker 2>times a year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we better bring it back soon because bitcoin keeps

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<v Speaker 1>plunging in price. It's it's having a bear market.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know this one thousand dollars over two

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<v Speaker 2>day challenge, of course, that got me to thinking how

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<v Speaker 2>what exactly would you order? So of course you would

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<v Speaker 2>try to order something that had the least number of

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<v Speaker 2>calories per dollar. So I think that's got to be

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<v Speaker 2>something like a triple patty, you know, big Max special

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that. But I haven't been to McDonald's

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<v Speaker 2>lately to test it out. But I'm going to this weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to go and see what's the most expensive

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<v Speaker 2>things you could buy at McDonald's.

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<v Speaker 1>You haven't been there for a while, are you? Are you?

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<v Speaker 4>No? No?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I just haven't been there since I heard

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<v Speaker 2>about this challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Of course I've given McDonald's recently.

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<v Speaker 1>O God, I have.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't going to try and stop. All my friends

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<v Speaker 2>from Texas has been urging me because they know about

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<v Speaker 2>my love of convenience stores, to stop at something called BUCkies.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you guys ever been to a Bucki's? But I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't had the time, and they're not right in downtown.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to drive out about thirty minutes. But I

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<v Speaker 2>drove by one today but I couldn't stop because I

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<v Speaker 2>was rushing back to do this podcast, and it looked

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<v Speaker 2>like a cost Coast sized convenience store with already glass

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<v Speaker 2>pumps out in front. So I'm very excited to try this.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that Bucky's beats Walla any day, John.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, John, in the fighting words. My advice is set

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<v Speaker 1>aside a couple of days to clear your calendar, because

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<v Speaker 1>I think once you get inside BUCkies you might not

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<v Speaker 1>leave for quiet.

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<v Speaker 2>Really.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm not kidding, You're gonna be I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to get your review of it. BUCkies is awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>One of my friend friends at the Vailor where I

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<v Speaker 2>was today a fellow named Kleineman, who's a good political scientist.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I know who he is.

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<v Speaker 2>You I've written a book about presidential power. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>what you want to get is the beef jerky. So

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<v Speaker 2>he said there's so many kinds. I was like, how

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<v Speaker 2>do you choose? And he goes, you get free tastes

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<v Speaker 2>of jerky there, and I was like, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>mean you actually take a piece of jerky and just

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<v Speaker 2>take a poll and give it back. I mean, how

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<v Speaker 2>do you get a free slice of beef jerky? Anyway?

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<v Speaker 2>So enough about my favorite subject, convenience stores, and let's

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<v Speaker 2>turn into the first ish. I'd like to start with

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<v Speaker 2>the creature, which is the latest machinations and schemes in Washington, DC,

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<v Speaker 2>where I think we've seen the Congress now going on

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<v Speaker 2>vacation without passing the Save Act and also not funding DHS.

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<v Speaker 1>Did they go on vacation, Well, they've gone on a

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they've left, and so DHS is going unfunded starting

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend. Of course this isn't applied to ICE because

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<v Speaker 2>ICE is specially funded the beautiful bill, that's right, and

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of the government is funded. But if you remember,

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<v Speaker 2>in the budget deal, Congress decided to cut out the

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<v Speaker 2>to be an individual vote up or down on DJs.

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<v Speaker 2>And as you know, the Democrats have refused to approve

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<v Speaker 2>to ICE operations like no wearing of masks. Apparently no

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<v Speaker 2>administrative warrants know what they're calling aggressive sweeps, whatever that means.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you haven't been able to get agreement on

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<v Speaker 2>the dh just funding bill. But I hear the creatious

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<v Speaker 2>worried the Republicans are going to cave to all of

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<v Speaker 2>this without passing the Save Act. Appreciate.

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<v Speaker 4>So the last I heard is that they actually had

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<v Speaker 4>fifty votes because Thune and Collins both decided to vote

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<v Speaker 3>So now all we need is for Thune to stop being.

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<v Speaker 4>The worst that he is, oh and decide to hold

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<v Speaker 4>a talking filibuster, which he can he can do. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't I don't think that they should abolish the filibuster

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<v Speaker 4>for a whole variety of reasons, but.

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<v Speaker 3>Not over this anyway.

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<v Speaker 4>But he can do a talking filibuster and force Democrats

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<v Speaker 4>to get out there and argue that women liberal women

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<v Speaker 4>are too stupid to be able to figure out how

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<v Speaker 4>to get an ID that has an appropriate IDA with

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<v Speaker 4>their married name on it, because how are they going

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<v Speaker 4>to change their birth certificates? Oh my god, these people.

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<v Speaker 4>You don't change your birth certificate when you change your name.

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<v Speaker 4>When you get married, you take your birth certificate to

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<v Speaker 4>then that's how you change your name. And then you

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<v Speaker 4>and it takes you five minutes and it costs you ten dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, it's so stupid.

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<v Speaker 4>But the problem is so the Gora and I went

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<v Speaker 4>this is almost as good as repealing the Nineteenth Amendment.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, no, the problem is going to be all

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<v Speaker 4>those damn single liberal women who still have their maiden

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<v Speaker 4>name unless they married their cats.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe right quickly, I should explain what the SAVE Act is,

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<v Speaker 2>which I'm sorry. The Save Act would be federal legislation

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<v Speaker 2>that establishes nationwide for voting a requirement for voter id

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<v Speaker 2>And what Lucretie is referring to is that this criticism

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<v Speaker 2>or accusations that this might prove difficult for married women

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<v Speaker 2>whose birth certificate name and driver's i D name could

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<v Speaker 2>be different. But the basic idea of the SAVE actors

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<v Speaker 2>to establish some minimum standards for federal elections. It also

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<v Speaker 2>some versions of it banned universal mail in voting, for example,

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<v Speaker 2>as well, Steve, let me turn to you. But Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought we didn't one federal election legislation. Wasn't that

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<v Speaker 2>the art that Republicans made against the Democrats HR one.

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<v Speaker 2>If you remember at the beginning of the Biden administration,

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<v Speaker 2>the argument Republicans made is that the Constitution gives the

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<v Speaker 2>responsibility to running elections to the states, subject to a

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<v Speaker 2>federal override if Congress chooses to pass one, but that

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<v Speaker 2>it had been Republicans in general that had opposed universal

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<v Speaker 2>nationwide rules on elections. Steve, what do you think, Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, that was purely political, but for all the right reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>They wanted to override all of the red states that

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<v Speaker 1>have tighter voting oversight, including requiring IDs, which by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>is wildly popular even with Democrats. I mean CNN as

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<v Speaker 1>a poll showing you know, eighty five percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>public supports it, in seventy percent of Democrats, seventy percent

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<v Speaker 1>of blacks. So this is just a typical leftist racemongering.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I mean, in that case, of course, you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want them to hr. One of the Democrats was

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<v Speaker 1>let's increase ways democrats can cheat at elections. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>that was about. So even if you repaired behind the

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<v Speaker 1>argument that the Constitution has multiple provisions on this that

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<v Speaker 1>are arguably contradictory.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait wait, wait, they're not contradictory. The clause says states states.

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<v Speaker 2>It's basically says states determine the time, place, and matter

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<v Speaker 2>of elections. Right, And it's as basically comma except for

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<v Speaker 2>exceptions and regulations that Congress wishes to So Congress can

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<v Speaker 2>always override the state rules, but the state rules are primary,

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<v Speaker 2>and the rules, yeah, go ahead.

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<v Speaker 4>What I want to bring up, though, is the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that we have the fifteenth Amendment. It kind of want

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<v Speaker 4>to leave the nineteenth Amendment out of it, but it

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<v Speaker 4>does fall into it sort of the twenty fourth Amendment

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<v Speaker 4>leave the twenty sixth Amendment out to but you could.

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<v Speaker 4>Especially the fifteenth Amendment and the twenty fourth Amendment were

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<v Speaker 4>passed because Democrats in Southern states, Democrats generally speaking, wanted

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<v Speaker 4>to corrupt our electoral process by not allowing citizens to vote,

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<v Speaker 4>not allowing citizens in the case of the fifteenth Amendment,

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<v Speaker 4>who are citizens now as a result of the fourteenth Amendment,

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<v Speaker 4>newly freed slaves, etc. And then, of course the twenty

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<v Speaker 4>fourth Amendment was designed to get rid of the many.

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<v Speaker 3>Sneaky, malicious laws.

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<v Speaker 4>That Democrats passed after the fifteenth Amendment, so that they

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<v Speaker 4>designed to do. It's what the excuse me, the twenty

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<v Speaker 4>trying to do the same thing. There has been now

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<v Speaker 4>very serious evidence allegations with evidence down in Georgia, and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm to understand that they're now in my home state

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<v Speaker 4>massive voter fraud in twenty and twenty four whatever twenty

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<v Speaker 4>two here, why not ensure that you don't have these

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<v Speaker 4>them get driver's license and do all those other things

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<v Speaker 4>bringing out this heritage study that says only thirty four

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<v Speaker 4>cases in the whole history of the world have ever

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<v Speaker 4>been found of illegals voting.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't read it. I don't know if any of

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<v Speaker 4>where the heck it was. Back in somewhere on the

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<v Speaker 4>not a citizen was elected mayor re elected mayor of

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<v Speaker 4>about the fact that she is an illegal alien Minnesota representative.

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<v Speaker 4>Did she vote for herself?

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<v Speaker 3>The more on? I mean, what the heck?

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<v Speaker 2>How can those obviously would not be prohibited by the

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<v Speaker 3>Well, well for herself.

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<v Speaker 2>But actually the Georgia case is interesting because I think

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<v Speaker 2>eight cases out of two million registered voters of people

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<v Speaker 2>who are not qualified to be on the roles. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>does eight? I mean that's a tiny percentage, right, that's

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<v Speaker 2>less than less and less than one percent? Does that

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<v Speaker 2>justify enacting John nationwide? John happening, But you have yet

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<v Speaker 2>to produce real evidence of enough fraud to change any election.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know that we need to anybody wants to

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<v Speaker 4>prove to change the election outcome. That's not the point.

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<v Speaker 4>The point is to show how fraud happened so that

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<v Speaker 3>And there's not votes in Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>John three, you're saying three hundred thousand votes in Georgia

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<v Speaker 3>No, we're have questions about them.

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<v Speaker 1>Three points if three points, if I may one is

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<v Speaker 1>if there's really no fraud happening at all, Uh, then

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<v Speaker 1>what's the problem with passing some safeguards because it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>prevent anyone from voting. But the second one is there

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<v Speaker 1>have been several jurisdictions. I think even New York had

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<v Speaker 1>non citizens to vote in municipal elections.

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<v Speaker 2>They're less two.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean thought I thought they lost that in the

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<v Speaker 2>The courts under their own state constitution. It's a question

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<v Speaker 1>But now does it come on common sense? You really

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<v Speaker 1>think that you have a lot of people who are

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<v Speaker 1>they'll vote for guess who that there aren't attempts to

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<v Speaker 1>for them. Second point is is, look, I mean there's

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<v Speaker 1>mounting evidence, although smoking gun proof is hard to assemble of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, massive welfare fraud like in Minnesota. You really

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<v Speaker 1>think all those people Minnesota who are giving big campaign

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<v Speaker 1>contributions to Democrats aren't casting any votes? Come on, John,

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<v Speaker 1>even you are not that naive. Nor Look, my point

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, I don't think it's possible to drive

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<v Speaker 2>anything like this to zero. And so the question is

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<v Speaker 2>is it worth enacting nationwide federal legislation when Republicans have

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<v Speaker 2>taken the position that we should just allow states to

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<v Speaker 1>Well, okay, I'll give you my exit proposition now, which is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Democrats love all those social democracies in England

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<v Speaker 1>and in Europe, you know, Denmark, Sweden, France. My proposal is,

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<v Speaker 1>let's have the same voting rules that they have deal

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<v Speaker 1>because guess what, there are a lot tougher rules than

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<v Speaker 1>we have. And so if they love those social democracies

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<v Speaker 1>for all their well for state, let's have their voting

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<v Speaker 1>rules tool. I'll make that. I will make that deal tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll make it to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's let's take a break. We're going to go

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<v Speaker 2>to uh one of the most enticing ads ever for

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<v Speaker 1>We are the Korea. Well you know, yeah about stuff? Right? Sorry?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I guess you count as a conservative sometimes, John,

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<v Speaker 4>Sometimes you know, the kind of that won't stand up

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<v Speaker 4>for free and fair elections but steal a conservat I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't think anything's free or fair. That's the problem.

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<v Speaker 4>But we should move forward that, don't you think. But

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<v Speaker 4>calling you any names to night, so best behavior not

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<v Speaker 4>in this segment now, I'm trying to be on my

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<v Speaker 4>best behavior the whole night. But if you enjoy conservatives

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<v Speaker 4>arguing like we do, and you don't want to hear

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<v Speaker 3>Probably try try out a new podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't shy away from it.

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<v Speaker 4>His podcast doesn't shy away from these conservative disputes. They

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<v Speaker 2>I'm amazed that you know, the gold Bar advertising advertisers

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<v Speaker 2>mean they've gotten back God William Devane, he always plays

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<v Speaker 2>the president of the Secretary of Defense. Right, they should

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<v Speaker 2>have a female version as well, well, A wonderful ed

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<v Speaker 4>Before you move on, John, to the next point, since

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<v Speaker 4>I actually answered your question, you didn't ask in the

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<v Speaker 4>our list. Sorry, my brain was just going in that direction.

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<v Speaker 4>I kind of want to make a really serious point

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<v Speaker 4>for a second, and that is that, Okay, I won't

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<v Speaker 4>call him out by name, but at our conference last week,

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<v Speaker 4>our good friend and I had a conversation, and he's

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<v Speaker 4>back off on immigration. We have to back off on

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<v Speaker 4>the idea that we should deport every illegal immigrant, because

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<v Speaker 4>Trump's going to lose that battle, and you know, it's

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<v Speaker 4>already Independents are turning away from him, et cetera, et cetera,

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<v Speaker 4>and we should, you know, and we're at fault as

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<v Speaker 4>unfettered illegal immigration into the country. So all of these

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<v Speaker 4>people came in thinking that they were being welcomed, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's not fair to kick them out. Again, good conservative

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<v Speaker 4>on most issues, I think that this is a watershed moment.

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<v Speaker 4>Either the United States decides that we are going to

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<v Speaker 4>have laws, We're going to have immigration laws, we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to have them enforced fairly but universally, or we become

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<v Speaker 4>a nation of.

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<v Speaker 3>Lawlessness. You know, something right out.

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<v Speaker 4>Of Abraham Lincoln's I see him address right, Yes, and anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>that's my major point that I really did want to

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<v Speaker 4>make about this, John, And I think that the SAYBAC

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<v Speaker 4>goes along with that a little bit. But more so

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<v Speaker 4>is this idea that we should play politics with the

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<v Speaker 4>enforcement of our laws and decide that, you know, something

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<v Speaker 4>as important as our own sovereign borders can just be

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<v Speaker 2>I'm afraid. I just think it's impossible to force any laws.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's a policy question how much we want to

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<v Speaker 2>devote towards how many resources we want to devote towards enforcement,

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<v Speaker 2>the polls show people think that the Trump administration has

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<v Speaker 2>gone too far? Now a majority of Republicans still support

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<v Speaker 2>the enforcement levels, but the Democrats, of course heavily oppose it.

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<v Speaker 2>But Independence have turned against this level of immigration enforcement. Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think about that? Should should independence decide

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<v Speaker 2>how much enforcement authorities get thrown into the immigration fight?

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<v Speaker 2>Or should the President Trump, as Lucretia's advising, keep going

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<v Speaker 2>forward until all the illegal aliens are removed from the country.

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<v Speaker 1>John, So, first of all, general proposition, independence should be

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<v Speaker 1>relied upon to be a decisive voice in absolutely nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever the issue is. You know, every four years they

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<v Speaker 1>have these debates where the last debate is with undecided voters,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you ever watched those, they are always morons, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>who's undecided? Three weeks before national election? Morons undecided and

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<v Speaker 1>they asked moronic questions now. But the more serious point,

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<v Speaker 1>media onslaught on this. Look the media accounts for a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>They still swing public opinion five ten points on things.

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<v Speaker 1>That's you know, Timothy Grows Closest Findings and other people

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<v Speaker 1>that I think are pretty robust. And the great thing

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<v Speaker 1>know what. And look, John, I don't think even they

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<v Speaker 1>think we're going to deport every single person who crossed

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<v Speaker 1>over illegally at whatever timeframe. But one of things about

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<v Speaker 1>this it is working is you know, everyone thought Mitt

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<v Speaker 1>And I say stay the course, just like Reagan did

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<v Speaker 1>about the economy in nineteen eighty two, and don't pay

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<v Speaker 1>attention to the darn poles. John, that is the road

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<v Speaker 1>Lucreas is agreeing with me furiously. Maybe I should keep going.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a rare moment I can enjoy it well.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, first of all, I haven't paid as much

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<v Speaker 4>attention to the polls themselves in and looked into the

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<v Speaker 4>questions and so forth. I wouldn't be surprised to find

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<v Speaker 4>that many of them are pushfulls and not actually trying

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<v Speaker 4>to find out what public opinion, public sentiment on the

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<v Speaker 4>issue really is. But Steve's also right when he says it,

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<v Speaker 4>the media play.

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<v Speaker 3>On this has just been appalling.

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<v Speaker 2>And.

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<v Speaker 3>You're right, of course, John.

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<v Speaker 4>We will never have the resources to enforce every single law.

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<v Speaker 4>We're not going to arrest every Jaywalker, and I get

436
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<v Speaker 4>all that, Nor are we going to prosecute every jaywalker

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<v Speaker 4>and so on. We have limited resources, but there cannot

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<v Speaker 4>be in a country that claims to be a sovereign country,

439
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<v Speaker 4>they cannot have open borders that allows anybody to come in,

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<v Speaker 4>including enemies and terrorists, etc. That's a whole nother thing.

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<v Speaker 4>But the other problem, of course is that use Minnesota

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<v Speaker 4>as an example. It was one thing for my grandparents

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<v Speaker 4>and your parents to come here. They didn't come here

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<v Speaker 4>and go on welfare, right, I mean, and they came

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<v Speaker 4>here and they worked hard. They might have gone to

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<v Speaker 4>a community diaspora of their own people where they got

447
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<v Speaker 4>some help along the way, for sure, but nobody expected

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<v Speaker 4>that they would come here and just feed off the public,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what, for the rest of their lives. And

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<v Speaker 4>that in and of itself is so problematic. Never mind

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<v Speaker 4>the lack of assimilation and so on. We cannot tolerate.

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<v Speaker 4>This is one of those things we have to put

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<v Speaker 4>resources to and that's why Trump won in.

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<v Speaker 3>Twenty twenty four in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 4>And we cannot just decide, Okay, well, you know, this

456
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<v Speaker 4>person has been living here for sixteen years. Let's stay

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<v Speaker 4>overstayed there three months visa. But they haven't really broken

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<v Speaker 4>any laws, so we won't go after them.

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<v Speaker 3>We cannot do that. I mean, it just seems to

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<v Speaker 3>me basic.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's move on to another topic. Since I'm the host.

462
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<v Speaker 2>I can't really you said this is so unfair or

463
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<v Speaker 2>not violent or violent, I've been canceled, so topic number

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<v Speaker 2>two and it just gets worse for me after this

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<v Speaker 2>last topic is I'm going to trigger discussing the act

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<v Speaker 2>which shall not be named. But perhaps what I think

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<v Speaker 2>this probably is true. President Trump announced on Friday the

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<v Speaker 2>reversal of something called the Endangerment Finding, which he said

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<v Speaker 2>was the largest single active deregulation in American history. Yeah, Steve,

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<v Speaker 2>what is the endangerment finding? It sounds like some kind

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<v Speaker 2>of riskue musical or sometime. What is an endangerment finding?

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<v Speaker 2>And why is it so important? And does it actually

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<v Speaker 2>produce the greatest single active deregulation in American history?

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<v Speaker 1>In reverse order? The answer is yes. But John, you

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<v Speaker 1>can relax. We have reached the point for our purposes

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<v Speaker 1>in this podcast. With certain band statutes. That reminds me

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<v Speaker 1>of the a comic novel from the eighties. It was

478
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<v Speaker 1>Richard Gramier's great comic novel The Marrakesh one, two and

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<v Speaker 1>it's about a bunch of CIA officers whose cover was

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<v Speaker 1>there could go to the Middle least and spy. But

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to be making a movie about Mohammad, and

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't realize that you can't actually allow you're not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to. So that was the comic device, as the

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<v Speaker 1>whole comic device was the entire movie. All the scenes,

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<v Speaker 1>all the dialogue would be shooting reaction shots of people

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<v Speaker 1>looking and listening to Mohammad. But then then you couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>even have the shadow of Mohammad onto the ground, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean it was. It was a very funny novel.

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<v Speaker 1>If it had been more of a best seller Richard Granier,

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<v Speaker 1>he would have gotten the Fatua instead of Salmon Rushti

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<v Speaker 1>in the later eighties. So the point is, I can

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<v Speaker 1>discuss this Sean without mentioning a certain prohibited statute that

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<v Speaker 1>rhymes with bear fair or fact or something like that. Okay, look,

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<v Speaker 1>this was the lynchpin of regulating of nationalizing all of

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<v Speaker 1>our energy from the electric power grid and power plants

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<v Speaker 1>to our automobiles and even our appliances. And the EPA

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<v Speaker 1>did that because that statue that won't be named never

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<v Speaker 1>did include carbon dioxide and greenhouse gases, so they had

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<v Speaker 1>she warnered in with the help of a close Supreme Court.

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<v Speaker 1>Both that you know, all about a couple of things

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<v Speaker 1>to be said about this. I've been wanting to say

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<v Speaker 1>from the beginning of the week. You know, endangerment Will

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<v Speaker 1>Robinson or something in old days, but.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a space reference for those keeping Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't sure you're old enough for that, John, But look,

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<v Speaker 1>I will say this military analogy that ought to be

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<v Speaker 1>close to home for you. This move this week by

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is the inchon landing of the tax on the

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<v Speaker 1>administrative state, right. I mean, you know the history of

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<v Speaker 1>that in the Korean War, I assume. And so first,

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<v Speaker 1>it's unimaginable that any Republican named Bush or Romney or

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<v Speaker 1>McCain would have ever done anything. McCain and Rodney, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, they were totally down with the climate change hysteria, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I won't go through their sorry record on all that.

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<v Speaker 1>And the Bushes would never have resisted it. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>only Trump could go to China, you know the Nixon thing, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Only Trump would do this, and good for him. Second,

518
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<v Speaker 1>and this is long entangled. I don't want to bore

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<v Speaker 1>people with the ins and outs. But I think they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna make this stick because of careful preparation to make

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<v Speaker 1>it stand up to legal challenge. They're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>a legal challenge, but I think they're going to make

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<v Speaker 1>the stick. Even the New York Times this week said, gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like this one was not easy for a

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<v Speaker 1>future Democrat to reverse with an executive order or a

526
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<v Speaker 1>new EPA dictat that's long and complicated. But the final

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<v Speaker 1>thing to me is the media coverage. You expected to

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<v Speaker 1>be hysterical. I didn't expect it to be completely stupid.

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<v Speaker 1>So ABC News, their evening news broadcasts, I think yesterday

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<v Speaker 1>the day before, said Trump is depriving the EPA and

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<v Speaker 1>the government of the ability to control the climate, as

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<v Speaker 1>if our EPA could control the whole world's climate with

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<v Speaker 1>a knob. I mean, how are they going to do this?

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<v Speaker 1>It turns out, if you want to just one fact

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<v Speaker 1>about this, none, almost none of the interventions that have

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<v Speaker 1>been made by US or other industrialized countries has had

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<v Speaker 1>any effect on the decarbonization rate of our energy systems,

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<v Speaker 1>which is going along for two hundred years now at

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<v Speaker 1>about one or a half or sent a year. Not

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<v Speaker 1>because people want to be clean and green. We like

541
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<v Speaker 1>efficiency because when you're efficient, guess what, you make more money? Right,

542
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<v Speaker 1>And none of this is working, it's not making any difference.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So this is I mean, I'm enjoying this. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I can go on a while. One last

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<v Speaker 1>thing is the media covers decided to not use certain

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<v Speaker 1>prominent climatista voices like Michael Mann, the guy who sued

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<v Speaker 1>Nash Review It is now on the hook for millions

548
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<v Speaker 1>of dollars for lying to the court. Well Ap interviewed

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<v Speaker 1>him and then put him up in an early version

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<v Speaker 1>of the story and then took him out because even

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<v Speaker 1>the media is coming around and realizing these people really

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<v Speaker 1>were crazy and they're still going to report wrongly and

553
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<v Speaker 1>badly in reports that every storm is a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because of climate change.

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<v Speaker 3>Did they take him out of the stick.

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<v Speaker 1>Stick?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I'll stop there because as you know, I can

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<v Speaker 1>bore you forever without even mentioning.

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<v Speaker 2>You already you already have, Steve, don't put yourself. Probably so,

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<v Speaker 2>Lucretia has done her part, believe it or not, in

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<v Speaker 2>popping the hysteria about climate change. Because the reason we

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<v Speaker 2>were all three of us in Austin last Friday was

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<v Speaker 2>for a conference by the Civitas Institute about climate change.

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<v Speaker 2>We had panelists who were part of this Department of

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<v Speaker 2>Energy special task Force to evaluate the science behind climate change,

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<v Speaker 2>behind the engagement finding, which was very critical, and Lucretia

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<v Speaker 2>shared a pad the third panel and I actually didn't

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<v Speaker 2>it just to ask you, lu Christian, what is your

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<v Speaker 2>view of climate change and the science and the economics,

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<v Speaker 2>the things that you heard and saw while you were

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<v Speaker 2>moderating these panels, because you were moderating, so you couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>speak your mind, much like the moderator tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the funny thing was is that we had a

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<v Speaker 4>kind of an outlier on our pan who's well, I

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<v Speaker 4>actually found really interesting and everybody's gonna get a kick out.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually probably not. You're going to be upset about this.

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<v Speaker 4>But in the midst of all the academies and the

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<v Speaker 4>political science theory that she threw into her presentation, what

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<v Speaker 4>she was talking about was the fact that the reason

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<v Speaker 4>our homeowner's insurance rates are skyrocketing is not because you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the whatever happened in Tennessee or even California. It's because

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<v Speaker 4>climate change risk is being from the models, the models

585
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<v Speaker 4>of climate change risk that can't even predict accurately what

586
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<v Speaker 4>happened in the past, are being built into by the

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<v Speaker 4>actuaries into our homeowner's insurance rates. And I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>about you guys, but mine's gone up three hundred percent

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<v Speaker 4>in the twenty years I've owned this home and I've

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<v Speaker 4>never had a claim. And the biggest part of that is,

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<v Speaker 4>I know, housing prices go up, which means it's more

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<v Speaker 4>expensive to replace.

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<v Speaker 3>A home if it burns down.

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<v Speaker 4>I get all that, but it's still way beyond anything

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<v Speaker 4>that you should expect. So I thought that was really

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<v Speaker 4>interesting when you know her explanation of really sort of

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<v Speaker 4>intricate details about how the politics inside of Congress work

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<v Speaker 4>on that.

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<v Speaker 3>But the main point was that climate.

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<v Speaker 4>Change risks, which is a hoax of major proportions, in

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<v Speaker 4>case you were wondering, my thoughts is, actually, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>it has all sorts of really negative consequences beyond those

603
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<v Speaker 4>stupid cars that shut down when you stop at a stoplight.

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<v Speaker 4>The first time I went and took my card to

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<v Speaker 4>the Audi dealer and they gave me a loaner and

606
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<v Speaker 4>I got to the stop light and car stalled, and

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<v Speaker 4>I took it back. I said, installed at the stop light,

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<v Speaker 4>and they thought I was, you know, the dumb blonde,

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<v Speaker 4>which I was, but I didn't know that six eight

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<v Speaker 4>years ago, sending maybe more. Yeah, but you know what

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<v Speaker 4>a stupid thing. And I remember being a kid, you know,

612
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<v Speaker 4>when I first would drive, you'd never turn your engine off,

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<v Speaker 4>like if you're going to run inside the house, because

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<v Speaker 4>it was bad for it. And I just I could

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<v Speaker 4>never get myself to stop being upset when it would

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<v Speaker 4>do that. One car we had had a button, but

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<v Speaker 4>you had to push it every time, you know that,

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<v Speaker 4>So that's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>I know. Well, at least in America we have the

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<v Speaker 1>option of turning that field. I have two cars that

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<v Speaker 1>have that start automatic stop thing, and I have it

622
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<v Speaker 1>to save you because you can do that. Here in Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's mandatory because they're you know, fuel Nazis

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<v Speaker 1>and everything else. Right, Yeah, I think we should say, though, Lucretia.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the person you're talking about is Jessica Winkle

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<v Speaker 1>from the University of North Carolina, and she's what do

627
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<v Speaker 1>you say about her? She's she's not terribly political. She's

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of an outlier in this sense. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I think she would not say climate change as a hoax.

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<v Speaker 1>I think she's probably a person who can be described

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<v Speaker 1>as a blop warmer. Yeah, well, okay, I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't read I've read a lot of it. I've always

633
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<v Speaker 1>put up She's very careful about saying, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>something's off here. And look her main point, which she

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<v Speaker 1>came to at the end. And by the way, I

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<v Speaker 1>think she hasn't been too many conferences quite like this one,

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<v Speaker 1>although there haven't been many quite like this.

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<v Speaker 3>And I didn't even tug about the most fun one, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, the climate of the one I was on was

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<v Speaker 2>really boring. The best panel anyway, scientist her main where

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<v Speaker 2>they just wailed on each other and yeah, scientific felons

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<v Speaker 2>and frauds, right, it was wonderful. Well, I'm so glad

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<v Speaker 2>they just finished with Jessica to each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh go ahead, sorry, let me finish with Jessica. In

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<v Speaker 1>one sentence, her culminating main point was scientific expertise has

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<v Speaker 1>been damaged and it's their own fault, right because we've

647
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<v Speaker 1>given too many of these extravagant claims about climate change,

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<v Speaker 1>and the insurance companies have exploited this, right and anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so no She's very good, I think, and an interesting

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<v Speaker 1>person to keep your eye on. But yet the side,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, she made me sad. I'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me say this is a totally different thing. But

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<v Speaker 4>I think you guys will appreciate it. My academic career

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<v Speaker 4>inside of you know that the regular thing is coming

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<v Speaker 4>to an end. Happily, I turned in my paperwork to retire.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm very happy about that.

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<v Speaker 2>So now she's Lucretia America.

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<v Speaker 4>Well I have to grant it first, but but but

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<v Speaker 4>my point is is that we had a long talk

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<v Speaker 4>about and she was asking me for advice about how

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<v Speaker 4>you sort of deal with with with the intricacies of

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<v Speaker 4>getting tenure and and being you know, I mean her

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<v Speaker 4>her course load to teach based on how much research

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<v Speaker 4>she was expected to do was it was astounding, and

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<v Speaker 4>I just remember feeling awful for her and thinking, God,

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<v Speaker 4>akadem is a terrible pleace to be these days. Anyway, Sorry,

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<v Speaker 4>that was a total little tangent, but I know that

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<v Speaker 4>our listeners sometimes like to hear a little bit about

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<v Speaker 4>what's going on in academia, and it's awful.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, well, on that happy note, we are going to

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<v Speaker 2>take another ad break coming back I thought one more

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<v Speaker 2>interesting topic for a discussion had to do with a

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<v Speaker 2>great conference I got to participate in this week at

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<v Speaker 2>the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, which was a conference

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<v Speaker 2>devoted to evaluating the legacy of Justice Scalia last week.

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<v Speaker 2>This week was the tenth anniversary of his death. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you believe it's been ten years? And it was a

678
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<v Speaker 2>lot of fun because it was right now that was

679
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<v Speaker 2>a distance of time, asking people what they thought about

680
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<v Speaker 2>his impact, his influence, why he had any and so

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<v Speaker 2>I got to tell some interesting personal stories about my

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<v Speaker 2>relationship with him. Because the year I clerked for Justice Thomas,

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<v Speaker 2>none of Justice Scalia's clerks played squash or tennis, and

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<v Speaker 2>I did. I played both, So I ended up driving

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<v Speaker 2>Justice Scalia to play squash of tennis twice a week,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would talk to him during these times, and

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<v Speaker 2>being a twenty five year old smart ass, recent graduate

688
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<v Speaker 2>of law school, I would ask him and say all

689
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<v Speaker 2>kinds of now that I think about it, crazy ridiculous

690
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<v Speaker 2>things to him, like nobody agrees with you, why do

691
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<v Speaker 2>you write the sentence at all? So on I look back,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't believe I asked them things like this, But

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<v Speaker 2>my main steps. And I'll tell some of these stories

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<v Speaker 2>another time, because I do feel like I got to

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<v Speaker 2>know him pretty well. I should have written it up

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<v Speaker 2>into a book. Actually, all the things we talked about.

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<v Speaker 2>But one thing that I tried to say on the

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<v Speaker 2>panel is if the Court strikes down independent agencies for

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<v Speaker 2>good this year, right as I think it will in

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<v Speaker 2>this case about the FTC, the slaughter case over Wall,

701
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<v Speaker 2>as Humphrey's executor, it will be the ultimate vindication of

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<v Speaker 2>Justice Scilia, because in his very first year he dissented

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<v Speaker 2>alone in Morrison versus Olsen and said that the Independent

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<v Speaker 2>Council statute was unconstitutional. Now today that almost seems inevitable.

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<v Speaker 2>His logic that the executive powers granted the Constitutions granted

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<v Speaker 2>executive power to the president must include the power to

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<v Speaker 2>fire anybody who is responsible for executing federal law. It

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<v Speaker 2>seems inevitable that the Court would adopt that logic. It

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<v Speaker 2>seems inevitable that all these independent agencies would eventually be

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<v Speaker 2>brought to reign. But in nineteen eighty seven, in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>eighty eight, really Scillia's first year real year on the Court,

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<v Speaker 2>he dissented alone. Chief Justice Rehnquist wrote the majority opinion

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<v Speaker 2>saying that Congress could prevent the firing of even prosecutors.

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<v Speaker 2>There was no scholarship, there was no histories, there were

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<v Speaker 2>no arguments in defense of the unitary executive, if you

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<v Speaker 2>want to call that, And it was such a lonely

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<v Speaker 2>position to take at that time. And so one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things I said, it really does show the force

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<v Speaker 2>of ideas and the force of personality really can make

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<v Speaker 2>a difference in politics. And scale is dessent to Morrison

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<v Speaker 2>versus Olsen eventually winning out right thirty years later, almost

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<v Speaker 2>to in.

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<v Speaker 3>The end in the factical world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to eventually just to end the reign of independent agencies.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's a remarkable story. But anyway, I was

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<v Speaker 2>what I was going to ask both to you is

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think of Justice Scalia's impact and influence

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<v Speaker 2>ten years later?

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<v Speaker 1>Steve, Well, you know it was interesting you've hbably remembered

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<v Speaker 1>us from ten years ago. John is when he died.

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<v Speaker 1>You had a lot of people on the left, such

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<v Speaker 1>as Linda Greenhouse. The other Greenhouse effect. I always left

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<v Speaker 1>us say Linda Greenhouse, who's awful. Let's just stipulate that

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<v Speaker 1>I don't look to be any daylight between the three

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<v Speaker 1>of us on that question. She said, you know, Skale

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<v Speaker 1>was really right about that Independent Council thing all those

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. And that's when I thought, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>jig is up for these guys, because the consequent logic

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<v Speaker 1>of that points to where we have gotten to now.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course why do they say that though it

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<v Speaker 1>was political not really constitutional principle. It's because ken Starr

742
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<v Speaker 1>revealed that the Independent Council could be used against Democrats. Right.

743
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, that thing was set up to prosecute

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans after the Nixon years, and so good for ken

745
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<v Speaker 1>Starr for wrecking it. We did. But two of the

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<v Speaker 1>things to say is you've left out John and I

747
00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:48.119
<v Speaker 1>try to be brief about these things. But you go

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<v Speaker 1>back to those years. You say Scale was all alone,

749
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<v Speaker 1>but you know the Circuit Court of Appeals opinion that

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<v Speaker 1>set the case up that sided with Ted Olson was

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<v Speaker 1>spectacular and written by your other you, clerk Ford, Lawrence Silberman. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So you go back to those days, there's Lawrence Silberman,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, maybe my wife's judged Danny Boggs and

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<v Speaker 1>either Jones a few years later, just a tiny handful.

755
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<v Speaker 1>Now there's a lot of Laurence Silberman's on the court

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<v Speaker 1>and on the spits to one degree or another right

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<v Speaker 1>or not identical. And then finally you'd say that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Scalia did defend the Chevron doctor for a while, as

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<v Speaker 1>most Reaganiites did, right. They thought that helped them to

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<v Speaker 1>rationalize and make more sensible a bureaucratic regulation. But by

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<v Speaker 1>degree is everything you heard is that by twenty sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>he was starting to change his mind about that. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think he'd be pretty happy and strongly in the

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<v Speaker 1>majority on things like the West Virginia case with the

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<v Speaker 1>major questions doctor and so forth. So yeah, his his

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<v Speaker 1>shadow lengthens every year. And I think there you know,

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<v Speaker 1>certain core philosophical differences he had with Thomas, such as

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<v Speaker 1>on natural law on its application. I think those would

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<v Speaker 1>be diminishing over time. Lucretia, all right, I just people

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<v Speaker 1>who aren't people who are going to be listening to this,

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<v Speaker 1>or you canna say John is getting a sour prune

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<v Speaker 1>look on his face for my invocation of natural law.

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<v Speaker 2>But don't worry, we're going to come back to that

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<v Speaker 2>after the It didn't go unnoticed. I don't think you're

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<v Speaker 2>a sneaky bastard as you think you are.

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<v Speaker 4>It does make more sense to me, John, Now why

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<v Speaker 4>you're such a positivist if you spent all that time

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<v Speaker 4>with Skalah, which is the only thing about him that

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<v Speaker 4>I find objectionable. But it's one of those situations where

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<v Speaker 4>the good is far out ways the bad, in this case,

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<v Speaker 4>far out ways the bad.

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<v Speaker 3>But he was in fact a positivist about the law and.

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<v Speaker 4>Did not believe that, for instance, we should turn to

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<v Speaker 4>the Declaration of independence, So were any of the theories

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<v Speaker 4>of the Declaration of Independence and understanding the constitution that

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<v Speaker 4>being said ten years after to the day as actually today,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to speak ill of him at all.

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<v Speaker 4>I remember as young, young undergraduate, especially when I took

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<v Speaker 4>I took three or four classes in constitutional law that

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<v Speaker 4>we happened to have as an undergraduate, and and just

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<v Speaker 4>loved reading scully A's opinions. You know, he brings in

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<v Speaker 4>or well, and he brings everybody else is just oh

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<v Speaker 4>jo on and on, and he's just delightful reading Scullya's

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<v Speaker 4>opinions and especially his descents. I do also remember you

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<v Speaker 4>talked about what the Liberals did when he died. I

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<v Speaker 4>remember that the right, was certain that you know that

797
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<v Speaker 4>there was some foul play involved in his death, and

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<v Speaker 4>that went on for a very long time. Because he

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<v Speaker 4>had been so influential and successful on the court, and

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<v Speaker 4>because of the timing of his unfortunate death, we did

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<v Speaker 4>not get Mark Garland, as our liberal friends hoped we would,

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<v Speaker 4>and we've had that discussion many times. We got instead

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<v Speaker 4>to Gorsich, Justice Gorsag thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>To the thanks to the maneuvering of your favorite, second

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite.

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<v Speaker 3>There's enough, you know, there you go.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think his brain actually has been addled

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<v Speaker 4>by Trump derangement syndrome because the Say Act is something

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<v Speaker 4>he's been fighting for those kinds of things his whole career,

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<v Speaker 4>and all of a sudden, just because Trump wants it,

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<v Speaker 4>he's not gonna he's not gonna support it. Never mind,

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe it's maybe I'm going to have age limits after all,

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<v Speaker 4>because these old people are just driving me crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me one point that I made at the AI

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<v Speaker 2>conference to follow up on Steve's point, which is I

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<v Speaker 2>did ask, you know, some points that I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>Scleia ever got to address, because I think he did

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<v Speaker 2>die a little early. Was he never did explain how

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<v Speaker 2>much of a positivist he was. Did he actually think

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<v Speaker 2>the Constitution could exist in a kind of free, free state,

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<v Speaker 2>ungrounded in any pre existing sense of right or wrong

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<v Speaker 2>or morality. Was it really just a document meant to

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<v Speaker 2>uh effectuate democracy? Which is something you know, things he

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<v Speaker 2>would say often, you know, Was he really like Holmes

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<v Speaker 2>who famously said, uh, if the American people voted to

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<v Speaker 2>send themselves to hell, Holmes, would you know, do his

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<v Speaker 2>duty and help them on their way? And so there

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<v Speaker 2>was this famous speech where uh, Scalia went to the

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<v Speaker 2>Vatican and spoke to an audience of Canon lawyers. And

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<v Speaker 2>I would have thought if there were ever any place

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<v Speaker 2>he would yield an inch to natural law natural rights,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be there. But he would not. He didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>He did not yield an inch at all. So I

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<v Speaker 2>think the answer to Steve's question is that he really

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<v Speaker 2>was a pure positivist and would not accept any role

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<v Speaker 2>for a natural law actual rights. And I asked, but

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<v Speaker 2>is that really a defect? I mean, does that in

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<v Speaker 2>a way? Is that not? Maybe why Scalia's opinions are

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<v Speaker 2>so in a way attractive to liberals too, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he apparently he's one of the most cited justices, but

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<v Speaker 2>by the three.

842
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<v Speaker 1>Yes, because right.

843
00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:24.440
<v Speaker 2>If you don't build a morality into your opinions that

844
00:49:24.480 --> 00:49:27.559
<v Speaker 2>doesn't come from the constitutions, that makes them maybe it

845
00:49:27.599 --> 00:49:28.920
<v Speaker 2>gives them more staying power.

846
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:32.239
<v Speaker 1>Well, I have an explanation. But Lucretia, you have a question.

847
00:49:32.280 --> 00:49:35.599
<v Speaker 4>You said, I just want to know why you would

848
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:41.079
<v Speaker 4>bother to support democracy with a constitution, Why would you

849
00:49:41.159 --> 00:49:42.119
<v Speaker 4>choose democracy?

850
00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:46.440
<v Speaker 1>Well, look, I haven't that's my explanation.

851
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:50.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean that's the problem is that ultimately, if

852
00:49:51.000 --> 00:49:55.320
<v Speaker 4>you cannot give a defense of the natural law basis

853
00:49:55.360 --> 00:50:00.480
<v Speaker 4>for people governing themselves in a democracy or republic, if

854
00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:03.559
<v Speaker 4>you cannot do that, then then it's very easy ultimately

855
00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:06.559
<v Speaker 4>to do what has happened, which is to you know,

856
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:10.920
<v Speaker 4>to deny that anybody but elites ought to rule. It's

857
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:14.519
<v Speaker 4>very easy to undermine the entire structure if you cannot

858
00:50:14.559 --> 00:50:15.920
<v Speaker 4>build it on the right foundation.

859
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:17.039
<v Speaker 3>Sorry, go ahead, see you.

860
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:19.119
<v Speaker 1>Listen to Well, let me go back to let me

861
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:21.360
<v Speaker 1>go back to that appearance of the Vatican. You mentioned John,

862
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.400
<v Speaker 1>because it's when John Paul two was still alive and

863
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:26.519
<v Speaker 1>in charge of things. He gave a talk to I

864
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:29.400
<v Speaker 1>think he introduced Scalia. Now, if you took John Paul

865
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:33.440
<v Speaker 1>two's text where he said very sensible things that could

866
00:50:33.480 --> 00:50:36.199
<v Speaker 1>have been written by Lucretia about democracy and the natural

867
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:38.599
<v Speaker 1>law basis for it, and Scale's text, and he took

868
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:41.239
<v Speaker 1>the names off them. You would have said, oh, this

869
00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:43.039
<v Speaker 1>person who turned out to be John Paul to he

870
00:50:43.039 --> 00:50:44.719
<v Speaker 1>should be on the court. I mean, he's the one.

871
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:49.079
<v Speaker 1>He's expressing the more of a deep American understanding, American

872
00:50:49.119 --> 00:50:53.440
<v Speaker 1>founding understanding. And Scalia was again pure positivism or not pure.

873
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:59.920
<v Speaker 1>But here's the point. If you then bring alongside renquists

874
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:04.480
<v Speaker 1>famous Lectury gave in nineteen seventy seven where he quotes

875
00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:07.559
<v Speaker 1>Holmes right like you do John from time to nothing

876
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:10.239
<v Speaker 1>or you know, okay, he quotes homes the problem. Think

877
00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:13.079
<v Speaker 1>about when Scalia goes to law school and Renquist goes

878
00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:16.000
<v Speaker 1>to law school at Stanford along with Sandraday O'Connor in

879
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:20.719
<v Speaker 1>the forties, and there's nobody talking about natural law, there's

880
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:25.320
<v Speaker 1>nobody talking about originalism of any kind, and you Holmes

881
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:28.760
<v Speaker 1>was the grand figure and then the most famous justice.

882
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:32.159
<v Speaker 1>I think, by the way, uh Scalia is displacing Holmes.

883
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:36.719
<v Speaker 1>I think what redeems Scalia and explains him is, in fact,

884
00:51:36.760 --> 00:51:39.280
<v Speaker 1>at the end of the day, his Catholic faith. He

885
00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:42.159
<v Speaker 1>would say privately, I believe in natural law. I don't

886
00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:46.239
<v Speaker 1>believe judges can use that as an interpretive tool. But

887
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:49.199
<v Speaker 1>I think he could not get away from his fundamental

888
00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:51.920
<v Speaker 1>spiritual values. And I think that explains why he was

889
00:51:51.960 --> 00:51:55.199
<v Speaker 1>so and plus he's smart, right, And John think that

890
00:51:55.320 --> 00:51:56.639
<v Speaker 1>explains it? What's that?

891
00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:01.000
<v Speaker 4>It explains John too, because John, he's all the right thing,

892
00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:05.800
<v Speaker 4>but has no basis in his explanation why he believes them.

893
00:52:06.119 --> 00:52:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Well, I wasn't gonna be just through my secure intellect

894
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:10.119
<v Speaker 1>and reasoning.

895
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:11.119
<v Speaker 2>What are you talking about?

896
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:14.760
<v Speaker 1>But the point is, John, is that you know, uh

897
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:17.199
<v Speaker 1>Thomas went to a law school win in the seventies,

898
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:19.239
<v Speaker 1>was a classmate, was around the same time that. I'm

899
00:52:19.239 --> 00:52:19.760
<v Speaker 1>not sure that the.

900
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Clinton He's just a few years behind the Clintons.

901
00:52:22.800 --> 00:52:25.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, okay. But the point is, now you have Gorsch,

902
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:28.159
<v Speaker 1>who you know, studied natural law with John Finnis at

903
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Oxford and so forth. We now have a generation of

904
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:34.719
<v Speaker 1>jurists coming up who have had a different legal education

905
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.800
<v Speaker 1>than Rehnquist, in Scalia, in Powell, name all the others.

906
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.840
<v Speaker 2>You can't write, yeah, you could if it's yeah, you

907
00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:44.960
<v Speaker 2>could say that Scalia Renquist. They are brought up in

908
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:49.880
<v Speaker 2>a time when the central problem is how do you

909
00:52:50.000 --> 00:52:53.079
<v Speaker 2>find a principal basis for the court overturning plus e

910
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:58.079
<v Speaker 2>in right Brown versus Board of Education? Whereas for the

911
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:01.559
<v Speaker 2>following generation that you just mentioned, younger justices, the central

912
00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:06.400
<v Speaker 2>problem is Roe versus Wade right, how do you allow

913
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:10.920
<v Speaker 2>court to interfing in the abortion question? Well, I think

914
00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:14.239
<v Speaker 2>we would have more time to talk about this in

915
00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:17.880
<v Speaker 2>future podcasts, but I think it will take one more

916
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:21.559
<v Speaker 2>ad break, yes, and then we'll come back for the

917
00:53:21.599 --> 00:53:29.280
<v Speaker 2>wrap up. Steven then to have some observations to make

918
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:31.360
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the podcast before we wrap up.

919
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:35.280
<v Speaker 4>So a good friend of ours Steves in Mine. I

920
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:38.559
<v Speaker 4>guess John doesn't know him. Mickey Craig. I went to

921
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:42.480
<v Speaker 4>graduate school with Mickey Craig and actually wrote my first

922
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:49.719
<v Speaker 4>public published article with Mickey Craig. It was a article

923
00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:53.079
<v Speaker 4>about Rose Bird, who was a Chief Justice of the

924
00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:58.360
<v Speaker 4>California Supreme Court and why before the what do they

925
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:02.280
<v Speaker 4>call them retention elect right? But she was not retained

926
00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:04.880
<v Speaker 4>along with two other associate justices, And I always liked

927
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:06.920
<v Speaker 4>to think it was because of the article didn't make

928
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:10.119
<v Speaker 4>a night. But Mickey was a long time professor at

929
00:54:10.159 --> 00:54:15.000
<v Speaker 4>Hillsdale and passed away, I guess a couple of days ago.

930
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:16.920
<v Speaker 4>So Mikey rest in peace.

931
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not much. Older Straussians never die, They.

932
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:23.559
<v Speaker 2>Just fade away.

933
00:54:24.320 --> 00:54:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Well he was Mickey was. Oh, he was beloved. I mean,

934
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:29.880
<v Speaker 1>and I had lunch with him in November when I

935
00:54:29.920 --> 00:54:32.679
<v Speaker 1>was at Hillsdale, but he'd want to take me lunch

936
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:34.760
<v Speaker 1>and I had, you know, a cheeseburger and a beer,

937
00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:36.519
<v Speaker 1>and he had nothing because he was heading to the

938
00:54:36.559 --> 00:54:40.719
<v Speaker 1>cardiologists that afternoon for more tests. And yeah, so you know,

939
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:46.199
<v Speaker 1>in retrospect, so beloved person. But then there's another passing

940
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:48.679
<v Speaker 1>this week of someone I never met and I never

941
00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:51.079
<v Speaker 1>even interacted with. But it's a guy named John Ekdall

942
00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:54.599
<v Speaker 1>who was Charlie C. W. Cook's best friend in Florida.

943
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:57.519
<v Speaker 1>And Charlie's taking it very hard, and I don't blame him.

944
00:54:57.760 --> 00:55:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Ekdahl had a very strong Twitter game, among other things,

945
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:04.280
<v Speaker 1>and one of his treats from more than a decade

946
00:55:04.280 --> 00:55:07.480
<v Speaker 1>ago caused a ruckus in the media. And it was

947
00:55:07.559 --> 00:55:10.440
<v Speaker 1>very simple. He said, you know, the Ford f one

948
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:14.159
<v Speaker 1>point fifty and GM's pickup truck equivalent the best selling

949
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:17.519
<v Speaker 1>car in America. Buy a lot. It's not even close question.

950
00:55:17.639 --> 00:55:21.000
<v Speaker 1>For the Washington Posts, New York Times, CBS News, how

951
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:23.119
<v Speaker 1>many of you know a single person who drives a

952
00:55:23.119 --> 00:55:26.840
<v Speaker 1>pickup truck. You would have thought in those newsrooms that

953
00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:29.079
<v Speaker 1>somebody had thrown a dead skunk in the middle of

954
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:32.119
<v Speaker 1>the There was an outrage to even bring up such

955
00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:35.159
<v Speaker 1>an impertinent question to the sainted people in the news media.

956
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:38.360
<v Speaker 1>So talk about scoring a direct hit that exposed how

957
00:55:38.400 --> 00:55:41.079
<v Speaker 1>out of touch the media is. And John was only

958
00:55:41.119 --> 00:55:44.840
<v Speaker 1>forty seven, which is way too young. And anyway, he's

959
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:47.440
<v Speaker 1>getting a lot of deserved attention on Twitter and elsewhere

960
00:55:47.480 --> 00:55:50.519
<v Speaker 1>this week. And Mickey. I may write something about Mickey.

961
00:55:50.519 --> 00:55:53.800
<v Speaker 1>He was my housemate for a while along with John Eastman, me,

962
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:56.840
<v Speaker 1>John Eastman, Mickey Craig in a house we rented from

963
00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:01.119
<v Speaker 1>Peter Drucker, the famous management consultant guy to hate.

964
00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:07.199
<v Speaker 2>God.

965
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:14.960
<v Speaker 3>We didn't talk about. I do, but but I have to.

966
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:17.840
<v Speaker 4>I have to bring up a subject because of it

967
00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:21.280
<v Speaker 4>that we didn't talk about, which was the which is

968
00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:28.360
<v Speaker 4>the ongoing Nancy Guthrie saga. And it's very sad. The

969
00:56:28.440 --> 00:56:30.559
<v Speaker 4>eighty four year old woman blah blah, blah blah blah.

970
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:35.480
<v Speaker 4>But oh my god, yeah, so I know exactly where

971
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:38.599
<v Speaker 4>she lives. It is, in fact, a very rural place,

972
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:42.199
<v Speaker 4>and we just got informed here where I am, I

973
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:46.039
<v Speaker 4>mean about seventy five miles from there. But it's across

974
00:56:46.039 --> 00:56:48.400
<v Speaker 4>Arizona that we can no longer have the lights on

975
00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:50.880
<v Speaker 4>our house that shine up, or we have to turn

976
00:56:50.920 --> 00:56:53.880
<v Speaker 4>them off after ten o'clock at night because there are

977
00:56:53.960 --> 00:56:59.760
<v Speaker 4>laws across Arizona against light pollution so that you can

978
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:04.280
<v Speaker 4>see the stars anyway, So that's part of the reason

979
00:57:04.320 --> 00:57:09.039
<v Speaker 4>why it was you know. Anyway, Here's here's my argument

980
00:57:09.079 --> 00:57:11.119
<v Speaker 4>to John when he said I should be more interested

981
00:57:11.119 --> 00:57:13.920
<v Speaker 4>in the story. I'm actually happy about the story because

982
00:57:14.000 --> 00:57:17.280
<v Speaker 4>my life is the political scientists such as that is

983
00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:19.800
<v Speaker 4>and is always trying to stay ahead of all the

984
00:57:19.840 --> 00:57:23.639
<v Speaker 4>major stories, and it leaves a whole area of news

985
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:27.000
<v Speaker 4>I don't even have to bother with. That's why I

986
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:30.039
<v Speaker 4>like about that story. But I'm sorry, she's eighty four

987
00:57:30.079 --> 00:57:32.079
<v Speaker 4>years old. Do you know how many children are missing?

988
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:33.360
<v Speaker 4>Do you know how many you know?

989
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:34.280
<v Speaker 5>Sorry?

990
00:57:34.320 --> 00:57:37.639
<v Speaker 4>Well, right, I don't know who Savannah Guthrie is from Adam.

991
00:57:37.679 --> 00:57:40.800
<v Speaker 4>I guess she's some twit on a morning news show.

992
00:57:40.960 --> 00:57:42.360
<v Speaker 3>But who cares?

993
00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:46.039
<v Speaker 2>Why is this the Look, this is my one set,

994
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:50.679
<v Speaker 2>that's one story estion is why do people care so

995
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:51.760
<v Speaker 2>much they do?

996
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:55.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, Look, I've been saying my one sentence summary is

997
00:57:55.400 --> 00:57:58.639
<v Speaker 1>this is the Lindbergh baby kidnapping of our age. And

998
00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:00.920
<v Speaker 1>why was the Lindberg baby kit napping a big deal?

999
00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:04.079
<v Speaker 1>Because Charles Lindberg was famous and so Lucretia you don't

1000
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:08.800
<v Speaker 1>watch the Today Show? Well, okay for four year old woman,

1001
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:11.760
<v Speaker 1>but look, it would not have made any news seven

1002
00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:14.719
<v Speaker 1>eighty years ago if it hadn't been Charles Lindberg's baby.

1003
00:58:14.840 --> 00:58:17.119
<v Speaker 1>In this case, this would not make news except Savannah

1004
00:58:17.159 --> 00:58:19.760
<v Speaker 1>Guthrie is watched by forty million people a day on

1005
00:58:19.800 --> 00:58:21.800
<v Speaker 1>the Today Show. Not you're not one of them, and

1006
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm not either, But that's why And that's the only

1007
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:27.119
<v Speaker 1>blot from the media that's made of story.

1008
00:58:27.360 --> 00:58:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't it also appeal to people's fears about their elderly

1009
00:58:31.239 --> 00:58:34.320
<v Speaker 2>parents and are they taking care of them well enough?

1010
00:58:34.360 --> 00:58:36.960
<v Speaker 2>And they're on their own And it's just just like

1011
00:58:37.079 --> 00:58:41.400
<v Speaker 2>there was right the idea that there were children being kidnapped,

1012
00:58:41.800 --> 00:58:44.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, in open daylight, and actually child kidnappings have

1013
00:58:44.920 --> 00:58:47.079
<v Speaker 2>been at an all time low when this happened, but

1014
00:58:47.119 --> 00:58:50.440
<v Speaker 2>it still caused a huge crazy when it started happening

1015
00:58:50.480 --> 00:58:53.679
<v Speaker 2>in the nineties. So it's an ansurb. I think it's

1016
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:57.320
<v Speaker 2>more not because the case itself is of individual merit,

1017
00:58:57.400 --> 00:59:01.199
<v Speaker 2>but it does right express something about what people are

1018
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:03.840
<v Speaker 2>worried about, because I don't I think the TV show

1019
00:59:03.880 --> 00:59:06.840
<v Speaker 2>is only showing it because the ratings are high for it.

1020
00:59:06.920 --> 00:59:13.840
<v Speaker 4>Sure Gris Faults, your friend from Outnumbered, Harris Faultner's actually

1021
00:59:14.079 --> 00:59:17.440
<v Speaker 4>grew up in that neighborhood and she is obsessed by

1022
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:20.960
<v Speaker 4>the story. I've turned it off every single day. I

1023
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:23.960
<v Speaker 4>just can't listen anymore. Okay, but I only did that

1024
00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:25.800
<v Speaker 4>because they have a Babylon b and I just want

1025
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:27.559
<v Speaker 4>to make sure everybody knew what we were talking about.

1026
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.159
<v Speaker 4>But before we get there, this one was sent to

1027
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:33.800
<v Speaker 4>me by a listener who goes by the name of Way.

1028
00:59:34.320 --> 00:59:36.719
<v Speaker 4>I would have found it anyway, but it's a good one.

1029
00:59:37.320 --> 00:59:42.320
<v Speaker 4>Alarming study shows average Somali high school senior in Minnesota

1030
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:51.840
<v Speaker 4>committing fraud at just a fifth grade level. So as

1031
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:54.360
<v Speaker 4>we're hearing all of these stories about the fact that,

1032
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:57.719
<v Speaker 4>as a matter of fact, university they're hiding their dei

1033
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:01.320
<v Speaker 4>et cetera, et cetera. They still have their damn land acknowledgements,

1034
01:00:01.599 --> 01:00:06.599
<v Speaker 4>et cetera. Wife refuses to return stolen land she took

1035
01:00:06.719 --> 01:00:11.800
<v Speaker 4>from husband's side of bed. Took you guys a second,

1036
01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:17.559
<v Speaker 4>and then we had the yet another trans person to

1037
01:00:17.800 --> 01:00:19.960
<v Speaker 4>shoot up a bunch of people. I'm sure has nothing

1038
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.559
<v Speaker 4>to do with those god awful drugs that they give them.

1039
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:28.320
<v Speaker 4>Canadian reporter person announces police persons have identified gun person.

1040
01:00:32.239 --> 01:00:34.280
<v Speaker 2>You already gave that jerk away at the beginning.

1041
01:00:34.880 --> 01:00:37.639
<v Speaker 4>I know that I was the Babylon B does it better?

1042
01:00:37.760 --> 01:00:40.960
<v Speaker 4>So credit where credits do? I haven't talked about the

1043
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:45.599
<v Speaker 4>Olympics either, don't care. Frauds suspicions arise as Somali team

1044
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:49.320
<v Speaker 4>wins seven hundred and thirty fourth gold medal at Winter

1045
01:00:49.400 --> 01:00:49.719
<v Speaker 4>on the.

1046
01:00:51.920 --> 01:00:56.199
<v Speaker 5>And then backed by Save Act, Democrats counter with Steel

1047
01:00:56.280 --> 01:01:00.679
<v Speaker 5>Act to ban voter ID and said, but I'll steal

1048
01:01:00.760 --> 01:01:04.880
<v Speaker 5>that grewsome kidnapping, just the career boost.

1049
01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:07.400
<v Speaker 3>Crime reporter has been waiting for.

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<v Speaker 2>Get that one.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you remember that great line from the Don Henley

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<v Speaker 4>song Dirty Laundry, The bubble headed bleach blond Layah.

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<v Speaker 3>Bubble headed Bach bond that comes out.

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<v Speaker 4>She'll tell you about the crash with a stleam in

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<v Speaker 4>her eye.

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<v Speaker 1>Like Jef, I hated the Eagles.

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<v Speaker 2>Although this is from the man who likes air supply

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<v Speaker 2>and others such that is block that does not.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean anyway, that's a great song. I'm not a Don

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<v Speaker 4>Henley fan, but that's a great song anyway. I just

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<v Speaker 4>Ice leaves Minneapolis to focus on American cities. And finally,

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<v Speaker 4>we didn't talk about this halftime either. We were going

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<v Speaker 4>to and be see suffers bizarre technical glitch as entire

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<v Speaker 4>halftime show broadcast in Spanish.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought we were gonna get all the way through

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<v Speaker 1>this episode without a bad Bunny reference, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>afraid we weren't going to get in a Sydney Sweeney

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<v Speaker 1>reference by just half some Okay, I.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait before wait, before you go on, I have to

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<v Speaker 4>tell you one thing. So I've been having trouble in

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<v Speaker 4>my teaching my class with doom. All these used to

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<v Speaker 4>work perfectly. They you know, they messed it up. But

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<v Speaker 4>here's the crazy part. All of the directions inside of

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<v Speaker 4>my learning management system where zoom.

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<v Speaker 3>Is are in Spanish, and when I get back.

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<v Speaker 2>To English, that could happen to a better person.

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<v Speaker 3>I got and they come back in Spanish. Right, it's

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<v Speaker 3>the technical glitch.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish I could tell you I hacked your system

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<v Speaker 2>and did that, because that would be beautiful. Always drink

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<v Speaker 2>your withiskiny, buy more books and Steve. What is the

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<v Speaker 2>latest message from our AI rulers?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I'm trying to change this up a little bit,

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<v Speaker 1>but I couldn't resist.

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<v Speaker 2>John.

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<v Speaker 1>I asked them for what what chat GBT describes as

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<v Speaker 1>the extremely niche genre of John U natural law jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I was really worried you're going to start talking

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<v Speaker 2>about aerial pollution.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no no, no, I even I am not

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<v Speaker 1>that mean to you. Okay, John Hughes's version of natural law.

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<v Speaker 1>We hold these truths to be self evident unless the

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<v Speaker 1>president thinks otherwise. Uh a quitnas. Natural law is rooted

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<v Speaker 1>in human reason, John U. Natural law is rooted in

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<v Speaker 1>executive discretion. Except that's actually kind of true in a

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<v Speaker 1>certain but okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see there's a natural law says unjust laws are

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<v Speaker 1>not true laws. John U says, let's not rush to

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<v Speaker 1>moral conclusions when memos are still being drafted.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that's pretty clever. A.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a bunch of these, and I'll skip over them.

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<v Speaker 1>The Founding Fathers reacted to on you, James Madison reading

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<v Speaker 1>expensive executive power theory. We wrote an entire constitution to

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<v Speaker 1>avoid this exact email. There's more of these. They're fun,

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<v Speaker 1>they're good one liners.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, thanks for that, Steve and everyone, thanks for

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<v Speaker 2>joining us. Thank you to the live live chat audience

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<v Speaker 2>and all your contributions. I wish I hope people can

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<v Speaker 2>get a chance to read them with a view recording

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<v Speaker 2>of the podcast, because Steve and Lucretia have been wildly

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<v Speaker 2>responding to the comments. I of course never read any comments,

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<v Speaker 2>so it would be doubly hard for me to actually

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<v Speaker 2>ever read live chat and participate. Yeah, but there's been

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of fun, I think, for both the hosts

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<v Speaker 2>and the audience. So thank you very much for joining

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<v Speaker 2>and we'll see you next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Ricochet, join the conversation.