Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the Paparazzi Podcast. I am Jedi, he
Speaker 1: is Mark, and we are back for another funfilled frolic
Speaker 1: into the world of paparazzi and newsman photography.
Speaker 2: There has been a lot of frolicking since the last podcast,
Speaker 2: so we're going to get through as much as we
Speaker 2: can in this hour, and then maybe we're probably going
Speaker 2: to have to do another one to cram the rest
Speaker 2: of what we want to talk about in the second one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's been a ton of shit's been going on,
Speaker 1: weddings and all sorts of shenanigums.
Speaker 2: But most importantly, to be honest, straight off the bat, Jedi.
Speaker 1: Straight off, I know where you're going.
Speaker 2: The Rookie is back in production.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: Shout out to our Rookie followers, our Rookie fans out
Speaker 2: there who have been waiting patiently for season eight to
Speaker 2: start production. It started today with a bang, a triple
Speaker 2: set production.
Speaker 1: See I didn't notice you going live on Instagram? Are
Speaker 1: you going to be back doing that for Season eight?
Speaker 1: And the Rookie giving the fans what they want?
Speaker 2: I mean, given the opportunity. See what happened today was
Speaker 2: I checked everything the main cast, which was Eric Winter
Speaker 2: and a few others that I will be posting in
Speaker 2: their street clothes. By the way, they got to set
Speaker 2: late and all I could do was do a little
Speaker 2: bit of drone of the production, and then my daughter
Speaker 2: needed me, so I had to leave. But they're going
Speaker 2: back tomorrow, so hopefully i'll have a little bit more tomorrow,
Speaker 2: maybe a live tomorrow. I can only do live when
Speaker 2: I can walk up and start, you know, doing a live.
Speaker 2: If you can't see anything, I'm not going to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you think they recognize you now on set? They
Speaker 1: must do, right, You've been there a ton of times.
Speaker 2: Well during the hiatus, I think they all kind of forget,
Speaker 2: you know. But when I show up, maybe I'll be
Speaker 2: able to do it. I was thinking Jedi of getting
Speaker 2: some of those meta glasses.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that would be really cool.
Speaker 2: Using those to go onto these sets instead of having
Speaker 2: to put the phone in my pocket stuff like that,
Speaker 2: just actually just walk around with the glasses on. I
Speaker 2: think that's a good you go.
Speaker 1: Can you go live from them?
Speaker 2: I don't know, can you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I have no idea.
Speaker 2: If you can't go live, then fuck that.
Speaker 1: You must be able to write, because it's it's the
Speaker 1: Facebook shit, right, It's Facebook, Instagram, Zuckerberg stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I think you just connected to your
Speaker 2: phone and it becomes like the camera somehow, and I
Speaker 2: think you can probably go live with that camera. I
Speaker 2: would hope. So if I can't, and if that doesn't work,
Speaker 2: then you know, some of these tech giants need to
Speaker 2: uh ship.
Speaker 1: Well that's pretty cool until you forget that you're live
Speaker 1: and you go take a pit.
Speaker 2: Well that'll make it a better live, right, I would
Speaker 2: definitely need well, those cameras are wide. I would definitely
Speaker 2: need a more telephoto lens. So rookies back everybody and
Speaker 2: stay tuned for more on the shooting of season Ocho, have.
Speaker 1: You watched any of the Rookie? You don't watch it? Right?
Speaker 1: Those it is oo Ocho Sinko e eighty Sorry.
Speaker 2: Have I watched any of the the Rookie? I have.
Speaker 2: I've kind of bounced around a little bit. I watched
Speaker 2: maybe three quarters of season one, and then I've just
Speaker 2: it's been just been popping up here and there, and
Speaker 2: when I see it, I'll watch it for about ten
Speaker 2: to fifteen minutes. I don't think as someone who's not
Speaker 2: you know, completely invested that. I don't think you need
Speaker 2: to really follow the whole thing. You can kind of
Speaker 2: bounce around and just enjoy it as they do. And
Speaker 2: I just like to watch stuff that I've shot, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: I see if it's something that I shot, I watched
Speaker 2: the whole episode, and if it's not a turn off,
Speaker 2: that's cool. Before we get into our stories, I wanted
Speaker 2: to bring up a subject that I was actually talking
Speaker 2: about with another photographer recently, and I kind of wanted
Speaker 2: to get your take on it, right because as everybody knows,
Speaker 2: or as the listeners know from us, that the business is,
Speaker 2: you know, in a weird place right now. It is
Speaker 2: hard to make money in this business when it used
Speaker 2: to be fairly easy. Outlets are not buying the pictures
Speaker 2: that they used to buy. You really have to kind
Speaker 2: of dig deep to figure out a story or work
Speaker 2: on a story, or get an old person as an
Speaker 2: unrecognizable or you have to get a day rate out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going through It's been going through this weird
Speaker 1: kind of phase for a while now. You know. Back
Speaker 1: in the old day, when we were agency photographers, the
Speaker 1: key was to get as many sets of as many
Speaker 1: people as you can during the day, because any set
Speaker 1: of anybody back then would sell. You know, you could
Speaker 1: position yourself on any street in Beverly Hills or other
Speaker 1: grow and shoot three, four or five six sets a
Speaker 1: day of anybody and make money on all of them.
Speaker 1: But now you know, the outlets are not just buying
Speaker 1: a random set of anybody. There has to be, like
Speaker 1: you say, a story relating to that person, or it
Speaker 1: has to be somebody that hasn't been seen for a
Speaker 1: long time, or hey, if so and so is eighty,
Speaker 1: now guess who it is. They're unrecognizable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're running out of those. So, I mean,
Speaker 2: I saw into Hamilton on a post today and she
Speaker 2: looked a little old, but she was not unrecognizable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a ton of them unrecognizable. They just look exactly
Speaker 1: the same as they are, but with a little more
Speaker 1: gray hair.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's what we were talking about, and you know,
Speaker 2: we were trying to kind of kind of reassess the
Speaker 2: business and what the difference is. And it came down
Speaker 2: to something that I've been talking about four years, Jedi,
Speaker 2: which is monetization. We are the only content creators on
Speaker 2: the Internet that don't get paid monetized. We don't get
Speaker 2: paid by the amount of traffic that our content creates,
Speaker 2: right And you know, I was been told I'm crazy,
Speaker 2: that there's no way that this would happen, you know,
Speaker 2: there's no way it could happen, or something like that,
Speaker 2: and we were just going over ways that it could happen,
Speaker 2: and we had a lot of ideas. Comes down to,
Speaker 2: basically withholding your exclusive pictures and trying to sell them
Speaker 2: in a new fashion, in a new format, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, selling them at the rate that they're at,
Speaker 2: but also putting a twenty four forty eight seventy two
Speaker 2: hour monetization on the life of the pictures because the
Speaker 2: pictures don't usually live any longer than that, and not
Speaker 2: authlorady in bargoes that are that are you know, put
Speaker 2: in a position that are that work for the outlets.
Speaker 2: But obviously they're getting paid by traffic. Obviously they're getting
Speaker 2: paid by monetization.
Speaker 1: And it's just so yeah, ads as well, aren't they
Speaker 1: That there's ads on you know, people dot Com, the
Speaker 1: Daily Mail, you know, New York Post, the Sun, any
Speaker 1: of these outlets that we're consuming the news, you know,
Speaker 1: via the internet. They're selling ad space on all of those.
Speaker 2: Sites exactly, and everything's driven by traffic. It's all driven
Speaker 2: by traffic, and the traffic that one picture creates is
Speaker 2: obviously different than another what another picture creates, but we
Speaker 2: don't get paid much differently for that. Honestly, when it
Speaker 2: comes down to the amount that you know is probably
Speaker 2: being made behind the pay walls and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: that it would probably be shown that we are paid
Speaker 2: pretty unfairly. And obviously it would take the unification of
Speaker 2: all the agencies to adopt this kind of philosophy on
Speaker 2: sales and stuff like that, which won't happen. So it's
Speaker 2: going to take somebody to create a new agency that
Speaker 2: they'll get exclusives from and stuff that you know they
Speaker 2: can't do without, and to create a new style of
Speaker 2: sales for those pictures. And then once it's done, it's done.
Speaker 2: And then once it's done, every photographer will give you pictures.
Speaker 2: So if anybody's willing to go out there and do that,
Speaker 2: join me. We can go do that kind of thing
Speaker 2: a second, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, it's just it's so hard as well, though,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Because as soon as our pictures go up
Speaker 1: on like just say the daily mail. For example, our
Speaker 1: pictures go up, they're then ripped off and put on
Speaker 1: you know, one hundred different Twitter pages. Or if there's
Speaker 1: a video that we share and it goes on the
Speaker 1: mail is then ripped off by Twitter. The video and it,
Speaker 1: you know, in some instances, could get hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of views and actually give you know, the Twitter user
Speaker 1: who's stolen it and posted it revenue, whereas we're not
Speaker 1: getting anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, and there's there's really nothing we can do
Speaker 2: about that. Obviously, if we have a you know, a
Speaker 2: lawyer team on the payroll, we can probably get some
Speaker 2: cease and desists done and maybe a few lawsuits like
Speaker 2: some of the agencies do. But you know, normally we
Speaker 2: can't really do much about that. So the only thing
Speaker 2: we can do is change the sales structure of these
Speaker 2: pictures to go along with the way money is made
Speaker 2: these days on the internet. You know, I mean, we're
Speaker 2: we're selling pictures like they were print. We never got
Speaker 2: any sales of how many magazines were sold because of
Speaker 2: our pictures. You can it track that kind of a thing,
Speaker 2: but now everything could be tracked. Everything has data behind it.
Speaker 2: They track it themselves. I mean, every picture has you know,
Speaker 2: account of shares on it and stuff. I mean, you
Speaker 2: could track every single detail that our picture does after
Speaker 2: its sales, and it just seems that it's such an
Speaker 2: easy thing to create. And it's not like we would
Speaker 2: be looking for hundreds of thousands of dollars on top
Speaker 2: of this whole thing. It's just not paid fairly for
Speaker 2: the life of the picture exactly.
Speaker 1: Now. Question we just talked about print, When was the
Speaker 1: last time you saw one of your pictures printed actually
Speaker 1: in a magazine.
Speaker 2: Like, saw it in the magazine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, or even if you knew of it like being
Speaker 1: in a magazine.
Speaker 2: Not on my owhnew of it being in a magazine.
Speaker 2: I mean I see it on my sales reports.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, so stop it still getting printed because I
Speaker 1: mean now I'm doing you know, day rates for well
Speaker 1: for the websites. Basically, I don't think I've had a
Speaker 1: picture in print in over a year, which which is
Speaker 1: nuts because you know, again going back to our agency days,
Speaker 1: when we'd shoot all these people day in day out,
Speaker 1: it was like every Wednesday or Thursday, we'd go to
Speaker 1: a news stand and scour through every magazine and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: I've got seven pictures in US Weekly. I've got I've
Speaker 1: got six in Touch, I've got two in People, and
Speaker 1: i've got one in Life and Style. But now the
Speaker 1: news stands even still exist, No, I haven't seen one.
Speaker 2: There's only a couple of them that are still around.
Speaker 2: I mean there's still the one in Beverly Hills, you know,
Speaker 2: in Beverly's that I saw the other day. It actually
Speaker 2: reminds me. I'll just touched on this real quick of
Speaker 2: when I used to go to those magazine stands. And
Speaker 2: I've talked about this on the podcast before, but if
Speaker 2: a'body knew listening, this is kind of a quick, funny story.
Speaker 2: But I was at the news stand one day and
Speaker 2: I was just sitting in my car, probably talking on
Speaker 2: the phone or something, and we would go there because
Speaker 2: celebrities would go up to those.
Speaker 1: News stands, absolutely, and we would wait.
Speaker 2: And I remember because I saw an article on him
Speaker 2: today posting something about, you know, AI concentration camps or something.
Speaker 2: Michael Rappaport, who's a huge political you know guy these days,
Speaker 2: kind of a nutcase. I mean, you know, I like
Speaker 2: the guy, like his acting stuff like that, but he's
Speaker 2: a political kind of nutbag. He I got pictures of
Speaker 2: him looking at a booty magazine one time, and it
Speaker 2: went everywhere and it was hilarious. You know, aside from
Speaker 2: the sales direct sales that agencies can do. You know,
Speaker 2: we were also talking about day rates and how you know,
Speaker 2: I was bringing up the fact that we're you know,
Speaker 2: we're independent contractors, and we were telling stories to each
Speaker 2: other about our recent day rates and how quick and
Speaker 2: easy some day rates are and how some day rates
Speaker 2: are super hard. Specifically, we were talking about Toby and
Speaker 2: Toby getting shot in the head and how we just mentioned, oh,
Speaker 2: he should have got hazard pay for that job, you know,
Speaker 2: like a little extra, a little bonus on the side,
Speaker 2: where they said, oh you know what, hey, bro, you
Speaker 2: just got shot in the head for us. Here you go,
Speaker 2: here's a little bit of bonus or something like that,
Speaker 2: and it kind of, you know, the conversation kind of
Speaker 2: evolved into, well, geez, maybe we should be like contractors
Speaker 2: contracting the rates instead of just taking a day rate
Speaker 2: for you know, obviously, if I'm going to go get
Speaker 2: someone unrecognizable, some oldie, that'll take me maybe a day
Speaker 2: maybe or two. But it's just sitting out in front
Speaker 2: of their house and following at the grocery store and
Speaker 2: getting them coming out super easy. Toby, on the other hand,
Speaker 2: when they say, hey, can you go do the job
Speaker 2: of the riots for us and go get into the
Speaker 2: riots for us, maybe you know the few hundred that
Speaker 2: you're supposed to get could be raked up a little
Speaker 2: bit more, you.
Speaker 1: Know, bumped up a little bit. Yeah, why not? I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I've been in the business for twenty years now and
Speaker 1: the day rate has not changed from the first day
Speaker 1: rate I ever got. It's been the same amount of
Speaker 1: money for twenty years, which is absolutely insane, isn't it. Really. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everything has gone up apart from the day rate. But
Speaker 1: I love the idea of you know, so I want
Speaker 1: to pool put in my backyard. I'm going to go
Speaker 1: to a bunch of different contractors, get all the different rates,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to pick the style of the pool
Speaker 1: artists that I like and the best rate. Whereas, you know,
Speaker 1: we could all have our little you know, a website
Speaker 1: with all the different photographers, their styles, their rates, their
Speaker 1: success rate, pictures in the past, and you know, the
Speaker 1: magazine or website calls us up and we give quotes
Speaker 1: on jobs. I think that idea is great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously there'll be guys that can undercut you.
Speaker 2: Obviously there's guys that can say, oh, well, i'll do
Speaker 2: the rate for cheaper, or you know, you could find
Speaker 2: people that do the rate for cheaper, but those kind
Speaker 2: of those kind of rates you're going to pay. The
Speaker 2: guys that are I'll be just gonna sit out and
Speaker 2: you know, maybe not even go and do the job
Speaker 2: to get a second day rate, or you know, they'll
Speaker 2: they'll just lie about what they're doing. You know, it'll
Speaker 2: be all about your reputation and about be about your
Speaker 2: track record. It'll be about you know, how you know,
Speaker 2: how deep you get into these stories and stuff like
Speaker 2: that based on reputation. Just like a regular contract or
Speaker 2: a construction contractor would you know you're gonna go hire
Speaker 2: the best, You're not if you want to hire the
Speaker 2: cheapest finne you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: Some cheap ass shit yeah, or nothing.
Speaker 2: Or nothing, you know, or they're gonna skip out on
Speaker 2: it or something like that. Exactly. So it's not about
Speaker 2: outrageous amounts of money. It's not like I'm going to
Speaker 2: say instead of you know, four or five hundred dollars
Speaker 2: for a day rate. I'm going to charge you three
Speaker 2: thousand for the day rate. And I'm not talking about
Speaker 2: something like that. I'm just talking about getting paid fairly
Speaker 2: for what we're doing. Because times have changed. We're barely
Speaker 2: hanging on out there, and everybody else, everybody else's you know,
Speaker 2: pay has changed, everybody else's sales and the way they
Speaker 2: make money online and stuff has changed. We're still the
Speaker 2: same as we were, yeah, in the nineties, two thousand's,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean I've had conversations with people in the
Speaker 1: last couple of months that, like, shit, we might actually
Speaker 1: have to get jobs soon. I love this job so much.
Speaker 1: I'm good at it. I don't want to be I
Speaker 1: don't want to do anything else, Like I want to
Speaker 1: be able to still earn enough to make a living
Speaker 1: doing this. But at the moment, I'm going to be
Speaker 1: doing this to like die. I'm not going to be
Speaker 1: able to retire anytime soon. Are you kidding me? I'm
Speaker 1: not going to be able to buy a house anytime soon.
Speaker 2: If you are changing the format or switching the way
Speaker 2: we get paid. Yeah, it's just evolution. It's just the
Speaker 2: evolution of the business, and it can make it so
Speaker 2: that you can continue to do the job, continue to
Speaker 2: do the job kind of admirably, and you'll get paid.
Speaker 2: You know, you'll get paid fairly. It's all about being
Speaker 2: paid fairly. You know. The photographers have been left behind.
Speaker 2: They're treated like slaves, they're treated like they're just photographers.
Speaker 2: You know. Obviously we have good relationships with a lot
Speaker 2: of the people that hire us and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: But in the end, it's about paying bills. You know,
Speaker 2: everything's going up. I mean me living in California, need
Speaker 2: I say that, right? Yeah, And you know, one job
Speaker 2: is not the same as the other job, and the
Speaker 2: pay needs to kind of reflect that, you know.
Speaker 1: Well, and also like I don't know if the editors
Speaker 1: even think about this, Like we're paying taxes on our
Speaker 1: day rates. We're not collecting the full day rate. We're
Speaker 1: paying taxes on that day. Right, We're also paying healthcare
Speaker 1: on the day. Right, we have no benefits at all.
Speaker 1: There's no four oh one ks or you know, if
Speaker 1: we were in four o one k again, it'll come
Speaker 1: out of the day rate a day rate. Although you know,
Speaker 1: if it's however much we're getting, we ain't getting that
Speaker 1: amount of money at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: Exactly well and Jedi. So the conversation continued, you know,
Speaker 2: and obviously when you get two minds, two genius minds
Speaker 2: in this business that have been this business for a
Speaker 2: long time, you start spitballing even further. And imagine just imagine, okay,
Speaker 2: a world where not only can we sell pictures monetized
Speaker 2: twenty four forty eight seventy two hours, but imagine getting
Speaker 2: a day rate, you know, at the price that it's fair,
Speaker 2: but then also on top of that, the pictures that
Speaker 2: you get, the video that you get, you get also
Speaker 2: paid monetized on top of that twenty four forty eight
Speaker 2: seventy two hours. And it's a combination of the day
Speaker 2: rate and the life of the picture online, you know
Speaker 2: what I.
Speaker 1: Mean, sign sign me up exactly.
Speaker 2: It's very fair, and it gives incentive to the photographers
Speaker 2: to go that extra mile and to do that extra
Speaker 2: you know, do a little extra that they need to
Speaker 2: get that, to just go out of their way, go out,
Speaker 2: go out on a limb to get that, you know,
Speaker 2: to get the shot video.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, for any editors listening to this, I
Speaker 1: hope I'm not coming across as ungrateful because I am
Speaker 1: very grave for any work I do get, but any
Speaker 1: extra money that I could get would be fucking great
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 2: Well then I mean, I mean, can we stand by
Speaker 2: our work. We're not lazy, you know, stupid photographers that
Speaker 2: don't know what we're doing, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So I said, you get what you get with us.
Speaker 2: I feel totally confident talking about this because it's fair.
Speaker 2: It is just it's a fair station, and it'll probably
Speaker 2: never happen, to be honest, But you know, I'm just
Speaker 2: putting it out there because we do have a podcast,
Speaker 2: we do have a voice, and I know other photographers
Speaker 2: into this, and I know some agency people listen to this,
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe somewhere someday someone might stand up for.
Speaker 1: Us exactly, and and and just to put it out
Speaker 1: there for you know, the kind of value that people
Speaker 1: get from from a day. For me, I was up
Speaker 1: at four four o'clock this morning for a six am flight.
Speaker 1: I took two flights, and I watched my target today,
Speaker 1: you know, after being up at four o'clock earlier than
Speaker 1: four o'clock whatever I said. And I didn't finish work
Speaker 1: till eight o'clock this evening. So that's that's on the
Speaker 1: clock for sixteen hours. You know, that's not that's not
Speaker 1: your nine to five.
Speaker 2: Well, and if you get down, if you break it
Speaker 2: down the hours and the stress of going through you know,
Speaker 2: the airports, and the stress of getting here, getting there,
Speaker 2: and you know, everything put on top of it. When
Speaker 2: you break down the actual numbers and the data, it
Speaker 2: comes out to be not exactly a fair rate. You
Speaker 2: know what if you get the pictures, you know, if
Speaker 2: you do get the pictures, and everybody, because I mean
Speaker 2: when you get pictures and you nail the ship out
Speaker 2: of the pictures, your fucking hero, you know. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: so in those hero moments, it would be nice to
Speaker 2: not just sit back and get what I would have
Speaker 2: made if I didn't even make it, if I didn't
Speaker 2: even get the pictures. I mean, just the extra bonus
Speaker 2: would be nice. When you know, we'll come in on
Speaker 2: those websites, you know what I mean. Yeah, And we're
Speaker 2: not ungrateful. We are just the people. See, if we
Speaker 2: do offend any of the outlets on this episode, we
Speaker 2: do apologize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't ever mean to be well, sometimes sometimes
Speaker 1: we do want to offend you, but not this time.
Speaker 2: But switching gears. Stories you've been out.
Speaker 1: Stories I have, mate, I've got I got a good one.
Speaker 1: It was. It was a funny one. So I was.
Speaker 1: I was covering a wedding the same weekend as bezos wedding,
Speaker 1: one that obviously was nowhere near as big as exciting,
Speaker 1: but it was a good story anyway. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you've seen the last couple of days the the
Speaker 1: police dash cam video has come out from the Mary
Speaker 1: lou Retton arrest. Do you know who she is?
Speaker 2: I didn't see the video, but I saw the films, so.
Speaker 1: It was hilarious. So Mary Lourettin was a USA gymnast.
Speaker 1: I think she was maybe a gold medalist or a
Speaker 1: medalist in the eighty four Olympics, I believe Los Angeles Olympics.
Speaker 1: She's from West Virginia and I was in West Virginia
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago trying to trying to track
Speaker 1: her down and find her with a reporter, and we
Speaker 1: had no joy trying to find her. But we did, however,
Speaker 1: find out that her daughter was getting married in Dallas
Speaker 1: a couple of weekends ago. And the reporter I was
Speaker 1: working with originally on it had been given the run
Speaker 1: around by Mary Lou a couple of times basically, and
Speaker 1: I wanted to get these pictures so fucking bad, as
Speaker 1: like a revenge for not being able to get her
Speaker 1: and you know, looking for her all over the fucking place.
Speaker 1: So we found the location of the wedding. It was
Speaker 1: the Botanical Gardens in Dallas. We managed to figure that
Speaker 1: out via Mary Lou's daughters instagrams. A couple of them
Speaker 1: were tagging stuff on there. One of them tag a
Speaker 1: picture of the actual location. But one week to go,
Speaker 1: we're like, okay, this is fucking brilliant. We know exactly
Speaker 1: where it is. So the day of the wedding comes, well,
Speaker 1: actually the day before the wedding, I managed to get
Speaker 1: pictures of them going to like a rehearsal at the
Speaker 1: at the venue, just you know, just just to follow
Speaker 1: and then some pictures. But it was the first pictures
Speaker 1: since Mary Lou's arrest, and like since a year ago
Speaker 1: when she ran a go fund me basically because she
Speaker 1: had a ton of medical bills from was it leukemia
Speaker 1: or or something like that, something to do with the
Speaker 1: lungs and she was on like a breathing apparatus. So
Speaker 1: I got pictures of her no breathing apparatus looking one
Speaker 1: hundred percent fine, so we think, like massive scam. So
Speaker 1: the weddings. The next day, I call up the venue
Speaker 1: and say, hey, I'm with the so and so party
Speaker 1: for the wedding. What time can I start arriving? What
Speaker 1: time can I arrive? I'm a guest, and they give
Speaker 1: me the time I can arrive. They say, you know,
Speaker 1: the wedding's at five thirty. The the the Botanical Gardens
Speaker 1: closed to the public at five, but you can start
Speaker 1: arriving at three forty five. So I'm like, great. I
Speaker 1: go in a little earlier than that, check it out.
Speaker 1: Line up the venue that they posted on Instagram with
Speaker 1: the actual venue, which looks different now than you know,
Speaker 1: got chairs and fucking an arch and all that shit
Speaker 1: all set up. So I'm looking around trying to figure
Speaker 1: out is there any angle I can hide? Can I
Speaker 1: hide in a bush out here? You know? Partner? The
Speaker 1: park closes at five? Can I hide anywhere? And then
Speaker 1: there's nowhere that I can hide at all? So I
Speaker 1: actually go outside at the venue to try and find
Speaker 1: an angle inside because it's quite close to the main road.
Speaker 1: So I go outside I stand up on a bus stop,
Speaker 1: have a look, can't quite see over. There's two hedges.
Speaker 1: I'd kind of make a hole in the hedge stick
Speaker 1: my camera through, and then there's other bushes on the
Speaker 1: other side, so there's no view there. There's a tree, Like,
Speaker 1: fuck me do I go full Julane Maxwell and climb
Speaker 1: a tree to try and shoot this wedding. And I'm
Speaker 1: jumping up, jumping up, and I just can't reach. I
Speaker 1: just cannot. If I was a foot taller, i'd be
Speaker 1: able to nail it. And then times ticking, times ticking,
Speaker 1: and it's five point fifteen. The wedding's about to start
Speaker 1: in fifteen minutes. On my I'm going to go to
Speaker 1: fucking home depot and get a ladder. So I drove
Speaker 1: to home depot, which was seven minutes away. I picked
Speaker 1: up a step ladder, a five step step ladder, rushed
Speaker 1: back to the venue parts it illegally dumps. Stood it
Speaker 1: up against the tree, and there's two minutes to the wedding.
Speaker 1: Stood it up against the tree, got to the top step,
Speaker 1: poked my head through the tree. There's a v in
Speaker 1: the tree which I can just stand in perfectly with
Speaker 1: my camera and not be seen. Albeit, I am on
Speaker 1: a main road and there's a very busy main road
Speaker 1: in Dallas, and there's tons of cars going past, and
Speaker 1: I'm just stood on this ladder. The music starts playing.
Speaker 1: Mary Lou walks down the aisle, you know, with her
Speaker 1: ex husband I think it was, and she's a short,
Speaker 1: little gymnast, clean pictures of her. I get the bride
Speaker 1: walking down the aisle. I get Mary Lou, I get
Speaker 1: the bridesmaids, I get the groom, I get the whole
Speaker 1: fucking thing. Well, I'm standing on this ladder railing it off,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm going to get seen at some point,
Speaker 1: and I don't want to be too much of a dick.
Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin the wedding. I jump off
Speaker 1: the ladder, put the put the ladder back in the cart,
Speaker 1: and go and return it to homekeeper. So I go
Speaker 1: and get my money back and just just naeld the
Speaker 1: the Jesus out of the pictures. And it was a
Speaker 1: revenge set. I'm not going to say I wouldn't have
Speaker 1: worked this hard otherwise, but I did put the extra
Speaker 1: effort in just to kind of avenge the reporter and
Speaker 1: get this this great story in the back.
Speaker 2: Well, sometimes you need that extra motivation and then you
Speaker 2: end up nailing it. I find it interesting though, that
Speaker 2: you had the angle of them coming down the aisle
Speaker 2: because you know, obviously a lot of times during weddings
Speaker 2: and stuff, you have the opposite angle of them walking
Speaker 2: away from you. But then you might like them up,
Speaker 2: you know, on the stage or you know, and you'll
Speaker 2: have like a profile or something like that. So it's
Speaker 2: good that you've got that angle, you know.
Speaker 1: Just just straight down the bow. And it's funny. I
Speaker 1: was talking to another photographer on my way back from
Speaker 1: home depot after I dropped the ladder back off and
Speaker 1: just just telling him what I've done, like reveling in
Speaker 1: my glory, and he's like, oh, yeah, I've done that
Speaker 1: once before as well. It's hilarious.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I literally had the ladder for like two hours and
Speaker 1: just took it back. I'm like, may I had it
Speaker 1: for thirty seven minutes and took it back. They must
Speaker 1: have wondered, like, what the fuck I was doing?
Speaker 2: Nah, it happens all the time.
Speaker 1: It's all good, yeah, but it was. It was. It
Speaker 1: was a really fun one to work, not super hope
Speaker 1: high profile. But you know, whenever you end up nailing something,
Speaker 1: and it actually got a really good showing online as well.
Speaker 1: It was you know, it was a real feel good
Speaker 1: story for me. Anyway.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've actually shot a couple of botanical gardens myself,
Speaker 2: and as you were telling the story, I was kind
Speaker 2: of relating to it. So they closed it off to
Speaker 2: the public for the public to come in. Now, if
Speaker 2: there was public already in the botanical gardens, would they
Speaker 2: be able to be in the potential? They kicked everybody out.
Speaker 1: They kicked everybody out. Okay, yeah, everybody out.
Speaker 2: Because the couple of times I've done that, they've closed
Speaker 2: off the potanical gardens, but the people that were already
Speaker 2: in could kind of remain and you know, well at
Speaker 2: least like I did, you know when they would close.
Speaker 1: Can you remember who you shot in the botanical gardens before?
Speaker 2: Well, it's always been a production.
Speaker 1: Okay, oh, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was Katherine McPhee once that was in
Speaker 2: that Scorpion show and then also Mandy Moore in uh
Speaker 2: This is Us got her and it was Yeah, it
Speaker 2: was one of those where they kind of closed it off,
Speaker 2: but then people are still kind of in there, and
Speaker 2: I would because it's the potanical gardens as bushes everywhere.
Speaker 1: You know, exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just went and kind of lined up where
Speaker 2: I knew they were going to shoot, and I just
Speaker 2: kind of just hid in a bush, you know. And
Speaker 2: then when the scene happened, it's like okay, I and
Speaker 2: then I nailed it. And then I just got up
Speaker 2: and left in front of everybody, just popped out of
Speaker 2: the bush, Like, where the fuck did that guy come from?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Well, I remember years ago in La as well, Katie
Speaker 1: Perry filmed I think it was.
Speaker 3: Raw at the the ab how'd you say, Abati Arboreta
Speaker 3: something like that, in the one named near Santa Santa Anita.
Speaker 1: Okay, she shot that video there and I was like
Speaker 1: tasked with trying to get pictures in that place, but
Speaker 1: I could. I never actually found it, found the stet.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, it looks like we're nearing break time here.
Speaker 2: When we took a quick break and we'll be back
Speaker 2: with you got some more stories.
Speaker 1: I've got one more story.
Speaker 2: Sweet, all right, we'll be right back.
Speaker 1: Welcome back. I hope everybody had a refreshment for that break.
Speaker 2: I cut my toenails I would think most people are
Speaker 2: listening in their car, so that's.
Speaker 1: Where that's where I listened to my podcasts.
Speaker 2: Don't drink and drive. That's the message from the PBC.
Speaker 1: What else have I been doing. I got one more
Speaker 1: little story. I was in one of my favorite places
Speaker 1: in the country. I guess you can have a guess.
Speaker 2: Martha's Vinnam. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: Nantucket, Nantucket. Yeah, I ended up back on Nantucket. It
Speaker 1: was supposed to be for the fourth of July weekend,
Speaker 1: but I got two sets in the two days prior
Speaker 1: to fourth of July, so they sent me home early,
Speaker 1: which I was kind of upset about because the whole
Speaker 1: point of being there was for the Fourth of July parade,
Speaker 1: which was where I got Bill Belichick and his much
Speaker 1: younger squeeze Jordan Hudson last year. Probably the best set
Speaker 1: that's been got of them was the one I got
Speaker 1: last year on the fourth of July. Yeah, but anyway,
Speaker 1: on the second of July, it wasn't a fantastic scept
Speaker 1: to be honest. They just they went into town and
Speaker 1: picked up another car. But it was, you know, pictures
Speaker 1: of a pair of them together. And then the next
Speaker 1: day I actually got them going to the airport and
Speaker 1: flying out of Nantucket, but they were due to fly
Speaker 1: back actually the first time, the second I was there
Speaker 1: and got the pictures. Yeah, I got them flying out
Speaker 1: getting on a private jet. Again like great pictures. It
Speaker 1: was like they were walking down a catwalk towards me,
Speaker 1: basically cleaning down the barrel. But yeah, they got on
Speaker 1: a private jet and actually flew to Saratoga, New York,
Speaker 1: where I managed I told the desk where they were
Speaker 1: heading after I got the tail number, and they managed
Speaker 1: to get a photographer to actually get to the airport
Speaker 1: in Saratoga and get them getting off a plane there
Speaker 1: as well, nice, which was really cool. So we kind
Speaker 1: of a kind of a double set. But then then
Speaker 1: after that I got I got asked to leave because
Speaker 1: you know, they were no longer there, which I was
Speaker 1: upset about because I actually figured out that they were
Speaker 1: coming back the next day, and I found the plane
Speaker 1: they were coming back on the next day, and I
Speaker 1: was already boarded my plane literally five minutes before they landed.
Speaker 1: So I was absolutely gutted about that because I would
Speaker 1: have loved to have got one more set of them
Speaker 1: and done the fourth of July Shenanigans. But whatever. Hopefully
Speaker 1: I'll end up back on the island another time, another
Speaker 1: time this year, sometimes soon. Hopefully I was there. I
Speaker 1: think I think I did seven trips there last year,
Speaker 1: so hopefully there'll be a few more to come this year.
Speaker 1: We'll see. It's still very early.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're becoming kind of a regular on Nantucket. I mean,
Speaker 2: people probably know you a little bit. And there's really
Speaker 2: I mean, there's not many better places to be for
Speaker 2: Fourth of July than Nantucket.
Speaker 1: I gotta say, mate, it's stunning. Actually a funny story
Speaker 1: trying to get to Nantucket. So I go. It was
Speaker 1: two flights to me from Buffalo, one two. Actually I
Speaker 1: didn't even come from Buffalo. I went straight from Texas,
Speaker 1: where I'd finished the Mary Lou story. So I flew
Speaker 1: Dallas to Boston, and it was going to be Boston
Speaker 1: to Nantucket. But as I was up in the air
Speaker 1: in Boston, it was on a it was you know
Speaker 1: the little cessna's they hold like eight people. We're on
Speaker 1: one of those from Boston to Nantucket. And the fog
Speaker 1: set in about it's about a forty five minute flight
Speaker 1: and the fog set in about forty minutes into the flight,
Speaker 1: so we circled it must have been like a dozen
Speaker 1: times and then actually couldn't land on the island, so
Speaker 1: we had to It was either go back to Boston
Speaker 1: and start again, or go to an airport like a
Speaker 1: fifteen minute flight away from from Nantucket called Hyenas, which
Speaker 1: from there you can actually take an uber down to
Speaker 1: the ferry port and then get an hour long ferry.
Speaker 1: So that's why I ended up doing. I ended up,
Speaker 1: you know, making friends with everybody on the flight. We
Speaker 1: shared two ubers down to the down to the harbor,
Speaker 1: and then we spent the next hour on the boat
Speaker 1: kind of drinking beers. And you know, they were all
Speaker 1: locals apart from one of a girl there, a young
Speaker 1: college student who was my d one volleyball player at
Speaker 1: some fancy school, and then another kid who played hockey
Speaker 1: another fancy school, and then some kind of some women
Speaker 1: a little older than me who had houses on them Tucket.
Speaker 1: So I got talking to them about you know, who
Speaker 1: I am, what I do, and they were absolutely fascinated
Speaker 1: by me, just like kind of sneaking onto the island
Speaker 1: and infiltrating you know, Belichick and Jordan. They loved it,
Speaker 1: So it was really fun to actually talk to people
Speaker 1: who appreciated it and didn't just think I was a scumbag.
Speaker 2: Did you tell them to listen to the podcast?
Speaker 1: You know what? I actually didn't. I really should have that.
Speaker 1: I completely forgot. I was just so caught up in
Speaker 1: my storytelling where we tell stories.
Speaker 2: If you're fascinated about that love Lovely, then you would
Speaker 2: love the podcast. Mate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a grimsy on my part. Wow.
Speaker 2: Well, and I'm gonna speak for the listeners Jedi that
Speaker 2: there's numerous times that you tell these stories about what
Speaker 2: you're doing, and there are so many opportunities to give
Speaker 2: little hints and do little teeny pictures, little teeny videos.
Speaker 2: You don't have to reveal anything, just little mysteries, little
Speaker 2: little you know, teasers and stuff that are so there's
Speaker 2: so many opportunities you have to tease.
Speaker 1: I'm terrible and uh.
Speaker 2: You know, with control of the Instagram, you know, as
Speaker 2: I do. You know, everybody's my rookie lives. I'm kidding,
Speaker 2: they're not.
Speaker 1: I need to up my social game.
Speaker 2: You need to up your social game, you know. And
Speaker 2: like I said, I'm speaking for the listeners. So if
Speaker 2: the listeners want to tell Jedi go on to our
Speaker 2: DM tell him what you think, okay, because please do.
Speaker 2: It would have been cool to see like a beer
Speaker 2: at the at the bar, and then it would have
Speaker 2: been cool to see the fog below you. Where am
Speaker 2: I going now? Type of thing, you know would.
Speaker 1: Be it would be great next time. So I will
Speaker 1: up my game.
Speaker 2: Is it my turn?
Speaker 1: It is your son? Tell some stories.
Speaker 2: Well, I've been kind of busy. Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: as everybody knows, is my old hero. He was my quarterback.
Speaker 2: I'm a Packer fan for those who didn't know. And
Speaker 2: any chance I get to work on Aaron Rodgers, I
Speaker 2: will do. I've probably talked about it a little bit
Speaker 2: on the podcast, but there was another job. You know.
Speaker 2: Obviously we're tasked to getting the wife. Everybody wants to
Speaker 2: know about the wife, okay, So going up to work
Speaker 2: on Aaron Rodgers is is kind of a chore. I
Speaker 2: think we've mentioned that on the podcast that going up
Speaker 2: there's kind of a pain in the ass. He lives
Speaker 2: in North North North Malibu. I went up there one
Speaker 2: day just kind of random. Every once in a while,
Speaker 2: I just, you know, feel ambitious to get up there,
Speaker 2: and he came out did the same thing that he
Speaker 2: always does, is go to the gym. You know, we're waiting.
Speaker 2: We're waiting to see this wife of his. I'll drone
Speaker 2: a little bit. I'll kind of look to see down
Speaker 2: on the beach. There's actually a a lounge chair set
Speaker 2: up in a bush that looks over his beach that somebody,
Speaker 2: another pap put in there to just sit and wait
Speaker 2: for him with. And if you look at the lounge
Speaker 2: chair around it a bunch of garbage, a bunch of
Speaker 2: cigarette butts. It's hilarious.
Speaker 1: To be honest, it's pretty funny. I mean, the guy
Speaker 1: should pick up his ship, but that's pretty funny that
Speaker 1: he set up a whole little base camp in a bush.
Speaker 2: Fucking savages, you know what I mean. I mean, what
Speaker 2: are you gonna do. There's a there's a picture of
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, you know, flicking I posted it a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago, or a couple of days ago, of
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers flicking off the photographers that are up there.
Speaker 2: But this day I was working with another photographer that
Speaker 2: goes back to the old school days. It's the same
Speaker 2: photographer that I was having the conversation earlier about the
Speaker 2: business fall into the gym and I had an opportunity
Speaker 2: to set up and to get on video and do
Speaker 2: a TMZ style question. You know, when he came out
Speaker 2: of the gym. I'm a little intimidated when it comes
Speaker 2: to this because, if anybody knows my encounter with Roseanne
Speaker 2: Barr a couple of years ago, I'm very hesitant to
Speaker 2: go up and talk to anybody because for some reason,
Speaker 2: I come off a little aggressive. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I'm nice, but you know, I guess they don't,
Speaker 2: and I'm afraid of the conversation just going totally shitty.
Speaker 2: And Aaron Rodgers is one of those here where he
Speaker 2: used to be my hero, and I just don't want
Speaker 2: to piss him off. So you know, I sat there
Speaker 2: for an hour, hour and a half, two hours, almost
Speaker 2: three hours, and then decided right at the end that
Speaker 2: I was going to go talk to him. And right
Speaker 2: as I decided and I was going to reposition, he
Speaker 2: comes walking out and I was just too far away
Speaker 2: to do. But we got some pictures and he didn't
Speaker 2: have a ring on his finger. If anybody knows McManus,
Speaker 2: we were talking about if this story's true, if what's
Speaker 2: up at the store, and I was saying, I don't
Speaker 2: even think he's married. I think he's boys either.
Speaker 1: I think I think the same dude.
Speaker 2: I think he's playing around. I think he's lost his mind.
Speaker 2: I think he's done a little too many peyote trips
Speaker 2: and isolation chambers where he's just fucking with everybody. And
Speaker 2: when I when I droned his house and I saw
Speaker 2: that new dog that was out on his on his couch,
Speaker 2: I think that when he's talking about his wife, he's
Speaker 2: actually just picturing that dog. Not that he's in love
Speaker 2: with the dog, or he's married with the dogg or
Speaker 2: he but fuck's the dog. I'm just saying that, like,
Speaker 2: you know, he's probably picturing the dog, just going, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I'm talking about this girl. I'm talking about
Speaker 2: Brittany for Tanny or whatever it is, and uh, I'm
Speaker 2: just talking about my dog. And it's hilarious. So in
Speaker 2: the last interview he said that you know, she'll she'll
Speaker 2: come out when she wants to. She's it's all on
Speaker 2: her terms. All that. I still think it's bullshit. I
Speaker 2: think he's talking about the dog. Let that be known
Speaker 2: on the podcast, but we got some pictures of him
Speaker 2: coming out and it just looked like he was fucking
Speaker 2: with us the whole time. It was hilarious.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he knows you guys are up there, right,
Speaker 1: or he knows where the photographers sit up there. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: are you completely visible to him up there or is
Speaker 1: he like stick giving the finger without seeing you. He's
Speaker 1: just kind of guessing that you're there.
Speaker 2: It's completely visible. It's not like we're jumping around and
Speaker 2: we're like just we're still in a bush. Like the
Speaker 2: neighbors don't really know that we're there, but because there's
Speaker 2: no way unless they really knew we were there or something.
Speaker 2: But I don't even think they would stand for that
Speaker 2: kind of thing. But they he knows we're there, and
Speaker 2: if you just looked up to that spot, he would know.
Speaker 2: So if he sees any shooting, plus thes like these
Speaker 2: little kind of ripped holes in the fence and stuff
Speaker 2: where you can put your lens even if you don't
Speaker 2: want to sit in that lounge chair. But the whole
Speaker 2: thing is is hilarious. And you know, you pay thirty
Speaker 2: some odd million dollars for a fucking house in Malibu
Speaker 2: and you've got savages sitting in lounge chairs and the
Speaker 2: bushes above your house. It's kind of ridiculous. Had some
Speaker 2: info on a new Jennifer Garner movie, Nothing Big. She's
Speaker 2: playing a food influencer, which on her Instagram, on her
Speaker 2: social media she has a mock show called a it's
Speaker 2: called not a Cooking Show or something like that. I
Speaker 2: think maybe it kind of spun off that or whatever,
Speaker 2: but she kind of does it anyway. But she plays
Speaker 2: a food influencer and it was just a quick scene
Speaker 2: of her coming out of a building in LA and
Speaker 2: I think it's supposed to be in like New York
Speaker 2: or Chicago or something like that. Quick easy, Jennifer Garner
Speaker 2: looking great. You know when Carner comes out out of
Speaker 2: hair and makeup and she's just you know, looking great
Speaker 2: and stuff. There's just great pictures. Oh boys, didn't see
Speaker 2: him really go anywhere. Also had some info on a
Speaker 2: new Josh Brolin movie with Elizabeth Shoe. Was he in
Speaker 2: a movie with her where he plays And the info
Speaker 2: was down in Sam Pedro kind of where I was
Speaker 2: shooting the Rookie actually earlier, and it looked like it
Speaker 2: was gonna be all boat stuff. You know, they just
Speaker 2: they just show up there. The base camps there and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But then they just go out on
Speaker 2: the docks and they take off on a boat all day.
Speaker 2: But the premise of the movie is a guy who
Speaker 2: is a diver goes out on a diving kind of
Speaker 2: expedition and he gets swallowed by a whale. That's kind
Speaker 2: of fun and it's a race against time before he
Speaker 2: runs out of air.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 2: And if anybody knows that story, that story is technically
Speaker 2: Jediby Dick, Moby Dick. There you go. Boom. So Josh
Speaker 2: Brolin playing Captain Ahab. They got a few pictures of
Speaker 2: him while he was kind of heading out, you know,
Speaker 2: onto the boat. They were doing rehearsals for almost an
Speaker 2: hour before they even went out on the boat. Wow
Speaker 2: heeek out on the docks and you know, get a
Speaker 2: few frames of them there. But what was crazy about
Speaker 2: this Jedi's so typical. You know, I'm there, they go
Speaker 2: out on the boat, I'm waiting around. They come back
Speaker 2: for lunch. This is three or four hours later, right,
Speaker 2: this is almost four o'clock in the afternoon. They come
Speaker 2: back within ten minutes before the boat starts showing up,
Speaker 2: my competition shows up.
Speaker 1: Oh come on.
Speaker 2: Come on, right, So I mean they probably knew. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but it turned out to be non exclusive.
Speaker 2: But Josh Brolin, And it's funny because I got him
Speaker 2: getting on the boat. I had some frames. I sent
Speaker 2: him in. You know, him on this thing, No big deal.
Speaker 2: He comes off the boat, he's shirtless, covered in tattoos.
Speaker 2: So it's like that that's a guarantee right there. You know,
Speaker 2: it just sucks that it was non exclusive. But shot
Speaker 2: him coming in, shot him as he walked. But also
Speaker 2: shows the kind of inexperience of my competition. Josh Brolin
Speaker 2: comes by, covered in tattoo, shirtless, right, you get him
Speaker 2: coming down the barrel, do you stop there? No, no,
Speaker 2: you turn around and you get his back because you
Speaker 2: know he's got back tattoos as well, right exactly. Competition
Speaker 2: did not do that.
Speaker 1: They did not really.
Speaker 2: So I got a few pictures up there. I think
Speaker 2: I got three or four, and my competition I think
Speaker 2: got one.
Speaker 1: There you go, victory for Mark.
Speaker 2: And then I picked up a couple of day rates
Speaker 2: Jedi in the last few few days.
Speaker 1: Oh check you out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One of them was Ditty's ceo the day of
Speaker 2: his trial, the day or the day of the verdict.
Speaker 2: Did he's verdict and we should probably touch on this
Speaker 2: if we can. But the day of his verdict, they
Speaker 2: wanted me to go and check out his old CEO
Speaker 2: of his company, Christine and a Quorum Korman. It was
Speaker 2: one of those where we didn't know anything, didn't know
Speaker 2: anything about her. There had been people working on her before,
Speaker 2: no luck, no joy. And it's one of those where
Speaker 2: you have to watch the residential valet as well as
Speaker 2: the parking, the underground parking coming out, so extremely difficult
Speaker 2: to watch. Everybody coming out. Everybody's coming out in tinted range, rovers,
Speaker 2: tinted Mercedes, tinted this into that, and Jedi. Every single
Speaker 2: woman who wasn't obviously sixty and up or the men
Speaker 2: that are sixty and up in this place, everything it
Speaker 2: must have been. It's a whole Armenian building. Everybody in
Speaker 2: there's Armenian. They're all that. And every single girl that
Speaker 2: came out of this place looked like her. You know,
Speaker 2: so you were you were in Glendale and in one
Speaker 2: way or another, well it must be called the Glendale. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was just constant. Was that her go follow over
Speaker 2: within five miles, try and get her give up. Was
Speaker 2: that her, go follow go within five miles if she
Speaker 2: gets out, get a shot. Nope, not her. I think
Speaker 2: it's probably I think I counted sixteen lookalikes that was,
Speaker 2: you know, Oh my god, in the first day. And
Speaker 2: then the second day, I'm there early in the morning,
Speaker 2: around nine thirty, ten o'clock, somebody comes out, no tint,
Speaker 2: and I'm looking right at her, and I'm thinking, is
Speaker 2: that her? But my whole mindset is I've seen sixteen lookalikes.
Speaker 2: It's probably not her. She's probably not even around. I'm
Speaker 2: not even you know. But for some reason, you know,
Speaker 2: you get that feeling, you know, you get that kind
Speaker 2: of spidey tingle, you know, and you're like, okay, I
Speaker 2: gotta go after. She got two blocks down, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: I gotta go after. Went after her, caught up to her.
Speaker 2: She drives all the way over to Hollywood and then
Speaker 2: ends up getting out. I get a few frames. We
Speaker 2: decide that it is her, but we still don't know
Speaker 2: for sure. They call a reporter in Goldie shows up.
Speaker 2: I mean in the nick of time, you know, because
Speaker 2: she's got to come across town in the nick of
Speaker 2: time she gets there. Christina ends up going up to
Speaker 2: get a smoothie so that the reporter has time to
Speaker 2: go up there confirm. And the way she confirmed was
Speaker 2: walking up and just sitting next to them as they
Speaker 2: were drinking their smoothies, and she was just yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yap, yap, diddy,
Speaker 2: this diddy, that diddy. This did he? That did you.
Speaker 2: That's how she confirmed. And then obviously came down and
Speaker 2: then we waited by the car where she could approach
Speaker 2: and I can get some photos and it was one
Speaker 2: of those hero moments you know, where you know it
Speaker 2: all worked out in the end. Everybody was happy. The
Speaker 2: outlet's happy. Yes, exactly next day, I'm on for another
Speaker 2: outlet and I'm working on the Karen Reid lawyer.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 2: Trying to get some photos of him. On four the July,
Speaker 2: right show up there early nothing, nothing, guy comes out.
Speaker 2: He goes to some random car. Because this guy's known
Speaker 2: to be driving like expensive beamers. He's got a nice house,
Speaker 2: he's got tons of money. The story at the moment
Speaker 2: was they've just signed some deal to like to write
Speaker 2: a script for the whole story about what's what's happening,
Speaker 2: like a movie script. They're looking to cash in on that.
Speaker 2: And this guy comes out and he goes out to
Speaker 2: like some like like VW. Tigwan or something like that. Random.
Speaker 2: And I didn't think the guy was there. I thought
Speaker 2: he was out of town and this is just a
Speaker 2: neighbor that was taking care of the house. You know.
Speaker 2: As I go over, I take a few pictures. I
Speaker 2: look at the guy. It's the guy, right, So I wait.
Speaker 2: Car comes out full of people can't see because of tint,
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to kind of like be DISCREETE follow
Speaker 2: the car from I don't know, probably almost twenty miles okay,
Speaker 2: high speed too, Like I thought they knew. I was
Speaker 2: on him in and out of the car pool lane
Speaker 2: down the two ten just I mean, just crazy, crazy driving,
Speaker 2: you know. I pull up alongside of him. Towards the end,
Speaker 2: I see it's just all girls in the car. I'm like,
Speaker 2: he's not in the back at the car, but I
Speaker 2: keep following. Anyway. They go to some horse stable and
Speaker 2: a bunch of girls get out of the car right
Speaker 2: and they've got a saddle and they're obviously going to
Speaker 2: do some riding, you know. Yeah, fuck, turn back around,
Speaker 2: drive all the way back to the fucking house. I
Speaker 2: think the guy's gone by then, you know, of course,
Speaker 2: git their wait. I'm waiting all day long. This is
Speaker 2: Fourth of July too. I want to get out of there.
Speaker 2: I want to be able to get down and at
Speaker 2: least get to see fireworks with my family.
Speaker 1: You know, So you want your burger and your hot dog.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so superate our Mexican food, so super late in
Speaker 2: the day, I look over and I see a guy
Speaker 2: hanging out in the driveway. Not him, It's just a
Speaker 2: guy hanging out on the driveway. So I actually pull
Speaker 2: by the house and I see the lawyer getting into
Speaker 2: some old classic Cobra convertible Cobra firing it up. He
Speaker 2: fires it up and revs the engine, and there's a
Speaker 2: buddy that's waiting for him to pull out of the
Speaker 2: garage and then hop in the passage sheet. They're going
Speaker 2: for a cruise, you know. In that case, I'm like,
Speaker 2: I got to get to the end of the street
Speaker 2: just to get him come, you know, in the car,
Speaker 2: driving the car. I get it. But then I'm like,
Speaker 2: now I got to get some video. So I get
Speaker 2: down to the bottom of the street, red light, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's no way I'm going to keep up
Speaker 2: with this guy. Right, he goes two blocks down, pulls
Speaker 2: a new gas station.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, oh perfect.
Speaker 2: So get pictures, get video, get him, you know, driving
Speaker 2: out of the gas station, all that stuff. He turns,
Speaker 2: he goes down a little back road and you know
Speaker 2: where his house is. I don't really know this area
Speaker 2: that much, so I don't know where he's gonna go
Speaker 2: or what he's gonna do. And he's in this car
Speaker 2: where he wants to go for a cruise, so he
Speaker 2: knows the cruising roads, you know. Yeah, So he turns off,
Speaker 2: goes down this back road, disappears. I drive about three miles.
Speaker 2: I finally catch up to him to a light. Right
Speaker 2: I catch up to him, I'm like, okay, just gonna
Speaker 2: do a little bit of video. It's from behind, and
Speaker 2: he just takes off in this thing and it's a
Speaker 2: downhill like straight away and you just see him just
Speaker 2: bone out. Just who I am exactly. I come out.
Speaker 2: I'm behind a couple of cars, but I finally get
Speaker 2: you know, maneuver my way out. I can't see him,
Speaker 2: can't anything, get to the next light, nothing, next light, nothing,
Speaker 2: that's he's gone, completely gone. So there's nothing I could
Speaker 2: do at that point. But I did get some good pictures,
Speaker 2: did get some decent video, and then that was it.
Speaker 2: You know, just in time.
Speaker 1: Had they run yet?
Speaker 4: I don't think so, you think I do want to
Speaker 4: get that up pretty fucking quick.
Speaker 1: Well, they're waiting for I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, probably can't release this episode until they do.
Speaker 2: But that's it. That's it for me. And then today
Speaker 2: I had another day ray, but or yesterday I had
Speaker 2: another day ray but didn't work out. That's stuff for future,
Speaker 2: another future time. And then had a little bit of
Speaker 2: a rookie today and that was it. I wanted to
Speaker 2: get into one thing Jedi before we go. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously there's some what you're watching. I've seen a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff lately. Honestly, I've been doing summer movies. I've
Speaker 2: been doing everything. But I'm gonna bring up one, okay,
Speaker 2: because it's a subject and what you're watching all in
Speaker 2: one Okay, Okay, Is there anything, by the way you've
Speaker 2: seen lately? Yeah, So Charlie's Thearren is in a show
Speaker 2: called the Old Guard too. Okay, so Netflix movie Old
Speaker 2: Guard one came out a few years ago, decent movie,
Speaker 2: decent action. It's Charlie's kicking ass. You know, I don't
Speaker 2: mind seeing that ever.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know, but.
Speaker 2: Old Guard two comes out, and Charlie's goes on to
Speaker 2: you know, one of those bigger podcasts that is far
Speaker 2: less interesting than ours, which is Call Her Daddy podcast. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: call him daddy, Call her Daddy. You know, the one
Speaker 2: that Kamala was on during the during the election time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know, I hear this is one of the
Speaker 2: biggest podcasts out there. You know, it's pretty great next
Speaker 2: to Joe Rogan. But Charlie's is on there, and she
Speaker 2: I've come to realize that this podcast is totally fucking fake.
Speaker 2: You know, like, if you're going to go on to
Speaker 2: this podcast, you're obviously instructed, Oh hey, be hip, you know,
Speaker 2: to say what you want. We're talking about sex, so
Speaker 2: if you want to bring up stuff stuff like that,
Speaker 2: you know, but do what you want. Charlie's is on there,
Speaker 2: and she's you know, I've just listened to clips. I
Speaker 2: haven't really listened to the whole thing, but she's on there,
Speaker 2: and you know she's f bombing right and left, fuck this,
Speaker 2: fuck that. Oh you know, you know, I have fucking
Speaker 2: orgasms still. Oh my daughter doesn't need a man, just
Speaker 2: constantly f bomb this, f bomb that. And I'm like, jeez,
Speaker 2: Charlie's man. I mean, so I heard these interviews before
Speaker 2: I watched the Old Guard. Just watch the Old Guard
Speaker 2: one again just to kind of get, you know, warmed
Speaker 2: up to the new one. So I'm listening to her
Speaker 2: talk about this, and she's on there going, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I just went out the other night, you know,
Speaker 2: and I took this twenty six year old home and
Speaker 2: fucked the shit out of them. And the girls out there,
Speaker 2: you know, need to understand that. You know, you need
Speaker 2: to go get yourself. Fucking fuck boy. This guy was
Speaker 2: so I had so many fucking orgasms. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: this fucking twenty six year old fucking oh my god.
Speaker 2: He blew my fucking mind. Everything she talked about for
Speaker 2: her daughter, you know, her daughter's trans or something like that.
Speaker 2: You know, she adopted some kids and you know she's
Speaker 2: calling them trans and they think they're trands. Are a
Speaker 2: little too young I think for that to understand and
Speaker 2: She's talking about fucking these twenty six year olds and
Speaker 2: her fucking orgasms and all.
Speaker 1: The fucking Oh Jesus Christ and.
Speaker 2: I when I saw The Old Guard Too, I just
Speaker 2: started imagining her interview during the movie, and it ruined
Speaker 2: the movie for me. Jedi, you know, I keep looking
Speaker 2: at her and I'm seeing her fighting, and she's in
Speaker 2: there with Uma Thurman, you know, Uma Thurman is her
Speaker 2: is her nemesis or the villain in the show. In
Speaker 2: the movie, and they have a big fight scene in
Speaker 2: the end, which was okay, up for a third one,
Speaker 2: but you would think Charlie's and Uma Thurman. I was
Speaker 2: really getting excited about that team up, and I was
Speaker 2: really getting excited about that fight, but all I could
Speaker 2: think about was Charlie's talking about her fucking twenty six
Speaker 2: year olds, and it just kind of ruined the movie
Speaker 2: for me. Wow, it's kind of a bummer. And I
Speaker 2: would say, go see go see the Old Guard too,
Speaker 2: just because it continues from the old one. If you
Speaker 2: like the old one, you'll like this new one. We've
Speaker 2: just got a few minutes left and I wanted to
Speaker 2: touch on one more. I texted you to watch Sirens.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I forget about that.
Speaker 2: So you didn't watch it.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch it yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, you know we made the prediction of Sidney Sweeney,
Speaker 2: did we not?
Speaker 1: Absolutely we made her career.
Speaker 2: You made her career. It had nothing to do with
Speaker 2: her with her chest right.
Speaker 1: No, nothing the toy so her acting ability.
Speaker 2: Yes, if you go this, the listeners go back and
Speaker 2: they want to listen to the next Big Thing. It's
Speaker 2: one of our old podcasts. We called Sidney Sweeney the
Speaker 2: next big thing because of you just see something, you
Speaker 2: know when you're in our job. I mean, we were
Speaker 2: working on Jennifer Lawrence before anybody else. Jedi was working
Speaker 2: on Sidney Sweeney before anybody else. And you just see
Speaker 2: these people and you see you can make that prediction. Well,
Speaker 2: in Sirens, there's this there's this actor. Her name is
Speaker 2: Millie Alcock. But she gave me the same feeling Jedi.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, I remember you saying.
Speaker 2: But she's got that meaniness and I am calling her
Speaker 2: the next big thing.
Speaker 1: She's got the Sweeney fact.
Speaker 2: So huh, She's got the Sweeny factor. She's got some
Speaker 2: sweeniness to her, and you know it's kind of like swagger.
Speaker 2: Sweeney swagger, right.
Speaker 1: The Sweeney swagger. She's Australian.
Speaker 2: She's Australian, yes, and you know as I because I
Speaker 2: hadn't seen her anything else. Supposedly she was in House
Speaker 2: of Dragons, Out of Dragons, Supposedly she was in that.
Speaker 2: I never saw her in that, but I did see
Speaker 2: her in Sirens. I felt the sweeniness, the Sweeney swagger, right.
Speaker 2: And then when I looked into her IMDb and I
Speaker 2: looked up what she's about to do, she's she's gonna
Speaker 2: be in the new Superman movie and she's going to
Speaker 2: be Supergirl.
Speaker 4: I mean, I heard terrible things about that Superman movie.
Speaker 2: I heard terrible things too, but it did get a
Speaker 2: ninety five by the people on Rotten Tomatoes, which I
Speaker 2: think is all bought and paid for. But she's going
Speaker 2: to be Supergirl in the news. She shall obviously be introduced,
Speaker 2: probably as a small part in that thing. But she
Speaker 2: also has a standalone movie coming out that she's going
Speaker 2: to be shooting where she is going to be Supergirl
Speaker 2: in her own standalone movie. And that's that is the
Speaker 2: next big thing type of movement, you know what I mean? Absolutely,
Speaker 2: so I am calling it right now. Jedi that Millie
Speaker 2: Allcock is going to be the next big thing.
Speaker 4: Wow, super Girl coming out twenty twenty six. Post production
Speaker 4: at the moment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, post production is I would have said.
Speaker 1: It says post production.
Speaker 2: Oh, she's already shot it.
Speaker 1: Shit.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited. I'm excited to see if you know,
Speaker 2: the PBC can predict another huge star.
Speaker 1: I think so right two for two, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But we touched on about three quarters of the things
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about. But there's a little bit
Speaker 2: more that I wanted to touch on and we're going to
Speaker 2: have to get that in the next one.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, mate. Yeah, I'm about ready for bed.
Speaker 4: I've crawled into bed listeners, I've left the desk of
Speaker 4: my hotel room, and I'm currently very close to closing
Speaker 4: my eyes.
Speaker 2: What a world we live in that you could just
Speaker 2: lay down and do a podcast.
Speaker 1: Oh I love it all right.
Speaker 2: Well, on that note, let's wrap it up. And if
Speaker 2: we have offended anybody on this episode, we do apologize,
Speaker 2: but for myself and for Jedi who take care you will.
Speaker 1: Sitting in the bed is giving me no energy, so
Speaker 1: I jump off a wedding.
Speaker 2: Alcock Alcock