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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and chim and welcome back to Daredevil Born Again.

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This is episode three. I'm the Man who wears indoor

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sunglasses trest now, and I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: I Am the hollow Hand of God Kirkland Patzer.

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Speaker 3: I am not the Mayor, I'm the man, Dylan Muss.

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Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, you guys are in a role I

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have not been able to like both weeks I have.

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I have nothing for this show so far. That's not

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saying negative about the show. I'm just like, there's nothing

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popped in and be like, oh, you know that's that's even

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Taylor's that. I gave him a lot of credit for

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the Andy thing. He is wrong. The guy's name is Adam.

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You know the episode. Yeah, I heard them say to

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Marvel Alliance, and I'm like, Okay, they're probably right, but

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then there's a chance they're wrong. And then tonight he's

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a Adam Like, okay, so we're wrong about that. But yes,

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we are back to talk about everyone's favorite devil and

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hell kitchen. As we said, probably won't do this promotion

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every week, but we have lots of Daredevil. We reviewed

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every season Daredevil, me and Dylan. There's retros for Kirkland,

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dill Or Kirkland and Taylor reviewing it. I guess you

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could still take our predictions cast, but there's lots of

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daredel if you ever think, hey, what do we think

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about those original episodes? But just promote one more time

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because we're near the beginning here. But yeah, mister musk,

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what did you think of episode three? Obviously last week

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big premiere seven years back. I won't say a contentious review,

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but honestly, lots of scuttle butt between us and just

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the internet in general about how things are going and stuff.

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So how are things going now? In the second week?

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Third episode? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: You know what funny this episode?

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Speaker 4: You know, it was the same length as those first

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two episodes, and obviously the last week we had two

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episodes to talk about all at once. But this felt

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like a twenty minute episode in terms of like how

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much happened. It was good stuff, I think it was.

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It was a well done episode. There's some crazy things

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that happened, even though it's a you know, or only

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Speaker 3: But yeah, this episode felt really short.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: It's one of those things where we're coming to cast,

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I'm like, I don't have any notes. I don't know

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how I'll be able to talk about this episode four

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because there's really only like one storyline that gets actual

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momentum and then just a couple like quick little shots

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here there. So yeah, a pretty simple, straightforward episode, but

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still a juicy one with some crazy stuff that happens.

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Speaker 3: So I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: You juicing over there, Kirk, I was juicing for this one. Yeah. No,

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I think this episode over the last two. I liked

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the second episode more than the first, and I like

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this episode even more than those those other two, And

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which is interesting because, as you just kind of glossed

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over there, Dylan, like, I feel like we are focusing

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on a specific area of the show right now, even

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though in the first two, like we covered more bases.

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I still just like the content here. I think it

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also helped for me. You know, that first week was

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right off the hop off of my My Daredevil retrospective,

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two shows. I already aired some of my complaints on

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that episode, but this week I didn't really have any

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of those thoughts. I was just enjoying this show on

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how it is now. I think Charlie Cox is just man.

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He's he's just he's the law man, he's the man

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of many faces. He's here so good in this role.

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screen here, even the intro, I was a lot more

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warmed up to this time around. I feel like the

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first week, I'm like, ah, this isn't the original. I

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see what they're doing with this the Saint anything close

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to the original. But I'm just enjoying the different tone

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of the show, but also the different tone of the

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theme that goes with the show. And yeah, no, I'm

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the show. Obviously it's early, but so far, so good

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Speaker 1: Good. I'm excited to talk about it with you guys. Yeah,

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of Tras always being like the Simon col I. This

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is my least favorite episode. Everything that Kirkland just said,

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like all the openings doing it for me more like

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now I watched it like I really miss the old one.

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Speaker 4: They're just I finally watched it this week, and it

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sucks a waste of time.

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Speaker 1: And then there's still just stuff like I can fully

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admit I'm still processing stuff like when we have scenes

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of Matt with whatever, new Foggy and new Karen bounce

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just sitting there being like, this isn't working for me.

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sounds like a bad way to say it, because I

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don't want to offend the actors, but I saw a

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lot of people comparing them to like this felt like Daredevil,

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like CW Daredevil, And that's how these actors feel a

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little bit to me. I don't think they're bad actors,

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but just feels like there's something missing here. And this

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is a tough thing, right. The other show had three

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and a half seasons, cunning Daredevil's of you know, connection,

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but even season one it felt like, oh, these characters

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had a lot of chemistry. They are in it minorly.

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hundred percent hated, felt it went against his character and

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this and last week's episode were supposed to be the

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actual premiere. That first episode they shot new stuff, also

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new about Foggy and Karen, so this was only supposed

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to be eight episodes. This really still feels like to me, like, oh,

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it's doing that thing where it's like, oh, this is

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Charlie Cox and drenof Reel play these characters, but they're

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not the Netflix daredel one. To me, this show acts

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like nothing has happened in the past for Matt Murdoch

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with everything that they've gone through. But then season one

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the case, like that did happen. So I'll be more

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specific in spoilers, but yeah, there's definitely a lot of

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things that I have issues with. So we'll go to

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an ad break right now and then we'll be right

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Speaker 3: I got a Devil in Hell's Kitchen tight It's funny.

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Speaker 2: Traus is just mentioning how like we do have the

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big court episode, and normally, you know, you would have Karen, Foggy,

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and Matt doing it together. But I'm like, just let

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other ones were, and here this episode he was just

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he was standing on his own and I was juicing

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over all this this court stuff. Here, I feel like

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show guy. You know, I watched most of Suits back

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in the day, and this episode was bringing me back

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to that where I'm like, man, I'm so just interested

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in this whole court situation. End of the episode, you know,

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name right. You know, it's this episode I feel like

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just had a lot of like a more emotion for

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me just knowing that he's since passed and this is

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the last thing I imagine I'll ever get to see him.

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Speaker 1: It's a shame that we didn't like I don't know

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how they would have worked it, but now I kind

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of would have liked an episode or two where he

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was free in New York and we could have saw

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some of the adventures or crying fighting always saw. Was

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that like stock footage from a like a gas station

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fight right where he's ronning around, Like I would I

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would liked an opening or one maybe. Then they're talking

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him on a mission saving somebody. It's on a native

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he like you said, it was good, had a lot

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So, yeah, the court stuff was I was

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it's it's not looking good for the people that were,

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they're lying on the stand. We get all these glare

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Speaker 4: Really great about all of the writing here, specifically from

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Speaker 4: Hector Ayala right where he's defending him, but then all

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Speaker 3: Right, So we're talking about how he's like.

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this point, which is like very symbolic of like, you know,

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necessarily through him having conversations with other people, but through

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just kind of like having this mirrored perspective with this

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guy who's now gone in a really unjust way.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna We talked about this last week. Two things.

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there you go, has Yai, you know, just hert I

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was so willing to do the pizza bed.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad I didn't do that.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, they're not killing it after he just a

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bull's eye. And Two, because Dylan you said you feel

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like he's dared Oel, do you feel like he's Daredevil

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yet right now? I feel like he's still not. I

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feel like he's still he's still.

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he was. He was brushing horn right exactly what he

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was brushing that horn. But it's like, where do we

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go from now, because like what other side characters, storyline

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do we have to deal with, Like we don't like

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we we killed a hector at this point, so like

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we're going full d D mode because like, I don't

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see how he wants to trust the system anymore after

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what just happened, right, Like, I don't think we're going

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to get a whole lot more courtroom stuff.

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we're I think we're going to get into it here.

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Speaker 1: Well, and that that's my issue where I think I agree.

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I like majority of the court stuff. There's one one

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I hate he said something and they go to the

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cops and all the cops in the court like they're

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all it's like if they're dead guilty or they're like

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right there. It just felt like it's different if you're

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at but it's like if the jury's there and they're like, yeah,

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I've never assuming they're like, like the jury's sitting right

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there there. That seems a little suspicious, Like why are

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all the cops maniacally laughing? So that was one point,

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but the rest of stuff was fine for me. I

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like the mirroring them talking about the suit and everything

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like that. I absolutely could not stand that Matt outed

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him without his permission because they like, this is my

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problem why I don't think this was written to be

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the Netflix Starituvil because he has dealt with this for

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three years. He at the time when he's in the

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cell of Hector talking to him about oh, you know,

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the suit and everything like that. There could be criminals

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being like, oh, that's the fucking guy who's White Tiger.

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I'm gonna find him and fuck his family up. Like

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I just hate. I would have been more on board

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if he was willing to they said like, hey, this

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is the only step. But even then, like it's hard

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for me to buy White Tiger and be like, yeah,

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reveal who I am, so like one, like we said

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in this episode, he easily killed. But I just I

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didn't like Matt because it'd be different if Matt was public,

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if it was like a Spider Man thing right, like

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he knew and he's like, hey, I've been through this,

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but you'll make it through. It's gonna be okay. He's

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such a hypocrite, he's not out. So when he's talking,

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hector like, well you gotta put that suitway event she

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and become who you are. It's like, yeah, but you

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did that being Matt Murdoch, not Matt Murdock as Daredevil.

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So there was so much stuff that was clashing and

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for him and him and out of it's just like you've,

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like you just watched this current how much of foggy

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Karen in trouble because Fisk is after them, right, He's

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fucking with them. So it's the fact that he would

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never think like, oh, I'm gonna reveal Hector's personality or

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secret person at persona that personality. I guess it counts.

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But either way, the fact that he did that without

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his permission, what if he would have been like, I'd

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rather go to prison than people like Fisk or fucking Bullseye.

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Know who my family is, Like, he's his little nieces

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right there. Bulls are gonna fuck that kid up. So

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I couldn't stand that. I felt like it went against

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everything that from the mat I know, the show did

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not fit of him outing without his permission, that feels

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very risky. And didn't like that, and Hector is just

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kind of cool with that. I liked seeing the stories

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of the heroes, but I just thought it was way

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way too risky. And look what happened. That's what happened, right,

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He got fucking cat very easily.

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Speaker 2: We'll get there, and he didn't get capped because he

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was Hector. He was wearing the white tiger suit and

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he was just doing what he does.

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like they know exactly where he is, right, And that's

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my problem with that too, is so I guess we'll

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get there. Hector again, his suit up moment puts on

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very good moment. He walks out just very weirdly. A

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guy just walks out from the alley, shoots someone, walks away,

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like this guy is an ambulet, Like you're telling me

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he couldn't. He didn't sense anything, nothing going on. But

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my thing is like, Okay, so now when like Matt

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Morock does get the caution back, if Kingpin just like

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had this man killed, why is Kingpin not gonna have

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someone just assassiny Matt in court? Like, I feel like

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the stakes are gonna be kind of curious when Matt

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gets back there. And I'm interested to see so I'm

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not saying as a negative yet, but I'm curious of Okay,

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now Fisk is just straight up assassinating people. That puts

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you in a risky spot of why doesn't he just

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kill Frank Castle? Why he just killed Daredevil?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess you could at least pass it

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off as like he was fighting crime and the other

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guy had a gun and it just and like it,

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you know, there's a way that you could pass that

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off as like not suspicious, like justight, well, yeah, this

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is the dangers of you just going out in the street.

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And obviously it was a hit job. But like the

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fact that he didn't covered the nightfall too, no one

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was there. It's not like he was defending someone in

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that moment. He was just walking up the fucking steps,

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you know. So I think they could at least defend

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it that way where he's like, yeah, if someone showed

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up in court and shot Matt in the head, hopefully

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that would be a little bit that would raise the

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flags a little bit more in terms of it being

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foul play. But I think you made a really good

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point about like, is that something Matt would do. I

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feel like he just really got backed into a corner.

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I felt like he had nothing else he could do,

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and he saw the path to victory and just didn't

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expect the consequences of it. But that also feels a

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little out of his character that he wouldn't expect something

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like this to happen. And I mean it took like

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what five hours before him to die, so I'm sure

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that'll be a big, you know, motivation for the rest

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of the season. So yeah, that'll definitely set him.

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Speaker 1: Off, I hope. So now, I hope it's not like

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a sense where it's like I can't be Daredel when

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he's like not dared Ol for like three more episodes.

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But that's where I will say, Okay, I hope they

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treat it as the character really screws up. I don't

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want to be like this is a very vague reference,

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but there's one season where Dexter accidentally killed an innocent

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guy and for like an episode he was really bummed

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about and talked about like changing the code all this time,

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and then nothing ever happened. It just was dropped. And

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that's my worry, because I haven't loved the writing of

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the show, is he's gonna have one episode four where's

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very mad about it, very sad, and then it's not

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really gonna come up again. I think the problem is

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with what they showed of who killed them. I feel

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like that's gonna take what could be good character motivation

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for the Hector stuff away and more focused on what

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that's gonna be and stuff. But Superman Mike says he

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agrees with me. Think Mike, I'll always take that. Matt

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outing the secret identity was a big problem for me,

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biggest character flaw the show so far felt out of character.

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Lastris will come back to you in a second, because

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that's a bigger story.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, for what was I gonna say, I

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was gonna add on something you said earlier, Travis. Oh,

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for the fact that like Fisk being after like Karen

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and Foggy, I feel like like Fist doesn't know about

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Matt's identity though until like the end of the show,

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and Yeahs is after Karen and Foggy pretty much the

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whole shot like series like before that, So I wouldn't

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say that is like the biggest factor, but I do.

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Speaker 1: Hard for them though, right, like lots of times.

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Speaker 2: Like Yeahs, he didn't he didn't do that because of

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Daredevil and knowing Matt's I know.

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Speaker 1: But that's why I mean, like if they did that

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just because a lawyer, is, what's Fist going to do

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to a vigilante? And that's what he did, right, But

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remember Wesley.

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Speaker 2: New guy now right, you know he's a mayor, He's

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he's a new guy. Bullshit. But uh, yeah, I know,

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I I do agree with the it just feeling out

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of character. I feel like in that moment it just

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seems so left field and not what I was going

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to expect at all. But what followed I just really loved,

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like when he's just like doing all like the the

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what is it like basically the good reviews from the

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White Tiger Bye by the officers even, Like, I just

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love that montage. So I think right away it was like, oh,

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this is actually a really sweet take. I was really

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intrigued on what was going to be coming after the

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fact of he is like he's known now, he's a

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he's a public trial. It's a really big deal, you know,

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like it was an officer death trial, and I was

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just interested more so what was gonna happen with Kingpin

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and and Hector and just like that. And then right

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at the end of episode it just yeah, it just

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I just felt gutted. It's like, man, really all of

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that just to have him killed. Now, you guys already

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brought up some good points. I do hope that it

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is fuel to the fire for Matt and like the

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Daredevil side of the show, because that's been well, you know,

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it's only three episodes in, but like it it feels

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like it is on the back Burner, just the whole

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daredevil side of the character. So I am intrigued to

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what's gonna happen after the fact. But I will agree

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it did feel very left field. But I mean it's

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a bold move, but it worked, right, Like he saved

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him and he just the emotions that that was the

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emotion that was shown in that in that court. I mean,

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I feel like he would have been dead anyways, right

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like if they lost the trial, Like like what you

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just said, everybody knows that he's white tiger, He's going

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to prison, especially it is a high risk situation. Probably

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should have just fled the whole fucking you know, country,

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let alone city.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably would have been safer in that route because yeah,

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but again I wonder what would have been because you argue, Okay,

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he might be dead in prison if he goes there

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as just hector, but again he dies. It's it's hard

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to counter argue because the argument is, yeah, a couple

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of hours later, he's headshot, right, So you could just

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say it's screwed for him. And that's where I'll go

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back to, which I'll actually disagree with as someone they

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didn't enjoy that sode too much. Lazar says, we'th three episodes,

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and what really has happened to progress the main plot?

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I think a lot, because I think the two biggest

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plots are the main one's vigil antism, right, and that

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was okay, Fisk said, I'm gonna get rid of vigilantes.

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Vigilante wins the court case, he gets rid of them,

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and then they plant seeds for something else we'll talk about.

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So that got progressed. And two you can see hopefully

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this is gonna be Matt's way to get back to Daredevil.

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And just like last week, the whole the subplot was, well,

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Fisk and Matt stray away from their old ways, right,

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and both of them last week didn't and Matt didn't

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really do anything this week, maybe you could say the

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outing was being more daredevilish. I don't think so, but

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maybe someone might chalk that up to that. But then

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Fisk literally he talked, he talked down to Vanessa about

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having people killed and like that's just like brutals, like

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blood fights or whatever. And how does he end this

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episode by doing exactly what he kind of like gas

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lit Vanessa for He's like, oh, don't be just a

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common criminal. And then the end of this episode. Yeah,

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he's still got the atom Andy's blood. And then he

472
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,720
because me, there's an anty guy. And then he offered

473
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,759
he put a hit out for a hero. So whatever

474
00:20:22,839 --> 00:20:24,559
he told Vanessa not to do, he did. So that's

475
00:20:24,599 --> 00:20:26,920
why I think we've progressed that those two characters are changing,

476
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,079
and I think they're getting the vigilante thing up. I

477
00:20:29,079 --> 00:20:30,920
think the logo you saw at the end is a

478
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,880
clear point to where we're going and why we're going there.

479
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,480
So m yeah, and I agree with Mike. He would

480
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,559
have at least gone to jail. But now his family's exposed. Like,

481
00:20:39,839 --> 00:20:41,359
now you're the family of the White Tiger and that

482
00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,440
poses a lot. Now, no white Tiger to protect you.

483
00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,400
Matt better be there twenty four to seven.

484
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,160
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't you know, I don't see Fist

485
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,519
going after the family, Like why would he do that?

486
00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:53,039
Speaker 1: You know, but any other criminal, right, but ever someone's like,

487
00:20:53,039 --> 00:20:55,000
oh he put my cousin in prison, you know, like

488
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:55,920
I'm gonna fuck him up.

489
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,559
Speaker 4: Maybe Bullseye maybe like people who are fully on that

490
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,680
sanity spectrum, but I think everyone else would be.

491
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,640
Speaker 1: Nice jobs done. Yeah, anything we'll talk about, like the

492
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,720
logo we'll say at the very end there, but anything

493
00:21:09,759 --> 00:21:13,279
else in the main episode here to talk about, Well,

494
00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:18,039
Dylan has a hand off of Wells.

495
00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 4: Stuff first, so you go, Dylan, I get my question

496
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,200
for you guys is gonna be next? Because you know,

497
00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:25,200
another thing we got in this episode was the kind

498
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,519
of BB interviews, which I really like, I think getting

499
00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:30,200
that perspective of the people in New York.

500
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,279
Speaker 3: I like the cinematography of it. I think we got.

501
00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:33,799
Speaker 4: I feel like we got less of it this week

502
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,000
than we have in the previous episodes. Maybe I'm just

503
00:21:36,039 --> 00:21:39,039
bundling those two ones together, but we've kind we're kind

504
00:21:39,039 --> 00:21:41,200
of always getting like different perspectives on things, and this

505
00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,279
one was a little bit more biased towards like people

506
00:21:43,279 --> 00:21:45,480
were in favor of Hector. It feels like, but what

507
00:21:45,519 --> 00:21:47,079
do you guys think, Like if we get some of

508
00:21:47,079 --> 00:21:50,319
those shots next episode, what do you guys think the

509
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,480
people of New York are gonna think? Are people gonna

510
00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,400
be like really sad about what happened with Hector? Or

511
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,359
are we gonna get like the classic like the white

512
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,559
dude redneck that we got before, being like what's coming

513
00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:01,880
to them? Like do you think we're gonna get both

514
00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,119
sides of it, or like, how is that that political

515
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:04,559
side of.

516
00:22:04,519 --> 00:22:05,799
Speaker 3: New York going to be balanced out?

517
00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 2: I think they'll be pretty in the middle. I feel like,

518
00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:10,720
like you, Dylan, I did think we got a lot

519
00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:12,839
less in this episode, but it's also we had two

520
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,400
episodes worth last week, so it was probably the exact

521
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:18,640
same amount per episode. But I think even just judging

522
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,240
by last week's they did have a decent amount of

523
00:22:21,319 --> 00:22:24,400
like the pro Fisk versus the against fist, like the

524
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,119
people who are calling him a crook and whatnot. And

525
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,720
I do like that side of those stories because it's

526
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,960
very much just showing the overall temperature check on the

527
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,799
streets of New York, right, and then where people are

528
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:40,200
are thinking, and it's I mean, the courts room was

529
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,319
very much majority positive for the whole white Tiger thing,

530
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,960
but I imagine they'll be there'll be quite a few

531
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,279
that were against him and just just the whole idea

532
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:53,160
and people just aligned with Fisk on the anti vigilanti route, right, Like,

533
00:22:53,279 --> 00:22:55,599
I imagine there's gonna be a lot of the cops

534
00:22:55,599 --> 00:22:58,240
will probably be like maybe interviewed and like give there

535
00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:03,960
with their big fucking terrify tattoo. It's a Punisher logo,

536
00:23:04,039 --> 00:23:06,640
but it was called Terrifier had like the t I

537
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,720
don't know if it was Terrified or Terrifier, but they

538
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,200
had a different It wasn't called Punisher.

539
00:23:11,319 --> 00:23:14,599
Speaker 1: No on the wall or did I have the words

540
00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:15,519
on the tattoo?

541
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,400
Speaker 2: I thought I had words on the tattoo.

542
00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: Okay, it says triggered.

543
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 2: On the wall, oh, triggered, Okay, there you go, whatever

544
00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:22,759
the hell it is.

545
00:23:22,839 --> 00:23:26,079
Speaker 1: Triggered. Yeah, on the wall flame it was the skull

546
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,599
and has said triggered and I got a good laugh

547
00:23:27,599 --> 00:23:29,519
at that. But I can't remember if the tattoos had

548
00:23:29,559 --> 00:23:29,960
that or not.

549
00:23:30,079 --> 00:23:32,759
Speaker 2: But I'm probably just imagining that because it's just like

550
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:35,079
I saw the guy's neck tattoo and it was just

551
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,079
like really small. So I think I was just reading

552
00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,279
triggered in my own mind.

553
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I yeah. I think it'll be down the

554
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,440
middle for now. I think maybe at some point in

555
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,480
whether it's this season or next season, I don't know

556
00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:48,839
how long Fisk mayor will last, but I feel like

557
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,400
they will eventually at some point have a reel of

558
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,759
almost all the people on the good guy's side, like saying,

559
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,759
like all the good things and show like all the

560
00:23:57,759 --> 00:24:00,359
people of New York have changed, or they've really the

561
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,759
air of their ways where they've seen a new sigh

562
00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:05,400
themselves that maybe you know, White Tiger's not so bad

563
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,400
or there was not so bad, or maybe Fisk is terrible.

564
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,759
But I think until that switch happens, they're going to

565
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,240
keep it down the middle, especially because like they're both acting,

566
00:24:13,279 --> 00:24:14,960
it's kind of the main characters here. Like you can

567
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,720
make an argument that maybe not this episode, because Matt

568
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,880
was definitely the focus, but the last two I think

569
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,319
Fisk had almost as much as screen time and Matt

570
00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:24,160
it felt like right, so they felt like a two

571
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,960
hand or this one we really only saw Fisk on

572
00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:28,319
at the end where he wanted to talk to BB.

573
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,119
He saw the news report you want to talk to BB.

574
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,319
He gave her the interview, which I did. Like they

575
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,119
shout out the bulletin where Karen used to work, like

576
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:37,079
all we got people at the I think they said

577
00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:39,200
Bulletin or Times wherever the newspaper she used to work

578
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,279
there with Ben Yurick. He's like, oh, well you could

579
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:42,920
do an interview. There's like no, no, no, I want

580
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,119
I want her and stuff. So and then the only

581
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,960
other time we got fists. Tonight was the more marriage counseling,

582
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,759
which we could see any counseling, We just saw the

583
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,680
the fight beforehand, and.

584
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, we saw that they're clearly not sharing everything with

585
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,880
the counselor and still just hashing it out in the

586
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,440
quiet moments between themselves.

587
00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:00,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, very unproductively.

588
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough. It reminds me a lot of you

589
00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:06,599
Season three when Joe and Love went to go get therapy,

590
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,359
but they're serial killers, so they have to like talk

591
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,319
around what their real problems are, and that's what this

592
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,119
kind of is. And she did, like at least try

593
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,799
to do an all branch because he kind of said like,

594
00:25:16,839 --> 00:25:18,359
oh well, that's just you know, like we shouldn't be

595
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,680
doing right. They had dinner together breakfast, like shouldn't be

596
00:25:20,759 --> 00:25:23,400
doing this. I'm on the better things, and she said,

597
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,119
like the way she did handle it was like getting

598
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,200
someone just give some money to that other group that was,

599
00:25:28,319 --> 00:25:31,160
you know, doing bad things. So I think she's trying

600
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,720
to show that, Okay, maybe I'll do things your way.

601
00:25:33,799 --> 00:25:35,440
Don't know if that's gonna last. I don't know if

602
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,640
that's a ploy or she is actually trying. We got

603
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,759
British Wesley, you know, making that meeting happen.

604
00:25:42,039 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: Buck Anderson, where the hell his name was? All to

605
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,640
pull it up? Buck Anderson, He's got a cool name.

606
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:51,720
I remember that. I feel like, like did she tell

607
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:53,440
him though that that happened? Like I feel like that

608
00:25:53,519 --> 00:25:55,920
was completely behind Kingpin's back, and then he caught wind

609
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,319
of it, and then I thought, well, well, he's like,

610
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:01,559
he's like, what's going going on? Essentially, and she's like, well,

611
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,720
I made them off for one point eight million. That

612
00:26:03,799 --> 00:26:05,920
means that, like she had this whole plant, like she's

613
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:09,680
still doing criminal activity even though he like basically told

614
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,319
her to like put a pin in it, like we're

615
00:26:11,319 --> 00:26:13,839
done for this until I doing my mayor thing. And

616
00:26:14,079 --> 00:26:16,079
I think that's gonna be the driving wedge between them

617
00:26:16,079 --> 00:26:20,240
the whole way. Like she's already stressing that like paraphrase,

618
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:22,359
but she's basically getting nancy, like she just wants to

619
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,599
do things. She can't just let it fester on its own, right,

620
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,720
Like she has to do something. She can't see the

621
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:29,640
whole business just go to ship and just stand by

622
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,400
and like, oh, I respect that, you know the classic

623
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,160
thing Kingpin voice there, But I think that is going

624
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,200
to be the main driving force between the two of them,

625
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,440
and I think eventually she's just gonna be like, I

626
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:43,480
don't have to wait around for you at all, and

627
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,640
then that'll be like her basically I don't know, just

628
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:54,839
fucking taking a shotgun to a Kingpin's head, you know, Yeah.

629
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,279
Speaker 4: He's got more muscle mass than he than he used

630
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:56,680
to a.

631
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 1: New middle place in my head. Have you heard of anamagium?

632
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 3: Yeah?

633
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,759
Speaker 4: I feel like we got a lot more of the

634
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,319
frustrated side of Kingpin this week, obviously with the news

635
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,599
report thing and then and the kind of assumed frustraightedness

636
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,759
which leads to the hit, but then also with the

637
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:15,640
Vanessa stuff. You know, he's yeah, she's trying like a

638
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,559
little bit, and then he's just like, ah, we need

639
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,400
chaos because chaos.

640
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 3: Turns into order.

641
00:27:20,039 --> 00:27:22,599
Speaker 4: It's like just the most word salad like nonsense, which

642
00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:25,160
you know, guys like this always just spewing out random

643
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,400
shit that makes no sense, and she was just not

644
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,640
having any of it. So I thought, I really liked

645
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,480
that combo. I wish we got like a bit more

646
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:33,759
of that dynamic this week, but you know, a little

647
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:35,160
bit we did get was was interesting.

648
00:27:35,599 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: He did say that Chaos has to rain, which is

649
00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:40,480
a shout out to the storyline where he did become

650
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,039
mayor it's called uh. I think it's like Devil's Rain

651
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,279
or Chaos Ran something like that. So there's some kind

652
00:27:45,319 --> 00:27:48,720
of tributing to the com books or something. So maybe

653
00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:50,960
that's why some that words that happened. But that's what

654
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:54,920
I'm just trying to figure out because it's just so funny, right,

655
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,319
because I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but I

656
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,960
did think we might wait a little bit longer till

657
00:28:00,039 --> 00:28:02,839
fisks started doing this stuff because I thought the whole

658
00:28:02,839 --> 00:28:06,559
poll was gonna be fiscus, whether like he's actively trying

659
00:28:06,559 --> 00:28:08,119
to do it or pretending to. He's gonna be doing

660
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,799
good stuff and Vanessa's not, and that's the friction, right,

661
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,480
But how long can he be mad or gonna be

662
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,000
friction if she's like, well, you know, I want to

663
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:17,039
do things this way and he is on the side

664
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,359
doing same things, like the dirty way. So that's what

665
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,759
it's like. I don't know if I haven't decided if

666
00:28:21,759 --> 00:28:23,839
that's gonna drive them apart or actually wonder if that's

667
00:28:23,839 --> 00:28:27,039
gonna bring them back together now because he it's just

668
00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:30,599
gonna be like she's he's gonna be back, and she's

669
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,920
gonna reaccept Like it's gonna be that that's the Fisk

670
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,920
that she loves, right, like when she finds out, like

671
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,960
I thought, like at first it might be a betrayal,

672
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,599
but I'm wondering now if that might bring them closer together.

673
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:42,200
And I could see the end of the season at

674
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,480
the therapist being like, oh, you guys made such good progress,

675
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,839
and it's really just because like Fisk is a fucking

676
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:50,960
psychopath again, right, so before I thought, because Fisk is

677
00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:54,839
already committing criminal acts, it's like, what's the drama there?

678
00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:56,519
Then he has no reason to call her out. Now

679
00:28:56,519 --> 00:28:58,480
this is two weeks in a row. Last week, now

680
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,039
I was bad a little blackmail. I'm sure politicians do

681
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:03,279
that all the time, right, I'm sure some politicians have

682
00:29:03,319 --> 00:29:08,079
also done their few hits in there. But I'm gonna hope, yeah, yeah,

683
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,079
not as hope common as I hope. So I feel

684
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:13,480
like there can't be any drama in like week five

685
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:15,759
because he's gonna commit more crimes, and why can he

686
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:17,759
be mad at Vanessa? You know she's doing the same

687
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:18,240
thing he is.

688
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, almost halfway through the season, so yeah, keep going.

689
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,079
I don't know if it's just like the way that

690
00:29:24,119 --> 00:29:26,400
they're writing those two characters this season, but they just

691
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,240
feel so different than they did in the earlier Daredevil show,

692
00:29:30,279 --> 00:29:32,480
where like, I mean, I didn't like it, but like

693
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:34,440
Fisk was just head over heels with Vanessa, like that

694
00:29:34,519 --> 00:29:38,279
was just his kryptonite, Like he would just whatever she said, whatever,

695
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:40,880
Like he's just dropping everything for it. So I am

696
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:43,680
liking this shift and because it, Like again, I don't

697
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,359
know if it's just the way that they're writing the characters,

698
00:29:45,359 --> 00:29:47,759
but to me, it feels like this is a completely

699
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:51,200
different type of dynamic, and Fisk isn't just you know,

700
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,440
rose tinted glasses when it comes to Vanessa, like like

701
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,200
I feel like he like I'm Kingpin and like my

702
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,160
word is law and if you don't listen to me,

703
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,880
like you're not on my team, even though it is Vanessa,

704
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,240
it is my glorious Vanessa whatever, whatever the hell he

705
00:30:04,319 --> 00:30:07,039
calls her. I still think there is gonna be a

706
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:09,799
diversion of those two characters, and whether it's Kingpin want

707
00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:11,880
to do it his own way, maybe it's Vanessa thinking

708
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,400
that she can do better than Kingpin, or if they

709
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,599
just are actually clashing and they just you know, they

710
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,039
they got dry spell or not.

711
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:20,359
Speaker 2: They're not hitting the sheets anymore, whatever it is. They're

712
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:20,839
they're just.

713
00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:22,799
Speaker 1: Gonna find an Adam's dead body locked.

714
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,039
Speaker 3: Up in a freezer, you know, yeah, bloody knuckles or.

715
00:30:26,359 --> 00:30:29,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I love that transition. They showed his bloody

716
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,960
knuckles while he was eating breakfast and they like the

717
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:35,880
next scene was a Matt's bloody's knuckle, like wiping them

718
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:37,640
off and stuff like that. So kind of again showing

719
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,759
all their both on this uh, both on this wavelength

720
00:30:40,799 --> 00:30:42,880
to turn but don't worry you. Then, do you think

721
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,160
this is gonna cause for a collision course or bring

722
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,599
them together? Fists starting to do some more criminal stuff,

723
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,119
and Vanessa like saying, oh yeah, like maybe she's not

724
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,920
killing people, but she's still like dealing with the alls, right,

725
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,759
like she's paying them all, so she's taking like a better,

726
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,359
maybe safer method, but like you know, in some episode

727
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,759
she's gonna have somebody killed. So by the end of

728
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:02,640
the season, do you think they're separated? Do you think

729
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,599
one of them's dead? Obviously her, I don't think they're

730
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,759
killing Donofrio off or are they together again? Where are

731
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:08,279
you right now?

732
00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they'd stay together, but I think it's

733
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,160
just gonna get like progressively more and more toxic.

734
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:15,599
Speaker 3: It would be, would be my guess.

735
00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 4: And I think it'll be a fun dynamic because I

736
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,839
feel like they're gonna get They're gonna hate each other

737
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,039
more and more and like deviate more and more, but

738
00:31:21,119 --> 00:31:23,559
then like they're gonna have these council meetings still like

739
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:25,839
through the season, and then that they're still gonna be

740
00:31:25,839 --> 00:31:27,599
like keeping it peachy clean. Maybe they'll have a couple

741
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:30,839
breaks in there where they where they actually have a

742
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,279
little bit of spite in their conversations there. But I

743
00:31:33,319 --> 00:31:35,119
think that dynamic could be really fun. I guess it

744
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,839
also depends like how much is Fisk in this season

745
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:42,359
really gonna get dirty? You know, how many more bloody

746
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,119
knuckles are we actually gonna get? Or is it just

747
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,440
like now he has more power than maybe he's ever had,

748
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,160
Although does he have more access now than he did before?

749
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,000
It's kind of hard to say, but I guess to

750
00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:54,240
some extent he kind of does. So how much is

751
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,039
it gonna be just like him getting other people to

752
00:31:56,079 --> 00:31:57,759
do the dirty work and then like she doesn't even

753
00:31:57,839 --> 00:31:59,880
really know to the extent of the stuff he's doing.

754
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:04,000
Uh So I don't know. I think I'm I'm unsure.

755
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,640
And this one's tricky for me too, Like this is

756
00:32:06,279 --> 00:32:09,279
a dynamic I don't remember as well as obviously you

757
00:32:09,319 --> 00:32:11,319
guys who have watched the show again recently are watched

758
00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:13,519
it multiple times, and so it's hard for me, you know, Kirk,

759
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:15,559
when you're talking about how different some of these dynamics

760
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:18,000
are from the original seasons, Like you know, in my

761
00:32:18,119 --> 00:32:20,920
foggy memory, it all kind of like connects together. But

762
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,079
It's been so long since I've revisited that stuff, so

763
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:25,720
it's seeming consistent to me. But yeah, I'm a little

764
00:32:26,279 --> 00:32:27,480
a little out of the out of the ball game

765
00:32:27,559 --> 00:32:27,839
a bit.

766
00:32:28,359 --> 00:32:30,359
Speaker 1: Yeah for me because he's tough because I think the

767
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,759
way they act and still talk to each other work.

768
00:32:32,839 --> 00:32:35,279
But it's also tough because this is five years later.

769
00:32:35,599 --> 00:32:37,680
Right in the in the show was Cannon and like

770
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,119
they did this whole storyline where he was Shaw and

771
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,160
just left her and stuff, so you could see why

772
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:45,039
she is mad, because again I don't understand why he

773
00:32:45,039 --> 00:32:46,960
didn't just even send her a text. I still would

774
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,599
like more. I'm hoping that gets I don't think he's

775
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:53,640
a big text HER's a big phone caller though, at

776
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:54,400
least like he did.

777
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,519
Speaker 3: I think he's a big phone caller.

778
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: He got sewn the eye and on the ear, he

779
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,279
can still hear or the voice, you know, he can

780
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:03,759
still speaks. So no, well we'll see there. But yeah,

781
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:05,839
I guess too. Like for me, it's just a question. Obviously,

782
00:33:05,839 --> 00:33:07,559
it's nothing I like need to know, but it is

783
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,519
just he's still may or comes season two. I hope so,

784
00:33:10,839 --> 00:33:12,519
because like I said, I don't want another season where

785
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:14,839
he just gets beat. So I wonder if this is

786
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,960
more you know, Matt gets become Daredevil, but Fisk isn't

787
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,440
really king Pin Kingpin again until like the last episode.

788
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:24,559
Maybe he decides okay, because that would be kind of

789
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:27,720
a good way to divert Hey, why is Kingpin not

790
00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:30,519
going after Matt this season right now? Maybe he doesn't

791
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:32,640
really know about Matt being back until the end, and

792
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,160
that kind of sets up season two. Okay, Matt does

793
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,400
whatever's going on with Punisher, he does whatever it's going

794
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,519
on with the other villain that's coming soon, and then.

795
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,039
Speaker 4: Well I think he's already super pissed at him for

796
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:42,759
just winning that case, right.

797
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, yeah, but it's still he didn't bring his word, right,

798
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,319
He's not he's not dressed up as a devil right now,

799
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:50,480
so it's still still okay, he's still defendant everything.

800
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:56,039
Speaker 4: I don't think Kingpin's very forgiving guy.

801
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he forgave and Adam and whatever. And I'm wondering

802
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,279
too if that gonna be a situation where maybe they

803
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:03,559
do get back on the wavelength, but she finds out

804
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:05,839
they lied to her about the Adam thing, and that's like,

805
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,680
you know, they get close, and then how can I

806
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,280
ever trust you? Like again, I think if they break apart,

807
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,440
I think there's a good chance Fisk is the one

808
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,880
that actually kill Vanessa, which would be.

809
00:34:16,039 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 2: In your style, yeah, kind of Oh my god, I

810
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,039
think more bloody knuckles.

811
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,039
Speaker 1: I think I said that last week, Like what's more

812
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,719
scary than a Kingpin that has no Vanessa, no like

813
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,000
nothing holding him back anymore. Right, And if he kills

814
00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:31,119
this woman who was like the love of life, I

815
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:32,559
don't know what he'd do. I don't know if he

816
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:34,880
would do it, but it's just I don't know. It's

817
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,360
gonna be interesting. But anything else before we talk about

818
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:39,559
the alleyway of Man.

819
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 2: I got two things. First of all, British Wesley buck

820
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,079
Cashman is his name, but that was pretty close. It

821
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:48,440
is very porn star name.

822
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:49,039
Speaker 3: I like it.

823
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,039
Speaker 2: And the second thing something that I really didn't catch

824
00:34:53,079 --> 00:34:55,880
on to you at first, but this episode specifically when

825
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,360
he was talking I think it was when he's talking

826
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,719
to BB or maybe beforehand, when Kingpin is like getting

827
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,480
the new is about the case and he's just like

828
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:06,880
tripling down on this like anti vigilanteism and just just

829
00:35:07,039 --> 00:35:09,519
people wearing masks and all these things, and I just

830
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:13,320
couldn't help but like appreciate like the hypocrisy in that,

831
00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:15,920
in that sense of like Kingpin is all about just

832
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,159
being like clean on the surface and like basically being

833
00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:21,840
a completely different person, you know, like when he's not

834
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,760
behind the camera, like he's literally he just killed Hector

835
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,960
by like making a call and like all the and

836
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,320
like who knows, maybe he's a driving factor on these

837
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,760
the triggered Punisher cops, Like like who knows, Like it

838
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,840
just seems like he always has plans and for me,

839
00:35:36,159 --> 00:35:38,920
just what I've known about the character lack thereof, but

840
00:35:39,119 --> 00:35:41,840
potentially just maybe what I've gone through with Daredevil is

841
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,199
he's all about just being two faced in the sense

842
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,079
of like, yeah, he's clean and like respectful and like

843
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:49,840
a like a clean businessman, and then behind the scenes

844
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,840
like he's killing people with car doors and just being

845
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:52,719
your people.

846
00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:54,679
Speaker 1: He's the one you weren't allowed to say his name,

847
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,679
remember wils So he's done all this before, but and

848
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,199
then here.

849
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: He's just getting like so enraged by the idea of

850
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,920
like people hiding behind Max. I'm like, man, like, this

851
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,960
is literally who you are. So I'm I'm just excited

852
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,840
to see those cracks. I think they're just gonna keep

853
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,920
revealing throughout the show, like anytime that Matt just keeps

854
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,880
pissing them off. I mean King Pinkin has the upper

855
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,960
hand right now. Matt went all out on this Hector case.

856
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: And see Kingpin, he's always just.

857
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 3: He's just like hiding under his hat.

858
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: Don't bring that outfit fact please o more. But no,

859
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:33,280
I did, like to you when he's talking with Bob

860
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,280
and they're like, oh, well you know justice to be

861
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,920
served BB, He's like, well they've you know, they found

862
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,920
him on guilty. He's like, well, I know more than

863
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,119
anybody about how the jury can get wrong and then

864
00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:44,719
he's son of a bitch. It's not the same situation

865
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,239
he's trying to say the two times he's been convicted,

866
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,639
like he was wrongly convicted. It's like, I don't know, man,

867
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:52,800
you have a slet little bodies behind you and stuff,

868
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,719
and it's great, Like that makes the character great, right.

869
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:57,320
He thinks he's better for whatever reason. It's very much

870
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,119
like a Lex Luthor Superman thing, the same way of

871
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,280
like LEXI cause he's a better person because he's gonna

872
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,440
murder Superman, like oh, I'm gonna protect protect Metropolis by

873
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:08,159
murdering the hero because he's an alien. I just don't

874
00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:10,159
trust him because he's not from our planet, which again

875
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,599
we have feel like that in real life, right, just

876
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:14,159
because they're not from a country a place like well,

877
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,159
I can't trust him because they're not from America, not

878
00:37:16,159 --> 00:37:21,159
from Canada. Sorry, it doesn't matter. So yeah, uh so, yeah,

879
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:21,440
I was.

880
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 3: Gonna check out a review of Mickey seventeen.

881
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: Yes exactly, Yeah, something's in there. So uh but yeah,

882
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,639
as we talked about, Hector is getting ready, which was

883
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,199
interesting because Matt did tell him, hey, you can have

884
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,119
the suit and night one. He's already getting the suit.

885
00:37:34,199 --> 00:37:36,639
Speaker 2: So Hector was not gonna buy shot him. It's like,

886
00:37:36,639 --> 00:37:37,519
I fucking warned you.

887
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: He's just the next episode. I can't keep getting dude,

888
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:53,400
I did it. It's just like a complete.

889
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:51,559
Speaker 3: His terrifyer suit.

890
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: I never want this, But imagine that's the big flip

891
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,639
of the season. That's how Pinisher comes back. He's like

892
00:37:56,639 --> 00:37:58,639
the hero of the story because like Matt's gone too

893
00:37:58,679 --> 00:37:59,880
far and he has to take him.

894
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,639
Speaker 3: That's Pinion.

895
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it'd be great. But uh, anyways, so yeah,

896
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:08,360
Hector's out there. He hears something going on. He's again

897
00:38:08,559 --> 00:38:10,360
like they could have put my boy on a rooftop

898
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,400
or anything. He's just like in an alley and he's

899
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:15,159
hearing like the screaming. Like it's just like he looks cool.

900
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:17,280
But where they put him is like just like they

901
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,079
have him around a wall or something. But he's just

902
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,760
he's walking around New York dressed out. He's no baton

903
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,079
to fly, he's an ambulance. Doesn't say the powers. I

904
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:25,639
couldn't he even super jump. I don't know. We're on

905
00:38:25,679 --> 00:38:28,639
Disney Plus now. But anyways, so he's walking out and

906
00:38:28,679 --> 00:38:31,119
then yeah, just some dude walks in the frame shoots him,

907
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:34,400
walks off. But then as it's closer, light's revealing it's

908
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,360
a body of somebody I'm assuming a man trench coat,

909
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:39,559
and that trench coat flies open a little bit and

910
00:38:39,559 --> 00:38:42,559
it's the Punisher logo. So why do you think Frank

911
00:38:42,599 --> 00:38:48,480
Castle killed this man?

912
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:54,079
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, describe to that theory. I mean I was,

913
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,320
I was just getting excited by seeing the logo more

914
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,960
and then me thinking, okay, yeah, Frank's getting closer. The

915
00:39:00,039 --> 00:39:02,159
more we see this logo. Even though this isn't Frank,

916
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:06,199
you know, wearing the logo, it's drawing attention. It's like

917
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,119
Batman started Dark Night. You know. The guy's wearing hockey

918
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:11,559
pads like he's gonna be showing up when people are

919
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:14,199
dressed like him. So I'm just I'm so excited for

920
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:19,920
that eventual appearance, very excited.

921
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: It's not Frank under there, do you think so different?

922
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:25,199
Speaker 3: Build?

923
00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's he's you know what, he's a murderer.

924
00:39:29,679 --> 00:39:31,679
Speaker 4: I'm sure's another one hide in a bush and then

925
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:33,039
sneak out and headsh on someone.

926
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,079
Speaker 1: He's running that you like, get out, run stop.

927
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 3: And we didn't hear it.

928
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 4: He would have done a guttural scream he would have

929
00:39:39,519 --> 00:39:42,000
done one of those he pulled.

930
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 2: Like a green goblin and Spider Man won. Remember when

931
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,840
he's like whining like a like a woman and then

932
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,920
the burning building.

933
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I what I'm wondering here is because obviously,

934
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,920
I imagine Fisk knows they're dirty cops, probably just puts

935
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,480
in a call, hey favor. Maybe when he's going back

936
00:40:03,519 --> 00:40:05,280
and forth that commission, he met some cops there on

937
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:09,719
the side. I'm wondering, is it just the cops still

938
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,639
doing their thing and they're because they do this in

939
00:40:11,679 --> 00:40:13,800
the Calm books, they start wearing punisherr vests, So if

940
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,280
it's just to them, think because they feel emboldened by

941
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,800
the Punisher. What I don't think it is, But what

942
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,800
I would love it to be is Fisk trying to

943
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,440
frame the Punisher like he did similar to season two

944
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,360
where he let him out to kill the other mob bosses.

945
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:27,280
I would love it if they're like, because we talked

946
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,400
about the Albi right, the public might be a little confused,

947
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,320
but if they start putting out like, oh, Frank Castle,

948
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,440
like he the Punishers, the man killed the White Tiger,

949
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:39,360
Frank Castle, who's been like in this show, put out

950
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:43,000
in the modern like media that this guy's a fucking psychopath,

951
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:45,079
like he's crazy, right, even though we know Frank as

952
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:48,320
a code. I think Fisk, who's now Mayor, could spin

953
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,880
that to like, oh yeah, like Punishers the one that

954
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:52,119
did that. And I got to because you know, we

955
00:40:52,159 --> 00:40:54,480
mentioned Punisher last week right with the guy and the

956
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,159
skull vest or whatever. So I would like to see

957
00:40:57,159 --> 00:40:59,239
that tie back again because I mentioned last week and

958
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,960
the predictions we talked about the Punisher special. I just

959
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,079
want Fisk and Punisher to interact once again. I want

960
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:07,239
that to be that thread from season two that Frank

961
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,840
just said, hey, when I see you like I'm coming

962
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,880
for you. I would love if that's what gets Frank out,

963
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,079
which again I don't like that Frank's retired. I know

964
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:16,599
he's like anytime John birth On has long hair, that

965
00:41:16,639 --> 00:41:19,440
means Punisher's not doing it. So why did he retire?

966
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,199
I don't know. But here we are, so I'm wondering

967
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:25,119
if it's just the cops or if it's Fist be like, hey,

968
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:27,400
when you kill that, cause like we said, though there's

969
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,719
no like maybe I guess we could might see a camera.

970
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,480
I guess right, they might show a camera after and

971
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,119
show like the Punisher logo because somehow this has to

972
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:36,920
get up to the public that there's a logo being

973
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,519
worn I imagine, right, because the times we just see.

974
00:41:40,199 --> 00:41:42,599
Speaker 4: But yeah, I guess that's what I was gonna ask,

975
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:45,280
is like, are are the Punisher logos on all the

976
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,559
cops hidden? Like if that's not my guy's.

977
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:50,119
Speaker 1: Neck, like that kind of not hidden.

978
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:51,639
Speaker 3: That's that's what I mean.

979
00:41:51,679 --> 00:41:54,639
Speaker 4: Like, so they ideal, Like, I think your theory makes sense,

980
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:56,760
but then I'm also a little confused of if he

981
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,000
goes to frame Punisher, but then like all the cops

982
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:02,599
in his in it, working in his precinct are like

983
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,039
rocking that same logo. It's like, I don't know if

984
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:06,760
the messaging there makes a whole lot of sense.

985
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: But then why did he say that last week though?

986
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:11,800
Right because he said he's going after Daredevil, Spider Man, PUNISHERR.

987
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:12,559
Like he didn't drop the name.

988
00:42:12,639 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess, you know, yeah, I guess we still

989
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,239
have don't really have a great idea of how in

990
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:23,159
Unison Fisk and like the current cops are. I guess,

991
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:25,519
so like maybe that's kind of like split factions within

992
00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:28,360
each other, and then it leads to this really complicated

993
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,000
web of dynamics there.

994
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,039
Speaker 2: Like the main tie that makes me think he is

995
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:37,840
involved with it is just he seemed like, well, you know,

996
00:42:38,039 --> 00:42:40,719
the judge or the jury didn't get it right, and

997
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:42,960
the next thing like he just gets killed. And it's like,

998
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,559
I don't know, I just feel like someone like Kingpin

999
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:48,239
would be someone that's making these ties, and he just

1000
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,159
seemed very attached to the case, which was pretty much

1001
00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:56,280
all around these cops being you know like basically I

1002
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,320
don't know my legal turns, but I think it's acquidted

1003
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,000
of all charges. I guess they weren't even the ones

1004
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:03,800
on trial. It's mostly just it was just hector really

1005
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:04,440
like they weren't.

1006
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, none of the cops were on trial. They they

1007
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,800
had to speak. They were witnesses or defendants, not defendants.

1008
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,519
Speaker 2: But it's like they're tying up loose ends. That was

1009
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:13,480
like the mean point of from the cops perspective, and

1010
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,679
it seemed like from what was shown, I believe Kingpin

1011
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:20,360
has reasons to be supporting the police in that sense.

1012
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,559
And maybe it's just a control thing, right because he

1013
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:25,480
is the mayor, and uh, you know, if he's got

1014
00:43:25,519 --> 00:43:29,639
his own special task force of of the terrifier type

1015
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:30,960
cops or trigger cops.

1016
00:43:32,199 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: But yeah, the trigger to the trigger force. But I

1017
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,840
guess that's even my mistake though, because I talked about

1018
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,000
like matter of fact, when the stepsod started, they could

1019
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:41,440
just be using that as a red herring, editing wise, right,

1020
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,400
because that could just be cops, because the cops now

1021
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,320
know where he lives, very easy to locate him, and

1022
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,519
the cops were pissed that he got acquitted. He could

1023
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:50,280
easy just like it could just be a cop thing,

1024
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,039
and they're trying to make us think Fist put a

1025
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,800
hit out on this guy. So I guess I didn't

1026
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:55,559
eve take it very well.

1027
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 3: Could just be a dirty cop for sure, Yeah.

1028
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:58,679
Speaker 1: Because I thought for sure it could.

1029
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 4: Even be did it, But it could even be not

1030
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,880
necessarily that they were given an order by Fisk, but

1031
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:07,119
just like they want to be liked by Fisk and

1032
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:08,960
improved by him, and they think that's what he would

1033
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,360
want them to do, just based off like once again,

1034
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,079
what you're saying, because he said that statement publicly, right,

1035
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:15,840
So they, I don't know, maybe would agree with that

1036
00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:16,360
to some extent.

1037
00:44:16,679 --> 00:44:18,519
Speaker 1: I wonder next week if that's how we get another

1038
00:44:18,599 --> 00:44:21,760
Fisk Matt scene. If Matt might think that that it

1039
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:23,960
is Fisk, and that's he goes to confront him, and

1040
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,559
maybe that could be a tell because remember he can

1041
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:27,920
tell people are lying, So maybe he does that and

1042
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,960
he listens to Fisk's heart and he's not lying, and

1043
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,440
that's like, fuck, if it's not Fisk, then.

1044
00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 3: They're just back in the diner for another every every week.

1045
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 4: Just let's do this more often every Sunday, yeah, after church,

1046
00:44:39,559 --> 00:44:39,960
lets me know.

1047
00:44:40,559 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: But no, my last point with the Punisher Vesu's just

1048
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,039
I'm very excited because I did not think we'd be

1049
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,639
getting it this early, because I thought Punish me in

1050
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,159
two maybe three episodes would like an end credit, but

1051
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,800
I thought it'd be more. I know, we don't got

1052
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,840
him yet, but I thought even like this type of

1053
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,800
illusion would be five six, Like I thought, Matt probably

1054
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:02,280
would been back in caution before we even got illusions

1055
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,119
of like he's coming. And obviously this could never happen

1056
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:07,800
they announced, especially before. But man, can't you imagine the

1057
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,880
world where we didn't know John Bertha was coming back

1058
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,960
and that's how this episode ended. Now, I guess the

1059
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,199
tattoos would have gave it away, but just imagine that

1060
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,719
of like, oh, they're gonna do it, and just that

1061
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,199
thing like holy ship, like they're going there. But uh,

1062
00:45:18,679 --> 00:45:20,199
do we see him next week or no? Is this

1063
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:20,920
just a tease?

1064
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:22,800
Speaker 3: Hmmm?

1065
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think what was like the was there

1066
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,280
what was the cliffhanger of last week? What was there

1067
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,159
a specific cliffinger you.

1068
00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 2: Fought the cops and then snap both their necks and

1069
00:45:31,519 --> 00:45:31,960
in there.

1070
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,079
Speaker 4: And yeah, and so that wasn't really I feel like

1071
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:37,719
we didn't really get the direct resolution of that necessarily

1072
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:39,239
in terms of Cliff Hangary.

1073
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: Confront him in the bathroom right a little bit.

1074
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,880
Speaker 2: Which I was a hularious interaction. It's like, is he

1075
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:47,400
gonna fucking beat up this blind dude at the courthouse?

1076
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,239
Like yeah, it's just such a like, man, I don't know,

1077
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,920
I was, I forgot about that. Just kick his ass again.

1078
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,039
Speaker 1: That's That's always the play Matt has his real life.

1079
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:01,559
Is it's like the find in the Daredevil movie when

1080
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:03,760
Kingpin's like, I'm gonna tell everything about He's like, yeah,

1081
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,760
go ahead, tell him the blind lord from Hell's Kitchen

1082
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,679
beat you up, and the King's like, I'm not gonna

1083
00:46:07,679 --> 00:46:09,800
say anything like that. Is that is the great thing

1084
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,480
about his like secret identity as Matt Murdock is he's

1085
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:14,840
not really even when he's on that date with his

1086
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,559
girlfriend at the end of the episode, it's like he's like

1087
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:18,920
reaching around, he's getting a hold souff. It's like this

1088
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,400
guy's doing fucking triple back flips and fighting bulls, like

1089
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,440
he's like doing everything, but he's liked, you do you

1090
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,239
know where the assault is? It's like, you fucking am bastard.

1091
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:28,519
You're such a liar.

1092
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:32,639
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't think we will see him next week.

1093
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:36,400
I think that is a good old classic cliffhanger leading

1094
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,159
into it. But I feel like it'll take Frank more

1095
00:46:38,199 --> 00:46:41,400
time to get geared up, you know, like this just happened.

1096
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,920
I think next well, we're gonna get the fallout of

1097
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,800
what's happening here from Matt's perspective, and then I don't

1098
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,280
I don't know where Punisher is, Like is he just

1099
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:48,000
chilling in New York?

1100
00:46:48,039 --> 00:46:50,760
Speaker 3: If so, maybe that's like against high somewhere.

1101
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think it'll it'll take some time for

1102
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,599
him to come out. But even thinking back to like Sheeholk,

1103
00:46:55,639 --> 00:46:57,719
even though it's like different showrunners and writers, I think,

1104
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,840
but like when we first got the hint of Dared,

1105
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:01,760
like the I think the mask was the first thing

1106
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,440
we saw, right, and then I feel like we didn't

1107
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,039
actually see him for like another couple episodes after.

1108
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: That, right, Yeah, the only thing I think we could

1109
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,199
see a Frank next week is a similar ending to this,

1110
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,760
but it's just like the last twenty thirty seconds where

1111
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,800
you see actually see John Werthnall and that's it because

1112
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,679
I guess my only thing, yeah, my only last note

1113
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,880
is maybe they do have some surveillance and I'll see

1114
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,599
like Matt doesn't see if but someone tells him, like

1115
00:47:25,639 --> 00:47:28,960
someone with the Punisher skull shot him, and if Matt

1116
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,079
finds out, it's not fas like the next episode could

1117
00:47:31,079 --> 00:47:32,559
just be Matt trying to figure out who did it.

1118
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,320
And even if he doesn't think Frank one hundredercent it,

1119
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,320
he still wants to go talk to him. So I

1120
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,519
could see it like trying to locate like where has

1121
00:47:39,559 --> 00:47:42,480
Frank Castle been? Where is he? So I could see

1122
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,599
that situation because then, yeah, if we get the episode

1123
00:47:44,679 --> 00:47:46,639
even four next week, that is like the halfway mark,

1124
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,840
kind of like half halfway. So but yeah, I'm very

1125
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:51,400
excited for that conversation.

1126
00:47:51,639 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 3: Do you guess the next week.

1127
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,519
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think, because did we have we seen

1128
00:47:55,559 --> 00:47:57,159
him in a trailer or do we just know he's

1129
00:47:57,159 --> 00:47:59,119
in it because it's been announced, Like was he wearing

1130
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:00,119
the Punisher.

1131
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,280
Speaker 3: Suit in that? No, he has the like do you

1132
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:03,320
think he'll even wear that?

1133
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:05,800
Speaker 4: Or do you think that that logo and stuff is

1134
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,840
tainted now that he won't want to associate with it.

1135
00:48:08,199 --> 00:48:10,159
Speaker 1: No, he's gonna take it back. I think it's gonna

1136
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:12,440
be very similar Season one, where he has the long

1137
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,360
hair and the beard and for some reason he's not

1138
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:18,159
doing it. Red's gonna tell him what's going on, and

1139
00:48:18,199 --> 00:48:20,559
he's gonna be like, I'll handle it, and Frank's I'll

1140
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:21,920
let you handle it, and then he's gonna have time to

1141
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,719
stew on it. He's like, no, fuck that, and he's

1142
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:26,159
gonna every time Punisher has to be the Punisher. He

1143
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,840
always shades, he always has the punish your hair, and

1144
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,280
then he's gonna show. I think he's gonna like reclaim,

1145
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,119
he's gonna take it back the logo just because like

1146
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,760
I think they want to rip and stuff. All the

1147
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,480
tattoos just cut him off. Triggered now I love I

1148
00:48:42,519 --> 00:48:44,320
can't wait till you burn it off or something that'd

1149
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:46,519
be pretty sweet, you know. Yeah, I can't wait till

1150
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,320
you watch season one, until you and tear Punisher because

1151
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,920
birth All is so good and he's such just a

1152
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,239
distic bastard. And I hope, uh, I hope they bring

1153
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:54,880
the heat there. He said that this week on the special,

1154
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,559
he said that it's not gonna be punish your Light.

1155
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:58,719
He said they're gonna go real hard on it. So

1156
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:03,559
I'm excited for that. Cite for next week episode four.

1157
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,599
Maybe Taylor will be back. He was a little under

1158
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:07,280
the weather, so we set up this time. But yeah,

1159
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:08,880
we'll be back. Let us know, and that we got

1160
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,719
the discord, we got a Dare Devil channel. To any

1161
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:12,719
theories anything like that. I know. I'm not going to

1162
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,000
talk about this episode, but maybe near the end. I've

1163
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,039
seen lots of Peel theory crafting how Foggy's alive because

1164
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,239
there's the address for their law firm in the past,

1165
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,599
like the Murdoch Page Nelson thing. It had the same

1166
00:49:25,679 --> 00:49:28,000
address of an issue called The Secret Life of Foggy

1167
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,719
Nelson where his death was faked and he became an informant,

1168
00:49:31,159 --> 00:49:32,320
so maybe we'll talk to the.

1169
00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 3: Dead man when I saw him on the street, so

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that he was.

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Speaker 1: In the comics and then all of a sudden he

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was working for the FBI. So that's a popular theory

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about me. I'll wait till tater'sack, or I'll wait till

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an episode that's like maybe we have nothing to talk about,

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and then I'll bring it up there. So, like I said,

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theories like that, anything, throw him up there. Thank you

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very much for listening. When you hear from us next

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week or until then, I'll not be boring.

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Speaker 2: Hi