Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and chim and welcome back to Daredevil Born Again.
This is episode three. I'm the Man who wears indoor
sunglasses trest now, and I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I Am the hollow Hand of God Kirkland Patzer.
Speaker 3: I am not the Mayor, I'm the man, Dylan Muss.
Speaker 1: That's good. Yeah, you guys are in a role I
have not been able to like both weeks I have.
I have nothing for this show so far. That's not
saying negative about the show. I'm just like, there's nothing
popped in and be like, oh, you know that's that's even
Taylor's that. I gave him a lot of credit for
the Andy thing. He is wrong. The guy's name is Adam.
You know the episode. Yeah, I heard them say to
Marvel Alliance, and I'm like, Okay, they're probably right, but
then there's a chance they're wrong. And then tonight he's
a Adam Like, okay, so we're wrong about that. But yes,
we are back to talk about everyone's favorite devil and
hell kitchen. As we said, probably won't do this promotion
every week, but we have lots of Daredevil. We reviewed
every season Daredevil, me and Dylan. There's retros for Kirkland,
dill Or Kirkland and Taylor reviewing it. I guess you
could still take our predictions cast, but there's lots of
daredel if you ever think, hey, what do we think
about those original episodes? But just promote one more time
because we're near the beginning here. But yeah, mister musk,
what did you think of episode three? Obviously last week
big premiere seven years back. I won't say a contentious review,
but honestly, lots of scuttle butt between us and just
the internet in general about how things are going and stuff.
So how are things going now? In the second week?
Third episode? Yeah?
Speaker 3: You know what funny this episode?
Speaker 4: You know, it was the same length as those first
two episodes, and obviously the last week we had two
episodes to talk about all at once. But this felt
like a twenty minute episode in terms of like how
much happened. It was good stuff, I think it was.
It was a well done episode. There's some crazy things
that happened, even though it's a you know, or only
the third week.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this episode felt really short.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: It's one of those things where we're coming to cast,
I'm like, I don't have any notes. I don't know
how I'll be able to talk about this episode four
because there's really only like one storyline that gets actual
momentum and then just a couple like quick little shots
here there. So yeah, a pretty simple, straightforward episode, but
still a juicy one with some crazy stuff that happens.
Speaker 3: So I enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: You juicing over there, Kirk, I was juicing for this one. Yeah. No,
I think this episode over the last two. I liked
the second episode more than the first, and I like
this episode even more than those those other two, And
which is interesting because, as you just kind of glossed
over there, Dylan, like, I feel like we are focusing
on a specific area of the show right now, even
though in the first two, like we covered more bases.
I still just like the content here. I think it
also helped for me. You know, that first week was
right off the hop off of my My Daredevil retrospective,
Like I just finished season three going into it, so
I think I just felt the most disjointedness between the
two shows. I already aired some of my complaints on
that episode, but this week I didn't really have any
of those thoughts. I was just enjoying this show on
how it is now. I think Charlie Cox is just man.
He's he's just he's the law man, he's the man
of many faces. He's here so good in this role.
And uh yeah, I just was eating up him on
screen here, even the intro, I was a lot more
warmed up to this time around. I feel like the
first week, I'm like, ah, this isn't the original. I
see what they're doing with this the Saint anything close
to the original. But I'm just enjoying the different tone
of the show, but also the different tone of the
theme that goes with the show. And yeah, no, I'm
I'm I'm really really vibing with it. And uh I'm
looking I'm looking optimistic, I think for the rest of
the show. Obviously it's early, but so far, so good
for me.
Speaker 1: Good. I'm excited to talk about it with you guys. Yeah,
I don't know. I don't like falling into the meme
of Tras always being like the Simon col I. This
is my least favorite episode. Everything that Kirkland just said,
like all the openings doing it for me more like
now I watched it like I really miss the old one.
Speaker 4: They're just I finally watched it this week, and it
sucks a waste of time.
Speaker 1: And then there's still just stuff like I can fully
admit I'm still processing stuff like when we have scenes
of Matt with whatever, new Foggy and new Karen bounce
some things around, I'm still kind of bitter. I'm still
just sitting there being like, this isn't working for me.
The same doesn't have the same vibe I do. It
sounds like a bad way to say it, because I
don't want to offend the actors, but I saw a
lot of people comparing them to like this felt like Daredevil,
like CW Daredevil, And that's how these actors feel a
little bit to me. I don't think they're bad actors,
but just feels like there's something missing here. And this
is a tough thing, right. The other show had three
and a half seasons, cunning Daredevil's of you know, connection,
but even season one it felt like, oh, these characters
had a lot of chemistry. They are in it minorly.
They do something with Matt Murdoch that I absolutely, one
hundred percent hated, felt it went against his character and
also just was like this again feels like to me
and especially today we got revealed the creators revealed that
this and last week's episode were supposed to be the
actual premiere. That first episode they shot new stuff, also
new about Foggy and Karen, so this was only supposed
to be eight episodes. This really still feels like to me, like, oh,
it's doing that thing where it's like, oh, this is
Charlie Cox and drenof Reel play these characters, but they're
not the Netflix daredel one. To me, this show acts
like nothing has happened in the past for Matt Murdoch
with everything that they've gone through. But then season one
or sorry, episode one showed us that know that is
the case, like that did happen. So I'll be more
specific in spoilers, but yeah, there's definitely a lot of
things that I have issues with. So we'll go to
an ad break right now and then we'll be right
back and we are back where we want to start.
Speaker 3: I got a Devil in Hell's Kitchen tight It's funny.
Speaker 2: Traus is just mentioning how like we do have the
replacement cast sort of for those Foggy and Karen rolls.
They're not they're not. I guess they're supposed to kind
of replace those characters, but like different different weight factor
in the sense of like Foggy and Karen just had
so much more screen time in the episodes where I
feel like these side characters aren't getting as much, which
I'm happy about. I think they're okay. I don't want
them to replace those charac And this episode, it's a
big court episode, and normally, you know, you would have Karen, Foggy,
and Matt doing it together. But I'm like, just let
Matt cook man. He's so much better than all the
other ones were, and here this episode he was just
he was standing on his own and I was juicing
over all this this court stuff. Here, I feel like
I'm I didn't think I was like a big law
show guy. You know, I watched most of Suits back
in the day, and this episode was bringing me back
to that where I'm like, man, I'm so just interested
in this whole court situation. End of the episode, you know,
we can talk about that when we get there. But
I still feel like the particular court case itself, it
just had a lot of weight to it, whether it
was like the tension on if they're gonna get this
witness there. I didn't love how that played out, but
still it was like really intense in the moment and
just yeah, just just everything around the White Tiger character.
Camar de Las wrote, Reyes, I hope I'm saying that
name right. You know, it's this episode I feel like
just had a lot of like a more emotion for
me just knowing that he's since passed and this is
the last thing I imagine I'll ever get to see him.
And he was just so good for what he was
used for and this episode particular, Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: It's a shame that we didn't like I don't know
how they would have worked it, but now I kind
of would have liked an episode or two where he
was free in New York and we could have saw
some of the adventures or crying fighting always saw. Was
that like stock footage from a like a gas station
fight right where he's ronning around, Like I would I
would liked an opening or one maybe. Then they're talking
about the stories in this episode, like a flashback to
him on a mission saving somebody. It's on a native
just like I'm saying that as a pause of that,
he like you said, it was good, had a lot
of motions, so I wanted more of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, So, yeah, the court stuff was I was
all in on and that's majority of the episode. So
that's probably why it works so well for me.
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Speaker 3: Oh all good? Those are the great reasons to cut
a man off.
Speaker 1: No I.
Speaker 4: I I think that the trial stuff for me was
really well written.
Speaker 2: One.
Speaker 4: It had just like the the classic trial drama of like, oh,
it's it's not looking good for the people that were,
you know, rooting for here, because these people are not
they're lying on the stand. We get all these glare
like the guys looking over at the cops and he's
like intimidated. We're getting coupicle shots of the jury and
like we're seeing how they're feeling about things.
Speaker 3: But I think it it what's.
Speaker 4: Really great about all of the writing here, specifically from
like Matt's perspective, is that we're we're getting like kind
of a double entendre of everything.
Speaker 3: Like he's defending white Tiger.
Speaker 4: Hector Ayala right where he's defending him, but then all
these things he's talking about are also like things he's
feeling about himself.
Speaker 3: Right, So we're talking about how he's like.
Speaker 4: Like eventually how it gets to the point how he
has to bring out the suit and like that's the
only way he can think to win this case at
this point, which is like very symbolic of like, you know,
the only way he sometimes he can get shit done
is by putting on his suit and going out and
like fight some crime. So I like that we kind
of got like that double meaning there. And then also
I think just like the realization of I don't know
what he needs to do in order to overcome against
like some of these forces that are going on in
New York, and I don't know, just like everything he's
talking about with Hector is kind of mirroring how his
feelings are on the world as well, And so I
just thought from that it was really cool and really interesting.
Obviously now that with the ending of the episode, we're
very much set off into like him going full crazy
mode in this next episode, and so I think it
works well that we kind of got this dialogue not
necessarily through him having conversations with other people, but through
just kind of like having this mirrored perspective with this
guy who's now gone in a really unjust way.
Speaker 1: I was gonna We talked about this last week. Two things.
One we come from those cops are not dead, so
there you go, has Yai, you know, just hert I
was so willing to do the pizza bed.
Speaker 2: I'm so glad I didn't do that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're not killing it after he just a
bull's eye. And Two, because Dylan you said you feel
like he's dared Oel, do you feel like he's Daredevil
yet right now? I feel like he's still not. I
feel like he's still he's still.
Speaker 4: H No, he definitely was not in the I mean
he was. He was brushing horn right exactly what he
was brushing that horn. But it's like, where do we
go from now, because like what other side characters, storyline
do we have to deal with, Like we don't like
we we killed a hector at this point, so like
we're going full d D mode because like, I don't
see how he wants to trust the system anymore after
what just happened, right, Like, I don't think we're going
to get a whole lot more courtroom stuff.
Speaker 3: From him at least the next few episodes. I think
we're I think we're going to get into it here.
Speaker 1: Well, and that that's my issue where I think I agree.
I like majority of the court stuff. There's one one
I really didn't like when I can't remember the guys.
It was like Nikky, whatever the the yea Torres, Yeah,
I hate he said something and they go to the
cops and all the cops in the court like they're
all it's like if they're dead guilty or they're like
I just don't believe they'd all just start snickering live
right there. It just felt like it's different if you're
at but it's like if the jury's there and they're like, yeah,
I've never assuming they're like, like the jury's sitting right
there there. That seems a little suspicious, Like why are
all the cops maniacally laughing? So that was one point,
but the rest of stuff was fine for me. I
like the mirroring them talking about the suit and everything
like that. I absolutely could not stand that Matt outed
him without his permission because they like, this is my
problem why I don't think this was written to be
the Netflix Starituvil because he has dealt with this for
three years. He at the time when he's in the
cell of Hector talking to him about oh, you know,
the suit and everything like that. There could be criminals
being like, oh, that's the fucking guy who's White Tiger.
I'm gonna find him and fuck his family up. Like
I just hate. I would have been more on board
if he was willing to they said like, hey, this
is the only step. But even then, like it's hard
for me to buy White Tiger and be like, yeah,
reveal who I am, so like one, like we said
in this episode, he easily killed. But I just I
didn't like Matt because it'd be different if Matt was public,
if it was like a Spider Man thing right, like
he knew and he's like, hey, I've been through this,
but you'll make it through. It's gonna be okay. He's
such a hypocrite, he's not out. So when he's talking,
hector like, well you gotta put that suitway event she
and become who you are. It's like, yeah, but you
did that being Matt Murdoch, not Matt Murdock as Daredevil.
So there was so much stuff that was clashing and
for him and him and out of it's just like you've,
like you just watched this current how much of foggy
Karen in trouble because Fisk is after them, right, He's
fucking with them. So it's the fact that he would
never think like, oh, I'm gonna reveal Hector's personality or
secret person at persona that personality. I guess it counts.
But either way, the fact that he did that without
his permission, what if he would have been like, I'd
rather go to prison than people like Fisk or fucking Bullseye.
Know who my family is, Like, he's his little nieces
right there. Bulls are gonna fuck that kid up. So
I couldn't stand that. I felt like it went against
everything that from the mat I know, the show did
not fit of him outing without his permission, that feels
very risky. And didn't like that, and Hector is just
kind of cool with that. I liked seeing the stories
of the heroes, but I just thought it was way
way too risky. And look what happened. That's what happened, right,
He got fucking cat very easily.
Speaker 2: We'll get there, and he didn't get capped because he
was Hector. He was wearing the white tiger suit and
he was just doing what he does.
Speaker 1: He came right out of his apartment though, so It's
like they know exactly where he is, right, And that's
my problem with that too, is so I guess we'll
get there. Hector again, his suit up moment puts on
very good moment. He walks out just very weirdly. A
guy just walks out from the alley, shoots someone, walks away,
like this guy is an ambulet, Like you're telling me
he couldn't. He didn't sense anything, nothing going on. But
my thing is like, Okay, so now when like Matt
Morock does get the caution back, if Kingpin just like
had this man killed, why is Kingpin not gonna have
someone just assassiny Matt in court? Like, I feel like
the stakes are gonna be kind of curious when Matt
gets back there. And I'm interested to see so I'm
not saying as a negative yet, but I'm curious of Okay,
now Fisk is just straight up assassinating people. That puts
you in a risky spot of why doesn't he just
kill Frank Castle? Why he just killed Daredevil?
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess you could at least pass it
off as like he was fighting crime and the other
guy had a gun and it just and like it,
you know, there's a way that you could pass that
off as like not suspicious, like justight, well, yeah, this
is the dangers of you just going out in the street.
And obviously it was a hit job. But like the
fact that he didn't covered the nightfall too, no one
was there. It's not like he was defending someone in
that moment. He was just walking up the fucking steps,
you know. So I think they could at least defend
it that way where he's like, yeah, if someone showed
up in court and shot Matt in the head, hopefully
that would be a little bit that would raise the
flags a little bit more in terms of it being
foul play. But I think you made a really good
point about like, is that something Matt would do. I
feel like he just really got backed into a corner.
I felt like he had nothing else he could do,
and he saw the path to victory and just didn't
expect the consequences of it. But that also feels a
little out of his character that he wouldn't expect something
like this to happen. And I mean it took like
what five hours before him to die, so I'm sure
that'll be a big, you know, motivation for the rest
of the season. So yeah, that'll definitely set him.
Speaker 1: Off, I hope. So now, I hope it's not like
a sense where it's like I can't be Daredel when
he's like not dared Ol for like three more episodes.
But that's where I will say, Okay, I hope they
treat it as the character really screws up. I don't
want to be like this is a very vague reference,
but there's one season where Dexter accidentally killed an innocent
guy and for like an episode he was really bummed
about and talked about like changing the code all this time,
and then nothing ever happened. It just was dropped. And
that's my worry, because I haven't loved the writing of
the show, is he's gonna have one episode four where's
very mad about it, very sad, and then it's not
really gonna come up again. I think the problem is
with what they showed of who killed them. I feel
like that's gonna take what could be good character motivation
for the Hector stuff away and more focused on what
that's gonna be and stuff. But Superman Mike says he
agrees with me. Think Mike, I'll always take that. Matt
outing the secret identity was a big problem for me,
biggest character flaw the show so far felt out of character.
Lastris will come back to you in a second, because
that's a bigger story.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, for what was I gonna say, I
was gonna add on something you said earlier, Travis. Oh,
for the fact that like Fisk being after like Karen
and Foggy, I feel like like Fist doesn't know about
Matt's identity though until like the end of the show,
and Yeahs is after Karen and Foggy pretty much the
whole shot like series like before that, So I wouldn't
say that is like the biggest factor, but I do.
Speaker 1: Hard for them though, right, like lots of times.
Speaker 2: Like Yeahs, he didn't he didn't do that because of
Daredevil and knowing Matt's I know.
Speaker 1: But that's why I mean, like if they did that
just because a lawyer, is, what's Fist going to do
to a vigilante? And that's what he did, right, But
remember Wesley.
Speaker 2: New guy now right, you know he's a mayor, He's
he's a new guy. Bullshit. But uh, yeah, I know,
I I do agree with the it just feeling out
of character. I feel like in that moment it just
seems so left field and not what I was going
to expect at all. But what followed I just really loved,
like when he's just like doing all like the the
what is it like basically the good reviews from the
White Tiger Bye by the officers even, Like, I just
love that montage. So I think right away it was like, oh,
this is actually a really sweet take. I was really
intrigued on what was going to be coming after the
fact of he is like he's known now, he's a
he's a public trial. It's a really big deal, you know,
like it was an officer death trial, and I was
just interested more so what was gonna happen with Kingpin
and and Hector and just like that. And then right
at the end of episode it just yeah, it just
I just felt gutted. It's like, man, really all of
that just to have him killed. Now, you guys already
brought up some good points. I do hope that it
is fuel to the fire for Matt and like the
Daredevil side of the show, because that's been well, you know,
it's only three episodes in, but like it it feels
like it is on the back Burner, just the whole
daredevil side of the character. So I am intrigued to
what's gonna happen after the fact. But I will agree
it did feel very left field. But I mean it's
a bold move, but it worked, right, Like he saved
him and he just the emotions that that was the
emotion that was shown in that in that court. I mean,
I feel like he would have been dead anyways, right
like if they lost the trial, Like like what you
just said, everybody knows that he's white tiger, He's going
to prison, especially it is a high risk situation. Probably
should have just fled the whole fucking you know, country,
let alone city.
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably would have been safer in that route because yeah,
but again I wonder what would have been because you argue, Okay,
he might be dead in prison if he goes there
as just hector, but again he dies. It's it's hard
to counter argue because the argument is, yeah, a couple
of hours later, he's headshot, right, So you could just
say it's screwed for him. And that's where I'll go
back to, which I'll actually disagree with as someone they
didn't enjoy that sode too much. Lazar says, we'th three episodes,
and what really has happened to progress the main plot?
I think a lot, because I think the two biggest
plots are the main one's vigil antism, right, and that
was okay, Fisk said, I'm gonna get rid of vigilantes.
Vigilante wins the court case, he gets rid of them,
and then they plant seeds for something else we'll talk about.
So that got progressed. And two you can see hopefully
this is gonna be Matt's way to get back to Daredevil.
And just like last week, the whole the subplot was, well,
Fisk and Matt stray away from their old ways, right,
and both of them last week didn't and Matt didn't
really do anything this week, maybe you could say the
outing was being more daredevilish. I don't think so, but
maybe someone might chalk that up to that. But then
Fisk literally he talked, he talked down to Vanessa about
having people killed and like that's just like brutals, like
blood fights or whatever. And how does he end this
episode by doing exactly what he kind of like gas
lit Vanessa for He's like, oh, don't be just a
common criminal. And then the end of this episode. Yeah,
he's still got the atom Andy's blood. And then he
because me, there's an anty guy. And then he offered
he put a hit out for a hero. So whatever
he told Vanessa not to do, he did. So that's
why I think we've progressed that those two characters are changing,
and I think they're getting the vigilante thing up. I
think the logo you saw at the end is a
clear point to where we're going and why we're going there.
So m yeah, and I agree with Mike. He would
have at least gone to jail. But now his family's exposed. Like,
now you're the family of the White Tiger and that
poses a lot. Now, no white Tiger to protect you.
Matt better be there twenty four to seven.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't you know, I don't see Fist
going after the family, Like why would he do that?
Speaker 1: You know, but any other criminal, right, but ever someone's like,
oh he put my cousin in prison, you know, like
I'm gonna fuck him up.
Speaker 4: Maybe Bullseye maybe like people who are fully on that
sanity spectrum, but I think everyone else would be.
Speaker 1: Nice jobs done. Yeah, anything we'll talk about, like the
logo we'll say at the very end there, but anything
else in the main episode here to talk about, Well,
Dylan has a hand off of Wells.
Speaker 4: Stuff first, so you go, Dylan, I get my question
for you guys is gonna be next? Because you know,
another thing we got in this episode was the kind
of BB interviews, which I really like, I think getting
that perspective of the people in New York.
Speaker 3: I like the cinematography of it. I think we got.
Speaker 4: I feel like we got less of it this week
than we have in the previous episodes. Maybe I'm just
bundling those two ones together, but we've kind we're kind
of always getting like different perspectives on things, and this
one was a little bit more biased towards like people
were in favor of Hector. It feels like, but what
do you guys think, Like if we get some of
those shots next episode, what do you guys think the
people of New York are gonna think? Are people gonna
be like really sad about what happened with Hector? Or
are we gonna get like the classic like the white
dude redneck that we got before, being like what's coming
to them? Like do you think we're gonna get both
sides of it, or like, how is that that political
side of.
Speaker 3: New York going to be balanced out?
Speaker 2: I think they'll be pretty in the middle. I feel like,
like you, Dylan, I did think we got a lot
less in this episode, but it's also we had two
episodes worth last week, so it was probably the exact
same amount per episode. But I think even just judging
by last week's they did have a decent amount of
like the pro Fisk versus the against fist, like the
people who are calling him a crook and whatnot. And
I do like that side of those stories because it's
very much just showing the overall temperature check on the
streets of New York, right, and then where people are
are thinking, and it's I mean, the courts room was
very much majority positive for the whole white Tiger thing,
but I imagine they'll be there'll be quite a few
that were against him and just just the whole idea
and people just aligned with Fisk on the anti vigilanti route, right, Like,
I imagine there's gonna be a lot of the cops
will probably be like maybe interviewed and like give there
with their big fucking terrify tattoo. It's a Punisher logo,
but it was called Terrifier had like the t I
don't know if it was Terrified or Terrifier, but they
had a different It wasn't called Punisher.
Speaker 1: No on the wall or did I have the words
on the tattoo?
Speaker 2: I thought I had words on the tattoo.
Speaker 1: Okay, it says triggered.
Speaker 2: On the wall, oh, triggered, Okay, there you go, whatever
the hell it is.
Speaker 1: Triggered. Yeah, on the wall flame it was the skull
and has said triggered and I got a good laugh
at that. But I can't remember if the tattoos had
that or not.
Speaker 2: But I'm probably just imagining that because it's just like
I saw the guy's neck tattoo and it was just
like really small. So I think I was just reading
triggered in my own mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I yeah. I think it'll be down the
middle for now. I think maybe at some point in
whether it's this season or next season, I don't know
how long Fisk mayor will last, but I feel like
they will eventually at some point have a reel of
almost all the people on the good guy's side, like saying,
like all the good things and show like all the
people of New York have changed, or they've really the
air of their ways where they've seen a new sigh
themselves that maybe you know, White Tiger's not so bad
or there was not so bad, or maybe Fisk is terrible.
But I think until that switch happens, they're going to
keep it down the middle, especially because like they're both acting,
it's kind of the main characters here. Like you can
make an argument that maybe not this episode, because Matt
was definitely the focus, but the last two I think
Fisk had almost as much as screen time and Matt
it felt like right, so they felt like a two
hand or this one we really only saw Fisk on
at the end where he wanted to talk to BB.
He saw the news report you want to talk to BB.
He gave her the interview, which I did. Like they
shout out the bulletin where Karen used to work, like
all we got people at the I think they said
Bulletin or Times wherever the newspaper she used to work
there with Ben Yurick. He's like, oh, well you could
do an interview. There's like no, no, no, I want
I want her and stuff. So and then the only
other time we got fists. Tonight was the more marriage counseling,
which we could see any counseling, We just saw the
the fight beforehand, and.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we saw that they're clearly not sharing everything with
the counselor and still just hashing it out in the
quiet moments between themselves.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very unproductively.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's tough. It reminds me a lot of you
Season three when Joe and Love went to go get therapy,
but they're serial killers, so they have to like talk
around what their real problems are, and that's what this
kind of is. And she did, like at least try
to do an all branch because he kind of said like,
oh well, that's just you know, like we shouldn't be
doing right. They had dinner together breakfast, like shouldn't be
doing this. I'm on the better things, and she said,
like the way she did handle it was like getting
someone just give some money to that other group that was,
you know, doing bad things. So I think she's trying
to show that, Okay, maybe I'll do things your way.
Don't know if that's gonna last. I don't know if
that's a ploy or she is actually trying. We got
British Wesley, you know, making that meeting happen.
Speaker 2: Buck Anderson, where the hell his name was? All to
pull it up? Buck Anderson, He's got a cool name.
I remember that. I feel like, like did she tell
him though that that happened? Like I feel like that
was completely behind Kingpin's back, and then he caught wind
of it, and then I thought, well, well, he's like,
he's like, what's going going on? Essentially, and she's like, well,
I made them off for one point eight million. That
means that, like she had this whole plant, like she's
still doing criminal activity even though he like basically told
her to like put a pin in it, like we're
done for this until I doing my mayor thing. And
I think that's gonna be the driving wedge between them
the whole way. Like she's already stressing that like paraphrase,
but she's basically getting nancy, like she just wants to
do things. She can't just let it fester on its own, right,
Like she has to do something. She can't see the
whole business just go to ship and just stand by
and like, oh, I respect that, you know the classic
thing Kingpin voice there, But I think that is going
to be the main driving force between the two of them,
and I think eventually she's just gonna be like, I
don't have to wait around for you at all, and
then that'll be like her basically I don't know, just
fucking taking a shotgun to a Kingpin's head, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 4: He's got more muscle mass than he than he used
to a.
Speaker 1: New middle place in my head. Have you heard of anamagium?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I feel like we got a lot more of the
frustrated side of Kingpin this week, obviously with the news
report thing and then and the kind of assumed frustraightedness
which leads to the hit, but then also with the
Vanessa stuff. You know, he's yeah, she's trying like a
little bit, and then he's just like, ah, we need
chaos because chaos.
Speaker 3: Turns into order.
Speaker 4: It's like just the most word salad like nonsense, which
you know, guys like this always just spewing out random
shit that makes no sense, and she was just not
having any of it. So I thought, I really liked
that combo. I wish we got like a bit more
of that dynamic this week, but you know, a little
bit we did get was was interesting.
Speaker 1: He did say that Chaos has to rain, which is
a shout out to the storyline where he did become
mayor it's called uh. I think it's like Devil's Rain
or Chaos Ran something like that. So there's some kind
of tributing to the com books or something. So maybe
that's why some that words that happened. But that's what
I'm just trying to figure out because it's just so funny, right,
because I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but I
did think we might wait a little bit longer till
fisks started doing this stuff because I thought the whole
poll was gonna be fiscus, whether like he's actively trying
to do it or pretending to. He's gonna be doing
good stuff and Vanessa's not, and that's the friction, right,
But how long can he be mad or gonna be
friction if she's like, well, you know, I want to
do things this way and he is on the side
doing same things, like the dirty way. So that's what
it's like. I don't know if I haven't decided if
that's gonna drive them apart or actually wonder if that's
gonna bring them back together now because he it's just
gonna be like she's he's gonna be back, and she's
gonna reaccept Like it's gonna be that that's the Fisk
that she loves, right, like when she finds out, like
I thought, like at first it might be a betrayal,
but I'm wondering now if that might bring them closer together.
And I could see the end of the season at
the therapist being like, oh, you guys made such good progress,
and it's really just because like Fisk is a fucking
psychopath again, right, so before I thought, because Fisk is
already committing criminal acts, it's like, what's the drama there?
Then he has no reason to call her out. Now
this is two weeks in a row. Last week, now
I was bad a little blackmail. I'm sure politicians do
that all the time, right, I'm sure some politicians have
also done their few hits in there. But I'm gonna hope, yeah, yeah,
not as hope common as I hope. So I feel
like there can't be any drama in like week five
because he's gonna commit more crimes, and why can he
be mad at Vanessa? You know she's doing the same
thing he is.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, almost halfway through the season, so yeah, keep going.
I don't know if it's just like the way that
they're writing those two characters this season, but they just
feel so different than they did in the earlier Daredevil show,
where like, I mean, I didn't like it, but like
Fisk was just head over heels with Vanessa, like that
was just his kryptonite, Like he would just whatever she said, whatever,
Like he's just dropping everything for it. So I am
liking this shift and because it, Like again, I don't
know if it's just the way that they're writing the characters,
but to me, it feels like this is a completely
different type of dynamic, and Fisk isn't just you know,
rose tinted glasses when it comes to Vanessa, like like
I feel like he like I'm Kingpin and like my
word is law and if you don't listen to me,
like you're not on my team, even though it is Vanessa,
it is my glorious Vanessa whatever, whatever the hell he
calls her. I still think there is gonna be a
diversion of those two characters, and whether it's Kingpin want
to do it his own way, maybe it's Vanessa thinking
that she can do better than Kingpin, or if they
just are actually clashing and they just you know, they
they got dry spell or not.
Speaker 2: They're not hitting the sheets anymore, whatever it is. They're
they're just.
Speaker 1: Gonna find an Adam's dead body locked.
Speaker 3: Up in a freezer, you know, yeah, bloody knuckles or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, which I love that transition. They showed his bloody
knuckles while he was eating breakfast and they like the
next scene was a Matt's bloody's knuckle, like wiping them
off and stuff like that. So kind of again showing
all their both on this uh, both on this wavelength
to turn but don't worry you. Then, do you think
this is gonna cause for a collision course or bring
them together? Fists starting to do some more criminal stuff,
and Vanessa like saying, oh yeah, like maybe she's not
killing people, but she's still like dealing with the alls, right,
like she's paying them all, so she's taking like a better,
maybe safer method, but like you know, in some episode
she's gonna have somebody killed. So by the end of
the season, do you think they're separated? Do you think
one of them's dead? Obviously her, I don't think they're
killing Donofrio off or are they together again? Where are
you right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think they'd stay together, but I think it's
just gonna get like progressively more and more toxic.
Speaker 3: It would be, would be my guess.
Speaker 4: And I think it'll be a fun dynamic because I
feel like they're gonna get They're gonna hate each other
more and more and like deviate more and more, but
then like they're gonna have these council meetings still like
through the season, and then that they're still gonna be
like keeping it peachy clean. Maybe they'll have a couple
breaks in there where they where they actually have a
little bit of spite in their conversations there. But I
think that dynamic could be really fun. I guess it
also depends like how much is Fisk in this season
really gonna get dirty? You know, how many more bloody
knuckles are we actually gonna get? Or is it just
like now he has more power than maybe he's ever had,
Although does he have more access now than he did before?
It's kind of hard to say, but I guess to
some extent he kind of does. So how much is
it gonna be just like him getting other people to
do the dirty work and then like she doesn't even
really know to the extent of the stuff he's doing.
Uh So I don't know. I think I'm I'm unsure.
And this one's tricky for me too, Like this is
a dynamic I don't remember as well as obviously you
guys who have watched the show again recently are watched
it multiple times, and so it's hard for me, you know, Kirk,
when you're talking about how different some of these dynamics
are from the original seasons, Like you know, in my
foggy memory, it all kind of like connects together. But
It's been so long since I've revisited that stuff, so
it's seeming consistent to me. But yeah, I'm a little
a little out of the out of the ball game
a bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah for me because he's tough because I think the
way they act and still talk to each other work.
But it's also tough because this is five years later.
Right in the in the show was Cannon and like
they did this whole storyline where he was Shaw and
just left her and stuff, so you could see why
she is mad, because again I don't understand why he
didn't just even send her a text. I still would
like more. I'm hoping that gets I don't think he's
a big text HER's a big phone caller though, at
least like he did.
Speaker 3: I think he's a big phone caller.
Speaker 1: He got sewn the eye and on the ear, he
can still hear or the voice, you know, he can
still speaks. So no, well we'll see there. But yeah,
I guess too. Like for me, it's just a question. Obviously,
it's nothing I like need to know, but it is
just he's still may or comes season two. I hope so,
because like I said, I don't want another season where
he just gets beat. So I wonder if this is
more you know, Matt gets become Daredevil, but Fisk isn't
really king Pin Kingpin again until like the last episode.
Maybe he decides okay, because that would be kind of
a good way to divert Hey, why is Kingpin not
going after Matt this season right now? Maybe he doesn't
really know about Matt being back until the end, and
that kind of sets up season two. Okay, Matt does
whatever's going on with Punisher, he does whatever it's going
on with the other villain that's coming soon, and then.
Speaker 4: Well I think he's already super pissed at him for
just winning that case, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, yeah, but it's still he didn't bring his word, right,
He's not he's not dressed up as a devil right now,
so it's still still okay, he's still defendant everything.
Speaker 4: I don't think Kingpin's very forgiving guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he forgave and Adam and whatever. And I'm wondering
too if that gonna be a situation where maybe they
do get back on the wavelength, but she finds out
they lied to her about the Adam thing, and that's like,
you know, they get close, and then how can I
ever trust you? Like again, I think if they break apart,
I think there's a good chance Fisk is the one
that actually kill Vanessa, which would be.
Speaker 2: In your style, yeah, kind of Oh my god, I
think more bloody knuckles.
Speaker 1: I think I said that last week, Like what's more
scary than a Kingpin that has no Vanessa, no like
nothing holding him back anymore. Right, And if he kills
this woman who was like the love of life, I
don't know what he'd do. I don't know if he
would do it, but it's just I don't know. It's
gonna be interesting. But anything else before we talk about
the alleyway of Man.
Speaker 2: I got two things. First of all, British Wesley buck
Cashman is his name, but that was pretty close. It
is very porn star name.
Speaker 3: I like it.
Speaker 2: And the second thing something that I really didn't catch
on to you at first, but this episode specifically when
he was talking I think it was when he's talking
to BB or maybe beforehand, when Kingpin is like getting
the new is about the case and he's just like
tripling down on this like anti vigilanteism and just just
people wearing masks and all these things, and I just
couldn't help but like appreciate like the hypocrisy in that,
in that sense of like Kingpin is all about just
being like clean on the surface and like basically being
a completely different person, you know, like when he's not
behind the camera, like he's literally he just killed Hector
by like making a call and like all the and
like who knows, maybe he's a driving factor on these
the triggered Punisher cops, Like like who knows, Like it
just seems like he always has plans and for me,
just what I've known about the character lack thereof, but
potentially just maybe what I've gone through with Daredevil is
he's all about just being two faced in the sense
of like, yeah, he's clean and like respectful and like
a like a clean businessman, and then behind the scenes
like he's killing people with car doors and just being
your people.
Speaker 1: He's the one you weren't allowed to say his name,
remember wils So he's done all this before, but and
then here.
Speaker 2: He's just getting like so enraged by the idea of
like people hiding behind Max. I'm like, man, like, this
is literally who you are. So I'm I'm just excited
to see those cracks. I think they're just gonna keep
revealing throughout the show, like anytime that Matt just keeps
pissing them off. I mean King Pinkin has the upper
hand right now. Matt went all out on this Hector case.
Speaker 1: And see Kingpin, he's always just.
Speaker 3: He's just like hiding under his hat.
Speaker 1: Don't bring that outfit fact please o more. But no,
I did, like to you when he's talking with Bob
and they're like, oh, well you know justice to be
served BB, He's like, well they've you know, they found
him on guilty. He's like, well, I know more than
anybody about how the jury can get wrong and then
he's son of a bitch. It's not the same situation
he's trying to say the two times he's been convicted,
like he was wrongly convicted. It's like, I don't know, man,
you have a slet little bodies behind you and stuff,
and it's great, Like that makes the character great, right.
He thinks he's better for whatever reason. It's very much
like a Lex Luthor Superman thing, the same way of
like LEXI cause he's a better person because he's gonna
murder Superman, like oh, I'm gonna protect protect Metropolis by
murdering the hero because he's an alien. I just don't
trust him because he's not from our planet, which again
we have feel like that in real life, right, just
because they're not from a country a place like well,
I can't trust him because they're not from America, not
from Canada. Sorry, it doesn't matter. So yeah, uh so, yeah,
I was.
Speaker 3: Gonna check out a review of Mickey seventeen.
Speaker 1: Yes exactly, Yeah, something's in there. So uh but yeah,
as we talked about, Hector is getting ready, which was
interesting because Matt did tell him, hey, you can have
the suit and night one. He's already getting the suit.
Speaker 2: So Hector was not gonna buy shot him. It's like,
I fucking warned you.
Speaker 1: He's just the next episode. I can't keep getting dude,
I did it. It's just like a complete.
Speaker 3: His terrifyer suit.
Speaker 1: I never want this, But imagine that's the big flip
of the season. That's how Pinisher comes back. He's like
the hero of the story because like Matt's gone too
far and he has to take him.
Speaker 3: That's Pinion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it'd be great. But uh, anyways, so yeah,
Hector's out there. He hears something going on. He's again
like they could have put my boy on a rooftop
or anything. He's just like in an alley and he's
hearing like the screaming. Like it's just like he looks cool.
But where they put him is like just like they
have him around a wall or something. But he's just
he's walking around New York dressed out. He's no baton
to fly, he's an ambulance. Doesn't say the powers. I
couldn't he even super jump. I don't know. We're on
Disney Plus now. But anyways, so he's walking out and
then yeah, just some dude walks in the frame shoots him,
walks off. But then as it's closer, light's revealing it's
a body of somebody I'm assuming a man trench coat,
and that trench coat flies open a little bit and
it's the Punisher logo. So why do you think Frank
Castle killed this man?
Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, describe to that theory. I mean I was,
I was just getting excited by seeing the logo more
and then me thinking, okay, yeah, Frank's getting closer. The
more we see this logo. Even though this isn't Frank,
you know, wearing the logo, it's drawing attention. It's like
Batman started Dark Night. You know. The guy's wearing hockey
pads like he's gonna be showing up when people are
dressed like him. So I'm just I'm so excited for
that eventual appearance, very excited.
Speaker 1: It's not Frank under there, do you think so different?
Speaker 3: Build?
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's he's you know what, he's a murderer.
Speaker 4: I'm sure's another one hide in a bush and then
sneak out and headsh on someone.
Speaker 1: He's running that you like, get out, run stop.
Speaker 3: And we didn't hear it.
Speaker 4: He would have done a guttural scream he would have
done one of those he pulled.
Speaker 2: Like a green goblin and Spider Man won. Remember when
he's like whining like a like a woman and then
the burning building.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I what I'm wondering here is because obviously,
I imagine Fisk knows they're dirty cops, probably just puts
in a call, hey favor. Maybe when he's going back
and forth that commission, he met some cops there on
the side. I'm wondering, is it just the cops still
doing their thing and they're because they do this in
the Calm books, they start wearing punisherr vests, So if
it's just to them, think because they feel emboldened by
the Punisher. What I don't think it is, But what
I would love it to be is Fisk trying to
frame the Punisher like he did similar to season two
where he let him out to kill the other mob bosses.
I would love it if they're like, because we talked
about the Albi right, the public might be a little confused,
but if they start putting out like, oh, Frank Castle,
like he the Punishers, the man killed the White Tiger,
Frank Castle, who's been like in this show, put out
in the modern like media that this guy's a fucking psychopath,
like he's crazy, right, even though we know Frank as
a code. I think Fisk, who's now Mayor, could spin
that to like, oh yeah, like Punishers the one that
did that. And I got to because you know, we
mentioned Punisher last week right with the guy and the
skull vest or whatever. So I would like to see
that tie back again because I mentioned last week and
the predictions we talked about the Punisher special. I just
want Fisk and Punisher to interact once again. I want
that to be that thread from season two that Frank
just said, hey, when I see you like I'm coming
for you. I would love if that's what gets Frank out,
which again I don't like that Frank's retired. I know
he's like anytime John birth On has long hair, that
means Punisher's not doing it. So why did he retire?
I don't know. But here we are, so I'm wondering
if it's just the cops or if it's Fist be like, hey,
when you kill that, cause like we said, though there's
no like maybe I guess we could might see a camera.
I guess right, they might show a camera after and
show like the Punisher logo because somehow this has to
get up to the public that there's a logo being
worn I imagine, right, because the times we just see.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I guess that's what I was gonna ask,
is like, are are the Punisher logos on all the
cops hidden? Like if that's not my guy's.
Speaker 1: Neck, like that kind of not hidden.
Speaker 3: That's that's what I mean.
Speaker 4: Like, so they ideal, Like, I think your theory makes sense,
but then I'm also a little confused of if he
goes to frame Punisher, but then like all the cops
in his in it, working in his precinct are like
rocking that same logo. It's like, I don't know if
the messaging there makes a whole lot of sense.
Speaker 1: But then why did he say that last week though?
Right because he said he's going after Daredevil, Spider Man, PUNISHERR.
Like he didn't drop the name.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess, you know, yeah, I guess we still
have don't really have a great idea of how in
Unison Fisk and like the current cops are. I guess,
so like maybe that's kind of like split factions within
each other, and then it leads to this really complicated
web of dynamics there.
Speaker 2: Like the main tie that makes me think he is
involved with it is just he seemed like, well, you know,
the judge or the jury didn't get it right, and
the next thing like he just gets killed. And it's like,
I don't know, I just feel like someone like Kingpin
would be someone that's making these ties, and he just
seemed very attached to the case, which was pretty much
all around these cops being you know like basically I
don't know my legal turns, but I think it's acquidted
of all charges. I guess they weren't even the ones
on trial. It's mostly just it was just hector really
like they weren't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, none of the cops were on trial. They they
had to speak. They were witnesses or defendants, not defendants.
Speaker 2: But it's like they're tying up loose ends. That was
like the mean point of from the cops perspective, and
it seemed like from what was shown, I believe Kingpin
has reasons to be supporting the police in that sense.
And maybe it's just a control thing, right because he
is the mayor, and uh, you know, if he's got
his own special task force of of the terrifier type
cops or trigger cops.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the trigger to the trigger force. But I
guess that's even my mistake though, because I talked about
like matter of fact, when the stepsod started, they could
just be using that as a red herring, editing wise, right,
because that could just be cops, because the cops now
know where he lives, very easy to locate him, and
the cops were pissed that he got acquitted. He could
easy just like it could just be a cop thing,
and they're trying to make us think Fist put a
hit out on this guy. So I guess I didn't
eve take it very well.
Speaker 3: Could just be a dirty cop for sure, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because I thought for sure it could.
Speaker 4: Even be did it, But it could even be not
necessarily that they were given an order by Fisk, but
just like they want to be liked by Fisk and
improved by him, and they think that's what he would
want them to do, just based off like once again,
what you're saying, because he said that statement publicly, right,
So they, I don't know, maybe would agree with that
to some extent.
Speaker 1: I wonder next week if that's how we get another
Fisk Matt scene. If Matt might think that that it
is Fisk, and that's he goes to confront him, and
maybe that could be a tell because remember he can
tell people are lying, So maybe he does that and
he listens to Fisk's heart and he's not lying, and
that's like, fuck, if it's not Fisk, then.
Speaker 3: They're just back in the diner for another every every week.
Speaker 4: Just let's do this more often every Sunday, yeah, after church,
lets me know.
Speaker 1: But no, my last point with the Punisher Vesu's just
I'm very excited because I did not think we'd be
getting it this early, because I thought Punish me in
two maybe three episodes would like an end credit, but
I thought it'd be more. I know, we don't got
him yet, but I thought even like this type of
illusion would be five six, Like I thought, Matt probably
would been back in caution before we even got illusions
of like he's coming. And obviously this could never happen
they announced, especially before. But man, can't you imagine the
world where we didn't know John Bertha was coming back
and that's how this episode ended. Now, I guess the
tattoos would have gave it away, but just imagine that
of like, oh, they're gonna do it, and just that
thing like holy ship, like they're going there. But uh,
do we see him next week or no? Is this
just a tease?
Speaker 3: Hmmm?
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think what was like the was there
what was the cliffhanger of last week? What was there
a specific cliffinger you.
Speaker 2: Fought the cops and then snap both their necks and
in there.
Speaker 4: And yeah, and so that wasn't really I feel like
we didn't really get the direct resolution of that necessarily
in terms of Cliff Hangary.
Speaker 1: Confront him in the bathroom right a little bit.
Speaker 2: Which I was a hularious interaction. It's like, is he
gonna fucking beat up this blind dude at the courthouse?
Like yeah, it's just such a like, man, I don't know,
I was, I forgot about that. Just kick his ass again.
Speaker 1: That's That's always the play Matt has his real life.
Is it's like the find in the Daredevil movie when
Kingpin's like, I'm gonna tell everything about He's like, yeah,
go ahead, tell him the blind lord from Hell's Kitchen
beat you up, and the King's like, I'm not gonna
say anything like that. Is that is the great thing
about his like secret identity as Matt Murdock is he's
not really even when he's on that date with his
girlfriend at the end of the episode, it's like he's like
reaching around, he's getting a hold souff. It's like this
guy's doing fucking triple back flips and fighting bulls, like
he's like doing everything, but he's liked, you do you
know where the assault is? It's like, you fucking am bastard.
You're such a liar.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't think we will see him next week.
I think that is a good old classic cliffhanger leading
into it. But I feel like it'll take Frank more
time to get geared up, you know, like this just happened.
I think next well, we're gonna get the fallout of
what's happening here from Matt's perspective, and then I don't
I don't know where Punisher is, Like is he just
chilling in New York?
Speaker 3: If so, maybe that's like against high somewhere.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I think it'll it'll take some time for
him to come out. But even thinking back to like Sheeholk,
even though it's like different showrunners and writers, I think,
but like when we first got the hint of Dared,
like the I think the mask was the first thing
we saw, right, and then I feel like we didn't
actually see him for like another couple episodes after.
Speaker 1: That, right, Yeah, the only thing I think we could
see a Frank next week is a similar ending to this,
but it's just like the last twenty thirty seconds where
you see actually see John Werthnall and that's it because
I guess my only thing, yeah, my only last note
is maybe they do have some surveillance and I'll see
like Matt doesn't see if but someone tells him, like
someone with the Punisher skull shot him, and if Matt
finds out, it's not fas like the next episode could
just be Matt trying to figure out who did it.
And even if he doesn't think Frank one hundredercent it,
he still wants to go talk to him. So I
could see it like trying to locate like where has
Frank Castle been? Where is he? So I could see
that situation because then, yeah, if we get the episode
even four next week, that is like the halfway mark,
kind of like half halfway. So but yeah, I'm very
excited for that conversation.
Speaker 3: Do you guess the next week.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think, because did we have we seen
him in a trailer or do we just know he's
in it because it's been announced, Like was he wearing
the Punisher.
Speaker 3: Suit in that? No, he has the like do you
think he'll even wear that?
Speaker 4: Or do you think that that logo and stuff is
tainted now that he won't want to associate with it.
Speaker 1: No, he's gonna take it back. I think it's gonna
be very similar Season one, where he has the long
hair and the beard and for some reason he's not
doing it. Red's gonna tell him what's going on, and
he's gonna be like, I'll handle it, and Frank's I'll
let you handle it, and then he's gonna have time to
stew on it. He's like, no, fuck that, and he's
gonna every time Punisher has to be the Punisher. He
always shades, he always has the punish your hair, and
then he's gonna show. I think he's gonna like reclaim,
he's gonna take it back the logo just because like
I think they want to rip and stuff. All the
tattoos just cut him off. Triggered now I love I
can't wait till you burn it off or something that'd
be pretty sweet, you know. Yeah, I can't wait till
you watch season one, until you and tear Punisher because
birth All is so good and he's such just a
distic bastard. And I hope, uh, I hope they bring
the heat there. He said that this week on the special,
he said that it's not gonna be punish your Light.
He said they're gonna go real hard on it. So
I'm excited for that. Cite for next week episode four.
Maybe Taylor will be back. He was a little under
the weather, so we set up this time. But yeah,
we'll be back. Let us know, and that we got
the discord, we got a Dare Devil channel. To any
theories anything like that. I know. I'm not going to
talk about this episode, but maybe near the end. I've
seen lots of Peel theory crafting how Foggy's alive because
there's the address for their law firm in the past,
like the Murdoch Page Nelson thing. It had the same
address of an issue called The Secret Life of Foggy
Nelson where his death was faked and he became an informant,
so maybe we'll talk to the.
Speaker 3: Dead man when I saw him on the street, so
that he was.
Speaker 1: In the comics and then all of a sudden he
was working for the FBI. So that's a popular theory
about me. I'll wait till tater'sack, or I'll wait till
an episode that's like maybe we have nothing to talk about,
and then I'll bring it up there. So, like I said,
theories like that, anything, throw him up there. Thank you
very much for listening. When you hear from us next
week or until then, I'll not be boring.
Speaker 2: Hi