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<v Speaker 1>And the ignorance tick on the campuses, talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just getting away with all this rather.

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<v Speaker 2>Than know in fact. Fifty five KRC, it's ato six

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<v Speaker 2>Here at fifty five kr CV Talk station, it being Thursday.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll hear from my heart media aviation expert Jay Rattler

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<v Speaker 2>at the bottom of the hour. As is always the case,

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<v Speaker 2>a welcome edition to the fifty five KC Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm please to announce David Harsanyi my next guest. You

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<v Speaker 2>may have read what David has written in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a senior writer the Washington Examiner or a nationally

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<v Speaker 2>syndicated columnist, author of four books, contributed to New York Post.

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<v Speaker 2>His works appeared in My Favorite Place, The Wall Street Journal,

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<v Speaker 2>among others including The Washington Post, Reason, USA Today, National Review,

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<v Speaker 2>numerous other publications, and he's been a feature on Fox News, CNN, MSNBC,

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<v Speaker 2>Soon to Be Demised, NPR, ABC, World News Tonight, and

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<v Speaker 2>other outlets. Welcome to the fifty five KC Morning Show,

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<v Speaker 2>David Harsin, you to talk about your book, The Rise

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<v Speaker 2>of Bluing on how the Democrats became a party of

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theorists. Good to have you on the show today.

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<v Speaker 1>David, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Among all the things you talk about. And you know

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<v Speaker 2>what I've observed over the years and my political philosophy

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<v Speaker 2>fifty nine years so old, so you know where I

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<v Speaker 2>am and what I've seen throughout my life. I remember

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<v Speaker 2>the Soviet Union and all that's happened in between now

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<v Speaker 2>and that. But the Democrats seem to me to be

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<v Speaker 2>always accusing the Republicans of engaging in conduct that they

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<v Speaker 2>are absolutely engaging in right before our very eyes. It's

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<v Speaker 2>something a deflection. They literally will do things that they

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<v Speaker 2>then accuse the Republicans of doing. And I have always

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<v Speaker 2>just sort of out loud wondered, how is it that

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<v Speaker 2>they think they can get away with it, or maybe,

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<v Speaker 2>as this most recent election has shown, maybe they aren't

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<v Speaker 2>getting away with it and more smarter than they take

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<v Speaker 2>us to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Dad, Well, that goes back, and that's where I start

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<v Speaker 1>my book. When Killer Clinton showed up on the Today

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<v Speaker 1>Show and said that there had been a vast right

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<v Speaker 1>wing conspiracy to undermine her husband, which was not true. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of projection and deflection about that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff. Take the whole case of the Democratic Party

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<v Speaker 1>or not the whole case. The half the cases that

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<v Speaker 1>was that Trump is hitler, but the other half was

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<v Speaker 1>that democracy was in dire h you know, danger because

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans might take over. And then the next sentence they'll say,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, so we need to pack the court, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to sen of misinformation, we need to get

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<v Speaker 1>rid of the electoral college. I think maybe, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>their version of democracy is just something that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just Democratic party policies, not actually the constitutional order.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they do that with a ton of stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>and they get away with it because a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>our institutions are run by people who agree with them, media,

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<v Speaker 1>higher education, and you know, many government agencies and so on.

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<v Speaker 3>So they that's how they get away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, getting away with it, and what their desire is

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I want to try to drive to that

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<v Speaker 2>latter point. They say that, you know, we here on

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<v Speaker 2>the more conservative side of the ledger I consider myself

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<v Speaker 2>a little libertarian, so but that we are undermined, we

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<v Speaker 2>are going to ruin, We're going to undermine the constitution,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. What are they really ultimately looking for? It

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<v Speaker 2>seems to me that they want more power. They want

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<v Speaker 2>to confiscate more of our wealth, they want to dictate

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<v Speaker 2>the terms of conditions, more of our lives, all in

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<v Speaker 2>the name of it, mostly predicated these days on the

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<v Speaker 2>underlying religion that they have been teaching to our young

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<v Speaker 2>people now for about two decades. Is global warming crap,

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<v Speaker 2>Like my exhalation while feeding the plants is wonderful, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's also killing the globe. Literally everything hinges on. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, we're all going to die airgo. We need

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<v Speaker 2>to confiscate and regulate. That's the antithesis of the freedoms

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<v Speaker 2>and liberties that are founding fathers placed in the Constitution.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, yeah, I mean in the book I wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not just about conspiracy theories. It's about currents of paranoia,

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<v Speaker 1>paranoid style politics, and global warming. Climate change has been

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<v Speaker 1>a big part of that. I'm a little younger than you,

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<v Speaker 1>not much, And you know I remember that, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirty, even almost thirty years ago, there were you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Said it was going to Yeah, so there's this apocalypse

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<v Speaker 1>always coming. And because there's the apocalypse coming, we have

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<v Speaker 1>to do a B and C. Now that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the Green New Deal, whatever, it's always something new, And

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<v Speaker 1>all those policies are socialistic, I mean all of them are.

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<v Speaker 1>Carbon dioxide is everywhere and then everything. If you want

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of paranoia drives there.

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<v Speaker 3>They try to.

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<v Speaker 1>Scaremonger you into doing the things that they want. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's the same with other stuff. I'll give you the one.

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<v Speaker 1>What I think is one of the most pernicious strains

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<v Speaker 1>of paranoia the suppression of the vote, telling a whole

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, you know, telling Black Americans, you know, voting buck,

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<v Speaker 1>that they are strippted agency, that they cannot vote, that

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<v Speaker 1>or that people want or that cops are hunting them

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<v Speaker 1>in the streets. Now, obviously they're a racist out there,

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<v Speaker 1>not saying every shooting is not doesn't have very component

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<v Speaker 3>And yet the whole BLM.

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<v Speaker 1>Thing happened, and it was based on basically conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there was no in Michael Brown and others.

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<v Speaker 1>and anyway, so that's one of them as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And this, this conspiracy theory, this this anger and the

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<v Speaker 2>fear mongering, has been enabled by a media that is

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<v Speaker 2>almost exclusively up until recently exclusively dominated by left leaning

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<v Speaker 2>commentators and left leaning talking heads. How they ended up

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<v Speaker 2>taking over all of media is beyond my comprehension, David.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what, again, this election I think confirmed

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<v Speaker 2>and has shown most of these left wing organizations that

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<v Speaker 2>people are smarter than that. They've moved away from the

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<v Speaker 2>msnbcs and the CNNs and even the NBC's ABC's of

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<v Speaker 2>start consuming contact like content like the podcast Joe Rogan.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll have long, engaging conversations with people of all political stripes,

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<v Speaker 2>doing a more deep dive. People really consume that and

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<v Speaker 2>are interested in it because it's informative. It offers greater

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<v Speaker 2>insight in what people really think and believe, and it

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<v Speaker 2>provides an opportunity for a back and forth. It reveals

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<v Speaker 2>again what you've laid out in your book, a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of nonsense and garbage. We can find that now with

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I agree with all that, but we

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<v Speaker 1>You'd probably believe it because he wouldn't lie to you

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<v Speaker 3>But that is no longer the case.

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<v Speaker 1>Things have become so politicized in media that they made

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<v Speaker 1>up the Russia collusion hoax. I mean, either they made

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<v Speaker 1>on and they hid Joe Biden's you know, acuity decline

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<v Speaker 1>in his physical decline. Then they turned you know on

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<v Speaker 1>And then they turned on the dimes, So they're not

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<v Speaker 1>and they're not doing their job. So if tomorrow Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump actually did something terrible and they told us that

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<v Speaker 3>One would believe them. No one would believe them.

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<v Speaker 1>And we need a media that is and does look

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<v Speaker 1>at the powerful, and we don't have that. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>bad for America. It's good that we stopped listening to

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<v Speaker 1>them because they've been lying to us, but it's bad

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<v Speaker 2>Well what I mean, yeah, absolutely, And here's a question

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<v Speaker 2>they had been feeding us and change their ways. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>CNN may be moving a little bit more centrist, offering

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<v Speaker 2>some newspapers out there who are all in sad, sad,

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<v Speaker 2>desperate shape to even stay afloat, didn't offer a political

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<v Speaker 2>support for Kamala Harris took a lot of hits from

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<v Speaker 2>the left wingers, but sort of maybe engaging in a

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<v Speaker 2>shift to more responsible journalism. Do you think it's too

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<v Speaker 2>late for them to do that or can we might

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<v Speaker 2>find it? Maybe this might be an opportunity for a

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<v Speaker 2>renaissance where we can actually start counting on media to

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<v Speaker 2>provide us with maybe an unbiased assessment of the facts

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<v Speaker 3>I hate that. I can't be very positive that's okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's not so.

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<v Speaker 1>The owner of the Washington Post, doesn't you know, endoors

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<v Speaker 1>and everyone goes bananas there, which just shows you how

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<v Speaker 1>oft the ranch they are exactly. The Pull paper is

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<v Speaker 1>already hardcore left. Every single concle conservative writer on their

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<v Speaker 1>opinion pages is actually just hates Trumps. You don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to like Donald Trump. I'm critical of Donald Trump. But

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<v Speaker 1>the thing is you're not representing the readership of your

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<v Speaker 1>paper or America. There are half the people in this

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<v Speaker 1>know what I mean, and no one knows or understands

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<v Speaker 1>what that is about. Is this guy Scott Jennings on

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<v Speaker 1>CNN who does very good job. He's a conservative, but

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<v Speaker 1>and these other people don't even like It's like they

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<v Speaker 1>never even heard the arguments. They don't understand what the

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<v Speaker 1>other side's all about. So, but the problem isn't that

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<v Speaker 1>you can just have an owner who changes things. The

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<v Speaker 1>entire culture going down into journalism school all the way up.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you have assistant editorial people revolting against the

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<v Speaker 3>Young people, but especially them.

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<v Speaker 1>They cannot abide by a differing opinion because they don't

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<v Speaker 1>as an immoral evil, you know, thing that needs not

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<v Speaker 1>you are a Russian spook. Yeah, you know, bought by

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<v Speaker 3>You, you know whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, well, I mean I've always observed, David, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know you feel the same way about this. Once,

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<v Speaker 2>anytime an actual debate, when it gets reduced to someone

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<v Speaker 2>one up in the win column, because name calling is

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<v Speaker 2>not debate. And them screaming at you know, Donald Trump Nazi,

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump Nazi not only is absolutely ridiculous from a

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<v Speaker 1>So cause because yeah, I so, for instance, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like terifs, I don't like certain things Donald Trump says.

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<v Speaker 1>But you just keep calling him Hitler. You force someone

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<v Speaker 1>like me to get out there and defend it because

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<v Speaker 1>he's not Hitler. And you know what, Hitler was a

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<v Speaker 1>in context, it's a terrible thing to the mean history

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<v Speaker 1>in that way. So you push people actually to defend

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump, who might not like all the stuff he's doing. Absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know when you do that, no one will

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<v Speaker 1>trust anything you say about the guy, as I mentioned before.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I mean I think they undermine their case.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and the other one. They keep running around screaming

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<v Speaker 2>Donald Trump fascist. I keep reminding everyone, why would you

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<v Speaker 2>please go and look up a dictionary and read what

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<v Speaker 2>the word fascist means. You know, it is the state

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<v Speaker 2>control of the means of production. And that is exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what the left is all about. They are literally about

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<v Speaker 2>controlling every aspect of business. They are the definition of fascist.

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<v Speaker 2>But because Donald Trump is a charismatic leader, oh see,

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<v Speaker 2>like Barack Obama was there ergo he is hitler, he

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<v Speaker 2>to their own ignorance about factual definitions. But moving over,

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned something about the money that is required to

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<v Speaker 2>does take money. I've been saying this for years and years,

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<v Speaker 2>aren't they not? Are they not undermining their own business

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<v Speaker 2>model when they continue to attack free markets and business.

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<v Speaker 2>Generally speaking, they are advocating for putting themselves out of business,

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<v Speaker 2>because what advertisers are going to support that kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they're you know, you're assigning rationality to people who

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<v Speaker 1>of times politics and partisanship, and this goes across all you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, parties and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you get irrational, you're part of people don't

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<v Speaker 1>like money. Use this word but a mob in a sense,

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<v Speaker 1>not a violent mob. But you're just its group think.

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<v Speaker 3>And they they just think. Listen.

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<v Speaker 1>And the incentive is the incentives of the first Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump presidency. All the incentives for journalists was were to

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<v Speaker 1>be over the top. You've got ratings if you kept

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<v Speaker 1>saying that, you know, Trump was hitler. Think about this,

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<v Speaker 1>what report if you're a reporter is doing good tempered work.

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<v Speaker 1>You're doing you know, you're digging in, you're you're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're just doing your job. You're not going to get

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<v Speaker 1>a million followers. The person who has a million followers

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<v Speaker 1>is the one who's saying Donald Trump's going to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>make American to handmaid's tailor or whatever. That's the person

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<v Speaker 1>who gets all the attention. So all the incentives for

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<v Speaker 1>these people are to be over the top and to

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<v Speaker 1>talk that way. So until all of that changes, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure you know that they can change. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean maybe they'll be hurt, maybe not. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Times actually this pretty well, but the

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<v Speaker 1>Washington Post I think lost like seventy million dollars or

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, so they have they have.

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<v Speaker 1>These sugar daddies who back them, and that's fine. I mean, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>had happened, but it's not a good business model, as

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<v Speaker 1>you point out.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know. I don't know if they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to come to their senses. Nym.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, David Harsani, author of the book we're talking about today.

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<v Speaker 2>You can get a copy of it on my blog

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<v Speaker 2>page for you five KC dot com, The Rise of

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<v Speaker 2>bluing on. You can read into that the reason for

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<v Speaker 2>the title How the Democrats became a Party of conspiracy

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<v Speaker 2>theorist David. It has been a real pleasure having you on.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna encourage my listeners to get a copy of

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<v Speaker 2>the book, read it and thoroughly enjoy it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>let their friends read it. When they're done with it.

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<v Speaker 2>As I always encourage Dave, keep up the great work.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we're going to continue to read what you

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<v Speaker 2>write and all these media outlets that you write for.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been an enjoyable experience having you on the morning show,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know it's going to be a really enjoyable

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<v Speaker 2>experience reading your book or reading your book, The Rise

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<v Speaker 2>of bluing On. Have a wonderful day, my friend.

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<v Speaker 3>You two. Thanks for having me so much. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's eight twenty coming up on Jay Ry left bottom

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