WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.600 Oh it is just Tuesday. Can we get through this 2 00:00:02.680 --> 00:00:05.160 week fast enough? Coming up on the show? 3 00:00:06.480 --> 00:00:09.160 Do do do? Do? Do that? Done? 4 00:00:09.199 --> 00:00:09.400 There? 5 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:14.119 Uh yeah, okay, all right, I want. 6 00:00:14.000 --> 00:00:17.480 To make sure I have the most accurate information here, dude. 7 00:00:17.559 --> 00:00:23.960 I had the craziest conversation yesterday, and I uh like 8 00:00:24.160 --> 00:00:28.239 half of the conversation was just me talking to this individual, 9 00:00:29.800 --> 00:00:33.880 trying to figure out what I can say on the radio. 10 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:36.159 So as not. 11 00:00:36.200 --> 00:00:46.399 To promote the behavior but also highlight who this individual maybe. Okay, 12 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:50.799 I'm not trying to be secretive in any sense other 13 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:57.759 than I don't want to stop the flow of information. Okay, right, So, uh, 14 00:00:58.039 --> 00:01:02.119 I talked to somebody I have known for a very 15 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:05.640 long time, literally wrote notes here, hang on. 16 00:01:07.480 --> 00:01:09.239 My little phone thing here, all. 17 00:01:09.200 --> 00:01:11.560 Right, talk to somebody who I have known a very 18 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:20.319 long time, somebody who is who I trust, somebody who 19 00:01:20.319 --> 00:01:23.359 I don't want to get in trouble. But it was 20 00:01:23.439 --> 00:01:26.359 just a very fascinating point. And I have not even 21 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:27.200 told Ross this. 22 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:30.680 Yet because we're talking about other stuff this morning. 23 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:34.640 So there are. 24 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:39.920 I just want to make sure I'm gonna write I 25 00:01:39.959 --> 00:01:42.159 wrote this in a very specific way. 26 00:01:43.480 --> 00:01:45.280 Because I'm like that has to be on the air. 27 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:46.000 All right, here we go. 28 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:53.319 There are folks who work for the federal government now 29 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:58.079 who have worked for them for a while, who are 30 00:01:58.120 --> 00:01:59.000 dealing with. 31 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:08.039 You're out what the terminology is here. So I'm not 32 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:09.120 trying to be so cryptic. 33 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:15.000 I just want to be abundantly clear, but also to 34 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:17.879 quote unquote protect a source. And then you can choose 35 00:02:17.879 --> 00:02:20.680 to believe this or not. But it actually makes sense 36 00:02:20.719 --> 00:02:21.599 when you think about it. 37 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:23.159 All right, here we go. 38 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:26.520 So this is somebody who works for one of the 39 00:02:26.680 --> 00:02:32.759 federal law enforcement agencies who works in the cyber crime stuff, 40 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:35.879 and we'll leave it as generic as. 41 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.599 That, who. 42 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:43.039 Basically one of the things that they have not had 43 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:44.800 to deal with and now they're having to deal with 44 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:49.560 is moonbats. Right, So these are the key to cyber 45 00:02:49.599 --> 00:02:59.439 truck people who are attempting to manipulate AI for political purposes, 46 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:08.680 up to and including trying to train AI to call 47 00:03:08.879 --> 00:03:15.719 for the ouster or worse of people like Elon Musk 48 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:19.680 or Donald Trump or Republicans or any of the rest. 49 00:03:19.719 --> 00:03:24.240 And it was a fascinating conversation I had yesterday. But basically, 50 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:29.400 do you remember you remember the MS or excuse me, MSNBC, 51 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:35.000 Do you remember the Microsoft AI bought from years ago. 52 00:03:35.080 --> 00:03:38.560 We've talked about it on the show frequently, so back 53 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:40.199 in the day, and by back in the day, I 54 00:03:40.199 --> 00:03:45.680 mean like six seven, eight years ago. Microsoft created an 55 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:53.280 AI bought essentially an AI personality that they went and 56 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:58.759 put on Twitter, okay, and they put it on Twitter, 57 00:03:59.159 --> 00:04:04.879 and the way that it educated itself is through a 58 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:07.439 hashtag or no excuse me, it was a prompt of 59 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:11.719 some sort, but hashtag or an AT and they just 60 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:14.400 wanted to see and it was supposed to be a 61 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:18.560 quote unquote female AI and then they put it on Twitter, 62 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:21.160 and I just wanted to see, all right, So it's 63 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:24.839 on Twitter. It educates itself, and the way that it 64 00:04:25.839 --> 00:04:31.759 adds information is and people figured this out was through 65 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:36.319 an AT prompt and a hashtag. So if you added 66 00:04:36.480 --> 00:04:39.639 this things whatever its handle was and I don't remember, 67 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:45.160 and you hashtagged a certain thing, it was trained to 68 00:04:45.680 --> 00:04:49.759 use that combination there and then whatever you said as 69 00:04:49.839 --> 00:04:52.920 a training tool to be conversational. 70 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:55.199 And what happened. 71 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:59.240 What happened was Reddit or four chan or you know, 72 00:04:59.480 --> 00:05:02.439 somebody who out for a good time. And the lolls 73 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:07.680 figured this out and then they spent the day training it. 74 00:05:08.480 --> 00:05:11.800 So they would they would they would create a message 75 00:05:11.879 --> 00:05:17.800 that was like normal conversation, like, hey at Microsoft, you 76 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:21.240 know AI bought Hitler had a lot of good ideas, 77 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:23.600 and then they would do this over and over again. 78 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:27.879 And what happened was, within like half of a day, 79 00:05:28.879 --> 00:05:35.079 this thing was like racist af and we we've talked 80 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:38.639 about this on the show, so and it was. And 81 00:05:38.680 --> 00:05:41.519 then they left it up, which was crazy. It was 82 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:45.360 up for like sixteen hours or something, but within a 83 00:05:45.399 --> 00:05:49.399 few hours it was like the Holocaust didn't happen. Hitler 84 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:52.480 had some good ideas, you're an N word. I mean, 85 00:05:52.519 --> 00:05:58.800 it was just it was an absolute dumpster fire. And 86 00:05:58.879 --> 00:06:02.160 then uh and and apparently nobody at Microsoft could like 87 00:06:02.199 --> 00:06:04.600 go kick the cord out of the wall or whatever. 88 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:08.160 And you know we talked about on the show that 89 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:13.160 being said, now you have AI. Now you have all 90 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:14.720 the different versions out there. 91 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:21.639 So in addition to blocking traffic and screaming at town 92 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:26.319 halls and trying to figure stuff out, Uh, one of 93 00:06:26.360 --> 00:06:29.439 the things that is going on right now are these 94 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:34.079 learning attacks. And I just want to be clear, I'm 95 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:37.959 not a cybersecurity personnel, so like I had to ask 96 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:43.279 the question, like explain it to me. Again, like I'm three, 97 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:50.480 you have literal political bodies, animals, people who are protesters 98 00:06:51.120 --> 00:06:55.800 who are now not just you know, singing all the 99 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:58.800 music that we've loved. 100 00:07:00.160 --> 00:07:07.600 It's good stuffed. My orders are no shoot them. 101 00:07:07.920 --> 00:07:11.399 The wear day, no no stop all right, it's too 102 00:07:11.399 --> 00:07:13.199 early for executions anyway. 103 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:14.720 So not just that, but. 104 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:23.040 They are they are seeing people attempt to figure out 105 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:29.000 how to manipulate AI out excuse me, algorithms, and it's 106 00:07:29.079 --> 00:07:33.759 for political purposes, but also for very nefarious purposes. Dude, 107 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:36.879 this was a fascinating conversation. But then I thought about it. 108 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:39.399 I'm like, that actually doesn't surprise me. 109 00:07:41.439 --> 00:07:43.959 And and and you're not just it's not just a 110 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.439 discussion about like foreign entities, Like I actually get that, 111 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:54.399 but you have people on the left who are mass 112 00:07:54.439 --> 00:07:58.319 attacking and attempting to manipulate and and and just understand, 113 00:07:58.439 --> 00:08:01.920 I don't tend to know all the details, but it 114 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:05.480 actually makes sense to me. And I will tell you. 115 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:10.360 My source is somebody who I know very well and 116 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:14.920 have known very well for probably twenty years in their 117 00:08:15.800 --> 00:08:19.480 particular job that is sitting there and part of their 118 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:24.920 gig now is trying to figure out how political organizations 119 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:32.399 are attempting to manipulate AI, specifically grock chat, GTP and 120 00:08:32.480 --> 00:08:41.440 other US based things, and for very nefarious purposes. And 121 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:45.200 this is something that they work on in their federal 122 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:49.840 law enforcement capacity, even though they've you know, they've been 123 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:53.360 a digital person, but not really. I'm not trying to 124 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:56.080 be cryptic here. I'm just trying to abide by the 125 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:01.080 very specific parameters yesterday of this con station. But when 126 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:05.720 you think about it, I'm not surprised. I said, We've 127 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:07.840 had the discussion here on the show, and I said, 128 00:09:07.879 --> 00:09:12.840 you know, who, AI is more important than people realize. 129 00:09:13.120 --> 00:09:15.759 And I think now people are getting it. But when 130 00:09:15.799 --> 00:09:19.120 you're going when AI is eventually going to be probably 131 00:09:20.000 --> 00:09:24.759 menial jobs, but are really important things like training mechanisms, 132 00:09:25.919 --> 00:09:29.960 perhaps even parameters on figuring out what is or isn't 133 00:09:30.039 --> 00:09:35.000 legal for people who may have to talk to you know, 134 00:09:35.039 --> 00:09:37.960 in the past, they might they might query somebody within 135 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:41.879 the legal department for what they're doing. You have very 136 00:09:42.200 --> 00:09:46.840 organized groups and individuals who are at tempting to manipulate 137 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.679 what is now the training and the output. 138 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:52.600 Of various AI. 139 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:59.360 Tasks and or you know, things that fall in there. 140 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:06.039 It's really nefarious stuff and I did not realize, but 141 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:11.039 this individual literally from a management perspective, this is now 142 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:17.559 their gig, attempting to monitor people at groups, organizations, political organizations, 143 00:10:17.879 --> 00:10:21.879 moonbats in general, and even people on the right who 144 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:26.559 are attempting to now manipulate AI for the purpose of 145 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:33.120 winning political arguments or things that are more nefarious. Absolutely 146 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:36.279 blew my mind yesterday, And it all makes sense when 147 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:38.799 you think about it. I'm trying to get an interview 148 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:41.360 from somebody in there so I can be less cryptic. 149 00:10:41.440 --> 00:10:48.600 But it makes sense because you know, AI has fast 150 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:53.879 become a fill in for people actually attempting to digest 151 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:57.200 and understand information ross How many times have you been 152 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:00.679 on Twitter now where instead of somebody literally reading what's 153 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:04.960 going on, they just ask Rock and then they repost 154 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:07.759 the answer or twenty two people do it and then 155 00:11:07.799 --> 00:11:10.759 it's in a thread there and you realize that they 156 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:14.240 never really read or attempted to understand what the point is. 157 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:15.919 They just take Rock's word for it. 158 00:11:16.279 --> 00:11:17.720 No, it happens all the time, and I see this 159 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:19.840 now before you still have these burner accounts right like 160 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:22.919 these yes or these like farming. You see the video 161 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:25.360 of these like farming areas in China where it's like 162 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:28.320 just people in front of these all these phones, right, 163 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:30.360 and they're just be running all these different accounts. I 164 00:11:30.440 --> 00:11:33.679 just assume now that the opposition is using AI on 165 00:11:33.720 --> 00:11:36.440 these fake accounts. Yeah, this person where you'd be like, oh, 166 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:38.320 you're a bot, but you're sort of run by a person. 167 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:39.799 Now it's going to be like AI driven. 168 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:42.799 Yeah no, no, no, so there's AI, but there is clearly 169 00:11:42.879 --> 00:11:48.200 a motivated human individual and they are tempting to And like, 170 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:51.320 I guess I kind of get it, do you know 171 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:54.759 what I mean? Like I understand, because again, nothing's off 172 00:11:54.840 --> 00:12:00.159 limits if you think that you're the hero in the story. 173 00:12:00.240 --> 00:12:02.279 And we keep seeing this, you know, out of carb 174 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:04.360 swastika and this Jewish guy is truck. 175 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:06.600 I just kind of assumed this was happening, Like I don't. 176 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:10.080 Yeah, I totally did as well. And uh, like I 177 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:12.679 got a deep dive on this. And this is somebody 178 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:15.360 who works in a federal law enforcement agency who I 179 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:19.399 have known for decades, who this is now part of 180 00:12:19.440 --> 00:12:23.480 their job and they say that And it's not just 181 00:12:23.639 --> 00:12:28.759 like political moonbats in the US. It's China, it's Russia, 182 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:32.919 it's uh, you know, Eastern European hackers all the rest, 183 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:36.639 like the new there's a whole new game now in 184 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:42.759 attempting to and I understand it, to attempt to manipulate AI, 185 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:45.919 trusting on the fact that a lot of people, instead 186 00:12:45.919 --> 00:12:48.519 of doing research or attempting to understand things, are just 187 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:51.200 going to go, hey, you know, and then insert whatever the. 188 00:12:51.240 --> 00:12:55.320 AII is, Uh, what's this mean? What's going on here? 189 00:12:55.600 --> 00:12:59.279 And and now now they have to sit there and 190 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:00.080 monitor then. 191 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:06.399 That's it's kind of terrifying actually. 192 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:09.559 Even though even though manipulating the information is not new 193 00:13:10.200 --> 00:13:14.480 like we've seen, we've seen influenced groups that have attempted 194 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:18.080 to and to some extent or have been successful to 195 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:20.600 manipulate like Wikipedia. 196 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:21.759 And different sources like that. 197 00:13:23.679 --> 00:13:25.960 Because the way AI runs right now, it's not real 198 00:13:26.000 --> 00:13:29.720 AI because it runs off prompts, so it can't come up. 199 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:31.559 Because I had a whole conversation with Rock about this, 200 00:13:31.600 --> 00:13:34.720 because it's very curious, it was, and I was like 201 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:37.720 Rock one two or three, uh whatever, the latest one 202 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:40.519 is three, three, you know, and the thing was explaining 203 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:42.559 to you and I like started off with basic questions, 204 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:45.279 just curious how an answer like what are you? Where 205 00:13:45.279 --> 00:13:48.120 are you physically? Where are you? Where are you made of? 206 00:13:48.159 --> 00:13:49.360 How many people programmed? 207 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:49.600 You? 208 00:13:49.679 --> 00:13:49.840 Can? 209 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:51.399 You kid? Yeah? 210 00:13:51.440 --> 00:13:51.600 Yeah? 211 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:53.000 Yeah, but like you know, do you come up with 212 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:54.840 questions by yourself? And he's like, I'm actually like a 213 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:56.799 tool and you have to give me prompts and from 214 00:13:56.840 --> 00:13:58.639 there I go through all the data. Well, the problem 215 00:13:58.720 --> 00:14:01.399 is what data is it being fed? Because that's that's 216 00:14:01.440 --> 00:14:03.519 what the that's the answers that comes up with. So 217 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:06.200 you people that are just like searching, you're looking for groc, 218 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:08.080 and if Groc is giving you information, you're gonna be like, well, 219 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:10.360 there it is. It knows yeah, because it's been fed 220 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:13.799 that information repeatedly, so it believes that's a true source. 221 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:15.559 So that's a true answer to what you're looking for. 222 00:14:16.320 --> 00:14:20.639 So, according to the individual I talked to, their big 223 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:26.679 concern is literally farms disinformation farm. 224 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:28.360 Yeah, just feeding it information. 225 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:32.240 Feeding it, but feeding it information to manipulate whatever the 226 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:37.960 source is. And now this is from a federal line. 227 00:14:37.960 --> 00:14:40.120 I'm not gonna tell you which division. I'm sorry again, 228 00:14:40.240 --> 00:14:44.799 I'm sorry. I tried to nibble around the edges here, 229 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:48.840 so I wrote down what I can say. But specifically, 230 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:55.879 federal law enforcement agencies have tasked people with monitoring where 231 00:14:55.960 --> 00:14:58.919 all this stuff is coming from and it's nightmare fuel, 232 00:14:59.679 --> 00:15:04.279 and it's it's avasard. China is really bad at this. 233 00:15:04.399 --> 00:15:09.080 You have Russia, you have Venezuela and Cuba who apparently 234 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:13.159 do a lot of this. But what's more terrifying is 235 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:18.799 the big thing now is leftists, although there is some 236 00:15:18.919 --> 00:15:23.639 right but primarily leftists disinformation groups that are attempting to 237 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:28.840 manipulate AI during this training phase right here. And so 238 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:33.519 it's like and they do it through bot farms. They 239 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:35.679 do it through you know, in the same way that 240 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:40.159 you'd have people show up to hold a sign. It's 241 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:45.000 it's effective to go ahead and just have them online 242 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:48.320 doing stuff too, in the same like every you're on 243 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:50.240 Twitter and you just feel like you're dealing with a 244 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:53.039 bunch of bots that are are are giving you sad arguments. 245 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:56.320 Apparently it's more valuable to attempt to manipulate. 246 00:15:55.840 --> 00:15:56.559 A AAR like that. 247 00:15:58.320 --> 00:16:01.320 So you know, if you needed something else to be 248 00:16:01.519 --> 00:16:06.559 very very nervous about. And and and it's for two 249 00:16:06.600 --> 00:16:10.279 different reasons. One yeah, oh, oh, I'm sorry, all right, 250 00:16:10.279 --> 00:16:14.279 we'll take a break, be right back again. This is 251 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:18.759 I wrote down very specific things. And what's fascinating is 252 00:16:18.799 --> 00:16:21.200 and I'm actually going to contact somebody I know who's 253 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:25.840 a he's a writer for The Blaze and and probably 254 00:16:25.840 --> 00:16:26.799 get them on this thing. 255 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:29.559 But so, uh I So if you. 256 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:31.879 Guys don't know I have, I got a lot of 257 00:16:31.960 --> 00:16:40.080 law enforcement family uh in you know, sheriffs, US marshals. 258 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:42.279 The whole, the whole group. 259 00:16:42.399 --> 00:16:47.000 I have or had family members who worked in Yellowstone 260 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:51.120 as literally the chief chief law enforcement officer, my uncle 261 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:55.080 who's no longer there. But so with that in mind, 262 00:16:55.279 --> 00:17:01.679 I know some federal officers and yesterday I talked to 263 00:17:01.799 --> 00:17:06.359 one of them who works what Ross's favorite term, duly 264 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:12.160 appointed works in works for two different offices in the 265 00:17:12.160 --> 00:17:16.039 capacity of what they do, and we had a fascinating 266 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:23.319 conversation about how he and others are now turning their 267 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:28.720 attention to groups not just outside the US, which is 268 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:33.000 a whole thing. Their focus is groups in the US 269 00:17:33.079 --> 00:17:37.400 who are attempting to manipulate algorithms in AI, which I 270 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:42.079 was like, tell me more and so, and then through it, 271 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:42.839 I'm like, can. 272 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:44.119 I say that on the radio? 273 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:48.640 So I have a very specific list here, and it's 274 00:17:48.839 --> 00:17:52.920 it's like I understand it from a strategy standpoint, but 275 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:56.799 it's really It's one of these the ends justify the means, 276 00:17:56.799 --> 00:17:59.599 so you'll do whatever you're going to do, and society 277 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:03.119 and and what they're trying to accomplish be damned, which 278 00:18:03.160 --> 00:18:06.160 is why people think that they can stop their subaru, 279 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:10.240 double park it with their child seats in it, and 280 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:13.680 then get out and carve swastika in a tesla right 281 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.720 or on a tesla. We talked about this yesterday, which 282 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:20.240 by the way, that you know that whole thing with 283 00:18:20.359 --> 00:18:22.720 this dude who was you know, crying his eyes out 284 00:18:22.799 --> 00:18:29.119 like a little B word, he felt empowered to go ahead. 285 00:18:28.880 --> 00:18:29.359 And do that. 286 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:33.839 I mean, granted, once he got handcuffs on, he's like, 287 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:34.799 oh this sucks. 288 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:38.319 But like he overrode his. 289 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:43.880 He overrode his job and his life as a parent 290 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:47.359 right because he had he had two child seats in 291 00:18:47.400 --> 00:18:50.759 that subaru. And I think people are missing some of this. 292 00:18:51.079 --> 00:18:54.720 He in his mind felt it was worth committing a 293 00:18:54.799 --> 00:19:01.559 hate crime over continuing to be a per and somebody 294 00:19:01.559 --> 00:19:06.319 who raises his kids like that mentality over wrote it. 295 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:10.160 And so they're looking at people who I So my 296 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:15.519 theory is like Elon's telling these law enforcement agencies the 297 00:19:15.599 --> 00:19:22.400 people and I are attempting to manipulate how these ais 298 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:30.200 learn for the purpose of political payoff. That's my theory 299 00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:33.000 on this, he said, frankly, he wouldn't tell me that. 300 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:35.720 You know what what prompted He just said, So you 301 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:39.559 have federal law enforcement officers who, now this is what 302 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:44.279 they do. They're just trying to figure out how they're 303 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:47.720 screwing with it. And like I expect China and Russia to. 304 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:48.279 Screw with it. 305 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:54.279 But the fact that you have ai manipulation by you know, 306 00:19:54.440 --> 00:20:00.359 Antifa style leftist groups, and now you have to have 307 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:03.440 federal law enforcement officers who are just on this like 308 00:20:04.279 --> 00:20:07.640 they don't care about this tool and getting it right. 309 00:20:07.759 --> 00:20:12.279 They only care about it confirming that men should you know, 310 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:16.039 be in women's sports or whatever it is. And I 311 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:19.480 asked him, I said, is it is it moonbats from 312 00:20:19.559 --> 00:20:23.079 Portland right like the end to the Rose City Antifa people, 313 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:28.559 or do you do you believe that it is more 314 00:20:28.759 --> 00:20:31.640 mainstream political candidates and organizations. 315 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:32.680 And he wouldn't answer it. 316 00:20:35.839 --> 00:20:38.880 He said, We're looking at all different options, but I 317 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:41.359 will tell you that is home it is. It is 318 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:47.440 as home grown as it is from bad actors internationally. 319 00:20:49.440 --> 00:20:51.400 That is this is and I've said this on the 320 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:56.599 radio speculatively, but now you know, I trust this individual 321 00:20:56.680 --> 00:20:59.799 enough that I feel that one I was right as 322 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:03.079 I usually am, and Ross is because we're psychic, but 323 00:21:03.960 --> 00:21:05.480 like it's a whole new game man. 324 00:21:06.920 --> 00:21:08.599 And I said that it is. 325 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:10.839 So important to get out ahead of AI right now 326 00:21:10.839 --> 00:21:15.039 because it will embed itself in just about everything that 327 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:17.920 we do. And every day I'm getting more examples from 328 00:21:18.039 --> 00:21:22.079 the people who don't even read articles anymore. They just go, hey, Roc, 329 00:21:22.160 --> 00:21:22.519 tell me. 330 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:23.319 What's up with this? 331 00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:30.279 I think Rock tells them, but Roc doesn't always tell them, 332 00:21:30.359 --> 00:21:33.039 or or chat GTP doesn't always tell them accurately. 333 00:21:34.680 --> 00:21:36.319 You know, we've done stories where. 334 00:21:36.240 --> 00:21:39.079 Like you know, you're like you ask an AI a 335 00:21:39.160 --> 00:21:44.200 question and you're like, uh, dear AI, that's not right here. 336 00:21:44.319 --> 00:21:45.880 This is what's more right, and then. 337 00:21:45.799 --> 00:21:48.440 It will apologize to you what Ross was just telling 338 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:50.400 me something off the air where we had to correct Rock. 339 00:21:51.559 --> 00:21:54.480 And that's because we're in this learning stage. And so 340 00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:58.440 you have people, because the ends justify the means, that 341 00:21:58.519 --> 00:22:04.319 are willing to manipulate, destroy, and utilize these tools for 342 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:09.000 their political purposes. And now you have folks within federal 343 00:22:09.039 --> 00:22:10.799 law enforcement that are trying to figure out how to 344 00:22:10.839 --> 00:22:11.559 get a handle on it. 345 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:12.799 And I. 346 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:19.519 Told you not to be super right, but that's what 347 00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:24.480 we are here on this show, super right. And uh yeah, 348 00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:26.440 all right, so somebody just send me an email. No, no, no, 349 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:28.920 this is like this whole thing. Like I had a 350 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:32.519 very long conversation with this individual because he actually called 351 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:35.279 over something else, something family matters, and then we just 352 00:22:35.319 --> 00:22:37.240 hadn't talked in a while, and then I just went 353 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:42.960 down a rabbit hole. All right, So listener, email asking 354 00:22:43.000 --> 00:22:45.519 AI to write code or a macro for a spreadsheet. 355 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:50.119 You could be hacking yourself. Yes, absolutely, this is this. 356 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:53.839 Is what people are concerned about and who's manipulating it. 357 00:22:53.880 --> 00:22:58.680 And again I just assumed it's China Rush, you know, 358 00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:02.279 some of his Eastern Europeans with the hacking, like Romania 359 00:23:02.599 --> 00:23:07.920 and Moldova, But it's it's happening just as much among 360 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:10.039 Moonbat organizations. 361 00:23:10.519 --> 00:23:16.319 One of the one of the very popular slices of 362 00:23:16.359 --> 00:23:17.559 the pie is. 363 00:23:19.279 --> 00:23:22.559 Not you know, not necessarily just Antifa, but like these 364 00:23:22.640 --> 00:23:26.720 pro Hamas groups and and others. You know, you think 365 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:29.519 of like we just talked yesterday about the the houthis 366 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:32.799 right there. They're sitting there on the Arabian Peninsula, hanging 367 00:23:32.799 --> 00:23:37.039 out in Yemen, fire and spud guns at US ships, 368 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:39.160 although a bunch of them aren't now because you don't 369 00:23:39.160 --> 00:23:43.440 do that or Donald Trump and golf clothes will come 370 00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:49.000 turn you to mist but like more organized versions of that, 371 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.799 and these bad actors are willing to manipulate and this 372 00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:55.640 is this is what they're having to work on now. 373 00:23:57.400 --> 00:24:01.880 It's all the worst case scenario stuff we talked about. So, yeah, 374 00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:05.319 what is this? Uh, it used to be don't click 375 00:24:05.359 --> 00:24:08.960 on that, don't download attachments, spam checkers, firewalls. Now we 376 00:24:09.000 --> 00:24:16.720 have to protect ourselves from ourselves. Yes, absolutely absolutely. I 377 00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:20.359 came I came away from that conversation extremely uncomfortable yesterday, 378 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:25.599 but not like all together surprised. I was more surprised 379 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:28.480 that it's it's not just China and North Korea and 380 00:24:28.519 --> 00:24:33.160 the rest, but like you've you've had these essentially these 381 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:36.160 uh you know, these far left groups, these communist groups 382 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:38.839 that have embraced this stuff and now they're trying to 383 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:44.240 manipulate it. Will they will they be successful? Well, look, 384 00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:48.680 everything's a learning curve right now. Elon Musk obviously is 385 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:51.119 a very smart dude, and the rest of these cats 386 00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:53.160 that are working on it, whether they're political or not, 387 00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:57.079 are are smart guys. But I don't think anyone knows 388 00:24:58.480 --> 00:25:03.440 one hundred percent how this whole part of training AI 389 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:07.400 is going to work out. And that's why you have 390 00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:10.799 things like what happened with Microsoft where they had this 391 00:25:11.240 --> 00:25:14.279 the the you know, the chat Buddy. The chat Buddy 392 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:17.680 was a Twitter account who a bunch of you know, 393 00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:21.039 dudes on Reddit or four Chan within twelve hours, were 394 00:25:21.079 --> 00:25:23.680 able to figure out how to turn into you know, 395 00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:27.400 a combination of Hitler and David Duke, and they did 396 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:29.880 it for lolls. They didn't do it because they were 397 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:32.880 trying to you know, rule the political conversation. They just 398 00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:36.319 thought it was really funny if the Microsoft AI was 399 00:25:36.359 --> 00:25:36.759 like you know. 400 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:42.440 Yeah, Hitler had a lot of good ideas. 401 00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:46.839