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Speaker 1: Made uh Saint John O Peace sunny sund On, I

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hadurdasion night.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, welcome to for crying out loud. It's Friday.

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I hope you guys are all doing well. Guess who's

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still in the house.

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Speaker 1: Three days later.

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Speaker 2: John Taylor from Deuran Duran.

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Speaker 1: Same clothes I was wearing on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Do you know that people still think that you actually

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are the John Taylor from Deuran Duran. There was a

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few I enjoy that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know rockstar salary.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so you know what, let's let us let's say

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hello to our people. Let's get that done early. We

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got Jacob. He's so growley, We love him. He's amazing.

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Sandra's not he's being green. Jennifer, get up, Aaron, you're dirty, Sanche,

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Sarah Sefano, you're our Prisidano. Leslie, stop coughing already. Alicia

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Escalante from the City of a Monte. Kelly Brant, She'll

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take you to Planned Parenthood. Rebecca to show cute Eshan Vashpeactually,

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Missy and Gabby up to no good. Katerina check that bowler, Valerie,

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Bubba Fenwick hits it out of the park. Polly, you

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love your pancakes, Rita, you're rocking with Elizabeth Williamson's goddamn

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lot of kids in your Basinette, Nikki, call your girls,

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Katie's rolling on a Kelly Latia, and Dick is frolicking boom.

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What are you up to these days? John Taylor, we

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freakin forgot to plug your YouTube. Now I'm gonna spill

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the beans on what.

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Speaker 1: You're up to ONH Well, like like so many people

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in television producers, I don't know if people out there know,

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but basically the TV industry is imploded over the last

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four or five years thanks to streaming, so pretty much

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every TV producer is either jumped off to become a

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child and family therapist, a teacher, a realtor, or you know.

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The really unimaginative among us are like, well, I still

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am going to produce TV. I'm just going to do

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it for YouTube. So I'm in that last category.

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Speaker 2: But so see, why do you always like hit this

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with like from a negative.

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Speaker 1: Perspective, Well, it's it's.

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Speaker 2: Need to have a little bit of optimism.

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that everybody I know is going

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into basically four trenches, and I enjoy this because yeah,

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but Why do.

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Speaker 2: You think it's like taking an L Like it's it's.

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Speaker 1: Taken an L. It's it's the alternative because you know,

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streaming has basically.

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Speaker 2: I understand, but instead of thinking of it as like, oh,

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I'm forced to do this thing, how about like you

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get to work for yourself.

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Speaker 1: I like that. I just wanted to complain a little

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bit because it feels good sometimes. I know, I like

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to complain a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I love to complain. You know that you have you

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met me.

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Speaker 1: The entire the entire team industry is melted down. People

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are leaving Hollywood. We've been to many going away parties

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of people I've worked with for thirty years.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we have.

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Speaker 1: But I'm a cock eyed optimist. I'm like, I'm just

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gonna pivot over to YouTube, which is and you know,

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it's interesting, and I'm basically I'm working with primarily one

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of my favorite bosses from years gone by, who is

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sort of spearheading this. And there are about four of

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us who are documentary unscripted TV producers who are We're

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trying to put together something called documentary TV on YouTube,

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and each of us are sort of doing different verticals underneath.

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That's sort of the parent and I'm doing a vertical

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called History in a Hurry. Right now, there's only one thing,

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and I think we've talked about it, or you've talked

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about it on the air. There are a bunch that

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are sort of ingestation right now. It's the issue is

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I am personally a terrible editor. So I'm trying to

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rely on the kindly assistance of a number of editors

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that I work with who are sort of taking time

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to help me get these things done. But they require

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graphics and what have Kalen.

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Speaker 2: Have you taught yourself how to video edit? Pretty well?

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Speaker 3: I mean the editing I do is for podcasts, so

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it's not like real editing. You know, it's mostly just

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Speaker 1: So see I can. I mean, being a.

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Speaker 3: Real like movie or content editor is different than just

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podcast adding. But yes, I did teach myself how to

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Speaker 1: And yeah, Premiere is, Yeah, Premiere is a little bit easier.

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you look at just even that little silly thing that's up,

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you know, masters the year History in a Hurry, If

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you look at the edit program for that, it's you know,

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it is like six video layers and five audio layers

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Speaker 2: So you've got to get that a little bit simplified.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've got to get that simplified, and we've

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Speaker 2: But we can't be spending like weeks and months.

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Speaker 1: No video getting a pep talk on air. But that's

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true I need But anyway, so big picture is it's

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a it's a big History channel that we're trying to

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launch on on YouTube. The sort of the virtue of

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it's been going on for years now. But all of

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us who are doing this among you know, having worked

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for Discovery and HBO and CNN or whatever, everybody's done

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a lot of History Channel programming back when it really

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was the History Channel, and that was you know, it

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was a lot of fun in the nineties and the

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early two thousands. You know, you'd have enough budget to

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go shoot in Europe and shoot with aging Nazis and

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then come back and shoot with the Americans. That but

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that all kind of went away. But then the kind

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of the upside of that is a lot of the

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people who used to watch the History Channel long ago

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went to YouTube, and now they watch YouTube documentaries and

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and so we're sort of trying to race to catch

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up to that audience that's on YouTube and sort of

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provide them with a little bit updated. I mean, because

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some of the stuff that was on the History Channel

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back you know, twenty five years ago was a little slow.

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attitude and a little pace and a little you know, humor,

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a little humor to it. And that's why, you know,

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one of the verticals I'm doing is called History in

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a Hurry, and it's kind of an over cranked history.

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The idea that we'll tell you the story of anything

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from you know, Hitler's vengeance weapon program to the entire

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start to World War Two in ten minutes, twelve minutes,

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fifteen minutes and do it with you know, a lot

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of serious history, but kind of a little bit of

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a tongue in cheek tone.

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Speaker 2: And now right now, it's a little bit hard to

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find documentary dot TGV dot Now.

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Speaker 1: No, it's a I'll you know, I'll put a bit ley.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but without the bit ley, how can people find it?

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Speaker 1: It's a Documentary TV, Documentary dot TV on YouTube, and

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underneath Documentary TV, there's a playlist called History in a

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Hurry of everybody who's very kind when you mentioned that

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first one, everybody put History in a Hurry, And they're

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a couple sort of dormant channels called History in a

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But the idea is that once we get bigger, all

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of these things will get higher in the search algorithm.

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one of these things that it takes and Kaylin certainly

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knows this better than I do. It takes a while

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to build up your subscriber base, It builds a you,

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it takes a while for the algorithm to find you.

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And we're kind of working hard at that right now.

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You're you and your dad are way ahead of us.

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Speaker 3: You well, you know, my dad's a famous actor. It's

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that a lot of people really love from his movies

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in the eighties and nineties that they grew up with.

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So we are a bit different in terms of getting

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Speaker 2: We've you know, people love war though.

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Speaker 3: And people do love war.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you love Ficksburg. There's a lot of Fredericksburg fans.

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Speaker 1: Did your dad ever see any combat? Was he ever

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in the ship? Would he like to pretend to be

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and maybe do a little crossover.

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Speaker 3: Pretend the kids do any time? Yeah, A couple from

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the Rock. He was really in the ship.

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Speaker 2: There, there you go, he was in the Rock.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 2: John Tell tell everybody about how much I love the Rock.

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Speaker 1: Oh, Steph is weird. She doesn't love action films across

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the board, but the ones she loves. She loves the

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Speaker 2: You made me watch it. You made me watch it

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many many years, loved I watched it and then I

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was like, this is like the greatest movie ever. I

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was like, let's watch it again, like two minutes later,

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and he's like, I don't know. Now, I'm good for

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like ten years.

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Speaker 1: I'm good for a couple of years. You also love

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Brave Heart. I did love Braveheart, but yeah, you you

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loved Brave Heart. You love the Rock. It's just you're

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very hit and miss and action films with the ones

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you like. You're like, I can watch that again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's watch well, because I've by the time I've

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finished watching it, I've kind of forgotten what happened, exactly

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what happened, but you have always been John. Let me

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tell you something about John and history. He knows everything

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about history. And one of our early it wasn't an

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early date, but we took a trip. We went to

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San Luis, Obisco. Oh big sirry, Yeah, and you told

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me about I was like, tell me about how what what?

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World War two? I don't totally get it. And you

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were like, okay, let me I think you.

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Speaker 1: Said something like you're like, well, just just to review,

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we went into World War two to save the Jews, right.

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It was like, not, that wasn't exactly really what we

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, I was raised on, you know,

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learning a lot about the Holocaust, and I was very

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unpleasantly surprised to learn that, like, we didn't really give

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a shit about the Jews.

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Speaker 1: Well it was it was more complicated than that, but

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it was we certainly did not. I mean, we stayed

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out of World War two for two years because isolationists

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like John F. Kennedy's dad Joe, did not want us

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in the war. And we had a very fierce anti

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war faction in this country called America first, that was

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where it came from.

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Speaker 3: Well, we were kind of I'm basing this solely off

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boxes now an episode of Band of Brothers. This is

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a show that I love and I we watch it

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all the time. It's fantastic.

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Speaker 2: But there's one of John's favorite favoritementary.

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Speaker 3: It's so good.

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Speaker 2: But they do it.

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Speaker 1: It's not a documentary, might as well be it's it's

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it's close enough.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, they stumble upon a concentration camp and they're

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like surprised, They're like, what is this place? And so

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it feels like they kind of found it by accident,

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like they didn't even know that.

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Speaker 1: In real I mean, that was and it's interesting because

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that was one of the few things in Band of

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Brothers that was actually they were very very loyal to

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the book Band of Brothers, and that was the one

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of those miniseries that was really based on a single book.

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But they the one thing was was that that Easy

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camps as they because they wanted leib got to go see.

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but yeah, a lot of the rank i mean US

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intelligence knew about the death camps by the middle of

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the war, I mean we knew.

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Speaker 2: From it only by the middle of the war.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we knew. I mean, it was publicly

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and they were persecuting the Jews, and you know, the

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existence of crystal knocked was known around the world by

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nineteen thirty eight. So it wasn't like you had tons

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of Jewish refugees fleeing Germany in the thirties and what

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happened to them, Well, there were a couple of this,

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sent back because we would not take all of those immigrants.

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Speaker 2: But so pretty crazy, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was notes, there's a there's a there's a really

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grim you know, they're always I mean, well, it's the Holocaust.

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a lot of stories from you know, the US side

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that are a little a little sad as well, or

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very sad, but not thats not all. But by the

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middle of the war, we were aware, I mean, you know,

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we had a lot of reconnaissance. We knew what the

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death camps were, we knew where they were. We thought

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about bombing them, you know. There there was discussion of,

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you know, should we put them out of their misery

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that type of thing, and.

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Speaker 2: But wow, I didn't know this well.

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Speaker 1: We thought about bombing the death camps, but it was

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I'd have to review exactly what the logic was, but

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we opted not to. But we were aware by the

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middle of the war that they were systematic, i mean

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systemically killing the Jews. But that was not was the

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war four years. The war was thirty nine to forty five.

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We were in it from forty one to forty five.

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was going on longer.

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Speaker 1: It started in thirty nine, got it. We stayed out

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of it. It was mostly I mean Britain was all alone

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by the time the Nazis conquered you know, France and

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Poland and Holland and Belgium. It was like, you know,

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Winston Churchill was standing alone going f you It was.

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It was a pretty hairy time.

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Speaker 2: But wow, and the British are not still mad at

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us for that.

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Speaker 1: We came in I mean during that time, we were

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through Lendley's We were shipping them Ammo and guns across

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the Atlantic. That's why we had convoys. We were sort

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of the quote unquote arsenal of democracy. But we didn't

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we didn't jump in it. And I mean, you know,

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to this day, there's still a giant debate did Franklin

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Delan R. Roosevelt know that the Japanese were about to

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bomb Pearl Harbor and did he let it happen because

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that was the only thing that was going to Because

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Franklin Roosevelt wanted to get into World War two to assist.

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You know, it was like we have two large fascist

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powers in Japan and Germany that you know it's not

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going to end. Well, we need to help. But the

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sentiment in this country was, you know, fifty to fifty

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at best, maybe less to get into the war because

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World War One had been traumatic and that was only

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twenty years before, and so FDR. There's still a huge

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debate did FDR because there were so many hints that

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the Japanese were getting ready to do something either was

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it going to be in the Philippines? Was it? So

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to this day there's a big theory that FDR knew

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that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked, and he

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let it happen because that was the only way that

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American sentiment could be turned toward going to war.

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Speaker 2: So of it, And is that what happened? Like right

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after Pearl Harbor.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we immediately went we declared war on Japan. And

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the day after we declared war on Japan, Hitler declared

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war on US. So, oh really not a smart move.

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The little corporal was not always the most strategic man

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in the world.

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Speaker 2: I didn't even know that. Did you know that, Kitlin?

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Speaker 3: I didn't know that. But I have heard that the

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Nazis were on tons of drugs.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well the Nazis fought World War two on meth. Yeah.

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They basically they created meth amphetamine was synthesized in Germany,

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and their troops were cranked up on meth. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I heard they would give more more meth to the

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people on the front lines, like the tank commanders and stuff.

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They would give more meth to them than like.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes it. I mean enough meth will make

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you fearless, not feel hungry. And you know particularly, I

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mean that most of the war was fought in Russia.

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I mean, people have no idea that, you know, the

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US we lost, I mean it's huge, but we lost

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half a million people in World War Two. The Russians

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lost forty times that. They lost twenty million people. They

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lost twenty million soldiers in World War two and another

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fifteen million to twenty million civilians. So the Russians lost They.

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Speaker 3: Lost like one million in just that one battle of

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the Stalingrad.

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Speaker 1: Oh they lost more. I mean, the Russians just kept

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funneling people into Stalingrad. And you know, there's a it's

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a it's just it was, you know, curse Stalingrad, Gates

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of Moscow, it's all of these things were just intually

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bigger than almost any fight that took place on the

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Western Front.

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Speaker 2: So when so when we declared war? Why did we

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declare war? Why did Germany declare war on us? Because

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Germany and Japan were fighting together the.

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Speaker 1: Powers they had, they had an alliance. The primary the

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axis was Italy, Italy, Germany, and and Italy was sort

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of the weak sister, but Japan was powerful in the Pacific,

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and Germany was dominant in Europe, and they you know,

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Hitler was just I mean, Hitler was incredibly. I mean,

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he had built the biggest military in the world, and

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so he was like, okay, you know he in four

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they conquered. They fought in World War One, it took

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four years to come to almost a stalemate against France.

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Flash forward to World War Two. Suddenly you've got Germany

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rolled over France and days it was just like boom,

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they cut through them like butter and just everybody was

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falling to This new was called Blitzgrig, this new mechanized

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and so it was it was just Hitler was like,

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check me out. But then finally he's like, okay, next

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thing we do, We're gonna invade England. But to do

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that they had to be because they'd have to cross

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the Channel. They needed to win the air and the

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air battle over Britain was the Battle of Britain, and somehow,

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you know, seven hundred fighter pilots from Britain beat twenty

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two hundred fighter and bomber pilots from England. It was

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kind of an upset and Hitler couldn't invade Germany. So

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I'm sorry Hitler couldn't invade England. And so Hitler like

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takes a pause and he's like fuck, it, Let's invade Russia,

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and Russia's like this, you know, massive giant. Nobody's ever

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conquered Russia. I mean Napoleon lost it trying, and so

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Hitler just rolls into Russia and that's you know, after that,

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things start to go horrifically wrong. But he's already in Russia.

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He's already you know, been turned back at Moscow when

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when Japan invades our Bomb's Pearl Harbor, but Hitler doesn't blank.

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He's like, I'm declaring war on America.

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Speaker 3: So at that point, but you speaking of Band of Brothers,

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did you watch the recent Apple TV show The Air

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Masters of Air, which is good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I tried to worry. I was working for Playtone when

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that was in basically in pre production, and I begged

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to try to get on it. But I was working

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for Playtone for a documentary and that was very much

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a scripted so and my dad actually that was my

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dad's war. My dad flew in b seventeens and I saw.

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Speaker 3: A couple episodes of it, but I didn't. I didn't

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watch the whole thing.

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Speaker 1: It's it's worth watching, I mean.

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Speaker 3: It's sometimes Austin Butler bugs me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I the thing with that was and it

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was kind of fascinating because I mean Band of Brothers

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was perfect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Then there was ten years later. Band of Brothers

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was this giant HBO series in two thousand and one,

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two thousand and two, and it was absolutely it's too

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mini series with the sopranos is to you know series,

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It's absolutely perfect. Then ten years later they did it

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with the Pacific War, but they did it from three

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different books and it was a little scattered and it

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was a little harder to follow. It was great, but

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it wasn't absolutely perfect. And then flash forward to about

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twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, the same group, Gary Getzman and

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Steven Spielberg, they decided to do a third one and

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this one they want to do on the eighth Air

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Force sort of the other sort of make it a trilogy.

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But by this point, by this point, it's just too

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you know, it's getting incredibly expensive. Pacific didn't make money,

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and you can sort of see they HBO finally chickened

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out when I believe when it got to about three

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hundred million dollars budget and it went into turnaround for

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a couple of years, and then Apple TV went, what's

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three hundred million to us, that's just a few iPhones,

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So they picked it up. But I think I don't know,

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but you can almost see because I know some of

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the guys that that did it, and they, you know,

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the way that they did Band of Brothers. There was

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not a famous face in that. They're like, we're going

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to really cast it, do I think.

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Speaker 2: Ron Livingstone was pretty famous.

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Speaker 1: No Swingers was his biggest but they so they really did,

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they really made it exactly the way they want to

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make it. I have a feeling, and again I don't

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have anything to back this up, but when you see

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the faces that are in Masters of the Air, I

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mean these are you know, Austin Butler and what's what's

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his name? Dua Lipa's boyfriend was the other These are

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all very I mean, my lbie was was very excited

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to watch Masters there because it was you know, heart

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throbs all over the place. And I exactly I think

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that I think that they definitely were told by Apple

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TV going Okay, if we're going to put three hundred

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and fifty million in, we want to see some promotable

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stars in this. So they tried to or they had

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to put some bigger faces in so it was a

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Speaker 2: But then you also had a story which we can

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talk about that that has been a podcast by the way,

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which I've listened to several times. But you then told

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me the story, like do you know about this guy

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trying to get me to kind of create and sort

476
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,400
of flesh out the idea. And I was like, Okay,

477
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,960
we could do something called Dark Century, which sort of

478
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:11,839
the darkest underbelly of the stuff that people don't know,

479
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,799
like MK Ultra and Operation paper Clip, where we you know,

480
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,880
brought hundreds and hundreds of hardcore Nazis into this country.

481
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,799
Speaker 2: But yeah, the problem that you're about to have is

482
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:24,400
that you're going to tell us this stuff and all

483
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,119
of our listeners are going to be like, yes, please

484
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,319
do that show, and you're going to be like, what happened?

485
00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:30,079
What did you do to me?

486
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,640
Speaker 1: No? No, no, but no, I've always kind of been

487
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,480
fascinated with There's a guy, sort of a knock around

488
00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:41,440
guy from the CIA who was at is sort of

489
00:25:41,839 --> 00:25:46,759
in his heyday between the fifties and the early seventies,

490
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,359
And it depends who you talk to. I mean, they're

491
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:57,039
the opinions of his involvement and his capabilities just run

492
00:25:57,079 --> 00:26:00,440
the gamut. E Howard Hunt was either you know, if

493
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,599
you talk to a number of people, he was just

494
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,200
completely opposer and incompetent, And if you talked to a

495
00:26:07,279 --> 00:26:10,599
number of other people, he was kind of the missing

496
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:15,039
link between the Kennedy assassination and the Bay of Pigs

497
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:16,519
and Watergate.

498
00:26:16,799 --> 00:26:21,079
Speaker 3: So it's even ask you as the CIA killed Kennedy.

499
00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: Right, it's a big theory the Cubans. I mean, there's

500
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,039
a there's a big theory that the Cubans killed Kennedy

501
00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:31,480
that I think, you know, if you were really to

502
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:34,640
excavate one rabbit hole, that would probably be the one

503
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,680
that I choose to excavate. Because the Cubans were just

504
00:26:40,079 --> 00:26:42,119
enraged over the Bay of Pigs, and I mean we

505
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,720
really did just absolutely rat fuck them. I mean, we

506
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,759
built them up, and we had all of these Cuban

507
00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:53,599
expatriots and we had them invade Cuba with the promise

508
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:58,400
that the CIA would would basically bring in air support,

509
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:01,799
and we chicken out and we didn't. We just let

510
00:27:01,839 --> 00:27:04,319
them die on the beaches. And there were a lot

511
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:08,480
of very conservative anti Castro Cubans that were just and

512
00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:10,599
it with Kennedy was president during the Bay of Pigs,

513
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,160
so it was they were just you know, ready to

514
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,519
absolutely and a lot of those Cubans were, you know,

515
00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:22,079
deeply emeshed once they got into this country with organized

516
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,440
crime and you know, the mafia. And I would say,

517
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,960
you know, if you really wanted to try to come

518
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:34,359
up with the best conspiracy theory that might actually have

519
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:36,079
some meat on the bone, I would go with the

520
00:27:36,079 --> 00:27:40,480
Cubans more than the CIA. But the CIA was deeply

521
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,680
involved with the Cubans because they were the ones that

522
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:46,400
sponsored the Bay of Pigs. There's again named Richard Bissell

523
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,640
who was the deputy director of the CIA who completely

524
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:55,119
engineered the whole Bay of Pigs. But E Howard Hunt was,

525
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,799
you know, he was involved in all of that. Either,

526
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,799
again it depends who is telling his story. Some people

527
00:28:00,839 --> 00:28:04,240
say he was deeply involved and he at least knew

528
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,559
who killed Kennedy, whether it was CI, a, Cubans, Russians,

529
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:15,160
single gunman, you name it. But he was also you know,

530
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,319
one of the guys that was part of the White

531
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:21,279
House Plumbers and they've done.

532
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 2: He came up in that show that we watched about the.

533
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:29,079
Speaker 1: Woody Harrelson played him and in that depiction, and and

534
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,240
there's there's a lot of credence that this may be.

535
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:37,000
You know, he was very you know, very insecure about

536
00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:41,240
you know, being on the outer outside of power and

537
00:28:42,039 --> 00:28:44,759
just being a bad penny that was being circulated after

538
00:28:44,759 --> 00:28:49,119
he left the CIA. And uh and again they've they

539
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:52,200
had him paired with g. Gordon Liddy. G Gordon Liddy

540
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:56,119
was out of his mind, according to everybody. And uh,

541
00:28:56,319 --> 00:29:02,240
but Howard Hunt may again and he he allegedly on

542
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:08,119
his deathbed he told his son everything he knew. Now,

543
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,720
whether this is true or been legend, we don't know.

544
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:13,119
But his son is still alive. And I always thought

545
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:16,400
it would be kind of fascinating to try to get

546
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,079
his son to sit down and just talk to his

547
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:22,160
son and go, Okay, who really was your dad? Because

548
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:25,880
you know, there are so many stories about him that

549
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,160
you know, fill up different accounts. Was he, you know,

550
00:29:30,359 --> 00:29:36,880
just this sort of outer ring CIA poser or was

551
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:42,119
he this you know, wetwork, deep cover guy who had

552
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,839
his hand in everything. But it's just, you know, there

553
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,160
are a lot of people that are you know, weave through.

554
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:51,039
Also there's sort of like a little bit like Zellieg

555
00:29:51,079 --> 00:29:53,799
or Forrest Gump, where they happen to be around so

556
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,599
many crazy things over the years. It's like he was there,

557
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:57,400
he was there, he was there.

558
00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: What if you had a podcast called Outlier and it

559
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,839
was like all these people throughout like history, stuff that

560
00:30:06,119 --> 00:30:08,119
you know, not a lot of people know about that

561
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,160
you get interviews with.

562
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: It'd be interesting. I mean, I think you'd have to

563
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:17,160
find a connective tissue just but it would be interesting.

564
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:19,319
But I kind of like Dark Century more I liked.

565
00:30:19,839 --> 00:30:22,000
I liked to because there's so many you know. The

566
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,640
idea is that after World War Two sort of the

567
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,920
powers that may mean we were a we because we

568
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,519
were paranoid about the Cold War because we suddenly had

569
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:36,559
unprecedented power after you know, after World War Two was over,

570
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:40,000
we were an industrial giant. We had tons of money,

571
00:30:40,079 --> 00:30:44,079
we had a giant military. The country was untouched. You know,

572
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,200
we had not been bombed, Our infrastructure was We just

573
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,680
went bananas, and you know, we were so scared of

574
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,680
Russia that everything was on the table and we just

575
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,039
you know, we.

576
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 2: Did Why were we scared of Russia.

577
00:30:56,119 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: Because they by nineteen forty nine had the atomic bomb.

578
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:03,640
We were in the Cold War against them, Stalin was

579
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:08,279
arguably as murderous and nutty as Hitler had been. So

580
00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:11,759
they had been our very uneasy ally in World War Two,

581
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:15,440
and suddenly they are suddenly they wanted all of Europe

582
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,440
and we wanted to protect Europe, or we wanted sovereignty

583
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,440
and markets in Europe. They're different ways to tell that story.

584
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:26,319
But it was just we were absolutely, you know, terrified

585
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,359
of a nuclear I mean, we had the bomb in

586
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,119
forty five, Russia had the bomb by forty nine, and

587
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,640
it's you know, it's hard to overstate how terrified we were.

588
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,319
I mean, suddenly kids are in schools doing duck and

589
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:43,000
cover drill I remember, and you know, there was just

590
00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:44,720
a giant paranoid.

591
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 2: We were doing that in the early seventies.

592
00:31:46,079 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was modified then because we were

593
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:52,119
a little but the paranoia that was existing in the

594
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:56,279
early seventies multiplied that by ten. For nineteen fifty, I.

595
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,759
Speaker 2: Was really scared of nuclear war, as you like to

596
00:31:59,759 --> 00:32:01,400
prenounce a nuclear.

597
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: Bush me George bush Mey.

598
00:32:05,359 --> 00:32:08,119
Speaker 2: But in the early seventies, yeah, when I was a

599
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,640
little kid, that was I was terrified. That was we

600
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:11,759
talked about it all the time.

601
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: It came really wasn't there. At one point there was

602
00:32:13,759 --> 00:32:16,839
a Russian nuclear sub and there was one guy on

603
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,240
the submarine that refused to launch a nuke and three

604
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:21,400
other like they were about to. And it was one

605
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:21,880
guy that.

606
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,599
Speaker 2: Was the the something crisis.

607
00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:26,279
Speaker 1: Well, there were a couple in nineteen eighty three. I mean,

608
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:28,680
it's in a lot of these things. In nineteen eighty three,

609
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,880
the Russians thought that we were All of their early

610
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:40,839
detection stuff was apparently going off in error, and there

611
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,640
was one lieutenant colonel who refused to launch, and you know,

612
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,359
had he launched, he would have launched. I believe this

613
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,000
was on land. I don't think it was sub but

614
00:32:52,079 --> 00:32:55,160
it could be wrong. But he refused to launch, and

615
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:58,720
had he launched, we would have, you know, just salvoed

616
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:02,400
all of our ICBM in the Upper Midwest and that

617
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:07,559
would have been it. We'd be so mutual destruction, Yeah,

618
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:11,000
mutual assured m AD and mutual assured destruction. Yeah. That

619
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:15,240
was there still a threat. Yeah, I mean, we still

620
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:18,039
have most of our warheads aimed at China and Russia,

621
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:21,079
and China and Russia still have most of their warheads

622
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:24,720
aimed at US. So in theory, I mean the idea

623
00:33:25,039 --> 00:33:25,640
that's gone.

624
00:33:25,759 --> 00:33:27,759
Speaker 2: Now we're all run by crazy people.

625
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll be fun for the next four years. Yeah,

626
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,440
we've got an unstable Putin who's seventy two, may not

627
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:38,200
live that much longer, You've got Yeah, it's it's very unstable.

628
00:33:38,319 --> 00:33:42,799
But you hope. The big thing is that you still

629
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,519
hope that everybody who has their finger on the on

630
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:49,720
the on the atomic buttons are or the nuclear buttons

631
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,799
are governed by I know, if I push this, I'm

632
00:33:54,799 --> 00:33:58,160
going to die myself. And so there's so much, you know,

633
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:02,559
so much overkill. We've got, you know, three thousand warheads,

634
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:05,799
they've got five thousand warheads. You know, it's enough to

635
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,840
basically radiate the planet and elimitate. So you hope that

636
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,599
there are rational actors, which has always been why everybody's

637
00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:18,679
so terrified about, you know, religious extremists getting hold of

638
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,559
nuclear weapons because they don't care if they die. And

639
00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,679
that's always been the line where you know, loose nukes.

640
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:29,280
When Ukraine was breaking free of Russia in nineteen ninety,

641
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,639
you know, we sent lots of teams to secure their

642
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:36,079
nuclear weapons anywhere there's in you know, it's not quite

643
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:38,480
to the same degree, but right now we've got teams

644
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:42,880
in Syria trying to uh, trying to secure a sod's

645
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:48,199
chemical weapons that assd fled yesterday. They are trying desperately

646
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,679
to make sure because he didn't have nuclear weapons, but

647
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,639
he had a giant chemical arsenal and they don't want

648
00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:59,039
that to fall into you know, religious extremist sands. So

649
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:03,880
that's the fun sleep tight folk.

650
00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:07,519
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680
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had something else to talk about, and I think it

681
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,360
was you know, sometimes we tend to talk about like

682
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,679
what we've been watching, and we watched I don't know

683
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,880
if you've watched this. We watched Anthony Jessel next special.

684
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 3: I have not seen it.

685
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: Okay, well, we were interested in watching it because he

686
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:24,199
kind of bashed Joe Rogan, although in actually, in actual practice,

687
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,920
he wasn't bashing Joe Rogan, and he went out of

688
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,119
his way to say how much he loves Joe Rogan

689
00:37:29,199 --> 00:37:31,679
and they're such good friends. But he did bash Joe

690
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,400
Rogan listeners, which we appreciated.

691
00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it was interesting. I mean, basically he

692
00:37:37,039 --> 00:37:40,239
was Jessel nick Is. It seems like he's kind of

693
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:45,880
carving out and you know, this is after ten years,

694
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,599
eight years of you know, canceled, you know, sort of

695
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:53,880
you can't cancel me being the you know, de facto

696
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,599
pov of any comic who's trying to make it through.

697
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:01,920
It's like, I'm anti cancel. You can't cancel. I'm going

698
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:02,159
to say.

699
00:38:02,199 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 2: I feel like it's the opposite. I feel like it's,

700
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:06,960
oh my gosh, you're going to cancel me. That I

701
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:10,119
think everybody's freaked out about, like, oh, you can't say

702
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:11,639
anything or I'm gonna get canceled.

703
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, or but it's basically, you know, I'm I'm fighting

704
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,880
the mission. I'm fighting the cancel culture machine, whether they

705
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,079
think they can beat it. Or not. It's it's just

706
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:26,199
this this preset posture that you need to become a

707
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,800
new comic, because the fastest way to get anywhere in

708
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:35,239
comedy right now is to make a breakout on the

709
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,840
podcast world, particularly Rogan, but you know, Andrew Schultz and

710
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:44,079
all of those associated comedic Tim Dillon you want it,

711
00:38:44,199 --> 00:38:49,000
or Berg Kreischer. There's this sort of Rogan sphere of

712
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:52,239
comics that everybody's aware of, and to do it you

713
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,719
sort of have to have a preset worldview, which is

714
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,199
people are trying to cancel me, and you know, and

715
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,719
I hate woke and what's up with this? And sort

716
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:05,239
of it's very it's it's very sort of preset, and

717
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:09,920
and Jesselnick sort of seems to be, along with Bill Burr,

718
00:39:10,039 --> 00:39:13,400
is also kind of going, come on now, is it

719
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,079
is it really that bad? You're really that oppressed to you?

720
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:20,239
And Jesselnick is interesting because they're both Burr and Jesselnick

721
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:26,639
are both very edgy, you know, transgressive comics, but they

722
00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:29,760
also don't I think they want to you know, play

723
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:33,000
back against that you know me too. No, that would

724
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:37,599
be the exact wrong word. But this you know, preset

725
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,320
worldview that all of the rogan comics need to have

726
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:45,000
to get amplified in that network. So it's kind of interesting.

727
00:39:45,159 --> 00:39:48,199
Speaker 2: It's an interesting he Now, So the thing is Anthony

728
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:52,480
Jesslnick is like has said this in interviews and stuff

729
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,079
that you don't have to punch down, like you can

730
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,119
punch up, like you can still be funny and not

731
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,639
you know, mate and not go. So he had a

732
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:07,480
whole thing which I thought was funny about basically it

733
00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:11,159
was a play on kind of the Dave Chappelle really

734
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,119
doing a lot of jokes that were anti trans. So

735
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,800
jessel Nick was kind of talking about like we're going

736
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,800
to talk about like trans people and then none of

737
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,119
it was like mean, like it was all funny and kind.

738
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: Of it was funny. I mean, he was great. He

739
00:40:25,039 --> 00:40:28,159
turned it, I mean, because he's always mister misdirection, Right,

740
00:40:28,199 --> 00:40:31,760
He's like, we're gonna rail on trans and it basically

741
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,719
turns out he's like, you know, I love trans people

742
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,320
because like me, they hate pregnant women.

743
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was really funny and it was very edgy,

744
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,039
and I thought it was fun to kind of show like, look,

745
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:47,960
I'm doing a special where I'm like talking about awful

746
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:52,320
things pedophilia, like, but I'm not. But you can't really

747
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,679
pin it down to like, I'm joking, which is what

748
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,800
comedians do. And that was making me think of Bill Burr,

749
00:40:59,079 --> 00:41:01,320
and that was making me think of my favorite Bill Burbitt,

750
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,880
which I just want you to google. Just google Bill

751
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:08,400
Burr Oprah Oprah Winfrey Show, because I wanted to do that.

752
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,000
I want him to do that bit on I want

753
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:13,760
us to play that bit about being a mom is

754
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,119
not the most difficult job in the world. But if

755
00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:20,440
you google mom difficult job and Bill Burr, you get.

756
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,519
Speaker 3: Her Oprah Winfrey Show, Mother's most Difficult Job.

757
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:25,639
Speaker 2: Yes, because there's a one. There's a yeah, because there's

758
00:41:25,679 --> 00:41:29,840
another one where he another set that's just not that

759
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:31,639
not as funny to me. This one's funnier.

760
00:41:33,559 --> 00:41:36,079
Speaker 4: A girlfriend, man, I watch a lot of watch a

761
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:37,960
lot of TV with her. You know, I just annoy

762
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,360
the hell out of her. She loves watching The Oprah

763
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:40,239
Winfrey Show.

764
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 5: And I love like watching her watch The Oprah Winfrey

765
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:44,559
Show and I wait for.

766
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 4: Aprah to say something stupid.

767
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,519
Speaker 5: The second she does, I just take it out of

768
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:48,159
my girl.

769
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:55,519
Speaker 4: Because I'm an asshole. That's what I do. No, Wa're

770
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:57,599
watching it the other day, you know, Oprah's on there.

771
00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 5: She's interviewing some clan, you know, and she's giving her

772
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,679
this big ridiculous intro like she's done this, she's done that,

773
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,760
she's done this, and she does the most difficult job

774
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,920
on the planet. She's the mother, and continues on immediately I.

775
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 4: Just look up my girlfriend.

776
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,199
Speaker 5: Look like, really being a mother is the most difficult

777
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,079
job on the planet. Oh yeah, all those mothers who

778
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:25,880
die every year from black lung from inhaling all that

779
00:42:26,039 --> 00:42:34,719
old dust. The women are just constantly patting themselves on

780
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,519
the back about how difficult their lives are, and no

781
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:45,400
one corrects them because they want to fuck them.

782
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 2: That's what it is.

783
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,599
Speaker 5: So there's just this tornado like misinformation.

784
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 4: I ain't the most difficult job on the planet. What

785
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,079
would you rather be doing? Drilling to the.

786
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,519
Speaker 5: Center of the earth, shaking hands with the devil? Every

787
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,440
time there's a rumble in the ground, you wait for

788
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:03,920
the whole thing to collapse.

789
00:43:03,519 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 4: Down on top of you.

790
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:09,199
Speaker 5: So they gotta write that folks song about you? Was

791
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,559
you running me up in the sunshine, running around with

792
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:13,559
a couple of toddlers that you could send a bed

793
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:16,840
anytime you want some sort of trumped up charges, right,

794
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,000
because you want to have a drink as much the

795
00:43:20,039 --> 00:43:23,719
price is right, you know what I mean. I couldn't

796
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:27,480
believe it. It's a difficult job on the planet high.

797
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 4: I thought roofing in the middle of July is a redhead.

798
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:32,280
I thought that that was of the.

799
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 5: But these monners are bending over the ways putting DVDs

800
00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:39,480
into DVD players.

801
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,119
Speaker 4: I don't know how they do it. I don't know

802
00:43:42,159 --> 00:43:43,000
how they do it.

803
00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:49,119
Speaker 5: Dude, Any job that you could do in your pajamas

804
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,280
is not a difficult job, all right, get break.

805
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 4: Just trust you're thirty five years old, plain, hide and

806
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:01,679
go seek. You're live in the drink the tree, no

807
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:05,480
time card, no taxis, you're off the fucking print.

808
00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 5: Making possible stickhouses.

809
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:16,199
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm it's an a difficult job on the plane.

810
00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:17,960
Oprah's not even a mother.

811
00:44:18,119 --> 00:44:19,199
Speaker 3: How the fun would you have?

812
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:29,559
Speaker 2: That's it? I mean, that's classic. I hate that people

813
00:44:29,679 --> 00:44:34,000
think that, like, you know, I don't know. I feel

814
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:38,840
like millennials would laugh at that joke. I don't know,

815
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,199
because you get these comedians like Jerry Seinfeld that are

816
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,159
you know, talking about how like, oh, you can't say

817
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:49,039
anything anymore? All these woke people, But Jerry Seinfeld was

818
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:51,360
never trying to be edgy in the first place. Like,

819
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,920
how's Jerry Seinfeld worried about getting canceled for talking about

820
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,320
like the tips at the end of your shoelaces and

821
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:58,440
like what are those called?

822
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: Because Jerry Seinfeld's grouchy old guy and he needs something

823
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:02,719
to grouch about.

824
00:45:04,159 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 2: Is that all it is? Though he's.

825
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: Kind of a bitter old dude, isn't he? I mean,

826
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,000
his comedy is I mean again, his comedy. He was

827
00:45:13,039 --> 00:45:16,719
a great stand up with a particular I mean observational comedy,

828
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,039
which seems to have faded a little bit, but he

829
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:20,559
was right.

830
00:45:20,599 --> 00:45:23,599
Speaker 2: So now he's gonna blame that by the fact that, oh,

831
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:25,960
it's not me. It's not the fact that type my

832
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:28,840
version of comedy is out of vogue. It's not me.

833
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:32,079
It's all the woke people that just don't appreciate. Yeah,

834
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:33,559
he's observational humor.

835
00:45:33,679 --> 00:45:37,039
Speaker 1: Jerry Seinfeld is he's a rich, seventy year old billionaire

836
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,840
and he's not going to be very relatable. He can't

837
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,920
really I mean, first off, again, how many times can

838
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,440
he do? How did that suck get there? I mean,

839
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,000
it's really not going to hold up, so he's got

840
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:51,119
to write an entire different act, which isn't gonna happen

841
00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:54,800
at seventy. So to stay relevant, he makes pop tart

842
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,719
movies and he complains about the kids. It's sort of

843
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:02,039
a variation on Bill Maher, Right, just complain about the

844
00:46:02,119 --> 00:46:04,880
kids and it's you know, it's it's it's hack and

845
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,639
it's lazy, but who cares. He's a billionaire, right.

846
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 2: It is just amazing, though, how we have have this

847
00:46:12,559 --> 00:46:18,360
whole society of people that are angry about like I

848
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,079
don't want to have to learn new pronouns and I'm

849
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:24,440
not gonna say they because it's not grammatically correct, Like

850
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,599
that's the hell you're going to die on is that

851
00:46:26,639 --> 00:46:29,760
people want to use a different pronoun Like that's what

852
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,440
you're gonna say, is everybody's too woke with their pronouns.

853
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: It's so different.

854
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 2: But they're not wanting to use the R word when

855
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,360
not there, you know, I mean, we can't say these words.

856
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,480
I like the fact that Sarah Silverman a long time

857
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:42,880
ago was just like, yeah, I used to have like

858
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,599
I used to say the R word in my act,

859
00:46:44,599 --> 00:46:48,079
and I was like, could I not use that word? Yeah,

860
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,360
if that if I find out that that word like

861
00:46:50,559 --> 00:46:53,920
hurts people, could I just use a different word? Sure can,

862
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:57,599
Like it's not that difficult to but it's nothing you

863
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,599
woke or be aware of. And I don't think that

864
00:47:01,199 --> 00:47:04,920
it's gotten to the level. Yes, are there sometimes when

865
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:10,079
you're like, oh I oh shoot, we can't say that anymore,

866
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,960
And then the kids will go like, no, you can't

867
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,559
say that anymore. But are you gonna get arrested for

868
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:17,199
it or really like get in trouble.

869
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 5: No.

870
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:19,039
Speaker 2: So you could be an asshole and be like, well,

871
00:47:19,079 --> 00:47:20,760
I don't care, I'm gonna use that word anyway, or

872
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,079
you could be like all right, But.

873
00:47:22,159 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: You know what the issue is what podcasts? Because imagine

874
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:30,400
if there had been podcasts back in nineteen fifty eight,

875
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,559
and you could have put a podcast at the Friars

876
00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:36,400
Club after a roast and you know, put Milton Burrell

877
00:47:36,679 --> 00:47:41,800
and George Burns talking about Lenny Bruce or later on

878
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,800
talking about George Carlin. They bitched about it over you know,

879
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:51,079
Martini's and it never left the room. But now, because

880
00:47:51,159 --> 00:47:54,840
every comic spends four days a week on a podcast,

881
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:59,119
even Jerry Seinfeld, it's you know you now hear every

882
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:02,280
complaint and everything thought is public. But I mean, I'm

883
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,599
sure that you had every generation of comics shits on

884
00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:08,119
the next and I'm sure that you know, I mean,

885
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:12,000
can you imagine can you imagine somebody, Oh, I'm sorry,

886
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,719
my phone is buzzing, Damn new iPhones. The old ones

887
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,400
didn't do that. But but i mean, can you imagine

888
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:24,639
comics talking about George Carlin. But I'm sure they hated him.

889
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:27,480
I'm sure that the old you know, the the the

890
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,559
you know the well.

891
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 2: It isn't that kind of the opposite. You think they

892
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:34,639
hated him because he was being edgy?

893
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm sure they just because it's different

894
00:48:38,519 --> 00:48:40,920
and it's something that's reaching the public and it's something

895
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:44,400
you can't do anymore, or you can't. I mean, you've

896
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,920
got you've got the guys who were what am I

897
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:52,800
thinking of the Catskills? You know, yeah, comedians who were

898
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:55,480
great in the thirties and the forties and into the fifties.

899
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,559
You get into the sixties and you couldn't I mean,

900
00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:02,960
they couldn't go to like, you know, what were the

901
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,440
your naked eye what were the were they? What were

902
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,119
the rooms that your dad was playing in the sixties,

903
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,639
Hungry Eye, the Hungry Eye. I mean, somebody like you know,

904
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,599
Milton Burrell, Shecky Green couldn't play those rooms. And I'm

905
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:18,360
sure that was that was difficult for them because they

906
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,360
were then consigned to sort of a more senior circuit.

907
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,280
They weren't getting on the TV shows as much. Obviously

908
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,480
the Tonight showe everything would always book the old guys,

909
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,519
but they weren't. They weren't the cutting edge, and I'm

910
00:49:28,559 --> 00:49:31,159
sure that they were unhappy, and I'm sure that they vented,

911
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:35,599
but they just didn't have that back channel platform that

912
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:37,119
the podcasts give.

913
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:37,519
Speaker 4: Right.

914
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:43,559
Speaker 1: So now every time you know, Jerry Seinfeld or Bill Maher,

915
00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:47,960
you know, have just a gripe, it's out and then

916
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,639
people subclip it and it just amplifies it and you

917
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:55,760
realize just the mind of a wealthy seventy year old

918
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,719
comic who isn't getting the attention that they used.

919
00:49:58,559 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 4: To, right.

920
00:50:00,679 --> 00:50:03,480
Speaker 2: Yah ah, what do you think, Cayln?

921
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:09,159
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean you don't walk around.

922
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 2: Going like, uh, these woke, this woke generation, it's ruining comedy.

923
00:50:13,559 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 3: No, I no, And I don't think that, like, I mean, yeah,

924
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,119
there was a time there when everyone was getting like

925
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:22,280
exposed and like trying to get canceled. But I feel

926
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,119
like that's over now.

927
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: People getting exposed, they like they were getting exposed for

928
00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,639
exposing themselves, like Louis c k Like, that's not canceled.

929
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:34,800
Like Bill Bill Cosby didn't get canceled. He got arrested,

930
00:50:35,159 --> 00:50:38,840
you know, he got tried drugging and raping women.

931
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:42,280
Speaker 3: But there was other people that was like like Al Franken,

932
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:44,519
you know, he took the picture and I's got to

933
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:45,119
go or like.

934
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was the opposite. That was literally the opposite.

935
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:54,639
That was the Republicans canceling Al Franken, I mean, and

936
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:58,239
then we canceled him, which was, Yeah, I'm totally against that.

937
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,119
Speaker 1: Kristin Gilibert Gillibrand actually.

938
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, kiss yeah, can't stand her. But it's mostly the

939
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,199
right that's canceling. People on the left banning our books

940
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,920
and canceling bud Light and well it's waycotting things for

941
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:12,920
no reason.

942
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Speaker 1: But there's plenty in both directions. But if you listen

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to a lot of comics, it's just you know, the

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intolerant left. But I mean, I honestly haven't seen too

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many liberals taking you know, a semi automatic and blowing

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up bud light cases or burning their courag or burning

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their nikes. So I mean there's a slightly different tenor

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on either side, but you never I don't hear too

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many comics, you know, taking kid Rock to to task

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for badly barely being able to shoot up. Yeah, but

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light kid Rock's a terrible shot. Can I say that

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if you actually look at that video, really not a

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good shot.

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Speaker 2: So in conclusion, let's think our our amazing, amazing rest

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of our business, shout out people. We've got Adam Lerner

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as always who's a car broker and he can help

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you get a car without all that annoying haggling at

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a dealership, So go to Adams gootacar dot com. He

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can also just educate you on how to get the

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best deal, like no commitment. Also, Ferncandle, our friend Kelsey

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runs this business out of her home. It's a great gift.

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These candles smell the lightful and it's great for the

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environment because it's all made with soywax. You can find

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her on Instagram at Ferncandle or go to ferncandle dot com.

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Our friend Darcy is trying to amplify her sister and

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brother as her sister in law and her brother. It's

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the podcast for kids. It's called The Get Up Show.

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It's a morning variety show podcast for kids. It gets

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them from snooze to shoes. They have yoga and music

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and jokes and learning and it's a lot of fun.

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And I'm her daughters who are at seven and nine

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love it. So check out The Get Up Kids. Also,

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our friend Christine Black is a travel agent and she

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now works for Waves and Wonder Travel. If you want

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to find her, go on our Facebook group and just go, hey, Christine,

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I need to book some travel. Or you can find

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her on Instagram at travel with Christine b Okay, look

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for that. Also, God, I love our listeners and their

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charitable ways. But our friend Sergio is a highlighting ASPCA. Gosh,

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there are so many animals that need help and we're

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we've still got the aftermath of these hurricanes and these

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horrible weather things and these animals that are displaced. So

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go to ASPCA dot org to help them out. And

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I think I did Carrie Kibler, I think I've done

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everybody else. So yeah, let me just make sure YEP

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didn't leave anybody out, Thank you, everybody, Thank you, John,

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thank you for coming in here. And we're going to

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record a Patreon. Haven't one hundred percent decided what we're

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gonna do yet. We have a couple of things that

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we're deciding between, but definitely join us for that. I'm

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gonna make John be really open. Thank you, Caylin, thank you.

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Speaker 1: And next week at this time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a parent now a couple of days.

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Speaker 4: It's good that angle