Speaker 1: Made uh Saint John O Peace sunny sund On, I
hadurdasion night.
Speaker 2: Hello everybody, welcome to for crying out loud. It's Friday.
I hope you guys are all doing well. Guess who's
still in the house.
Speaker 1: Three days later.
Speaker 2: John Taylor from Deuran Duran.
Speaker 1: Same clothes I was wearing on Tuesday.
Speaker 2: Do you know that people still think that you actually
are the John Taylor from Deuran Duran. There was a
few I enjoy that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know rockstar salary.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you know what, let's let us let's say
hello to our people. Let's get that done early. We
got Jacob. He's so growley, We love him. He's amazing.
Sandra's not he's being green. Jennifer, get up, Aaron, you're dirty, Sanche,
Sarah Sefano, you're our Prisidano. Leslie, stop coughing already. Alicia
Escalante from the City of a Monte. Kelly Brant, She'll
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Bubba Fenwick hits it out of the park. Polly, you
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Katie's rolling on a Kelly Latia, and Dick is frolicking boom.
What are you up to these days? John Taylor, we
freakin forgot to plug your YouTube. Now I'm gonna spill
the beans on what.
Speaker 1: You're up to ONH Well, like like so many people
in television producers, I don't know if people out there know,
but basically the TV industry is imploded over the last
four or five years thanks to streaming, so pretty much
every TV producer is either jumped off to become a
child and family therapist, a teacher, a realtor, or you know.
The really unimaginative among us are like, well, I still
am going to produce TV. I'm just going to do
it for YouTube. So I'm in that last category.
Speaker 2: But so see, why do you always like hit this
with like from a negative.
Speaker 1: Perspective, Well, it's it's.
Speaker 2: Need to have a little bit of optimism.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that everybody I know is going
into basically four trenches, and I enjoy this because yeah,
but Why do.
Speaker 2: You think it's like taking an L Like it's it's.
Speaker 1: Taken an L. It's it's the alternative because you know,
streaming has basically.
Speaker 2: I understand, but instead of thinking of it as like, oh,
I'm forced to do this thing, how about like you
get to work for yourself.
Speaker 1: I like that. I just wanted to complain a little
bit because it feels good sometimes. I know, I like
to complain a little bit.
Speaker 2: I love to complain. You know that you have you
met me.
Speaker 1: The entire the entire team industry is melted down. People
are leaving Hollywood. We've been to many going away parties
of people I've worked with for thirty years.
Speaker 2: Yes, we have.
Speaker 1: But I'm a cock eyed optimist. I'm like, I'm just
gonna pivot over to YouTube, which is and you know,
it's interesting, and I'm basically I'm working with primarily one
of my favorite bosses from years gone by, who is
sort of spearheading this. And there are about four of
us who are documentary unscripted TV producers who are We're
trying to put together something called documentary TV on YouTube,
and each of us are sort of doing different verticals underneath.
That's sort of the parent and I'm doing a vertical
called History in a Hurry. Right now, there's only one thing,
and I think we've talked about it, or you've talked
about it on the air. There are a bunch that
are sort of ingestation right now. It's the issue is
I am personally a terrible editor. So I'm trying to
rely on the kindly assistance of a number of editors
that I work with who are sort of taking time
to help me get these things done. But they require
graphics and what have Kalen.
Speaker 2: Have you taught yourself how to video edit? Pretty well?
Speaker 3: I mean the editing I do is for podcasts, so
it's not like real editing. You know, it's mostly just
camera switching back and forth.
Speaker 1: So see I can. I mean, being a.
Speaker 3: Real like movie or content editor is different than just
podcast adding. But yes, I did teach myself how to
use the Adobe editing program.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Premiere is, Yeah, Premiere is a little bit easier.
I may able to grasp it. But I mean if
you look at just even that little silly thing that's up,
you know, masters the year History in a Hurry, If
you look at the edit program for that, it's you know,
it is like six video layers and five audio layers
and it's transitioned.
Speaker 2: So you've got to get that a little bit simplified.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've got to get that simplified, and we've
got to get me a little bit more skilled at
doing that, right.
Speaker 2: But we can't be spending like weeks and months.
Speaker 1: No video getting a pep talk on air. But that's
true I need But anyway, so big picture is it's
a it's a big History channel that we're trying to
launch on on YouTube. The sort of the virtue of
it's been going on for years now. But all of
us who are doing this among you know, having worked
for Discovery and HBO and CNN or whatever, everybody's done
a lot of History Channel programming back when it really
was the History Channel, and that was you know, it
was a lot of fun in the nineties and the
early two thousands. You know, you'd have enough budget to
go shoot in Europe and shoot with aging Nazis and
then come back and shoot with the Americans. That but
that all kind of went away. But then the kind
of the upside of that is a lot of the
people who used to watch the History Channel long ago
went to YouTube, and now they watch YouTube documentaries and
and so we're sort of trying to race to catch
up to that audience that's on YouTube and sort of
provide them with a little bit updated. I mean, because
some of the stuff that was on the History Channel
back you know, twenty five years ago was a little slow.
So my big thing is trying to add a little
attitude and a little pace and a little you know, humor,
a little humor to it. And that's why, you know,
one of the verticals I'm doing is called History in
a Hurry, and it's kind of an over cranked history.
The idea that we'll tell you the story of anything
from you know, Hitler's vengeance weapon program to the entire
start to World War Two in ten minutes, twelve minutes,
fifteen minutes and do it with you know, a lot
of serious history, but kind of a little bit of
a tongue in cheek tone.
Speaker 2: And now right now, it's a little bit hard to
find documentary dot TGV dot Now.
Speaker 1: No, it's a I'll you know, I'll put a bit ley.
We've got a little bit lely short.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but without the bit ley, how can people find it?
Speaker 1: It's a Documentary TV, Documentary dot TV on YouTube, and
underneath Documentary TV, there's a playlist called History in a
Hurry of everybody who's very kind when you mentioned that
first one, everybody put History in a Hurry, And they're
a couple sort of dormant channels called History in a
Hurry that haven't put any in a couple of years now.
But the idea is that once we get bigger, all
of these things will get higher in the search algorithm.
Right now, because we've got like three hundred subscribers, it's
one of these things that it takes and Kaylin certainly
knows this better than I do. It takes a while
to build up your subscriber base, It builds a you,
it takes a while for the algorithm to find you.
And we're kind of working hard at that right now.
You're you and your dad are way ahead of us.
Speaker 3: You well, you know, my dad's a famous actor. It's
that a lot of people really love from his movies
in the eighties and nineties that they grew up with.
So we are a bit different in terms of getting
subscribers to our channel.
Speaker 2: We've you know, people love war though.
Speaker 3: And people do love war.
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you love Ficksburg. There's a lot of Fredericksburg fans.
Speaker 1: Did your dad ever see any combat? Was he ever
in the ship? Would he like to pretend to be
and maybe do a little crossover.
Speaker 3: Pretend the kids do any time? Yeah, A couple from
the Rock. He was really in the ship.
Speaker 2: There, there you go, he was in the Rock.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 2: John Tell tell everybody about how much I love the Rock.
Speaker 1: Oh, Steph is weird. She doesn't love action films across
the board, but the ones she loves. She loves the
Rock And to.
Speaker 2: You made me watch it. You made me watch it
many many years, loved I watched it and then I
was like, this is like the greatest movie ever. I
was like, let's watch it again, like two minutes later,
and he's like, I don't know. Now, I'm good for
like ten years.
Speaker 1: I'm good for a couple of years. You also love
Brave Heart. I did love Braveheart, but yeah, you you
loved Brave Heart. You love the Rock. It's just you're
very hit and miss and action films with the ones
you like. You're like, I can watch that again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's watch well, because I've by the time I've
finished watching it, I've kind of forgotten what happened, exactly
what happened, but you have always been John. Let me
tell you something about John and history. He knows everything
about history. And one of our early it wasn't an
early date, but we took a trip. We went to
San Luis, Obisco. Oh big sirry, Yeah, and you told
me about I was like, tell me about how what what?
World War two? I don't totally get it. And you
were like, okay, let me I think you.
Speaker 1: Said something like you're like, well, just just to review,
we went into World War two to save the Jews, right.
It was like, not, that wasn't exactly really what we
were doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you know, I was raised on, you know,
learning a lot about the Holocaust, and I was very
unpleasantly surprised to learn that, like, we didn't really give
a shit about the Jews.
Speaker 1: Well it was it was more complicated than that, but
it was we certainly did not. I mean, we stayed
out of World War two for two years because isolationists
like John F. Kennedy's dad Joe, did not want us
in the war. And we had a very fierce anti
war faction in this country called America first, that was
where it came from.
Speaker 3: Well, we were kind of I'm basing this solely off
boxes now an episode of Band of Brothers. This is
a show that I love and I we watch it
all the time. It's fantastic.
Speaker 2: But there's one of John's favorite favoritementary.
Speaker 3: It's so good.
Speaker 2: But they do it.
Speaker 1: It's not a documentary, might as well be it's it's
it's close enough.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, they stumble upon a concentration camp and they're
like surprised, They're like, what is this place? And so
it feels like they kind of found it by accident,
like they didn't even know that.
Speaker 1: In real I mean, that was and it's interesting because
that was one of the few things in Band of
Brothers that was actually they were very very loyal to
the book Band of Brothers, and that was the one
of those miniseries that was really based on a single book.
But they the one thing was was that that Easy
Company really wasn't quite as close to the the concentration
camps as they because they wanted leib got to go see.
They took a few very light liberties with that. But
but yeah, a lot of the rank i mean US
intelligence knew about the death camps by the middle of
the war, I mean we knew.
Speaker 2: From it only by the middle of the war.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we knew. I mean, it was publicly
known that the Nazis were massively you know, anti Semitic,
and they were persecuting the Jews, and you know, the
existence of crystal knocked was known around the world by
nineteen thirty eight. So it wasn't like you had tons
of Jewish refugees fleeing Germany in the thirties and what
happened to them, Well, there were a couple of this,
We had a couple of ships full of refugees, including
one I believe was called the Saint Louis that we
sent back because we would not take all of those immigrants.
Speaker 2: But so pretty crazy, it was.
Speaker 1: It was notes, there's a there's a there's a really
grim you know, they're always I mean, well, it's the Holocaust.
The whole thing is incredibly grim. But there are some
a lot of stories from you know, the US side
that are a little a little sad as well, or
very sad, but not thats not all. But by the
middle of the war, we were aware, I mean, you know,
we had a lot of reconnaissance. We knew what the
death camps were, we knew where they were. We thought
about bombing them, you know. There there was discussion of,
you know, should we put them out of their misery
that type of thing, and.
Speaker 2: But wow, I didn't know this well.
Speaker 1: We thought about bombing the death camps, but it was
I'd have to review exactly what the logic was, but
we opted not to. But we were aware by the
middle of the war that they were systematic, i mean
systemically killing the Jews. But that was not was the
war four years. The war was thirty nine to forty five.
We were in it from forty one to forty five.
Speaker 2: Forty one to forty five, four years. Yeah, but it
was going on longer.
Speaker 1: It started in thirty nine, got it. We stayed out
of it. It was mostly I mean Britain was all alone
by the time the Nazis conquered you know, France and
Poland and Holland and Belgium. It was like, you know,
Winston Churchill was standing alone going f you It was.
It was a pretty hairy time.
Speaker 2: But wow, and the British are not still mad at
us for that.
Speaker 1: We came in I mean during that time, we were
through Lendley's We were shipping them Ammo and guns across
the Atlantic. That's why we had convoys. We were sort
of the quote unquote arsenal of democracy. But we didn't
we didn't jump in it. And I mean, you know,
to this day, there's still a giant debate did Franklin
Delan R. Roosevelt know that the Japanese were about to
bomb Pearl Harbor and did he let it happen because
that was the only thing that was going to Because
Franklin Roosevelt wanted to get into World War two to assist.
You know, it was like we have two large fascist
powers in Japan and Germany that you know it's not
going to end. Well, we need to help. But the
sentiment in this country was, you know, fifty to fifty
at best, maybe less to get into the war because
World War One had been traumatic and that was only
twenty years before, and so FDR. There's still a huge
debate did FDR because there were so many hints that
the Japanese were getting ready to do something either was
it going to be in the Philippines? Was it? So
to this day there's a big theory that FDR knew
that Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked, and he
let it happen because that was the only way that
American sentiment could be turned toward going to war.
Speaker 2: So of it, And is that what happened? Like right
after Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we immediately went we declared war on Japan. And
the day after we declared war on Japan, Hitler declared
war on US. So, oh really not a smart move.
The little corporal was not always the most strategic man
in the world.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that. Did you know that, Kitlin?
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. But I have heard that the
Nazis were on tons of drugs.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well the Nazis fought World War two on meth. Yeah.
They basically they created meth amphetamine was synthesized in Germany,
and their troops were cranked up on meth. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I heard they would give more more meth to the
people on the front lines, like the tank commanders and stuff.
They would give more meth to them than like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it makes it. I mean enough meth will make
you fearless, not feel hungry. And you know particularly, I
mean that most of the war was fought in Russia.
I mean, people have no idea that, you know, the
US we lost, I mean it's huge, but we lost
half a million people in World War Two. The Russians
lost forty times that. They lost twenty million people. They
lost twenty million soldiers in World War two and another
fifteen million to twenty million civilians. So the Russians lost They.
Speaker 3: Lost like one million in just that one battle of
the Stalingrad.
Speaker 1: Oh they lost more. I mean, the Russians just kept
funneling people into Stalingrad. And you know, there's a it's
a it's just it was, you know, curse Stalingrad, Gates
of Moscow, it's all of these things were just intually
bigger than almost any fight that took place on the
Western Front.
Speaker 2: So when so when we declared war? Why did we
declare war? Why did Germany declare war on us? Because
Germany and Japan were fighting together the.
Speaker 1: Powers they had, they had an alliance. The primary the
axis was Italy, Italy, Germany, and and Italy was sort
of the weak sister, but Japan was powerful in the Pacific,
and Germany was dominant in Europe, and they you know,
Hitler was just I mean, Hitler was incredibly. I mean,
he had built the biggest military in the world, and
so he was like, okay, you know he in four
they conquered. They fought in World War One, it took
four years to come to almost a stalemate against France.
Flash forward to World War Two. Suddenly you've got Germany
rolled over France and days it was just like boom,
they cut through them like butter and just everybody was
falling to This new was called Blitzgrig, this new mechanized
and so it was it was just Hitler was like,
check me out. But then finally he's like, okay, next
thing we do, We're gonna invade England. But to do
that they had to be because they'd have to cross
the Channel. They needed to win the air and the
air battle over Britain was the Battle of Britain, and somehow,
you know, seven hundred fighter pilots from Britain beat twenty
two hundred fighter and bomber pilots from England. It was
kind of an upset and Hitler couldn't invade Germany. So
I'm sorry Hitler couldn't invade England. And so Hitler like
takes a pause and he's like fuck, it, Let's invade Russia,
and Russia's like this, you know, massive giant. Nobody's ever
conquered Russia. I mean Napoleon lost it trying, and so
Hitler just rolls into Russia and that's you know, after that,
things start to go horrifically wrong. But he's already in Russia.
He's already you know, been turned back at Moscow when
when Japan invades our Bomb's Pearl Harbor, but Hitler doesn't blank.
He's like, I'm declaring war on America.
Speaker 3: So at that point, but you speaking of Band of Brothers,
did you watch the recent Apple TV show The Air
Masters of Air, which is good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I tried to worry. I was working for Playtone when
that was in basically in pre production, and I begged
to try to get on it. But I was working
for Playtone for a documentary and that was very much
a scripted so and my dad actually that was my
dad's war. My dad flew in b seventeens and I saw.
Speaker 3: A couple episodes of it, but I didn't. I didn't
watch the whole thing.
Speaker 1: It's it's worth watching, I mean.
Speaker 3: It's sometimes Austin Butler bugs me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I the thing with that was and it
was kind of fascinating because I mean Band of Brothers
was perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Then there was ten years later. Band of Brothers
was this giant HBO series in two thousand and one,
two thousand and two, and it was absolutely it's too
mini series with the sopranos is to you know series,
It's absolutely perfect. Then ten years later they did it
with the Pacific War, but they did it from three
different books and it was a little scattered and it
was a little harder to follow. It was great, but
it wasn't absolutely perfect. And then flash forward to about
twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, the same group, Gary Getzman and
Steven Spielberg, they decided to do a third one and
this one they want to do on the eighth Air
Force sort of the other sort of make it a trilogy.
But by this point, by this point, it's just too
you know, it's getting incredibly expensive. Pacific didn't make money,
and you can sort of see they HBO finally chickened
out when I believe when it got to about three
hundred million dollars budget and it went into turnaround for
a couple of years, and then Apple TV went, what's
three hundred million to us, that's just a few iPhones,
So they picked it up. But I think I don't know,
but you can almost see because I know some of
the guys that that did it, and they, you know,
the way that they did Band of Brothers. There was
not a famous face in that. They're like, we're going
to really cast it, do I think.
Speaker 2: Ron Livingstone was pretty famous.
Speaker 1: No Swingers was his biggest but they so they really did,
they really made it exactly the way they want to
make it. I have a feeling, and again I don't
have anything to back this up, but when you see
the faces that are in Masters of the Air, I
mean these are you know, Austin Butler and what's what's
his name? Dua Lipa's boyfriend was the other These are
all very I mean, my lbie was was very excited
to watch Masters there because it was you know, heart
throbs all over the place. And I exactly I think
that I think that they definitely were told by Apple
TV going Okay, if we're going to put three hundred
and fifty million in, we want to see some promotable
stars in this. So they tried to or they had
to put some bigger faces in so it was a
little little bit harder.
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thing I love about you is that you have all
these stories of like lesser known, lesser known things that
have happened in history. Like I remember when we were
talking about I was trying to get you to do
a podcast, a history podcast with like stories that not
everybody knows, and we we were like making a list
of all these stories, and you mentioned, I'm gonna make
you tell tell me about this again because I don't
even remember at all. There was one story about like
remember that story about a school bus that was very buried.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 2: But then you also had a story which we can
talk about that that has been a podcast by the way,
which I've listened to several times. But you then told
me the story, like do you know about this guy
Howard Hunt?
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, no, tell me, it's it's
an interest. I mean, I think we're you're sort of
trying to get me to kind of create and sort
of flesh out the idea. And I was like, Okay,
we could do something called Dark Century, which sort of
the darkest underbelly of the stuff that people don't know,
like MK Ultra and Operation paper Clip, where we you know,
brought hundreds and hundreds of hardcore Nazis into this country.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the problem that you're about to have is
that you're going to tell us this stuff and all
of our listeners are going to be like, yes, please
do that show, and you're going to be like, what happened?
What did you do to me?
Speaker 1: No? No, no, but no, I've always kind of been
fascinated with There's a guy, sort of a knock around
guy from the CIA who was at is sort of
in his heyday between the fifties and the early seventies,
And it depends who you talk to. I mean, they're
the opinions of his involvement and his capabilities just run
the gamut. E Howard Hunt was either you know, if
you talk to a number of people, he was just
completely opposer and incompetent, And if you talked to a
number of other people, he was kind of the missing
link between the Kennedy assassination and the Bay of Pigs
and Watergate.
Speaker 3: So it's even ask you as the CIA killed Kennedy.
Speaker 1: Right, it's a big theory the Cubans. I mean, there's
a there's a big theory that the Cubans killed Kennedy
that I think, you know, if you were really to
excavate one rabbit hole, that would probably be the one
that I choose to excavate. Because the Cubans were just
enraged over the Bay of Pigs, and I mean we
really did just absolutely rat fuck them. I mean, we
built them up, and we had all of these Cuban
expatriots and we had them invade Cuba with the promise
that the CIA would would basically bring in air support,
and we chicken out and we didn't. We just let
them die on the beaches. And there were a lot
of very conservative anti Castro Cubans that were just and
it with Kennedy was president during the Bay of Pigs,
so it was they were just you know, ready to
absolutely and a lot of those Cubans were, you know,
deeply emeshed once they got into this country with organized
crime and you know, the mafia. And I would say,
you know, if you really wanted to try to come
up with the best conspiracy theory that might actually have
some meat on the bone, I would go with the
Cubans more than the CIA. But the CIA was deeply
involved with the Cubans because they were the ones that
sponsored the Bay of Pigs. There's again named Richard Bissell
who was the deputy director of the CIA who completely
engineered the whole Bay of Pigs. But E Howard Hunt was,
you know, he was involved in all of that. Either,
again it depends who is telling his story. Some people
say he was deeply involved and he at least knew
who killed Kennedy, whether it was CI, a, Cubans, Russians,
single gunman, you name it. But he was also you know,
one of the guys that was part of the White
House Plumbers and they've done.
Speaker 2: He came up in that show that we watched about the.
Speaker 1: Woody Harrelson played him and in that depiction, and and
there's there's a lot of credence that this may be.
You know, he was very you know, very insecure about
you know, being on the outer outside of power and
just being a bad penny that was being circulated after
he left the CIA. And uh and again they've they
had him paired with g. Gordon Liddy. G Gordon Liddy
was out of his mind, according to everybody. And uh,
but Howard Hunt may again and he he allegedly on
his deathbed he told his son everything he knew. Now,
whether this is true or been legend, we don't know.
But his son is still alive. And I always thought
it would be kind of fascinating to try to get
his son to sit down and just talk to his
son and go, Okay, who really was your dad? Because
you know, there are so many stories about him that
you know, fill up different accounts. Was he, you know,
just this sort of outer ring CIA poser or was
he this you know, wetwork, deep cover guy who had
his hand in everything. But it's just, you know, there
are a lot of people that are you know, weave through.
Also there's sort of like a little bit like Zellieg
or Forrest Gump, where they happen to be around so
many crazy things over the years. It's like he was there,
he was there, he was there.
Speaker 2: What if you had a podcast called Outlier and it
was like all these people throughout like history, stuff that
you know, not a lot of people know about that
you get interviews with.
Speaker 1: It'd be interesting. I mean, I think you'd have to
find a connective tissue just but it would be interesting.
But I kind of like Dark Century more I liked.
I liked to because there's so many you know. The
idea is that after World War Two sort of the
powers that may mean we were a we because we
were paranoid about the Cold War because we suddenly had
unprecedented power after you know, after World War Two was over,
we were an industrial giant. We had tons of money,
we had a giant military. The country was untouched. You know,
we had not been bombed, Our infrastructure was We just
went bananas, and you know, we were so scared of
Russia that everything was on the table and we just
you know, we.
Speaker 2: Did Why were we scared of Russia.
Speaker 1: Because they by nineteen forty nine had the atomic bomb.
We were in the Cold War against them, Stalin was
arguably as murderous and nutty as Hitler had been. So
they had been our very uneasy ally in World War Two,
and suddenly they are suddenly they wanted all of Europe
and we wanted to protect Europe, or we wanted sovereignty
and markets in Europe. They're different ways to tell that story.
But it was just we were absolutely, you know, terrified
of a nuclear I mean, we had the bomb in
forty five, Russia had the bomb by forty nine, and
it's you know, it's hard to overstate how terrified we were.
I mean, suddenly kids are in schools doing duck and
cover drill I remember, and you know, there was just
a giant paranoid.
Speaker 2: We were doing that in the early seventies.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was modified then because we were
a little but the paranoia that was existing in the
early seventies multiplied that by ten. For nineteen fifty, I.
Speaker 2: Was really scared of nuclear war, as you like to
prenounce a nuclear.
Speaker 1: Bush me George bush Mey.
Speaker 2: But in the early seventies, yeah, when I was a
little kid, that was I was terrified. That was we
talked about it all the time.
Speaker 3: It came really wasn't there. At one point there was
a Russian nuclear sub and there was one guy on
the submarine that refused to launch a nuke and three
other like they were about to. And it was one
guy that.
Speaker 2: Was the the something crisis.
Speaker 1: Well, there were a couple in nineteen eighty three. I mean,
it's in a lot of these things. In nineteen eighty three,
the Russians thought that we were All of their early
detection stuff was apparently going off in error, and there
was one lieutenant colonel who refused to launch, and you know,
had he launched, he would have launched. I believe this
was on land. I don't think it was sub but
it could be wrong. But he refused to launch, and
had he launched, we would have, you know, just salvoed
all of our ICBM in the Upper Midwest and that
would have been it. We'd be so mutual destruction, Yeah,
mutual assured m AD and mutual assured destruction. Yeah. That
was there still a threat. Yeah, I mean, we still
have most of our warheads aimed at China and Russia,
and China and Russia still have most of their warheads
aimed at US. So in theory, I mean the idea
that's gone.
Speaker 2: Now we're all run by crazy people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll be fun for the next four years. Yeah,
we've got an unstable Putin who's seventy two, may not
live that much longer, You've got Yeah, it's it's very unstable.
But you hope. The big thing is that you still
hope that everybody who has their finger on the on
the on the atomic buttons are or the nuclear buttons
are governed by I know, if I push this, I'm
going to die myself. And so there's so much, you know,
so much overkill. We've got, you know, three thousand warheads,
they've got five thousand warheads. You know, it's enough to
basically radiate the planet and elimitate. So you hope that
there are rational actors, which has always been why everybody's
so terrified about, you know, religious extremists getting hold of
nuclear weapons because they don't care if they die. And
that's always been the line where you know, loose nukes.
When Ukraine was breaking free of Russia in nineteen ninety,
you know, we sent lots of teams to secure their
nuclear weapons anywhere there's in you know, it's not quite
to the same degree, but right now we've got teams
in Syria trying to uh, trying to secure a sod's
chemical weapons that assd fled yesterday. They are trying desperately
to make sure because he didn't have nuclear weapons, but
he had a giant chemical arsenal and they don't want
that to fall into you know, religious extremist sands. So
that's the fun sleep tight folk.
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was you know, sometimes we tend to talk about like
what we've been watching, and we watched I don't know
if you've watched this. We watched Anthony Jessel next special.
Speaker 3: I have not seen it.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, we were interested in watching it because he
kind of bashed Joe Rogan, although in actually, in actual practice,
he wasn't bashing Joe Rogan, and he went out of
his way to say how much he loves Joe Rogan
and they're such good friends. But he did bash Joe
Rogan listeners, which we appreciated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it was interesting. I mean, basically he
was Jessel nick Is. It seems like he's kind of
carving out and you know, this is after ten years,
eight years of you know, canceled, you know, sort of
you can't cancel me being the you know, de facto
pov of any comic who's trying to make it through.
It's like, I'm anti cancel. You can't cancel. I'm going
to say.
Speaker 2: I feel like it's the opposite. I feel like it's,
oh my gosh, you're going to cancel me. That I
think everybody's freaked out about, like, oh, you can't say
anything or I'm gonna get canceled.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or but it's basically, you know, I'm I'm fighting
the mission. I'm fighting the cancel culture machine, whether they
think they can beat it. Or not. It's it's just
this this preset posture that you need to become a
new comic, because the fastest way to get anywhere in
comedy right now is to make a breakout on the
podcast world, particularly Rogan, but you know, Andrew Schultz and
all of those associated comedic Tim Dillon you want it,
or Berg Kreischer. There's this sort of Rogan sphere of
comics that everybody's aware of, and to do it you
sort of have to have a preset worldview, which is
people are trying to cancel me, and you know, and
I hate woke and what's up with this? And sort
of it's very it's it's very sort of preset, and
and Jesselnick sort of seems to be, along with Bill Burr,
is also kind of going, come on now, is it
is it really that bad? You're really that oppressed to you?
And Jesselnick is interesting because they're both Burr and Jesselnick
are both very edgy, you know, transgressive comics, but they
also don't I think they want to you know, play
back against that you know me too. No, that would
be the exact wrong word. But this you know, preset
worldview that all of the rogan comics need to have
to get amplified in that network. So it's kind of interesting.
Speaker 2: It's an interesting he Now, So the thing is Anthony
Jesslnick is like has said this in interviews and stuff
that you don't have to punch down, like you can
punch up, like you can still be funny and not
you know, mate and not go. So he had a
whole thing which I thought was funny about basically it
was a play on kind of the Dave Chappelle really
doing a lot of jokes that were anti trans. So
jessel Nick was kind of talking about like we're going
to talk about like trans people and then none of
it was like mean, like it was all funny and kind.
Speaker 1: Of it was funny. I mean, he was great. He
turned it, I mean, because he's always mister misdirection, Right,
He's like, we're gonna rail on trans and it basically
turns out he's like, you know, I love trans people
because like me, they hate pregnant women.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was really funny and it was very edgy,
and I thought it was fun to kind of show like, look,
I'm doing a special where I'm like talking about awful
things pedophilia, like, but I'm not. But you can't really
pin it down to like, I'm joking, which is what
comedians do. And that was making me think of Bill Burr,
and that was making me think of my favorite Bill Burbitt,
which I just want you to google. Just google Bill
Burr Oprah Oprah Winfrey Show, because I wanted to do that.
I want him to do that bit on I want
us to play that bit about being a mom is
not the most difficult job in the world. But if
you google mom difficult job and Bill Burr, you get.
Speaker 3: Her Oprah Winfrey Show, Mother's most Difficult Job.
Speaker 2: Yes, because there's a one. There's a yeah, because there's
another one where he another set that's just not that
not as funny to me. This one's funnier.
Speaker 4: A girlfriend, man, I watch a lot of watch a
lot of TV with her. You know, I just annoy
the hell out of her. She loves watching The Oprah
Winfrey Show.
Speaker 5: And I love like watching her watch The Oprah Winfrey
Show and I wait for.
Speaker 4: Aprah to say something stupid.
Speaker 5: The second she does, I just take it out of
my girl.
Speaker 4: Because I'm an asshole. That's what I do. No, Wa're
watching it the other day, you know, Oprah's on there.
Speaker 5: She's interviewing some clan, you know, and she's giving her
this big ridiculous intro like she's done this, she's done that,
she's done this, and she does the most difficult job
on the planet. She's the mother, and continues on immediately I.
Speaker 4: Just look up my girlfriend.
Speaker 5: Look like, really being a mother is the most difficult
job on the planet. Oh yeah, all those mothers who
die every year from black lung from inhaling all that
old dust. The women are just constantly patting themselves on
the back about how difficult their lives are, and no
one corrects them because they want to fuck them.
Speaker 2: That's what it is.
Speaker 5: So there's just this tornado like misinformation.
Speaker 4: I ain't the most difficult job on the planet. What
would you rather be doing? Drilling to the.
Speaker 5: Center of the earth, shaking hands with the devil? Every
time there's a rumble in the ground, you wait for
the whole thing to collapse.
Speaker 4: Down on top of you.
Speaker 5: So they gotta write that folks song about you? Was
you running me up in the sunshine, running around with
a couple of toddlers that you could send a bed
anytime you want some sort of trumped up charges, right,
because you want to have a drink as much the
price is right, you know what I mean. I couldn't
believe it. It's a difficult job on the planet high.
Speaker 4: I thought roofing in the middle of July is a redhead.
I thought that that was of the.
Speaker 5: But these monners are bending over the ways putting DVDs
into DVD players.
Speaker 4: I don't know how they do it. I don't know
how they do it.
Speaker 5: Dude, Any job that you could do in your pajamas
is not a difficult job, all right, get break.
Speaker 4: Just trust you're thirty five years old, plain, hide and
go seek. You're live in the drink the tree, no
time card, no taxis, you're off the fucking print.
Speaker 5: Making possible stickhouses.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm it's an a difficult job on the plane.
Oprah's not even a mother.
Speaker 3: How the fun would you have?
Speaker 2: That's it? I mean, that's classic. I hate that people
think that, like, you know, I don't know. I feel
like millennials would laugh at that joke. I don't know,
because you get these comedians like Jerry Seinfeld that are
you know, talking about how like, oh, you can't say
anything anymore? All these woke people, But Jerry Seinfeld was
never trying to be edgy in the first place. Like,
how's Jerry Seinfeld worried about getting canceled for talking about
like the tips at the end of your shoelaces and
like what are those called?
Speaker 1: Because Jerry Seinfeld's grouchy old guy and he needs something
to grouch about.
Speaker 2: Is that all it is? Though he's.
Speaker 1: Kind of a bitter old dude, isn't he? I mean,
his comedy is I mean again, his comedy. He was
a great stand up with a particular I mean observational comedy,
which seems to have faded a little bit, but he
was right.
Speaker 2: So now he's gonna blame that by the fact that, oh,
it's not me. It's not the fact that type my
version of comedy is out of vogue. It's not me.
It's all the woke people that just don't appreciate. Yeah,
he's observational humor.
Speaker 1: Jerry Seinfeld is he's a rich, seventy year old billionaire
and he's not going to be very relatable. He can't
really I mean, first off, again, how many times can
he do? How did that suck get there? I mean,
it's really not going to hold up, so he's got
to write an entire different act, which isn't gonna happen
at seventy. So to stay relevant, he makes pop tart
movies and he complains about the kids. It's sort of
a variation on Bill Maher, Right, just complain about the
kids and it's you know, it's it's it's hack and
it's lazy, but who cares. He's a billionaire, right.
Speaker 2: It is just amazing, though, how we have have this
whole society of people that are angry about like I
don't want to have to learn new pronouns and I'm
not gonna say they because it's not grammatically correct, Like
that's the hell you're going to die on is that
people want to use a different pronoun Like that's what
you're gonna say, is everybody's too woke with their pronouns.
Speaker 1: It's so different.
Speaker 2: But they're not wanting to use the R word when
not there, you know, I mean, we can't say these words.
I like the fact that Sarah Silverman a long time
ago was just like, yeah, I used to have like
I used to say the R word in my act,
and I was like, could I not use that word? Yeah,
if that if I find out that that word like
hurts people, could I just use a different word? Sure can,
Like it's not that difficult to but it's nothing you
woke or be aware of. And I don't think that
it's gotten to the level. Yes, are there sometimes when
you're like, oh I oh shoot, we can't say that anymore,
And then the kids will go like, no, you can't
say that anymore. But are you gonna get arrested for
it or really like get in trouble.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: So you could be an asshole and be like, well,
I don't care, I'm gonna use that word anyway, or
you could be like all right, But.
Speaker 1: You know what the issue is what podcasts? Because imagine
if there had been podcasts back in nineteen fifty eight,
and you could have put a podcast at the Friars
Club after a roast and you know, put Milton Burrell
and George Burns talking about Lenny Bruce or later on
talking about George Carlin. They bitched about it over you know,
Martini's and it never left the room. But now, because
every comic spends four days a week on a podcast,
even Jerry Seinfeld, it's you know you now hear every
complaint and everything thought is public. But I mean, I'm
sure that you had every generation of comics shits on
the next and I'm sure that you know, I mean,
can you imagine can you imagine somebody, Oh, I'm sorry,
my phone is buzzing, Damn new iPhones. The old ones
didn't do that. But but i mean, can you imagine
comics talking about George Carlin. But I'm sure they hated him.
I'm sure that the old you know, the the the
you know the well.
Speaker 2: It isn't that kind of the opposite. You think they
hated him because he was being edgy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm sure they just because it's different
and it's something that's reaching the public and it's something
you can't do anymore, or you can't. I mean, you've
got you've got the guys who were what am I
thinking of the Catskills? You know, yeah, comedians who were
great in the thirties and the forties and into the fifties.
You get into the sixties and you couldn't I mean,
they couldn't go to like, you know, what were the
your naked eye what were the were they? What were
the rooms that your dad was playing in the sixties,
Hungry Eye, the Hungry Eye. I mean, somebody like you know,
Milton Burrell, Shecky Green couldn't play those rooms. And I'm
sure that was that was difficult for them because they
were then consigned to sort of a more senior circuit.
They weren't getting on the TV shows as much. Obviously
the Tonight showe everything would always book the old guys,
but they weren't. They weren't the cutting edge, and I'm
sure that they were unhappy, and I'm sure that they vented,
but they just didn't have that back channel platform that
the podcasts give.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 1: So now every time you know, Jerry Seinfeld or Bill Maher,
you know, have just a gripe, it's out and then
people subclip it and it just amplifies it and you
realize just the mind of a wealthy seventy year old
comic who isn't getting the attention that they used.
Speaker 4: To, right.
Speaker 2: Yah ah, what do you think, Cayln?
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean you don't walk around.
Speaker 2: Going like, uh, these woke, this woke generation, it's ruining comedy.
Speaker 3: No, I no, And I don't think that, like, I mean, yeah,
there was a time there when everyone was getting like
exposed and like trying to get canceled. But I feel
like that's over now.
Speaker 2: People getting exposed, they like they were getting exposed for
exposing themselves, like Louis c k Like, that's not canceled.
Like Bill Bill Cosby didn't get canceled. He got arrested,
you know, he got tried drugging and raping women.
Speaker 3: But there was other people that was like like Al Franken,
you know, he took the picture and I's got to
go or like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that was the opposite. That was literally the opposite.
That was the Republicans canceling Al Franken, I mean, and
then we canceled him, which was, Yeah, I'm totally against that.
Speaker 1: Kristin Gilibert Gillibrand actually.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kiss yeah, can't stand her. But it's mostly the
right that's canceling. People on the left banning our books
and canceling bud Light and well it's waycotting things for
no reason.
Speaker 1: But there's plenty in both directions. But if you listen
to a lot of comics, it's just you know, the
intolerant left. But I mean, I honestly haven't seen too
many liberals taking you know, a semi automatic and blowing
up bud light cases or burning their courag or burning
their nikes. So I mean there's a slightly different tenor
on either side, but you never I don't hear too
many comics, you know, taking kid Rock to to task
for badly barely being able to shoot up. Yeah, but
light kid Rock's a terrible shot. Can I say that
if you actually look at that video, really not a
good shot.
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didn't leave anybody out, Thank you, everybody, Thank you, John,
thank you for coming in here. And we're going to
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