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Speaker 1: so please to get the late edition of my next guest.
Speaker 1: He's been on before, Jared Nod And he has a
Speaker 1: numerous articles published in National Magazine, alongside some of America's
Speaker 1: most famous writers, American Greatness Magazine, Human Events Magazine, The
Speaker 1: Mensa Bulletin, The American Thinker, and BPR. A decorated combat
Speaker 1: infantry officer in Vietnam and the first Cavalry Division civilian career,
Speaker 1: he served as vice president of Sales and Marketing and
Speaker 1: marketing director and Home improvement Industry and thank you for
Speaker 1: your service for our country. Last time he was on
Speaker 1: the program, we talked about his prior first book, Tiny Blunders,
Speaker 1: Big Disasters thirty nine Tiny Mistakes that Change the World Forever.
Speaker 1: Now we have volume two, Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters Book two,
Speaker 1: the many Tiny Mistakes that Change the World Forever. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to the fifty five KRS Morning Show, Jared not
Speaker 1: It's a pleasure to have.
Speaker 2: You on, AM. I just an honor to be here.
Speaker 1: I was laughing. I know you're a MENSA member, and
Speaker 1: so I've been a member for twenty years, and the
Speaker 1: only time I ever bring it up is in the
Speaker 1: context of self deprecation self deprecating moments when I point
Speaker 1: out that, you know, yeah, I'm a member of MENSA,
Speaker 1: but I'm still an idiot. It just depends on what
Speaker 1: category you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my wife would agree with you, I think, yeah.
Speaker 1: I know, well you married smart. I'm sure you did anyway.
Speaker 1: I first off, these things I love, these books, just
Speaker 1: absolutely amazing. We're going given to a couple of illustrations.
Speaker 1: What people are going to find in here surprising and
Speaker 1: quite often somewhat humorous. How do you research, let's talk about,
Speaker 1: for example, the end of the Roman Empire. You can
Speaker 1: explain to my listeners the context for this, but how
Speaker 1: do you research something like this? And what brought up
Speaker 1: the idea of adding that one to tiny Blunder's Big disasters?
Speaker 1: What led you to the breakdown of why this small
Speaker 1: issue ended up well bringing the end of the Roman Empire?
Speaker 2: Yes, well, my I have I tell people that my
Speaker 2: mind is a trash bin of and I may forget
Speaker 2: where I put my keys, but I can remember stuff
Speaker 2: I read thirty forty fifty years ago, and I read
Speaker 2: that story long time ago about to say somebody forgetting
Speaker 2: to close and lock the gate of one of the
Speaker 2: one of the major defensive walls of the fortress there
Speaker 2: was then it was Constantinoble And so then I go
Speaker 2: back and research it online. And that's one thing about
Speaker 2: writing a book today is that you had this great,
Speaker 2: wonderful library available at your at your fingertips. And it's
Speaker 2: an interneing story. And Lee al Musk's been on a
Speaker 2: tweet about two years ago from a cartoon of like
Speaker 2: a soldier in bed and he's had a bubble above
Speaker 2: his head that says, did I remember to lock that gate? Okay?
Speaker 2: He send that out here kind of an old jail
Speaker 2: kind of thing where the people in Turkey were kind
Speaker 2: of offended by the whole thing. But anybody that brings up, yes,
Speaker 2: a tiny mistake back in the fourteen fifty three, and
Speaker 2: it was great pivotal in world history when Constantinoble fell
Speaker 2: name has now changed of course to Istanbul. That the
Speaker 2: Ottoman Empire took over that part of the world and
Speaker 2: the Silk Road going to the far east was closed. Well,
Speaker 2: then the people in Europe were desperate to get spices,
Speaker 2: which motivated that Christopher Columbus to persuade that the Spandings
Speaker 2: to get them three ships to sail directly west to
Speaker 2: try to find the spice Island's been going west as
Speaker 2: opposed to going down the Silk Road. Of course, that
Speaker 2: set off a whole big discovery of the New World, etc.
Speaker 2: That's a whole big story in itself. By the way,
Speaker 2: they marvelous mistake Christopher Columbus is an interesting story in itself,
Speaker 2: But that was triggered because of the fall of Constantinople
Speaker 2: and also another big factor of why the fortress fell.
Speaker 2: Magnificently designed and built fortress had three different the walls
Speaker 2: made of brick, and up until that time fortresses were
Speaker 2: solid and strolling and difficult to defeat. But so one
Speaker 2: of the very first time cannon were brought into use,
Speaker 2: and they had a great, big, gigantic bronze cannon cannon.
Speaker 2: It was like twenty seven feet long, and it was
Speaker 2: what they call a bombard, and that means it shot
Speaker 2: the big stone with a great big, one ton round
Speaker 2: rock was fired from the cannon would go about a
Speaker 2: mile and bound hit the walls of the city and
Speaker 2: it started battering them down, So that along with the
Speaker 2: mistake was a factor. Also the black plague and wiped
Speaker 2: out a large amount of the population. They only had
Speaker 2: about seven thousand defenders eighty thousand attackers. That was another factor.
Speaker 2: And all that came together. By the way, the canon
Speaker 2: later flew up and killed the men who were operating it.
Speaker 2: So it was an interesting picture of that great big thing.
Speaker 2: They still have a sample of some of those old cannons,
Speaker 2: great big, gigantic things. That's an interesting story in itself,
Speaker 2: but anyway, major turning point in history, but it might
Speaker 2: not have faught. You don't know. There are different factors.
Speaker 2: Right If somebody member to a close and locked the
Speaker 2: damn gate. Yeah, so that's a tiny bunder that calls
Speaker 2: a huge news change in the direction of that history.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: That reminds me of the story from your first book,
Speaker 1: Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters, thirty nine Mistakes that the soldier
Speaker 1: who kicked a helmet off a wall which ultimately resulted
Speaker 1: in an empire following. That's worth reading too for my
Speaker 1: listeners who don't have a copy of that book. You're
Speaker 1: going to want to get it as well. What's the
Speaker 1: funniest one? I mean, if you had describe something in
Speaker 1: terms of a mistake or a blunder, what's the funniest
Speaker 1: one you encountered in your second book here?
Speaker 2: Yes, and it's actually when my book. And I think
Speaker 2: of myself as a cheerful, happy person, okay, but my book,
Speaker 2: by its great nature, is kind of negative. We're talking
Speaker 2: about mistakes only it's a big disaster. But this one
Speaker 2: was a tiny mistake that had a marvelous outcome. And
Speaker 2: I begin by saying that Professor Fleming was a slob.
Speaker 2: You might even see a total slob. And he's sort
Speaker 2: of like the patron saint and role model for slobs everywhere.
Speaker 2: And I have a wife, but he's identified with him.
Speaker 2: But anyway, he was with the professor in the Saint
Speaker 2: Mary's Hospital in London in nineteen twenty eight, okay, and
Speaker 2: he kept this messy laboratory and he's going to go
Speaker 2: to his home the country of Scotland for vacation. Okay.
Speaker 2: He has a lot of dirty dishes, in this case
Speaker 2: petri dishes mirrored with bacteria. But he just leaves him
Speaker 2: there and his lab not much from this stacked up
Speaker 2: fire lined up on the table. By the way, very important.
Speaker 2: He opens up a window, leaves the window wide open
Speaker 2: into his laboratory. The two weeks that he's gone, well,
Speaker 2: what happens is a spore comes in through the window,
Speaker 2: they think, and lands right in one of the petrie dishes.
Speaker 2: We're kind of spoor where it comes back from Scotland.
Speaker 2: And he starts to clean the dishes and lo and behold,
Speaker 2: right in the middle of the petrie dish is a
Speaker 2: penicillin mole spore which has killed all of the bacteria
Speaker 2: around it. Is a clear space all around it starting
Speaker 2: getting fluffy, it's growing, it's prospering right there in the
Speaker 2: middle of the bacteria, killing all of the bacteria around him.
Speaker 2: And there's, by the way, a big war taking place
Speaker 2: in the microscopic world between bowls and between between bacteria,
Speaker 2: between the viruses, just like the jungles of Africa, killing
Speaker 2: each other and wiping each other out, and the penicilline
Speaker 2: bowls on further examinations is able to cause the wall
Speaker 2: of bacteria to break to burst, and then the entire
Speaker 2: cell structures and it's destroyed. Well anyway, so Fleming follows
Speaker 2: through is able to. It's hard to grow. That penaione
Speaker 2: that gets to grow, gets the Jews and confirms his findings,
Speaker 2: publishes it into a new newspaper, a journal, a medical journal,
Speaker 2: is ignored for ten years, but then ten years later
Speaker 2: it's picked up by the people of Oxford, and step
Speaker 2: by step by step, that initial breakthrough leads to the
Speaker 2: development of the medicine of penicilla, the world's first antibiotic.
Speaker 2: It is saved over a half a billion lives, and
Speaker 2: that's a conservative estimate. And the entire field of anabahotics
Speaker 2: took place because of that sloppy a lot of parvatory
Speaker 2: in Saint Mary's House of nineteen twenty eight. Thank gosh,
Speaker 2: you was such a sloppy person, or no telling where
Speaker 2: we would be.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure there's someone other going No, that was
Speaker 1: divine intervention. God put that spore there for a reason.
Speaker 1: But you think about that led to, as you point out,
Speaker 1: antibiotic research generally speaking, and if you look at all
Speaker 1: of the lives saved by all of the antibiotics out
Speaker 1: there the world, you probably couldn't even count that high.
Speaker 1: A huge well, and then the hundreds and hundreds of
Speaker 1: million we're talking with with Jared Notd, author of Tiny
Speaker 1: Blunder's Big Disasters book too. The flip side of that, though,
Speaker 1: is the mistake that led to over well costing the
Speaker 1: lives of millions of people worldwide. Is that a reference
Speaker 1: to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's another mistake in the laboratory. And I'd say
Speaker 2: in the last one hundred years two of the biggest
Speaker 2: developments in medicine took place as the result of mistakes
Speaker 2: in the laboratory. One very very good, that one very bad.
Speaker 2: And of course it was exactly right, even though it
Speaker 2: was denied by Anthony Thauci. The evidence is pretty so
Speaker 2: beyond agrees and the NY Department degrees and the evidence
Speaker 2: is pretty solid. But yes, a mistake in the Wolhan
Speaker 2: lab led to a what's called gain of function virus.
Speaker 2: What they did they take two different viruses and they
Speaker 2: combine them and it's much more aggressive than the original
Speaker 2: virus was by itself. And that's very very dangerous research.
Speaker 2: A lot of the virologists there are always warned against
Speaker 2: doing it at all. And he found she said, no,
Speaker 2: I think the main information to be gained is worth
Speaker 2: the risk, and he was paying for gain of function
Speaker 2: research and the Wulhon lab back in about going back
Speaker 2: about eight nine, ten years ago in that range. Well,
Speaker 2: sure enough they were warned that their lably could cause
Speaker 2: it aster. Was sure enough they had a lab leak,
Speaker 2: and Anthony about you, brilliant man that he is, came
Speaker 2: up with this counter theory. Oh no, it came from
Speaker 2: the fish market over there into Gohan market. Well no,
Speaker 2: the evidence is pointing heavily in the other direction though.
Speaker 2: It was a lab leak, and that the United States
Speaker 2: taxpayers had been funding that kind of research in Wohan.
Speaker 2: And look at the disaster. We have the exact numbers.
Speaker 2: Hard to say. They say that India has downplayed their numbers.
Speaker 2: China's downplay their numbers. It may be well over ten
Speaker 2: fifteen billion by now, it's certainly at least seven billion,
Speaker 2: but it maybe ten or fifteen million. We're not done yet,
Speaker 2: So that's a lab mistake.
Speaker 1: Thatch was was disastrous, without question, And let's pivot over.
Speaker 1: I kind of laughed about the events surrounding the sinking
Speaker 1: of the bis Mark. The Bismark didn't really have to sing.
Speaker 1: Follow orders is a simple rule that you can learn
Speaker 1: from this blunder.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, that's very interesting. The German captain so
Speaker 2: by the way, was admitted to a lady who was
Speaker 2: half a jillious and he had actually taken a stand
Speaker 2: to something against the Hitler and the abuse of Jews.
Speaker 2: But because of the Citus dead officer, he was allowed
Speaker 2: to stay in the navy and was not prosecuted. But
Speaker 2: anyway considered very good cats and overall, but he had
Speaker 2: England is very very dependent on convoys coming to it
Speaker 2: to give it the petroleum, to give it to food,
Speaker 2: et cetera. Being an isolated island and World War two
Speaker 2: that was just critically important. Did the convoys stay open
Speaker 2: coming from the United States, in particular, their purpose of
Speaker 2: the Bismarck was to go into the North Atlantic and
Speaker 2: to begin attacking those vital convoys. The British were extremely
Speaker 2: concerned what the damage they could do. So they're monitoring it.
Speaker 2: They're monitoring, and it broke out into the North Atlantic
Speaker 2: and they began to close in agressive as they could.
Speaker 2: The HMS Hood, which was the pride of the British Navy,
Speaker 2: closes with the Bismark to Bismark in just a few
Speaker 2: minutes he's able to sink the hood. There was a
Speaker 2: weakness and the design of the hood. It's central ducks
Speaker 2: were not well reinforced around. Hit the center part of
Speaker 2: the ship, hit the armory down below, blows up the
Speaker 2: ship in just a few minutes to survivor or something
Speaker 2: like that. Huge huge blow to British pride and a
Speaker 2: huge blow to the British Navy. Well, then they have
Speaker 2: a number of ships chasing the birs Market and it's
Speaker 2: going in the Sound AND's big storms there in the
Speaker 2: North Atlantic, and the Bismark is turning to the left,
Speaker 2: turning to a port, and it's turning to the right
Speaker 2: to starboard, left, right, left, and then swings the right,
Speaker 2: and he just keeps on calling to the right and
Speaker 2: goes to the west and then circles back to the North. Well,
Speaker 2: the British loses the mark. Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: they got the business mark loose, and the North Atlantic
Speaker 2: didn't know what it is and how they out find it.
Speaker 2: But the captain makes a critical mistake. He breaks radio silence.
Speaker 2: Now he's warned by his headquarters back in France radio
Speaker 2: to him, we think you've lost the British Navy do
Speaker 2: not use the radio maintained radio silence, and he had
Speaker 2: li respect for those people. They don't know what to
Speaker 2: talk about and never did trust him go pound sand
Speaker 2: so keeps on using breaking radio silent and the British
Speaker 2: turnout pick up this signal. They are able to triangulate
Speaker 2: and then able to now start. They found them again,
Speaker 2: they start, come again once again, and ultimately it led
Speaker 2: to the British the ship being sucked another The old
Speaker 2: tiny mistake is kind of funny. It was that planes
Speaker 2: off of the British carrier Arc Royal. They were attacking
Speaker 2: these bismarket by dropping torpedoes against it. And these oh
Speaker 2: World War one biplanes can only fly at ninety miles
Speaker 2: an hour. Well, the targeting systems on board the bismark
Speaker 2: were only manufactured designed to go down to one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifteen miles an hour, so the planes were too
Speaker 2: slow for them to target very well to come in
Speaker 2: and they wanted to COPEDO gets real lucky. It hits
Speaker 2: the rudder of the Buszmark which cripples it and you
Speaker 2: can only go in circles. Then they're able to sink it.
Speaker 2: But if they had better targeting systems. Let's say they
Speaker 2: go down to eighty miles an hour if they had
Speaker 2: not broken radio silence and serious sense that the Buzmark
Speaker 2: might have gotten away right, the follow orders and toe
Speaker 2: the line, and you're better off.
Speaker 1: Tiny blunders, big disaster's book too, the many tiny mistakes
Speaker 1: that change the world forever. My guests today, Jared Not
Speaker 1: and get the first book wire at it. I always
Speaker 1: mean this with absolute praise. Would you characterize this as
Speaker 1: a bathroom book? It's easy to get through a little
Speaker 1: story and then you pick it up later and move on.
Speaker 1: Is that type of book it is set out?
Speaker 2: Yes, unlike a novel, we have to go from the
Speaker 2: beginning all the way to the end. You can just
Speaker 2: send through it, pick out the stories and thirty forty
Speaker 2: stories to pick out the ones you like the best
Speaker 2: and read those, come back to the others later or
Speaker 2: whatever like that. So it's the fun went to have
Speaker 2: sitting there next to the john, like you say, and
Speaker 2: just take out a story each time you get it,
Speaker 2: you want to sit down and depending on how long
Speaker 2: the story is and how long the proof is, take
Speaker 2: your pick.
Speaker 1: I love it that way, Jared and Not, I thank
Speaker 1: you spending time my listeners with me. Thanks for writing
Speaker 1: the book, and my listeners can easily get a copy
Speaker 1: just going over to fifty five Karsey dot com. There's
Speaker 1: a link that'll take them to where they'll buy the book.
Speaker 1: Jared not looking forward to volume three.
Speaker 2: My friend, thank you so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: You're more than welcome. Eight twenty almost eight twenty one.
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