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<v Speaker 1>Ato five, the fifty five KRS the talk station. Happy Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 1>so please to get the late edition of my next guest.

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<v Speaker 1>He's been on before, Jared Nod And he has a

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<v Speaker 1>numerous articles published in National Magazine, alongside some of America's

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<v Speaker 1>most famous writers, American Greatness Magazine, Human Events Magazine, The

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<v Speaker 1>Mensa Bulletin, The American Thinker, and BPR. A decorated combat

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<v Speaker 1>infantry officer in Vietnam and the first Cavalry Division civilian career,

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<v Speaker 1>he served as vice president of Sales and Marketing and

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<v Speaker 1>marketing director and Home improvement Industry and thank you for

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<v Speaker 1>your service for our country. Last time he was on

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<v Speaker 1>the program, we talked about his prior first book, Tiny Blunders,

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<v Speaker 1>Big Disasters thirty nine Tiny Mistakes that Change the World Forever.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we have volume two, Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters Book two,

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<v Speaker 1>the many Tiny Mistakes that Change the World Forever. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>back to the fifty five KRS Morning Show, Jared not

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<v Speaker 1>It's a pleasure to have.

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<v Speaker 2>You on, AM. I just an honor to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I was laughing. I know you're a MENSA member, and

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<v Speaker 1>so I've been a member for twenty years, and the

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<v Speaker 1>only time I ever bring it up is in the

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<v Speaker 1>context of self deprecation self deprecating moments when I point

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<v Speaker 1>out that, you know, yeah, I'm a member of MENSA,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm still an idiot. It just depends on what

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<v Speaker 1>category you're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my wife would agree with you, I think, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, well you married smart. I'm sure you did anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>I first off, these things I love, these books, just

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely amazing. We're going given to a couple of illustrations.

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<v Speaker 1>What people are going to find in here surprising and

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<v Speaker 1>quite often somewhat humorous. How do you research, let's talk about,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, the end of the Roman Empire. You can

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<v Speaker 1>explain to my listeners the context for this, but how

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<v Speaker 1>do you research something like this? And what brought up

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of adding that one to tiny Blunder's Big disasters?

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<v Speaker 1>What led you to the breakdown of why this small

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<v Speaker 1>issue ended up well bringing the end of the Roman Empire?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, my I have I tell people that my

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<v Speaker 2>mind is a trash bin of and I may forget

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<v Speaker 2>where I put my keys, but I can remember stuff

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<v Speaker 2>I read thirty forty fifty years ago, and I read

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<v Speaker 2>that story long time ago about to say somebody forgetting

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<v Speaker 2>to close and lock the gate of one of the

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<v Speaker 2>one of the major defensive walls of the fortress there

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<v Speaker 2>was then it was Constantinoble And so then I go

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<v Speaker 2>back and research it online. And that's one thing about

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<v Speaker 2>writing a book today is that you had this great,

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<v Speaker 2>wonderful library available at your at your fingertips. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>an interneing story. And Lee al Musk's been on a

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<v Speaker 2>tweet about two years ago from a cartoon of like

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<v Speaker 2>a soldier in bed and he's had a bubble above

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<v Speaker 2>his head that says, did I remember to lock that gate? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>He send that out here kind of an old jail

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing where the people in Turkey were kind

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<v Speaker 2>of offended by the whole thing. But anybody that brings up, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>a tiny mistake back in the fourteen fifty three, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was great pivotal in world history when Constantinoble fell

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<v Speaker 2>name has now changed of course to Istanbul. That the

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<v Speaker 2>Ottoman Empire took over that part of the world and

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<v Speaker 2>the Silk Road going to the far east was closed. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>then the people in Europe were desperate to get spices,

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<v Speaker 2>which motivated that Christopher Columbus to persuade that the Spandings

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<v Speaker 2>to get them three ships to sail directly west to

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<v Speaker 2>try to find the spice Island's been going west as

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<v Speaker 2>opposed to going down the Silk Road. Of course, that

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<v Speaker 2>set off a whole big discovery of the New World, etc.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a whole big story in itself. By the way,

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<v Speaker 2>they marvelous mistake Christopher Columbus is an interesting story in itself,

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<v Speaker 2>But that was triggered because of the fall of Constantinople

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<v Speaker 2>and also another big factor of why the fortress fell.

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<v Speaker 2>Magnificently designed and built fortress had three different the walls

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<v Speaker 2>made of brick, and up until that time fortresses were

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<v Speaker 2>of the very first time cannon were brought into use,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had a great, big, gigantic bronze cannon cannon.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like twenty seven feet long, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>what they call a bombard, and that means it shot

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<v Speaker 2>the big stone with a great big, one ton round

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<v Speaker 2>rock was fired from the cannon would go about a

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<v Speaker 2>mile and bound hit the walls of the city and

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<v Speaker 2>it started battering them down, So that along with the

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<v Speaker 2>mistake was a factor. Also the black plague and wiped

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<v Speaker 2>out a large amount of the population. They only had

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<v Speaker 2>about seven thousand defenders eighty thousand attackers. That was another factor.

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<v Speaker 2>And all that came together. By the way, the canon

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<v Speaker 2>later flew up and killed the men who were operating it.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was an interesting picture of that great big thing.

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<v Speaker 2>They still have a sample of some of those old cannons,

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<v Speaker 2>great big, gigantic things. That's an interesting story in itself,

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<v Speaker 2>but anyway, major turning point in history, but it might

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<v Speaker 2>not have faught. You don't know. There are different factors.

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<v Speaker 2>Right If somebody member to a close and locked the

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<v Speaker 2>damn gate. Yeah, so that's a tiny bunder that calls

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<v Speaker 2>a huge news change in the direction of that history.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>That reminds me of the story from your first book,

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<v Speaker 1>Tiny Blunders, Big Disasters, thirty nine Mistakes that the soldier

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<v Speaker 1>who kicked a helmet off a wall which ultimately resulted

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<v Speaker 1>in an empire following. That's worth reading too for my

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<v Speaker 1>listeners who don't have a copy of that book. You're

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<v Speaker 1>going to want to get it as well. What's the

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<v Speaker 1>funniest one? I mean, if you had describe something in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of a mistake or a blunder, what's the funniest

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<v Speaker 1>one you encountered in your second book here?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it's actually when my book. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>of myself as a cheerful, happy person, okay, but my book,

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<v Speaker 2>by its great nature, is kind of negative. We're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about mistakes only it's a big disaster. But this one

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<v Speaker 2>was a tiny mistake that had a marvelous outcome. And

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<v Speaker 2>I begin by saying that Professor Fleming was a slob.

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<v Speaker 2>You might even see a total slob. And he's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of like the patron saint and role model for slobs everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have a wife, but he's identified with him.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, he was with the professor in the Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Mary's Hospital in London in nineteen twenty eight, okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>he kept this messy laboratory and he's going to go

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<v Speaker 2>to his home the country of Scotland for vacation. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a lot of dirty dishes, in this case

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<v Speaker 2>petri dishes mirrored with bacteria. But he just leaves him

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<v Speaker 2>there and his lab not much from this stacked up

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<v Speaker 2>fire lined up on the table. By the way, very important.

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<v Speaker 2>He opens up a window, leaves the window wide open

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<v Speaker 2>into his laboratory. The two weeks that he's gone, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what happens is a spore comes in through the window,

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<v Speaker 2>they think, and lands right in one of the petrie dishes.

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<v Speaker 2>We're kind of spoor where it comes back from Scotland.

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<v Speaker 2>And he starts to clean the dishes and lo and behold,

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<v Speaker 2>right in the middle of the petrie dish is a

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<v Speaker 2>penicillin mole spore which has killed all of the bacteria

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<v Speaker 2>around it. Is a clear space all around it starting

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<v Speaker 2>getting fluffy, it's growing, it's prospering right there in the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of the bacteria, killing all of the bacteria around him.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's, by the way, a big war taking place

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<v Speaker 2>in the microscopic world between bowls and between between bacteria,

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<v Speaker 2>between the viruses, just like the jungles of Africa, killing

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<v Speaker 2>each other and wiping each other out, and the penicilline

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<v Speaker 2>bowls on further examinations is able to cause the wall

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<v Speaker 2>of bacteria to break to burst, and then the entire

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<v Speaker 2>cell structures and it's destroyed. Well anyway, so Fleming follows

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<v Speaker 2>through is able to. It's hard to grow. That penaione

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<v Speaker 2>that gets to grow, gets the Jews and confirms his findings,

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<v Speaker 2>publishes it into a new newspaper, a journal, a medical journal,

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<v Speaker 2>is ignored for ten years, but then ten years later

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<v Speaker 2>it's picked up by the people of Oxford, and step

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<v Speaker 2>by step by step, that initial breakthrough leads to the

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<v Speaker 2>development of the medicine of penicilla, the world's first antibiotic.

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<v Speaker 2>It is saved over a half a billion lives, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's a conservative estimate. And the entire field of anabahotics

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<v Speaker 2>took place because of that sloppy a lot of parvatory

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<v Speaker 2>in Saint Mary's House of nineteen twenty eight. Thank gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>you was such a sloppy person, or no telling where

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure there's someone other going No, that was

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<v Speaker 1>divine intervention. God put that spore there for a reason.

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<v Speaker 1>But you think about that led to, as you point out,

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<v Speaker 1>antibiotic research generally speaking, and if you look at all

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<v Speaker 1>of the lives saved by all of the antibiotics out

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<v Speaker 1>there the world, you probably couldn't even count that high.

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<v Speaker 1>A huge well, and then the hundreds and hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>million we're talking with with Jared Notd, author of Tiny

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<v Speaker 1>Blunder's Big Disasters book too. The flip side of that, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is the mistake that led to over well costing the

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<v Speaker 1>lives of millions of people worldwide. Is that a reference

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<v Speaker 1>to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's another mistake in the laboratory. And I'd say

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<v Speaker 2>in the last one hundred years two of the biggest

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<v Speaker 2>developments in medicine took place as the result of mistakes

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<v Speaker 2>in the laboratory. One very very good, that one very bad.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course it was exactly right, even though it

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<v Speaker 2>was denied by Anthony Thauci. The evidence is pretty so

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<v Speaker 2>beyond agrees and the NY Department degrees and the evidence

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty solid. But yes, a mistake in the Wolhan

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<v Speaker 2>lab led to a what's called gain of function virus.

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<v Speaker 2>What they did they take two different viruses and they

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<v Speaker 2>combine them and it's much more aggressive than the original

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<v Speaker 2>virus was by itself. And that's very very dangerous research.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of the virologists there are always warned against

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<v Speaker 2>doing it at all. And he found she said, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I think the main information to be gained is worth

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<v Speaker 2>the risk, and he was paying for gain of function

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<v Speaker 2>research and the Wulhon lab back in about going back

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<v Speaker 2>about eight nine, ten years ago in that range. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>sure enough they were warned that their lably could cause

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<v Speaker 2>it aster. Was sure enough they had a lab leak,

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<v Speaker 2>and Anthony about you, brilliant man that he is, came

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<v Speaker 2>up with this counter theory. Oh no, it came from

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<v Speaker 2>the fish market over there into Gohan market. Well no,

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence is pointing heavily in the other direction though.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a lab leak, and that the United States

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<v Speaker 2>taxpayers had been funding that kind of research in Wohan.

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<v Speaker 2>And look at the disaster. We have the exact numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Hard to say. They say that India has downplayed their numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>China's downplay their numbers. It may be well over ten

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen billion by now, it's certainly at least seven billion,

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<v Speaker 2>but it maybe ten or fifteen million. We're not done yet,

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a lab mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>Thatch was was disastrous, without question, And let's pivot over.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of laughed about the events surrounding the sinking

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<v Speaker 1>of the bis Mark. The Bismark didn't really have to sing.

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<v Speaker 1>Follow orders is a simple rule that you can learn

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's right, that's very interesting. The German captain so

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, was admitted to a lady who was

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<v Speaker 2>to something against the Hitler and the abuse of Jews.

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<v Speaker 2>But because of the Citus dead officer, he was allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to stay in the navy and was not prosecuted. But

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<v Speaker 2>anyway considered very good cats and overall, but he had

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<v Speaker 2>England is very very dependent on convoys coming to it

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<v Speaker 2>to give it the petroleum, to give it to food,

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<v Speaker 2>et cetera. Being an isolated island and World War two

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<v Speaker 2>that was just critically important. Did the convoys stay open

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<v Speaker 2>coming from the United States, in particular, their purpose of

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<v Speaker 2>the Bismarck was to go into the North Atlantic and

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<v Speaker 2>to begin attacking those vital convoys. The British were extremely

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<v Speaker 2>concerned what the damage they could do. So they're monitoring it.

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<v Speaker 2>They're monitoring, and it broke out into the North Atlantic

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<v Speaker 2>and they began to close in agressive as they could.

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<v Speaker 2>The HMS Hood, which was the pride of the British Navy,

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<v Speaker 2>closes with the Bismark to Bismark in just a few

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<v Speaker 2>minutes he's able to sink the hood. There was a

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<v Speaker 2>were not well reinforced around. Hit the center part of

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<v Speaker 2>like that. Huge huge blow to British pride and a

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<v Speaker 2>huge blow to the British Navy. Well, then they have

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<v Speaker 2>going in the Sound AND's big storms there in the

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<v Speaker 2>North Atlantic, and the Bismark is turning to the left,

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<v Speaker 2>turning to a port, and it's turning to the right

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<v Speaker 2>to starboard, left, right, left, and then swings the right,

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<v Speaker 2>and he just keeps on calling to the right and

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<v Speaker 2>goes to the west and then circles back to the North. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the British loses the mark. Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 2>they got the business mark loose, and the North Atlantic

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<v Speaker 2>didn't know what it is and how they out find it.

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<v Speaker 2>But the captain makes a critical mistake. He breaks radio silence.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he's warned by his headquarters back in France radio

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<v Speaker 2>to him, we think you've lost the British Navy do

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<v Speaker 2>not use the radio maintained radio silence, and he had

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<v Speaker 2>li respect for those people. They don't know what to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about and never did trust him go pound sand

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<v Speaker 2>so keeps on using breaking radio silent and the British

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<v Speaker 2>turnout pick up this signal. They are able to triangulate

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<v Speaker 2>and then able to now start. They found them again,

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<v Speaker 2>they start, come again once again, and ultimately it led

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<v Speaker 2>to the British the ship being sucked another The old

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<v Speaker 2>tiny mistake is kind of funny. It was that planes

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<v Speaker 2>off of the British carrier Arc Royal. They were attacking

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<v Speaker 2>these bismarket by dropping torpedoes against it. And these oh

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<v Speaker 2>World War one biplanes can only fly at ninety miles

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<v Speaker 2>an hour. Well, the targeting systems on board the bismark

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<v Speaker 2>were only manufactured designed to go down to one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifteen miles an hour, so the planes were too

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<v Speaker 2>slow for them to target very well to come in

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<v Speaker 2>and they wanted to COPEDO gets real lucky. It hits

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<v Speaker 2>the rudder of the Buszmark which cripples it and you

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<v Speaker 2>can only go in circles. Then they're able to sink it.

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<v Speaker 2>But if they had better targeting systems. Let's say they

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<v Speaker 2>go down to eighty miles an hour if they had

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<v Speaker 2>not broken radio silence and serious sense that the Buzmark

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<v Speaker 2>might have gotten away right, the follow orders and toe

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<v Speaker 2>the line, and you're better off.

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<v Speaker 1>Tiny blunders, big disaster's book too, the many tiny mistakes

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<v Speaker 1>that change the world forever. My guests today, Jared Not

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<v Speaker 1>and get the first book wire at it. I always

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<v Speaker 1>mean this with absolute praise. Would you characterize this as

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<v Speaker 1>a bathroom book? It's easy to get through a little

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<v Speaker 1>story and then you pick it up later and move on.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that type of book it is set out?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, unlike a novel, we have to go from the

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<v Speaker 2>beginning all the way to the end. You can just

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<v Speaker 2>send through it, pick out the stories and thirty forty

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<v Speaker 2>stories to pick out the ones you like the best

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<v Speaker 2>and read those, come back to the others later or

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<v Speaker 2>whatever like that. So it's the fun went to have

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<v Speaker 2>sitting there next to the john, like you say, and

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<v Speaker 2>just take out a story each time you get it,

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<v Speaker 2>you want to sit down and depending on how long

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<v Speaker 2>the story is and how long the proof is, take

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<v Speaker 2>your pick.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it that way, Jared and Not, I thank

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<v Speaker 1>you spending time my listeners with me. Thanks for writing

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<v Speaker 1>the book, and my listeners can easily get a copy

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<v Speaker 1>just going over to fifty five Karsey dot com. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a link that'll take them to where they'll buy the book.

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<v Speaker 1>Jared not looking forward to volume three.

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<v Speaker 2>My friend, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>You're more than welcome. Eight twenty almost eight twenty one.

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