Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to a Friday
happy hour. Hang here at clips and DIP. I am
Chuck Mockler, soon to be joined by Adam Osn and
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hour lives that we've been doing on Friday. They've been fun.
A horrible loss yesterday to the Thunder. I think most
of us thought it was going to be a loss.
I guess I didn't think they would turn the ball
over twenty nine times, which when you do that against
the best team in the league, not ideal. It was
the most turnovers the Clippers had had in twenty five years,
since the year two thousand. So they are just we say,
they keep finding new ways to lose, and it's it's true.
It's not hyperbole at all, and it's incredible so far.
Justin Rousseau had a great tweet. He said per cleaning
the glass. Last night, the Clippers had a ninety two
point four defensive rating in the half court is very good.
It's the seventh best mark they've had in a game
all season. But that didn't really matter because only sixty
eight percent of Oklahoma's possessions came in the half court
because of the twenty nine turnovers, so we got killed
and points off for turnovers. Max Skywalker's in the chat saying,
record breaking season. It is for all of the wrong reasons.
It is a nightmare. We don't like it. It's not fun.
Hold on our themes all off. Fucking restream. We use restream.
If you are someone who wants to stream, don't use restream.
It's annoying. Yeah, the playoffs are the playoffs are gonna
Are they gonna slow down? What are we five games
out of a play in? It's not good. Jimmy Williams
saying we need the hell background. I don't know if
we need the hell background yet we say the hell
background for when things tend to get super dark. Hard
was not in the game last night. He is playing
versus the Lakers tomorrow. The injury report just came out.
Harden will be there, which is good. I don't know
what other Clippers are gonna show up for that one.
It's been tough. Yes, this is a great point from
Alfonso lorm T Man Coffee and even KP jayon h.
The rebounding has been rough. The rebounding is really bad
this year, and we just keep getting killed in it.
I did wanna uh, oh, who is this Adam Osler?
And are you in your car or are you seated?
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm in my car, apartment, our apartment, yeah, my compartment,
car apartment.
Speaker 1: I was just lamenting the style of play the Clippers
shows last night, which was give the ball to the
other team.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, unfortunately that style only works if you are
that team and the OKC Thunder and you're that good
that you could overcome twenty nine turnovers. Honestly remarkable. They
were in that game till the four minute mark of
the third quarter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they started hot.
Speaker 2: They had turnovers then too, but then they're undoing during
the stretch that got them out of it was turnover
after turnover after turnover, and they got down by twenty
and two minutes, literally two minutes or seventeen to two seventeen.
Speaker 1: Damn not ideal. I was just saying Harden is playing tomorrow.
That's got to feel good, right.
Speaker 2: That is good. The Clippers will need him, I think obviously,
if you're looking for a reason that you have twenty
nine turnovers, first of all, maybe it's okay, see you credit.
Second of all, they don't have James Harden their floor
general out there, and it's a recipefore disaster. But not
surprised that James Harden's back and not even on the
injury report.
Speaker 1: So what do we max Skywalker's asking what do we
think of the offense without Harden? The first quarter was
pretty good?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, actually there were moments of ball movement that
were spectacular in that case Clippers. That's what's kind of frustrating, Like, yeah,
they had some really bad turnovers getting to their sets
and their actions, but when they did they swung it
around the perimeter beautifully at times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, But then I think the issue is you can
have one quarter of that and then without anything else,
you know what I mean, Like it looked great for
one quarter and then as soon as it starts to
go awry, it really goes awry.
Speaker 2: I mean, well, like it's not just that they don't
have hardened they don't have a competent backup point guard
because we thought going into the season it was going
to be Chris Paul and it's not that CP three
ever panned out to be that guy. We thought he
could be backing up James Harden obviously, and he sent
home now, But they Chris Dunn is not great, good
enough at it, Bogie's not good enough at it, Kawhi
not good enough at it. No, if they just had
somebody a little bit more adequate, like let's say Dennis
Schreuder was on this team.
Speaker 1: Bradley Veal was healthy, and you know, like like just
a relief like it's uh yeah, I don't know. I
couldn't believe it was the most turnover since two thousand,
But that's how things go. This year U twenty five
years of breaking new ground, which just fun.
Speaker 2: Well, you are going up against maybe the toughest ball
pressure team ever. I don't know this season.
Speaker 1: I know they are very good. I am not taking
away from the dedication and drilling that obviously has happened
with their defense. So come on, man, we can't just
be slapping guys like in the shoulders and shit, they
get a nice whistle, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think both those things could be true. Somebody got
mad at me last night because somebody just kept spamming
the chat and was like, Okay, she's not even good.
They're just cheat over and over again. So I put
him in time out. And then later I was checking
the comments section and somebody said, that's insane that you
put someone in time out for not thinking Oklahoma City's
defense is elite. Just because your opinion is that their
elite doesn't mean everybody else's has to be. So I
respond to that and said, sir, I think his name
was John. I said, dear John, this is not an
opinion that they're elite. It is a fact.
Speaker 1: And I lost four times or something like or not.
Speaker 2: I linked them to their defensive rating, which is historic.
The team that is behind them is as far behind them,
going from the number one defensive team and okay, see
to number two, as the number two team is from
the twenty fifth team a defensive rating, that's how far
number two is from number one this season. Like, I
don't know, I'm sorry, it's not an opinion that Oklahoma
City's defense is elite.
Speaker 1: Sounds pretty biased at them. Sounds like the numbers backup
your it sounds like you're backed up by almost every
metric which feels biased.
Speaker 2: Numbers Law, they're deceiving U turnovers was deceiving?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Were those true turnovers? That's my new made up
stat true turnovers. You know, like a turn you know
what I mean, Like I'm gonna I'm still figuring it out.
I'm still tweaking it, but I'm working on a new
stat called true turnovers. Make the Clippers look better?
Speaker 2: Turnover truth here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, true shooting yeah. Venkatta saying, I think if
we lose against the Lakers, we see some changes. There
wasn't interesting. I don't know if we'll see changes after that.
There was an interesting article from Law Today kind of
outlining how the fan vibes have not been good lately.
He had a clip where he said, if the Clippers
don't compete Saturday in an arena that will surely have
more than seventeen nine and twenty seven people seated, and
LA ends this weekend in last place in the West,
then it may be time for Balmer to address an
aggrieved fan base and speak on the direction of his team.
I don't think changes are coming if they lose to
the Lakers, but I think it. Obviously things are horrible
if they get washed. I think I don't know what
the break point is for this fan base that hasn't
seen the Clippers ever be this bad before. There's maybe
something to these paper bags in the wall or something
tomorrow night on people. I don't know, but it would sting.
I'm not saying it will tonight. It just might not
be it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it could be a new low point, which
would be saying something. If they get run out the
gym and Lakers fans are chanting and cheering and Clippers
fans are booing that, that could be ugly. That could
be really toxic. I don't know if it would necessitate
a move happening exactly right after the game or something
like that.
Speaker 1: But it would be crazy, would be like are for
the course? I guess for this season.
Speaker 2: It certainly could expedite things, since I already think a
move is going to happen at some point here.
Speaker 1: A managerial move or a trade move.
Speaker 2: A trade move.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, did you see the thing about the swell
seating the reddit thread thing that came up?
Speaker 2: I saw something. I didn't really understand all of it, honestly.
Speaker 1: What the post was on the Clippers subreddit. Ultimate Wall
pass holders were sent an email basically saying not basically,
the email said, this weekend's matchup is in high demand.
Arrive early. If you arrive after the section is full,
you'll have access to an exclusive watch party in court.
Be at into it. Don't so it's kind of being treated.
It's they're not selling the tickets. It doesn't seem of
the swell. It seems like it's an overbooked flight situation
where if you're not there in time, instead of watching
the game in your seats looking at the court, you
will be watching the game and a watch party in
court B, which I would that would suck. If I
were to go to Englewood and I first some reason
wasn't able to get there, and then I had to
watch the game in a watch party instead of in
my seat, I would be upset.
Speaker 2: Yeah, another thing to be upset about right now. I guess.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're being sold though, because people like, oh,
they're going to sell the tickets to the Lakers fans.
That's not going to happen because it is the fan section.
But it's just it does feel like one of those
things where It's like, why, why is this happening? It's
just another annoying thing to have to deal with from
a PR perspective.
Speaker 2: I don't know how all the ticket stuff works, and
I saw people in the Reddit thread, of course weren't
happy about it.
Speaker 1: So I bet we get if they get destroyed by
the Lakers. I bet there's like a like Balmer buys
an ad in the paper or something type move, you
know what I mean, Like deer fans, we're as frustrated
as you are.
Speaker 2: Sure people still read papers, you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm whatever, Yeah, I'm old. Yeah he'll buy a I
don't know, maybe he'll do like a sky riding message
to the fans. That would be nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's usually people do to send different types of messages.
Speaker 1: That's very true. I did see. I think there was
no this was for the Dolphins. Before Chris Greer got fired.
There were a couple of planes flying over some home
games that said fire Mike McDonald or Mike McDaniel and
Chris Grear. We did get our wish with Greer, so
that was nice. Did you see the zu bots tweet
about pick and roll defense that we got tagged in?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I saw that Yeah.
Speaker 1: For those who didn't see it, it doesn't look great. Obviously,
it's just basically outlining pick and roll defense and Zoo
is in two pairings at the top with the most
points per screen direct given up in the league. Doesn't
feel good. Don't think it's indicative totally of the defense,
but it doesn't feel good. Right. The defense as a
whole has been bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's more telling given Zoo's entire career
that collectively they're just not connected at all, since typically
every other year he is one of the best pick
and role defenders. Now I'm curious to see what his
defense and what points per it's at one point twenty
seven with James Harden. Yea, it's like that's lower than
it is with DJ. James Harden is a much worse
defender than DJ. How much do we put into this,
I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was surprised by that too, because I was like,
because Derek Jones Junior obviously hasn't played a lot of basketball,
but that was all early in the season, and I
was like, oh that, I mean.
Speaker 2: The defense been bad since Game one since Utah.
Speaker 1: Very true.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's it's one guy and I'm not
saying a Visa Zubos has had a stellar season, and
I think effort at times defensively has waned with him
and others on this team, of course, and you expect
more from Visa Zubas on that end. But if your
point of attack defense is bad, and it has been
this season, it can lead the things falling apart everywhere.
He can't make up for everything. And yeah, I think
it's just been a bad year for everybody right.
Speaker 1: Now, our Ti Mars TV bringing up this is a
horrifying newsbreak here. Hot dogs also raised by four dollars.
Brutal pr can't get any worse, right now, that's true.
We need to go Costco on the hot dogs. I
asked for it was true and they said yes, so
they might be lying. Another thing that was funny this
week everyone was getting upset about that trade report from
Dallas Hoops Journal, our number one source for Clippers trade.
Speaker 2: Yeah you want to talk about rage bait? My god, Hey, everybody,
let's take advantage of this opportunity to kick the Clippers
while they're down, because we know it gives a lot
of clicks right now. That's all that was.
Speaker 1: It was so crazy it was like, guy, don't like
Mark's There were some trade rumors from mark Stein that
came out. Sure believe that.
Speaker 2: Don't know da no, no, no, no, no. Let me know when
the last time mark Stein broke the story was. I
don't even I don't even stay believe that. When was
the last time he broke a story. I don't know
that he beat Chom's woj Chris Haynes, because I still
remember mark Stein saying, oh, the Miami Heat or the
Dallas Mavericks could be in on Kawhi Leonard. They're looking
at him, they're circling after he tore his ACL and
then Kawhi immediately as soon as free agency opened signed
the extension with the Clippers. No no, no, let me
let me put this one. Those teams used all their
money right away. So obviously they knew they didn't have
a chance to get Kawhi because the max money they
would have had to give him immediately went up in
flames with the money they spent. I'm not trying to hate,
but I just I know the guys who are always
the ones who break the news, and mark Stein hasn't
been one of them for a long time.
Speaker 1: His recent quote was one well placed Western Conference observer
shared this week that James Hard James hardenstat is going forward,
is being monitored closely by various teams given his career
goals at age thirty six, and the Clippers didn't prospects
for digging out of their current hole. I do appreciate
that he gives us at least some prospects for getting
out of our hole.
Speaker 2: He mentioned Minnesota, who people have been mentioning like for
three weeks. Here regarding James harden great steinlined, I'm sorry,
but get I gotta be honest. He's good at what
he does, much fairer than I am what I do.
Speaker 1: It's just it's also not like this quote is so
funny because it's like, I'm sure, of course this isn't
necessarily news.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the problem is guys that are newsbreakers
and guys that live in the rumors world, Uh, they're
expected to have content a lot. So it's kind of
necessitates at times, I think stuff that could be more.
Speaker 1: Flimsy sure or broader stuff.
Speaker 2: You have to have something in that job. You have
to have something. People have been killing shams for like
six months about Giannis. It's like I think eventually he's
gonna be right, guys, Yeah.
Speaker 1: He'll get one. The trade destinations were hard and are
interesting too because people brought up Minnesota, Like, Harden's play
style isn't one that I'm not saying it's not conducive
to winning. But the teams that are in a position
that would like they could trade for James Harden, he
would kind of change a lot of what their offense
would look.
Speaker 2: Like, you know what I mean, Yeah, seismic change.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that trade is out there
for the Clippers.
Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is in Law brought this up
with me again yesterday. He still has to sign off
on it, right, James Harden has to sign off on
a deal, and James Harden's also from La. That's that's
something that we got to bring up every time people say, well,
just trade trade James Harden, trade Kawhi or things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't as soon as I see the shops
or whoever. Because the way that it would be broken
is the Clippers are working with James Harden to find
a destination or something, you know, like it would be
mostly figured out by the time we would have announced,
because they're not just it's not gonna be a surprise.
James Harden is not going to be shocked at the trade.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. He will have to approve it. So
it's a place a destination that he will have to
want to go to. And that's one of many issues
as you mentioned there. Okay, so then who would Minnesota
be interested in trading that gets you to forty million dollars?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: And people bring up Rob Dillingham because he's a young
guard and that can help the Clippers. Well, they gave
up draft capital for him. I don't know how realistic
that is. And he's only making six million. So how
are you getting to forty million dollars? Here? Are they
taking Julius Randall? They're not going to give up Jade McDaniels.
Are you going to take Rudy Gobert and then make
another move of the beatsa Zubats? Likew how is this happening?
It just seems pretty unlikely. One Matthew Matha.
Speaker 1: People people talk about the Pacers. H Matherine has been
a coveted, potential fake trade asset for people wanting James
Harden to go to the Pacers.
Speaker 2: Hey, I've been a fan since Arizona. I love Ben Mathin.
That's that's my other Kaming Island liked.
Speaker 1: Hey, I will see you on Mathern Island way before
I'll see you on Kaming Island. But that's another one
that's kind of weird, right because you're gonna get Tyre's
Halliburton back next, you know what I mean? Like it's
a rental basically for them, So what would they and
they're bad, like I just.
Speaker 2: Don't Yeah, I don't know who else, Like they're looking
towards the future of who they'd have to sign, if
they're if they're trying to free up more caproom because
obviously they freed up caproom with Miles Turner. So if
you're giving them an expiring contract back, how much does
a team like Indiana come at that? Yeah, Mathern's not
making a ton anyways.
Speaker 1: Boston was another spot, so people talked about this. I
like this from Ace Boogie four seven four hy As Boogie.
There's not a perfect landing spot for hard maybe Houston,
but he doesn't think they want to gut their depth.
I don't think Houston wants to do that.
Speaker 2: They got Kevin Emao, Dooka and him. I don't think.
I thought he May has spoke about this before, like
that that was a possibility before in the past, and
email was against it. I doubt that's also forty million dollars.
How do you make that work?
Speaker 1: It's a lot. Yeah, Okay. Two years ago, Emau Douker
reportedly had zero interest in coaching James Harden. He may
said it's not going to work.
Speaker 2: Sure, keep throwing it out there, because people have to
make news. People that are in the news breaking business,
they have to make some news. They have to stay relevant.
I get it. It's tough job. Not not hating No
Mark Stein, he's been doing this a long time.
Speaker 1: Oh and the he coached him too when they were
in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's probably not gonna happen. And also yeah,
I think the depth point is a good call here too,
Like they don't want to cut their depths, they gonna
give up hold on. Someone's upset that we're dependent on
Derek Jones Jr. The season is not dependent on Derek
Jones Junior. The season's kind of lost.
Speaker 2: But maybe he's referring to Dallas Hoop's journal or whatever.
Speaker 1: But it would be nice to get Derek Jones junior back,
and if there's not a good enough deal out there
for him, he's a guy who can fit into the
later cap plan.
Speaker 2: I'm bringing up. I think him and Chris Dunn, you know,
once the season started to turn the first go weeks,
I think those are coveted contracts by people. They would
love to get those guys. I don't know how much
you're getting back.
Speaker 1: With the new Apron stuff. It's so weird too, Like
it's like it makes it even more difficult. Speaking of difficult, William,
I thought it was five thirty. No, it's okay.
Speaker 3: I thought we were doing five thirty.
Speaker 1: It's okay.
Speaker 2: Really three as almost a zero. You just had another
three on the other side. No, that's no, that's an eight.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: We were we were, you were early. I appreciate that
we were just talking trades and how we don't think
that James Harden is going anywhere because it doesn't fit
or work money wise.
Speaker 2: He could. I just don't know about Minnesota or Houston.
Speaker 1: I don't know where else he's going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Minnesota, I think makes the most sense. Did they
have any assets though? That really makes that appealing for
the Clippers.
Speaker 2: But they don't have guys that are on big enough
contracts that I think they'd be willing to trade that
would make the trade work.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And also I think people should Clippers fans should
prepare themselves to be just be fine with whatever return
the Clippers get. I know everyone's probably gonna be upset.
The trade value for Kawhi is super weird to figure out.
For a while.
Speaker 2: That's awesome, they're set they haven't traded them. Then they'll
be upset the trade them and don't get enough back.
Speaker 1: That's correct because the game they are six and twenty
one or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think we get to seven wins before Christmas?
Speaker 2: There's two games before Christmas.
Speaker 1: Where it's six wins. Yeah, you think we split?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think somehow they get one in the next
two against the Lakers.
Speaker 1: Give me the Lakers one this season. Yeah, I'll take
the consolation prize beating the Lakers once. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Fuck now, the Cup.
Speaker 1: You see how much worse it is to not have
the Cup? Don't we feel horrible?
Speaker 3: Do you feel glad that we didn't win the Cup?
Speaker 2: No, Because if you're a team that has not won
a championship and you win the Cup, you're never gonna
hear the end of that.
Speaker 1: The banner situation with the Clippers would have been funny
because they would have been like, oh, you guys aren't
gonna put a banner up for the Cup.
Speaker 3: We will put it next to the CP three Jersey.
Speaker 1: Shut up, We'll do it in two years. They got
the Lakers tomorrow Marden is playing. I'm not feeling super
good about it, but.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Will do you think the fans will?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I'm glad the Lakers won against Utah,
so maybe they won't be as desperate. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think teams have to be too desperate to
beat the Clippers right now.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they need to be able to say.
It doesn't help the Clippers if they are.
Speaker 1: Well. How you feel about tomorrow's game? Do you think
we were talking at Maybe if they get beat horribly,
like not you know, buzzer beat or whatever, that's heartbreak.
But if they just kind of play shitty and get stopped,
do you think a Steve Balmer address is coming?
Speaker 3: I think if they get beat badly, the wall fans
that weren't allowed to watch at the game despite already
paying for their tickets should be allowed to take whatever
they want from the stadium.
Speaker 1: If you are at into it, reach your hand in
the cash register right now.
Speaker 3: Home, take the Ram, take the NAT.
Speaker 1: Well. The Lakers are well. Actually I would agree with that,
because the Lakers injury report is pretty crazy. DeAndre Ayton
is out, Austin Reeves is out, Ruey is questionable. So
they gotta get to win tomorrow night.
Speaker 2: Do that?
Speaker 1: No fair point. They have challenged me before on this.
Speaker 2: Memphis is worse and had more guys out and they
still lost some Monday night into.
Speaker 1: Good point, Adam, thank you.
Speaker 2: Just gotta bring the hard facts sometimes, you know, the
little truth bomb, little truth bomb to blow myself up
with the two yeah.
Speaker 1: Me true suicide bomb is there? Dude d flu Is
saying he'd be surprised if they win more than twenty games.
Dude me too. Honestly, we're gonna lose thirty before we
get to ten wins.
Speaker 3: We're gonna start twenty twenty six without ten wins.
Speaker 4: That's so crazy on account the Clippers wins on your
two hands. Going into a new new year of basketball.
Speaker 1: I had a funny thought at work the other day.
For some reason, I was looking at Clippers team stats
for this season, and I was just like, this doesn't
matter at all. I don't need to worry about what
their field goal. Like the team is so bad that
I've just ascended into let's just have some Let's just
be you know, plucky, I guess, not in the playoffs.
Let's just be kind of annoying to play against. That's
my bar right now is if we can be a
team that just somehow kind of gets to sm for
like a quarter, right I need I can give you
twelve plucky minutes of basketball. I need nineteen plucky minutes
of basketball, and then I'll be like, well, whatever, we're
all gonna die someday, Adam.
Speaker 3: Right now, you said you saw some improvements on the
road trip.
Speaker 1: There's just no reason to get upset, I guess.
Speaker 2: And then they played Memphis. They actually played well in
some ways last night, Like they won all these different categories.
But the turnovers, you can't have twenty nine of them
leading to forty points. Uh, But they were in the game.
They led by eleven in the first quarter, or down
by five midway through the third, down by seven, and
then turnover, turnover, turnover, twenty point lead for okay, see, uh,
last night's not the game though that I get is
upset about like people keep saying the new the next
game is the new b low. No, Memphis was still
the low. Okay, see was not the low for me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, see wasn't because it's like we were gonna
lose that game. I think without twenty nine turnovers.
Speaker 2: They only had like sixteen or seven team though I
don't know what.
Speaker 1: It could have been. Something only if only they had
seventeen turnovers.
Speaker 2: Just don't turn over twenty nine times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't turn it over twenty nine times tomorrow.
I feel pretty good about the chances of keeping it close.
They're just too unpredictable. Honestly, though, do we think, like,
how do we think they get the twenty wins?
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, are they that unpredictable? Uh?
Speaker 1: I guess you don't know what? Uh not that they're unpredictable?
What is going to be their downfall? How will they lose?
How will they lose? Is sometimes unpredictable and very predictable,
But sometimes you're like, of course we gave up X
amount of offensive rounds.
Speaker 2: Well, start to get tired.
Speaker 1: About sixty percent yeah, Zoo's got to have a big
game tomorrow.
Speaker 3: You just stay tired. You don't have to get tired.
Speaker 1: Depressed. Sugar free six Clippers just sugar free is just
like yeah, I mean, I don't know, I don't really
want to go out to that man. Stay tired. You
don't have to get tired, like, dude, are you Okay?
Speaker 2: I thought that was the play. They ready, so you
don't have to get ready it is.
Speaker 1: That's so.
Speaker 2: The Clippers. They took that from. Uh, they're the last
ten games. They're tenth in net rating in first halves
the last ten games.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go.
Speaker 2: Now, let's check out the second halves here, I got it.
Speaker 1: Wait, let's let's let's guess it's thirty ship dude.
Speaker 2: They are tenth in first halves the last ten games
and thirtieth and second halves in net rating.
Speaker 1: Oh god, so we found the problem.
Speaker 2: It totally tracks.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Tracks. They look terrible.
Speaker 2: That's that's what I mean. How are they gonna lose
the game? Or this team's unpredictable? No, it's been pretty predictable.
It's the second half.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: Big r R sixty four says twenty seven wins. I
don't know about that. Do they got twenty one more
wins in it? Well, there's eighteen in March, so they're
probably gonna get what thirteen there they go thirteen and
five in March.
Speaker 2: I don't want to predict because I don't think it's
gonna be the same team. Yeah by midway January.
Speaker 1: How different do we think the team will be? Do
you think it's a I think it's I guess they're
gonna look for a backup center. The way they've been
talking about this team is like, we're gonna try and
do some things to keep us competitive. So it's like
backup center. And I don't know someone who like Damar DeRozan.
Speaker 2: M maybe it could be somebody unexpected.
Speaker 1: What if we have ten day contract guys play the
second half of our games. I like that youth blood bath. Yeah,
that would probably be worse. We haven't talked.
Speaker 2: They at least the young guys start the third quarter.
I like that, and they don't lose the third quarter
by as bad, and then it's like a it's like another.
It's basically the starters get two halftimes to recover because
they don't play the third quarter, and then they play
the fourth.
Speaker 1: I love this. This is exactly what they need to do.
They didn't go to the Halloween party. They should do this.
Speaker 2: Is that not for the people who are still like
team CP three and all these things? Like, is that
not telling at all to people that guys didn't go
Halloween party? Or that he had to apologize to the
team that he felt like he should at one point?
Does that all right? Registered at all? The only funny
if you, I guess, if you think, well, the team's
soft and they're not accountable and they don't want to
hang out with him, you just don't care.
Speaker 1: That's what people think.
Speaker 2: You just you just take CP three side anyways, And
if we remember, not hard enough for the Halloween party?
Speaker 1: A little movie called Draft Day. It's a pretty bad
sign if no one goes to your birthday party, Boe Callahan,
his teammates did not go to his birthday party and
Draft Day, look what happened.
Speaker 2: To that.
Speaker 1: Will? Are you going to be depressed if Zubac gets traded?
Speaker 3: What's the return?
Speaker 1: Uh, your guy Anthrony in two first round picks and
whatever filler? I'll live. No, that's a depressed thing to say. Flourish, Yeah,
it'd be sad. But it's like if you're going to
a team where you have a or shot at win
and I like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, Adam, will you be depressed.
Speaker 2: I would be pretty damn sad because he will flourish
and it will hurt and it will be painful. I
had a thought last night, like what if we blow
it up and just keep Zubots and just put shooters.
Speaker 3: Around him, build around Zubos.
Speaker 2: You know, I thought, uh, who was a Justin Russo
made a good point about the spacing and how they
can't make entry entry passes to visa Zubos, and I'm like,
I know, I know a way to get entry passes
in and get him some one on one opportunities Zubots,
like for one in four out four out, one in.
Speaker 1: I mean it would be a good time. Okay, where's
that tweet? Because I know what tweet you're talking about.
Speaker 2: Like, I need to see Zubots fully explored as a
player pause before they let him go. I need to
see him maximize now before anybody in the chat does.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the I like the idea of trade
every that's really yeah, it's like, so well, we already
have the point guard. Right, we already got Kobe Sanders,
so it's Kobe Sanders Zoo.
Speaker 2: Like, what if Zoo's good for another like six years
at a pretty high level. Six, I mean she's thirty
four at that time. That's not that's not crazy.
Speaker 1: I think they probably moved him.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I think that I think we should
consider building more around Zuo. That means you also have
to change the head coach and all.
Speaker 1: They think a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, people.
Speaker 3: I agree with you. He's just the most tradeable asset.
Speaker 2: No, of course, like you can definitely get the most
for Zoo. And if it happens, it happens, and I'll
be somewhat understanding, but it's always going.
Speaker 1: To fully understand.
Speaker 2: It's not going to be. First of all, when they
trade SGA, we didn't know what he was going to
turn into. I think we have more of an idea
of just how good Zoo could be in the right situation.
Speaker 1: That's a good call. People want to stretch five. People
are in love with this idea of a stretch five,
as if there are many stretch fives flourishing right now.
As the starting center for a team.
Speaker 2: Pretty unique, Not that many like Zubots took that got
that three pointer up in what twenty twenty one? Yeah,
and then they took him out of the game. So
he kept his iron Man streak. He played every game
and he got that three pointer and nailed it. It
is twenty twenty five and we still don't know if
it beats the Zubots who claims he has touch from
the outside could do more. Now they're the ones that practice,
they see things. But I I I don't think we've
touched tip of that. It's tip of the iceberg with him.
Speaker 1: Here's these three?
Speaker 2: Is that Reggie, that's Roddough.
Speaker 1: That's what?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was I'll tell you what. Twenty one had
no idea that was coming with the Of course.
Speaker 1: Jerry Mormon saying after Brook Lopez, I don't want to
stretch five. I think Zoo. I don't know. If Zoo
has the he'd be doing a lot. Does Zoo have
like this, like the ability to have the offense play through.
Speaker 2: Him, like no enough of a handle and he's not
a good enough pastor, is it? But you can't get
to that point if you don't give it a chance.
Speaker 3: You can't swim without getting in the water. At him.
Speaker 2: He's right, yeah, sink or swim time will and.
Speaker 1: Is it time to trade Kawhi Leonard if they find
as a as organization had hashtag enough.
Speaker 3: I was like, if there's even a package out there,
Like we talked about this on the other day, it's
really even it's a huge question mark if he even
can be traded with the ongoing investigation.
Speaker 1: I think that has to play into the cloudiness of it.
Like Bill Simmons had something where he was like, I
think we're gonna hear somewhere around the holidays, and it's like, well,
it's December nineteenth, dog, so that would be soon. I guess.
I don't know, it's not. It just all depends on
the return. We can't think about like if the return
is the best return they could possibly get. Sure, I
don't think there's a first round pick attached for Kawhi
or I don't think we get a first round pick
for Kawhi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not.
Speaker 1: Again, the apron stuff makes it weird too, write like
we that plays a whole factor into it.
Speaker 2: Aspiration, it's a lot there's a lot of variables here. Also,
do they want to do that to the first guy
to choose the Clippers as his destination.
Speaker 1: Well, I think they've shown then they don't care too much. No,
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 3: I think they have a conversation with him, of course.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like yeah, I think why would have to sign
off on it, is what I'm saying, Like, I don't
think they're going to blindside him because of what's happened
in the past.
Speaker 3: But like, if you're not getting a pick, I mean
like then at that point you're just doing it to
shed salary.
Speaker 1: Like right, that's what they make you know, maybe.
Speaker 3: Get a couple of role players who still line up
with your long term financial goals. Like but so that's
and it's a lateral move. I mean, like, is anybody really,
like you know, is anybody in the chat really doing.
Speaker 1: Dance for that? And the other part is you can't
just combine guys willy nilly. Now you have to be
at the certain is it below the first apron to
combine salary to get a trade, because.
Speaker 3: Like it's the second apron where you can't aggregate salaries.
Speaker 1: So like a team that's like, oh, we're only a
Kawhi Leonard away, my guess would be there close or
over the second apron. Because that's usually how it goes
with a good team, right, you have multiple guys you
got to pay high middle salary cap to so like
that makes it all the more difficult.
Speaker 2: I mean most teams aren't above the second apron, like
Cleveland is the one talked about with that, Like they
couldn't aggregate a trade for Kawhi. I think there there's
enough out there. I just don't know the interest level
they would have.
Speaker 1: Because it's been good offensively.
Speaker 2: Numbers still look really good.
Speaker 1: Numbers look good. That second half.
Speaker 2: I thought he looked Actually he was killing Dort at
times yesterday, like on a Dort the last two times
against Kawhi one on one has been getting cooked. Like
Kawhi is very comfortable in that matchup.
Speaker 1: Just need it all to come together because nothing has
been able to come together for the Clippers.
Speaker 2: But also the other part of it, well you talked
about it, it's just a shit salary. But that's only
if you're getting back expiring contracts for this year. Yeah,
because Kauhai is already expiring contract after next season. Yeah,
so how are you going to get better contracts than
that that expire? Like that's that's a reason to do it,
but that might be difficult. Ye it's already Yeah, it's
already an expiring contract after next season, a year and
a half from now. Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, is that, like, if you're not
getting a pick, like even getting salaries that line up,
assuming that you're dealing with a team on the second
apron is like if this team is still has their
their eyest on twenty twenty seven, that's still kind of difficult.
Speaker 2: I just like Kawhi is an asset in that way
that actually his contract is expiring soon and it's fifty
million off the books, So if you're trading him, you
better get bat guys that also are expiring at least
in twenty twenty seven, if not this season, or a
good young player that but the likelihood, the likelihood is
tough on that.
Speaker 1: Kean Ellis. We had a first round pick we trade
with the Kings. We got kean Ellis Russ.
Speaker 3: And that's why I said, I mean, it's not that
I wouldn't be sad if Zoo got traded, it just
I wouldn't be surprised. Like that math is so much
easier to work out than for a positive fifteen million
dollar than it is for anyone else on our books.
Speaker 1: Yeah, except for like DJJ. And because he's making ten right.
Speaker 3: I know, but he's not playing right now, so I
still feel like that's I mean, you know, from what
people saw, maybe it was enough.
Speaker 1: But and he's supposedly back soon. But yeah, no, you're right,
it's it's hard to His name was popping up and
I was like, he's hurt. He has a six week injury.
And again, you're probably not getting another ten million dollar
player who's as good as DJJ. It's a really good
ten million dollar contract, like.
Speaker 2: And Zoo's a really good twenty million dollar contract, really
really good, perhaps the best value in the NBA.
Speaker 1: You need those picks. I wouldn't be well, it's also
like Lawrence Frank, I wouldn't be surprised if any if Yeah,
like I don't think we're getting to Joseph Ry Award
style trade, which is nine guys, but Lawrence Frank loves trade.
So if you don't like this version of the team,
you have a GM who you probably maybe don't like too,
but he will try and make some moves like I
with ad him, there probably will be a move.
Speaker 3: I mean, there has to be right, Like, haven't we
seen enough that like the roster is not going to
get there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I also think the roster's not getting there with
a trade, Like what's getting there? Right? Like the plan?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I get like, yeah, that's best case scenario.
Speaker 2: That's why I keep saying if best case scenario is
to be in the ninth tenth, which means you're playing
OKAC if you get out of it, that's a pretty
bad situation.
Speaker 3: So you're saying, just don't even bother with the trade,
then just like just stay the course.
Speaker 1: It's bad.
Speaker 2: No, if the return is totally interested, I'm interested in
shaking things up as long as you don't compromise future
salary cap.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't want this, Like there's this idea that
like let's trade for MPJ and Cam Thomas. That's insane
because that those guys are like already kind of hurt,
and you know, I just would It's a lot of money.
It's a lot of money.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 1: That's one that I don't want. But yeah, let's if
it doesn't fuck up with the cap space, let's shake
it and everybody's on the table for me, Like I
would like to keep in my head, which I don't
a lot rattling around in there. I think that ideally
we'd be able to keep Derek Jones junior and if
John Collins can make some improvements looking better within this system,
I would like to keep them for the empty cap
space years because those seem like guys that would be
great on a team that has you know, a different
star or two stars whatever. Being the top guys Zoo
would be great too. I just think maybe they trade him,
So yeah, that's kind of where I'm at. Everyone's available.
I don't want to trade anyone for a shit return.
I'm not like, let's just pull the plug on the
whole thing, yea, because it's already and I guess that's
my point of like, it's already so bad, like which sucks,
But we're not turning the season around with a trade.
Speaker 2: Less we are.
Speaker 1: That's exactly how the meetings are going with Baumar and
Lawrence Rights.
Speaker 2: It works for us, I actually do. I would be
interested in MPJ and Cam Thomas because Cam Thomas is
only making five million this year. Remember he didn't get
the money though he was going to get this offseason right.
But I'm not saying I'm not saying it's realistic. I'm saying,
if you could do it, that's not a bad idea.
An Mpj's contract ends the same time as Cuse in
T twenty seven for ten million dollars less, He's got
forty million next year.
Speaker 1: Be frustrated for a year and a half.
Speaker 2: And I don't know how much people would be mad
because they'd be like, we should have had him to
begin with, we should have drafted him.
Speaker 1: Well, So that does feel like probably the natural move
for the Clippers because they can't do anything to make
anyone happy right now, so trading for MPJA probably is
what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: I don't know what would Brooklyn be looking for exactly, though,
because the Clippers aren't interested in giving up first round picks,
and like Brooklyn's in that mode of just stockpiling right
there is a total teardown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people want us to trade a first round pick
for MPJ and camp Thomas. Again, Mpj's a rental, like,
I don't think he'd be part of the Clipper's future
plans past twenty twenty seven. He would also, based on history,
not be available for a fair amount of games. I think.
Speaker 2: Camp Thomas, though, would be interesting though, because he is
I'm guessing you wouldn't have his bird rights. I'm not
sure on that, but he doesn't even believe if you
could get thirty games with Cam Thomas and then have
a decision to make on whatever he's looking for twenty
million dollars a year after this season, at least it's interesting.
People are like, no, it's terrible. It's like, tell me
all the other options there are. This is my logic
for wig Games and a lot of other guys like
I don't know who you think, but like like they're
they're they're regaining first round picks every year, they're recapturing them.
We got twenty thirty, we got twenty thirty two. Right now.
Speaker 1: Cam Thomas has been out since November fifth due to
a hamstring Is that real or are they just trying
to sit him down to trade him.
Speaker 2: I think it's they really want to keep losing for
this draft and fair point, because they they ended up
not getting as high of a draft pick as they
were projected to get this past year based off of losses.
Speaker 1: Oh right, they were, and then they had what was
that quote this offseason from the GM that was like
you've seen like someone's like basically asked them, like, are
you going to tank? And he's like, you've seen the
construction of this roster. We're going to do all we
can to get an advantageous draft pick. And it's like cool,
so yes, So the answer.
Speaker 2: Is yes, I don't. I kind of Someone made the
point earlier today about because they've leveled off your draft
odds where it used to be. I think the worst
seumul the league had like a twenty five percent chance
again the number one pick. Yeah, and now the top
three teams with worst records have a twenty percent chance
each or something. And some are saying, well, that's how
you get more tanking. You're actually thinking you're trying to
get away with tanking because well, it's not a guarantee
you're getting the number one pick. But because of that,
teams like, well, now I have to get back into
the draft because I ended up getting the fifth pick
when I should have gotten number one. So it actually
works against the NBA trying to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, in a long term sentence, for sure, I.
Speaker 2: Can see that, because you know, Dallas and San Antonio
gained the top two picks this past year when they
weren't projected to Dallas had like a what a one
point six percent chance?
Speaker 3: Well thought like that won't happened to the Clippers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't. Yeah, we don't got to worry about that.
We had that and then that pick became Kyrie Irving.
This is what happened with that. Not to open up
too all. Jimmy Williams gave us ten dollars. Thank you.
Jimmy said, thanks to Adam for Clippers talk and you
guys for clips and Dip to get us through these
dark days. Clippers fans need and appreciate it. Appreciate you, Jimmy.
Speaker 2: Thanks Jimmy.
Speaker 1: It is a deep draft, which is frustrating.
Speaker 2: So somebody asked, would you do MPJ and Cam for
John Collins Bogey in a first? As a Nett fan,
I would yeah. As a Clippers fan, I would.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that we're giving the first.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I wouldn't do that. I don't want to know.
Speaker 3: I'm not giving.
Speaker 2: There's no way because Cam could straight leave an MPJ
injury prone his contract expires after this season. He has shown, though,
that he could scale up the way people thought he
could coming out of the draft before the back.
Speaker 1: Injury someone's talking was talking about kaminga. Are you slung
cominga island at him?
Speaker 2: Tell me the price? Yeah? I what's he making?
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four point three?
Speaker 2: I mentioned the other day he's almost as same as Collins. Yeah,
but four and you have a team option.
Speaker 1: He's unrestricted twenty seven to twenty eight though, so that's
another scenario. Or what if he just leaves?
Speaker 2: Well, but that's if you don't think he's that good.
You don't care about that.
Speaker 1: He also doesn't seem to be a very good locker
room guy.
Speaker 2: He said something recently about his benching in a game.
He's like, that's the right move to do, and seems
like he's better with that stuff. Yeah, he's twenty three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say. He is also very young.
So I feel like he can't.
Speaker 1: Even he can't even rent a car. I should give
him more grace. I'm actually that's fair issue.
Speaker 2: Can like, where's the shooting? Uh? The start of the
year he was hitting three pointers and you have a
game where he hit five or six or something like that.
Is the mid range ever going to develop? We don't know.
Speaker 1: We throw Kobe Sanders in the trade, I'll be upset.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people definitely be upset. He had a crazy turnaround
on the left elbow in the first half yesterday. I
was like, whoa out of a timeout? He just got
too hot and fired.
Speaker 1: No, there's a little something. I'm not saying he's like
the future of the franchise, but there's a little something there.
Like he wasn't bad on the defensive end a couple
of times. Obviously he's still learning, but like, that's fun.
Speaker 2: I need to see more.
Speaker 1: So you're saying build around Zoo and Kobe.
Speaker 2: I think people, if you believe Zoo could be good
over the next six years, I don't know if I
want to move that guy for two first six years
is a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a long time. But you gotta like,
if Tyler's the co that's limiting how high he can
go for those six years.
Speaker 2: Is Is it because Tyler is the coach or because
the other guys that are surrounding him too that coach
lou knows he has to make more focal points on offense.
Those guys are all gone when you have to lean
into Zoo.
Speaker 1: I like that idea, all right. I'm not mad at
that at seeing tyleru with not Kawhi and James Harden
in this we get a good return scenario. I'm not
saying let's let's make this happen, but that would be interesting, Like, Okay,
has he had big what happened? I guess it's hard
with Lebron because it's like he's your.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin Love obviously took a back seat. Mo's Goff.
They got good stuff out of mos Goff in big
moments as guy.
Speaker 1: He said, that's a good contract. I called I can see.
I call it a good contract.
Speaker 2: But Wazoo is like, can he be an efficient twenty
twelve guy? That's a number one or number two option
that you can win with. Not just he's getting the
twenty twelve numbers, but his impacts. His impact is high
with winning.
Speaker 1: And I think like the fatigue thing that the yeah,
he's got to work on the that aspect of it
because if he is your main focal point, it's just
gonna be harder, even on defense because he is going
to have to do a lot.
Speaker 3: Would you take a flyer on one of these young
guards that has kind of negative trade value if you're
giving up just an old guy, who are you.
Speaker 2: Talking about, like say Trey young Oh soh Trey jaw Uh.
Who's the other one, Oh, LaMelo. Those are the three
that people talk about right now.
Speaker 3: If it was like Harden and whatever it takes to
make the money work, because the years with Trey or John,
I think would line up about the same. I don't
know about Lamel. Off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: Give me Trey over either of those guys. If I'm choosing,
if there's three bullets.
Speaker 3: Like, what do you explore it just to make a change.
I'm not like, I'm obviously like, I don't think that
that's effecting your winning percentage.
Speaker 1: No, we have some people who actually want us to
take a hard line and really start throwing people in
the organization under a bus. So I think you need
to really lose it with this one.
Speaker 2: I here's the thing. Harden's not going to go to
Charlotte because he has to sign off on it. I
don't think he would sign off on going to Charlotte.
Speaker 3: I think he would sign of Atlanta, though potentially.
Speaker 2: Atlanta is interesting, Memphis might be interesting.
Speaker 1: Memphis you have.
Speaker 3: And I throw appealing to me of those guards. But
I'm just thinking, like, if you working in the parameters
of if you want to keep your flexibility for twenty
twenty seven, not give up any draft capital, hopefully get younger.
Speaker 1: Uh have to, I mean it's hard not to, but yeah.
Speaker 3: Those I think are kind of the deals you're looking
at is like, you know, places where the guards aren't
you're not competing with a lot of offers, and they're
already you know, kind of pretty to that somewhat negative
trade value.
Speaker 2: The problem is if you bring in Trey or LaMelo
or Jaw, all of them are taking up one of
those slots basically that you're hoping to have two up
in twenty twenty seven, because the reason you have two
is because James Harden's contract is up. Then also yeahhi
am James are out.
Speaker 3: But you can just make a decision at that point,
what do you mean, like just optimize the cap space,
say hey, it was it was great, and thank you
for getting us through these two years.
Speaker 2: Have fun in Oh, bring one of these guys in.
Speaker 3: This nor like if you if you do it now
and if you treat it like the MPJ thing where
it's like, well we don't necessarily have to resign you
like we can. We'll explore that when we when we
come to that bridge.
Speaker 2: Here's the problem though, with Trey. He has a player
option for next season. I think it's likely he opts
out after this year, and you're gonna have to make
a decision right away.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That that's a really, that's a bugaboo.
Speaker 2: I'm honestly, because of contract and age, I would be
more interested in LaMelo than Trey. Trey is likely about
to get one hundred and eight million dollar plus contract.
Speaker 3: God, that's tough.
Speaker 2: I don't hate. I don't hate it, though, Like I I.
Speaker 1: Like Trey all the time.
Speaker 2: None of these options are perfect. I don't love any
of them.
Speaker 1: Accurate eleven is saying Jordan Miller needs to be here
more than Kobe Sanders. I don't know about that.
Speaker 2: He's three years older.
Speaker 3: Fits with the if it's with the counter with the vine.
Speaker 1: Always confused, Yeah they what the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 2: I like Jordan Miller. I want him to get more
run and get more opportunities this season. But I think, honestly,
it's pretty clear that Kobe Sanders has more NBA role
player utility that works.
Speaker 1: He's got more trust.
Speaker 2: He's three years younger.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I would agree, he's got a lot more trust. Yeah,
I don't. I think actually, now that you bring it up,
that is like my least favorite route they could go
would be expensive young point guard because all those guys
like who are available are injury from no.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's it's not good just of all
the like all the I'm just saying like.
Speaker 2: That is like that is it's realistic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. It is realistic. Chimmy Choga twenty three
saying two words Bronnie James, Bronnie Kobe Zoo, Jordan Miller,
Kobe Brown. We win twelve games a year, We draft
the future great LaMelo would be a nightmare.
Speaker 2: Got dip in Clippers culture.
Speaker 1: You can't what we don't. So that's that's the other thing.
What is Clippers culture after this twenty after all these
contracts are up, we have nobody on the bus.
Speaker 3: Get a young guard, bring Chris Paul back. Problem, everybody's happy.
Speaker 1: Well, once Chris Paul becomes coach, I think this team's
actually really going to turn it around.
Speaker 2: I know what they want.
Speaker 3: Talked of completely stalled out on the l Frank extension, right, Oh.
Speaker 2: We have no idea. Even the initial report was like
what was that from that? Also felt a little rage. Baby.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they said it was. It wasn't confirmed. They just
said that. Oh no, it was to assume hold on.
I copied and pasted into one of my breakdowns.
Speaker 2: It was like the last line was doing some heavy lifting. Uh.
Speaker 1: Sources said he's probably getting one, but nothing is intimate
in uh, imminent, And the article said assuming so would
be premature.
Speaker 2: And who is this from?
Speaker 1: That was just from sources? I think the article was
what from? I think the article was from. It wasn't law,
but I thought it was from.
Speaker 2: The source magazine is back? Is that a thing?
Speaker 1: That's where I get all my stuff?
Speaker 2: This source awards?
Speaker 1: It was from the Athletic two weeks ago?
Speaker 3: Was that eight weeks ago?
Speaker 1: It's like in saying, hold on, let me click, let
me get into it. Hold on, guys, got a log
into the Athletic? Will How can people log into the
Athletic if they don't know about this? The secret of
the library?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just uh if you're in LA Library, uh,
probably all of California. But if you're an l A
p L Library card holder, just google L A p
L and Y and New York Times or NYT and
you cannot get your free log in.
Speaker 1: You have if you have a library card, you have
a subscription to the Athletic. Yeah, and the New York
libraries are good things. That was from Joe Varden? Was
what that piece? Who that piece was from?
Speaker 2: Adam? Oh oh, oh, my bad, take it to the bank.
I'm sorry, but I don't know Joe Varden.
Speaker 1: He just said that it would be crazy to us suit.
He didn't like, he wasn't saying he's not gonna get like.
People were freaking out about that article because it said
that they were.
Speaker 2: Reporting was fine when you read it in context, Yeah,
reporting is fine.
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think installed though, I don't think the
extension is stalled unless they lose by thirty to the Lakers,
in which case I think maybe Bomber freaks out. They
get waxed by the Lakers.
Speaker 2: They get waxed with cheers from Lakers fans and booze
from Clippers fans. That's worst case scenario.
Speaker 1: That's worse. That's terrible.
Speaker 2: That's def call one. That is the new low point.
That is, something has to change in forty eight hours.
Speaker 1: Damn. Yeah, if they're yeah, that's not good. Because also
that article from Lass said that it mentioned it Balmer,
like beating the Lakers matters to Balmer, of course it's nice.
It's a thing that he likes, which usually has happened recently.
Speaker 2: But you're competing with other teams in LA like you can.
Of course.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting. But Adam is confident that we
will split one of these next two games and get
to seven wins.
Speaker 2: Before I did not say confident. I just said I
think I'll put like a number on it, confident, most confident,
one to ten. Shoot, I'll give it a two or three.
I was confident against Memphis on Monday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I have. I think I don't. I
don't have.
Speaker 2: That was the last time I was confident.
Speaker 1: I don't have any confidence left in the team. But
somehow that makes me think they'll play better, if that
makes sense.
Speaker 3: When can we be a team's trap game?
Speaker 1: When can we be a team?
Speaker 3: Come on?
Speaker 1: I don't think ever right now?
Speaker 2: Teams get right game. Apparently, yes we are.
Speaker 1: We are a slumpbuster is what the Clippers is are.
Someone is saying Zach Levine or reed, I'm assuming nas read.
I don't think they're trading Naz Reid, and I don't
think Zach Lavine would be good for this team.
Speaker 2: Why do people keep thinking nas Reed's.
Speaker 1: Available because he's really good and they want.
Speaker 2: They just signed him. Yeah, they just they just opened
pocket book to make sure he couldn't go anywhere. He's
been vital for them. Let's I like him too, so
do they?
Speaker 1: Okay, we're winding down, and we should wind out on
a positive thing. And there is actually a positive.
Speaker 2: Good luck there is.
Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford and Blake Griffin are eligible for the Hall
of Fame. That an That's awesome. That's awesome. That's a positive.
Speaker 3: That rules.
Speaker 1: Do we think? I think I liked I think they
probably both get in. But weirdly enough, I might like
Jamal's resume more than Blake Griffin.
Speaker 2: M the basketball Hall of Fame. The bar is pretty
low when people try to look at because it's baseball
or football. Yes, it's broader, but they also they don't value,
at least over the last forty five years longevity as
much like t Matt got in pretty easily. Weber eventually got.
Speaker 1: I don't know your playoff stats either, Yeah they know.
Really it doesn't really matter, like if they did, like
I love Blake, but if playoff stats really mattered, Blake
would maybe not get into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're like a triple double almost against San Antonio
in that series.
Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying that Serio, like there's one.
Speaker 2: Series playoffs that's that bad.
Speaker 1: He just never w like and they never went and
you know what I mean, Like, I'm not I think
he's gonna be a Hall of Famer. But to your point,
the Basketball Hall of Fame, because it's not a league
specific hall of Fame, has easier thresholds.
Speaker 2: It does.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what about Blake Griffin's All Star appearances?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What six? Five?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like Weber had five, you're like very very good. Yeah,
Blake had six. He's getting in there for.
Speaker 1: Sure, getting in. I'm not saying he shouldn't be in
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2: You're you're a hard hated don't do this to me.
You put on your hard hat hat. Jamal's probably more iffy,
but I think he should be like the guys who
are really integral, six men in him. Lou Jenobili. Did
Genobally get in.
Speaker 1: Yes, Geno Bley, he did. That's what David Geno b.
Speaker 2: I like guys getting in that were maybe really specialists
in a certain role, but we're so good at it.
We're the best of the best at that role in
NBA history. I'm totally good with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first three times six Man of the Year
you're getting in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Genobili has the rings though to obviously push him in.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think there's something though like that I like about
college career for Blake too.
Speaker 1: Sorry, this is a good Pointsmith Player of the Year.
Speaker 3: And just being so dominant in your era, like it
it's you know, like Blake was so dominant in his
prime and did was like part of the old Guard,
but shifted his style. Unfortunately, like didn't stay healthy and
it wasn't you know, it didn't result in win at
the highest level.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've always been good with guys who obviously were the
best of the best before they had a major injury
that limited their run. I remember for the NFL, I
was a big advocate well, I mean not what could
have been? What like if if you know, a guy
has a devastating knee injury and he's never the same,
but before that, he was an All Star every year.
To me, that obviously it was the injury. It wasn't
just he got worse for his skills diminished. I was
big on Terrell Davis for years and he finally got in,
and it took him a while in the NFL, but
you look at his five or six peak years. You
were for two thousand yards.
Speaker 1: I mean, because I was thinking about kind of along
these lines with the way that injuries have started, right
like how it's Blake is part of that first generation
of guys to me, where it was like the human
body is starting to be too strong for what the
ligaments can really do. It's not Blake's fault, right like that.
That's like it's just you can't make your tendon stronger.
It's just like that's how it goes. So I think that,
and they like narrative, so I think him coming to
the Clippers helping change the whole culture. He has a
Nasmith Award, he was very good. Obviously he gets in,
but like it is, it's just it's different in different eras,
Like you're saying, like I just yeah, someone saying Jamal
should not get in. But I think Jamal gets in
because if it is a basketball Hall of Fame, you
have three times six pan of the year. You have
a guy who runs a pro am that is, he
is the messiah of Seattle basketball.
Speaker 2: He's a great advocate, he's an an announcer. Now, the
Basketball Hall of Fame is by far the lowest bar,
and I think Blake Spreare is very It is.
Speaker 1: Because because it's yeah, because I guess baseball, I mean.
Speaker 3: Really, gamble one time?
Speaker 1: Get in there. Yeah, this is yeah. Go to Patreon
for Will's pro Pete Rose takes no.
Speaker 2: Like, I don't think Buster Posey is getting in or
maybe like that's in. That's an Iffy won for the
Hull Buster Posey and he was a three time champion,
but he doesn't have the longevity because baseball is so
much about counting.
Speaker 1: Of the year.
Speaker 2: Though, oh I know, yeah, he might get in. I
think he should get in, But the fact that we
have to say he might get in winning an m
VP and three championships that would not happen in the NBA.
Lake's career is pretty similar in a lot of ways
and maybe in some ways better than T Max. And
T Max got in.
Speaker 1: Pretty I said the Buster Posy and I was like,
I don't know about.
Speaker 3: You lost me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he lost me.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The TMC thing well, and that goes back to
like the narrative thing is that t MAC was also
the endless guy in the league.
Speaker 3: He was so dominant in his era. No, it didn't
result in like winning at the highest level, but it was.
Speaker 1: The face of the league.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you were a fan of basketball during that time,
like he was on a.
Speaker 1: Verb it's what you do poster, that's the highest thing
you could have gotten in the early thousands.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of like the Yeah, he's one of
the biggest.
Speaker 1: Players and an iconic shoe. Yes, uh yeah. So, I
mean I think they both get it. It's just nice
to it's cool that they're going to go in. So
Blake goes in as a Clipper, Jamal goes in as
a Clipper. Yes, balloons are an accident.
Speaker 2: He won two six men with the Clippers. Yeah, if
you won two of them, then he's got he's got
it as a Clipper and he didn't. What are you
gonna talk about New York or Atlanta? What are the
competing teams?
Speaker 1: Probably someone's asking is DROs Hall of Famer in Adam's world, DROs.
Speaker 2: Not my world? The NBA Hall of Fame, The bar
is very low and would he obviously if he didn't
have the knee injury. To me, he'd easily be like
if it's an if it's an outlier type of injury
like that. To me, I'm I would put guys in
that were at the peak, at the top of the
league before those obvious injuries that cut them down their prime.
But he has even less longevity than t mac So
that's going to be an interesting one. But the teammate
didn't have an MVP, and d Rose was the number
one option on a team that made the Eastern Conference Finals.
I think there's a decent chance. But his longevity is
even lower than tax right, all right?
Speaker 1: Is that our one positive thing to get out of here?
On that Jamal and Blake are gonna go in his clippers.
Speaker 2: I'm signing off on that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, finally get some banners in those damn rafters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have two people in the Hall of Fame. Banner. Well,
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Speaker 1: What do you mean right on time? You were early?
Speaker 3: I was early. Uh yeah, that's the best thing.
Speaker 2: Chuck was late.
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appreciate you.
Speaker 1: We really thank you for hanging out. We're not sure
if it's gonna get better, but we will do our
best to make it a better season for you. So
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the Lakers tomorrow. Let's hope we don't get beat so
bad that major changes happen. I don't know, or maybe
they need to happen. We'll see y'all next week. At
some point. There is a holiday in between there, so
we'll figure that out. Thank you for hanging out, and
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