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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans, Welcome to a Friday

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happy hour. Hang here at clips and DIP. I am

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Chuck Mockler, soon to be joined by Adam Osn and

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William Updike. I wanted to start at five and ittes

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five be four, so we're starting. Thank you for hanging out.

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hour lives that we've been doing on Friday. They've been fun.

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A horrible loss yesterday to the Thunder. I think most

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of us thought it was going to be a loss.

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I guess I didn't think they would turn the ball

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over twenty nine times, which when you do that against

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the best team in the league, not ideal. It was

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the most turnovers the Clippers had had in twenty five years,

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since the year two thousand. So they are just we say,

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they keep finding new ways to lose, and it's it's true.

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It's not hyperbole at all, and it's incredible so far.

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Justin Rousseau had a great tweet. He said per cleaning

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the glass. Last night, the Clippers had a ninety two

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point four defensive rating in the half court is very good.

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It's the seventh best mark they've had in a game

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all season. But that didn't really matter because only sixty

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eight percent of Oklahoma's possessions came in the half court

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because of the twenty nine turnovers, so we got killed

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and points off for turnovers. Max Skywalker's in the chat saying,

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record breaking season. It is for all of the wrong reasons.

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It is a nightmare. We don't like it. It's not fun.

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Hold on our themes all off. Fucking restream. We use restream.

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If you are someone who wants to stream, don't use restream.

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It's annoying. Yeah, the playoffs are the playoffs are gonna

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Are they gonna slow down? What are we five games

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out of a play in? It's not good. Jimmy Williams

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saying we need the hell background. I don't know if

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we need the hell background yet we say the hell

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background for when things tend to get super dark. Hard

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was not in the game last night. He is playing

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versus the Lakers tomorrow. The injury report just came out.

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Harden will be there, which is good. I don't know

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what other Clippers are gonna show up for that one.

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It's been tough. Yes, this is a great point from

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Alfonso lorm T Man Coffee and even KP jayon h.

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The rebounding has been rough. The rebounding is really bad

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this year, and we just keep getting killed in it.

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I did wanna uh, oh, who is this Adam Osler?

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And are you in your car or are you seated?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm in my car, apartment, our apartment, yeah, my compartment,

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car apartment.

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Speaker 1: I was just lamenting the style of play the Clippers

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shows last night, which was give the ball to the

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other team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, unfortunately that style only works if you are

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that team and the OKC Thunder and you're that good

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that you could overcome twenty nine turnovers. Honestly remarkable. They

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were in that game till the four minute mark of

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the third quarter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they started hot.

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Speaker 2: They had turnovers then too, but then they're undoing during

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the stretch that got them out of it was turnover

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after turnover after turnover, and they got down by twenty

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and two minutes, literally two minutes or seventeen to two seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Damn not ideal. I was just saying Harden is playing tomorrow.

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That's got to feel good, right.

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Speaker 2: That is good. The Clippers will need him, I think obviously,

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if you're looking for a reason that you have twenty

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nine turnovers, first of all, maybe it's okay, see you credit.

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Second of all, they don't have James Harden their floor

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general out there, and it's a recipefore disaster. But not

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surprised that James Harden's back and not even on the

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injury report.

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Speaker 1: So what do we max Skywalker's asking what do we

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think of the offense without Harden? The first quarter was

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pretty good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, actually there were moments of ball movement that

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were spectacular in that case Clippers. That's what's kind of frustrating, Like, yeah,

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they had some really bad turnovers getting to their sets

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and their actions, but when they did they swung it

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around the perimeter beautifully at times.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But then I think the issue is you can

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have one quarter of that and then without anything else,

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you know what I mean, Like it looked great for

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one quarter and then as soon as it starts to

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go awry, it really goes awry.

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, like it's not just that they don't

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have hardened they don't have a competent backup point guard

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because we thought going into the season it was going

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to be Chris Paul and it's not that CP three

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ever panned out to be that guy. We thought he

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could be backing up James Harden obviously, and he sent

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home now, But they Chris Dunn is not great, good

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enough at it, Bogie's not good enough at it, Kawhi

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not good enough at it. No, if they just had

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somebody a little bit more adequate, like let's say Dennis

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Speaker 1: Bradley Veal was healthy, and you know, like like just

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a relief like it's uh yeah, I don't know. I

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couldn't believe it was the most turnover since two thousand,

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But that's how things go. This year U twenty five

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years of breaking new ground, which just fun.

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Speaker 2: Well, you are going up against maybe the toughest ball

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pressure team ever. I don't know this season.

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Speaker 1: I know they are very good. I am not taking

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away from the dedication and drilling that obviously has happened

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with their defense. So come on, man, we can't just

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be slapping guys like in the shoulders and shit, they

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get a nice whistle, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think both those things could be true. Somebody got

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mad at me last night because somebody just kept spamming

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the chat and was like, Okay, she's not even good.

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They're just cheat over and over again. So I put

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him in time out. And then later I was checking

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the comments section and somebody said, that's insane that you

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put someone in time out for not thinking Oklahoma City's

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defense is elite. Just because your opinion is that their

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elite doesn't mean everybody else's has to be. So I

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respond to that and said, sir, I think his name

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was John. I said, dear John, this is not an

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opinion that they're elite. It is a fact.

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Speaker 1: And I lost four times or something like or not.

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Speaker 2: I linked them to their defensive rating, which is historic.

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The team that is behind them is as far behind them,

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going from the number one defensive team and okay, see

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to number two, as the number two team is from

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the twenty fifth team a defensive rating, that's how far

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number two is from number one this season. Like, I

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don't know, I'm sorry, it's not an opinion that Oklahoma

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City's defense is elite.

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Speaker 1: Sounds pretty biased at them. Sounds like the numbers backup

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your it sounds like you're backed up by almost every

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metric which feels biased.

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Speaker 2: Numbers Law, they're deceiving U turnovers was deceiving?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Were those true turnovers? That's my new made up

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stat true turnovers. You know, like a turn you know

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what I mean, Like I'm gonna I'm still figuring it out.

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I'm still tweaking it, but I'm working on a new

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stat called true turnovers. Make the Clippers look better?

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Speaker 2: Turnover truth here?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, true shooting yeah. Venkatta saying, I think if

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we lose against the Lakers, we see some changes. There

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wasn't interesting. I don't know if we'll see changes after that.

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There was an interesting article from Law Today kind of

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outlining how the fan vibes have not been good lately.

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He had a clip where he said, if the Clippers

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don't compete Saturday in an arena that will surely have

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more than seventeen nine and twenty seven people seated, and

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LA ends this weekend in last place in the West,

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then it may be time for Balmer to address an

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aggrieved fan base and speak on the direction of his team.

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I don't think changes are coming if they lose to

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the Lakers, but I think it. Obviously things are horrible

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if they get washed. I think I don't know what

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the break point is for this fan base that hasn't

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seen the Clippers ever be this bad before. There's maybe

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something to these paper bags in the wall or something

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tomorrow night on people. I don't know, but it would sting.

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I'm not saying it will tonight. It just might not

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be it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it could be a new low point, which

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would be saying something. If they get run out the

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gym and Lakers fans are chanting and cheering and Clippers

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fans are booing that, that could be ugly. That could

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be really toxic. I don't know if it would necessitate

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a move happening exactly right after the game or something

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like that.

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Speaker 1: But it would be crazy, would be like are for

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the course? I guess for this season.

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Speaker 2: It certainly could expedite things, since I already think a

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move is going to happen at some point here.

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Speaker 1: A managerial move or a trade move.

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Speaker 2: A trade move.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yes, did you see the thing about the swell

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seating the reddit thread thing that came up?

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Speaker 2: I saw something. I didn't really understand all of it, honestly.

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Speaker 1: What the post was on the Clippers subreddit. Ultimate Wall

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pass holders were sent an email basically saying not basically,

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the email said, this weekend's matchup is in high demand.

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Arrive early. If you arrive after the section is full,

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you'll have access to an exclusive watch party in court.

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Be at into it. Don't so it's kind of being treated.

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It's they're not selling the tickets. It doesn't seem of

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the swell. It seems like it's an overbooked flight situation

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where if you're not there in time, instead of watching

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the game in your seats looking at the court, you

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will be watching the game and a watch party in

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court B, which I would that would suck. If I

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were to go to Englewood and I first some reason

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wasn't able to get there, and then I had to

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watch the game in a watch party instead of in

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my seat, I would be upset.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, another thing to be upset about right now. I guess.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're being sold though, because people like, oh,

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they're going to sell the tickets to the Lakers fans.

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That's not going to happen because it is the fan section.

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But it's just it does feel like one of those

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things where It's like, why, why is this happening? It's

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just another annoying thing to have to deal with from

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a PR perspective.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how all the ticket stuff works, and

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I saw people in the Reddit thread, of course weren't

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happy about it.

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Speaker 1: So I bet we get if they get destroyed by

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the Lakers. I bet there's like a like Balmer buys

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an ad in the paper or something type move, you

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know what I mean, Like deer fans, we're as frustrated

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as you are.

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Speaker 2: Sure people still read papers, you know what.

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Speaker 1: I'm whatever, Yeah, I'm old. Yeah he'll buy a I

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don't know, maybe he'll do like a sky riding message

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to the fans. That would be nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's usually people do to send different types of messages.

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Speaker 1: That's very true. I did see. I think there was

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no this was for the Dolphins. Before Chris Greer got fired.

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There were a couple of planes flying over some home

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games that said fire Mike McDonald or Mike McDaniel and

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Chris Grear. We did get our wish with Greer, so

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that was nice. Did you see the zu bots tweet

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about pick and roll defense that we got tagged in?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I saw that Yeah.

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Speaker 1: For those who didn't see it, it doesn't look great. Obviously,

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it's just basically outlining pick and roll defense and Zoo

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is in two pairings at the top with the most

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points per screen direct given up in the league. Doesn't

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feel good. Don't think it's indicative totally of the defense,

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but it doesn't feel good. Right. The defense as a

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whole has been bad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's more telling given Zoo's entire career

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that collectively they're just not connected at all, since typically

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every other year he is one of the best pick

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and role defenders. Now I'm curious to see what his

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defense and what points per it's at one point twenty

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seven with James Harden. Yea, it's like that's lower than

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it is with DJ. James Harden is a much worse

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defender than DJ. How much do we put into this,

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Speaker 1: I was surprised by that too, because I was like,

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because Derek Jones Junior obviously hasn't played a lot of basketball,

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but that was all early in the season, and I

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was like, oh that, I mean.

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Speaker 2: The defense been bad since Game one since Utah.

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Speaker 1: Very true.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's it's one guy and I'm not

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saying a Visa Zubos has had a stellar season, and

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I think effort at times defensively has waned with him

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and others on this team, of course, and you expect

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more from Visa Zubas on that end. But if your

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point of attack defense is bad, and it has been

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this season, it can lead the things falling apart everywhere.

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it's just been a bad year for everybody right.

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Speaker 1: Now, our Ti Mars TV bringing up this is a

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horrifying newsbreak here. Hot dogs also raised by four dollars.

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Brutal pr can't get any worse, right now, that's true.

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We need to go Costco on the hot dogs. I

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asked for it was true and they said yes, so

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they might be lying. Another thing that was funny this

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week everyone was getting upset about that trade report from

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Dallas Hoops Journal, our number one source for Clippers trade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you want to talk about rage bait? My god, Hey, everybody,

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let's take advantage of this opportunity to kick the Clippers

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while they're down, because we know it gives a lot

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of clicks right now. That's all that was.

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Speaker 1: It was so crazy it was like, guy, don't like

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Mark's There were some trade rumors from mark Stein that

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came out. Sure believe that.

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Speaker 2: Don't know da no, no, no, no, no. Let me know when

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the last time mark Stein broke the story was. I

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don't even I don't even stay believe that. When was

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the last time he broke a story. I don't know

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that he beat Chom's woj Chris Haynes, because I still

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remember mark Stein saying, oh, the Miami Heat or the

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Dallas Mavericks could be in on Kawhi Leonard. They're looking

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at him, they're circling after he tore his ACL and

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then Kawhi immediately as soon as free agency opened signed

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the extension with the Clippers. No no, no, let me

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let me put this one. Those teams used all their

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money right away. So obviously they knew they didn't have

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a chance to get Kawhi because the max money they

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would have had to give him immediately went up in

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flames with the money they spent. I'm not trying to hate,

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but I just I know the guys who are always

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the ones who break the news, and mark Stein hasn't

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been one of them for a long time.

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Speaker 1: His recent quote was one well placed Western Conference observer

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shared this week that James Hard James hardenstat is going forward,

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is being monitored closely by various teams given his career

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goals at age thirty six, and the Clippers didn't prospects

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for digging out of their current hole. I do appreciate

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that he gives us at least some prospects for getting

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out of our hole.

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Speaker 2: He mentioned Minnesota, who people have been mentioning like for

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three weeks. Here regarding James harden great steinlined, I'm sorry,

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but get I gotta be honest. He's good at what

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he does, much fairer than I am what I do.

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Speaker 1: It's just it's also not like this quote is so

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funny because it's like, I'm sure, of course this isn't

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necessarily news.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like the problem is guys that are newsbreakers

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and guys that live in the rumors world, Uh, they're

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expected to have content a lot. So it's kind of

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necessitates at times, I think stuff that could be more.

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Speaker 1: Flimsy sure or broader stuff.

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Speaker 2: You have to have something in that job. You have

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to have something. People have been killing shams for like

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six months about Giannis. It's like I think eventually he's

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gonna be right, guys, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He'll get one. The trade destinations were hard and are

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interesting too because people brought up Minnesota, Like, Harden's play

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style isn't one that I'm not saying it's not conducive

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to winning. But the teams that are in a position

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that would like they could trade for James Harden, he

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would kind of change a lot of what their offense

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would look.

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Speaker 2: Like, you know what I mean, Yeah, seismic change.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if that trade is out there

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for the Clippers.

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Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is in Law brought this up

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with me again yesterday. He still has to sign off

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on it, right, James Harden has to sign off on

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a deal, and James Harden's also from La. That's that's

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something that we got to bring up every time people say, well,

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just trade trade James Harden, trade Kawhi or things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't as soon as I see the shops

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or whoever. Because the way that it would be broken

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is the Clippers are working with James Harden to find

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a destination or something, you know, like it would be

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mostly figured out by the time we would have announced,

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because they're not just it's not gonna be a surprise.

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James Harden is not going to be shocked at the trade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. He will have to approve it. So

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it's a place a destination that he will have to

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want to go to. And that's one of many issues

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as you mentioned there. Okay, so then who would Minnesota

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be interested in trading that gets you to forty million dollars?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: And people bring up Rob Dillingham because he's a young

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guard and that can help the Clippers. Well, they gave

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up draft capital for him. I don't know how realistic

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that is. And he's only making six million. So how

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are you getting to forty million dollars? Here? Are they

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taking Julius Randall? They're not going to give up Jade McDaniels.

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Are you going to take Rudy Gobert and then make

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another move of the beatsa Zubats? Likew how is this happening?

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It just seems pretty unlikely. One Matthew Matha.

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Speaker 1: People people talk about the Pacers. H Matherine has been

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a coveted, potential fake trade asset for people wanting James

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Harden to go to the Pacers.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I've been a fan since Arizona. I love Ben Mathin.

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That's that's my other Kaming Island liked.

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Speaker 1: Hey, I will see you on Mathern Island way before

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I'll see you on Kaming Island. But that's another one

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that's kind of weird, right because you're gonna get Tyre's

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Halliburton back next, you know what I mean? Like it's

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a rental basically for them, So what would they and

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they're bad, like I just.

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Speaker 2: Don't Yeah, I don't know who else, Like they're looking

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towards the future of who they'd have to sign, if

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they're if they're trying to free up more caproom because

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obviously they freed up caproom with Miles Turner. So if

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you're giving them an expiring contract back, how much does

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a team like Indiana come at that? Yeah, Mathern's not

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making a ton anyways.

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Speaker 1: Boston was another spot, so people talked about this. I

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like this from Ace Boogie four seven four hy As Boogie.

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There's not a perfect landing spot for hard maybe Houston,

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but he doesn't think they want to gut their depth.

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I don't think Houston wants to do that.

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Speaker 2: They got Kevin Emao, Dooka and him. I don't think.

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I thought he May has spoke about this before, like

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that that was a possibility before in the past, and

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email was against it. I doubt that's also forty million dollars.

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How do you make that work?

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Speaker 1: It's a lot. Yeah, Okay. Two years ago, Emau Douker

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reportedly had zero interest in coaching James Harden. He may

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said it's not going to work.

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Speaker 2: Sure, keep throwing it out there, because people have to

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make news. People that are in the news breaking business,

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they have to make some news. They have to stay relevant.

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I get it. It's tough job. Not not hating No

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Mark Stein, he's been doing this a long time.

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Speaker 1: Oh and the he coached him too when they were

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in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's probably not gonna happen. And also yeah,

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I think the depth point is a good call here too,

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Like they don't want to cut their depths, they gonna

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give up hold on. Someone's upset that we're dependent on

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Derek Jones Jr. The season is not dependent on Derek

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Jones Junior. The season's kind of lost.

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Speaker 2: But maybe he's referring to Dallas Hoop's journal or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But it would be nice to get Derek Jones junior back,

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and if there's not a good enough deal out there

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for him, he's a guy who can fit into the

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later cap plan.

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Speaker 2: I'm bringing up. I think him and Chris Dunn, you know,

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once the season started to turn the first go weeks,

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I think those are coveted contracts by people. They would

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love to get those guys. I don't know how much

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you're getting back.

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Speaker 1: With the new Apron stuff. It's so weird too, Like

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it's like it makes it even more difficult. Speaking of difficult, William,

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I thought it was five thirty. No, it's okay.

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Speaker 3: I thought we were doing five thirty.

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Speaker 1: It's okay.

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Speaker 2: Really three as almost a zero. You just had another

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three on the other side. No, that's no, that's an eight.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: We were we were, you were early. I appreciate that

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we were just talking trades and how we don't think

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that James Harden is going anywhere because it doesn't fit

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or work money wise.

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Speaker 2: He could. I just don't know about Minnesota or Houston.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where else he's going.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Minnesota, I think makes the most sense. Did they

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have any assets though? That really makes that appealing for

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the Clippers.

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Speaker 2: But they don't have guys that are on big enough

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contracts that I think they'd be willing to trade that

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would make the trade work.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And also I think people should Clippers fans should

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prepare themselves to be just be fine with whatever return

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the Clippers get. I know everyone's probably gonna be upset.

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The trade value for Kawhi is super weird to figure out.

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For a while.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome, they're set they haven't traded them. Then they'll

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be upset the trade them and don't get enough back.

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Speaker 1: That's correct because the game they are six and twenty

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one or whatever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Do you think we get to seven wins before Christmas?

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Speaker 2: There's two games before Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Where it's six wins. Yeah, you think we split?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think somehow they get one in the next

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two against the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: Give me the Lakers one this season. Yeah, I'll take

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the consolation prize beating the Lakers once. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Fuck now, the Cup.

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Speaker 1: You see how much worse it is to not have

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the Cup? Don't we feel horrible?

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Speaker 3: Do you feel glad that we didn't win the Cup?

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Speaker 2: No, Because if you're a team that has not won

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a championship and you win the Cup, you're never gonna

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hear the end of that.

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Speaker 1: The banner situation with the Clippers would have been funny

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because they would have been like, oh, you guys aren't

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gonna put a banner up for the Cup.

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Speaker 3: We will put it next to the CP three Jersey.

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Speaker 1: Shut up, We'll do it in two years. They got

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the Lakers tomorrow Marden is playing. I'm not feeling super

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good about it, but.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Will do you think the fans will?

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Speaker 2: I was gonna say, I'm glad the Lakers won against Utah,

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so maybe they won't be as desperate. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't think teams have to be too desperate to

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beat the Clippers right now.

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Speaker 2: I'm not saying they need to be able to say.

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It doesn't help the Clippers if they are.

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Speaker 1: Well. How you feel about tomorrow's game? Do you think

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we were talking at Maybe if they get beat horribly,

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like not you know, buzzer beat or whatever, that's heartbreak.

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But if they just kind of play shitty and get stopped,

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do you think a Steve Balmer address is coming?

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Speaker 3: I think if they get beat badly, the wall fans

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that weren't allowed to watch at the game despite already

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paying for their tickets should be allowed to take whatever

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they want from the stadium.

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Speaker 1: If you are at into it, reach your hand in

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the cash register right now.

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Speaker 3: Home, take the Ram, take the NAT.

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Speaker 1: Well. The Lakers are well. Actually I would agree with that,

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because the Lakers injury report is pretty crazy. DeAndre Ayton

473
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,720
is out, Austin Reeves is out, Ruey is questionable. So

474
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,079
they gotta get to win tomorrow night.

475
00:27:05,599 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 2: Do that?

476
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,559
Speaker 1: No fair point. They have challenged me before on this.

477
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,119
Speaker 2: Memphis is worse and had more guys out and they

478
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,359
still lost some Monday night into.

479
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,519
Speaker 1: Good point, Adam, thank you.

480
00:27:25,759 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 2: Just gotta bring the hard facts sometimes, you know, the

481
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,039
little truth bomb, little truth bomb to blow myself up

482
00:27:31,079 --> 00:27:31,960
with the two yeah.

483
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:40,000
Speaker 1: Me true suicide bomb is there? Dude d flu Is

484
00:27:40,039 --> 00:27:42,759
saying he'd be surprised if they win more than twenty games.

485
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:48,559
Dude me too. Honestly, we're gonna lose thirty before we

486
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:49,559
get to ten wins.

487
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 3: We're gonna start twenty twenty six without ten wins.

488
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 4: That's so crazy on account the Clippers wins on your

489
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:08,759
two hands. Going into a new new year of basketball.

490
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 1: I had a funny thought at work the other day.

491
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,799
For some reason, I was looking at Clippers team stats

492
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:21,240
for this season, and I was just like, this doesn't

493
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:24,880
matter at all. I don't need to worry about what

494
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,920
their field goal. Like the team is so bad that

495
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:32,160
I've just ascended into let's just have some Let's just

496
00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:36,240
be you know, plucky, I guess, not in the playoffs.

497
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,799
Let's just be kind of annoying to play against. That's

498
00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:40,559
my bar right now is if we can be a

499
00:28:40,599 --> 00:28:43,240
team that just somehow kind of gets to sm for

500
00:28:43,319 --> 00:28:46,599
like a quarter, right I need I can give you

501
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,359
twelve plucky minutes of basketball. I need nineteen plucky minutes

502
00:28:51,359 --> 00:28:53,920
of basketball, and then I'll be like, well, whatever, we're

503
00:28:53,960 --> 00:29:01,880
all gonna die someday, Adam.

504
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 3: Right now, you said you saw some improvements on the

505
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:05,839
road trip.

506
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: There's just no reason to get upset, I guess.

507
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:13,480
Speaker 2: And then they played Memphis. They actually played well in

508
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:17,240
some ways last night, Like they won all these different categories.

509
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,640
But the turnovers, you can't have twenty nine of them

510
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,400
leading to forty points. Uh, But they were in the game.

511
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:26,000
They led by eleven in the first quarter, or down

512
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,519
by five midway through the third, down by seven, and

513
00:29:28,559 --> 00:29:33,799
then turnover, turnover, turnover, twenty point lead for okay, see, uh,

514
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:37,720
last night's not the game though that I get is

515
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:39,880
upset about like people keep saying the new the next

516
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,400
game is the new b low. No, Memphis was still

517
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,799
the low. Okay, see was not the low for me?

518
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, see wasn't because it's like we were gonna

519
00:29:50,680 --> 00:30:00,000
lose that game. I think without twenty nine turnovers.

520
00:29:58,319 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 2: They only had like sixteen or seven team though I

521
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:01,319
don't know what.

522
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: It could have been. Something only if only they had

523
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,519
seventeen turnovers.

524
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: Just don't turn over twenty nine times.

525
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't turn it over twenty nine times tomorrow.

526
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:18,160
I feel pretty good about the chances of keeping it close.

527
00:30:20,079 --> 00:30:22,599
They're just too unpredictable. Honestly, though, do we think, like,

528
00:30:22,599 --> 00:30:26,839
how do we think they get the twenty wins?

529
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,279
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, are they that unpredictable? Uh?

530
00:30:31,839 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: I guess you don't know what? Uh not that they're unpredictable?

531
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:39,160
What is going to be their downfall? How will they lose?

532
00:30:39,359 --> 00:30:42,960
How will they lose? Is sometimes unpredictable and very predictable,

533
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,799
But sometimes you're like, of course we gave up X

534
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,119
amount of offensive rounds.

535
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:50,319
Speaker 2: Well, start to get tired.

536
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: About sixty percent yeah, Zoo's got to have a big

537
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,519
game tomorrow.

538
00:30:58,279 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: You just stay tired. You don't have to get tired.

539
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:09,359
Speaker 1: Depressed. Sugar free six Clippers just sugar free is just

540
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:10,680
like yeah, I mean, I don't know, I don't really

541
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,799
want to go out to that man. Stay tired. You

542
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:15,480
don't have to get tired, like, dude, are you Okay?

543
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:20,119
Speaker 2: I thought that was the play. They ready, so you

544
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,200
don't have to get ready it is.

545
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: That's so.

546
00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: The Clippers. They took that from. Uh, they're the last

547
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,079
ten games. They're tenth in net rating in first halves

548
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:34,599
the last ten games.

549
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go.

550
00:31:37,599 --> 00:31:43,119
Speaker 2: Now, let's check out the second halves here, I got it.

551
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: Wait, let's let's let's guess it's thirty ship dude.

552
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,279
Speaker 2: They are tenth in first halves the last ten games

553
00:31:52,319 --> 00:31:54,319
and thirtieth and second halves in net rating.

554
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: Oh god, so we found the problem.

555
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 2: It totally tracks.

556
00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Tracks. They look terrible.

557
00:32:00,079 --> 00:32:02,319
Speaker 2: That's that's what I mean. How are they gonna lose

558
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:05,799
the game? Or this team's unpredictable? No, it's been pretty predictable.

559
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:08,920
It's the second half.

560
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: Uh.

561
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: Big r R sixty four says twenty seven wins. I

562
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,880
don't know about that. Do they got twenty one more

563
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,119
wins in it? Well, there's eighteen in March, so they're

564
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,000
probably gonna get what thirteen there they go thirteen and

565
00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:25,759
five in March.

566
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to predict because I don't think it's

567
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:33,960
gonna be the same team. Yeah by midway January.

568
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,359
Speaker 1: How different do we think the team will be? Do

569
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,480
you think it's a I think it's I guess they're

570
00:32:40,519 --> 00:32:42,519
gonna look for a backup center. The way they've been

571
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:44,319
talking about this team is like, we're gonna try and

572
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:46,160
do some things to keep us competitive. So it's like

573
00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:52,240
backup center. And I don't know someone who like Damar DeRozan.

574
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:04,079
Speaker 2: M maybe it could be somebody unexpected.

575
00:33:05,359 --> 00:33:07,079
Speaker 1: What if we have ten day contract guys play the

576
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:12,279
second half of our games. I like that youth blood bath. Yeah,

577
00:33:12,279 --> 00:33:16,799
that would probably be worse. We haven't talked.

578
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,039
Speaker 2: They at least the young guys start the third quarter.

579
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,039
I like that, and they don't lose the third quarter

580
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:29,319
by as bad, and then it's like a it's like another.

581
00:33:30,039 --> 00:33:33,279
It's basically the starters get two halftimes to recover because

582
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:35,359
they don't play the third quarter, and then they play

583
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:35,759
the fourth.

584
00:33:36,359 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: I love this. This is exactly what they need to do.

585
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,920
They didn't go to the Halloween party. They should do this.

586
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,599
Speaker 2: Is that not for the people who are still like

587
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:56,519
team CP three and all these things? Like, is that

588
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,839
not telling at all to people that guys didn't go

589
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:02,799
Halloween party? Or that he had to apologize to the

590
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:05,079
team that he felt like he should at one point?

591
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,400
Does that all right? Registered at all? The only funny

592
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,840
if you, I guess, if you think, well, the team's

593
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,000
soft and they're not accountable and they don't want to

594
00:34:14,039 --> 00:34:15,519
hang out with him, you just don't care.

595
00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: That's what people think.

596
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,199
Speaker 2: You just you just take CP three side anyways, And

597
00:34:19,199 --> 00:34:21,360
if we remember, not hard enough for the Halloween party?

598
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: A little movie called Draft Day. It's a pretty bad

599
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,039
sign if no one goes to your birthday party, Boe Callahan,

600
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:29,559
his teammates did not go to his birthday party and

601
00:34:29,639 --> 00:34:32,079
Draft Day, look what happened.

602
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:32,039
Speaker 2: To that.

603
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,199
Speaker 1: Will? Are you going to be depressed if Zubac gets traded?

604
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,039
Speaker 3: What's the return?

605
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: Uh, your guy Anthrony in two first round picks and

606
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:57,119
whatever filler? I'll live. No, that's a depressed thing to say. Flourish, Yeah,

607
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,239
it'd be sad. But it's like if you're going to

608
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:00,679
a team where you have a or shot at win

609
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:01,360
and I like that.

610
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, Adam, will you be depressed.

611
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 2: I would be pretty damn sad because he will flourish

612
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,880
and it will hurt and it will be painful. I

613
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,320
had a thought last night, like what if we blow

614
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,599
it up and just keep Zubots and just put shooters.

615
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:26,079
Speaker 3: Around him, build around Zubos.

616
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:30,679
Speaker 2: You know, I thought, uh, who was a Justin Russo

617
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:33,239
made a good point about the spacing and how they

618
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,159
can't make entry entry passes to visa Zubos, and I'm like,

619
00:35:37,199 --> 00:35:39,320
I know, I know a way to get entry passes

620
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:43,199
in and get him some one on one opportunities Zubots,

621
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:46,239
like for one in four out four out, one in.

622
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,280
Speaker 1: I mean it would be a good time. Okay, where's

623
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,320
that tweet? Because I know what tweet you're talking about.

624
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,159
Speaker 2: Like, I need to see Zubots fully explored as a

625
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:03,440
player pause before they let him go. I need to

626
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,960
see him maximize now before anybody in the chat does.

627
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like the I like the idea of trade

628
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,679
every that's really yeah, it's like, so well, we already

629
00:36:16,679 --> 00:36:19,039
have the point guard. Right, we already got Kobe Sanders,

630
00:36:19,039 --> 00:36:20,320
so it's Kobe Sanders Zoo.

631
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:25,119
Speaker 2: Like, what if Zoo's good for another like six years

632
00:36:25,159 --> 00:36:30,440
at a pretty high level. Six, I mean she's thirty

633
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,679
four at that time. That's not that's not crazy.

634
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:38,199
Speaker 1: I think they probably moved him.

635
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:41,079
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I think that I think we should

636
00:36:41,159 --> 00:36:44,480
consider building more around Zuo. That means you also have

637
00:36:44,519 --> 00:36:45,760
to change the head coach and all.

638
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,159
Speaker 1: They think a lot.

639
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you, people.

640
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:55,519
Speaker 3: I agree with you. He's just the most tradeable asset.

641
00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:59,760
Speaker 2: No, of course, like you can definitely get the most

642
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,239
for Zoo. And if it happens, it happens, and I'll

643
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,599
be somewhat understanding, but it's always going.

644
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: To fully understand.

645
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,119
Speaker 2: It's not going to be. First of all, when they

646
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:10,920
trade SGA, we didn't know what he was going to

647
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,639
turn into. I think we have more of an idea

648
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:16,639
of just how good Zoo could be in the right situation.

649
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 1: That's a good call. People want to stretch five. People

650
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,960
are in love with this idea of a stretch five,

651
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,159
as if there are many stretch fives flourishing right now.

652
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,639
As the starting center for a team.

653
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: Pretty unique, Not that many like Zubots took that got

654
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:43,360
that three pointer up in what twenty twenty one? Yeah,

655
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,239
and then they took him out of the game. So

656
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,639
he kept his iron Man streak. He played every game

657
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,639
and he got that three pointer and nailed it. It

658
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,840
is twenty twenty five and we still don't know if

659
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,639
it beats the Zubots who claims he has touch from

660
00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:01,039
the outside could do more. Now they're the ones that practice,

661
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:06,519
they see things. But I I I don't think we've

662
00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:11,400
touched tip of that. It's tip of the iceberg with him.

663
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:12,559
Speaker 1: Here's these three?

664
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 2: Is that Reggie, that's Roddough.

665
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 1: That's what?

666
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was I'll tell you what. Twenty one had

667
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:30,320
no idea that was coming with the Of course.

668
00:38:31,159 --> 00:38:33,639
Speaker 1: Jerry Mormon saying after Brook Lopez, I don't want to

669
00:38:33,679 --> 00:38:36,199
stretch five. I think Zoo. I don't know. If Zoo

670
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:39,360
has the he'd be doing a lot. Does Zoo have

671
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:43,559
like this, like the ability to have the offense play through.

672
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:47,519
Speaker 2: Him, like no enough of a handle and he's not

673
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:53,679
a good enough pastor, is it? But you can't get

674
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,199
to that point if you don't give it a chance.

675
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,480
Speaker 3: You can't swim without getting in the water. At him.

676
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 2: He's right, yeah, sink or swim time will and.

677
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,519
Speaker 1: Is it time to trade Kawhi Leonard if they find

678
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:11,400
as a as organization had hashtag enough.

679
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 3: I was like, if there's even a package out there,

680
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:18,519
Like we talked about this on the other day, it's

681
00:39:18,559 --> 00:39:22,239
really even it's a huge question mark if he even

682
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,840
can be traded with the ongoing investigation.

683
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:29,119
Speaker 1: I think that has to play into the cloudiness of it.

684
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,920
Like Bill Simmons had something where he was like, I

685
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,119
think we're gonna hear somewhere around the holidays, and it's like, well,

686
00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:43,079
it's December nineteenth, dog, so that would be soon. I guess.

687
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,239
I don't know, it's not. It just all depends on

688
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,639
the return. We can't think about like if the return

689
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,079
is the best return they could possibly get. Sure, I

690
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:56,320
don't think there's a first round pick attached for Kawhi

691
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,360
or I don't think we get a first round pick

692
00:39:59,400 --> 00:39:59,920
for Kawhi.

693
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not.

694
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,199
Speaker 1: Again, the apron stuff makes it weird too, write like

695
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,960
we that plays a whole factor into it.

696
00:40:12,679 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 2: Aspiration, it's a lot there's a lot of variables here. Also,

697
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:21,440
do they want to do that to the first guy

698
00:40:21,559 --> 00:40:24,079
to choose the Clippers as his destination.

699
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 1: Well, I think they've shown then they don't care too much. No,

700
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,159
I'm just kidding.

701
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 3: I think they have a conversation with him, of course.

702
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:36,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, like yeah, I think why would have to sign

703
00:40:36,679 --> 00:40:38,639
off on it, is what I'm saying, Like, I don't

704
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:40,840
think they're going to blindside him because of what's happened

705
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:41,320
in the past.

706
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,519
Speaker 3: But like, if you're not getting a pick, I mean

707
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:45,559
like then at that point you're just doing it to

708
00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:47,039
shed salary.

709
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 1: Like right, that's what they make you know, maybe.

710
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 3: Get a couple of role players who still line up

711
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,480
with your long term financial goals. Like but so that's

712
00:40:55,639 --> 00:40:58,360
and it's a lateral move. I mean, like, is anybody really,

713
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,800
like you know, is anybody in the chat really doing.

714
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 1: Dance for that? And the other part is you can't

715
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,840
just combine guys willy nilly. Now you have to be

716
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,000
at the certain is it below the first apron to

717
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:12,239
combine salary to get a trade, because.

718
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 3: Like it's the second apron where you can't aggregate salaries.

719
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: So like a team that's like, oh, we're only a

720
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,079
Kawhi Leonard away, my guess would be there close or

721
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:22,320
over the second apron. Because that's usually how it goes

722
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,119
with a good team, right, you have multiple guys you

723
00:41:24,119 --> 00:41:26,800
got to pay high middle salary cap to so like

724
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:28,320
that makes it all the more difficult.

725
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: I mean most teams aren't above the second apron, like

726
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:36,119
Cleveland is the one talked about with that, Like they

727
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:40,559
couldn't aggregate a trade for Kawhi. I think there there's

728
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,239
enough out there. I just don't know the interest level

729
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:43,960
they would have.

730
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: Because it's been good offensively.

731
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: Numbers still look really good.

732
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,519
Speaker 1: Numbers look good. That second half.

733
00:41:55,519 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: I thought he looked Actually he was killing Dort at

734
00:41:58,519 --> 00:42:02,320
times yesterday, like on a Dort the last two times

735
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:07,159
against Kawhi one on one has been getting cooked. Like

736
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,400
Kawhi is very comfortable in that matchup.

737
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:14,280
Speaker 1: Just need it all to come together because nothing has

738
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,079
been able to come together for the Clippers.

739
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:23,199
Speaker 2: But also the other part of it, well you talked

740
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:27,920
about it, it's just a shit salary. But that's only

741
00:42:28,599 --> 00:42:32,639
if you're getting back expiring contracts for this year. Yeah,

742
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:36,280
because Kauhai is already expiring contract after next season. Yeah,

743
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,039
so how are you going to get better contracts than

744
00:42:40,039 --> 00:42:43,800
that that expire? Like that's that's a reason to do it,

745
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:51,760
but that might be difficult. Ye it's already Yeah, it's

746
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,639
already an expiring contract after next season, a year and

747
00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:58,760
a half from now. Yeah.

748
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:00,519
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, is that, like, if you're not

749
00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:04,119
getting a pick, like even getting salaries that line up,

750
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,800
assuming that you're dealing with a team on the second

751
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,320
apron is like if this team is still has their

752
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,880
their eyest on twenty twenty seven, that's still kind of difficult.

753
00:43:16,159 --> 00:43:22,840
Speaker 2: I just like Kawhi is an asset in that way

754
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,039
that actually his contract is expiring soon and it's fifty

755
00:43:27,079 --> 00:43:31,159
million off the books, So if you're trading him, you

756
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:34,119
better get bat guys that also are expiring at least

757
00:43:34,119 --> 00:43:38,679
in twenty twenty seven, if not this season, or a

758
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:45,760
good young player that but the likelihood, the likelihood is

759
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:46,440
tough on that.

760
00:43:46,559 --> 00:43:49,079
Speaker 1: Kean Ellis. We had a first round pick we trade

761
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:55,039
with the Kings. We got kean Ellis Russ.

762
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:56,599
Speaker 3: And that's why I said, I mean, it's not that

763
00:43:56,599 --> 00:43:58,960
I wouldn't be sad if Zoo got traded, it just

764
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,960
I wouldn't be surprised. Like that math is so much

765
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:05,599
easier to work out than for a positive fifteen million

766
00:44:05,639 --> 00:44:09,360
dollar than it is for anyone else on our books.

767
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, except for like DJJ. And because he's making ten right.

768
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:16,199
Speaker 3: I know, but he's not playing right now, so I

769
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:18,639
still feel like that's I mean, you know, from what

770
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:19,960
people saw, maybe it was enough.

771
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:22,519
Speaker 1: But and he's supposedly back soon. But yeah, no, you're right,

772
00:44:22,559 --> 00:44:25,320
it's it's hard to His name was popping up and

773
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,519
I was like, he's hurt. He has a six week injury.

774
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,199
And again, you're probably not getting another ten million dollar

775
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,079
player who's as good as DJJ. It's a really good

776
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:37,920
ten million dollar contract, like.

777
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,199
Speaker 2: And Zoo's a really good twenty million dollar contract, really

778
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,199
really good, perhaps the best value in the NBA.

779
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,639
Speaker 1: You need those picks. I wouldn't be well, it's also

780
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,519
like Lawrence Frank, I wouldn't be surprised if any if Yeah,

781
00:44:50,679 --> 00:44:52,519
like I don't think we're getting to Joseph Ry Award

782
00:44:52,599 --> 00:44:59,400
style trade, which is nine guys, but Lawrence Frank loves trade.

783
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,960
So if you don't like this version of the team,

784
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,760
you have a GM who you probably maybe don't like too,

785
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,840
but he will try and make some moves like I

786
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,599
with ad him, there probably will be a move.

787
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 3: I mean, there has to be right, Like, haven't we

788
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,480
seen enough that like the roster is not going to

789
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:16,000
get there.

790
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I also think the roster's not getting there with

791
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,239
a trade, Like what's getting there? Right? Like the plan?

792
00:45:24,519 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I get like, yeah, that's best case scenario.

793
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,159
Speaker 2: That's why I keep saying if best case scenario is

794
00:45:31,199 --> 00:45:33,760
to be in the ninth tenth, which means you're playing

795
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,199
OKAC if you get out of it, that's a pretty

796
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:37,320
bad situation.

797
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 3: So you're saying, just don't even bother with the trade,

798
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,119
then just like just stay the course.

799
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:42,599
Speaker 1: It's bad.

800
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 2: No, if the return is totally interested, I'm interested in

801
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,559
shaking things up as long as you don't compromise future

802
00:45:50,599 --> 00:45:51,280
salary cap.

803
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't want this, Like there's this idea that

804
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,760
like let's trade for MPJ and Cam Thomas. That's insane

805
00:45:58,039 --> 00:46:02,679
because that those guys are like already kind of hurt,

806
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,960
and you know, I just would It's a lot of money.

807
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:07,719
It's a lot of money.

808
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:07,119
Speaker 2: And.

809
00:46:08,679 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: That's one that I don't want. But yeah, let's if

810
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,199
it doesn't fuck up with the cap space, let's shake

811
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:17,679
it and everybody's on the table for me, Like I

812
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:21,320
would like to keep in my head, which I don't

813
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,559
a lot rattling around in there. I think that ideally

814
00:46:24,559 --> 00:46:27,440
we'd be able to keep Derek Jones junior and if

815
00:46:27,559 --> 00:46:32,199
John Collins can make some improvements looking better within this system,

816
00:46:32,519 --> 00:46:35,480
I would like to keep them for the empty cap

817
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,440
space years because those seem like guys that would be

818
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:40,880
great on a team that has you know, a different

819
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:44,800
star or two stars whatever. Being the top guys Zoo

820
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,000
would be great too. I just think maybe they trade him,

821
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,320
So yeah, that's kind of where I'm at. Everyone's available.

822
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,400
I don't want to trade anyone for a shit return.

823
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:55,360
I'm not like, let's just pull the plug on the

824
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,840
whole thing, yea, because it's already and I guess that's

825
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:01,800
my point of like, it's already so bad, like which sucks,

826
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,920
But we're not turning the season around with a trade.

827
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 2: Less we are.

828
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,119
Speaker 1: That's exactly how the meetings are going with Baumar and

829
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:17,199
Lawrence Rights.

830
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:20,679
Speaker 2: It works for us, I actually do. I would be

831
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,760
interested in MPJ and Cam Thomas because Cam Thomas is

832
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,239
only making five million this year. Remember he didn't get

833
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,000
the money though he was going to get this offseason right.

834
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,719
But I'm not saying I'm not saying it's realistic. I'm saying,

835
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,239
if you could do it, that's not a bad idea.

836
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,800
An Mpj's contract ends the same time as Cuse in

837
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,480
T twenty seven for ten million dollars less, He's got

838
00:47:44,519 --> 00:47:45,480
forty million next year.

839
00:47:47,039 --> 00:47:48,599
Speaker 1: Be frustrated for a year and a half.

840
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 2: And I don't know how much people would be mad

841
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:57,800
because they'd be like, we should have had him to

842
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:00,000
begin with, we should have drafted him.

843
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:02,119
Speaker 1: Well, So that does feel like probably the natural move

844
00:48:02,159 --> 00:48:04,320
for the Clippers because they can't do anything to make

845
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:07,719
anyone happy right now, so trading for MPJA probably is

846
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:08,840
what's going to happen.

847
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:16,559
Speaker 2: I don't know what would Brooklyn be looking for exactly, though,

848
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:21,320
because the Clippers aren't interested in giving up first round picks,

849
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,719
and like Brooklyn's in that mode of just stockpiling right

850
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:30,320
there is a total teardown.

851
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, people want us to trade a first round pick

852
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,079
for MPJ and camp Thomas. Again, Mpj's a rental, like,

853
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:40,960
I don't think he'd be part of the Clipper's future

854
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:46,119
plans past twenty twenty seven. He would also, based on history,

855
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,440
not be available for a fair amount of games. I think.

856
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,119
Speaker 2: Camp Thomas, though, would be interesting though, because he is

857
00:48:55,199 --> 00:48:58,000
I'm guessing you wouldn't have his bird rights. I'm not

858
00:48:58,039 --> 00:49:01,400
sure on that, but he doesn't even believe if you

859
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:07,679
could get thirty games with Cam Thomas and then have

860
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:12,400
a decision to make on whatever he's looking for twenty

861
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:17,480
million dollars a year after this season, at least it's interesting.

862
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,400
People are like, no, it's terrible. It's like, tell me

863
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,760
all the other options there are. This is my logic

864
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,639
for wig Games and a lot of other guys like

865
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:32,000
I don't know who you think, but like like they're

866
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:39,960
they're they're regaining first round picks every year, they're recapturing them.

867
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:42,639
We got twenty thirty, we got twenty thirty two. Right now.

868
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: Cam Thomas has been out since November fifth due to

869
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,039
a hamstring Is that real or are they just trying

870
00:49:49,039 --> 00:49:51,880
to sit him down to trade him.

871
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 2: I think it's they really want to keep losing for

872
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:01,840
this draft and fair point, because they they ended up

873
00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:04,840
not getting as high of a draft pick as they

874
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,480
were projected to get this past year based off of losses.

875
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: Oh right, they were, and then they had what was

876
00:50:10,039 --> 00:50:13,760
that quote this offseason from the GM that was like

877
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,079
you've seen like someone's like basically asked them, like, are

878
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:18,119
you going to tank? And he's like, you've seen the

879
00:50:18,119 --> 00:50:20,159
construction of this roster. We're going to do all we

880
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,840
can to get an advantageous draft pick. And it's like cool,

881
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:25,719
so yes, So the answer.

882
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 2: Is yes, I don't. I kind of Someone made the

883
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:38,880
point earlier today about because they've leveled off your draft

884
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,559
odds where it used to be. I think the worst

885
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:42,679
seumul the league had like a twenty five percent chance

886
00:50:42,679 --> 00:50:45,440
again the number one pick. Yeah, and now the top

887
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:48,559
three teams with worst records have a twenty percent chance

888
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:53,239
each or something. And some are saying, well, that's how

889
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,119
you get more tanking. You're actually thinking you're trying to

890
00:50:56,159 --> 00:51:00,000
get away with tanking because well, it's not a guarantee

891
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:02,360
you're getting the number one pick. But because of that,

892
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,440
teams like, well, now I have to get back into

893
00:51:04,559 --> 00:51:06,840
the draft because I ended up getting the fifth pick

894
00:51:07,199 --> 00:51:10,519
when I should have gotten number one. So it actually

895
00:51:10,599 --> 00:51:12,159
works against the NBA trying to.

896
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:15,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, in a long term sentence, for sure, I.

897
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,159
Speaker 2: Can see that, because you know, Dallas and San Antonio

898
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:25,360
gained the top two picks this past year when they

899
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,480
weren't projected to Dallas had like a what a one

900
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:28,599
point six percent chance?

901
00:51:30,599 --> 00:51:34,079
Speaker 3: Well thought like that won't happened to the Clippers.

902
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't. Yeah, we don't got to worry about that.

903
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:40,000
We had that and then that pick became Kyrie Irving.

904
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,760
This is what happened with that. Not to open up

905
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:49,079
too all. Jimmy Williams gave us ten dollars. Thank you.

906
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:51,079
Jimmy said, thanks to Adam for Clippers talk and you

907
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:52,639
guys for clips and Dip to get us through these

908
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,239
dark days. Clippers fans need and appreciate it. Appreciate you, Jimmy.

909
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: Thanks Jimmy.

910
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: It is a deep draft, which is frustrating.

911
00:52:04,119 --> 00:52:07,679
Speaker 2: So somebody asked, would you do MPJ and Cam for

912
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,800
John Collins Bogey in a first? As a Nett fan,

913
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,000
I would yeah. As a Clippers fan, I would.

914
00:52:15,199 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 1: Yeah.

915
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:18,639
Speaker 2: I don't know about that we're giving the first.

916
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I wouldn't do that. I don't want to know.

917
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:23,599
Speaker 3: I'm not giving.

918
00:52:23,679 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 2: There's no way because Cam could straight leave an MPJ

919
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:35,159
injury prone his contract expires after this season. He has shown, though,

920
00:52:35,199 --> 00:52:37,119
that he could scale up the way people thought he

921
00:52:37,199 --> 00:52:39,360
could coming out of the draft before the back.

922
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:44,639
Speaker 1: Injury someone's talking was talking about kaminga. Are you slung

923
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,039
cominga island at him?

924
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 2: Tell me the price? Yeah? I what's he making?

925
00:52:54,159 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four point three?

926
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 2: I mentioned the other day he's almost as same as Collins. Yeah,

927
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:04,440
but four and you have a team option.

928
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,199
Speaker 1: He's unrestricted twenty seven to twenty eight though, so that's

929
00:53:07,199 --> 00:53:09,920
another scenario. Or what if he just leaves?

930
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:17,559
Speaker 2: Well, but that's if you don't think he's that good.

931
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:18,960
You don't care about that.

932
00:53:20,159 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: He also doesn't seem to be a very good locker

933
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:22,480
room guy.

934
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,079
Speaker 2: He said something recently about his benching in a game.

935
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:32,719
He's like, that's the right move to do, and seems

936
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,199
like he's better with that stuff. Yeah, he's twenty three.

937
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say. He is also very young.

938
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:39,440
So I feel like he can't.

939
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,599
Speaker 1: Even he can't even rent a car. I should give

940
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:45,159
him more grace. I'm actually that's fair issue.

941
00:53:46,079 --> 00:53:52,119
Speaker 2: Can like, where's the shooting? Uh? The start of the

942
00:53:52,159 --> 00:53:54,199
year he was hitting three pointers and you have a

943
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:56,639
game where he hit five or six or something like that.

944
00:53:57,039 --> 00:54:00,280
Is the mid range ever going to develop? We don't know.

945
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 1: We throw Kobe Sanders in the trade, I'll be upset.

946
00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, people definitely be upset. He had a crazy turnaround

947
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,519
on the left elbow in the first half yesterday. I

948
00:54:16,559 --> 00:54:18,800
was like, whoa out of a timeout? He just got

949
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:19,840
too hot and fired.

950
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: No, there's a little something. I'm not saying he's like

951
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,320
the future of the franchise, but there's a little something there.

952
00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:26,440
Like he wasn't bad on the defensive end a couple

953
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,280
of times. Obviously he's still learning, but like, that's fun.

954
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:32,639
Speaker 2: I need to see more.

955
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:36,159
Speaker 1: So you're saying build around Zoo and Kobe.

956
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 2: I think people, if you believe Zoo could be good

957
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,599
over the next six years, I don't know if I

958
00:54:49,599 --> 00:54:52,519
want to move that guy for two first six years

959
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:53,360
is a long time.

960
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is a long time. But you gotta like,

961
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,800
if Tyler's the co that's limiting how high he can

962
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,760
go for those six years.

963
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,639
Speaker 2: Is Is it because Tyler is the coach or because

964
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:10,920
the other guys that are surrounding him too that coach

965
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,199
lou knows he has to make more focal points on offense.

966
00:55:15,079 --> 00:55:19,199
Those guys are all gone when you have to lean

967
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:20,039
into Zoo.

968
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: I like that idea, all right. I'm not mad at

969
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:28,360
that at seeing tyleru with not Kawhi and James Harden

970
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,639
in this we get a good return scenario. I'm not

971
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:37,079
saying let's let's make this happen, but that would be interesting, Like, Okay,

972
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:40,639
has he had big what happened? I guess it's hard

973
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:42,639
with Lebron because it's like he's your.

974
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kevin Love obviously took a back seat. Mo's Goff.

975
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,440
They got good stuff out of mos Goff in big

976
00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,239
moments as guy.

977
00:55:59,519 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 1: He said, that's a good contract. I called I can see.

978
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:03,320
I call it a good contract.

979
00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 2: But Wazoo is like, can he be an efficient twenty

980
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:11,320
twelve guy? That's a number one or number two option

981
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,079
that you can win with. Not just he's getting the

982
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:18,000
twenty twelve numbers, but his impacts. His impact is high

983
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:18,920
with winning.

984
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: And I think like the fatigue thing that the yeah,

985
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,480
he's got to work on the that aspect of it

986
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,239
because if he is your main focal point, it's just

987
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,559
gonna be harder, even on defense because he is going

988
00:56:30,599 --> 00:56:31,400
to have to do a lot.

989
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,400
Speaker 3: Would you take a flyer on one of these young

990
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,519
guards that has kind of negative trade value if you're

991
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,639
giving up just an old guy, who are you.

992
00:56:43,639 --> 00:56:52,320
Speaker 2: Talking about, like say Trey young Oh soh Trey jaw Uh.

993
00:56:52,639 --> 00:56:56,440
Who's the other one, Oh, LaMelo. Those are the three

994
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:57,559
that people talk about right now.

995
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:00,199
Speaker 3: If it was like Harden and whatever it takes to

996
00:57:00,199 --> 00:57:04,320
make the money work, because the years with Trey or John,

997
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,960
I think would line up about the same. I don't

998
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,400
know about Lamel. Off the top of my head.

999
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:12,079
Speaker 1: Give me Trey over either of those guys. If I'm choosing,

1000
00:57:12,639 --> 00:57:14,800
if there's three bullets.

1001
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,199
Speaker 3: Like, what do you explore it just to make a change.

1002
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,840
I'm not like, I'm obviously like, I don't think that

1003
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,880
that's effecting your winning percentage.

1004
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,079
Speaker 1: No, we have some people who actually want us to

1005
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:25,159
take a hard line and really start throwing people in

1006
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:27,239
the organization under a bus. So I think you need

1007
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:32,800
to really lose it with this one.

1008
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: I here's the thing. Harden's not going to go to

1009
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,880
Charlotte because he has to sign off on it. I

1010
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,840
don't think he would sign off on going to Charlotte.

1011
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 3: I think he would sign of Atlanta, though potentially.

1012
00:57:43,559 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 2: Atlanta is interesting, Memphis might be interesting.

1013
00:57:49,199 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: Memphis you have.

1014
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,119
Speaker 3: And I throw appealing to me of those guards. But

1015
00:57:55,159 --> 00:57:58,639
I'm just thinking, like, if you working in the parameters

1016
00:57:58,679 --> 00:58:00,960
of if you want to keep your flexibility for twenty

1017
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:05,119
twenty seven, not give up any draft capital, hopefully get younger.

1018
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: Uh have to, I mean it's hard not to, but yeah.

1019
00:58:09,559 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 3: Those I think are kind of the deals you're looking

1020
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:15,400
at is like, you know, places where the guards aren't

1021
00:58:16,639 --> 00:58:19,480
you're not competing with a lot of offers, and they're

1022
00:58:19,519 --> 00:58:21,880
already you know, kind of pretty to that somewhat negative

1023
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:22,480
trade value.

1024
00:58:23,719 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: The problem is if you bring in Trey or LaMelo

1025
00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:31,840
or Jaw, all of them are taking up one of

1026
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,760
those slots basically that you're hoping to have two up

1027
00:58:34,800 --> 00:58:37,079
in twenty twenty seven, because the reason you have two

1028
00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:40,920
is because James Harden's contract is up. Then also yeahhi

1029
00:58:41,039 --> 00:58:41,960
am James are out.

1030
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,360
Speaker 3: But you can just make a decision at that point,

1031
00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:50,199
what do you mean, like just optimize the cap space,

1032
00:58:50,239 --> 00:58:51,920
say hey, it was it was great, and thank you

1033
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:53,239
for getting us through these two years.

1034
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: Have fun in Oh, bring one of these guys in.

1035
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,119
Speaker 3: This nor like if you if you do it now

1036
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,480
and if you treat it like the MPJ thing where

1037
00:59:04,519 --> 00:59:06,960
it's like, well we don't necessarily have to resign you

1038
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:09,679
like we can. We'll explore that when we when we

1039
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:10,679
come to that bridge.

1040
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:14,599
Speaker 2: Here's the problem though, with Trey. He has a player

1041
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:17,760
option for next season. I think it's likely he opts

1042
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,800
out after this year, and you're gonna have to make

1043
00:59:19,840 --> 00:59:20,840
a decision right away.

1044
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1045
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 1: That that's a really, that's a bugaboo.

1046
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 2: I'm honestly, because of contract and age, I would be

1047
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,880
more interested in LaMelo than Trey. Trey is likely about

1048
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,679
to get one hundred and eight million dollar plus contract.

1049
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:38,559
Speaker 3: God, that's tough.

1050
00:59:41,639 --> 00:59:44,079
Speaker 2: I don't hate. I don't hate it, though, Like I I.

1051
00:59:44,159 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 1: Like Trey all the time.

1052
00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:51,159
Speaker 2: None of these options are perfect. I don't love any

1053
00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:54,800
of them.

1054
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: Accurate eleven is saying Jordan Miller needs to be here

1055
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,199
more than Kobe Sanders. I don't know about that.

1056
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:02,559
Speaker 2: He's three years older.

1057
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 3: Fits with the if it's with the counter with the vine.

1058
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 1: Always confused, Yeah they what the hell are you talking about?

1059
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 2: I like Jordan Miller. I want him to get more

1060
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:25,679
run and get more opportunities this season. But I think, honestly,

1061
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,000
it's pretty clear that Kobe Sanders has more NBA role

1062
01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:31,679
player utility that works.

1063
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: He's got more trust.

1064
01:00:34,039 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 2: He's three years younger.

1065
01:00:35,639 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I would agree, he's got a lot more trust. Yeah,

1066
01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,079
I don't. I think actually, now that you bring it up,

1067
01:00:46,159 --> 01:00:48,559
that is like my least favorite route they could go

1068
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:54,880
would be expensive young point guard because all those guys

1069
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:56,639
like who are available are injury from no.

1070
01:00:56,679 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, it's it's not good just of all

1071
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:01,599
the like all the I'm just saying like.

1072
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 2: That is like that is it's realistic.

1073
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true. It is realistic. Chimmy Choga twenty three

1074
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:17,480
saying two words Bronnie James, Bronnie Kobe Zoo, Jordan Miller,

1075
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:23,199
Kobe Brown. We win twelve games a year, We draft

1076
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:32,960
the future great LaMelo would be a nightmare.

1077
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 2: Got dip in Clippers culture.

1078
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: You can't what we don't. So that's that's the other thing.

1079
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:45,920
What is Clippers culture after this twenty after all these

1080
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,639
contracts are up, we have nobody on the bus.

1081
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 3: Get a young guard, bring Chris Paul back. Problem, everybody's happy.

1082
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:57,039
Speaker 1: Well, once Chris Paul becomes coach, I think this team's

1083
01:01:57,079 --> 01:01:58,400
actually really going to turn it around.

1084
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:01,639
Speaker 2: I know what they want.

1085
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 3: Talked of completely stalled out on the l Frank extension, right, Oh.

1086
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 2: We have no idea. Even the initial report was like

1087
01:02:15,039 --> 01:02:17,679
what was that from that? Also felt a little rage. Baby.

1088
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:21,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, they said it was. It wasn't confirmed. They just

1089
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:25,840
said that. Oh no, it was to assume hold on.

1090
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,920
I copied and pasted into one of my breakdowns.

1091
01:02:31,079 --> 01:02:36,039
Speaker 2: It was like the last line was doing some heavy lifting. Uh.

1092
01:02:36,239 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: Sources said he's probably getting one, but nothing is intimate

1093
01:02:39,159 --> 01:02:43,079
in uh, imminent, And the article said assuming so would

1094
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:43,960
be premature.

1095
01:02:45,079 --> 01:02:46,079
Speaker 2: And who is this from?

1096
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:48,719
Speaker 1: That was just from sources? I think the article was

1097
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,440
what from? I think the article was from. It wasn't law,

1098
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:53,800
but I thought it was from.

1099
01:02:53,639 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 2: The source magazine is back? Is that a thing?

1100
01:02:57,039 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: That's where I get all my stuff?

1101
01:02:59,119 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 2: This source awards?

1102
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 1: It was from the Athletic two weeks ago?

1103
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:05,719
Speaker 3: Was that eight weeks ago?

1104
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,679
Speaker 1: It's like in saying, hold on, let me click, let

1105
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:19,440
me get into it. Hold on, guys, got a log

1106
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,119
into the Athletic? Will How can people log into the

1107
01:03:22,159 --> 01:03:24,840
Athletic if they don't know about this? The secret of

1108
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:25,519
the library?

1109
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:30,199
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, just uh if you're in LA Library, uh,

1110
01:03:30,599 --> 01:03:33,199
probably all of California. But if you're an l A

1111
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,280
p L Library card holder, just google L A p

1112
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,440
L and Y and New York Times or NYT and

1113
01:03:39,519 --> 01:03:41,719
you cannot get your free log in.

1114
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,039
Speaker 1: You have if you have a library card, you have

1115
01:03:44,079 --> 01:03:46,559
a subscription to the Athletic. Yeah, and the New York

1116
01:03:48,119 --> 01:03:53,679
libraries are good things. That was from Joe Varden? Was

1117
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,519
what that piece? Who that piece was from?

1118
01:03:55,519 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 2: Adam? Oh oh, oh, my bad, take it to the bank.

1119
01:04:01,079 --> 01:04:04,880
I'm sorry, but I don't know Joe Varden.

1120
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:06,960
Speaker 1: He just said that it would be crazy to us suit.

1121
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,079
He didn't like, he wasn't saying he's not gonna get like.

1122
01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:13,760
People were freaking out about that article because it said

1123
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:14,239
that they were.

1124
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:18,360
Speaker 2: Reporting was fine when you read it in context, Yeah,

1125
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:19,360
reporting is fine.

1126
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I don't think installed though, I don't think the

1127
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,840
extension is stalled unless they lose by thirty to the Lakers,

1128
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:31,639
in which case I think maybe Bomber freaks out. They

1129
01:04:31,639 --> 01:04:34,320
get waxed by the Lakers.

1130
01:04:36,039 --> 01:04:39,280
Speaker 2: They get waxed with cheers from Lakers fans and booze

1131
01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:41,519
from Clippers fans. That's worst case scenario.

1132
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:42,679
Speaker 1: That's worse. That's terrible.

1133
01:04:43,639 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 2: That's def call one. That is the new low point.

1134
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:49,840
That is, something has to change in forty eight hours.

1135
01:04:50,239 --> 01:04:57,199
Speaker 1: Damn. Yeah, if they're yeah, that's not good. Because also

1136
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:00,760
that article from Lass said that it mentioned it Balmer,

1137
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:04,440
like beating the Lakers matters to Balmer, of course it's nice.

1138
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,599
It's a thing that he likes, which usually has happened recently.

1139
01:05:07,679 --> 01:05:11,599
Speaker 2: But you're competing with other teams in LA like you can.

1140
01:05:12,159 --> 01:05:13,000
Of course.

1141
01:05:15,559 --> 01:05:20,599
Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting. But Adam is confident that we

1142
01:05:20,599 --> 01:05:22,440
will split one of these next two games and get

1143
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:23,199
to seven wins.

1144
01:05:23,199 --> 01:05:26,119
Speaker 2: Before I did not say confident. I just said I

1145
01:05:26,159 --> 01:05:32,239
think I'll put like a number on it, confident, most confident,

1146
01:05:32,599 --> 01:05:37,880
one to ten. Shoot, I'll give it a two or three.

1147
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,159
I was confident against Memphis on Monday.

1148
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess I have. I think I don't. I

1149
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:49,159
don't have.

1150
01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:51,119
Speaker 2: That was the last time I was confident.

1151
01:05:52,159 --> 01:05:54,079
Speaker 1: I don't have any confidence left in the team. But

1152
01:05:54,119 --> 01:05:56,280
somehow that makes me think they'll play better, if that

1153
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:56,880
makes sense.

1154
01:06:01,239 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 3: When can we be a team's trap game?

1155
01:06:04,199 --> 01:06:05,320
Speaker 1: When can we be a team?

1156
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:06,159
Speaker 3: Come on?

1157
01:06:08,239 --> 01:06:10,400
Speaker 1: I don't think ever right now?

1158
01:06:10,519 --> 01:06:12,840
Speaker 2: Teams get right game. Apparently, yes we are.

1159
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:18,519
Speaker 1: We are a slumpbuster is what the Clippers is are.

1160
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:27,800
Someone is saying Zach Levine or reed, I'm assuming nas read.

1161
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,599
I don't think they're trading Naz Reid, and I don't

1162
01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:32,880
think Zach Lavine would be good for this team.

1163
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 2: Why do people keep thinking nas Reed's.

1164
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: Available because he's really good and they want.

1165
01:06:38,159 --> 01:06:41,480
Speaker 2: They just signed him. Yeah, they just they just opened

1166
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,800
pocket book to make sure he couldn't go anywhere. He's

1167
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,960
been vital for them. Let's I like him too, so

1168
01:06:48,039 --> 01:06:48,559
do they?

1169
01:06:49,119 --> 01:06:51,440
Speaker 1: Okay, we're winding down, and we should wind out on

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a positive thing. And there is actually a positive.

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Speaker 2: Good luck there is.

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Speaker 1: Jamal Crawford and Blake Griffin are eligible for the Hall

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of Fame. That an That's awesome. That's awesome. That's a positive.

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Speaker 3: That rules.

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Speaker 1: Do we think? I think I liked I think they

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probably both get in. But weirdly enough, I might like

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Jamal's resume more than Blake Griffin.

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Speaker 2: M the basketball Hall of Fame. The bar is pretty

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low when people try to look at because it's baseball

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or football. Yes, it's broader, but they also they don't value,

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at least over the last forty five years longevity as

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much like t Matt got in pretty easily. Weber eventually got.

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Speaker 1: I don't know your playoff stats either, Yeah they know.

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Really it doesn't really matter, like if they did, like

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I love Blake, but if playoff stats really mattered, Blake

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would maybe not get into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're like a triple double almost against San Antonio

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in that series.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm saying that Serio, like there's one.

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Speaker 2: Series playoffs that's that bad.

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Speaker 1: He just never w like and they never went and

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you know what I mean, Like, I'm not I think

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he's gonna be a Hall of Famer. But to your point,

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the Basketball Hall of Fame, because it's not a league

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specific hall of Fame, has easier thresholds.

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Speaker 2: It does.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but what about Blake Griffin's All Star appearances?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? What six? Five?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like Weber had five, you're like very very good. Yeah,

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Blake had six. He's getting in there for.

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Speaker 1: Sure, getting in. I'm not saying he shouldn't be in

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the Hall of Fame.

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01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,520
Speaker 2: You're you're a hard hated don't do this to me.

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You put on your hard hat hat. Jamal's probably more iffy,

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01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,279
but I think he should be like the guys who

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are really integral, six men in him. Lou Jenobili. Did

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Genobally get in.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Geno Bley, he did. That's what David Geno b.

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Speaker 2: I like guys getting in that were maybe really specialists

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in a certain role, but we're so good at it.

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We're the best of the best at that role in

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NBA history. I'm totally good with that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the first three times six Man of the Year

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you're getting in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Genobili has the rings though to obviously push him in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think there's something though like that I like about

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college career for Blake too.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, this is a good Pointsmith Player of the Year.

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Speaker 3: And just being so dominant in your era, like it

1221
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,840
it's you know, like Blake was so dominant in his

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01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:55,039
prime and did was like part of the old Guard,

1223
01:09:55,079 --> 01:09:58,000
but shifted his style. Unfortunately, like didn't stay healthy and

1224
01:09:58,039 --> 01:10:00,279
it wasn't you know, it didn't result in win at

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01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:01,119
the highest level.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know.

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01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 2: I've always been good with guys who obviously were the

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best of the best before they had a major injury

1229
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:17,560
that limited their run. I remember for the NFL, I

1230
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:25,479
was a big advocate well, I mean not what could

1231
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,239
have been? What like if if you know, a guy

1232
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:32,600
has a devastating knee injury and he's never the same,

1233
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,079
but before that, he was an All Star every year.

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01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,239
To me, that obviously it was the injury. It wasn't

1235
01:10:40,279 --> 01:10:43,119
just he got worse for his skills diminished. I was

1236
01:10:43,159 --> 01:10:46,479
big on Terrell Davis for years and he finally got in,

1237
01:10:47,079 --> 01:10:49,439
and it took him a while in the NFL, but

1238
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,359
you look at his five or six peak years. You

1239
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:53,800
were for two thousand yards.

1240
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Speaker 1: I mean, because I was thinking about kind of along

1241
01:10:57,199 --> 01:11:00,600
these lines with the way that injuries have started, right

1242
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:05,000
like how it's Blake is part of that first generation

1243
01:11:05,079 --> 01:11:07,039
of guys to me, where it was like the human

1244
01:11:07,079 --> 01:11:09,199
body is starting to be too strong for what the

1245
01:11:09,239 --> 01:11:13,600
ligaments can really do. It's not Blake's fault, right like that.

1246
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,439
That's like it's just you can't make your tendon stronger.

1247
01:11:16,479 --> 01:11:19,000
It's just like that's how it goes. So I think that,

1248
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and they like narrative, so I think him coming to

1249
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:27,359
the Clippers helping change the whole culture. He has a

1250
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,199
Nasmith Award, he was very good. Obviously he gets in,

1251
01:11:30,239 --> 01:11:34,479
but like it is, it's just it's different in different eras,

1252
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,720
Like you're saying, like I just yeah, someone saying Jamal

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01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:40,039
should not get in. But I think Jamal gets in

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01:11:40,079 --> 01:11:42,399
because if it is a basketball Hall of Fame, you

1255
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:44,840
have three times six pan of the year. You have

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01:11:45,319 --> 01:11:48,159
a guy who runs a pro am that is, he

1257
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:51,520
is the messiah of Seattle basketball.

1258
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Speaker 2: He's a great advocate, he's an an announcer. Now, the

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Basketball Hall of Fame is by far the lowest bar,

1260
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:07,880
and I think Blake Spreare is very It is.

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Speaker 1: Because because it's yeah, because I guess baseball, I mean.

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01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 3: Really, gamble one time?

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01:12:17,279 --> 01:12:20,560
Speaker 1: Get in there. Yeah, this is yeah. Go to Patreon

1264
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,720
for Will's pro Pete Rose takes no.

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01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:29,279
Speaker 2: Like, I don't think Buster Posey is getting in or

1266
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,399
maybe like that's in. That's an Iffy won for the

1267
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:35,399
Hull Buster Posey and he was a three time champion,

1268
01:12:35,439 --> 01:12:37,479
but he doesn't have the longevity because baseball is so

1269
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much about counting.

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Speaker 1: Of the year.

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Speaker 2: Though, oh I know, yeah, he might get in. I

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01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,600
think he should get in, But the fact that we

1273
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,640
have to say he might get in winning an m

1274
01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:52,479
VP and three championships that would not happen in the NBA.

1275
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,760
Lake's career is pretty similar in a lot of ways

1276
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,239
and maybe in some ways better than T Max. And

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T Max got in.

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Speaker 1: Pretty I said the Buster Posy and I was like,

1279
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I don't know about.

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01:13:05,159 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 3: You lost me?

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01:13:06,079 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he lost me.

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01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 2: There.

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01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: Yeah. The TMC thing well, and that goes back to

1284
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,960
like the narrative thing is that t MAC was also

1285
01:13:13,159 --> 01:13:15,239
the endless guy in the league.

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01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:18,159
Speaker 3: He was so dominant in his era. No, it didn't

1287
01:13:18,199 --> 01:13:21,760
result in like winning at the highest level, but it was.

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01:13:21,680 --> 01:13:22,560
Speaker 1: The face of the league.

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01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you were a fan of basketball during that time,

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like he was on a.

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01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: Verb it's what you do poster, that's the highest thing

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you could have gotten in the early thousands.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's one of like the Yeah, he's one of

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the biggest.

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01:13:36,239 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: Players and an iconic shoe. Yes, uh yeah. So, I

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mean I think they both get it. It's just nice

1297
01:13:43,680 --> 01:13:46,960
to it's cool that they're going to go in. So

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Blake goes in as a Clipper, Jamal goes in as

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a Clipper. Yes, balloons are an accident.

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01:13:57,960 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 2: He won two six men with the Clippers. Yeah, if

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you won two of them, then he's got he's got

1302
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:11,439
it as a Clipper and he didn't. What are you

1303
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,760
gonna talk about New York or Atlanta? What are the

1304
01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:15,399
competing teams?

1305
01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:20,600
Speaker 1: Probably someone's asking is DROs Hall of Famer in Adam's world, DROs.

1306
01:14:22,840 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 2: Not my world? The NBA Hall of Fame, The bar

1307
01:14:25,960 --> 01:14:32,640
is very low and would he obviously if he didn't

1308
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:37,680
have the knee injury. To me, he'd easily be like

1309
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,159
if it's an if it's an outlier type of injury

1310
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:46,560
like that. To me, I'm I would put guys in

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01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:49,399
that were at the peak, at the top of the

1312
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:53,359
league before those obvious injuries that cut them down their prime.

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01:14:55,520 --> 01:15:00,039
But he has even less longevity than t mac So

1314
01:15:00,079 --> 01:15:02,840
that's going to be an interesting one. But the teammate

1315
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:06,479
didn't have an MVP, and d Rose was the number

1316
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:09,039
one option on a team that made the Eastern Conference Finals.

1317
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:12,840
I think there's a decent chance. But his longevity is

1318
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,600
even lower than tax right, all right?

1319
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,319
Speaker 1: Is that our one positive thing to get out of here?

1320
01:15:17,359 --> 01:15:20,359
On that Jamal and Blake are gonna go in his clippers.

1321
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:23,239
Speaker 2: I'm signing off on that.

1322
01:15:23,359 --> 01:15:26,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, finally get some banners in those damn rafters.

1323
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:33,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have two people in the Hall of Fame. Banner. Well,

1324
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,640
where can we're gonna put this audio? Where can people

1325
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:36,840
review this if they want to?

1326
01:15:37,199 --> 01:15:37,439
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1327
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,880
Speaker 3: So you can review us over on Apple Podcasts or Spotify.

1328
01:15:41,359 --> 01:15:43,039
You can, of course comment on any of our videos.

1329
01:15:43,119 --> 01:15:45,239
We're over at YouTube dot com as a Clippers podcast

1330
01:15:45,279 --> 01:15:47,359
where hey, you could have caught us live. I could

1331
01:15:47,359 --> 01:15:49,720
have caught me shown up right on time and you

1332
01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:50,199
were early.

1333
01:15:50,279 --> 01:15:51,760
Speaker 1: What do you mean right on time? You were early?

1334
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,199
Speaker 3: I was early. Uh yeah, that's the best thing.

1335
01:15:54,359 --> 01:15:54,960
Speaker 2: Chuck was late.

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01:15:55,239 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 3: But however, however, you listen, you watch, you know, we

1337
01:15:58,520 --> 01:15:59,439
appreciate you.

1338
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 1: We really thank you for hanging out. We're not sure

1339
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:03,640
if it's gonna get better, but we will do our

1340
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,000
best to make it a better season for you. So

1341
01:16:06,039 --> 01:16:07,399
thanks for hanging out in the stream, and if you

1342
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:10,520
missed us, find us on YouTube. Let's hope we beat

1343
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:14,000
the Lakers tomorrow. Let's hope we don't get beat so

1344
01:16:14,159 --> 01:16:16,520
bad that major changes happen. I don't know, or maybe

1345
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:20,199
they need to happen. We'll see y'all next week. At

1346
01:16:20,199 --> 01:16:22,760
some point. There is a holiday in between there, so

1347
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:25,000
we'll figure that out. Thank you for hanging out, and

1348
01:16:25,079 --> 01:16:26,600
as always, let's go clips.