Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Alien Retrospective.
Speaker 1: I'm the clown Prince of Creation dressed now I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I am the pup Kirkling Patzer.
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Doylan Muss Neomorph Taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are back. We are reviewing
Speaker 1: every single alien film in honor of Alien Ramas. We
Speaker 1: also got two special episodes well where there'll be an
Speaker 1: Alien Isolation side quest with Dylan Taylor, and then we're
Speaker 1: also going to review some alien comics when they fight
Speaker 1: the the Avengers and then the Predators fighting Black Panther
Speaker 1: or something something like that. You know, but yeah, lots
Speaker 1: of stuff leading up to that in August. So go
Speaker 1: back in the feeds. A bunch of them are there,
Speaker 1: you can go. I guess at this point. I don't
Speaker 1: know about the other ones, but at this point there's
Speaker 1: probably a maybe.
Speaker 4: A Covenant there early.
Speaker 1: But we're getting here the end of this, so I
Speaker 1: was just thinking about that right now. It's like usually
Speaker 1: like oh, we got this, it's like no, I guess, really,
Speaker 1: there's not too many. We're reviewing them in a weird order,
Speaker 1: but the time people are listening to this in the public,
Speaker 1: there's just Covenant and Isolation the combook one left, so yeah,
Speaker 1: we're getting near the end.
Speaker 3: We also do have an original review of Covenant out
Speaker 3: there if people want to listen.
Speaker 1: We do. Yes, you can go back and probably no, no, no,
Speaker 1: back in the basement days. But yeah, we will be
Speaker 1: re recording it because uh, Kirkland has ever seen it
Speaker 1: and we want to revisit. It's been older than five years,
Speaker 1: but today we were revisiting or seeing I don't know,
Speaker 1: why don't we get everyone's story Prometheus? This is the
Speaker 1: uh it is now? Yeah, Okay, it's a prettyquel to Alien,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm gonna go first because that's why
Speaker 1: I want to start with my thoughts here. Back in
Speaker 1: the day when I saw this, the hubbub and hype
Speaker 1: about this was just that Ridley Scott was making a
Speaker 1: sci fi movie and everyone was like, is this connected
Speaker 1: to Alien or not? They were not. They kind of
Speaker 1: hid that close to their vest until after the fact
Speaker 1: and it came out. I think we all kind of
Speaker 1: figured out that it was, but they weren't being upfront
Speaker 1: about it. And that's why the only real alien thing
Speaker 1: is at the very last two minutes, right, So that's
Speaker 1: something that I remember this movie being very mysterious and
Speaker 1: people putting a lot of piece together trying to figure out.
Speaker 1: I remember the press always being hey, is this an
Speaker 1: alien prequel? Is there an alien in this? And Scott
Speaker 1: like dodging. I can't even remember right time release. If
Speaker 1: he finally said, yeah, there's something in there, I'd have
Speaker 1: to go back and find But I remember the build
Speaker 1: up to this movie because it was Scott. I don't
Speaker 1: know what he had done before this's off to look
Speaker 1: after all you guys were talking about. But I think
Speaker 1: he was kind of a nothing's putting on anything, But
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anything great. And Scott does that, right,
Speaker 1: he'll do something like this, and then a couple years
Speaker 1: later he has some melons. Then he'll put out like
Speaker 1: the Martian, like he does these things where every once
Speaker 1: in a while he'll go put it you know, hopefully
Speaker 1: that happens with Glady or two or just when you
Speaker 1: start to doubt, really Scott, he goes and puts out
Speaker 1: this juicy bang. You're like, okay, no, he's still he
Speaker 1: still got everything he has there. So I remember the
Speaker 1: lead up to this quite a bit. I saw it
Speaker 1: was his previous movie definitely a bummer. So that's where
Speaker 1: it was like, does he still have it? You know?
Speaker 2: Not on the up and up now though, So glad
Speaker 2: you here? Two has to be good, you know, well,
Speaker 2: what is.
Speaker 1: It that's your objectory? Yeah? Because Dan does it go?
Speaker 1: Does it go? Prometheus? The Martian? Or is the Martian
Speaker 1: after Covenant?
Speaker 3: My god, this guy's worked on a lot of movies.
Speaker 1: He has worked in a lot of movies.
Speaker 3: Prometheus, you want to go before or after?
Speaker 1: No? After Prometheus? Yes, so he does? Oh that's down?
Speaker 3: And then the Martian?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Counselor One of my most disappoint movies all time.
Speaker 1: Cameron Diaz, Penelope Cruise, Michael Fastpender, Brad Pittjavier Bardem Crime Thriller,
Speaker 1: one of those boring fucking movies you'll see in your life.
Speaker 1: The best thing about it is Cameron Diaz legitally has
Speaker 1: sex with a car. And it's a really great scene
Speaker 1: because Sabi Bardham is watching this and his it's like
Speaker 1: a comedy scene. His facials are to die for. I
Speaker 1: have heard scuttle but that the director's cut is actually better,
Speaker 1: and Redley Scott is like a big like zach Snyry
Speaker 1: has a lot ofctor cuts out there, even talk about
Speaker 1: doing one for this, So this was more on the
Speaker 1: same thing. Okay, can you return back to form because
Speaker 1: you do a hit, And for me it was a
Speaker 1: hit back then, and it's something that I think as
Speaker 1: I've grown older, I like more and more and I
Speaker 1: can definitely say I love this movie. It ain't a
Speaker 1: perfect score. The third act is really messy. Things fall apart,
Speaker 1: I think really fast, and the pacing is very odd
Speaker 1: where I think act one, Act two or pace is
Speaker 1: exact same movie that Act two or act three. Someone
Speaker 1: just like Shaw gets like adrenaline shot and then it's
Speaker 1: like and there's things left open and not in like
Speaker 1: an osequel things where it's just like I was really
Speaker 1: interested in this concept or this story and it ends
Speaker 1: abruptly or it's not a satisfying conclusion. So it's no
Speaker 1: way a perfect film. It's no way that it's a
Speaker 1: ten to ten movie. But for me, it's the look
Speaker 1: of this movie. It's like the Alien movie where this
Speaker 1: offse is way more update and the visual effects are
Speaker 1: way superior as far as the things they could do.
Speaker 1: But I like that because in the Census is before that, right,
Speaker 1: And it feels what I like about and I don't
Speaker 1: like about The Stars prequel, where it looks new but
Speaker 1: almost too new. This is like a good balance of
Speaker 1: it looks like there's stuff where it hasn't gone through
Speaker 1: a certain era, but it's not the you can see
Speaker 1: it's like on the way to the Alien World, like
Speaker 1: the Alien movie, not the Alien World like with Ripley
Speaker 1: the seventies version. Right. I love the score. This is
Speaker 1: a trivia fact that I've should say. But what I
Speaker 1: loved but I learned today was they wrote the score,
Speaker 1: they had everyone play it backwards, and then when they
Speaker 1: put in the film, they reversed it to make it
Speaker 1: go forward because they yeah, they wanted like it to
Speaker 1: sound very odd and weird. So that's why it technically
Speaker 1: is played the way it was written, but they played
Speaker 1: it backwards. So that's why the score in this movie
Speaker 1: I absolutely love. It has like this etheral just kind
Speaker 1: of heavenly at times type of score. And that's where
Speaker 1: as I've gotten older, I've appreciated war because I think
Speaker 1: when I saw this one, this is twenty this well
Speaker 1: it's twenty twelve, right, so it's like four twelve years ago.
Speaker 1: I don't think I was in the headspace to think
Speaker 1: about creation and that aspect of what David talks about
Speaker 1: with God and why would someone create this and want
Speaker 1: to know your creators? To me, it was just I
Speaker 1: think honestly, at the first time, I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is an alien movie, and that's all I was
Speaker 1: curious about. And then I appreciate way more and more
Speaker 1: every time I watch it Visually. I love it, score,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love a lot of cinematography. I
Speaker 1: love a lot of the ebbs and flows because it's
Speaker 1: a slowly paced movie, very some of the first Alien movie.
Speaker 1: But Act one, Act two I really like. And then
Speaker 1: there's just an all star performance by Fastbender. He is
Speaker 1: just like on a different level here. It's something that
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think, but David is legitimately i'd have to
Speaker 1: make like a villain's list, but I think he's in
Speaker 1: that top twenty five. He's such an interesting character. He's
Speaker 1: he's the most interesting Android, and honestly, I'd say the
Speaker 1: most interesting character in the whole Alien franchise. When you
Speaker 1: put even some stuff in Covenant, when you take what
Speaker 1: this android, how he processes things and just the way
Speaker 1: he goes about it. Yeah, really really, Like I said,
Speaker 1: the third act, we'll get into there's some issues, and
Speaker 1: I like sack cast. You know Naiomai pays Charlie. They're
Speaker 1: on Charlie's there on Iris Elba, Sean Harris who ends
Speaker 1: up becoming like a big part of Mission Impossible. You
Speaker 1: got Katie Dicker, who is like a big part of
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones. I think I'm missing somebody. Piers yea
Speaker 1: and one was in there.
Speaker 5: He's address Elbow's co pilot.
Speaker 2: You got with the bet?
Speaker 3: Did you not recognize.
Speaker 1: No offense? Captain?
Speaker 5: But you're a ship pilot?
Speaker 1: Is he in his Okay?
Speaker 3: He's like he's very doubted that wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeahs are cracked. That's not that's not worth.
Speaker 3: That's Travis's strong suit is picking out actors.
Speaker 1: In the private chat, he looked very young, so that's
Speaker 1: I did not I did not think that was him
Speaker 1: at all. So there you go. But no, I, despite
Speaker 1: some flaws in here, love this movie. Love's great memorable moments.
Speaker 1: That's great character moments, and I'm excited to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And in many times I don't like prequels. It's for
Speaker 1: some reason which we'll get into me he just talked
Speaker 1: about with AVP. I somehow don't have an issue with like,
Speaker 1: if this is the origin of the Xenomorph, I feel
Speaker 1: like I should be like this is a Travis got, like,
Speaker 1: oh fuck, I don't need to know. But I don't
Speaker 1: really mind it. Per se the Engineer space Jockey stuff,
Speaker 1: there's some big like wow, that's some big leaps they
Speaker 1: took there. But the actual Xenomorph I really don't mind,
Speaker 1: especially in like it's sexual nature with this creature is
Speaker 1: in the other movies, right, So yeah, that's my thoughts.
Speaker 2: I want's to take it to me thoughts. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go next. I it's funny I saw this in theaters
Speaker 2: with the buddy of mine, shouts out to Carson. I
Speaker 2: had absolutely no idea that this was related to Alien
Speaker 2: at all. I mean, I like that you laid out
Speaker 2: that they try to hide it. I also just probably
Speaker 2: wasn't paying attention to like film stuff, and like, I
Speaker 2: like I might have seen Alien at this point, maybe,
Speaker 2: like I just wasn't really like engulfed in the universe.
Speaker 2: I didn't probably didn't even know who Realley Scott was.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like I just went into it as
Speaker 2: blind as a bat. I remember the trail, like the
Speaker 2: they went hard on the trailers, like it really looked
Speaker 2: interesting of just the sci fi experience, similar to like
Speaker 2: an interstellar type thing that we're just going beyond the stars,
Speaker 2: just somewhere else to find life. And that was intriguing
Speaker 2: enough for me. It's like the first time around, I
Speaker 2: probably knew like Charlie's s Thearren and like that was
Speaker 2: it for like the famous actors. So like now watching it,
Speaker 2: it's just such a stacked cast, like it's it's actually
Speaker 2: it blew my mind with how many people are like
Speaker 2: side characters in this. It's like, holy fuck, Like all
Speaker 2: of these are basically A listers. This is really impressive.
Speaker 3: They probably five people from the MCU and here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm curious if some of that was just
Speaker 2: they want, like some people really to take like pay
Speaker 2: cuts just to work with Ridley Scott. How like we
Speaker 2: hear those stories of just uh was it Nolan that
Speaker 2: did that with.
Speaker 1: I don't think so though, other than at least who
Speaker 1: was a big star in twenty twelve. Here right, like
Speaker 1: we look at it now, stack cast, but like now
Speaker 1: we're a piss just had the girls draining tattoo. Fastpender
Speaker 1: was just coming.
Speaker 6: Off No, no, no interesting me no, because I I
Speaker 6: was just like, in hindsight, I just I take this,
Speaker 6: this is same that they that they have now to
Speaker 6: looking back.
Speaker 2: So like even Idris.
Speaker 1: Elba, like, I feel like Luther's what got him really popular,
Speaker 1: and I don't know when that started, but I feel
Speaker 1: any fast Beender, he I think he was just yeah,
Speaker 1: Luther was twenty ten, so it was just like a
Speaker 1: year or two before, so it wasn't that big. And
Speaker 1: even when his first class shouts.
Speaker 2: Out as a casting director then because that's that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: Same thing first class as a year before. So I
Speaker 1: feel like they probably got a lot of people like
Speaker 1: right before they blew up like that. Apparently the only
Speaker 1: one though that did was I don't know when he
Speaker 1: was because because X men, Fastbender, I guess did have
Speaker 1: a high price, because what happened was the studio didn't
Speaker 1: want pay for him. And this is another part of
Speaker 1: my trivia, but Scott was like, I don't want anyone
Speaker 1: but Fastpender, so we pay for him. But I guess
Speaker 1: he was second vill cool.
Speaker 5: Did you mention guy Pierce?
Speaker 1: Did you say that there, right, Yeah, but he would
Speaker 1: have been had he would have had smaller rate because
Speaker 1: he's not. He's in here for a day or two, right.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah Moldy Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 2: Going into this completely blind, I feel like this was
Speaker 2: like the best way to experience this story too, because
Speaker 2: I I mean, obviously I've seen probably a VP up
Speaker 2: until this point at least twenty times, so I knew
Speaker 2: the zeno more. Well, this is twenty twelve, right, so
Speaker 2: I was like maybe more watched it, but like so
Speaker 2: at the end with like the reveal that was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this is in the alien universe, like
Speaker 2: like that actually blew my mind, like in the theater.
Speaker 2: So it was really hype. This was a fantastic first viewing.
Speaker 2: I feel like when we get into some of the
Speaker 2: engineer stuff, it just went completely over my head. This
Speaker 2: is actually my only second time seeing this movie since
Speaker 2: that time, so and again now that we've gone through
Speaker 2: the retro to like just to have that supplemented kind
Speaker 2: of knowledge of the universe going into it. You know,
Speaker 2: the lore from AVP, the crucial lore from that movie
Speaker 2: thring Ino here No I'm kidding, uh so like that stuff,
Speaker 2: it really made that first viewing special and watch it now.
Speaker 2: I I I think this is a fantastic movie. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna say I love this movie. I I the
Speaker 2: first act though, like it's a tenant of ten. It's
Speaker 2: a tenant of ten. First act. It's like just vible.
Speaker 2: It's yeah, it's like doing level of like world building
Speaker 2: and just going on this like grandiose adventure of like
Speaker 2: across the stars, and just when everyone's coming out of
Speaker 2: their hyper sleep, we have David just doing his thing
Speaker 2: like on the ship like man, I I've eaten that
Speaker 2: stuff up and I want this game. Like yeah, like
Speaker 2: like it's it's so fantastic. When they get to the planet,
Speaker 2: just all the design of everything, all of the attention
Speaker 2: to detail, with every little gadget, with the pups as
Speaker 2: my name signifying, or when when you have I dress
Speaker 2: on the ship and then and the pups are mapping
Speaker 2: it out and they're just looking at this like three
Speaker 2: dimensional rendering that's real time. And then he like comes
Speaker 2: back to it in the middle of the night and
Speaker 2: the pups are just still like just like scaling this place.
Speaker 2: So like all of those little things is just I
Speaker 2: love the world building of this Adventure. I have quite
Speaker 2: a few issues with the third act, and I think
Speaker 2: that's what really brings this movie down for me, which
Speaker 2: is quite unfortunate. But yeah, like I still think the
Speaker 2: thriller aspect and the suspense like really was able to
Speaker 2: really I think tap similar veins that the first movie
Speaker 2: had in that level of suspense, which is crazy because
Speaker 2: that is like a very claustrophobic type movie. I guess
Speaker 2: there's areas of this movie that have that effect, but
Speaker 2: for the most part, like it's a lot more larger
Speaker 2: scale than what the first one is. But I feel
Speaker 2: like there's certain moments that happen really quickly, and it
Speaker 2: just like ramps up to the intensity scale, like when
Speaker 2: Buddy gets the thing on his arm and it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's a cute little arm. It just like within forty seconds,
Speaker 2: like it's just like escalates to these guys just get
Speaker 2: apps incapacitated. And I remember like seeing that in the
Speaker 2: theater and just like shocked because you're just you're not
Speaker 2: expecting it. It's like, Okay, it's a creepy alien thing.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, like I said, like forty seconds later,
Speaker 2: they're both just off and like the music ramps up
Speaker 2: in those moments. Good shout out Travis with the score.
Speaker 2: I obviously didn't know all the details of that, but yeah,
Speaker 2: the score definitely stand out.
Speaker 1: Well, like fucking halloway Man that is talking about a
Speaker 1: zero to one hunder situation of he's kind of cough
Speaker 1: to Charlie's fucking burned him on the ramp like I
Speaker 1: knew him. I didn't even imagine if you were Shaw
Speaker 1: like processing that day in your mind, like it's yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think you're ready. It's like it's more like it's
Speaker 1: like quick fires. It's like a quick jab death instead
Speaker 1: of like long drawn out and some of those men
Speaker 1: I just think about just yeah, the arm one just so.
Speaker 2: That's like the most brutal one for me. But yeah,
Speaker 2: this movie, I think what they do well, they do
Speaker 2: like perfect like ten ten, Like it's just it's just
Speaker 2: beautifully uh executed. But yeah, I mean I'm excited to
Speaker 2: kind of break down some of the stuff that happens
Speaker 2: with the engineers and the third act because, like you know,
Speaker 2: just in hindsight, like thinking about this movie, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't really remember all the details of that, but
Speaker 2: I'm excited to really pay attention to it now on
Speaker 2: this viewing, and then I pay attention and I'm like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: they just it's just I don't know, it's just okay,
Speaker 2: doomsday device. It's kind of what I remember, but less
Speaker 2: detail than I was hoping to get maybe on this
Speaker 2: next viewing. But yeah, fantastic movie. And I'm really excited
Speaker 2: now to see Alien Covenant because I still haven't seen
Speaker 2: that movie. So that's gonna be really fun.
Speaker 3: Very nice. Uh, I'll jump in here next. So I
Speaker 3: definitely don't think I saw this in theaters, but I
Speaker 3: think I saw it pretty close to when it came out.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I don't know what would have led me in the
Speaker 3: year twenty twelve, back when I was still in high school.
Speaker 1: I don't really would have.
Speaker 3: I feel like, I guess probably watching the Arrested development,
Speaker 3: but I wouldn't have been like, oh, her funny role
Speaker 3: in Rested Vilma, I gotta go see what she's doing
Speaker 3: in this in this sci fi epic. But whatever, it was,
Speaker 3: something drew me to this movie. Maybe it was a friend,
Speaker 3: maybe it was Briggs. Honestly, it might have been might
Speaker 3: have been Briggs. I feel like I watched it a
Speaker 3: couple of times and then watching watched it again prior
Speaker 3: to Covenant for sure, and yeah, I feel like of
Speaker 3: all these ones that we've gone through, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I've seen all these alien movies before except for AVP
Speaker 3: and man, I just I remembered very little about them,
Speaker 3: Like coming to this retro felt very fresh, like it
Speaker 3: was almost first time viewings for a lot of them.
Speaker 3: But Prometheus, I'm like, man, I remember all of this,
Speaker 3: Like this is very sounds very strong in my brain,
Speaker 3: even though I like, if you asked me a week ago,
Speaker 3: it'd have been like, oh, I can't tell you a
Speaker 3: lot of details, But seeing it again, I'm like, it's
Speaker 3: all rushing back to me now. And yeah, I think
Speaker 3: what you guys said, like just visually, like the epicness,
Speaker 3: the scale of this movie, the world building. I hadn't
Speaker 3: thought of it that way, but like the world building
Speaker 3: of it, even if a lot of it is pretty simple,
Speaker 3: I mean, it gets pretty zany at some points. Zany
Speaker 3: is maybe the wrong word, but it just gets it
Speaker 3: gets grander at some points. But man, I just I
Speaker 3: just think this is such a great vibe, but such
Speaker 3: a great place to be and hang out and spend
Speaker 3: two hours just watching this movie. So I had a
Speaker 3: really really good time rewatching it here. I think partly
Speaker 3: in my brain, I've almost soured on this a bit
Speaker 3: because I really didn't like Covenant, and at this point
Speaker 3: I couldn't even really tell you what I don't like
Speaker 3: about Covenant anymore. It's been so long I forget. I'm
Speaker 3: excited for that rewatch, But I know one thing I
Speaker 3: did not like was the use of Fastbender, So I
Speaker 3: feel like because of that, I almost forgot that he
Speaker 3: was in this and how fucking good he is. He
Speaker 3: is amazing at playing an android, which we know, we've
Speaker 3: seen people have their different spin on it. But I
Speaker 3: think there's something about just his posture, even like his body,
Speaker 3: like he's so much just a slender guy that it
Speaker 3: comes a call like you've see him from certain angles,
Speaker 3: like from the side, and he's so freaking slim. It's
Speaker 3: like unsettling in a way. It's like, how is this
Speaker 3: a man? But it's like, oh, he's not a man
Speaker 3: in this movie. It just makes you feel weird in
Speaker 3: the best way possible. And some of the dialogue around
Speaker 3: his character is great, and I think just across the board,
Speaker 3: Like going back through all his alien movies, one of
Speaker 3: the I guess prevailing things for me. He's like, man,
Speaker 3: I really don't care for the cast of characters in
Speaker 3: these movies. Generally there's like maybe two maybe three characters
Speaker 3: that I'm invested in or I find interesting to some extent.
Speaker 3: But in this one, I think they do such a
Speaker 3: good job of like all these characters have different motivations.
Speaker 3: You have people who are just there for a job,
Speaker 3: whether it's the captain who doesn't care about any of
Speaker 3: the science stuff. He's just there, he's just the transporter.
Speaker 3: We have the scientists, people who are there for different
Speaker 3: but then there's just like even factions within the scientists
Speaker 3: of some of them care more about other things. And
Speaker 3: then you have David and his motivations. And then Vickers
Speaker 3: is the name of Charlie's thrown like her motivations as well,
Speaker 3: really really fun different dynamics that are just seeing the
Speaker 3: push and pull of what everyone wants out of this
Speaker 3: mission is just really compelling stuff. I think I've less
Speaker 3: problems with the third act than you guys do, so
Speaker 3: I'm curious to hear where those issues are. I can
Speaker 3: definitely see where some of them come from. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I think this movie is just fantastic. And I think
Speaker 3: maybe my last point here at the opening is just
Speaker 3: there's so many ways that this movie kind of calls
Speaker 3: back to things we've seen in Alien before, but I
Speaker 3: think they do it in a very playful way where
Speaker 3: it's like just a slight variation or something different, or
Speaker 3: maybe it's just that modern lens with modern technology, whatever
Speaker 3: it is, but it makes everything feel fresh, even if
Speaker 3: a lot of it is things we've seen them before,
Speaker 3: going into a mysterious base, finding the a catchlings, having
Speaker 3: the face hard, it's things we've seen before. But because
Speaker 3: of what you guys mentioned, like with the arm, like
Speaker 3: they just they switch it up in a way that
Speaker 3: makes it still intense all these years later. And part
Speaker 3: of that is because it can look a lot better,
Speaker 3: not like because the CGI is here, but the CIG
Speaker 3: is actually good, you know, for once in the Alien
Speaker 3: movies at least with AVP, you know, better and better
Speaker 3: as we as we said, But yeah, really just land
Speaker 3: it sticks to landing here. So yeah, I'm really excited
Speaker 3: to break down some of the more details with this one.
Speaker 3: This is a really really fun rewatch and it's funny
Speaker 3: like the d this, I'm like, man, I have so
Speaker 3: many questions and I know a lot of them are answered,
Speaker 3: and Covenant, I just can't remember what those answers are.
Speaker 3: So I'm I'm excited to see Covenant again, which is
Speaker 3: which is a good thought and hope I am less
Speaker 3: disappointed now that I'm way more in the headspace for
Speaker 3: Alien now than I think I like Before Covenant, I
Speaker 3: probably watched Prometheus and that was it. I don't know
Speaker 3: if I did the full rewatch of everything right, So yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm excited for that one.
Speaker 1: Mister Field.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember going to the theater with my friends
Speaker 5: and watching this and just being blown away at just
Speaker 5: visually this movie is fantastic. Oh my goodness, and you
Speaker 5: are getting some stellar performances in here.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: I went in knowing that this was part of the
Speaker 5: Alien universe. I did not expect it to be so
Speaker 5: heavily focused on the engineers, and so when we get
Speaker 5: like the intro and just what humanity is up to,
Speaker 5: I was just blown away. I thought it was fantastic.
Speaker 5: I really liked it, but I personally wanted more of
Speaker 5: the classic Zinos in this movie. That's something that I
Speaker 5: kind of had in the back of my mind, and
Speaker 5: I felt at the same time conflicted because I wanted
Speaker 5: to get more information on this new story that they
Speaker 5: were kind of exploring, and I felt like it was
Speaker 5: just so open ended. That was it. And this was
Speaker 5: a time when I didn't feel confident that we were
Speaker 5: going to be getting a sequel to this Necessarily. I
Speaker 5: wasn't perusing the forums, like like on Twitter, like we
Speaker 5: really Scott, you know.
Speaker 1: I was a tweet it Ridley, Yeah, where's that fourth
Speaker 1: Alien movie?
Speaker 5: Yeah. So that being said, though, I think this movie
Speaker 5: has a lot of strong points, and I like a
Speaker 5: lot of the characters and some of the just the cringey,
Speaker 5: gross stuff. Oh my god. Oh it's just I remember
Speaker 5: just squinting in the theater with my friends when we
Speaker 5: were watching some of these some of these scenes because
Speaker 5: they're just brutal, brutal, brutal, But it's just such a
Speaker 5: cool area to explore. It's It's not a movie that
Speaker 5: I'm always necessarily running back to to rewatch. I have
Speaker 5: other ones in the Alien franchise that I will turn
Speaker 5: to first before this one, but it's been a good
Speaker 5: minute since I watched this one.
Speaker 2: Prior.
Speaker 5: So yeah, like I think it's at its core, a
Speaker 5: part of me feels like it's just the movie that
Speaker 5: really Scott did. It's like in lieu of the First Alien,
Speaker 5: I feel like it's it's I don't want to say similar,
Speaker 5: but I.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know why really Scott really wanted to go
Speaker 5: about it with this film when I feel like there
Speaker 5: was more he could have told with alien being, like
Speaker 5: that's you know, that was his his baby, right, that
Speaker 5: was his creation. So I get you want to expand
Speaker 5: on the engineers, but I don't know why you would
Speaker 5: necessarily go and have Okay, well, the engineers. And this
Speaker 5: is the biggest question I have of all, you have
Speaker 5: the engineers that have the alien xenomorph eggs, and then
Speaker 5: you have the humans being and this is more or
Speaker 5: less explained I guess an alien covenant, but it seems
Speaker 5: like humans have a big hand at least David has
Speaker 5: a big hand with the creation of the neo morph
Speaker 5: is what it's called, as we see in this movie.
Speaker 5: And so that's what kind of confuses me because I
Speaker 5: thought that this, you know, we're more or less their
Speaker 5: own kind of thing. But again, that's up to interpretation
Speaker 5: when you watch the first Dalilen movie, and so when
Speaker 5: you get to hear they create this whole new setup
Speaker 5: that Okay, the engineers are creating a lot of bioweapons
Speaker 5: and different things like that. What's it called. I think
Speaker 5: there was the pathogen, That's what it's called. So they're
Speaker 5: creating these pathogens and it's just fucking up organics. And
Speaker 5: so that's a neat concept. But I still feel like
Speaker 5: it kind of clashes with that first Alien story at times,
Speaker 5: just in terms of like how the creation is and
Speaker 5: where David fits into that story. And maybe I just
Speaker 5: overthink it. I should just take it for what it is.
Speaker 1: Because how does like David helping create an alien clash
Speaker 1: with like that alien ending up on a ship and
Speaker 1: just wrecking havoc. That's where I guess I'm confused.
Speaker 5: Well, because I don't understand, like we already know that
Speaker 5: there's not many of these things supposedly left, And maybe
Speaker 5: it's it'll be an easier thing to talk about after
Speaker 5: we do Alien Covenant we kind of get that refresher
Speaker 5: from it. Uh. I just feel like this is still
Speaker 5: two hundred years before the first alien. So David created
Speaker 5: the face hugger egg after doing a bunch of experimentation,
Speaker 5: and then that goes off to being with the engineers.
Speaker 5: The engineers take them and start dropping eggs and creating eggs,
Speaker 5: putting eggs on ships everywhere, and like that. We know
Speaker 5: in the first Alien movie that engineer ship was designed
Speaker 5: to carry those eggs in there because there was like
Speaker 5: a the guy's talking about how there's a layer here,
Speaker 5: it's keeping them in like a stasis, and he's going
Speaker 5: into detail about it all. So yeah, obviously one day,
Speaker 5: I don't know, it's just seems.
Speaker 1: That's a sho way to Covenant, because Covenant they do
Speaker 1: answer all that stuff. They answer how they really. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they like because when you're like, oh, there's so few
Speaker 1: of them, Covenant gives you the full answer of like
Speaker 1: why these all these aliens would still be around all
Speaker 1: these years later.
Speaker 3: I do remember a couple of those scenes.
Speaker 1: I don't I just watched it today as well. I
Speaker 1: was just watching them all. So yeah, they full on
Speaker 1: answer like how would this happen? Well, that's how what happens.
Speaker 1: So that's why, like this Alien is like just supposed
Speaker 1: to be the you know, the the volume one. It's
Speaker 1: supposed to be like what starts it? You know, if
Speaker 1: there's a there's no other one. But it's like that,
Speaker 1: it's an Adam and Eve, it's a you know the
Speaker 1: first person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, super Cliffhangery in this movie, of course.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they don't ever touch upon that again, right like,
Speaker 5: So that's that's unfortunately, have loved scenes the Neomorph coming
Speaker 5: out of the engineer that's never touched upon.
Speaker 1: I guess no, I guess it's left on this planet.
Speaker 1: But it would be on that planet to now start
Speaker 1: reproducing and everything like that, right like.
Speaker 5: But it would need other organics, right because these things
Speaker 5: like you like, it's all the time in these movies.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, you know, that's that's a whole lot of Covenant
Speaker 1: is oh, let's stop of this planet. And then it's like,
Speaker 1: oh shit, we shouldn't have stop this planet. So all
Speaker 1: takes is one ship to land there. They're looking for
Speaker 1: Prometheus because here's one little thing and Covenant they talk
Speaker 1: about that it's legend that Prometheus went missing, so you
Speaker 1: could think that maybe people when looking for them. So
Speaker 1: if I think if one person lands down there, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna go well, for like for the the Neinomorph,
Speaker 1: like whatever, how are they re produce or whatever they do,
Speaker 1: or they could just be self reproducing, right, We don't
Speaker 1: know what the more neo morph does. Right, it could
Speaker 1: be that true.
Speaker 5: I doubt it would be a self reproducing thing based
Speaker 5: on really Scott because we look at that first movie
Speaker 5: and how he want they wanted to do the alien.
Speaker 5: Uh you have the face hugger out of the egg.
Speaker 5: Face hugger impregnates human, Human, gives worth to alien, Alien
Speaker 5: captures human, Alien turns human into an egg, egg, spouts
Speaker 5: out face hugger face egg goes on human. When we
Speaker 5: look at this movie, he's kind of mimicking that in
Speaker 5: its own way, like you have pathogen put into man.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sleeps with woman, Woman gives birth to giant face
Speaker 5: hugger faceugger triple or something. Yeah, it's the trilobite, I
Speaker 5: think is Yeah, there's so many different stages of this
Speaker 5: life cycle I get.
Speaker 1: I think that the thing at the end was just
Speaker 1: to show what would happen if you do those experiments,
Speaker 1: and that's what happens in coment where you do those
Speaker 1: that lead to the alien ones. I think it's just
Speaker 1: kind of like a caughttionary tale of Oh, this is
Speaker 1: what if more of this happens, This is what would happen.
Speaker 1: So I can't tell you what the neomorph's doing nowadays.
Speaker 1: You know, maybe they're just hanging out there and doing
Speaker 1: their thing, but I think it's like a mini version
Speaker 1: of that. I will say too as well, just as
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Speaker 5: Glad you mentioned it. But yeah, I think as much
Speaker 5: as I love how this this movie starts, and there's
Speaker 5: certain things that characters make, like Shirley's Theron's character. I
Speaker 5: feel like they kind of they give you hope and
Speaker 5: then they just snuff it.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know.
Speaker 5: That kind of like a disappointing end to with I
Speaker 5: thought she would survive, but it only like within a
Speaker 5: thirty seconds later she just dies. So there's not much
Speaker 5: to that, but some of the.
Speaker 2: Things that she would have liked.
Speaker 1: To, yeah, I would have liked to for sure. That's
Speaker 1: a calling for me. And like, no, I'm on the
Speaker 1: Bandwagonna Taylor of hope because I'm like, I'm not like, oh,
Speaker 1: I need Vickers to survive, like because I like the character.
Speaker 1: She's an intriguing character and very interesting, and I feel
Speaker 1: they don't do as much as they could, especially with
Speaker 1: her and David. The last thing we see is hey,
Speaker 1: turn your columns on camera. He gets the engineers, he
Speaker 1: turns it off. They never interact ever again, and it's
Speaker 1: very oh, I guess when Waylan's there, but I just
Speaker 1: feel like one on one, it's just that feels like
Speaker 1: it's such an interesting thing. Lots of people have a
Speaker 1: theory that she's an android as well, Like there's lots
Speaker 1: of stuff with the Vickers sing where and they have
Speaker 1: good chemistry too, like that scene where she's intimidating him
Speaker 1: and she's like just like face palm him against the
Speaker 1: because he can't do anything right. It's like in its
Speaker 1: protocol that like I imagine, you can't just go off
Speaker 1: and start being up Vickers. So she's just like kind
Speaker 1: of like almost like an abusive mother in a situation
Speaker 1: with a child. And it's that character and a relationship
Speaker 1: with her father. I think it's very interesting. And that's
Speaker 1: a third act thing where I hate that she just
Speaker 1: dies by she gets crushes, even if it to me
Speaker 1: was David killing like something. The fact that she just
Speaker 1: dies because something falls, it's like, oh, that's that's really right,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: That's where that's what I was referring to with the hope.
Speaker 5: Because she ejects from the pod, I'm thinking, okay, like
Speaker 5: there's hope here that she's gonna survive, she's gonna she'll
Speaker 5: she'll make it out of this. But that's where it's
Speaker 5: snuffed because no, she just runs and the ship crashes
Speaker 5: on top of her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't put in the trivia. They do say
Speaker 1: that when you are in that hya adrenaline, you do
Speaker 1: just run forward, but it's still just buggs me every
Speaker 1: single time watching this movie that they just continue to
Speaker 1: run forward and then you know, uh, Shaw eventually turns
Speaker 1: to the left. But Vickers is just so I get
Speaker 1: that there's some scientific stuff behind it, but I wish,
Speaker 1: just wish there was.
Speaker 2: A different way.
Speaker 3: And it's ship is so massive that you would not
Speaker 3: be quick enough to get out of the I think
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 1: The problem is the ship rolls for so long. It's
Speaker 1: if it was an automatic that got it ounce right there.
Speaker 1: But they're running for like thirty seconds. And that's where
Speaker 1: I feel like, even if you can't be worth the try,
Speaker 1: and Shaw rolls though she didn't even run, she rolls
Speaker 1: out of the way, you know. So it's just I
Speaker 1: don't know, I wish there was another way to gets rolled.
Speaker 2: She doesn't until she doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. You mentioned there is kind of a
Speaker 3: theory out there that she is an android, because obviously
Speaker 3: there's that joke that iNeST Elba has with her. But
Speaker 3: I never I never really thought about it more than that.
Speaker 3: I mean, now you mentioned it's like, yeah, she does
Speaker 3: kind of have like I guess she almost like her
Speaker 3: performance comes across as out of an android to extent,
Speaker 3: I think she may be a bit too angry or
Speaker 3: snarky relative for the ones we've seen before, which are
Speaker 3: maybe a bit more like cool and calm on on
Speaker 3: in terms of like I don't know, there's their general demeanor.
Speaker 3: But you know, obviously if she looks different, we are
Speaker 3: to believe that she would be of a different make
Speaker 3: you know, she would be different skew because it seems
Speaker 3: like the androids are like built, you know, all using
Speaker 3: the same likeness. I guess, like if I'm buying the
Speaker 3: David version, like they all look exactly the same lemons.
Speaker 5: So to counter this now, I think with her, she
Speaker 5: obviously gets asked by dress of this character like are
Speaker 5: you a robot? And she's she counters that with like, yeah,
Speaker 5: we'll go sleep with each other. But then we also
Speaker 5: know David wears the helmet to blend in or the
Speaker 5: space suit he doesn't actually need it. But then when
Speaker 5: she's about to eject from the pod, she's panicking like
Speaker 5: she needs to put that suit on because it's her life, right.
Speaker 2: And add to that too, like why would she be
Speaker 2: asleep like right when at the beginning, when David's awake
Speaker 2: the whole time, like just getting knowledge, like why would
Speaker 2: she have to do hyperd People point out the whole
Speaker 2: jacked up afterwards, like do push ups but androids androids?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's people pointing out that, and people just
Speaker 1: point out the whole thing is like it's like a
Speaker 1: programming thing to her, like she could be android, but
Speaker 1: it's like almost she has to an interesting concept.
Speaker 2: And that's something that's an avenue. I wish they went
Speaker 2: on because I just kind of see her as a
Speaker 2: wasted potential. Like I like the performance of Charlie's. I
Speaker 2: think she's fantastic. It's just like I was waiting for
Speaker 2: something else to happen, Like her interactions with David. I
Speaker 2: think those were fantastic. Again, Like it that goes down
Speaker 2: to the performance. It's just like I was waiting for
Speaker 2: an interaction with that. I was waiting for a better
Speaker 2: interaction maybe with Whalen. Like we just get to this
Speaker 2: whole point and she's just like a disregarded child and
Speaker 2: like that's just been her thing, that she's just never
Speaker 2: been a good enough child in her father's eyes or
Speaker 2: whatever it might be. And then she just gets crushed
Speaker 2: by the ship at the end, Like it just seemed
Speaker 2: like a lot of a waste to like we could
Speaker 2: have just had, you know, like the tough what's even
Speaker 2: her position because she's not the captain Actually I dresses
Speaker 2: the captain.
Speaker 1: She's just yeah, the company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's kind of like heading the mission though. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think she still has a like clearance level over him.
Speaker 1: She does. Yeah, but she also didn't have to go
Speaker 1: because Whalen says that he's like, oh, I'm surprised you
Speaker 1: actually came out, So she could have just hired somebody, right,
Speaker 1: It's not like Walen's that, hey, you had to do this.
Speaker 1: I think she just had to do this for X,
Speaker 1: Y and Z. But she definitely has the higher ranking
Speaker 1: than everybody. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I almost feel like it would make more sense if,
Speaker 3: like the theory would be that she is like unknowingly
Speaker 3: and android, like like somehow they've like, yeah, this model
Speaker 3: is advanced enough that they maybe don't know. But then
Speaker 3: it's like, well, that's never gonna be ever explored in
Speaker 3: another movie again, so like what's the point of really
Speaker 3: even breaking it down at that point? But that's interesting.
Speaker 3: I would go team She's human if I had to pick, though.
Speaker 2: I would as well.
Speaker 1: I think so too, I think, because I think it
Speaker 1: also makes the dynamic better with her and David that
Speaker 1: Waylan kind of appreciates this created like hand created son
Speaker 1: versus your actual natural born daughter, and there's that actual
Speaker 1: hatred there. But I like it as like a like
Speaker 1: a you don't know. That's how I take it in
Speaker 1: when I watch, like, oh, could we be either way?
Speaker 1: I like the unanswered question.
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting that he at the start of
Speaker 3: the movie, David calls her mother and then at the
Speaker 3: end she calls way than father, right, so like that
Speaker 3: could be the angle, yes, like the creation, like does
Speaker 3: she mean father's in creation or father is in uh.
Speaker 1: Like bio biologically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, and I think so. And I
Speaker 1: think the writer has said that he didn't intend it that,
Speaker 1: like not intent like it has to be that. But
Speaker 1: there's fun charts of the pros and cons list, and
Speaker 1: I kind of like that. But again, all in all,
Speaker 1: I just wish there was whether she's human robot, just
Speaker 1: a better end to that story. It just kind of
Speaker 1: feels like she's an afterma And I don't know if
Speaker 1: I had anything to do with so originally she was.
Speaker 1: I'm throwing all my trivia Earlier she was cast as Shaw,
Speaker 1: but then she had scheduling conflicts and couldn't be Shaw,
Speaker 1: so that's where they reduced to Roll to Vickers. So
Speaker 1: that's why I also wanted that too. But it's just like, well,
Speaker 1: we only got Charlie's for this amount. I still think
Speaker 1: there's a better way to do it again. I still
Speaker 1: think even like David, I don't know, killing her, but
Speaker 1: something like him being setting her up in a way
Speaker 1: to say, when he kind of set up hall Away,
Speaker 1: I think there's more interests there, like some way. And
Speaker 1: that's where somebody just strikes me and says, ah, did
Speaker 1: they have her? And then it's like a we only
Speaker 1: actually got like a week after Charlie's, Like I just
Speaker 1: that it got crashed, like this is a big death
Speaker 1: for like it's a you know, it's a it's a
Speaker 1: cool visual moment, like the scale of its massive, you know,
Speaker 1: like they do a great job make you feel like man,
Speaker 1: like your your heart sinks. But I wish there was more.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a fun character and I think Charlie
Speaker 1: is uh is good. I always want to know more
Speaker 1: about her.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I was thinking about that too,
Speaker 3: Like at the end of this, if she were to
Speaker 3: survive that the crash at least, like, what would she
Speaker 3: do from there? Like, I like, maybe there's some tech,
Speaker 3: maybe she could get a message out or you know,
Speaker 3: a distress signal of some sort, but more than likely
Speaker 3: she would get fucked up by the neo more and
Speaker 3: then like maybe that would continue to cycle or something.
Speaker 3: But it's like I don't I don't think there's maybe
Speaker 3: there's food on this planet, but I think the idea
Speaker 3: is that like the engineers have like intentionally kind of
Speaker 3: killed this planet to something. Yes, life on it, right,
Speaker 3: So I don't know what she would have done.
Speaker 5: The life pod, right, that's two years of life and
Speaker 5: that's prolonging your death that's gonna come.
Speaker 1: So there you go two years? Or does she just
Speaker 1: catch a ryot with David and uh, I guess that
Speaker 1: probably pretty solid electronics and until I get a message out,
Speaker 1: but who knows.
Speaker 3: Like they're really far away from civilization right, so.
Speaker 2: Well they were they were in cryo sleep for what
Speaker 2: over two years? So if anyone's gonna come savor like
Speaker 2: they gonna leave now.
Speaker 1: Hooped, But you might got to put speed on that.
Speaker 1: She's the whaling air, right, so you can get a
Speaker 1: big bank if you find a way, But.
Speaker 3: Then you have whoever is next in line after her,
Speaker 3: and maybe they you know David, they try their best
Speaker 3: to hide that so that they can kill.
Speaker 5: Like Burke, they're turning the camera.
Speaker 1: Off and that's like not not to like not to
Speaker 1: like like tangent Us. But that's I'm so curious what
Speaker 1: the Alien TV show us because that's the movie, and
Speaker 1: then we know what Romulus is. But like the Alien
Speaker 1: Earth one, it's like, I feel like they're gonna have
Speaker 1: some of these dynamics. I'm not saying they're going to
Speaker 1: tie into Prometheus in Covenant, because I think they might
Speaker 1: pass those by. And that's gonna say you're talking about
Speaker 1: like why did he go this route? I think it's
Speaker 1: just like because like also, you had the two a
Speaker 1: VP movies, which like the Action once and then he
Speaker 1: had all those sequels. I just don't know what more.
Speaker 1: And he felt that way too, because the people don't
Speaker 1: know Neil blomb Camp. He was working on an alien
Speaker 1: movie with Signorey Weaver and they're bringing back Hicks and everything,
Speaker 1: and they're bringing back Newt and they were gonna do
Speaker 1: just a sequel from after two. They're gonna ignore all
Speaker 1: the other ones and do that sort of thing. And
Speaker 1: I think, for whatever reason, you know, pro con because
Speaker 1: some people wish they got that instead of this. I
Speaker 1: think he just didn't feel there was any more to explore,
Speaker 1: like in the future and even the eighties. Remember he
Speaker 1: was pitching like, if I come back, I really want
Speaker 1: to tell like the how they were creat So I
Speaker 1: think for him as a creator, he just didn't feel
Speaker 1: like the sequels as cause, and I kind of agree
Speaker 1: with him. Once we had to three and four, it's like,
Speaker 1: there's not more you can really there is more you
Speaker 1: can do, but I guess it just wasn't the wasn't
Speaker 1: worth the risk of those movies. I don't think they
Speaker 1: added enough to be like, oh, these sequels really feel
Speaker 1: like we need to expand the story. I think Aliens
Speaker 1: I'm fine with, but then the rest of them, I
Speaker 1: just go, well, is there any move forward? Because even Romulus,
Speaker 1: like I'm excited, but like, even look at Evil DEVI with,
Speaker 1: he just does like Eield dead again but updated and
Speaker 1: a bit more gnarly and whatnot. I think this is
Speaker 1: gonna be what Alien Romins is. I think it's just
Speaker 1: gonna be like alien aliens put together with a new
Speaker 1: fresh coat of pain. I don't think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: about maybe a couple.
Speaker 3: Of Easter eggs in there that the fans can like really
Speaker 3: dig into in terms of what it means for the
Speaker 3: Greater Loure.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well, I think really Scott, especially at that age,
Speaker 1: want to talk about creation and what does it mean
Speaker 1: to be a faith person versus a science based person,
Speaker 1: where I don't think rominss is gonna do that. I
Speaker 1: think Romins is gonna be gnarly, let's fight and escape
Speaker 1: some aliens. So I think that's just why he wanted
Speaker 1: to do this, just try.
Speaker 5: To make people question their gods.
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 4: And I'm my favorite scene, not that none, Okay, one
Speaker 4: of my fas I will say my favorite, but one
Speaker 4: of my favorite scenes is when David's talking a Holloway
Speaker 4: and he's like, well, why did you create us.
Speaker 1: Just because we could? And he says, wouldn't that be
Speaker 1: so disappointed if you got that answer? And that creates
Speaker 1: such a dynamic where we think about God like for us.
Speaker 3: If we think about his response to that too, of well,
Speaker 3: you can't get this a good thing. You can't get disappointed, then,
Speaker 3: is it? And David I all conversation out. I love
Speaker 3: that conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good. And what I love in that thing
Speaker 1: too is before he poisons Halloway, he like checks with him.
Speaker 1: He's like, would you do anything to get your answers?
Speaker 1: And he says yes, there, Well let's toast that. So
Speaker 1: it's almost like if Halloway said no, he wouldn't have
Speaker 1: done it. Like that's like because there's like a distinctive
Speaker 1: thing there. And that's what I love about all these humans,
Speaker 1: same thing. We talk about life and death. But when
Speaker 1: they get the answer of you know, one they were
Speaker 1: just created because the engineers could and two the engineers
Speaker 1: looked at humans, says ah, this was a mistake. We
Speaker 1: screwed up. So it's like somewhere like let's say right
Speaker 1: now twenty twenty four, we have creators that are watching us.
Speaker 1: You know what, this is a fail experiment. Let's just
Speaker 1: exile this and start over. So that's what I I
Speaker 1: love those questions where I don't think if you move
Speaker 1: forward an alien and it's just you're fighting the Zeno
Speaker 1: more fucking covenant, I don't think you can get those
Speaker 1: and rownless. I don't think you're gonna get those either.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be what is my place in the world.
Speaker 1: It's just oh, this guy, there's a I'm pregnant with
Speaker 1: any alien again?
Speaker 5: You know that topic of conversation there, it's I think
Speaker 5: it's it's a great scene and yeah, my go Fastbener
Speaker 5: just fucking kills it. Uh Now there's It makes me
Speaker 5: laugh because you have Guy Pearce's kind of dialogue with
Speaker 5: Shaw where he's like, oh, what would I can't remember
Speaker 5: his name, but what would he do? You know he died,
Speaker 5: but we're so close to talking to them and asking
Speaker 5: hill Wallay, Halloway died, what would you do now? Like
Speaker 5: we're so close to ask a supporting question human history?
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeaha like we found them alive. And then
Speaker 5: Shaw goes to tell that to the captain. I just
Speaker 5: alba literally she says the same thing and he just
Speaker 5: he turns her. And I love this so much because
Speaker 5: he's like, I don't care, yeah, and I think that's great.
Speaker 1: And then because that shows the ideologies where we talked
Speaker 1: about that like on After nine like that, like that's
Speaker 1: where I am religious wise, where I'm not I can't
Speaker 1: remember what the term is. I'm not like, A, no, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm not a non believer in God. I'm not believing
Speaker 1: in God. But in that situation of that, k you
Speaker 1: meet your creators or I can get out of here.
Speaker 1: I don't need that question answered. I'm gonna go live
Speaker 1: my life. So irisselfa I like, but he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't give a fuck about this, let's just leave.
Speaker 1: But she and her husband are very faith based or
Speaker 1: they want to see this through, right, And that's where
Speaker 1: iris Elba is just like the greater good for him
Speaker 1: and his crew. They still sacrifice himself. But why does
Speaker 1: he do that so that won't go to Earth or
Speaker 1: wherever and mess everything up? Yeah, exactly right. And that's
Speaker 1: where you see between David, between Whalen, between Holloway and Shaw.
Speaker 1: You don't get them vicars, vicars just there for the money,
Speaker 1: that's what she gets about. But iris Alva, you see
Speaker 1: about four to five different points of view that are
Speaker 1: on this same topic in question.
Speaker 2: So fucking h what's the name. Sean Harris's character too,
Speaker 2: he's just there for the money. Yeah, just there for
Speaker 2: the money, fucking friend. Whatever he says to Buddy.
Speaker 1: Think about that acid melting glass and glass like just
Speaker 1: it goes, it merges with your face. That has to be.
Speaker 5: When the black goop then like splashes on you too,
Speaker 5: Like it's just horrible.
Speaker 1: When he comes back later, his body is like folded up,
Speaker 1: it's just like horrifying.
Speaker 5: Oh like that gate lowers and you stand. You go
Speaker 5: out there and you see him and you think, okay,
Speaker 5: we'll run like that, well, yeah, who put the body here?
Speaker 5: You have to do so that this fucker got here
Speaker 5: on his own and he's in exorcist mode.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, it's not good. I think both this
Speaker 1: and comment they suffer from some people not making the
Speaker 1: smart decisions, like the scientist being like hey, little guy,
Speaker 1: like what a fucking idiot. It's just like the second
Speaker 1: I don't understand. I wouldn't understand.
Speaker 3: Piles of bodies all around this fortress.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even if it comes up, it's just like
Speaker 1: that snake thing, Okay, but when it like spreads and
Speaker 1: like you're like okay, no, let's get darn yeah level exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it is scary when you have him on the
Speaker 1: calm and he's just like it's breaking my arms, breaking around,
Speaker 1: and then you get that snap and then they use
Speaker 1: the break arm to like go up there and just
Speaker 1: goes in his mouth like that. I hate the horrifying scene,
Speaker 1: just awful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just goes to zero to one hundred and
Speaker 2: like instantly, and then like this, like the score just
Speaker 2: terrifies you too because it's so intense. And then you
Speaker 2: have Sean Harris's character is just like I don't want
Speaker 2: to touch it. It's like just fucking cut it off,
Speaker 2: like cut the whole damn arm off at that point.
Speaker 1: And then if you've seen Alien, you just know like, oh,
Speaker 1: the cutting is not gonna help, you know, like it's
Speaker 1: the only gonna do.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it didn't, It didn't.
Speaker 1: It made it worse for Sean Harris. He could have left,
Speaker 1: He should have just left him.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately for him, they bonded though, you know, you say
Speaker 2: he didn't want a friend. He died with a friend
Speaker 2: in that day.
Speaker 1: God, what a terrible situation too. You're on this plane
Speaker 1: you don't know, and they've lost coms. I've told you
Speaker 1: just to hang tight for a night, geez.
Speaker 3: Then the captain's off just banging together captain leaving you
Speaker 3: in the dark too. Like that.
Speaker 1: That was Savage from Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Even at least they did leave on their own their
Speaker 2: own free will, right, Like they could have just stayed
Speaker 2: with the crew. I don't know how they didn't find
Speaker 2: their way out of there. I guess I guess it's
Speaker 2: an amazing happens. And people got out the really fast
Speaker 2: in the hurry. I guess they had David. Maybe he's
Speaker 2: like a nice compass to have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how did they get lost? I feel like, did
Speaker 3: I miss that? Or they just they just got missing.
Speaker 2: They're just dumb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they just see something and then the crew's
Speaker 1: like on a different way and everything like that, and
Speaker 1: they're just like like.
Speaker 2: Oh, look a little When we go to them now,
Speaker 2: because it's like like our main crew gets to the
Speaker 2: ATV's whatever, they are like, oh, they must have left already.
Speaker 2: So like their vehicle was just gone, but they weren't
Speaker 2: on it, right, like, like, is that what happened or
Speaker 2: was there only ever two vehicles?
Speaker 5: Well, they caught up there was like a big tanker
Speaker 5: that was ahead of them, and then they got on
Speaker 5: the two ATV squad things and you see them catch
Speaker 5: up to the big tanker rig. So I think they
Speaker 5: assumed they were inside.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, okay, that makes sense. It just goes to
Speaker 2: them and yeah, like storm is like it's been happening.
Speaker 2: It's not like it just happened, like it's been happening,
Speaker 2: and checks with them, and they're like, they find just
Speaker 2: a fucking pile like mass of these old aliens nightmare fuels.
Speaker 2: They're down deep chambers that they never should have been in.
Speaker 2: I feel like I would have been right at like
Speaker 2: the waiting room, and just like I'm not going any
Speaker 2: deeper into this. I don't know how much that would
Speaker 2: have held. That little worm probably still would have found them,
Speaker 2: but well, the note it's boring in that day.
Speaker 5: The note of the worms. So they get the ping
Speaker 5: and I just goes in the comma says, hey, we
Speaker 5: got movement that's up ahead, and there they made the
Speaker 5: decision to go the opposite direction where the worms are,
Speaker 5: back where they came from. Are we supposed to assume
Speaker 5: that the movement that it was up ahead was just
Speaker 5: more worms?
Speaker 1: I think so, or just more because they they go like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a glitch, I think, but I think it was
Speaker 1: more stuff like that, which you know, better directions given
Speaker 1: in the first Alien movie of.
Speaker 5: That way, don't go that way.
Speaker 1: At least at least Charlie and him could have like
Speaker 1: got it on the deck so he could have like
Speaker 1: kept an eye on them, you know.
Speaker 2: But the thing with the worms too, I definitely didn't
Speaker 2: catch us in the first viewing, which I'm assuming those
Speaker 2: worms were like the little earthworms that they step on, right,
Speaker 2: and then they just mutate. Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 5: They kept emphasizing the little worms going into like the
Speaker 5: black ooze once the pressure in the.
Speaker 2: Room changed, so you know, that changed like a high evolutionary.
Speaker 1: Should have stayed up, you know, should have should have
Speaker 1: stayed up.
Speaker 2: So should have stayed up? I mean what do you
Speaker 2: mean by that?
Speaker 1: Like not gone down there, like like they've not done
Speaker 1: any of this, like they should have liked like like
Speaker 1: I they do find their makers. I guess something got
Speaker 1: their answers and everything like that. They get the space shockey,
Speaker 1: which was.
Speaker 2: Like the I was gonna say, can you imagine like
Speaker 2: meeting your maker, like this is your meeting the person
Speaker 2: or I guess not him individually, the people that crafted
Speaker 2: you and the fucking decks you in the face with
Speaker 2: like a haymaker. Just George Foreman, right, like right, power,
Speaker 2: and the kisser like man liter roll punch to the face.
Speaker 7: Believes, well, that's why I shaw. She sees that and
Speaker 7: she's like, I gotta know why they wanted to kill us,
Speaker 7: and I saw that punch and everything. Let's talk about
Speaker 7: engineers because they have quite the lore where this is
Speaker 7: where I feel like the community divides, because you got
Speaker 7: the space Shockey in the first Alien and for decades
Speaker 7: I was like, what's the deal with this thing?
Speaker 1: What's under there? And ridge of the design was to
Speaker 1: make them look like that, like they're dark girlmost elfin like.
Speaker 1: But then they I think they just didn't like it,
Speaker 1: and they say, well, let's make that Dexo skin and
Speaker 1: then they decide on these very big kind of you know,
Speaker 1: I won't say godlike, but definitely more alien type. Yes, absolutely,
Speaker 1: that's one the beginning. My goodness. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 1: to see those UFC fights they got on that planet.
Speaker 1: That's like some of the best fights in the world.
Speaker 1: But yeah, which the beginning. I still it's still like
Speaker 1: it we have one that kills himself and then you
Speaker 1: move forward and then you have this one who is
Speaker 1: the space Jockey or something like that. They you know,
Speaker 1: it at least explains. Okay, what is the spacehographer in
Speaker 1: the first Alien? It is exoskeleton too, our creators, And yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you guys feel about the the engineers is
Speaker 1: kind of our gods here their look, you know, some
Speaker 1: of the story we get here, et cetera.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's pretty cool. I like
Speaker 3: the I think the opening sequence of this movie is
Speaker 3: is really neat. I think it's it's not too long either,
Speaker 3: Like I feel like it just sets the scene in
Speaker 3: a pretty good way. But yeah, I guess for me
Speaker 3: it was it was fun to kind of put those
Speaker 3: pieces together since I'm kind of watching all these back
Speaker 3: to back, which I didn't do the other times i've
Speaker 3: seen Prometheus, but to see those kind of connections and
Speaker 3: kind of getting more understanding more of how that works.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think it's I think it's interesting. I
Speaker 3: think it's cool, like the sequences when they're kind of
Speaker 3: comparing the DNA and wow, there's so this is a
Speaker 3: perfect match with our DNA we come from them, Like
Speaker 3: all that stuff is is pretty interesting to me. I
Speaker 3: feel like I still just have so many questions though,
Speaker 3: and that's where I'm like a little on settled, and
Speaker 3: I'm curious to rewatch Covenant here and get some of
Speaker 3: those questions answered. But for at least what's here, I
Speaker 3: I'm into it. I think it's all good fun world
Speaker 3: building lore.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I quite like them too. I like the opening
Speaker 2: because it like it sets up that he took the
Speaker 2: goo and then that like like what happened there, Like
Speaker 2: did he change his DNA there? Like for us, is
Speaker 2: that what that scene was or.
Speaker 1: Is just yeah, I think so himself he saw the humans,
Speaker 1: He's like, oh my god, look what we created. No,
Speaker 1: I think the natras like he's like like a seed
Speaker 1: to the planet for doing it, like to start something,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: That's what I that's what I took it out because
Speaker 2: they show like the cells starting to kind of Yes.
Speaker 1: He's been given the directive of the chosen One, you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so I I like it. I like the
Speaker 2: designs of everything. I do. Like the Exo seats, Exo suits.
Speaker 2: I love that they're just huge too, like not just
Speaker 2: shredded and like the definition their muscles, but just really large. Yes,
Speaker 2: that whole aspect because it makes like the like the
Speaker 2: scale of the ship just massive, right, because like especially
Speaker 2: when they first get there, they they don't know how
Speaker 2: deep these caverns go or anything like that. And then
Speaker 2: you just see these holograms of these things just running
Speaker 2: around and be very very trippy, especially like it's one
Speaker 2: thing to go to another planet that's amazing in and
Speaker 2: of itself. But you get there, you find these structures
Speaker 2: and they're like, I can't tell if this is natural
Speaker 2: or not. I think you have hollow it. That says
Speaker 2: the line like God doesn't draw in or Creighton then
Speaker 2: like straight lines. He like he like makes the note
Speaker 2: that like this is probably crafted. You do all that,
Speaker 2: you find these caverns that look like they're crafted, But
Speaker 2: then you see like a hologram of an actual humanoid,
Speaker 2: like that would just blow your mind. And then and
Speaker 2: then and then you see the damn thing, and like,
Speaker 2: if you are a believer in any type of religion
Speaker 2: in that moment, like that just would probably shatter your
Speaker 2: whole realm of existence, right Like it forces you to
Speaker 2: rethink it because it's not just all what if? Right, like,
Speaker 2: it's right in front of you. The evidence is right
Speaker 2: in front of you. And I think, what's his name?
Speaker 2: Milburn and Sean Harris's character Byfield or something like that
Speaker 2: whatever his name was, uh, like going through and this
Speaker 2: is when they find the whole bodies and he's.
Speaker 1: Like, is that real?
Speaker 2: It's like, of course, it's fucking real. Like it's like
Speaker 2: it's right fucking there. And yeah, they're just like in
Speaker 2: disbelief because a lot of these characters like they were
Speaker 2: in it for the paycheck, right, and they're like, I
Speaker 2: don't think we're gonna find anything here, Like these scientists
Speaker 2: are on this pipe dream, but then they get there
Speaker 2: and it kind of forces them to rethink. And I
Speaker 2: did like that they actually talked about those concepts of
Speaker 2: like the belief, like that is a big thing, especially
Speaker 2: with our main character Shaw, like right, like she's kinda
Speaker 2: like she she's always carrying her cross with her and
Speaker 2: David is asking her about that and like just questioning
Speaker 2: the whole belief aspect of it and how she just
Speaker 2: throughout all this like she I can't remember if it's
Speaker 2: with Holloway, but it's like okay, like I'm a believer,
Speaker 2: but if these are craters, like do you believe in God? Well,
Speaker 2: it's like then who created them?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Like like it like it's just this never ending thing,
Speaker 2: and I like that they pose those questions in the
Speaker 2: film itself. I think the issue with me with the
Speaker 2: engineers is it's just I was waiting for like a nice, shiny,
Speaker 2: easy palatable answer on like what all this was. And
Speaker 2: maybe that's the point, is that you don't actually know
Speaker 2: their full their full uh motivations. Like they just they
Speaker 2: just hated us. They hated the way we look or something.
Speaker 2: We're not as chiseled as them. They don't like our
Speaker 2: paunches that we got, so they just they just send
Speaker 2: these worm things to take out Earth. Like I maybe
Speaker 2: wanted a little bit of a nicer answer, But uh,
Speaker 2: I do like the design of them. I like their Yeah,
Speaker 2: the just their whole design across the board with the
Speaker 2: ships them and how we kind of get things revealed
Speaker 2: through like David being like a little little sneaky being
Speaker 2: a little sneaky like like Sniegel and just doing his
Speaker 2: own things and he's just like doing these these little
Speaker 2: button presses. It's like, Okay, this guy's got like GTACH
Speaker 2: codes right now, and we're trying to just figure out
Speaker 2: where we are in this room. So I like all
Speaker 2: those moments. But yeah, with the engineers themselves, I like
Speaker 2: it it's just I feel like I was wanting maybe
Speaker 2: more answers. But do you think that that's the point.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that. I feel like that's it
Speaker 1: might be a cop up, but I feel like that's
Speaker 1: the point because they're kind of trying to make a
Speaker 1: god like comparison where it's like you can't get all
Speaker 1: those answers. It's the same way as like enough, you know,
Speaker 1: because even even the movie ends with Shoppy like we're
Speaker 1: gonna go get our answers, right, and you know, we'll
Speaker 1: see what happens to the next one. But that's where
Speaker 1: I feel like there's it's almost like so far because again,
Speaker 1: you could meet all the engineers, but like they talk
Speaker 1: about who created them, and it's like, do all the
Speaker 1: engineers feel that they need to go? Is there like
Speaker 1: a divide? Even then between the engineers is like half
Speaker 1: the community like, well, we don't need to genocide these
Speaker 1: things we created, right, And then you have David on
Speaker 1: the other side starting to create these things, and he
Speaker 1: is like a so like to these not that they
Speaker 1: would have that, but there's like a god like complex
Speaker 1: for him, right, and it's uh, it's it's all interesting stuff.
Speaker 1: And the David stuff. I I love that he's doing
Speaker 1: all he's He's on like a side quest. Well everyone's
Speaker 1: on like life goes to hell Maine mission, but he's
Speaker 1: just like, I'm gonna see what this does and see
Speaker 1: what that does and everything.
Speaker 5: So we all finished crookha.
Speaker 1: Geek first, Well, no, I think we had a couple
Speaker 1: more what them.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed Geek first, Big Eyes.
Speaker 1: Let him go live on air. You're out, Kirkleam.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So getting a little bit more deep dive into
Speaker 5: the engineers. It's it's quite something because you really don't
Speaker 5: know anything in that first alien movie. And it's interesting
Speaker 5: interesting what you said there, Travis, about just their exoskeleton
Speaker 5: and just what they were underneath.
Speaker 1: No one was thinking that. No one was like everyone
Speaker 1: was thinking it was that thing like that was stuck
Speaker 1: on the ship for years, and I think everyone did
Speaker 1: think that was like the origin the alien or the xenomorph, Like,
Speaker 1: who knows. I wasn't around. There's probably no boards. I
Speaker 1: don't know if people talked about that. Were they like
Speaker 1: the people that experiment on them, or were they another
Speaker 1: type of alien or something. I would love to hear
Speaker 1: the conversations back in the eighties.
Speaker 5: I saw a quote from an interview with Ridley Scott
Speaker 5: where he actually talks about why the engineers were going
Speaker 5: to destroy humanity. And it's interesting when you look at
Speaker 5: in the context of the film, because you have many
Speaker 5: different cultures after humanity was created where they're pointing to
Speaker 5: the same star system and there's a giant being. So
Speaker 5: you know, okay, the engineers clearly visited humanity multiple times.
Speaker 5: It wasn't just hey, we created you and now we're
Speaker 5: going to go destroy you. So the engineers have visited
Speaker 5: Earth many times connected with humanity. And now what Ridley
Speaker 5: Scott was implying was that he was he didn't say
Speaker 5: the name, but he was infroning that Jesus Christ was
Speaker 5: an engineer that humans. It's Roman times two thousand years ago.
Speaker 5: You've seen that. Yeah, so what happened? I'd be curious,
Speaker 5: but yeah, I don't really need it. But they crucified him.
Speaker 5: So they sent an engineer down to go deal with humanity,
Speaker 5: and humans crucified him. And so that's why.
Speaker 1: These big giant yeah.
Speaker 5: Have like ten thousand humans grabbing them.
Speaker 1: And do this engineer and have the long Jesus hairsault too.
Speaker 5: He's turning water into wine. He's given them his crowd.
Speaker 5: He's having a big table, big teaste.
Speaker 1: What do we do?
Speaker 5: His bosses did not give him the proper like run
Speaker 5: down on like, hey, go down to Earth and just
Speaker 5: you know, talk to them, and they just.
Speaker 2: They just watching this whole thing. They're like, yeah, we're
Speaker 2: taking them out. We're totally taking these people.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like Ridley's telling, how does the engineer look like? Like,
Speaker 1: if he's trying to compare it to our Jesus, how
Speaker 1: would the engineer end up looking like the photos that
Speaker 1: we know of Jesus supposedly big beer, long brown hair,
Speaker 1: the robes, Like, no engineer that extoltz unless they just
Speaker 1: lied about it. But yeah, like i'd love from now
Speaker 1: one of Jesus always was like ten feet taller than
Speaker 1: everybody in these photos. You know. That's I think that's
Speaker 1: why I'm glad he took it out, because that's too all. Like,
Speaker 1: I think it's better to talk about our stuff on
Speaker 1: a psychological level than like a potential literal level. Of
Speaker 1: people have an idea of what Jesus could be, which
Speaker 1: again it's some some of it could just be all stories.
Speaker 1: But I think that's tougher for me to grasp, like, well,
Speaker 1: you know, these engineers, one of them was Jesus.
Speaker 3: That's an interesting thought though, Taylor, that they would have
Speaker 3: come to Earth multiple times, because it's like man, one
Speaker 3: of the odds that they land on Earth the same
Speaker 3: time that the predators there are doing some training.
Speaker 5: And well, that's why they had to eliminate the humans, right,
Speaker 5: because the predators took over and or worshiped as gods.
Speaker 5: They're like, no, we're the gods, right, So I.
Speaker 1: Don't recall that and go around. I would love to
Speaker 1: see an engineer versus a predator though, because they're they're
Speaker 1: tall guy.
Speaker 3: Like alien versus predator versus engineer box office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like engineers are probably taller than predators,
Speaker 1: right they are, Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Like ten feet tall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see that on their skeleton. Is probably not
Speaker 1: as exciting because it's pretty just.
Speaker 3: Like the skeleton probably looks about the same. It's just yeah,
Speaker 3: really bubbly muscles that they have.
Speaker 5: I don't know how uh, I don't know how accurate
Speaker 5: this is, but this is a random thing. The predators
Speaker 5: and engineers were very combative against each other, and so
Speaker 5: the engineers put safeguards in place so preaders couldn't use
Speaker 5: their technology, Like the flutes that initialize their systems were
Speaker 5: designed specifically so predators. Predators couldn't use it. Predators invented technology.
Speaker 5: He'll mimic the sounds of their life forms for that
Speaker 5: very reason as a workaround. I don't know, this guy
Speaker 5: sounds like he's just speaking out of his butt.
Speaker 1: Well, I wonder I would let Rickson signed Wayland Bishop
Speaker 1: the second, But like at the same time, because I
Speaker 1: don't know if there is there is comic books with
Speaker 1: the engineers, so that could be some more from that.
Speaker 1: And that's where even if it wasn't even Earth, I
Speaker 1: still I guess that's why I like the orgin of
Speaker 1: the actual aliens. I can buy, like, think of the
Speaker 1: things we do right now, everyone's like, hey, don't do AI.
Speaker 1: Don't do those videos where you make the robots and
Speaker 1: you're like punching them because eventually you're just gonna turned there.
Speaker 1: I can buy that, whether it's predator, the human race,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, that the engineer engineers feel that
Speaker 1: they need almost like a weapon of mass destruction in
Speaker 1: a sense, right, And this is and that's where for
Speaker 1: me it also works too, especially you know, for your
Speaker 1: guys maybe like the Alien versus Predator, it almost makes
Speaker 1: sense that the aliens are type like they're their original
Speaker 1: design was to be a weapon, you know, like the
Speaker 1: idea of what they become is more you know, David
Speaker 1: mess around, but the idea of we even see that
Speaker 1: where I'm like, they are used there. The engineers are
Speaker 1: using this planet to create weapons. And that's what I do.
Speaker 1: I look at the alien be like, okay, I could
Speaker 1: buy that as this is a weapon. And if this
Speaker 1: is whether you like they or not, because I get
Speaker 1: people that just striped don't like the engineers, and then
Speaker 1: it's a tough movie to like. But for me, if
Speaker 1: it's like they're this race and even then, okay, they
Speaker 1: hear these predators are out there, they're worry about these clans.
Speaker 1: Like imagine too they go to one up planet where they
Speaker 1: drop Royce there, they just drop like all these fucking
Speaker 1: things on that. There goes the predators, like there goes
Speaker 1: a bunch of clans, you know that they so and
Speaker 1: I think it's like a good I don't think they
Speaker 1: dive deep into but it's like an allegory for nuclear
Speaker 1: warfare in our life, right, And I don't think that's
Speaker 1: like a big plot point here, but it's enough where
Speaker 1: as humans we did it. We created bombs that could
Speaker 1: take our entire countries or millions of people, right, So
Speaker 1: it's like it's not at the realm possibility. These things
Speaker 1: that created life would also want to create some reassurances
Speaker 1: for their people and everything. And I like that explanation
Speaker 1: of yeah, they killed this planet because I ourself talks
Speaker 1: about that like that's smart. Why would they want to
Speaker 1: create all these weapons and potential life ending threats where
Speaker 1: somewhere they live. They went somewhere completely out, So all
Speaker 1: that stuff works for me.
Speaker 3: For the engineers, I'm curious to We've mentioned a couple
Speaker 3: of these things, but what are your as other kind
Speaker 3: of big issues with the third act? Specifically? What are
Speaker 3: some of those things.
Speaker 2: I mentioned my issues with, Like Charlie's ire what was
Speaker 2: her name? Vickers? I just I felt like it was
Speaker 2: wasted potential with the character. It might be a little hyperbolic,
Speaker 2: but I don't know, that's kind of how I feel like.
Speaker 2: It just seemed like we could have gone such a
Speaker 2: better We already laid out, like the potential of her
Speaker 2: struggling with like, am I an ex I makna type?
Speaker 2: Feel like, yeah, that one I laid out too, how
Speaker 2: I felt a little I wanted maybe more answers with
Speaker 2: the engineers. And it's funny because like on the other card,
Speaker 2: maybe if I get those answers, they're terrible and it's like, man,
Speaker 2: I wish they kept a secret. So it's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I like, I'm just choosing to not like
Speaker 2: that that reason. Exactly. What else?
Speaker 3: There's one I think we haven't mentioned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there was one we mentioned that we went
Speaker 1: on a tangent and I'm going, I'm trying to think
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 3: Is it potentially because I felt like, man, the captain
Speaker 3: really put a lot of trust in what she was
Speaker 3: saying to just sacrifice and kill himself along with the
Speaker 3: p I don't know if I don't think I really
Speaker 3: have an issue with that, but it did seem like
Speaker 3: a little a little quick for him to just believe
Speaker 3: her on that and sacrifice himself. I love that shot
Speaker 3: of the ship just disintegrating against the engineer ship, like
Speaker 3: just clearly the difference in tech level there of like
Speaker 3: the armor of that thing. I thought that was cool.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: His uh his little first mates there where those are
Speaker 2: like Rider Die homies, Oka like they feel like no
Speaker 2: thought like yeah, we're doing this, let's let's let's pop
Speaker 2: off right here.
Speaker 3: They accepted when they landed on this planet that this
Speaker 3: is the last planet they were going to step foot on.
Speaker 1: And I think for me, it's a general. There's one
Speaker 1: other thing I hopefully they'll come back to because of my
Speaker 1: notes I just got trivia. I think it's a general
Speaker 1: that there's a big ramp up with her being pregnant.
Speaker 1: They do the whole surgery, which brutal scene greatly. I
Speaker 1: think they build it up very well, but I think
Speaker 1: it's like an instant they halt the movie because Whylan
Speaker 1: comes back, and then they have the conversation with Sew
Speaker 1: and it feels like it it slows down and then
Speaker 1: it ramps right back up again, and not like a
Speaker 1: kind of pace that way with your jog, and it
Speaker 1: just feels like they just stop and it feels like
Speaker 1: all the threats are just kind of gone. She's sued
Speaker 1: up and she talks about herself about like the differences,
Speaker 1: so they have the there's stuff in there. I like,
Speaker 1: but I think it's the pacing of you know, the
Speaker 1: whatever what is it called to the THI but or
Speaker 1: the theobite or whatever trill bite like. I like that.
Speaker 1: I like the sequence, but I'm not sure if I
Speaker 1: would reorganize it. And I don't know if you can
Speaker 1: because you have to make it grow. So could get
Speaker 1: the engineer, which I like that scene too when it's there,
Speaker 1: And again Tara talk about first episode, lots of sexual
Speaker 1: imagery with this thing, you know, so I enjoy portions
Speaker 1: of it. I think it's just how it kind of
Speaker 1: is spaced apart. It just feels like act one, Act
Speaker 1: two flow the complete entire time. I think, very well,
Speaker 1: where that oh, and here's the other part. That's what
Speaker 1: I remember. Okay, when we're talking about Halloway, for me,
Speaker 1: I find it very odd that David for the whole
Speaker 1: movie is very secret, and then the entire third act
Speaker 1: he's just letting Sew know that he's fucking everything up,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't track for me of what we had
Speaker 1: gone with David before. He's making mistakes that are kind
Speaker 1: of on purpose, and Shaw jumps from is this robot
Speaker 1: questionable to He's a part of everything because he says
Speaker 1: something about I'm watching your dreams and like that could
Speaker 1: be odd, but I don't know why. Seaw they make her,
Speaker 1: they make her know what we know, but she's not
Speaker 1: been told any of that. We as a viewers know
Speaker 1: Dave's been doing X, Y and Z, and I think
Speaker 1: he makes some sort of day at Hallway too. But
Speaker 1: it's also just like, why would David want to be
Speaker 1: poking despair right now, like trying to tempt her to
Speaker 1: be like, hey, like, you know, I might have done
Speaker 1: some stuff. I can't remember the exact line, but he
Speaker 1: just kind of shows his cards. And I never understand
Speaker 1: that from the character's point of view, because they end
Speaker 1: up back together at the end, right, they end up
Speaker 1: like we're gonna go on a venture, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're the only people we got. So it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's odd almost to think that stuff, you'd say for
Speaker 1: a sequel. She's with him and then she suspected man
Speaker 1: this whole time he's been messing with me. It just
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a It doesn't get addressed directly because
Speaker 1: he gets his head taken off.
Speaker 2: So that was it one, And like even before all
Speaker 2: that happens, like she knows that David wanted to have
Speaker 2: her pregnant, and she like he was preventing her from
Speaker 2: like trying to get this fetus out, and he's like, no,
Speaker 2: you're just gonna go to sleep, like you're just gonna
Speaker 2: hyper sleep, which is fucked up. And like, I feel
Speaker 2: like if I get out of that situation, which she does,
Speaker 2: she performs her own Cesarean section, which is just fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: That's a whole wild scene in and of itself. But
Speaker 2: then like like I get it Waylen's back, but like
Speaker 2: next time, like it just doesn't seem like she's that
Speaker 2: mad at David overall of that, and I feel like
Speaker 2: that is pretty clear that like he even if you
Speaker 2: don't know everything that he's done, like it is kind
Speaker 2: of as you mentioned Trevs, like like he lays out
Speaker 2: his cards right in front of her. Later on, it
Speaker 2: just seems like it doesn't really the.
Speaker 1: Line that's the line that's he just throws out there,
Speaker 1: which I never understood because they take off their helmets
Speaker 1: when they're with Whalen and she goes, well, I don't
Speaker 1: know if we want to do that because Hallway got
Speaker 1: sick and he looks or he says, that's not what
Speaker 1: got him sick, but then he goes back on to
Speaker 1: his like he doesn't continue, like, then just do the
Speaker 1: full reveal of I expect, like I know there's time
Speaker 1: and place, but it just feels weird for him, like
Speaker 1: that's not how it happened. And then he goes right
Speaker 1: back and it's like, why would even say that? Why
Speaker 1: would he even just insinuate that he killed your husband? Right,
Speaker 1: So it's it's odd in that moment where I feel
Speaker 1: like David, even as the creator guy, would be way
Speaker 1: more just focused on the engineer and focus is going
Speaker 1: on now, but he still has this like weird back
Speaker 1: and forth with Sean. That's where I think it's just
Speaker 1: the third act where maybe there is a time and
Speaker 1: place for that, but it was the pacing of when
Speaker 1: they drop those reveals. It didn't make sense of the halt,
Speaker 1: and then we have Walan back and I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe there's a version of us better without Whalin's too,
Speaker 1: Like there might be a like there might be something
Speaker 1: of Shaw just wants to find out, and David could
Speaker 1: give that speech about Hallway still want to find out
Speaker 1: and that way it works better if it's just her
Speaker 1: and David there. So there could be. It would make
Speaker 1: sense why there's more conversation where waveling, like he's there
Speaker 1: and he gets like you said, he has punched, he dies.
Speaker 1: It's like it's kind of like a like a fart,
Speaker 1: which it's like a cloud far. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I think they're trying to show some sort of he's
Speaker 1: an arrogant guy that just thinks he can get away
Speaker 1: at this and this guy's gonna give him life, and
Speaker 1: that could be another reason why these engineers are disappointing them, right, Like,
Speaker 1: you can't even accept that you're gonna die. You're doing
Speaker 1: this whole expedition just to not for the betterment of mankind,
Speaker 1: just a betterment of so whalan can live longer?
Speaker 2: Right, so you could live with your own failure. Where
Speaker 2: did that bring you back to me? And then he
Speaker 2: just fucking decks him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, tear any notes on the engineers how they feel
Speaker 1: it thanos because he owns them. Is there any any
Speaker 1: notes there yet? Ah?
Speaker 2: You should.
Speaker 1: That's a question for maybe alien versus avengers. Well maybe
Speaker 1: in the comic books, you know, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I I like all your thoughts there. I
Speaker 3: feel like I would need I don't I like need
Speaker 3: to watch it again from that perspective, because I feel
Speaker 3: they didn't have issues with those scenes. But what you're
Speaker 3: saying there makes a lot of sense. I I like
Speaker 3: what you were saying too, but like the pacing shift
Speaker 3: there from the surgery section just into like the end
Speaker 3: and stuff and then kind of just splitting it up
Speaker 3: with the Whalen stuff. I wonder if they felt when
Speaker 3: they were making this that that reveal would be like
Speaker 3: as big of reveal as like the alien at the end,
Speaker 3: Like people are so nostalgic and know so much about
Speaker 3: this that they're like, Whalen's alive, Like he's set up
Speaker 3: at the start of the movie, like with the hologram,
Speaker 3: so it's like he's he's there, put in front of you.
Speaker 3: But I like, I don't think it it comes across
Speaker 3: as strongly as they wanted it to in that regard.
Speaker 3: But maybe it's also just a pacing thing of yeah,
Speaker 3: we're gonna have like a ton of intensity for like
Speaker 3: twenty minute, like we need something in the middle that
Speaker 3: kind of slows the movie down a little bit, perhaps
Speaker 3: especially because that that surgery scene is so freaking intense.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's that's a good point for sure, because
Speaker 3: I don't think Whalen has like a huge impact. Like
Speaker 3: if I'm ranking my favorite characters in this movie, he
Speaker 3: doesn't really track in the in the top there. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's not in it a whole lot. It's must be
Speaker 3: like a last minute reveal kind of thing. I mean,
Speaker 3: I like the the idea of course that he's going
Speaker 3: through like whatever means necessary. Similar to how Charlie's like,
Speaker 3: I'll do anything to get this information, he feels very
Speaker 3: much the same way. Whaland is where he'll put all
Speaker 3: of his resources. He doesn't care who dies in the process.
Speaker 3: He just wants to meet the people that made him
Speaker 3: and he'll do anything to get there, which is great.
Speaker 3: But as you guys talked about there, but the I
Speaker 3: think maybe my favorite section in this is the surgery sequence.
Speaker 3: I just think it is so freaking well done. It
Speaker 3: is so intense, it is disgusting, it is terrifying, It
Speaker 3: is pays super well the sound effects. I think her
Speaker 3: acting in that like she just sells it so hard.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that sequence is just fantastic and gross.
Speaker 1: So it's very gross. Yeah, and I think it's like
Speaker 1: a good makes clearly the things cgi I think they
Speaker 1: do their best to make it look good. There's some
Speaker 1: practical stuff there where on the actual set. They like
Speaker 1: filled up a condom so that when they cut it
Speaker 1: would have like that same kind of bursting effect and everything.
Speaker 2: So it is with these alien movies. Eh, what always
Speaker 2: a condom? With these alien movies.
Speaker 1: I think it makes sense the way they make them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess. I think it's the way that makes sense
Speaker 1: or because they're like in this Yeah, and plus like
Speaker 1: when you tie it and like a condom that is
Speaker 1: filled up, it's like a like a ballue, like one
Speaker 1: of those like water balloons in the sense by the
Speaker 1: fact they don't want to use water balloons because it
Speaker 1: would just pop easy, right, So with a condom, they're
Speaker 1: supposed to be protection. But that's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: Don I think your hunters right on the Whalen thing.
Speaker 1: I think they thought that was gonna be big, which
Speaker 1: is odd because I remember you watched in the first time.
Speaker 3: Nothing like it.
Speaker 2: It's no, but it's not.
Speaker 3: It's not like a huge monolithic secrets.
Speaker 1: But I feel like they kind of showed their hand
Speaker 1: because they multiple times have Fastbender and Charlie's be like
Speaker 1: what did he say? I remember even the first watch like, oh,
Speaker 1: so Whalen's not this guy's not dead, he's he's there,
Speaker 1: So it was it was an odd choice. I thought
Speaker 1: to even have scenes where him and Charlie's are talking
Speaker 1: about what he would want, and David's going back in
Speaker 1: the cancuns to go look at like, oh, look at
Speaker 1: the look at the like he has a camera on everything.
Speaker 1: It's like, why is he doing this? Because he's doing
Speaker 1: this alone and Charlie says, hey, patch me in, So
Speaker 1: he already was going there by himself. Charlie didn't send
Speaker 1: him out there right away. So yeah, it's not nothing.
Speaker 1: I think there's just like ways they could have handled
Speaker 1: a little bit better. But you know, rip mm hmmm
Speaker 1: rip RP to Whaland. Yeah, hopefully Bishop is a their
Speaker 1: job Bishop the third or whatnot? So anything else specifically
Speaker 1: we haven't talked about, did.
Speaker 5: You guys see the I guess this might have been
Speaker 5: like an alternate start with Whaland where he's kind of
Speaker 5: doing like a seminar.
Speaker 3: It's like a deleted scene, is what you're saying.
Speaker 5: Might be a deleted scene. Yeah, he's it's like young
Speaker 5: Whalen and he's talking about technology. I think he's going
Speaker 5: over the whole like Promethe kind of origins, right.
Speaker 1: I think he's deleted or they actually used Guy Pierce
Speaker 1: for a lot of like viral marketing stuff when he
Speaker 1: as young Guy Pierce and everything, which that was a
Speaker 1: and maybe that was another reason why I didn't think
Speaker 1: Whale was dead, because like, well it skuy Piers. He
Speaker 1: has to come back, right, like he's a bigger act.
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing where they kind of show their
Speaker 1: hand to him pretty well that take up. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I like that.
Speaker 2: Old meat that's been left out too.
Speaker 1: Old war anything else? Oh my goodness. Okay, so I
Speaker 1: talked about Yeah, used Orchestra play for his compositions backwards
Speaker 1: and digitally reversed them for the final film, So very
Speaker 1: very cool. For the Alien Planet Creatures technology, Ridley Scott
Speaker 1: instructed design teamed Aim for a look that logically could
Speaker 1: come before Alien but not rely too heavily on hr
Speaker 1: Jiger's original famous art. But the exact opposite happened because
Speaker 1: they started to look at his unused art for the
Speaker 1: original Alien in and then eventually they just brought that
Speaker 1: set design the production designer back. So the new team
Speaker 1: worked with the guy did the old one, and then
Speaker 1: sadly enough he had a fatal injury I guess in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen since last movie worked on. But kind of
Speaker 1: a fitting way that you know, he got to come
Speaker 1: back and help with that, so kind of funny. Really
Speaker 1: he's like, don't look at his stuff, and then they
Speaker 1: looked at it, and he's like, well, okay, just come
Speaker 1: just go get them back just right, because like if
Speaker 1: you're just gonna look at it, let's just get the
Speaker 1: guy that created all this stuff. So but a lot
Speaker 1: of these designs were like some of I imagine like
Speaker 1: the Needo more for like the you know, the I
Speaker 1: don't know, I doubt the engineers, but a lot of
Speaker 1: the alien designs I imagine, like the snake, were things
Speaker 1: that were original concept and ideas for the Xenomore back
Speaker 1: in the day, but they didn't use them. So talked
Speaker 1: about Charlie Saron. Yeah, she was originally cast a Shaw,
Speaker 1: which I like Natooria paced a lot so and I
Speaker 1: think again I was this point of how Vickers went.
Speaker 1: But I think Charlie did a very good job as Vickers,
Speaker 1: and I was very I like the character.
Speaker 3: A lotelebates that role that could otherwise be pretty one note.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I was gonna say it too. Throughout the film,
Speaker 2: like she's just portrays this cold hearted, like asshole, like
Speaker 2: she's just doesn't care, like you know, she's willing to
Speaker 2: close the door on this crew like it's just crew
Speaker 2: expendable type of attitude. And Tell Holloway is just like
Speaker 2: just do it. You know, he's doing the man of
Speaker 2: Steel thing like don't like like just just let me
Speaker 2: have it, and like you actually see like her humanity
Speaker 2: in that moment of like I just fucking chart this
Speaker 2: man and he's just like screaming in down in front
Speaker 2: of her.
Speaker 1: Funny enough you should bring up because I got trivia
Speaker 1: know it about one. I was gonna say forgout to
Speaker 1: shout out that scene where he's looking in his eye
Speaker 1: an they're like.
Speaker 2: Oh man, very prey. Like there's some some some prey
Speaker 2: uh similarities in this film for sure.
Speaker 1: I'm just singing about the you've seen that thing. And
Speaker 1: I love the descent too, where he's in the like
Speaker 1: they're all together in the tram getting ready to go,
Speaker 1: and David looks and just says some line just like
Speaker 1: you know, like good luck out there and always just
Speaker 1: like I think this fucking robot did something like like
Speaker 1: he just he doesn't know no, oh but he just
Speaker 1: like I love Logan. Marshall Green is a very underrated actor.
Speaker 1: I talked about the show Traveler many times, the Geek. First,
Speaker 1: he was in that show that was canceled after one season.
Speaker 1: But everyone go watch Upgrade. He's and oh watch the
Speaker 1: The Invitation. That is a fucking great horror movie. He's
Speaker 1: the lead of it.
Speaker 2: And it's good.
Speaker 1: No, not at all, Okay, All is his his ex
Speaker 1: wife and and her new husband invite him to a
Speaker 1: dinner and it is a while it is. Watch it.
Speaker 1: It's a disturbing movie, lots it like. It is worth
Speaker 1: a watch. It's really good. So I'm a fan of him. Plus,
Speaker 1: he was the original Shocker in the MCU. Don't forget Anyways.
Speaker 1: For the scene where Vicker sets infected hallway on fire,
Speaker 1: Charlie's there on wild It a real flamethrower emitting real fire.
Speaker 1: She was excited to perform the scene when reading the script,
Speaker 1: but began has second thoughts upon realizing she actually setting
Speaker 1: the stuntming on fire. She ultimately agreed to perform the Sun,
Speaker 1: but the shot of her appearing shocked while setting him
Speaker 1: on fire was her natural reaction. The shot was kept
Speaker 1: in the film because the filmmakers saw it the breaking
Speaker 1: character was a good reflection of normalcy instead of the
Speaker 1: icy emotionals Vickers. So that wasn't even in the script.
Speaker 1: That was just Chart least reacting to this man on
Speaker 1: fire and they're like, let's keep this, So yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: It was a good call there, so fun note there
Speaker 1: other characters who were up for Vickers or actors was
Speaker 1: Michelle Yell and Angelina Jolie. They were discussed about and
Speaker 1: then obviously way before I'm not sure if this was
Speaker 1: before there on or after thereon dropped out for Shaw.
Speaker 1: But some of the other people talked about was Jim Arton,
Speaker 1: Caraen Mulligan, Olivia Wilde and halfway Abby Cornish and Natlie
Speaker 1: Portman were all Conserva role Shaw. So you got got
Speaker 1: going on there. I talked about Ridley his number one
Speaker 1: choice for he didn't want anyone but fast Spender, so
Speaker 1: they spent a little more on him. Uh. He won
Speaker 1: the screenplay dress for the original Alien. There was a
Speaker 1: sex swen between Ripley and Dallas to show how crew
Speaker 1: members would engage in casual sex during space travels. They
Speaker 1: never filled the scene, but Ridley had the idea to
Speaker 1: bring it back for Vickers and Janic, So I guess
Speaker 1: there's pretty probably there's a scene of Ripley and dads,
Speaker 1: like probably just beat for the exact same scene, So
Speaker 1: they brought it back. So it's kind of cool using
Speaker 1: someone from a script like almost forty years later. So
Speaker 1: Ridley Scott, this is my last point, fought bitterly with
Speaker 1: twenty Fox Century executives over including the space jockey in
Speaker 1: the original Alien. Ironically, this very character forms the nucleus
Speaker 1: of the plot for Mametheus and its sequel. I did
Speaker 1: not find I need to do a deeper dive, but
Speaker 1: I could not find interviews or reasons why he did
Speaker 1: not want to include space shockey. I would just thought
Speaker 1: they built the set and he would have been like,
Speaker 1: that looks cool. But maybe he just thought it implied
Speaker 1: like a greater world or a greater thing. He didn't
Speaker 1: want that. But yeah, I guess, And I don't know
Speaker 1: why Fox fought for it either, Like it's a weird
Speaker 1: issue where they build this thing and he goes I
Speaker 1: don't want this in the movie, and Fox says you've
Speaker 1: got to have in the movie, and obviously it spawns
Speaker 1: this movie, but I I want to look at more
Speaker 1: of why he didn't want it and why the Fox
Speaker 1: was probably thinking sequels. But yeah, so kind of funny
Speaker 1: note that it became this big deal from later on. So, uh,
Speaker 1: tayar Field, what are you gonna give this movie? What's
Speaker 1: your final thoughts in a rating? Here?
Speaker 5: Ah? Like I said before, I like how beautiful this
Speaker 5: film is. I like how it starts about some of
Speaker 5: the things that kind of unfold near the end, including
Speaker 5: like just some of the character things. I feel, well,
Speaker 5: I can believe that the chaos kind of happens really
Speaker 5: really quickly. And I say that because you have what's
Speaker 5: going on inside the ship, you have what's going on
Speaker 5: with the C section, Like, there's a lot going on
Speaker 5: that as captain of the ship, you think, I just
Speaker 5: saw it could kind of keep tabs. But she doesn't.
Speaker 5: He doesn't know that there's an alien birth out of
Speaker 5: a shaw. He doesn't know exactly well, he does know
Speaker 5: that they're going to go meet one of these things.
Speaker 5: There's just so much going on, and David's got his
Speaker 5: ulterier motives. So it's just a bit chaotic having all
Speaker 5: of these converging plots overlapping each other and kind of unfolding,
Speaker 5: and then you get just a lot of things that
Speaker 5: have unfolded in the end. So that being said, I
Speaker 5: feel like I could probably go comfortably like a like
Speaker 5: a seven point five. Again, that's me being generous because
Speaker 5: I'm not rushing to rewatch this one anytime soon, but
Speaker 5: every once in a blue moon you can put it
Speaker 5: on and it's just it's a really, really, really interesting
Speaker 5: and engaging movie to watch. And I enjoyed it when
Speaker 5: I put it on the other day just because it's
Speaker 5: been a while and just getting sucked back into this
Speaker 5: world and it's it's bold, and I you know, kudos
Speaker 5: to to really Scott for doing something that was not
Speaker 5: the classic Zeno more oriented, and something that was focused
Speaker 5: on a story that he clearly really wanted to tell
Speaker 5: for a long time, considering this debacle with the other
Speaker 5: Alien films and him being shafted with a VP and
Speaker 5: all that stuff. So yeah, I think I think that
Speaker 5: it's it's a it's got its place amongst the Zeno films,
Speaker 5: but I definitely know where I would put it amongst
Speaker 5: those you.
Speaker 1: Know films onto that for after omeless.
Speaker 2: So tell me right now, you tell us now, I
Speaker 2: will tell you right now. This movie eight point five
Speaker 2: out of ten for me. I think it's just ten
Speaker 2: out of ten opening to this film first act, fantastic
Speaker 2: performances to be expected with this many big names and faces.
Speaker 2: I remain to this day a little bit underwhelmed with
Speaker 2: Guy Pierce. I don't think I am a big guy Piers.
Speaker 1: Fan, oh like just as the actor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't.
Speaker 1: And you've seen Memento.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was very.
Speaker 2: Let down by that film. I have very high expectations
Speaker 2: going into it. But you know, sure he's a nice guy.
Speaker 2: We'll see one day.
Speaker 1: But Time Machine two thousand got bothering you with that characters.
Speaker 1: Let's get bothering you cooking the Turtle show.
Speaker 2: So yeah, some some issues with the third acts, maybe
Speaker 2: some mispotential is like the big thing there, but world
Speaker 2: building is just fantastic for this film, and uh, Big
Speaker 2: Rids it just keeps doing it. So, uh see what.
Speaker 1: Big Rids a lot of here two for you guys, right,
Speaker 1: that's yeah next, So there you go.
Speaker 2: So exactly. Yeah, good flight Star, mister Muss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I hit a great time rere you watching this.
Speaker 3: I man, I feel like I really need Covenant to
Speaker 3: round out answer some questions for me here, But I
Speaker 3: don't know. I I I had a good time with
Speaker 3: this though it's still a lot, you know, It's not
Speaker 3: an all timer for me, but I think it is
Speaker 3: a really fun time. I'm going eight point two five,
Speaker 3: lower than Kirkland, oh, but higher than an eight mathematic
Speaker 3: respect speaking.
Speaker 1: Sorry kirkm threw me off by send me a trader
Speaker 1: for The Invitation The Vampire? Why not that's a good movie.
Speaker 3: Is there even a lot of movies called the Invitation?
Speaker 1: Invitation? I gotta confirm now this is Logan Green here.
Speaker 1: But anyway, so what I yeah, it is twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: There you go watch that one. Uh yeah, nine out
Speaker 1: of ten for me on this one. I think if
Speaker 1: the third was a bit stronger, I get get to
Speaker 1: the full point maybe the story basically eight, but I
Speaker 1: think that nine is just for like technical stuff. Again,
Speaker 1: love the way this movie looks, sound feels. I like
Speaker 1: this is where like I hope the TV show could
Speaker 1: be like this, not exactly, but if it's like whatever,
Speaker 1: it is because it's Earth, but I hope it has
Speaker 1: a similar thing where Okay, you're not gonna have the
Speaker 1: budget of the show, but maybe just world building, facts,
Speaker 1: interesting characters. That's what I really hope can happen. And uh, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I'm there's always like a little bit of a disappointment
Speaker 1: with me while I'm excited for us to get to Covenant,
Speaker 1: but like the there's aspects of these two movies that
Speaker 1: are just never gonna go be talked about because the
Speaker 1: box office just wasn't there for Covenant. So but I
Speaker 1: can still watch this even though this ends in like
Speaker 1: a very cliffhanger way of or need to go find
Speaker 1: the New World and find what's gonna happen. It is,
Speaker 1: So there's that where you can't really just watch it
Speaker 1: by itself. But for the most part, great film. And yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't remember the last time I watched it, but
Speaker 1: I think I returned this one every couple years. I
Speaker 1: feel like I don't want to say anything because we
Speaker 1: got a rankings episode, So like these boys said, we'll
Speaker 1: wait until Ron this in August. So until next time,
Speaker 1: the next one we'll be talking about is Covenant. The
Speaker 1: very golden Geek's Worst film nominee, So it's gonna be
Speaker 1: very interesting to return back to that. Let's see, does
Speaker 1: it hold up that way? Have we changed our tune?
Speaker 1: I don't know, find out and won't be boring.
Speaker 2: Yes,