Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Alien Retrospective.
I'm the clown Prince of Creation dressed now I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I am the pup Kirkling Patzer.
Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Doylan Muss Neomorph Taylor Field.
Speaker 1: Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are back. We are reviewing
every single alien film in honor of Alien Ramas. We
also got two special episodes well where there'll be an
Alien Isolation side quest with Dylan Taylor, and then we're
also going to review some alien comics when they fight
the the Avengers and then the Predators fighting Black Panther
or something something like that. You know, but yeah, lots
of stuff leading up to that in August. So go
back in the feeds. A bunch of them are there,
you can go. I guess at this point. I don't
know about the other ones, but at this point there's
probably a maybe.
Speaker 4: A Covenant there early.
Speaker 1: But we're getting here the end of this, so I
was just thinking about that right now. It's like usually
like oh, we got this, it's like no, I guess, really,
there's not too many. We're reviewing them in a weird order,
but the time people are listening to this in the public,
there's just Covenant and Isolation the combook one left, so yeah,
we're getting near the end.
Speaker 3: We also do have an original review of Covenant out
there if people want to listen.
Speaker 1: We do. Yes, you can go back and probably no, no, no,
back in the basement days. But yeah, we will be
re recording it because uh, Kirkland has ever seen it
and we want to revisit. It's been older than five years,
but today we were revisiting or seeing I don't know,
why don't we get everyone's story Prometheus? This is the
uh it is now? Yeah, Okay, it's a prettyquel to Alien,
and you know, I'm gonna go first because that's why
I want to start with my thoughts here. Back in
the day when I saw this, the hubbub and hype
about this was just that Ridley Scott was making a
sci fi movie and everyone was like, is this connected
to Alien or not? They were not. They kind of
hid that close to their vest until after the fact
and it came out. I think we all kind of
figured out that it was, but they weren't being upfront
about it. And that's why the only real alien thing
is at the very last two minutes, right, So that's
something that I remember this movie being very mysterious and
people putting a lot of piece together trying to figure out.
I remember the press always being hey, is this an
alien prequel? Is there an alien in this? And Scott
like dodging. I can't even remember right time release. If
he finally said, yeah, there's something in there, I'd have
to go back and find But I remember the build
up to this movie because it was Scott. I don't
know what he had done before this's off to look
after all you guys were talking about. But I think
he was kind of a nothing's putting on anything, But
I don't know if there's anything great. And Scott does that, right,
he'll do something like this, and then a couple years
later he has some melons. Then he'll put out like
the Martian, like he does these things where every once
in a while he'll go put it you know, hopefully
that happens with Glady or two or just when you
start to doubt, really Scott, he goes and puts out
this juicy bang. You're like, okay, no, he's still he
still got everything he has there. So I remember the
lead up to this quite a bit. I saw it
was his previous movie definitely a bummer. So that's where
it was like, does he still have it? You know?
Speaker 2: Not on the up and up now though, So glad
you here? Two has to be good, you know, well,
what is.
Speaker 1: It that's your objectory? Yeah? Because Dan does it go?
Does it go? Prometheus? The Martian? Or is the Martian
after Covenant?
Speaker 3: My god, this guy's worked on a lot of movies.
Speaker 1: He has worked in a lot of movies.
Speaker 3: Prometheus, you want to go before or after?
Speaker 1: No? After Prometheus? Yes, so he does? Oh that's down?
Speaker 3: And then the Martian?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Counselor One of my most disappoint movies all time.
Cameron Diaz, Penelope Cruise, Michael Fastpender, Brad Pittjavier Bardem Crime Thriller,
one of those boring fucking movies you'll see in your life.
The best thing about it is Cameron Diaz legitally has
sex with a car. And it's a really great scene
because Sabi Bardham is watching this and his it's like
a comedy scene. His facials are to die for. I
have heard scuttle but that the director's cut is actually better,
and Redley Scott is like a big like zach Snyry
has a lot ofctor cuts out there, even talk about
doing one for this, So this was more on the
same thing. Okay, can you return back to form because
you do a hit, And for me it was a
hit back then, and it's something that I think as
I've grown older, I like more and more and I
can definitely say I love this movie. It ain't a
perfect score. The third act is really messy. Things fall apart,
I think really fast, and the pacing is very odd
where I think act one, Act two or pace is
exact same movie that Act two or act three. Someone
just like Shaw gets like adrenaline shot and then it's
like and there's things left open and not in like
an osequel things where it's just like I was really
interested in this concept or this story and it ends
abruptly or it's not a satisfying conclusion. So it's no
way a perfect film. It's no way that it's a
ten to ten movie. But for me, it's the look
of this movie. It's like the Alien movie where this
offse is way more update and the visual effects are
way superior as far as the things they could do.
But I like that because in the Census is before that, right,
And it feels what I like about and I don't
like about The Stars prequel, where it looks new but
almost too new. This is like a good balance of
it looks like there's stuff where it hasn't gone through
a certain era, but it's not the you can see
it's like on the way to the Alien World, like
the Alien movie, not the Alien World like with Ripley
the seventies version. Right. I love the score. This is
a trivia fact that I've should say. But what I
loved but I learned today was they wrote the score,
they had everyone play it backwards, and then when they
put in the film, they reversed it to make it
go forward because they yeah, they wanted like it to
sound very odd and weird. So that's why it technically
is played the way it was written, but they played
it backwards. So that's why the score in this movie
I absolutely love. It has like this etheral just kind
of heavenly at times type of score. And that's where
as I've gotten older, I've appreciated war because I think
when I saw this one, this is twenty this well
it's twenty twelve, right, so it's like four twelve years ago.
I don't think I was in the headspace to think
about creation and that aspect of what David talks about
with God and why would someone create this and want
to know your creators? To me, it was just I
think honestly, at the first time, I was just like,
this is an alien movie, and that's all I was
curious about. And then I appreciate way more and more
every time I watch it Visually. I love it, score,
I love it. I love a lot of cinematography. I
love a lot of the ebbs and flows because it's
a slowly paced movie, very some of the first Alien movie.
But Act one, Act two I really like. And then
there's just an all star performance by Fastbender. He is
just like on a different level here. It's something that
I wouldn't think, but David is legitimately i'd have to
make like a villain's list, but I think he's in
that top twenty five. He's such an interesting character. He's
he's the most interesting Android, and honestly, I'd say the
most interesting character in the whole Alien franchise. When you
put even some stuff in Covenant, when you take what
this android, how he processes things and just the way
he goes about it. Yeah, really really, Like I said,
the third act, we'll get into there's some issues, and
I like sack cast. You know Naiomai pays Charlie. They're
on Charlie's there on Iris Elba, Sean Harris who ends
up becoming like a big part of Mission Impossible. You
got Katie Dicker, who is like a big part of
Game of Thrones. I think I'm missing somebody. Piers yea
and one was in there.
Speaker 5: He's address Elbow's co pilot.
Speaker 2: You got with the bet?
Speaker 3: Did you not recognize.
Speaker 1: No offense? Captain?
Speaker 5: But you're a ship pilot?
Speaker 1: Is he in his Okay?
Speaker 3: He's like he's very doubted that wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeahs are cracked. That's not that's not worth.
Speaker 3: That's Travis's strong suit is picking out actors.
Speaker 1: In the private chat, he looked very young, so that's
I did not I did not think that was him
at all. So there you go. But no, I, despite
some flaws in here, love this movie. Love's great memorable moments.
That's great character moments, and I'm excited to talk about it.
And in many times I don't like prequels. It's for
some reason which we'll get into me he just talked
about with AVP. I somehow don't have an issue with like,
if this is the origin of the Xenomorph, I feel
like I should be like this is a Travis got, like,
oh fuck, I don't need to know. But I don't
really mind it. Per se the Engineer space Jockey stuff,
there's some big like wow, that's some big leaps they
took there. But the actual Xenomorph I really don't mind,
especially in like it's sexual nature with this creature is
in the other movies, right, So yeah, that's my thoughts.
Speaker 2: I want's to take it to me thoughts. I'm gonna
go next. I it's funny I saw this in theaters
with the buddy of mine, shouts out to Carson. I
had absolutely no idea that this was related to Alien
at all. I mean, I like that you laid out
that they try to hide it. I also just probably
wasn't paying attention to like film stuff, and like, I
like I might have seen Alien at this point, maybe,
like I just wasn't really like engulfed in the universe.
I didn't probably didn't even know who Realley Scott was.
I don't know, like I just went into it as
blind as a bat. I remember the trail, like the
they went hard on the trailers, like it really looked
interesting of just the sci fi experience, similar to like
an interstellar type thing that we're just going beyond the stars,
just somewhere else to find life. And that was intriguing
enough for me. It's like the first time around, I
probably knew like Charlie's s Thearren and like that was
it for like the famous actors. So like now watching it,
it's just such a stacked cast, like it's it's actually
it blew my mind with how many people are like
side characters in this. It's like, holy fuck, Like all
of these are basically A listers. This is really impressive.
Speaker 3: They probably five people from the MCU and here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm curious if some of that was just
they want, like some people really to take like pay
cuts just to work with Ridley Scott. How like we
hear those stories of just uh was it Nolan that
did that with.
Speaker 1: I don't think so though, other than at least who
was a big star in twenty twelve. Here right, like
we look at it now, stack cast, but like now
we're a piss just had the girls draining tattoo. Fastpender
was just coming.
Speaker 6: Off No, no, no interesting me no, because I I
was just like, in hindsight, I just I take this,
this is same that they that they have now to
looking back.
Speaker 2: So like even Idris.
Speaker 1: Elba, like, I feel like Luther's what got him really popular,
and I don't know when that started, but I feel
any fast Beender, he I think he was just yeah,
Luther was twenty ten, so it was just like a
year or two before, so it wasn't that big. And
even when his first class shouts.
Speaker 2: Out as a casting director then because that's that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: Same thing first class as a year before. So I
feel like they probably got a lot of people like
right before they blew up like that. Apparently the only
one though that did was I don't know when he
was because because X men, Fastbender, I guess did have
a high price, because what happened was the studio didn't
want pay for him. And this is another part of
my trivia, but Scott was like, I don't want anyone
but Fastpender, so we pay for him. But I guess
he was second vill cool.
Speaker 5: Did you mention guy Pierce?
Speaker 1: Did you say that there, right, Yeah, but he would
have been had he would have had smaller rate because
he's not. He's in here for a day or two, right.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah Moldy Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 2: Going into this completely blind, I feel like this was
like the best way to experience this story too, because
I I mean, obviously I've seen probably a VP up
until this point at least twenty times, so I knew
the zeno more. Well, this is twenty twelve, right, so
I was like maybe more watched it, but like so
at the end with like the reveal that was like,
oh my god, this is in the alien universe, like
like that actually blew my mind, like in the theater.
So it was really hype. This was a fantastic first viewing.
I feel like when we get into some of the
engineer stuff, it just went completely over my head. This
is actually my only second time seeing this movie since
that time, so and again now that we've gone through
the retro to like just to have that supplemented kind
of knowledge of the universe going into it. You know,
the lore from AVP, the crucial lore from that movie
thring Ino here No I'm kidding, uh so like that stuff,
it really made that first viewing special and watch it now.
I I I think this is a fantastic movie. I'm
not gonna say I love this movie. I I the
first act though, like it's a tenant of ten. It's
a tenant of ten. First act. It's like just vible.
It's yeah, it's like doing level of like world building
and just going on this like grandiose adventure of like
across the stars, and just when everyone's coming out of
their hyper sleep, we have David just doing his thing
like on the ship like man, I I've eaten that
stuff up and I want this game. Like yeah, like
like it's it's so fantastic. When they get to the planet,
just all the design of everything, all of the attention
to detail, with every little gadget, with the pups as
my name signifying, or when when you have I dress
on the ship and then and the pups are mapping
it out and they're just looking at this like three
dimensional rendering that's real time. And then he like comes
back to it in the middle of the night and
the pups are just still like just like scaling this place.
So like all of those little things is just I
love the world building of this Adventure. I have quite
a few issues with the third act, and I think
that's what really brings this movie down for me, which
is quite unfortunate. But yeah, like I still think the
thriller aspect and the suspense like really was able to
really I think tap similar veins that the first movie
had in that level of suspense, which is crazy because
that is like a very claustrophobic type movie. I guess
there's areas of this movie that have that effect, but
for the most part, like it's a lot more larger
scale than what the first one is. But I feel
like there's certain moments that happen really quickly, and it
just like ramps up to the intensity scale, like when
Buddy gets the thing on his arm and it's like, oh,
it's a cute little arm. It just like within forty seconds,
like it's just like escalates to these guys just get
apps incapacitated. And I remember like seeing that in the
theater and just like shocked because you're just you're not
expecting it. It's like, Okay, it's a creepy alien thing.
And then yeah, like I said, like forty seconds later,
they're both just off and like the music ramps up
in those moments. Good shout out Travis with the score.
I obviously didn't know all the details of that, but yeah,
the score definitely stand out.
Speaker 1: Well, like fucking halloway Man that is talking about a
zero to one hunder situation of he's kind of cough
to Charlie's fucking burned him on the ramp like I
knew him. I didn't even imagine if you were Shaw
like processing that day in your mind, like it's yeah, no,
I think you're ready. It's like it's more like it's
like quick fires. It's like a quick jab death instead
of like long drawn out and some of those men
I just think about just yeah, the arm one just so.
Speaker 2: That's like the most brutal one for me. But yeah,
this movie, I think what they do well, they do
like perfect like ten ten, Like it's just it's just
beautifully uh executed. But yeah, I mean I'm excited to
kind of break down some of the stuff that happens
with the engineers and the third act because, like you know,
just in hindsight, like thinking about this movie, I'm like, yeah,
I don't really remember all the details of that, but
I'm excited to really pay attention to it now on
this viewing, and then I pay attention and I'm like, oh, okay,
they just it's just I don't know, it's just okay,
doomsday device. It's kind of what I remember, but less
detail than I was hoping to get maybe on this
next viewing. But yeah, fantastic movie. And I'm really excited
now to see Alien Covenant because I still haven't seen
that movie. So that's gonna be really fun.
Speaker 3: Very nice. Uh, I'll jump in here next. So I
definitely don't think I saw this in theaters, but I
think I saw it pretty close to when it came out.
I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I don't know what would have led me in the
year twenty twelve, back when I was still in high school.
Speaker 1: I don't really would have.
Speaker 3: I feel like, I guess probably watching the Arrested development,
but I wouldn't have been like, oh, her funny role
in Rested Vilma, I gotta go see what she's doing
in this in this sci fi epic. But whatever, it was,
something drew me to this movie. Maybe it was a friend,
maybe it was Briggs. Honestly, it might have been might
have been Briggs. I feel like I watched it a
couple of times and then watching watched it again prior
to Covenant for sure, and yeah, I feel like of
all these ones that we've gone through, it's like, yeah,
I've seen all these alien movies before except for AVP
and man, I just I remembered very little about them,
Like coming to this retro felt very fresh, like it
was almost first time viewings for a lot of them.
But Prometheus, I'm like, man, I remember all of this,
Like this is very sounds very strong in my brain,
even though I like, if you asked me a week ago,
it'd have been like, oh, I can't tell you a
lot of details, But seeing it again, I'm like, it's
all rushing back to me now. And yeah, I think
what you guys said, like just visually, like the epicness,
the scale of this movie, the world building. I hadn't
thought of it that way, but like the world building
of it, even if a lot of it is pretty simple,
I mean, it gets pretty zany at some points. Zany
is maybe the wrong word, but it just gets it
gets grander at some points. But man, I just I
just think this is such a great vibe, but such
a great place to be and hang out and spend
two hours just watching this movie. So I had a
really really good time rewatching it here. I think partly
in my brain, I've almost soured on this a bit
because I really didn't like Covenant, and at this point
I couldn't even really tell you what I don't like
about Covenant anymore. It's been so long I forget. I'm
excited for that rewatch, But I know one thing I
did not like was the use of Fastbender, So I
feel like because of that, I almost forgot that he
was in this and how fucking good he is. He
is amazing at playing an android, which we know, we've
seen people have their different spin on it. But I
think there's something about just his posture, even like his body,
like he's so much just a slender guy that it
comes a call like you've see him from certain angles,
like from the side, and he's so freaking slim. It's
like unsettling in a way. It's like, how is this
a man? But it's like, oh, he's not a man
in this movie. It just makes you feel weird in
the best way possible. And some of the dialogue around
his character is great, and I think just across the board,
Like going back through all his alien movies, one of
the I guess prevailing things for me. He's like, man,
I really don't care for the cast of characters in
these movies. Generally there's like maybe two maybe three characters
that I'm invested in or I find interesting to some extent.
But in this one, I think they do such a
good job of like all these characters have different motivations.
You have people who are just there for a job,
whether it's the captain who doesn't care about any of
the science stuff. He's just there, he's just the transporter.
We have the scientists, people who are there for different
but then there's just like even factions within the scientists
of some of them care more about other things. And
then you have David and his motivations. And then Vickers
is the name of Charlie's thrown like her motivations as well,
really really fun different dynamics that are just seeing the
push and pull of what everyone wants out of this
mission is just really compelling stuff. I think I've less
problems with the third act than you guys do, so
I'm curious to hear where those issues are. I can
definitely see where some of them come from. But yeah,
I think this movie is just fantastic. And I think
maybe my last point here at the opening is just
there's so many ways that this movie kind of calls
back to things we've seen in Alien before, but I
think they do it in a very playful way where
it's like just a slight variation or something different, or
maybe it's just that modern lens with modern technology, whatever
it is, but it makes everything feel fresh, even if
a lot of it is things we've seen them before,
going into a mysterious base, finding the a catchlings, having
the face hard, it's things we've seen before. But because
of what you guys mentioned, like with the arm, like
they just they switch it up in a way that
makes it still intense all these years later. And part
of that is because it can look a lot better,
not like because the CGI is here, but the CIG
is actually good, you know, for once in the Alien
movies at least with AVP, you know, better and better
as we as we said, But yeah, really just land
it sticks to landing here. So yeah, I'm really excited
to break down some of the more details with this one.
This is a really really fun rewatch and it's funny
like the d this, I'm like, man, I have so
many questions and I know a lot of them are answered,
and Covenant, I just can't remember what those answers are.
So I'm I'm excited to see Covenant again, which is
which is a good thought and hope I am less
disappointed now that I'm way more in the headspace for
Alien now than I think I like Before Covenant, I
probably watched Prometheus and that was it. I don't know
if I did the full rewatch of everything right, So yeah,
I'm excited for that one.
Speaker 1: Mister Field.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember going to the theater with my friends
and watching this and just being blown away at just
visually this movie is fantastic. Oh my goodness, and you
are getting some stellar performances in here.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: I went in knowing that this was part of the
Alien universe. I did not expect it to be so
heavily focused on the engineers, and so when we get
like the intro and just what humanity is up to,
I was just blown away. I thought it was fantastic.
I really liked it, but I personally wanted more of
the classic Zinos in this movie. That's something that I
kind of had in the back of my mind, and
I felt at the same time conflicted because I wanted
to get more information on this new story that they
were kind of exploring, and I felt like it was
just so open ended. That was it. And this was
a time when I didn't feel confident that we were
going to be getting a sequel to this Necessarily. I
wasn't perusing the forums, like like on Twitter, like we
really Scott, you know.
Speaker 1: I was a tweet it Ridley, Yeah, where's that fourth
Alien movie?
Speaker 5: Yeah. So that being said, though, I think this movie
has a lot of strong points, and I like a
lot of the characters and some of the just the cringey,
gross stuff. Oh my god. Oh it's just I remember
just squinting in the theater with my friends when we
were watching some of these some of these scenes because
they're just brutal, brutal, brutal, But it's just such a
cool area to explore. It's It's not a movie that
I'm always necessarily running back to to rewatch. I have
other ones in the Alien franchise that I will turn
to first before this one, but it's been a good
minute since I watched this one.
Speaker 2: Prior.
Speaker 5: So yeah, like I think it's at its core, a
part of me feels like it's just the movie that
really Scott did. It's like in lieu of the First Alien,
I feel like it's it's I don't want to say similar,
but I.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I don't know why really Scott really wanted to go
about it with this film when I feel like there
was more he could have told with alien being, like
that's you know, that was his his baby, right, that
was his creation. So I get you want to expand
on the engineers, but I don't know why you would
necessarily go and have Okay, well, the engineers. And this
is the biggest question I have of all, you have
the engineers that have the alien xenomorph eggs, and then
you have the humans being and this is more or
less explained I guess an alien covenant, but it seems
like humans have a big hand at least David has
a big hand with the creation of the neo morph
is what it's called, as we see in this movie.
And so that's what kind of confuses me because I
thought that this, you know, we're more or less their
own kind of thing. But again, that's up to interpretation
when you watch the first Dalilen movie, and so when
you get to hear they create this whole new setup
that Okay, the engineers are creating a lot of bioweapons
and different things like that. What's it called. I think
there was the pathogen, That's what it's called. So they're
creating these pathogens and it's just fucking up organics. And
so that's a neat concept. But I still feel like
it kind of clashes with that first Alien story at times,
just in terms of like how the creation is and
where David fits into that story. And maybe I just
overthink it. I should just take it for what it is.
Speaker 1: Because how does like David helping create an alien clash
with like that alien ending up on a ship and
just wrecking havoc. That's where I guess I'm confused.
Speaker 5: Well, because I don't understand, like we already know that
there's not many of these things supposedly left, And maybe
it's it'll be an easier thing to talk about after
we do Alien Covenant we kind of get that refresher
from it. Uh. I just feel like this is still
two hundred years before the first alien. So David created
the face hugger egg after doing a bunch of experimentation,
and then that goes off to being with the engineers.
The engineers take them and start dropping eggs and creating eggs,
putting eggs on ships everywhere, and like that. We know
in the first Alien movie that engineer ship was designed
to carry those eggs in there because there was like
a the guy's talking about how there's a layer here,
it's keeping them in like a stasis, and he's going
into detail about it all. So yeah, obviously one day,
I don't know, it's just seems.
Speaker 1: That's a sho way to Covenant, because Covenant they do
answer all that stuff. They answer how they really. Yeah,
they like because when you're like, oh, there's so few
of them, Covenant gives you the full answer of like
why these all these aliens would still be around all
these years later.
Speaker 3: I do remember a couple of those scenes.
Speaker 1: I don't I just watched it today as well. I
was just watching them all. So yeah, they full on
answer like how would this happen? Well, that's how what happens.
So that's why, like this Alien is like just supposed
to be the you know, the the volume one. It's
supposed to be like what starts it? You know, if
there's a there's no other one. But it's like that,
it's an Adam and Eve, it's a you know the
first person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, super Cliffhangery in this movie, of course.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they don't ever touch upon that again, right like,
So that's that's unfortunately, have loved scenes the Neomorph coming
out of the engineer that's never touched upon.
Speaker 1: I guess no, I guess it's left on this planet.
But it would be on that planet to now start
reproducing and everything like that, right like.
Speaker 5: But it would need other organics, right because these things
like you like, it's all the time in these movies.
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, you know, that's that's a whole lot of Covenant
is oh, let's stop of this planet. And then it's like,
oh shit, we shouldn't have stop this planet. So all
takes is one ship to land there. They're looking for
Prometheus because here's one little thing and Covenant they talk
about that it's legend that Prometheus went missing, so you
could think that maybe people when looking for them. So
if I think if one person lands down there, it's
not gonna go well, for like for the the Neinomorph,
like whatever, how are they re produce or whatever they do,
or they could just be self reproducing, right, We don't
know what the more neo morph does. Right, it could
be that true.
Speaker 5: I doubt it would be a self reproducing thing based
on really Scott because we look at that first movie
and how he want they wanted to do the alien.
Uh you have the face hugger out of the egg.
Face hugger impregnates human, Human, gives worth to alien, Alien
captures human, Alien turns human into an egg, egg, spouts
out face hugger face egg goes on human. When we
look at this movie, he's kind of mimicking that in
its own way, like you have pathogen put into man.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sleeps with woman, Woman gives birth to giant face
hugger faceugger triple or something. Yeah, it's the trilobite, I
think is Yeah, there's so many different stages of this
life cycle I get.
Speaker 1: I think that the thing at the end was just
to show what would happen if you do those experiments,
and that's what happens in coment where you do those
that lead to the alien ones. I think it's just
kind of like a caughttionary tale of Oh, this is
what if more of this happens, This is what would happen.
So I can't tell you what the neomorph's doing nowadays.
You know, maybe they're just hanging out there and doing
their thing, but I think it's like a mini version
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Speaker 5: Glad you mentioned it. But yeah, I think as much
as I love how this this movie starts, and there's
certain things that characters make, like Shirley's Theron's character. I
feel like they kind of they give you hope and
then they just snuff it.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know.
Speaker 5: That kind of like a disappointing end to with I
thought she would survive, but it only like within a
thirty seconds later she just dies. So there's not much
to that, but some of the.
Speaker 2: Things that she would have liked.
Speaker 1: To, yeah, I would have liked to for sure. That's
a calling for me. And like, no, I'm on the
Bandwagonna Taylor of hope because I'm like, I'm not like, oh,
I need Vickers to survive, like because I like the character.
She's an intriguing character and very interesting, and I feel
they don't do as much as they could, especially with
her and David. The last thing we see is hey,
turn your columns on camera. He gets the engineers, he
turns it off. They never interact ever again, and it's
very oh, I guess when Waylan's there, but I just
feel like one on one, it's just that feels like
it's such an interesting thing. Lots of people have a
theory that she's an android as well, Like there's lots
of stuff with the Vickers sing where and they have
good chemistry too, like that scene where she's intimidating him
and she's like just like face palm him against the
because he can't do anything right. It's like in its
protocol that like I imagine, you can't just go off
and start being up Vickers. So she's just like kind
of like almost like an abusive mother in a situation
with a child. And it's that character and a relationship
with her father. I think it's very interesting. And that's
a third act thing where I hate that she just
dies by she gets crushes, even if it to me
was David killing like something. The fact that she just
dies because something falls, it's like, oh, that's that's really right,
you know.
Speaker 5: That's where that's what I was referring to with the hope.
Because she ejects from the pod, I'm thinking, okay, like
there's hope here that she's gonna survive, she's gonna she'll
she'll make it out of this. But that's where it's
snuffed because no, she just runs and the ship crashes
on top of her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't put in the trivia. They do say
that when you are in that hya adrenaline, you do
just run forward, but it's still just buggs me every
single time watching this movie that they just continue to
run forward and then you know, uh, Shaw eventually turns
to the left. But Vickers is just so I get
that there's some scientific stuff behind it, but I wish,
just wish there was.
Speaker 2: A different way.
Speaker 3: And it's ship is so massive that you would not
be quick enough to get out of the I think
to me.
Speaker 1: The problem is the ship rolls for so long. It's
if it was an automatic that got it ounce right there.
But they're running for like thirty seconds. And that's where
I feel like, even if you can't be worth the try,
and Shaw rolls though she didn't even run, she rolls
out of the way, you know. So it's just I
don't know, I wish there was another way to gets rolled.
Speaker 2: She doesn't until she doesn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. You mentioned there is kind of a
theory out there that she is an android, because obviously
there's that joke that iNeST Elba has with her. But
I never I never really thought about it more than that.
I mean, now you mentioned it's like, yeah, she does
kind of have like I guess she almost like her
performance comes across as out of an android to extent,
I think she may be a bit too angry or
snarky relative for the ones we've seen before, which are
maybe a bit more like cool and calm on on
in terms of like I don't know, there's their general demeanor.
But you know, obviously if she looks different, we are
to believe that she would be of a different make
you know, she would be different skew because it seems
like the androids are like built, you know, all using
the same likeness. I guess, like if I'm buying the
David version, like they all look exactly the same lemons.
Speaker 5: So to counter this now, I think with her, she
obviously gets asked by dress of this character like are
you a robot? And she's she counters that with like, yeah,
we'll go sleep with each other. But then we also
know David wears the helmet to blend in or the
space suit he doesn't actually need it. But then when
she's about to eject from the pod, she's panicking like
she needs to put that suit on because it's her life, right.
Speaker 2: And add to that too, like why would she be
asleep like right when at the beginning, when David's awake
the whole time, like just getting knowledge, like why would
she have to do hyperd People point out the whole
jacked up afterwards, like do push ups but androids androids?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's people pointing out that, and people just
point out the whole thing is like it's like a
programming thing to her, like she could be android, but
it's like almost she has to an interesting concept.
Speaker 2: And that's something that's an avenue. I wish they went
on because I just kind of see her as a
wasted potential. Like I like the performance of Charlie's. I
think she's fantastic. It's just like I was waiting for
something else to happen, Like her interactions with David. I
think those were fantastic. Again, Like it that goes down
to the performance. It's just like I was waiting for
an interaction with that. I was waiting for a better
interaction maybe with Whalen. Like we just get to this
whole point and she's just like a disregarded child and
like that's just been her thing, that she's just never
been a good enough child in her father's eyes or
whatever it might be. And then she just gets crushed
by the ship at the end, Like it just seemed
like a lot of a waste to like we could
have just had, you know, like the tough what's even
her position because she's not the captain Actually I dresses
the captain.
Speaker 1: She's just yeah, the company.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's kind of like heading the mission though. Yeah,
I think she still has a like clearance level over him.
Speaker 1: She does. Yeah, but she also didn't have to go
because Whalen says that he's like, oh, I'm surprised you
actually came out, So she could have just hired somebody, right,
It's not like Walen's that, hey, you had to do this.
I think she just had to do this for X,
Y and Z. But she definitely has the higher ranking
than everybody. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I almost feel like it would make more sense if,
like the theory would be that she is like unknowingly
and android, like like somehow they've like, yeah, this model
is advanced enough that they maybe don't know. But then
it's like, well, that's never gonna be ever explored in
another movie again, so like what's the point of really
even breaking it down at that point? But that's interesting.
I would go team She's human if I had to pick, though.
Speaker 2: I would as well.
Speaker 1: I think so too, I think, because I think it
also makes the dynamic better with her and David that
Waylan kind of appreciates this created like hand created son
versus your actual natural born daughter, and there's that actual
hatred there. But I like it as like a like
a you don't know. That's how I take it in
when I watch, like, oh, could we be either way?
I like the unanswered question.
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting that he at the start of
the movie, David calls her mother and then at the
end she calls way than father, right, so like that
could be the angle, yes, like the creation, like does
she mean father's in creation or father is in uh.
Speaker 1: Like bio biologically.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, and I think so. And I
think the writer has said that he didn't intend it that,
like not intent like it has to be that. But
there's fun charts of the pros and cons list, and
I kind of like that. But again, all in all,
I just wish there was whether she's human robot, just
a better end to that story. It just kind of
feels like she's an afterma And I don't know if
I had anything to do with so originally she was.
I'm throwing all my trivia Earlier she was cast as Shaw,
but then she had scheduling conflicts and couldn't be Shaw,
so that's where they reduced to Roll to Vickers. So
that's why I also wanted that too. But it's just like, well,
we only got Charlie's for this amount. I still think
there's a better way to do it again. I still
think even like David, I don't know, killing her, but
something like him being setting her up in a way
to say, when he kind of set up hall Away,
I think there's more interests there, like some way. And
that's where somebody just strikes me and says, ah, did
they have her? And then it's like a we only
actually got like a week after Charlie's, Like I just
that it got crashed, like this is a big death
for like it's a you know, it's a it's a
cool visual moment, like the scale of its massive, you know,
like they do a great job make you feel like man,
like your your heart sinks. But I wish there was more.
But yeah, it's a fun character and I think Charlie
is uh is good. I always want to know more
about her.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I was thinking about that too,
Like at the end of this, if she were to
survive that the crash at least, like, what would she
do from there? Like, I like, maybe there's some tech,
maybe she could get a message out or you know,
a distress signal of some sort, but more than likely
she would get fucked up by the neo more and
then like maybe that would continue to cycle or something.
But it's like I don't I don't think there's maybe
there's food on this planet, but I think the idea
is that like the engineers have like intentionally kind of
killed this planet to something. Yes, life on it, right,
So I don't know what she would have done.
Speaker 5: The life pod, right, that's two years of life and
that's prolonging your death that's gonna come.
Speaker 1: So there you go two years? Or does she just
catch a ryot with David and uh, I guess that
probably pretty solid electronics and until I get a message out,
but who knows.
Speaker 3: Like they're really far away from civilization right, so.
Speaker 2: Well they were they were in cryo sleep for what
over two years? So if anyone's gonna come savor like
they gonna leave now.
Speaker 1: Hooped, But you might got to put speed on that.
She's the whaling air, right, so you can get a
big bank if you find a way, But.
Speaker 3: Then you have whoever is next in line after her,
and maybe they you know David, they try their best
to hide that so that they can kill.
Speaker 5: Like Burke, they're turning the camera.
Speaker 1: Off and that's like not not to like not to
like like tangent Us. But that's I'm so curious what
the Alien TV show us because that's the movie, and
then we know what Romulus is. But like the Alien
Earth one, it's like, I feel like they're gonna have
some of these dynamics. I'm not saying they're going to
tie into Prometheus in Covenant, because I think they might
pass those by. And that's gonna say you're talking about
like why did he go this route? I think it's
just like because like also, you had the two a
VP movies, which like the Action once and then he
had all those sequels. I just don't know what more.
And he felt that way too, because the people don't
know Neil blomb Camp. He was working on an alien
movie with Signorey Weaver and they're bringing back Hicks and everything,
and they're bringing back Newt and they were gonna do
just a sequel from after two. They're gonna ignore all
the other ones and do that sort of thing. And
I think, for whatever reason, you know, pro con because
some people wish they got that instead of this. I
think he just didn't feel there was any more to explore,
like in the future and even the eighties. Remember he
was pitching like, if I come back, I really want
to tell like the how they were creat So I
think for him as a creator, he just didn't feel
like the sequels as cause, and I kind of agree
with him. Once we had to three and four, it's like,
there's not more you can really there is more you
can do, but I guess it just wasn't the wasn't
worth the risk of those movies. I don't think they
added enough to be like, oh, these sequels really feel
like we need to expand the story. I think Aliens
I'm fine with, but then the rest of them, I
just go, well, is there any move forward? Because even Romulus,
like I'm excited, but like, even look at Evil DEVI with,
he just does like Eield dead again but updated and
a bit more gnarly and whatnot. I think this is
gonna be what Alien Romins is. I think it's just
gonna be like alien aliens put together with a new
fresh coat of pain. I don't think it's gonna be
about maybe a couple.
Speaker 3: Of Easter eggs in there that the fans can like really
dig into in terms of what it means for the
Greater Loure.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well, I think really Scott, especially at that age,
want to talk about creation and what does it mean
to be a faith person versus a science based person,
where I don't think rominss is gonna do that. I
think Romins is gonna be gnarly, let's fight and escape
some aliens. So I think that's just why he wanted
to do this, just try.
Speaker 5: To make people question their gods.
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 4: And I'm my favorite scene, not that none, Okay, one
of my fas I will say my favorite, but one
of my favorite scenes is when David's talking a Holloway
and he's like, well, why did you create us.
Speaker 1: Just because we could? And he says, wouldn't that be
so disappointed if you got that answer? And that creates
such a dynamic where we think about God like for us.
Speaker 3: If we think about his response to that too, of well,
you can't get this a good thing. You can't get disappointed, then,
is it? And David I all conversation out. I love
that conversation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good. And what I love in that thing
too is before he poisons Halloway, he like checks with him.
He's like, would you do anything to get your answers?
And he says yes, there, Well let's toast that. So
it's almost like if Halloway said no, he wouldn't have
done it. Like that's like because there's like a distinctive
thing there. And that's what I love about all these humans,
same thing. We talk about life and death. But when
they get the answer of you know, one they were
just created because the engineers could and two the engineers
looked at humans, says ah, this was a mistake. We
screwed up. So it's like somewhere like let's say right
now twenty twenty four, we have creators that are watching us.
You know what, this is a fail experiment. Let's just
exile this and start over. So that's what I I
love those questions where I don't think if you move
forward an alien and it's just you're fighting the Zeno
more fucking covenant, I don't think you can get those
and rownless. I don't think you're gonna get those either.
It's not gonna be what is my place in the world.
It's just oh, this guy, there's a I'm pregnant with
any alien again?
Speaker 5: You know that topic of conversation there, it's I think
it's it's a great scene and yeah, my go Fastbener
just fucking kills it. Uh Now there's It makes me
laugh because you have Guy Pearce's kind of dialogue with
Shaw where he's like, oh, what would I can't remember
his name, but what would he do? You know he died,
but we're so close to talking to them and asking
hill Wallay, Halloway died, what would you do now? Like
we're so close to ask a supporting question human history?
Yeah yeah, yeaha like we found them alive. And then
Shaw goes to tell that to the captain. I just
alba literally she says the same thing and he just
he turns her. And I love this so much because
he's like, I don't care, yeah, and I think that's great.
Speaker 1: And then because that shows the ideologies where we talked
about that like on After nine like that, like that's
where I am religious wise, where I'm not I can't
remember what the term is. I'm not like, A, no, yeah,
I'm not a non believer in God. I'm not believing
in God. But in that situation of that, k you
meet your creators or I can get out of here.
I don't need that question answered. I'm gonna go live
my life. So irisselfa I like, but he's like, yeah,
I don't give a fuck about this, let's just leave.
But she and her husband are very faith based or
they want to see this through, right, And that's where
iris Elba is just like the greater good for him
and his crew. They still sacrifice himself. But why does
he do that so that won't go to Earth or
wherever and mess everything up? Yeah, exactly right. And that's
where you see between David, between Whalen, between Holloway and Shaw.
You don't get them vicars, vicars just there for the money,
that's what she gets about. But iris Alva, you see
about four to five different points of view that are
on this same topic in question.
Speaker 2: So fucking h what's the name. Sean Harris's character too,
he's just there for the money. Yeah, just there for
the money, fucking friend. Whatever he says to Buddy.
Speaker 1: Think about that acid melting glass and glass like just
it goes, it merges with your face. That has to be.
Speaker 5: When the black goop then like splashes on you too,
Like it's just horrible.
Speaker 1: When he comes back later, his body is like folded up,
it's just like horrifying.
Speaker 5: Oh like that gate lowers and you stand. You go
out there and you see him and you think, okay,
we'll run like that, well, yeah, who put the body here?
You have to do so that this fucker got here
on his own and he's in exorcist mode.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, it's not good. I think both this
and comment they suffer from some people not making the
smart decisions, like the scientist being like hey, little guy,
like what a fucking idiot. It's just like the second
I don't understand. I wouldn't understand.
Speaker 3: Piles of bodies all around this fortress.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even if it comes up, it's just like
that snake thing, Okay, but when it like spreads and
like you're like okay, no, let's get darn yeah level exactly. Yeah,
but it is scary when you have him on the
calm and he's just like it's breaking my arms, breaking around,
and then you get that snap and then they use
the break arm to like go up there and just
goes in his mouth like that. I hate the horrifying scene,
just awful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just goes to zero to one hundred and
like instantly, and then like this, like the score just
terrifies you too because it's so intense. And then you
have Sean Harris's character is just like I don't want
to touch it. It's like just fucking cut it off,
like cut the whole damn arm off at that point.
Speaker 1: And then if you've seen Alien, you just know like, oh,
the cutting is not gonna help, you know, like it's
the only gonna do.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it didn't, It didn't.
Speaker 1: It made it worse for Sean Harris. He could have left,
He should have just left him.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately for him, they bonded though, you know, you say
he didn't want a friend. He died with a friend
in that day.
Speaker 1: God, what a terrible situation too. You're on this plane
you don't know, and they've lost coms. I've told you
just to hang tight for a night, geez.
Speaker 3: Then the captain's off just banging together captain leaving you
in the dark too. Like that.
Speaker 1: That was Savage from Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: Even at least they did leave on their own their
own free will, right, Like they could have just stayed
with the crew. I don't know how they didn't find
their way out of there. I guess I guess it's
an amazing happens. And people got out the really fast
in the hurry. I guess they had David. Maybe he's
like a nice compass to have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, how did they get lost? I feel like, did
I miss that? Or they just they just got missing.
Speaker 2: They're just dumb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they just see something and then the crew's
like on a different way and everything like that, and
they're just like like.
Speaker 2: Oh, look a little When we go to them now,
because it's like like our main crew gets to the
ATV's whatever, they are like, oh, they must have left already.
So like their vehicle was just gone, but they weren't
on it, right, like, like, is that what happened or
was there only ever two vehicles?
Speaker 5: Well, they caught up there was like a big tanker
that was ahead of them, and then they got on
the two ATV squad things and you see them catch
up to the big tanker rig. So I think they
assumed they were inside.
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, okay, that makes sense. It just goes to
them and yeah, like storm is like it's been happening.
It's not like it just happened, like it's been happening,
and checks with them, and they're like, they find just
a fucking pile like mass of these old aliens nightmare fuels.
They're down deep chambers that they never should have been in.
I feel like I would have been right at like
the waiting room, and just like I'm not going any
deeper into this. I don't know how much that would
have held. That little worm probably still would have found them,
but well, the note it's boring in that day.
Speaker 5: The note of the worms. So they get the ping
and I just goes in the comma says, hey, we
got movement that's up ahead, and there they made the
decision to go the opposite direction where the worms are,
back where they came from. Are we supposed to assume
that the movement that it was up ahead was just
more worms?
Speaker 1: I think so, or just more because they they go like, oh,
it's a glitch, I think, but I think it was
more stuff like that, which you know, better directions given
in the first Alien movie of.
Speaker 5: That way, don't go that way.
Speaker 1: At least at least Charlie and him could have like
got it on the deck so he could have like
kept an eye on them, you know.
Speaker 2: But the thing with the worms too, I definitely didn't
catch us in the first viewing, which I'm assuming those
worms were like the little earthworms that they step on, right,
and then they just mutate. Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 5: They kept emphasizing the little worms going into like the
black ooze once the pressure in the.
Speaker 2: Room changed, so you know, that changed like a high evolutionary.
Speaker 1: Should have stayed up, you know, should have should have
stayed up.
Speaker 2: So should have stayed up? I mean what do you
mean by that?
Speaker 1: Like not gone down there, like like they've not done
any of this, like they should have liked like like
I they do find their makers. I guess something got
their answers and everything like that. They get the space shockey,
which was.
Speaker 2: Like the I was gonna say, can you imagine like
meeting your maker, like this is your meeting the person
or I guess not him individually, the people that crafted
you and the fucking decks you in the face with
like a haymaker. Just George Foreman, right, like right, power,
and the kisser like man liter roll punch to the face.
Speaker 7: Believes, well, that's why I shaw. She sees that and
she's like, I gotta know why they wanted to kill us,
and I saw that punch and everything. Let's talk about
engineers because they have quite the lore where this is
where I feel like the community divides, because you got
the space Shockey in the first Alien and for decades
I was like, what's the deal with this thing?
Speaker 1: What's under there? And ridge of the design was to
make them look like that, like they're dark girlmost elfin like.
But then they I think they just didn't like it,
and they say, well, let's make that Dexo skin and
then they decide on these very big kind of you know,
I won't say godlike, but definitely more alien type. Yes, absolutely,
that's one the beginning. My goodness. Yeah, I don't want
to see those UFC fights they got on that planet.
That's like some of the best fights in the world.
But yeah, which the beginning. I still it's still like
it we have one that kills himself and then you
move forward and then you have this one who is
the space Jockey or something like that. They you know,
it at least explains. Okay, what is the spacehographer in
the first Alien? It is exoskeleton too, our creators, And yeah,
what do you guys feel about the the engineers is
kind of our gods here their look, you know, some
of the story we get here, et cetera.
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's pretty cool. I like
the I think the opening sequence of this movie is
is really neat. I think it's it's not too long either,
Like I feel like it just sets the scene in
a pretty good way. But yeah, I guess for me
it was it was fun to kind of put those
pieces together since I'm kind of watching all these back
to back, which I didn't do the other times i've
seen Prometheus, but to see those kind of connections and
kind of getting more understanding more of how that works.
So yeah, I think it's I think it's interesting. I
think it's cool, like the sequences when they're kind of
comparing the DNA and wow, there's so this is a
perfect match with our DNA we come from them, Like
all that stuff is is pretty interesting to me. I
feel like I still just have so many questions though,
and that's where I'm like a little on settled, and
I'm curious to rewatch Covenant here and get some of
those questions answered. But for at least what's here, I
I'm into it. I think it's all good fun world
building lore.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I quite like them too. I like the opening
because it like it sets up that he took the
goo and then that like like what happened there, Like
did he change his DNA there? Like for us, is
that what that scene was or.
Speaker 1: Is just yeah, I think so himself he saw the humans,
He's like, oh my god, look what we created. No,
I think the natras like he's like like a seed
to the planet for doing it, like to start something,
you know.
Speaker 2: That's what I that's what I took it out because
they show like the cells starting to kind of Yes.
Speaker 1: He's been given the directive of the chosen One, you know.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so I I like it. I like the
designs of everything. I do. Like the Exo seats, Exo suits.
I love that they're just huge too, like not just
shredded and like the definition their muscles, but just really large. Yes,
that whole aspect because it makes like the like the
scale of the ship just massive, right, because like especially
when they first get there, they they don't know how
deep these caverns go or anything like that. And then
you just see these holograms of these things just running
around and be very very trippy, especially like it's one
thing to go to another planet that's amazing in and
of itself. But you get there, you find these structures
and they're like, I can't tell if this is natural
or not. I think you have hollow it. That says
the line like God doesn't draw in or Creighton then
like straight lines. He like he like makes the note
that like this is probably crafted. You do all that,
you find these caverns that look like they're crafted, But
then you see like a hologram of an actual humanoid,
like that would just blow your mind. And then and
then and then you see the damn thing, and like,
if you are a believer in any type of religion
in that moment, like that just would probably shatter your
whole realm of existence, right Like it forces you to
rethink it because it's not just all what if? Right, like,
it's right in front of you. The evidence is right
in front of you. And I think, what's his name?
Milburn and Sean Harris's character Byfield or something like that
whatever his name was, uh, like going through and this
is when they find the whole bodies and he's.
Speaker 1: Like, is that real?
Speaker 2: It's like, of course, it's fucking real. Like it's like
it's right fucking there. And yeah, they're just like in
disbelief because a lot of these characters like they were
in it for the paycheck, right, and they're like, I
don't think we're gonna find anything here, Like these scientists
are on this pipe dream, but then they get there
and it kind of forces them to rethink. And I
did like that they actually talked about those concepts of
like the belief, like that is a big thing, especially
with our main character Shaw, like right, like she's kinda
like she she's always carrying her cross with her and
David is asking her about that and like just questioning
the whole belief aspect of it and how she just
throughout all this like she I can't remember if it's
with Holloway, but it's like okay, like I'm a believer,
but if these are craters, like do you believe in God? Well,
it's like then who created them?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Like like it like it's just this never ending thing,
and I like that they pose those questions in the
film itself. I think the issue with me with the
engineers is it's just I was waiting for like a nice, shiny,
easy palatable answer on like what all this was. And
maybe that's the point, is that you don't actually know
their full their full uh motivations. Like they just they
just hated us. They hated the way we look or something.
We're not as chiseled as them. They don't like our
paunches that we got, so they just they just send
these worm things to take out Earth. Like I maybe
wanted a little bit of a nicer answer, But uh,
I do like the design of them. I like their Yeah,
the just their whole design across the board with the
ships them and how we kind of get things revealed
through like David being like a little little sneaky being
a little sneaky like like Sniegel and just doing his
own things and he's just like doing these these little
button presses. It's like, Okay, this guy's got like GTACH
codes right now, and we're trying to just figure out
where we are in this room. So I like all
those moments. But yeah, with the engineers themselves, I like
it it's just I feel like I was wanting maybe
more answers. But do you think that that's the point.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that. I feel like that's it
might be a cop up, but I feel like that's
the point because they're kind of trying to make a
god like comparison where it's like you can't get all
those answers. It's the same way as like enough, you know,
because even even the movie ends with Shoppy like we're
gonna go get our answers, right, and you know, we'll
see what happens to the next one. But that's where
I feel like there's it's almost like so far because again,
you could meet all the engineers, but like they talk
about who created them, and it's like, do all the
engineers feel that they need to go? Is there like
a divide? Even then between the engineers is like half
the community like, well, we don't need to genocide these
things we created, right, And then you have David on
the other side starting to create these things, and he
is like a so like to these not that they
would have that, but there's like a god like complex
for him, right, and it's uh, it's it's all interesting stuff.
And the David stuff. I I love that he's doing
all he's He's on like a side quest. Well everyone's
on like life goes to hell Maine mission, but he's
just like, I'm gonna see what this does and see
what that does and everything.
Speaker 5: So we all finished crookha.
Speaker 1: Geek first, Well, no, I think we had a couple
more what them.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed Geek first, Big Eyes.
Speaker 1: Let him go live on air. You're out, Kirkleam.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So getting a little bit more deep dive into
the engineers. It's it's quite something because you really don't
know anything in that first alien movie. And it's interesting
interesting what you said there, Travis, about just their exoskeleton
and just what they were underneath.
Speaker 1: No one was thinking that. No one was like everyone
was thinking it was that thing like that was stuck
on the ship for years, and I think everyone did
think that was like the origin the alien or the xenomorph, Like,
who knows. I wasn't around. There's probably no boards. I
don't know if people talked about that. Were they like
the people that experiment on them, or were they another
type of alien or something. I would love to hear
the conversations back in the eighties.
Speaker 5: I saw a quote from an interview with Ridley Scott
where he actually talks about why the engineers were going
to destroy humanity. And it's interesting when you look at
in the context of the film, because you have many
different cultures after humanity was created where they're pointing to
the same star system and there's a giant being. So
you know, okay, the engineers clearly visited humanity multiple times.
It wasn't just hey, we created you and now we're
going to go destroy you. So the engineers have visited
Earth many times connected with humanity. And now what Ridley
Scott was implying was that he was he didn't say
the name, but he was infroning that Jesus Christ was
an engineer that humans. It's Roman times two thousand years ago.
You've seen that. Yeah, so what happened? I'd be curious,
but yeah, I don't really need it. But they crucified him.
So they sent an engineer down to go deal with humanity,
and humans crucified him. And so that's why.
Speaker 1: These big giant yeah.
Speaker 5: Have like ten thousand humans grabbing them.
Speaker 1: And do this engineer and have the long Jesus hairsault too.
Speaker 5: He's turning water into wine. He's given them his crowd.
He's having a big table, big teaste.
Speaker 1: What do we do?
Speaker 5: His bosses did not give him the proper like run
down on like, hey, go down to Earth and just
you know, talk to them, and they just.
Speaker 2: They just watching this whole thing. They're like, yeah, we're
taking them out. We're totally taking these people.
Speaker 1: But yeah, like Ridley's telling, how does the engineer look like? Like,
if he's trying to compare it to our Jesus, how
would the engineer end up looking like the photos that
we know of Jesus supposedly big beer, long brown hair,
the robes, Like, no engineer that extoltz unless they just
lied about it. But yeah, like i'd love from now
one of Jesus always was like ten feet taller than
everybody in these photos. You know. That's I think that's
why I'm glad he took it out, because that's too all. Like,
I think it's better to talk about our stuff on
a psychological level than like a potential literal level. Of
people have an idea of what Jesus could be, which
again it's some some of it could just be all stories.
But I think that's tougher for me to grasp, like, well,
you know, these engineers, one of them was Jesus.
Speaker 3: That's an interesting thought though, Taylor, that they would have
come to Earth multiple times, because it's like man, one
of the odds that they land on Earth the same
time that the predators there are doing some training.
Speaker 5: And well, that's why they had to eliminate the humans, right,
because the predators took over and or worshiped as gods.
They're like, no, we're the gods, right, So I.
Speaker 1: Don't recall that and go around. I would love to
see an engineer versus a predator though, because they're they're
tall guy.
Speaker 3: Like alien versus predator versus engineer box office.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like engineers are probably taller than predators,
right they are, Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Like ten feet tall.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see that on their skeleton. Is probably not
as exciting because it's pretty just.
Speaker 3: Like the skeleton probably looks about the same. It's just yeah,
really bubbly muscles that they have.
Speaker 5: I don't know how uh, I don't know how accurate
this is, but this is a random thing. The predators
and engineers were very combative against each other, and so
the engineers put safeguards in place so preaders couldn't use
their technology, Like the flutes that initialize their systems were
designed specifically so predators. Predators couldn't use it. Predators invented technology.
He'll mimic the sounds of their life forms for that
very reason as a workaround. I don't know, this guy
sounds like he's just speaking out of his butt.
Speaker 1: Well, I wonder I would let Rickson signed Wayland Bishop
the second, But like at the same time, because I
don't know if there is there is comic books with
the engineers, so that could be some more from that.
And that's where even if it wasn't even Earth, I
still I guess that's why I like the orgin of
the actual aliens. I can buy, like, think of the
things we do right now, everyone's like, hey, don't do AI.
Don't do those videos where you make the robots and
you're like punching them because eventually you're just gonna turned there.
I can buy that, whether it's predator, the human race,
whatever it may be, that the engineer engineers feel that
they need almost like a weapon of mass destruction in
a sense, right, And this is and that's where for
me it also works too, especially you know, for your
guys maybe like the Alien versus Predator, it almost makes
sense that the aliens are type like they're their original
design was to be a weapon, you know, like the
idea of what they become is more you know, David
mess around, but the idea of we even see that
where I'm like, they are used there. The engineers are
using this planet to create weapons. And that's what I do.
I look at the alien be like, okay, I could
buy that as this is a weapon. And if this
is whether you like they or not, because I get
people that just striped don't like the engineers, and then
it's a tough movie to like. But for me, if
it's like they're this race and even then, okay, they
hear these predators are out there, they're worry about these clans.
Like imagine too they go to one up planet where they
drop Royce there, they just drop like all these fucking
things on that. There goes the predators, like there goes
a bunch of clans, you know that they so and
I think it's like a good I don't think they
dive deep into but it's like an allegory for nuclear
warfare in our life, right, And I don't think that's
like a big plot point here, but it's enough where
as humans we did it. We created bombs that could
take our entire countries or millions of people, right, So
it's like it's not at the realm possibility. These things
that created life would also want to create some reassurances
for their people and everything. And I like that explanation
of yeah, they killed this planet because I ourself talks
about that like that's smart. Why would they want to
create all these weapons and potential life ending threats where
somewhere they live. They went somewhere completely out, So all
that stuff works for me.
Speaker 3: For the engineers, I'm curious to We've mentioned a couple
of these things, but what are your as other kind
of big issues with the third act? Specifically? What are
some of those things.
Speaker 2: I mentioned my issues with, Like Charlie's ire what was
her name? Vickers? I just I felt like it was
wasted potential with the character. It might be a little hyperbolic,
but I don't know, that's kind of how I feel like.
It just seemed like we could have gone such a
better We already laid out, like the potential of her
struggling with like, am I an ex I makna type?
Feel like, yeah, that one I laid out too, how
I felt a little I wanted maybe more answers with
the engineers. And it's funny because like on the other card,
maybe if I get those answers, they're terrible and it's like, man,
I wish they kept a secret. So it's like, I
don't know, I like, I'm just choosing to not like
that that reason. Exactly. What else?
Speaker 3: There's one I think we haven't mentioned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there was one we mentioned that we went
on a tangent and I'm going, I'm trying to think
of it.
Speaker 3: Is it potentially because I felt like, man, the captain
really put a lot of trust in what she was
saying to just sacrifice and kill himself along with the
p I don't know if I don't think I really
have an issue with that, but it did seem like
a little a little quick for him to just believe
her on that and sacrifice himself. I love that shot
of the ship just disintegrating against the engineer ship, like
just clearly the difference in tech level there of like
the armor of that thing. I thought that was cool.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: His uh his little first mates there where those are
like Rider Die homies, Oka like they feel like no
thought like yeah, we're doing this, let's let's let's pop
off right here.
Speaker 3: They accepted when they landed on this planet that this
is the last planet they were going to step foot on.
Speaker 1: And I think for me, it's a general. There's one
other thing I hopefully they'll come back to because of my
notes I just got trivia. I think it's a general
that there's a big ramp up with her being pregnant.
They do the whole surgery, which brutal scene greatly. I
think they build it up very well, but I think
it's like an instant they halt the movie because Whylan
comes back, and then they have the conversation with Sew
and it feels like it it slows down and then
it ramps right back up again, and not like a
kind of pace that way with your jog, and it
just feels like they just stop and it feels like
all the threats are just kind of gone. She's sued
up and she talks about herself about like the differences,
so they have the there's stuff in there. I like,
but I think it's the pacing of you know, the
whatever what is it called to the THI but or
the theobite or whatever trill bite like. I like that.
I like the sequence, but I'm not sure if I
would reorganize it. And I don't know if you can
because you have to make it grow. So could get
the engineer, which I like that scene too when it's there,
And again Tara talk about first episode, lots of sexual
imagery with this thing, you know, so I enjoy portions
of it. I think it's just how it kind of
is spaced apart. It just feels like act one, Act
two flow the complete entire time. I think, very well,
where that oh, and here's the other part. That's what
I remember. Okay, when we're talking about Halloway, for me,
I find it very odd that David for the whole
movie is very secret, and then the entire third act
he's just letting Sew know that he's fucking everything up,
and it doesn't track for me of what we had
gone with David before. He's making mistakes that are kind
of on purpose, and Shaw jumps from is this robot
questionable to He's a part of everything because he says
something about I'm watching your dreams and like that could
be odd, but I don't know why. Seaw they make her,
they make her know what we know, but she's not
been told any of that. We as a viewers know
Dave's been doing X, Y and Z, and I think
he makes some sort of day at Hallway too. But
it's also just like, why would David want to be
poking despair right now, like trying to tempt her to
be like, hey, like, you know, I might have done
some stuff. I can't remember the exact line, but he
just kind of shows his cards. And I never understand
that from the character's point of view, because they end
up back together at the end, right, they end up
like we're gonna go on a venture, and you know,
we're the only people we got. So it's I don't know,
it's odd almost to think that stuff, you'd say for
a sequel. She's with him and then she suspected man
this whole time he's been messing with me. It just
he doesn't have a It doesn't get addressed directly because
he gets his head taken off.
Speaker 2: So that was it one, And like even before all
that happens, like she knows that David wanted to have
her pregnant, and she like he was preventing her from
like trying to get this fetus out, and he's like, no,
you're just gonna go to sleep, like you're just gonna
hyper sleep, which is fucked up. And like, I feel
like if I get out of that situation, which she does,
she performs her own Cesarean section, which is just fucking crazy.
That's a whole wild scene in and of itself. But
then like like I get it Waylen's back, but like
next time, like it just doesn't seem like she's that
mad at David overall of that, and I feel like
that is pretty clear that like he even if you
don't know everything that he's done, like it is kind
of as you mentioned Trevs, like like he lays out
his cards right in front of her. Later on, it
just seems like it doesn't really the.
Speaker 1: Line that's the line that's he just throws out there,
which I never understood because they take off their helmets
when they're with Whalen and she goes, well, I don't
know if we want to do that because Hallway got
sick and he looks or he says, that's not what
got him sick, but then he goes back on to
his like he doesn't continue, like, then just do the
full reveal of I expect, like I know there's time
and place, but it just feels weird for him, like
that's not how it happened. And then he goes right
back and it's like, why would even say that? Why
would he even just insinuate that he killed your husband? Right,
So it's it's odd in that moment where I feel
like David, even as the creator guy, would be way
more just focused on the engineer and focus is going
on now, but he still has this like weird back
and forth with Sean. That's where I think it's just
the third act where maybe there is a time and
place for that, but it was the pacing of when
they drop those reveals. It didn't make sense of the halt,
and then we have Walan back and I don't know,
maybe there's a version of us better without Whalin's too,
Like there might be a like there might be something
of Shaw just wants to find out, and David could
give that speech about Hallway still want to find out
and that way it works better if it's just her
and David there. So there could be. It would make
sense why there's more conversation where waveling, like he's there
and he gets like you said, he has punched, he dies.
It's like it's kind of like a like a fart,
which it's like a cloud far. But at the same time,
I think they're trying to show some sort of he's
an arrogant guy that just thinks he can get away
at this and this guy's gonna give him life, and
that could be another reason why these engineers are disappointing them, right, Like,
you can't even accept that you're gonna die. You're doing
this whole expedition just to not for the betterment of mankind,
just a betterment of so whalan can live longer?
Speaker 2: Right, so you could live with your own failure. Where
did that bring you back to me? And then he
just fucking decks him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, tear any notes on the engineers how they feel
it thanos because he owns them. Is there any any
notes there yet? Ah?
Speaker 2: You should.
Speaker 1: That's a question for maybe alien versus avengers. Well maybe
in the comic books, you know, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I I like all your thoughts there. I
feel like I would need I don't I like need
to watch it again from that perspective, because I feel
they didn't have issues with those scenes. But what you're
saying there makes a lot of sense. I I like
what you were saying too, but like the pacing shift
there from the surgery section just into like the end
and stuff and then kind of just splitting it up
with the Whalen stuff. I wonder if they felt when
they were making this that that reveal would be like
as big of reveal as like the alien at the end,
Like people are so nostalgic and know so much about
this that they're like, Whalen's alive, Like he's set up
at the start of the movie, like with the hologram,
so it's like he's he's there, put in front of you.
But I like, I don't think it it comes across
as strongly as they wanted it to in that regard.
But maybe it's also just a pacing thing of yeah,
we're gonna have like a ton of intensity for like
twenty minute, like we need something in the middle that
kind of slows the movie down a little bit, perhaps
especially because that that surgery scene is so freaking intense.
So yeah, that's that's a good point for sure, because
I don't think Whalen has like a huge impact. Like
if I'm ranking my favorite characters in this movie, he
doesn't really track in the in the top there. I mean,
he's not in it a whole lot. It's must be
like a last minute reveal kind of thing. I mean,
I like the the idea of course that he's going
through like whatever means necessary. Similar to how Charlie's like,
I'll do anything to get this information, he feels very
much the same way. Whaland is where he'll put all
of his resources. He doesn't care who dies in the process.
He just wants to meet the people that made him
and he'll do anything to get there, which is great.
But as you guys talked about there, but the I
think maybe my favorite section in this is the surgery sequence.
I just think it is so freaking well done. It
is so intense, it is disgusting, it is terrifying, It
is pays super well the sound effects. I think her
acting in that like she just sells it so hard.
So yeah, that sequence is just fantastic and gross.
Speaker 1: So it's very gross. Yeah, and I think it's like
a good makes clearly the things cgi I think they
do their best to make it look good. There's some
practical stuff there where on the actual set. They like
filled up a condom so that when they cut it
would have like that same kind of bursting effect and everything.
Speaker 2: So it is with these alien movies. Eh, what always
a condom? With these alien movies.
Speaker 1: I think it makes sense the way they make them. Yeah,
I guess. I think it's the way that makes sense
or because they're like in this Yeah, and plus like
when you tie it and like a condom that is
filled up, it's like a like a ballue, like one
of those like water balloons in the sense by the
fact they don't want to use water balloons because it
would just pop easy, right, So with a condom, they're
supposed to be protection. But that's what I was gonna say.
Don I think your hunters right on the Whalen thing.
I think they thought that was gonna be big, which
is odd because I remember you watched in the first time.
Speaker 3: Nothing like it.
Speaker 2: It's no, but it's not.
Speaker 3: It's not like a huge monolithic secrets.
Speaker 1: But I feel like they kind of showed their hand
because they multiple times have Fastbender and Charlie's be like
what did he say? I remember even the first watch like, oh,
so Whalen's not this guy's not dead, he's he's there,
So it was it was an odd choice. I thought
to even have scenes where him and Charlie's are talking
about what he would want, and David's going back in
the cancuns to go look at like, oh, look at
the look at the like he has a camera on everything.
It's like, why is he doing this? Because he's doing
this alone and Charlie says, hey, patch me in, So
he already was going there by himself. Charlie didn't send
him out there right away. So yeah, it's not nothing.
I think there's just like ways they could have handled
a little bit better. But you know, rip mm hmmm
rip RP to Whaland. Yeah, hopefully Bishop is a their
job Bishop the third or whatnot? So anything else specifically
we haven't talked about, did.
Speaker 5: You guys see the I guess this might have been
like an alternate start with Whaland where he's kind of
doing like a seminar.
Speaker 3: It's like a deleted scene, is what you're saying.
Speaker 5: Might be a deleted scene. Yeah, he's it's like young
Whalen and he's talking about technology. I think he's going
over the whole like Promethe kind of origins, right.
Speaker 1: I think he's deleted or they actually used Guy Pierce
for a lot of like viral marketing stuff when he
as young Guy Pierce and everything, which that was a
and maybe that was another reason why I didn't think
Whale was dead, because like, well it skuy Piers. He
has to come back, right, like he's a bigger act.
Like that's the thing where they kind of show their
hand to him pretty well that take up. Yeah, so
I like that.
Speaker 2: Old meat that's been left out too.
Speaker 1: Old war anything else? Oh my goodness. Okay, so I
talked about Yeah, used Orchestra play for his compositions backwards
and digitally reversed them for the final film, So very
very cool. For the Alien Planet Creatures technology, Ridley Scott
instructed design teamed Aim for a look that logically could
come before Alien but not rely too heavily on hr
Jiger's original famous art. But the exact opposite happened because
they started to look at his unused art for the
original Alien in and then eventually they just brought that
set design the production designer back. So the new team
worked with the guy did the old one, and then
sadly enough he had a fatal injury I guess in
twenty fourteen since last movie worked on. But kind of
a fitting way that you know, he got to come
back and help with that, so kind of funny. Really
he's like, don't look at his stuff, and then they
looked at it, and he's like, well, okay, just come
just go get them back just right, because like if
you're just gonna look at it, let's just get the
guy that created all this stuff. So but a lot
of these designs were like some of I imagine like
the Needo more for like the you know, the I
don't know, I doubt the engineers, but a lot of
the alien designs I imagine, like the snake, were things
that were original concept and ideas for the Xenomore back
in the day, but they didn't use them. So talked
about Charlie Saron. Yeah, she was originally cast a Shaw,
which I like Natooria paced a lot so and I
think again I was this point of how Vickers went.
But I think Charlie did a very good job as Vickers,
and I was very I like the character.
Speaker 3: A lotelebates that role that could otherwise be pretty one note.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I was gonna say it too. Throughout the film,
like she's just portrays this cold hearted, like asshole, like
she's just doesn't care, like you know, she's willing to
close the door on this crew like it's just crew
expendable type of attitude. And Tell Holloway is just like
just do it. You know, he's doing the man of
Steel thing like don't like like just just let me
have it, and like you actually see like her humanity
in that moment of like I just fucking chart this
man and he's just like screaming in down in front
of her.
Speaker 1: Funny enough you should bring up because I got trivia
know it about one. I was gonna say forgout to
shout out that scene where he's looking in his eye
an they're like.
Speaker 2: Oh man, very prey. Like there's some some some prey
uh similarities in this film for sure.
Speaker 1: I'm just singing about the you've seen that thing. And
I love the descent too, where he's in the like
they're all together in the tram getting ready to go,
and David looks and just says some line just like
you know, like good luck out there and always just
like I think this fucking robot did something like like
he just he doesn't know no, oh but he just
like I love Logan. Marshall Green is a very underrated actor.
I talked about the show Traveler many times, the Geek. First,
he was in that show that was canceled after one season.
But everyone go watch Upgrade. He's and oh watch the
The Invitation. That is a fucking great horror movie. He's
the lead of it.
Speaker 2: And it's good.
Speaker 1: No, not at all, Okay, All is his his ex
wife and and her new husband invite him to a
dinner and it is a while it is. Watch it.
It's a disturbing movie, lots it like. It is worth
a watch. It's really good. So I'm a fan of him. Plus,
he was the original Shocker in the MCU. Don't forget Anyways.
For the scene where Vicker sets infected hallway on fire,
Charlie's there on wild It a real flamethrower emitting real fire.
She was excited to perform the scene when reading the script,
but began has second thoughts upon realizing she actually setting
the stuntming on fire. She ultimately agreed to perform the Sun,
but the shot of her appearing shocked while setting him
on fire was her natural reaction. The shot was kept
in the film because the filmmakers saw it the breaking
character was a good reflection of normalcy instead of the
icy emotionals Vickers. So that wasn't even in the script.
That was just Chart least reacting to this man on
fire and they're like, let's keep this, So yeah, it was.
It was a good call there, so fun note there
other characters who were up for Vickers or actors was
Michelle Yell and Angelina Jolie. They were discussed about and
then obviously way before I'm not sure if this was
before there on or after thereon dropped out for Shaw.
But some of the other people talked about was Jim Arton,
Caraen Mulligan, Olivia Wilde and halfway Abby Cornish and Natlie
Portman were all Conserva role Shaw. So you got got
going on there. I talked about Ridley his number one
choice for he didn't want anyone but fast Spender, so
they spent a little more on him. Uh. He won
the screenplay dress for the original Alien. There was a
sex swen between Ripley and Dallas to show how crew
members would engage in casual sex during space travels. They
never filled the scene, but Ridley had the idea to
bring it back for Vickers and Janic, So I guess
there's pretty probably there's a scene of Ripley and dads,
like probably just beat for the exact same scene, So
they brought it back. So it's kind of cool using
someone from a script like almost forty years later. So
Ridley Scott, this is my last point, fought bitterly with
twenty Fox Century executives over including the space jockey in
the original Alien. Ironically, this very character forms the nucleus
of the plot for Mametheus and its sequel. I did
not find I need to do a deeper dive, but
I could not find interviews or reasons why he did
not want to include space shockey. I would just thought
they built the set and he would have been like,
that looks cool. But maybe he just thought it implied
like a greater world or a greater thing. He didn't
want that. But yeah, I guess, And I don't know
why Fox fought for it either, Like it's a weird
issue where they build this thing and he goes I
don't want this in the movie, and Fox says you've
got to have in the movie, and obviously it spawns
this movie, but I I want to look at more
of why he didn't want it and why the Fox
was probably thinking sequels. But yeah, so kind of funny
note that it became this big deal from later on. So, uh,
tayar Field, what are you gonna give this movie? What's
your final thoughts in a rating? Here?
Speaker 5: Ah? Like I said before, I like how beautiful this
film is. I like how it starts about some of
the things that kind of unfold near the end, including
like just some of the character things. I feel, well,
I can believe that the chaos kind of happens really
really quickly. And I say that because you have what's
going on inside the ship, you have what's going on
with the C section, Like, there's a lot going on
that as captain of the ship, you think, I just
saw it could kind of keep tabs. But she doesn't.
He doesn't know that there's an alien birth out of
a shaw. He doesn't know exactly well, he does know
that they're going to go meet one of these things.
There's just so much going on, and David's got his
ulterier motives. So it's just a bit chaotic having all
of these converging plots overlapping each other and kind of unfolding,
and then you get just a lot of things that
have unfolded in the end. So that being said, I
feel like I could probably go comfortably like a like
a seven point five. Again, that's me being generous because
I'm not rushing to rewatch this one anytime soon, but
every once in a blue moon you can put it
on and it's just it's a really, really, really interesting
and engaging movie to watch. And I enjoyed it when
I put it on the other day just because it's
been a while and just getting sucked back into this
world and it's it's bold, and I you know, kudos
to to really Scott for doing something that was not
the classic Zeno more oriented, and something that was focused
on a story that he clearly really wanted to tell
for a long time, considering this debacle with the other
Alien films and him being shafted with a VP and
all that stuff. So yeah, I think I think that
it's it's a it's got its place amongst the Zeno films,
but I definitely know where I would put it amongst
those you.
Speaker 1: Know films onto that for after omeless.
Speaker 2: So tell me right now, you tell us now, I
will tell you right now. This movie eight point five
out of ten for me. I think it's just ten
out of ten opening to this film first act, fantastic
performances to be expected with this many big names and faces.
I remain to this day a little bit underwhelmed with
Guy Pierce. I don't think I am a big guy Piers.
Speaker 1: Fan, oh like just as the actor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't.
Speaker 1: And you've seen Memento.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was very.
Speaker 2: Let down by that film. I have very high expectations
going into it. But you know, sure he's a nice guy.
We'll see one day.
Speaker 1: But Time Machine two thousand got bothering you with that characters.
Let's get bothering you cooking the Turtle show.
Speaker 2: So yeah, some some issues with the third acts, maybe
some mispotential is like the big thing there, but world
building is just fantastic for this film, and uh, Big
Rids it just keeps doing it. So, uh see what.
Speaker 1: Big Rids a lot of here two for you guys, right,
that's yeah next, So there you go.
Speaker 2: So exactly. Yeah, good flight Star, mister Muss.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I hit a great time rere you watching this.
I man, I feel like I really need Covenant to
round out answer some questions for me here, But I
don't know. I I I had a good time with
this though it's still a lot, you know, It's not
an all timer for me, but I think it is
a really fun time. I'm going eight point two five,
lower than Kirkland, oh, but higher than an eight mathematic
respect speaking.
Speaker 1: Sorry kirkm threw me off by send me a trader
for The Invitation The Vampire? Why not that's a good movie.
Speaker 3: Is there even a lot of movies called the Invitation?
Speaker 1: Invitation? I gotta confirm now this is Logan Green here.
But anyway, so what I yeah, it is twenty fifteen.
There you go watch that one. Uh yeah, nine out
of ten for me on this one. I think if
the third was a bit stronger, I get get to
the full point maybe the story basically eight, but I
think that nine is just for like technical stuff. Again,
love the way this movie looks, sound feels. I like
this is where like I hope the TV show could
be like this, not exactly, but if it's like whatever,
it is because it's Earth, but I hope it has
a similar thing where Okay, you're not gonna have the
budget of the show, but maybe just world building, facts,
interesting characters. That's what I really hope can happen. And uh, yeah, no,
I'm there's always like a little bit of a disappointment
with me while I'm excited for us to get to Covenant,
but like the there's aspects of these two movies that
are just never gonna go be talked about because the
box office just wasn't there for Covenant. So but I
can still watch this even though this ends in like
a very cliffhanger way of or need to go find
the New World and find what's gonna happen. It is,
So there's that where you can't really just watch it
by itself. But for the most part, great film. And yeah,
I don't remember the last time I watched it, but
I think I returned this one every couple years. I
feel like I don't want to say anything because we
got a rankings episode, So like these boys said, we'll
wait until Ron this in August. So until next time,
the next one we'll be talking about is Covenant. The
very golden Geek's Worst film nominee, So it's gonna be
very interesting to return back to that. Let's see, does
it hold up that way? Have we changed our tune?
I don't know, find out and won't be boring.
Speaker 2: Yes,