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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to the Alien Retrospective.

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I'm the clown Prince of Creation dressed now I'm joined by.

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Speaker 2: I am the pup Kirkling Patzer.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm Doylan Muss Neomorph Taylor Field.

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Speaker 1: Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are back. We are reviewing

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every single alien film in honor of Alien Ramas. We

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also got two special episodes well where there'll be an

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Alien Isolation side quest with Dylan Taylor, and then we're

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also going to review some alien comics when they fight

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the the Avengers and then the Predators fighting Black Panther

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or something something like that. You know, but yeah, lots

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of stuff leading up to that in August. So go

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back in the feeds. A bunch of them are there,

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you can go. I guess at this point. I don't

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know about the other ones, but at this point there's

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probably a maybe.

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Speaker 4: A Covenant there early.

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Speaker 1: But we're getting here the end of this, so I

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was just thinking about that right now. It's like usually

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like oh, we got this, it's like no, I guess, really,

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there's not too many. We're reviewing them in a weird order,

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but the time people are listening to this in the public,

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there's just Covenant and Isolation the combook one left, so yeah,

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we're getting near the end.

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Speaker 3: We also do have an original review of Covenant out

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there if people want to listen.

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Speaker 1: We do. Yes, you can go back and probably no, no, no,

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back in the basement days. But yeah, we will be

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re recording it because uh, Kirkland has ever seen it

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and we want to revisit. It's been older than five years,

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but today we were revisiting or seeing I don't know,

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why don't we get everyone's story Prometheus? This is the

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uh it is now? Yeah, Okay, it's a prettyquel to Alien,

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and you know, I'm gonna go first because that's why

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I want to start with my thoughts here. Back in

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the day when I saw this, the hubbub and hype

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about this was just that Ridley Scott was making a

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sci fi movie and everyone was like, is this connected

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to Alien or not? They were not. They kind of

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hid that close to their vest until after the fact

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and it came out. I think we all kind of

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figured out that it was, but they weren't being upfront

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about it. And that's why the only real alien thing

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is at the very last two minutes, right, So that's

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something that I remember this movie being very mysterious and

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people putting a lot of piece together trying to figure out.

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I remember the press always being hey, is this an

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alien prequel? Is there an alien in this? And Scott

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like dodging. I can't even remember right time release. If

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he finally said, yeah, there's something in there, I'd have

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to go back and find But I remember the build

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up to this movie because it was Scott. I don't

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know what he had done before this's off to look

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after all you guys were talking about. But I think

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he was kind of a nothing's putting on anything, But

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I don't know if there's anything great. And Scott does that, right,

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he'll do something like this, and then a couple years

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later he has some melons. Then he'll put out like

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the Martian, like he does these things where every once

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in a while he'll go put it you know, hopefully

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that happens with Glady or two or just when you

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start to doubt, really Scott, he goes and puts out

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this juicy bang. You're like, okay, no, he's still he

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still got everything he has there. So I remember the

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lead up to this quite a bit. I saw it

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was his previous movie definitely a bummer. So that's where

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it was like, does he still have it? You know?

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you here? Two has to be good, you know, well,

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what is.

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Speaker 1: It that's your objectory? Yeah? Because Dan does it go?

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Speaker 3: My god, this guy's worked on a lot of movies.

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Speaker 1: He has worked in a lot of movies.

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Speaker 3: Prometheus, you want to go before or after?

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Speaker 1: No? After Prometheus? Yes, so he does? Oh that's down?

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Speaker 3: And then the Martian?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Counselor One of my most disappoint movies all time.

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Cameron Diaz, Penelope Cruise, Michael Fastpender, Brad Pittjavier Bardem Crime Thriller,

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one of those boring fucking movies you'll see in your life.

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sex with a car. And it's a really great scene

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because Sabi Bardham is watching this and his it's like

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a comedy scene. His facials are to die for. I

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have heard scuttle but that the director's cut is actually better,

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and Redley Scott is like a big like zach Snyry

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has a lot ofctor cuts out there, even talk about

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doing one for this, So this was more on the

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same thing. Okay, can you return back to form because

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you do a hit, And for me it was a

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hit back then, and it's something that I think as

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perfect score. The third act is really messy. Things fall apart,

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where I think act one, Act two or pace is

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exact same movie that Act two or act three. Someone

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just like Shaw gets like adrenaline shot and then it's

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like and there's things left open and not in like

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an osequel things where it's just like I was really

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interested in this concept or this story and it ends

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abruptly or it's not a satisfying conclusion. So it's no

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way a perfect film. It's no way that it's a

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ten to ten movie. But for me, it's the look

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of this movie. It's like the Alien movie where this

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offse is way more update and the visual effects are

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way superior as far as the things they could do.

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like about The Stars prequel, where it looks new but

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almost too new. This is like a good balance of

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it looks like there's stuff where it hasn't gone through

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a certain era, but it's not the you can see

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it's like on the way to the Alien World, like

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the Alien movie, not the Alien World like with Ripley

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the seventies version. Right. I love the score. This is

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a trivia fact that I've should say. But what I

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loved but I learned today was they wrote the score,

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they had everyone play it backwards, and then when they

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put in the film, they reversed it to make it

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go forward because they yeah, they wanted like it to

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sound very odd and weird. So that's why it technically

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is played the way it was written, but they played

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it backwards. So that's why the score in this movie

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of heavenly at times type of score. And that's where

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about creation and that aspect of what David talks about

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with God and why would someone create this and want

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to know your creators? To me, it was just I

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curious about. And then I appreciate way more and more

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that top twenty five. He's such an interesting character. He's

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he's the most interesting Android, and honestly, I'd say the

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most interesting character in the whole Alien franchise. When you

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this android, how he processes things and just the way

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on Charlie's there on Iris Elba, Sean Harris who ends

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up becoming like a big part of Mission Impossible. You

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and one was in there.

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Speaker 2: You got with the bet?

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Speaker 3: Did you not recognize.

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Speaker 1: No offense? Captain?

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Speaker 1: Is he in his Okay?

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Speaker 3: He's like he's very doubted that wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeahs are cracked. That's not that's not worth.

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Speaker 3: That's Travis's strong suit is picking out actors.

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Speaker 1: In the private chat, he looked very young, so that's

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at all. So there you go. But no, I, despite

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some flaws in here, love this movie. Love's great memorable moments.

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That's great character moments, and I'm excited to talk about it.

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And in many times I don't like prequels. It's for

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some reason which we'll get into me he just talked

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if this is the origin of the Xenomorph, I feel

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really mind it. Per se the Engineer space Jockey stuff,

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there's some big like wow, that's some big leaps they

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especially in like it's sexual nature with this creature is

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Speaker 2: I want's to take it to me thoughts. I'm gonna

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go next. I it's funny I saw this in theaters

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with the buddy of mine, shouts out to Carson. I

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blind as a bat. I remember the trail, like the

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just somewhere else to find life. And that was intriguing

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it for like the famous actors. So like now watching it,

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it's just such a stacked cast, like it's it's actually

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hear those stories of just uh was it Nolan that

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Speaker 2: So like even Idris.

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a high price, because what happened was the studio didn't

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want pay for him. And this is another part of

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my trivia, but Scott was like, I don't want anyone

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he was second vill cool.

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he's not. He's in here for a day or two, right.

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until this point at least twenty times, so I knew

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the zeno more. Well, this is twenty twelve, right, so

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at the end with like the reveal that was like,

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oh my god, this is in the alien universe, like

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like that actually blew my mind, like in the theater.

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engineer stuff, it just went completely over my head. This

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that time, so and again now that we've gone through

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the retro to like just to have that supplemented kind

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of knowledge of the universe going into it. You know,

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first act though, like it's a tenant of ten. It's

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a tenant of ten. First act. It's like just vible.

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across the stars, and just when everyone's coming out of

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their hyper sleep, we have David just doing his thing

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like on the ship like man, I I've eaten that

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stuff up and I want this game. Like yeah, like

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like it's it's so fantastic. When they get to the planet,

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just all the design of everything, all of the attention

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to detail, with every little gadget, with the pups as

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my name signifying, or when when you have I dress

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on the ship and then and the pups are mapping

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it out and they're just looking at this like three

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dimensional rendering that's real time. And then he like comes

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the pups are just still like just like scaling this place.

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love the world building of this Adventure. I have quite

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a few issues with the third act, and I think

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that's what really brings this movie down for me, which

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is quite unfortunate. But yeah, like I still think the

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thriller aspect and the suspense like really was able to

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really I think tap similar veins that the first movie

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had in that level of suspense, which is crazy because

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that is like a very claustrophobic type movie. I guess

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there's areas of this movie that have that effect, but

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for the most part, like it's a lot more larger

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scale than what the first one is. But I feel

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like there's certain moments that happen really quickly, and it

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just like ramps up to the intensity scale, like when

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Buddy gets the thing on his arm and it's like, oh,

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it's a cute little arm. It just like within forty seconds,

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like it's just like escalates to these guys just get

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apps incapacitated. And I remember like seeing that in the

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theater and just like shocked because you're just you're not

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expecting it. It's like, Okay, it's a creepy alien thing.

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they're both just off and like the music ramps up

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in those moments. Good shout out Travis with the score.

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the score definitely stand out.

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zero to one hunder situation of he's kind of cough

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to Charlie's fucking burned him on the ramp like I

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knew him. I didn't even imagine if you were Shaw

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like processing that day in your mind, like it's yeah, no,

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I think you're ready. It's like it's more like it's

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like quick fires. It's like a quick jab death instead

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of like long drawn out and some of those men

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this movie, I think what they do well, they do

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like perfect like ten ten, Like it's just it's just

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beautifully uh executed. But yeah, I mean I'm excited to

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kind of break down some of the stuff that happens

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with the engineers and the third act because, like you know,

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just in hindsight, like thinking about this movie, I'm like, yeah,

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this viewing, and then I pay attention and I'm like, oh, okay,

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they just it's just I don't know, it's just okay,

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doomsday device. It's kind of what I remember, but less

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detail than I was hoping to get maybe on this

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next viewing. But yeah, fantastic movie. And I'm really excited

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now to see Alien Covenant because I still haven't seen

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that movie. So that's gonna be really fun.

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Speaker 3: Very nice. Uh, I'll jump in here next. So I

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definitely don't think I saw this in theaters, but I

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think I saw it pretty close to when it came out.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why.

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year twenty twelve, back when I was still in high school.

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Speaker 1: I don't really would have.

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but I wouldn't have been like, oh, her funny role

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in Rested Vilma, I gotta go see what she's doing

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in this in this sci fi epic. But whatever, it was,

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something drew me to this movie. Maybe it was a friend,

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maybe it was Briggs. Honestly, it might have been might

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have been Briggs. I feel like I watched it a

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couple of times and then watching watched it again prior

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to Covenant for sure, and yeah, I feel like of

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all these ones that we've gone through, it's like, yeah,

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I've seen all these alien movies before except for AVP

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and man, I just I remembered very little about them,

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Like coming to this retro felt very fresh, like it

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was almost first time viewings for a lot of them.

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Like this is very sounds very strong in my brain,

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even though I like, if you asked me a week ago,

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it'd have been like, oh, I can't tell you a

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lot of details, But seeing it again, I'm like, it's

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all rushing back to me now. And yeah, I think

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what you guys said, like just visually, like the epicness,

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the scale of this movie, the world building. I hadn't

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thought of it that way, but like the world building

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of it, even if a lot of it is pretty simple,

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I mean, it gets pretty zany at some points. Zany

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is maybe the wrong word, but it just gets it

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gets grander at some points. But man, I just I

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just think this is such a great vibe, but such

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a great place to be and hang out and spend

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two hours just watching this movie. So I had a

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really really good time rewatching it here. I think partly

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in my brain, I've almost soured on this a bit

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because I really didn't like Covenant, and at this point

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I couldn't even really tell you what I don't like

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about Covenant anymore. It's been so long I forget. I'm

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excited for that rewatch, But I know one thing I

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did not like was the use of Fastbender, So I

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feel like because of that, I almost forgot that he

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was in this and how fucking good he is. He

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is amazing at playing an android, which we know, we've

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seen people have their different spin on it. But I

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think there's something about just his posture, even like his body,

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like he's so much just a slender guy that it

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comes a call like you've see him from certain angles,

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like from the side, and he's so freaking slim. It's

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like unsettling in a way. It's like, how is this

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a man? But it's like, oh, he's not a man

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in this movie. It just makes you feel weird in

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the best way possible. And some of the dialogue around

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his character is great, and I think just across the board,

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Like going back through all his alien movies, one of

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the I guess prevailing things for me. He's like, man,

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I really don't care for the cast of characters in

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these movies. Generally there's like maybe two maybe three characters

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that I'm invested in or I find interesting to some extent.

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good job of like all these characters have different motivations.

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whether it's the captain who doesn't care about any of

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the science stuff. He's just there, he's just the transporter.

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We have the scientists, people who are there for different

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but then there's just like even factions within the scientists

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of some of them care more about other things. And

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then you have David and his motivations. And then Vickers

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is the name of Charlie's thrown like her motivations as well,

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really really fun different dynamics that are just seeing the

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push and pull of what everyone wants out of this

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mission is just really compelling stuff. I think I've less

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problems with the third act than you guys do, so

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I'm curious to hear where those issues are. I can

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definitely see where some of them come from. But yeah,

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I think this movie is just fantastic. And I think

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maybe my last point here at the opening is just

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there's so many ways that this movie kind of calls

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back to things we've seen in Alien before, but I

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think they do it in a very playful way where

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it's like just a slight variation or something different, or

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maybe it's just that modern lens with modern technology, whatever

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it is, but it makes everything feel fresh, even if

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a lot of it is things we've seen them before,

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going into a mysterious base, finding the a catchlings, having

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the face hard, it's things we've seen before. But because

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of what you guys mentioned, like with the arm, like

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they just they switch it up in a way that

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makes it still intense all these years later. And part

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of that is because it can look a lot better,

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not like because the CGI is here, but the CIG

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is actually good, you know, for once in the Alien

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movies at least with AVP, you know, better and better

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as we as we said, But yeah, really just land

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it sticks to landing here. So yeah, I'm really excited

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to break down some of the more details with this one.

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like the d this, I'm like, man, I have so

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many questions and I know a lot of them are answered,

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and Covenant, I just can't remember what those answers are.

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So I'm I'm excited to see Covenant again, which is

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which is a good thought and hope I am less

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disappointed now that I'm way more in the headspace for

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Alien now than I think I like Before Covenant, I

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probably watched Prometheus and that was it. I don't know

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if I did the full rewatch of everything right, So yeah,

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I'm excited for that one.

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Speaker 1: Mister Field.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember going to the theater with my friends

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and watching this and just being blown away at just

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visually this movie is fantastic. Oh my goodness, and you

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are getting some stellar performances in here.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 5: I went in knowing that this was part of the

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Alien universe. I did not expect it to be so

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heavily focused on the engineers, and so when we get

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like the intro and just what humanity is up to,

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I was just blown away. I thought it was fantastic.

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I really liked it, but I personally wanted more of

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the classic Zinos in this movie. That's something that I

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kind of had in the back of my mind, and

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I felt at the same time conflicted because I wanted

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to get more information on this new story that they

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were kind of exploring, and I felt like it was

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just so open ended. That was it. And this was

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a time when I didn't feel confident that we were

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going to be getting a sequel to this Necessarily. I

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wasn't perusing the forums, like like on Twitter, like we

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really Scott, you know.

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Alien movie?

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has a lot of strong points, and I like a

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lot of the characters and some of the just the cringey,

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00:21:30,839 --> 00:21:34,000
gross stuff. Oh my god. Oh it's just I remember

474
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:36,079
just squinting in the theater with my friends when we

475
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,599
were watching some of these some of these scenes because

476
00:21:38,599 --> 00:21:42,240
they're just brutal, brutal, brutal, But it's just such a

477
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:46,119
cool area to explore. It's It's not a movie that

478
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,240
I'm always necessarily running back to to rewatch. I have

479
00:21:49,279 --> 00:21:51,799
other ones in the Alien franchise that I will turn

480
00:21:51,839 --> 00:21:55,039
to first before this one, but it's been a good

481
00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:56,759
minute since I watched this one.

482
00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:57,559
Speaker 2: Prior.

483
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Speaker 5: So yeah, like I think it's at its core, a

484
00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:05,839
part of me feels like it's just the movie that

485
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,960
really Scott did. It's like in lieu of the First Alien,

486
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,759
I feel like it's it's I don't want to say similar,

487
00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:16,160
but I.

488
00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:14,839
Speaker 1: I don't know.

489
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,160
Speaker 5: I don't know why really Scott really wanted to go

490
00:22:17,519 --> 00:22:20,039
about it with this film when I feel like there

491
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,640
was more he could have told with alien being, like

492
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,359
that's you know, that was his his baby, right, that

493
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:30,559
was his creation. So I get you want to expand

494
00:22:30,559 --> 00:22:32,240
on the engineers, but I don't know why you would

495
00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:34,720
necessarily go and have Okay, well, the engineers. And this

496
00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:36,400
is the biggest question I have of all, you have

497
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:41,359
the engineers that have the alien xenomorph eggs, and then

498
00:22:41,519 --> 00:22:44,880
you have the humans being and this is more or

499
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,319
less explained I guess an alien covenant, but it seems

500
00:22:48,319 --> 00:22:50,640
like humans have a big hand at least David has

501
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,839
a big hand with the creation of the neo morph

502
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,880
is what it's called, as we see in this movie.

503
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,359
And so that's what kind of confuses me because I

504
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,200
thought that this, you know, we're more or less their

505
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:03,759
own kind of thing. But again, that's up to interpretation

506
00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:05,440
when you watch the first Dalilen movie, and so when

507
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,279
you get to hear they create this whole new setup

508
00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:12,480
that Okay, the engineers are creating a lot of bioweapons

509
00:23:12,519 --> 00:23:16,799
and different things like that. What's it called. I think

510
00:23:16,839 --> 00:23:19,880
there was the pathogen, That's what it's called. So they're

511
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,000
creating these pathogens and it's just fucking up organics. And

512
00:23:23,079 --> 00:23:26,759
so that's a neat concept. But I still feel like

513
00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:30,079
it kind of clashes with that first Alien story at times,

514
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,039
just in terms of like how the creation is and

515
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,359
where David fits into that story. And maybe I just

516
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,640
overthink it. I should just take it for what it is.

517
00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:43,279
Speaker 1: Because how does like David helping create an alien clash

518
00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:45,200
with like that alien ending up on a ship and

519
00:23:45,279 --> 00:23:48,559
just wrecking havoc. That's where I guess I'm confused.

520
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:52,079
Speaker 5: Well, because I don't understand, like we already know that

521
00:23:52,079 --> 00:23:54,920
there's not many of these things supposedly left, And maybe

522
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,880
it's it'll be an easier thing to talk about after

523
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,160
we do Alien Covenant we kind of get that refresher

524
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:03,559
from it. Uh. I just feel like this is still

525
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,440
two hundred years before the first alien. So David created

526
00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:10,599
the face hugger egg after doing a bunch of experimentation,

527
00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:14,799
and then that goes off to being with the engineers.

528
00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:18,119
The engineers take them and start dropping eggs and creating eggs,

529
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,519
putting eggs on ships everywhere, and like that. We know

530
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:23,319
in the first Alien movie that engineer ship was designed

531
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,359
to carry those eggs in there because there was like

532
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:27,519
a the guy's talking about how there's a layer here,

533
00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:29,559
it's keeping them in like a stasis, and he's going

534
00:24:29,559 --> 00:24:32,599
into detail about it all. So yeah, obviously one day,

535
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:33,880
I don't know, it's just seems.

536
00:24:33,599 --> 00:24:35,720
Speaker 1: That's a sho way to Covenant, because Covenant they do

537
00:24:35,839 --> 00:24:38,960
answer all that stuff. They answer how they really. Yeah,

538
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,960
they like because when you're like, oh, there's so few

539
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,160
of them, Covenant gives you the full answer of like

540
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:45,079
why these all these aliens would still be around all

541
00:24:45,079 --> 00:24:45,799
these years later.

542
00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:48,799
Speaker 3: I do remember a couple of those scenes.

543
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: I don't I just watched it today as well. I

544
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,480
was just watching them all. So yeah, they full on

545
00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:55,000
answer like how would this happen? Well, that's how what happens.

546
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:57,440
So that's why, like this Alien is like just supposed

547
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,559
to be the you know, the the volume one. It's

548
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:02,400
supposed to be like what starts it? You know, if

549
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,599
there's a there's no other one. But it's like that,

550
00:25:04,759 --> 00:25:07,079
it's an Adam and Eve, it's a you know the

551
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:07,839
first person.

552
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, super Cliffhangery in this movie, of course.

553
00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:13,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, but they don't ever touch upon that again, right like,

554
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,000
So that's that's unfortunately, have loved scenes the Neomorph coming

555
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:19,319
out of the engineer that's never touched upon.

556
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,559
Speaker 1: I guess no, I guess it's left on this planet.

557
00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:25,799
But it would be on that planet to now start

558
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:28,240
reproducing and everything like that, right like.

559
00:25:28,279 --> 00:25:31,759
Speaker 5: But it would need other organics, right because these things

560
00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:35,480
like you like, it's all the time in these movies.

561
00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, you know, that's that's a whole lot of Covenant

562
00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:40,319
is oh, let's stop of this planet. And then it's like,

563
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,319
oh shit, we shouldn't have stop this planet. So all

564
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,920
takes is one ship to land there. They're looking for

565
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,839
Prometheus because here's one little thing and Covenant they talk

566
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,680
about that it's legend that Prometheus went missing, so you

567
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,720
could think that maybe people when looking for them. So

568
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:56,039
if I think if one person lands down there, it's

569
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,920
not gonna go well, for like for the the Neinomorph,

570
00:25:59,039 --> 00:26:01,079
like whatever, how are they re produce or whatever they do,

571
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,440
or they could just be self reproducing, right, We don't

572
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,920
know what the more neo morph does. Right, it could

573
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:07,559
be that true.

574
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 5: I doubt it would be a self reproducing thing based

575
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,640
on really Scott because we look at that first movie

576
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,000
and how he want they wanted to do the alien.

577
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,279
Uh you have the face hugger out of the egg.

578
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:22,119
Face hugger impregnates human, Human, gives worth to alien, Alien

579
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,920
captures human, Alien turns human into an egg, egg, spouts

580
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,880
out face hugger face egg goes on human. When we

581
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,200
look at this movie, he's kind of mimicking that in

582
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:34,519
its own way, like you have pathogen put into man.

583
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:34,839
Speaker 2: Man.

584
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:39,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, sleeps with woman, Woman gives birth to giant face

585
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:44,000
hugger faceugger triple or something. Yeah, it's the trilobite, I

586
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,599
think is Yeah, there's so many different stages of this

587
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:48,839
life cycle I get.

588
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: I think that the thing at the end was just

589
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,599
to show what would happen if you do those experiments,

590
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,720
and that's what happens in coment where you do those

591
00:26:56,759 --> 00:26:58,759
that lead to the alien ones. I think it's just

592
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:01,519
kind of like a caughttionary tale of Oh, this is

593
00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:04,440
what if more of this happens, This is what would happen.

594
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,480
So I can't tell you what the neomorph's doing nowadays.

595
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:10,279
You know, maybe they're just hanging out there and doing

596
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:13,279
their thing, but I think it's like a mini version

597
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:15,039
of that. I will say too as well, just as

598
00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:17,680
a cheap plug. We will probably talk about this film again.

599
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,440
Check out Geek First Day because this is a twenty

600
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,799
twelve film, so you're getting We're not doing full reviews

601
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:23,440
for those films, but you're a getting one right now.

602
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,400
And I'm sure we'll talk about in some categories. So

603
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,880
Geek fst Day, we're doing our twenty twelve Golden Geeks.

604
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,960
That's our oscar Is, So it'll be this and other

605
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,880
movies up for contention, so look out for that. But

606
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,759
I just want to remind her before we and Patron

607
00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:36,880
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608
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609
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,799
you can continue on that. I just wanted to before

610
00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:43,359
we were going.

611
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 5: Glad you mentioned it. But yeah, I think as much

612
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,839
as I love how this this movie starts, and there's

613
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,680
certain things that characters make, like Shirley's Theron's character. I

614
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,279
feel like they kind of they give you hope and

615
00:27:58,279 --> 00:27:59,160
then they just snuff it.

616
00:27:59,200 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: Like I don't know.

617
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 5: That kind of like a disappointing end to with I

618
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,200
thought she would survive, but it only like within a

619
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:06,720
thirty seconds later she just dies. So there's not much

620
00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:08,359
to that, but some of the.

621
00:28:08,279 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 2: Things that she would have liked.

622
00:28:10,319 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: To, yeah, I would have liked to for sure. That's

623
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,599
a calling for me. And like, no, I'm on the

624
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,119
Bandwagonna Taylor of hope because I'm like, I'm not like, oh,

625
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,440
I need Vickers to survive, like because I like the character.

626
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,640
She's an intriguing character and very interesting, and I feel

627
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,279
they don't do as much as they could, especially with

628
00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:30,279
her and David. The last thing we see is hey,

629
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:32,759
turn your columns on camera. He gets the engineers, he

630
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,480
turns it off. They never interact ever again, and it's

631
00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:37,880
very oh, I guess when Waylan's there, but I just

632
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,319
feel like one on one, it's just that feels like

633
00:28:40,359 --> 00:28:42,119
it's such an interesting thing. Lots of people have a

634
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,519
theory that she's an android as well, Like there's lots

635
00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,039
of stuff with the Vickers sing where and they have

636
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:50,079
good chemistry too, like that scene where she's intimidating him

637
00:28:50,079 --> 00:28:53,440
and she's like just like face palm him against the

638
00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:55,160
because he can't do anything right. It's like in its

639
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,079
protocol that like I imagine, you can't just go off

640
00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:59,559
and start being up Vickers. So she's just like kind

641
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:02,039
of like almost like an abusive mother in a situation

642
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:05,480
with a child. And it's that character and a relationship

643
00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:07,920
with her father. I think it's very interesting. And that's

644
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:09,519
a third act thing where I hate that she just

645
00:29:09,599 --> 00:29:12,359
dies by she gets crushes, even if it to me

646
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:15,640
was David killing like something. The fact that she just

647
00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:19,359
dies because something falls, it's like, oh, that's that's really right,

648
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:19,599
you know.

649
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 5: That's where that's what I was referring to with the hope.

650
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,519
Because she ejects from the pod, I'm thinking, okay, like

651
00:29:24,519 --> 00:29:27,440
there's hope here that she's gonna survive, she's gonna she'll

652
00:29:27,559 --> 00:29:29,240
she'll make it out of this. But that's where it's

653
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,920
snuffed because no, she just runs and the ship crashes

654
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:32,640
on top of her.

655
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:36,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't put in the trivia. They do say

656
00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:38,759
that when you are in that hya adrenaline, you do

657
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,319
just run forward, but it's still just buggs me every

658
00:29:41,319 --> 00:29:43,200
single time watching this movie that they just continue to

659
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,880
run forward and then you know, uh, Shaw eventually turns

660
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,920
to the left. But Vickers is just so I get

661
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,559
that there's some scientific stuff behind it, but I wish,

662
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:52,599
just wish there was.

663
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:53,079
Speaker 2: A different way.

664
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:57,759
Speaker 3: And it's ship is so massive that you would not

665
00:29:57,839 --> 00:30:01,160
be quick enough to get out of the I think

666
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:01,640
to me.

667
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,759
Speaker 1: The problem is the ship rolls for so long. It's

668
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:05,839
if it was an automatic that got it ounce right there.

669
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,279
But they're running for like thirty seconds. And that's where

670
00:30:08,279 --> 00:30:10,960
I feel like, even if you can't be worth the try,

671
00:30:11,119 --> 00:30:13,839
and Shaw rolls though she didn't even run, she rolls

672
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,920
out of the way, you know. So it's just I

673
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:17,839
don't know, I wish there was another way to gets rolled.

674
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: She doesn't until she doesn't.

675
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. You mentioned there is kind of a

676
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,880
theory out there that she is an android, because obviously

677
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,039
there's that joke that iNeST Elba has with her. But

678
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:31,359
I never I never really thought about it more than that.

679
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,079
I mean, now you mentioned it's like, yeah, she does

680
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,680
kind of have like I guess she almost like her

681
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,799
performance comes across as out of an android to extent,

682
00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:43,640
I think she may be a bit too angry or

683
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,400
snarky relative for the ones we've seen before, which are

684
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,519
maybe a bit more like cool and calm on on

685
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:53,640
in terms of like I don't know, there's their general demeanor.

686
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:56,759
But you know, obviously if she looks different, we are

687
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:59,039
to believe that she would be of a different make

688
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,960
you know, she would be different skew because it seems

689
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,680
like the androids are like built, you know, all using

690
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,079
the same likeness. I guess, like if I'm buying the

691
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,519
David version, like they all look exactly the same lemons.

692
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 5: So to counter this now, I think with her, she

693
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,960
obviously gets asked by dress of this character like are

694
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,759
you a robot? And she's she counters that with like, yeah,

695
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:22,359
we'll go sleep with each other. But then we also

696
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,880
know David wears the helmet to blend in or the

697
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,440
space suit he doesn't actually need it. But then when

698
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,720
she's about to eject from the pod, she's panicking like

699
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:32,440
she needs to put that suit on because it's her life, right.

700
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:34,799
Speaker 2: And add to that too, like why would she be

701
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,960
asleep like right when at the beginning, when David's awake

702
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,240
the whole time, like just getting knowledge, like why would

703
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,400
she have to do hyperd People point out the whole

704
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,480
jacked up afterwards, like do push ups but androids androids?

705
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's people pointing out that, and people just

706
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:52,079
point out the whole thing is like it's like a

707
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:54,519
programming thing to her, like she could be android, but

708
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,160
it's like almost she has to an interesting concept.

709
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,279
Speaker 2: And that's something that's an avenue. I wish they went

710
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:01,119
on because I just kind of see her as a

711
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,279
wasted potential. Like I like the performance of Charlie's. I

712
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:07,039
think she's fantastic. It's just like I was waiting for

713
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,640
something else to happen, Like her interactions with David. I

714
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,160
think those were fantastic. Again, Like it that goes down

715
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,400
to the performance. It's just like I was waiting for

716
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,920
an interaction with that. I was waiting for a better

717
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,480
interaction maybe with Whalen. Like we just get to this

718
00:32:19,559 --> 00:32:22,440
whole point and she's just like a disregarded child and

719
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,640
like that's just been her thing, that she's just never

720
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,240
been a good enough child in her father's eyes or

721
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:30,559
whatever it might be. And then she just gets crushed

722
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:32,319
by the ship at the end, Like it just seemed

723
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:35,200
like a lot of a waste to like we could

724
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,839
have just had, you know, like the tough what's even

725
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,200
her position because she's not the captain Actually I dresses

726
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:41,640
the captain.

727
00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:44,279
Speaker 1: She's just yeah, the company.

728
00:32:44,319 --> 00:32:48,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's kind of like heading the mission though. Yeah,

729
00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:52,160
I think she still has a like clearance level over him.

730
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,079
Speaker 1: She does. Yeah, but she also didn't have to go

731
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,119
because Whalen says that he's like, oh, I'm surprised you

732
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,240
actually came out, So she could have just hired somebody, right,

733
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:01,519
It's not like Walen's that, hey, you had to do this.

734
00:33:01,599 --> 00:33:02,799
I think she just had to do this for X,

735
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,480
Y and Z. But she definitely has the higher ranking

736
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:07,960
than everybody. Yeah.

737
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,039
Speaker 3: I almost feel like it would make more sense if,

738
00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:13,680
like the theory would be that she is like unknowingly

739
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,960
and android, like like somehow they've like, yeah, this model

740
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,079
is advanced enough that they maybe don't know. But then

741
00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:23,519
it's like, well, that's never gonna be ever explored in

742
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:25,759
another movie again, so like what's the point of really

743
00:33:26,039 --> 00:33:29,400
even breaking it down at that point? But that's interesting.

744
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,200
I would go team She's human if I had to pick, though.

745
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 2: I would as well.

746
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,079
Speaker 1: I think so too, I think, because I think it

747
00:33:35,119 --> 00:33:37,400
also makes the dynamic better with her and David that

748
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:42,400
Waylan kind of appreciates this created like hand created son

749
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:44,960
versus your actual natural born daughter, and there's that actual

750
00:33:45,319 --> 00:33:48,599
hatred there. But I like it as like a like

751
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,880
a you don't know. That's how I take it in

752
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,440
when I watch, like, oh, could we be either way?

753
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:53,640
I like the unanswered question.

754
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 3: I think it's interesting that he at the start of

755
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,480
the movie, David calls her mother and then at the

756
00:33:59,599 --> 00:34:02,240
end she calls way than father, right, so like that

757
00:34:02,279 --> 00:34:05,079
could be the angle, yes, like the creation, like does

758
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,119
she mean father's in creation or father is in uh.

759
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:09,519
Speaker 1: Like bio biologically.

760
00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting.

761
00:34:10,519 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, and I think so. And I

762
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,760
think the writer has said that he didn't intend it that,

763
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,840
like not intent like it has to be that. But

764
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,920
there's fun charts of the pros and cons list, and

765
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,039
I kind of like that. But again, all in all,

766
00:34:22,079 --> 00:34:25,079
I just wish there was whether she's human robot, just

767
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:27,760
a better end to that story. It just kind of

768
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:29,320
feels like she's an afterma And I don't know if

769
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,280
I had anything to do with so originally she was.

770
00:34:31,519 --> 00:34:34,280
I'm throwing all my trivia Earlier she was cast as Shaw,

771
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,119
but then she had scheduling conflicts and couldn't be Shaw,

772
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,840
so that's where they reduced to Roll to Vickers. So

773
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,840
that's why I also wanted that too. But it's just like, well,

774
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,039
we only got Charlie's for this amount. I still think

775
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:46,079
there's a better way to do it again. I still

776
00:34:46,119 --> 00:34:49,039
think even like David, I don't know, killing her, but

777
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:52,320
something like him being setting her up in a way

778
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,639
to say, when he kind of set up hall Away,

779
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,639
I think there's more interests there, like some way. And

780
00:34:56,679 --> 00:34:58,840
that's where somebody just strikes me and says, ah, did

781
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:00,320
they have her? And then it's like a we only

782
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,119
actually got like a week after Charlie's, Like I just

783
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,000
that it got crashed, like this is a big death

784
00:35:04,039 --> 00:35:05,320
for like it's a you know, it's a it's a

785
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,559
cool visual moment, like the scale of its massive, you know,

786
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:10,239
like they do a great job make you feel like man,

787
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,039
like your your heart sinks. But I wish there was more.

788
00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:15,320
But yeah, it's a fun character and I think Charlie

789
00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:17,800
is uh is good. I always want to know more

790
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:18,239
about her.

791
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,199
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean I was thinking about that too,

792
00:35:20,199 --> 00:35:22,239
Like at the end of this, if she were to

793
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:26,360
survive that the crash at least, like, what would she

794
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,519
do from there? Like, I like, maybe there's some tech,

795
00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:31,400
maybe she could get a message out or you know,

796
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,639
a distress signal of some sort, but more than likely

797
00:35:34,639 --> 00:35:36,760
she would get fucked up by the neo more and

798
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,039
then like maybe that would continue to cycle or something.

799
00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:40,960
But it's like I don't I don't think there's maybe

800
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,599
there's food on this planet, but I think the idea

801
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:46,039
is that like the engineers have like intentionally kind of

802
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,840
killed this planet to something. Yes, life on it, right,

803
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,440
So I don't know what she would have done.

804
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 5: The life pod, right, that's two years of life and

805
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,599
that's prolonging your death that's gonna come.

806
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: So there you go two years? Or does she just

807
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,400
catch a ryot with David and uh, I guess that

808
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:04,239
probably pretty solid electronics and until I get a message out,

809
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:04,760
but who knows.

810
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,519
Speaker 3: Like they're really far away from civilization right, so.

811
00:36:08,639 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: Well they were they were in cryo sleep for what

812
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,079
over two years? So if anyone's gonna come savor like

813
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:15,840
they gonna leave now.

814
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,760
Speaker 1: Hooped, But you might got to put speed on that.

815
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,679
She's the whaling air, right, so you can get a

816
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:25,079
big bank if you find a way, But.

817
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 3: Then you have whoever is next in line after her,

818
00:36:27,559 --> 00:36:30,519
and maybe they you know David, they try their best

819
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:32,800
to hide that so that they can kill.

820
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 5: Like Burke, they're turning the camera.

821
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: Off and that's like not not to like not to

822
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,480
like like tangent Us. But that's I'm so curious what

823
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:43,800
the Alien TV show us because that's the movie, and

824
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,199
then we know what Romulus is. But like the Alien

825
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:47,800
Earth one, it's like, I feel like they're gonna have

826
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,000
some of these dynamics. I'm not saying they're going to

827
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,320
tie into Prometheus in Covenant, because I think they might

828
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,159
pass those by. And that's gonna say you're talking about

829
00:36:55,199 --> 00:36:57,079
like why did he go this route? I think it's

830
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,119
just like because like also, you had the two a

831
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:01,280
VP movies, which like the Action once and then he

832
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:03,920
had all those sequels. I just don't know what more.

833
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,119
And he felt that way too, because the people don't

834
00:37:06,159 --> 00:37:09,280
know Neil blomb Camp. He was working on an alien

835
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,599
movie with Signorey Weaver and they're bringing back Hicks and everything,

836
00:37:12,599 --> 00:37:15,239
and they're bringing back Newt and they were gonna do

837
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,800
just a sequel from after two. They're gonna ignore all

838
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,679
the other ones and do that sort of thing. And

839
00:37:19,679 --> 00:37:22,800
I think, for whatever reason, you know, pro con because

840
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,840
some people wish they got that instead of this. I

841
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,639
think he just didn't feel there was any more to explore,

842
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,480
like in the future and even the eighties. Remember he

843
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:31,719
was pitching like, if I come back, I really want

844
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:33,239
to tell like the how they were creat So I

845
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,679
think for him as a creator, he just didn't feel

846
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,639
like the sequels as cause, and I kind of agree

847
00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:40,119
with him. Once we had to three and four, it's like,

848
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:43,280
there's not more you can really there is more you

849
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,880
can do, but I guess it just wasn't the wasn't

850
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,199
worth the risk of those movies. I don't think they

851
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,400
added enough to be like, oh, these sequels really feel

852
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,480
like we need to expand the story. I think Aliens

853
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,559
I'm fine with, but then the rest of them, I

854
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:57,239
just go, well, is there any move forward? Because even Romulus,

855
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,920
like I'm excited, but like, even look at Evil DEVI with,

856
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,679
he just does like Eield dead again but updated and

857
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,440
a bit more gnarly and whatnot. I think this is

858
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,159
gonna be what Alien Romins is. I think it's just

859
00:38:07,159 --> 00:38:10,480
gonna be like alien aliens put together with a new

860
00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:12,239
fresh coat of pain. I don't think it's gonna be

861
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:13,400
about maybe a couple.

862
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,159
Speaker 3: Of Easter eggs in there that the fans can like really

863
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,119
dig into in terms of what it means for the

864
00:38:18,159 --> 00:38:18,719
Greater Loure.

865
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,519
Speaker 1: But yeah, well, I think really Scott, especially at that age,

866
00:38:21,519 --> 00:38:23,960
want to talk about creation and what does it mean

867
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,559
to be a faith person versus a science based person,

868
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:28,559
where I don't think rominss is gonna do that. I

869
00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:31,440
think Romins is gonna be gnarly, let's fight and escape

870
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,119
some aliens. So I think that's just why he wanted

871
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:34,559
to do this, just try.

872
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,159
Speaker 5: To make people question their gods.

873
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: I think so.

874
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:44,679
Speaker 4: And I'm my favorite scene, not that none, Okay, one

875
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:46,440
of my fas I will say my favorite, but one

876
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,480
of my favorite scenes is when David's talking a Holloway

877
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,519
and he's like, well, why did you create us.

878
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: Just because we could? And he says, wouldn't that be

879
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,760
so disappointed if you got that answer? And that creates

880
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,480
such a dynamic where we think about God like for us.

881
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: If we think about his response to that too, of well,

882
00:39:02,559 --> 00:39:04,880
you can't get this a good thing. You can't get disappointed, then,

883
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,719
is it? And David I all conversation out. I love

884
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,559
that conversation.

885
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so good. And what I love in that thing

886
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,039
too is before he poisons Halloway, he like checks with him.

887
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:16,599
He's like, would you do anything to get your answers?

888
00:39:16,599 --> 00:39:18,880
And he says yes, there, Well let's toast that. So

889
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,679
it's almost like if Halloway said no, he wouldn't have

890
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:24,480
done it. Like that's like because there's like a distinctive

891
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:27,039
thing there. And that's what I love about all these humans,

892
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,400
same thing. We talk about life and death. But when

893
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,880
they get the answer of you know, one they were

894
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,599
just created because the engineers could and two the engineers

895
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,119
looked at humans, says ah, this was a mistake. We

896
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:39,320
screwed up. So it's like somewhere like let's say right

897
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,800
now twenty twenty four, we have creators that are watching us.

898
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:44,119
You know what, this is a fail experiment. Let's just

899
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:47,480
exile this and start over. So that's what I I

900
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:49,679
love those questions where I don't think if you move

901
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,960
forward an alien and it's just you're fighting the Zeno

902
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,239
more fucking covenant, I don't think you can get those

903
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,920
and rownless. I don't think you're gonna get those either.

904
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,639
It's not gonna be what is my place in the world.

905
00:39:57,639 --> 00:39:59,800
It's just oh, this guy, there's a I'm pregnant with

906
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:00,679
any alien again?

907
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,639
Speaker 5: You know that topic of conversation there, it's I think

908
00:40:04,639 --> 00:40:07,039
it's it's a great scene and yeah, my go Fastbener

909
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:11,199
just fucking kills it. Uh Now there's It makes me

910
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,800
laugh because you have Guy Pearce's kind of dialogue with

911
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,480
Shaw where he's like, oh, what would I can't remember

912
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:22,320
his name, but what would he do? You know he died,

913
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,400
but we're so close to talking to them and asking

914
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:29,000
hill Wallay, Halloway died, what would you do now? Like

915
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,639
we're so close to ask a supporting question human history?

916
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,599
Yeah yeah, yeaha like we found them alive. And then

917
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,840
Shaw goes to tell that to the captain. I just

918
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,480
alba literally she says the same thing and he just

919
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,119
he turns her. And I love this so much because

920
00:40:43,119 --> 00:40:46,119
he's like, I don't care, yeah, and I think that's great.

921
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:49,119
Speaker 1: And then because that shows the ideologies where we talked

922
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:51,239
about that like on After nine like that, like that's

923
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,760
where I am religious wise, where I'm not I can't

924
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,239
remember what the term is. I'm not like, A, no, yeah,

925
00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:58,079
I'm not a non believer in God. I'm not believing

926
00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:00,360
in God. But in that situation of that, k you

927
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,119
meet your creators or I can get out of here.

928
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:04,519
I don't need that question answered. I'm gonna go live

929
00:41:04,559 --> 00:41:06,440
my life. So irisselfa I like, but he's like, yeah,

930
00:41:07,159 --> 00:41:09,199
I don't give a fuck about this, let's just leave.

931
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,519
But she and her husband are very faith based or

932
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:14,679
they want to see this through, right, And that's where

933
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,320
iris Elba is just like the greater good for him

934
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,239
and his crew. They still sacrifice himself. But why does

935
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:22,639
he do that so that won't go to Earth or

936
00:41:22,679 --> 00:41:26,440
wherever and mess everything up? Yeah, exactly right. And that's

937
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,719
where you see between David, between Whalen, between Holloway and Shaw.

938
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:32,920
You don't get them vicars, vicars just there for the money,

939
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,360
that's what she gets about. But iris Alva, you see

940
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,039
about four to five different points of view that are

941
00:41:38,039 --> 00:41:40,320
on this same topic in question.

942
00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 2: So fucking h what's the name. Sean Harris's character too,

943
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,519
he's just there for the money. Yeah, just there for

944
00:41:46,559 --> 00:41:52,039
the money, fucking friend. Whatever he says to Buddy.

945
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: Think about that acid melting glass and glass like just

946
00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,119
it goes, it merges with your face. That has to be.

947
00:42:00,119 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 5: When the black goop then like splashes on you too,

948
00:42:04,119 --> 00:42:05,440
Like it's just horrible.

949
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:08,039
Speaker 1: When he comes back later, his body is like folded up,

950
00:42:08,119 --> 00:42:10,119
it's just like horrifying.

951
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 5: Oh like that gate lowers and you stand. You go

952
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,360
out there and you see him and you think, okay,

953
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,880
we'll run like that, well, yeah, who put the body here?

954
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,079
You have to do so that this fucker got here

955
00:42:20,119 --> 00:42:22,519
on his own and he's in exorcist mode.

956
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: Like yeah, yeah, it's not good. I think both this

957
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:30,159
and comment they suffer from some people not making the

958
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,679
smart decisions, like the scientist being like hey, little guy,

959
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:37,039
like what a fucking idiot. It's just like the second

960
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:40,199
I don't understand. I wouldn't understand.

961
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 3: Piles of bodies all around this fortress.

962
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but even if it comes up, it's just like

963
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,400
that snake thing, Okay, but when it like spreads and

964
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:51,679
like you're like okay, no, let's get darn yeah level exactly. Yeah,

965
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:53,599
but it is scary when you have him on the

966
00:42:53,599 --> 00:42:55,719
calm and he's just like it's breaking my arms, breaking around,

967
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,800
and then you get that snap and then they use

968
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,599
the break arm to like go up there and just

969
00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:03,599
goes in his mouth like that. I hate the horrifying scene,

970
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:04,679
just awful.

971
00:43:05,119 --> 00:43:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just goes to zero to one hundred and

972
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,239
like instantly, and then like this, like the score just

973
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,000
terrifies you too because it's so intense. And then you

974
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,000
have Sean Harris's character is just like I don't want

975
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,639
to touch it. It's like just fucking cut it off,

976
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,920
like cut the whole damn arm off at that point.

977
00:43:20,519 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: And then if you've seen Alien, you just know like, oh,

978
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:23,880
the cutting is not gonna help, you know, like it's

979
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:24,559
the only gonna do.

980
00:43:24,599 --> 00:43:26,599
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it didn't, It didn't.

981
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,119
Speaker 1: It made it worse for Sean Harris. He could have left,

982
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,320
He should have just left him.

983
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,559
Speaker 2: Unfortunately for him, they bonded though, you know, you say

984
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:34,320
he didn't want a friend. He died with a friend

985
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:34,960
in that day.

986
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,519
Speaker 1: God, what a terrible situation too. You're on this plane

987
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:39,320
you don't know, and they've lost coms. I've told you

988
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,800
just to hang tight for a night, geez.

989
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 3: Then the captain's off just banging together captain leaving you

990
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:47,639
in the dark too. Like that.

991
00:43:47,639 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: That was Savage from Yeah, I agree.

992
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 2: Even at least they did leave on their own their

993
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,239
own free will, right, Like they could have just stayed

994
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:57,039
with the crew. I don't know how they didn't find

995
00:43:57,039 --> 00:43:59,239
their way out of there. I guess I guess it's

996
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,320
an amazing happens. And people got out the really fast

997
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,800
in the hurry. I guess they had David. Maybe he's

998
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,079
like a nice compass to have.

999
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, how did they get lost? I feel like, did

1000
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,840
I miss that? Or they just they just got missing.

1001
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:11,599
Speaker 2: They're just dumb.

1002
00:44:11,679 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they just see something and then the crew's

1003
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,880
like on a different way and everything like that, and

1004
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:16,960
they're just like like.

1005
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:20,519
Speaker 2: Oh, look a little When we go to them now,

1006
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,400
because it's like like our main crew gets to the

1007
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,480
ATV's whatever, they are like, oh, they must have left already.

1008
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,079
So like their vehicle was just gone, but they weren't

1009
00:44:31,079 --> 00:44:34,000
on it, right, like, like, is that what happened or

1010
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:35,239
was there only ever two vehicles?

1011
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 5: Well, they caught up there was like a big tanker

1012
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:39,360
that was ahead of them, and then they got on

1013
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,920
the two ATV squad things and you see them catch

1014
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,239
up to the big tanker rig. So I think they

1015
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:45,239
assumed they were inside.

1016
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 2: Oh, okay, okay, that makes sense. It just goes to

1017
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,880
them and yeah, like storm is like it's been happening.

1018
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,880
It's not like it just happened, like it's been happening,

1019
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:58,360
and checks with them, and they're like, they find just

1020
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:03,679
a fucking pile like mass of these old aliens nightmare fuels.

1021
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,639
They're down deep chambers that they never should have been in.

1022
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,280
I feel like I would have been right at like

1023
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,519
the waiting room, and just like I'm not going any

1024
00:45:11,559 --> 00:45:13,079
deeper into this. I don't know how much that would

1025
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:15,599
have held. That little worm probably still would have found them,

1026
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:18,639
but well, the note it's boring in that day.

1027
00:45:18,519 --> 00:45:20,559
Speaker 5: The note of the worms. So they get the ping

1028
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:22,719
and I just goes in the comma says, hey, we

1029
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,599
got movement that's up ahead, and there they made the

1030
00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:29,320
decision to go the opposite direction where the worms are,

1031
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:31,480
back where they came from. Are we supposed to assume

1032
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,119
that the movement that it was up ahead was just

1033
00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:34,039
more worms?

1034
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: I think so, or just more because they they go like, oh,

1035
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,400
it's a glitch, I think, but I think it was

1036
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:42,159
more stuff like that, which you know, better directions given

1037
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:43,440
in the first Alien movie of.

1038
00:45:45,079 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 5: That way, don't go that way.

1039
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,440
Speaker 1: At least at least Charlie and him could have like

1040
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:54,960
got it on the deck so he could have like

1041
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:56,159
kept an eye on them, you know.

1042
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:59,519
Speaker 2: But the thing with the worms too, I definitely didn't

1043
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:02,320
catch us in the first viewing, which I'm assuming those

1044
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,400
worms were like the little earthworms that they step on, right,

1045
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,480
and then they just mutate. Yeah, okay, yeah.

1046
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 5: They kept emphasizing the little worms going into like the

1047
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:13,079
black ooze once the pressure in the.

1048
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:17,840
Speaker 2: Room changed, so you know, that changed like a high evolutionary.

1049
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,280
Speaker 1: Should have stayed up, you know, should have should have

1050
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:20,800
stayed up.

1051
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 2: So should have stayed up? I mean what do you

1052
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:24,800
mean by that?

1053
00:46:25,039 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: Like not gone down there, like like they've not done

1054
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:30,519
any of this, like they should have liked like like

1055
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:32,679
I they do find their makers. I guess something got

1056
00:46:32,679 --> 00:46:34,960
their answers and everything like that. They get the space shockey,

1057
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,119
which was.

1058
00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:39,119
Speaker 2: Like the I was gonna say, can you imagine like

1059
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:41,800
meeting your maker, like this is your meeting the person

1060
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,400
or I guess not him individually, the people that crafted

1061
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,840
you and the fucking decks you in the face with

1062
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,920
like a haymaker. Just George Foreman, right, like right, power,

1063
00:46:52,039 --> 00:46:56,960
and the kisser like man liter roll punch to the face.

1064
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 7: Believes, well, that's why I shaw. She sees that and

1065
00:47:04,519 --> 00:47:06,719
she's like, I gotta know why they wanted to kill us,

1066
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,000
and I saw that punch and everything. Let's talk about

1067
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:13,199
engineers because they have quite the lore where this is

1068
00:47:13,199 --> 00:47:15,559
where I feel like the community divides, because you got

1069
00:47:15,559 --> 00:47:18,760
the space Shockey in the first Alien and for decades

1070
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:20,639
I was like, what's the deal with this thing?

1071
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,679
Speaker 1: What's under there? And ridge of the design was to

1072
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,400
make them look like that, like they're dark girlmost elfin like.

1073
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:28,360
But then they I think they just didn't like it,

1074
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,119
and they say, well, let's make that Dexo skin and

1075
00:47:30,159 --> 00:47:33,559
then they decide on these very big kind of you know,

1076
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:39,000
I won't say godlike, but definitely more alien type. Yes, absolutely,

1077
00:47:39,039 --> 00:47:42,519
that's one the beginning. My goodness. Yeah, I don't want

1078
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:44,440
to see those UFC fights they got on that planet.

1079
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,519
That's like some of the best fights in the world.

1080
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,719
But yeah, which the beginning. I still it's still like

1081
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,039
it we have one that kills himself and then you

1082
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,079
move forward and then you have this one who is

1083
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:58,719
the space Jockey or something like that. They you know,

1084
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,559
it at least explains. Okay, what is the spacehographer in

1085
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:05,039
the first Alien? It is exoskeleton too, our creators, And yeah,

1086
00:48:05,079 --> 00:48:07,360
what do you guys feel about the the engineers is

1087
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,800
kind of our gods here their look, you know, some

1088
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,480
of the story we get here, et cetera.

1089
00:48:14,079 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 3: I think it's I think it's pretty cool. I like

1090
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,639
the I think the opening sequence of this movie is

1091
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:22,840
is really neat. I think it's it's not too long either,

1092
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,280
Like I feel like it just sets the scene in

1093
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:28,639
a pretty good way. But yeah, I guess for me

1094
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,360
it was it was fun to kind of put those

1095
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,760
pieces together since I'm kind of watching all these back

1096
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:35,719
to back, which I didn't do the other times i've

1097
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,119
seen Prometheus, but to see those kind of connections and

1098
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,239
kind of getting more understanding more of how that works.

1099
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:45,440
So yeah, I think it's I think it's interesting. I

1100
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,639
think it's cool, like the sequences when they're kind of

1101
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:51,760
comparing the DNA and wow, there's so this is a

1102
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,320
perfect match with our DNA we come from them, Like

1103
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,639
all that stuff is is pretty interesting to me. I

1104
00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:58,719
feel like I still just have so many questions though,

1105
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,800
and that's where I'm like a little on settled, and

1106
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,920
I'm curious to rewatch Covenant here and get some of

1107
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,480
those questions answered. But for at least what's here, I

1108
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,199
I'm into it. I think it's all good fun world

1109
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:10,960
building lore.

1110
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I quite like them too. I like the opening

1111
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:18,159
because it like it sets up that he took the

1112
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:22,800
goo and then that like like what happened there, Like

1113
00:49:23,039 --> 00:49:26,320
did he change his DNA there? Like for us, is

1114
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,639
that what that scene was or.

1115
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:32,239
Speaker 1: Is just yeah, I think so himself he saw the humans,

1116
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,960
He's like, oh my god, look what we created. No,

1117
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:38,639
I think the natras like he's like like a seed

1118
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,920
to the planet for doing it, like to start something,

1119
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:42,159
you know.

1120
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 2: That's what I that's what I took it out because

1121
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,679
they show like the cells starting to kind of Yes.

1122
00:49:46,679 --> 00:49:49,519
Speaker 1: He's been given the directive of the chosen One, you know.

1123
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, so I I like it. I like the

1124
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:55,199
designs of everything. I do. Like the Exo seats, Exo suits.

1125
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,840
I love that they're just huge too, like not just

1126
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:02,760
shredded and like the definition their muscles, but just really large. Yes,

1127
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,119
that whole aspect because it makes like the like the

1128
00:50:06,119 --> 00:50:09,159
scale of the ship just massive, right, because like especially

1129
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:11,119
when they first get there, they they don't know how

1130
00:50:11,159 --> 00:50:13,400
deep these caverns go or anything like that. And then

1131
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,000
you just see these holograms of these things just running

1132
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,440
around and be very very trippy, especially like it's one

1133
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,079
thing to go to another planet that's amazing in and

1134
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:24,920
of itself. But you get there, you find these structures

1135
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:27,840
and they're like, I can't tell if this is natural

1136
00:50:28,119 --> 00:50:29,599
or not. I think you have hollow it. That says

1137
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:32,920
the line like God doesn't draw in or Creighton then

1138
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,880
like straight lines. He like he like makes the note

1139
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:37,440
that like this is probably crafted. You do all that,

1140
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:40,159
you find these caverns that look like they're crafted, But

1141
00:50:40,199 --> 00:50:43,920
then you see like a hologram of an actual humanoid,

1142
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,880
like that would just blow your mind. And then and

1143
00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,960
then and then you see the damn thing, and like,

1144
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,599
if you are a believer in any type of religion

1145
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:54,840
in that moment, like that just would probably shatter your

1146
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,639
whole realm of existence, right Like it forces you to

1147
00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:01,119
rethink it because it's not just all what if? Right, like,

1148
00:51:01,119 --> 00:51:02,679
it's right in front of you. The evidence is right

1149
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,519
in front of you. And I think, what's his name?

1150
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:10,360
Milburn and Sean Harris's character Byfield or something like that

1151
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,960
whatever his name was, uh, like going through and this

1152
00:51:14,039 --> 00:51:15,719
is when they find the whole bodies and he's.

1153
00:51:15,599 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 1: Like, is that real?

1154
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 2: It's like, of course, it's fucking real. Like it's like

1155
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,639
it's right fucking there. And yeah, they're just like in

1156
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,760
disbelief because a lot of these characters like they were

1157
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:26,239
in it for the paycheck, right, and they're like, I

1158
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,519
don't think we're gonna find anything here, Like these scientists

1159
00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:30,119
are on this pipe dream, but then they get there

1160
00:51:30,159 --> 00:51:32,199
and it kind of forces them to rethink. And I

1161
00:51:32,599 --> 00:51:36,239
did like that they actually talked about those concepts of

1162
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,559
like the belief, like that is a big thing, especially

1163
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:40,920
with our main character Shaw, like right, like she's kinda

1164
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,719
like she she's always carrying her cross with her and

1165
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,360
David is asking her about that and like just questioning

1166
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,480
the whole belief aspect of it and how she just

1167
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,519
throughout all this like she I can't remember if it's

1168
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:56,360
with Holloway, but it's like okay, like I'm a believer,

1169
00:51:56,639 --> 00:51:59,599
but if these are craters, like do you believe in God? Well,

1170
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:00,920
it's like then who created them?

1171
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:01,159
Speaker 1: Right?

1172
00:52:01,199 --> 00:52:03,639
Speaker 2: Like like it like it's just this never ending thing,

1173
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:06,480
and I like that they pose those questions in the

1174
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:10,559
film itself. I think the issue with me with the

1175
00:52:10,599 --> 00:52:14,719
engineers is it's just I was waiting for like a nice, shiny,

1176
00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:18,079
easy palatable answer on like what all this was. And

1177
00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:20,400
maybe that's the point, is that you don't actually know

1178
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:24,719
their full their full uh motivations. Like they just they

1179
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:26,800
just hated us. They hated the way we look or something.

1180
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,719
We're not as chiseled as them. They don't like our

1181
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,559
paunches that we got, so they just they just send

1182
00:52:31,639 --> 00:52:34,679
these worm things to take out Earth. Like I maybe

1183
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:38,079
wanted a little bit of a nicer answer, But uh,

1184
00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:41,480
I do like the design of them. I like their Yeah,

1185
00:52:41,519 --> 00:52:43,920
the just their whole design across the board with the

1186
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:51,519
ships them and how we kind of get things revealed

1187
00:52:51,559 --> 00:52:54,719
through like David being like a little little sneaky being

1188
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,760
a little sneaky like like Sniegel and just doing his

1189
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,440
own things and he's just like doing these these little

1190
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,559
button presses. It's like, Okay, this guy's got like GTACH

1191
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,320
codes right now, and we're trying to just figure out

1192
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,760
where we are in this room. So I like all

1193
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,119
those moments. But yeah, with the engineers themselves, I like

1194
00:53:11,159 --> 00:53:13,519
it it's just I feel like I was wanting maybe

1195
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:16,039
more answers. But do you think that that's the point.

1196
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that. I feel like that's it

1197
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:20,519
might be a cop up, but I feel like that's

1198
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:23,679
the point because they're kind of trying to make a

1199
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,239
god like comparison where it's like you can't get all

1200
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,960
those answers. It's the same way as like enough, you know,

1201
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:31,159
because even even the movie ends with Shoppy like we're

1202
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:33,199
gonna go get our answers, right, and you know, we'll

1203
00:53:33,199 --> 00:53:35,039
see what happens to the next one. But that's where

1204
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:37,440
I feel like there's it's almost like so far because again,

1205
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,480
you could meet all the engineers, but like they talk

1206
00:53:39,519 --> 00:53:42,000
about who created them, and it's like, do all the

1207
00:53:42,039 --> 00:53:44,840
engineers feel that they need to go? Is there like

1208
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,159
a divide? Even then between the engineers is like half

1209
00:53:47,159 --> 00:53:50,159
the community like, well, we don't need to genocide these

1210
00:53:50,199 --> 00:53:53,239
things we created, right, And then you have David on

1211
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,559
the other side starting to create these things, and he

1212
00:53:55,679 --> 00:53:58,599
is like a so like to these not that they

1213
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:00,760
would have that, but there's like a god like complex

1214
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:04,639
for him, right, and it's uh, it's it's all interesting stuff.

1215
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:07,519
And the David stuff. I I love that he's doing

1216
00:54:07,519 --> 00:54:10,000
all he's He's on like a side quest. Well everyone's

1217
00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:12,840
on like life goes to hell Maine mission, but he's

1218
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:14,920
just like, I'm gonna see what this does and see

1219
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:16,400
what that does and everything.

1220
00:54:16,599 --> 00:54:21,119
Speaker 5: So we all finished crookha.

1221
00:54:23,119 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 1: Geek first, Well, no, I think we had a couple

1222
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,280
more what them.

1223
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 2: I enjoyed Geek first, Big Eyes.

1224
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: Let him go live on air. You're out, Kirkleam.

1225
00:54:36,159 --> 00:54:39,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, So getting a little bit more deep dive into

1226
00:54:39,159 --> 00:54:41,920
the engineers. It's it's quite something because you really don't

1227
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,719
know anything in that first alien movie. And it's interesting

1228
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:47,480
interesting what you said there, Travis, about just their exoskeleton

1229
00:54:47,519 --> 00:54:48,719
and just what they were underneath.

1230
00:54:50,119 --> 00:54:52,679
Speaker 1: No one was thinking that. No one was like everyone

1231
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:54,840
was thinking it was that thing like that was stuck

1232
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,719
on the ship for years, and I think everyone did

1233
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,800
think that was like the origin the alien or the xenomorph, Like,

1234
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:04,400
who knows. I wasn't around. There's probably no boards. I

1235
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,280
don't know if people talked about that. Were they like

1236
00:55:06,320 --> 00:55:08,719
the people that experiment on them, or were they another

1237
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,440
type of alien or something. I would love to hear

1238
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,119
the conversations back in the eighties.

1239
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 5: I saw a quote from an interview with Ridley Scott

1240
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:21,079
where he actually talks about why the engineers were going

1241
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:25,440
to destroy humanity. And it's interesting when you look at

1242
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,840
in the context of the film, because you have many

1243
00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,679
different cultures after humanity was created where they're pointing to

1244
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,079
the same star system and there's a giant being. So

1245
00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:36,599
you know, okay, the engineers clearly visited humanity multiple times.

1246
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:38,880
It wasn't just hey, we created you and now we're

1247
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,400
going to go destroy you. So the engineers have visited

1248
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:46,000
Earth many times connected with humanity. And now what Ridley

1249
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,800
Scott was implying was that he was he didn't say

1250
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:50,679
the name, but he was infroning that Jesus Christ was

1251
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:54,079
an engineer that humans. It's Roman times two thousand years ago.

1252
00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:59,119
You've seen that. Yeah, so what happened? I'd be curious,

1253
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:02,039
but yeah, I don't really need it. But they crucified him.

1254
00:56:02,039 --> 00:56:04,480
So they sent an engineer down to go deal with humanity,

1255
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,880
and humans crucified him. And so that's why.

1256
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 1: These big giant yeah.

1257
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,559
Speaker 5: Have like ten thousand humans grabbing them.

1258
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,519
Speaker 1: And do this engineer and have the long Jesus hairsault too.

1259
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 5: He's turning water into wine. He's given them his crowd.

1260
00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:21,599
He's having a big table, big teaste.

1261
00:56:23,159 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: What do we do?

1262
00:56:25,079 --> 00:56:27,599
Speaker 5: His bosses did not give him the proper like run

1263
00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:29,480
down on like, hey, go down to Earth and just

1264
00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:32,280
you know, talk to them, and they just.

1265
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 2: They just watching this whole thing. They're like, yeah, we're

1266
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,079
taking them out. We're totally taking these people.

1267
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:38,639
Speaker 1: But yeah, like Ridley's telling, how does the engineer look like? Like,

1268
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,599
if he's trying to compare it to our Jesus, how

1269
00:56:40,639 --> 00:56:42,800
would the engineer end up looking like the photos that

1270
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,440
we know of Jesus supposedly big beer, long brown hair,

1271
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:52,679
the robes, Like, no engineer that extoltz unless they just

1272
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,480
lied about it. But yeah, like i'd love from now

1273
00:56:55,559 --> 00:56:58,320
one of Jesus always was like ten feet taller than

1274
00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:00,639
everybody in these photos. You know. That's I think that's

1275
00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:03,880
why I'm glad he took it out, because that's too all. Like,

1276
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:06,280
I think it's better to talk about our stuff on

1277
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,400
a psychological level than like a potential literal level. Of

1278
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:12,679
people have an idea of what Jesus could be, which

1279
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,880
again it's some some of it could just be all stories.

1280
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,239
But I think that's tougher for me to grasp, like, well,

1281
00:57:17,239 --> 00:57:20,440
you know, these engineers, one of them was Jesus.

1282
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: That's an interesting thought though, Taylor, that they would have

1283
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:27,079
come to Earth multiple times, because it's like man, one

1284
00:57:27,079 --> 00:57:30,360
of the odds that they land on Earth the same

1285
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,559
time that the predators there are doing some training.

1286
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,559
Speaker 5: And well, that's why they had to eliminate the humans, right,

1287
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:38,039
because the predators took over and or worshiped as gods.

1288
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:41,599
They're like, no, we're the gods, right, So I.

1289
00:57:41,239 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: Don't recall that and go around. I would love to

1290
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,239
see an engineer versus a predator though, because they're they're

1291
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:47,039
tall guy.

1292
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 3: Like alien versus predator versus engineer box office.

1293
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like engineers are probably taller than predators,

1294
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,320
right they are, Yeah, so.

1295
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 2: Like ten feet tall.

1296
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see that on their skeleton. Is probably not

1297
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:03,800
as exciting because it's pretty just.

1298
00:58:03,719 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 3: Like the skeleton probably looks about the same. It's just yeah,

1299
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:09,280
really bubbly muscles that they have.

1300
00:58:09,679 --> 00:58:13,079
Speaker 5: I don't know how uh, I don't know how accurate

1301
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:17,880
this is, but this is a random thing. The predators

1302
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,519
and engineers were very combative against each other, and so

1303
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:24,119
the engineers put safeguards in place so preaders couldn't use

1304
00:58:24,119 --> 00:58:27,599
their technology, Like the flutes that initialize their systems were

1305
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:33,119
designed specifically so predators. Predators couldn't use it. Predators invented technology.

1306
00:58:33,159 --> 00:58:35,159
He'll mimic the sounds of their life forms for that

1307
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,559
very reason as a workaround. I don't know, this guy

1308
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:39,239
sounds like he's just speaking out of his butt.

1309
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:45,119
Speaker 1: Well, I wonder I would let Rickson signed Wayland Bishop

1310
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,760
the second, But like at the same time, because I

1311
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,679
don't know if there is there is comic books with

1312
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,519
the engineers, so that could be some more from that.

1313
00:58:54,679 --> 00:58:57,320
And that's where even if it wasn't even Earth, I

1314
00:58:57,599 --> 00:59:00,280
still I guess that's why I like the orgin of

1315
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:03,159
the actual aliens. I can buy, like, think of the

1316
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:05,760
things we do right now, everyone's like, hey, don't do AI.

1317
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,880
Don't do those videos where you make the robots and

1318
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,199
you're like punching them because eventually you're just gonna turned there.

1319
00:59:10,559 --> 00:59:13,320
I can buy that, whether it's predator, the human race,

1320
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,679
whatever it may be, that the engineer engineers feel that

1321
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:19,920
they need almost like a weapon of mass destruction in

1322
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:22,039
a sense, right, And this is and that's where for

1323
00:59:22,159 --> 00:59:24,400
me it also works too, especially you know, for your

1324
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,400
guys maybe like the Alien versus Predator, it almost makes

1325
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:31,079
sense that the aliens are type like they're their original

1326
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:33,239
design was to be a weapon, you know, like the

1327
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:35,760
idea of what they become is more you know, David

1328
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,920
mess around, but the idea of we even see that

1329
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,760
where I'm like, they are used there. The engineers are

1330
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:44,760
using this planet to create weapons. And that's what I do.

1331
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:46,800
I look at the alien be like, okay, I could

1332
00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:48,960
buy that as this is a weapon. And if this

1333
00:59:49,159 --> 00:59:51,079
is whether you like they or not, because I get

1334
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:52,960
people that just striped don't like the engineers, and then

1335
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,800
it's a tough movie to like. But for me, if

1336
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,239
it's like they're this race and even then, okay, they

1337
00:59:57,239 --> 00:59:59,880
hear these predators are out there, they're worry about these clans.

1338
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:02,199
Like imagine too they go to one up planet where they

1339
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,440
drop Royce there, they just drop like all these fucking

1340
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,320
things on that. There goes the predators, like there goes

1341
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,599
a bunch of clans, you know that they so and

1342
01:00:09,679 --> 01:00:12,079
I think it's like a good I don't think they

1343
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:15,239
dive deep into but it's like an allegory for nuclear

1344
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,320
warfare in our life, right, And I don't think that's

1345
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,320
like a big plot point here, but it's enough where

1346
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:22,519
as humans we did it. We created bombs that could

1347
01:00:22,519 --> 01:00:25,199
take our entire countries or millions of people, right, So

1348
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,800
it's like it's not at the realm possibility. These things

1349
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,920
that created life would also want to create some reassurances

1350
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,360
for their people and everything. And I like that explanation

1351
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,920
of yeah, they killed this planet because I ourself talks

1352
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:40,079
about that like that's smart. Why would they want to

1353
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:43,800
create all these weapons and potential life ending threats where

1354
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,119
somewhere they live. They went somewhere completely out, So all

1355
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:48,119
that stuff works for me.

1356
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:52,559
Speaker 3: For the engineers, I'm curious to We've mentioned a couple

1357
01:00:52,599 --> 01:00:54,199
of these things, but what are your as other kind

1358
01:00:54,199 --> 01:00:58,000
of big issues with the third act? Specifically? What are

1359
01:00:58,039 --> 01:00:59,199
some of those things.

1360
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 2: I mentioned my issues with, Like Charlie's ire what was

1361
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,960
her name? Vickers? I just I felt like it was

1362
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,079
wasted potential with the character. It might be a little hyperbolic,

1363
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:13,559
but I don't know, that's kind of how I feel like.

1364
01:01:13,719 --> 01:01:15,400
It just seemed like we could have gone such a

1365
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,480
better We already laid out, like the potential of her

1366
01:01:17,679 --> 01:01:21,119
struggling with like, am I an ex I makna type?

1367
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:24,840
Feel like, yeah, that one I laid out too, how

1368
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,679
I felt a little I wanted maybe more answers with

1369
01:01:28,719 --> 01:01:31,559
the engineers. And it's funny because like on the other card,

1370
01:01:31,639 --> 01:01:34,239
maybe if I get those answers, they're terrible and it's like, man,

1371
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,760
I wish they kept a secret. So it's like, I

1372
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,320
don't know, I like, I'm just choosing to not like

1373
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:44,159
that that reason. Exactly. What else?

1374
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 3: There's one I think we haven't mentioned.

1375
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there was one we mentioned that we went

1376
01:01:48,119 --> 01:01:49,880
on a tangent and I'm going, I'm trying to think

1377
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,159
of it.

1378
01:01:51,199 --> 01:01:55,719
Speaker 3: Is it potentially because I felt like, man, the captain

1379
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:57,320
really put a lot of trust in what she was

1380
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,519
saying to just sacrifice and kill himself along with the

1381
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:01,400
p I don't know if I don't think I really

1382
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:02,800
have an issue with that, but it did seem like

1383
01:02:02,840 --> 01:02:05,400
a little a little quick for him to just believe

1384
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:09,119
her on that and sacrifice himself. I love that shot

1385
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:13,000
of the ship just disintegrating against the engineer ship, like

1386
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:16,320
just clearly the difference in tech level there of like

1387
01:02:16,400 --> 01:02:18,400
the armor of that thing. I thought that was cool.

1388
01:02:18,639 --> 01:02:19,039
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

1389
01:02:20,559 --> 01:02:24,039
Speaker 2: His uh his little first mates there where those are

1390
01:02:24,039 --> 01:02:26,719
like Rider Die homies, Oka like they feel like no

1391
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:29,199
thought like yeah, we're doing this, let's let's let's pop

1392
01:02:29,239 --> 01:02:29,800
off right here.

1393
01:02:30,039 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 3: They accepted when they landed on this planet that this

1394
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:34,800
is the last planet they were going to step foot on.

1395
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,239
Speaker 1: And I think for me, it's a general. There's one

1396
01:02:37,239 --> 01:02:38,960
other thing I hopefully they'll come back to because of my

1397
01:02:39,039 --> 01:02:41,360
notes I just got trivia. I think it's a general

1398
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,079
that there's a big ramp up with her being pregnant.

1399
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:46,440
They do the whole surgery, which brutal scene greatly. I

1400
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,800
think they build it up very well, but I think

1401
01:02:48,840 --> 01:02:52,719
it's like an instant they halt the movie because Whylan

1402
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,440
comes back, and then they have the conversation with Sew

1403
01:02:55,519 --> 01:02:58,280
and it feels like it it slows down and then

1404
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,360
it ramps right back up again, and not like a

1405
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:03,360
kind of pace that way with your jog, and it

1406
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,199
just feels like they just stop and it feels like

1407
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:08,119
all the threats are just kind of gone. She's sued

1408
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,159
up and she talks about herself about like the differences,

1409
01:03:11,239 --> 01:03:13,559
so they have the there's stuff in there. I like,

1410
01:03:13,639 --> 01:03:16,440
but I think it's the pacing of you know, the

1411
01:03:16,639 --> 01:03:18,679
whatever what is it called to the THI but or

1412
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:22,960
the theobite or whatever trill bite like. I like that.

1413
01:03:23,639 --> 01:03:25,639
I like the sequence, but I'm not sure if I

1414
01:03:25,679 --> 01:03:27,719
would reorganize it. And I don't know if you can

1415
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,719
because you have to make it grow. So could get

1416
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,039
the engineer, which I like that scene too when it's there,

1417
01:03:32,039 --> 01:03:34,920
And again Tara talk about first episode, lots of sexual

1418
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:39,320
imagery with this thing, you know, so I enjoy portions

1419
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,719
of it. I think it's just how it kind of

1420
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,400
is spaced apart. It just feels like act one, Act

1421
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:49,559
two flow the complete entire time. I think, very well,

1422
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:51,920
where that oh, and here's the other part. That's what

1423
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:54,920
I remember. Okay, when we're talking about Halloway, for me,

1424
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,440
I find it very odd that David for the whole

1425
01:03:58,519 --> 01:04:01,960
movie is very secret, and then the entire third act

1426
01:04:02,039 --> 01:04:04,880
he's just letting Sew know that he's fucking everything up,

1427
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:08,400
and it doesn't track for me of what we had

1428
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,800
gone with David before. He's making mistakes that are kind

1429
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:16,800
of on purpose, and Shaw jumps from is this robot

1430
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,880
questionable to He's a part of everything because he says

1431
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:23,199
something about I'm watching your dreams and like that could

1432
01:04:23,199 --> 01:04:26,800
be odd, but I don't know why. Seaw they make her,

1433
01:04:27,519 --> 01:04:30,119
they make her know what we know, but she's not

1434
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:32,239
been told any of that. We as a viewers know

1435
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,159
Dave's been doing X, Y and Z, and I think

1436
01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:35,960
he makes some sort of day at Hallway too. But

1437
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,320
it's also just like, why would David want to be

1438
01:04:39,079 --> 01:04:41,480
poking despair right now, like trying to tempt her to

1439
01:04:41,519 --> 01:04:44,039
be like, hey, like, you know, I might have done

1440
01:04:44,039 --> 01:04:46,280
some stuff. I can't remember the exact line, but he

1441
01:04:46,679 --> 01:04:49,559
just kind of shows his cards. And I never understand

1442
01:04:49,639 --> 01:04:51,920
that from the character's point of view, because they end

1443
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:53,480
up back together at the end, right, they end up

1444
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:54,960
like we're gonna go on a venture, and you know,

1445
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:57,440
we're the only people we got. So it's I don't know,

1446
01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,360
it's odd almost to think that stuff, you'd say for

1447
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:02,920
a sequel. She's with him and then she suspected man

1448
01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,039
this whole time he's been messing with me. It just

1449
01:05:05,239 --> 01:05:07,800
he doesn't have a It doesn't get addressed directly because

1450
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,000
he gets his head taken off.

1451
01:05:09,159 --> 01:05:12,159
Speaker 2: So that was it one, And like even before all

1452
01:05:12,239 --> 01:05:18,599
that happens, like she knows that David wanted to have

1453
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,159
her pregnant, and she like he was preventing her from

1454
01:05:22,199 --> 01:05:24,719
like trying to get this fetus out, and he's like, no,

1455
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:26,239
you're just gonna go to sleep, like you're just gonna

1456
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:29,280
hyper sleep, which is fucked up. And like, I feel

1457
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:31,480
like if I get out of that situation, which she does,

1458
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:34,960
she performs her own Cesarean section, which is just fucking crazy.

1459
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,320
That's a whole wild scene in and of itself. But

1460
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,079
then like like I get it Waylen's back, but like

1461
01:05:40,199 --> 01:05:43,320
next time, like it just doesn't seem like she's that

1462
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:45,960
mad at David overall of that, and I feel like

1463
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:50,039
that is pretty clear that like he even if you

1464
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:54,760
don't know everything that he's done, like it is kind

1465
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:57,280
of as you mentioned Trevs, like like he lays out

1466
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,320
his cards right in front of her. Later on, it

1467
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:01,880
just seems like it doesn't really the.

1468
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: Line that's the line that's he just throws out there,

1469
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,480
which I never understood because they take off their helmets

1470
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,639
when they're with Whalen and she goes, well, I don't

1471
01:06:09,639 --> 01:06:11,119
know if we want to do that because Hallway got

1472
01:06:11,159 --> 01:06:13,119
sick and he looks or he says, that's not what

1473
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,039
got him sick, but then he goes back on to

1474
01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:18,320
his like he doesn't continue, like, then just do the

1475
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,400
full reveal of I expect, like I know there's time

1476
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,480
and place, but it just feels weird for him, like

1477
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:26,280
that's not how it happened. And then he goes right

1478
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:28,039
back and it's like, why would even say that? Why

1479
01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:31,960
would he even just insinuate that he killed your husband? Right,

1480
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,159
So it's it's odd in that moment where I feel

1481
01:06:34,159 --> 01:06:36,400
like David, even as the creator guy, would be way

1482
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,199
more just focused on the engineer and focus is going

1483
01:06:39,239 --> 01:06:41,239
on now, but he still has this like weird back

1484
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,159
and forth with Sean. That's where I think it's just

1485
01:06:43,199 --> 01:06:45,800
the third act where maybe there is a time and

1486
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,800
place for that, but it was the pacing of when

1487
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:51,719
they drop those reveals. It didn't make sense of the halt,

1488
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:54,239
and then we have Walan back and I don't know,

1489
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,679
maybe there's a version of us better without Whalin's too,

1490
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,519
Like there might be a like there might be something

1491
01:06:59,559 --> 01:07:02,400
of Shaw just wants to find out, and David could

1492
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,840
give that speech about Hallway still want to find out

1493
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,519
and that way it works better if it's just her

1494
01:07:07,559 --> 01:07:09,920
and David there. So there could be. It would make

1495
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,079
sense why there's more conversation where waveling, like he's there

1496
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:15,239
and he gets like you said, he has punched, he dies.

1497
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,639
It's like it's kind of like a like a fart,

1498
01:07:17,679 --> 01:07:19,960
which it's like a cloud far. But at the same time,

1499
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,280
I think they're trying to show some sort of he's

1500
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,800
an arrogant guy that just thinks he can get away

1501
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,599
at this and this guy's gonna give him life, and

1502
01:07:26,639 --> 01:07:29,599
that could be another reason why these engineers are disappointing them, right, Like,

1503
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,960
you can't even accept that you're gonna die. You're doing

1504
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:35,480
this whole expedition just to not for the betterment of mankind,

1505
01:07:35,519 --> 01:07:37,519
just a betterment of so whalan can live longer?

1506
01:07:37,639 --> 01:07:41,039
Speaker 2: Right, so you could live with your own failure. Where

1507
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:42,639
did that bring you back to me? And then he

1508
01:07:42,719 --> 01:07:43,639
just fucking decks him?

1509
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, tear any notes on the engineers how they feel

1510
01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,760
it thanos because he owns them. Is there any any

1511
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,679
notes there yet? Ah?

1512
01:07:51,719 --> 01:07:52,360
Speaker 2: You should.

1513
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: That's a question for maybe alien versus avengers. Well maybe

1514
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,320
in the comic books, you know, you know.

1515
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I I like all your thoughts there. I

1516
01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:05,480
feel like I would need I don't I like need

1517
01:08:05,519 --> 01:08:07,360
to watch it again from that perspective, because I feel

1518
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:10,000
they didn't have issues with those scenes. But what you're

1519
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,679
saying there makes a lot of sense. I I like

1520
01:08:12,719 --> 01:08:15,280
what you were saying too, but like the pacing shift

1521
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:19,680
there from the surgery section just into like the end

1522
01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:21,560
and stuff and then kind of just splitting it up

1523
01:08:21,560 --> 01:08:24,239
with the Whalen stuff. I wonder if they felt when

1524
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:27,279
they were making this that that reveal would be like

1525
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:31,159
as big of reveal as like the alien at the end,

1526
01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:33,640
Like people are so nostalgic and know so much about

1527
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:36,880
this that they're like, Whalen's alive, Like he's set up

1528
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,479
at the start of the movie, like with the hologram,

1529
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,840
so it's like he's he's there, put in front of you.

1530
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,119
But I like, I don't think it it comes across

1531
01:08:43,119 --> 01:08:45,800
as strongly as they wanted it to in that regard.

1532
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:48,680
But maybe it's also just a pacing thing of yeah,

1533
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,560
we're gonna have like a ton of intensity for like

1534
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,600
twenty minute, like we need something in the middle that

1535
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,239
kind of slows the movie down a little bit, perhaps

1536
01:08:55,399 --> 01:08:58,960
especially because that that surgery scene is so freaking intense.

1537
01:08:59,079 --> 01:09:02,600
So yeah, that's that's a good point for sure, because

1538
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,319
I don't think Whalen has like a huge impact. Like

1539
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,479
if I'm ranking my favorite characters in this movie, he

1540
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,359
doesn't really track in the in the top there. I mean,

1541
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:11,880
he's not in it a whole lot. It's must be

1542
01:09:12,039 --> 01:09:14,319
like a last minute reveal kind of thing. I mean,

1543
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:16,960
I like the the idea of course that he's going

1544
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:21,520
through like whatever means necessary. Similar to how Charlie's like,

1545
01:09:21,640 --> 01:09:24,640
I'll do anything to get this information, he feels very

1546
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,039
much the same way. Whaland is where he'll put all

1547
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:29,359
of his resources. He doesn't care who dies in the process.

1548
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:31,960
He just wants to meet the people that made him

1549
01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:33,600
and he'll do anything to get there, which is great.

1550
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:37,279
But as you guys talked about there, but the I

1551
01:09:37,279 --> 01:09:41,119
think maybe my favorite section in this is the surgery sequence.

1552
01:09:41,119 --> 01:09:44,680
I just think it is so freaking well done. It

1553
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:48,439
is so intense, it is disgusting, it is terrifying, It

1554
01:09:48,520 --> 01:09:51,600
is pays super well the sound effects. I think her

1555
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:54,399
acting in that like she just sells it so hard.

1556
01:09:54,520 --> 01:10:00,479
So yeah, that sequence is just fantastic and gross.

1557
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,000
Speaker 1: So it's very gross. Yeah, and I think it's like

1558
01:10:03,039 --> 01:10:05,920
a good makes clearly the things cgi I think they

1559
01:10:06,039 --> 01:10:08,359
do their best to make it look good. There's some

1560
01:10:08,399 --> 01:10:10,880
practical stuff there where on the actual set. They like

1561
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:12,800
filled up a condom so that when they cut it

1562
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:15,399
would have like that same kind of bursting effect and everything.

1563
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 2: So it is with these alien movies. Eh, what always

1564
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:20,880
a condom? With these alien movies.

1565
01:10:21,159 --> 01:10:23,039
Speaker 1: I think it makes sense the way they make them. Yeah,

1566
01:10:23,039 --> 01:10:24,479
I guess. I think it's the way that makes sense

1567
01:10:24,520 --> 01:10:26,520
or because they're like in this Yeah, and plus like

1568
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:28,279
when you tie it and like a condom that is

1569
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:31,199
filled up, it's like a like a ballue, like one

1570
01:10:31,199 --> 01:10:33,000
of those like water balloons in the sense by the

1571
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:34,520
fact they don't want to use water balloons because it

1572
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:37,319
would just pop easy, right, So with a condom, they're

1573
01:10:37,359 --> 01:10:40,439
supposed to be protection. But that's what I was gonna say.

1574
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:42,479
Don I think your hunters right on the Whalen thing.

1575
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,399
I think they thought that was gonna be big, which

1576
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,640
is odd because I remember you watched in the first time.

1577
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 3: Nothing like it.

1578
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:48,680
Speaker 2: It's no, but it's not.

1579
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 3: It's not like a huge monolithic secrets.

1580
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:53,239
Speaker 1: But I feel like they kind of showed their hand

1581
01:10:53,359 --> 01:10:56,600
because they multiple times have Fastbender and Charlie's be like

1582
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,159
what did he say? I remember even the first watch like, oh,

1583
01:10:59,159 --> 01:11:02,760
so Whalen's not this guy's not dead, he's he's there,

1584
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,680
So it was it was an odd choice. I thought

1585
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,159
to even have scenes where him and Charlie's are talking

1586
01:11:08,159 --> 01:11:10,800
about what he would want, and David's going back in

1587
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,520
the cancuns to go look at like, oh, look at

1588
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:15,960
the look at the like he has a camera on everything.

1589
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,760
It's like, why is he doing this? Because he's doing

1590
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:20,920
this alone and Charlie says, hey, patch me in, So

1591
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:24,039
he already was going there by himself. Charlie didn't send

1592
01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:26,960
him out there right away. So yeah, it's not nothing.

1593
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:29,600
I think there's just like ways they could have handled

1594
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,840
a little bit better. But you know, rip mm hmmm

1595
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:38,439
rip RP to Whaland. Yeah, hopefully Bishop is a their

1596
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:43,399
job Bishop the third or whatnot? So anything else specifically

1597
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,039
we haven't talked about, did.

1598
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,920
Speaker 5: You guys see the I guess this might have been

1599
01:11:47,960 --> 01:11:50,119
like an alternate start with Whaland where he's kind of

1600
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:51,039
doing like a seminar.

1601
01:11:53,239 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 3: It's like a deleted scene, is what you're saying.

1602
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:56,840
Speaker 5: Might be a deleted scene. Yeah, he's it's like young

1603
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:59,000
Whalen and he's talking about technology. I think he's going

1604
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:01,520
over the whole like Promethe kind of origins, right.

1605
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:04,359
Speaker 1: I think he's deleted or they actually used Guy Pierce

1606
01:12:04,359 --> 01:12:06,800
for a lot of like viral marketing stuff when he

1607
01:12:07,079 --> 01:12:09,399
as young Guy Pierce and everything, which that was a

1608
01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:10,960
and maybe that was another reason why I didn't think

1609
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:12,680
Whale was dead, because like, well it skuy Piers. He

1610
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,560
has to come back, right, like he's a bigger act.

1611
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:17,960
Like that's the thing where they kind of show their

1612
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:22,840
hand to him pretty well that take up. Yeah, so

1613
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:23,399
I like that.

1614
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 2: Old meat that's been left out too.

1615
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:35,119
Speaker 1: Old war anything else? Oh my goodness. Okay, so I

1616
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:38,840
talked about Yeah, used Orchestra play for his compositions backwards

1617
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,479
and digitally reversed them for the final film, So very

1618
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:46,279
very cool. For the Alien Planet Creatures technology, Ridley Scott

1619
01:12:46,319 --> 01:12:49,199
instructed design teamed Aim for a look that logically could

1620
01:12:49,239 --> 01:12:53,000
come before Alien but not rely too heavily on hr

1621
01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:57,399
Jiger's original famous art. But the exact opposite happened because

1622
01:12:57,399 --> 01:12:59,319
they started to look at his unused art for the

1623
01:12:59,359 --> 01:13:02,239
original Alien in and then eventually they just brought that

1624
01:13:02,279 --> 01:13:05,199
set design the production designer back. So the new team

1625
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:07,239
worked with the guy did the old one, and then

1626
01:13:07,359 --> 01:13:10,279
sadly enough he had a fatal injury I guess in

1627
01:13:10,319 --> 01:13:13,119
twenty fourteen since last movie worked on. But kind of

1628
01:13:13,159 --> 01:13:14,760
a fitting way that you know, he got to come

1629
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,800
back and help with that, so kind of funny. Really

1630
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:18,800
he's like, don't look at his stuff, and then they

1631
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,439
looked at it, and he's like, well, okay, just come

1632
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,279
just go get them back just right, because like if

1633
01:13:22,279 --> 01:13:23,920
you're just gonna look at it, let's just get the

1634
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,359
guy that created all this stuff. So but a lot

1635
01:13:26,399 --> 01:13:29,840
of these designs were like some of I imagine like

1636
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,239
the Needo more for like the you know, the I

1637
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:34,279
don't know, I doubt the engineers, but a lot of

1638
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:36,640
the alien designs I imagine, like the snake, were things

1639
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,479
that were original concept and ideas for the Xenomore back

1640
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:43,359
in the day, but they didn't use them. So talked

1641
01:13:43,359 --> 01:13:45,880
about Charlie Saron. Yeah, she was originally cast a Shaw,

1642
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,920
which I like Natooria paced a lot so and I

1643
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:50,000
think again I was this point of how Vickers went.

1644
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,000
But I think Charlie did a very good job as Vickers,

1645
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,960
and I was very I like the character.

1646
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,079
Speaker 3: A lotelebates that role that could otherwise be pretty one note.

1647
01:13:57,199 --> 01:14:01,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I was gonna say it too. Throughout the film,

1648
01:14:01,239 --> 01:14:04,960
like she's just portrays this cold hearted, like asshole, like

1649
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,800
she's just doesn't care, like you know, she's willing to

1650
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:10,479
close the door on this crew like it's just crew

1651
01:14:10,600 --> 01:14:14,439
expendable type of attitude. And Tell Holloway is just like

1652
01:14:15,079 --> 01:14:16,479
just do it. You know, he's doing the man of

1653
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:19,000
Steel thing like don't like like just just let me

1654
01:14:19,079 --> 01:14:22,079
have it, and like you actually see like her humanity

1655
01:14:22,119 --> 01:14:24,000
in that moment of like I just fucking chart this

1656
01:14:24,079 --> 01:14:27,079
man and he's just like screaming in down in front

1657
01:14:27,119 --> 01:14:27,439
of her.

1658
01:14:28,199 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: Funny enough you should bring up because I got trivia

1659
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,840
know it about one. I was gonna say forgout to

1660
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:34,560
shout out that scene where he's looking in his eye

1661
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:35,680
an they're like.

1662
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:39,399
Speaker 2: Oh man, very prey. Like there's some some some prey

1663
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:41,680
uh similarities in this film for sure.

1664
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm just singing about the you've seen that thing. And

1665
01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:47,399
I love the descent too, where he's in the like

1666
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,520
they're all together in the tram getting ready to go,

1667
01:14:50,119 --> 01:14:52,439
and David looks and just says some line just like

1668
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,640
you know, like good luck out there and always just

1669
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,399
like I think this fucking robot did something like like

1670
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:00,600
he just he doesn't know no, oh but he just

1671
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:04,520
like I love Logan. Marshall Green is a very underrated actor.

1672
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:07,720
I talked about the show Traveler many times, the Geek. First,

1673
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:10,680
he was in that show that was canceled after one season.

1674
01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:15,239
But everyone go watch Upgrade. He's and oh watch the

1675
01:15:15,239 --> 01:15:19,000
The Invitation. That is a fucking great horror movie. He's

1676
01:15:19,039 --> 01:15:19,600
the lead of it.

1677
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,199
Speaker 2: And it's good.

1678
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:27,319
Speaker 1: No, not at all, Okay, All is his his ex

1679
01:15:27,399 --> 01:15:30,039
wife and and her new husband invite him to a

1680
01:15:30,079 --> 01:15:33,840
dinner and it is a while it is. Watch it.

1681
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:36,800
It's a disturbing movie, lots it like. It is worth

1682
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,560
a watch. It's really good. So I'm a fan of him. Plus,

1683
01:15:39,560 --> 01:15:42,640
he was the original Shocker in the MCU. Don't forget Anyways.

1684
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,600
For the scene where Vicker sets infected hallway on fire,

1685
01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,079
Charlie's there on wild It a real flamethrower emitting real fire.

1686
01:15:50,359 --> 01:15:52,640
She was excited to perform the scene when reading the script,

1687
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,479
but began has second thoughts upon realizing she actually setting

1688
01:15:56,479 --> 01:15:59,800
the stuntming on fire. She ultimately agreed to perform the Sun,

1689
01:16:00,039 --> 01:16:02,039
but the shot of her appearing shocked while setting him

1690
01:16:02,039 --> 01:16:04,760
on fire was her natural reaction. The shot was kept

1691
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:06,800
in the film because the filmmakers saw it the breaking

1692
01:16:06,920 --> 01:16:09,479
character was a good reflection of normalcy instead of the

1693
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,840
icy emotionals Vickers. So that wasn't even in the script.

1694
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:14,840
That was just Chart least reacting to this man on

1695
01:16:14,920 --> 01:16:18,159
fire and they're like, let's keep this, So yeah, it was.

1696
01:16:18,359 --> 01:16:22,359
It was a good call there, so fun note there

1697
01:16:22,399 --> 01:16:25,199
other characters who were up for Vickers or actors was

1698
01:16:25,319 --> 01:16:29,039
Michelle Yell and Angelina Jolie. They were discussed about and

1699
01:16:29,079 --> 01:16:31,039
then obviously way before I'm not sure if this was

1700
01:16:31,119 --> 01:16:34,159
before there on or after thereon dropped out for Shaw.

1701
01:16:34,239 --> 01:16:36,720
But some of the other people talked about was Jim Arton,

1702
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:40,880
Caraen Mulligan, Olivia Wilde and halfway Abby Cornish and Natlie

1703
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,439
Portman were all Conserva role Shaw. So you got got

1704
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,439
going on there. I talked about Ridley his number one

1705
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,920
choice for he didn't want anyone but fast Spender, so

1706
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:52,680
they spent a little more on him. Uh. He won

1707
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,000
the screenplay dress for the original Alien. There was a

1708
01:16:55,039 --> 01:16:57,399
sex swen between Ripley and Dallas to show how crew

1709
01:16:57,399 --> 01:17:00,960
members would engage in casual sex during space travels. They

1710
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,119
never filled the scene, but Ridley had the idea to

1711
01:17:03,119 --> 01:17:05,720
bring it back for Vickers and Janic, So I guess

1712
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,119
there's pretty probably there's a scene of Ripley and dads,

1713
01:17:08,119 --> 01:17:10,560
like probably just beat for the exact same scene, So

1714
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,000
they brought it back. So it's kind of cool using

1715
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,399
someone from a script like almost forty years later. So

1716
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:19,960
Ridley Scott, this is my last point, fought bitterly with

1717
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,000
twenty Fox Century executives over including the space jockey in

1718
01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:26,640
the original Alien. Ironically, this very character forms the nucleus

1719
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,039
of the plot for Mametheus and its sequel. I did

1720
01:17:29,039 --> 01:17:32,039
not find I need to do a deeper dive, but

1721
01:17:32,119 --> 01:17:35,359
I could not find interviews or reasons why he did

1722
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:37,479
not want to include space shockey. I would just thought

1723
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,439
they built the set and he would have been like,

1724
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,159
that looks cool. But maybe he just thought it implied

1725
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:44,159
like a greater world or a greater thing. He didn't

1726
01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:46,319
want that. But yeah, I guess, And I don't know

1727
01:17:46,319 --> 01:17:48,479
why Fox fought for it either, Like it's a weird

1728
01:17:48,520 --> 01:17:51,079
issue where they build this thing and he goes I

1729
01:17:51,079 --> 01:17:52,720
don't want this in the movie, and Fox says you've

1730
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,720
got to have in the movie, and obviously it spawns

1731
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,640
this movie, but I I want to look at more

1732
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,479
of why he didn't want it and why the Fox

1733
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,279
was probably thinking sequels. But yeah, so kind of funny

1734
01:18:03,399 --> 01:18:06,960
note that it became this big deal from later on. So, uh,

1735
01:18:07,239 --> 01:18:10,159
tayar Field, what are you gonna give this movie? What's

1736
01:18:10,199 --> 01:18:11,760
your final thoughts in a rating? Here?

1737
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 5: Ah? Like I said before, I like how beautiful this

1738
01:18:16,039 --> 01:18:19,119
film is. I like how it starts about some of

1739
01:18:19,159 --> 01:18:21,560
the things that kind of unfold near the end, including

1740
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:24,319
like just some of the character things. I feel, well,

1741
01:18:24,359 --> 01:18:26,640
I can believe that the chaos kind of happens really

1742
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:30,000
really quickly. And I say that because you have what's

1743
01:18:30,039 --> 01:18:32,279
going on inside the ship, you have what's going on

1744
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:35,560
with the C section, Like, there's a lot going on

1745
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,119
that as captain of the ship, you think, I just

1746
01:18:37,159 --> 01:18:38,840
saw it could kind of keep tabs. But she doesn't.

1747
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:41,439
He doesn't know that there's an alien birth out of

1748
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,960
a shaw. He doesn't know exactly well, he does know

1749
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,479
that they're going to go meet one of these things.

1750
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:50,640
There's just so much going on, and David's got his

1751
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:54,479
ulterier motives. So it's just a bit chaotic having all

1752
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:58,640
of these converging plots overlapping each other and kind of unfolding,

1753
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:00,479
and then you get just a lot of things that

1754
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:04,159
have unfolded in the end. So that being said, I

1755
01:19:04,159 --> 01:19:07,680
feel like I could probably go comfortably like a like

1756
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:10,039
a seven point five. Again, that's me being generous because

1757
01:19:10,039 --> 01:19:12,560
I'm not rushing to rewatch this one anytime soon, but

1758
01:19:13,159 --> 01:19:15,439
every once in a blue moon you can put it

1759
01:19:15,479 --> 01:19:19,359
on and it's just it's a really, really, really interesting

1760
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:23,000
and engaging movie to watch. And I enjoyed it when

1761
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,800
I put it on the other day just because it's

1762
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:27,520
been a while and just getting sucked back into this

1763
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:32,000
world and it's it's bold, and I you know, kudos

1764
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:34,560
to to really Scott for doing something that was not

1765
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,960
the classic Zeno more oriented, and something that was focused

1766
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:42,159
on a story that he clearly really wanted to tell

1767
01:19:42,239 --> 01:19:46,159
for a long time, considering this debacle with the other

1768
01:19:46,199 --> 01:19:49,359
Alien films and him being shafted with a VP and

1769
01:19:49,399 --> 01:19:52,680
all that stuff. So yeah, I think I think that

1770
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:56,319
it's it's a it's got its place amongst the Zeno films,

1771
01:19:56,319 --> 01:19:58,560
but I definitely know where I would put it amongst

1772
01:19:58,720 --> 01:19:59,159
those you.

1773
01:19:59,119 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: Know films onto that for after omeless.

1774
01:20:02,279 --> 01:20:06,840
Speaker 2: So tell me right now, you tell us now, I

1775
01:20:06,840 --> 01:20:09,720
will tell you right now. This movie eight point five

1776
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:13,079
out of ten for me. I think it's just ten

1777
01:20:13,239 --> 01:20:17,439
out of ten opening to this film first act, fantastic

1778
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:22,640
performances to be expected with this many big names and faces.

1779
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:27,119
I remain to this day a little bit underwhelmed with

1780
01:20:27,159 --> 01:20:30,239
Guy Pierce. I don't think I am a big guy Piers.

1781
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:32,680
Speaker 1: Fan, oh like just as the actor.

1782
01:20:33,119 --> 01:20:34,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I don't.

1783
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:35,640
Speaker 1: And you've seen Memento.

1784
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:37,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was very.

1785
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:41,079
Speaker 2: Let down by that film. I have very high expectations

1786
01:20:41,079 --> 01:20:44,680
going into it. But you know, sure he's a nice guy.

1787
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:46,039
We'll see one day.

1788
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 1: But Time Machine two thousand got bothering you with that characters.

1789
01:20:52,960 --> 01:20:55,560
Let's get bothering you cooking the Turtle show.

1790
01:20:56,199 --> 01:20:59,079
Speaker 2: So yeah, some some issues with the third acts, maybe

1791
01:20:59,119 --> 01:21:03,079
some mispotential is like the big thing there, but world

1792
01:21:03,119 --> 01:21:07,600
building is just fantastic for this film, and uh, Big

1793
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:11,800
Rids it just keeps doing it. So, uh see what.

1794
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:16,560
Speaker 1: Big Rids a lot of here two for you guys, right,

1795
01:21:16,680 --> 01:21:18,640
that's yeah next, So there you go.

1796
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 2: So exactly. Yeah, good flight Star, mister Muss.

1797
01:21:23,119 --> 01:21:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I hit a great time rere you watching this.

1798
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:28,560
I man, I feel like I really need Covenant to

1799
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:32,199
round out answer some questions for me here, But I

1800
01:21:32,199 --> 01:21:33,680
don't know. I I I had a good time with

1801
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:35,399
this though it's still a lot, you know, It's not

1802
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:36,960
an all timer for me, but I think it is

1803
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:40,159
a really fun time. I'm going eight point two five,

1804
01:21:40,920 --> 01:21:46,399
lower than Kirkland, oh, but higher than an eight mathematic

1805
01:21:46,399 --> 01:21:47,119
respect speaking.

1806
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:52,279
Speaker 1: Sorry kirkm threw me off by send me a trader

1807
01:21:52,279 --> 01:21:56,279
for The Invitation The Vampire? Why not that's a good movie.

1808
01:21:56,399 --> 01:21:58,399
Speaker 3: Is there even a lot of movies called the Invitation?

1809
01:21:58,680 --> 01:22:02,119
Speaker 1: Invitation? I gotta confirm now this is Logan Green here.

1810
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:04,840
But anyway, so what I yeah, it is twenty fifteen.

1811
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,079
There you go watch that one. Uh yeah, nine out

1812
01:22:07,079 --> 01:22:08,800
of ten for me on this one. I think if

1813
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,800
the third was a bit stronger, I get get to

1814
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,680
the full point maybe the story basically eight, but I

1815
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,680
think that nine is just for like technical stuff. Again,

1816
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,399
love the way this movie looks, sound feels. I like

1817
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,880
this is where like I hope the TV show could

1818
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:27,000
be like this, not exactly, but if it's like whatever,

1819
01:22:27,039 --> 01:22:29,000
it is because it's Earth, but I hope it has

1820
01:22:29,039 --> 01:22:30,680
a similar thing where Okay, you're not gonna have the

1821
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,039
budget of the show, but maybe just world building, facts,

1822
01:22:34,039 --> 01:22:39,079
interesting characters. That's what I really hope can happen. And uh, yeah, no,

1823
01:22:39,239 --> 01:22:42,239
I'm there's always like a little bit of a disappointment

1824
01:22:42,279 --> 01:22:44,199
with me while I'm excited for us to get to Covenant,

1825
01:22:44,199 --> 01:22:47,119
but like the there's aspects of these two movies that

1826
01:22:47,159 --> 01:22:50,239
are just never gonna go be talked about because the

1827
01:22:50,279 --> 01:22:52,720
box office just wasn't there for Covenant. So but I

1828
01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,720
can still watch this even though this ends in like

1829
01:22:55,039 --> 01:22:57,359
a very cliffhanger way of or need to go find

1830
01:22:57,399 --> 01:22:59,920
the New World and find what's gonna happen. It is,

1831
01:23:00,039 --> 01:23:01,680
So there's that where you can't really just watch it

1832
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,960
by itself. But for the most part, great film. And yeah,

1833
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:06,399
I don't remember the last time I watched it, but

1834
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,960
I think I returned this one every couple years. I

1835
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,760
feel like I don't want to say anything because we

1836
01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:14,640
got a rankings episode, So like these boys said, we'll

1837
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:18,199
wait until Ron this in August. So until next time,

1838
01:23:18,279 --> 01:23:20,640
the next one we'll be talking about is Covenant. The

1839
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:24,720
very golden Geek's Worst film nominee, So it's gonna be

1840
01:23:25,359 --> 01:23:27,680
very interesting to return back to that. Let's see, does

1841
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:30,239
it hold up that way? Have we changed our tune?

1842
01:23:30,520 --> 01:23:32,600
I don't know, find out and won't be boring.

1843
01:23:35,119 --> 01:23:35,520
Speaker 2: Yes,