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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show on Martin with Willashire host,

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and I've got James Fox coming right up. He's a

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friend and always fun to talk to, and we're gonna

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be talking about his new release, A Moment of Contact.

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This came out on the twenty second of this month

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in December, and it's the New Revelations of Alien Counters,

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and we're going to be talking about that because there

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are definitely some new revelations, which does seem to happen

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a lot after a movie comes out, people come forward

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and he's been to I think I sent a text recently.

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I think it was a couple of weeks ago, and

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he says, I'm getting on the plane now to go

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to Brazil. I mean, I don't know how many times

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he's gone. There are going to have to ask him

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about that. This week's blog is a nineteen fifty four

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landed craft and humanoid report from Sunina, Italy. Check that out.

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That's by Charles Lear. Great blogs on our website PODCASTUFO

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dot com. You got to check them out, a lot

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of historical ones over the years. So the t shirts.

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I had a text thing set up and people live

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were texting me trying to get T shirts at all.

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I don't know how that. I am quite a ludite

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when it comes to technology, but somehow it worked before

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the show, and then it stopped working. So I did

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figure that out, and a whole bunch of people emailed

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me instead that tried to text me that night. So

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the T shirts went out to all of you, and

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I'm glad so we have New Year's coming up. Thank

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you all for making twenty twenty six great, twenty twenty

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five great. I'm jumping ahead of myself and we'll see

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what happens in twenty twenty six. You know, there's that

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magic number that people have talked about in the UFO world,

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twenty twenty seven, and I'm still wondering if people talking

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about that. But let's see what happens in twenty twenty six.

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So this is a pre recorded I had to because

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of scheduling, so I had to pre record with James.

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So but I don't edit. As you see, I just

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left that twenty twenty six blooper in there, so I

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keep my bloopers in. But anyway, I have I'm pretty

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excited to have this guest coming up next week. And

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Brady Estevez. She is a she works for the US

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National Science Foundation. She's interested in the UAP topic and

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how it might interweave with the deep space technology. And

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I'm pretty excited to have her on next week. That's

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next Tuesday, and that's when we start the eight pm

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Eastern time, So that will start on January, you know,

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the first week of January eight pm set of nine pm,

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so both Tuesday and Thursday nights will be eight pm.

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And here we go. Bring it in, James, welcome, James.

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Speaker 2: Pleasure to be on, Pleasure to be on the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and last time we were right there in the

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studio that was that was a lot of fun. I

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love your play there. It's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: This is the spot.

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Speaker 1: It's the same exact spot. So I remember, you know,

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walking by your Steven Spielberg letter, that nice letter that

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he wrote you, and it just occurred to me. I mean,

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you must have seen his his teaser for the upcoming

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summer release that he has of called Disclosure Day.

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Speaker 2: I did, I didn't.

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Speaker 1: That isn't that amazing? Isn't that such a thrilling, crazy teaser.

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Speaker 2: I love that fingers crossed?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know. So, by the way, this New

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Year's Day, three pm. There's going to be another show

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released where Jack and I talk about that a little

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bit more. So that's coming out on New Year's Day.

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I'm not having a regular live show. But yeah, how

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many times have you been to Brazil, James? Have you

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ever counted?

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Speaker 2: It's gotta be somewhere around seven or eight. And I'm

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going back again next month for the thirtieth anniversary, So

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a lot of times.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's right. January in nineteen ninety six is when

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: And you know, for so I don't know if we

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should probably go for the person that is unaware. I

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mean a lot of people saw your film, but for

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those of you haven't, I think you should do kind

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of a nutshell case of what happened in nineteen ninety

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six and how the US military all of a sudden

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showed up, all these weird stuff happened and the beings,

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which I think is quite amazing, and I still feel

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very sorry for those poor beings. They just wanted to

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go home.

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the girls just a couple of days ago in Brazil,

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Katya sisters, and then Katya was a friend. She was

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twenty one twenty two, And when they came up on

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this creature, this strange being, leaning sort of up against

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the cinder block wall in a construction site in an

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open field, they thought maybe they were walking up on

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like a statue. They weren't sure like what it was.

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of it, broad daylight, three girls, and one of them

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just yelped like ah, like what you know? What is that?

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the cinder block wall, and it turned its head and

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a Valkyria who was fourteen. Liliani was sixteen. Katya, the friend,

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was twenty one twenty two, and grabs her little sister

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and high tails it out of there, leaving Katya behind.

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that it was. It was feeble, it was weak, it

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was scared, it was vulnerable, It wanted help. And she

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was debating on like what to do, And Liliani and

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her sister Vulkaria got about one hundred feet away and realized,

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her younger sister of Vulgaria ran back to get Katya

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and grabbed her arm and he yanked her out of there.

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what would have happened had she decided to help this creature?

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and brought it in side indoors to help it. It

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could have had a very different outcome, but they high

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telled it out of there. But it was interesting to

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hear her reminisce and think, like, how the outcome could

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have been quite different had she decided to help the

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creature as opposed to run away from it. Nobody felt threatened.

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the unknown factor. Yeah, there we've got on the far left.

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who was sixteen, and then Katya, the one that was

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fixated to the creature, was twenty one or twenty two

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Speaker 1: Now Here is a rendition of what they know. These

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listening to just the audio part of this. But here's

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a rendition of an artist's rendition of what they are

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claiming that being looked like. And you know what's the

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thing about that, James, though, is if that had happened,

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or whatever where he might have got infected and died

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just two weeks later. They couldn't save him. And I

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of the car they were on patrol with the driver

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Eric Lopes. That was just a couple of blocks away

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a couple of hours later from where the girls came

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in contact with this creature and he leapt out of

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the car without a moment's hesitation and grabbed it. And

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in the process of grabbing it, and it didn't put

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up much of a fight. He brought it in the

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back of the car. I think he even put on

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his lap and in the process he got a little

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scratch under his arm from they think from the nail

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of the creature, and that bacteria got into his bloodstream

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and killed him within a couple of weeks. And we

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interviewed the forensic pathologists, the two forensic pathologists, one of

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which doctor Romando, who did the autopsy on the deceased

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military officer, and then the other one, doctor Janini, who

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founded the company IPD and you can look up the

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acronym for that, the company, and he was the one

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that examined the tissue samples and saw a behavior of

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a bacteria that he's never seen before or since on

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planet Earth. So that was a huge revelation. The fact

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that he was willing to come forward and participate on camera.

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himself and talks about rather openly that he never seen

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anything like this bacteria ever before.

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Speaker 1: And it's it's good that it didn't keep spreading because

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for being kind, so you know, luckily it wasn't contagious obviously.

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uh well, I know, we're getting kind of convoluted here

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about all all of this situation. So let's just talk about,

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and it crashed. How far away from the town the

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village was of our genia was that?

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Speaker 2: So this is the first time in this new cut

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of moment of moment of contact, new revelations of alien

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encounters where we actually did Google maps and we put

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new witness to the craft, Fabio Furtado at his farm,

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and proximity to that, to the crash site, proximity to

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that to the two farmers that saw the object in distress.

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had their farm animals not made a huge ruckus, they

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probably wouldn't have even known it was out there because

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it made virtually no sound at all. And it was

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the size of a large school slightly bigger than a

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large school bus, shape of a cylinder like a cigar,

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and it didn't have any control services or wings or

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anything like that. And it, according to the witnesses, it

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had a tear in the back of it, and it

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had a vapor like a blue like a white vapor

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smoke coming to the back. Not the kind of smoke

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they said that you'd see in a fire. It was different,

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and she was expecting it to impact the ground, but

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it managed to stay aloft for evidently a few more

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hours until the other crash witness, Carlos Sosoza, saw it

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impact the ground. And if you look at the Google maps,

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which we actually show for the first time, you see, like, okay,

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the two farmers that saw it roughly two three o'clock

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in the morning, it's here. The town of Virginia is

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just over this side. Then in the middle is the

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crash site where Carlos Sosoza saw it impact the ground

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at Myolini farm. And then you have this new witness,

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Fabio Furtado, who saw it at his farm and clearly

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in distress. And that was so if you look at

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like the Google maps, you know we had sighting here,

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crashed here, another sighting here. It all makes sense. And

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then Virginia was roughly twelve kilometers away, maybe twenty kilometers

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away from the actual impact site as the crow flies.

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Speaker 1: Yep, and where was the first time people, Well, before

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as far as they knew, this debris stayed there for

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Speaker 2: Right, So Carlo Cisosa, who's a geography professor at sal Paolo,

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also an ultra light pilot, and he was headed from

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sal Paolo very early in the morning up up north

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of Virginia. I think it was as a state of

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minister ice in Terreys Carsonis was the area that he

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was he was headed to. He saw an impact the ground.

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He never once thought alien craft UFO. To him, it

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was like must have been some sort of experimental government craft.

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the freeway and drove up this dirt road on a

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farm called the Myolini Farm, and he arrived at the

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impact site. He describes seeing like half roughly half of

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the cigar shaped craft intact and the other half scattered

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over a very large area, bigger than a football field,

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of lots of pieces of what he described as sort

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of an aluminum foil that had sort of shapes. And

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he got out of the car, debris filled again, not

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thinking alien, not thinking UFO, never once entered his mind

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that it was a UFO, that whatever it was, they

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needed help. He got out and he said the smell

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was so strong of like ammonia and sulfur, that he

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grabbed his T shirt and he put it up and

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over his mouth and nose and was just trying to,

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you know, block it out. And he said it was

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like an acid type like liquid over the grass, burning

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the grass area, and the smell was so strong, I mean,

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he nearly buckled his knees. And he picked up one

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of the pieces again this is according to Carlos Sosoza,

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and he said it was extremely light and like a tinfoil,

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like you could barely feel it in your hands, and

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then he crumpled it up and then it regained its shape,

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just like roswell. Yeah, just like Roswell. And this was

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nineteen ninety six January nineteen ninety six, and at that

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point military trucks arrived from the opposite direction that he

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came in. And if you look at the road and

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you look at the maps, that dirt road led directly

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to the military base as which is where all the operations,

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all the military operations started.

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Speaker 1: So do you think they saw something on radar, the

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local military and that's how they showed up. I heard

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it going on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard this again when I was just there

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from some people that were in discussions with that the

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Brazilian military got word from the Americans that there was

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an object coming in in and around that area.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I doubt.

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Speaker 2: I don't have definitive confirmation on that, but I've heard

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that from from a couple of sources now that they

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gave him the heads up that it was coming in

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and they got there within a few minutes of it

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actually impacting the ground.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? See so quickly?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but these at least two beings, right was it

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two beings that they allegedly escaped?

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Speaker 2: Well, so there he didn't see Carlo Sisozid saw no

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entities and I asked them specifically. I was like, well,

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was the intact piece that was remaining. Was it large

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enough to contain occupants? And he said, no question, it's

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about the halfs the side of a school bus. He

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did not see any entities at the crash site, and everyone,

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all the researchers Uber or Jada Pacaccini that we spoke to,

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they didn't know, like if the occupants ejected somewhere else

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earlier or they didn't know. And there's also some confusion

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as to exactly how many entities there were, because we

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have accounts from Hemanotos Hospital, we have accounts from regional

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hospital of entities that were alive. We've heard up to

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five entities. We think one was shot by one of

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the either the military or the or the fire department.

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Because when you're in the fire department or you're a

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police officer or you're a radar operator, you're still part

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of the Brazilian military, right, So we've heard accounts of

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one that was shot, one that was captured with a net,

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one that was captured just you know, cowboy style. That

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was Marco Cheriz, who died several weeks later. But we

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really only focused on two. But we're still looking for testimony.

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We've got now for the first time in history, testimony

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of what took place in Regional Hospital, which is where

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we reported several years ago that the two military police

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officers ultimately ended up dropping the creature off at was Regional.

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But we also have testimony from a military guy from

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as a military base that he picked one up at

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least one from Humanotos Hospital, which is not that far

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away in the town of Virginia from Regional, but we

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don't know. We don't have right now. We don't have

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testimony from any doctors sorry, Humanotas Hospital. However, we've got

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reports that doctor Roger Lear met with two doctors we

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had the name of one of them, we still haven't

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gotten to them yet that there was a live creature

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at Humanitas as well. But again that's the evidence on

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that one. We just don't have the testimony yet. Right now,

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we have extremely solid testimony from the head neurosurgeon, doctor

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Italo Venturelli from he's the head neurosurgeon at Regional Hospital

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for the first time now that he had face to

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face communication with it in captivity.

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Speaker 1: Well you know what I mean, there's how many witnesses

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would you say total, there's got to be dozens and dozens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know a lot of people saw, like you know,

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we interviewed the the TV Princess, the three reporters. We

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interviewed all three of them that got wind of what

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had happened right after girls had the encounter with the

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creature in that particular area, and that was just two

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blocks away from where the capture apparently was military blockades.

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They were asking questions the military blockade, just a few

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blocks away from the girls encountered the creature. We interviewed

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those guys. They were asking questions as a military base

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because apparently one of them was transported there overnight and

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they were told if they asked one more question, they'd

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be taking to jail, and they were threatened at gunpoint,

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one of them trying to get through the blockade to

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go closer to where the girls had allegedly encountered this creature.

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And then you've got the three girls that came in

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contact with it. You've got other people that had witnessed

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some activity from the first capture in the morning with

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the fire department where they apparently captured with a net.

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Everybody's got a small piece of the puzzle, and when

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you start putting it all together with maps, it all

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makes all the pieces of the puzzle fit together perfectly.

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Although we got some gaps. There were a lot lot

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of people. And we actually just interviewed the current mayor

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just a few days ago, and the current mayor saw

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he had a bakery at the time, and he said

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on camera just recently that he would deliver fresh baked

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goods to the hospital at Regional Hospital. He saw all

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the military activity that day and he couldn't get in

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from the main entrance because of all the military activity.

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They only would allow him to deliver up through the

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back or something like that. And again, it's a lot

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of people saw different aspects of the operations. Lots of people,

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lots of people.

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Speaker 1: The revelation that I was unaware of and maybe was

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in your other film about this, but the testimony of

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the girl's mother talking about the people in black yeah

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showing up. Can you talk a little bit about that.

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I don't want to give too many spoilers, but this

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is really fascinating.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I I'd heard about these men in suits,

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these men in dark suits. I like to say men

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in dark suits because MiB has got so much baggage

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to it, and I'd heard about it dating back to

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nineteen fifty with McMinnville Organ with Evelyn Trent and her

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husband Paul. Evelyn was home alone when these men, one

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man I think it showed up from some unknown government

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agency in a suit and rummaged through. She they'd taken

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three photographs of a disc at McMinnville Organ in nineteen fifty,

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and that was kind of the first time i'd really

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heard about the so called men and men in black

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men from somenown government agency, and then I'd heard about

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it a handful of other times. I heard about it

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with Phoenix Lights. I was in touch with the councilwoman

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Francis Barwood about a gentleman who loveagely shot video of

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the craft as it flew over his house because everyone

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was out of the night sky trying to get a

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glimpse of the hell Bob comment and I heard about

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it pretty credible from her report on it. That I

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heard about men in suits showing up. After the nineteen

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seventies encounter over TEHRANI ron with General Parvis Chafari, men

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in suits showed up from the American government the next

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morning and the encounter happened in the middle of the night,

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so it wasn't that many hours. And then I heard

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about these men in suits showing up at the nineteen

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eighty nine early nineteen nineties Belgian UFO wave. Wilfrid de

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Brower talked about it. They requested the radar tapes from

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the Brazilian sorry, from the Belgian Air Force. They want

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an official request to give them copies of those tapes.

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They wouldn't do it. There'd be a paper trail. And

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then when I got to and a number of other cases,

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we can go on all night, but a number of

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other cases i'd heard about, I just kind of avoided

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really going in on these so called men in black

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I don't know, man, I just thought it was a

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bridge too far. But then when I got to Brazil

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and I interviewed the mother of the two daughters, Lily,

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Honey and Valkaria, she was so pure and so honest,

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and I just thought, and then she says, yeah, these

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men in suits shut up at my door. They were menacing.

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They tried to get my they tried to offer us

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money to get my daughters to go on TV, saying

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they were lying. They didn't see what they said they

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saw and that. At that point, I was like, I'm

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pretty convinced that these guys exists. I'm gonna report on it.

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And I did. I went all in on that on

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that time, on that case, which was in nineteen ninety six, Entrey.

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Speaker 1: Told them to get out, which she did, all of

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money and get out.

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Speaker 2: All leave, and they were quite insistent. She was scared.

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She said she was scared for her personal safety. Her

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husband wasn't home, her daughters were just going to bed,

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and they were very menacing, very intimidating. Two of them

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said nothing. They had clipboards, took notes. The other one talked.

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They had a briefcase with money, offered her a whole

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briefcase they could relocate. All they had to do was

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go on in the morning news and say their daughters

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were lying, and she refused to do that.

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Speaker 1: That's so great, That's so great. So I wanted to

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just mention out there. I want to thank everyone that

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posted questions for James. I'm gonna be getting to some

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of those in a little bit. Thank you so much.

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I put that out on x I Believe and also

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on my YouTube channel, and a bunch of people responded

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we'll be talking about that. So the curious thing is

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these things, the beings purportedly go to a couple of

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different hospitals and then bingo toward the US according to

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some reports. And just to think that the craft, I

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mean that our United States government would actually come to

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you know, to a place like Brazil when something like

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this happens. And I know that you and I have

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had a conversation. I had Jonathan Wygan on and we

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had a conversation about him and a very similar thing.

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They just show up right away somehow, they know what's

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it's what's going on, and they show up and do

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their whatever it is they do, take the bodies, take

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the craft, and bring them where. I mean, this is

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like a whole different section. What do they call it,

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the legacy UFO. I mean, we may never know where

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these things get tucked away and under private entities or whatever,

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but somewhere. I do believe that these things exist today

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and jars are whatever the famildehyde, that these beings are somewhere,

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and I mean, we really should know if this is uh,

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if this is really happening.

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Speaker 2: I uh, I'm really curious. I'm a very curious person.

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I ask a lot of questions, And every time I

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get the opportunity to ask anybody that I consider would

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be in a position to know, I'm like, where are

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they sort of the craft where they you know, the

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vast majority, or like right Panison Air Force Base, right

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Pantis Air Force Base where Patt is an Air Force base.

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I feel quite confident. I think some of very few

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had said area fifty one, although that would be the

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perfect place. But right Pat is like everybody across the

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board that I've talked to is like, yeah, I went

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to right Pat. But recently I've been talking about like

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wanting to know about the bodies. And I didn't say

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anything to this particular individual, and this is just a

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month or two ago, but this individual will definitely be

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in a position to know, certainly by my standards. And

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I asked this individual, like where if the bodies were

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flown out from Brazil alive, where would they go? And

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the individual kind of like pause and and then said

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east coast. And that's as far as it's as much

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as I'm giving you. So that's about as far as

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I've gotten with that answer. Now, the coast, so they

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can't be that far from.

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Speaker 1: Me, Yeah, Yeah, it's gonna make us all wonder where. Wow.

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That's that's really uh, that's really interesting.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: I just a little jack here when you talk about

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Right pat I'm in this little strummer's not a very

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good guitar player, but I'm in a strummers group. And

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we strum down in South Carolina in this group, and

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there was this older guy there and he says, oh, yeah,

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I used to work at Right Patterson in the intelligence

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and you know, blah blah blah. Because I told him

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I did a show in UFOs and at this point

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in my life, I really don't tell everybody. I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.

477
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,839
Speaker 1: Yeah. So and he said, oh, I used to hang out,

478
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,599
you know, water Cool with all these guys from you know,

479
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:37,000
Project Bluebook, you know, years years ago. And then and

480
00:27:37,039 --> 00:27:40,440
then he says, and then yeah, and even after they

481
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:43,559
were supposedly closed down. I said, what are you talking about?

482
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:46,519
He said yeah, he said they were still around. He said,

483
00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:48,799
after the nineteen seventy they were still around. Who we

484
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,160
used to talk. So I was like, what, it closed

485
00:27:53,279 --> 00:27:55,440
sixty nine, But those guys are still doing their thing.

486
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: I knew they were because I was getting reports from

487
00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:02,599
people in the seventies, eighties, nineties of these men in

488
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:06,119
suits showing up investigating, trying to like silence the witness,

489
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,759
threatening people, offering them money, bribing them. So I knew,

490
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,759
Like of course, when the you know, a tip was

491
00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:15,039
revealed on the front page of the New York Times, yeah,

492
00:28:15,039 --> 00:28:16,680
it was cool. I was like, yeah, this is great

493
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,519
to have some level of recognition. But I've known that

494
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,839
the investigations never ended, they just went underground.

495
00:28:23,559 --> 00:28:26,559
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I mean it's just another thing. You

496
00:28:26,599 --> 00:28:30,200
don't hear anything about that, you know. I mean, and

497
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:34,960
you know, something like aro. You know, they claim they

498
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:38,519
don't have any you know, they don't have enough evidence

499
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:41,559
or whatever. They they really wanted to get all their

500
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,119
access to all these things. They would and you know,

501
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:47,680
I mean, I don't know if you heard about this,

502
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:53,759
but Matt Ford recently was approached by someone from there,

503
00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:56,880
you know, like maybe it was I don't know, maybe

504
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,640
a through AI or something like that, like he would

505
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,119
fit position. But anyway, it was about one of the

506
00:29:03,119 --> 00:29:05,640
things was have you ever worked for any type of

507
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,279
disinformation or anything like that. It was basically spelling out that,

508
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,279
you know, they were looking for people that knew how

509
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:14,440
to handle disinformation.

510
00:29:15,839 --> 00:29:18,880
Speaker 2: Well, I went into a skiff with the new head

511
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,200
of Arrow, John Kosklowski, and that was probably about exactly

512
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:25,480
a year ago. Something really litt look. Yeah, I did, yeah,

513
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,440
And I got my little pass and I had to

514
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,759
get a forty eight hour background check and I go

515
00:29:29,839 --> 00:29:32,920
through all the security to get in and they had

516
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,720
like these glass tube like things. I'm going to back

517
00:29:37,799 --> 00:29:40,359
up and show you. They were like it was really cool.

518
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:42,119
I felt like it was in the Star Trek episode.

519
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,079
They were glass cylindrical like tubes maybe maybe about that

520
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:49,119
big round went up pretty high, and you walk up

521
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,640
to them and one side opens up and you walk in.

522
00:29:52,759 --> 00:29:55,200
You stand there, that closes and you stand there for

523
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,759
a beat, and then the other one opens and you

524
00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:01,000
go through. Wow. Man, swear this is crazy. Swear on

525
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:05,759
my life. And then we go inside and I have

526
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,759
to I have to go to a locker and I

527
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:10,960
got to get rid of my camera, everything electronic on me.

528
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,920
I had to get rid of it locker. But I

529
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,920
asked the individual. I was like, Hey, they're probably gonna

530
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:16,720
hear this, but I was like, hey, can I is

531
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,359
there a bathroom I can use real quick? Because I

532
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:20,039
was like, I need to take a picture of this pass,

533
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,240
because no one's gonna believe me. So I went to

534
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:25,039
the bathroom, took a picture. I have a picture of

535
00:30:25,079 --> 00:30:28,039
the pass that Olivia and it was like escort mandatory

536
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,400
or required or something like that. And then I came

537
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,519
out bathroom, put all my electronics in in a locker.

538
00:30:35,599 --> 00:30:37,759
They probably went through it. And then, you know, just

539
00:30:37,799 --> 00:30:40,440
like in the movies, this kind of vaulted door opened

540
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,119
that up went inside, and I got escorted down this

541
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,759
hallway and there was it was, you know, fairly narrow,

542
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,559
narrow hallway, and there was a door to my left

543
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:53,279
that was open, and there was a door to my

544
00:30:53,359 --> 00:30:56,799
right that was not open, and he was like wait here.

545
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:00,200
So I was standing there and I couldn't help myself off.

546
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,400
I just kind of looked over to my left and

547
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,960
I saw a round table meeting. It might have been

548
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,400
oval shaped table, but I honestly, I can't remember for sure.

549
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,680
And there were a handful of maybe four or five people,

550
00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:14,079
a couple of women and like three men, and they're

551
00:31:14,119 --> 00:31:18,119
having a meeting, official looking meeting, and I mean, come on,

552
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,079
I couldn't help myself. I just kind of tuned in

553
00:31:20,279 --> 00:31:23,559
and you know, our brains have this uncanny ability to

554
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,200
filter out any noise and really zero in on exactly

555
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,000
where we want to, you know. So I'm kind of

556
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:31,519
like trying to pick up on this conversation and you know,

557
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,440
basically spying, I guess. And one of them gets up

558
00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:37,960
quickly at the table, walks over the door quickly and

559
00:31:38,079 --> 00:31:43,000
shuts the door into my face, at which point somebody

560
00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:48,960
from was the AFOSI Office of Special Investigation Air Force

561
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,839
Office of Special Investigation comes up. I know his name,

562
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:53,559
but I'm not going to reveal it, and takes me

563
00:31:53,599 --> 00:31:57,200
into this office and there was a computer set up,

564
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,480
and it was a computer that had that I I

565
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:04,200
had interviewed some Intel people that said that a lot

566
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,440
of the high resolution UFO data was on because I

567
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,680
remember going, well, what's what's that platform? You know? The

568
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,680
individual told me and I was like, Oh, my gosh,

569
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,079
that's where I think a lot of the classified stuffs held.

570
00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:18,799
But I'm looking over the computer and then John Klosklowski

571
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:23,960
comes in, the new head of ARROW, and I I

572
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:25,720
was just talking to them. I mean, they knew who

573
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,799
I am. I'm not gonna you know. I was talking

574
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,599
about RUA. I was talking about Virginia. I was talking

575
00:32:30,599 --> 00:32:33,799
about Skoro. I was talking about and I said, and

576
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:36,920
they just sat there quietly listening, two of them, And

577
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,599
I said, you know, what's the plan. When you guys

578
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:43,599
make the determination based on your investigations, you know, you're

579
00:32:43,599 --> 00:32:45,880
going to come out with the fact that it's a

580
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,359
very small percentage of what we're experiencing here on Earth,

581
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:53,559
you know, is non human intelligence. I mean, there's no

582
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,880
question about it. Is there a plan to till the public?

583
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:03,359
And they both sat there quietly. John goes, you know, James,

584
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,400
he goes, I can't part my own hair without approval

585
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,359
from the DoD and you can quote me on that,

586
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,039
which is rather interesting. He's basically like, my hands are tied,

587
00:33:16,319 --> 00:33:21,799
you know. And it was quite revealing. But they never said,

588
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:25,160
oh no, that those cases don't exist under the crash retreatment. No,

589
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,319
they didn't say anything. They're just very quiet. And that's

590
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:29,000
what he said.

591
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that reminds me kind of like the FOYA that

592
00:33:32,279 --> 00:33:35,880
you had sent and how they replied back to you. Basically,

593
00:33:36,119 --> 00:33:39,200
we can't deny or you know what I mean. It's

594
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:41,799
kind of like they're admitting but they can't talk about it.

595
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: We cannot confirm nor deny no, based on some National

596
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:50,799
Security Act of nineteen forty nine. That's right, Yeah, your request,

597
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:52,880
and I was just asking for the flight logs of

598
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,000
all planes, but in a particular dates. I think it

599
00:33:55,039 --> 00:33:58,759
was like ten days apart, maybe like January fifteenth or

600
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:05,720
fourteenth to January thirtieth or twenty eighth, you know, and

601
00:34:05,119 --> 00:34:09,599
and and the CIA responded, was from the CIA, it's

602
00:34:09,639 --> 00:34:13,639
in the film. Yeah, so three years to hear back from.

603
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: Them, right, So overall, how did this skiff come about?

604
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,639
And what do you what did you get out of

605
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:24,760
the whole thing? What was your You just that is,

606
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,800
hands are tied and you don't think that anything's gonna happen, or.

607
00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:31,119
Speaker 2: They were gonna. Really they were gonna. I can't go

608
00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,360
into too much detail because I promised them I wouldn't,

609
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,920
but they were they'd found a particular video that was

610
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,519
of interest in the UFO community, particularly me, and they

611
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:42,599
were like, oh, we think we found the explanation and

612
00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:44,840
here it is, and this is performing a certain way

613
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,679
because of x y Z. And I looked at it.

614
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:51,159
I looked at him and I was like, you can't really, no,

615
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,480
that's gonna be a slap in the face. This contradicts

616
00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:56,719
every bit of testimony, particularly from the individual who shot it.

617
00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:01,679
This is absolutely totally inconsistent with the descriptions. With everything else.

618
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,599
You don't do that, don't release this, and I don't

619
00:35:04,599 --> 00:35:05,320
think they ever did.

620
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,559
Speaker 1: That's good. I mean, it's good that they would actually

621
00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:12,960
listen to someone on the outside basically, you know, yeah.

622
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 2: Because you know, I don't know, man, you'd like to

623
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,480
think that some of these people want to do the

624
00:35:17,559 --> 00:35:21,320
right thing, but their hands are tied, you know. I mean,

625
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,480
just because you're on the inside, you know, and you

626
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,599
have access all this classified data doesn't make you a

627
00:35:27,639 --> 00:35:30,400
bad person. It's your job, you know. And there's some

628
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,280
people that feel that people you know, like ourselves have

629
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,360
the right to know and uh, but they're you know,

630
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:43,039
they're sworn to secrecy. So it's it's, uh, you know,

631
00:35:43,159 --> 00:35:45,239
it's like, how do you circumvent that? That's where I'm

632
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,719
at right now in my career, is like, how can

633
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,679
we create a platform, how can we create an environment.

634
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,079
It's like, you don't have to believe Grush. You don't

635
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:54,679
have to believe Lou, you don't have to believe Hall,

636
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,920
you don't have to believe Eric Davis. But what they're

637
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:01,480
saying is so extraordinary and so impotentially impactful around the

638
00:36:01,519 --> 00:36:06,800
world that what can we do to create an environment

639
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,320
to allow them to testify? Do we need to like

640
00:36:09,679 --> 00:36:12,119
rattle the cage of our elected officials. I've heard that

641
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:14,960
it could come from the Senate, the executive branch. How

642
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:17,480
do we give these guys immunity? How do we allow

643
00:36:17,559 --> 00:36:20,880
them to give the details needed, those classified details needed

644
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:24,800
to verify their extraordinary claims? And I think that's where

645
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:29,599
I'm starting to transition into that kind of that kind

646
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:33,760
of effort is to we've all had it, We've all frustrated.

647
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,320
I get it, you know, we're tired of hearing these

648
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,519
extraordinary claims without providing any evidence. I'm right there with

649
00:36:39,639 --> 00:36:43,639
all of you. And that's I'm kind of transitioning into

650
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,760
that movement more so than anything else, because these people

651
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:49,400
claim they're willing to testify, they said they would like to.

652
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,400
They just need immunity, right right.

653
00:36:53,559 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I thought that was a very interesting

654
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,639
comic by Eric Davis. How he if he had that,

655
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:03,039
he would love to be able to talk about everything

656
00:37:03,079 --> 00:37:04,480
that he knows.

657
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 2: Well, you can imagine, like I mean, one of the

658
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,519
questions I asked him in the movie and you I'm

659
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:14,280
sure you remember this, but it's like, you know, what

660
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,239
was it like when you got to see photographs of

661
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,559
crash from Fiel? Can you put me there in that space?

662
00:37:20,079 --> 00:37:22,119
I did? Like, forget about the details, you can't give

663
00:37:22,159 --> 00:37:24,440
those to me, But what was it like to see that?

664
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:25,119
Speaker 1: Yeah?

665
00:37:25,159 --> 00:37:27,639
Speaker 2: How did it impact your life? How did it make

666
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,599
you feel? Like? Did you look at the world differently

667
00:37:30,599 --> 00:37:33,000
from that point on? Like? You know? And he even

668
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:34,599
swore up and down, he said, I swear to my

669
00:37:34,679 --> 00:37:35,880
children's lives I saw it.

670
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you don't do that lightly, you don't know

671
00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:40,960
that lightly at all.

672
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 2: I would never do I would never do that if

673
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,679
it wasn't the case. Never you imagine.

674
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:51,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, absolutely So here's a question from the Oracle

675
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:54,639
fifty five. What is James response to the questions raised

676
00:37:55,039 --> 00:37:59,920
in a recent video by Patrick from Vetted regarding doctor Ataliov?

677
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:04,079
Surely I can't pronounce the name truely Venturelli, thank you.

678
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,360
Contradictory statements on the Virginia incident from twenty twenty three,

679
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,039
in an interview where he said he only saw the

680
00:38:11,159 --> 00:38:14,679
alien on a video provided by someone else, compared to

681
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:18,280
the recently where James seems to insinuate that he did

682
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:19,960
see the being with his own eyes.

683
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 2: James did or he did?

684
00:38:23,199 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: He's you know that you are insinuating that he did see.

685
00:38:28,039 --> 00:38:30,039
Now I saw the video, so I saw that he

686
00:38:30,079 --> 00:38:32,320
did say that he did see with his own eyes.

687
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:35,800
Let's just address that question because there a few people

688
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:36,920
have asked something similar.

689
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a legitimate question. First of all, he's lied

690
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,760
about it for twenty nine years, twenty eight twenty nine years.

691
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:50,039
We Marco and I we have a mole that works.

692
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,599
I'm not going to say what hospital that because I've

693
00:38:52,599 --> 00:38:54,880
been going after the video. That's that was my primary

694
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,960
objective since the film came out. The video, the video,

695
00:38:58,159 --> 00:39:00,400
the video, the photographic evidence, were going after the chief

696
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,480
of police, going after any potential doctors, and this particular

697
00:39:04,559 --> 00:39:08,039
mole was telling us you might want to talk to

698
00:39:08,119 --> 00:39:10,199
this person, you might want to go out to this person,

699
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,760
giving us names. So we had pretty good beat on

700
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,320
doctor Etel Eventurelli, who was a current neurologist at Regional

701
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,519
Hospital that he'd seen the video. So if that was

702
00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:25,480
the case, who showed it to him? Who shot it?

703
00:39:25,559 --> 00:39:29,239
Where's the video? Today. So we set up a meeting

704
00:39:30,519 --> 00:39:35,559
and after a lot of effort, Ittelo agreed to meet

705
00:39:35,559 --> 00:39:38,719
with us. And I was on a video zoom call

706
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,840
and this is a little over a year ago, and

707
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,840
I was with Marko Leale not here, this is different

708
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:49,760
and this is us recently. And I pinned him down

709
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,599
and basically like with Marco Leal, and was like, you know,

710
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,239
did you see this? Do you know about this video?

711
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,320
Did you see the video? Is it true? You know?

712
00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:05,039
And to my absolute amazement, he confessed, well, we weren't

713
00:40:05,079 --> 00:40:07,079
recording this at the time. It was just a video

714
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:10,239
like a zoom call on. It was a call with

715
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,639
a video call, and I was looking at him, he

716
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,079
was looking at me on the phone, and to my amazement,

717
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:21,119
he confesses that he saw the videotape and it did exist.

718
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,960
And I believe he went as far as giving us

719
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,800
the name of Marco Venissis, who was a fellow neurosurgeon

720
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,599
who shot the video, who died of a heart attack

721
00:40:28,639 --> 00:40:31,400
in twenty eighteen. And I was like, Okay, where's his wife?

722
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,239
Where is this? Where's you know? And I was fixated

723
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,039
on that. I didn't even think to ask him on

724
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:39,039
that call, did you actually see the creature because I

725
00:40:39,079 --> 00:40:40,599
was like the video of the video of the video.

726
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:44,159
So we hang up, and I was just always super

727
00:40:44,199 --> 00:40:46,199
excited because I was like looking forward to going back

728
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,679
to Virginia and seeing if you can't track this video down.

729
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,440
The guy down on a heart attack, so if he

730
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,960
had the video hidden somewhere in his house, it would

731
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,960
probably still be there because he died suddenly of a

732
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,719
heart attack. After the video call, Marco kind of pins

733
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,719
him dow on a little interview at his desk and

734
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,800
was like, well, ask the more questions, did you you

735
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,679
know did you see the creature? And he denied it,

736
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:13,840
and he denied it on camera, and after that he

737
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,039
had a heart attack. Apparently he was lying in the

738
00:41:17,199 --> 00:41:19,599
ICU staring at the ceiling. I don't know if it

739
00:41:19,639 --> 00:41:21,960
was one month, two month, three months later, and he

740
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:25,000
was thinking to myself. He was thinking to himself as

741
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:30,119
he stared at the ceiling at the ICU, like Marco venisis,

742
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:32,000
I can't take this story to my grave. If I

743
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,679
survived this, I think I'm going to come clean. And

744
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:38,159
then after he survived the heart attack, he got prostate

745
00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:41,599
cancer and he had surgery for prostate cancer and then

746
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:44,719
after all that and he was still recovering from the

747
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:49,559
prostate surgery. I was. We were back in Vargenia, still

748
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:52,679
trying to pin Etholo down to locate this video. I

749
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:54,440
didn't really it wasn't really aware of his all of

750
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,360
his health complications at that point. And we were meeting

751
00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,440
with the two forensic pathologists, and this is roughly a

752
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:02,400
year after we interviewed each low and each is being

753
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,000
very evasive because we were kept we were just like video,

754
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:07,320
video video, We got to get this video. So we're

755
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:12,280
interviewing doctor Armando, who did the autopsy on the deceased

756
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:16,639
military officer. We're also interviewing the founder of IPD and

757
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:23,960
look up the acumen at the come on, it's a IPD.

758
00:42:24,559 --> 00:42:28,880
I don't know what it stands for. But doctor Janini

759
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,719
and we were talking to him about the tissue samples

760
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,840
and they're going on the record, they're going to participate

761
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:36,320
in the film, and we're filming the whole thing. And

762
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:42,079
towards the end of filming at the lab IPD Labs,

763
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:46,920
I said to doctor Armando, Hey, you're very well connected

764
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,239
in the medical community. You're running these hospitals, you run

765
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:53,559
this lab, You're closely tied to doctor Janini. You did

766
00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:56,880
the autopsy on the cized military officer. Can you get

767
00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:58,480
us in touch? Can you get us back in touch

768
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,800
with each low he's not been returning our calls. So

769
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,880
he picks up the phone and this is just and

770
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,920
this was in January of this year. He picks up

771
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,079
the phone, Boom, gets him on the phone and he

772
00:43:10,159 --> 00:43:14,159
hangs They talk in Portuguese, hangs up and he said

773
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,079
he'll meet you tomorrow morning around the backside the back

774
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:24,000
entry point into Regional Hospital ten o'clock. We're like, oh, okay,

775
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:30,280
let's go, you know. And I knew that the creature

776
00:43:30,679 --> 00:43:33,400
was dropped off at Regional Hospital. I was super excited.

777
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:35,400
I wasn't sure exactly where this was going to what

778
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,719
was going to be said, And we went to the back.

779
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:40,679
He shows up. He pulls us in the back entry

780
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,519
point Regional Hospital, takes us down these corridors all through

781
00:43:44,559 --> 00:43:50,480
this whole you know, labyrinth, and takes us into about

782
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:53,239
to take us into the ICU, and he's like, you

783
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,960
got to put this, you know, all this protective gear

784
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:58,400
or mask, because in order to go to the ICU,

785
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,280
you have to be you know, all this a protective stuff,

786
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:05,159
and we weren't sure exactly where it was going. And

787
00:44:05,519 --> 00:44:08,239
he initially starts like, this is this is the bed

788
00:44:09,199 --> 00:44:13,360
where I saw the video, and then he says nonchalantly,

789
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,280
and the creature was lying directly in this bed. And

790
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,519
I was kind of confused. I was like, wait a minute,

791
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:22,079
the video was like the creature and he had just

792
00:44:22,119 --> 00:44:27,199
decided just to go just to expose it all. I

793
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,559
don't even know if he was sure that he was

794
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:30,119
going to do that when he met with us that morning,

795
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,039
but he was like, not only was the video shot

796
00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:33,880
here and this is where I saw it, but the

797
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,119
creature was lying in this very bed right here, and

798
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:40,480
he went he just decided, screw it, regardless of the consequences,

799
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,639
I'm coming clean now right here on camera, and he did.

800
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,840
The people running the hospital ended up catching us in

801
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:51,840
the ICU. We had no permits, we were supposed to

802
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,159
be there. We get kicked out. He's like, I think

803
00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:55,320
I just lost my job.

804
00:44:56,079 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: Oh.

805
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: We leave the hospital. We don't know where we're going

806
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,280
to go. We have the cameras rolling. We go into

807
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,079
a little cafe next door and we start talking more

808
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:06,440
details and I'm trying to process. We all are and

809
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,760
you can look on the faces of the audio guy,

810
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:12,400
the camera guy marco Leal, like we're all shocked. Did

811
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,079
he just say what we thought he said? Did this really?

812
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,679
We sat down at the table and we had cameras rolling,

813
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,400
and I asked him. I was like, you know, after

814
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:27,400
twenty nine years and now you're coming forward, Like, what

815
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,320
does it feel like? And he's like, I feel like crying,

816
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,320
and he starts to cry, and then the camera pans

817
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,239
back to me and I'm like, I wouldn't be chasing

818
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,920
this down for sixteen years. And I got really emotional

819
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,039
if I didn't think it was true. And he's like,

820
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:42,119
it's true. You can believe it. It's true. And we've

821
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:45,159
asked them subsequently since then, multiple times on camera. I

822
00:45:45,199 --> 00:45:46,480
was just with him a couple of days ago in

823
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,119
Brazil and he's like, he's never asked for a single dime.

824
00:45:50,639 --> 00:45:52,760
He wasn't ready to come forward. He had all these

825
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:56,400
health complications. He decided I'm not taking this to the grave.

826
00:45:56,639 --> 00:45:59,079
I'm telling my family, I'm telling my wife, I'm telling

827
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:03,159
my son, telling my coworkers this happened. And we're hoping

828
00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:08,239
that his courage will encourage other witnesses from Humanitas's hospital

829
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,280
to come forward, and I know that he's in touch

830
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,960
with a couple of them, so we'll see what happens.

831
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:18,000
So could he be lying, Yeah, I could be. He's

832
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,639
a pretty damn good liar. He deserves an oscar, but

833
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,119
he's not getting paid a dime. He's still at the

834
00:46:23,199 --> 00:46:26,400
head neurosurgeon at regional Hospital. He says he's willing to

835
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:28,440
take a public light detect to test with his right

836
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,760
hand on a bible. We has everything to lose and

837
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:36,440
nothing to gain. So you know, I think it's personally.

838
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,360
I think it's someone and you meet him, you spend

839
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:40,639
time with him, you look him in the eyes, you

840
00:46:40,679 --> 00:46:43,639
meet his wife, you meet his coworkers. I met all

841
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:46,199
the people that he's worked with the hospital, and they're like,

842
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,559
we've known him, you know, for all this time. And

843
00:46:49,639 --> 00:46:53,840
why on earth, in his twilight years running the hospital,

844
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:58,800
still working there, still doing brain surgery, Why on Earth

845
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,320
would he make it up? And he and he says, look, man,

846
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,599
I wasn't ready. I mean it's a big deal. I

847
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:06,639
mean I'm working on people's brains and they're going to

848
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,400
Oh that's the doctor that that sees has communication with aliensy.

849
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:12,880
I don't want him anywhere near me. I mean, he's

850
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,880
got everything to lose nothing again. So you know, run

851
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,559
it down, ask him the tough questions and you know,

852
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:22,360
and it all makes sense.

853
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:26,599
Speaker 1: And he said there was absolutely no malice. He could

854
00:47:26,679 --> 00:47:29,360
feel no malice from from the being.

855
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,679
Speaker 2: He said it was the most advanced. He said, it

856
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:34,719
was the most advanced intelligence of anything he's ever seen.

857
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:40,880
And then despite despite the creature being in captivity, it

858
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,760
had control of the room. And then when he looked

859
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,840
at it in the eyes, it read all of his thoughts.

860
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: He could read everything amazing. And then the US Army

861
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:53,760
broke in there, disrupted the whole thing and took the

862
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:54,400
being away.

863
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: He wasn't in the room when the when the military

864
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,280
came in, and he's stepsy, but yeah, he said, the

865
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,679
military came in, grabbed the creature and left and that

866
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,480
was it. He only had contact somewhere between two and

867
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:09,639
four minutes of face to face contact with the bean

868
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,960
in the in captivity at Regional Hospital.

869
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:17,079
Speaker 1: And everyone talks about that smell. That's really interesting, Like

870
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,719
he had he did not.

871
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 2: He said that he couldn't. And here's another interesting weird anomaly.

872
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,599
The girls and everybody that saw the creature either dead

873
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,480
according to military X, or alive in the hot, blazing

874
00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:38,440
sun outside suffering frayed. It was like like greasy and

875
00:48:39,119 --> 00:48:43,440
and and feeble, and and had like an oil excretion

876
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:47,119
coming out of its skin, and it had smelled and

877
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:49,440
and it was brown. Well, when it was in the

878
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:53,360
hospital again, according to doctor Ittolo, its skin was whiter.

879
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right all.

880
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:58,199
Speaker 2: I wasn't afraid and it didn't smell. So I don't

881
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,039
know if that's some sort of mechanism that I don't know,

882
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,719
like a skunk. I really don't know, So it's speculation,

883
00:49:05,079 --> 00:49:07,159
but it was. The girl said it was suffering. It

884
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,880
was a really hot day because January is summertime in Brazil,

885
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:13,639
a really really hot, really hot day, and then it

886
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,960
was weak, feeble and suffering.

887
00:49:18,119 --> 00:49:20,840
Speaker 1: Someone wants to know, do you think there's any hope

888
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,480
for ever getting that video or pictures? And I'll just

889
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:28,079
add a little caveat on that, how many people would

890
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:33,000
actually believe something like that even if they saw it today?

891
00:49:34,199 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 2: So for the first time, you know, certainly during my

892
00:49:39,639 --> 00:49:43,679
fifteen sixteen years investigating this case, and definitely Marco as well,

893
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:49,039
for the first time in the last year two we

894
00:49:49,119 --> 00:49:55,440
have we have a couple of names of either who

895
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,079
shot a photograph or took video. We have another lead

896
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:03,800
on potential video from the military, and we interviewed the chief,

897
00:50:04,159 --> 00:50:09,000
former chief of police, Pedro Aguuriar, and he told us

898
00:50:09,039 --> 00:50:12,679
on camera that and it's in the film. I believe

899
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,159
it's in the film. It must be in the film.

900
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,920
That there were many photographs and videos taken. There was

901
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,000
some taken by the fire department, by the doctors and

902
00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:23,960
by the military. Now I don't know if there was

903
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:26,599
video taking it he monitor us hospital. Right now, we

904
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:28,519
only have a solid lead a video that was taken

905
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:32,000
at regional hospital, and we've talked up to two doctors

906
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,559
that have confirmed that they saw the video shown to

907
00:50:35,599 --> 00:50:39,159
them by Marcos Venicis who died in twenty eighteen, also

908
00:50:39,199 --> 00:50:40,920
a neurosurgeon of a heart attack.

909
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: So it's possible. It's possible at may surface.

910
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 2: Well, le'll tell you what, We're not going to find

911
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,639
it if we if we give up looking, that's for sure.

912
00:50:55,039 --> 00:50:58,039
Speaker 1: That's right. So here's a question here that kind of

913
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:01,599
switches gears a little bit on the WHI which I

914
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:04,559
have to say, I really enjoyed sitting next to you

915
00:51:04,639 --> 00:51:08,320
when you screened the program out at Contact in the desert.

916
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,679
Was so much fun hearing your commentary as it's going along.

917
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:13,960
Oh yeah, you know, you're kind of whispering to me

918
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:16,960
as what you did to put these scenes together as

919
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,960
where you know, when we were sitting together. But yeah,

920
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,920
so this one's on the program and it's about the Calvine.

921
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 2: Case.

922
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:28,199
Speaker 1: Having covered the Calvin case in the program, do you

923
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:34,320
feel the latest evidence justifies a dedicated feature length documentary?

924
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:39,440
You know, there's just on the Calvin photo. I mean,

925
00:51:39,559 --> 00:51:43,880
I was watching eyes on cinema clips and there's some

926
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,039
really great old photos of UFOs that you just don't

927
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:51,119
see out there, like the Calvine that made such a

928
00:51:51,119 --> 00:51:54,400
big splash when there's other really good images out there.

929
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,800
But yeah, that made me think about that because also

930
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:04,000
supposedly someone saw another craft like twenty days later. Did

931
00:52:04,039 --> 00:52:06,000
you ever hear about that as well?

932
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:12,719
Speaker 2: Len Val Logan was in Europe in the military right

933
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:14,559
around that time, and I think either picked it up

934
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:16,480
on radar, or maybe picked it up on radar and

935
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,960
saw it visually, or maybe just radar, and he described

936
00:52:21,159 --> 00:52:26,199
that exact object the same year over Europe. I thought

937
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:29,400
that was really compelling. But look, we've got whoever was

938
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,920
flying that military jet. I heard it was a Harrier

939
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,159
jump jet that was flying around the object. Because according

940
00:52:36,199 --> 00:52:42,599
to ARIF press officer Craig Lindsay, the diamond shaped craft.

941
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:48,360
There were I think it was six photographs taken. There's

942
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,880
only one that leaked, and that the jet that was

943
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,400
pretty much the same photograph was like and the jet

944
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,960
is in a different position around the object. Now, whoever's

945
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,239
flying that jet, Let's say they were in their late twenties,

946
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:07,920
early thirties, right, So let's say even if they were

947
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,960
up to forty, they would be either late sixties or

948
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:17,679
early seventies now, so I think it would be a

949
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,599
big deal if we I'm sure there's like radar data

950
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,079
connect to that. Maybe they had a gun cam, who knows,

951
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,079
wouldn't it be interesting to hear from that. Now, the

952
00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:31,480
two led you know, the one photographer, the two witnesses.

953
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,440
Those guys vanished and it wasn't until fairly recently that

954
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,440
we had you know, testimony. Again, thank god to David

955
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:44,000
Clark for yeah, it's a great photograph, right and got

956
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,000
the fence line down below that. David Clark has done

957
00:53:47,039 --> 00:53:50,079
extraordinary research. Him and his any team, Vinnie and everybody else.

958
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:55,559
We heard from Richard greeb is it Greeve or Grieves

959
00:53:55,559 --> 00:53:57,679
like and there were he always criticized me when I

960
00:53:57,679 --> 00:53:59,400
don't get his name right. I think it's Richard Greaves.

961
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:02,239
But he's like talks about again the men in black,

962
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,679
you know, when they were working at the hotel and

963
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,440
they're out on a cigarette break and chefs, and the

964
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,440
two witnesses were chefs at that particular hotel, and and

965
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:14,639
Richard Greaves was on a cigarette break with them. When

966
00:54:14,639 --> 00:54:17,119
the when these men in black rolled up at night

967
00:54:17,199 --> 00:54:21,000
pissing rain, Yes, that's right, and he describes them coming

968
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:25,079
in why is the fucking goose? Yeah, it was a

969
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:27,360
great line in the film. But hey, man, if we

970
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,679
can get those witnesses to come forward, really compelling case,

971
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:32,280
really good case.

972
00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: That's that's right. Uh that is Let me just fire

973
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:39,079
off a couple of others up you go right here,

974
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:41,440
we're ending you were getting near the end of the show.

975
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:46,559
But about Bob Begelow's claimed that the uh that they're

976
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:50,599
walking among among us. Yeah, someone wants to know if

977
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:52,400
you can expand a little more on that or.

978
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: Well, you know that was My meeting with him was

979
00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:02,159
not too long after my two hour special I know

980
00:55:02,199 --> 00:55:05,280
what I saw aired on the History Channel and I

981
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,280
got I got an email from his assistant. I still

982
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:13,960
have it, and she said, uh, you know, mister Bigelow

983
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:16,360
would like to congratulate you on a job well done

984
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,280
with I know what I saw. I was like, mister Bigelow,

985
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,119
is that's the guy I think I you know, did

986
00:55:21,119 --> 00:55:24,000
a google. He was like, oh my god. And long

987
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,440
story short, you know, he agreed to meet with me.

988
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,679
And you know, at that point he'd been working on

989
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,800
ASAP now probably with a contract from the government for

990
00:55:33,039 --> 00:55:36,880
at least two years, possibly three, and he kept that

991
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,679
close to the vest, but he was I think he

992
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:41,400
met with me more to kind of find out what

993
00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:43,599
my next move were or what I was up to.

994
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:46,480
He kind of hinted on the fact that he might

995
00:55:46,519 --> 00:55:48,599
want to fund something I was going to do. I

996
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:51,079
don't think he ever did any intentions of actually doing that,

997
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,480
but uh, he talked about the complications of disclosure. He

998
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:58,480
talked about he said to me, and I was kind

999
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,920
of naive at that point still I am, I guess,

1000
00:56:01,559 --> 00:56:05,119
but he talked about you know. He goes, you know,

1001
00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:10,920
you take every every single scandal, iron contra, you know, Clinton,

1002
00:56:11,039 --> 00:56:14,559
all these things, you take them all and you multiply

1003
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:16,360
all you put them all together, and you multiply that

1004
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,920
by a thousand and that again. I'm just telling you

1005
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,239
what he said to me, am I saying, I agree

1006
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,079
with it, and that would be the impact. He was like,

1007
00:56:23,119 --> 00:56:26,199
you know financial markets, you know, financial institutions, you know

1008
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:29,519
religious institutions. You know, the impact would be so incredible.

1009
00:56:29,559 --> 00:56:31,480
And I just thought to myself, you know, I don't

1010
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,760
really know if I agree with that. I don't know,

1011
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,159
I don't know. I was always more like, I think

1012
00:56:36,159 --> 00:56:38,519
it would have a very unifying effect on humanity. Obviously

1013
00:56:38,519 --> 00:56:40,920
we'd have to get all over the ontological shock of it.

1014
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,079
But to me, I don't know, I didn't necessarily totally.

1015
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: Agree with that.

1016
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:46,119
Speaker 2: But he's put a lot of money into it, He's

1017
00:56:46,159 --> 00:56:49,960
on think tank, all these intellectual heavyweights within the scientific community.

1018
00:56:50,159 --> 00:56:53,119
What do I know? And that's when he said, and

1019
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:58,960
they're walking among us, and I said, I said, uh,

1020
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,280
I wasn't even sure to process what you just do?

1021
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:03,840
What you know that? I'm sorry?

1022
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 1: What?

1023
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 2: And he goes, I I what do you you know,

1024
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,280
what do you mean, he goes, I mean exactly that

1025
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:15,559
they're they're they're walking among us. And so I guess

1026
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:17,760
I kind of compartmentalized that and put it in the

1027
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,360
back of my head. I didn't I didn't believe it.

1028
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,280
I didn't not believe it. But I was just like,

1029
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,679
you know what, this is too crazy. I wasn't even ready.

1030
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,400
And as time went on and as I learned more

1031
00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,880
and learning more even to this day, maybe he's right.

1032
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:33,719
I don't know. It would be kind of funny if

1033
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,400
if he was right here we are looking out in

1034
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,480
the cosmos, there's life. It's like, it's like right here,

1035
00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:41,960
you know, wouldn't that be funny? Would be if that

1036
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,760
were true? And like, how would they break the news

1037
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,000
to the general bublbic on that one? I don't know, man,

1038
00:57:46,039 --> 00:57:48,000
maybe it's true. I talked to the people that I

1039
00:57:48,159 --> 00:57:52,239
really believe, you know, and a lot of people. You know,

1040
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,119
there was a lot of controversy with the with the

1041
00:57:54,199 --> 00:57:58,239
Jason sands Uh testimony, and and and I get it,

1042
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,000
you know, believe me, I get it. He said some extreme,

1043
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:04,960
the controversial stuff. But I did extensive research on his background.

1044
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:07,960
I got a hold of his military records. I contacted

1045
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:09,559
all the people that I know and trust in the

1046
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,280
in the intelligence agencies. I you know, do we trusted

1047
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,599
it does this guy's credentials. I met with people that

1048
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:17,599
were in the skiff with him, and they were like,

1049
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,599
you know, not so fast. I can't just quickly dismiss

1050
00:58:20,679 --> 00:58:22,639
this guy. He's he is who he says he is.

1051
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:25,400
I contacted his ex wife. I paid her to go

1052
00:58:25,519 --> 00:58:28,000
up into the attic and dig through all these boxes

1053
00:58:28,039 --> 00:58:30,360
and get all of his photographs of him in the military.

1054
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:34,000
I was one that exposed him, and I did as

1055
00:58:34,079 --> 00:58:36,199
much background as I could on the alleged encounter that

1056
00:58:36,199 --> 00:58:41,159
took place Every fifty one, and I decided to report

1057
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:44,519
on it, you know, not as fat, but it's like, okay,

1058
00:58:44,519 --> 00:58:46,679
I'm going to report on this with the hope that

1059
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,599
at some point maybe one of those other witnesses that

1060
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,679
could have been with him in that convoy would come forward.

1061
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:56,840
Right And since then I think it was James Clapper

1062
00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:00,280
came forward an age of disclosure and James Clapper was like, yeah,

1063
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,320
there's a there's an excessive amount of UAP or UFO

1064
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:09,280
activity in and around area fifty one. I thought hmm, okay.

1065
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:13,480
You know, and I'd heard other accounts of a legend encounters,

1066
00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:18,440
probably three or four different just completely separate stories of

1067
00:59:18,719 --> 00:59:22,239
entities in and around of encounters in and around the base.

1068
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,719
So you know, Jason Sands is not It's not as

1069
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:27,559
easy as one might think, like, yeah, he said some

1070
00:59:27,559 --> 00:59:31,039
cultural stuff. Did he have memories embedded? Did they somehow

1071
00:59:31,079 --> 00:59:34,880
manipulate his memory where he would know if he ever

1072
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,119
did come clean on what he did, know that this

1073
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:40,079
crazy shit would come out. I don't know, man, Maybe,

1074
00:59:40,239 --> 00:59:45,760
maybe not. But this is an extremely difficult period as

1075
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:49,199
a documentary filmmaker, as a researcher to be in the

1076
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:55,800
UFO or UAP field, because there are such extraordinary claims

1077
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,159
like you know, you look at like Bazarre, you look

1078
00:59:58,199 --> 01:00:01,440
at Grush, you look at Lou look at how you

1079
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:05,239
look at Eric Davis. These guys are saying these extraordinary things,

1080
01:00:05,239 --> 01:00:09,880
but we don't really have any evidence, any significant evidence

1081
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:12,119
to back any of it up. And one could say

1082
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:16,679
it's all controversial. It's very very hard, and I take

1083
01:00:16,719 --> 01:00:19,639
this stuff seriously and I don't just want to put

1084
01:00:19,679 --> 01:00:22,000
out stuff to get clicks. That's not who I am

1085
01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:25,199
as a filmmaker. I do the best I can. Sometimes

1086
01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:28,599
I have, you know, a failure in judgment perhaps, But

1087
01:00:28,679 --> 01:00:32,960
I'm telling you, despite all of that, Jason Sands is

1088
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,599
who he says he was. I had someone who was

1089
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:39,079
in the skiff with him say he revealed classified names

1090
01:00:39,079 --> 01:00:41,639
of special access programs that were I got in trouble

1091
01:00:41,679 --> 01:00:44,039
just for asking about. Like, the guy knows what he's

1092
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:47,760
talking he was where he says he was. It's like, ah, so,

1093
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,480
you know, you put this stuff out there. You know,

1094
01:00:50,519 --> 01:00:52,880
you get criticized in the UFO community fair enough, but

1095
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:55,039
I'm not putting it out all that as fact. If

1096
01:00:55,039 --> 01:00:58,079
any of it's true, that's huge. But you know, all

1097
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:00,400
it takes is a memory of Congress to watch the film,

1098
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,360
get the clearance, grab his ass, take him into a

1099
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:06,320
skift silently, and see what he knows. Right.

1100
01:01:06,800 --> 01:01:10,719
Speaker 1: I had Jason on with Darcy ware who they had

1101
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,719
this they have this battle, and they were both at

1102
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,440
this conference. I said, hey, let's record together, you guys

1103
01:01:17,559 --> 01:01:19,840
just hash it out. And I thought it went. I

1104
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:21,760
thought it went pretty well. They kind of shook hands

1105
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,519
at the end and kind of, uh, you know, parted

1106
01:01:24,599 --> 01:01:26,599
as more friends than anything else.

1107
01:01:26,679 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: So uh, but hey, I told I told Jason because

1108
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,760
I was like, look, man, this stuff is coming out

1109
01:01:31,840 --> 01:01:35,880
right now. Even if it's true, it's already, you know,

1110
01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:38,440
a tough pill to swallow. This encounter with this blue

1111
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:41,000
entity or this guy you know out in the field,

1112
01:01:41,039 --> 01:01:42,719
that's already a bridge to uh.

1113
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 1: You know.

1114
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,519
Speaker 2: I was like, even if that aspect of it is true,

1115
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:49,920
you have absolutely no evidence to back any of it up.

1116
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:53,400
And it sounds super crazy. It does not enhance your credibility.

1117
01:01:53,559 --> 01:01:55,559
If I were you, I'd keep that silent for now

1118
01:01:56,119 --> 01:01:59,119
until further stuff comes out. Who knows. And I've also

1119
01:01:59,239 --> 01:02:02,119
learned in the in the you know, it's so easy

1120
01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:05,079
to quickly dismiss something because it sounds too out there.

1121
01:02:05,239 --> 01:02:07,480
I've done it so many times, believe me, I have.

1122
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,400
I'm guilty as charged, but I've learned to kind of

1123
01:02:11,079 --> 01:02:13,880
suspend judgment, not have that kneesure reaction, and just like

1124
01:02:14,239 --> 01:02:16,519
you know, all right, well, and look, you can report

1125
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:19,239
on something, it doesn't mean like you do.

1126
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,239
Speaker 1: The best you can, right, I mean, leave it for

1127
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,480
the people to make their own judgment. Really, that's what

1128
01:02:25,519 --> 01:02:30,679
it's about. So I have to ask one last question here.

1129
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:35,159
You thought, at one time someone according to someone that posted,

1130
01:02:36,079 --> 01:02:39,960
you thought that you received some type of telepathic message

1131
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:43,719
from someone at one time in an airport.

1132
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:46,599
Speaker 2: Is that so in an airport?

1133
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: Maybe he's got it wrong. Someone was moving a chair

1134
01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:51,360
or something like that.

1135
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,559
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. That was at

1136
01:02:53,559 --> 01:02:55,440
the National Press Club in two thousand and seven.

1137
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: Oh oh okay, And you just felt as though you

1138
01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:03,239
had a you and so at that time, do you

1139
01:03:03,239 --> 01:03:05,159
think it was your imagination? Do you think you really

1140
01:03:05,159 --> 01:03:07,119
felt like you got a communication?

1141
01:03:07,639 --> 01:03:09,719
Speaker 2: Well, the weird thing is about that. And I don't

1142
01:03:09,719 --> 01:03:11,880
even like talking about it because it really discredits me.

1143
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,800
I think you know what, No, no, no, no, okay, I'll

1144
01:03:16,800 --> 01:03:18,880
talk about it. I'll talk about right, that's fine. You

1145
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:22,719
can make fun of me all you want, okay, because

1146
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:25,360
I don't know what it was. But uh, and I

1147
01:03:25,360 --> 01:03:27,000
even funny that was in two thousand and seven. I

1148
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:28,679
had a meeting with what's his name in two thousand

1149
01:03:28,679 --> 01:03:34,159
and nine, twenty ten, with Bigelow, and and I didn't

1150
01:03:34,199 --> 01:03:36,559
tell Leslie, I didn't tell my sister Kelly, I didn't

1151
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:38,679
tell anybody else at the National Press Club. After the event,

1152
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,480
never spoke of it ever, just like it didn't happen,

1153
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,679
but I was at the we were at the event

1154
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:48,039
we represented, and then at the end of the presentation,

1155
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:49,920
we opened up the floor for Q and A with

1156
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,800
the with the media, and actually we opened up the

1157
01:03:51,800 --> 01:03:54,400
floor entirely where people were just like rushing off to

1158
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:58,000
go and meet and interview cameras to whatever particular people

1159
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:02,199
they wanted to meet with. And and I looked at

1160
01:04:02,199 --> 01:04:04,400
this individual that was across the room from me. I

1161
01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:09,639
don't know how far away. He was, maybe thirty feet,

1162
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:13,159
twenty five feet something like that. I'm looking at him,

1163
01:04:13,559 --> 01:04:16,039
I don't know. Something just caught my eye looking at him,

1164
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,000
and he had these like really big electric blue eyes.

1165
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:23,760
They were just really like electric is the best way

1166
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:25,440
I can describe it. Like they were like lit up

1167
01:04:25,519 --> 01:04:27,800
or something. I don't know. I looked at those eyes

1168
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:31,280
and I was like Jesus Christ. And then he turned

1169
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:32,679
he looked at me, and he was like moving a

1170
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,000
chair or he's like I don't know if he was

1171
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:36,119
getting up and leaving or he was moving a chair.

1172
01:04:36,599 --> 01:04:38,079
And he turned over and he looked at me and

1173
01:04:38,079 --> 01:04:42,199
we locked eyes and like like just just as fast

1174
01:04:42,199 --> 01:04:47,119
as you could possibly immediately, you're not from here, and

1175
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:54,360
this individual. In my opinion, I could be crazy. This

1176
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,719
individual knew that I that I said that, that I

1177
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knew that he knew that I knew that, and he

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knew that I knew that he knew that. If that

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makes any sense. It's like it was like a quick

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mind thing, really instantaneous, Like it wasn't like looking, and

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then it came it was like look just like that,

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and then it was the end of it. And then

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he peeled away and I peeled away. I mean, you

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think I would have ran up to him and got

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a closer look or something. Nope. Never spoke about it

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ever again, and really ever again. And I think I

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might have talked about it to Chris Ramsey like years later.

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I don't think. I really don't think I talked about

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at all because I don't think it enhances my credibility

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at all. But it's true I did have that that

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with whatever that was, whatever it was. Yeah, I'm not

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saying it was an alien. I'm just telling you that

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was my experience, right.

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Speaker 1: I know there were some things that I've said on

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my show that I said up to myself that I'll

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never talk about because I've worried about, you know, my credibility.

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One was like a poultic ice type of situation, and

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you know what I mean. But I had these things happen.

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It really did happen at this point in my life

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to say, I don't care, you know what I mean.

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These things happen and I'm not telling a lie. So

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when I'm talking about the story, But as you get older,

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you just start realizing you know what matters and what doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Really I'm reporting on live aliens walking through a town,

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so you know.

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Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. That's a good point. So what's

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next in the James Fox world? Do you have any

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irons in the fire or with what you might be

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tackling down the road, or you're going to take it

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easy for a little while, or what's up?

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Speaker 2: Not Unfortunately, I'm not taking it easy right just yet.

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I I've got a big announcement coming up soon and

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I can't really go much in much more detail about it,

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and I'm not trying to be evasive, but it's going

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to be. It'll be hopefully it'll be a big event,

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and it's soon and I will be putting out a

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press release soon.

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Speaker 1: All right. So when that happens, why don't you send

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me a text so I can get it out there

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for you.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I appreciate we were talking.

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Speaker 1: This is so funny. Is that situation where you had

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this disgruntled guy there who would not talk to you,

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that threatened you with bullets? You had text me when

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01:07:01,840 --> 01:07:04,880
that happened. That was I just I just happened to

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text you about something you just told me this situation.

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You replied back, this guy has a gun and you know,

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blah blah blah. I mean that was Do you think

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someone did ask a question regarding that? Do you think

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there's any way the sisters catcha and all that could

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ever contact that guy and try to smooth it over

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and get no.

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Speaker 2: So I I talked to a security officer just a

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couple of days ago, a couple of days ago, a

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week ago in Brazil, and he knows Eric Lopes, and

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he confirmed that he did have a gun below the

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window and that he was going to shoot it if

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I if I didn't leave. When I left, he was

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going to take it out and he was going to

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fire a couple of rounds in the sky first. Yeah,

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and and uh, and so that would have done the

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01:07:52,559 --> 01:07:55,159
trick that you know, you know that's what he said,

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and so I, yeah, I just found that out a

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week ago. So we suspected he had a cell phone

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like kind of above the window, but he had his

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01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:06,239
arm down below, yeah, the window seal, and we suspected

1247
01:08:06,239 --> 01:08:07,800
he had a gun. As it turns out, he did

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have a gun but he was going to fire it

1249
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in the sky first. He wasn't gonna just shoot me

1250
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in the face like he said he was. But yeah,

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that would have been that would have been quite something.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that you don't you don't want your story

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to end that way, James, But yeah, I would hesitate

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to go back. Yeah. But anyway, thanks so much. It's

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always always so much fun to talk to you, and

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01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:32,840
we're always looking forward to your great projects that you

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put out.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing my best. This is tough. This is not easy, man.

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We're in weird territory in the UFO phenomenon. It's it's tough.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah, there's a there's a

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lot going on. So a Moment of Contact New Revelations

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01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:50,119
of Alien Counters. Check that out. It's on Amazon, and

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01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:52,479
uh is it anywhere else besides the Amazon?

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Speaker 2: So right now, and I think in a couple of days,

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we're going to make it available to rent a lot

1266
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,560
of board ny that I've got to pay back investors,

1267
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and then ultimately I'll make it available for free on

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various platforms like I always do. So if you're gonna

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if you want to buy it and support what I'm doing, great.

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I think it's like fourteen ninety nine, and then I

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think next week it'll be available for rent for like,

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I don't know, six ninety nine, seventy nine, something like that,

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01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:19,079
and then eventually and then a couple months later we'll

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put it on the various streaming platforms with commercials for

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free and get it out there that way. So that's it.

1276
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Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thank you it's always a pleasure, and thank you all

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for watching, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.