Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show on Martin with Willashire host,
and I've got James Fox coming right up. He's a
friend and always fun to talk to, and we're gonna
be talking about his new release, A Moment of Contact.
This came out on the twenty second of this month
in December, and it's the New Revelations of Alien Counters,
and we're going to be talking about that because there
are definitely some new revelations, which does seem to happen
a lot after a movie comes out, people come forward
and he's been to I think I sent a text recently.
I think it was a couple of weeks ago, and
he says, I'm getting on the plane now to go
to Brazil. I mean, I don't know how many times
he's gone. There are going to have to ask him
about that. This week's blog is a nineteen fifty four
landed craft and humanoid report from Sunina, Italy. Check that out.
That's by Charles Lear. Great blogs on our website PODCASTUFO
dot com. You got to check them out, a lot
of historical ones over the years. So the t shirts.
I had a text thing set up and people live
were texting me trying to get T shirts at all.
I don't know how that. I am quite a ludite
when it comes to technology, but somehow it worked before
the show, and then it stopped working. So I did
figure that out, and a whole bunch of people emailed
me instead that tried to text me that night. So
the T shirts went out to all of you, and
I'm glad so we have New Year's coming up. Thank
you all for making twenty twenty six great, twenty twenty
five great. I'm jumping ahead of myself and we'll see
what happens in twenty twenty six. You know, there's that
magic number that people have talked about in the UFO world,
twenty twenty seven, and I'm still wondering if people talking
about that. But let's see what happens in twenty twenty six.
So this is a pre recorded I had to because
of scheduling, so I had to pre record with James.
So but I don't edit. As you see, I just
left that twenty twenty six blooper in there, so I
keep my bloopers in. But anyway, I have I'm pretty
excited to have this guest coming up next week. And
Brady Estevez. She is a she works for the US
National Science Foundation. She's interested in the UAP topic and
how it might interweave with the deep space technology. And
I'm pretty excited to have her on next week. That's
next Tuesday, and that's when we start the eight pm
Eastern time, So that will start on January, you know,
the first week of January eight pm set of nine pm,
so both Tuesday and Thursday nights will be eight pm.
And here we go. Bring it in, James, welcome, James.
Speaker 2: Pleasure to be on, Pleasure to be on the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and last time we were right there in the
studio that was that was a lot of fun. I
love your play there. It's beautiful.
Speaker 2: This is the spot.
Speaker 1: It's the same exact spot. So I remember, you know,
walking by your Steven Spielberg letter, that nice letter that
he wrote you, and it just occurred to me. I mean,
you must have seen his his teaser for the upcoming
summer release that he has of called Disclosure Day.
Speaker 2: I did, I didn't.
Speaker 1: That isn't that amazing? Isn't that such a thrilling, crazy teaser.
Speaker 2: I love that fingers crossed?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I know. So, by the way, this New
Year's Day, three pm. There's going to be another show
released where Jack and I talk about that a little
bit more. So that's coming out on New Year's Day.
I'm not having a regular live show. But yeah, how
many times have you been to Brazil, James? Have you
ever counted?
Speaker 2: It's gotta be somewhere around seven or eight. And I'm
going back again next month for the thirtieth anniversary, So
a lot of times.
Speaker 1: Oh that's right. January in nineteen ninety six is when
it all happened.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And you know, for so I don't know if we
should probably go for the person that is unaware. I
mean a lot of people saw your film, but for
those of you haven't, I think you should do kind
of a nutshell case of what happened in nineteen ninety
six and how the US military all of a sudden
showed up, all these weird stuff happened and the beings,
which I think is quite amazing, and I still feel
very sorry for those poor beings. They just wanted to
go home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I actually just recently sat down with
the girls just a couple of days ago in Brazil,
and one of them, Katya, was reminiscing, and she's like,
you know, when we encountered this, being January nineteen ninety six,
there were three girls, Katya, Valkyria and Liliani. Liliani and
Katya sisters, and then Katya was a friend. She was
twenty one twenty two, And when they came up on
this creature, this strange being, leaning sort of up against
the cinder block wall in a construction site in an
open field, they thought maybe they were walking up on
like a statue. They weren't sure like what it was.
It wasn't really moving, and they got within ten feet
of it, broad daylight, three girls, and one of them
just yelped like ah, like what you know? What is that?
And the creature was sitting sort of sideways up against
the cinder block wall, and it turned its head and
looked them right in the eyes. Well at that point,
I guess curiosity was fully satisfied with Liliani and Katya.
Liliani being the older sister, grabbed her younger sister got
a Valkyria who was fourteen. Liliani was sixteen. Katya, the friend,
was twenty one twenty two, and grabs her little sister
and high tails it out of there, leaving Katya behind.
And Katya was staring at this thing, this being whatever
it was, fixed, eyes fixed, and it was basically communicating
that it was. It was feeble, it was weak, it
was scared, it was vulnerable, It wanted help. And she
was debating on like what to do, And Liliani and
her sister Vulkaria got about one hundred feet away and realized,
oh my gosh, we left Katya behind, and Liliani left
her younger sister of Vulgaria ran back to get Katya
and grabbed her arm and he yanked her out of there.
But Katya is reminiscing just a couple of days ago,
what would have happened had she decided to help this creature?
Would that have been the real life, you know et
Would she have harbored this thing, this creature, this being,
and brought it in side indoors to help it. It
could have had a very different outcome, but they high
telled it out of there. But it was interesting to
hear her reminisce and think, like, how the outcome could
have been quite different had she decided to help the
creature as opposed to run away from it. Nobody felt threatened.
The only reason why they were scared is just because
the unknown factor. Yeah, there we've got on the far left.
That's Valkyria. She was fourteen, her sister Liliani in the middle,
who was sixteen, and then Katya, the one that was
fixated to the creature, was twenty one or twenty two
at the time.
Speaker 1: Now Here is a rendition of what they know. These
will be in the show notes as well if you're
listening to just the audio part of this. But here's
a rendition of an artist's rendition of what they are
claiming that being looked like. And you know what's the
thing about that, James, though, is if that had happened,
you know, very well could have been a situation where
she could have got infected like the soldier you know,
I mean supposedly he got a nick on his arm
or whatever where he might have got infected and died
just two weeks later. They couldn't save him. And I
you know, not anything intentional by the being, but I mean,
that's that could have happened to her if she tried
to protect it.
Speaker 2: So one of the military police officers orchestries leapt out
of the car they were on patrol with the driver
Eric Lopes. That was just a couple of blocks away
a couple of hours later from where the girls came
in contact with this creature and he leapt out of
the car without a moment's hesitation and grabbed it. And
in the process of grabbing it, and it didn't put
up much of a fight. He brought it in the
back of the car. I think he even put on
his lap and in the process he got a little
scratch under his arm from they think from the nail
of the creature, and that bacteria got into his bloodstream
and killed him within a couple of weeks. And we
interviewed the forensic pathologists, the two forensic pathologists, one of
which doctor Romando, who did the autopsy on the deceased
military officer, and then the other one, doctor Janini, who
founded the company IPD and you can look up the
acronym for that, the company, and he was the one
that examined the tissue samples and saw a behavior of
a bacteria that he's never seen before or since on
planet Earth. So that was a huge revelation. The fact
that he was willing to come forward and participate on camera.
No identity reveal, I mean full identity revealed, didn't disguise
himself and talks about rather openly that he never seen
anything like this bacteria ever before.
Speaker 1: And it's it's good that it didn't keep spreading because
you know, that could have been, you know, a plague
for being kind, so you know, luckily it wasn't contagious obviously.
But anyway, that's uh so, as this went on, this
uh well, I know, we're getting kind of convoluted here
about all all of this situation. So let's just talk about,
first of all, the people that saw the craft and
it looked like about the size of a large bus
and it crashed. How far away from the town the
village was of our genia was that?
Speaker 2: So this is the first time in this new cut
of moment of moment of contact, new revelations of alien
encounters where we actually did Google maps and we put
the maps out and we had the various like the
new witness to the craft, Fabio Furtado at his farm,
and proximity to that, to the crash site, proximity to
that to the two farmers that saw the object in distress.
Roughly around two three o'clock in the morning, and it
had their farm animals not made a huge ruckus, they
probably wouldn't have even known it was out there because
it made virtually no sound at all. And it was
the size of a large school slightly bigger than a
large school bus, shape of a cylinder like a cigar,
and it didn't have any control services or wings or
anything like that. And it, according to the witnesses, it
had a tear in the back of it, and it
had a vapor like a blue like a white vapor
smoke coming to the back. Not the kind of smoke
they said that you'd see in a fire. It was different,
and she was expecting it to impact the ground, but
it managed to stay aloft for evidently a few more
hours until the other crash witness, Carlos Sosoza, saw it
impact the ground. And if you look at the Google maps,
which we actually show for the first time, you see, like, okay,
the two farmers that saw it roughly two three o'clock
in the morning, it's here. The town of Virginia is
just over this side. Then in the middle is the
crash site where Carlos Sosoza saw it impact the ground
at Myolini farm. And then you have this new witness,
Fabio Furtado, who saw it at his farm and clearly
in distress. And that was so if you look at
like the Google maps, you know we had sighting here,
crashed here, another sighting here. It all makes sense. And
then Virginia was roughly twelve kilometers away, maybe twenty kilometers
away from the actual impact site as the crow flies.
Speaker 1: Yep, and where was the first time people, Well, before
we leave that conversation, so as far as you know,
as far as they knew, this debris stayed there for
a little while.
Speaker 2: Right, So Carlo Cisosa, who's a geography professor at sal Paolo,
also an ultra light pilot, and he was headed from
sal Paolo very early in the morning up up north
of Virginia. I think it was as a state of
minister ice in Terreys Carsonis was the area that he
was he was headed to. He saw an impact the ground.
He never once thought alien craft UFO. To him, it
was like must have been some sort of experimental government craft.
And he's like, they're gonna need help. I turned off
the freeway and drove up this dirt road on a
farm called the Myolini Farm, and he arrived at the
impact site. He describes seeing like half roughly half of
the cigar shaped craft intact and the other half scattered
over a very large area, bigger than a football field,
of lots of pieces of what he described as sort
of an aluminum foil that had sort of shapes. And
he got out of the car, debris filled again, not
thinking alien, not thinking UFO, never once entered his mind
that it was a UFO, that whatever it was, they
needed help. He got out and he said the smell
was so strong of like ammonia and sulfur, that he
grabbed his T shirt and he put it up and
over his mouth and nose and was just trying to,
you know, block it out. And he said it was
like an acid type like liquid over the grass, burning
the grass area, and the smell was so strong, I mean,
he nearly buckled his knees. And he picked up one
of the pieces again this is according to Carlos Sosoza,
and he said it was extremely light and like a tinfoil,
like you could barely feel it in your hands, and
then he crumpled it up and then it regained its shape,
just like roswell. Yeah, just like Roswell. And this was
nineteen ninety six January nineteen ninety six, and at that
point military trucks arrived from the opposite direction that he
came in. And if you look at the road and
you look at the maps, that dirt road led directly
to the military base as which is where all the operations,
all the military operations started.
Speaker 1: So do you think they saw something on radar, the
local military and that's how they showed up. I heard
it going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard this again when I was just there
from some people that were in discussions with that the
Brazilian military got word from the Americans that there was
an object coming in in and around that area.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I doubt.
Speaker 2: I don't have definitive confirmation on that, but I've heard
that from from a couple of sources now that they
gave him the heads up that it was coming in
and they got there within a few minutes of it
actually impacting the ground.
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? See so quickly?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but these at least two beings, right was it
two beings that they allegedly escaped?
Speaker 2: Well, so there he didn't see Carlo Sisozid saw no
entities and I asked them specifically. I was like, well,
was the intact piece that was remaining. Was it large
enough to contain occupants? And he said, no question, it's
about the halfs the side of a school bus. He
did not see any entities at the crash site, and everyone,
all the researchers Uber or Jada Pacaccini that we spoke to,
they didn't know, like if the occupants ejected somewhere else
earlier or they didn't know. And there's also some confusion
as to exactly how many entities there were, because we
have accounts from Hemanotos Hospital, we have accounts from regional
hospital of entities that were alive. We've heard up to
five entities. We think one was shot by one of
the either the military or the or the fire department.
Because when you're in the fire department or you're a
police officer or you're a radar operator, you're still part
of the Brazilian military, right, So we've heard accounts of
one that was shot, one that was captured with a net,
one that was captured just you know, cowboy style. That
was Marco Cheriz, who died several weeks later. But we
really only focused on two. But we're still looking for testimony.
We've got now for the first time in history, testimony
of what took place in Regional Hospital, which is where
we reported several years ago that the two military police
officers ultimately ended up dropping the creature off at was Regional.
But we also have testimony from a military guy from
as a military base that he picked one up at
least one from Humanotos Hospital, which is not that far
away in the town of Virginia from Regional, but we
don't know. We don't have right now. We don't have
testimony from any doctors sorry, Humanotas Hospital. However, we've got
reports that doctor Roger Lear met with two doctors we
had the name of one of them, we still haven't
gotten to them yet that there was a live creature
at Humanitas as well. But again that's the evidence on
that one. We just don't have the testimony yet. Right now,
we have extremely solid testimony from the head neurosurgeon, doctor
Italo Venturelli from he's the head neurosurgeon at Regional Hospital
for the first time now that he had face to
face communication with it in captivity.
Speaker 1: Well you know what I mean, there's how many witnesses
would you say total, there's got to be dozens and dozens.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know a lot of people saw, like you know,
we interviewed the the TV Princess, the three reporters. We
interviewed all three of them that got wind of what
had happened right after girls had the encounter with the
creature in that particular area, and that was just two
blocks away from where the capture apparently was military blockades.
They were asking questions the military blockade, just a few
blocks away from the girls encountered the creature. We interviewed
those guys. They were asking questions as a military base
because apparently one of them was transported there overnight and
they were told if they asked one more question, they'd
be taking to jail, and they were threatened at gunpoint,
one of them trying to get through the blockade to
go closer to where the girls had allegedly encountered this creature.
And then you've got the three girls that came in
contact with it. You've got other people that had witnessed
some activity from the first capture in the morning with
the fire department where they apparently captured with a net.
Everybody's got a small piece of the puzzle, and when
you start putting it all together with maps, it all
makes all the pieces of the puzzle fit together perfectly.
Although we got some gaps. There were a lot lot
of people. And we actually just interviewed the current mayor
just a few days ago, and the current mayor saw
he had a bakery at the time, and he said
on camera just recently that he would deliver fresh baked
goods to the hospital at Regional Hospital. He saw all
the military activity that day and he couldn't get in
from the main entrance because of all the military activity.
They only would allow him to deliver up through the
back or something like that. And again, it's a lot
of people saw different aspects of the operations. Lots of people,
lots of people.
Speaker 1: The revelation that I was unaware of and maybe was
in your other film about this, but the testimony of
the girl's mother talking about the people in black yeah
showing up. Can you talk a little bit about that.
I don't want to give too many spoilers, but this
is really fascinating.
Speaker 2: So you know, I I'd heard about these men in suits,
these men in dark suits. I like to say men
in dark suits because MiB has got so much baggage
to it, and I'd heard about it dating back to
nineteen fifty with McMinnville Organ with Evelyn Trent and her
husband Paul. Evelyn was home alone when these men, one
man I think it showed up from some unknown government
agency in a suit and rummaged through. She they'd taken
three photographs of a disc at McMinnville Organ in nineteen fifty,
and that was kind of the first time i'd really
heard about the so called men and men in black
men from somenown government agency, and then I'd heard about
it a handful of other times. I heard about it
with Phoenix Lights. I was in touch with the councilwoman
Francis Barwood about a gentleman who loveagely shot video of
the craft as it flew over his house because everyone
was out of the night sky trying to get a
glimpse of the hell Bob comment and I heard about
it pretty credible from her report on it. That I
heard about men in suits showing up. After the nineteen
seventies encounter over TEHRANI ron with General Parvis Chafari, men
in suits showed up from the American government the next
morning and the encounter happened in the middle of the night,
so it wasn't that many hours. And then I heard
about these men in suits showing up at the nineteen
eighty nine early nineteen nineties Belgian UFO wave. Wilfrid de
Brower talked about it. They requested the radar tapes from
the Brazilian sorry, from the Belgian Air Force. They want
an official request to give them copies of those tapes.
They wouldn't do it. There'd be a paper trail. And
then when I got to and a number of other cases,
we can go on all night, but a number of
other cases i'd heard about, I just kind of avoided
really going in on these so called men in black
I don't know, man, I just thought it was a
bridge too far. But then when I got to Brazil
and I interviewed the mother of the two daughters, Lily,
Honey and Valkaria, she was so pure and so honest,
and I just thought, and then she says, yeah, these
men in suits shut up at my door. They were menacing.
They tried to get my they tried to offer us
money to get my daughters to go on TV, saying
they were lying. They didn't see what they said they
saw and that. At that point, I was like, I'm
pretty convinced that these guys exists. I'm gonna report on it.
And I did. I went all in on that on
that time, on that case, which was in nineteen ninety six, Entrey.
Speaker 1: Told them to get out, which she did, all of
money and get out.
Speaker 2: All leave, and they were quite insistent. She was scared.
She said she was scared for her personal safety. Her
husband wasn't home, her daughters were just going to bed,
and they were very menacing, very intimidating. Two of them
said nothing. They had clipboards, took notes. The other one talked.
They had a briefcase with money, offered her a whole
briefcase they could relocate. All they had to do was
go on in the morning news and say their daughters
were lying, and she refused to do that.
Speaker 1: That's so great, That's so great. So I wanted to
just mention out there. I want to thank everyone that
posted questions for James. I'm gonna be getting to some
of those in a little bit. Thank you so much.
I put that out on x I Believe and also
on my YouTube channel, and a bunch of people responded
we'll be talking about that. So the curious thing is
these things, the beings purportedly go to a couple of
different hospitals and then bingo toward the US according to
some reports. And just to think that the craft, I
mean that our United States government would actually come to
you know, to a place like Brazil when something like
this happens. And I know that you and I have
had a conversation. I had Jonathan Wygan on and we
had a conversation about him and a very similar thing.
They just show up right away somehow, they know what's
it's what's going on, and they show up and do
their whatever it is they do, take the bodies, take
the craft, and bring them where. I mean, this is
like a whole different section. What do they call it,
the legacy UFO. I mean, we may never know where
these things get tucked away and under private entities or whatever,
but somewhere. I do believe that these things exist today
and jars are whatever the famildehyde, that these beings are somewhere,
and I mean, we really should know if this is uh,
if this is really happening.
Speaker 2: I uh, I'm really curious. I'm a very curious person.
I ask a lot of questions, And every time I
get the opportunity to ask anybody that I consider would
be in a position to know, I'm like, where are
they sort of the craft where they you know, the
vast majority, or like right Panison Air Force Base, right
Pantis Air Force Base where Patt is an Air Force base.
I feel quite confident. I think some of very few
had said area fifty one, although that would be the
perfect place. But right Pat is like everybody across the
board that I've talked to is like, yeah, I went
to right Pat. But recently I've been talking about like
wanting to know about the bodies. And I didn't say
anything to this particular individual, and this is just a
month or two ago, but this individual will definitely be
in a position to know, certainly by my standards. And
I asked this individual, like where if the bodies were
flown out from Brazil alive, where would they go? And
the individual kind of like pause and and then said
east coast. And that's as far as it's as much
as I'm giving you. So that's about as far as
I've gotten with that answer. Now, the coast, so they
can't be that far from.
Speaker 1: Me, Yeah, Yeah, it's gonna make us all wonder where. Wow.
That's that's really uh, that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I just a little jack here when you talk about
Right pat I'm in this little strummer's not a very
good guitar player, but I'm in a strummers group. And
we strum down in South Carolina in this group, and
there was this older guy there and he says, oh, yeah,
I used to work at Right Patterson in the intelligence
and you know, blah blah blah. Because I told him
I did a show in UFOs and at this point
in my life, I really don't tell everybody. I don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So and he said, oh, I used to hang out,
you know, water Cool with all these guys from you know,
Project Bluebook, you know, years years ago. And then and
then he says, and then yeah, and even after they
were supposedly closed down. I said, what are you talking about?
He said yeah, he said they were still around. He said,
after the nineteen seventy they were still around. Who we
used to talk. So I was like, what, it closed
sixty nine, But those guys are still doing their thing.
Speaker 2: I knew they were because I was getting reports from
people in the seventies, eighties, nineties of these men in
suits showing up investigating, trying to like silence the witness,
threatening people, offering them money, bribing them. So I knew,
Like of course, when the you know, a tip was
revealed on the front page of the New York Times, yeah,
it was cool. I was like, yeah, this is great
to have some level of recognition. But I've known that
the investigations never ended, they just went underground.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I mean it's just another thing. You
don't hear anything about that, you know. I mean, and
you know, something like aro. You know, they claim they
don't have any you know, they don't have enough evidence
or whatever. They they really wanted to get all their
access to all these things. They would and you know,
I mean, I don't know if you heard about this,
but Matt Ford recently was approached by someone from there,
you know, like maybe it was I don't know, maybe
a through AI or something like that, like he would
fit position. But anyway, it was about one of the
things was have you ever worked for any type of
disinformation or anything like that. It was basically spelling out that,
you know, they were looking for people that knew how
to handle disinformation.
Speaker 2: Well, I went into a skiff with the new head
of Arrow, John Kosklowski, and that was probably about exactly
a year ago. Something really litt look. Yeah, I did, yeah,
And I got my little pass and I had to
get a forty eight hour background check and I go
through all the security to get in and they had
like these glass tube like things. I'm going to back
up and show you. They were like it was really cool.
I felt like it was in the Star Trek episode.
They were glass cylindrical like tubes maybe maybe about that
big round went up pretty high, and you walk up
to them and one side opens up and you walk in.
You stand there, that closes and you stand there for
a beat, and then the other one opens and you
go through. Wow. Man, swear this is crazy. Swear on
my life. And then we go inside and I have
to I have to go to a locker and I
got to get rid of my camera, everything electronic on me.
I had to get rid of it locker. But I
asked the individual. I was like, Hey, they're probably gonna
hear this, but I was like, hey, can I is
there a bathroom I can use real quick? Because I
was like, I need to take a picture of this pass,
because no one's gonna believe me. So I went to
the bathroom, took a picture. I have a picture of
the pass that Olivia and it was like escort mandatory
or required or something like that. And then I came
out bathroom, put all my electronics in in a locker.
They probably went through it. And then, you know, just
like in the movies, this kind of vaulted door opened
that up went inside, and I got escorted down this
hallway and there was it was, you know, fairly narrow,
narrow hallway, and there was a door to my left
that was open, and there was a door to my
right that was not open, and he was like wait here.
So I was standing there and I couldn't help myself off.
I just kind of looked over to my left and
I saw a round table meeting. It might have been
oval shaped table, but I honestly, I can't remember for sure.
And there were a handful of maybe four or five people,
a couple of women and like three men, and they're
having a meeting, official looking meeting, and I mean, come on,
I couldn't help myself. I just kind of tuned in
and you know, our brains have this uncanny ability to
filter out any noise and really zero in on exactly
where we want to, you know. So I'm kind of
like trying to pick up on this conversation and you know,
basically spying, I guess. And one of them gets up
quickly at the table, walks over the door quickly and
shuts the door into my face, at which point somebody
from was the AFOSI Office of Special Investigation Air Force
Office of Special Investigation comes up. I know his name,
but I'm not going to reveal it, and takes me
into this office and there was a computer set up,
and it was a computer that had that I I
had interviewed some Intel people that said that a lot
of the high resolution UFO data was on because I
remember going, well, what's what's that platform? You know? The
individual told me and I was like, Oh, my gosh,
that's where I think a lot of the classified stuffs held.
But I'm looking over the computer and then John Klosklowski
comes in, the new head of ARROW, and I I
was just talking to them. I mean, they knew who
I am. I'm not gonna you know. I was talking
about RUA. I was talking about Virginia. I was talking
about Skoro. I was talking about and I said, and
they just sat there quietly listening, two of them, And
I said, you know, what's the plan. When you guys
make the determination based on your investigations, you know, you're
going to come out with the fact that it's a
very small percentage of what we're experiencing here on Earth,
you know, is non human intelligence. I mean, there's no
question about it. Is there a plan to till the public?
And they both sat there quietly. John goes, you know, James,
he goes, I can't part my own hair without approval
from the DoD and you can quote me on that,
which is rather interesting. He's basically like, my hands are tied,
you know. And it was quite revealing. But they never said,
oh no, that those cases don't exist under the crash retreatment. No,
they didn't say anything. They're just very quiet. And that's
what he said.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that reminds me kind of like the FOYA that
you had sent and how they replied back to you. Basically,
we can't deny or you know what I mean. It's
kind of like they're admitting but they can't talk about it.
Speaker 2: We cannot confirm nor deny no, based on some National
Security Act of nineteen forty nine. That's right, Yeah, your request,
and I was just asking for the flight logs of
all planes, but in a particular dates. I think it
was like ten days apart, maybe like January fifteenth or
fourteenth to January thirtieth or twenty eighth, you know, and
and and the CIA responded, was from the CIA, it's
in the film. Yeah, so three years to hear back from.
Speaker 1: Them, right, So overall, how did this skiff come about?
And what do you what did you get out of
the whole thing? What was your You just that is,
hands are tied and you don't think that anything's gonna happen, or.
Speaker 2: They were gonna. Really they were gonna. I can't go
into too much detail because I promised them I wouldn't,
but they were they'd found a particular video that was
of interest in the UFO community, particularly me, and they
were like, oh, we think we found the explanation and
here it is, and this is performing a certain way
because of x y Z. And I looked at it.
I looked at him and I was like, you can't really, no,
that's gonna be a slap in the face. This contradicts
every bit of testimony, particularly from the individual who shot it.
This is absolutely totally inconsistent with the descriptions. With everything else.
You don't do that, don't release this, and I don't
think they ever did.
Speaker 1: That's good. I mean, it's good that they would actually
listen to someone on the outside basically, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Because you know, I don't know, man, you'd like to
think that some of these people want to do the
right thing, but their hands are tied, you know. I mean,
just because you're on the inside, you know, and you
have access all this classified data doesn't make you a
bad person. It's your job, you know. And there's some
people that feel that people you know, like ourselves have
the right to know and uh, but they're you know,
they're sworn to secrecy. So it's it's, uh, you know,
it's like, how do you circumvent that? That's where I'm
at right now in my career, is like, how can
we create a platform, how can we create an environment.
It's like, you don't have to believe Grush. You don't
have to believe Lou, you don't have to believe Hall,
you don't have to believe Eric Davis. But what they're
saying is so extraordinary and so impotentially impactful around the
world that what can we do to create an environment
to allow them to testify? Do we need to like
rattle the cage of our elected officials. I've heard that
it could come from the Senate, the executive branch. How
do we give these guys immunity? How do we allow
them to give the details needed, those classified details needed
to verify their extraordinary claims? And I think that's where
I'm starting to transition into that kind of that kind
of effort is to we've all had it, We've all frustrated.
I get it, you know, we're tired of hearing these
extraordinary claims without providing any evidence. I'm right there with
all of you. And that's I'm kind of transitioning into
that movement more so than anything else, because these people
claim they're willing to testify, they said they would like to.
They just need immunity, right right.
Speaker 1: And you know, I thought that was a very interesting
comic by Eric Davis. How he if he had that,
he would love to be able to talk about everything
that he knows.
Speaker 2: Well, you can imagine, like I mean, one of the
questions I asked him in the movie and you I'm
sure you remember this, but it's like, you know, what
was it like when you got to see photographs of
crash from Fiel? Can you put me there in that space?
I did? Like, forget about the details, you can't give
those to me, But what was it like to see that?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How did it impact your life? How did it make
you feel? Like? Did you look at the world differently
from that point on? Like? You know? And he even
swore up and down, he said, I swear to my
children's lives I saw it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. If you don't do that lightly, you don't know
that lightly at all.
Speaker 2: I would never do I would never do that if
it wasn't the case. Never you imagine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, absolutely So here's a question from the Oracle
fifty five. What is James response to the questions raised
in a recent video by Patrick from Vetted regarding doctor Ataliov?
Surely I can't pronounce the name truely Venturelli, thank you.
Contradictory statements on the Virginia incident from twenty twenty three,
in an interview where he said he only saw the
alien on a video provided by someone else, compared to
the recently where James seems to insinuate that he did
see the being with his own eyes.
Speaker 2: James did or he did?
Speaker 1: He's you know that you are insinuating that he did see.
Now I saw the video, so I saw that he
did say that he did see with his own eyes.
Let's just address that question because there a few people
have asked something similar.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a legitimate question. First of all, he's lied
about it for twenty nine years, twenty eight twenty nine years.
We Marco and I we have a mole that works.
I'm not going to say what hospital that because I've
been going after the video. That's that was my primary
objective since the film came out. The video, the video,
the video, the photographic evidence, were going after the chief
of police, going after any potential doctors, and this particular
mole was telling us you might want to talk to
this person, you might want to go out to this person,
giving us names. So we had pretty good beat on
doctor Etel Eventurelli, who was a current neurologist at Regional
Hospital that he'd seen the video. So if that was
the case, who showed it to him? Who shot it?
Where's the video? Today. So we set up a meeting
and after a lot of effort, Ittelo agreed to meet
with us. And I was on a video zoom call
and this is a little over a year ago, and
I was with Marko Leale not here, this is different
and this is us recently. And I pinned him down
and basically like with Marco Leal, and was like, you know,
did you see this? Do you know about this video?
Did you see the video? Is it true? You know?
And to my absolute amazement, he confessed, well, we weren't
recording this at the time. It was just a video
like a zoom call on. It was a call with
a video call, and I was looking at him, he
was looking at me on the phone, and to my amazement,
he confesses that he saw the videotape and it did exist.
And I believe he went as far as giving us
the name of Marco Venissis, who was a fellow neurosurgeon
who shot the video, who died of a heart attack
in twenty eighteen. And I was like, Okay, where's his wife?
Where is this? Where's you know? And I was fixated
on that. I didn't even think to ask him on
that call, did you actually see the creature because I
was like the video of the video of the video.
So we hang up, and I was just always super
excited because I was like looking forward to going back
to Virginia and seeing if you can't track this video down.
The guy down on a heart attack, so if he
had the video hidden somewhere in his house, it would
probably still be there because he died suddenly of a
heart attack. After the video call, Marco kind of pins
him dow on a little interview at his desk and
was like, well, ask the more questions, did you you
know did you see the creature? And he denied it,
and he denied it on camera, and after that he
had a heart attack. Apparently he was lying in the
ICU staring at the ceiling. I don't know if it
was one month, two month, three months later, and he
was thinking to myself. He was thinking to himself as
he stared at the ceiling at the ICU, like Marco venisis,
I can't take this story to my grave. If I
survived this, I think I'm going to come clean. And
then after he survived the heart attack, he got prostate
cancer and he had surgery for prostate cancer and then
after all that and he was still recovering from the
prostate surgery. I was. We were back in Vargenia, still
trying to pin Etholo down to locate this video. I
didn't really it wasn't really aware of his all of
his health complications at that point. And we were meeting
with the two forensic pathologists, and this is roughly a
year after we interviewed each low and each is being
very evasive because we were kept we were just like video,
video video, We got to get this video. So we're
interviewing doctor Armando, who did the autopsy on the deceased
military officer. We're also interviewing the founder of IPD and
look up the acumen at the come on, it's a IPD.
I don't know what it stands for. But doctor Janini
and we were talking to him about the tissue samples
and they're going on the record, they're going to participate
in the film, and we're filming the whole thing. And
towards the end of filming at the lab IPD Labs,
I said to doctor Armando, Hey, you're very well connected
in the medical community. You're running these hospitals, you run
this lab, You're closely tied to doctor Janini. You did
the autopsy on the cized military officer. Can you get
us in touch? Can you get us back in touch
with each low he's not been returning our calls. So
he picks up the phone and this is just and
this was in January of this year. He picks up
the phone, Boom, gets him on the phone and he
hangs They talk in Portuguese, hangs up and he said
he'll meet you tomorrow morning around the backside the back
entry point into Regional Hospital ten o'clock. We're like, oh, okay,
let's go, you know. And I knew that the creature
was dropped off at Regional Hospital. I was super excited.
I wasn't sure exactly where this was going to what
was going to be said, And we went to the back.
He shows up. He pulls us in the back entry
point Regional Hospital, takes us down these corridors all through
this whole you know, labyrinth, and takes us into about
to take us into the ICU, and he's like, you
got to put this, you know, all this protective gear
or mask, because in order to go to the ICU,
you have to be you know, all this a protective stuff,
and we weren't sure exactly where it was going. And
he initially starts like, this is this is the bed
where I saw the video, and then he says nonchalantly,
and the creature was lying directly in this bed. And
I was kind of confused. I was like, wait a minute,
the video was like the creature and he had just
decided just to go just to expose it all. I
don't even know if he was sure that he was
going to do that when he met with us that morning,
but he was like, not only was the video shot
here and this is where I saw it, but the
creature was lying in this very bed right here, and
he went he just decided, screw it, regardless of the consequences,
I'm coming clean now right here on camera, and he did.
The people running the hospital ended up catching us in
the ICU. We had no permits, we were supposed to
be there. We get kicked out. He's like, I think
I just lost my job.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: We leave the hospital. We don't know where we're going
to go. We have the cameras rolling. We go into
a little cafe next door and we start talking more
details and I'm trying to process. We all are and
you can look on the faces of the audio guy,
the camera guy marco Leal, like we're all shocked. Did
he just say what we thought he said? Did this really?
We sat down at the table and we had cameras rolling,
and I asked him. I was like, you know, after
twenty nine years and now you're coming forward, Like, what
does it feel like? And he's like, I feel like crying,
and he starts to cry, and then the camera pans
back to me and I'm like, I wouldn't be chasing
this down for sixteen years. And I got really emotional
if I didn't think it was true. And he's like,
it's true. You can believe it. It's true. And we've
asked them subsequently since then, multiple times on camera. I
was just with him a couple of days ago in
Brazil and he's like, he's never asked for a single dime.
He wasn't ready to come forward. He had all these
health complications. He decided I'm not taking this to the grave.
I'm telling my family, I'm telling my wife, I'm telling
my son, telling my coworkers this happened. And we're hoping
that his courage will encourage other witnesses from Humanitas's hospital
to come forward, and I know that he's in touch
with a couple of them, so we'll see what happens.
So could he be lying, Yeah, I could be. He's
a pretty damn good liar. He deserves an oscar, but
he's not getting paid a dime. He's still at the
head neurosurgeon at regional Hospital. He says he's willing to
take a public light detect to test with his right
hand on a bible. We has everything to lose and
nothing to gain. So you know, I think it's personally.
I think it's someone and you meet him, you spend
time with him, you look him in the eyes, you
meet his wife, you meet his coworkers. I met all
the people that he's worked with the hospital, and they're like,
we've known him, you know, for all this time. And
why on earth, in his twilight years running the hospital,
still working there, still doing brain surgery, Why on Earth
would he make it up? And he and he says, look, man,
I wasn't ready. I mean it's a big deal. I
mean I'm working on people's brains and they're going to
Oh that's the doctor that that sees has communication with aliensy.
I don't want him anywhere near me. I mean, he's
got everything to lose nothing again. So you know, run
it down, ask him the tough questions and you know,
and it all makes sense.
Speaker 1: And he said there was absolutely no malice. He could
feel no malice from from the being.
Speaker 2: He said it was the most advanced. He said, it
was the most advanced intelligence of anything he's ever seen.
And then despite despite the creature being in captivity, it
had control of the room. And then when he looked
at it in the eyes, it read all of his thoughts.
Speaker 1: He could read everything amazing. And then the US Army
broke in there, disrupted the whole thing and took the
being away.
Speaker 2: He wasn't in the room when the when the military
came in, and he's stepsy, but yeah, he said, the
military came in, grabbed the creature and left and that
was it. He only had contact somewhere between two and
four minutes of face to face contact with the bean
in the in captivity at Regional Hospital.
Speaker 1: And everyone talks about that smell. That's really interesting, Like
he had he did not.
Speaker 2: He said that he couldn't. And here's another interesting weird anomaly.
The girls and everybody that saw the creature either dead
according to military X, or alive in the hot, blazing
sun outside suffering frayed. It was like like greasy and
and and feeble, and and had like an oil excretion
coming out of its skin, and it had smelled and
and it was brown. Well, when it was in the
hospital again, according to doctor Ittolo, its skin was whiter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right all.
Speaker 2: I wasn't afraid and it didn't smell. So I don't
know if that's some sort of mechanism that I don't know,
like a skunk. I really don't know, So it's speculation,
but it was. The girl said it was suffering. It
was a really hot day because January is summertime in Brazil,
a really really hot, really hot day, and then it
was weak, feeble and suffering.
Speaker 1: Someone wants to know, do you think there's any hope
for ever getting that video or pictures? And I'll just
add a little caveat on that, how many people would
actually believe something like that even if they saw it today?
Speaker 2: So for the first time, you know, certainly during my
fifteen sixteen years investigating this case, and definitely Marco as well,
for the first time in the last year two we
have we have a couple of names of either who
shot a photograph or took video. We have another lead
on potential video from the military, and we interviewed the chief,
former chief of police, Pedro Aguuriar, and he told us
on camera that and it's in the film. I believe
it's in the film. It must be in the film.
That there were many photographs and videos taken. There was
some taken by the fire department, by the doctors and
by the military. Now I don't know if there was
video taking it he monitor us hospital. Right now, we
only have a solid lead a video that was taken
at regional hospital, and we've talked up to two doctors
that have confirmed that they saw the video shown to
them by Marcos Venicis who died in twenty eighteen, also
a neurosurgeon of a heart attack.
Speaker 1: So it's possible. It's possible at may surface.
Speaker 2: Well, le'll tell you what, We're not going to find
it if we if we give up looking, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: That's right. So here's a question here that kind of
switches gears a little bit on the WHI which I
have to say, I really enjoyed sitting next to you
when you screened the program out at Contact in the desert.
Was so much fun hearing your commentary as it's going along.
Oh yeah, you know, you're kind of whispering to me
as what you did to put these scenes together as
where you know, when we were sitting together. But yeah,
so this one's on the program and it's about the Calvine.
Speaker 2: Case.
Speaker 1: Having covered the Calvin case in the program, do you
feel the latest evidence justifies a dedicated feature length documentary?
You know, there's just on the Calvin photo. I mean,
I was watching eyes on cinema clips and there's some
really great old photos of UFOs that you just don't
see out there, like the Calvine that made such a
big splash when there's other really good images out there.
But yeah, that made me think about that because also
supposedly someone saw another craft like twenty days later. Did
you ever hear about that as well?
Speaker 2: Len Val Logan was in Europe in the military right
around that time, and I think either picked it up
on radar, or maybe picked it up on radar and
saw it visually, or maybe just radar, and he described
that exact object the same year over Europe. I thought
that was really compelling. But look, we've got whoever was
flying that military jet. I heard it was a Harrier
jump jet that was flying around the object. Because according
to ARIF press officer Craig Lindsay, the diamond shaped craft.
There were I think it was six photographs taken. There's
only one that leaked, and that the jet that was
pretty much the same photograph was like and the jet
is in a different position around the object. Now, whoever's
flying that jet, Let's say they were in their late twenties,
early thirties, right, So let's say even if they were
up to forty, they would be either late sixties or
early seventies now, so I think it would be a
big deal if we I'm sure there's like radar data
connect to that. Maybe they had a gun cam, who knows,
wouldn't it be interesting to hear from that. Now, the
two led you know, the one photographer, the two witnesses.
Those guys vanished and it wasn't until fairly recently that
we had you know, testimony. Again, thank god to David
Clark for yeah, it's a great photograph, right and got
the fence line down below that. David Clark has done
extraordinary research. Him and his any team, Vinnie and everybody else.
We heard from Richard greeb is it Greeve or Grieves
like and there were he always criticized me when I
don't get his name right. I think it's Richard Greaves.
But he's like talks about again the men in black,
you know, when they were working at the hotel and
they're out on a cigarette break and chefs, and the
two witnesses were chefs at that particular hotel, and and
Richard Greaves was on a cigarette break with them. When
the when these men in black rolled up at night
pissing rain, Yes, that's right, and he describes them coming
in why is the fucking goose? Yeah, it was a
great line in the film. But hey, man, if we
can get those witnesses to come forward, really compelling case,
really good case.
Speaker 1: That's that's right. Uh that is Let me just fire
off a couple of others up you go right here,
we're ending you were getting near the end of the show.
But about Bob Begelow's claimed that the uh that they're
walking among among us. Yeah, someone wants to know if
you can expand a little more on that or.
Speaker 2: Well, you know that was My meeting with him was
not too long after my two hour special I know
what I saw aired on the History Channel and I
got I got an email from his assistant. I still
have it, and she said, uh, you know, mister Bigelow
would like to congratulate you on a job well done
with I know what I saw. I was like, mister Bigelow,
is that's the guy I think I you know, did
a google. He was like, oh my god. And long
story short, you know, he agreed to meet with me.
And you know, at that point he'd been working on
ASAP now probably with a contract from the government for
at least two years, possibly three, and he kept that
close to the vest, but he was I think he
met with me more to kind of find out what
my next move were or what I was up to.
He kind of hinted on the fact that he might
want to fund something I was going to do. I
don't think he ever did any intentions of actually doing that,
but uh, he talked about the complications of disclosure. He
talked about he said to me, and I was kind
of naive at that point still I am, I guess,
but he talked about you know. He goes, you know,
you take every every single scandal, iron contra, you know, Clinton,
all these things, you take them all and you multiply
all you put them all together, and you multiply that
by a thousand and that again. I'm just telling you
what he said to me, am I saying, I agree
with it, and that would be the impact. He was like,
you know financial markets, you know, financial institutions, you know
religious institutions. You know, the impact would be so incredible.
And I just thought to myself, you know, I don't
really know if I agree with that. I don't know,
I don't know. I was always more like, I think
it would have a very unifying effect on humanity. Obviously
we'd have to get all over the ontological shock of it.
But to me, I don't know, I didn't necessarily totally.
Speaker 1: Agree with that.
Speaker 2: But he's put a lot of money into it, He's
on think tank, all these intellectual heavyweights within the scientific community.
What do I know? And that's when he said, and
they're walking among us, and I said, I said, uh,
I wasn't even sure to process what you just do?
What you know that? I'm sorry?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: And he goes, I I what do you you know,
what do you mean, he goes, I mean exactly that
they're they're they're walking among us. And so I guess
I kind of compartmentalized that and put it in the
back of my head. I didn't I didn't believe it.
I didn't not believe it. But I was just like,
you know what, this is too crazy. I wasn't even ready.
And as time went on and as I learned more
and learning more even to this day, maybe he's right.
I don't know. It would be kind of funny if
if he was right here we are looking out in
the cosmos, there's life. It's like, it's like right here,
you know, wouldn't that be funny? Would be if that
were true? And like, how would they break the news
to the general bublbic on that one? I don't know, man,
maybe it's true. I talked to the people that I
really believe, you know, and a lot of people. You know,
there was a lot of controversy with the with the
Jason sands Uh testimony, and and and I get it,
you know, believe me, I get it. He said some extreme,
the controversial stuff. But I did extensive research on his background.
I got a hold of his military records. I contacted
all the people that I know and trust in the
in the intelligence agencies. I you know, do we trusted
it does this guy's credentials. I met with people that
were in the skiff with him, and they were like,
you know, not so fast. I can't just quickly dismiss
this guy. He's he is who he says he is.
I contacted his ex wife. I paid her to go
up into the attic and dig through all these boxes
and get all of his photographs of him in the military.
I was one that exposed him, and I did as
much background as I could on the alleged encounter that
took place Every fifty one, and I decided to report
on it, you know, not as fat, but it's like, okay,
I'm going to report on this with the hope that
at some point maybe one of those other witnesses that
could have been with him in that convoy would come forward.
Right And since then I think it was James Clapper
came forward an age of disclosure and James Clapper was like, yeah,
there's a there's an excessive amount of UAP or UFO
activity in and around area fifty one. I thought hmm, okay.
You know, and I'd heard other accounts of a legend encounters,
probably three or four different just completely separate stories of
entities in and around of encounters in and around the base.
So you know, Jason Sands is not It's not as
easy as one might think, like, yeah, he said some
cultural stuff. Did he have memories embedded? Did they somehow
manipulate his memory where he would know if he ever
did come clean on what he did, know that this
crazy shit would come out. I don't know, man, Maybe,
maybe not. But this is an extremely difficult period as
a documentary filmmaker, as a researcher to be in the
UFO or UAP field, because there are such extraordinary claims
like you know, you look at like Bazarre, you look
at Grush, you look at Lou look at how you
look at Eric Davis. These guys are saying these extraordinary things,
but we don't really have any evidence, any significant evidence
to back any of it up. And one could say
it's all controversial. It's very very hard, and I take
this stuff seriously and I don't just want to put
out stuff to get clicks. That's not who I am
as a filmmaker. I do the best I can. Sometimes
I have, you know, a failure in judgment perhaps, But
I'm telling you, despite all of that, Jason Sands is
who he says he was. I had someone who was
in the skiff with him say he revealed classified names
of special access programs that were I got in trouble
just for asking about. Like, the guy knows what he's
talking he was where he says he was. It's like, ah, so,
you know, you put this stuff out there. You know,
you get criticized in the UFO community fair enough, but
I'm not putting it out all that as fact. If
any of it's true, that's huge. But you know, all
it takes is a memory of Congress to watch the film,
get the clearance, grab his ass, take him into a
skift silently, and see what he knows. Right.
Speaker 1: I had Jason on with Darcy ware who they had
this they have this battle, and they were both at
this conference. I said, hey, let's record together, you guys
just hash it out. And I thought it went. I
thought it went pretty well. They kind of shook hands
at the end and kind of, uh, you know, parted
as more friends than anything else.
Speaker 2: So uh, but hey, I told I told Jason because
I was like, look, man, this stuff is coming out
right now. Even if it's true, it's already, you know,
a tough pill to swallow. This encounter with this blue
entity or this guy you know out in the field,
that's already a bridge to uh.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I was like, even if that aspect of it is true,
you have absolutely no evidence to back any of it up.
And it sounds super crazy. It does not enhance your credibility.
If I were you, I'd keep that silent for now
until further stuff comes out. Who knows. And I've also
learned in the in the you know, it's so easy
to quickly dismiss something because it sounds too out there.
I've done it so many times, believe me, I have.
I'm guilty as charged, but I've learned to kind of
suspend judgment, not have that kneesure reaction, and just like
you know, all right, well, and look, you can report
on something, it doesn't mean like you do.
Speaker 1: The best you can, right, I mean, leave it for
the people to make their own judgment. Really, that's what
it's about. So I have to ask one last question here.
You thought, at one time someone according to someone that posted,
you thought that you received some type of telepathic message
from someone at one time in an airport.
Speaker 2: Is that so in an airport?
Speaker 1: Maybe he's got it wrong. Someone was moving a chair
or something like that.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. That was at
the National Press Club in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: Oh oh okay, And you just felt as though you
had a you and so at that time, do you
think it was your imagination? Do you think you really
felt like you got a communication?
Speaker 2: Well, the weird thing is about that. And I don't
even like talking about it because it really discredits me.
I think you know what, No, no, no, no, okay, I'll
talk about it. I'll talk about right, that's fine. You
can make fun of me all you want, okay, because
I don't know what it was. But uh, and I
even funny that was in two thousand and seven. I
had a meeting with what's his name in two thousand
and nine, twenty ten, with Bigelow, and and I didn't
tell Leslie, I didn't tell my sister Kelly, I didn't
tell anybody else at the National Press Club. After the event,
never spoke of it ever, just like it didn't happen,
but I was at the we were at the event
we represented, and then at the end of the presentation,
we opened up the floor for Q and A with
the with the media, and actually we opened up the
floor entirely where people were just like rushing off to
go and meet and interview cameras to whatever particular people
they wanted to meet with. And and I looked at
this individual that was across the room from me. I
don't know how far away. He was, maybe thirty feet,
twenty five feet something like that. I'm looking at him,
I don't know. Something just caught my eye looking at him,
and he had these like really big electric blue eyes.
They were just really like electric is the best way
I can describe it. Like they were like lit up
or something. I don't know. I looked at those eyes
and I was like Jesus Christ. And then he turned
he looked at me, and he was like moving a
chair or he's like I don't know if he was
getting up and leaving or he was moving a chair.
And he turned over and he looked at me and
we locked eyes and like like just just as fast
as you could possibly immediately, you're not from here, and
this individual. In my opinion, I could be crazy. This
individual knew that I that I said that, that I
knew that he knew that I knew that, and he
knew that I knew that he knew that. If that
makes any sense. It's like it was like a quick
mind thing, really instantaneous, Like it wasn't like looking, and
then it came it was like look just like that,
and then it was the end of it. And then
he peeled away and I peeled away. I mean, you
think I would have ran up to him and got
a closer look or something. Nope. Never spoke about it
ever again, and really ever again. And I think I
might have talked about it to Chris Ramsey like years later.
I don't think. I really don't think I talked about
at all because I don't think it enhances my credibility
at all. But it's true I did have that that
with whatever that was, whatever it was. Yeah, I'm not
saying it was an alien. I'm just telling you that
was my experience, right.
Speaker 1: I know there were some things that I've said on
my show that I said up to myself that I'll
never talk about because I've worried about, you know, my credibility.
One was like a poultic ice type of situation, and
you know what I mean. But I had these things happen.
It really did happen at this point in my life
to say, I don't care, you know what I mean.
These things happen and I'm not telling a lie. So
when I'm talking about the story, But as you get older,
you just start realizing you know what matters and what doesn't.
Speaker 2: Really I'm reporting on live aliens walking through a town,
so you know.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right. That's a good point. So what's
next in the James Fox world? Do you have any
irons in the fire or with what you might be
tackling down the road, or you're going to take it
easy for a little while, or what's up?
Speaker 2: Not Unfortunately, I'm not taking it easy right just yet.
I I've got a big announcement coming up soon and
I can't really go much in much more detail about it,
and I'm not trying to be evasive, but it's going
to be. It'll be hopefully it'll be a big event,
and it's soon and I will be putting out a
press release soon.
Speaker 1: All right. So when that happens, why don't you send
me a text so I can get it out there
for you.
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. I appreciate we were talking.
Speaker 1: This is so funny. Is that situation where you had
this disgruntled guy there who would not talk to you,
that threatened you with bullets? You had text me when
that happened. That was I just I just happened to
text you about something you just told me this situation.
You replied back, this guy has a gun and you know,
blah blah blah. I mean that was Do you think
someone did ask a question regarding that? Do you think
there's any way the sisters catcha and all that could
ever contact that guy and try to smooth it over
and get no.
Speaker 2: So I I talked to a security officer just a
couple of days ago, a couple of days ago, a
week ago in Brazil, and he knows Eric Lopes, and
he confirmed that he did have a gun below the
window and that he was going to shoot it if
I if I didn't leave. When I left, he was
going to take it out and he was going to
fire a couple of rounds in the sky first. Yeah,
and and uh, and so that would have done the
trick that you know, you know that's what he said,
and so I, yeah, I just found that out a
week ago. So we suspected he had a cell phone
like kind of above the window, but he had his
arm down below, yeah, the window seal, and we suspected
he had a gun. As it turns out, he did
have a gun but he was going to fire it
in the sky first. He wasn't gonna just shoot me
in the face like he said he was. But yeah,
that would have been that would have been quite something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that you don't you don't want your story
to end that way, James, But yeah, I would hesitate
to go back. Yeah. But anyway, thanks so much. It's
always always so much fun to talk to you, and
we're always looking forward to your great projects that you
put out.
Speaker 2: I'm doing my best. This is tough. This is not easy, man.
We're in weird territory in the UFO phenomenon. It's it's tough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah, there's a there's a
lot going on. So a Moment of Contact New Revelations
of Alien Counters. Check that out. It's on Amazon, and
uh is it anywhere else besides the Amazon?
Speaker 2: So right now, and I think in a couple of days,
we're going to make it available to rent a lot
of board ny that I've got to pay back investors,
and then ultimately I'll make it available for free on
various platforms like I always do. So if you're gonna
if you want to buy it and support what I'm doing, great.
I think it's like fourteen ninety nine, and then I
think next week it'll be available for rent for like,
I don't know, six ninety nine, seventy nine, something like that,
and then eventually and then a couple months later we'll
put it on the various streaming platforms with commercials for
free and get it out there that way. So that's it.
Thank you for having me on. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Thank you it's always a pleasure, and thank you all
for watching, and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.