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<v Speaker 1>Can I get a.

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<v Speaker 2>Check everybody out there and free care and read and free.

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<v Speaker 1>Turtle boy nay Sean, welcome back to the show. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your host DJ.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm your co host Boston Bia.

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<v Speaker 1>Get a ay man right there. Uh, welcome back everybody.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>We're super excited that we have a special guest who

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<v Speaker 1>has been going around uh with herd doing a soft tournament,

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<v Speaker 1>went to one of my favorite places on earth where

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<v Speaker 1>I can really act like myself a kid, Disney World,

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<v Speaker 1>and she has come to help us to watch and

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<v Speaker 1>comment on this amazing film by our friend Hey good

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<v Speaker 1>evening three card three Clerk Monty, and we're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get his YouTube posted up in the chat

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<v Speaker 1>for Richie Microdots. So without further a dizzle part of people,

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<v Speaker 1>don't waste no time putting him hands together for our

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<v Speaker 1>homegirl Nnell.

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<v Speaker 5>Girl, Gay guys, how are.

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<v Speaker 1>You He's run more miles than I'm driving. Baby, there's a.

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<v Speaker 5>Lot of miles on these tires with.

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<v Speaker 1>The cap on. Is there a headband? Do you wear

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<v Speaker 1>a sweatband?

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<v Speaker 5>I wear like a lot of bandanas and scarves when

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<v Speaker 5>I'm trapped, when I'm in Disney World, which I can

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<v Speaker 5>at least every August on business and pleasure. So nice.

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<v Speaker 5>But just the hat tonight.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what's up, man. I mean that could be. That

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<v Speaker 1>could be the sight of another law office of Nan

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<v Speaker 1>Gallager in Orlando, Florida.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, it's gonna happen, right, Oh yeah, I'm I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 5>Florida bar eligible. That is next on my list after Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 5>And no, for your audience, I'm not running for DA

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<v Speaker 5>of Norfolk County.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not. No, I thought you were gonna run against Hank.

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<v Speaker 1>It was gonna be great. Well on the debate stage.

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<v Speaker 5>Have you seen the picture like I think eight and

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<v Speaker 5>posted a little like crappy shoes? Come on, I paid

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<v Speaker 5>half a million dollars. You can't afford a decent pair

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<v Speaker 5>of shoes.

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<v Speaker 6>No.

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<v Speaker 5>I I feel confident if I did run, I would win.

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<v Speaker 5>But no, I'm I have I have my law practice

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<v Speaker 5>of it, and I do believe Norfolk County is redeemable.

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<v Speaker 5>But I can redeem it from the outside by criticizing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's a really that's that's a really good point now,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it certainly is redeemable. There have been many

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<v Speaker 1>many politicians in the past that have been kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like disgusting people who were corrupt and liars and like

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<v Speaker 1>he is, and they're long since gone. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>agree with you. I think that it's only a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of time until someone comes in that's honest. It happened

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<v Speaker 1>in Brooklyn with the whole Luis Garcela think. So if

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<v Speaker 1>it happened in Brooklyn, I don't see why it couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>happen in Norfolk County. It's just takes the right person.

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<v Speaker 1>And that the DA in Brooklyn ended up he ended

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<v Speaker 1>up investigating sort of the cases that the one before

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<v Speaker 1>him prosecuted, cases that were done dishonestly, and they went

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<v Speaker 1>and made up for it. I couldn't happen.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean to the candidate who I think there are

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<v Speaker 5>two that I had heard of that have thrown their

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<v Speaker 5>hats in the ring. They've got to really keep it going.

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<v Speaker 5>Step up this is they've missed opportunities already. But no,

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<v Speaker 5>I'm not going to be one of them. But I

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<v Speaker 5>definitely think with all of these cases that are percolating

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<v Speaker 5>up there, and the intricacies and entanglement of various similar

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<v Speaker 5>and same law enforcement personnel and prosecutors, it's time for

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<v Speaker 5>candidates who are running for prosecutor to really start vocalizing

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<v Speaker 5>their critiques and get out there, start standing out, start

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<v Speaker 5>getting your name out there. Beyond like the very little

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<v Speaker 5>I've seen, maybe there's a lot more going on locally,

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<v Speaker 5>because you know, I'm down here in the metropolitan New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 5>New York area, but they're already behind the eight ball.

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<v Speaker 5>And what we're going to watch tonight is like a

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<v Speaker 5>good example of how, you know, what happens with the

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<v Speaker 5>prosecut heuter when they start messing around with law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 5>how it's all entangled. This is a big job, big

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<v Speaker 5>shoes have to be filled, and it's ripe for a

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<v Speaker 5>dethronement of net Paul Morrissey.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and as this comes out and people become aware

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<v Speaker 1>of it, maybe there are people in Norfolk County who

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<v Speaker 1>who were not aware of these things, who believed him.

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<v Speaker 1>And now we'll maybe we'll read these things and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, maybe this isn't so honest. So with that,

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<v Speaker 1>let me allow me to read this to you and

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<v Speaker 1>then we can get your reaction. This is your your friend,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark Bedrow, we were doing a standout Mori's off. We're

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<v Speaker 1>doing a standout at Morrissey's office three to five on Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>That will be three pm through five pm because we

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<v Speaker 1>don't want Dennis Sweeney up at three am at Hi, Jules,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you? And seriously, how are you? And welcome back?

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<v Speaker 1>So let let me read this and then and then

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<v Speaker 1>let's take you.

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<v Speaker 3>Lit it in so we don't see like your message?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, let me uh, let me go to that

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<v Speaker 1>and see if I can. Let's see if we can.

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<v Speaker 1>How's this? Is that better?

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<v Speaker 4>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>Now you're not sharing?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I am I should be sharing.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's just the three of us on screen.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me see if I can to the stage and

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<v Speaker 1>let me go back here. It seemed maybe when I

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<v Speaker 1>zoom it doesn't like that.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 8>Let me see.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, did that? Is that what happened?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, so just slide it over to.

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<v Speaker 1>The Yeah, which this way?

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<v Speaker 3>That's good?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yep?

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<v Speaker 5>Perfect?

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<v Speaker 1>Better or law let's see. There are fair questions month

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<v Speaker 1>to be raised about the District attorney strongly encouraging retention

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<v Speaker 1>of an expert. I'm skidding them, dude, you're making today

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<v Speaker 1>my throat does not feeling good. Uh, firm retention of

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<v Speaker 1>an expert firm owned by a former MSP member he

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<v Speaker 1>clearly knows well, particular after Trooper Paul's post first trial

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<v Speaker 1>silly report and the obvious fact that Trooper Paul was

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<v Speaker 1>comically unqualified to testify as a credible expert. We now

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<v Speaker 1>know that aperture basically regurgitated falls report through an actual

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<v Speaker 1>credentialed expert and the use of fingerpaint in paraphetical through

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<v Speaker 1>that lens, the DA seeking use of an his MSP's

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<v Speaker 1>friend friend's firm to quote see whether and this is

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<v Speaker 1>in Italica, his guy can provide an opinion that might

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<v Speaker 1>help the DA's case appears odd. Obviously, any retained expert

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<v Speaker 1>is retained with the hope that they will credibly support

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<v Speaker 1>that party's position. But when you factor in that the

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<v Speaker 1>DA pushed an MSP friendly firm to essentially rubber stamp

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<v Speaker 1>a dubious report by a discredited MSP trooper to the

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<v Speaker 1>tune of four hunhundred thousand dollars, think about that. That's

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<v Speaker 1>almost what Hank Brennan was paid for the entirety of

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<v Speaker 1>taxpayer money. It is interesting left unknown did the DA

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<v Speaker 1>personally recommend any other firms and or did his office

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<v Speaker 1>seek other experts for the same subject matter. Take it

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<v Speaker 1>away in Wow.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, hey guys listening. I was telling DJ and Bia

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<v Speaker 5>that I've been traveling back from my business slash vacation today,

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<v Speaker 5>so I didn't see all of this drop, including some

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<v Speaker 5>of the emails that have been released, although I did

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<v Speaker 5>see some of them, which is just comedic delight as

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<v Speaker 5>far as I'm concerned. But I think Mark Betero has

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<v Speaker 5>some great points here, and you know, with the caveat

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<v Speaker 5>that I haven't read everything when an attorney, whether it's

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<v Speaker 5>in a criminal matter or even in a civil matter,

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<v Speaker 5>but let's stick to criminal because that's what this was.

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<v Speaker 5>When a prosecutor puts his finger on the scale and

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<v Speaker 5>tries to influence the direction of a particular expert by

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<v Speaker 5>hand picking them, finding an expert that has Massachusetts State

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<v Speaker 5>Police ties. I don't recall all of the specifics if

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<v Speaker 5>something like that came out in terms of this is

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<v Speaker 5>the individual who was tied to Morrissey and that's how

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<v Speaker 5>they have this connection. But if there was a connection

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<v Speaker 5>between the Massachusetts State Police and Morrissey, and then essentially,

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<v Speaker 5>as Mark is saying here, you pick this firm or

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<v Speaker 5>you strongly recommend this firm as prosecutor for the county

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<v Speaker 5>to try to influence the direction that the decisions and

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<v Speaker 5>opinions are going. That in and of itself presents not only,

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<v Speaker 5>in my opinion, a conflict of interest, it's not also

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<v Speaker 5>an objective opinion coming out of the expert. There is

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<v Speaker 5>confirmation bias that's going to come from appert sure in

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<v Speaker 5>this instance. Beyond that, though, as he had mentioned, there

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<v Speaker 5>seems to have been a desire to quote unquote rubber

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<v Speaker 5>stamp some of the decisions that were issued or offered

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<v Speaker 5>by Trooper Paul, who was a complete joke in Trial

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<v Speaker 5>one point zero. So I think when we came out

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<v Speaker 5>of trial one point zero, and even before it concluded

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<v Speaker 5>in a mistrial, everyone including the prosecution, would agree that

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<v Speaker 5>Trooper Paul fell flat on his face. He not only

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<v Speaker 5>prepared a shoddy report, but he also gave just heinous opinions.

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<v Speaker 5>He was willfully underqualified to issue those opinions. So it

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't surprise me that the decision to change quote unquote

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<v Speaker 5>experts was made for trial two point zero. What a

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<v Speaker 5>prosecutor cannot do is go out and say, let me

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<v Speaker 5>find some other outfit or entity that's more qualified that

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<v Speaker 5>will rubber stamp or bootstrap trooper Paul's shoddy opinions. Oh

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<v Speaker 5>and by the way, I have some type of affinity

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<v Speaker 5>with that particular company aperture that goes into the confirmation

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<v Speaker 5>bias that I was talking about. When you look at

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<v Speaker 5>what Morrissey has done here, it's jerry mandering of the

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<v Speaker 5>expert opinions that have been issued for trial two point zero.

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<v Speaker 5>I have no doubt that when Trial one point oh

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<v Speaker 5>came around, Morrissey probably also did something very similar with

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<v Speaker 5>Ian Wiffin and Jessica Hyde, where they knew the county

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<v Speaker 5>knew that they could never concede that there was a

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<v Speaker 5>Google search at two twenty seven am, so they shopped

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<v Speaker 5>around to find experts who would absolutely dispel that opinion,

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<v Speaker 5>come hell or high water. That's not the way experts

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<v Speaker 5>are selected. Sure, you pick an expert, you say I

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<v Speaker 5>want you. I'm hoping that you review this matter and

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<v Speaker 5>you give me decisions and opinions that favor my position.

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<v Speaker 5>But you don't start with your position and then shop

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<v Speaker 5>around amongst experts for it. It's like putting the cart

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<v Speaker 5>before the horse. A lot of nuance to this DJ

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<v Speaker 5>and beia. But ultimately, if this is something that had

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<v Speaker 5>come out in emails that were released only some of

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<v Speaker 5>which I saw, and the ones I saw just made

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<v Speaker 5>my head spin when I got off the plane today.

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<v Speaker 5>This is showing complete impropriety on the part of Michael Morrissey.

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<v Speaker 5>He is unfit to serve any longer as prosecutor in

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<v Speaker 5>that county. And I dare say anyone who works in

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<v Speaker 5>his office, because I think the last article or video

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<v Speaker 5>I had seen, he's got approximately sixty five assistant DA's

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<v Speaker 5>working for him. I've heard I've heard people say it's

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<v Speaker 5>like one hundred and thirty something, but that's also including

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<v Speaker 5>support staff. If he's got a team of sixty something

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<v Speaker 5>assistant DA's working for him, Beyond Lally and McLaughlin, who

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<v Speaker 5>are problems to be extreme in and of themselves, I

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<v Speaker 5>look at and say everyone else who works in that office,

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<v Speaker 5>who allows Meatball Morrissey to rule with impunity and just omnipotence,

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<v Speaker 1>That was very comprehensive. You I had a question, but

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<v Speaker 1>So we're thinking of you. On a second note, we

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<v Speaker 1>We're probably gonna have a third person and I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>and yours as well. We had a lot of fun

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<v Speaker 1>Hank Edney. As it turns out, Attorney Nan Gallagher is

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<v Speaker 1>uh to to that episode as well, because I think

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, cool, I'm gonna do another one of those. We

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<v Speaker 1>know what we're gonna do on CAB. Additionally, I am

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<v Speaker 1>going to do a rant episode where I want to

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<v Speaker 1>address directly, particularly Trooper Michael Procter, former Trooper Proctor, your Yoribukenich.

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<v Speaker 1>Dever also known as Devera. So don't Kelly, don't call

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, so that's what's coming up, and Nan, can

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<v Speaker 1>you before we're going about to start the micro Dots video, Hey, Boston, Biso,

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<v Speaker 1>Brandy is here. Welcome. Can you real quickly what is

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<v Speaker 1>it if you're a prosecutor, what does it look like

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<v Speaker 1>when you solicit an expert witness. Honestly, can you briefly

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<v Speaker 5>By the way, pardon my dog barking. Okay, my kids

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<v Speaker 5>just got home. But I kind of just did that

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit. So what prosecutor would do is they

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<v Speaker 5>some point you have to do that. You have to say,

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<v Speaker 5>this is how I'm going to defend the or prosecute

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<v Speaker 5>the case. So you say this, you know, we think

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<v Speaker 5>that the car backed up at this many miles per hour,

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<v Speaker 5>going to say that she was intoxicated, et cetera. That's

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<v Speaker 5>what our theory of the case is. And once you

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<v Speaker 5>have your theory of the case, you're then in a

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<v Speaker 5>position where as a prosecutor, you shop around for experts.

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<v Speaker 5>Many times prosecutors will go back in time to experts

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<v Speaker 5>they've used before. For example, Brennan, I guess on the

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<v Speaker 5>very common I use experts whom I like very often,

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<v Speaker 5>to the in fact, I used an expert so often

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<v Speaker 5>I ended up making him my physician, and he delivered

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<v Speaker 5>nice rapport with experts, and you can use them again

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<v Speaker 5>if they're credible and qualified. And then what did what

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<v Speaker 5>the prosecutor would do? And I all candor here, I

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<v Speaker 5>have not served as a district attorney. I did not

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<v Speaker 5>go that route. Some people cut their teeth going that route.

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<v Speaker 5>I know BETTERO did I know? Peter Tregos, the lawyer

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<v Speaker 5>you know, did. But some critical defense attorneys Jackson as well,

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<v Speaker 5>some criminal and Yannetti, but some criminal defense attorneys of

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<v Speaker 5>which I am, don't go that route. You go right

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<v Speaker 5>into private practice. But I will tell you, though, that

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<v Speaker 5>the prosecutor, prosecutor would shop around for an expert who

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<v Speaker 5>offers opinions that fit his or her theory of the case,

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<v Speaker 5>determining that those opinions are independent. They're not getting steered

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<v Speaker 1>That's the key, right, That's the key is that you're

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<v Speaker 1>not They can independently say that that. So it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like it's a kind of a thin line there. You

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<v Speaker 1>want them to come out with your opinion, but you

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to steer them. And I think it's possible

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<v Speaker 1>that Morrisey didn't think anybody else would come up with

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<v Speaker 1>the opinion that did he with aperture that they couldn't

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<v Speaker 5>I agree, and without having the all the these emails

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<v Speaker 5>that have been released in front of me, and I

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<v Speaker 5>promise to all of you, if you'd like me to

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<v Speaker 5>dive into them and come back real soon, I'd be

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<v Speaker 5>happy to. I apologize for traveling and not being prepared

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<v Speaker 5>to do that tonight. But what I will tell you

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<v Speaker 5>is the fact that Morrissey used his private email to

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<v Speaker 5>do a lot of his bidding here, not just for experts,

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<v Speaker 5>but communicating with other attorneys in his office, other attorneys

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<v Speaker 5>outside of his office, other individuals, including law enforcement. I

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<v Speaker 5>saw Tully, I think I saw Tully on one of

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<v Speaker 5>his emails. I think I saw Procter on one of

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<v Speaker 5>his emails. And that's wholly improper. And then you start

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<v Speaker 5>going into the nuance where there was misspellings of names

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<v Speaker 5>to possibly I can't say there's with certainty, but possibly

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<v Speaker 5>an effort to thwart any Foyer requests where you know,

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<v Speaker 5>if Karen is misspelled with an I N instead of

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<v Speaker 5>an E N, then it might not come up on

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<v Speaker 5>a foyer request. So it sure smells bad to me,

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<v Speaker 5>but we'll have to see.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he's a slick character.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the emails he was asking for a million dollars,

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<v Speaker 3>which coincidentally paid for Brennan and welchair. If he got it,

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<v Speaker 3>yeah obviously maybe good.

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<v Speaker 1>Well why do we don't know? Did he get Really

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<v Speaker 1>that's destination.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe that was enough to cover those two bills. That's

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<v Speaker 3>all I'm saying. That that request was enough to cover those.

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<v Speaker 1>And then one hundred dollars to cover his boat slip

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<v Speaker 1>for the entire year out of the cape. So wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's good. Uh nh dude, thank you very much for

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<v Speaker 1>the super chat of ten dollars cab cabs and nan

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<v Speaker 1>Conan's awesome. Thank you very much. Nan always brings people

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<v Speaker 1>love Nan. I mean that that's basically what happens. Some

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, I love you guys, thank you, So I

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<v Speaker 5>tell whenever I can, I tell everybody you. The two

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<v Speaker 5>I've been, since I entered the scene back in January.

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<v Speaker 5>The two of you are. I hold you in a

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<v Speaker 1>You're so thank you, thank you so very much. And

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I keep checking in with your like what

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<v Speaker 1>DJ bugging me for. Man, you're my friend, I'm going

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<v Speaker 5>You keep in touch very well better than I do.

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<v Speaker 5>I will credit you with that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, my friends are my family. So so three

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<v Speaker 1>Clark Monty said, asking for advice years ago from from

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<v Speaker 1>the lawyer who is recently brought on to present represent

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<v Speaker 1>the North North Norfolk County DA's office in matters of

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<v Speaker 1>the US Attorney's office. Interesting, Uh, flesh that out for

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<v Speaker 1>us a little more so that we can so. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>definitely us taxpayers in Massachusetts. It's true. It's just a

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<v Speaker 1>difference of budget. This is something that we spoke about

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<v Speaker 1>that out of your mind. Where that money's coming from.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't tell you where, but I said, there is

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<v Speaker 1>just and there's nothing wrong with it, just recalibrate your

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<v Speaker 1>mind to understand the kinds of people we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>And people did. People saw near the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>we know maybe where that money came from, but it

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<v Speaker 1>as much. She said, a slush fund. So apparently appealing

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<v Speaker 1>to a state representative is a slush fund. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to get on with what Richie has to say,

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<v Speaker 1>Richie's movie, because that's what we're here for. That's what

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<v Speaker 1>going to bring on the main Richie microduct him so talented,

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<v Speaker 1>he is man, he is for real, Okay, got good volume.

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<v Speaker 5>Have you guys met him?

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<v Speaker 1>I have not had the pleasure if anyone who loved

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<v Speaker 8>This was Karen Reid in twenty twenty two, before Alan Jackson,

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<v Speaker 8>before Turtle Boy, and before thousands rallied to her side.

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<v Speaker 8>She stood there with David Jeannetti and her family utterly

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<v Speaker 8>terrified and at the lowest point of the nightmare that

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<v Speaker 8>was just beginning. Wow, But how did this happen? A

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<v Speaker 8>conspiracy involving a family, their friends, local police, state police,

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<v Speaker 8>a DA and their allies doesn't just appear out of nowhere.

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<v Speaker 8>There had to be warning signs. In the following presentation,

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<v Speaker 8>we'll explore the underlying conditions that set the stage for

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<v Speaker 5>How how about that for casting.

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<v Speaker 6>Looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Berger, of the immigrant that was here from we

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<v Speaker 5>Like it ain't no friend.

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<v Speaker 4>Dispatch. This is UNI forty five. Be advised to a

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<v Speaker 4>parent hidden run. We have one male early twenties severely injured.

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<v Speaker 5>It's amazing what he does.

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<v Speaker 8>Exchange student Peter Berger and his friend Peggy Lowe were

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<v Speaker 8>Berger's parents were devastated, his father being quoted as saying

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<v Speaker 8>year old Christopher Albert, accompanied by a lawyer, surrendered at

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<v Speaker 8>the State Police barracks in Foxborough. That lawyer's name was

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<v Speaker 8>Just one of the many murky ties she has to

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<v Speaker 9>Therefore I have a connection to this case, and therefore

423
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<v Speaker 9>I have a bias in.

424
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<v Speaker 8>Favor of Multiple witnesses driving in other vehicles reported seeing

425
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:02.640
<v Speaker 8>Albert's cars speeding, ask them miles before the crash even occurred.

426
00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:06.720
<v Speaker 8>The Albert family's decision to use the high priced, well

427
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:11.160
<v Speaker 8>connected attorney paid off Chris was sentenced to just six

428
00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:14.319
<v Speaker 8>months in prison, managing to avoid the far more severe

429
00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:16.920
<v Speaker 8>penalties that come with causing a fatal crash while under

430
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:19.960
<v Speaker 8>the influence of alcohol, charges that could have landed him

431
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:25.680
<v Speaker 8>behind bars for up to fifteen years. Port records mysteriously vanished,

432
00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:28.440
<v Speaker 8>and he continued to conceal his conviction from the town

433
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:32.400
<v Speaker 8>even as he rose to the position of selectmen, until

434
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:37.440
<v Speaker 8>hiding it was no longer an option. The Albert boys

435
00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:41.359
<v Speaker 8>learned a powerful lesson. When you're in trouble, obscuring the

436
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:46.240
<v Speaker 8>truth can be remarkably effective. This nineteen ninety four incident

437
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:50.039
<v Speaker 8>foreshadows the Karen Read case in two important ways. It

438
00:27:50.119 --> 00:27:54.079
<v Speaker 8>reveals a questionable connection to the judge's family, and it

439
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:56.559
<v Speaker 8>demonstrates that the Alberts have long known how to work

440
00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.759
<v Speaker 8>the system when its time to protect their own. Chris

441
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:03.279
<v Speaker 8>Albert left the scene of an accident without a shred

442
00:28:03.359 --> 00:28:05.440
<v Speaker 8>of concern for the two people he'd just run off

443
00:28:05.440 --> 00:28:08.480
<v Speaker 8>the road. If he had at least reported it, Burger

444
00:28:08.519 --> 00:28:11.680
<v Speaker 8>may have survived, and he needed help.

445
00:28:11.960 --> 00:28:14.440
<v Speaker 10>Someone to make a phone call to nine one one,

446
00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:20.319
<v Speaker 10>even anonymously, And there was only one person in this

447
00:28:20.599 --> 00:28:23.279
<v Speaker 10>entire planet who couldn't help me, couldn't keep him a

448
00:28:23.359 --> 00:28:27.519
<v Speaker 10>chamis stand and that one person who could help him.

449
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:28.759
<v Speaker 1>Help him, help him, help the.

450
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:32.759
<v Speaker 5>Unbelievable, the irony of that.

451
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:36.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so let's uh, that's great, great place to pause

452
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:37.359
<v Speaker 1>right there.

453
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:39.599
<v Speaker 5>So let's uh, oh, sorry to interrupt.

454
00:28:39.720 --> 00:28:43.079
<v Speaker 1>Now, that's perfect. This is a perfect time. So the

455
00:28:43.119 --> 00:28:48.640
<v Speaker 1>two things was records hidden, and there was something I'm

456
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.039
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to get the paper out like bea and

457
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:53.599
<v Speaker 1>write it down. And then there was something just there.

458
00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:56.079
<v Speaker 1>There was something right there that that I just heard.

459
00:28:57.319 --> 00:28:59.880
<v Speaker 1>But go ahead, Nan, please react first and be on.

460
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<v Speaker 6>The not go.

461
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.599
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. So I actually was grabbing a notepad, which I

462
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:08.759
<v Speaker 5>will make sure I take some notes when we're doing this.

463
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:12.920
<v Speaker 5>So what I find so interesting about this thus far

464
00:29:13.119 --> 00:29:19.119
<v Speaker 5>is one, besides Richie's artistry, the fact that there is

465
00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:23.559
<v Speaker 5>this irony that's being used here, whether it's clipping Judge

466
00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:26.799
<v Speaker 5>Canoni to say, and therefore I have a bias.

467
00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:27.480
<v Speaker 11>You know.

468
00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.640
<v Speaker 5>What she was doing was she was articulating that day

469
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:34.559
<v Speaker 5>what the defense argument was. She was kind of recapitulating,

470
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:37.440
<v Speaker 5>but micro dots put it in a way that she's

471
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:41.920
<v Speaker 5>saying it about herself. I loved the casting or however

472
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:44.839
<v Speaker 5>that works in terms of the young Chris Albert because

473
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.079
<v Speaker 5>it looks like a colin his son to me. And

474
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:50.839
<v Speaker 5>then just the imagery in and of itself. But then

475
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:54.319
<v Speaker 5>you go further and think about the irony of the

476
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:58.519
<v Speaker 5>fact that you have an accident. It was fatal, it

477
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:02.319
<v Speaker 5>involved alcohol. It was nineteen ninety four. I won't tell

478
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.720
<v Speaker 5>all of you what I was doing in nineteen ninety four,

479
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:11.599
<v Speaker 5>but it was nineteen ninety four. So now think about it.

480
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:16.359
<v Speaker 5>We now have more sophisticated measures, more ways and modalities

481
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:22.680
<v Speaker 5>of assessing alcohol related accidents and intoxication, and all of

482
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.359
<v Speaker 5>the breathalyzers and alco tests that are out there, and

483
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:32.480
<v Speaker 5>look what should have happened, and some of which did happen,

484
00:30:32.599 --> 00:30:36.240
<v Speaker 5>But what could have happened to Chris Albert back in

485
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:40.000
<v Speaker 5>ninety four, And then fast forward to two thousand and

486
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:45.279
<v Speaker 5>twenty three when the actual was it the trial, well,

487
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:49.519
<v Speaker 5>the pre trial stuff for Trial one point zero really

488
00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:54.880
<v Speaker 5>kicked up, mostly in twenty twenty three against Karen Reid.

489
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:57.759
<v Speaker 5>And look at all of that the Commonwealth threw at her.

490
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:03.079
<v Speaker 5>And then the way Richie uses the verbiage of Brennan

491
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:04.039
<v Speaker 5>to kind of say and.

492
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Only thank you, thank you Nan for reminding me of that.

493
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:08.759
<v Speaker 1>That's what it was.

494
00:31:08.799 --> 00:31:13.000
<v Speaker 5>He uses, Yeah, you're going to get like I was.

495
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:16.480
<v Speaker 5>I was. One of my majors was English literature. So

496
00:31:16.680 --> 00:31:20.920
<v Speaker 5>I am going to relish in the irony in all

497
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:22.880
<v Speaker 5>of this, which is.

498
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Fine as long as you don't put relish on hot dogs,

499
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:28.640
<v Speaker 1>because I'm opposed to sweet relish on hot dogs.

500
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:29.559
<v Speaker 5>I am too.

501
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:30.759
<v Speaker 1>Okay, thank you.

502
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:33.799
<v Speaker 5>So we're at a chick dog from time to time though,

503
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:35.359
<v Speaker 5>what chili dog?

504
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:35.759
<v Speaker 6>Ah?

505
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, But before we get to Boston Be,

506
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:42.599
<v Speaker 1>I want to say thank you, love a Romi with cheese,

507
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:45.440
<v Speaker 1>thank you for chatting with me on Twitter day, thank

508
00:31:45.440 --> 00:31:49.079
<v Speaker 1>you for being a member for five months. Appreciate it

509
00:31:49.079 --> 00:31:52.480
<v Speaker 1>that you've been a member for five months ago, and

510
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:55.119
<v Speaker 1>thank you just thank you for being here, and anything

511
00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:56.559
<v Speaker 1>you guys want to add. We're not going to take

512
00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 1>calls night, but we are going to take your comments,

513
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:02.400
<v Speaker 1>will put them up on screen and will comment about them.

514
00:32:02.559 --> 00:32:05.240
<v Speaker 1>And with that, Boston bea well.

515
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.559
<v Speaker 3>Yes, the irony of you know, them going so hard

516
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:13.640
<v Speaker 3>on Karen when you know there's a list that went

517
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.960
<v Speaker 3>around on you on X of all the app you

518
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.799
<v Speaker 3>know Helene has had accidents, you know, even as far

519
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:25.200
<v Speaker 3>as Jim the Clerk has had accidents, like the irony

520
00:32:25.240 --> 00:32:27.839
<v Speaker 3>of all these people that are going so hard that

521
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:30.640
<v Speaker 3>we're going so hard on Karen are the ones who

522
00:32:30.720 --> 00:32:34.799
<v Speaker 3>actually have done these things. And Karen is completely innocent,

523
00:32:35.559 --> 00:32:41.240
<v Speaker 3>and you know she gets, you know, the the craziest

524
00:32:42.240 --> 00:32:46.480
<v Speaker 3>like they just went after her with such I don't know,

525
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:51.039
<v Speaker 3>with such power, but luckily she was she was she

526
00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:55.880
<v Speaker 3>was able to fight them off, and you know she's, yeah, well, you.

527
00:32:55.839 --> 00:32:58.519
<v Speaker 5>Know what's interesting to me about that? Like and and

528
00:32:58.680 --> 00:33:03.480
<v Speaker 5>Microdots says it towards very beginning of this I'm calling

529
00:33:03.519 --> 00:33:05.440
<v Speaker 5>it a video if you guys want to call it

530
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:07.920
<v Speaker 5>a movie or a vignette, but in the beginning of

531
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:13.160
<v Speaker 5>this this video, he says that the Alberts learned very

532
00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:18.039
<v Speaker 5>early on that there's like they can just skirt the

533
00:33:18.160 --> 00:33:22.880
<v Speaker 5>truth there, you make an end run around what really happened,

534
00:33:22.920 --> 00:33:26.359
<v Speaker 5>and you get away with it. Yes, and that's gonna

535
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:30.160
<v Speaker 5>that theme is going to carry itself throughout this throughout

536
00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:34.480
<v Speaker 5>this video. It's just it's it's perfectly done.

537
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:37.400
<v Speaker 1>And for me, I'm going to say that Nan and

538
00:33:37.519 --> 00:33:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Beia have already covered my points, so I don't have

539
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:44.119
<v Speaker 1>anything to rage on this one. But I will say

540
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:48.039
<v Speaker 1>I believe the other aspect of Helena Rafferties. I believe

541
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>she hit a bicyclist, is that it was an older gentleman.

542
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.160
<v Speaker 1>She did not report it, I think is what the

543
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:57.440
<v Speaker 1>issue was. She didn't report it, which again it's a

544
00:33:57.480 --> 00:34:01.319
<v Speaker 1>theme with Tim Albert and Chris Albert. It's not reporting it.

545
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:05.279
<v Speaker 1>When you do something wrong, you self report. Let's move on.

546
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Let's go on with the.

547
00:34:06.119 --> 00:34:15.159
<v Speaker 11>Movie concerning Tim Albert and this issue or the investigation

548
00:34:15.360 --> 00:34:17.239
<v Speaker 11>where charges were brought against Tim Albert.

549
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:20.039
<v Speaker 7>So there was a call for a motor vehicle crash

550
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:36.800
<v Speaker 7>at the corner of Deniman Washington Street, and the suspect

551
00:34:36.880 --> 00:34:39.840
<v Speaker 7>vehicle had fled the scene.

552
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.440
<v Speaker 5>We'll hit a car, yes, with the woman in it,

553
00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:51.960
<v Speaker 5>oh led the scene.

554
00:34:52.280 --> 00:34:56.480
<v Speaker 7>Followed the oil spill of the vehicle down Denham Street,

555
00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:59.800
<v Speaker 7>up set the Crest all the way down to the

556
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:03.239
<v Speaker 7>intersection of Cedar Crest to Fairview, and the oils bill

557
00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:06.119
<v Speaker 7>actually drove into thirty four Fairvue.

558
00:35:06.159 --> 00:35:09.000
<v Speaker 11>Then you find him trying to hide out at.

559
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:11.360
<v Speaker 1>Thirty four Fairum, did you give.

560
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:11.519
<v Speaker 12>Him a.

561
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:14.000
<v Speaker 11>Breathalyzer?

562
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:17.320
<v Speaker 2>I did not, So you've been involved an investigation where

563
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:20.800
<v Speaker 2>charges were actually taken out against member of the Albert.

564
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:23.159
<v Speaker 13>Fan We had to take our charges against Tim Albert.

565
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:29.119
<v Speaker 14>The evidence in that case, you would agree with me,

566
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:31.599
<v Speaker 14>was strong against Tim Albert for that crime.

567
00:35:31.719 --> 00:35:34.519
<v Speaker 1>Was it not for leaving the scene? Yes, he didn't

568
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:35.239
<v Speaker 1>have much choice.

569
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 11>I mean, there you have the evidence, he's right in

570
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:38.000
<v Speaker 11>front of it.

571
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:39.199
<v Speaker 15>You can't really cover that one.

572
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:39.440
<v Speaker 10>Up, right.

573
00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:42.360
<v Speaker 8>The second time an Albert brother created a mess that

574
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:44.880
<v Speaker 8>had to be cleaned up. This time it was the

575
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:49.000
<v Speaker 8>youngest Tim, and just like his older brother Chris, Tim's

576
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.039
<v Speaker 8>first instinct was to flee the scene, showing absolutely no

577
00:35:52.159 --> 00:35:55.480
<v Speaker 8>concern for the person he had just harmed. Officer Michael

578
00:35:55.559 --> 00:35:57.840
<v Speaker 8>Lank didn't seem interested in finding out if he had

579
00:35:57.840 --> 00:36:00.960
<v Speaker 8>been drinking. He probably didn't want to know. A clear

580
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.599
<v Speaker 8>pattern is emerging in how the Alberts respond when they're

581
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.199
<v Speaker 8>at risk of being implicated in a crime, and how

582
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:09.119
<v Speaker 8>in turn they are treated by local law enforcement. But

583
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:12.960
<v Speaker 8>the leniency Michael Lank showed Tim Albert, charging him with

584
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:16.400
<v Speaker 8>a misdemeanor that was eventually dismissed instead of the more

585
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:18.760
<v Speaker 8>serious charge of leaving the scene of an accident with

586
00:36:18.800 --> 00:36:24.519
<v Speaker 8>a possible DUI still wasn't enough for Brian. During Michael

587
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:28.039
<v Speaker 8>Lank's vadir in the first trial, Judge Canons said something

588
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:31.559
<v Speaker 8>very interesting that most people missed, revealing what happens to

589
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:33.960
<v Speaker 8>you if you arrest An Albert.

590
00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:38.039
<v Speaker 16>The Commonwealth can then get into the animosity between.

591
00:36:39.119 --> 00:36:42.639
<v Speaker 5>The witness, Sergeant Lank In Brian Albert. Because of the

592
00:36:42.760 --> 00:36:44.360
<v Speaker 5>arrest of Tim Albert.

593
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:47.320
<v Speaker 8>The Commonwealth never did get into that animosity, likely because

594
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:50.239
<v Speaker 8>it would have revealed Brian's well known fiery temper and

595
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:53.800
<v Speaker 8>willingness to bully the local police, hurting the state's case

596
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:56.920
<v Speaker 8>more than helping it. It's important to remember that Tim

597
00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:00.519
<v Speaker 8>Albert's arrest happened in two thousand and nine, same year

598
00:37:00.559 --> 00:37:03.880
<v Speaker 8>Brian Albert led the high profile arrest of the Craigslist killer.

599
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:10.039
<v Speaker 17>This was a brutal, vicious crime, savage, and it shows

600
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:13.320
<v Speaker 17>that Philip Markoff is a man who's willing to take

601
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.639
<v Speaker 17>advantage of women to hurt them, to beat them, to

602
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.639
<v Speaker 17>rob them. Police say they found a semi automatic weapon,

603
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:22.639
<v Speaker 17>duct tape, and plastic restraints in Markoff's apartment.

604
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:26.679
<v Speaker 8>Brian wielded serious power within law enforcement, along with a

605
00:37:26.719 --> 00:37:29.639
<v Speaker 8>reputation for being aggressive, and it seems he wasn't afraid

606
00:37:29.639 --> 00:37:31.079
<v Speaker 8>to use it to protect his family.

607
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:34.559
<v Speaker 10>He didn't have a good reputation among fellow police officers,

608
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.960
<v Speaker 10>known as a bully, had a history of soccer punching officers.

609
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:40.920
<v Speaker 6>He was investigated by VPD for violent conduct.

610
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:42.719
<v Speaker 8>He had a propensity for violence.

611
00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:50.880
<v Speaker 14>With respect to Brian, how would you describe your relationship

612
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:52.719
<v Speaker 14>with him?

613
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:55.800
<v Speaker 4>Again? Civil?

614
00:37:57.920 --> 00:38:00.000
<v Speaker 8>But two are your friends?

615
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.079
<v Speaker 1>Could you repeat that questions?

616
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<v Speaker 8>No, Officer Lank got the message loud and clear. You

617
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:10.239
<v Speaker 8>don't arrest in Albert no matter the circumstances, or there

618
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:14.079
<v Speaker 8>will be consequences, even if they hurt an innocent civilian

619
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.679
<v Speaker 8>and the trail of evidence leads straight to their home.

620
00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:22.760
<v Speaker 8>That warning lightly echoed through the entire department, and it

621
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:26.000
<v Speaker 8>was almost certainly weighing on Lank's mind as he approached

622
00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:28.840
<v Speaker 8>the door of thirty four Fairview on the morning John's

623
00:38:28.880 --> 00:38:29.639
<v Speaker 8>body was found.

624
00:38:36.119 --> 00:38:38.119
<v Speaker 1>He was the very first officer.

625
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:40.559
<v Speaker 11>He never should have walked in that front door. He

626
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:43.280
<v Speaker 11>should have said to supervisors.

627
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:44.760
<v Speaker 15>I have a relationship with the Albert family.

628
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:46.159
<v Speaker 2>I've known them my whole life.

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<v Speaker 11>I'm probably not the right person to make the decisions

630
00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:51.199
<v Speaker 11>about this investigation.

631
00:38:52.239 --> 00:38:52.480
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

632
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:56.440
<v Speaker 8>In fact, officer Lank seemed so afraid of Brian, especially

633
00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:59.599
<v Speaker 8>after being reprimanded for arresting his brother, that he didn't

634
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:02.480
<v Speaker 8>even to print Brian's full name in the police report.

635
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:04.000
<v Speaker 8>After John's death.

636
00:39:04.480 --> 00:39:08.760
<v Speaker 2>All of the persons involved listed in your police report.

637
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<v Speaker 2>Everybody's first name and last name was completely spelled out,

638
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:15.360
<v Speaker 2>except for one who.

639
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<v Speaker 7>Was that Brian Albert. Those names were edited by detective Sergeant.

640
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<v Speaker 14>Leg Did you omit Brian Albert's first name to mask

641
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:30.159
<v Speaker 14>the fact.

642
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<v Speaker 1>That he was involved?

643
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<v Speaker 8>I put forward this idea that, in the years leading

644
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<v Speaker 8>up to John O'Keefe's death, arresting Brian Albert in the

645
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:49.880
<v Speaker 8>town he grew up would have been virtually impossible. His

646
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.920
<v Speaker 8>standing as a high ranking Boston police officer, his reputation

647
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.239
<v Speaker 8>for violence, and his close family ties to the local

648
00:39:55.280 --> 00:40:01.079
<v Speaker 8>force created an atmosphere of untouchability. No one in that

649
00:40:01.119 --> 00:40:02.840
<v Speaker 8>department was going to be the one to put cuffs

650
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:07.400
<v Speaker 8>on him, not without risking their career, their safety, or worse.

651
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:12.960
<v Speaker 8>Who would have been man enough to actually do it.

652
00:40:14.400 --> 00:40:18.239
<v Speaker 8>Not Michael Lank, not Seawan good Stephen, Seraph Paul Gallagher,

653
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:24.039
<v Speaker 8>and certainly not Chief Berkowitz. Perhaps Officer Kelly dever At

654
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<v Speaker 8>least until she convinced herself that she imagined the whole thing.

655
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:35.039
<v Speaker 8>Evidence can vanish, relationships can be concealed, witnesses can be silenced,

656
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:38.559
<v Speaker 8>lies can be manufactured, jurors can be removed, and judges

657
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:46.400
<v Speaker 8>can choose to look away. The truth is, it seems

658
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:50.800
<v Speaker 8>nothing could get Brian Albert or his home investigated in

659
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:53.960
<v Speaker 8>that town, not even the murder of a lower ranking

660
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:54.760
<v Speaker 8>Boston cop.

661
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:07.880
<v Speaker 1>Wow, get away, Nan and bea bia.

662
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<v Speaker 5>Do you want to go first? Mine's quick.

663
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:15.159
<v Speaker 3>I really love how Jackson said you can't cover that

664
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<v Speaker 3>one out. I thought that was a nice little dig

665
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:24.320
<v Speaker 3>right there. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's I like that.

666
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:25.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

667
00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:27.880
<v Speaker 3>But I mean it just shows the connections, how all

668
00:41:27.960 --> 00:41:34.280
<v Speaker 3>these all these people have connections to the judge, to

669
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:40.920
<v Speaker 3>the District Attorney's office, the MSP. Like, it's just I

670
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:44.400
<v Speaker 3>mean this, I mean, I think the tide is starting

671
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:47.400
<v Speaker 3>to change. But it's crazy when you see all the

672
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:50.760
<v Speaker 3>connections just put in front of you, of all the

673
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.440
<v Speaker 3>people that know each other, and how they all work

674
00:41:53.559 --> 00:41:56.280
<v Speaker 3>together to make things and let people get away with

675
00:41:56.320 --> 00:41:59.199
<v Speaker 3>things that they shouldn't at no cost because they don't

676
00:41:59.239 --> 00:42:02.320
<v Speaker 3>seem to care if they lose their jobs or because

677
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:04.280
<v Speaker 3>they think they're untouchable, right.

678
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:11.559
<v Speaker 5>And it's so interesting because people, and I'm sure we'll

679
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:15.679
<v Speaker 5>be discussing this, but everyone who has been kind of

680
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.800
<v Speaker 5>anti free Karen Reid has said, there's no way this

681
00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:22.400
<v Speaker 5>could have been a conspiracy. It would have involved too

682
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:26.000
<v Speaker 5>many people. And even Brian Albert had said that and

683
00:42:26.719 --> 00:42:30.800
<v Speaker 5>along the way, and most recently in a televised interview

684
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:36.679
<v Speaker 5>he did after the trial. But this video is so

685
00:42:37.000 --> 00:42:41.039
<v Speaker 5>good at showing all of that interconnectedness that you're talking

686
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:45.599
<v Speaker 5>about and makes it in a very real way, very

687
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 5>persuasive way, very understandable as to what the backdrop was

688
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:57.840
<v Speaker 5>and is here he microdots is saying because of Brian

689
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:03.480
<v Speaker 5>Albert's standing in the community, his reputation for violence, he

690
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:07.679
<v Speaker 5>was untouchable. And then you start going into we talked

691
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:11.559
<v Speaker 5>about Chris Albert's accident, and then that's ninety four. I

692
00:43:11.599 --> 00:43:15.000
<v Speaker 5>guess it's two thousand and nine. You've got the youngest,

693
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:18.280
<v Speaker 5>Tim Albert's accident, which was like you were saying, well,

694
00:43:18.280 --> 00:43:20.719
<v Speaker 5>you can't really cover this one up because he left

695
00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.239
<v Speaker 5>the scene. I guess there was some type of either

696
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:25.280
<v Speaker 5>oil spill.

697
00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:28.199
<v Speaker 1>Or elegant Yeah, road right, they could follow it right

698
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:29.880
<v Speaker 1>from the scenes in the house either.

699
00:43:30.239 --> 00:43:34.840
<v Speaker 5>Talk about leaving breadcrumbs. What an idiot, But anyway, you know,

700
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:38.840
<v Speaker 5>so that was also the year that you have Brian

701
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:43.159
<v Speaker 5>Albert rising to some additional level of prominence with the

702
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:47.039
<v Speaker 5>Craigslist killer. I look at these things in and the

703
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:52.480
<v Speaker 5>environment of that community, and I say, these these brothers

704
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:56.679
<v Speaker 5>are it's a pattern. It's a repeated pattern that they're

705
00:43:57.039 --> 00:44:01.280
<v Speaker 5>they're creating. It's just fomenting. It's repeating itself. And unless

706
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:05.079
<v Speaker 5>the cycle gets broken, it's just going to keep happening, happening, happening.

707
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:10.800
<v Speaker 5>And then the issue with length and Brian Albert, now

708
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:17.360
<v Speaker 5>we start getting into the underpinnings for why why were

709
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:24.199
<v Speaker 5>people either not coming forward or remaining silent because they

710
00:44:24.280 --> 00:44:28.360
<v Speaker 5>didn't want to either get retribution from Brian Albert or

711
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:34.079
<v Speaker 5>anyone else, or they didn't want any type of problem,

712
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:36.320
<v Speaker 5>Like whatever it is, we don't want any problem. I'm

713
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.519
<v Speaker 5>just going to stay quiet. And now I love how

714
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:41.760
<v Speaker 5>this video is going to kind of start to weave

715
00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:47.480
<v Speaker 5>into people who like dev like, all right, she came forward,

716
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:52.239
<v Speaker 5>told her her truth to the FBI, and now it's

717
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.440
<v Speaker 5>some type of distorted memory or a false memory or

718
00:44:55.519 --> 00:44:59.679
<v Speaker 5>false impression after the fact and then and I don't

719
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 5>want to put the car before the horse, but you're

720
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:05.239
<v Speaker 5>gonna start to see a pattern of that. So this

721
00:45:05.320 --> 00:45:08.639
<v Speaker 5>is it's masterful. The last note I had here though,

722
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:16.440
<v Speaker 5>in terms of the preparation of the report for I

723
00:45:16.440 --> 00:45:22.239
<v Speaker 5>guess it's on John O'Keeffe's accident. Accident. It just says

724
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:26.599
<v Speaker 5>b Albert and that was in my opinion it always

725
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:29.159
<v Speaker 5>has been, and it seems to be micro dots as

726
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:31.880
<v Speaker 5>well that that was quite intentionally done. And if my

727
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:36.360
<v Speaker 5>memory serves correctly, I also think there was some or

728
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:42.119
<v Speaker 5>more than some reports that had thirty two fairview on

729
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:46.519
<v Speaker 5>instead of thirty four fairview. There's no way this many

730
00:45:46.840 --> 00:45:51.480
<v Speaker 5>little oversights is just innocent. There had to have been

731
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:56.480
<v Speaker 5>some type of intent to just hide the information from

732
00:45:56.559 --> 00:46:01.599
<v Speaker 5>either Foyer requests or drawing any attack to the Albert family.

733
00:46:02.639 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 1>Clear evidence right there of it of screwing up the

734
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:08.800
<v Speaker 1>address that that they all knew was the freaking address

735
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:11.599
<v Speaker 1>and they should have shown up. That was when the

736
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:14.360
<v Speaker 1>responding that was for responding officers, I think when they

737
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:18.519
<v Speaker 1>were called from nine to one one. First I want

738
00:46:18.639 --> 00:46:23.119
<v Speaker 1>to welcome back and then no, Stan Alban of Ken

739
00:46:23.719 --> 00:46:29.280
<v Speaker 1>Away from Nottingham, England. Hello, Ken, welcome back.

740
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.079
<v Speaker 12>I heard you had a bit of surgery, made good

741
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:35.440
<v Speaker 12>surgery in your head. I'm glad you're feeling better and

742
00:46:35.559 --> 00:46:39.960
<v Speaker 12>welcome back to the cob. My comments are this Brian,

743
00:46:41.719 --> 00:46:44.760
<v Speaker 12>So I do have something for Brian this time. I

744
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:47.960
<v Speaker 12>know that you think that we're all stupid and you

745
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:51.440
<v Speaker 12>think you're really smart because you're the guy and we're

746
00:46:51.480 --> 00:46:54.000
<v Speaker 12>a bunch of simps that are really stupid. And then, oh,

747
00:46:54.039 --> 00:46:57.360
<v Speaker 12>I didn't take fifty people for conspiracy here.

748
00:46:58.239 --> 00:47:01.440
<v Speaker 1>No, it doesn't take fifty people, and it doesn't take

749
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:07.119
<v Speaker 1>fifty because there's something called plausible deniability. Dumbass, you don't

750
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:10.639
<v Speaker 1>go and tell Katie McLaughlin the entire story of what

751
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:14.599
<v Speaker 1>the fuck happened inside the house, right or the other

752
00:47:14.679 --> 00:47:19.519
<v Speaker 1>firemen right or dever, you don't have them, you know,

753
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:22.599
<v Speaker 1>give them the narrative from when he arrived and knocked

754
00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:25.360
<v Speaker 1>on the fucking door to when he was put out

755
00:47:25.400 --> 00:47:28.039
<v Speaker 1>on the lawn. They all they need to know, and

756
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:30.880
<v Speaker 1>all that Lally needs to know is what he has

757
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:34.360
<v Speaker 1>to do to play his role. So we're not dumb

758
00:47:34.679 --> 00:47:37.960
<v Speaker 1>and we understand how conspiracy happens. The people that know

759
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:45.840
<v Speaker 1>what happened. Are the other evil, soulless, psychotic psychopaths that

760
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:50.000
<v Speaker 1>were inside the house with you. The other people don't

761
00:47:50.039 --> 00:47:53.679
<v Speaker 1>know what happened. They just know that they don't need

762
00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:59.159
<v Speaker 1>to know. That's right, and that plausible deniability means you

763
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:03.880
<v Speaker 1>don't tell any buddy something they don't need to know. Therefore,

764
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:08.559
<v Speaker 1>if somehow they are interrogated or the FBI speaks to them,

765
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:12.159
<v Speaker 1>they don't know the information to give them. They just

766
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:14.719
<v Speaker 1>know I did it, I did it, I did it.

767
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.440
<v Speaker 1>And even dumb ass Lally it was I did it.

768
00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:19.280
<v Speaker 1>I did it. I did it. I did it.

769
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:25.880
<v Speaker 18>And then the other lady McLaughlin who says, oh, yeah,

770
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:29.559
<v Speaker 18>let's see Caitlyn out, I went to high school with

771
00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:31.559
<v Speaker 18>a girl six months ago.

772
00:48:31.599 --> 00:48:34.239
<v Speaker 1>You were standing next to her in a photo. But

773
00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:38.119
<v Speaker 1>you also think that we're all stupid. Yep, let's get

774
00:48:38.159 --> 00:48:40.719
<v Speaker 1>back to the video. My god, I'm going.

775
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:44.320
<v Speaker 5>I loved that. I loved that. You're so right.

776
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:48.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they think we're all dumb and we don't understand

777
00:48:48.159 --> 00:48:51.119
<v Speaker 1>plausible and i ability. We're so simple and we can't

778
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:54.679
<v Speaker 1>figure it out that for that matter, Morrisey probably doesn't

779
00:48:54.679 --> 00:48:57.679
<v Speaker 1>even know what happened, and you wouldn't tell him beyond

780
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:03.840
<v Speaker 1>let's say Brian, Brian Jen perhaps Sarah, perhaps the other

781
00:49:03.960 --> 00:49:08.280
<v Speaker 1>dumb ass that was in there that was uh what was.

782
00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:09.679
<v Speaker 5>Her name, Julie Nagel?

783
00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:13.000
<v Speaker 1>No, yes, her and the other woman who went that

784
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:17.360
<v Speaker 1>night who drove excuse me, the morning of drove with

785
00:49:17.480 --> 00:49:21.519
<v Speaker 1>them to thirty four. Fairly what's that woman's name? Thank you,

786
00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:24.719
<v Speaker 1>Carrie Robbins. All right, let's let's go on here before

787
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:28.840
<v Speaker 1>I just continued, no.

788
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:32.599
<v Speaker 8>Problem behind cover ups. It's powerful enough to keep good

789
00:49:32.599 --> 00:49:36.800
<v Speaker 8>people silent, intimidate witnesses into changing their testimony, and stop

790
00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:39.079
<v Speaker 8>those who might otherwise choose to do the right thing.

791
00:49:40.440 --> 00:49:43.480
<v Speaker 8>One witness in particular, seemed terrified to deviate from the

792
00:49:43.559 --> 00:49:47.639
<v Speaker 8>macalbot script, so desperate to downplay her relationship with Brian's

793
00:49:47.679 --> 00:49:51.039
<v Speaker 8>daughter that her testimony spiraled into outright absurdity.

794
00:49:53.199 --> 00:49:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Who's Cathlin Albert? I don't know.

795
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:00.360
<v Speaker 19>I went to high school with some of he named

796
00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:01.480
<v Speaker 19>Kaitlyn Albert.

797
00:50:02.079 --> 00:50:03.800
<v Speaker 1>With somebody named Kaitlin Albert?

798
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:07.960
<v Speaker 19>I went to high school? Was somebody named Kitten Albert?

799
00:50:09.199 --> 00:50:09.400
<v Speaker 15>Yeah?

800
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:13.079
<v Speaker 8>You fucking as Her response was obviously carefully scripted. She

801
00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:17.000
<v Speaker 8>repeated the exact phrase the question is who authored it?

802
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:20.880
<v Speaker 1>So do you know Kaitlin albert? I? Do be friends

803
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:22.239
<v Speaker 1>with kit One albert.

804
00:50:24.119 --> 00:50:29.360
<v Speaker 19>I would say more acquaintances, not close friends.

805
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:33.840
<v Speaker 8>Don't forget Karen knows with absolute certainty that she's lying,

806
00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:37.280
<v Speaker 8>locking her gaze on Katie for a wildly long, virtually

807
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:38.719
<v Speaker 8>unbroken fifty.

808
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:41.719
<v Speaker 5>Seconds, She's got a look on her.

809
00:50:41.920 --> 00:50:45.199
<v Speaker 8>This is the unwavering stare of an innocent woman watching

810
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:47.800
<v Speaker 8>a parade of deceitful liars get on the stand and

811
00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:51.480
<v Speaker 8>sell falsehoods like their lives depended on it. No longer

812
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:54.440
<v Speaker 8>the terrified woman she was at the start, Now she

813
00:50:54.599 --> 00:50:55.800
<v Speaker 8>was refusing to break.

814
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:03.039
<v Speaker 14>Late last night, we received another photo where Katie McLoughlin

815
00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:06.039
<v Speaker 14>and Caitlin albert are standing next to each other at

816
00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:10.280
<v Speaker 14>a baby shower in June of twenty twenty one, about

817
00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:16.000
<v Speaker 14>eight months before John O'Keefe's death. It's very clear to

818
00:51:16.079 --> 00:51:20.000
<v Speaker 14>us that Katie McLoughlin perjured herself.

819
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.760
<v Speaker 8>For the Macalberts. Katie McLaughlin was a critical piece of

820
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.760
<v Speaker 8>the puzzle. In order to pin the crime on Karen Reid,

821
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:28.280
<v Speaker 8>they needed a so called neutral witness to claim they

822
00:51:28.280 --> 00:51:32.239
<v Speaker 8>heard a confession. It couldn't come from jen alone, So

823
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:35.000
<v Speaker 8>Katie was drafted for the role. A longtime friend of

824
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:37.960
<v Speaker 8>Caitlin Albert, she was someone they could influence without risk

825
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:40.880
<v Speaker 8>of being reported, someone who could be steered to say

826
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:43.679
<v Speaker 8>what was needed. They thought no one would ever find

827
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:47.840
<v Speaker 8>out her and Caitlin were friends. But it doesn't seem

828
00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:51.079
<v Speaker 8>like she's helping out of loyalty. Even for a friend,

829
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:56.000
<v Speaker 8>most people won't risk perjury. Growing up alongside Caitlin, Katie

830
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:58.440
<v Speaker 8>would have known the family to some degree and known

831
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:01.599
<v Speaker 8>of their reputation. She would also know that Kevin Albert

832
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:05.559
<v Speaker 8>was a cop in town and exactly who Brian Albert was.

833
00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:09.360
<v Speaker 8>But what she says next takes her testimony from highly

834
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:12.360
<v Speaker 8>questionable to completely implausible.

835
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:15.719
<v Speaker 19>It's your dad, I don't know.

836
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:19.119
<v Speaker 8>As she sits on the stand during the first trial,

837
00:52:19.440 --> 00:52:22.280
<v Speaker 8>Katie McLaughlin claims she doesn't know that her friend's farm.

838
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:26.880
<v Speaker 8>To believe that, you'd have to accept that she somehow

839
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:30.400
<v Speaker 8>didn't really Rob's launch. She responded to the Morning John

840
00:52:30.440 --> 00:52:34.400
<v Speaker 8>O'Keefe and is unaware that he's a controversial figure in

841
00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:35.000
<v Speaker 8>this case.

842
00:52:35.599 --> 00:52:37.960
<v Speaker 11>How many times would you say that you've discussed this

843
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:41.599
<v Speaker 11>case and this incident with your fellow firefighters.

844
00:52:42.039 --> 00:52:45.119
<v Speaker 19>It's brought up around the station semi frequently.

845
00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:49.360
<v Speaker 11>So the answer is.

846
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:53.119
<v Speaker 8>Yes, it defies logic. It's not just unlikely, it's impossible.

847
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:57.239
<v Speaker 8>What makes far more sense is that Katie is bending

848
00:52:57.280 --> 00:53:00.960
<v Speaker 8>over backwards to downplay her relationship with Katelyn and deny

849
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:05.599
<v Speaker 8>knowing who Brian Albert is because she's terrified, terrified of

850
00:53:05.639 --> 00:53:08.920
<v Speaker 8>saying something that could implicate them, and even more afraid

851
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:12.599
<v Speaker 8>of the backlash if she does. Her testimony isn't shaped

852
00:53:12.599 --> 00:53:15.639
<v Speaker 8>by loyalty, it's shaped by fear.

853
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.760
<v Speaker 11>Your visit to Cap't and PD was coordinated by another

854
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:24.280
<v Speaker 11>officer to put you and Tripper Proctor together for the interview.

855
00:53:24.400 --> 00:53:24.639
<v Speaker 1>Correct.

856
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:28.480
<v Speaker 19>I don't recall that.

857
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:33.599
<v Speaker 11>You recall being contacted by a completely different officer to say, Hey,

858
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:35.440
<v Speaker 11>Tripper Proctor wants to talk to you, come on into

859
00:53:35.480 --> 00:53:36.000
<v Speaker 11>can' and PD.

860
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:37.639
<v Speaker 1>What's that an interview?

861
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:41.239
<v Speaker 19>I don't remember exactly how the interview was set up.

862
00:53:41.559 --> 00:53:44.360
<v Speaker 8>That was her answer in twenty twenty four, but it

863
00:53:44.440 --> 00:53:47.280
<v Speaker 8>left the door open to implicate Kevin Albert with interfering

864
00:53:47.280 --> 00:53:50.880
<v Speaker 8>in the case, and that simply cannot happen. So by

865
00:53:50.920 --> 00:53:53.880
<v Speaker 8>twenty twenty five it was doctored to this.

866
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:56.000
<v Speaker 19>I've never spoken to Kevin Albert.

867
00:53:56.159 --> 00:53:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Ever can remember this.

868
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:05.079
<v Speaker 19>Because it was the state Police called me. The state

869
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:06.880
<v Speaker 19>police called me. It was a state trooper.

870
00:54:07.199 --> 00:54:10.159
<v Speaker 8>When Brian's brother, Officer Kevin Albert, called her the day

871
00:54:10.199 --> 00:54:13.360
<v Speaker 8>after John was pronounced dead, telling her that she needed

872
00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:16.519
<v Speaker 8>to meet with Detective Michael Procter, it's easy to see

873
00:54:16.559 --> 00:54:19.079
<v Speaker 8>how she may have felt coerced into going along with

874
00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:22.880
<v Speaker 8>whatever he decided to write in his report. Much like

875
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:26.119
<v Speaker 8>Officer Kelly Dever, she presumably found herself faced with a

876
00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:30.159
<v Speaker 8>choice tell the truth and risk turning her community against her,

877
00:54:30.800 --> 00:54:34.920
<v Speaker 8>or adjust her story and keep her life undisturbed. Though

878
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:38.519
<v Speaker 8>their circumstances differed, both seem to have followed the same calculus.

879
00:54:39.119 --> 00:54:41.679
<v Speaker 8>She made a choice, and both have paid a heavy

880
00:54:41.719 --> 00:54:45.000
<v Speaker 8>price for their decisions, now publicly known as enablers of

881
00:54:45.039 --> 00:54:47.840
<v Speaker 8>the cover up and associated with the very people most

882
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:53.639
<v Speaker 8>suspected of murdering John. The toll this involvement took on

883
00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:58.119
<v Speaker 8>Katie seems to have changed her. In earlier photos, she

884
00:54:58.199 --> 00:55:03.280
<v Speaker 8>appears full of life, confident and optimistic, but the woman

885
00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:05.440
<v Speaker 8>on the witness stand in twenty twenty four looks like

886
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.960
<v Speaker 8>a shadow of that person, empty, like the life has

887
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:12.960
<v Speaker 8>been drained from her. The weight of maintaining a lie

888
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:13.960
<v Speaker 8>leaves a mark.

889
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:18.039
<v Speaker 20>Hey, Jen, are you worried about what's going to happen.

890
00:55:17.800 --> 00:55:19.719
<v Speaker 4>To your family or to jail? Don't touch me?

891
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:21.239
<v Speaker 1>Why is she again?

892
00:55:21.360 --> 00:55:22.199
<v Speaker 12>Why is she again?

893
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:23.199
<v Speaker 21>Touch me again?

894
00:55:23.239 --> 00:55:23.400
<v Speaker 7>Jen?

895
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:24.519
<v Speaker 1>Are you worried about?

896
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:27.559
<v Speaker 8>This clip captured by Turtle Boy at the lacrosse game

897
00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:31.199
<v Speaker 8>shows the unmistakable signs of someone buckling under the weight

898
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:32.719
<v Speaker 8>of exposure.

899
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:34.079
<v Speaker 1>A villain of this story.

900
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:37.639
<v Speaker 8>Even for Jen who's naturally petite, her appearance is alarming.

901
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:42.639
<v Speaker 8>She looks emaciated, almost skeletal, shaken, pale, and visibly deteriorated,

902
00:55:42.719 --> 00:55:45.639
<v Speaker 8>like someone buckling under the weight of immense pressure and fear.

903
00:55:46.360 --> 00:55:49.639
<v Speaker 8>Unlike Katie, who seems scared of the family, Jennifer's fear

904
00:55:49.719 --> 00:55:53.000
<v Speaker 8>is rooted in something much deeper. This was her condition.

905
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:56.840
<v Speaker 8>On June fifth, twenty twenty three, roughly six weeks earlier,

906
00:55:56.880 --> 00:56:01.079
<v Speaker 8>she was visited by the FBI. They approached her in

907
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:05.559
<v Speaker 8>her driveway, where she denied she was Jen McCabe, instead

908
00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:08.960
<v Speaker 8>claiming to be her sister, lying to their faces.

909
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:14.079
<v Speaker 16>I thought they were like selling something, so I was like,

910
00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:15.639
<v Speaker 16>oh no, I'm not the homeowner.

911
00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:16.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

912
00:56:18.280 --> 00:56:20.760
<v Speaker 8>Immediately traveled, and she agrees to let them in for

913
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:22.480
<v Speaker 8>an interview, but asks.

914
00:56:24.559 --> 00:56:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Mistaken for salesmen all the time.

915
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:30.960
<v Speaker 16>I was in a situation where there two officers from

916
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:33.840
<v Speaker 16>a different agent had come in were asking me questions,

917
00:56:34.039 --> 00:56:37.000
<v Speaker 16>or they had said and ask you questions. At first

918
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:39.880
<v Speaker 16>I thought they were selling something, then they identified themselves.

919
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:41.800
<v Speaker 16>I just dropped my kids off at school, going to

920
00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:43.800
<v Speaker 16>be a.

921
00:56:42.920 --> 00:56:46.880
<v Speaker 1>Complete my kids, my kids, my kids, my kids, my kids.

922
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:51.480
<v Speaker 3>I kind of made the whole time she's saying.

923
00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:55.639
<v Speaker 8>Jennifer comes off as completely unhinged, struggling to articulate her

924
00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:59.280
<v Speaker 8>version of events, and visibly erratic. It's the performance of

925
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:03.559
<v Speaker 8>someone bare holding the scripts together. Before letting the agents in,

926
00:57:04.039 --> 00:57:07.039
<v Speaker 8>Jennifer makes five quick phone calls. One of them is

927
00:57:07.119 --> 00:57:09.960
<v Speaker 8>to Kerry, presumably to make sure their story is a line.

928
00:57:10.079 --> 00:57:13.159
<v Speaker 16>It's like when you're a little when the ice cream

929
00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:16.159
<v Speaker 16>truck was at the street next door, and I'm saying,

930
00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:17.440
<v Speaker 16>did the ice cream track come?

931
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:19.000
<v Speaker 5>It's really that simple.

932
00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:23.159
<v Speaker 8>So she called right to Brian, almost certainly to give

933
00:57:23.199 --> 00:57:24.840
<v Speaker 8>him a heads up that the Feds are in town.

934
00:57:25.639 --> 00:57:29.559
<v Speaker 8>She cuts the interview short after, but not before agents

935
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:30.800
<v Speaker 8>ask one last question.

936
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:36.440
<v Speaker 11>Minutes earlier, was there anyone else that you contacted in

937
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:39.119
<v Speaker 11>that ten minute period before we got a chance to

938
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:43.920
<v Speaker 11>talk to you. And your answer was no, correct, correct,

939
00:57:44.199 --> 00:57:45.159
<v Speaker 11>And that was a lie?

940
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:47.159
<v Speaker 5>Correct, It wasn't a lie.

941
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:48.400
<v Speaker 1>No, was it true?

942
00:57:49.480 --> 00:57:50.639
<v Speaker 5>I had.

943
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:55.679
<v Speaker 8>Afterward, her husband, Matt, made her every agent why she

944
00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:57.960
<v Speaker 8>had simply forgotten about the other three calls.

945
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:01.719
<v Speaker 11>For some reason, you did not want these officers to

946
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:06.840
<v Speaker 11>know that you had communicated, specifically with Brian Albert, the homeowner,

947
00:58:07.440 --> 00:58:09.920
<v Speaker 11>just before you talked to them.

948
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:12.840
<v Speaker 1>Jen, are you worried about what's gonna happen when you

949
00:58:12.880 --> 00:58:14.599
<v Speaker 1>go to jail? Are you worried all about that?

950
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:18.320
<v Speaker 8>In addition to her visit from the FBI, there was

951
00:58:18.360 --> 00:58:22.000
<v Speaker 8>another major source of stress that could help explain Jen's condition.

952
00:58:23.800 --> 00:58:28.000
<v Speaker 8>Turtle Boys first expose on the case that same week.

953
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:34.760
<v Speaker 8>Right for the first time, the carefully controlled narrative was slipping,

954
00:58:35.039 --> 00:58:36.960
<v Speaker 8>and for Jen, it must have felt like the walls

955
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:37.679
<v Speaker 8>were closing in.

956
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:40.239
<v Speaker 1>These are cop killers, These are cop killers.

957
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:40.920
<v Speaker 2>You know they're cop.

958
00:58:40.800 --> 00:58:41.400
<v Speaker 22>Killers, right.

959
00:58:41.639 --> 00:58:44.920
<v Speaker 8>But let's not get off track. There's still one more

960
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:46.920
<v Speaker 8>important family cover up to explore.

961
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:52.719
<v Speaker 1>I want to keep going because I want to get

962
00:58:52.840 --> 00:58:53.239
<v Speaker 1>through this.

963
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:58.599
<v Speaker 5>Camp and with the latest on what happened here, Malcolm.

964
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:01.199
<v Speaker 23>Just after five o'clock. That's when a call came in

965
00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.199
<v Speaker 23>for a car that had struck a pedestrian at Dedham

966
00:59:04.280 --> 00:59:08.960
<v Speaker 23>in Washington Street. Here is Canton's police Chief, Ken Berkowitz

967
00:59:09.079 --> 00:59:10.239
<v Speaker 23>on the victim's condition.

968
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:13.280
<v Speaker 21>Party was conscious and alert. I was up there myself

969
00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:14.079
<v Speaker 21>and witnessed it.

970
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:20.280
<v Speaker 23>Last out here. The police chief effort to establish some transparency.

971
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:24.239
<v Speaker 21>Here, complete transparency, and to make sure that it didn't

972
00:59:24.280 --> 00:59:26.519
<v Speaker 21>have any ear of anything, but.

973
00:59:27.199 --> 00:59:30.519
<v Speaker 23>Reached out to the district Attorney Mike Morrisey and also

974
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:35.199
<v Speaker 23>the Massachusetts State Police so that they can conduct this investigation.

975
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:37.719
<v Speaker 8>Turtle Boy was the first to connect this incident to

976
00:59:37.760 --> 00:59:41.760
<v Speaker 8>the Karen Reid case. According to his reporting, two independent

977
00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:45.639
<v Speaker 8>sources identified the driver who struck the pedestrian as Tristan Morris,

978
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:51.320
<v Speaker 8>Caitlin Albert's longtime boyfriend now husband. If true, it means

979
00:59:51.360 --> 00:59:55.559
<v Speaker 8>Morris was shielded from public accountability. His name never appeared

980
00:59:55.559 --> 00:59:59.000
<v Speaker 8>in any police report or news coverage, suggesting a deliberate

981
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:02.119
<v Speaker 8>effort to keep him out of the spotlight, most likely

982
01:00:02.159 --> 01:00:04.320
<v Speaker 8>because his name was on the waiting list to become

983
01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:08.000
<v Speaker 8>a cop in this town and was withdrawn after O'Keeffe's death.

984
01:00:08.719 --> 01:00:12.000
<v Speaker 8>During this public confrontation in May of twenty twenty four,

985
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:16.559
<v Speaker 8>Tristan called Aiden a rat, an interesting choice of words,

986
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:20.280
<v Speaker 8>considering a rat, by definition, is someone who reports the

987
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:24.719
<v Speaker 8>truth to law enforcement. This little known twenty twenty one

988
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:27.159
<v Speaker 8>incident may be the most revealing of them all for

989
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:31.119
<v Speaker 8>two key reasons. First, it occurred just ten months before

990
01:00:31.159 --> 01:00:34.840
<v Speaker 8>John O'Keeffe's death, and second, it involved every major player,

991
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:38.079
<v Speaker 8>the local police chief Ken Berkowitz, the Norfolk d A.

992
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:41.000
<v Speaker 8>Michael Morrissey, the state police in his office, and yet

993
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:43.280
<v Speaker 8>another cover up to protect a member of the Albert family.

994
01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:47.119
<v Speaker 8>Although very minor in comparison, it shows the machinery was

995
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:50.519
<v Speaker 8>already in place and functioning. This time they walked the line,

996
01:00:50.880 --> 01:00:53.400
<v Speaker 8>the next time they would cross it. The only thing

997
01:00:53.400 --> 01:00:56.159
<v Speaker 8>that changed was the magnitude of the crime and the

998
01:00:56.239 --> 01:01:03.079
<v Speaker 8>need to bring in a scapegoat. It's not just about

999
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:07.199
<v Speaker 8>avoiding consequences. The Alberts seem intent on erasing their names

1000
01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:10.159
<v Speaker 8>from the narrative entirely, as it was with Chris Tin

1001
01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:13.519
<v Speaker 8>and Tristan, scrubbing any record of their involvement as if

1002
01:01:13.519 --> 01:01:17.039
<v Speaker 8>it never happened. And more importantly, they've demonstrated time and

1003
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:20.960
<v Speaker 8>again their ability to do it. So when a crisis

1004
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:24.159
<v Speaker 8>of the highest order, one that threatens their freedom and

1005
01:01:24.199 --> 01:01:28.559
<v Speaker 8>everything they've built, were to occur inside Brian's home, how

1006
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:38.400
<v Speaker 8>far would they go to protect themselves?

1007
01:01:39.639 --> 01:01:41.639
<v Speaker 20>Okay, so when this happened, I wasn't working in news

1008
01:01:41.679 --> 01:01:43.960
<v Speaker 20>any longer and just tweeting new stories on my own.

1009
01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:47.199
<v Speaker 20>I tweeted about O'Keefe's death, essentially saying this is the

1010
01:01:47.199 --> 01:01:49.880
<v Speaker 20>house where he was found, and that online property record

1011
01:01:49.920 --> 01:01:52.400
<v Speaker 20>show it's located at thirty four Fairview Road and owned

1012
01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:55.199
<v Speaker 20>by Brian Albert, the veteran Boston copp who appeared on

1013
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:58.400
<v Speaker 20>the police reality show Boston's Finest. Shortly after that, I

1014
01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:01.159
<v Speaker 20>got a message from Berkowitz. I called him a half

1015
01:02:01.199 --> 01:02:04.199
<v Speaker 20>hour later. He asked me to take the tweet down.

1016
01:02:04.840 --> 01:02:07.360
<v Speaker 20>He said Brian Albert as a friend, a pillar of

1017
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:09.960
<v Speaker 20>the community, and he didn't deserve to have his name smeared.

1018
01:02:10.360 --> 01:02:12.559
<v Speaker 20>I didn't want to deal with his bullshit, so I said, okay,

1019
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:15.119
<v Speaker 20>hung up, and deleted the tweet.

1020
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:19.559
<v Speaker 8>The following day, while Karen was being arraigned, a false

1021
01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:23.000
<v Speaker 8>sense of relief was falling over the Macalberts. None of

1022
01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:25.760
<v Speaker 8>them were sitting in the courtroom. They were still trying

1023
01:02:25.760 --> 01:02:29.559
<v Speaker 8>to stay off the radar completely, but they were undoubtedly watching.

1024
01:02:30.519 --> 01:02:34.000
<v Speaker 8>Someone else was watching too, and he knew everything Lally

1025
01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:36.440
<v Speaker 8>was saying was pure fiction.

1026
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:40.920
<v Speaker 17>Defendants then made several statements to her indicating I hit him,

1027
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:42.000
<v Speaker 17>I hit him, I hit him.

1028
01:02:41.840 --> 01:02:42.559
<v Speaker 10>I hit him.

1029
01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:46.239
<v Speaker 8>Steve Scanlon, a private detective and acquaintance of Brian Albert,

1030
01:02:46.719 --> 01:02:50.400
<v Speaker 8>called David Yannetti's office with details only an insider could know.

1031
01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:54.440
<v Speaker 8>He said John had been murdered inside the house, there

1032
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:57.960
<v Speaker 8>was a fight, that an ATF agent was involved, and

1033
01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:02.880
<v Speaker 8>that Brian's nephew, Colin Albert, was also present. This tip

1034
01:03:02.960 --> 01:03:06.679
<v Speaker 8>marked a turning point for the defense, although Scanlon later recanted,

1035
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:09.320
<v Speaker 8>claiming he only believed John was killed inside because the

1036
01:03:09.360 --> 01:03:13.239
<v Speaker 8>injuries didn't align with the state's theory. But that explanation

1037
01:03:13.480 --> 01:03:16.719
<v Speaker 8>falls short. It doesn't account for how he knew about

1038
01:03:16.719 --> 01:03:21.400
<v Speaker 8>Brian Higgins and Colin Albert's involvement. It seems Brian made

1039
01:03:21.400 --> 01:03:25.440
<v Speaker 8>steph an offer he couldn't refuse, presumably making it more

1040
01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:34.840
<v Speaker 8>expensive to talk than to discredit himself. It's undeniable that

1041
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:39.039
<v Speaker 8>Brian Albert, and by extension, his entire family were deeply feared.

1042
01:03:39.639 --> 01:03:42.840
<v Speaker 8>For a time, they managed to contain the whispers, silencing

1043
01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:46.159
<v Speaker 8>doubt through intimidation and bullying, which is why it must

1044
01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:49.639
<v Speaker 8>have come at such a shock when a voice emerged, loud, fearless,

1045
01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:52.559
<v Speaker 8>and impossible to silence, saying things that no one else

1046
01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:53.840
<v Speaker 8>dared to say in public.

1047
01:03:54.000 --> 01:03:58.519
<v Speaker 17>John o'keith was murdered by Brian Albert, and by Colin Albert,

1048
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:01.719
<v Speaker 17>and that freaking dog and every other single person in

1049
01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:02.320
<v Speaker 17>the house.

1050
01:04:02.400 --> 01:04:05.000
<v Speaker 8>Here was a new species of journalist, a hybrid of

1051
01:04:05.039 --> 01:04:08.159
<v Speaker 8>the old school reporter who chases the story wherever it leads,

1052
01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:11.880
<v Speaker 8>but with a massive social media following and fiercely loyal

1053
01:04:11.920 --> 01:04:15.320
<v Speaker 8>audience behind him, immune to every weapon in their arsenal,

1054
01:04:15.519 --> 01:04:17.880
<v Speaker 8>and they had no idea how to stop him. He

1055
01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:21.679
<v Speaker 8>was everything they were not, Charismatic, entertaining, a great speaker,

1056
01:04:21.719 --> 01:04:24.719
<v Speaker 8>and instantly likable. If there's one point that's been lost

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01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.840
<v Speaker 8>in this story, it's just how unafraid Aiden kearney was

1058
01:04:27.880 --> 01:04:30.599
<v Speaker 8>to speak out against the Alberts. He did what no

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01:04:30.679 --> 01:04:33.679
<v Speaker 8>one else dared to do. His intent was always to

1060
01:04:33.800 --> 01:04:37.199
<v Speaker 8>uncover the absolute truth, relentlessly, but within the bounds of

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01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:39.960
<v Speaker 8>the law. Yet he still hasn't received the recognition he

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01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:43.559
<v Speaker 8>deserves for being the lone source of factual information when

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01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:48.360
<v Speaker 8>every mainstream outlet refused to touch the story, and in

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01:04:48.440 --> 01:04:51.559
<v Speaker 8>doing so, his courage gave others the strength to step

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01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:55.159
<v Speaker 8>out of the shadows, even if only online, to share

1066
01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:59.360
<v Speaker 8>what they knew and speak what they believed. The family

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01:04:59.400 --> 01:05:03.719
<v Speaker 8>took notice and initially tried to stop them. Chris Albert's

1068
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:07.039
<v Speaker 8>attorney sent threatening letters to dozens of local residents simply

1069
01:05:07.039 --> 01:05:10.840
<v Speaker 8>for posting factual Facebook comments critical of his past, a

1070
01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:15.719
<v Speaker 8>clear attempt to silence through intimidation. However, they quickly learned

1071
01:05:15.719 --> 01:05:18.360
<v Speaker 8>that every attempt they made was being reported back to

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01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:22.320
<v Speaker 8>Turtle Boy, fueling his next article and making their efforts

1073
01:05:22.400 --> 01:05:28.480
<v Speaker 8>backfire spectacularly. Interest in the story was skyrocketing. Macalbert ally

1074
01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:32.119
<v Speaker 8>and subordinate Chief Rafferty quickly stepped in, going to bat

1075
01:05:32.159 --> 01:05:34.079
<v Speaker 8>for them in an attempt to throw water on the

1076
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:36.280
<v Speaker 8>theory that John was killed inside the house.

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01:05:36.960 --> 01:05:40.480
<v Speaker 6>These final words I have will be memorialized on camera.

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01:05:41.400 --> 01:05:43.920
<v Speaker 6>No matter what the jury decides in the O'Keefe case.

1079
01:05:44.599 --> 01:05:47.360
<v Speaker 6>I will always be able to look in any mirror

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01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:48.039
<v Speaker 6>I pass.

1081
01:05:48.719 --> 01:05:50.079
<v Speaker 1>The children will.

1082
01:05:49.880 --> 01:05:52.559
<v Speaker 6>Always be able to view me as a person of integrity,

1083
01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:55.519
<v Speaker 6>and I will always be able to look the O'Keefe

1084
01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:59.800
<v Speaker 6>family members in their eyes because there is absolutely no

1085
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:02.760
<v Speaker 6>evidence of a cover up in the tragic depth of

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01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:04.760
<v Speaker 6>John o'key.

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<v Speaker 8>It's exactly statements like this that helped cover up the

1088
01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:14.119
<v Speaker 8>truth the irony. So when the next wave of letters

1089
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:18.519
<v Speaker 8>went out, targeting the town's most outspoken residents, this time

1090
01:06:18.639 --> 01:06:22.039
<v Speaker 8>they were sent anonymously and included true threats.

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01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:26.079
<v Speaker 24>That the accusations and threats by an anonymous sunder. The

1092
01:06:26.159 --> 01:06:30.119
<v Speaker 24>threatened to hurt me, my family and people we know,

1093
01:06:31.119 --> 01:06:33.159
<v Speaker 24>made me swear to people I love that I was

1094
01:06:33.199 --> 01:06:36.000
<v Speaker 24>going to step back from this microphone even when it

1095
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:39.679
<v Speaker 24>opens up again. But I find myself here because I

1096
01:06:39.719 --> 01:06:42.400
<v Speaker 24>still believe in the democratic process and in talking through

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01:06:42.440 --> 01:06:45.360
<v Speaker 24>issues face to face, even when we're shaking and really

1098
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:49.000
<v Speaker 24>really scared, rather than threatening people behind closed doors.

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<v Speaker 25>Beautifully, the harassers are McCabe and Albert supporters with fake

1100
01:06:54.199 --> 01:06:58.039
<v Speaker 25>accounts they wrongly, very wrongly, think can't be traced. I

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01:06:58.159 --> 01:07:00.960
<v Speaker 25>was harassed by an Albert supporter who brought my dead

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01:07:01.079 --> 01:07:05.400
<v Speaker 25>father into it. My dead father a World War two

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01:07:05.599 --> 01:07:06.800
<v Speaker 25>combat hero.

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01:07:07.320 --> 01:07:09.159
<v Speaker 9>I am one of the four people, as you know.

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01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:12.320
<v Speaker 9>Because the letter was forwarded to you that received the

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01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:15.559
<v Speaker 9>intimidating letter in the mail, and I'm not going to

1107
01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:19.639
<v Speaker 9>give that letter any credence. It was written by a

1108
01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:24.480
<v Speaker 9>few people, clearly, and it had lies in it and

1109
01:07:24.599 --> 01:07:26.199
<v Speaker 9>some of the things that were in there. And I

1110
01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:30.159
<v Speaker 9>want you to know is that they said to us,

1111
01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:35.960
<v Speaker 9>you have chosen to insert yourself into an unimaginable situation.

1112
01:07:36.239 --> 01:07:38.159
<v Speaker 9>Why would any of you want to do? This is

1113
01:07:38.199 --> 01:07:42.719
<v Speaker 9>beyond us. There are just a few facts people eagerly shared,

1114
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:45.039
<v Speaker 9>and these were the lies that they told about us

1115
01:07:45.079 --> 01:07:45.800
<v Speaker 9>and our family.

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01:07:46.119 --> 01:07:49.199
<v Speaker 8>The authors of the letters included paragraphs of salacious lies

1117
01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:53.119
<v Speaker 8>about each recipient, including their families, threatening to spread them

1118
01:07:53.199 --> 01:07:56.360
<v Speaker 8>unless they stopped speaking out about the case. Also known

1119
01:07:56.400 --> 01:07:57.239
<v Speaker 8>as blackmail.

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<v Speaker 9>There's a section. I'm not even going to give that

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01:07:59.400 --> 01:08:02.719
<v Speaker 9>any credence because it's made up. Imagine a deep dive.

1122
01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:04.079
<v Speaker 1>This is too quiet us.

1123
01:08:04.880 --> 01:08:09.199
<v Speaker 9>Imagine a deep dive of family, friends, extended families, neighbors,

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01:08:09.199 --> 01:08:12.159
<v Speaker 9>and coworkers. We will make sure they know this is

1125
01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:13.440
<v Speaker 9>curiosity of you.

1126
01:08:14.119 --> 01:08:14.880
<v Speaker 10>Factor fiction.

1127
01:08:15.159 --> 01:08:18.199
<v Speaker 9>It sticks forever on the internet reasons.

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01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:21.159
<v Speaker 8>At the next meeting, Jen McCabe's oldest sister responded to

1129
01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:23.920
<v Speaker 8>the threats made against Karen Reid supporters. In the letters,

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01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:26.560
<v Speaker 8>Matt and Jen also attended.

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01:08:26.520 --> 01:08:31.159
<v Speaker 26>Some residents tearfully spoke about anonymous harassment and fearing for

1132
01:08:31.199 --> 01:08:32.840
<v Speaker 26>the safety of their families due to.

1133
01:08:32.760 --> 01:08:35.039
<v Speaker 5>Receiving a mildly contentious letter.

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01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:40.680
<v Speaker 26>Have you been blind to the constant, vicious, hateful, abusive

1135
01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:47.399
<v Speaker 26>post letters, memes, messages, calls, visits, name calling, and profanity

1136
01:08:47.560 --> 01:08:50.760
<v Speaker 26>that has been directed at my family and friends for

1137
01:08:50.800 --> 01:08:53.000
<v Speaker 26>the past eight months on social media.

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01:08:53.199 --> 01:08:56.479
<v Speaker 8>Unsurprisingly, she draws a flawed comparison to her own family,

1139
01:08:57.079 --> 01:08:59.720
<v Speaker 8>ignoring the fact that the four Karen Reid supporters were

1140
01:08:59.720 --> 01:09:06.319
<v Speaker 8>threats and for simply demanding Chris Albert's resignation. A few

1141
01:09:06.359 --> 01:09:09.199
<v Speaker 8>months later, while Aidan was jailed in retaliation for his

1142
01:09:09.239 --> 01:09:12.760
<v Speaker 8>investigative work, I ran into them at a hearing. Jen

1143
01:09:12.840 --> 01:09:15.039
<v Speaker 8>made sure to let me know she knew who I was.

1144
01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:27.439
<v Speaker 8>HI an intimidation tactic used against me. All I had

1145
01:09:27.479 --> 01:09:32.159
<v Speaker 8>ever done was hold a camera, but it didn't feel

1146
01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:35.119
<v Speaker 8>the same without Aidan, which was the entire point of

1147
01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:35.840
<v Speaker 8>locking him up.

1148
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:39.680
<v Speaker 4>I got a good clean.

1149
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:42.439
<v Speaker 8>It's important to note that no one can be held

1150
01:09:42.479 --> 01:09:45.239
<v Speaker 8>responsible for the actions of another, and we don't know

1151
01:09:45.239 --> 01:09:48.520
<v Speaker 8>who sent the anonymous letters. The point is this, there's

1152
01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:51.640
<v Speaker 8>a false narrative that only the Macalberts were harassed, when

1153
01:09:51.640 --> 01:09:54.399
<v Speaker 8>in reality, true threats have been made against Karen Reid

1154
01:09:54.560 --> 01:10:06.399
<v Speaker 8>and her supporters for years.

1155
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:05.880
<v Speaker 22>Which witnesses what we thought, let.

1156
01:10:07.640 --> 01:10:08.960
<v Speaker 6>Nobody us.

1157
01:10:09.079 --> 01:10:10.520
<v Speaker 1>This is a guy that was murdered.

1158
01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:14.199
<v Speaker 8>One of the implications of a cover up of this

1159
01:10:14.319 --> 01:10:18.279
<v Speaker 8>scale is the amount of coordination involved. The witnesses, the

1160
01:10:18.279 --> 01:10:20.920
<v Speaker 8>state police, and the prosecutors needed to work together to

1161
01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:25.359
<v Speaker 8>maintain a unified narrative. When new evidence emerged that threatened

1162
01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:30.439
<v Speaker 8>to expose inconsistencies, their stories would adapt. This level of

1163
01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:34.720
<v Speaker 8>synchronization doesn't happen by accident. It requires a staggering amount

1164
01:10:34.720 --> 01:10:38.600
<v Speaker 8>of behind the scenes communication. The attorneys likely relied on

1165
01:10:38.600 --> 01:10:41.560
<v Speaker 8>one or two key individuals to quietly pass along discrete

1166
01:10:41.880 --> 01:10:46.079
<v Speaker 8>and possibly unlawful instructions to the others. It's an aspect

1167
01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:48.720
<v Speaker 8>of this case we know very little about, but there

1168
01:10:48.760 --> 01:10:52.840
<v Speaker 8>are clues. Once they became aware of the federal investigation.

1169
01:10:53.479 --> 01:10:56.479
<v Speaker 8>I've long suspected that most of their communication shifted to

1170
01:10:56.520 --> 01:11:00.600
<v Speaker 8>face to face meetings to avoid surveillance. Photos so called

1171
01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:04.520
<v Speaker 8>parties at the Macay Residents surfaced during both trials, but

1172
01:11:04.640 --> 01:11:07.640
<v Speaker 8>In my view, they lightly served a dual purpose, one

1173
01:11:07.760 --> 01:11:11.560
<v Speaker 8>less about socializing and more about strategizing, and a party

1174
01:11:11.640 --> 01:11:14.600
<v Speaker 8>is a convenient way to conceal exactly who you're meeting with.

1175
01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:19.640
<v Speaker 22>You do realize for this conspiracy to be true, it

1176
01:11:19.680 --> 01:11:24.159
<v Speaker 22>would take thirty to fifty people. You'd have to have No,

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01:11:24.359 --> 01:11:26.560
<v Speaker 22>it doesn't, Brian, two different police departments.

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01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:33.159
<v Speaker 1>No, it doesn't. Bright civilians, the monicable deniabilities you think

1179
01:11:33.199 --> 01:11:35.239
<v Speaker 1>the rest of us are still don't have the last

1180
01:11:35.319 --> 01:11:37.039
<v Speaker 1>name Ali, great question, and that's why I'm going to

1181
01:11:37.079 --> 01:11:38.039
<v Speaker 1>interrupt you right now.

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01:11:38.359 --> 01:11:41.239
<v Speaker 8>In a few people who had to act and the

1183
01:11:41.239 --> 01:11:44.800
<v Speaker 8>rest just had to do nothing, a climate of fear

1184
01:11:45.279 --> 01:11:48.720
<v Speaker 8>and a chain of unspoken loyalties would keep everyone in line.

1185
01:11:49.880 --> 01:11:53.760
<v Speaker 8>The exact reasoning behind every individual's actions we will never know,

1186
01:11:54.840 --> 01:11:57.960
<v Speaker 8>but we can make some basic observations and begin to

1187
01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:01.359
<v Speaker 8>group the key players into broad categories to help understand

1188
01:12:01.399 --> 01:12:09.079
<v Speaker 8>how this was possible. At the core of the wheel,

1189
01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:14.159
<v Speaker 8>as Jennifer McCabe, Brian Albert, and Brian Higgins, their communications

1190
01:12:14.199 --> 01:12:17.600
<v Speaker 8>in the hours after John's death indicates they were already conspiring.

1191
01:12:18.359 --> 01:12:22.079
<v Speaker 8>Their lies, combined with the deliberate destruction of evidence, implicate

1192
01:12:22.119 --> 01:12:25.800
<v Speaker 8>them beyond any reasonable doubt. Their motivation can be summed

1193
01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:32.119
<v Speaker 8>up in two words, self preservation. Next, we have their

1194
01:12:32.159 --> 01:12:36.880
<v Speaker 8>immediate family members, along with two close friends, Sarah Levinson

1195
01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:41.439
<v Speaker 8>and Julie Nagel. These individuals were either inside the house

1196
01:12:41.479 --> 01:12:44.680
<v Speaker 8>when John was killed or were brought into the loop

1197
01:12:44.800 --> 01:12:49.479
<v Speaker 8>shortly after. We wouldn't expect any of them to talk. Initially,

1198
01:12:49.520 --> 01:12:51.319
<v Speaker 8>their instructions were incredibly simple.

1199
01:12:51.760 --> 01:12:54.880
<v Speaker 14>Tell them the guys never went in the hubs.

1200
01:12:57.560 --> 01:13:00.920
<v Speaker 8>We extend the circle outward to include all of the

1201
01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:04.159
<v Speaker 8>people who aided and abetted the conspiracy. By our estimation,

1202
01:13:04.399 --> 01:13:07.680
<v Speaker 8>at least to some degree, they are all members of

1203
01:13:07.680 --> 01:13:12.279
<v Speaker 8>the Norfolk DA's office or police officers, with only one exception.

1204
01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:13.159
<v Speaker 15>And that was a lie.

1205
01:13:13.479 --> 01:13:13.880
<v Speaker 11>Correct?

1206
01:13:15.239 --> 01:13:16.000
<v Speaker 23>Was that a lie?

1207
01:13:17.239 --> 01:13:17.640
<v Speaker 12>Did youly?

1208
01:13:18.279 --> 01:13:18.960
<v Speaker 18>I did not?

1209
01:13:19.439 --> 01:13:20.039
<v Speaker 11>Intentionally?

1210
01:13:20.800 --> 01:13:24.960
<v Speaker 8>But you did and intentionally? Okay, that's the end of

1211
01:13:25.079 --> 01:13:25.880
<v Speaker 8>understood the question?

1212
01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:27.319
<v Speaker 4>Right?

1213
01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:28.479
<v Speaker 8>Is there any other question?

1214
01:13:30.239 --> 01:13:30.600
<v Speaker 9>I said?

1215
01:13:30.600 --> 01:13:33.520
<v Speaker 3>I misunderstood the question, mister Jackson.

1216
01:13:34.800 --> 01:13:38.600
<v Speaker 8>The network is structured similar to a criminal organization. To

1217
01:13:38.680 --> 01:13:40.960
<v Speaker 8>cross them would be to make enemies of a powerful

1218
01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:47.039
<v Speaker 8>machine wielding the full force of government. These are foot soldiers.

1219
01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:51.199
<v Speaker 8>Some had starring roles, like Michael Proctor, who allegedly planted

1220
01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:54.640
<v Speaker 8>taylight fragments and Brian Tully, believed to have run point

1221
01:13:54.680 --> 01:13:58.199
<v Speaker 8>for the Massachusetts State Police. Embedded within the Norfolk DA's office.

1222
01:13:59.199 --> 01:14:00.800
<v Speaker 8>They appear to have had handled the day to day

1223
01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:06.039
<v Speaker 8>routine tasks required when framing an innocent woman enjoy The

1224
01:14:06.119 --> 01:14:08.760
<v Speaker 8>cover up was ignited out of loyalty to the family.

1225
01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:11.640
<v Speaker 8>It was supposed to be cut and dry, but as

1226
01:14:11.640 --> 01:14:14.640
<v Speaker 8>the situation unraveled, others would step in to protect their

1227
01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:17.640
<v Speaker 8>dirty little corner of the thin blue line. The same

1228
01:14:17.680 --> 01:14:19.680
<v Speaker 8>cops who were involved in the cover up of Sandra

1229
01:14:19.760 --> 01:14:22.479
<v Speaker 8>Birchmore's murder. Once they got on the train, there was

1230
01:14:22.520 --> 01:14:25.760
<v Speaker 8>no getting off. Loyalty to each other and not going

1231
01:14:25.800 --> 01:14:28.319
<v Speaker 8>to prison is all of the motivation they would need,

1232
01:14:28.640 --> 01:14:30.840
<v Speaker 8>and the Cantin police didn't have the spine to do

1233
01:14:31.039 --> 01:14:32.680
<v Speaker 8>or say anything.

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01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:34.119
<v Speaker 5>It's really that simple.

1235
01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:40.920
<v Speaker 8>The boss of this operation is DA Michael W. Morrissey.

1236
01:14:41.000 --> 01:14:44.479
<v Speaker 8>It was ultimately his decision to prosecute Karen Reid, a

1237
01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:47.840
<v Speaker 8>betrayal of his oath, made not in the pursuit of justice,

1238
01:14:48.000 --> 01:14:51.720
<v Speaker 8>but in a desperate attempt to shield himself from peril,

1239
01:14:52.560 --> 01:14:55.079
<v Speaker 8>going so far as to have his loudest critic set

1240
01:14:55.159 --> 01:14:59.720
<v Speaker 8>up arrested and falsely prosecuted. He went on TV and

1241
01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:03.199
<v Speaker 8>no lied about his detective's ties to the Alberts.

1242
01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:08.000
<v Speaker 13>Trooper Proctor had no closed personal relationship with any of the.

1243
01:15:07.920 --> 01:15:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Parties involved in the investigation and had no.

1244
01:15:10.840 --> 01:15:14.279
<v Speaker 2>Conflict, and he had no reason to step out of

1245
01:15:14.359 --> 01:15:18.119
<v Speaker 2>this investigation. Every suggestion to the contrary is a lie,

1246
01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:19.560
<v Speaker 2>a lie, a lie, a lie.

1247
01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:20.520
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Interesting.

1248
01:15:20.880 --> 01:15:24.760
<v Speaker 8>Below we have his lieutenants, President Adam, Hank Brennan, and

1249
01:15:24.840 --> 01:15:29.199
<v Speaker 8>Laura McLaughlin. All knew Karen was innocent, and each compromised

1250
01:15:29.199 --> 01:15:31.039
<v Speaker 8>themselves in their own disgraceful way.

1251
01:15:31.239 --> 01:15:33.640
<v Speaker 15>If you're a Hank Brennan, or even an Adam Lalley

1252
01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:38.479
<v Speaker 15>or Laura McLaughlin, by the way, God help us in

1253
01:15:38.520 --> 01:15:43.079
<v Speaker 15>the judicial system, God help us, you have a broader responsibility,

1254
01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:46.359
<v Speaker 15>not just to do a job, do the right goddamn thing,

1255
01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:49.680
<v Speaker 15>Do the right thing, do the right thing.

1256
01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:53.000
<v Speaker 8>Just like the state police officers, they got involved early

1257
01:15:53.159 --> 01:15:55.920
<v Speaker 8>when the stakes were low, only to find themselves trapped

1258
01:15:55.920 --> 01:15:59.239
<v Speaker 8>and forced to keep doubling down at risk of losing everything.

1259
01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:02.000
<v Speaker 8>The only one who willingly stepped into the fire with

1260
01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:04.399
<v Speaker 8>both feet was Hank Brennan.

1261
01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:08.279
<v Speaker 13>He has a very talented people who handle prosecutions, and

1262
01:16:08.600 --> 01:16:10.840
<v Speaker 13>there's about sixty five attorneys in the office, about one

1263
01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:11.840
<v Speaker 13>hundred and thirty people.

1264
01:16:12.319 --> 01:16:15.399
<v Speaker 8>Still no explanation as to why a special prosecutor was necessary.

1265
01:16:15.840 --> 01:16:18.359
<v Speaker 8>Lally and McLaughlin were assisting, so it can't be due

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<v Speaker 8>to a conflict. People say no attorney in the DA's

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<v Speaker 8>office would touch the case, but I don't buy that.

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01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:28.840
<v Speaker 8>It's more likely they were never even asked. Morrissey didn't

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01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:32.880
<v Speaker 8>want an ethical staff employee. He needed someone dirty enough

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01:16:32.880 --> 01:16:35.560
<v Speaker 8>to do whatever needed to be done, so he hired

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01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:38.640
<v Speaker 8>mob lawyer Hank Brennan. He was paid over half a

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<v Speaker 8>million dollars by the taxpayers to do it. Now we

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01:16:41.479 --> 01:16:49.359
<v Speaker 8>know exactly how much his reputation is worth to him.

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01:16:49.760 --> 01:16:50.840
<v Speaker 1>Now who may not.

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<v Speaker 8>Have been directly involved in the cover up, but still

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01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:56.800
<v Speaker 8>helped make it possible. Their motivations typically fall into one

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01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:00.239
<v Speaker 8>of three categories. Loyalty to the players, a design tire

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01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:04.880
<v Speaker 8>to protect the status quo, or fear of the consequences.

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01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:09.880
<v Speaker 8>The Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and Attorney General, all longtime political

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01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:12.880
<v Speaker 8>allies of Michael Morrissey, stood by in silence as this

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01:17:12.920 --> 01:17:18.399
<v Speaker 8>atrocity unfolded, hoping to avoid the fallout. He endorsed their campaigns,

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01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:22.079
<v Speaker 8>and in turn, they silently endorsed his crimes. They had

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01:17:22.079 --> 01:17:26.560
<v Speaker 8>the power to intervene and did nothing. Andrea Campbell in particular,

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01:17:26.880 --> 01:17:29.600
<v Speaker 8>looked the other way when she should have been providing oversight.

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01:17:34.359 --> 01:17:37.920
<v Speaker 8>And now we arrived to the MVP of the entire production,

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01:17:38.640 --> 01:17:43.239
<v Speaker 8>Judge Beverly Canonne. Her favoritism toward the prosecution, an open

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01:17:43.239 --> 01:17:46.439
<v Speaker 8>hostility toward Reed's defense team, was obvious to anyone watching.

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01:17:47.119 --> 01:17:47.279
<v Speaker 7>Her.

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01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:50.000
<v Speaker 8>Loyalty to Michael Morrissey, a man to whom she has

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01:17:50.079 --> 01:17:54.920
<v Speaker 8>direct ties, is the best explanation for her behavior. She

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01:17:54.960 --> 01:17:58.479
<v Speaker 8>seemed to follow two unwavering directives, never dismissed the case

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01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:02.640
<v Speaker 8>under any circumstances, and never hold the prosecution accountable for misconduct,

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01:18:02.880 --> 01:18:09.199
<v Speaker 8>no matter how blatant. Rounding out the circle is Boston

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01:18:09.239 --> 01:18:12.880
<v Speaker 8>Police Commissioner Michael Cox, who crossed the line by intimidating

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01:18:12.880 --> 01:18:17.800
<v Speaker 8>Officer Kelly Dever directly influencing her testimony. His actions appear

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01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:20.840
<v Speaker 8>to be driven by pure loyalty to either the Norfolk

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01:18:20.880 --> 01:18:24.680
<v Speaker 8>DA or his former colleague Brian Albert, but apparently not

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01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:31.960
<v Speaker 8>Officer John O'Keefe. None of these people agreed to be

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01:18:32.039 --> 01:18:36.039
<v Speaker 8>part of the biggest scandal in Massachusetts history. It was

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01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:39.000
<v Speaker 8>supposed to be quietly buried, but once each of them

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01:18:39.000 --> 01:18:42.359
<v Speaker 8>took that first step, they were locked in. Despite the

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01:18:42.399 --> 01:18:45.600
<v Speaker 8>full force of the state, endless resources, a rigged game,

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01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:50.000
<v Speaker 8>and no ethics to speak of, Karen Reid still crushed them.

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01:18:50.239 --> 01:18:52.520
<v Speaker 8>But if they thought the nightmare ended with the trial,

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01:18:52.680 --> 01:18:56.439
<v Speaker 8>they were dead wrong. Now it's their turn under the spotlight.

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01:18:56.640 --> 01:19:00.000
<v Speaker 8>Michael Proctor and Adam Lally are being dragged into courts,

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01:19:00.359 --> 01:19:03.479
<v Speaker 8>forced to answer questions under oath, and Team Reid isn't

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01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:06.560
<v Speaker 8>slowing down. They're coming straight for the Norfolk DA's office

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01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:09.000
<v Speaker 8>and the mass State Police insiders who set her up.

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01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:13.079
<v Speaker 8>Turtle Boy and his all star legal team are preparing

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01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:15.880
<v Speaker 8>to expose the misconduct committed by the very people who

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01:19:15.920 --> 01:19:17.039
<v Speaker 8>tried to take him down.

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01:19:19.720 --> 01:19:22.800
<v Speaker 1>This is not the end, friends, This is the charge forward.

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01:19:24.319 --> 01:19:25.239
<v Speaker 1>Is that from Nurnberg?

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01:19:25.920 --> 01:19:37.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah? He still peppers some little clips in here.

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01:19:38.159 --> 01:19:42.640
<v Speaker 16>There are bad, evil, nefarious players in this.

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01:19:54.800 --> 01:19:58.600
<v Speaker 1>The same exact troopers, the same exact detectives, and the

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01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:02.199
<v Speaker 1>same exact prosecutors who I have been accusing of being

1319
01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:05.399
<v Speaker 1>complicit in this are the ones who filed these charges

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01:20:05.720 --> 01:20:08.239
<v Speaker 1>and came to my house and put me in handcuffs.

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01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:09.920
<v Speaker 1>That should shock us ault.

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01:20:12.079 --> 01:20:19.079
<v Speaker 5>Yes, he's still talented.

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01:20:20.000 --> 01:20:22.279
<v Speaker 13>See I haven't seen Johnny in a while. And call

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01:20:22.319 --> 01:20:24.159
<v Speaker 13>the police, and the police and fire show up and

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01:20:23.920 --> 01:20:27.680
<v Speaker 13>they find that someone is deceased. The local police have

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01:20:27.760 --> 01:20:29.720
<v Speaker 13>to call the state police. The two of them investigate

1327
01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:32.000
<v Speaker 13>the scene and they determine whether or not it's a

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01:20:32.079 --> 01:20:33.199
<v Speaker 13>homicide or accident.

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01:20:41.720 --> 01:20:52.399
<v Speaker 1>Give it up for Richie microdots in rich up Richie.

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01:20:54.920 --> 01:20:58.239
<v Speaker 1>All right, guys, Uh take it away, Dan.

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01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:04.960
<v Speaker 5>Chills just why. I mean, I could never do what

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01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:07.960
<v Speaker 5>he does. I don't envision things like that. And in

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01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:13.039
<v Speaker 5>addition to the like cinematic quality and creativity of it,

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01:21:13.640 --> 01:21:19.359
<v Speaker 5>he's weaving in like pretty complex issues and making them

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01:21:19.439 --> 01:21:24.159
<v Speaker 5>really simple to understand, and and that's that's very difficult

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01:21:24.199 --> 01:21:27.439
<v Speaker 5>to do. So I'm I was very honored to have

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01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:29.720
<v Speaker 5>been asked to be here tonight to kind of watch

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01:21:29.800 --> 01:21:33.960
<v Speaker 5>this with you guys and give my takeaways. And Richie,

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01:21:34.000 --> 01:21:37.920
<v Speaker 5>if you're watching, I continue my admiration of you. I

1340
01:21:37.960 --> 01:21:42.079
<v Speaker 5>think you're you're going places you've You've fully arrived, my friend.

1341
01:21:43.560 --> 01:21:46.119
<v Speaker 5>But as far so, I don't remember where we left

1342
01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:48.800
<v Speaker 5>off with our commentary I know we kind of stopped it.

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01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:52.600
<v Speaker 1>I think we're.

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01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:59.000
<v Speaker 3>With no the young girl, the.

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01:21:59.439 --> 01:22:04.680
<v Speaker 1>Firefighter who you know, it's like your job is to

1346
01:22:04.840 --> 01:22:11.399
<v Speaker 1>save people's lives and here you are. Now, I nania.

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01:22:11.560 --> 01:22:16.880
<v Speaker 1>How much grace do we give her? Okay? She's none? Okay,

1348
01:22:16.960 --> 01:22:20.359
<v Speaker 1>so none? And that's because can you tell me? Why

1349
01:22:20.600 --> 01:22:22.479
<v Speaker 1>be a go first? And then then why don't we

1350
01:22:22.560 --> 01:22:25.319
<v Speaker 1>give any grace? Because she's supposed to be a lifesaver.

1351
01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Maybe they just told her say that I did it,

1352
01:22:28.039 --> 01:22:28.399
<v Speaker 1>I did it?

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01:22:28.680 --> 01:22:28.840
<v Speaker 7>Why?

1354
01:22:28.960 --> 01:22:29.560
<v Speaker 1>Why?

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01:22:29.239 --> 01:22:29.399
<v Speaker 11>Well?

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01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:30.760
<v Speaker 5>What grace?

1357
01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:34.239
<v Speaker 3>When she's sitting there saying that she knows somebody that

1358
01:22:34.319 --> 01:22:37.760
<v Speaker 3>she named Caitlyn Albert and she didn't know that Brian

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01:22:37.840 --> 01:22:41.680
<v Speaker 3>Albert was her father. A case that has been spoken

1360
01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:45.479
<v Speaker 3>about at the you know, at the firehouse, A case

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01:22:45.520 --> 01:22:49.199
<v Speaker 3>that that's a big deal in Canton. To find a

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01:22:49.239 --> 01:22:53.119
<v Speaker 3>police a Boston police officer on another police officer's lawn,

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01:22:53.760 --> 01:22:56.880
<v Speaker 3>like she didn't know where Caitlyn Albert lived. But yet

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01:22:56.920 --> 01:22:59.680
<v Speaker 3>you have pictures and she's an acquaintance, you have pictures

1365
01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:01.640
<v Speaker 3>that you're you have your hand on her shoulders, Like

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01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:04.600
<v Speaker 3>that's not an acquaintance. I'm sorry. You don't put your

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01:23:04.600 --> 01:23:07.800
<v Speaker 3>hands on a stranger. Like, obviously they're friends.

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01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:10.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so it's just the lying part. Nand do

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01:23:10.880 --> 01:23:12.439
<v Speaker 1>you have a different take or is you're the.

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01:23:12.359 --> 01:23:15.560
<v Speaker 5>Same I well, the conclusion is the same, which is

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01:23:15.600 --> 01:23:18.760
<v Speaker 5>I would not cut her any grace and probably and

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01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:21.520
<v Speaker 5>I'm not saying you would, DJ. But I know women,

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01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:25.960
<v Speaker 5>you know, Bea and I are are women, and women

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01:23:26.119 --> 01:23:30.640
<v Speaker 5>tend to be a little bit critical or sometimes hyper

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01:23:30.680 --> 01:23:35.239
<v Speaker 5>critical of other women. Maybe we're not VIIa, but that's

1376
01:23:35.640 --> 01:23:39.159
<v Speaker 5>generally the way it goes. I try to make myself

1377
01:23:39.239 --> 01:23:41.760
<v Speaker 5>more of these straight in your crown type of person,

1378
01:23:41.880 --> 01:23:45.680
<v Speaker 5>but there's women who tear other women down. But with

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01:23:45.800 --> 01:23:51.239
<v Speaker 5>that said, we agree on the conclusion. I feel that McLaughlin,

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01:23:51.359 --> 01:23:53.840
<v Speaker 5>I mean, she's a grown she's a grown adult. I

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01:23:53.880 --> 01:23:58.159
<v Speaker 5>think a lot of a lot of people when they

1382
01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:01.159
<v Speaker 5>heard in trial one point zero, oh, look, they went

1383
01:24:01.319 --> 01:24:03.920
<v Speaker 5>to this party together, they went to that outing to

1384
01:24:04.039 --> 01:24:09.399
<v Speaker 5>the beach and they were drinking here and baby shower. Yeah,

1385
01:24:09.560 --> 01:24:14.000
<v Speaker 5>like it felt to me, at least at first blush

1386
01:24:14.079 --> 01:24:18.359
<v Speaker 5>that she was like a young a young woman. She's

1387
01:24:18.399 --> 01:24:20.880
<v Speaker 5>a she's a woman, she's a grown up. She had

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01:24:20.920 --> 01:24:25.319
<v Speaker 5>an obligation to tell the truth. However, she got influenced

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01:24:25.960 --> 01:24:29.880
<v Speaker 5>whether it was outright or subtle. You know, these subtle

1390
01:24:29.920 --> 01:24:33.199
<v Speaker 5>tees that you were talking about before DJ about you know,

1391
01:24:33.760 --> 01:24:37.119
<v Speaker 5>you guys think we're stupid, and some people don't have

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01:24:37.199 --> 01:24:41.560
<v Speaker 5>to say anything at all. It's kind of just subtleties

1393
01:24:41.920 --> 01:24:44.279
<v Speaker 5>as far as I'm concerned, So she should have just

1394
01:24:44.359 --> 01:24:48.159
<v Speaker 5>spoken up. Same with dev like the fact that two

1395
01:24:48.279 --> 01:24:52.920
<v Speaker 5>women allowed themselves, whether for the same reasons or for

1396
01:24:53.000 --> 01:24:59.159
<v Speaker 5>different reasons, to be bullied and influenced by either this

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01:24:59.159 --> 01:25:05.439
<v Speaker 5>this family in the community that has power and privilege,

1398
01:25:05.640 --> 01:25:10.159
<v Speaker 5>and you know who was it, Berkowitz said, Brian Albert

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01:25:10.239 --> 01:25:12.840
<v Speaker 5>is a pillar of the community, which I have comments on.

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<v Speaker 5>They allowed themselves to be influenced out of fear, retribution,

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01:25:20.640 --> 01:25:24.439
<v Speaker 5>whatever it is. I don't operate that way, So I

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01:25:24.479 --> 01:25:26.640
<v Speaker 5>find it very hard to give grace for that kind

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01:25:26.680 --> 01:25:29.279
<v Speaker 5>of thing. Like you got to face the music. If

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01:25:29.359 --> 01:25:32.560
<v Speaker 5>you have an obligation to tell the truth, you tell

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01:25:32.600 --> 01:25:36.760
<v Speaker 5>the truth. You don't bow out or you know, cater

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01:25:36.960 --> 01:25:40.039
<v Speaker 5>to what other people expect you to say just to

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01:25:40.079 --> 01:25:41.920
<v Speaker 5>protect yourself. You just don't do it.

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01:25:42.920 --> 01:25:45.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, if we go back to trial one, I'll drop

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01:25:45.319 --> 01:25:48.399
<v Speaker 1>a bomb here and just say, well, they twenty at

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01:25:48.520 --> 01:25:51.760
<v Speaker 1>least twenty five percent of their case was built on

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01:25:51.960 --> 01:25:52.800
<v Speaker 1>I did it.

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01:25:52.439 --> 01:25:52.760
<v Speaker 21>I did it.

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01:25:53.600 --> 01:25:55.479
<v Speaker 1>She admitted doing it. So if, in fact that she

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01:25:55.600 --> 01:26:00.199
<v Speaker 1>didn't do that and they didn't hear that, then she

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01:26:00.680 --> 01:26:07.880
<v Speaker 1>was pivotal in helping to create Karen as the actual

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01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:11.279
<v Speaker 1>perpetrator of this crime by saying I heard her say

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01:26:11.439 --> 01:26:13.239
<v Speaker 1>I did it, I did it, I did it, or

1418
01:26:13.279 --> 01:26:17.319
<v Speaker 1>however many times each changes with each repetition, So yeah,

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01:26:17.560 --> 01:26:20.760
<v Speaker 1>you guys may make great points as well. She lied

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01:26:20.800 --> 01:26:23.159
<v Speaker 1>and said that she didn't know Kevin Albert and if

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01:26:23.159 --> 01:26:25.399
<v Speaker 1>she went to high school, excuse me, Brian alb didn't

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01:26:25.439 --> 01:26:28.479
<v Speaker 1>know who he was, And she said, I went to

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01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:31.640
<v Speaker 1>high school with a person named So you should be

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01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:35.359
<v Speaker 1>ashamed of yourself. Kati McLaughlin, you do not deserve to

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01:26:35.439 --> 01:26:40.159
<v Speaker 1>wear a fireman's uniform or a police uniform the way

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01:26:40.159 --> 01:26:43.640
<v Speaker 1>that Kelly Dever doesn't deserve to wear a police uniform.

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01:26:44.039 --> 01:26:48.079
<v Speaker 1>Because you have you have basically taken the oath and

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01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:52.079
<v Speaker 1>done one hundred and eighty degrees from their pointing you north.

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01:26:52.439 --> 01:26:55.680
<v Speaker 1>You basically turned around and did south what your oath

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01:26:55.840 --> 01:26:58.520
<v Speaker 1>is supposed to be. So that's what I have to

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01:26:58.520 --> 01:26:59.319
<v Speaker 1>say to you. Now.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sorry. Dj I find it really bothersome to me

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01:27:03.680 --> 01:27:07.279
<v Speaker 5>as a female that there were there were a lot

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01:27:07.359 --> 01:27:12.079
<v Speaker 5>of females in this story, and maybe they all weren't

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01:27:12.399 --> 01:27:19.439
<v Speaker 5>fully highlighted in Richie's video. But you've got the Katie McLaughlin's,

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01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:24.039
<v Speaker 5>you've got the Kelly Devers. Then you've got the Sarah

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01:27:24.239 --> 01:27:28.520
<v Speaker 5>Levinson I think her name is, and Julie Nagel, plus

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01:27:28.640 --> 01:27:32.319
<v Speaker 5>Carrie Roberts. If I'm getting all the names right, these

1439
01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:37.000
<v Speaker 5>all women who I mean, everyone's a different person, but

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01:27:37.039 --> 01:27:40.439
<v Speaker 5>these are all women who allowed themselves to be manipulated

1441
01:27:40.960 --> 01:27:46.119
<v Speaker 5>to serve a particular purpose in this story, you know

1442
01:27:46.119 --> 01:27:49.000
<v Speaker 5>what I mean, Like whether it was they needed McLaughlin

1443
01:27:50.000 --> 01:27:52.239
<v Speaker 5>Katie to do the I hit him, I hit him,

1444
01:27:52.279 --> 01:27:55.159
<v Speaker 5>I hit him. They needed Julie Nagel to beat to

1445
01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:59.439
<v Speaker 5>see the quote blob on the front lawn. They needed

1446
01:28:00.119 --> 01:28:06.000
<v Speaker 5>Carrie Roberts to validate the I hit him, I hit him,

1447
01:28:06.000 --> 01:28:08.399
<v Speaker 5>I hit him statement. If I'm getting that right, I'm

1448
01:28:08.439 --> 01:28:11.720
<v Speaker 5>a little tired from travel, but she needed to validate

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01:28:12.079 --> 01:28:17.279
<v Speaker 5>Jen McCabe's story and then getting thrown in her face

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01:28:17.399 --> 01:28:20.800
<v Speaker 5>that she lied, and on that point, as I mentioned

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01:28:20.800 --> 01:28:25.039
<v Speaker 5>when it was airing, you know lies her intentional. So

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01:28:25.239 --> 01:28:29.279
<v Speaker 5>the fact that the fact that Carrie Roberts said that

1453
01:28:29.479 --> 01:28:33.159
<v Speaker 5>back to Alan Jackson during the trial, like well it

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01:28:33.279 --> 01:28:36.319
<v Speaker 5>wasn't intentional and got her feathers all ruffled over that.

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01:28:36.439 --> 01:28:37.840
<v Speaker 5>I think she made herself look.

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01:28:37.720 --> 01:28:41.119
<v Speaker 1>Worse, oh by saying that, Yeah.

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01:28:40.680 --> 01:28:42.840
<v Speaker 5>You know, a lie is a lie if you're going

1458
01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:44.680
<v Speaker 5>to say, well, I didn't intend to do it and

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01:28:44.760 --> 01:28:48.560
<v Speaker 5>it gets visibly angry at him.

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01:28:49.039 --> 01:28:49.239
<v Speaker 6>You know.

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01:28:49.319 --> 01:28:51.640
<v Speaker 5>I just find that it made it look worse for her.

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01:28:52.920 --> 01:28:55.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely do it. It looks like you have something. Go ahead, man.

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01:28:56.359 --> 01:28:58.800
<v Speaker 3>Well what I was going to mention too, going back

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01:28:58.840 --> 01:29:01.920
<v Speaker 3>to Kelly Dever, I think what's really underrated is that,

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01:29:02.039 --> 01:29:06.479
<v Speaker 3>out of all the towns in Massachusetts, she gets transferred

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01:29:06.560 --> 01:29:12.720
<v Speaker 3>to the Boston Police Department where Brian Albert was a

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01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:17.479
<v Speaker 3>veteran retired like how and she got a pay raise.

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01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:22.199
<v Speaker 3>So coincidentally she leaves Canton to go where John O'Keefe

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01:29:22.520 --> 01:29:26.279
<v Speaker 3>worked at the same place, same place as Brian Albert.

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01:29:26.399 --> 01:29:29.439
<v Speaker 3>Like that's just no, out of all the towns of

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01:29:29.520 --> 01:29:30.439
<v Speaker 3>mass come.

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<v Speaker 1>On, sketchy, sketchy. One thing. I just want to say.

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01:29:34.119 --> 01:29:36.399
<v Speaker 1>I want to answer someone who has this righty here

1474
01:29:37.640 --> 01:29:43.840
<v Speaker 1>someone said here Okay, mob run town. So in my town,

1475
01:29:44.600 --> 01:29:49.239
<v Speaker 1>the two big families were the Blakeley's and the Marchiatis.

1476
01:29:49.880 --> 01:29:54.760
<v Speaker 1>And I never ever got the sense with the local

1477
01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:58.159
<v Speaker 1>state police, and the state police had a trooper barracks

1478
01:29:58.199 --> 01:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>that was very very close to my mind high school

1479
01:30:01.199 --> 01:30:05.399
<v Speaker 1>walking distance for sure. And I never got the sense

1480
01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:08.880
<v Speaker 1>that the Blakely's or the Margiadas were going to be

1481
01:30:08.920 --> 01:30:11.439
<v Speaker 1>treated and those are two of the powerful families in

1482
01:30:12.039 --> 01:30:14.439
<v Speaker 1>my town, that they were going to be treated differently

1483
01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:17.199
<v Speaker 1>than anybody else who is going to get arrested. So

1484
01:30:17.600 --> 01:30:22.199
<v Speaker 1>what's happening here is not common, I think, and certainly

1485
01:30:22.239 --> 01:30:24.439
<v Speaker 1>not to this level. And there always has to be

1486
01:30:24.520 --> 01:30:27.800
<v Speaker 1>a line that if somebody does something, there's a traffic thing.

1487
01:30:28.079 --> 01:30:30.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've been pulled over as a military guy

1488
01:30:30.600 --> 01:30:33.319
<v Speaker 1>and had police let me off because a Miltay, you

1489
01:30:33.359 --> 01:30:36.079
<v Speaker 1>were speeding or whatever. You didn't come to complete stop,

1490
01:30:36.119 --> 01:30:38.039
<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna let you go because you're in uniform

1491
01:30:38.119 --> 01:30:40.680
<v Speaker 1>or whatever. And police do that for one another. And

1492
01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:44.279
<v Speaker 1>I really don't have a problem with professional courtesy. Yeah,

1493
01:30:44.319 --> 01:30:47.479
<v Speaker 1>when there's a Boston police officer who's found dead on

1494
01:30:47.520 --> 01:30:51.319
<v Speaker 1>a lawn, that's when you dispense with professional courtesy. You've

1495
01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:58.159
<v Speaker 1>crossed a line into abject criminality at the felony level,

1496
01:30:58.720 --> 01:31:01.760
<v Speaker 1>and you just and I just like Chris Albert and

1497
01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:04.800
<v Speaker 1>even I don't know that that was a misdemeanor when

1498
01:31:05.039 --> 01:31:07.039
<v Speaker 1>Tim Albert hit that woman in the rear and then

1499
01:31:07.119 --> 01:31:09.079
<v Speaker 1>left the scene. I mean, there's a guy I'm just

1500
01:31:09.119 --> 01:31:12.199
<v Speaker 1>gonna tell you guys real quickly. Heavyweight champion of the UFC,

1501
01:31:12.279 --> 01:31:15.359
<v Speaker 1>John Jones, he has had since he moved out to

1502
01:31:15.399 --> 01:31:19.319
<v Speaker 1>Albuquerque to train at Jackson's Mma, he has had two

1503
01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:23.880
<v Speaker 1>incidents where he hit somebody and disabled his vehicle. And

1504
01:31:23.960 --> 01:31:28.079
<v Speaker 1>on both incidents, including what a month ago, a retired

1505
01:31:28.520 --> 01:31:32.720
<v Speaker 1>APD officer coach Cris Latrell sent me this video. He

1506
01:31:32.760 --> 01:31:35.920
<v Speaker 1>gets out of the car and runs. He does exactly

1507
01:31:36.000 --> 01:31:38.760
<v Speaker 1>the same as what the Alberts do. He gets in

1508
01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:42.800
<v Speaker 1>an accident, cars disabled and he gets out of the

1509
01:31:42.800 --> 01:31:45.560
<v Speaker 1>car and he runs away. He had like a stripper

1510
01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:48.079
<v Speaker 1>in the car or something like that, and she's left

1511
01:31:48.079 --> 01:31:50.239
<v Speaker 1>to tell the police what happened. The police like, what happened.

1512
01:31:50.359 --> 01:31:52.479
<v Speaker 1>I was in here with the heavy with John Jones,

1513
01:31:52.520 --> 01:31:54.079
<v Speaker 1>and we hit the lady and he got out of

1514
01:31:54.119 --> 01:31:56.279
<v Speaker 1>the car and he ran away. He did the exact

1515
01:31:56.279 --> 01:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>same thing, like a decade ago. Nan take it.

1516
01:31:58.560 --> 01:32:04.359
<v Speaker 5>Away, and I think about the environment of this town

1517
01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:08.039
<v Speaker 5>and or this county or community. And then we hear

1518
01:32:08.279 --> 01:32:14.600
<v Speaker 5>from this confidential source that micro dots has uncovered or

1519
01:32:14.640 --> 01:32:16.920
<v Speaker 5>maybe it was turtle Boy who found the source and

1520
01:32:17.000 --> 01:32:19.199
<v Speaker 5>brought it to micro dots, because it does seem like

1521
01:32:19.239 --> 01:32:22.319
<v Speaker 5>there's the two of them work a little bit in

1522
01:32:22.359 --> 01:32:28.439
<v Speaker 5>tandem in terms of gathering content. So now we have

1523
01:32:28.640 --> 01:32:32.479
<v Speaker 5>the disclosure of a source who I don't remember what

1524
01:32:32.760 --> 01:32:36.880
<v Speaker 5>the source was. He was tweeting something out about this accident,

1525
01:32:36.960 --> 01:32:39.279
<v Speaker 5>I don't remember. For some reason I thought he might

1526
01:32:39.319 --> 01:32:42.000
<v Speaker 5>have been in the media, but maybe he wasn't. And

1527
01:32:42.039 --> 01:32:46.720
<v Speaker 5>then Berkowitz, former chief, the late former chief Berkowitz calls

1528
01:32:46.800 --> 01:32:49.359
<v Speaker 5>him or reaches out to him and says, you got

1529
01:32:49.399 --> 01:32:52.119
<v Speaker 5>to take that down. He's a friend and he's a

1530
01:32:52.159 --> 01:32:56.199
<v Speaker 5>pillar of the community. That is entirely improper for the

1531
01:32:56.279 --> 01:32:59.600
<v Speaker 5>chief of police to do that. It also infringes on

1532
01:32:59.680 --> 01:33:03.680
<v Speaker 5>First Amendment rights. But holding all of that aside, I

1533
01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:06.800
<v Speaker 5>find it a little ridiculous. I guess it would be

1534
01:33:06.800 --> 01:33:10.560
<v Speaker 5>the best word to say that for someone like Brian Albert,

1535
01:33:10.560 --> 01:33:14.520
<v Speaker 5>who's a pillar of the community and who perceivably had

1536
01:33:14.640 --> 01:33:18.159
<v Speaker 5>so much influence in that community, but he packs up

1537
01:33:18.239 --> 01:33:21.760
<v Speaker 5>and leaves and moves to Maine, if I understood correctly,

1538
01:33:21.880 --> 01:33:23.720
<v Speaker 5>or you know, I think I heard he's living up

1539
01:33:23.720 --> 01:33:26.000
<v Speaker 5>in Main now, so and I think it's only a

1540
01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:29.960
<v Speaker 5>matter of time before Chris Albert, well, he's going to

1541
01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:33.760
<v Speaker 5>get dethroned from the Canton select Board. I'm going to

1542
01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:38.199
<v Speaker 5>forecast that, but he'll be gone too. So all in all,

1543
01:33:38.319 --> 01:33:42.880
<v Speaker 5>when you're post two point zero verdict, you'll start to

1544
01:33:42.960 --> 01:33:46.079
<v Speaker 5>see everyone will start to see that they're going to

1545
01:33:46.159 --> 01:33:48.399
<v Speaker 5>all start to move on because they can't be this

1546
01:33:48.680 --> 01:33:53.880
<v Speaker 5>influential power of the community there now and not just

1547
01:33:54.000 --> 01:33:57.960
<v Speaker 5>now whispered about they have not been vindicated. No one

1548
01:33:58.039 --> 01:34:01.399
<v Speaker 5>took their interview on what I for news outlet that

1549
01:34:01.680 --> 01:34:06.199
<v Speaker 5>was seriously and they'll all leave an exit stage left,

1550
01:34:06.479 --> 01:34:11.239
<v Speaker 5>quietly and at different times. So, but I did also

1551
01:34:11.239 --> 01:34:13.880
<v Speaker 5>want to mention one of those spoke to you both before,

1552
01:34:13.960 --> 01:34:18.399
<v Speaker 5>and I don't want to interrupt Fia, but I found

1553
01:34:18.439 --> 01:34:21.800
<v Speaker 5>it very interesting in this video where you have Chief

1554
01:34:21.920 --> 01:34:26.279
<v Speaker 5>Rafferty or she's also the former chief, because now there's

1555
01:34:26.279 --> 01:34:31.199
<v Speaker 5>an interim chief in you had Chief Rafferty and so

1556
01:34:31.239 --> 01:34:35.800
<v Speaker 5>she's a law enforcement and meet Paul Morrissey, the prosecutor,

1557
01:34:35.920 --> 01:34:41.000
<v Speaker 5>giving public statements which we've all heard before, where they

1558
01:34:41.399 --> 01:34:45.880
<v Speaker 5>were choosing a side. They were absolutely saying, no, there's

1559
01:34:45.960 --> 01:34:48.439
<v Speaker 5>no evidence of this, or my kids will look at

1560
01:34:48.439 --> 01:34:52.399
<v Speaker 5>me and determine that I have integrity and I found

1561
01:34:52.399 --> 01:34:56.399
<v Speaker 5>no evidence of any cover up. I'll go further to say,

1562
01:34:56.560 --> 01:35:00.520
<v Speaker 5>as has been discussed very robustly on the stream that

1563
01:35:00.640 --> 01:35:03.520
<v Speaker 5>I watch over the last couple of years, you have

1564
01:35:03.600 --> 01:35:09.920
<v Speaker 5>the hostage video from Morrissey, which is ethically unsound. It

1565
01:35:10.000 --> 01:35:13.920
<v Speaker 5>is violative of the rules of professional conduct. He should

1566
01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:16.079
<v Speaker 5>not be saying things like that. He should not be

1567
01:35:16.279 --> 01:35:21.600
<v Speaker 5>commenting on any witness's credibility or the guilt or innocence

1568
01:35:21.720 --> 01:35:26.560
<v Speaker 5>of any party in a matter. But with the juxtaposition

1569
01:35:26.640 --> 01:35:34.079
<v Speaker 5>of Rafferty and Morrissey saying things publicly trying to shift

1570
01:35:34.359 --> 01:35:39.119
<v Speaker 5>the mindset of the community, it's unheard of. And by

1571
01:35:39.119 --> 01:35:42.199
<v Speaker 5>the way, those were two, in my opinion, very nuclear

1572
01:35:43.000 --> 01:35:47.760
<v Speaker 5>options that were taken, whether it was by Morrissey or

1573
01:35:47.800 --> 01:35:51.239
<v Speaker 5>the Mcalberts, but those were two big bombs to drop.

1574
01:35:51.319 --> 01:35:53.279
<v Speaker 5>Let's have the chief of police go out there on

1575
01:35:53.319 --> 01:35:55.800
<v Speaker 5>a limb and say it and let's have Morrissey go

1576
01:35:55.880 --> 01:36:00.880
<v Speaker 5>out there and record this hostage video. So you know,

1577
01:36:01.239 --> 01:36:05.680
<v Speaker 5>I think, all in all, when when everything is said

1578
01:36:05.760 --> 01:36:10.640
<v Speaker 5>and done, after the things start to work themselves out

1579
01:36:10.680 --> 01:36:13.399
<v Speaker 5>with the civil lawsuit, I'm not talking about the nineteen

1580
01:36:13.479 --> 01:36:16.760
<v Speaker 5>eighty three action. I'm talking about the wrongful death action

1581
01:36:16.920 --> 01:36:21.439
<v Speaker 5>involving the accident, the car accident itself, which Alan Jackson

1582
01:36:21.560 --> 01:36:26.039
<v Speaker 5>and Eliza Little have joined that team. Some point after

1583
01:36:26.159 --> 01:36:32.319
<v Speaker 5>that and possibly before a nineteen eighty three action is

1584
01:36:32.359 --> 01:36:35.920
<v Speaker 5>filed or after it, you're going to start to see

1585
01:36:36.000 --> 01:36:39.840
<v Speaker 5>all of the dominoes fall. And then I'm sorry, I

1586
01:36:39.880 --> 01:36:43.199
<v Speaker 5>got to ramble because I have such strong opinions. I

1587
01:36:43.199 --> 01:36:46.079
<v Speaker 5>don't want to interrupt thea. Although she hasn't spoken because

1588
01:36:46.079 --> 01:36:48.239
<v Speaker 5>I didn't let her get a word in edgewise. It's

1589
01:36:48.279 --> 01:36:48.680
<v Speaker 5>all good.

1590
01:36:48.720 --> 01:36:49.760
<v Speaker 3>We love listening to you.

1591
01:36:51.359 --> 01:36:54.079
<v Speaker 5>By the way, when I was in Disney, some people

1592
01:36:54.159 --> 01:36:57.760
<v Speaker 5>from Boston came up to me and they recognized my

1593
01:36:57.880 --> 01:37:01.159
<v Speaker 5>voice and they said wow. And I said to myself,

1594
01:37:01.159 --> 01:37:03.640
<v Speaker 5>I must talk a lot. But anyway, they didn't tell

1595
01:37:03.680 --> 01:37:04.399
<v Speaker 5>me I talked a lot.

1596
01:37:04.439 --> 01:37:06.239
<v Speaker 1>But oh, you've been on a lot of shows. I mean,

1597
01:37:06.399 --> 01:37:09.920
<v Speaker 1>it's I get around reason. Yeah, you've been on big shows.

1598
01:37:10.119 --> 01:37:12.920
<v Speaker 5>So yeah, yeah, calling all beings.

1599
01:37:12.680 --> 01:37:16.600
<v Speaker 1>No a good show, but you have been on big shows.

1600
01:37:16.760 --> 01:37:20.039
<v Speaker 5>I did want I did want to mention to you guys,

1601
01:37:20.159 --> 01:37:26.760
<v Speaker 5>the fact that micro dots comments on the the look

1602
01:37:27.600 --> 01:37:31.000
<v Speaker 5>and appearance of some of these witnesses, which to me

1603
01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:36.840
<v Speaker 5>is substantive Jen McCabe, in my opinion, it may not

1604
01:37:36.880 --> 01:37:41.680
<v Speaker 5>be that of the show. Jen McCabe did look emaciated

1605
01:37:41.720 --> 01:37:46.399
<v Speaker 5>in June of twenty twenty three when you overlay that

1606
01:37:46.920 --> 01:37:50.119
<v Speaker 5>on top of the timeline, which is she gets visited

1607
01:37:50.119 --> 01:37:55.039
<v Speaker 5>by the FBI, which no one buys her story whatsoever.

1608
01:37:56.199 --> 01:37:59.640
<v Speaker 5>And then shortly before that, I think he said it

1609
01:37:59.680 --> 01:38:02.840
<v Speaker 5>was that week or within a week before that, Turtle

1610
01:38:02.920 --> 01:38:07.680
<v Speaker 5>Boy dropped an article on this. Although I'm going by

1611
01:38:07.760 --> 01:38:13.520
<v Speaker 5>memory right now that all put its put the ingredients

1612
01:38:13.560 --> 01:38:18.520
<v Speaker 5>in play for her to look unwell and stressed and worried.

1613
01:38:18.680 --> 01:38:21.000
<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you one thing, if the FBI was coming

1614
01:38:21.119 --> 01:38:24.960
<v Speaker 5>to my driveway, and as you said before, DJ, you

1615
01:38:25.079 --> 01:38:27.239
<v Speaker 5>know who you know, you may not know their FBI,

1616
01:38:27.399 --> 01:38:31.680
<v Speaker 5>but they don't come looking like they're selling vacuums or encyclopedias.

1617
01:38:31.840 --> 01:38:34.680
<v Speaker 1>So a federal vehicle, it's going to have US government.

1618
01:38:34.680 --> 01:38:36.960
<v Speaker 1>First of all, it's going to have a US government

1619
01:38:37.000 --> 01:38:38.560
<v Speaker 1>played on the front and the rear.

1620
01:38:38.960 --> 01:38:39.239
<v Speaker 5>Yep.

1621
01:38:39.439 --> 01:38:42.640
<v Speaker 1>And there's most likely embedded blue lights in the grill.

1622
01:38:43.600 --> 01:38:46.760
<v Speaker 1>So and just to what Nony's Treasure House is saying here,

1623
01:38:47.359 --> 01:38:50.039
<v Speaker 1>Judge Judith Shinlan of Brooklyn, New York, who I know

1624
01:38:50.159 --> 01:38:53.439
<v Speaker 1>Nan is very familiar with. Judge Judy always says, if

1625
01:38:53.439 --> 01:38:55.000
<v Speaker 1>you tell the truth, you don't have to have a

1626
01:38:55.000 --> 01:39:00.399
<v Speaker 1>good memory. Yep, if you tell the truth, all of

1627
01:39:00.439 --> 01:39:05.199
<v Speaker 1>you ladies a diver, that other knucklehead who was yelling

1628
01:39:05.199 --> 01:39:08.840
<v Speaker 1>at Alan Jackson, Carrie Roberts, he tell the truth, You're

1629
01:39:08.840 --> 01:39:11.279
<v Speaker 1>don't have to have a good memory. So those were

1630
01:39:11.399 --> 01:39:13.479
<v Speaker 1>those were the only notes I really took was that

1631
01:39:14.159 --> 01:39:18.279
<v Speaker 1>most certainly Jen McKay believes that she forgot who she

1632
01:39:18.439 --> 01:39:21.800
<v Speaker 1>called ten minutes ago. That's another thing that Judge Judy calls.

1633
01:39:21.880 --> 01:39:24.039
<v Speaker 1>You're you're pretty young. I mean, it wasn't that long ago.

1634
01:39:24.119 --> 01:39:27.640
<v Speaker 1>Surely you remember, uh. And there's no question that when

1635
01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:30.359
<v Speaker 1>those guys get out of their vehicle, it's like when

1636
01:39:30.479 --> 01:39:34.119
<v Speaker 1>when when when Bukake gets out of his vehicle? Moron

1637
01:39:34.720 --> 01:39:36.800
<v Speaker 1>power hungry guy that I'm going to have a talk

1638
01:39:36.840 --> 01:39:41.239
<v Speaker 1>with tomorrow night, that he is you know that he's

1639
01:39:41.239 --> 01:39:45.079
<v Speaker 1>a police officer. We're not all stupid. You can see

1640
01:39:45.359 --> 01:39:48.600
<v Speaker 1>that this is an official, a person of power. And

1641
01:39:48.680 --> 01:39:51.680
<v Speaker 1>if you think he looks like that, can you imagine

1642
01:39:51.840 --> 01:39:54.880
<v Speaker 1>FBI agents with blazers. What do you think they're from

1643
01:39:54.920 --> 01:39:59.520
<v Speaker 1>fucking Electra Luxe coming to sell you the latest vacuum, Like,

1644
01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:02.760
<v Speaker 1>we're not idiots. They don't.

1645
01:40:03.760 --> 01:40:06.479
<v Speaker 3>And certainly doesn't look like the ice cream track and it.

1646
01:40:06.439 --> 01:40:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Doesn't look yeah, and they're not you know, I don't

1647
01:40:08.920 --> 01:40:13.439
<v Speaker 1>know if they don't sell like funking' wagonles Encyclopedia's door

1648
01:40:13.479 --> 01:40:16.560
<v Speaker 1>to door anymore. You could see it was a US

1649
01:40:16.720 --> 01:40:20.720
<v Speaker 1>government vehicle when they pulled in the driveway. We're not

1650
01:40:21.119 --> 01:40:24.800
<v Speaker 1>all stupid, and you fucking moron.

1651
01:40:25.199 --> 01:40:28.239
<v Speaker 5>By the way, I'm loving the profanity, which you don't

1652
01:40:28.359 --> 01:40:32.119
<v Speaker 5>use very often a thought, but it's like my love language, DJ,

1653
01:40:33.159 --> 01:40:37.000
<v Speaker 5>and I definitely am inspired to get a We're not

1654
01:40:37.239 --> 01:40:40.720
<v Speaker 5>all stupid made into a T shirt. I really like,

1655
01:40:40.840 --> 01:40:44.439
<v Speaker 5>I never thought of it that way in such a

1656
01:40:44.479 --> 01:40:47.520
<v Speaker 5>succinct way until you started saying it tonight. And if

1657
01:40:47.600 --> 01:40:50.640
<v Speaker 5>you just think about Jen McCabe's story that she tried

1658
01:40:50.680 --> 01:40:55.159
<v Speaker 5>to sell to this jury and just thank god this

1659
01:40:55.359 --> 01:40:59.479
<v Speaker 5>jury did not lap that up like a cat laps

1660
01:40:59.560 --> 01:41:02.960
<v Speaker 5>milk up like thank god they had common sense. But

1661
01:41:03.000 --> 01:41:05.479
<v Speaker 5>if you think about it, she's trying to spin that

1662
01:41:05.600 --> 01:41:10.880
<v Speaker 5>the FEDS who came up to her, and she didn't

1663
01:41:10.920 --> 01:41:14.199
<v Speaker 5>lie to them about who she called or whether she

1664
01:41:14.319 --> 01:41:17.640
<v Speaker 5>called anyone. In addition to that, not only was it

1665
01:41:18.079 --> 01:41:22.359
<v Speaker 5>shortly before, but was pretty contemporaneous between when when she

1666
01:41:22.479 --> 01:41:25.880
<v Speaker 5>called these people and when she actually spoke to the

1667
01:41:25.880 --> 01:41:29.960
<v Speaker 5>FEDS and then lied to them. But she called five people.

1668
01:41:30.079 --> 01:41:32.560
<v Speaker 5>I can't even remember all it was like Brian Albert,

1669
01:41:32.960 --> 01:41:39.800
<v Speaker 5>Kerrie Roberts, missus o'keef, her husband, and maybe your Chad

1670
01:41:39.840 --> 01:41:43.720
<v Speaker 5>will have to more. I don't believe it was some

1671
01:41:44.000 --> 01:41:49.000
<v Speaker 5>advocate Steve Nelson, or think maybe that was who she called.

1672
01:41:49.039 --> 01:41:52.920
<v Speaker 5>I think the Prosecutor's office. But I think conveniently for her,

1673
01:41:53.479 --> 01:41:57.640
<v Speaker 5>she probably spun that into I called Steve Nelson. I

1674
01:41:57.640 --> 01:42:02.000
<v Speaker 5>can't believe I remember that after a long day of travel.

1675
01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:06.840
<v Speaker 5>But with that said, there's no way if she couldn't

1676
01:42:06.920 --> 01:42:11.199
<v Speaker 5>remember that she called five people and tell the FEDS that,

1677
01:42:11.319 --> 01:42:15.079
<v Speaker 5>then her memory is just as bad as Kelly Dever's

1678
01:42:15.199 --> 01:42:19.159
<v Speaker 5>memory is. So as you say, DJ, we're not all that.

1679
01:42:19.319 --> 01:42:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Stupid No not, we're not. I'm gonna get bea in

1680
01:42:24.960 --> 01:42:28.680
<v Speaker 1>here because I gotta get you gotta start shutting the

1681
01:42:28.720 --> 01:42:31.239
<v Speaker 1>show down because I'm at an hour and forty five.

1682
01:42:32.239 --> 01:42:34.560
<v Speaker 1>But go ahead, Bia, Let's get your thoughts on what

1683
01:42:35.000 --> 01:42:38.720
<v Speaker 1>struck you about what she saw in this incredible film

1684
01:42:38.920 --> 01:42:40.800
<v Speaker 1>by Richie micro Dots.

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01:42:41.000 --> 01:42:44.399
<v Speaker 3>All right, so we won't address the regular morons, but

1686
01:42:44.520 --> 01:42:47.239
<v Speaker 3>you know what I do want to when I felt

1687
01:42:47.239 --> 01:42:50.119
<v Speaker 3>so bad when I saw Rita get up and speak,

1688
01:42:50.199 --> 01:42:52.399
<v Speaker 3>because you know what it brings me back to. These

1689
01:42:52.439 --> 01:42:56.800
<v Speaker 3>are people living in Canton, who is It's a very

1690
01:42:56.880 --> 01:43:00.800
<v Speaker 3>nice town, and it's so sad that they're that they

1691
01:43:00.800 --> 01:43:03.399
<v Speaker 3>feel like they can't call the police, that they have

1692
01:43:03.520 --> 01:43:06.399
<v Speaker 3>no faith in there. You know that they're ever going

1693
01:43:06.479 --> 01:43:07.960
<v Speaker 3>to get help if they have to call.

1694
01:43:07.920 --> 01:43:08.680
<v Speaker 14>Nine one one.

1695
01:43:09.600 --> 01:43:11.199
<v Speaker 3>So I just you know, I want to bring it

1696
01:43:11.239 --> 01:43:14.399
<v Speaker 3>back to you know, the Canton residence and what they've

1697
01:43:14.399 --> 01:43:18.239
<v Speaker 3>been dealing with, and the corruption and the bad name

1698
01:43:18.319 --> 01:43:20.760
<v Speaker 3>their town has gotten. A lot of these people have

1699
01:43:20.840 --> 01:43:25.000
<v Speaker 3>grown up there and now their town is known everywhere

1700
01:43:25.680 --> 01:43:29.479
<v Speaker 3>in the world and with a bad reputation. So you know,

1701
01:43:29.520 --> 01:43:33.560
<v Speaker 3>I just give my my thoughts and you know, well,

1702
01:43:33.640 --> 01:43:37.039
<v Speaker 3>wishes to the Canton residents who have been dealing with

1703
01:43:37.079 --> 01:43:39.800
<v Speaker 3>this for a long time, and my heart goes out

1704
01:43:39.840 --> 01:43:40.640
<v Speaker 3>to them.

1705
01:43:41.520 --> 01:43:44.600
<v Speaker 1>My question for Nan, I have one one last question,

1706
01:43:44.680 --> 01:43:48.000
<v Speaker 1>because I think I've granted enough, and it's really these

1707
01:43:48.039 --> 01:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>people that make me curse. I really don't want to

1708
01:43:50.000 --> 01:43:53.239
<v Speaker 1>curse on air, but when somebody's trying to bullshit me,

1709
01:43:53.239 --> 01:43:54.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's because I'm a New Yorker,

1710
01:43:55.239 --> 01:43:58.800
<v Speaker 1>something comes out of me that you think that you're

1711
01:43:58.920 --> 01:44:03.399
<v Speaker 1>so smart and I'm so stupid that you can say

1712
01:44:03.439 --> 01:44:08.600
<v Speaker 1>something so patently ridiculous. Because what Nan said earlier, the

1713
01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:12.840
<v Speaker 1>time between when Jen was asked those questions and when

1714
01:44:12.880 --> 01:44:16.840
<v Speaker 1>she made those calls could be measured in seconds and

1715
01:44:16.880 --> 01:44:20.600
<v Speaker 1>not minutes, not even minutes. Seconds, you could measure that,

1716
01:44:21.159 --> 01:44:24.399
<v Speaker 1>and yet she still thinks that we're dumb enough. That

1717
01:44:24.399 --> 01:44:28.359
<v Speaker 1>means you, Jen, think you're smarter than me DJ And

1718
01:44:28.520 --> 01:44:32.039
<v Speaker 1>while I don't think I'm very smart, I'm smarter than

1719
01:44:32.079 --> 01:44:35.000
<v Speaker 1>you obviously, because I don't believe you, or at least

1720
01:44:35.039 --> 01:44:37.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm smart enough not to believe you. Even if you're

1721
01:44:37.479 --> 01:44:40.119
<v Speaker 1>smarter than me, you're not smart enough to fool me

1722
01:44:40.520 --> 01:44:44.960
<v Speaker 1>or bs me. Nan, do you from a psychology standpoint.

1723
01:44:45.039 --> 01:44:47.039
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if this is there's anything that you

1724
01:44:47.159 --> 01:44:51.399
<v Speaker 1>studied in law, that you guys discussed in working groups

1725
01:44:51.479 --> 01:44:57.680
<v Speaker 1>or at seminars whereby someone can try to convince themselves

1726
01:44:57.680 --> 01:45:00.960
<v Speaker 1>of a lie, and that I a message right now

1727
01:45:01.000 --> 01:45:04.279
<v Speaker 1>from Canton, BIA. Thank you for saying that, I'm getting

1728
01:45:04.279 --> 01:45:06.920
<v Speaker 1>a message from a Canton resident. Thank you for bringing

1729
01:45:06.920 --> 01:45:09.119
<v Speaker 1>that up, because we forget that, and we can't forget that.

1730
01:45:09.720 --> 01:45:09.880
<v Speaker 6>Nan.

1731
01:45:10.119 --> 01:45:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Are people like Jen and this woman, Katie McLaughlin and

1732
01:45:16.920 --> 01:45:23.159
<v Speaker 1>Carrie Roberts are they able to convince themselves that this

1733
01:45:23.359 --> 01:45:26.800
<v Speaker 1>lie is true? Like they'll tell them, they'll go to

1734
01:45:26.840 --> 01:45:28.920
<v Speaker 1>bed and they'll repeat them or do you think they

1735
01:45:29.079 --> 01:45:32.039
<v Speaker 1>know that they're lying every second of every day.

1736
01:45:32.880 --> 01:45:35.840
<v Speaker 5>Well, it's a great question. I would tell you. You know,

1737
01:45:36.279 --> 01:45:40.159
<v Speaker 5>I'm not a psychologist, I'm not a behaviorist, but I

1738
01:45:40.199 --> 01:45:45.520
<v Speaker 5>will but lawyers actually in certain states are qualified to

1739
01:45:45.560 --> 01:45:50.159
<v Speaker 5>give psychological guidance to clients, and I in fact do that.

1740
01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:54.760
<v Speaker 5>But the nuance of your question befuddles me. I don't know.

1741
01:45:55.199 --> 01:45:58.479
<v Speaker 5>I would have to believe. I've watched enough true crime

1742
01:45:58.680 --> 01:46:02.439
<v Speaker 5>specials on YouTube and some of the mainstream channels to

1743
01:46:02.479 --> 01:46:06.560
<v Speaker 5>say I think if you tell a lie enough you'll

1744
01:46:06.600 --> 01:46:10.279
<v Speaker 5>start to believe it or the truth becomes diluted. You

1745
01:46:10.439 --> 01:46:14.359
<v Speaker 5>just I think it would depend on one's personality traits,

1746
01:46:14.439 --> 01:46:19.039
<v Speaker 5>whether they're dominant, whether they're submissive, whether they're narcissists, you know,

1747
01:46:19.199 --> 01:46:23.640
<v Speaker 5>think about all of the different factors that play into it.

1748
01:46:24.479 --> 01:46:27.800
<v Speaker 5>And then also in addition to that with believing your

1749
01:46:27.960 --> 01:46:33.600
<v Speaker 5>lie over time, I think there also was undue influence

1750
01:46:33.720 --> 01:46:41.960
<v Speaker 5>that comes from whomever, whether it was from the prosecutors Brennan, Lally,

1751
01:46:42.399 --> 01:46:47.840
<v Speaker 5>McLaughlin right, and or between trial one point zero and

1752
01:46:47.880 --> 01:46:51.119
<v Speaker 5>Trial two point zero, there needed to be a change

1753
01:46:51.159 --> 01:46:54.039
<v Speaker 5>in some of the messaging. So I don't know, and

1754
01:46:54.079 --> 01:47:01.159
<v Speaker 5>I think I recall Richie said somewhere that nobody knows

1755
01:47:01.520 --> 01:47:07.079
<v Speaker 5>how how messaging was going around. Were their parties, were

1756
01:47:07.119 --> 01:47:11.439
<v Speaker 5>their meetings were nothing? Maybe nothing is in writing. How

1757
01:47:11.600 --> 01:47:16.279
<v Speaker 5>was certain messaging getting from And I'm speculating Morrissey's office

1758
01:47:16.439 --> 01:47:20.640
<v Speaker 5>or Bally or Brennan or McLaughlin to the key witnesses.

1759
01:47:21.640 --> 01:47:26.680
<v Speaker 5>Were things going through different Alberts, like, for example, Kevin Albert,

1760
01:47:26.720 --> 01:47:31.560
<v Speaker 5>who had reached out to Katie McLaughlin. So it's not

1761
01:47:31.680 --> 01:47:33.960
<v Speaker 5>just believing the lie because you tell it so much,

1762
01:47:34.039 --> 01:47:36.960
<v Speaker 5>but then throwing in the fact that the powers that

1763
01:47:37.079 --> 01:47:39.720
<v Speaker 5>be want you to subtly change it. I think that's

1764
01:47:39.760 --> 01:47:43.920
<v Speaker 5>also what happened to Kelly Dever. You know, she was

1765
01:47:44.319 --> 01:47:48.399
<v Speaker 5>probably well, She certainly was overly prepped on how to

1766
01:47:48.439 --> 01:47:51.960
<v Speaker 5>answer those questions about her false memory, and then it

1767
01:47:52.000 --> 01:47:56.920
<v Speaker 5>all just becomes this mosaic of like, if you look

1768
01:47:56.960 --> 01:48:00.159
<v Speaker 5>at it hard enough, as an intelligent person, which you

1769
01:48:00.199 --> 01:48:03.680
<v Speaker 5>are DJ and you too be a you see the truth.

1770
01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:06.119
<v Speaker 5>They can try to make it look as obscure as

1771
01:48:06.199 --> 01:48:09.840
<v Speaker 5>possible and make you feel like they're gaslighting you into

1772
01:48:09.880 --> 01:48:13.000
<v Speaker 5>believing something, But just stare at it long enough and

1773
01:48:13.039 --> 01:48:14.760
<v Speaker 5>it'll be self evident to you.

1774
01:48:16.000 --> 01:48:18.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like you know, like you said, Nan, we're not

1775
01:48:19.000 --> 01:48:24.079
<v Speaker 1>behaviorists or psychologists or psychiatrists that could diagnose sociopathy. So

1776
01:48:24.119 --> 01:48:26.800
<v Speaker 1>we don't and we don't know these persons, and we

1777
01:48:26.880 --> 01:48:30.119
<v Speaker 1>haven't interviewed them, we haven't seen all their body met

1778
01:48:30.199 --> 01:48:32.840
<v Speaker 1>you know. God forbids any one of them sad and

1779
01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:36.199
<v Speaker 1>interviewed with Sergio Dinaro because they wouldn't be able to

1780
01:48:36.199 --> 01:48:39.880
<v Speaker 1>get anything by him, because he knows from a professional perspective,

1781
01:48:40.199 --> 01:48:44.720
<v Speaker 1>he's like a government interrogator. Yeah, he's trained to detect

1782
01:48:44.840 --> 01:48:47.000
<v Speaker 1>lying without the use of the machinery.

1783
01:48:48.199 --> 01:48:51.359
<v Speaker 3>And obviously when they're answering and you can even see

1784
01:48:51.520 --> 01:48:54.760
<v Speaker 3>like Jen is a lot of the times no, as

1785
01:48:54.800 --> 01:49:00.239
<v Speaker 3>she's answering something. And then even in with McLoughlin, she's

1786
01:49:00.279 --> 01:49:03.760
<v Speaker 3>looking down like there's a certain like And again we're

1787
01:49:03.800 --> 01:49:07.399
<v Speaker 3>not behaviorist, but there's some tells that you can tell

1788
01:49:07.439 --> 01:49:09.319
<v Speaker 3>that they're not being you know, when you have to

1789
01:49:09.439 --> 01:49:13.920
<v Speaker 3>keep looking down like in shame, you're obviously not telling

1790
01:49:13.960 --> 01:49:14.520
<v Speaker 3>the truth.

1791
01:49:15.960 --> 01:49:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Val said it right here, your fellow attorney and retired

1792
01:49:18.560 --> 01:49:23.279
<v Speaker 1>attorney Val he La, the official attorney of Colingwell Beings, said,

1793
01:49:23.319 --> 01:49:26.399
<v Speaker 1>does Jenni is so used to burlaying others into agreeing

1794
01:49:26.439 --> 01:49:29.560
<v Speaker 1>with her that she's bewildered by the millions of us

1795
01:49:29.560 --> 01:49:32.119
<v Speaker 1>who saw right through her, Which is accurate.

1796
01:49:33.319 --> 01:49:34.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, very accurate.

1797
01:49:34.800 --> 01:49:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Yes, there's a story. Somebody from Canton told me a

1798
01:49:39.039 --> 01:49:42.159
<v Speaker 1>story about a woman And forgive me, Nan if you've

1799
01:49:42.199 --> 01:49:44.359
<v Speaker 1>heard this, I know he has heard it. A woman

1800
01:49:44.439 --> 01:49:47.439
<v Speaker 1>who came over. There were two women at jen another

1801
01:49:47.520 --> 01:49:50.680
<v Speaker 1>woman who's at Jenna Cape's house. A third woman, Kane.

1802
01:49:51.079 --> 01:49:53.359
<v Speaker 1>She offered that woman a beer. The woman said no,

1803
01:49:53.960 --> 01:49:56.039
<v Speaker 1>and as she walked in the kitchen, with the other woman.

1804
01:49:56.079 --> 01:49:57.640
<v Speaker 1>She said, watch, I'm going to get her to drink

1805
01:49:57.680 --> 01:50:00.600
<v Speaker 1>a beer. Manipulation is her thing. And then she did

1806
01:50:00.720 --> 01:50:02.399
<v Speaker 1>end up getting that woman to drink a beer. And

1807
01:50:02.439 --> 01:50:05.159
<v Speaker 1>it makes me sick that somebody would do that unless

1808
01:50:05.159 --> 01:50:08.000
<v Speaker 1>you're at like a frat party in college freshman year.

1809
01:50:08.039 --> 01:50:10.199
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get this guy to drink. But yeah, that

1810
01:50:10.800 --> 01:50:14.399
<v Speaker 1>Jen mckabe probably finds us to be sporting, but she's

1811
01:50:14.399 --> 01:50:18.119
<v Speaker 1>not very convincing at all. She's not even a good

1812
01:50:18.159 --> 01:50:23.399
<v Speaker 1>liar except for the weak minded, right, Like the Jedi

1813
01:50:23.520 --> 01:50:26.600
<v Speaker 1>says that when the Jedi goes like this and goes,

1814
01:50:27.039 --> 01:50:29.039
<v Speaker 1>we were never hear and he goes, that doesn't it

1815
01:50:29.079 --> 01:50:31.159
<v Speaker 1>works on the weak minded. It doesn't work on us,

1816
01:50:31.439 --> 01:50:33.199
<v Speaker 1>doesn't work on Joba the hut and stuff.

1817
01:50:33.239 --> 01:50:36.399
<v Speaker 5>You know, that's a good point. The weak minded. You

1818
01:50:36.439 --> 01:50:40.439
<v Speaker 5>know that they spit it, Brian Albert as well Jen mcabe.

1819
01:50:40.439 --> 01:50:44.600
<v Speaker 5>They spin their little tails, and the weak minded soak

1820
01:50:44.640 --> 01:50:47.159
<v Speaker 5>it up and fall for it. And I mean, I've

1821
01:50:47.199 --> 01:50:51.800
<v Speaker 5>seen that parallel in real life recently, where you'll have

1822
01:50:51.920 --> 01:50:57.119
<v Speaker 5>someone trying to exert to overly influence others to do

1823
01:50:58.079 --> 01:51:02.319
<v Speaker 5>or believe a certain story. So yeah, it doesn't work.

1824
01:51:02.399 --> 01:51:04.920
<v Speaker 5>And I think that's where you start to see and

1825
01:51:05.000 --> 01:51:08.600
<v Speaker 5>we'll start to see more of the unraveling that's going

1826
01:51:08.680 --> 01:51:11.039
<v Speaker 5>to come. I remember being on your show months ago

1827
01:51:11.119 --> 01:51:14.239
<v Speaker 5>saying there's going to be a reckoning that's going to come,

1828
01:51:14.479 --> 01:51:17.279
<v Speaker 5>and I think there still will be a reckoning now

1829
01:51:17.319 --> 01:51:19.359
<v Speaker 5>that we're on the other side of the verdict, and

1830
01:51:19.399 --> 01:51:21.800
<v Speaker 5>it was a favorable one. You were going to start

1831
01:51:21.840 --> 01:51:24.479
<v Speaker 5>to see more and more of the unraveling and the

1832
01:51:24.520 --> 01:51:27.359
<v Speaker 5>production of the emails that have come out that I

1833
01:51:27.399 --> 01:51:29.920
<v Speaker 5>started to see today is a good example of it.

1834
01:51:31.520 --> 01:51:35.159
<v Speaker 1>And I had the opportunity to to spend about an hour,

1835
01:51:35.840 --> 01:51:39.159
<v Speaker 1>maybe hour and a half on the phone with someone

1836
01:51:39.239 --> 01:51:43.439
<v Speaker 1>who was an underclassman at Canon High School when Jen

1837
01:51:43.720 --> 01:51:48.319
<v Speaker 1>went there. And I believe she's one grade or two

1838
01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:55.079
<v Speaker 1>grades younger than Jen. So she's from Obviously, she's from Canton.

1839
01:51:55.439 --> 01:51:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Obviously she's a woman in her forties. I'm not going

1840
01:51:57.640 --> 01:52:00.199
<v Speaker 1>to say who she is, but she did tell me

1841
01:52:00.560 --> 01:52:05.039
<v Speaker 1>a lot about that family, Jen and her family, and

1842
01:52:05.520 --> 01:52:09.640
<v Speaker 1>it's consistent with what you guys think about her, is

1843
01:52:09.760 --> 01:52:15.039
<v Speaker 1>consistent with what this woman knows about her, having went

1844
01:52:15.079 --> 01:52:17.640
<v Speaker 1>to school with her and watched her as an actor,

1845
01:52:18.640 --> 01:52:22.560
<v Speaker 1>and they're talking about Sergio Genaro's channels called truth Deville.

1846
01:52:22.600 --> 01:52:25.119
<v Speaker 1>He has already reviewed most of them and says they

1847
01:52:25.119 --> 01:52:27.680
<v Speaker 1>are lying. He's a great watch. Yeah he knows. I mean,

1848
01:52:27.720 --> 01:52:31.000
<v Speaker 1>he's interrogated terrorists, he knows what he's looking for. He's

1849
01:52:31.039 --> 01:52:34.479
<v Speaker 1>been he's been trained. So all right, we got to

1850
01:52:34.479 --> 01:52:38.640
<v Speaker 1>get out of here, guys. This has been a fantastic show. Nan.

1851
01:52:38.840 --> 01:52:43.560
<v Speaker 1>I can't thank you enough for joining us again. The

1852
01:52:43.600 --> 01:52:46.279
<v Speaker 1>audience just loves you. I mean, what can I say?

1853
01:52:46.760 --> 01:52:49.720
<v Speaker 5>Thanks guys. Always great to be here. I look forward

1854
01:52:49.720 --> 01:52:53.720
<v Speaker 5>to the next time. And I'm also I think there's

1855
01:52:53.840 --> 01:52:58.520
<v Speaker 5>some hearings coming up for Aiden. I know there's one

1856
01:52:58.600 --> 01:53:00.760
<v Speaker 5>next week. I can't get to it. I was going

1857
01:53:00.760 --> 01:53:04.039
<v Speaker 5>to get to it, but I now can't. But I'm

1858
01:53:04.159 --> 01:53:08.439
<v Speaker 5>happy to support any efforts you want to take for

1859
01:53:08.960 --> 01:53:13.159
<v Speaker 5>or make for Aiden, or any any advancements for Karen

1860
01:53:13.199 --> 01:53:16.119
<v Speaker 5>Reid moving forward, or if you ever need anything at all.

1861
01:53:16.439 --> 01:53:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Well just to talk to you. Yeah, so we will.

1862
01:53:18.840 --> 01:53:22.039
<v Speaker 1>It could be all the above. Haarra. I got to

1863
01:53:22.079 --> 01:53:23.760
<v Speaker 1>get my little baby Hara out of here.

1864
01:53:23.920 --> 01:53:24.479
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah.

1865
01:53:24.479 --> 01:53:27.680
<v Speaker 3>The hearing is Freiden's on the thirteen, so this coming.

1866
01:53:27.399 --> 01:53:31.439
<v Speaker 1>Wednesday, August. And what we do want to announce. So

1867
01:53:31.560 --> 01:53:36.439
<v Speaker 1>there will be a meal of food thinking October twelfth

1868
01:53:37.560 --> 01:53:40.680
<v Speaker 1>in Norwood at Irish Brewing Company. So there will be

1869
01:53:40.720 --> 01:53:45.079
<v Speaker 1>another meal of food such that we did in Detim

1870
01:53:45.119 --> 01:53:48.319
<v Speaker 1>and then we did one in we did one in Norwood,

1871
01:53:48.319 --> 01:53:50.000
<v Speaker 1>so we're going to do another one in Norwood because

1872
01:53:50.000 --> 01:53:54.079
<v Speaker 1>they were so awesome. So you'll see stuff come out

1873
01:53:54.079 --> 01:53:59.079
<v Speaker 1>on Twitter about that, and we'll probably get have some

1874
01:53:59.119 --> 01:54:00.960
<v Speaker 1>sort of a sign up just to have an idea

1875
01:54:01.319 --> 01:54:07.800
<v Speaker 1>of how many Kevin from South Boston, thank you very

1876
01:54:08.199 --> 01:54:11.239
<v Speaker 1>Sergio is amazing, he is, Thank you so much, Nan,

1877
01:54:11.359 --> 01:54:15.600
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Boston Bella, thank you chat As. I'm so

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01:54:15.680 --> 01:54:18.880
<v Speaker 1>glad that Haro didn't decide to hold on to my skin.

1879
01:54:19.239 --> 01:54:23.439
<v Speaker 1>So that was so October. I think it's gonna be

1880
01:54:23.640 --> 01:54:28.199
<v Speaker 1>October twelfth, the night of October twelfth, could be the thirteenth,

1881
01:54:28.199 --> 01:54:30.760
<v Speaker 1>if you guys like that better. But I'll call you

1882
01:54:30.840 --> 01:54:34.119
<v Speaker 1>Michelle and we can coordinate. Coordinate, as I said in

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01:54:34.159 --> 01:54:38.680
<v Speaker 1>boomerang with Eddie Murphy. All right on behalf of Nan

1884
01:54:38.800 --> 01:54:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Gallanher and Boston, Bia. This is DJ saying peace out,

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01:54:41.880 --> 01:54:43.840
<v Speaker 1>one love and we'll see you where.

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01:54:44.279 --> 01:54:46.079
<v Speaker 3>On the other side down the road.

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01:54:46.439 --> 01:54:47.199
<v Speaker 5>Bye guys,
