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Speaker 1: Turtle boy nay Sean, welcome back to the show. I'm
Speaker 1: your host DJ.
Speaker 3: And I'm your co host Boston Bia.
Speaker 1: Get a ay man right there. Uh, welcome back everybody.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: We're super excited that we have a special guest who
Speaker 1: has been going around uh with herd doing a soft tournament,
Speaker 1: went to one of my favorite places on earth where
Speaker 1: I can really act like myself a kid, Disney World,
Speaker 1: and she has come to help us to watch and
Speaker 1: comment on this amazing film by our friend Hey good
Speaker 1: evening three card three Clerk Monty, and we're gonna get
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get his YouTube posted up in the chat
Speaker 1: for Richie Microdots. So without further a dizzle part of people,
Speaker 1: don't waste no time putting him hands together for our
Speaker 1: homegirl Nnell.
Speaker 5: Girl, Gay guys, how are.
Speaker 1: You He's run more miles than I'm driving. Baby, there's a.
Speaker 5: Lot of miles on these tires with.
Speaker 1: The cap on. Is there a headband? Do you wear
Speaker 1: a sweatband?
Speaker 5: I wear like a lot of bandanas and scarves when
Speaker 5: I'm trapped, when I'm in Disney World, which I can
Speaker 5: at least every August on business and pleasure. So nice.
Speaker 5: But just the hat tonight.
Speaker 1: That's what's up, man. I mean that could be. That
Speaker 1: could be the sight of another law office of Nan
Speaker 1: Gallager in Orlando, Florida.
Speaker 5: Oh, it's gonna happen, right, Oh yeah, I'm I'm I'm
Speaker 5: Florida bar eligible. That is next on my list after Massachusetts.
Speaker 5: And no, for your audience, I'm not running for DA
Speaker 5: of Norfolk County.
Speaker 1: You're not. No, I thought you were gonna run against Hank.
Speaker 1: It was gonna be great. Well on the debate stage.
Speaker 5: Have you seen the picture like I think eight and
Speaker 5: posted a little like crappy shoes? Come on, I paid
Speaker 5: half a million dollars. You can't afford a decent pair
Speaker 5: of shoes.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 5: I I feel confident if I did run, I would win.
Speaker 5: But no, I'm I have I have my law practice
Speaker 5: of it, and I do believe Norfolk County is redeemable.
Speaker 5: But I can redeem it from the outside by criticizing it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really that's that's a really good point now,
Speaker 1: I mean, it certainly is redeemable. There have been many
Speaker 1: many politicians in the past that have been kind of
Speaker 1: like disgusting people who were corrupt and liars and like
Speaker 1: he is, and they're long since gone. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think that it's only a matter
Speaker 1: of time until someone comes in that's honest. It happened
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn with the whole Luis Garcela think. So if
Speaker 1: it happened in Brooklyn, I don't see why it couldn't
Speaker 1: happen in Norfolk County. It's just takes the right person.
Speaker 1: And that the DA in Brooklyn ended up he ended
Speaker 1: up investigating sort of the cases that the one before
Speaker 1: him prosecuted, cases that were done dishonestly, and they went
Speaker 1: and made up for it. I couldn't happen.
Speaker 5: I mean to the candidate who I think there are
Speaker 5: two that I had heard of that have thrown their
Speaker 5: hats in the ring. They've got to really keep it going.
Speaker 5: Step up this is they've missed opportunities already. But no,
Speaker 5: I'm not going to be one of them. But I
Speaker 5: definitely think with all of these cases that are percolating
Speaker 5: up there, and the intricacies and entanglement of various similar
Speaker 5: and same law enforcement personnel and prosecutors, it's time for
Speaker 5: candidates who are running for prosecutor to really start vocalizing
Speaker 5: their critiques and get out there, start standing out, start
Speaker 5: getting your name out there. Beyond like the very little
Speaker 5: I've seen, maybe there's a lot more going on locally,
Speaker 5: because you know, I'm down here in the metropolitan New Jersey,
Speaker 5: New York area, but they're already behind the eight ball.
Speaker 5: And what we're going to watch tonight is like a
Speaker 5: good example of how, you know, what happens with the
Speaker 5: prosecut heuter when they start messing around with law enforcement,
Speaker 5: how it's all entangled. This is a big job, big
Speaker 5: shoes have to be filled, and it's ripe for a
Speaker 5: dethronement of net Paul Morrissey.
Speaker 1: Yes, and as this comes out and people become aware
Speaker 1: of it, maybe there are people in Norfolk County who
Speaker 1: who were not aware of these things, who believed him.
Speaker 1: And now we'll maybe we'll read these things and say, hey,
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe this isn't so honest. So with that,
Speaker 1: let me allow me to read this to you and
Speaker 1: then we can get your reaction. This is your your friend,
Speaker 1: Mark Bedrow, we were doing a standout Mori's off. We're
Speaker 1: doing a standout at Morrissey's office three to five on Monday.
Speaker 1: That will be three pm through five pm because we
Speaker 1: don't want Dennis Sweeney up at three am at Hi, Jules,
Speaker 1: how are you? And seriously, how are you? And welcome back?
Speaker 1: So let let me read this and then and then
Speaker 1: let's take you.
Speaker 3: Lit it in so we don't see like your message?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let me uh, let me go to that
Speaker 1: and see if I can. Let's see if we can.
Speaker 1: How's this? Is that better?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 3: Now you're not sharing?
Speaker 1: Oh no, I am I should be sharing.
Speaker 3: No, it's just the three of us on screen.
Speaker 1: Let me see if I can to the stage and
Speaker 1: let me go back here. It seemed maybe when I
Speaker 1: zoom it doesn't like that.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 8: Let me see.
Speaker 1: Okay, did that? Is that what happened?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so just slide it over to.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, which this way?
Speaker 3: That's good?
Speaker 1: Okay, yep?
Speaker 5: Perfect?
Speaker 1: Better or law let's see. There are fair questions month
Speaker 1: to be raised about the District attorney strongly encouraging retention
Speaker 1: of an expert. I'm skidding them, dude, you're making today
Speaker 1: my throat does not feeling good. Uh, firm retention of
Speaker 1: an expert firm owned by a former MSP member he
Speaker 1: clearly knows well, particular after Trooper Paul's post first trial
Speaker 1: silly report and the obvious fact that Trooper Paul was
Speaker 1: comically unqualified to testify as a credible expert. We now
Speaker 1: know that aperture basically regurgitated falls report through an actual
Speaker 1: credentialed expert and the use of fingerpaint in paraphetical through
Speaker 1: that lens, the DA seeking use of an his MSP's
Speaker 1: friend friend's firm to quote see whether and this is
Speaker 1: in Italica, his guy can provide an opinion that might
Speaker 1: help the DA's case appears odd. Obviously, any retained expert
Speaker 1: is retained with the hope that they will credibly support
Speaker 1: that party's position. But when you factor in that the
Speaker 1: DA pushed an MSP friendly firm to essentially rubber stamp
Speaker 1: a dubious report by a discredited MSP trooper to the
Speaker 1: tune of four hunhundred thousand dollars, think about that. That's
Speaker 1: almost what Hank Brennan was paid for the entirety of
Speaker 1: taxpayer money. It is interesting left unknown did the DA
Speaker 1: personally recommend any other firms and or did his office
Speaker 1: seek other experts for the same subject matter. Take it
Speaker 1: away in Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hey guys listening. I was telling DJ and Bia
Speaker 5: that I've been traveling back from my business slash vacation today,
Speaker 5: so I didn't see all of this drop, including some
Speaker 5: of the emails that have been released, although I did
Speaker 5: see some of them, which is just comedic delight as
Speaker 5: far as I'm concerned. But I think Mark Betero has
Speaker 5: some great points here, and you know, with the caveat
Speaker 5: that I haven't read everything when an attorney, whether it's
Speaker 5: in a criminal matter or even in a civil matter,
Speaker 5: but let's stick to criminal because that's what this was.
Speaker 5: When a prosecutor puts his finger on the scale and
Speaker 5: tries to influence the direction of a particular expert by
Speaker 5: hand picking them, finding an expert that has Massachusetts State
Speaker 5: Police ties. I don't recall all of the specifics if
Speaker 5: something like that came out in terms of this is
Speaker 5: the individual who was tied to Morrissey and that's how
Speaker 5: they have this connection. But if there was a connection
Speaker 5: between the Massachusetts State Police and Morrissey, and then essentially,
Speaker 5: as Mark is saying here, you pick this firm or
Speaker 5: you strongly recommend this firm as prosecutor for the county
Speaker 5: to try to influence the direction that the decisions and
Speaker 5: opinions are going. That in and of itself presents not only,
Speaker 5: in my opinion, a conflict of interest, it's not also
Speaker 5: an objective opinion coming out of the expert. There is
Speaker 5: confirmation bias that's going to come from appert sure in
Speaker 5: this instance. Beyond that, though, as he had mentioned, there
Speaker 5: seems to have been a desire to quote unquote rubber
Speaker 5: stamp some of the decisions that were issued or offered
Speaker 5: by Trooper Paul, who was a complete joke in Trial
Speaker 5: one point zero. So I think when we came out
Speaker 5: of trial one point zero, and even before it concluded
Speaker 5: in a mistrial, everyone including the prosecution, would agree that
Speaker 5: Trooper Paul fell flat on his face. He not only
Speaker 5: prepared a shoddy report, but he also gave just heinous opinions.
Speaker 5: He was willfully underqualified to issue those opinions. So it
Speaker 5: doesn't surprise me that the decision to change quote unquote
Speaker 5: experts was made for trial two point zero. What a
Speaker 5: prosecutor cannot do is go out and say, let me
Speaker 5: find some other outfit or entity that's more qualified that
Speaker 5: will rubber stamp or bootstrap trooper Paul's shoddy opinions. Oh
Speaker 5: and by the way, I have some type of affinity
Speaker 5: with that particular company aperture that goes into the confirmation
Speaker 5: bias that I was talking about. When you look at
Speaker 5: what Morrissey has done here, it's jerry mandering of the
Speaker 5: expert opinions that have been issued for trial two point zero.
Speaker 5: I have no doubt that when Trial one point oh
Speaker 5: came around, Morrissey probably also did something very similar with
Speaker 5: Ian Wiffin and Jessica Hyde, where they knew the county
Speaker 5: knew that they could never concede that there was a
Speaker 5: Google search at two twenty seven am, so they shopped
Speaker 5: around to find experts who would absolutely dispel that opinion,
Speaker 5: come hell or high water. That's not the way experts
Speaker 5: are selected. Sure, you pick an expert, you say I
Speaker 5: want you. I'm hoping that you review this matter and
Speaker 5: you give me decisions and opinions that favor my position.
Speaker 5: But you don't start with your position and then shop
Speaker 5: around amongst experts for it. It's like putting the cart
Speaker 5: before the horse. A lot of nuance to this DJ
Speaker 5: and beia. But ultimately, if this is something that had
Speaker 5: come out in emails that were released only some of
Speaker 5: which I saw, and the ones I saw just made
Speaker 5: my head spin when I got off the plane today.
Speaker 5: This is showing complete impropriety on the part of Michael Morrissey.
Speaker 5: He is unfit to serve any longer as prosecutor in
Speaker 5: that county. And I dare say anyone who works in
Speaker 5: his office, because I think the last article or video
Speaker 5: I had seen, he's got approximately sixty five assistant DA's
Speaker 5: working for him. I've heard I've heard people say it's
Speaker 5: like one hundred and thirty something, but that's also including
Speaker 5: support staff. If he's got a team of sixty something
Speaker 5: assistant DA's working for him, Beyond Lally and McLaughlin, who
Speaker 5: are problems to be extreme in and of themselves, I
Speaker 5: look at and say everyone else who works in that office,
Speaker 5: who allows Meatball Morrissey to rule with impunity and just omnipotence,
Speaker 5: they all need to go. There needs to be a
Speaker 5: complete overhaul of that entire office.
Speaker 1: That was very comprehensive. You I had a question, but
Speaker 1: you know it was I want to first of all,
Speaker 1: before we get into this, I want to say to
Speaker 1: our our mod the cat lady is not feeling well,
Speaker 1: and I just want you to know that we caves
Speaker 1: are thinking about you. Hopefully you're watching, but I know
Speaker 1: you just has got to speak with you for a
Speaker 1: few minutes and I'm sorry that you haven't been feeling well,
Speaker 1: So we're thinking of you. On a second note, we
Speaker 1: are going to have coming up a rock and roll
Speaker 1: classic rock reaction episode and what that's gonna look like
Speaker 1: is we're gonna have Hank Ednie, the heavy metal guitar player.
Speaker 1: Of course, Nan would be invited to this if she
Speaker 1: was if she wanted to be be us gonna be there.
Speaker 1: We're probably gonna have a third person and I'm going
Speaker 1: to play a selection of classic rock videos YouTube videos
Speaker 1: live that they don't know what I'm gonna play, and
Speaker 1: then we're gonna get their reaction live to those songs
Speaker 1: and yours as well. We had a lot of fun
Speaker 1: doing the Ozzy Osbourne retrospective we did in Ozzie Black
Speaker 1: Sabbath retrospect retrospective with my friend heavy metal guitar player
Speaker 1: Hank Edney. As it turns out, Attorney Nan Gallagher is
Speaker 1: also a guitar player. So she was get an invitation
Speaker 1: uh to to that episode as well, because I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be fun to get y'all's reactions and none
Speaker 1: of you are gonna know what I'm gonna play.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well it depends on what it is. But
Speaker 5: I'm loving this.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, I'm gonna do another one of those. We
Speaker 1: had a lot of fun with that, and you never
Speaker 1: know what we're gonna do on CAB. Additionally, I am
Speaker 1: going to do a rant episode where I want to
Speaker 1: address directly, particularly Trooper Michael Procter, former Trooper Proctor, your Yoribukenich.
Speaker 1: I want to I would like to address Yori from Ukraine,
Speaker 1: and I also want to address uh I. May I
Speaker 1: may additionally address somebody we spoke about last time, Kelly
Speaker 1: Dever also known as Devera. So don't Kelly, don't call
Speaker 1: me Dever Diver or Kelly don't call me Dever dever.
Speaker 1: So anyway, so that's what's coming up, and Nan, can
Speaker 1: you before we're going about to start the micro Dots video, Hey, Boston, Biso,
Speaker 1: Brandy is here. Welcome. Can you real quickly what is
Speaker 1: it if you're a prosecutor, what does it look like
Speaker 1: when you solicit an expert witness. Honestly, can you briefly
Speaker 1: break that down for the crew, and then we're going
Speaker 1: to go into Richie micro Dots masterpiece.
Speaker 5: By the way, pardon my dog barking. Okay, my kids
Speaker 5: just got home. But I kind of just did that
Speaker 5: a little bit. So what prosecutor would do is they
Speaker 5: find they determine their theory of the case, and at
Speaker 5: some point you have to do that. You have to say,
Speaker 5: this is how I'm going to defend the or prosecute
Speaker 5: the case. So you say this, you know, we think
Speaker 5: that the car backed up at this many miles per hour,
Speaker 5: you know, at this this rate of speed, this distance,
Speaker 5: this is the time we think it happened, and we're
Speaker 5: going to say that she was intoxicated, et cetera. That's
Speaker 5: what our theory of the case is. And once you
Speaker 5: have your theory of the case, you're then in a
Speaker 5: position where as a prosecutor, you shop around for experts.
Speaker 5: Many times prosecutors will go back in time to experts
Speaker 5: they've used before. For example, Brennan, I guess on the
Speaker 5: defense side had used doctor la Posada before, so it's
Speaker 5: very common I use experts whom I like very often,
Speaker 5: to the in fact, I used an expert so often
Speaker 5: I ended up making him my physician, and he delivered
Speaker 5: my babies many many moons ago. So you find a
Speaker 5: nice rapport with experts, and you can use them again
Speaker 5: if they're credible and qualified. And then what did what
Speaker 5: the prosecutor would do? And I all candor here, I
Speaker 5: have not served as a district attorney. I did not
Speaker 5: go that route. Some people cut their teeth going that route.
Speaker 5: I know BETTERO did I know? Peter Tregos, the lawyer
Speaker 5: you know, did. But some critical defense attorneys Jackson as well,
Speaker 5: some criminal and Yannetti, but some criminal defense attorneys of
Speaker 5: which I am, don't go that route. You go right
Speaker 5: into private practice. But I will tell you, though, that
Speaker 5: the prosecutor, prosecutor would shop around for an expert who
Speaker 5: offers opinions that fit his or her theory of the case,
Speaker 5: determining that those opinions are independent. They're not getting steered
Speaker 5: or influenced by the prosecutor.
Speaker 1: That's the key, right, That's the key is that you're
Speaker 1: not They can independently say that that. So it looks
Speaker 1: like it's a kind of a thin line there. You
Speaker 1: want them to come out with your opinion, but you
Speaker 1: don't want to steer them. And I think it's possible
Speaker 1: that Morrisey didn't think anybody else would come up with
Speaker 1: the opinion that did he with aperture that they couldn't
Speaker 1: find someone else.
Speaker 5: I agree, and without having the all the these emails
Speaker 5: that have been released in front of me, and I
Speaker 5: promise to all of you, if you'd like me to
Speaker 5: dive into them and come back real soon, I'd be
Speaker 5: happy to. I apologize for traveling and not being prepared
Speaker 5: to do that tonight. But what I will tell you
Speaker 5: is the fact that Morrissey used his private email to
Speaker 5: do a lot of his bidding here, not just for experts,
Speaker 5: but communicating with other attorneys in his office, other attorneys
Speaker 5: outside of his office, other individuals, including law enforcement. I
Speaker 5: saw Tully, I think I saw Tully on one of
Speaker 5: his emails. I think I saw Procter on one of
Speaker 5: his emails. And that's wholly improper. And then you start
Speaker 5: going into the nuance where there was misspellings of names
Speaker 5: to possibly I can't say there's with certainty, but possibly
Speaker 5: an effort to thwart any Foyer requests where you know,
Speaker 5: if Karen is misspelled with an I N instead of
Speaker 5: an E N, then it might not come up on
Speaker 5: a foyer request. So it sure smells bad to me,
Speaker 5: but we'll have to see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a slick character.
Speaker 3: One of the emails he was asking for a million dollars,
Speaker 3: which coincidentally paid for Brennan and welchair. If he got it,
Speaker 3: yeah obviously maybe good.
Speaker 1: Well why do we don't know? Did he get Really
Speaker 1: that's destination.
Speaker 3: Maybe that was enough to cover those two bills. That's
Speaker 3: all I'm saying. That that request was enough to cover those.
Speaker 1: And then one hundred dollars to cover his boat slip
Speaker 1: for the entire year out of the cape. So wow,
Speaker 1: that's good. Uh nh dude, thank you very much for
Speaker 1: the super chat of ten dollars cab cabs and nan
Speaker 1: Conan's awesome. Thank you very much. Nan always brings people
Speaker 1: love Nan. I mean that that's basically what happens. Some
Speaker 1: do oh, I mean, it's always sturb But there's people
Speaker 1: that don't like me.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I love you guys, thank you, So I
Speaker 5: tell whenever I can, I tell everybody you. The two
Speaker 5: of you have been extra special to me over since
Speaker 5: I've been, since I entered the scene back in January.
Speaker 5: The two of you are. I hold you in a
Speaker 5: very precious part of me.
Speaker 1: You're so thank you, thank you so very much. And
Speaker 1: that's why I keep checking in with your like what
Speaker 1: DJ bugging me for. Man, you're my friend, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 5: You keep in touch very well better than I do.
Speaker 5: I will credit you with that.
Speaker 1: You know, my friends are my family. So so three
Speaker 1: Clark Monty said, asking for advice years ago from from
Speaker 1: the lawyer who is recently brought on to present represent
Speaker 1: the North North Norfolk County DA's office in matters of
Speaker 1: the US Attorney's office. Interesting, Uh, flesh that out for
Speaker 1: us a little more so that we can so. Yes,
Speaker 1: definitely us taxpayers in Massachusetts. It's true. It's just a
Speaker 1: difference of budget. This is something that we spoke about
Speaker 1: back when Hank was hired. I had this conversation with
Speaker 1: Terry Robbins. Is that he's getting He's not just going
Speaker 1: to get two hundred and fifty grand. So just get
Speaker 1: that out of your mind. Where that money's coming from.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you where, but I said, there is
Speaker 1: no way anyone who thinks that this hourly rate is
Speaker 1: actually what he's going to be charged. You need to
Speaker 1: just and there's nothing wrong with it, just recalibrate your
Speaker 1: mind to understand the kinds of people we're talking about.
Speaker 1: And people did. People saw near the end of the
Speaker 1: trial that it sorted of leak out how much he
Speaker 1: was getting paid. Well, now, as Beta points out, now
Speaker 1: we know maybe where that money came from, but it
Speaker 1: was going to come from somewhere, and Terry basically said
Speaker 1: as much. She said, a slush fund. So apparently appealing
Speaker 1: to a state representative is a slush fund. All right,
Speaker 1: we got to get on with what Richie has to say,
Speaker 1: Richie's movie, because that's what we're here for. That's what
Speaker 1: we sold this as. So without further ado, we are
Speaker 1: going to bring on the main Richie microduct him so talented,
Speaker 1: he is man, he is for real, Okay, got good volume.
Speaker 5: Have you guys met him?
Speaker 1: I have not had the pleasure if anyone who loved
Speaker 1: to the person who gives.
Speaker 8: This was Karen Reid in twenty twenty two, before Alan Jackson,
Speaker 8: before Turtle Boy, and before thousands rallied to her side.
Speaker 8: She stood there with David Jeannetti and her family utterly
Speaker 8: terrified and at the lowest point of the nightmare that
Speaker 8: was just beginning. Wow, But how did this happen? A
Speaker 8: conspiracy involving a family, their friends, local police, state police,
Speaker 8: a DA and their allies doesn't just appear out of nowhere.
Speaker 8: There had to be warning signs. In the following presentation,
Speaker 8: we'll explore the underlying conditions that set the stage for
Speaker 8: all of this to happen. And in order to do that,
Speaker 8: we'll need to look back.
Speaker 5: How how about that for casting.
Speaker 6: Looks like.
Speaker 1: Peter Berger, of the immigrant that was here from we
Speaker 1: said hungry, I can't remember. And for the audience, we're
Speaker 1: going to stop periodically and we're going to rance all
Speaker 1: the day and we'll discuss and then we'll start is.
Speaker 5: Like it ain't no friend.
Speaker 4: Dispatch. This is UNI forty five. Be advised to a
Speaker 4: parent hidden run. We have one male early twenties severely injured.
Speaker 4: One female victim is conscious and being transported to Rhode
Speaker 4: Island Medical.
Speaker 5: It's amazing what he does.
Speaker 8: Exchange student Peter Berger and his friend Peggy Lowe were
Speaker 8: driving on Route ninety five at three am when their
Speaker 8: vehicle was struck from behind, sending it careening into the
Speaker 8: concrete median. The other driver fled the scene. DOE warrant
Speaker 8: was issued for him by the mass State Police. Burger
Speaker 8: was pronounced dead two hours later at Rhode Island Hospital.
Speaker 8: His female passenger was treated for minor injuries and released.
Speaker 8: Berger's parents were devastated, his father being quoted as saying
Speaker 8: he's lost his will to live. Thirty hours later, after
Speaker 8: any alcohol he may have consumed wore off. Twenty two
Speaker 8: year old Christopher Albert, accompanied by a lawyer, surrendered at
Speaker 8: the State Police barracks in Foxborough. That lawyer's name was
Speaker 8: John Prescott and is the brother of Judge Beverly Cononi.
Speaker 8: Just one of the many murky ties she has to
Speaker 8: key figures on the commonwealth side. It's an issue that's
Speaker 8: been nagging this judge for years, and that.
Speaker 9: Therefore I have a connection to this case, and therefore
Speaker 9: I have a bias in.
Speaker 8: Favor of Multiple witnesses driving in other vehicles reported seeing
Speaker 8: Albert's cars speeding, ask them miles before the crash even occurred.
Speaker 8: The Albert family's decision to use the high priced, well
Speaker 8: connected attorney paid off Chris was sentenced to just six
Speaker 8: months in prison, managing to avoid the far more severe
Speaker 8: penalties that come with causing a fatal crash while under
Speaker 8: the influence of alcohol, charges that could have landed him
Speaker 8: behind bars for up to fifteen years. Port records mysteriously vanished,
Speaker 8: and he continued to conceal his conviction from the town
Speaker 8: even as he rose to the position of selectmen, until
Speaker 8: hiding it was no longer an option. The Albert boys
Speaker 8: learned a powerful lesson. When you're in trouble, obscuring the
Speaker 8: truth can be remarkably effective. This nineteen ninety four incident
Speaker 8: foreshadows the Karen Read case in two important ways. It
Speaker 8: reveals a questionable connection to the judge's family, and it
Speaker 8: demonstrates that the Alberts have long known how to work
Speaker 8: the system when its time to protect their own. Chris
Speaker 8: Albert left the scene of an accident without a shred
Speaker 8: of concern for the two people he'd just run off
Speaker 8: the road. If he had at least reported it, Burger
Speaker 8: may have survived, and he needed help.
Speaker 10: Someone to make a phone call to nine one one,
Speaker 10: even anonymously, And there was only one person in this
Speaker 10: entire planet who couldn't help me, couldn't keep him a
Speaker 10: chamis stand and that one person who could help him.
Speaker 1: Help him, help him, help the.
Speaker 5: Unbelievable, the irony of that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so let's uh, that's great, great place to pause
Speaker 1: right there.
Speaker 5: So let's uh, oh, sorry to interrupt.
Speaker 1: Now, that's perfect. This is a perfect time. So the
Speaker 1: two things was records hidden, and there was something I'm
Speaker 1: gonna have to get the paper out like bea and
Speaker 1: write it down. And then there was something just there.
Speaker 1: There was something right there that that I just heard.
Speaker 1: But go ahead, Nan, please react first and be on.
Speaker 6: The not go.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So I actually was grabbing a notepad, which I
Speaker 5: will make sure I take some notes when we're doing this.
Speaker 5: So what I find so interesting about this thus far
Speaker 5: is one, besides Richie's artistry, the fact that there is
Speaker 5: this irony that's being used here, whether it's clipping Judge
Speaker 5: Canoni to say, and therefore I have a bias.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 5: What she was doing was she was articulating that day
Speaker 5: what the defense argument was. She was kind of recapitulating,
Speaker 5: but micro dots put it in a way that she's
Speaker 5: saying it about herself. I loved the casting or however
Speaker 5: that works in terms of the young Chris Albert because
Speaker 5: it looks like a colin his son to me. And
Speaker 5: then just the imagery in and of itself. But then
Speaker 5: you go further and think about the irony of the
Speaker 5: fact that you have an accident. It was fatal, it
Speaker 5: involved alcohol. It was nineteen ninety four. I won't tell
Speaker 5: all of you what I was doing in nineteen ninety four,
Speaker 5: but it was nineteen ninety four. So now think about it.
Speaker 5: We now have more sophisticated measures, more ways and modalities
Speaker 5: of assessing alcohol related accidents and intoxication, and all of
Speaker 5: the breathalyzers and alco tests that are out there, and
Speaker 5: look what should have happened, and some of which did happen,
Speaker 5: But what could have happened to Chris Albert back in
Speaker 5: ninety four, And then fast forward to two thousand and
Speaker 5: twenty three when the actual was it the trial, well,
Speaker 5: the pre trial stuff for Trial one point zero really
Speaker 5: kicked up, mostly in twenty twenty three against Karen Reid.
Speaker 5: And look at all of that the Commonwealth threw at her.
Speaker 5: And then the way Richie uses the verbiage of Brennan
Speaker 5: to kind of say and.
Speaker 1: Only thank you, thank you Nan for reminding me of that.
Speaker 1: That's what it was.
Speaker 5: He uses, Yeah, you're going to get like I was.
Speaker 5: I was. One of my majors was English literature. So
Speaker 5: I am going to relish in the irony in all
Speaker 5: of this, which is.
Speaker 1: Fine as long as you don't put relish on hot dogs,
Speaker 1: because I'm opposed to sweet relish on hot dogs.
Speaker 5: I am too.
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 5: So we're at a chick dog from time to time though,
Speaker 5: what chili dog?
Speaker 6: Ah?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, But before we get to Boston Be,
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Speaker 1: thank you for chatting with me on Twitter day, thank
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Speaker 1: will put them up on screen and will comment about them.
Speaker 1: And with that, Boston bea well.
Speaker 3: Yes, the irony of you know, them going so hard
Speaker 3: on Karen when you know there's a list that went
Speaker 3: around on you on X of all the app you
Speaker 3: know Helene has had accidents, you know, even as far
Speaker 3: as Jim the Clerk has had accidents, like the irony
Speaker 3: of all these people that are going so hard that
Speaker 3: we're going so hard on Karen are the ones who
Speaker 3: actually have done these things. And Karen is completely innocent,
Speaker 3: and you know she gets, you know, the the craziest
Speaker 3: like they just went after her with such I don't know,
Speaker 3: with such power, but luckily she was she was she
Speaker 3: was able to fight them off, and you know she's, yeah, well, you.
Speaker 5: Know what's interesting to me about that? Like and and
Speaker 5: Microdots says it towards very beginning of this I'm calling
Speaker 5: it a video if you guys want to call it
Speaker 5: a movie or a vignette, but in the beginning of
Speaker 5: this this video, he says that the Alberts learned very
Speaker 5: early on that there's like they can just skirt the
Speaker 5: truth there, you make an end run around what really happened,
Speaker 5: and you get away with it. Yes, and that's gonna
Speaker 5: that theme is going to carry itself throughout this throughout
Speaker 5: this video. It's just it's it's perfectly done.
Speaker 1: And for me, I'm going to say that Nan and
Speaker 1: Beia have already covered my points, so I don't have
Speaker 1: anything to rage on this one. But I will say
Speaker 1: I believe the other aspect of Helena Rafferties. I believe
Speaker 1: she hit a bicyclist, is that it was an older gentleman.
Speaker 1: She did not report it, I think is what the
Speaker 1: issue was. She didn't report it, which again it's a
Speaker 1: theme with Tim Albert and Chris Albert. It's not reporting it.
Speaker 1: When you do something wrong, you self report. Let's move on.
Speaker 1: Let's go on with the.
Speaker 11: Movie concerning Tim Albert and this issue or the investigation
Speaker 11: where charges were brought against Tim Albert.
Speaker 7: So there was a call for a motor vehicle crash
Speaker 7: at the corner of Deniman Washington Street, and the suspect
Speaker 7: vehicle had fled the scene.
Speaker 5: We'll hit a car, yes, with the woman in it,
Speaker 5: oh led the scene.
Speaker 7: Followed the oil spill of the vehicle down Denham Street,
Speaker 7: up set the Crest all the way down to the
Speaker 7: intersection of Cedar Crest to Fairview, and the oils bill
Speaker 7: actually drove into thirty four Fairvue.
Speaker 11: Then you find him trying to hide out at.
Speaker 1: Thirty four Fairum, did you give.
Speaker 12: Him a.
Speaker 11: Breathalyzer?
Speaker 2: I did not, So you've been involved an investigation where
Speaker 2: charges were actually taken out against member of the Albert.
Speaker 13: Fan We had to take our charges against Tim Albert.
Speaker 14: The evidence in that case, you would agree with me,
Speaker 14: was strong against Tim Albert for that crime.
Speaker 1: Was it not for leaving the scene? Yes, he didn't
Speaker 1: have much choice.
Speaker 11: I mean, there you have the evidence, he's right in
Speaker 11: front of it.
Speaker 15: You can't really cover that one.
Speaker 10: Up, right.
Speaker 8: The second time an Albert brother created a mess that
Speaker 8: had to be cleaned up. This time it was the
Speaker 8: youngest Tim, and just like his older brother Chris, Tim's
Speaker 8: first instinct was to flee the scene, showing absolutely no
Speaker 8: concern for the person he had just harmed. Officer Michael
Speaker 8: Lank didn't seem interested in finding out if he had
Speaker 8: been drinking. He probably didn't want to know. A clear
Speaker 8: pattern is emerging in how the Alberts respond when they're
Speaker 8: at risk of being implicated in a crime, and how
Speaker 8: in turn they are treated by local law enforcement. But
Speaker 8: the leniency Michael Lank showed Tim Albert, charging him with
Speaker 8: a misdemeanor that was eventually dismissed instead of the more
Speaker 8: serious charge of leaving the scene of an accident with
Speaker 8: a possible DUI still wasn't enough for Brian. During Michael
Speaker 8: Lank's vadir in the first trial, Judge Canons said something
Speaker 8: very interesting that most people missed, revealing what happens to
Speaker 8: you if you arrest An Albert.
Speaker 16: The Commonwealth can then get into the animosity between.
Speaker 5: The witness, Sergeant Lank In Brian Albert. Because of the
Speaker 5: arrest of Tim Albert.
Speaker 8: The Commonwealth never did get into that animosity, likely because
Speaker 8: it would have revealed Brian's well known fiery temper and
Speaker 8: willingness to bully the local police, hurting the state's case
Speaker 8: more than helping it. It's important to remember that Tim
Speaker 8: Albert's arrest happened in two thousand and nine, same year
Speaker 8: Brian Albert led the high profile arrest of the Craigslist killer.
Speaker 17: This was a brutal, vicious crime, savage, and it shows
Speaker 17: that Philip Markoff is a man who's willing to take
Speaker 17: advantage of women to hurt them, to beat them, to
Speaker 17: rob them. Police say they found a semi automatic weapon,
Speaker 17: duct tape, and plastic restraints in Markoff's apartment.
Speaker 8: Brian wielded serious power within law enforcement, along with a
Speaker 8: reputation for being aggressive, and it seems he wasn't afraid
Speaker 8: to use it to protect his family.
Speaker 10: He didn't have a good reputation among fellow police officers,
Speaker 10: known as a bully, had a history of soccer punching officers.
Speaker 6: He was investigated by VPD for violent conduct.
Speaker 8: He had a propensity for violence.
Speaker 14: With respect to Brian, how would you describe your relationship
Speaker 14: with him?
Speaker 4: Again? Civil?
Speaker 8: But two are your friends?
Speaker 1: Could you repeat that questions?
Speaker 8: No, Officer Lank got the message loud and clear. You
Speaker 8: don't arrest in Albert no matter the circumstances, or there
Speaker 8: will be consequences, even if they hurt an innocent civilian
Speaker 8: and the trail of evidence leads straight to their home.
Speaker 8: That warning lightly echoed through the entire department, and it
Speaker 8: was almost certainly weighing on Lank's mind as he approached
Speaker 8: the door of thirty four Fairview on the morning John's
Speaker 8: body was found.
Speaker 1: He was the very first officer.
Speaker 11: He never should have walked in that front door. He
Speaker 11: should have said to supervisors.
Speaker 15: I have a relationship with the Albert family.
Speaker 2: I've known them my whole life.
Speaker 11: I'm probably not the right person to make the decisions
Speaker 11: about this investigation.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 8: In fact, officer Lank seemed so afraid of Brian, especially
Speaker 8: after being reprimanded for arresting his brother, that he didn't
Speaker 8: even to print Brian's full name in the police report.
Speaker 8: After John's death.
Speaker 2: All of the persons involved listed in your police report.
Speaker 2: Everybody's first name and last name was completely spelled out,
Speaker 2: except for one who.
Speaker 7: Was that Brian Albert. Those names were edited by detective Sergeant.
Speaker 14: Leg Did you omit Brian Albert's first name to mask
Speaker 14: the fact.
Speaker 1: That he was involved?
Speaker 8: I put forward this idea that, in the years leading
Speaker 8: up to John O'Keefe's death, arresting Brian Albert in the
Speaker 8: town he grew up would have been virtually impossible. His
Speaker 8: standing as a high ranking Boston police officer, his reputation
Speaker 8: for violence, and his close family ties to the local
Speaker 8: force created an atmosphere of untouchability. No one in that
Speaker 8: department was going to be the one to put cuffs
Speaker 8: on him, not without risking their career, their safety, or worse.
Speaker 8: Who would have been man enough to actually do it.
Speaker 8: Not Michael Lank, not Seawan good Stephen, Seraph Paul Gallagher,
Speaker 8: and certainly not Chief Berkowitz. Perhaps Officer Kelly dever At
Speaker 8: least until she convinced herself that she imagined the whole thing.
Speaker 8: Evidence can vanish, relationships can be concealed, witnesses can be silenced,
Speaker 8: lies can be manufactured, jurors can be removed, and judges
Speaker 8: can choose to look away. The truth is, it seems
Speaker 8: nothing could get Brian Albert or his home investigated in
Speaker 8: that town, not even the murder of a lower ranking
Speaker 8: Boston cop.
Speaker 1: Wow, get away, Nan and bea bia.
Speaker 5: Do you want to go first? Mine's quick.
Speaker 3: I really love how Jackson said you can't cover that
Speaker 3: one out. I thought that was a nice little dig
Speaker 3: right there. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's I like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But I mean it just shows the connections, how all
Speaker 3: these all these people have connections to the judge, to
Speaker 3: the District Attorney's office, the MSP. Like, it's just I
Speaker 3: mean this, I mean, I think the tide is starting
Speaker 3: to change. But it's crazy when you see all the
Speaker 3: connections just put in front of you, of all the
Speaker 3: people that know each other, and how they all work
Speaker 3: together to make things and let people get away with
Speaker 3: things that they shouldn't at no cost because they don't
Speaker 3: seem to care if they lose their jobs or because
Speaker 3: they think they're untouchable, right.
Speaker 5: And it's so interesting because people, and I'm sure we'll
Speaker 5: be discussing this, but everyone who has been kind of
Speaker 5: anti free Karen Reid has said, there's no way this
Speaker 5: could have been a conspiracy. It would have involved too
Speaker 5: many people. And even Brian Albert had said that and
Speaker 5: along the way, and most recently in a televised interview
Speaker 5: he did after the trial. But this video is so
Speaker 5: good at showing all of that interconnectedness that you're talking
Speaker 5: about and makes it in a very real way, very
Speaker 5: persuasive way, very understandable as to what the backdrop was
Speaker 5: and is here he microdots is saying because of Brian
Speaker 5: Albert's standing in the community, his reputation for violence, he
Speaker 5: was untouchable. And then you start going into we talked
Speaker 5: about Chris Albert's accident, and then that's ninety four. I
Speaker 5: guess it's two thousand and nine. You've got the youngest,
Speaker 5: Tim Albert's accident, which was like you were saying, well,
Speaker 5: you can't really cover this one up because he left
Speaker 5: the scene. I guess there was some type of either
Speaker 5: oil spill.
Speaker 1: Or elegant Yeah, road right, they could follow it right
Speaker 1: from the scenes in the house either.
Speaker 5: Talk about leaving breadcrumbs. What an idiot, But anyway, you know,
Speaker 5: so that was also the year that you have Brian
Speaker 5: Albert rising to some additional level of prominence with the
Speaker 5: Craigslist killer. I look at these things in and the
Speaker 5: environment of that community, and I say, these these brothers
Speaker 5: are it's a pattern. It's a repeated pattern that they're
Speaker 5: they're creating. It's just fomenting. It's repeating itself. And unless
Speaker 5: the cycle gets broken, it's just going to keep happening, happening, happening.
Speaker 5: And then the issue with length and Brian Albert, now
Speaker 5: we start getting into the underpinnings for why why were
Speaker 5: people either not coming forward or remaining silent because they
Speaker 5: didn't want to either get retribution from Brian Albert or
Speaker 5: anyone else, or they didn't want any type of problem,
Speaker 5: Like whatever it is, we don't want any problem. I'm
Speaker 5: just going to stay quiet. And now I love how
Speaker 5: this video is going to kind of start to weave
Speaker 5: into people who like dev like, all right, she came forward,
Speaker 5: told her her truth to the FBI, and now it's
Speaker 5: some type of distorted memory or a false memory or
Speaker 5: false impression after the fact and then and I don't
Speaker 5: want to put the car before the horse, but you're
Speaker 5: gonna start to see a pattern of that. So this
Speaker 5: is it's masterful. The last note I had here though,
Speaker 5: in terms of the preparation of the report for I
Speaker 5: guess it's on John O'Keeffe's accident. Accident. It just says
Speaker 5: b Albert and that was in my opinion it always
Speaker 5: has been, and it seems to be micro dots as
Speaker 5: well that that was quite intentionally done. And if my
Speaker 5: memory serves correctly, I also think there was some or
Speaker 5: more than some reports that had thirty two fairview on
Speaker 5: instead of thirty four fairview. There's no way this many
Speaker 5: little oversights is just innocent. There had to have been
Speaker 5: some type of intent to just hide the information from
Speaker 5: either Foyer requests or drawing any attack to the Albert family.
Speaker 1: Clear evidence right there of it of screwing up the
Speaker 1: address that that they all knew was the freaking address
Speaker 1: and they should have shown up. That was when the
Speaker 1: responding that was for responding officers, I think when they
Speaker 1: were called from nine to one one. First I want
Speaker 1: to welcome back and then no, Stan Alban of Ken
Speaker 1: Away from Nottingham, England. Hello, Ken, welcome back.
Speaker 12: I heard you had a bit of surgery, made good
Speaker 12: surgery in your head. I'm glad you're feeling better and
Speaker 12: welcome back to the cob. My comments are this Brian,
Speaker 12: So I do have something for Brian this time. I
Speaker 12: know that you think that we're all stupid and you
Speaker 12: think you're really smart because you're the guy and we're
Speaker 12: a bunch of simps that are really stupid. And then, oh,
Speaker 12: I didn't take fifty people for conspiracy here.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't take fifty people, and it doesn't take
Speaker 1: fifty because there's something called plausible deniability. Dumbass, you don't
Speaker 1: go and tell Katie McLaughlin the entire story of what
Speaker 1: the fuck happened inside the house, right or the other
Speaker 1: firemen right or dever, you don't have them, you know,
Speaker 1: give them the narrative from when he arrived and knocked
Speaker 1: on the fucking door to when he was put out
Speaker 1: on the lawn. They all they need to know, and
Speaker 1: all that Lally needs to know is what he has
Speaker 1: to do to play his role. So we're not dumb
Speaker 1: and we understand how conspiracy happens. The people that know
Speaker 1: what happened. Are the other evil, soulless, psychotic psychopaths that
Speaker 1: were inside the house with you. The other people don't
Speaker 1: know what happened. They just know that they don't need
Speaker 1: to know. That's right, and that plausible deniability means you
Speaker 1: don't tell any buddy something they don't need to know. Therefore,
Speaker 1: if somehow they are interrogated or the FBI speaks to them,
Speaker 1: they don't know the information to give them. They just
Speaker 1: know I did it, I did it, I did it.
Speaker 1: And even dumb ass Lally it was I did it.
Speaker 1: I did it. I did it. I did it.
Speaker 18: And then the other lady McLaughlin who says, oh, yeah,
Speaker 18: let's see Caitlyn out, I went to high school with
Speaker 18: a girl six months ago.
Speaker 1: You were standing next to her in a photo. But
Speaker 1: you also think that we're all stupid. Yep, let's get
Speaker 1: back to the video. My god, I'm going.
Speaker 5: I loved that. I loved that. You're so right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they think we're all dumb and we don't understand
Speaker 1: plausible and i ability. We're so simple and we can't
Speaker 1: figure it out that for that matter, Morrisey probably doesn't
Speaker 1: even know what happened, and you wouldn't tell him beyond
Speaker 1: let's say Brian, Brian Jen perhaps Sarah, perhaps the other
Speaker 1: dumb ass that was in there that was uh what was.
Speaker 5: Her name, Julie Nagel?
Speaker 1: No, yes, her and the other woman who went that
Speaker 1: night who drove excuse me, the morning of drove with
Speaker 1: them to thirty four. Fairly what's that woman's name? Thank you,
Speaker 1: Carrie Robbins. All right, let's let's go on here before
Speaker 1: I just continued, no.
Speaker 8: Problem behind cover ups. It's powerful enough to keep good
Speaker 8: people silent, intimidate witnesses into changing their testimony, and stop
Speaker 8: those who might otherwise choose to do the right thing.
Speaker 8: One witness in particular, seemed terrified to deviate from the
Speaker 8: macalbot script, so desperate to downplay her relationship with Brian's
Speaker 8: daughter that her testimony spiraled into outright absurdity.
Speaker 1: Who's Cathlin Albert? I don't know.
Speaker 19: I went to high school with some of he named
Speaker 19: Kaitlyn Albert.
Speaker 1: With somebody named Kaitlin Albert?
Speaker 19: I went to high school? Was somebody named Kitten Albert?
Speaker 15: Yeah?
Speaker 8: You fucking as Her response was obviously carefully scripted. She
Speaker 8: repeated the exact phrase the question is who authored it?
Speaker 1: So do you know Kaitlin albert? I? Do be friends
Speaker 1: with kit One albert.
Speaker 19: I would say more acquaintances, not close friends.
Speaker 8: Don't forget Karen knows with absolute certainty that she's lying,
Speaker 8: locking her gaze on Katie for a wildly long, virtually
Speaker 8: unbroken fifty.
Speaker 5: Seconds, She's got a look on her.
Speaker 8: This is the unwavering stare of an innocent woman watching
Speaker 8: a parade of deceitful liars get on the stand and
Speaker 8: sell falsehoods like their lives depended on it. No longer
Speaker 8: the terrified woman she was at the start, Now she
Speaker 8: was refusing to break.
Speaker 14: Late last night, we received another photo where Katie McLoughlin
Speaker 14: and Caitlin albert are standing next to each other at
Speaker 14: a baby shower in June of twenty twenty one, about
Speaker 14: eight months before John O'Keefe's death. It's very clear to
Speaker 14: us that Katie McLoughlin perjured herself.
Speaker 8: For the Macalberts. Katie McLaughlin was a critical piece of
Speaker 8: the puzzle. In order to pin the crime on Karen Reid,
Speaker 8: they needed a so called neutral witness to claim they
Speaker 8: heard a confession. It couldn't come from jen alone, So
Speaker 8: Katie was drafted for the role. A longtime friend of
Speaker 8: Caitlin Albert, she was someone they could influence without risk
Speaker 8: of being reported, someone who could be steered to say
Speaker 8: what was needed. They thought no one would ever find
Speaker 8: out her and Caitlin were friends. But it doesn't seem
Speaker 8: like she's helping out of loyalty. Even for a friend,
Speaker 8: most people won't risk perjury. Growing up alongside Caitlin, Katie
Speaker 8: would have known the family to some degree and known
Speaker 8: of their reputation. She would also know that Kevin Albert
Speaker 8: was a cop in town and exactly who Brian Albert was.
Speaker 8: But what she says next takes her testimony from highly
Speaker 8: questionable to completely implausible.
Speaker 19: It's your dad, I don't know.
Speaker 8: As she sits on the stand during the first trial,
Speaker 8: Katie McLaughlin claims she doesn't know that her friend's farm.
Speaker 8: To believe that, you'd have to accept that she somehow
Speaker 8: didn't really Rob's launch. She responded to the Morning John
Speaker 8: O'Keefe and is unaware that he's a controversial figure in
Speaker 8: this case.
Speaker 11: How many times would you say that you've discussed this
Speaker 11: case and this incident with your fellow firefighters.
Speaker 19: It's brought up around the station semi frequently.
Speaker 11: So the answer is.
Speaker 8: Yes, it defies logic. It's not just unlikely, it's impossible.
Speaker 8: What makes far more sense is that Katie is bending
Speaker 8: over backwards to downplay her relationship with Katelyn and deny
Speaker 8: knowing who Brian Albert is because she's terrified, terrified of
Speaker 8: saying something that could implicate them, and even more afraid
Speaker 8: of the backlash if she does. Her testimony isn't shaped
Speaker 8: by loyalty, it's shaped by fear.
Speaker 11: Your visit to Cap't and PD was coordinated by another
Speaker 11: officer to put you and Tripper Proctor together for the interview.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 19: I don't recall that.
Speaker 11: You recall being contacted by a completely different officer to say, Hey,
Speaker 11: Tripper Proctor wants to talk to you, come on into
Speaker 11: can' and PD.
Speaker 1: What's that an interview?
Speaker 19: I don't remember exactly how the interview was set up.
Speaker 8: That was her answer in twenty twenty four, but it
Speaker 8: left the door open to implicate Kevin Albert with interfering
Speaker 8: in the case, and that simply cannot happen. So by
Speaker 8: twenty twenty five it was doctored to this.
Speaker 19: I've never spoken to Kevin Albert.
Speaker 1: Ever can remember this.
Speaker 19: Because it was the state Police called me. The state
Speaker 19: police called me. It was a state trooper.
Speaker 8: When Brian's brother, Officer Kevin Albert, called her the day
Speaker 8: after John was pronounced dead, telling her that she needed
Speaker 8: to meet with Detective Michael Procter, it's easy to see
Speaker 8: how she may have felt coerced into going along with
Speaker 8: whatever he decided to write in his report. Much like
Speaker 8: Officer Kelly Dever, she presumably found herself faced with a
Speaker 8: choice tell the truth and risk turning her community against her,
Speaker 8: or adjust her story and keep her life undisturbed. Though
Speaker 8: their circumstances differed, both seem to have followed the same calculus.
Speaker 8: She made a choice, and both have paid a heavy
Speaker 8: price for their decisions, now publicly known as enablers of
Speaker 8: the cover up and associated with the very people most
Speaker 8: suspected of murdering John. The toll this involvement took on
Speaker 8: Katie seems to have changed her. In earlier photos, she
Speaker 8: appears full of life, confident and optimistic, but the woman
Speaker 8: on the witness stand in twenty twenty four looks like
Speaker 8: a shadow of that person, empty, like the life has
Speaker 8: been drained from her. The weight of maintaining a lie
Speaker 8: leaves a mark.
Speaker 20: Hey, Jen, are you worried about what's going to happen.
Speaker 4: To your family or to jail? Don't touch me?
Speaker 1: Why is she again?
Speaker 12: Why is she again?
Speaker 21: Touch me again?
Speaker 7: Jen?
Speaker 1: Are you worried about?
Speaker 8: This clip captured by Turtle Boy at the lacrosse game
Speaker 8: shows the unmistakable signs of someone buckling under the weight
Speaker 8: of exposure.
Speaker 1: A villain of this story.
Speaker 8: Even for Jen who's naturally petite, her appearance is alarming.
Speaker 8: She looks emaciated, almost skeletal, shaken, pale, and visibly deteriorated,
Speaker 8: like someone buckling under the weight of immense pressure and fear.
Speaker 8: Unlike Katie, who seems scared of the family, Jennifer's fear
Speaker 8: is rooted in something much deeper. This was her condition.
Speaker 8: On June fifth, twenty twenty three, roughly six weeks earlier,
Speaker 8: she was visited by the FBI. They approached her in
Speaker 8: her driveway, where she denied she was Jen McCabe, instead
Speaker 8: claiming to be her sister, lying to their faces.
Speaker 16: I thought they were like selling something, so I was like,
Speaker 16: oh no, I'm not the homeowner.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Immediately traveled, and she agrees to let them in for
Speaker 8: an interview, but asks.
Speaker 1: Mistaken for salesmen all the time.
Speaker 16: I was in a situation where there two officers from
Speaker 16: a different agent had come in were asking me questions,
Speaker 16: or they had said and ask you questions. At first
Speaker 16: I thought they were selling something, then they identified themselves.
Speaker 16: I just dropped my kids off at school, going to
Speaker 16: be a.
Speaker 1: Complete my kids, my kids, my kids, my kids, my kids.
Speaker 3: I kind of made the whole time she's saying.
Speaker 8: Jennifer comes off as completely unhinged, struggling to articulate her
Speaker 8: version of events, and visibly erratic. It's the performance of
Speaker 8: someone bare holding the scripts together. Before letting the agents in,
Speaker 8: Jennifer makes five quick phone calls. One of them is
Speaker 8: to Kerry, presumably to make sure their story is a line.
Speaker 16: It's like when you're a little when the ice cream
Speaker 16: truck was at the street next door, and I'm saying,
Speaker 16: did the ice cream track come?
Speaker 5: It's really that simple.
Speaker 8: So she called right to Brian, almost certainly to give
Speaker 8: him a heads up that the Feds are in town.
Speaker 8: She cuts the interview short after, but not before agents
Speaker 8: ask one last question.
Speaker 11: Minutes earlier, was there anyone else that you contacted in
Speaker 11: that ten minute period before we got a chance to
Speaker 11: talk to you. And your answer was no, correct, correct,
Speaker 11: And that was a lie?
Speaker 5: Correct, It wasn't a lie.
Speaker 1: No, was it true?
Speaker 5: I had.
Speaker 8: Afterward, her husband, Matt, made her every agent why she
Speaker 8: had simply forgotten about the other three calls.
Speaker 11: For some reason, you did not want these officers to
Speaker 11: know that you had communicated, specifically with Brian Albert, the homeowner,
Speaker 11: just before you talked to them.
Speaker 1: Jen, are you worried about what's gonna happen when you
Speaker 1: go to jail? Are you worried all about that?
Speaker 8: In addition to her visit from the FBI, there was
Speaker 8: another major source of stress that could help explain Jen's condition.
Speaker 8: Turtle Boys first expose on the case that same week.
Speaker 8: Right for the first time, the carefully controlled narrative was slipping,
Speaker 8: and for Jen, it must have felt like the walls
Speaker 8: were closing in.
Speaker 1: These are cop killers, These are cop killers.
Speaker 2: You know they're cop.
Speaker 22: Killers, right.
Speaker 8: But let's not get off track. There's still one more
Speaker 8: important family cover up to explore.
Speaker 1: I want to keep going because I want to get
Speaker 1: through this.
Speaker 5: Camp and with the latest on what happened here, Malcolm.
Speaker 23: Just after five o'clock. That's when a call came in
Speaker 23: for a car that had struck a pedestrian at Dedham
Speaker 23: in Washington Street. Here is Canton's police Chief, Ken Berkowitz
Speaker 23: on the victim's condition.
Speaker 21: Party was conscious and alert. I was up there myself
Speaker 21: and witnessed it.
Speaker 23: Last out here. The police chief effort to establish some transparency.
Speaker 21: Here, complete transparency, and to make sure that it didn't
Speaker 21: have any ear of anything, but.
Speaker 23: Reached out to the district Attorney Mike Morrisey and also
Speaker 23: the Massachusetts State Police so that they can conduct this investigation.
Speaker 8: Turtle Boy was the first to connect this incident to
Speaker 8: the Karen Reid case. According to his reporting, two independent
Speaker 8: sources identified the driver who struck the pedestrian as Tristan Morris,
Speaker 8: Caitlin Albert's longtime boyfriend now husband. If true, it means
Speaker 8: Morris was shielded from public accountability. His name never appeared
Speaker 8: in any police report or news coverage, suggesting a deliberate
Speaker 8: effort to keep him out of the spotlight, most likely
Speaker 8: because his name was on the waiting list to become
Speaker 8: a cop in this town and was withdrawn after O'Keeffe's death.
Speaker 8: During this public confrontation in May of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 8: Tristan called Aiden a rat, an interesting choice of words,
Speaker 8: considering a rat, by definition, is someone who reports the
Speaker 8: truth to law enforcement. This little known twenty twenty one
Speaker 8: incident may be the most revealing of them all for
Speaker 8: two key reasons. First, it occurred just ten months before
Speaker 8: John O'Keeffe's death, and second, it involved every major player,
Speaker 8: the local police chief Ken Berkowitz, the Norfolk d A.
Speaker 8: Michael Morrissey, the state police in his office, and yet
Speaker 8: another cover up to protect a member of the Albert family.
Speaker 8: Although very minor in comparison, it shows the machinery was
Speaker 8: already in place and functioning. This time they walked the line,
Speaker 8: the next time they would cross it. The only thing
Speaker 8: that changed was the magnitude of the crime and the
Speaker 8: need to bring in a scapegoat. It's not just about
Speaker 8: avoiding consequences. The Alberts seem intent on erasing their names
Speaker 8: from the narrative entirely, as it was with Chris Tin
Speaker 8: and Tristan, scrubbing any record of their involvement as if
Speaker 8: it never happened. And more importantly, they've demonstrated time and
Speaker 8: again their ability to do it. So when a crisis
Speaker 8: of the highest order, one that threatens their freedom and
Speaker 8: everything they've built, were to occur inside Brian's home, how
Speaker 8: far would they go to protect themselves?
Speaker 20: Okay, so when this happened, I wasn't working in news
Speaker 20: any longer and just tweeting new stories on my own.
Speaker 20: I tweeted about O'Keefe's death, essentially saying this is the
Speaker 20: house where he was found, and that online property record
Speaker 20: show it's located at thirty four Fairview Road and owned
Speaker 20: by Brian Albert, the veteran Boston copp who appeared on
Speaker 20: the police reality show Boston's Finest. Shortly after that, I
Speaker 20: got a message from Berkowitz. I called him a half
Speaker 20: hour later. He asked me to take the tweet down.
Speaker 20: He said Brian Albert as a friend, a pillar of
Speaker 20: the community, and he didn't deserve to have his name smeared.
Speaker 20: I didn't want to deal with his bullshit, so I said, okay,
Speaker 20: hung up, and deleted the tweet.
Speaker 8: The following day, while Karen was being arraigned, a false
Speaker 8: sense of relief was falling over the Macalberts. None of
Speaker 8: them were sitting in the courtroom. They were still trying
Speaker 8: to stay off the radar completely, but they were undoubtedly watching.
Speaker 8: Someone else was watching too, and he knew everything Lally
Speaker 8: was saying was pure fiction.
Speaker 17: Defendants then made several statements to her indicating I hit him,
Speaker 17: I hit him, I hit him.
Speaker 10: I hit him.
Speaker 8: Steve Scanlon, a private detective and acquaintance of Brian Albert,
Speaker 8: called David Yannetti's office with details only an insider could know.
Speaker 8: He said John had been murdered inside the house, there
Speaker 8: was a fight, that an ATF agent was involved, and
Speaker 8: that Brian's nephew, Colin Albert, was also present. This tip
Speaker 8: marked a turning point for the defense, although Scanlon later recanted,
Speaker 8: claiming he only believed John was killed inside because the
Speaker 8: injuries didn't align with the state's theory. But that explanation
Speaker 8: falls short. It doesn't account for how he knew about
Speaker 8: Brian Higgins and Colin Albert's involvement. It seems Brian made
Speaker 8: steph an offer he couldn't refuse, presumably making it more
Speaker 8: expensive to talk than to discredit himself. It's undeniable that
Speaker 8: Brian Albert, and by extension, his entire family were deeply feared.
Speaker 8: For a time, they managed to contain the whispers, silencing
Speaker 8: doubt through intimidation and bullying, which is why it must
Speaker 8: have come at such a shock when a voice emerged, loud, fearless,
Speaker 8: and impossible to silence, saying things that no one else
Speaker 8: dared to say in public.
Speaker 17: John o'keith was murdered by Brian Albert, and by Colin Albert,
Speaker 17: and that freaking dog and every other single person in
Speaker 17: the house.
Speaker 8: Here was a new species of journalist, a hybrid of
Speaker 8: the old school reporter who chases the story wherever it leads,
Speaker 8: but with a massive social media following and fiercely loyal
Speaker 8: audience behind him, immune to every weapon in their arsenal,
Speaker 8: and they had no idea how to stop him. He
Speaker 8: was everything they were not, Charismatic, entertaining, a great speaker,
Speaker 8: and instantly likable. If there's one point that's been lost
Speaker 8: in this story, it's just how unafraid Aiden kearney was
Speaker 8: to speak out against the Alberts. He did what no
Speaker 8: one else dared to do. His intent was always to
Speaker 8: uncover the absolute truth, relentlessly, but within the bounds of
Speaker 8: the law. Yet he still hasn't received the recognition he
Speaker 8: deserves for being the lone source of factual information when
Speaker 8: every mainstream outlet refused to touch the story, and in
Speaker 8: doing so, his courage gave others the strength to step
Speaker 8: out of the shadows, even if only online, to share
Speaker 8: what they knew and speak what they believed. The family
Speaker 8: took notice and initially tried to stop them. Chris Albert's
Speaker 8: attorney sent threatening letters to dozens of local residents simply
Speaker 8: for posting factual Facebook comments critical of his past, a
Speaker 8: clear attempt to silence through intimidation. However, they quickly learned
Speaker 8: that every attempt they made was being reported back to
Speaker 8: Turtle Boy, fueling his next article and making their efforts
Speaker 8: backfire spectacularly. Interest in the story was skyrocketing. Macalbert ally
Speaker 8: and subordinate Chief Rafferty quickly stepped in, going to bat
Speaker 8: for them in an attempt to throw water on the
Speaker 8: theory that John was killed inside the house.
Speaker 6: These final words I have will be memorialized on camera.
Speaker 6: No matter what the jury decides in the O'Keefe case.
Speaker 6: I will always be able to look in any mirror
Speaker 6: I pass.
Speaker 1: The children will.
Speaker 6: Always be able to view me as a person of integrity,
Speaker 6: and I will always be able to look the O'Keefe
Speaker 6: family members in their eyes because there is absolutely no
Speaker 6: evidence of a cover up in the tragic depth of
Speaker 6: John o'key.
Speaker 8: It's exactly statements like this that helped cover up the
Speaker 8: truth the irony. So when the next wave of letters
Speaker 8: went out, targeting the town's most outspoken residents, this time
Speaker 8: they were sent anonymously and included true threats.
Speaker 24: That the accusations and threats by an anonymous sunder. The
Speaker 24: threatened to hurt me, my family and people we know,
Speaker 24: made me swear to people I love that I was
Speaker 24: going to step back from this microphone even when it
Speaker 24: opens up again. But I find myself here because I
Speaker 24: still believe in the democratic process and in talking through
Speaker 24: issues face to face, even when we're shaking and really
Speaker 24: really scared, rather than threatening people behind closed doors.
Speaker 25: Beautifully, the harassers are McCabe and Albert supporters with fake
Speaker 25: accounts they wrongly, very wrongly, think can't be traced. I
Speaker 25: was harassed by an Albert supporter who brought my dead
Speaker 25: father into it. My dead father a World War two
Speaker 25: combat hero.
Speaker 9: I am one of the four people, as you know.
Speaker 9: Because the letter was forwarded to you that received the
Speaker 9: intimidating letter in the mail, and I'm not going to
Speaker 9: give that letter any credence. It was written by a
Speaker 9: few people, clearly, and it had lies in it and
Speaker 9: some of the things that were in there. And I
Speaker 9: want you to know is that they said to us,
Speaker 9: you have chosen to insert yourself into an unimaginable situation.
Speaker 9: Why would any of you want to do? This is
Speaker 9: beyond us. There are just a few facts people eagerly shared,
Speaker 9: and these were the lies that they told about us
Speaker 9: and our family.
Speaker 8: The authors of the letters included paragraphs of salacious lies
Speaker 8: about each recipient, including their families, threatening to spread them
Speaker 8: unless they stopped speaking out about the case. Also known
Speaker 8: as blackmail.
Speaker 9: There's a section. I'm not even going to give that
Speaker 9: any credence because it's made up. Imagine a deep dive.
Speaker 1: This is too quiet us.
Speaker 9: Imagine a deep dive of family, friends, extended families, neighbors,
Speaker 9: and coworkers. We will make sure they know this is
Speaker 9: curiosity of you.
Speaker 10: Factor fiction.
Speaker 9: It sticks forever on the internet reasons.
Speaker 8: At the next meeting, Jen McCabe's oldest sister responded to
Speaker 8: the threats made against Karen Reid supporters. In the letters,
Speaker 8: Matt and Jen also attended.
Speaker 26: Some residents tearfully spoke about anonymous harassment and fearing for
Speaker 26: the safety of their families due to.
Speaker 5: Receiving a mildly contentious letter.
Speaker 26: Have you been blind to the constant, vicious, hateful, abusive
Speaker 26: post letters, memes, messages, calls, visits, name calling, and profanity
Speaker 26: that has been directed at my family and friends for
Speaker 26: the past eight months on social media.
Speaker 8: Unsurprisingly, she draws a flawed comparison to her own family,
Speaker 8: ignoring the fact that the four Karen Reid supporters were
Speaker 8: threats and for simply demanding Chris Albert's resignation. A few
Speaker 8: months later, while Aidan was jailed in retaliation for his
Speaker 8: investigative work, I ran into them at a hearing. Jen
Speaker 8: made sure to let me know she knew who I was.
Speaker 8: HI an intimidation tactic used against me. All I had
Speaker 8: ever done was hold a camera, but it didn't feel
Speaker 8: the same without Aidan, which was the entire point of
Speaker 8: locking him up.
Speaker 4: I got a good clean.
Speaker 8: It's important to note that no one can be held
Speaker 8: responsible for the actions of another, and we don't know
Speaker 8: who sent the anonymous letters. The point is this, there's
Speaker 8: a false narrative that only the Macalberts were harassed, when
Speaker 8: in reality, true threats have been made against Karen Reid
Speaker 8: and her supporters for years.
Speaker 22: Which witnesses what we thought, let.
Speaker 6: Nobody us.
Speaker 1: This is a guy that was murdered.
Speaker 8: One of the implications of a cover up of this
Speaker 8: scale is the amount of coordination involved. The witnesses, the
Speaker 8: state police, and the prosecutors needed to work together to
Speaker 8: maintain a unified narrative. When new evidence emerged that threatened
Speaker 8: to expose inconsistencies, their stories would adapt. This level of
Speaker 8: synchronization doesn't happen by accident. It requires a staggering amount
Speaker 8: of behind the scenes communication. The attorneys likely relied on
Speaker 8: one or two key individuals to quietly pass along discrete
Speaker 8: and possibly unlawful instructions to the others. It's an aspect
Speaker 8: of this case we know very little about, but there
Speaker 8: are clues. Once they became aware of the federal investigation.
Speaker 8: I've long suspected that most of their communication shifted to
Speaker 8: face to face meetings to avoid surveillance. Photos so called
Speaker 8: parties at the Macay Residents surfaced during both trials, but
Speaker 8: In my view, they lightly served a dual purpose, one
Speaker 8: less about socializing and more about strategizing, and a party
Speaker 8: is a convenient way to conceal exactly who you're meeting with.
Speaker 22: You do realize for this conspiracy to be true, it
Speaker 22: would take thirty to fifty people. You'd have to have No,
Speaker 22: it doesn't, Brian, two different police departments.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. Bright civilians, the monicable deniabilities you think
Speaker 1: the rest of us are still don't have the last
Speaker 1: name Ali, great question, and that's why I'm going to
Speaker 1: interrupt you right now.
Speaker 8: In a few people who had to act and the
Speaker 8: rest just had to do nothing, a climate of fear
Speaker 8: and a chain of unspoken loyalties would keep everyone in line.
Speaker 8: The exact reasoning behind every individual's actions we will never know,
Speaker 8: but we can make some basic observations and begin to
Speaker 8: group the key players into broad categories to help understand
Speaker 8: how this was possible. At the core of the wheel,
Speaker 8: as Jennifer McCabe, Brian Albert, and Brian Higgins, their communications
Speaker 8: in the hours after John's death indicates they were already conspiring.
Speaker 8: Their lies, combined with the deliberate destruction of evidence, implicate
Speaker 8: them beyond any reasonable doubt. Their motivation can be summed
Speaker 8: up in two words, self preservation. Next, we have their
Speaker 8: immediate family members, along with two close friends, Sarah Levinson
Speaker 8: and Julie Nagel. These individuals were either inside the house
Speaker 8: when John was killed or were brought into the loop
Speaker 8: shortly after. We wouldn't expect any of them to talk. Initially,
Speaker 8: their instructions were incredibly simple.
Speaker 14: Tell them the guys never went in the hubs.
Speaker 8: We extend the circle outward to include all of the
Speaker 8: people who aided and abetted the conspiracy. By our estimation,
Speaker 8: at least to some degree, they are all members of
Speaker 8: the Norfolk DA's office or police officers, with only one exception.
Speaker 15: And that was a lie.
Speaker 11: Correct?
Speaker 23: Was that a lie?
Speaker 12: Did youly?
Speaker 18: I did not?
Speaker 11: Intentionally?
Speaker 8: But you did and intentionally? Okay, that's the end of
Speaker 8: understood the question?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 8: Is there any other question?
Speaker 9: I said?
Speaker 3: I misunderstood the question, mister Jackson.
Speaker 8: The network is structured similar to a criminal organization. To
Speaker 8: cross them would be to make enemies of a powerful
Speaker 8: machine wielding the full force of government. These are foot soldiers.
Speaker 8: Some had starring roles, like Michael Proctor, who allegedly planted
Speaker 8: taylight fragments and Brian Tully, believed to have run point
Speaker 8: for the Massachusetts State Police. Embedded within the Norfolk DA's office.
Speaker 8: They appear to have had handled the day to day
Speaker 8: routine tasks required when framing an innocent woman enjoy The
Speaker 8: cover up was ignited out of loyalty to the family.
Speaker 8: It was supposed to be cut and dry, but as
Speaker 8: the situation unraveled, others would step in to protect their
Speaker 8: dirty little corner of the thin blue line. The same
Speaker 8: cops who were involved in the cover up of Sandra
Speaker 8: Birchmore's murder. Once they got on the train, there was
Speaker 8: no getting off. Loyalty to each other and not going
Speaker 8: to prison is all of the motivation they would need,
Speaker 8: and the Cantin police didn't have the spine to do
Speaker 8: or say anything.
Speaker 5: It's really that simple.
Speaker 8: The boss of this operation is DA Michael W. Morrissey.
Speaker 8: It was ultimately his decision to prosecute Karen Reid, a
Speaker 8: betrayal of his oath, made not in the pursuit of justice,
Speaker 8: but in a desperate attempt to shield himself from peril,
Speaker 8: going so far as to have his loudest critic set
Speaker 8: up arrested and falsely prosecuted. He went on TV and
Speaker 8: no lied about his detective's ties to the Alberts.
Speaker 13: Trooper Proctor had no closed personal relationship with any of the.
Speaker 1: Parties involved in the investigation and had no.
Speaker 2: Conflict, and he had no reason to step out of
Speaker 2: this investigation. Every suggestion to the contrary is a lie,
Speaker 2: a lie, a lie, a lie.
Speaker 1: Wow. Interesting.
Speaker 8: Below we have his lieutenants, President Adam, Hank Brennan, and
Speaker 8: Laura McLaughlin. All knew Karen was innocent, and each compromised
Speaker 8: themselves in their own disgraceful way.
Speaker 15: If you're a Hank Brennan, or even an Adam Lalley
Speaker 15: or Laura McLaughlin, by the way, God help us in
Speaker 15: the judicial system, God help us, you have a broader responsibility,
Speaker 15: not just to do a job, do the right goddamn thing,
Speaker 15: Do the right thing, do the right thing.
Speaker 8: Just like the state police officers, they got involved early
Speaker 8: when the stakes were low, only to find themselves trapped
Speaker 8: and forced to keep doubling down at risk of losing everything.
Speaker 8: The only one who willingly stepped into the fire with
Speaker 8: both feet was Hank Brennan.
Speaker 13: He has a very talented people who handle prosecutions, and
Speaker 13: there's about sixty five attorneys in the office, about one
Speaker 13: hundred and thirty people.
Speaker 8: Still no explanation as to why a special prosecutor was necessary.
Speaker 8: Lally and McLaughlin were assisting, so it can't be due
Speaker 8: to a conflict. People say no attorney in the DA's
Speaker 8: office would touch the case, but I don't buy that.
Speaker 8: It's more likely they were never even asked. Morrissey didn't
Speaker 8: want an ethical staff employee. He needed someone dirty enough
Speaker 8: to do whatever needed to be done, so he hired
Speaker 8: mob lawyer Hank Brennan. He was paid over half a
Speaker 8: million dollars by the taxpayers to do it. Now we
Speaker 8: know exactly how much his reputation is worth to him.
Speaker 1: Now who may not.
Speaker 8: Have been directly involved in the cover up, but still
Speaker 8: helped make it possible. Their motivations typically fall into one
Speaker 8: of three categories. Loyalty to the players, a design tire
Speaker 8: to protect the status quo, or fear of the consequences.
Speaker 8: The Governor, Lieutenant Governor, and Attorney General, all longtime political
Speaker 8: allies of Michael Morrissey, stood by in silence as this
Speaker 8: atrocity unfolded, hoping to avoid the fallout. He endorsed their campaigns,
Speaker 8: and in turn, they silently endorsed his crimes. They had
Speaker 8: the power to intervene and did nothing. Andrea Campbell in particular,
Speaker 8: looked the other way when she should have been providing oversight.
Speaker 8: And now we arrived to the MVP of the entire production,
Speaker 8: Judge Beverly Canonne. Her favoritism toward the prosecution, an open
Speaker 8: hostility toward Reed's defense team, was obvious to anyone watching.
Speaker 7: Her.
Speaker 8: Loyalty to Michael Morrissey, a man to whom she has
Speaker 8: direct ties, is the best explanation for her behavior. She
Speaker 8: seemed to follow two unwavering directives, never dismissed the case
Speaker 8: under any circumstances, and never hold the prosecution accountable for misconduct,
Speaker 8: no matter how blatant. Rounding out the circle is Boston
Speaker 8: Police Commissioner Michael Cox, who crossed the line by intimidating
Speaker 8: Officer Kelly Dever directly influencing her testimony. His actions appear
Speaker 8: to be driven by pure loyalty to either the Norfolk
Speaker 8: DA or his former colleague Brian Albert, but apparently not
Speaker 8: Officer John O'Keefe. None of these people agreed to be
Speaker 8: part of the biggest scandal in Massachusetts history. It was
Speaker 8: supposed to be quietly buried, but once each of them
Speaker 8: took that first step, they were locked in. Despite the
Speaker 8: full force of the state, endless resources, a rigged game,
Speaker 8: and no ethics to speak of, Karen Reid still crushed them.
Speaker 8: But if they thought the nightmare ended with the trial,
Speaker 8: they were dead wrong. Now it's their turn under the spotlight.
Speaker 8: Michael Proctor and Adam Lally are being dragged into courts,
Speaker 8: forced to answer questions under oath, and Team Reid isn't
Speaker 8: slowing down. They're coming straight for the Norfolk DA's office
Speaker 8: and the mass State Police insiders who set her up.
Speaker 8: Turtle Boy and his all star legal team are preparing
Speaker 8: to expose the misconduct committed by the very people who
Speaker 8: tried to take him down.
Speaker 1: This is not the end, friends, This is the charge forward.
Speaker 1: Is that from Nurnberg?
Speaker 5: Yeah? He still peppers some little clips in here.
Speaker 16: There are bad, evil, nefarious players in this.
Speaker 1: The same exact troopers, the same exact detectives, and the
Speaker 1: same exact prosecutors who I have been accusing of being
Speaker 1: complicit in this are the ones who filed these charges
Speaker 1: and came to my house and put me in handcuffs.
Speaker 1: That should shock us ault.
Speaker 5: Yes, he's still talented.
Speaker 13: See I haven't seen Johnny in a while. And call
Speaker 13: the police, and the police and fire show up and
Speaker 13: they find that someone is deceased. The local police have
Speaker 13: to call the state police. The two of them investigate
Speaker 13: the scene and they determine whether or not it's a
Speaker 13: homicide or accident.
Speaker 1: Give it up for Richie microdots in rich up Richie.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, Uh take it away, Dan.
Speaker 5: Chills just why. I mean, I could never do what
Speaker 5: he does. I don't envision things like that. And in
Speaker 5: addition to the like cinematic quality and creativity of it,
Speaker 5: he's weaving in like pretty complex issues and making them
Speaker 5: really simple to understand, and and that's that's very difficult
Speaker 5: to do. So I'm I was very honored to have
Speaker 5: been asked to be here tonight to kind of watch
Speaker 5: this with you guys and give my takeaways. And Richie,
Speaker 5: if you're watching, I continue my admiration of you. I
Speaker 5: think you're you're going places you've You've fully arrived, my friend.
Speaker 5: But as far so, I don't remember where we left
Speaker 5: off with our commentary I know we kind of stopped it.
Speaker 1: I think we're.
Speaker 3: With no the young girl, the.
Speaker 1: Firefighter who you know, it's like your job is to
Speaker 1: save people's lives and here you are. Now, I nania.
Speaker 1: How much grace do we give her? Okay? She's none? Okay,
Speaker 1: so none? And that's because can you tell me? Why
Speaker 1: be a go first? And then then why don't we
Speaker 1: give any grace? Because she's supposed to be a lifesaver.
Speaker 1: Maybe they just told her say that I did it,
Speaker 1: I did it?
Speaker 7: Why?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 11: Well?
Speaker 5: What grace?
Speaker 3: When she's sitting there saying that she knows somebody that
Speaker 3: she named Caitlyn Albert and she didn't know that Brian
Speaker 3: Albert was her father. A case that has been spoken
Speaker 3: about at the you know, at the firehouse, A case
Speaker 3: that that's a big deal in Canton. To find a
Speaker 3: police a Boston police officer on another police officer's lawn,
Speaker 3: like she didn't know where Caitlyn Albert lived. But yet
Speaker 3: you have pictures and she's an acquaintance, you have pictures
Speaker 3: that you're you have your hand on her shoulders, Like
Speaker 3: that's not an acquaintance. I'm sorry. You don't put your
Speaker 3: hands on a stranger. Like, obviously they're friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so it's just the lying part. Nand do
Speaker 1: you have a different take or is you're the.
Speaker 5: Same I well, the conclusion is the same, which is
Speaker 5: I would not cut her any grace and probably and
Speaker 5: I'm not saying you would, DJ. But I know women,
Speaker 5: you know, Bea and I are are women, and women
Speaker 5: tend to be a little bit critical or sometimes hyper
Speaker 5: critical of other women. Maybe we're not VIIa, but that's
Speaker 5: generally the way it goes. I try to make myself
Speaker 5: more of these straight in your crown type of person,
Speaker 5: but there's women who tear other women down. But with
Speaker 5: that said, we agree on the conclusion. I feel that McLaughlin,
Speaker 5: I mean, she's a grown she's a grown adult. I
Speaker 5: think a lot of a lot of people when they
Speaker 5: heard in trial one point zero, oh, look, they went
Speaker 5: to this party together, they went to that outing to
Speaker 5: the beach and they were drinking here and baby shower. Yeah,
Speaker 5: like it felt to me, at least at first blush
Speaker 5: that she was like a young a young woman. She's
Speaker 5: a she's a woman, she's a grown up. She had
Speaker 5: an obligation to tell the truth. However, she got influenced
Speaker 5: whether it was outright or subtle. You know, these subtle
Speaker 5: tees that you were talking about before DJ about you know,
Speaker 5: you guys think we're stupid, and some people don't have
Speaker 5: to say anything at all. It's kind of just subtleties
Speaker 5: as far as I'm concerned, So she should have just
Speaker 5: spoken up. Same with dev like the fact that two
Speaker 5: women allowed themselves, whether for the same reasons or for
Speaker 5: different reasons, to be bullied and influenced by either this
Speaker 5: this family in the community that has power and privilege,
Speaker 5: and you know who was it, Berkowitz said, Brian Albert
Speaker 5: is a pillar of the community, which I have comments on.
Speaker 5: They allowed themselves to be influenced out of fear, retribution,
Speaker 5: whatever it is. I don't operate that way, So I
Speaker 5: find it very hard to give grace for that kind
Speaker 5: of thing. Like you got to face the music. If
Speaker 5: you have an obligation to tell the truth, you tell
Speaker 5: the truth. You don't bow out or you know, cater
Speaker 5: to what other people expect you to say just to
Speaker 5: protect yourself. You just don't do it.
Speaker 1: Well, if we go back to trial one, I'll drop
Speaker 1: a bomb here and just say, well, they twenty at
Speaker 1: least twenty five percent of their case was built on
Speaker 1: I did it.
Speaker 21: I did it.
Speaker 1: She admitted doing it. So if, in fact that she
Speaker 1: didn't do that and they didn't hear that, then she
Speaker 1: was pivotal in helping to create Karen as the actual
Speaker 1: perpetrator of this crime by saying I heard her say
Speaker 1: I did it, I did it, I did it, or
Speaker 1: however many times each changes with each repetition, So yeah,
Speaker 1: you guys may make great points as well. She lied
Speaker 1: and said that she didn't know Kevin Albert and if
Speaker 1: she went to high school, excuse me, Brian alb didn't
Speaker 1: know who he was, And she said, I went to
Speaker 1: high school with a person named So you should be
Speaker 1: ashamed of yourself. Kati McLaughlin, you do not deserve to
Speaker 1: wear a fireman's uniform or a police uniform the way
Speaker 1: that Kelly Dever doesn't deserve to wear a police uniform.
Speaker 1: Because you have you have basically taken the oath and
Speaker 1: done one hundred and eighty degrees from their pointing you north.
Speaker 1: You basically turned around and did south what your oath
Speaker 1: is supposed to be. So that's what I have to
Speaker 1: say to you. Now.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry. Dj I find it really bothersome to me
Speaker 5: as a female that there were there were a lot
Speaker 5: of females in this story, and maybe they all weren't
Speaker 5: fully highlighted in Richie's video. But you've got the Katie McLaughlin's,
Speaker 5: you've got the Kelly Devers. Then you've got the Sarah
Speaker 5: Levinson I think her name is, and Julie Nagel, plus
Speaker 5: Carrie Roberts. If I'm getting all the names right, these
Speaker 5: all women who I mean, everyone's a different person, but
Speaker 5: these are all women who allowed themselves to be manipulated
Speaker 5: to serve a particular purpose in this story, you know
Speaker 5: what I mean, Like whether it was they needed McLaughlin
Speaker 5: Katie to do the I hit him, I hit him,
Speaker 5: I hit him. They needed Julie Nagel to beat to
Speaker 5: see the quote blob on the front lawn. They needed
Speaker 5: Carrie Roberts to validate the I hit him, I hit him,
Speaker 5: I hit him statement. If I'm getting that right, I'm
Speaker 5: a little tired from travel, but she needed to validate
Speaker 5: Jen McCabe's story and then getting thrown in her face
Speaker 5: that she lied, and on that point, as I mentioned
Speaker 5: when it was airing, you know lies her intentional. So
Speaker 5: the fact that the fact that Carrie Roberts said that
Speaker 5: back to Alan Jackson during the trial, like well it
Speaker 5: wasn't intentional and got her feathers all ruffled over that.
Speaker 5: I think she made herself look.
Speaker 1: Worse, oh by saying that, Yeah.
Speaker 5: You know, a lie is a lie if you're going
Speaker 5: to say, well, I didn't intend to do it and
Speaker 5: it gets visibly angry at him.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: I just find that it made it look worse for her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely do it. It looks like you have something. Go ahead, man.
Speaker 3: Well what I was going to mention too, going back
Speaker 3: to Kelly Dever, I think what's really underrated is that,
Speaker 3: out of all the towns in Massachusetts, she gets transferred
Speaker 3: to the Boston Police Department where Brian Albert was a
Speaker 3: veteran retired like how and she got a pay raise.
Speaker 3: So coincidentally she leaves Canton to go where John O'Keefe
Speaker 3: worked at the same place, same place as Brian Albert.
Speaker 3: Like that's just no, out of all the towns of
Speaker 3: mass come.
Speaker 1: On, sketchy, sketchy. One thing. I just want to say.
Speaker 1: I want to answer someone who has this righty here
Speaker 1: someone said here Okay, mob run town. So in my town,
Speaker 1: the two big families were the Blakeley's and the Marchiatis.
Speaker 1: And I never ever got the sense with the local
Speaker 1: state police, and the state police had a trooper barracks
Speaker 1: that was very very close to my mind high school
Speaker 1: walking distance for sure. And I never got the sense
Speaker 1: that the Blakely's or the Margiadas were going to be
Speaker 1: treated and those are two of the powerful families in
Speaker 1: my town, that they were going to be treated differently
Speaker 1: than anybody else who is going to get arrested. So
Speaker 1: what's happening here is not common, I think, and certainly
Speaker 1: not to this level. And there always has to be
Speaker 1: a line that if somebody does something, there's a traffic thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been pulled over as a military guy
Speaker 1: and had police let me off because a Miltay, you
Speaker 1: were speeding or whatever. You didn't come to complete stop,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna let you go because you're in uniform
Speaker 1: or whatever. And police do that for one another. And
Speaker 1: I really don't have a problem with professional courtesy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when there's a Boston police officer who's found dead on
Speaker 1: a lawn, that's when you dispense with professional courtesy. You've
Speaker 1: crossed a line into abject criminality at the felony level,
Speaker 1: and you just and I just like Chris Albert and
Speaker 1: even I don't know that that was a misdemeanor when
Speaker 1: Tim Albert hit that woman in the rear and then
Speaker 1: left the scene. I mean, there's a guy I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna tell you guys real quickly. Heavyweight champion of the UFC,
Speaker 1: John Jones, he has had since he moved out to
Speaker 1: Albuquerque to train at Jackson's Mma, he has had two
Speaker 1: incidents where he hit somebody and disabled his vehicle. And
Speaker 1: on both incidents, including what a month ago, a retired
Speaker 1: APD officer coach Cris Latrell sent me this video. He
Speaker 1: gets out of the car and runs. He does exactly
Speaker 1: the same as what the Alberts do. He gets in
Speaker 1: an accident, cars disabled and he gets out of the
Speaker 1: car and he runs away. He had like a stripper
Speaker 1: in the car or something like that, and she's left
Speaker 1: to tell the police what happened. The police like, what happened.
Speaker 1: I was in here with the heavy with John Jones,
Speaker 1: and we hit the lady and he got out of
Speaker 1: the car and he ran away. He did the exact
Speaker 1: same thing, like a decade ago. Nan take it.
Speaker 5: Away, and I think about the environment of this town
Speaker 5: and or this county or community. And then we hear
Speaker 5: from this confidential source that micro dots has uncovered or
Speaker 5: maybe it was turtle Boy who found the source and
Speaker 5: brought it to micro dots, because it does seem like
Speaker 5: there's the two of them work a little bit in
Speaker 5: tandem in terms of gathering content. So now we have
Speaker 5: the disclosure of a source who I don't remember what
Speaker 5: the source was. He was tweeting something out about this accident,
Speaker 5: I don't remember. For some reason I thought he might
Speaker 5: have been in the media, but maybe he wasn't. And
Speaker 5: then Berkowitz, former chief, the late former chief Berkowitz calls
Speaker 5: him or reaches out to him and says, you got
Speaker 5: to take that down. He's a friend and he's a
Speaker 5: pillar of the community. That is entirely improper for the
Speaker 5: chief of police to do that. It also infringes on
Speaker 5: First Amendment rights. But holding all of that aside, I
Speaker 5: find it a little ridiculous. I guess it would be
Speaker 5: the best word to say that for someone like Brian Albert,
Speaker 5: who's a pillar of the community and who perceivably had
Speaker 5: so much influence in that community, but he packs up
Speaker 5: and leaves and moves to Maine, if I understood correctly,
Speaker 5: or you know, I think I heard he's living up
Speaker 5: in Main now, so and I think it's only a
Speaker 5: matter of time before Chris Albert, well, he's going to
Speaker 5: get dethroned from the Canton select Board. I'm going to
Speaker 5: forecast that, but he'll be gone too. So all in all,
Speaker 5: when you're post two point zero verdict, you'll start to
Speaker 5: see everyone will start to see that they're going to
Speaker 5: all start to move on because they can't be this
Speaker 5: influential power of the community there now and not just
Speaker 5: now whispered about they have not been vindicated. No one
Speaker 5: took their interview on what I for news outlet that
Speaker 5: was seriously and they'll all leave an exit stage left,
Speaker 5: quietly and at different times. So, but I did also
Speaker 5: want to mention one of those spoke to you both before,
Speaker 5: and I don't want to interrupt Fia, but I found
Speaker 5: it very interesting in this video where you have Chief
Speaker 5: Rafferty or she's also the former chief, because now there's
Speaker 5: an interim chief in you had Chief Rafferty and so
Speaker 5: she's a law enforcement and meet Paul Morrissey, the prosecutor,
Speaker 5: giving public statements which we've all heard before, where they
Speaker 5: were choosing a side. They were absolutely saying, no, there's
Speaker 5: no evidence of this, or my kids will look at
Speaker 5: me and determine that I have integrity and I found
Speaker 5: no evidence of any cover up. I'll go further to say,
Speaker 5: as has been discussed very robustly on the stream that
Speaker 5: I watch over the last couple of years, you have
Speaker 5: the hostage video from Morrissey, which is ethically unsound. It
Speaker 5: is violative of the rules of professional conduct. He should
Speaker 5: not be saying things like that. He should not be
Speaker 5: commenting on any witness's credibility or the guilt or innocence
Speaker 5: of any party in a matter. But with the juxtaposition
Speaker 5: of Rafferty and Morrissey saying things publicly trying to shift
Speaker 5: the mindset of the community, it's unheard of. And by
Speaker 5: the way, those were two, in my opinion, very nuclear
Speaker 5: options that were taken, whether it was by Morrissey or
Speaker 5: the Mcalberts, but those were two big bombs to drop.
Speaker 5: Let's have the chief of police go out there on
Speaker 5: a limb and say it and let's have Morrissey go
Speaker 5: out there and record this hostage video. So you know,
Speaker 5: I think, all in all, when when everything is said
Speaker 5: and done, after the things start to work themselves out
Speaker 5: with the civil lawsuit, I'm not talking about the nineteen
Speaker 5: eighty three action. I'm talking about the wrongful death action
Speaker 5: involving the accident, the car accident itself, which Alan Jackson
Speaker 5: and Eliza Little have joined that team. Some point after
Speaker 5: that and possibly before a nineteen eighty three action is
Speaker 5: filed or after it, you're going to start to see
Speaker 5: all of the dominoes fall. And then I'm sorry, I
Speaker 5: got to ramble because I have such strong opinions. I
Speaker 5: don't want to interrupt thea. Although she hasn't spoken because
Speaker 5: I didn't let her get a word in edgewise. It's
Speaker 5: all good.
Speaker 3: We love listening to you.
Speaker 5: By the way, when I was in Disney, some people
Speaker 5: from Boston came up to me and they recognized my
Speaker 5: voice and they said wow. And I said to myself,
Speaker 5: I must talk a lot. But anyway, they didn't tell
Speaker 5: me I talked a lot.
Speaker 1: But oh, you've been on a lot of shows. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's I get around reason. Yeah, you've been on big shows.
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, calling all beings.
Speaker 1: No a good show, but you have been on big shows.
Speaker 5: I did want I did want to mention to you guys,
Speaker 5: the fact that micro dots comments on the the look
Speaker 5: and appearance of some of these witnesses, which to me
Speaker 5: is substantive Jen McCabe, in my opinion, it may not
Speaker 5: be that of the show. Jen McCabe did look emaciated
Speaker 5: in June of twenty twenty three when you overlay that
Speaker 5: on top of the timeline, which is she gets visited
Speaker 5: by the FBI, which no one buys her story whatsoever.
Speaker 5: And then shortly before that, I think he said it
Speaker 5: was that week or within a week before that, Turtle
Speaker 5: Boy dropped an article on this. Although I'm going by
Speaker 5: memory right now that all put its put the ingredients
Speaker 5: in play for her to look unwell and stressed and worried.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you one thing, if the FBI was coming
Speaker 5: to my driveway, and as you said before, DJ, you
Speaker 5: know who you know, you may not know their FBI,
Speaker 5: but they don't come looking like they're selling vacuums or encyclopedias.
Speaker 1: So a federal vehicle, it's going to have US government.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's going to have a US government
Speaker 1: played on the front and the rear.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: And there's most likely embedded blue lights in the grill.
Speaker 1: So and just to what Nony's Treasure House is saying here,
Speaker 1: Judge Judith Shinlan of Brooklyn, New York, who I know
Speaker 1: Nan is very familiar with. Judge Judy always says, if
Speaker 1: you tell the truth, you don't have to have a
Speaker 1: good memory. Yep, if you tell the truth, all of
Speaker 1: you ladies a diver, that other knucklehead who was yelling
Speaker 1: at Alan Jackson, Carrie Roberts, he tell the truth, You're
Speaker 1: don't have to have a good memory. So those were
Speaker 1: those were the only notes I really took was that
Speaker 1: most certainly Jen McKay believes that she forgot who she
Speaker 1: called ten minutes ago. That's another thing that Judge Judy calls.
Speaker 1: You're you're pretty young. I mean, it wasn't that long ago.
Speaker 1: Surely you remember, uh. And there's no question that when
Speaker 1: those guys get out of their vehicle, it's like when
Speaker 1: when when when Bukake gets out of his vehicle? Moron
Speaker 1: power hungry guy that I'm going to have a talk
Speaker 1: with tomorrow night, that he is you know that he's
Speaker 1: a police officer. We're not all stupid. You can see
Speaker 1: that this is an official, a person of power. And
Speaker 1: if you think he looks like that, can you imagine
Speaker 1: FBI agents with blazers. What do you think they're from
Speaker 1: fucking Electra Luxe coming to sell you the latest vacuum, Like,
Speaker 1: we're not idiots. They don't.
Speaker 3: And certainly doesn't look like the ice cream track and it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't look yeah, and they're not you know, I don't
Speaker 1: know if they don't sell like funking' wagonles Encyclopedia's door
Speaker 1: to door anymore. You could see it was a US
Speaker 1: government vehicle when they pulled in the driveway. We're not
Speaker 1: all stupid, and you fucking moron.
Speaker 5: By the way, I'm loving the profanity, which you don't
Speaker 5: use very often a thought, but it's like my love language, DJ,
Speaker 5: and I definitely am inspired to get a We're not
Speaker 5: all stupid made into a T shirt. I really like,
Speaker 5: I never thought of it that way in such a
Speaker 5: succinct way until you started saying it tonight. And if
Speaker 5: you just think about Jen McCabe's story that she tried
Speaker 5: to sell to this jury and just thank god this
Speaker 5: jury did not lap that up like a cat laps
Speaker 5: milk up like thank god they had common sense. But
Speaker 5: if you think about it, she's trying to spin that
Speaker 5: the FEDS who came up to her, and she didn't
Speaker 5: lie to them about who she called or whether she
Speaker 5: called anyone. In addition to that, not only was it
Speaker 5: shortly before, but was pretty contemporaneous between when when she
Speaker 5: called these people and when she actually spoke to the
Speaker 5: FEDS and then lied to them. But she called five people.
Speaker 5: I can't even remember all it was like Brian Albert,
Speaker 5: Kerrie Roberts, missus o'keef, her husband, and maybe your Chad
Speaker 5: will have to more. I don't believe it was some
Speaker 5: advocate Steve Nelson, or think maybe that was who she called.
Speaker 5: I think the Prosecutor's office. But I think conveniently for her,
Speaker 5: she probably spun that into I called Steve Nelson. I
Speaker 5: can't believe I remember that after a long day of travel.
Speaker 5: But with that said, there's no way if she couldn't
Speaker 5: remember that she called five people and tell the FEDS that,
Speaker 5: then her memory is just as bad as Kelly Dever's
Speaker 5: memory is. So as you say, DJ, we're not all that.
Speaker 1: Stupid No not, we're not. I'm gonna get bea in
Speaker 1: here because I gotta get you gotta start shutting the
Speaker 1: show down because I'm at an hour and forty five.
Speaker 1: But go ahead, Bia, Let's get your thoughts on what
Speaker 1: struck you about what she saw in this incredible film
Speaker 1: by Richie micro Dots.
Speaker 3: All right, so we won't address the regular morons, but
Speaker 3: you know what I do want to when I felt
Speaker 3: so bad when I saw Rita get up and speak,
Speaker 3: because you know what it brings me back to. These
Speaker 3: are people living in Canton, who is It's a very
Speaker 3: nice town, and it's so sad that they're that they
Speaker 3: feel like they can't call the police, that they have
Speaker 3: no faith in there. You know that they're ever going
Speaker 3: to get help if they have to call.
Speaker 14: Nine one one.
Speaker 3: So I just you know, I want to bring it
Speaker 3: back to you know, the Canton residence and what they've
Speaker 3: been dealing with, and the corruption and the bad name
Speaker 3: their town has gotten. A lot of these people have
Speaker 3: grown up there and now their town is known everywhere
Speaker 3: in the world and with a bad reputation. So you know,
Speaker 3: I just give my my thoughts and you know, well,
Speaker 3: wishes to the Canton residents who have been dealing with
Speaker 3: this for a long time, and my heart goes out
Speaker 3: to them.
Speaker 1: My question for Nan, I have one one last question,
Speaker 1: because I think I've granted enough, and it's really these
Speaker 1: people that make me curse. I really don't want to
Speaker 1: curse on air, but when somebody's trying to bullshit me,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because I'm a New Yorker,
Speaker 1: something comes out of me that you think that you're
Speaker 1: so smart and I'm so stupid that you can say
Speaker 1: something so patently ridiculous. Because what Nan said earlier, the
Speaker 1: time between when Jen was asked those questions and when
Speaker 1: she made those calls could be measured in seconds and
Speaker 1: not minutes, not even minutes. Seconds, you could measure that,
Speaker 1: and yet she still thinks that we're dumb enough. That
Speaker 1: means you, Jen, think you're smarter than me DJ And
Speaker 1: while I don't think I'm very smart, I'm smarter than
Speaker 1: you obviously, because I don't believe you, or at least
Speaker 1: I'm smart enough not to believe you. Even if you're
Speaker 1: smarter than me, you're not smart enough to fool me
Speaker 1: or bs me. Nan, do you from a psychology standpoint.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is there's anything that you
Speaker 1: studied in law, that you guys discussed in working groups
Speaker 1: or at seminars whereby someone can try to convince themselves
Speaker 1: of a lie, and that I a message right now
Speaker 1: from Canton, BIA. Thank you for saying that, I'm getting
Speaker 1: a message from a Canton resident. Thank you for bringing
Speaker 1: that up, because we forget that, and we can't forget that.
Speaker 6: Nan.
Speaker 1: Are people like Jen and this woman, Katie McLaughlin and
Speaker 1: Carrie Roberts are they able to convince themselves that this
Speaker 1: lie is true? Like they'll tell them, they'll go to
Speaker 1: bed and they'll repeat them or do you think they
Speaker 1: know that they're lying every second of every day.
Speaker 5: Well, it's a great question. I would tell you. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm not a psychologist, I'm not a behaviorist, but I
Speaker 5: will but lawyers actually in certain states are qualified to
Speaker 5: give psychological guidance to clients, and I in fact do that.
Speaker 5: But the nuance of your question befuddles me. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I would have to believe. I've watched enough true crime
Speaker 5: specials on YouTube and some of the mainstream channels to
Speaker 5: say I think if you tell a lie enough you'll
Speaker 5: start to believe it or the truth becomes diluted. You
Speaker 5: just I think it would depend on one's personality traits,
Speaker 5: whether they're dominant, whether they're submissive, whether they're narcissists, you know,
Speaker 5: think about all of the different factors that play into it.
Speaker 5: And then also in addition to that with believing your
Speaker 5: lie over time, I think there also was undue influence
Speaker 5: that comes from whomever, whether it was from the prosecutors Brennan, Lally,
Speaker 5: McLaughlin right, and or between trial one point zero and
Speaker 5: Trial two point zero, there needed to be a change
Speaker 5: in some of the messaging. So I don't know, and
Speaker 5: I think I recall Richie said somewhere that nobody knows
Speaker 5: how how messaging was going around. Were their parties, were
Speaker 5: their meetings were nothing? Maybe nothing is in writing. How
Speaker 5: was certain messaging getting from And I'm speculating Morrissey's office
Speaker 5: or Bally or Brennan or McLaughlin to the key witnesses.
Speaker 5: Were things going through different Alberts, like, for example, Kevin Albert,
Speaker 5: who had reached out to Katie McLaughlin. So it's not
Speaker 5: just believing the lie because you tell it so much,
Speaker 5: but then throwing in the fact that the powers that
Speaker 5: be want you to subtly change it. I think that's
Speaker 5: also what happened to Kelly Dever. You know, she was
Speaker 5: probably well, She certainly was overly prepped on how to
Speaker 5: answer those questions about her false memory, and then it
Speaker 5: all just becomes this mosaic of like, if you look
Speaker 5: at it hard enough, as an intelligent person, which you
Speaker 5: are DJ and you too be a you see the truth.
Speaker 5: They can try to make it look as obscure as
Speaker 5: possible and make you feel like they're gaslighting you into
Speaker 5: believing something, But just stare at it long enough and
Speaker 5: it'll be self evident to you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like you know, like you said, Nan, we're not
Speaker 1: behaviorists or psychologists or psychiatrists that could diagnose sociopathy. So
Speaker 1: we don't and we don't know these persons, and we
Speaker 1: haven't interviewed them, we haven't seen all their body met
Speaker 1: you know. God forbids any one of them sad and
Speaker 1: interviewed with Sergio Dinaro because they wouldn't be able to
Speaker 1: get anything by him, because he knows from a professional perspective,
Speaker 1: he's like a government interrogator. Yeah, he's trained to detect
Speaker 1: lying without the use of the machinery.
Speaker 3: And obviously when they're answering and you can even see
Speaker 3: like Jen is a lot of the times no, as
Speaker 3: she's answering something. And then even in with McLoughlin, she's
Speaker 3: looking down like there's a certain like And again we're
Speaker 3: not behaviorist, but there's some tells that you can tell
Speaker 3: that they're not being you know, when you have to
Speaker 3: keep looking down like in shame, you're obviously not telling
Speaker 3: the truth.
Speaker 1: Val said it right here, your fellow attorney and retired
Speaker 1: attorney Val he La, the official attorney of Colingwell Beings, said,
Speaker 1: does Jenni is so used to burlaying others into agreeing
Speaker 1: with her that she's bewildered by the millions of us
Speaker 1: who saw right through her, Which is accurate.
Speaker 5: Yeah, very accurate.
Speaker 1: Yes, there's a story. Somebody from Canton told me a
Speaker 1: story about a woman And forgive me, Nan if you've
Speaker 1: heard this, I know he has heard it. A woman
Speaker 1: who came over. There were two women at jen another
Speaker 1: woman who's at Jenna Cape's house. A third woman, Kane.
Speaker 1: She offered that woman a beer. The woman said no,
Speaker 1: and as she walked in the kitchen, with the other woman.
Speaker 1: She said, watch, I'm going to get her to drink
Speaker 1: a beer. Manipulation is her thing. And then she did
Speaker 1: end up getting that woman to drink a beer. And
Speaker 1: it makes me sick that somebody would do that unless
Speaker 1: you're at like a frat party in college freshman year.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get this guy to drink. But yeah, that
Speaker 1: Jen mckabe probably finds us to be sporting, but she's
Speaker 1: not very convincing at all. She's not even a good
Speaker 1: liar except for the weak minded, right, Like the Jedi
Speaker 1: says that when the Jedi goes like this and goes,
Speaker 1: we were never hear and he goes, that doesn't it
Speaker 1: works on the weak minded. It doesn't work on us,
Speaker 1: doesn't work on Joba the hut and stuff.
Speaker 5: You know, that's a good point. The weak minded. You
Speaker 5: know that they spit it, Brian Albert as well Jen mcabe.
Speaker 5: They spin their little tails, and the weak minded soak
Speaker 5: it up and fall for it. And I mean, I've
Speaker 5: seen that parallel in real life recently, where you'll have
Speaker 5: someone trying to exert to overly influence others to do
Speaker 5: or believe a certain story. So yeah, it doesn't work.
Speaker 5: And I think that's where you start to see and
Speaker 5: we'll start to see more of the unraveling that's going
Speaker 5: to come. I remember being on your show months ago
Speaker 5: saying there's going to be a reckoning that's going to come,
Speaker 5: and I think there still will be a reckoning now
Speaker 5: that we're on the other side of the verdict, and
Speaker 5: it was a favorable one. You were going to start
Speaker 5: to see more and more of the unraveling and the
Speaker 5: production of the emails that have come out that I
Speaker 5: started to see today is a good example of it.
Speaker 1: And I had the opportunity to to spend about an hour,
Speaker 1: maybe hour and a half on the phone with someone
Speaker 1: who was an underclassman at Canon High School when Jen
Speaker 1: went there. And I believe she's one grade or two
Speaker 1: grades younger than Jen. So she's from Obviously, she's from Canton.
Speaker 1: Obviously she's a woman in her forties. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to say who she is, but she did tell me
Speaker 1: a lot about that family, Jen and her family, and
Speaker 1: it's consistent with what you guys think about her, is
Speaker 1: consistent with what this woman knows about her, having went
Speaker 1: to school with her and watched her as an actor,
Speaker 1: and they're talking about Sergio Genaro's channels called truth Deville.
Speaker 1: He has already reviewed most of them and says they
Speaker 1: are lying. He's a great watch. Yeah he knows. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's interrogated terrorists, he knows what he's looking for. He's
Speaker 1: been he's been trained. So all right, we got to
Speaker 1: get out of here, guys. This has been a fantastic show. Nan.
Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for joining us again. The
Speaker 1: audience just loves you. I mean, what can I say?
Speaker 5: Thanks guys. Always great to be here. I look forward
Speaker 5: to the next time. And I'm also I think there's
Speaker 5: some hearings coming up for Aiden. I know there's one
Speaker 5: next week. I can't get to it. I was going
Speaker 5: to get to it, but I now can't. But I'm
Speaker 5: happy to support any efforts you want to take for
Speaker 5: or make for Aiden, or any any advancements for Karen
Speaker 5: Reid moving forward, or if you ever need anything at all.
Speaker 1: Well just to talk to you. Yeah, so we will.
Speaker 1: It could be all the above. Haarra. I got to
Speaker 1: get my little baby Hara out of here.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
Speaker 3: The hearing is Freiden's on the thirteen, so this coming.
Speaker 1: Wednesday, August. And what we do want to announce. So
Speaker 1: there will be a meal of food thinking October twelfth
Speaker 1: in Norwood at Irish Brewing Company. So there will be
Speaker 1: another meal of food such that we did in Detim
Speaker 1: and then we did one in we did one in Norwood,
Speaker 1: so we're going to do another one in Norwood because
Speaker 1: they were so awesome. So you'll see stuff come out
Speaker 1: on Twitter about that, and we'll probably get have some
Speaker 1: sort of a sign up just to have an idea
Speaker 1: of how many Kevin from South Boston, thank you very
Speaker 1: Sergio is amazing, he is, Thank you so much, Nan,
Speaker 1: Thank you, Boston Bella, thank you chat As. I'm so
Speaker 1: glad that Haro didn't decide to hold on to my skin.
Speaker 1: So that was so October. I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: October twelfth, the night of October twelfth, could be the thirteenth,
Speaker 1: if you guys like that better. But I'll call you
Speaker 1: Michelle and we can coordinate. Coordinate, as I said in
Speaker 1: boomerang with Eddie Murphy. All right on behalf of Nan
Speaker 1: Gallanher and Boston, Bia. This is DJ saying peace out,
Speaker 1: one love and we'll see you where.
Speaker 3: On the other side down the road.
Speaker 5: Bye guys,