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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing. Our special guest, Ron James, filmmaker UFO researcher,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd like to get in on the conversation. We call

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<v Speaker 1>it Theater of the Mind. The contact number for tonight

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<v Speaker 1>seven Ron, this is interesting for the eighty plus years

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<v Speaker 1>or more here something around the United States. What I'm

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<v Speaker 1>amazed about and I'm still fascinated by this subject. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I've met, as you've probably heard many times before. The

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<v Speaker 1>audience probably doesn't want to hear every story I have

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<v Speaker 1>to say, but the Barney and Betty Hill story. I

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<v Speaker 1>was close to Betty Hill, of course, Travis Walton, and

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<v Speaker 1>so many others. Doctor Stanton Friedman, what is it? We

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<v Speaker 1>have not one credible shred of evidence, so they say

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<v Speaker 1>about any of this, and I'm not trying to disclaim

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<v Speaker 1>anything that you're trying to say here. I'm very fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>by this. Where do we go with this? Because unless

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<v Speaker 1>I'm wrong, is there anything that we've ever recovered that

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<v Speaker 1>we can prove or show somebody in a town hall

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<v Speaker 1>meeting at this point in time, And that's where many

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<v Speaker 1>people get to be really skeptical and say, ah, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>there's never been anything. I don't see anything. Show me

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<v Speaker 1>you know. I'm from Missouri. No, I'm from all over

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<v Speaker 1>the place. Tell us more about that. I mean, again,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a disclaimer to what you're talking about. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just so fascinating that the beat goes on and the

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<v Speaker 1>word disclosure really hasn't come to us. Tell us more

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<v Speaker 1>about this from your perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, certainly skeptics of this topic have a

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<v Speaker 2>valid argument, and.

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<v Speaker 3>That's one of them.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a lot of investigators that have been documenting

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 3>And even though we don't have.

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<v Speaker 2>The actual documentation of oh, here's the spaceship, but we're

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<v Speaker 2>at the point where, well, we know where they are,

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<v Speaker 2>and we know where they were recovered, and we know

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<v Speaker 2>who the people involved were.

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<v Speaker 3>But from the very time the US government.

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<v Speaker 2>Took lead on maintaining secrecy from society, which they took

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<v Speaker 2>basically from the churches and the religious institutions, from the

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<v Speaker 2>very time this thing was agreed upon to be covered up,

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<v Speaker 2>it is truly the most elaborate operation in the history

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<v Speaker 2>of intelligence agencies and the history of militaries, in the

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<v Speaker 2>history of political processes to do this, and they have

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<v Speaker 2>gotten very very good over the years of completely sequestering

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<v Speaker 2>this information, making it something subject to public ridicule, and

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<v Speaker 2>being the first guy is to be on the scene

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<v Speaker 2>when one of these things occurred and wrapping it up

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<v Speaker 2>and threatening anybody who knew anything about it. And the

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<v Speaker 2>history of this is you know, it's well documented, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're right, it's well documented against a operation of complete secrecy.

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<v Speaker 2>And so yeah, do we have a flying saucer to

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<v Speaker 2>parade out and let me come look at it?

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<v Speaker 3>We don't right now, but we might soon.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting when we talk about David Grush, not to

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<v Speaker 1>disparage him, atal I like what he's talking about, but again,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's a pretty brave soul. Have you met

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<v Speaker 1>him and shared some information back and forth, because he's

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<v Speaker 1>telling us all these things, but he leads us to

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<v Speaker 1>the edge of the club and there's no parachute to

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<v Speaker 1>go down, or there's no edge, you know, there's no

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<v Speaker 1>bridge to cross that. You know, that big expanse. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why I'm so fascinated about him. Can you tell us

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<v Speaker 1>more about this individual? Because hearing all these things about

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<v Speaker 1>UFO researchers that have died, killed, murdered suicide. This guy's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty brave. What do you know about David Grush that

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<v Speaker 1>you can share to this audience that maybe other shows

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<v Speaker 1>or other people haven't even been able to get shared

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<v Speaker 1>with us.

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<v Speaker 2>What you know, well, you know, David Grush is I

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<v Speaker 2>have this thing that I say and about so called whistleblowers.

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<v Speaker 2>And what that is is that right now we have

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<v Speaker 2>this group of people that are being called whistleblowers. But

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<v Speaker 2>the fact of the matter is, and I will stick

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<v Speaker 2>to this, if you have to clear what you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to say through the Department of Defense before you can

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<v Speaker 2>say it, you're not a whistleblower. You're a participant in narrative.

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<v Speaker 2>And David Grush has a great dramatic story in the

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<v Speaker 2>New Accidental Truth movie. There's ten minutes or maybe it's

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<v Speaker 2>seven minutes. There's seven minutes of the film where I

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<v Speaker 2>interviewed Ross Coltart and Ralph Blumenthal, who are both the

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<v Speaker 2>guys that brought the David Grush story to the public.

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<v Speaker 2>And the backstory for how all that went down is fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>It was true spy versus spy cloak and Daggers stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that was going on, and it was a real nailbider.

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<v Speaker 3>I've crossed paths with.

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<v Speaker 2>David, I've not had the chance to sit down and

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<v Speaker 2>have a long interview with them. I tend to get

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<v Speaker 2>turned down by some of these people because they know

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<v Speaker 2>that I know how to ask the right questions and

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<v Speaker 2>they don't want to sit for me. So this does

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<v Speaker 2>happen to me. But yeah, so David's background is legit,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think, and I've been told that he's putting

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<v Speaker 2>out information that he's authorized to put out and it's

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<v Speaker 2>still not being proven. But it goes back to how

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<v Speaker 2>they tried to design what I call this new disclosure

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<v Speaker 2>process way back starting before twenty seventeen. And I could

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<v Speaker 2>go into that, but it would say it's a lengthy diatral.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know this is all part of the controlled narrative.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I kind of get that. And you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>hear other hosts on this great radio station and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this subject. People hear it, they see it on television,

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<v Speaker 1>and mister Cuomo was talking, I think in some of

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<v Speaker 1>his guest interviews, talking about the whole thing that in

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<v Speaker 1>his words, not to quote him exactly, if this is true,

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably on the biggest story in all of history,

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<v Speaker 1>that there are other intelligences or quote, even if they're

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<v Speaker 1>not intelligent, who knows other life forms out in the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>And I wonder not to sound naive, not to sound

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<v Speaker 1>naive to the audience, why can't we just hear that

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<v Speaker 1>this is real? I mean, then again, the whole house

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<v Speaker 1>of cards might collapse because of it. Some I've talked

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<v Speaker 1>about changes in how we think about the world, religion, government,

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<v Speaker 1>all that kind of stuff. Maybe I've just answered my

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<v Speaker 1>own concerns. But Ron James jump in on this, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's incredible. I'm a person who studied astronomy

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<v Speaker 1>my whole life, and the sky. You do this as

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<v Speaker 1>a journalist. I'm just amazed. Maybe it's too simple from

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<v Speaker 1>my perspective to say, well, of course, there's trillions of

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<v Speaker 1>stars out there, many are like that of the Sun,

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<v Speaker 1>many and may have planetary objects, and we can talk

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<v Speaker 1>about one in a minute. But your take on this,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's the biggest news story in all of history,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't you agree if that's to be told to us?

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<v Speaker 3>Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Powerful, Yeah, absolutely, it's the biggest deception that's ever faced humanity.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's interesting, Doctor Sky is that it's not a

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<v Speaker 2>new deception. This information has been both shared with humanity

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<v Speaker 2>and kept from humanity since the dawn of our ability

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<v Speaker 2>to take written records. If you look back at the

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<v Speaker 2>Samerian texts, which are one of the first sets of

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<v Speaker 2>written records ever in this current iteration of human civilization,

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<v Speaker 2>they arguably tell the story of non human extraterrestrial species

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<v Speaker 2>that come to Earth and interacted with us in a

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<v Speaker 2>very blatant way. And if we look at all of

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<v Speaker 2>our religious teachings, we have angels, we have demons, we

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<v Speaker 2>have the Book of Ezekiel, things like that that actually point.

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<v Speaker 3>To Although you could argue.

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<v Speaker 2>About the filters we're seeing them through, but acknowledging non

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<v Speaker 2>human intelligence is part of the human story. There's not

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<v Speaker 2>a spiritual teaching on the planet that does not have

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<v Speaker 2>This is a major feature.