Speaker 1: It's amazing. Our special guest, Ron James, filmmaker UFO researcher,
Speaker 1: you'd like to get in on the conversation. We call
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Speaker 1: seven Ron, this is interesting for the eighty plus years
Speaker 1: or more here something around the United States. What I'm
Speaker 1: amazed about and I'm still fascinated by this subject. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've met, as you've probably heard many times before. The
Speaker 1: audience probably doesn't want to hear every story I have
Speaker 1: to say, but the Barney and Betty Hill story. I
Speaker 1: was close to Betty Hill, of course, Travis Walton, and
Speaker 1: so many others. Doctor Stanton Friedman, what is it? We
Speaker 1: have not one credible shred of evidence, so they say
Speaker 1: about any of this, and I'm not trying to disclaim
Speaker 1: anything that you're trying to say here. I'm very fascinated
Speaker 1: by this. Where do we go with this? Because unless
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, is there anything that we've ever recovered that
Speaker 1: we can prove or show somebody in a town hall
Speaker 1: meeting at this point in time, And that's where many
Speaker 1: people get to be really skeptical and say, ah, you know,
Speaker 1: there's never been anything. I don't see anything. Show me
Speaker 1: you know. I'm from Missouri. No, I'm from all over
Speaker 1: the place. Tell us more about that. I mean, again,
Speaker 1: I'm not a disclaimer to what you're talking about. It's
Speaker 1: just so fascinating that the beat goes on and the
Speaker 1: word disclosure really hasn't come to us. Tell us more
Speaker 1: about this from your perspective.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, certainly skeptics of this topic have a
Speaker 2: valid argument, and.
Speaker 3: That's one of them.
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of investigators that have been documenting
Speaker 2: this stuff for a very long time.
Speaker 3: And even though we don't have.
Speaker 2: The actual documentation of oh, here's the spaceship, but we're
Speaker 2: at the point where, well, we know where they are,
Speaker 2: and we know where they were recovered, and we know
Speaker 2: who the people involved were.
Speaker 3: But from the very time the US government.
Speaker 2: Took lead on maintaining secrecy from society, which they took
Speaker 2: basically from the churches and the religious institutions, from the
Speaker 2: very time this thing was agreed upon to be covered up,
Speaker 2: it is truly the most elaborate operation in the history
Speaker 2: of intelligence agencies and the history of militaries, in the
Speaker 2: history of political processes to do this, and they have
Speaker 2: gotten very very good over the years of completely sequestering
Speaker 2: this information, making it something subject to public ridicule, and
Speaker 2: being the first guy is to be on the scene
Speaker 2: when one of these things occurred and wrapping it up
Speaker 2: and threatening anybody who knew anything about it. And the
Speaker 2: history of this is you know, it's well documented, but
Speaker 2: you're right, it's well documented against a operation of complete secrecy.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, do we have a flying saucer to
Speaker 2: parade out and let me come look at it?
Speaker 3: We don't right now, but we might soon.
Speaker 1: It's interesting when we talk about David Grush, not to
Speaker 1: disparage him, atal I like what he's talking about, but again,
Speaker 1: I think he's a pretty brave soul. Have you met
Speaker 1: him and shared some information back and forth, because he's
Speaker 1: telling us all these things, but he leads us to
Speaker 1: the edge of the club and there's no parachute to
Speaker 1: go down, or there's no edge, you know, there's no
Speaker 1: bridge to cross that. You know, that big expanse. That's
Speaker 1: why I'm so fascinated about him. Can you tell us
Speaker 1: more about this individual? Because hearing all these things about
Speaker 1: UFO researchers that have died, killed, murdered suicide. This guy's
Speaker 1: pretty brave. What do you know about David Grush that
Speaker 1: you can share to this audience that maybe other shows
Speaker 1: or other people haven't even been able to get shared
Speaker 1: with us.
Speaker 2: What you know, well, you know, David Grush is I
Speaker 2: have this thing that I say and about so called whistleblowers.
Speaker 2: And what that is is that right now we have
Speaker 2: this group of people that are being called whistleblowers. But
Speaker 2: the fact of the matter is, and I will stick
Speaker 2: to this, if you have to clear what you're going
Speaker 2: to say through the Department of Defense before you can
Speaker 2: say it, you're not a whistleblower. You're a participant in narrative.
Speaker 2: And David Grush has a great dramatic story in the
Speaker 2: New Accidental Truth movie. There's ten minutes or maybe it's
Speaker 2: seven minutes. There's seven minutes of the film where I
Speaker 2: interviewed Ross Coltart and Ralph Blumenthal, who are both the
Speaker 2: guys that brought the David Grush story to the public.
Speaker 2: And the backstory for how all that went down is fascinating.
Speaker 2: It was true spy versus spy cloak and Daggers stuff
Speaker 2: that was going on, and it was a real nailbider.
Speaker 3: I've crossed paths with.
Speaker 2: David, I've not had the chance to sit down and
Speaker 2: have a long interview with them. I tend to get
Speaker 2: turned down by some of these people because they know
Speaker 2: that I know how to ask the right questions and
Speaker 2: they don't want to sit for me. So this does
Speaker 2: happen to me. But yeah, so David's background is legit,
Speaker 2: but I think, and I've been told that he's putting
Speaker 2: out information that he's authorized to put out and it's
Speaker 2: still not being proven. But it goes back to how
Speaker 2: they tried to design what I call this new disclosure
Speaker 2: process way back starting before twenty seventeen. And I could
Speaker 2: go into that, but it would say it's a lengthy diatral.
Speaker 3: But you know this is all part of the controlled narrative.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of get that. And you know, we
Speaker 1: hear other hosts on this great radio station and talk
Speaker 1: about this subject. People hear it, they see it on television,
Speaker 1: and mister Cuomo was talking, I think in some of
Speaker 1: his guest interviews, talking about the whole thing that in
Speaker 1: his words, not to quote him exactly, if this is true,
Speaker 1: it's probably on the biggest story in all of history,
Speaker 1: that there are other intelligences or quote, even if they're
Speaker 1: not intelligent, who knows other life forms out in the universe.
Speaker 1: And I wonder not to sound naive, not to sound
Speaker 1: naive to the audience, why can't we just hear that
Speaker 1: this is real? I mean, then again, the whole house
Speaker 1: of cards might collapse because of it. Some I've talked
Speaker 1: about changes in how we think about the world, religion, government,
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Maybe I've just answered my
Speaker 1: own concerns. But Ron James jump in on this, because
Speaker 1: you know, it's incredible. I'm a person who studied astronomy
Speaker 1: my whole life, and the sky. You do this as
Speaker 1: a journalist. I'm just amazed. Maybe it's too simple from
Speaker 1: my perspective to say, well, of course, there's trillions of
Speaker 1: stars out there, many are like that of the Sun,
Speaker 1: many and may have planetary objects, and we can talk
Speaker 1: about one in a minute. But your take on this,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the biggest news story in all of history,
Speaker 1: wouldn't you agree if that's to be told to us?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 2: Powerful, Yeah, absolutely, it's the biggest deception that's ever faced humanity.
Speaker 2: And what's interesting, Doctor Sky is that it's not a
Speaker 2: new deception. This information has been both shared with humanity
Speaker 2: and kept from humanity since the dawn of our ability
Speaker 2: to take written records. If you look back at the
Speaker 2: Samerian texts, which are one of the first sets of
Speaker 2: written records ever in this current iteration of human civilization,
Speaker 2: they arguably tell the story of non human extraterrestrial species
Speaker 2: that come to Earth and interacted with us in a
Speaker 2: very blatant way. And if we look at all of
Speaker 2: our religious teachings, we have angels, we have demons, we
Speaker 2: have the Book of Ezekiel, things like that that actually point.
Speaker 3: To Although you could argue.
Speaker 2: About the filters we're seeing them through, but acknowledging non
Speaker 2: human intelligence is part of the human story. There's not
Speaker 2: a spiritual teaching on the planet that does not have
Speaker 2: This is a major feature.