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<v Speaker 1>Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys are your favorites, so like say subscribe and

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<v Speaker 2>raid it, lip Star and me greatest on Yesterday and

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<v Speaker 2>listening watching Lin always keep it Squatchy and now your

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<v Speaker 2>hosts Cliff Berrickman and James Bubo Fay.

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<v Speaker 1>Good evening, Bobo, how are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Most excellent sir? How are you?

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<v Speaker 1>I am also most excellent, having a good day. I

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<v Speaker 1>worked at the shop today, but I've got an exciting

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of news for you. Bobes. Do you know

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<v Speaker 1>who our guest is tonight? I think you do.

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<v Speaker 3>Good Man from Ohio, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>The man like not just a capital T man like

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<v Speaker 1>thhe capital the man in Ohio, the guy who kind

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<v Speaker 1>of put Ohio on the map as a squatchy location.

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<v Speaker 1>It is and always have. Our guest today is largely

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<v Speaker 1>responsible for the public knowing about it instead of just

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<v Speaker 1>the bigfoots. So, ladies and gentlemen, it is with extreme

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<v Speaker 1>honor that I am bringing on Don Keating to our

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<v Speaker 1>show tonight. Don thank you so much. If you could

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<v Speaker 1>see me now, you'd realize I'm bowing to you. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for coming on the show with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm humbled.

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<v Speaker 1>We are humbled. We are humbled.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Don Hey Bobo.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the invitation to be on the show. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>probably one of the most modest people that you ever meet,

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<v Speaker 2>because I hear a lot of people will say things

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<v Speaker 2>like what Cliff just said. And you know, when I

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<v Speaker 2>started out back in nineteen eighty four, my opinion of

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<v Speaker 2>myself and my hobby then is just the same then

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<v Speaker 2>as it is now. I'm an ordinary person with an

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<v Speaker 2>extraordinary hobby. And you know, I just tried to do

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<v Speaker 2>what I thought was right and best to try and

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<v Speaker 2>get some reports and information together from Ohio, Eastern Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>in particular, because that's where I'm from. And one thing

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<v Speaker 2>led to another, and I'm sure we'll talk about several

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<v Speaker 2>of those things this evening.

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<v Speaker 3>It led the money Maker going back to Ohio.

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<v Speaker 2>It did. Yeah. I was just telling Cliff beforehand that

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<v Speaker 2>one of the first correspondences I got from him was

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety five, and it was a matrix printer

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<v Speaker 2>printed letter that was sent in the mail. It was

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<v Speaker 2>even before we really got into the email and heavy

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<v Speaker 2>and I met Matt several times here in Eastern Ohio,

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<v Speaker 2>and he came down a few times and we went

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<v Speaker 2>out to the woods together and talked about several things.

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<v Speaker 2>So I knew Matt way back when when he was

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<v Speaker 2>just getting started here in Ohio and he was residing

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<v Speaker 2>up in the Akron area. And myself and another fellow

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<v Speaker 2>by name Matt Hesson went to Bolivar one evening along

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<v Speaker 2>I seventy seven at the Stark Tuscaroras County line, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's the first time I had met Matt Moneymaker in person,

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<v Speaker 2>and we talked with him, and he said, look, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to try and get some reports flowing from this

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<v Speaker 2>part of Ohio because as a parent that there are

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things going on here, and it's rich

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<v Speaker 2>in folklore, and it's rich in reports that have happened

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<v Speaker 2>not only in the recent past, but in the distant past.

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<v Speaker 2>So he brought some bumper stickers down that had two

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<v Speaker 2>phone numbers on it. One of them was for Matt

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<v Speaker 2>Moneymaker and one of them was for this fellow by

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<v Speaker 2>name is Matt Hesson. And that's how we started getting

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<v Speaker 2>the ball rolling here in eastern Ohio and northeastern Ohio

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<v Speaker 2>thanks to Matt Moneymaker. By getting those bumper stickers out there,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's how people started just contacting one of the

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<v Speaker 2>two numbers and getting the information flowing.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that guy at the he's the guy at the

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio conference that comes every year with the big like

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<v Speaker 1>black cowboy hat. Is that that dude? And there you go,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, he's a good guy. I talk

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<v Speaker 1>to him every year. I didn't know. I didn't ever

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<v Speaker 1>put the name together though, a few years ago. He

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<v Speaker 1>gave me one of those bumper stickers and I wish

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<v Speaker 1>I still had it, but he gave me one of

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<v Speaker 1>the bumper stickers to give to Matt Moneymaker, saying that

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<v Speaker 1>Matt says hello. And when I gave it to Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>and I didn't know that. I didn't know this little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of history that you just dropped on us. By

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<v Speaker 1>the way, that's kind of new to me. But when

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<v Speaker 1>I gave it to money Maker, like you should have

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<v Speaker 1>seen his eyes, it was like Christmas. He goes, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, you know, and that very oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>look at that, you know, during Matt money Maker's sort

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<v Speaker 1>of way, and I could just tell that it brought

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<v Speaker 1>him such pleasure to see that. So now now I

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<v Speaker 1>know a little bit more about why it was so

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<v Speaker 1>pleasurable for him to see that. That's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure. I'm sure that the flashbacks happened immediately because

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<v Speaker 2>that was I think it was during the spring of

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety five, and you know, that was a few

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<v Speaker 2>years ago and very interesting, a lot of.

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<v Speaker 1>History, a lot of history. So that was the first

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<v Speaker 1>time you encountered money maker. Was he as just as

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<v Speaker 1>intense as he as he is today back then?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I believe. So. He was very adamant about

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<v Speaker 2>getting the bumper stickers distributed. He was adamant about getting

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<v Speaker 2>some phone calls. As you know, if we knew something

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<v Speaker 2>had come in, he wanted to know about it right

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<v Speaker 2>away so we could get out into the field together

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<v Speaker 2>and investigate things. He was very intense about it then

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<v Speaker 2>and as he is now, and I still see the

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<v Speaker 2>fire and the get go in his eyes. When I

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<v Speaker 2>seen him here in Ohio last month, he was just

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<v Speaker 2>the same person, except twenty seven years older that he

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<v Speaker 2>was back then. You know, he's he's still got to

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<v Speaker 2>get up and go, and I got to get give

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<v Speaker 2>him kudos for that. A lot of people who he's

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<v Speaker 2>been into it this long would just give up by now.

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<v Speaker 3>But not him.

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<v Speaker 2>I think he's just as as adamant about going after it,

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<v Speaker 2>if not more so now than what he was then.

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<v Speaker 3>Adam. That's a good word from that.

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<v Speaker 1>It really is. Yeah. Yeah, I'll tell you he's a

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<v Speaker 1>fiery soul to say the least. Well, enough about Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we'll talk about we'll get into him and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe as we go through the chronology of a Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 1>in Ohio here. But am I right in thinking? Have

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<v Speaker 1>it in my head that you started your whole journey

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<v Speaker 1>in this subject in like nineteen eighty two.

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<v Speaker 2>I wrote an article for the Newcomerstown News in nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Eighty eighty, so before that. But if you wrote it,

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<v Speaker 1>if you wrote an article in nineteen eighty, you must

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<v Speaker 1>have been interested before that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It kind of goes back to the late seventies. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I don't really consider it the official beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of my fascination with the phenomena, but it started back

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<v Speaker 2>in the late seventies. And I'll tell you hell or hew,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was when our family went to the local

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<v Speaker 2>drive in the theater to see a movie, of all things,

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<v Speaker 2>the Legend of Volge Creek, and that film just scared

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<v Speaker 2>to be Jesus out of me because of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the thing trying to get into the door of the house.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, after knowing Smokey for as long as

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<v Speaker 2>I did and talking to him and reading his book

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<v Speaker 2>after a while, some of this stuff, you know, might

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<v Speaker 2>have been kind of exaggerated in the film as compared

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<v Speaker 2>to what actually happened. But that's how I officially got

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<v Speaker 2>the interest. And you know, it led, one thing led

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<v Speaker 2>to another. It was kind of on and off. I

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<v Speaker 2>graduated high school in nineteen eighty one, and when I

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<v Speaker 2>graduated school in eighty one, my fascination was meteorology. I

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<v Speaker 2>could cared less about cryptozoological stuff, and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>become a TV weather guy. And one thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they say, life is life is made up of a

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<v Speaker 2>few intersections in the highway and the highway one of

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<v Speaker 2>the intersections was when our family had an unusual encounter

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<v Speaker 2>back in nineteen seventy six, and I went to the

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<v Speaker 2>local library in nineteen eighty four to see if I

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<v Speaker 2>could find a book about UFOs, to see if I

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<v Speaker 2>could find something that looks similar to what we had

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<v Speaker 2>seen in nineteen seventy six. I didn't find anything, so

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<v Speaker 2>I thought, well, hey, here's an interesting looking book, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was The Sasquash The Gaps among Us by John Green,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's when I really started getting heavy into it.

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<v Speaker 2>But as far as my official, you know, really getting

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<v Speaker 2>into it would have been nineteen eighty when I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>the article for the Newcomberstown News about strange incidents that

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<v Speaker 2>had been taking place in the an area known as

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<v Speaker 2>Lake Llah four miles west of here.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't wan a side note about that legend of

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<v Speaker 1>Boggy CREEKDN. You know, Bobo and I met the actor

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<v Speaker 1>who played the guy with the arm coming through the

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<v Speaker 1>wall and stuff like that, you know, the legend of

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<v Speaker 1>Boggie Creek with an arm coming through the window. We

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<v Speaker 1>met through the door. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we met that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just an actor, of course. But I'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>you that scene that affected you also affected me in

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<v Speaker 1>such a way that, honestly, I'm not a proud man.

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<v Speaker 1>And all nobody listens this podcast so I can say this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I teared up when I met that guy because

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<v Speaker 1>of such a huge the role he played in my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't believe I had the honor of meeting him,

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<v Speaker 1>and I believe he's passed away now too, I remember, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was a very interesting, very interesting part of

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<v Speaker 2>the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It scared the hell out of me.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well me and you both exactly. Yes, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there you have it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So you wrote this article in about nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, and do you remember your very

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<v Speaker 1>first maybe witness that you spoke to.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as actual sidings are concerned, I spoke to

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<v Speaker 2>three of them. They were teenage boys from Newcomers Town.

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<v Speaker 2>I found out about this encounter as a result of

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<v Speaker 2>a newspaper article written on August twenty fourth or twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eighth of nineteen eighty four from the Newcomerstown News. There

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<v Speaker 2>were three boys that were down on the south side

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<v Speaker 2>of the Tuscaroas River, which runs along the southern part

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<v Speaker 2>of town, down at a substation, a power substation, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were just being typical teenage boys walking around having

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<v Speaker 2>a good time in late April, as spring was in

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<v Speaker 2>the air, and they were walking this trail and they

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<v Speaker 2>turned a corner in the trail and ahead of them,

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<v Speaker 2>standing beside a tree was what they described as a

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<v Speaker 2>seven to eight foot tall, dark brown to black hair

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<v Speaker 2>covered creature on two legs. Standing there pulling leaves or

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<v Speaker 2>something to that effect off of a tree and eating them.

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<v Speaker 2>They looked at each other and didn't know what it was,

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<v Speaker 2>and they turned around and they high tailed it all

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<v Speaker 2>the way back to the bridge that they had to

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<v Speaker 2>cross to cross the river, which was about a mile.

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<v Speaker 2>I spoke to those boys individually and as a group.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm thoroughly convinced that they believe they seen what they

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<v Speaker 2>seen that day. One of the boys' skeptical fathers, he

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<v Speaker 2>went down to the location with him to show him

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<v Speaker 2>where it was at, and they found a large human

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<v Speaker 2>like footprint near that tree. And the father told the boy,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, do not come back here again, because you

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what you're dealing with. Those are the first

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<v Speaker 2>three people that I actually spoke to that claim to

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<v Speaker 2>have ever seen anything in the Newcomers Town area or

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere else as far as ask concern.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, since that time, that's pretty old sighting at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Since that time, I'm assuming I think it's a safe assumption,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps that you have followed up on other reports, say

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<v Speaker 1>within five or ten miles of that location.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I've followed up on numerous reports from here from

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<v Speaker 2>within five or ten miles of here, the numbers could

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<v Speaker 2>easily be into the dozens. Yeah, because newcomers town. If

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<v Speaker 2>people don't know, it's in east central Ohio. It's on

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<v Speaker 2>the foothills of the Alleghanies southwestern Tuscaroras County. Not too

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<v Speaker 2>far from here in Coshocton County is what they call

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<v Speaker 2>the Woodbury Wildlife Area. That area is around twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five thousand acres ten to fifteen miles as the crow flies.

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<v Speaker 2>South of there, along the southern parts of Coshocton northern

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<v Speaker 2>Muskingham County, along the Wills Creek area, there is what

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<v Speaker 2>they call the AEP cool Lands, the American Electric Power

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<v Speaker 2>cool Lands. It's old mining territory that they've reclaimed and

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<v Speaker 2>it's now considered public hunting, fishing, and hiking. All you

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<v Speaker 2>have to have to have is a lifetime permit to

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<v Speaker 2>be out there in common sense, of course, and that

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<v Speaker 2>area out there has tens of thousands of acres not

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<v Speaker 2>only of woodlands, but of waterways. Those areas are within

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five miles of me, both of them, and to

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<v Speaker 2>assume that there would be nothing out there would be

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely ridiculous because a lot of the high walls that

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<v Speaker 2>were left behind from the old mining days and the

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<v Speaker 2>AEP cool lands. I refer to them as looking at

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<v Speaker 2>the miniature Grand Canyon. They're between anywhere between forty and

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred feet high, and they are a spectacular site

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<v Speaker 2>when you find them. And the area is very wild.

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<v Speaker 2>If there have been reports of mountain lion, black bear, coyote,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean just about any kind of wild animal that

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<v Speaker 2>you don't think would be in this area has been

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<v Speaker 2>seen in that area.

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<v Speaker 1>And of course just tons and tons of deer. And

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<v Speaker 1>are there any elk in Ohio? I know there's some

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<v Speaker 1>down in Kentucky, which isn't too far, I guess, But

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I've never heard of anything in the Ohio

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<v Speaker 1>or their elk up there.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe, so I'm not that I'm aware of.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Yeah, that's one of the things here i'd like.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, obviously live in Oregon, so a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people come into the shop and stuff. They start asking

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<v Speaker 1>questions about good bigfoot spots, and I try to bring

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<v Speaker 1>up Ohio because Ohio just has a ton of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for the thanks to the diligent researchers who live

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<v Speaker 1>in that state. A lot of stuff is publicly available

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<v Speaker 1>from Ohio. But West Coasters don't really think much about Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>They think it's all like plains or something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like the east or the western part of

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<v Speaker 1>the state rather, But eastern Ohio is extraordinarily wooded and rough,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's huge patches of woods. It's fantastic habitat for

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<v Speaker 1>these sort of things.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's funny you mentioned that about the West

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<v Speaker 2>Coasters not knowing about Ohio. One of the reasons that

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<v Speaker 2>I started inviting people out here to my public meeting

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<v Speaker 2>to speak from the West Coast was specifically not only

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<v Speaker 2>to entertain the audience that showed up at that meeting

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<v Speaker 2>that night, but it was to show the West Coast

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<v Speaker 2>researchers that indeed Ohio had what was available for any

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<v Speaker 2>large wild animal to exist. We weren't Columbus, Cincinnati and

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<v Speaker 2>Cleveland only.

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<v Speaker 3>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't just large cities and flat rolling hills that

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<v Speaker 2>gave way to cornfields. It was you know, we're on

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<v Speaker 2>the foothills of the Allegheny Mountains here, and if you

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<v Speaker 2>fly in a single engine airplane just a thousand feet

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<v Speaker 2>above ground level, it's remarkable how far to the east

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<v Speaker 2>you can see and if you go just a little

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<v Speaker 2>further than that, I mean, you really start getting into

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<v Speaker 2>the rolling mountains in southwestern Pennsylvania. And like I say,

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<v Speaker 2>that's just that's one of the reasons that I started inviting.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the first person that I had out here

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<v Speaker 2>to speak at a regular meeting was Ray Crow, and

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<v Speaker 2>then the first person I had to speak at one

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<v Speaker 2>of the conferences from the West Coast was Jeff Meldrum.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, let's talk about your meetings, because those meetings acted

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<v Speaker 1>as almost like a seed for this for something that

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<v Speaker 1>would grow almost out of control to present day. But

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<v Speaker 1>it really started with these small meetings that she used

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<v Speaker 1>to hold. So tell us about the genesis of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, back in nineteen eighty four, there was a FOLLO

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<v Speaker 2>about the name of Tom Archer, who lived in Rentaldsburg, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was the first person that contacted me. I

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<v Speaker 2>should go back a little bit and say the newspaper

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<v Speaker 2>article that alerted me about the siding of the three

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<v Speaker 2>boys on the south side of town. I sent that

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<v Speaker 2>article to John Green. As a result, John Green sent

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<v Speaker 2>that article to Tom Archer. So would jump ahead regarding

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<v Speaker 2>the meetings. Tom Arsher says to me, He says, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, we could have a meeting here. There's

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<v Speaker 2>a meeting at Alliance, Ohio called the Tri County UFO

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<v Speaker 2>Study Group, and they hold a meeting once every month

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<v Speaker 2>and people that have claimed to have seen UFOs or

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<v Speaker 2>abductions or whatever they go to that meeting. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to, we can go up there and

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<v Speaker 2>see how things go. So in October of eighty four,

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<v Speaker 2>myself and Tom went up to Alliance Ohio. We met

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<v Speaker 2>with the chairman and co chairman Jim rast ed Or

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<v Speaker 2>and Paul Rozick. We were very impressed on how they

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<v Speaker 2>handled their organization, how the meetings went, and we were

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<v Speaker 2>shocked at how many people came forward just at that

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<v Speaker 2>meeting to tell about UFO sidtings. So the seed was planted.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what happened in my mind that I started thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't we do something like that? So in July

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<v Speaker 2>of nineteen eighty five we were to hold just a

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<v Speaker 2>one time event, and it was on July thirteenth of

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<v Speaker 2>eighty five. I held a meeting and I wanted people

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<v Speaker 2>to come forward who might have seen something that resembled

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<v Speaker 2>a sasquatch. And I contacted some people that I knew

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<v Speaker 2>in the media in the newspaper and Tom and I figured, well,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll have five or ten people show up. Nope, we

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<v Speaker 2>had thirty two people show up at that first meeting,

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<v Speaker 2>which was mind blowing to me. And we just we

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<v Speaker 2>got so many reports, We got one or two new reports,

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<v Speaker 2>and we got so many historical reports that after the

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<v Speaker 2>meeting we said, hey, this was very successful, why don't

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<v Speaker 2>we do this again next month? And see if we

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<v Speaker 2>can get more people out of the woodwork, so to speak.

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<v Speaker 2>In August of eighty five we had fifty six people.

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<v Speaker 2>Between August and September we discovered the first possible footprints,

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<v Speaker 2>no more than five miles from my front door, on

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<v Speaker 2>the south side of Newcomers Town and in the same

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<v Speaker 2>area that those three teenage boys had their encounter a

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<v Speaker 2>year and a half prior to that. One thing just

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<v Speaker 2>led to another, and it was amazing on how things

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<v Speaker 2>just jewed together.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like you were like in on the ground

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<v Speaker 1>floor of something that was completely unexplored at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I was, And believe me, I heard my share of

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<v Speaker 2>people driving up and down the road yelling hey bigfoot

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<v Speaker 2>or making grunning noises out their car window as they

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<v Speaker 2>drove past. And amazingly, now thirty years later, those people

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<v Speaker 2>don't do that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Somewhat vindicated, I think. Yeah. Yeah, And so you

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<v Speaker 1>said first, the first person you led out to speak

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<v Speaker 1>was Ray Crow, of course, which is the president of

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<v Speaker 1>the Western Big for Society. He did the track record

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<v Speaker 1>for all those many years. I think Bobo and I

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<v Speaker 1>were both members of that as well. Got the weekly

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<v Speaker 1>newsletter or the monthly newsletter. Rather yeah, good times. What

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<v Speaker 1>are some of the other luminaries that you invited and

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<v Speaker 1>successfully lured out to Ohio?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, Larry Lund.

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<v Speaker 1>Huge here of mine, huge, here of mine?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, very good fella, John Green. And I didn't lure

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<v Speaker 2>him out here. I can't take credit for that, unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 2>but he did speak at the meeting. What happened was

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<v Speaker 2>he was going to be speaking at the IX Outdoor

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<v Speaker 2>Center in Cleveland, Ohio, in January of nineteen eighty nine,

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<v Speaker 2>and he contacted me and said, Hey, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in Ohio. Would you be open to meet face

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<v Speaker 2>to face? And I said absolutely, And I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>be happening to have a meeting that same weekend. You're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be in Ohio. Would you be willing to

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<v Speaker 2>do me the pleasure of speaking at that meeting? And

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<v Speaker 2>he said, well, of course. And that was in January

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<v Speaker 2>of eighty nine. And I still have that recording to

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<v Speaker 2>this day on videotape of him talking at that meeting.

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<v Speaker 2>Folks just loved seeing him. They picked his brain for

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<v Speaker 2>like an hour and a half when he was here.

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<v Speaker 2>John Green, I mean, there's so many of them. Tony

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<v Speaker 2>Healy from Australia was at my conference, and I believe

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<v Speaker 2>it was two thousand and five, two thousand and seven

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<v Speaker 2>to one of the two. There's so many of them.

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<v Speaker 2>I just sometimes the year has just been together.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, how about Renee to Hindon? Did you ever meet him?

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<v Speaker 2>I met Renee, but unfortunately I didn't get him out

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<v Speaker 2>here to speak.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, what was it? What were his thoughts on big

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<v Speaker 1>Foot in Ohio? He's a crotchy old jerk sometimes, but

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<v Speaker 1>I understand a very very sweet man. I never had

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<v Speaker 1>a chance to meet him. But you never met Renee none.

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<v Speaker 1>I never met Renee. I know his son, but I

422
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<v Speaker 1>never met Renee.

423
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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, I got Renee stories like you wouldn't believe.

424
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<v Speaker 2>Well Ley went on, oh wow, Okay. In nineteen ninety seven,

425
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<v Speaker 2>I was invited to speak at the Sasquatched Symposium in Vancouver,

426
00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:06.640
<v Speaker 2>BC by Stephen Harvey. I had known Renee for several

427
00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:11.920
<v Speaker 2>years already, and Renee was going to be at that symposium. Well,

428
00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Renee kind of lashed on us because he wanted to

429
00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:16.799
<v Speaker 2>meet these Midwestern guys, you know that came out here

430
00:23:16.799 --> 00:23:20.240
<v Speaker 2>all the way from Ohio and Indiana and Pennsylvania or wherever.

431
00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:25.319
<v Speaker 2>We were walking around downtown Vancouver and we went to

432
00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:28.119
<v Speaker 2>grab some pizza, which was really great pizza. By the way,

433
00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:29.880
<v Speaker 2>I can't think of what the name of the pizza

434
00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:34.319
<v Speaker 2>shop was. But we're walking down the street and I'm

435
00:23:34.319 --> 00:23:36.799
<v Speaker 2>not even going to try to imitate Rene's voice, because

436
00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:40.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, you had that classic voice. But he says, okay,

437
00:23:40.559 --> 00:23:43.519
<v Speaker 2>he says, so where do you think they go during

438
00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:46.079
<v Speaker 2>the winter. I'm like, if I knew that, I would

439
00:23:46.119 --> 00:23:49.200
<v Speaker 2>have found one by now. Renee. I said, maybe they

440
00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:52.480
<v Speaker 2>hop on an Amtrak and go to Florida. I have

441
00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:55.599
<v Speaker 2>no idea. He said, no, Seriously, where do you think

442
00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:57.960
<v Speaker 2>they go during the winter? I said, well, you know,

443
00:23:58.240 --> 00:24:01.319
<v Speaker 2>I've given that some thought. We don't find hardly any

444
00:24:01.400 --> 00:24:05.640
<v Speaker 2>tracks in the snow. But my opinion is this, if

445
00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:07.759
<v Speaker 2>you go out to the woods and you've got half

446
00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:09.400
<v Speaker 2>a foot or a foot of snow on the ground,

447
00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:11.880
<v Speaker 2>or whatever the case may be, and you find a

448
00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:16.319
<v Speaker 2>large group of pine trees, do yourself a favor. Get

449
00:24:16.359 --> 00:24:19.440
<v Speaker 2>yourself underneath that group of pine trees where there's no

450
00:24:19.559 --> 00:24:22.319
<v Speaker 2>snow on the ground. It's all on the branches on

451
00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:25.720
<v Speaker 2>the outside of the forest. Notice how much the wind

452
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:29.319
<v Speaker 2>is cut off. Notice how much warmer it is under

453
00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:31.720
<v Speaker 2>that group of pine trees as compared to what is

454
00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:36.880
<v Speaker 2>being bore in the elements. That's where I think they

455
00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:40.759
<v Speaker 2>go during the winter. At times, they go down underneath

456
00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:43.880
<v Speaker 2>the pine trees where nobody's going to go, nobody's going

457
00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:47.119
<v Speaker 2>to think of looking, And you know it's much warmer.

458
00:24:47.200 --> 00:24:50.599
<v Speaker 2>It's a natural wind to break. But you know, when

459
00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:53.359
<v Speaker 2>they would call me up and he would say, hey, Keating,

460
00:24:53.839 --> 00:24:57.039
<v Speaker 2>I know you had a conference last weekend, and I

461
00:24:57.079 --> 00:25:02.039
<v Speaker 2>know you had such and such a speaker. Okay, I'd

462
00:25:02.039 --> 00:25:04.240
<v Speaker 2>like to know what that speaker was talking about at

463
00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:07.640
<v Speaker 2>your conference. I said, well, Renee, I can tell you now.

464
00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:11.119
<v Speaker 2>He said, no, no, no, I know your videotaped your conferences too.

465
00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:14.359
<v Speaker 2>He says, what do you want for a copy of

466
00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:18.079
<v Speaker 2>the video? I said, gee, I don't know, Renee. I'll

467
00:25:18.079 --> 00:25:20.200
<v Speaker 2>send you a copy of the video, and then when

468
00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:21.640
<v Speaker 2>you get it, you let me know what you think

469
00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:23.519
<v Speaker 2>it's worth, and you can send me a couple bucks.

470
00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:28.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't care, so I said one in particular. He

471
00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:30.880
<v Speaker 2>was dying to know what this speaker had talked about.

472
00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:34.359
<v Speaker 2>And about two weeks later, I get a package in

473
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:37.039
<v Speaker 2>the mail. I'm like, uh oh, he's probably sent the

474
00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:39.240
<v Speaker 2>video tape back. He's been out of shape, as I'll

475
00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:40.880
<v Speaker 2>get out. I don't know what I did to make

476
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.480
<v Speaker 2>him upset, but let's see what's in the envelope. So

477
00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:48.160
<v Speaker 2>I get the envelope, I open it up and I

478
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:52.200
<v Speaker 2>am shocked. He sent me a book. Not only was

479
00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:55.359
<v Speaker 2>it a book, it was a hardcover book of his

480
00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:59.599
<v Speaker 2>first book that he had written. The hardcover book had

481
00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:03.480
<v Speaker 2>the yellow dusk jacket cover on it. And I have

482
00:26:03.759 --> 00:26:07.559
<v Speaker 2>never seen that book again. I know, I know Lund

483
00:26:07.640 --> 00:26:09.400
<v Speaker 2>has a copy of it. I'm pretty sure he does.

484
00:26:10.359 --> 00:26:12.119
<v Speaker 2>But he inscribed it to me, and I was like,

485
00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:15.799
<v Speaker 2>so I call him up. I said, Renay, okay, I

486
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:17.799
<v Speaker 2>really appreciate the book, but how much to owe you

487
00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:20.160
<v Speaker 2>for it? He said, what do you mean? I said,

488
00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:21.519
<v Speaker 2>you sent me a copy of the book. You know

489
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I've got to pay you for it. I'm sure it

490
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:27.319
<v Speaker 2>wasn't free to publish it. He said, no, you sent

491
00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:31.119
<v Speaker 2>me the videotape. I really enjoyed the video tape. You know,

492
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm sending you a gift as an exchange for the

493
00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:39.160
<v Speaker 2>Is that enough? And I said, are you kidding? That

494
00:26:39.240 --> 00:26:42.359
<v Speaker 2>book still sits on my bookshelf too today, and I

495
00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:44.240
<v Speaker 2>only looked at it a couple of times because I

496
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:46.240
<v Speaker 2>had read the original softcover book.

497
00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:48.400
<v Speaker 1>How can you get rid of something that's priceless?

498
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:51.119
<v Speaker 2>You don't. You don't get rid of something that's priceless.

499
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:54.359
<v Speaker 2>Another priceless item I have on my bookshelf as an

500
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:58.519
<v Speaker 2>original from John Green Apes among Us some way or another.

501
00:26:58.599 --> 00:27:01.000
<v Speaker 2>The first one that I ordered off of it was lost.

502
00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:02.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what happened to it. Maybe it grew

503
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:04.720
<v Speaker 2>two legs and walked away. I don't have any idea.

504
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:07.640
<v Speaker 2>But John, I asked him one day on the phone.

505
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:10.559
<v Speaker 2>I said, John, do you have any more original copies

506
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:14.240
<v Speaker 2>of Apes among his hardcover? He said yeah. I said

507
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:17.319
<v Speaker 2>how much do you want? He said, well, I'll send

508
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:19.039
<v Speaker 2>you a copy and then get back to me and

509
00:27:19.119 --> 00:27:21.200
<v Speaker 2>let let me. You know, I'll tell you how much

510
00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:25.480
<v Speaker 2>I want. So I okay. He sends it to me.

511
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:27.839
<v Speaker 2>There's things in mint condition. It's only been opened a

512
00:27:27.880 --> 00:27:29.880
<v Speaker 2>couple of times. He's inscribed it to me, and so

513
00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:32.279
<v Speaker 2>on and so on. I call him up, John, how

514
00:27:32.359 --> 00:27:33.319
<v Speaker 2>much owe you for the book?

515
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:34.559
<v Speaker 4>All?

516
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Nothing considered a gift? You know? You don't? How can

517
00:27:41.519 --> 00:27:44.480
<v Speaker 2>you like? You said, there's no way of putting a

518
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:49.359
<v Speaker 2>price on stuff like that. That's stuff that will just

519
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:52.440
<v Speaker 2>sit on my bookshelves and be near and dear to

520
00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:57.279
<v Speaker 2>my heart forever because I was I was lucky enough

521
00:27:57.319 --> 00:28:00.960
<v Speaker 2>to know these guys and lucky enough to befriend them.

522
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:04.279
<v Speaker 2>I was at John Green's place for four days and

523
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:07.839
<v Speaker 2>three nights in nineteen ninety seven when we went out

524
00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:10.480
<v Speaker 2>there to go to the ninety seven symposium in Vancouver.

525
00:28:11.359 --> 00:28:16.000
<v Speaker 2>He allowed us myself Dewerth Chuck's story on John Horgan.

526
00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:18.559
<v Speaker 2>Him and his wife allowed us to stay in their

527
00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:21.960
<v Speaker 2>house because they had built this house specifically for when

528
00:28:22.000 --> 00:28:25.200
<v Speaker 2>they had guests in town that were bigfooters, for them

529
00:28:25.240 --> 00:28:27.240
<v Speaker 2>to have a place to stay instead of spending money

530
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.400
<v Speaker 2>on a motel. That's the kind of guy John Green was.

531
00:28:30.960 --> 00:28:32.759
<v Speaker 1>We probably didn't want you guys in the real house,

532
00:28:32.839 --> 00:28:32.960
<v Speaker 1>you know.

533
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:39.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But he looks at he says, okay, and he

534
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:43.319
<v Speaker 2>opens two closet doors and he says, you see those drawers.

535
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:45.680
<v Speaker 2>You can open those drawers and you can look at

536
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:50.240
<v Speaker 2>those plaster casts, but don't you dare break them. And

537
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:52.720
<v Speaker 2>he walks over, walks over to his desk and he

538
00:28:52.759 --> 00:28:56.359
<v Speaker 2>pulls out this filing cabinet and they're his index cards,

539
00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.359
<v Speaker 2>one holder after another after another. And he said, as

540
00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:03.400
<v Speaker 2>you can thumb through all these that you want, take

541
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:05.839
<v Speaker 2>a look at him, make notes, just don't get them

542
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:07.359
<v Speaker 2>out of order, and make sure you put them back

543
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:08.240
<v Speaker 2>when you're done with them.

544
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:11.839
<v Speaker 1>That right, there is a priceless experience that can never

545
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.680
<v Speaker 1>be duplicated. And you know that just to say that

546
00:29:15.799 --> 00:29:18.960
<v Speaker 1>you're the envy of thousands of bigfooters, you know, just

547
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:21.400
<v Speaker 1>unbelievable opportunities that where you were afforded.

548
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:25.119
<v Speaker 2>It was, it was great, It was great. But other

549
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:28.480
<v Speaker 2>people that I've had at the conference, you know, Igor

550
00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:31.839
<v Speaker 2>Birshcheff was there one time and he spoke Crow was

551
00:29:31.880 --> 00:29:35.000
<v Speaker 2>there at the conference and he spoke. Bob Gimlin. How

552
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:38.039
<v Speaker 2>in the world tick forget? Bob Gimlin spoke at my

553
00:29:38.079 --> 00:29:40.440
<v Speaker 2>conference in twenty ten or eleven, I think it was

554
00:29:40.480 --> 00:29:41.319
<v Speaker 2>twenty ten.

555
00:29:41.759 --> 00:29:42.720
<v Speaker 1>You ever meet Krantz?

556
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:43.440
<v Speaker 3>I did.

557
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:47.640
<v Speaker 2>I met him at the Vancouver BC event, And that

558
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:51.400
<v Speaker 2>leads to another story. He's outside smoking a cigarette, typical

559
00:29:51.440 --> 00:29:53.559
<v Speaker 2>grover and I walked up to him and it was

560
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.480
<v Speaker 2>just me because there was somebody else inside speaking, and

561
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:58.519
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I don't you know, I want to

562
00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:02.480
<v Speaker 2>go outside and get some fresh air. So I'm like, Hi, Don, Grover,

563
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:05.480
<v Speaker 2>good Don, how are you fine? So let me ask

564
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:09.599
<v Speaker 2>you a question. What will it honestly take to prove

565
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:13.680
<v Speaker 2>sasquatch exists? Because I'm of the opinion that you don't

566
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:16.519
<v Speaker 2>think videotape will do it. He said, no, I don't

567
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:19.880
<v Speaker 2>think it will. He said, here's what happens if you're

568
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:23.400
<v Speaker 2>lucky enough to run across a dead one in the forest.

569
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:26.359
<v Speaker 2>And this is what he told me. He said, if

570
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.359
<v Speaker 2>you're able to, you take the hands, you take the feet,

571
00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.000
<v Speaker 2>you take the head, and you get the heck out

572
00:30:32.000 --> 00:30:34.240
<v Speaker 2>of there. And he said, because you get the heck

573
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:37.279
<v Speaker 2>out of there, because where there's a dead one, there's

574
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:39.480
<v Speaker 2>probably a pretty good chance there's a live one in

575
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:42.400
<v Speaker 2>close proximity. And it's going to be a little upset

576
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:45.480
<v Speaker 2>saying what you're doing to, you know, the one that's

577
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:49.319
<v Speaker 2>laying on the forest floor. That's what Grover told me,

578
00:30:49.359 --> 00:30:51.640
<v Speaker 2>he said, that's what it will take to prove the

579
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:54.400
<v Speaker 2>existence of sasquatch to the scientific community.

580
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:56.240
<v Speaker 1>Dead one or a big piece of a dead one.

581
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:59.559
<v Speaker 2>Right, yep, I've still got the eight by ten photo

582
00:30:59.599 --> 00:31:03.319
<v Speaker 2>of Groves and I was standing beside the building in Vancouver,

583
00:31:03.400 --> 00:31:06.240
<v Speaker 2>BC in nineteen eighty nineteen ninety seven.

584
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh, man, I need to go to your house. Don

585
00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:10.960
<v Speaker 1>you have treasures I want to put my eyes on.

586
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.119
<v Speaker 2>I've got a lot of stuff stored away in storage boxes.

587
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.240
<v Speaker 2>I've got so much stuff. It's just you know, Robert

588
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:21.799
<v Speaker 2>Michael Pile. Uh, pictures of myself and John Green and

589
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:25.119
<v Speaker 2>John's front yard of a mountain in the background. Uh,

590
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:28.960
<v Speaker 2>myself and Peter Burn. You know. I was lucky enough

591
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>to meet the four original horsemen, so to speak, very fortunate.

592
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:34.799
<v Speaker 3>That, you know.

593
00:31:35.240 --> 00:31:37.200
<v Speaker 2>I could feel as if I could talk to them

594
00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:40.000
<v Speaker 2>about anything that was on my mind. And it was

595
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:41.920
<v Speaker 2>no holds borrowed. I told him, I said, tell me

596
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.359
<v Speaker 2>what you really think. You know. Of course, Rene he

597
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:45.480
<v Speaker 2>had no problem with that.

598
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:47.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he ran in any other gear than

599
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:50.559
<v Speaker 1>that one.

600
00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:50.319
<v Speaker 3>You know.

601
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:52.880
<v Speaker 2>So it was I was very fortunate to have gotten

602
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:55.400
<v Speaker 2>into the game, so to speak, when I did, and

603
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:59.200
<v Speaker 2>to have met these people that I did. Bob Tipmos,

604
00:31:59.559 --> 00:32:01.519
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get a chance to meet him because he

605
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:04.000
<v Speaker 2>was in ill health when we were there in nineteen

606
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:04.680
<v Speaker 2>ninety seven.

607
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think he died that year.

608
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:11.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah he did. Jack Lapseratis met him.

609
00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh he's still around. He's live and kicking somewhere up

610
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:17.039
<v Speaker 1>in Washington. I think I wondered about that the other day.

611
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:18.759
<v Speaker 1>In fact, I wasn't quite sure.

612
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:24.640
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, that's you know, that's a long answer to

613
00:32:24.759 --> 00:32:27.319
<v Speaker 2>your short question. As far as that goes. I don't

614
00:32:27.319 --> 00:32:29.640
<v Speaker 2>want to continue name dropping because I bore people.

615
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:32.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh I love this stuff. I love this stuff because

616
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I haven't met some of those people. And obviously everybody

617
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:37.359
<v Speaker 1>you mentioned has influenced me in some way or another,

618
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.319
<v Speaker 1>even laps Ritis, who I've never met. I'd love to

619
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:41.599
<v Speaker 1>meet that guy, even though I don't necessarily agree with

620
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:44.119
<v Speaker 1>his views on sasquatches. I don't care what people think.

621
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.519
<v Speaker 1>I don't care. I'd love to meet him. So I

622
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:48.960
<v Speaker 1>was kind of hoping to run across him at some point. Yeah,

623
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>big footing is like this this vehicle that brings you

624
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>to treasured memories and gifts that you're going to look

625
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.720
<v Speaker 1>back upon in our old aide and say, well, that

626
00:33:00.759 --> 00:33:03.400
<v Speaker 1>was really cool, and that wouldn't have happened unless I

627
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:05.519
<v Speaker 1>was doing this weird thing that everybody was making fun

628
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:06.359
<v Speaker 1>of me about.

629
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<v Speaker 2>Right exactly, you know, there's some good memories, there are

630
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<v Speaker 2>some not so good memories. I can look back on

631
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:14.680
<v Speaker 2>it now and if somebody asked me, well, what would

632
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:18.240
<v Speaker 2>you do different? This is an honest answer, what would

633
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:22.160
<v Speaker 2>I do different? I wouldn't have done it. I would

634
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:27.319
<v Speaker 2>not have gotten involved, period. I mean, that's easy to say.

635
00:33:27.400 --> 00:33:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Hindsight is twenty twenty. But and people ask me if

636
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:35.079
<v Speaker 2>I give a talk or something like that somewhere, They say, well,

637
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:38.000
<v Speaker 2>if I'm interested in getting involved in the research, what

638
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:39.799
<v Speaker 2>kind of advice do you have for me? And I

639
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:42.039
<v Speaker 2>look at them straight faced because I'm serious, and I

640
00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:44.960
<v Speaker 2>say my advice to you would be don't do it,

641
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:47.359
<v Speaker 2>plain and simple, don't do it because it's going to

642
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:49.039
<v Speaker 2>save you a lot of headache, it's going to save

643
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:50.599
<v Speaker 2>you a lot of money, it's going to save you

644
00:33:50.640 --> 00:33:51.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of ridicule.

645
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:53.920
<v Speaker 1>But in the words of Gibbee from The Butthole Surfers,

646
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:56.599
<v Speaker 1>he said, it's better to regret something you have done

647
00:33:56.680 --> 00:34:00.920
<v Speaker 1>than something you haven't done. So at least you're on

648
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:02.440
<v Speaker 1>the right side of that one, right.

649
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:05.079
<v Speaker 2>And I wouldn't have met people like yourself. You know,

650
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:08.400
<v Speaker 2>there's just so many people that I've met that I

651
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:10.480
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't have met as a result of doing it. So,

652
00:34:10.639 --> 00:34:13.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, I guess it's kind of a two sided

653
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.440
<v Speaker 2>a coin heads and tails. There's some days I regret

654
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:19.639
<v Speaker 2>doing it, and there's other days I say, well, that

655
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:21.199
<v Speaker 2>wasn't such a bad run. You know.

656
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

657
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:35.199
<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back after these messages. Well, let's talk

658
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:37.599
<v Speaker 1>about some of your field work. I mean, I don't

659
00:34:37.599 --> 00:34:39.159
<v Speaker 1>know if a lot of people know this, but you

660
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.599
<v Speaker 1>may have filmed one of these things at one time

661
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:44.760
<v Speaker 1>and you can see that video. If people are interested,

662
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.119
<v Speaker 1>you can just do a Google search don Keating Bigfoot

663
00:34:47.159 --> 00:34:49.239
<v Speaker 1>film or something like that, because it was featured on

664
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:53.800
<v Speaker 1>a Monster Quest episode Doug Hicheck's thing back in the day. Now,

665
00:34:54.280 --> 00:34:56.480
<v Speaker 1>I know there's some we could probably do a three

666
00:34:56.480 --> 00:34:57.920
<v Speaker 1>hour show with you, and we're not going to do that,

667
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.119
<v Speaker 1>but we do need to talk about the film a

668
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:01.840
<v Speaker 1>little bit. Can What can you tell us about that?

669
00:35:02.360 --> 00:35:07.360
<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety three, I did a six or seven

670
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:11.719
<v Speaker 2>minute piece for WUAB Channel forty three news out of Cleveland.

671
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:16.239
<v Speaker 2>They came down, they did a lot of field videography.

672
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Jack Marshall was the reporter, good friend of mine now

673
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:25.519
<v Speaker 2>And as a result of that nineteen ninety three news piece,

674
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:30.000
<v Speaker 2>what happened was in ninety three later in the year,

675
00:35:30.159 --> 00:35:34.199
<v Speaker 2>in December of ninety three, frigid, cool temperatures outside. I'm like,

676
00:35:34.639 --> 00:35:36.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, really cool, and I'm like, I want to

677
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:41.199
<v Speaker 2>watch some video, nothing else to do. So as a result,

678
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:44.079
<v Speaker 2>I pick up a videotape off the shelf that I

679
00:35:44.119 --> 00:35:47.639
<v Speaker 2>had with videotapes on it, obviously, and I start watching

680
00:35:47.639 --> 00:35:51.440
<v Speaker 2>it from August ninety two, and I watched this interview

681
00:35:51.440 --> 00:35:55.400
<v Speaker 2>that I did with this very colorful individual whom was

682
00:35:55.599 --> 00:35:59.599
<v Speaker 2>very adamant that he had seen sasquatch creatures along County

683
00:35:59.639 --> 00:36:05.639
<v Speaker 2>Road in Coshocton County numerous times. Underscore the word numerous.

684
00:36:06.199 --> 00:36:08.199
<v Speaker 2>So I watched this interview with him. And after I

685
00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 2>watched the interview, I thought, well, I just keep the

686
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:13.159
<v Speaker 2>video rolling, not doing anything else.

687
00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:13.519
<v Speaker 1>Why not?

688
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:18.280
<v Speaker 2>So it comes to a video of August second, nineteen

689
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:21.559
<v Speaker 2>ninety two, and what I did was I was shooting

690
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:25.159
<v Speaker 2>footage of what we have nicknamed Sasquash Lake. It's not

691
00:36:25.199 --> 00:36:28.360
<v Speaker 2>officially called that, but we called it Sasquashed Lake. I

692
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.719
<v Speaker 2>was shooting video of that lake. And I didn't like

693
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.920
<v Speaker 2>the position that I was shooting, so I thought, well,

694
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:37.360
<v Speaker 2>reposition myself. I've got a gold Star eight to one

695
00:36:37.440 --> 00:36:42.480
<v Speaker 2>zoom VHS camquorder on my shoulder, my right shoulder, still filming.

696
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:46.000
<v Speaker 2>Didn't pause it. I'm still filming. I walk away from

697
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:49.920
<v Speaker 2>the lake, take several steps, stop for a second or two,

698
00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:52.719
<v Speaker 2>and then I swing back around and shoot some more footage.

699
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:56.480
<v Speaker 2>That leads us up to December of ninety three, because

700
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:59.440
<v Speaker 2>I didn't watch that film footage the day that I

701
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.800
<v Speaker 2>shot it. In fact, I don't watch that film footage

702
00:37:02.800 --> 00:37:06.480
<v Speaker 2>for seventeen and a half months, and so I'm watching

703
00:37:06.519 --> 00:37:10.079
<v Speaker 2>this video and I'm still to today. You watched a

704
00:37:10.199 --> 00:37:13.199
<v Speaker 2>video and you see this thing walking down the road,

705
00:37:14.000 --> 00:37:18.079
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, who was that? So I watch it

706
00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:23.360
<v Speaker 2>again and again and again, and one thing led to another.

707
00:37:25.159 --> 00:37:29.840
<v Speaker 2>We went out there numerous times, countless times. Daniel Perez

708
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:33.000
<v Speaker 2>went out there with me, and I believe it was

709
00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:36.639
<v Speaker 2>August or September of nineteen ninety five. We did some

710
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:42.480
<v Speaker 2>very in depth investigations as far as the height of

711
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:45.679
<v Speaker 2>the bushes in the background, how far away I was

712
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:49.840
<v Speaker 2>from the road, how wide the road was approximately, how

713
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:53.039
<v Speaker 2>much ground this thing covered walking down this gravel road

714
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:55.800
<v Speaker 2>in the very brief time that you see it on video,

715
00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:59.039
<v Speaker 2>as near as we could tell. Here are some statistics.

716
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:02.000
<v Speaker 2>It's on video tape for one point five seconds, one

717
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:04.920
<v Speaker 2>point five to five seconds. It's between two hundred and

718
00:38:04.920 --> 00:38:07.079
<v Speaker 2>sixty two and two hundred and ninety two feet away

719
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.119
<v Speaker 2>from me. Where I'm standing as compared to where it

720
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:12.719
<v Speaker 2>was at is up a bit of an incline to

721
00:38:12.760 --> 00:38:15.360
<v Speaker 2>where the road is. It levels off and then the

722
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.400
<v Speaker 2>road drops off just a hair behind where the peak

723
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:21.239
<v Speaker 2>of the hill is the little hill that I'm standing

724
00:38:21.280 --> 00:38:23.400
<v Speaker 2>near the bottom of, and it's not really a hill,

725
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:26.280
<v Speaker 2>which is flat land that tapers off down toward the lake.

726
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:31.199
<v Speaker 2>It covered twenty eight feet give or tape, twenty eight

727
00:38:31.400 --> 00:38:36.039
<v Speaker 2>feet and four steps in two seconds.

728
00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:37.519
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

729
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:43.320
<v Speaker 2>That is mind boggling in and of itself. And there

730
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:48.320
<v Speaker 2>are four fence posts between me and it, whatever it is.

731
00:38:49.159 --> 00:38:52.440
<v Speaker 2>So we measured the fence post and from the ground up,

732
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.840
<v Speaker 2>these fence posts are forty eight and forty nine inches high.

733
00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:59.519
<v Speaker 2>This thing as it walks down the road, and we

734
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:01.920
<v Speaker 2>think it's on the far side of the road, and

735
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:04.320
<v Speaker 2>now I'll tell you why in a minute. As it

736
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:10.280
<v Speaker 2>walks down. It's waste. It's waste. What appears to be

737
00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:13.559
<v Speaker 2>the waste of this thing is higher than what the

738
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:16.880
<v Speaker 2>top of the fence post are now at four feet.

739
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:20.880
<v Speaker 2>That would be impressive enough, but considering the fact that

740
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:25.760
<v Speaker 2>the road tapers off downhill and then drops off significantly

741
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:28.599
<v Speaker 2>to a creek down at the bottom of the hill

742
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:32.000
<v Speaker 2>on the opposite side of the road makes it even

743
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:35.320
<v Speaker 2>more impressive. It walked past what we called a two

744
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:40.519
<v Speaker 2>tier bush Daniel present. I measured this out. The shorter

745
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:44.800
<v Speaker 2>of the two tier bushes bush was just over nine

746
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:48.559
<v Speaker 2>feet tall. The taller one was around twelve feet tall.

747
00:39:49.239 --> 00:39:53.920
<v Speaker 2>This thing appears to be as tall, if not taller,

748
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:57.599
<v Speaker 2>than what the shorter of these two tiered bush was.

749
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:05.920
<v Speaker 2>This two tiered bush. I honestly have officially no logical

750
00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:10.320
<v Speaker 2>explanation as to what Sam Hill was contained on the videotape.

751
00:40:11.360 --> 00:40:13.559
<v Speaker 2>I've had a lot of people tell me, not a

752
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:15.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of people. I've had one for a couple of

753
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:19.519
<v Speaker 2>guys tell me, well, it's a jogger in a suit. Okay,

754
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:22.199
<v Speaker 2>Well do me a favor. Let's go out there on

755
00:40:22.239 --> 00:40:25.760
<v Speaker 2>August second of whatever year at six twenty eight pm.

756
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:28.559
<v Speaker 2>I'll stand where I was standing. Then I'll take a

757
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:31.159
<v Speaker 2>video camera and you take a jogger in a suit

758
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:32.920
<v Speaker 2>and walk him down to the opposite side of the

759
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:35.719
<v Speaker 2>road and let me film him. And let's see how

760
00:40:35.760 --> 00:40:38.239
<v Speaker 2>similar it is to this film of August of ninety two.

761
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:41.079
<v Speaker 2>I had another person tell me it was a guy

762
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:45.280
<v Speaker 2>on horseback riding down the road. Really, why did it

763
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:48.800
<v Speaker 2>look like a bipedal individual is compared to a quadruped horse?

764
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, you said twenty eight feet in two seconds.

765
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:55.400
<v Speaker 1>By the way, did a little type in here in

766
00:40:55.440 --> 00:40:57.840
<v Speaker 1>the computer here that turns out to be about nine

767
00:40:57.840 --> 00:41:01.679
<v Speaker 1>and a half miles an hour. Pretty good, pretty good jaunt, I'd.

768
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:08.480
<v Speaker 2>Say, Yeah. I mean, you know, I might have lost

769
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:10.719
<v Speaker 2>for words because I have no way to explain it.

770
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:13.639
<v Speaker 2>I can't. I can't sit here and say, whoa it

771
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:17.800
<v Speaker 2>was a light colored bigfoot because number one, I didn't

772
00:41:17.880 --> 00:41:20.880
<v Speaker 2>see it when I filmed it. And number two, do

773
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:23.000
<v Speaker 2>I really know what a big foot is supposed to

774
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:26.800
<v Speaker 2>look like? No, I mean I know what eye witnesses

775
00:41:26.880 --> 00:41:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Teff told us. But you know, so it's twenty eight

776
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:35.559
<v Speaker 2>it covers twenty eight feet. I hadn't a person tell

777
00:41:35.639 --> 00:41:38.679
<v Speaker 2>me believe it or not that it was a guy

778
00:41:38.679 --> 00:41:41.679
<v Speaker 2>in a costume. I no, sorry, I can't buy that one.

779
00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Let me give you another example on what we did

780
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:47.519
<v Speaker 2>to try and prove what it was or was not.

781
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:51.880
<v Speaker 2>I know a guy who is six foot nine. I

782
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:57.679
<v Speaker 2>had him take a very light blue colored bedsheet, wrap

783
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:01.400
<v Speaker 2>it around him, cut out two ihole was in this bedsheet,

784
00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:05.960
<v Speaker 2>and walk down that road. Okay, to see how close

785
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.000
<v Speaker 2>he was in height as compared to what this thing

786
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:11.920
<v Speaker 2>was that walked down the road. And I can sit

787
00:42:11.960 --> 00:42:14.440
<v Speaker 2>here and swear on a stack of bibles today he

788
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:17.599
<v Speaker 2>came nowhere near close as tall as that thing was,

789
00:42:18.159 --> 00:42:19.880
<v Speaker 2>and he was six foot nine.

790
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.519
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and you know, somebody's got a lot of

791
00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:25.960
<v Speaker 1>explaining to do, and that I don't think. I mean,

792
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:27.639
<v Speaker 1>you certainly have a little bit of explaining to do

793
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:30.320
<v Speaker 1>because you're telling us all these numbers and you were

794
00:42:30.400 --> 00:42:33.320
<v Speaker 1>unfortunate enough not to notice it at the time. But

795
00:42:33.360 --> 00:42:37.840
<v Speaker 1>for somebody who says that looking for another explanation, well,

796
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.280
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I mean, nothing really fits the bill, right,

797
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>Well you could say that, yeah, yeah, nothing really fits

798
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:44.880
<v Speaker 1>the bill.

799
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:46.559
<v Speaker 6>You can't nothing you can take to the bank. But

800
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:49.199
<v Speaker 6>that's how bigfoots roll. I mean you've seen you've seen

801
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.400
<v Speaker 6>the film. Anybody that watched the Monster Request episode saw

802
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:55.159
<v Speaker 6>the film. The Gentleman in Minnesota, I believe he's from

803
00:42:55.159 --> 00:43:00.280
<v Speaker 6>the Twin Cities area that did the video work on it.

804
00:43:00.639 --> 00:43:04.360
<v Speaker 6>Just pull up the Ohio Grassman Monster Quest episode if

805
00:43:04.360 --> 00:43:07.719
<v Speaker 6>you haven't seen it, and watch it and come to

806
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:09.960
<v Speaker 6>your own conclusion as to what it was. But I

807
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:11.639
<v Speaker 6>can tell you I can assure you of one thing.

808
00:43:12.559 --> 00:43:15.440
<v Speaker 2>You may think pro or con of me, and that's

809
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:18.480
<v Speaker 2>fine whoever listens to this. But I can assure you

810
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:21.400
<v Speaker 2>of one thing. There is absolutely no need in the

811
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:27.679
<v Speaker 2>world whatsoever for me to have faked that video, because

812
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:30.880
<v Speaker 2>it would have made my life that much more difficult.

813
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:34.880
<v Speaker 2>It's a lot more difficult to live up to a

814
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.480
<v Speaker 2>lie than what it is to live up to the truth.

815
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:41.719
<v Speaker 2>And we've never been able to determine what's on the video.

816
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:44.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you know who the fellows are

817
00:43:44.519 --> 00:43:49.639
<v Speaker 2>that belonged to a group called the Enigma Project located

818
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:52.639
<v Speaker 2>in Maryland. One of the guys is a fellow by

819
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.639
<v Speaker 2>the name of Mike Frizell. Another one is a fellow

820
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:58.960
<v Speaker 2>by the name of Marcus Adams. They seen the video,

821
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:01.760
<v Speaker 2>they took a copy of the video back with them.

822
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:04.159
<v Speaker 2>Marcus Adams did a lot of video work on it

823
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.079
<v Speaker 2>as well, frame by frame. I've got a disc here

824
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:11.679
<v Speaker 2>that has each individual frame on that disc. There's forty

825
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:15.639
<v Speaker 2>frames in that one point five seconds that were videotaped.

826
00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:19.599
<v Speaker 2>They went out there one day with me. When they

827
00:44:19.639 --> 00:44:23.320
<v Speaker 2>came over here, we got two by fours. They had

828
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:27.199
<v Speaker 2>a laser beam with them, a machine that emits a laser.

829
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:31.239
<v Speaker 2>Did a lot of work. I've still got the video somewhere.

830
00:44:31.239 --> 00:44:32.800
<v Speaker 2>I believe it was in the mid nineties when it

831
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:35.440
<v Speaker 2>took place. When we did it, they tried to find

832
00:44:35.480 --> 00:44:38.719
<v Speaker 2>out how tall this thing was. Everybody that's tried to

833
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:43.360
<v Speaker 2>do a really good analytical work on the video and

834
00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:46.519
<v Speaker 2>try and find out how tall it was. As far

835
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:48.719
<v Speaker 2>as I can remember, no one has come up with

836
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:52.760
<v Speaker 2>anything under eight and a half feet tall.

837
00:44:52.960 --> 00:44:56.360
<v Speaker 1>Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.

838
00:44:56.559 --> 00:44:58.320
<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back after these messages.

839
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:09.079
<v Speaker 2>It's just another piece of videotape that hasn't been explained

840
00:45:09.239 --> 00:45:16.159
<v Speaker 2>away yet satisfactory in my mind, and I honestly welcome

841
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:20.519
<v Speaker 2>anyone who hasn't what they think is the explanation as

842
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:22.360
<v Speaker 2>to what it is. All I want to do is

843
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:25.039
<v Speaker 2>go out there with them and let them show me

844
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:27.719
<v Speaker 2>how they came to the conclusion. And if they're able

845
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:32.679
<v Speaker 2>to duplicate what's on the film, then all right, great,

846
00:45:33.159 --> 00:45:35.639
<v Speaker 2>we know what it was. But so far, no one's

847
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:38.559
<v Speaker 2>invited me out to the film site with them to

848
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:41.000
<v Speaker 2>see what they were able to duplicate to prove that

849
00:45:41.039 --> 00:45:43.159
<v Speaker 2>it's one thing or the other. So as far as

850
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:47.920
<v Speaker 2>that goes, as far as I'm concerned, it's still an unknown.

851
00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:52.000
<v Speaker 1>Wow. And again this is just a tip of the iceberg.

852
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking at our time thinking, man, we do need

853
00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:56.639
<v Speaker 1>another two hours on this one. But you know, you

854
00:45:56.679 --> 00:46:00.000
<v Speaker 1>were just such a wealth of knowledge and memories, far

855
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:03.360
<v Speaker 1>better than mine apparently, but because you remember these names

856
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:06.239
<v Speaker 1>and dates, just rattle them off. And as an example

857
00:46:06.280 --> 00:46:08.679
<v Speaker 1>of that, when I was out in Ohio in May,

858
00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:11.599
<v Speaker 1>I called you from the field. I called, hey, do

859
00:46:11.599 --> 00:46:14.400
<v Speaker 1>you have anything from this area? And you said, well,

860
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:16.039
<v Speaker 1>that a lot happens there. And then then you said

861
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:18.039
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, and then you came back. Was it

862
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Carroll County or Carrollton? You said, oh, you know. One

863
00:46:20.960 --> 00:46:22.599
<v Speaker 1>time I was called out there by the cops and

864
00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:25.960
<v Speaker 1>there's fingerprints and smudges and things, and they say, man,

865
00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:31.480
<v Speaker 1>you you there's police reports and your experience, your field

866
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:36.480
<v Speaker 1>work and experience is just it's mind boggling, frankly. So

867
00:46:37.760 --> 00:46:41.599
<v Speaker 1>let's talk about other physical traces, because that that the

868
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.000
<v Speaker 1>fingerprints and all that sort of stuff reminded me that

869
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:48.400
<v Speaker 1>what other physical traces of sasquatches have you run across

870
00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:52.599
<v Speaker 1>in your in your history of bigfoot field investigation.

871
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:55.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, we've seen a number of footprints in the ground

872
00:46:55.960 --> 00:46:58.320
<v Speaker 2>that may or may not have been you know, the

873
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:01.239
<v Speaker 2>real thing I've I've seen footprints in the ground that

874
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:04.440
<v Speaker 2>turn out to be fake. We know that ninety nine

875
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:06.360
<v Speaker 2>point nine percent sure that they were faked. They were

876
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:09.599
<v Speaker 2>hoaxed for whatever reason. But we're also we've also seen

877
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:12.760
<v Speaker 2>footprints on the ground that we don't have any explanation for.

878
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:20.119
<v Speaker 2>There have been individuals to discover some hairs that I

879
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:25.599
<v Speaker 2>sent to doctor Henry Fahrenbeck as well as as there

880
00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:27.679
<v Speaker 2>was another one and I can't for some reason the

881
00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:32.760
<v Speaker 2>name escapes me, but the hairs were checked at that

882
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:38.480
<v Speaker 2>point in time amongst other known primate hairs, and if

883
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:42.199
<v Speaker 2>I remember correctly, this particular example, this sample of hairs

884
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:46.360
<v Speaker 2>came back that he couldn't identify it specifically. It might

885
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:49.159
<v Speaker 2>have been in the primate range of things, but it

886
00:47:49.320 --> 00:47:52.880
<v Speaker 2>wasn't anything that he had a sample for on file.

887
00:47:54.599 --> 00:47:59.079
<v Speaker 2>That set of hairs actually came from Columbiana County, and

888
00:47:59.119 --> 00:48:01.960
<v Speaker 2>I believe that was in naeen ninety five. I was

889
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:06.679
<v Speaker 2>contacted about a very large what the witness called he

890
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:09.639
<v Speaker 2>had an encounter. He had a siding when he was

891
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:14.360
<v Speaker 2>deer hunting, and he came upon a tree as he

892
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:18.760
<v Speaker 2>was walking back to his mother's property, and on the

893
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:22.800
<v Speaker 2>tree he discovered what he could only describe as four

894
00:48:23.920 --> 00:48:29.079
<v Speaker 2>very large, very wide finger smudges on the side of

895
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:33.400
<v Speaker 2>a tree, apparently from someone or something that had a

896
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:38.559
<v Speaker 2>hand in the mud or something to that effect, and

897
00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:42.519
<v Speaker 2>for whatever reason, it had placed its hand on this tree.

898
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:45.320
<v Speaker 2>And I didn't see the finger smudges myself, but I've

899
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.639
<v Speaker 2>seen a photograph of him. These things were seven feet

900
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:53.400
<v Speaker 2>off the ground. And this is also the same tree

901
00:48:53.440 --> 00:48:57.920
<v Speaker 2>that this gentleman pulled these reddish colored hairs off of

902
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:01.559
<v Speaker 2>that he gave me a sample of that. I sent

903
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:05.480
<v Speaker 2>a sample to doctor Fahrenbach. That is the kind of

904
00:49:05.519 --> 00:49:09.039
<v Speaker 2>thing that you look at and say, what does this

905
00:49:09.119 --> 00:49:14.480
<v Speaker 2>guy have to gain by faking something like this, by

906
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:18.440
<v Speaker 2>you know, cutting the hair off of a Barbie doll

907
00:49:18.519 --> 00:49:20.719
<v Speaker 2>and trying to pass it off a sasquatch. I don't

908
00:49:20.760 --> 00:49:25.199
<v Speaker 2>know you talked about the Carroll County incident that was

909
00:49:25.280 --> 00:49:29.159
<v Speaker 2>in I believe April nineteen ninety five. I had a

910
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:34.360
<v Speaker 2>gentleman tell me about a very brief mention in the

911
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:37.800
<v Speaker 2>police report. The Times Reporter out of New Philadelphia used

912
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:41.239
<v Speaker 2>to publish the police log on a daily basis, and

913
00:49:41.679 --> 00:49:44.639
<v Speaker 2>this particular entry in the police log there was a

914
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:49.519
<v Speaker 2>report of regularing eyes being seen at the woodline of

915
00:49:49.559 --> 00:49:52.760
<v Speaker 2>a property in Carroll County that the Carroll County Sheriff's

916
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:57.760
<v Speaker 2>Department had investigated. Okay, great, I call Matt Hesson up.

917
00:49:57.800 --> 00:49:59.480
<v Speaker 2>I say, hey, you want to take a ride, Let's

918
00:49:59.480 --> 00:50:02.480
<v Speaker 2>go to Carroll. Oh okay, let's do that. So we

919
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:05.599
<v Speaker 2>get up there. I'm like really reluctant to go to

920
00:50:05.639 --> 00:50:07.679
<v Speaker 2>the Sheriff's department and say, hey, I'm a big footer.

921
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Can you tell me? You know, you tell me what happened?

922
00:50:11.480 --> 00:50:13.199
<v Speaker 2>But I got up there. I talked to the gentleman.

923
00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:15.639
<v Speaker 2>He said, you're don keating, And I said, yeah, he said,

924
00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:17.320
<v Speaker 2>we were just trying to figure out how to get

925
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:19.800
<v Speaker 2>a hold of you. I said, well, here I am.

926
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.320
<v Speaker 2>They went out there and they checked this out. The

927
00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:31.280
<v Speaker 2>Carroll County Sheriff's Department did They lifted a fingerprint off

928
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:35.199
<v Speaker 2>of the front window of a storm door of a

929
00:50:35.239 --> 00:50:39.079
<v Speaker 2>mobile home. They give me a xerox copy of that

930
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:42.400
<v Speaker 2>report and of that fingerprint smudge. They still have it

931
00:50:42.440 --> 00:50:49.840
<v Speaker 2>in their files. This thing was huge. They couldn't describe

932
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:55.719
<v Speaker 2>or explain what made this handprint on this window. It

933
00:50:55.760 --> 00:51:00.199
<v Speaker 2>wasn't just one fingerprint, it was an entire palm print,

934
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:05.400
<v Speaker 2>and the four fingers and the thumb left a smudge

935
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:09.920
<v Speaker 2>on this window. These are sheriff guys. They're telling me

936
00:51:10.119 --> 00:51:15.280
<v Speaker 2>they have no idea what this was. And I went

937
00:51:15.320 --> 00:51:18.039
<v Speaker 2>out and talked to the residents. They were very open

938
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:23.280
<v Speaker 2>with me, very welcoming to my knowledge, held nothing back.

939
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:25.559
<v Speaker 2>They said, you know, we can go look for some

940
00:51:25.639 --> 00:51:29.559
<v Speaker 2>tracks if you're interested. Okay, so we start walking up

941
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:34.360
<v Speaker 2>this road. Guess what. There is a very long series

942
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:38.320
<v Speaker 2>of barefooted tracks that went up the side of this

943
00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:43.119
<v Speaker 2>road that were four five feet apart from each other,

944
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:47.760
<v Speaker 2>going uphill, that measured approximately I don't remember exactly what

945
00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:49.800
<v Speaker 2>the measurements were, but I know they were fourteen or

946
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:55.360
<v Speaker 2>fifteen inches in length. All five digits showed up very clearly.

947
00:51:56.039 --> 00:52:00.239
<v Speaker 2>It's this kind of stuff that you have to sit back,

948
00:52:01.000 --> 00:52:04.480
<v Speaker 2>scratch your head and say, now, let's examine this and

949
00:52:04.519 --> 00:52:07.880
<v Speaker 2>wonder why these guys would fake this stuff. They're not

950
00:52:07.960 --> 00:52:12.000
<v Speaker 2>looking for publicity. They called the Sheriff's department. Sheriff's department

951
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:14.840
<v Speaker 2>was very open with me. They gave me the name, address,

952
00:52:14.840 --> 00:52:17.800
<v Speaker 2>and phone number of the people. They were very welcoming

953
00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:19.960
<v Speaker 2>because they wanted to talk to someone who had done

954
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:23.199
<v Speaker 2>investigations into this kind of thing to tell us about it.

955
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:26.559
<v Speaker 2>They wanted to talk to us. That's why I started

956
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:29.639
<v Speaker 2>the meetings back in nineteen eighty five. You know you

957
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:33.000
<v Speaker 2>hear of support groups. I wanted to start the meetings

958
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:34.440
<v Speaker 2>not only to get people to come out of the

959
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:37.000
<v Speaker 2>wood work to tell about their encounters. I wanted to

960
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:40.440
<v Speaker 2>start the meetings as a support group that if someone

961
00:52:40.519 --> 00:52:44.280
<v Speaker 2>had actually encountered this thing, or discovered footprints, or heard

962
00:52:44.320 --> 00:52:46.880
<v Speaker 2>something yell, or whatever the case may be, they would

963
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:51.440
<v Speaker 2>have a venue they could go to without fear of ridicule.

964
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:56.159
<v Speaker 2>That's how you get your reports. You don't broadcast or

965
00:52:56.239 --> 00:52:59.400
<v Speaker 2>name over the airways. You don't give their address out

966
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.000
<v Speaker 2>an anonymity. If they ask for it, you give it

967
00:53:04.400 --> 00:53:06.800
<v Speaker 2>and you talk to these people. And that's how you

968
00:53:06.800 --> 00:53:10.480
<v Speaker 2>gain the trust of the general public. And I've published

969
00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:13.159
<v Speaker 2>next to nothing in the way of names ever. But

970
00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:16.199
<v Speaker 2>going back to the physical evidence, like the hand prints,

971
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:19.559
<v Speaker 2>not only one, but two handprints that I've been fortunate

972
00:53:19.679 --> 00:53:23.079
<v Speaker 2>enough to hear about and talk to the people about.

973
00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:30.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the question is what did and the answer is,

974
00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:32.320
<v Speaker 2>I have no idea. I mean, I have an idea,

975
00:53:32.880 --> 00:53:35.639
<v Speaker 2>but I didn't see it happen when it happened. So

976
00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:37.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, there you have it.

977
00:53:38.119 --> 00:53:40.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, have you heard them vocalized before?

978
00:53:40.599 --> 00:53:42.800
<v Speaker 2>I've heard vocals in the woods numerous times.

979
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:43.079
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

980
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:47.199
<v Speaker 2>The one time that I heard it was on September

981
00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:50.679
<v Speaker 2>fifteenth of nineteen ninety one, middle of the afternoon. It

982
00:53:50.719 --> 00:53:53.920
<v Speaker 2>was like ninety degrees outside. Myself and another fellow by

983
00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Themaric Rick Morris, were during research again in kush Auckton County.

984
00:53:59.199 --> 00:54:03.360
<v Speaker 2>The only thing that I can describe it like it

985
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:08.000
<v Speaker 2>would be a mournful cry. And that's that's That's the

986
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:10.320
<v Speaker 2>one noise that I've heard of all the times being

987
00:54:10.360 --> 00:54:12.880
<v Speaker 2>in the woods that I think could have been the

988
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:17.559
<v Speaker 2>legitimate thing. Just once, uh, just just the one time. Yeah,

989
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:20.199
<v Speaker 2>I've heard a lot of noises in the past that

990
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:23.119
<v Speaker 2>could be something else, because you know, the forest distorts

991
00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:25.440
<v Speaker 2>the sound. If you're in a patch of woods and

992
00:54:25.480 --> 00:54:28.039
<v Speaker 2>you hear the noise, is it in the same patch

993
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.199
<v Speaker 2>of woods that you are, or is it outside of

994
00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:32.519
<v Speaker 2>that patch of woods and you're catching it through the trees.

995
00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:38.360
<v Speaker 2>So I'm not really I've heard other noises that could

996
00:54:38.360 --> 00:54:42.039
<v Speaker 2>be but that one time, I'm really really high up

997
00:54:42.039 --> 00:54:44.559
<v Speaker 2>on my list that you know, could have been the

998
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:45.039
<v Speaker 2>real thing.

999
00:54:45.480 --> 00:54:46.679
<v Speaker 3>I haven't heard Ohio.

1000
00:54:47.800 --> 00:54:50.239
<v Speaker 2>I've heard it from what Matt recorded, but I've never

1001
00:54:50.280 --> 00:54:51.519
<v Speaker 2>heard heard it in the field.

1002
00:54:52.360 --> 00:54:54.320
<v Speaker 1>So what are you doing nowadays with bigfoot on? I

1003
00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:56.880
<v Speaker 1>mean you just kind of hang up the syrups a

1004
00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:59.519
<v Speaker 1>little bit, or you're dipping your feet back in the pool.

1005
00:54:59.519 --> 00:54:59.960
<v Speaker 1>What are you doing?

1006
00:55:00.360 --> 00:55:03.480
<v Speaker 2>I had gotten out of it since about twenty twelve,

1007
00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:09.320
<v Speaker 2>and then last year year before last fell by the

1008
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:13.199
<v Speaker 2>name of David Wickham from Kushocton, Ohio, fifteen miles down

1009
00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:15.280
<v Speaker 2>the road for me. He contacted me and wanted to

1010
00:55:15.320 --> 00:55:17.760
<v Speaker 2>meet up talk about some of the stuff that I've

1011
00:55:17.760 --> 00:55:21.199
<v Speaker 2>investigated and things like that. One thing led to another

1012
00:55:21.280 --> 00:55:24.559
<v Speaker 2>and he said, hey, listen, I'm seriously considering about getting

1013
00:55:24.559 --> 00:55:28.360
<v Speaker 2>a conference together. Would you be interested in speaking? And

1014
00:55:28.400 --> 00:55:33.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I had split decision on that. I was like, dude,

1015
00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:37.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing anything with Bigfoot. I don't want to

1016
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:39.840
<v Speaker 2>get back into it. And at the same time, I'm

1017
00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:42.719
<v Speaker 2>thinking this would be a great avenue for me to

1018
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:46.199
<v Speaker 2>go talk talk about some of the more interesting stuff

1019
00:55:46.199 --> 00:55:49.599
<v Speaker 2>that's happened in my past and to set the record

1020
00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:53.920
<v Speaker 2>street on a couple of things. So I'm not into it.

1021
00:55:54.320 --> 00:55:57.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm not back into it full time, not even really

1022
00:55:57.440 --> 00:56:01.679
<v Speaker 2>part time. Just from time to time I'll cruise the backroads,

1023
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:04.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, and try to do some wildlife photography, and

1024
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.000
<v Speaker 2>if something out of the ordinary happens, well, so be it.

1025
00:56:07.679 --> 00:56:14.239
<v Speaker 2>But I recently wrote a small booklet titled Big Dreams

1026
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:18.559
<v Speaker 2>and Bigfoot, and I quoted a memoir because it's how

1027
00:56:18.639 --> 00:56:21.840
<v Speaker 2>I when I started out as a kid, like I

1028
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:24.920
<v Speaker 2>told you earlier, wanted to be a TV meteorologist, And

1029
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:27.440
<v Speaker 2>instead of being a TV meteorologist, I ended up being

1030
00:56:27.480 --> 00:56:34.000
<v Speaker 2>a paranormal researcher cryptozoologist as they say, And you know,

1031
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:37.199
<v Speaker 2>I talked about some of the most interesting stuff that

1032
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:44.800
<v Speaker 2>has happened in my lifetime doing the investigations, and so

1033
00:56:45.639 --> 00:56:49.480
<v Speaker 2>that's kind of like where I'm at today. Every now

1034
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:51.559
<v Speaker 2>and then I'll get somebody ask me, Hey, anything new

1035
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:54.159
<v Speaker 2>going on. I look at him like, do I have

1036
00:56:54.199 --> 00:56:57.559
<v Speaker 2>a third eyeball growing on my forehead? I'm not doing

1037
00:56:57.719 --> 00:57:01.840
<v Speaker 2>active investigations, and so no, I don't know of anything new.

1038
00:57:01.920 --> 00:57:05.679
<v Speaker 2>I tried to distance myself away from it as much

1039
00:57:05.679 --> 00:57:09.960
<v Speaker 2>as I possibly can because I've found a certain amount

1040
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:13.719
<v Speaker 2>of peace from getting out of it, and it's kind

1041
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:15.559
<v Speaker 2>of like the way I would like to keep it.

1042
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:19.760
<v Speaker 2>Although I've showed up at the Ohio conference at Salt

1043
00:57:19.760 --> 00:57:22.199
<v Speaker 2>Fork the last couple of years just to visit with people,

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<v Speaker 2>and then I've shown up at the Sasquatch Triangle conference

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<v Speaker 2>that David started in Cushocton, so I've got a little

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00:57:30.960 --> 00:57:35.519
<v Speaker 2>bit of input on that. But that's where I'm at today.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, if anybody wants tell me about their story,

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00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:40.400
<v Speaker 2>I'll be happy to listen to them and even go

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<v Speaker 2>out to the spot and see what it looked like

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<v Speaker 2>where they had the encounter. But I don't go out

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00:57:45.480 --> 00:57:47.480
<v Speaker 2>of my way like I used to. I used to

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<v Speaker 2>go out into the woods every weekend from nineteen eighty

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00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:55.039
<v Speaker 2>five all the way through two thousand and ten, twenty eleven,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve. You know, if I could have the money

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<v Speaker 2>back just from gasoline, i'd be a rich person.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it sounds like you're you're bowing out of

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00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:07.760
<v Speaker 1>the field. Kind of coincided with the start of finding

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<v Speaker 1>Bigfoot and the huge influx of newbies and everybody else

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00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.239
<v Speaker 1>coming on board. So good timing on your part, I think, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with you. Well, all right, don thank you

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00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:22.760
<v Speaker 1>so much for coming on Bigfoot and beyond. I know

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00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:25.960
<v Speaker 1>you don't grant a lot of interviews, and I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>so very thankful that you grace us with your presence

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00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:31.599
<v Speaker 1>and because you're you're for me a glimpse into the

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00:58:31.639 --> 00:58:33.239
<v Speaker 1>history of the subject. And that's not because you're old

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00:58:33.280 --> 00:58:34.800
<v Speaker 1>and stuff. Don't take don't take that. Don't take it

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00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:36.719
<v Speaker 1>like that. You're not that much older than me. But

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<v Speaker 1>I see this thing as I see the Bigfoot history

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00:58:40.519 --> 00:58:43.000
<v Speaker 1>as a generational thing. You know, there's like the pre

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00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:47.639
<v Speaker 1>history and whatnot, and then there's the four Horsemen, which

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00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:50.280
<v Speaker 1>are kind of the first generation. But then there's you,

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00:58:50.880 --> 00:58:53.519
<v Speaker 1>there's you and literary lund and people like that, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you go to the next generation, and I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of see myself as part of the third or even

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00:58:56.880 --> 00:59:00.000
<v Speaker 1>fourth generation of Bigfooters coming up. So when I get

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<v Speaker 1>to speak to an elder statesman like yourself, someone who

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<v Speaker 1>was there, who had boots on the ground, who was

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<v Speaker 1>pioneering in a state that no one had touched and

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00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:11.559
<v Speaker 1>no one really took seriously beyond perhaps John Green and

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00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:14.639
<v Speaker 1>a small handful of other people's, it's just a great

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00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:17.840
<v Speaker 1>pleasure for me personally to get a glimpse into that

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00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:21.320
<v Speaker 1>history from a witness of that history, and the fact

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00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:23.239
<v Speaker 1>that I can call you a friend and call you

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00:59:23.280 --> 00:59:25.440
<v Speaker 1>at any time, it just means the world to me.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you so much, Don for everything, and probably

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<v Speaker 1>not the least of which coming on the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you very much, Cliff for the kind words.

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00:59:33.719 --> 00:59:38.000
<v Speaker 2>I really appreciate it. You know, I have John Green

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<v Speaker 2>to thank for me getting involved, and I appreciate your time,

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<v Speaker 2>and I appreciate you asking me to be on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>I had fun. And if you ever need a time

1092
00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:53.039
<v Speaker 2>filler or anything like that in the future, you know,

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00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:54.639
<v Speaker 2>give me a call. I'll be happy to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh fantastic cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thanks a lot, Don. I appreciate you. I've always

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<v Speaker 3>looked up to you in a well respect the name

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<v Speaker 3>in the bigfoot community, so I really appreciate you coming

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<v Speaker 3>on with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Bobo. It was good talking to you again.

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<v Speaker 2>And hopefully someday down the road we can sit down

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01:00:08.480 --> 01:00:11.400
<v Speaker 2>and share a beverage and talk some stories.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that, all right, Don, will you take it easy?

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much again, Thank you. Well, there you go, Bobs.

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<v Speaker 1>How was that man?

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<v Speaker 3>That was great? I didn't talk much because it was

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01:00:22.360 --> 01:00:26.079
<v Speaker 3>he just he knew what to say and just kept rolling. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's one of those things like I like, how much

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01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:31.719
<v Speaker 1>do I ask questions? I just want to listen, you know, Yeah,

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01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:33.440
<v Speaker 1>I just want to I don't want to interrupt any

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<v Speaker 1>stories and whatnot. But but there are so many things

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to ask him about. Well, I mean, Ohio

1112
01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:39.800
<v Speaker 1>is just the gift that keeps on giving man. So

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<v Speaker 1>many good researchers, so many bigfoot reports and whatnot out

1114
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:45.719
<v Speaker 1>of there thanks to the bigfoot researchers out there, and

1115
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:47.440
<v Speaker 1>such a long history of it too. It was so

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01:00:47.480 --> 01:00:49.719
<v Speaker 1>cool to have Dawn on tonight just because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I Bob, I know, Bobo that you're like me, that

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<v Speaker 1>you just love the history of this subject that we're

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<v Speaker 1>swimming in. It's just so neat to have people on

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<v Speaker 1>that who knew everybody and saw everything.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean in Ohio. I mean that's that's the

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<v Speaker 3>episode on The's the Mississippi for sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so, I think so too. Well. All right, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it looks like this is the end of another Bigfoot

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<v Speaker 1>Can't you tell on radio?

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<v Speaker 3>You sound good?

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<v Speaker 1>Darn right? It's the shirt.

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<v Speaker 3>I figured that's what it was, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Both man, take us home, all right.

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