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<v Speaker 1>Today we discuss a rare crime, one so heinous even

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<v Speaker 1>death row inmates look down on you if you commit this,

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<v Speaker 1>an act where you remove the life from another human

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<v Speaker 1>being for your own gain, even though that life is

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<v Speaker 1>neither yours nor theirs. In fact, it's a brand new

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<v Speaker 1>life all on its own. This is the story of

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<v Speaker 1>a rare crime called fetal abduction.

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<v Speaker 2>Warning.

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<v Speaker 1>The following podcasts and material intended more at your audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised. Hey, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>My name's Ben and I'm Nicole, and you're listening to

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<v Speaker 2>Wicked and Grim, a true crime podcast, and we're by it.

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<v Speaker 1>We're back from Halloween. Yes, took a little bit of

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<v Speaker 1>a hiatus. Hopefully you guys are doing good.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel like we haven't been on here for three months, even.

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<v Speaker 1>Though we took what one week break.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much, it feels like three months.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we hope that everyone had an epic Halloween week

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<v Speaker 1>ll seven days of epic noss.

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<v Speaker 2>That was awesome. Yeah, hopefully by now you're caught up

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<v Speaker 2>because we're back to our regular scheduled programming every Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go, there you go. So, do you have

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<v Speaker 2>any news you want to tell anybody? Miss vacation. Well okay,

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<v Speaker 2>so yeah, first class. We meant to I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>put out there. We meant to have an episode out

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<v Speaker 2>last week, but some shit got in the way. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the positives was I went to San Diego, which

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<v Speaker 2>was an amazing trip. I went there for like part

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<v Speaker 2>vacation and then part it was a photography retreat, so

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<v Speaker 2>I have to learn and connect with like their photographers

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<v Speaker 2>and the industry, and it was it was awesome. But

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<v Speaker 2>the reason, the other reasoning why we were a bit

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<v Speaker 2>behind is not so great. Oh okay, yeah, we are

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<v Speaker 2>going there, okay, And I mean we have to announce

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<v Speaker 2>it on here because like you guys have you know them.

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<v Speaker 2>So we unfortunately had to put I'm gonna cry, like

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<v Speaker 2>I can't announce this with that. But we had to

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<v Speaker 2>put Mika down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, our oldest dog, Meca. In the spring, she was

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<v Speaker 1>diagnosed with a very aggressive cancer. We thought she wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>even gonna last much longer into the spring, but she

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<v Speaker 1>ended up lasting all spring, all summer and into the fall. However,

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<v Speaker 1>eventually caught up to her and her time came and

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<v Speaker 1>we had to say goodbye to her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So it was I mean a lot of people

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<v Speaker 2>there are also animal lovers and you just like they're

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<v Speaker 2>part of your family. It's literally got wrenching.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so we want to just kind of designate

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<v Speaker 1>and say that that Halloween Week was in lou for

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<v Speaker 1>Meka because we didn't want to say anything during it

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<v Speaker 1>while it was happening, but we had to put her

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<v Speaker 1>down during Halloween week. So yeah, we just want to

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<v Speaker 1>give that one to her.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, she deserves that, So.

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<v Speaker 1>This one's for her too, because why not.

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<v Speaker 2>Something kind of cool on a side note in regards,

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<v Speaker 2>so we have like this this calendar, this local calendar,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's an it's through the city and then it's

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<v Speaker 2>also like a fundraiser through I think our SPCA, which

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<v Speaker 2>is our I don't know if SPCA is a thing worldwide,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's our animal shelter. And so I had put

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<v Speaker 2>in this photo of our two dogs and like trying

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<v Speaker 2>to get in this calendar and it was just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of an honor of Mika and they picked the photo.

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<v Speaker 2>So there will be little miss Decembers.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we're stoked. And just so you guys know,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need to reach out to us. We appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>all the kind words and everything. We're not sharing this

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<v Speaker 1>with you guys to try and receive sympathy. We just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of want to keep you guys updated because we

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<v Speaker 1>do know that you listen. You know about our dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>and we just kind of full transparency. So just letting

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<v Speaker 1>you know we've kind of made peace with it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>still sad thinking about her, but it is what it

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<v Speaker 1>is and we're doing okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, but there will be one less for baby

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<v Speaker 2>running around, So we disfigured we'd let you know a

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<v Speaker 2>few less dog farts in the podcast. Yeah, maybe we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get distracted a little bit less, but probably not.

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<v Speaker 1>But we should head over to our patrons now. We

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<v Speaker 1>should thank our patrons absolutely, and I do have a correction.

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<v Speaker 1>We do so they never said anything either, They never

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<v Speaker 1>corrected us, but we realized on a rown we totally

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<v Speaker 1>mess it up. So, James Harrington, last time we mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>our podcast or our patrons subscribers, I said, Jamie did,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's totally on my bad, so we.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't even realize. Actually, so thank you, James.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, sorry James for messing up your name, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>known for messing up names anyway, so it's.

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<v Speaker 2>All good, right, Yeah, maybe you loved it.

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<v Speaker 1>We also have Corey Burnell, Jen Lyles zero zero just

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<v Speaker 1>or oh, I don't know. It's just the letter O

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<v Speaker 1>or the number zero. That's all they put in for

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<v Speaker 1>their name. Nicholas Vigasis Vergaeis the grayis there you go?

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<v Speaker 1>The grayis okay, Nicholas the Grayisa. I think I've got it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, there you go. It sounds good.

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<v Speaker 1>Pat and Alison halliwell nice. So thank you all you

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<v Speaker 1>guys for signing up for Patron. We appreciate you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, y'all are the bomb ye And if.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to head over and support us over there

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<v Speaker 1>as well, no pressure, but the link is down below.

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<v Speaker 2>Feel free. We appreciate you just the same though. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like we'll be posting out. We did a pre show

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<v Speaker 2>before we recorded this that we'll be posting in there

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<v Speaker 2>and just where we what would we say? Just talk shit?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just shoot the ship kind of warm up to mics,

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<v Speaker 1>get ourselves ready to go and podcast. Yeah it's fun time,

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<v Speaker 1>but speak ready to go. I think I'm ready to go?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you? I don't know because I was literally just

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<v Speaker 2>like scroll on Facebook as Ben did his little intro

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<v Speaker 2>and then I just did like the side slow glance

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<v Speaker 2>over at him, like.

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<v Speaker 1>The fuck because she knew nothing about what case.

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<v Speaker 2>I do nothing nothing. I'm honestly often blind, like coming

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<v Speaker 2>in blind here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So this is the story of Tika Adams and

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<v Speaker 1>her experience with what is known as fetal abduction.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, we're in for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So warning up ahead of time. This can get

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<v Speaker 1>graphic and a very squeamish, especially for potential mothers or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. So consider yourself warned right now. So

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<v Speaker 1>it starts in Washington, DC in two thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 1>A woman named Tika Adams described herself as a very

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<v Speaker 1>rebellious individual. She created her own rules and didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to live by anyone else's. She was twenty nine years

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<v Speaker 1>old and was living on the streets day with no

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<v Speaker 1>way of knowing where her next meal would come from. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>she was homeless. She was heavy into drug use. She

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<v Speaker 1>was in and out of prisons, and continued to wander

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<v Speaker 1>leading her to her next unlan location each day. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a life no one should have to endure. A

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<v Speaker 1>life of loneliness, pain, and often even shame and regret. However,

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<v Speaker 1>after living this life for what seemed like an eternity,

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<v Speaker 1>Tika decided that she needed to do something. She wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>going to keep living this way and the only person

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<v Speaker 1>who could change it was her.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, I love that. This is okay right, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So she's turning over that new leaf.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 1>She decided she was going to leave the streets behind,

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<v Speaker 1>and her first step to become the woman that she

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to was checking herself into a shelter.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, good for her. Yea, that's not an easy choice

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<v Speaker 2>or easing to do.

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<v Speaker 1>No, definitely not taking life by the balls for the

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<v Speaker 1>proverbial saying, or however you want to say it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a big step. Yeah, So good for her for

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<v Speaker 1>making that call.

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<v Speaker 2>To literally step back, see what situation you're in and

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<v Speaker 2>then have the courage to change it. Is amazing. It's huge, huge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So she did that. She went to a shelter

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<v Speaker 1>in DC which was being run by the Community for

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<v Speaker 1>Creative Non Violence, and there she began to stay in

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<v Speaker 1>the woman's section of the shelter and she officially began

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<v Speaker 1>turning over that new leaf. Now, as such as life.

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<v Speaker 1>When you go searching for something, you will generally find it.

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<v Speaker 1>Some call it karma, others call it fate. When you

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<v Speaker 1>put out a good energy into the universe, you can

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<v Speaker 1>really generally say that you'll find good energy come back

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<v Speaker 1>your way. So when Tika checked herself in ready to

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<v Speaker 1>leave her old life behind, her new life presented her

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<v Speaker 1>in the form or with good energy, in the form

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<v Speaker 1>of a man named PJJ. He was also checked in

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<v Speaker 1>the shelter. He was in a very similar situation. He

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<v Speaker 1>decided he had had enough of the life on the

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<v Speaker 1>streets and it was time to turn his life around.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so I'm I was going to say they seem

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<v Speaker 2>like a good match, but hopefully this guy isn't an asshole.

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<v Speaker 1>No, he's a good guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, he's a good guy. Okay, because you never know

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes where we going to like this person? Are we

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<v Speaker 1>This is a true crime podcast, so you know a

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<v Speaker 1>true crime is going to occur, and we already discussed

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<v Speaker 1>what kind of crime is.

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<v Speaker 2>So well, well, I'm going to say he's the dad.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes. The two instantly made a connection and their love

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<v Speaker 1>for one another began to develop quickly. Now, while still

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<v Speaker 1>in the shelter. The two would eventually get married wow,

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<v Speaker 1>and Tika would soon be an expecting mother Right on yep.

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<v Speaker 1>So everything in Tika's life was beginning to turn around.

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<v Speaker 1>She was off the streets, she now had a family

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<v Speaker 1>of her own, and her future was looking brighter.

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<v Speaker 2>Every day, no kidding, it's like a three sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>However, a very dark twist would come into her life.

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<v Speaker 1>When she was seven months pregnant with a phone call.

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<v Speaker 1>Tika began receiving phone calls, calls from a number that

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<v Speaker 1>showed up on her caller ID as unknown. She brushed

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<v Speaker 1>the calls off at first and ignored them, but they

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<v Speaker 1>kept coming. So one day, while she was on her

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<v Speaker 1>way to the grocery store with a friend, the phone

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<v Speaker 1>rang again with that same unknown display. She decided she

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<v Speaker 1>would see who it was and what they wanted, so

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<v Speaker 1>she answered it. I know a lot of the times,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the worst. I won't answer them. I won't even

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<v Speaker 2>answer the goddamn door if someone's there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the door's a little bit different. It is a

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<v Speaker 1>physical location. It's like right there, you're confronted with them,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. Yeah, so I can't blame you for that.

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<v Speaker 2>This podcast has made me scared.

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<v Speaker 1>Shilla, close your doors, your windows, watch your bathroom mirror.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna say your medicine cabine's Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So, Tika found on the other end of the phone

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<v Speaker 1>was a friendly voice of a woman, and she introduced

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<v Speaker 1>herself as Stephanie Mills. Now step began to tell Tica

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<v Speaker 1>Things like that individuals who like her are pregnant.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, the idea is that the company she works with

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<v Speaker 1>helps women by providing such things such as baby clothing

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<v Speaker 1>or other supplies that expecting mothers would need but can't

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<v Speaker 1>quite supply for themselves. Understandably, many women in tika situation

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<v Speaker 1>that they need to raise a child, so the support

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<v Speaker 2>Well, absolutely, you need so much shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, kids are not cheap.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like so many things.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. So the conversation continues and she tells Tica all

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<v Speaker 1>like you name it. Most of it's being donated or secondhand,

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<v Speaker 1>but they have a lot that they can pass on

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<v Speaker 1>This would help her and PJ tremendously and they would

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<v Speaker 2>Though I'm skeptical of the warehouse.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he wasn't so sure of the situation. A feeling

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<v Speaker 1>Teaka was not too fond of sharing. She reassured him

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<v Speaker 2>M Well, she was probably like thinking, this is just oh,

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<v Speaker 2>they've answered my prayers kind of thing, like we need

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<v Speaker 2>we need help, like I want to give this baby

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<v Speaker 2>everything possible, right, and then this phone call just so

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<v Speaker 2>she's it, this is like kind of a tricky spot,

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<v Speaker 2>especially because most people think other people are good.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, well definitely. So if you receive a phone

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<v Speaker 1>call like because there are organizations like this hunter are

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<v Speaker 1>so you receive this phone call to help your child.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course you're going to take it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would. Generally, I feel like you have to

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<v Speaker 1>So, potentially, I'm not too sure how it would work

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<v Speaker 1>in a shelter situation because they might have names of

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean giving I guess the situation that she

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<v Speaker 2>So where's your head going with this?

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<v Speaker 1>So far? Though, I'm curious.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this warehouse is shit and she needs to

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<v Speaker 1>You think the warehouse is shit?

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<v Speaker 2>You? No, just the warehouse? I was like, no, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>just don't I in my brain, and she needs to

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<v Speaker 2>go with someone. She's going to pick up shit. She

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<v Speaker 2>needs to take someone with her, a buddy.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough. Well, Tka and Stephanie continue to be in contact,

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<v Speaker 1>discussing her needs and getting her set up to come

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<v Speaker 1>pick up the items that she'd be needing. It was

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<v Speaker 1>early December two thousand and nine when Tika Adams was

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<v Speaker 1>nine months pregnant and the time finally came where she

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<v Speaker 1>could be picking up her goods. Oh my gosh, Stephanie

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<v Speaker 1>together to the wear house.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I just have to say, so, the Stephanie chick

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<v Speaker 2>is really she's forming a relationship with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>That's longer than just a phone call.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean that it makes it even worse because

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<v Speaker 2>of course you'd think that this person is investing in you.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes what worse?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what might be going down here because.

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<v Speaker 1>You're making a lot of assumptions.

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<v Speaker 2>I am okay, maybe I'll just shut up. So it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Everything's fine, everything's great. This warehouse is just peachy, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's full of baby clothes and stuff. Yeah. No, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I'm just like, Okay, she's literally investing in

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<v Speaker 2>this person. For two months, they've been having conversations like

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<v Speaker 2>she's really going next level here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. Well, Tika was investing a lot like you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>She was filled with excitement. Her baby was almost here

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<v Speaker 1>and she was finally being presented with the items to

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<v Speaker 1>take care of it. During the drive the two talk,

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<v Speaker 1>Tika spoke all about her life and how she was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to become a better person. She described her time

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<v Speaker 1>in the streets, her encounters with substance abuse, and her

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<v Speaker 1>new baby in marriage, which meant the world to her,

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<v Speaker 1>and Stephanie shared a bit of her life as well,

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<v Speaker 1>talking about some of her family, like she had a

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<v Speaker 1>teenage son and so forth, the worst teenage sons.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't know the fact that she's Okay, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>my brain's going to the wrong place. But she's in

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<v Speaker 2>this vehicle with this person. They're sharing, they're liking each other. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>why the fuck does she not have someone with her

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<v Speaker 2>right now? Like, I'm sorry, but please just take buddies, well,

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<v Speaker 2>buddy system.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she did not take a buddy and eventually the

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<v Speaker 1>two Stephanie and Tica would arrive at the warehouse location. However,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't a warehouse.

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<v Speaker 2>What was it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was Stephanie's apartment. Okay, it was odd, but Tika

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<v Speaker 1>brushed it off and thought, Okay, something must have just

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<v Speaker 1>changed in the details or something. She didn't really know

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<v Speaker 1>what to think. Yeah, so she went inside the apartment with.

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<v Speaker 2>Stephanie because that seems safer than a warehouse. But maybe not.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you'd think it would be safer, for sure, That'd

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<v Speaker 1>be my assumption. Yeah, I'd probably be like, oh, thank god,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an apartment, not a fucking sketchy warehouse. Now, the

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<v Speaker 1>apartment was a large, pale brick building. They entered through

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<v Speaker 1>a glass door entrance through a sliding door glass door

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<v Speaker 1>story which was beside a front door, and led them

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<v Speaker 1>into the living room. Now the room was rather empty,

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<v Speaker 1>with a couch and some scattered boxes laying around, but

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<v Speaker 1>Stephanie kept leading her through the room into an adjacent bedroom.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the situation was odd. There were no donated baby

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<v Speaker 1>clothes or anything of that nature in sight. In the bedroom,

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<v Speaker 1>Stephanie let Tica sit on the bed and she put

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<v Speaker 1>a movie on the TV that was located in the room.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, weird.

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<v Speaker 1>She also fixed her lunch in the form of two sandwiches.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>So the two sat down and began to watch the movie,

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<v Speaker 1>and by now Tica was feeling quite uncomfortable. She didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to be rude. She just assumed that Stephanie was

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<v Speaker 1>maybe just like a really awkward or different individual, So

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't want to press or anything like that. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>But soon enough the time would come and they would

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<v Speaker 1>That's what she was hoping for. She's like Okay, movie

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<v Speaker 1>will end soon, and it's going to happen here soon.

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<v Speaker 1>She just wants to chill for a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Who knows, Holy heck, she's very kind.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The fact that she's just like eating the sandwich and

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<v Speaker 2>watching the movie, Yeah, that's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they sat on the bed with the movie playing.

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<v Speaker 1>Antika's phone rang. It was her husband, PJ m. He

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<v Speaker 1>asked if she was finished up and needed him to

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<v Speaker 1>come pick her up. There was one problem though, Tika

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know where they were right. She told PJ what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on. She kind of reassured him that she'd

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<v Speaker 1>just be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Meanwhile, he's just like, what the actual

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<v Speaker 2>is going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? So the movie would eventually end, and Stephanie got

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<v Speaker 1>up and put another one on. Oh my gosh, And

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<v Speaker 1>strangely enough, after that, she would get up to put

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. However, things would quickly take a.

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<v Speaker 1>Severe turn at this point. At the third movie, all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, Tica had a blanket thrown over her

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<v Speaker 1>head and a violent beating and assault began.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I okay, two movies in, like, yes, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what is going on here? I'm so confused?

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<v Speaker 1>She sat there with her for two movies in this

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<v Speaker 1>stranger's bedroom, just being polite as far as I can tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but why did this Stephanie chick need two movies?

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<v Speaker 2>And like, how did she even find this woman? I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just yeah, we'll carry on here, but I got questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, these movies seem to be a bit of a

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<v Speaker 1>theme and I'm not too sure why or what's with them.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, well we'll touch on it here shortly.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So, as the assault began, Stephanie was on top of Tika,

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<v Speaker 1>punching and hit her repeatedly, but still the nine month

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant Teka managed to get to her feet and put

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<v Speaker 1>her hands and arms up to defend herself as she

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh my gosh, I thought there was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be more individuals there. No, hmm.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Tica by this time had a large cut across

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<v Speaker 1>her head and had blood pouring into her face, but

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<v Speaker 1>she still continued to fight. However, Stephanie was just too much,

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<v Speaker 1>even more so when she got a hold of a

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<v Speaker 1>fire poker and began to beat Tika with it over

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<v Speaker 1>and over. Wow, she was beaten into unconsciousness. But it

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<v Speaker 1>is estimated that she was struck with that fire poker

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<v Speaker 1>approximately forty times.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy, okay, that's that's incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>That is brutal.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean it's incredible that, like she was putting

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<v Speaker 2>up the fight of her life there, like she's trying

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<v Speaker 2>to save herself and her baby. She's doing this all

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<v Speaker 2>well nine months. Yeah, Like to withstand that much just

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<v Speaker 2>shows how much strength she has.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, one hundred percent. I'm sitting here and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>I got a poop and I can barely walk to

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, I feel like I get hit once

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<v Speaker 2>and be like done.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, Tica's definitely different than us because she managed to

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<v Speaker 1>just take a lot. Yeah, she did manage to regain

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<v Speaker 1>consciousness as she was being dragged down a hallway.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, Yeah, this is just gonna get worse and worse,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it from here on out?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes? Yeah, she was being dragged down the hallway by

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<v Speaker 1>her ankles towards the kitchen, but she was now bound

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<v Speaker 1>and gagged, Okay, left helpless to her attacker. She was

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<v Speaker 1>also still quite.

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<v Speaker 2>Well.

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<v Speaker 1>She just went through a severe beating. She has a

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<v Speaker 1>bell runk, so she's not quite with it right. Hell no,

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<v Speaker 1>Next though, she remembers hearing rustling coming from the kitchen drawer,

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<v Speaker 1>and then she sees stiff Stephanie kneeling at her side

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<v Speaker 1>with a box cutter.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, this is just brutal. This is brutal.

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<v Speaker 1>She remembers Stephanie telling her what she was going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>She remembered her saying she was going to take her baby,

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<v Speaker 1>then feeling a sharp pain in her side. Man, as

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<v Speaker 1>Stephanie began to cut.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be more than just a sharp fucking pain.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, you try writing a podcast and describing that.

426
00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh I know. Sorry, I'm not I'm not saying anything

427
00:21:50.279 --> 00:21:52.960
<v Speaker 2>but bad about how you wrote it. But that would

428
00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:55.160
<v Speaker 2>be for going excruciate it.

429
00:21:55.279 --> 00:21:59.599
<v Speaker 1>She felt an excruciatingly sharp pain. How's that that's better?

430
00:22:01.759 --> 00:22:07.119
<v Speaker 1>It's all gold. So as quickly as it began, though,

431
00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:12.960
<v Speaker 1>it luckily stopped, and Tika could hear Stephanie's voice as

432
00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:17.680
<v Speaker 1>she began to pray as she said, Lord, forgive me,

433
00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:19.640
<v Speaker 1>I've sinned. Forgive me.

434
00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:22.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's a big ass sin.

435
00:22:23.960 --> 00:22:27.359
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it is then she began to start cleaning up

436
00:22:27.359 --> 00:22:29.799
<v Speaker 1>the large amounts of blood that had saturated the floor

437
00:22:29.839 --> 00:22:32.759
<v Speaker 1>surrounding the two of them, And as she began cleaning,

438
00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:36.759
<v Speaker 1>she also instructed Tica to stand up, but she was

439
00:22:36.839 --> 00:22:40.920
<v Speaker 1>unable to due to her injuries and the restraints, so

440
00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Stephanie helped her get back to the bedroom where she

441
00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:47.400
<v Speaker 1>laid her down on the bed. There, she takes away

442
00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:52.119
<v Speaker 1>Tika's cell phone immediately, and Tika starts telling Stephanie that

443
00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:56.160
<v Speaker 1>she just won't tell anyone what happened if she just

444
00:22:56.559 --> 00:22:57.440
<v Speaker 1>lets her go.

445
00:22:57.920 --> 00:22:59.839
<v Speaker 2>Hey will was her baby still in her?

446
00:23:00.319 --> 00:23:00.599
<v Speaker 1>Yes?

447
00:23:01.039 --> 00:23:03.559
<v Speaker 2>Oh? Okay, so this Stephanie, she.

448
00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Did not take it yet.

449
00:23:04.519 --> 00:23:06.519
<v Speaker 2>She started cutting, but she didn't finish.

450
00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:07.119
<v Speaker 1>She did not.

451
00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:10.319
<v Speaker 2>Finish, and then she realized that she's a piece of shit.

452
00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm okay, gosh, this is crazy.

453
00:23:16.519 --> 00:23:18.920
<v Speaker 1>So Tka was thinking back to the conversation the two

454
00:23:19.119 --> 00:23:21.200
<v Speaker 1>had when they were in the car driving to the

455
00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:24.160
<v Speaker 1>apartment or what she thought was the warehouse. Yeah, and

456
00:23:24.200 --> 00:23:27.480
<v Speaker 1>she remembers Stephanie talking about her son. So she tried

457
00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:29.759
<v Speaker 1>to use this to her advantage, saying that she wouldn't

458
00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:32.279
<v Speaker 1>say anything because she doesn't believe in breaking up a family.

459
00:23:32.400 --> 00:23:34.119
<v Speaker 1>She's trying to tug at those heart strings.

460
00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:35.279
<v Speaker 2>She's smart, she.

461
00:23:35.359 --> 00:23:39.880
<v Speaker 1>Is she's she's a badassy to say that.

462
00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:42.279
<v Speaker 2>I just think this woman is incredible.

463
00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:46.599
<v Speaker 1>Her words seemed to actually be making an impact on Stephanie.

464
00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:51.519
<v Speaker 1>Stephanie began pacing around the apartment, struggling with what she

465
00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:54.839
<v Speaker 1>was going to do next. This would go on into

466
00:23:54.839 --> 00:23:59.559
<v Speaker 1>the night. In fact, it continued for the next three days.

467
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

468
00:24:01.799 --> 00:24:04.839
<v Speaker 1>Tika was held captive, unsure of her and her baby's

469
00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:08.680
<v Speaker 1>safety as her captor paced around the apartment, all while

470
00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:13.119
<v Speaker 1>Stephanie had movies playing on repeat, over and over and

471
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:13.839
<v Speaker 1>over again.

472
00:24:14.359 --> 00:24:18.039
<v Speaker 2>Well, and she's so injured too, Like, it's almost amazing

473
00:24:18.079 --> 00:24:21.279
<v Speaker 2>that she could even have lasted those days without getting

474
00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:22.400
<v Speaker 2>medical attention.

475
00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:25.839
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I guarantee you she at least has a concussion,

476
00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:27.720
<v Speaker 1>not alone her lacerations. Right.

477
00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:31.680
<v Speaker 2>And Pej, right, that's his name, Pj. The husband must

478
00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:32.960
<v Speaker 2>just be worried sick.

479
00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:35.359
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I guarantee you he was.

480
00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:36.559
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

481
00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:41.519
<v Speaker 1>So all this time, Tika refused to sleep in fear

482
00:24:41.559 --> 00:24:43.480
<v Speaker 1>of what could happen to her if her eyes even

483
00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:46.559
<v Speaker 1>closed for a moment. Gosh, now, possibly even if she

484
00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:49.519
<v Speaker 1>wanted to her senses may not even allowed her to rest.

485
00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:53.279
<v Speaker 1>The one and only good thing Stephanie did for Tika

486
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:58.359
<v Speaker 1>was she helped keep her fed and hydrated, most likely

487
00:24:58.400 --> 00:24:59.799
<v Speaker 1>to ensure good health of the child.

488
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:02.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

489
00:25:02.079 --> 00:25:06.279
<v Speaker 1>On the third night, Tica witnessed a very ominous sight

490
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:10.720
<v Speaker 1>as Stephanie entered the room carrying a large metal bowl

491
00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:15.720
<v Speaker 1>full of ice and carried six towels, some rags, two

492
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.160
<v Speaker 1>box cutters, and a knife with her.

493
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, too much shit. She's like just getting

494
00:25:23.720 --> 00:25:25.599
<v Speaker 2>the courage to have done this and do it again.

495
00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Yep, fear struck her, But she was helpless in the

496
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:32.960
<v Speaker 1>whole situation, and she had her head wrapped in duct

497
00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:37.039
<v Speaker 1>tape so she couldn't scream and she wouldn't be able

498
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:43.759
<v Speaker 1>to see what was going on. Wow, okay, yep, Stephanie

499
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:48.599
<v Speaker 1>began to start cutting as Tica laid there helpless. She

500
00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:52.279
<v Speaker 1>began cutting at her pelvic pelvic region, not knowing what

501
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:54.839
<v Speaker 1>she was doing at all because she is no surgeon,

502
00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:58.440
<v Speaker 1>And after a few minutes of trying, she started physically

503
00:25:58.480 --> 00:26:03.279
<v Speaker 1>poking and picking and at Tika's open cut of fingers.

504
00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, presumably because she wasn't getting the job done.

505
00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:08.599
<v Speaker 1>With the knives because.

506
00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:10.799
<v Speaker 2>She has no idea what the fuck she's doing.

507
00:26:10.799 --> 00:26:16.079
<v Speaker 1>Zero fucking clue. All the while Tika is awake and feeling.

508
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, okay, this is almost too much. Okay.

509
00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:23.319
<v Speaker 1>In the background, Tika remembers hearing the movie Michael Jackson's

510
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:27.119
<v Speaker 1>This Is It playing, and Stephanie would stop and rewind

511
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:29.440
<v Speaker 1>the movie in certain parts to hear him sing and

512
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:34.640
<v Speaker 1>perform as she continued to do her grotesque procedure. Really, yes,

513
00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:40.119
<v Speaker 1>a very odd fact in this case, okay. So, like

514
00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I said, Tica was feeling all of this the whole time,

515
00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and eventually she would pass out from the pain and

516
00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:50.920
<v Speaker 1>blood loss. And when she woke up, she was in

517
00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:54.359
<v Speaker 1>severe pain, and Stephanie was lying in front of the

518
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:58.519
<v Speaker 1>bedroom door, sleeping in the fetal position. It seemed that

519
00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:03.200
<v Speaker 1>again she was not successful, and Tika still had her baby.

520
00:27:03.359 --> 00:27:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Holy okay, I cannot even imagine the shape that this

521
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:08.680
<v Speaker 2>woman is in at this point.

522
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:13.119
<v Speaker 1>Yep. So now what happens next is insane. It's not

523
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:15.920
<v Speaker 1>too clear on how her restraints worked in the situation

524
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:18.079
<v Speaker 1>with the duct tape around her face, or how she

525
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:21.480
<v Speaker 1>was restrained, or if she got them removed. Somehow. But

526
00:27:21.640 --> 00:27:24.319
<v Speaker 1>we do know is she managed to roll out of bed,

527
00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:28.160
<v Speaker 1>and she prayed all the while while she was saying,

528
00:27:28.519 --> 00:27:32.880
<v Speaker 1>please just give me the strength. Slowly she crept towards

529
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:36.839
<v Speaker 1>the door and stepped over Stephanie, trailing drops of blood

530
00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:39.240
<v Speaker 1>across her as she slept.

531
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh, she was sleeping there.

532
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:44.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Stephanie was sleeping in the fetal position on the

533
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:48.720
<v Speaker 1>ground in front of the bedroom door. Antika stepped over her,

534
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:51.160
<v Speaker 1>bleeding on her while she's sleeping.

535
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:56.039
<v Speaker 2>Well in men's pain. I can imagine how that? Could

536
00:27:56.039 --> 00:27:58.319
<v Speaker 2>you keep quiet while you were doing that, when you

537
00:27:58.319 --> 00:27:59.359
<v Speaker 2>were in this much pain?

538
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and miraculously Stephanie didn't wake up.

539
00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:04.279
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

540
00:28:05.480 --> 00:28:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Step after step Tica kept pushing, kept going towards the door,

541
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:13.759
<v Speaker 1>slowly making her way down the hallway. As she's doing this,

542
00:28:14.119 --> 00:28:18.519
<v Speaker 1>her stomach and internal organs began spilling out into her hands.

543
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, I'm not surprised though.

544
00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:27.359
<v Speaker 1>Amazingly, she makes it to the front door and unlocks

545
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:31.319
<v Speaker 1>all three of the locks one by one. So they're

546
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:33.480
<v Speaker 1>not like key locks. Their locks to keep people from

547
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:34.640
<v Speaker 1>outside getting in.

548
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, yep, which is good.

549
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:40.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So finally she managed to open the door to

550
00:28:40.640 --> 00:28:43.839
<v Speaker 1>the apartment. She made her way outside into the hallway,

551
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:46.960
<v Speaker 1>where not too far she would pass out.

552
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, okay, please someone come. She woke up again

553
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:53.640
<v Speaker 2>to see Stephanie.

554
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Leaning over her.

555
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:55.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh shit, as.

556
00:28:55.480 --> 00:28:58.000
<v Speaker 1>She began dragging her back to the apartment.

557
00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:01.000
<v Speaker 2>You're fucking kidding me, as I'm pissed.

558
00:29:01.079 --> 00:29:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Why don't you tell me how you really feel.

559
00:29:03.559 --> 00:29:08.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm pissed because I was like, no, like she's going

560
00:29:08.200 --> 00:29:10.440
<v Speaker 2>to make it out of there, like I really thought

561
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:12.079
<v Speaker 2>she was. This is this is horrible.

562
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:14.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, Tica was once again ready to put up a fight,

563
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:20.640
<v Speaker 1>and she began screaming bloody murder, which got the attention

564
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:23.759
<v Speaker 1>of a neighbor. Good, and he poked his head out

565
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>into the hallway.

566
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:25.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

567
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Now, Tika looked this guy right in the face and

568
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:32.240
<v Speaker 1>she screamed, please help me. She's trying to kill me,

569
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:37.079
<v Speaker 1>and she lifted her it's a navy blue colored shirt,

570
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:39.559
<v Speaker 1>so it wasn't showing the bloodstains, but she lifted her

571
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:43.079
<v Speaker 1>shirt to show her stomach to the man, and the

572
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:47.640
<v Speaker 1>man like probably went just ghost white seeing that, and

573
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:52.319
<v Speaker 1>he screamed immediately that he's calling the police, and Stephanie

574
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:53.039
<v Speaker 1>booked it.

575
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:58.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, Thank goodness he fucking ran because I was like,

576
00:29:58.119 --> 00:30:00.960
<v Speaker 2>now this guy's in danger, Like, what's how up and next? Here?

577
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:06.039
<v Speaker 2>Because this lady is literally something's I don't know. I

578
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:08.240
<v Speaker 2>don't want to but she's crazy. I don't know if

579
00:30:08.279 --> 00:30:09.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm allowed to say that, but she's crazy.

580
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:12.039
<v Speaker 1>Something's not right there.

581
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:13.839
<v Speaker 2>That's something is really not right.

582
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:15.599
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know about you. I would not have

583
00:30:15.680 --> 00:30:17.960
<v Speaker 1>made it as far as Tika has made it. No,

584
00:30:18.240 --> 00:30:19.960
<v Speaker 1>I would have been dead long time ago.

585
00:30:20.279 --> 00:30:21.599
<v Speaker 2>She's incredible.

586
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:25.119
<v Speaker 1>I am shocked, right, But I haven't given her the

587
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:27.680
<v Speaker 1>title you're thinking about just yet because there's a certain point.

588
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:28.400
<v Speaker 2>There's more.

589
00:30:28.839 --> 00:30:31.200
<v Speaker 1>There's a certain point where I want to pin it

590
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:33.440
<v Speaker 1>on because it just makes it all so.

591
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:36.400
<v Speaker 2>Sweet because I'm like kind of been waiting. How is

592
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:38.839
<v Speaker 2>he not? How can you tell him? How is he?

593
00:30:39.079 --> 00:30:41.039
<v Speaker 1>Just just wait for it, because there is one moment

594
00:30:41.200 --> 00:30:44.519
<v Speaker 1>where it just it's it makes sense. So hold on

595
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:45.039
<v Speaker 1>to that thought.

596
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:45.839
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay.

597
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>So Tika was thankfully rushed into hospital and immediately went

598
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:55.519
<v Speaker 1>into emergency surgery. When she woke up, she had the

599
00:30:55.559 --> 00:30:58.279
<v Speaker 1>sight of her husband PJ sitting next to her at

600
00:30:58.319 --> 00:30:59.079
<v Speaker 1>her bedside.

601
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:03.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh and she just probably just melted like of happiness.

602
00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:07.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she was safe, she was alive, she was filled

603
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.359
<v Speaker 1>with joy. But one question plagued her mind the moment

604
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.559
<v Speaker 1>she regained consciousness the baby. What happened to her baby?

605
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:17.920
<v Speaker 1>What do you think happened to the baby.

606
00:31:17.680 --> 00:31:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Has to live? Like I'm sorry, but the mom can't

607
00:31:20.440 --> 00:31:22.960
<v Speaker 2>be that badass and the baby not lives like this,

608
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:25.880
<v Speaker 2>like this needs to end. Well.

609
00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:31.599
<v Speaker 1>Well, just as she was about to ask this question,

610
00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:36.480
<v Speaker 1>a nurse walked into the room the baby and congratulated

611
00:31:36.480 --> 00:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>her on the birth of her healthy baby girl. O. Yes,

612
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:45.839
<v Speaker 1>Tica and PJ named their daughter Miracle for obvious reasons.

613
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:50.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, dude, that makes me want to so hold.

614
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.119
<v Speaker 1>The look on your face when I said that, like.

615
00:31:55.359 --> 00:31:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Instantly, my eyes are just wandering. That's the most amazing

616
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:00.000
<v Speaker 2>thing I've ever heard.

617
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:02.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh you're good.

618
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:05.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm good, but well I never expected that.

619
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:11.680
<v Speaker 1>So as for Stephanie, well, if you're not surprised to

620
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:15.559
<v Speaker 1>hear this, her name isn't actually Stephanie. Her name is

621
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Veronica Derrin Moose. She's forty one, and she definitely was

622
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.720
<v Speaker 1>not part of a company that helped less fortunate women.

623
00:32:23.119 --> 00:32:29.359
<v Speaker 2>No, she's freaking horrific person. Yeah you think so? Yeah, Yeah,

624
00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I think so as well. Yeah, I can't. I can't

625
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:35.559
<v Speaker 2>stop thinking a little miracle. I'm really invested in this one.

626
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:41.799
<v Speaker 1>Well, surprisingly, Stephanie or Veronica, I'll be calling her now. Surprisingly,

627
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:45.519
<v Speaker 1>Veronica actually called the police on herself and turned herself in.

628
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:48.079
<v Speaker 2>Really yeah.

629
00:32:48.440 --> 00:32:51.559
<v Speaker 1>Now. A trial was held in November of twenty ten,

630
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>where on a plea bargain she pled guilty but initially

631
00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 1>claimed Tika had actually agreed to sell the baby for

632
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:06.480
<v Speaker 1>five grand. Oh wow, right, what? I want to call

633
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:08.319
<v Speaker 1>her all sorts of names just for that alone.

634
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:13.160
<v Speaker 2>But I really think something's gone really bad for her.

635
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Oh definitely, definitely.

636
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:15.759
<v Speaker 2>What's her name?

637
00:33:15.799 --> 00:33:16.920
<v Speaker 1>Sorry, Veronica?

638
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Veronica? Like so, I think that she's probably suffering from

639
00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:26.599
<v Speaker 2>something pretty serious. But that's a pretty five grand. That's

640
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<v Speaker 2>like a real shit lie there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I can't. I can't imagine what someone would

642
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<v Speaker 1>have had to have gone through to, let alone contemplate

643
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<v Speaker 1>actually go through with the actions of Steele an other

644
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<v Speaker 1>woman's child.

645
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<v Speaker 2>She came up with this crazy plan and went through

646
00:33:45.079 --> 00:33:47.920
<v Speaker 2>all the steps and and you can even tell through

647
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<v Speaker 2>the story obviously that she struggled with what she was doing.

648
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<v Speaker 2>Because it took her too taught well two times and

649
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:55.279
<v Speaker 2>she didn't even succeed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I like, what would put you in that position?

651
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<v Speaker 1>You know what I mean? What would say, Okay, I

652
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<v Speaker 1>am traumatized to the point that I am going to

653
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<v Speaker 1>cut open your stomach and take your child from you

654
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<v Speaker 1>for my gain and think that's okay.

655
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.360
<v Speaker 2>And think that that's going to just end well.

656
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<v Speaker 1>Or even if it does you do get away with it,

657
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<v Speaker 1>How do you think you're going to live with yourself

658
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<v Speaker 1>after that? Like, there's got like I can't imagine what

659
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:27.960
<v Speaker 1>someone would have to go through to justify that to themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>So I do feel very bad for Veronica because I

661
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<v Speaker 1>can only imagine what put her in that position. Yeah, however,

662
00:34:35.239 --> 00:34:38.519
<v Speaker 1>she did do this act and it's like fuck you.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, oh yeah, it was terrible. Yeah, And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>just do you touch on how she ended up finding.

665
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<v Speaker 1>Her like at this That just no, that's actually not

666
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<v Speaker 1>something I have ran across.

667
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:52.280
<v Speaker 2>If I'm being honest, Oka's wild.

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<v Speaker 1>It would have clearly have been through the shelter of

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of way, But I'm not too certain how

670
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<v Speaker 1>whether she was scoping it out or.

671
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<v Speaker 2>What Yeah, yeah, or could even been like volunteering there

672
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.199
<v Speaker 2>or it just came across her or something. Yeah.

673
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I'm not too certain. That's not something I

674
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<v Speaker 1>managed to find. So Veronica was found guilty of first

675
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:20.760
<v Speaker 1>degree assault and was sentenced to twenty five years in prison.

676
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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay. I was wondering how long it would be

677
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.880
<v Speaker 2>because it's like murder assault, Like, I wasn't sure the

678
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:27.360
<v Speaker 2>difference in kind of time there.

679
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:30.079
<v Speaker 1>And I do think that this is something that hasn't

680
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:32.920
<v Speaker 1>seen a lot of like court time, like a fetal abduction.

681
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:36.559
<v Speaker 1>So I'm not too certain if there's like a standard

682
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:41.119
<v Speaker 1>on what the sentencing should be. So I would imagine

683
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:42.920
<v Speaker 1>that would have been a difficult call for the court

684
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:47.960
<v Speaker 1>process to do. Anyways, So on to the moment where

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<v Speaker 1>I said that Tika has that moment to be given

686
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<v Speaker 1>that title.

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00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

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00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:58.920
<v Speaker 1>So Tika, at twenty nine years old, brought her daughter

689
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:02.480
<v Speaker 1>back into the courtroom to stand against her attacker, even

690
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:07.320
<v Speaker 1>though she was already proven guilty. She didn't need to

691
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<v Speaker 1>stand up there, but she wanted to stand up there

692
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<v Speaker 1>to show Veronica exactly who she was and that she

693
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<v Speaker 1>didn't take her or her child. So Tika lives in

694
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<v Speaker 1>an apartment with her family now in DC. They are

695
00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:24.360
<v Speaker 1>no longer homeless and have turned their lives around, just

696
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:26.960
<v Speaker 1>as they said they would. And I want to quote

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00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:31.960
<v Speaker 1>something that Tika has said. She said this, I survived

698
00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:34.000
<v Speaker 1>because I was coming to a point in my life

699
00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:37.239
<v Speaker 1>where I started to love myself and respect myself and

700
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:42.480
<v Speaker 1>cherish life. I survived because of God and my support system.

701
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:44.679
<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of people love me, and I

702
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.800
<v Speaker 1>know that my God loves me. And like they say,

703
00:36:48.320 --> 00:36:51.360
<v Speaker 1>God looks after babies and fools, and I had a

704
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:53.239
<v Speaker 1>baby and I was a fool.

705
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:57.079
<v Speaker 2>Wow, hey, so do you.

706
00:36:57.079 --> 00:36:58.559
<v Speaker 1>Want to do the honors and give her the title?

707
00:36:58.880 --> 00:37:02.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, I know with like literally just chills this one.

708
00:37:03.159 --> 00:37:06.760
<v Speaker 2>H Yeah, she is one and ten percent like the

709
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.639
<v Speaker 2>badass of the day. More so I think, yes, she's

710
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:10.719
<v Speaker 2>a title bigger than that.

711
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:13.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah she is. She's well, she's our badass the day,

712
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.960
<v Speaker 1>through and through. Like there's I don't know how I

713
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:20.000
<v Speaker 1>could ever even hope to do something like she has done,

714
00:37:20.039 --> 00:37:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Not that I would hope to go through that, but

715
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.400
<v Speaker 1>like to achieve that sort of like bad ass or

716
00:37:24.480 --> 00:37:24.960
<v Speaker 1>you know what I.

717
00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:27.079
<v Speaker 2>Mean, No kidding, because I'm just thinking the amount of

718
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.119
<v Speaker 2>blood that she would have lost and the fact that

719
00:37:30.159 --> 00:37:34.519
<v Speaker 2>she could, that she still could regain consciousness is mind blowing.

720
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<v Speaker 1>I do think the fact that it was over the

721
00:37:36.559 --> 00:37:39.360
<v Speaker 1>course of a few days helped her in that situation.

722
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's that makes sense.

723
00:37:41.719 --> 00:37:44.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because she had an initial assault where she probably

724
00:37:44.679 --> 00:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>would have lost quite a bit of blood, and then

725
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.519
<v Speaker 1>it was three days later where the second assault occurred. Right,

726
00:37:50.639 --> 00:37:54.400
<v Speaker 1>So I'm thinking within those few days her body was

727
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:57.760
<v Speaker 1>able to help replenish the blood in her system.

728
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, huh, I'm not too And because that chick I

729
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:06.519
<v Speaker 2>still can't remember her name. I'm for some reason can't

730
00:38:06.559 --> 00:38:08.159
<v Speaker 2>remember either of her name for the life of me,

731
00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:13.880
<v Speaker 2>which is fine. But she was, like you said, giving

732
00:38:13.880 --> 00:38:18.039
<v Speaker 2>her food and stuff too, Yeah, because that would have helped,

733
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:20.559
<v Speaker 2>because if she had no nourishment in those days, then

734
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:24.760
<v Speaker 2>who knows how much she would have regained her strength

735
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:25.159
<v Speaker 2>and stuff.

736
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<v Speaker 1>Right yep, Yeah, that's totally fair.

737
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<v Speaker 2>Huh.

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<v Speaker 1>So that is the tale of Tka Adams and her

739
00:38:31.800 --> 00:38:32.840
<v Speaker 1>little baby Miracle.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I have never heard of this and that name. Okay,

741
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Miracle has literally like a badass mom. Oh that would

742
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<v Speaker 2>I do? I couldn't even imagine what she would do

743
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:50.719
<v Speaker 2>to protect her like that's incredible. I mean, she already did. Gosh,

744
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:54.719
<v Speaker 2>she was protecting her at that time. Holy heck. Okay,

745
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:58.119
<v Speaker 2>so that my mind is going all over the place.

746
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.559
<v Speaker 2>This one I really am wasn't expecting.

747
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:02.320
<v Speaker 1>Why do I feel like as soon as these mics

748
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:04.639
<v Speaker 1>are turned off, the waterwork's going to turn on for you?

749
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:08.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they will. My eyes did water when

750
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:09.760
<v Speaker 2>you announced her name, because.

751
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:10.800
<v Speaker 1>They're watering right now.

752
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:11.440
<v Speaker 2>No, they're not.

753
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:12.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm fine, they're glistening.

754
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:18.320
<v Speaker 2>Fine, I'm fine. Everything's fine. This was a story that

755
00:39:18.360 --> 00:39:20.679
<v Speaker 2>I just really wasn't expecting for some reason. I don't

756
00:39:20.679 --> 00:39:23.039
<v Speaker 2>know why. I don't know why. Maybe I'm just emotional.

757
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's an emotional day.

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00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:28.519
<v Speaker 1>No, that's totally fair. All right, Well, thanks for listening, guys.

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<v Speaker 1>We appreciate you being here. If you guys want to

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00:39:40.360 --> 00:39:42.599
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764
00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:43.880
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<v Speaker 1>bit of extra support if you'd like. If not, we

766
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:49.119
<v Speaker 1>appreciate you just being here just the same. So thank

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00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:51.800
<v Speaker 1>you so much. We seriously appreciate you even listening.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this was a good welcome back episode here.

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<v Speaker 1>It was.

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00:39:55.639 --> 00:39:59.079
<v Speaker 2>It was a heavy one, but it had a good ending,

771
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<v Speaker 2>so I like it. Yeah. So well done, Thank you

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<v Speaker 2>and of course until next time. Until next time, stay wicked.