Speaker 1: Today we discuss a rare crime, one so heinous even
Speaker 1: death row inmates look down on you if you commit this,
Speaker 1: an act where you remove the life from another human
Speaker 1: being for your own gain, even though that life is
Speaker 1: neither yours nor theirs. In fact, it's a brand new
Speaker 1: life all on its own. This is the story of
Speaker 1: a rare crime called fetal abduction.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is the story of Tika Adams and
Speaker 1: her experience with what is known as fetal abduction.
Speaker 2: Oh boy, we're in for it.
Speaker 1: Yes, So warning up ahead of time. This can get
Speaker 1: graphic and a very squeamish, especially for potential mothers or
Speaker 1: something like that. So consider yourself warned right now. So
Speaker 1: it starts in Washington, DC in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1: A woman named Tika Adams described herself as a very
Speaker 1: rebellious individual. She created her own rules and didn't want
Speaker 1: to live by anyone else's. She was twenty nine years
Speaker 1: old and was living on the streets day with no
Speaker 1: way of knowing where her next meal would come from. Oh,
Speaker 1: she was homeless. She was heavy into drug use. She
Speaker 1: was in and out of prisons, and continued to wander
Speaker 1: alone through the city as her feet hit the concrete
Speaker 1: leading her to her next unlan location each day. It
Speaker 1: was a life no one should have to endure. A
Speaker 1: life of loneliness, pain, and often even shame and regret. However,
Speaker 1: after living this life for what seemed like an eternity,
Speaker 1: Tika decided that she needed to do something. She wasn't
Speaker 1: going to keep living this way and the only person
Speaker 1: who could change it was her.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I love that. This is okay right, yeah.
Speaker 1: So she's turning over that new leaf.
Speaker 2: Let's go.
Speaker 1: She decided she was going to leave the streets behind,
Speaker 1: and her first step to become the woman that she
Speaker 1: wanted to was checking herself into a shelter.
Speaker 2: Okay, good for her. Yea, that's not an easy choice
Speaker 2: or easing to do.
Speaker 1: No, definitely not taking life by the balls for the
Speaker 1: proverbial saying, or however you want to say it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a big step. Yeah, So good for her for
Speaker 1: making that call.
Speaker 2: To literally step back, see what situation you're in and
Speaker 2: then have the courage to change it. Is amazing. It's huge, huge.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So she did that. She went to a shelter
Speaker 1: in DC which was being run by the Community for
Speaker 1: Creative Non Violence, and there she began to stay in
Speaker 1: the woman's section of the shelter and she officially began
Speaker 1: turning over that new leaf. Now, as such as life.
Speaker 1: When you go searching for something, you will generally find it.
Speaker 1: Some call it karma, others call it fate. When you
Speaker 1: put out a good energy into the universe, you can
Speaker 1: really generally say that you'll find good energy come back
Speaker 1: your way. So when Tika checked herself in ready to
Speaker 1: leave her old life behind, her new life presented her
Speaker 1: in the form or with good energy, in the form
Speaker 1: of a man named PJJ. He was also checked in
Speaker 1: the shelter. He was in a very similar situation. He
Speaker 1: decided he had had enough of the life on the
Speaker 1: streets and it was time to turn his life around.
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm I was going to say they seem
Speaker 2: like a good match, but hopefully this guy isn't an asshole.
Speaker 1: No, he's a good guy.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's a good guy. Okay, because you never know
Speaker 2: sometimes where we going to like this person? Are we
Speaker 2: not going to like this person?
Speaker 1: This is a true crime podcast, so you know a
Speaker 1: true crime is going to occur, and we already discussed
Speaker 1: what kind of crime is.
Speaker 2: So well, well, I'm going to say he's the dad.
Speaker 1: Yes. The two instantly made a connection and their love
Speaker 1: for one another began to develop quickly. Now, while still
Speaker 1: in the shelter. The two would eventually get married wow,
Speaker 1: and Tika would soon be an expecting mother Right on yep.
Speaker 1: So everything in Tika's life was beginning to turn around.
Speaker 1: She was off the streets, she now had a family
Speaker 1: of her own, and her future was looking brighter.
Speaker 2: Every day, no kidding, it's like a three sixty.
Speaker 1: However, a very dark twist would come into her life.
Speaker 1: When she was seven months pregnant with a phone call.
Speaker 1: Tika began receiving phone calls, calls from a number that
Speaker 1: showed up on her caller ID as unknown. She brushed
Speaker 1: the calls off at first and ignored them, but they
Speaker 1: kept coming. So one day, while she was on her
Speaker 1: way to the grocery store with a friend, the phone
Speaker 1: rang again with that same unknown display. She decided she
Speaker 1: would see who it was and what they wanted, so
Speaker 1: she answered it. I know a lot of the times,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm really prone to answer those phone calls, even
Speaker 1: if it is a telemarketer. I like to just like
Speaker 1: hang up on them and stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm the worst. I won't answer them. I won't even
Speaker 2: answer the goddamn door if someone's there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the door's a little bit different. It is a
Speaker 1: physical location. It's like right there, you're confronted with them,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, so I can't blame you for that.
Speaker 2: This podcast has made me scared.
Speaker 1: Shilla, close your doors, your windows, watch your bathroom mirror.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say your medicine cabine's Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, Tika found on the other end of the phone
Speaker 1: was a friendly voice of a woman, and she introduced
Speaker 1: herself as Stephanie Mills. Now step began to tell Tica
Speaker 1: who she was and the reason she was calling. She
Speaker 1: told her that she works for a company that assists
Speaker 1: women who are homeless or underprivileged, potentially in a shelter program.
Speaker 1: Things like that individuals who like her are pregnant.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Now, the idea is that the company she works with
Speaker 1: helps women by providing such things such as baby clothing
Speaker 1: or other supplies that expecting mothers would need but can't
Speaker 1: quite supply for themselves. Understandably, many women in tika situation
Speaker 1: would have a difficult time purchasing many of these items
Speaker 1: that they need to raise a child, so the support
Speaker 1: would go a huge long way for her.
Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, you need so much shit.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, kids are not cheap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like so many things.
Speaker 1: Right. So the conversation continues and she tells Tica all
Speaker 1: about the items that they have in a warehouse, baby clothes,
Speaker 1: like you name it. Most of it's being donated or secondhand,
Speaker 1: but they have a lot that they can pass on
Speaker 1: and help her. So, needless to say, Tica was beyond excited.
Speaker 1: This would help her and PJ tremendously and they would
Speaker 1: be able to give their new baby a great start
Speaker 1: in life. PJ, however, seemed to be a little bit skeptical.
Speaker 2: Though I'm skeptical of the warehouse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he wasn't so sure of the situation. A feeling
Speaker 1: Teaka was not too fond of sharing. She reassured him
Speaker 1: that it was fine and it's the help that they
Speaker 1: just need.
Speaker 2: M Well, she was probably like thinking, this is just oh,
Speaker 2: they've answered my prayers kind of thing, like we need
Speaker 2: we need help, like I want to give this baby
Speaker 2: everything possible, right, and then this phone call just so
Speaker 2: she's it, this is like kind of a tricky spot,
Speaker 2: especially because most people think other people are good.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well definitely. So if you receive a phone
Speaker 1: call like because there are organizations like this hunter are
Speaker 1: so you receive this phone call to help your child.
Speaker 1: Of course you're going to take it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would. Generally, I feel like you have to
Speaker 2: kind of reach out to them more.
Speaker 1: So, potentially, I'm not too sure how it would work
Speaker 1: in a shelter situation because they might have names of
Speaker 1: individuals and send it out yeah for you, So I'm
Speaker 1: not too certain.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean giving I guess the situation that she
Speaker 2: was already and maybe they passed her information along, right,
Speaker 2: So where's your head going with this?
Speaker 1: So far? Though, I'm curious.
Speaker 2: I think this warehouse is shit and she needs to
Speaker 2: run for the hills.
Speaker 1: You think the warehouse is shit?
Speaker 2: You? No, just the warehouse? I was like, no, Like,
Speaker 2: just don't I in my brain, and she needs to
Speaker 2: go with someone. She's going to pick up shit. She
Speaker 2: needs to take someone with her, a buddy.
Speaker 1: Fair enough. Well, Tka and Stephanie continue to be in contact,
Speaker 1: discussing her needs and getting her set up to come
Speaker 1: pick up the items that she'd be needing. It was
Speaker 1: early December two thousand and nine when Tika Adams was
Speaker 1: nine months pregnant and the time finally came where she
Speaker 1: could be picking up her goods. Oh my gosh, Stephanie
Speaker 1: came and picked Tka up and they both headed out
Speaker 1: together to the wear house.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just have to say, so, the Stephanie chick
Speaker 2: is really she's forming a relationship with her.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: That's longer than just a phone call.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: So I mean that it makes it even worse because
Speaker 2: of course you'd think that this person is investing in you.
Speaker 1: Makes what worse?
Speaker 2: Well, what might be going down here because.
Speaker 1: You're making a lot of assumptions.
Speaker 2: I am okay, maybe I'll just shut up. So it's fine.
Speaker 2: Everything's fine, everything's great. This warehouse is just peachy, and
Speaker 2: there's full of baby clothes and stuff. Yeah. No, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I'm just like, Okay, she's literally investing in
Speaker 2: this person. For two months, they've been having conversations like
Speaker 2: she's really going next level here.
Speaker 1: Yep. Well, Tika was investing a lot like you're saying.
Speaker 1: She was filled with excitement. Her baby was almost here
Speaker 1: and she was finally being presented with the items to
Speaker 1: take care of it. During the drive the two talk,
Speaker 1: Tika spoke all about her life and how she was
Speaker 1: trying to become a better person. She described her time
Speaker 1: in the streets, her encounters with substance abuse, and her
Speaker 1: new baby in marriage, which meant the world to her,
Speaker 1: and Stephanie shared a bit of her life as well,
Speaker 1: talking about some of her family, like she had a
Speaker 1: teenage son and so forth, the worst teenage sons.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know the fact that she's Okay, maybe
Speaker 2: my brain's going to the wrong place. But she's in
Speaker 2: this vehicle with this person. They're sharing, they're liking each other. Like,
Speaker 2: why the fuck does she not have someone with her
Speaker 2: right now? Like, I'm sorry, but please just take buddies, well,
Speaker 2: buddy system.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she did not take a buddy and eventually the
Speaker 1: two Stephanie and Tica would arrive at the warehouse location. However,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a warehouse.
Speaker 2: What was it.
Speaker 1: It was Stephanie's apartment. Okay, it was odd, but Tika
Speaker 1: brushed it off and thought, Okay, something must have just
Speaker 1: changed in the details or something. She didn't really know
Speaker 1: what to think. Yeah, so she went inside the apartment with.
Speaker 2: Stephanie because that seems safer than a warehouse. But maybe not.
Speaker 1: Well, you'd think it would be safer, for sure, That'd
Speaker 1: be my assumption. Yeah, I'd probably be like, oh, thank god,
Speaker 1: it's an apartment, not a fucking sketchy warehouse. Now, the
Speaker 1: apartment was a large, pale brick building. They entered through
Speaker 1: a glass door entrance through a sliding door glass door
Speaker 1: story which was beside a front door, and led them
Speaker 1: into the living room. Now the room was rather empty,
Speaker 1: with a couch and some scattered boxes laying around, but
Speaker 1: Stephanie kept leading her through the room into an adjacent bedroom.
Speaker 1: Now the situation was odd. There were no donated baby
Speaker 1: clothes or anything of that nature in sight. In the bedroom,
Speaker 1: Stephanie let Tica sit on the bed and she put
Speaker 1: a movie on the TV that was located in the room.
Speaker 2: Okay, weird.
Speaker 1: She also fixed her lunch in the form of two sandwiches.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 1: So the two sat down and began to watch the movie,
Speaker 1: and by now Tica was feeling quite uncomfortable. She didn't
Speaker 1: want to be rude. She just assumed that Stephanie was
Speaker 1: maybe just like a really awkward or different individual, So
Speaker 1: she didn't want to press or anything like that. Right,
Speaker 1: But soon enough the time would come and they would
Speaker 1: go get the items that Stephanie would be talking about.
Speaker 1: That's what she was hoping for. She's like Okay, movie
Speaker 1: will end soon, and it's going to happen here soon.
Speaker 1: She just wants to chill for a bit.
Speaker 2: Who knows, Holy heck, she's very kind.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The fact that she's just like eating the sandwich and
Speaker 2: watching the movie, Yeah, that's okay.
Speaker 1: Well, they sat on the bed with the movie playing.
Speaker 1: Antika's phone rang. It was her husband, PJ m. He
Speaker 1: asked if she was finished up and needed him to
Speaker 1: come pick her up. There was one problem though, Tika
Speaker 1: didn't know where they were right. She told PJ what
Speaker 1: was going on. She kind of reassured him that she'd
Speaker 1: just be fine.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Meanwhile, he's just like, what the actual
Speaker 2: is going on?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So the movie would eventually end, and Stephanie got
Speaker 1: up and put another one on. Oh my gosh, And
Speaker 1: strangely enough, after that, she would get up to put
Speaker 1: another movie on.
Speaker 2: Holy shit. However, things would quickly take a.
Speaker 1: Severe turn at this point. At the third movie, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Tica had a blanket thrown over her
Speaker 1: head and a violent beating and assault began.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I okay, two movies in, like, yes, well,
Speaker 2: what is going on here? I'm so confused?
Speaker 1: She sat there with her for two movies in this
Speaker 1: stranger's bedroom, just being polite as far as I can tell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but why did this Stephanie chick need two movies?
Speaker 2: And like, how did she even find this woman? I'm
Speaker 2: just yeah, we'll carry on here, but I got questions.
Speaker 1: Well, these movies seem to be a bit of a
Speaker 1: theme and I'm not too sure why or what's with them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well we'll touch on it here shortly.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So, as the assault began, Stephanie was on top of Tika,
Speaker 1: punching and hit her repeatedly, but still the nine month
Speaker 1: pregnant Teka managed to get to her feet and put
Speaker 1: her hands and arms up to defend herself as she
Speaker 1: tried to run. She managed to make it to the
Speaker 1: nearby front door, but quickly realized the severity of her
Speaker 1: situation when she saw three locks holding her.
Speaker 2: Oh oh my gosh, I thought there was going to
Speaker 2: be more individuals there. No, hmm.
Speaker 1: Now. Tica by this time had a large cut across
Speaker 1: her head and had blood pouring into her face, but
Speaker 1: she still continued to fight. However, Stephanie was just too much,
Speaker 1: even more so when she got a hold of a
Speaker 1: fire poker and began to beat Tika with it over
Speaker 1: and over. Wow, she was beaten into unconsciousness. But it
Speaker 1: is estimated that she was struck with that fire poker
Speaker 1: approximately forty times.
Speaker 2: Holy, okay, that's that's incredible.
Speaker 1: That is brutal.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's incredible that, like she was putting
Speaker 2: up the fight of her life there, like she's trying
Speaker 2: to save herself and her baby. She's doing this all
Speaker 2: well nine months. Yeah, Like to withstand that much just
Speaker 2: shows how much strength she has.
Speaker 1: Oh, one hundred percent. I'm sitting here and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I got a poop and I can barely walk to
Speaker 1: the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I feel like I get hit once
Speaker 2: and be like done.
Speaker 1: Well, Tica's definitely different than us because she managed to
Speaker 1: just take a lot. Yeah, she did manage to regain
Speaker 1: consciousness as she was being dragged down a hallway.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Yeah, this is just gonna get worse and worse,
Speaker 2: isn't it from here on out?
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, she was being dragged down the hallway by
Speaker 1: her ankles towards the kitchen, but she was now bound
Speaker 1: and gagged, Okay, left helpless to her attacker. She was
Speaker 1: also still quite.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: She just went through a severe beating. She has a
Speaker 1: bell runk, so she's not quite with it right. Hell no,
Speaker 1: Next though, she remembers hearing rustling coming from the kitchen drawer,
Speaker 1: and then she sees stiff Stephanie kneeling at her side
Speaker 1: with a box cutter.
Speaker 2: Oh, this is just brutal. This is brutal.
Speaker 1: She remembers Stephanie telling her what she was going to do.
Speaker 1: She remembered her saying she was going to take her baby,
Speaker 1: then feeling a sharp pain in her side. Man, as
Speaker 1: Stephanie began to cut.
Speaker 2: It'd be more than just a sharp fucking pain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you try writing a podcast and describing that.
Speaker 2: Oh I know. Sorry, I'm not I'm not saying anything
Speaker 2: but bad about how you wrote it. But that would
Speaker 2: be for going excruciate it.
Speaker 1: She felt an excruciatingly sharp pain. How's that that's better?
Speaker 1: It's all gold. So as quickly as it began, though,
Speaker 1: it luckily stopped, and Tika could hear Stephanie's voice as
Speaker 1: she began to pray as she said, Lord, forgive me,
Speaker 1: I've sinned. Forgive me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a big ass sin.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is then she began to start cleaning up
Speaker 1: the large amounts of blood that had saturated the floor
Speaker 1: surrounding the two of them, And as she began cleaning,
Speaker 1: she also instructed Tica to stand up, but she was
Speaker 1: unable to due to her injuries and the restraints, so
Speaker 1: Stephanie helped her get back to the bedroom where she
Speaker 1: laid her down on the bed. There, she takes away
Speaker 1: Tika's cell phone immediately, and Tika starts telling Stephanie that
Speaker 1: she just won't tell anyone what happened if she just
Speaker 1: lets her go.
Speaker 2: Hey will was her baby still in her?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, so this Stephanie, she.
Speaker 1: Did not take it yet.
Speaker 2: She started cutting, but she didn't finish.
Speaker 1: She did not.
Speaker 2: Finish, and then she realized that she's a piece of shit.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm okay, gosh, this is crazy.
Speaker 1: So Tka was thinking back to the conversation the two
Speaker 1: had when they were in the car driving to the
Speaker 1: apartment or what she thought was the warehouse. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: she remembers Stephanie talking about her son. So she tried
Speaker 1: to use this to her advantage, saying that she wouldn't
Speaker 1: say anything because she doesn't believe in breaking up a family.
Speaker 1: She's trying to tug at those heart strings.
Speaker 2: She's smart, she.
Speaker 1: Is she's she's a badassy to say that.
Speaker 2: I just think this woman is incredible.
Speaker 1: Her words seemed to actually be making an impact on Stephanie.
Speaker 1: Stephanie began pacing around the apartment, struggling with what she
Speaker 1: was going to do next. This would go on into
Speaker 1: the night. In fact, it continued for the next three days.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: Tika was held captive, unsure of her and her baby's
Speaker 1: safety as her captor paced around the apartment, all while
Speaker 1: Stephanie had movies playing on repeat, over and over and
Speaker 1: over again.
Speaker 2: Well, and she's so injured too, Like, it's almost amazing
Speaker 2: that she could even have lasted those days without getting
Speaker 2: medical attention.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guarantee you she at least has a concussion,
Speaker 1: not alone her lacerations. Right.
Speaker 2: And Pej, right, that's his name, Pj. The husband must
Speaker 2: just be worried sick.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I guarantee you he was.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: So all this time, Tika refused to sleep in fear
Speaker 1: of what could happen to her if her eyes even
Speaker 1: closed for a moment. Gosh, now, possibly even if she
Speaker 1: wanted to her senses may not even allowed her to rest.
Speaker 1: The one and only good thing Stephanie did for Tika
Speaker 1: was she helped keep her fed and hydrated, most likely
Speaker 1: to ensure good health of the child.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: On the third night, Tica witnessed a very ominous sight
Speaker 1: as Stephanie entered the room carrying a large metal bowl
Speaker 1: full of ice and carried six towels, some rags, two
Speaker 1: box cutters, and a knife with her.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, too much shit. She's like just getting
Speaker 2: the courage to have done this and do it again.
Speaker 1: Yep, fear struck her, But she was helpless in the
Speaker 1: whole situation, and she had her head wrapped in duct
Speaker 1: tape so she couldn't scream and she wouldn't be able
Speaker 1: to see what was going on. Wow, okay, yep, Stephanie
Speaker 1: began to start cutting as Tica laid there helpless. She
Speaker 1: began cutting at her pelvic pelvic region, not knowing what
Speaker 1: she was doing at all because she is no surgeon,
Speaker 1: And after a few minutes of trying, she started physically
Speaker 1: poking and picking and at Tika's open cut of fingers.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, presumably because she wasn't getting the job done.
Speaker 1: With the knives because.
Speaker 2: She has no idea what the fuck she's doing.
Speaker 1: Zero fucking clue. All the while Tika is awake and feeling.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, okay, this is almost too much. Okay.
Speaker 1: In the background, Tika remembers hearing the movie Michael Jackson's
Speaker 1: This Is It playing, and Stephanie would stop and rewind
Speaker 1: the movie in certain parts to hear him sing and
Speaker 1: perform as she continued to do her grotesque procedure. Really, yes,
Speaker 1: a very odd fact in this case, okay. So, like
Speaker 1: I said, Tica was feeling all of this the whole time,
Speaker 1: and eventually she would pass out from the pain and
Speaker 1: blood loss. And when she woke up, she was in
Speaker 1: severe pain, and Stephanie was lying in front of the
Speaker 1: bedroom door, sleeping in the fetal position. It seemed that
Speaker 1: again she was not successful, and Tika still had her baby.
Speaker 2: Holy okay, I cannot even imagine the shape that this
Speaker 2: woman is in at this point.
Speaker 1: Yep. So now what happens next is insane. It's not
Speaker 1: too clear on how her restraints worked in the situation
Speaker 1: with the duct tape around her face, or how she
Speaker 1: was restrained, or if she got them removed. Somehow. But
Speaker 1: we do know is she managed to roll out of bed,
Speaker 1: and she prayed all the while while she was saying,
Speaker 1: please just give me the strength. Slowly she crept towards
Speaker 1: the door and stepped over Stephanie, trailing drops of blood
Speaker 1: across her as she slept.
Speaker 2: Oh, she was sleeping there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Stephanie was sleeping in the fetal position on the
Speaker 1: ground in front of the bedroom door. Antika stepped over her,
Speaker 1: bleeding on her while she's sleeping.
Speaker 2: Well in men's pain. I can imagine how that? Could
Speaker 2: you keep quiet while you were doing that, when you
Speaker 2: were in this much pain?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and miraculously Stephanie didn't wake up.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Step after step Tica kept pushing, kept going towards the door,
Speaker 1: slowly making her way down the hallway. As she's doing this,
Speaker 1: her stomach and internal organs began spilling out into her hands.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, I'm not surprised though.
Speaker 1: Amazingly, she makes it to the front door and unlocks
Speaker 1: all three of the locks one by one. So they're
Speaker 1: not like key locks. Their locks to keep people from
Speaker 1: outside getting in.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yep, which is good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So finally she managed to open the door to
Speaker 1: the apartment. She made her way outside into the hallway,
Speaker 1: where not too far she would pass out.
Speaker 2: Oh no, okay, please someone come. She woke up again
Speaker 2: to see Stephanie.
Speaker 1: Leaning over her.
Speaker 2: Oh shit, as.
Speaker 1: She began dragging her back to the apartment.
Speaker 2: You're fucking kidding me, as I'm pissed.
Speaker 1: Why don't you tell me how you really feel.
Speaker 2: I'm pissed because I was like, no, like she's going
Speaker 2: to make it out of there, like I really thought
Speaker 2: she was. This is this is horrible.
Speaker 1: Well, Tica was once again ready to put up a fight,
Speaker 1: and she began screaming bloody murder, which got the attention
Speaker 1: of a neighbor. Good, and he poked his head out
Speaker 1: into the hallway.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, Tika looked this guy right in the face and
Speaker 1: she screamed, please help me. She's trying to kill me,
Speaker 1: and she lifted her it's a navy blue colored shirt,
Speaker 1: so it wasn't showing the bloodstains, but she lifted her
Speaker 1: shirt to show her stomach to the man, and the
Speaker 1: man like probably went just ghost white seeing that, and
Speaker 1: he screamed immediately that he's calling the police, and Stephanie
Speaker 1: booked it.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, Thank goodness he fucking ran because I was like,
Speaker 2: now this guy's in danger, Like, what's how up and next? Here?
Speaker 2: Because this lady is literally something's I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't want to but she's crazy. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'm allowed to say that, but she's crazy.
Speaker 1: Something's not right there.
Speaker 2: That's something is really not right.
Speaker 1: But I don't know about you. I would not have
Speaker 1: made it as far as Tika has made it. No,
Speaker 1: I would have been dead long time ago.
Speaker 2: She's incredible.
Speaker 1: I am shocked, right, But I haven't given her the
Speaker 1: title you're thinking about just yet because there's a certain point.
Speaker 2: There's more.
Speaker 1: There's a certain point where I want to pin it
Speaker 1: on because it just makes it all so.
Speaker 2: Sweet because I'm like kind of been waiting. How is
Speaker 2: he not? How can you tell him? How is he?
Speaker 1: Just just wait for it, because there is one moment
Speaker 1: where it just it's it makes sense. So hold on
Speaker 1: to that thought.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So Tika was thankfully rushed into hospital and immediately went
Speaker 1: into emergency surgery. When she woke up, she had the
Speaker 1: sight of her husband PJ sitting next to her at
Speaker 1: her bedside.
Speaker 2: Oh and she just probably just melted like of happiness.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was safe, she was alive, she was filled
Speaker 1: with joy. But one question plagued her mind the moment
Speaker 1: she regained consciousness the baby. What happened to her baby?
Speaker 1: What do you think happened to the baby.
Speaker 2: Has to live? Like I'm sorry, but the mom can't
Speaker 2: be that badass and the baby not lives like this,
Speaker 2: like this needs to end. Well.
Speaker 1: Well, just as she was about to ask this question,
Speaker 1: a nurse walked into the room the baby and congratulated
Speaker 1: her on the birth of her healthy baby girl. O. Yes,
Speaker 1: Tica and PJ named their daughter Miracle for obvious reasons.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, dude, that makes me want to so hold.
Speaker 1: The look on your face when I said that, like.
Speaker 2: Instantly, my eyes are just wandering. That's the most amazing
Speaker 2: thing I've ever heard.
Speaker 1: Oh you're good.
Speaker 2: I'm good, but well I never expected that.
Speaker 1: So as for Stephanie, well, if you're not surprised to
Speaker 1: hear this, her name isn't actually Stephanie. Her name is
Speaker 1: Veronica Derrin Moose. She's forty one, and she definitely was
Speaker 1: not part of a company that helped less fortunate women.
Speaker 2: No, she's freaking horrific person. Yeah you think so? Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think so as well. Yeah, I can't. I can't
Speaker 2: stop thinking a little miracle. I'm really invested in this one.
Speaker 1: Well, surprisingly, Stephanie or Veronica, I'll be calling her now. Surprisingly,
Speaker 1: Veronica actually called the police on herself and turned herself in.
Speaker 2: Really yeah.
Speaker 1: Now. A trial was held in November of twenty ten,
Speaker 1: where on a plea bargain she pled guilty but initially
Speaker 1: claimed Tika had actually agreed to sell the baby for
Speaker 1: five grand. Oh wow, right, what? I want to call
Speaker 1: her all sorts of names just for that alone.
Speaker 2: But I really think something's gone really bad for her.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely, definitely.
Speaker 2: What's her name?
Speaker 1: Sorry, Veronica?
Speaker 2: Veronica? Like so, I think that she's probably suffering from
Speaker 2: something pretty serious. But that's a pretty five grand. That's
Speaker 2: like a real shit lie there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I can't. I can't imagine what someone would
Speaker 1: have had to have gone through to, let alone contemplate
Speaker 1: actually go through with the actions of Steele an other
Speaker 1: woman's child.
Speaker 2: She came up with this crazy plan and went through
Speaker 2: all the steps and and you can even tell through
Speaker 2: the story obviously that she struggled with what she was doing.
Speaker 2: Because it took her too taught well two times and
Speaker 2: she didn't even succeed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I like, what would put you in that position?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? What would say, Okay, I
Speaker 1: am traumatized to the point that I am going to
Speaker 1: cut open your stomach and take your child from you
Speaker 1: for my gain and think that's okay.
Speaker 2: And think that that's going to just end well.
Speaker 1: Or even if it does you do get away with it,
Speaker 1: How do you think you're going to live with yourself
Speaker 1: after that? Like, there's got like I can't imagine what
Speaker 1: someone would have to go through to justify that to themselves.
Speaker 1: So I do feel very bad for Veronica because I
Speaker 1: can only imagine what put her in that position. Yeah, however,
Speaker 1: she did do this act and it's like fuck you.
Speaker 2: You know, oh yeah, it was terrible. Yeah, And I'm
Speaker 2: just do you touch on how she ended up finding.
Speaker 1: Her like at this That just no, that's actually not
Speaker 1: something I have ran across.
Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, Oka's wild.
Speaker 1: It would have clearly have been through the shelter of
Speaker 1: some sort of way, But I'm not too certain how
Speaker 1: whether she was scoping it out or.
Speaker 2: What Yeah, yeah, or could even been like volunteering there
Speaker 2: or it just came across her or something. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm not too certain. That's not something I
Speaker 1: managed to find. So Veronica was found guilty of first
Speaker 1: degree assault and was sentenced to twenty five years in prison.
Speaker 2: Oh okay. I was wondering how long it would be
Speaker 2: because it's like murder assault, Like, I wasn't sure the
Speaker 2: difference in kind of time there.
Speaker 1: And I do think that this is something that hasn't
Speaker 1: seen a lot of like court time, like a fetal abduction.
Speaker 1: So I'm not too certain if there's like a standard
Speaker 1: on what the sentencing should be. So I would imagine
Speaker 1: that would have been a difficult call for the court
Speaker 1: process to do. Anyways, So on to the moment where
Speaker 1: I said that Tika has that moment to be given
Speaker 1: that title.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So Tika, at twenty nine years old, brought her daughter
Speaker 1: back into the courtroom to stand against her attacker, even
Speaker 1: though she was already proven guilty. She didn't need to
Speaker 1: stand up there, but she wanted to stand up there
Speaker 1: to show Veronica exactly who she was and that she
Speaker 1: didn't take her or her child. So Tika lives in
Speaker 1: an apartment with her family now in DC. They are
Speaker 1: no longer homeless and have turned their lives around, just
Speaker 1: as they said they would. And I want to quote
Speaker 1: something that Tika has said. She said this, I survived
Speaker 1: because I was coming to a point in my life
Speaker 1: where I started to love myself and respect myself and
Speaker 1: cherish life. I survived because of God and my support system.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people love me, and I
Speaker 1: know that my God loves me. And like they say,
Speaker 1: God looks after babies and fools, and I had a
Speaker 1: baby and I was a fool.
Speaker 2: Wow, hey, so do you.
Speaker 1: Want to do the honors and give her the title?
Speaker 2: Well, I know with like literally just chills this one.
Speaker 2: H Yeah, she is one and ten percent like the
Speaker 2: badass of the day. More so I think, yes, she's
Speaker 2: a title bigger than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah she is. She's well, she's our badass the day,
Speaker 1: through and through. Like there's I don't know how I
Speaker 1: could ever even hope to do something like she has done,
Speaker 1: Not that I would hope to go through that, but
Speaker 1: like to achieve that sort of like bad ass or
Speaker 1: you know what I.
Speaker 2: Mean, No kidding, because I'm just thinking the amount of
Speaker 2: blood that she would have lost and the fact that
Speaker 2: she could, that she still could regain consciousness is mind blowing.
Speaker 1: I do think the fact that it was over the
Speaker 1: course of a few days helped her in that situation.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because she had an initial assault where she probably
Speaker 1: would have lost quite a bit of blood, and then
Speaker 1: it was three days later where the second assault occurred. Right,
Speaker 1: So I'm thinking within those few days her body was
Speaker 1: able to help replenish the blood in her system.
Speaker 2: Okay, huh, I'm not too And because that chick I
Speaker 2: still can't remember her name. I'm for some reason can't
Speaker 2: remember either of her name for the life of me,
Speaker 2: which is fine. But she was, like you said, giving
Speaker 2: her food and stuff too, Yeah, because that would have helped,
Speaker 2: because if she had no nourishment in those days, then
Speaker 2: who knows how much she would have regained her strength
Speaker 2: and stuff.
Speaker 1: Right yep, Yeah, that's totally fair.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: So that is the tale of Tka Adams and her
Speaker 1: little baby Miracle.
Speaker 2: Oh I have never heard of this and that name. Okay,
Speaker 2: Miracle has literally like a badass mom. Oh that would
Speaker 2: I do? I couldn't even imagine what she would do
Speaker 2: to protect her like that's incredible. I mean, she already did. Gosh,
Speaker 2: she was protecting her at that time. Holy heck. Okay,
Speaker 2: so that my mind is going all over the place.
Speaker 2: This one I really am wasn't expecting.
Speaker 1: Why do I feel like as soon as these mics
Speaker 1: are turned off, the waterwork's going to turn on for you?
Speaker 2: I don't think they will. My eyes did water when
Speaker 2: you announced her name, because.
Speaker 1: They're watering right now.
Speaker 2: No, they're not.
Speaker 1: I'm fine, they're glistening.
Speaker 2: Fine, I'm fine. Everything's fine. This was a story that
Speaker 2: I just really wasn't expecting for some reason. I don't
Speaker 2: know why. I don't know why. Maybe I'm just emotional.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's an emotional day.
Speaker 1: No, that's totally fair. All right, Well, thanks for listening, guys.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a good welcome back episode here.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was a heavy one, but it had a good ending,
Speaker 2: so I like it. Yeah. So well done, Thank you
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