Speaker 1: It seems to be a big foot leaning against its
Speaker 1: free in a wooded area.
Speaker 2: I have seen plenty of people with big feet, but
Speaker 2: not bigfoot.
Speaker 3: Tree minds and brush.
Speaker 4: He sees about a seven and seven and a half
Speaker 4: foot tall sasquatch looking back at it, and that kind
Speaker 4: of looks like a wolf, but not like a neighborhood dog.
Speaker 4: Take these stores for what they are in hopes that
Speaker 4: may be like, if it's out there, then show me, Yeah,
Speaker 4: and says he might have caught the mythical cue of
Speaker 4: cabra creature terrorizing his chickens like a grunt and a knock.
Speaker 3: It's like a oh. I think there's kind of a
Speaker 3: cultural tendency for people to want to make Bigfoot a
Speaker 3: quote unquote monster.
Speaker 4: Welcome to ecbro O Bigfoot Radio. All right, guys, here
Speaker 4: we are on another episode of ecbr O Big for Radio.
Speaker 4: I'm your host, JAMIUMN waugh Tonight we're gonna have a
Speaker 4: round table discussion. I got two great friends of mine
Speaker 4: right here with us, and then just friends. These guys
Speaker 4: are a big quitting crypto researchers that have been long
Speaker 4: into this field, and uh, you know, we're gonna just
Speaker 4: talk big quick and everything in between. I'm looking forward
Speaker 4: to seeing what we get into tonight. Who knows what's
Speaker 4: gonna be said tonight. Yeah. If you guys don't know
Speaker 4: these guys, you gotta find out tonight. So now with
Speaker 4: that being said, let me welcome mister Bill Rigby and
Speaker 4: the Josh Stasko. How are you guys doing tonight?
Speaker 1: Oh we're just.
Speaker 4: Awesome, awesome, Well, guys, you know you guys both know that,
Speaker 4: you know, we we all deal with events every year.
Speaker 4: And yeah, here we are. We're new into the twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five year. And uh, you know, there's a couple
Speaker 4: of events I want to go over real quick. Just
Speaker 4: make mention for the listeners out there for them to
Speaker 4: marketer calendars and prepare themselves for these upcoming events. Uh.
Speaker 5: There's one event.
Speaker 4: It's a small, small town event right here in Virginia.
Speaker 4: Basically it's a Bigfoot town hall meeting gathering. It's more
Speaker 4: of a big foot in lunch gathering. February eighth in Lexington, Virginia.
Speaker 4: Yours truly to the ECBRO, I'm hosting a big Foot
Speaker 4: in lunch. It's going to be held at the restaurant
Speaker 4: diner cafe known as Legendary East, and some of my
Speaker 4: friends that live locals like, why'd you choose it there?
Speaker 5: I said, well, if you look at the logo of.
Speaker 4: Their sign, it's got a bigfoot iron and it's called
Speaker 4: Legendary East. And you look at their menu, it's all
Speaker 4: bigfoot encrypted theme items. So I mean it's the perfect place.
Speaker 4: I mean when I reached out to the restaurant owner,
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. I reached out to the restaurant
Speaker 4: owner when I first came up with this idea to
Speaker 4: have something there. They were excited about it. They were like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, because I wanted permission to advertise and promote
Speaker 4: their restaurant. Of course, yeah, promote your restaurant. They're all
Speaker 4: about it. So yeah, I've got several people that's been
Speaker 4: sharing my I put a flyer together for that. We
Speaker 4: just hope to gather some like minded individuals, perhaps some
Speaker 4: people with some experiences that might be willing to come
Speaker 4: out of the woodwork and share their stories with us.
Speaker 4: You know, we're just doing this for're a good times.
Speaker 4: It's a free event. The only thing that's gonna cost
Speaker 4: you is for you to buy off their menu and
Speaker 4: then sit and eat with us.
Speaker 5: So that's the only thing that.
Speaker 4: Will cost everybody. Again, it's a free event. You pay
Speaker 4: for what you'll order at the restaurant. Now, you know,
Speaker 4: just judging from the items on your menu, it sounds delicious.
Speaker 4: I've seen some of the pictures. I myself have never
Speaker 4: been there, and it's only about an hour south of you,
Speaker 4: so I can't believe I've never been there, but I'm
Speaker 4: gonna find out soon enough. So jumping ahead in the
Speaker 4: month of March. After February, we got March twenty ninth. Bill,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna let you talk about this one because this
Speaker 4: is your baby right here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's my baby. Oh baby, it is No. It's
Speaker 3: the third Penal High Paranormal Conference.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be at Tiffany Banquet Center in Brookfield, Ohio
Speaker 3: on March twenty ninth. It runs from ten to six.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have one hundred, one hundred plus venders. I'm
Speaker 3: still getting applications in Nice. We've got five speakers, got
Speaker 3: Amy Boo, Frettzaluga, Jim Sparks, Gwenland Purcell, uh Dale Rogers
Speaker 3: In Donnie from Haunted Hillview. I got Jamie and Jenny
Speaker 3: King as MC's now, those are the nicest people you
Speaker 3: can ever meet, right, Yeah, Jenny, They're they're awesome.
Speaker 4: They are sweet people for sure.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah, I got some special people coming and
Speaker 3: if the one shows up, it's gonna be awesome. It's
Speaker 3: gonna they said they will come, so you know, we'll see.
Speaker 3: But uh oh, i'll have people I'm freaking out. I'll
Speaker 3: guarantee you. That's another one that'll be freaking people out now.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so that that is in March twenty ninth,
Speaker 3: and it got bigger every year. The first two years
Speaker 3: we were Hickory VFW and hr HP, which is only
Speaker 3: six miles from where this event center is, and it
Speaker 3: is it's that much bigger that I had to move
Speaker 3: up there. And yeah, each year is grown. And like
Speaker 3: last year, the last Saturday fell on Easter weekend that
Speaker 3: oh okay, it grew, but the attendance was down like
Speaker 3: a hundred people, but it didn't yeah oh yeah, yeah
Speaker 3: so and we had full capacity on vendors.
Speaker 4: So the one thing I want to add in there
Speaker 4: real quick, it's funny that you mentioned that that you
Speaker 4: guys were down around like basically one hundred people in attendance.
Speaker 5: Last year at my event.
Speaker 4: We did have a much smaller attendance that year, and
Speaker 4: a big part of it, I can tell you why
Speaker 4: that happened. It's my negligence towards the promoting and the
Speaker 4: marketing of my own event here in Virginia, because as
Speaker 4: as you guys know, I was putting on the event
Speaker 4: up in Pennsylvania over in Somerset, which you know, I mean, John,
Speaker 4: correct me if I'm wrong. I mean I thought that
Speaker 4: was a very successful turnout there, you know, and lot
Speaker 4: of it, Yeah, a lot of my promoting went towards
Speaker 4: that it was the first time event being held there,
Speaker 4: and I got people want me to do it again,
Speaker 4: and just I just need a new location because the
Speaker 4: problem without event, even though we had a good turnout
Speaker 4: and a lot of people loved it, had fun. You know,
Speaker 4: we had the great vendors, the sales a lot of
Speaker 4: the vendors. That was the that was the all. The
Speaker 4: other issue is I ran into was the phone service,
Speaker 4: the phone signals and the connection for people to make
Speaker 4: their sales. You know, you know, they were limited. They
Speaker 4: had a uh you know fall back to cash sales,
Speaker 4: which became limited to a lot of people didn't carry cash.
Speaker 4: You know, and so you know that was an issue there.
Speaker 6: But the other too, Dan was just that, okay with
Speaker 6: attendance being down, is that just about every event except
Speaker 6: for a chosen few, were way.
Speaker 3: Off and I mean way off m the mark last year.
Speaker 1: Well, the other problem too with that event we were
Speaker 1: in Somerset was there was a couple of people, well
Speaker 1: more than a couple, it was. The bathroom situation was
Speaker 1: pretty bad. And uh, some of the vendors, the food
Speaker 1: vendors didn't show up, remember.
Speaker 4: That, right, Yeah, there were no shows. Yeah I don't
Speaker 4: get that.
Speaker 3: I know it either, and that happens a lot with
Speaker 3: food vendors.
Speaker 1: Well, the thing is, I think we only had one
Speaker 1: or two at the most. We had a wine vendor there,
Speaker 1: you know, alcohol vendor, but we had a one I
Speaker 1: think was one food vendor that I recall. But the
Speaker 1: people were complaining about the bathrooms and the accessibility to
Speaker 1: get there, and like Dan said, it was also the
Speaker 1: fact about the signals for their phones and things of
Speaker 1: this nature. But I mean, all in all, I think
Speaker 1: there was probably my guess, you know, I was up there.
Speaker 1: I got there a little late, but I got probably
Speaker 1: i'd say five six hundred people showed up there. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean because I had a hard time finding a
Speaker 1: place to park, but I did. But I think, yeah, long,
Speaker 1: it was a pretty successful event. And like Dan said,
Speaker 1: what we need to do is I mean, I like
Speaker 1: to do it again, Uh but they need a you
Speaker 1: need a better venue, you know, something works more easy
Speaker 1: to locate. And so and you know, there's some of
Speaker 1: these vendors that backed out or didn't even bother call you.
Speaker 1: I went asked, I went to have them back.
Speaker 5: You know, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: They at least they could at least called you. Okay,
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: going you.
Speaker 3: Know, like my event, I had forty vendors there, all right,
Speaker 3: two has backed out near the last minute, but it
Speaker 3: was justifiable. One ended up in the pneumonia, the other
Speaker 3: one out of death. So no problem, I don't care.
Speaker 3: I saw those two spots to other vendors that came
Speaker 3: and says, if you had extra room, I'd take another table.
Speaker 3: Well here take this one. You know. Sorry, it all
Speaker 3: worked out, but still there was a forty vendors and
Speaker 3: the pace was planned.
Speaker 1: So you know what I would suggest then and then
Speaker 1: and then Okay, I mean the vendors that we I
Speaker 1: understand the situation about your two vendors. But what I
Speaker 1: would suggest is if the same vendors want to come
Speaker 1: back up to backed out, make them pay. Well, no,
Speaker 1: let me let me finish. What I would do. What
Speaker 1: I would do is, you know, have them pay a
Speaker 1: bigger appearance fee before they get there. This way, they're
Speaker 1: out that money. Okay, one way or not about the moment, okay,
Speaker 1: but you know I have a put a penalty on
Speaker 1: it because they didn't show up last time. It doesn't
Speaker 1: take anything to make a phone call, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I called. I talked to people all around
Speaker 1: the world. Okay. If I could call uh South Korea
Speaker 1: or Russia or Ukraine, or friends of mine in Israel
Speaker 1: or Egypt, then they can certainly call up there in
Speaker 1: to Somerset and say, Dan, I can't make it for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. I'm sorry, you know, something came up. They
Speaker 1: could do that. I mean, it's calm fan. You know,
Speaker 1: that's all just common courtesy, you know.
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, you're fine. Yeah, but I will
Speaker 4: say this. The one food well, we had two food vendors,
Speaker 4: but one was actually food food.
Speaker 5: The other one was more.
Speaker 4: Like coffee and other drinks and stuff like that, and
Speaker 4: maybe a few small sweets in between. However, the one
Speaker 4: food truck that was there, and you know, and she
Speaker 4: was aware that we had others coming, but she learned
Speaker 4: that they didn't show up but within the first few hours,
Speaker 4: like going into the lunch hours. And so, I mean
Speaker 4: I looked up there, I was up there a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm sure.
Speaker 4: I'm sure you've seen it too. She kept the crowd
Speaker 4: and she and me and her have to talk. She
Speaker 4: took a step away because her husband and whoever else
Speaker 4: was working inside that truck. She said, I'm loving this.
Speaker 4: I'm making bank. I said, good, good, I said, you know,
Speaker 4: and the crowds loved it. They, I mean, the servant
Speaker 4: they weren't waiting long. That was a plus long. A
Speaker 4: lot of people when they go to order food, they
Speaker 4: don't want to have to wait a half hour forty
Speaker 4: five minutes to get their food.
Speaker 5: You know, they're getting it within ten.
Speaker 4: Fifty minutes, you know. So yeah, so she would do it. Good.
Speaker 1: Let me say something here, you know, I just I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you something, you know, I know, Bill and
Speaker 1: you and and I'm dedicated to what we do. And
Speaker 1: just to make an illustrate a point, I'm sitting out
Speaker 1: here right now in my car. It's twenty three degrees out. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 1: I keep I keep my word okay, And that's all
Speaker 1: we need to ask, I mean from people. Okay, just
Speaker 1: keep your word one way or another, like you know, communicate, communicate,
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Okay, seriously, exactly. And but anyhow, I'll get back to
Speaker 3: my event. Oh yeah, you get to I still have
Speaker 3: a few vendor spots left, and we've still taken on
Speaker 3: some more sponsors. If anyone likes to sponsor the Penalty
Speaker 3: of Paranormal conference, Uh, you can go to the Agents of
Speaker 3: the Unexplained dot net and there's go click on the
Speaker 3: store link and you there's a vendors forms there, the
Speaker 3: sponsors forms there, and the pre sale is supposed to
Speaker 3: be up. I don't know if one got them up
Speaker 3: for me yet or not. I sent her the stuff
Speaker 3: this morning, but she she might have Uh, pre sell tickets,
Speaker 3: pre sell event shirts, or you can bundle them and
Speaker 3: save some money. Uh. The link should be there, and
Speaker 3: that link goes through Creative Mind, who does my event shirts.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, Yeah, they do an excellent job, by the way.
Speaker 4: I've seen them what they've done in the past, and
Speaker 4: they are a very impressive.
Speaker 3: Yes so and never reasonable. So I like it. But
Speaker 3: I'm going to throw something else out there too, the
Speaker 3: new one.
Speaker 4: Dan all right, oh yeah, oh please, by all means yeah.
Speaker 3: We're planning May along with Dave Grant and Joe Fogel.
Speaker 3: They Grant got snartly yell.
Speaker 4: I love that man. He's at my event every year.
Speaker 3: Uh him, Joe Fogel Cryptiquetology. Uh, they all all three
Speaker 3: of us put events on different events. Well, uh, we're
Speaker 3: collaborating for up here and Charon fya. They just got
Speaker 3: this big, beautiful green space park all right, And I
Speaker 3: went to the city council here last month to talk
Speaker 3: to him about putting a vent on down there. What's
Speaker 3: going to cost us? He said, the green space ain't
Speaker 3: gonna cost us nothing, but if we've got to close
Speaker 3: off a street next to it, we're gonna need a
Speaker 3: permit and probably pay for two policemen at each other. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, that's fine, that's cool. You know, I'm getting
Speaker 3: some serious footage on the green space and it's right
Speaker 3: next to the river and they got it all fixed
Speaker 3: up nice. All right. So that's we're looking at June
Speaker 3: sixth of twenty six to do this because we're still
Speaker 3: in the planning stages, and it's going to be called
Speaker 3: Bigfoot on the River.
Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, we're exactly.
Speaker 4: I mean, for those who are not really familiar, this
Speaker 4: is gonna be Pennsylvania or.
Speaker 3: Sharon, Pennsylvania, right downtown, right in the center town. Yeah.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have speakers, We're gonna have vendors, we're gonna
Speaker 3: have bands, we're gonna have several food trucks. Actually I
Speaker 3: already had three committed already and this is a woe. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're all about promoting things downtown.
Speaker 1: And yes, listen, you said this is gonna happen in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, if you don't mind put me down as a speaker.
Speaker 3: I've discussed it with the other two. John, I'm not
Speaker 3: making the decision.
Speaker 1: Now, you know. I'm available. Yeah, as long as I'm alive,
Speaker 1: as long as I'm still alive and a wife doesn't kill.
Speaker 4: Me, John, John, they agree to let you speak, they
Speaker 4: might have to charge you to speak.
Speaker 1: Charge just.
Speaker 3: H We'll charge them by the word.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I'll be broke. I'll be she's I
Speaker 1: had to rob a bank.
Speaker 4: Oh man, then you got to be all you got
Speaker 4: to be able to retire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah. So we're playing to go big and
Speaker 3: this is a free event to the public, including the speakers,
Speaker 3: including the band. Okay, and they can come in and
Speaker 3: shop the vendors. It's free for them to come in.
Speaker 1: Have you considered Have you considered having a hog ROAs
Speaker 1: stuff there? For real? I went to a hog roast
Speaker 1: and it was some kids got killed years ago by
Speaker 1: by on a motorcycle where I lived, and this motorcycle
Speaker 1: gang they actually put together a hog roast and he
Speaker 1: had flat bed bands and everything else. They've been because
Speaker 1: the family of the kids that got killed, they didn't
Speaker 1: have insurance. He was twenty one years old and they
Speaker 1: probably made twelve, twelve or thirteen thousand dollars just from
Speaker 1: the hog row Stay.
Speaker 3: I'm not gone put a whole gross together on a
Speaker 3: green space. I don't think they appreciate burning their grass.
Speaker 3: That's a good idea, John, but I don't think it
Speaker 3: would work with the city. They'll get all upset.
Speaker 1: Well, the only thing I can think you could do better.
Speaker 1: Bill is probably get a get a one of those poles,
Speaker 1: and you could do a pole dance and charge a
Speaker 1: mission for that so they don't have to see you.
Speaker 3: Is this a PG show? Ard R rated?
Speaker 4: I don't you know how to answer that one. It's
Speaker 4: just go with the flow.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't say that, but John's starting to agitate. I
Speaker 3: can get vicious.
Speaker 4: I know, just goes on Spotify, iHeartRadio and so many
Speaker 4: other platform so it gets heard around the world eventually.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're looking forward to this, but like I said,
Speaker 3: it's all in the planning stage. We already got one
Speaker 3: band lined up. Uh. And because David talks to the
Speaker 3: guide and guy goes, I'm down port. Okay, that sounds good.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we're excited about that. I'm getting all pumped up.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I would imagine it sounds very exciting for real.
Speaker 3: And Joe, he's saying, we've got plenty of time. Bill,
Speaker 3: We've got plenty of times down right, I know. But
Speaker 3: I want answers now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to ask you guys something too, if
Speaker 1: you don't mind, I mean, just a little bit off
Speaker 1: the subject sort of. But uh, next summer. This coming summer,
Speaker 1: I was trying to get together some people to go
Speaker 1: to Saltport for about a two to three day investigation. Okay,
Speaker 1: and I love. The first people came to mind, of course,
Speaker 1: was you, Dan Bill, and Ron Howells and some others
Speaker 1: that I we know that we're very familiar with and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I mean, because that seems to be a pretty
Speaker 1: hotbed of activity up there, and i've been I've been
Speaker 1: getting some reports later there's been more sightings going on here,
Speaker 1: including of all things I hate to say this word
Speaker 1: dog man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they're up there. Let me tell you something, John,
Speaker 3: I've been watching other people talking. There's some eight groups
Speaker 3: going in there.
Speaker 4: Now, Yeah, that's that's true. I noticed that myself.
Speaker 3: They're really stepping on Doug Waller's toes because Doug was
Speaker 3: the first big book group doing camp outs there.
Speaker 1: And well, I'm not talking a lot of people I'm talking.
Speaker 3: I understand that, but we're gonna be running into other
Speaker 3: ones that are.
Speaker 4: There, right.
Speaker 3: That's my my feelings on this right now, because that's
Speaker 3: why I haven't even called about it, because I've been
Speaker 3: I've been seeing all this crap. I'm like, this is nuts.
Speaker 3: This is just totally nuts.
Speaker 1: Well, they're probably driving any big foot around that area
Speaker 1: out of the area. If that's that many people going there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're supposed to start feeling some logging and fracking
Speaker 3: back in there and that'll.
Speaker 1: Be the end of that. Then yeah, that'll be into that.
Speaker 1: So I mean, but you know, I like to get
Speaker 1: us together to do a real investigation of me because
Speaker 1: let me just say this, and I know, look, I
Speaker 1: don't mean to interrupt what you're saying about your events
Speaker 1: coming up. I've been I've been here. You know, I've
Speaker 1: been thinking a lot about wanting to get out there
Speaker 1: and do a real life, real in depth and investigation.
Speaker 1: And look, I'm gonna I'm going to put it out
Speaker 1: there for everybody to hear. For the most part, I
Speaker 1: believe most of the Bigfoot cryptid group paranormal groups are
Speaker 1: not very good trained people. Okay, and that's just my opinion.
Speaker 1: I've met some really good ones too, but by and large,
Speaker 1: what I've seen is more people interested in getting the
Speaker 1: entertainment thrill going out there and making enough noise to
Speaker 1: wake the dead. You know, you've seen it too, You've
Speaker 1: seen on the TV shows and stuff. It's the same thing.
Speaker 1: It's gone from being a serious subject for us to
Speaker 1: being almost laughable. And everybody's looking at is entertainment.
Speaker 4: I'm not in this for entertainment, right, And that's that's
Speaker 4: the thing that's and I point that out without trying
Speaker 4: to be uh, trying to think of the right word
Speaker 4: to put it out there. But you know, hey, we
Speaker 4: all have friends that are you know, there's we meet
Speaker 4: these TV personalities and these other what becomes celebrities. You know,
Speaker 4: they're good before even before they kind of shows. Yes,
Speaker 4: they were good friends that a lot of people. I
Speaker 4: mean some of these people I have yet to meet.
Speaker 4: I never met some of them. But at the same time,
Speaker 4: you know, some of these shows, yes, unfortunately, I mean
Speaker 4: they won't tell you behind the scenes, they won't tell
Speaker 4: you during the show. But yes, it is entertainment and
Speaker 4: that's what it has become. But I mean they're they're
Speaker 4: not obligated to you know, maybe they have contracts or stuff.
Speaker 4: There's only so much they can tell you in person
Speaker 4: as well, but they're not going to tell you. But
Speaker 4: it's all part of the entertainment industry. And there is
Speaker 4: starting a script theyve got to follow.
Speaker 3: I tell it everybody too. When you it's a TV regular,
Speaker 3: weekly TV show or once a month whatever, follow the money.
Speaker 3: The producer ain't making money the show way and on.
Speaker 3: So they're not going to show you a damn thing
Speaker 3: that any proof. They're going absolutely possible. So you know,
Speaker 3: I don't go with the TV shows like with this podcast.
Speaker 3: I deal with straight out honest researchers.
Speaker 4: Right right.
Speaker 1: But I suggested a long time ago and other groups.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm an administrator in a lot of groups
Speaker 1: as well. I suggested, and it's been falling for the
Speaker 1: most part on deaf ears about having training podcasts and
Speaker 1: things of this nature. So, look, anybody can misidentify something.
Speaker 1: You know that Dan, you know that Bill? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: they can misidentify a bear. They can say something's bigger
Speaker 1: than Actually it's because they get spooked when in the woods.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you're going out in the woods
Speaker 1: to do this kind of stuff, and I watched these
Speaker 1: shows just like you have, and I just shake my head.
Speaker 1: You know, they go out there and they make enough
Speaker 1: noise to wake the dead. They do it most of
Speaker 1: the time. They're doing daylight excursions into the woods. But
Speaker 1: they're making so much noise. There's a bunch I'm going together. Okay,
Speaker 1: the whole trick. If you want to see something, you
Speaker 1: got to be quiet. You're dealing with something that's got
Speaker 1: super senses hearing, sites, smell, sound okay, and much more
Speaker 1: powerful than we are. You got to find a place
Speaker 1: going on a game trail or a right away, you know,
Speaker 1: power line right away. You got to be quiet because
Speaker 1: these things can hear. How do you think they've evaded
Speaker 1: us for so long.
Speaker 3: You don't have to go deep in the woods either.
Speaker 1: No, you don't. But the thing is, you don't take
Speaker 1: You don't take twenty or thirty people and just to
Speaker 1: trading through the wood. I mean you might not even
Speaker 1: see a deer if you do that for real.
Speaker 4: Oh, you guys will love our research area that we're
Speaker 4: covering right now. The deer put on a show every
Speaker 4: night in the field that's right across from our camp. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's pretty cool. They're everywhere right there. So you know,
Speaker 4: if the deer there, you know, good damn chances that
Speaker 4: they're in the big pot or other predators not too
Speaker 4: far off.
Speaker 1: They walk down, they walk down the streets in Washington, PA.
Speaker 1: You got them in a cemetery. You got them in
Speaker 1: the park up here. We our next door neighbor had
Speaker 1: you know, female deer deliver a baby on her porch.
Speaker 1: I want Okay, my great grandkids used to go across
Speaker 1: the street, like ten feet away from our door and
Speaker 1: feed the deer. They come down big bucks, like ten
Speaker 1: twelve point bucks, and their their dos and their fawns
Speaker 1: right across the street. And there's a I mean, we
Speaker 1: live in town. The only thing I haven't seen him
Speaker 1: do is hitchhike.
Speaker 3: I have one that on an icy road in front
Speaker 3: of me. Did you yeah? Across me? Twenty eight dollars
Speaker 3: on my cheap compass.
Speaker 4: Wow, Bill, I got. I'm just curious because you know,
Speaker 4: I'm working on getting John down here in May. Because
Speaker 4: May that's another one of the events I got going on.
Speaker 4: It's a camp out. It's it's for a week long
Speaker 4: camp out. It's May eighteenth through the twenty four. Now,
Speaker 4: we camped in this particular location back in October with
Speaker 4: you know, some of my team members, and you know,
Speaker 4: we did some hiking and exploring. We found some interesting things.
Speaker 4: We heard a few interesting things.
Speaker 5: Now, on the most part, none of them, none of.
Speaker 4: Us witnessed anything out of the ordinary or we heard
Speaker 4: some weird things right near in by camp. However, there
Speaker 4: was a couple that came down from Pennsylvania. Uh.
Speaker 5: They lived over towards where Gwendolyn lives.
Speaker 4: And it was a husband and wife that keep in mind,
Speaker 4: I mind you now, if you watched the video I
Speaker 4: put out back during of our camp out, I saved
Speaker 4: it to the very ended. We learned about this a
Speaker 4: little bit like after a couple of us had left.
Speaker 4: My friends David and his wife Melissa, they were the
Speaker 4: last ones.
Speaker 5: Well between the other couple they were. They were just
Speaker 5: closing down and.
Speaker 4: Getting ready to pack up and leave until the other
Speaker 4: couple came out and told them what they had seen
Speaker 4: when they were down by the gate that goes to
Speaker 4: the lake that's out in the middle of the woods. Well,
Speaker 4: long story short, the wife thought she saw a bear.
Speaker 4: You know, keep in mind she also does not have
Speaker 4: any understanding or recrelation of what wildlife and how wy
Speaker 4: life works and what wildlife how they move.
Speaker 5: Well, she thought she.
Speaker 4: Saw a bear, keep in mind, a bear on two legs.
Speaker 4: She didn't know bears don't run real fast on two legs.
Speaker 4: So long story short after she explained exactly what she saw.
Speaker 4: I was like, that was a no bear what she
Speaker 4: saw while her husband was pulling into this area by
Speaker 4: the gate. She was looking over her shoulder and saw
Speaker 4: what stood there on two feet and jumped across and
Speaker 4: ran across into the woods across the trail by the gate.
Speaker 4: Now that's her story, and if you watch the end
Speaker 4: of the veto, she explains it in pretty good details,
Speaker 4: you know. So, you know, apart from that, now there's
Speaker 4: been I've already gathered other information.
Speaker 5: No other bigfoot.
Speaker 4: Researchers go into this particular location, but I've heard first
Speaker 4: in reports from hunters, now not just any hunters, bear
Speaker 4: hunters who have seen have seen them peeking behind a
Speaker 4: tree at them, you know. And then there's been other
Speaker 4: reports of this particular location of you know, like in
Speaker 4: my main research area, which is about twenty five thirty
Speaker 4: miles away, which is you know, it's only just a
Speaker 4: few miles from West Virginia. However, I've had a group
Speaker 4: of young guys in a pickup truck some years ago
Speaker 4: they saw my vehicle.
Speaker 5: I was actually parked.
Speaker 4: At the bathhouse that that's at the entrance that leads
Speaker 4: to the lake in my main area. These guys they
Speaker 4: saw them the details on my blazers, and they just
Speaker 4: had to stop and they saw again, they saw the
Speaker 4: bigfoot details on my blazer that I had, and they
Speaker 4: started talking to me. And then next thing, you know,
Speaker 4: it's like they had to show me. They pulled out
Speaker 4: their phone. Now keep in mind they're just pulling out
Speaker 4: images that they already had on the phone. So there's
Speaker 4: no phone service there, so they had no way to
Speaker 4: pull this up if it was fake, you know, like
Speaker 4: on the internet.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 4: So they were showing me these images of a trackway
Speaker 4: and probably about maybe two or three inches of.
Speaker 5: Snow along a roadway. Not I mind you I've seen these.
Speaker 4: These are massive, very clear, large, probably eighteen to twenty
Speaker 4: inch tracks in the snow along a roadway.
Speaker 5: And I'm thinking they're showing me like I thought it
Speaker 5: was from somewhere.
Speaker 4: Right in my main research here. So I asked them,
Speaker 4: I said, where was this located? When they mentioned their
Speaker 4: name my job, I was dropped because I did I
Speaker 4: had just recently learned back when they showed me this,
Speaker 4: I had just recently learned of this area from a coworker,
Speaker 4: and that told me about the area, about some where
Speaker 4: stuff that's going on about there, and there's a lot
Speaker 4: of mountain line of sightings that are very famous for
Speaker 4: that area. But I had just learned of this area,
Speaker 4: and then they showed me these. I was when they
Speaker 4: told me the name of the area, which me and
Speaker 4: my team we decided not to make this public.
Speaker 5: The only ones that come out there are those that.
Speaker 4: We give the quarterns to to come out there and
Speaker 4: join our camps because again, this is in Virginia. But
Speaker 4: this other location, it's north from where we mainly camp. However,
Speaker 4: it's also almost not far from the West Virginia line,
Speaker 4: but it's still in Virginia. And again this was like
Speaker 4: really exciting to me. I was like, this is awesome.
Speaker 4: I mean, they were supposed to send those images to me.
Speaker 4: I gave them the information I wanted to send them
Speaker 4: my email. I never did get a copy of those.
Speaker 3: Images, but I've done when they said they're going to
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 4: Exactly I know. Now. I've done some Google research on
Speaker 4: bigfoot like tracks in this no to kind of find
Speaker 4: something that I I found some interesting things online, but
Speaker 4: nothing that would resemble exactly what I saw. What they
Speaker 4: showed me.
Speaker 5: But what they showed me was very impressive.
Speaker 4: And the thing is it was on one of the
Speaker 4: back roads just outside of.
Speaker 5: That our main area out there.
Speaker 4: It's like it goes around on the backside of it
Speaker 4: because there's a lot of back country roads. Because this
Speaker 4: area here, I'm telling you, this is redneck territory out here,
Speaker 4: and it's not but wood. So if I mean, these
Speaker 4: are people this area for those who've been out there
Speaker 4: and lived there, all hold their lives out there. This
Speaker 4: is basically yeah, you better you might hear bangels out there.
Speaker 4: I will tell you that. Yeah, these are areas country
Speaker 4: folks that I live in the mountains.
Speaker 3: Nobody not me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, these are real country folks that live in these areas.
Speaker 4: And you know, not many people talk out there. So
Speaker 4: you know for these young boys. He's a young guy
Speaker 4: that showed me this, you know, the young guys, young
Speaker 4: young bear hunter guys that showed me this picture on
Speaker 4: your smartphone, you know, several years ago. So yeah, I've
Speaker 4: been researching this area.
Speaker 3: I got some friends up in Chestnut, rich where I
Speaker 3: used to live.
Speaker 4: Oh that's a hospital of course too.
Speaker 3: Yes, And when they found out I'm really in the
Speaker 3: start they are going nuts. And the one one I
Speaker 3: knew him since he was a young kid and he's
Speaker 3: in his thirties now he's a father of two beautiful
Speaker 3: boys and that. And when I spoke in dairy Pa,
Speaker 3: I say that his place overnight the one night and
Speaker 3: and him sat there three in the morning talking about
Speaker 3: things he saw since I've moved out of that area,
Speaker 3: and witnesses and that of stuff. And then the next
Speaker 3: day there and Darry I had did for once I
Speaker 3: recognized from that well I was living at come up
Speaker 3: and the one come up. I go, I know you
Speaker 3: you do? Yeah, you live up on Graveyard Hill. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I told him. He said, oh my god, I
Speaker 3: don't recognize. I said, yeah, now I got a beard
Speaker 3: and I'm great. He started laughing, and so made him
Speaker 3: start talking. He had one in his backyard. He said,
Speaker 3: I was afraid to move the run in the house
Speaker 3: and gets camera. I said, then you have a phone.
Speaker 3: It was in the house too. He describes it and all, so, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: they're out there, Yeah they aren't out there.
Speaker 1: Well, I mentioned it to Dan when I was talking
Speaker 1: to him the other day when we did the interview
Speaker 1: about a month and a half two months ago, I
Speaker 1: was with my great grandson Eli. I took him up
Speaker 1: to Washington Park now Washington Park. You know, it's a
Speaker 1: fairly urban area all around here, but there's a lot
Speaker 1: of wood and stuff. And I go up here with
Speaker 1: him to take him with his bike. He's seven years old.
Speaker 1: I had to teach him how to ride his bike. Okay,
Speaker 1: So I'm at the very top of this hill and
Speaker 1: there's woods all around. At the distance you can see
Speaker 1: in her state seventy.
Speaker 3: But wait, wait a minute, John, He said he was
Speaker 3: on top of a hill. What do you do? Push
Speaker 3: that kid down the hill?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about it. There's a
Speaker 1: big there's like a big round circle, it's about five
Speaker 1: hundred feet in diameter, and he's riding around. I'm sitting
Speaker 1: on a bench watching him. And he comes around the
Speaker 1: last time he says, look at that, pap app And
Speaker 1: I looked over about fifty yards away, and it looked
Speaker 1: like somebody's sitting behind a tree on all you know,
Speaker 1: sitting under butt. There was black. My first thought was
Speaker 1: it's a person. Throughout that time, my wife calls me
Speaker 1: to ask me how Eli's doing on a bike, and
Speaker 1: I says, well, he's doing pretty good, but we just
Speaker 1: he just pointed out it's something he saw. So I'm
Speaker 1: looking at it, and this thing was wide. It kept
Speaker 1: looking from the side of the tree like this and
Speaker 1: back again. So I'm thinking, well, it's either a bear
Speaker 1: or a big person because it's wider than the tree. Okay,
Speaker 1: and the tree is really not hiding the probably the
Speaker 1: tree is about ten inch or twelve inches diameter, so
Speaker 1: it's looking at either side and it's watching Eli and me.
Speaker 1: So my wife says, John, go to the car and
Speaker 1: get your binocas. Now my car is about one hundred
Speaker 1: feet away. So by the time I started to get up,
Speaker 1: and I started to walk toward my car looking backwards,
Speaker 1: and this thing stood up. I'm not ken you Bill.
Speaker 1: It was I'm bout i'd say about eight feet tall.
Speaker 1: It stood up, was black, and it walked really quickly
Speaker 1: into the woods. Now at that point I would have
Speaker 1: went over, but I had Eli with me. He's seven
Speaker 1: years old, so I took him to the car and
Speaker 1: I was going to go back the next day, but
Speaker 1: I was telling Dan it rained the next day. But
Speaker 1: what I did do there was a branch overhanging where
Speaker 1: it stood up. The branch is about seven and a
Speaker 1: half feet tall. Its head was just above that branch. Now,
Speaker 1: I know bear. I've hunted bear too. I've killed bear
Speaker 1: in my life and beer and everything else. But this
Speaker 1: thing was black. Was watching Eli going around in the
Speaker 1: circle on his bicycle, okay, and watching us. Had Eli
Speaker 1: not been with me, I went right over, But like
Speaker 1: I said, I didn't want to put him in danger.
Speaker 1: My wife says, get him out of there, So that's
Speaker 1: what I did. But this is in Washington, PA. Now
Speaker 1: we've got a lot of sayings. Dan, you know where.
Speaker 1: You've seen the area. Bill, you know the area pretty
Speaker 1: well as well. We got a lot of woods around
Speaker 1: here and things of this nature. Mingo Park's not far
Speaker 1: from here where we had our UFO sidings down here,
Speaker 1: remember last year. But so the thing is that, you know,
Speaker 1: But what I'm getting at, I guess is this a
Speaker 1: fairly urban area. Now this isn't also far from mc murray, PA,
Speaker 1: where I actually had my first duel bigwood siding with
Speaker 1: twelve other people Donald McMurray Road, which is twelve miles
Speaker 1: from Pittsburgh. For crying out loud, Now that whole area
Speaker 1: has been developed. They got condos and cookie cutter houses
Speaker 1: and stuff, So there's no Bigfoot there. They've driven them out.
Speaker 1: But what I'm getting at, yeah, you Bill, you had
Speaker 1: mentioned to me about us a little bit earlier about
Speaker 1: how people are going in scaring. There's too many people
Speaker 1: in the woods and stuff like that. Well, here's a problem,
Speaker 1: not just with Bigfoot, but when they have human habitation
Speaker 1: moving end mass, they're driving the wildlife out. Therefore, they're
Speaker 1: driving the food source away from Bigfoot. He has to
Speaker 1: move further away to get his food and something that
Speaker 1: big needs a lot of sustenance to live. Okay, because
Speaker 1: I mean it's a massive creature. I mean it's heavy.
Speaker 3: I've been doing some study on that part yet. But
Speaker 3: they don't need super massive stuff. They eat as they go.
Speaker 1: Right, I know that. But I'm getting at you need
Speaker 1: from your metabolism. You need so much calories to maintain
Speaker 1: your metabolism in your weight. Okay, So they hunt deer.
Speaker 1: We know they eat deer. But here's the strange part
Speaker 1: I wanted to bring up. And I talked to you
Speaker 1: guys both before about this. You know, the Eastern Bigfoot
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be very aggressive or violent. Except for
Speaker 1: a few instances. But we got a lot of cattle
Speaker 1: around here too, a lot of cattle farms and sheep
Speaker 1: as well. No sheep or deer to my knowledge in
Speaker 1: this area, whatsoever has ever been harmed by a bigfoot
Speaker 1: or taken. Okay, deer is the number one food source.
Speaker 1: It's got. I've seen a bigfoot like you have built.
Speaker 1: They got a canines, big canines and molars, which means
Speaker 1: they meat and vegetable. That's how they survive. Okay. All
Speaker 1: you got to do is follow the berry bushes and
Speaker 1: the deer, and you're probably gonna run into a big
Speaker 1: foot at some point if you're quiet enough. Okay, But
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at again is that I guess what
Speaker 1: I'm trying to say is that this is part of
Speaker 1: the investigative techniques I've been trying to get across to
Speaker 1: people who want to get into this field, to do
Speaker 1: it the proper way, to look for certain things. You know, Bill,
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, you do too, Dan, You know
Speaker 1: you got you just can't. I've had so many people
Speaker 1: come up to me recently because I've been all over
Speaker 1: the place too. I was up about two months ago
Speaker 1: up to a Mingo or not Mingo, Ohio Powell, and
Speaker 1: we were I was a guy. There's a guy up here,
Speaker 1: he does a video recording. He saw a big ufo
Speaker 1: photographed and we were talking. Anyhow, I think I send
Speaker 1: that to you, Dan, But uh, the thing is that
Speaker 1: I talked to one of the forest rangers there. They've
Speaker 1: had three sightings up there by Ohio Powell, three just
Speaker 1: recently recently.
Speaker 4: Wlain while they have, you know, because I've been there.
Speaker 4: I was taken there to Ohio Pile one time back
Speaker 4: back when I was with Jessica. But we went into
Speaker 4: the store. One of the stores there, they actually had
Speaker 4: bigfoot souvenirs there. They had bigfoot mugs, they had bigfoot
Speaker 4: camping chairs. Yeah, I mean so I always when I
Speaker 4: see stuff like that in a store, I was like, Okay,
Speaker 4: maybe there's something out here, maybe there's reports or stories
Speaker 4: or legends out this way. But we were all, yeah,
Speaker 4: we were taken out there by an older couple that
Speaker 4: actually the one lady it was hurt and her boyfriend
Speaker 4: all if we're still together. I haven't spoke to her
Speaker 4: in a while, but she actually when we went to
Speaker 4: the Moral Fire Department event held by the kind of
Speaker 4: bigfoot group. While the couple came in at the last
Speaker 4: minute and started talking to me and Jessica and was
Speaker 4: telling about stuff they seen on their property and this
Speaker 4: and that. Next you know, we're meeting up with them
Speaker 4: the next day. They're taking us out showing us. We
Speaker 4: got taken out the Ohio Pile. We stopped there to
Speaker 4: see the waterfall and you know, we had something to
Speaker 4: eat while we were there, checked out the souvenir shops,
Speaker 4: which was awesome, and then we went to the actual property,
Speaker 4: which was a little bit beyond there, and she took
Speaker 4: us to her property and she actually walked us and
Speaker 4: talked us through what she had witnessed out there, which
Speaker 4: was quite It sounded pretty incredible to me. She did
Speaker 4: see something. I got to give her that because.
Speaker 2: You knew Doug Lockhart is right, oh yeah, yeah, okay, okay, Well,
Speaker 2: we wanted to do a camp out this well back
Speaker 2: in May, and he had to back out for the
Speaker 2: last minute, the last minute out there on Chestnut Ridge.
Speaker 1: That's all part of the Chestnut Ridge, Okay, but it's
Speaker 1: around that area Ohio Pound stuff and I went up
Speaker 1: and scouted out the area and stuff and uh, they've had.
Speaker 1: He's actually had sightings up there himself, as has other
Speaker 1: men in his group. I'm also in that group, but
Speaker 1: U and they want me to do it again this summer,
Speaker 1: come up with him and have a big camp out.
Speaker 1: But there's been a lot of fightings because I remember
Speaker 1: how you know you've been there, both, you guys.
Speaker 3: Well, Chestnut Ridge, if you look at from the Google
Speaker 3: eye looking down, it doesn't look that big, but it
Speaker 3: is huge.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, absolutely, I've done some researcher on looking at.
Speaker 5: The overall territory of that ridge.
Speaker 4: It is larger than you realize.
Speaker 3: And if you do a topographical on top of that exactly, yeah,
Speaker 3: oh my god, you're gonna find where they're running through. Well,
Speaker 3: they're highways they're getting around that, let's put it that way.
Speaker 1: Well, we also have Laurel Caverns up here, and what
Speaker 1: I used to when I was young, I used to
Speaker 1: work at Laurel Caverns. I used to ge take tours
Speaker 1: down to the unexplored part. Uh. But what people don't
Speaker 1: know that there's two entrances to Laurel cavern the main
Speaker 1: entrance where they take people down, and then one way
Speaker 1: down the road. It's a huge cave system. Okay, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of caves throughout that area, okay, a lot
Speaker 1: of places for something that big to forge, a lot
Speaker 1: of deer, okay, lots of deer, lots of places to drink.
Speaker 1: There's fluids, I mean, water and everything else up there.
Speaker 1: So but it's all they call that area Chestnut Ridge.
Speaker 1: They called Chestnut Ridge in fact, Pennsylvania's Twilight Zone because
Speaker 1: they've had so many different things going on up there.
Speaker 4: And I can tell you, I could tell you the
Speaker 4: stories when I was up there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is, it really is, and it's a
Speaker 3: beautiful area, but it is the Twilight Zone too.
Speaker 1: Well, you know they have Wait a.
Speaker 3: Minute, we're getting way off track. I want to hear
Speaker 3: the rest of that part of that lady that was
Speaker 3: at the camp out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Oh you're talking about the one I was talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, like I said, I did not learn
Speaker 4: about this till after I.
Speaker 5: Was already gone.
Speaker 4: The story, after she's claimed to have seen what she's seen.
Speaker 4: I guess when they drove back from where the gate
Speaker 4: was where you have to park at the gate and
Speaker 4: then walked to get to the lake. Well, apparently they
Speaker 4: didn't get that far after she has seen what she
Speaker 4: has seen here now at the time from the way
Speaker 4: it's explained, like even in the video, she explains her
Speaker 4: husband thought she saw a bear. So she really started
Speaker 4: to get into details and explain when they got back
Speaker 4: to camp to talk to when they were talking to
Speaker 4: Melissa and David that were still at the camp and
Speaker 4: started to.
Speaker 5: Explaining to them, and her husband didn't know some of
Speaker 5: the details.
Speaker 4: And everybody they're like, Wilsten David, we all live in
Speaker 4: Shandoa Valley. We know about bears. I mean I myself,
Speaker 4: I've witnessed them over the years, some close some distance.
Speaker 4: I know my bears like to it. You know, Melissa
Speaker 4: and David, they grew up here. They lived in the
Speaker 4: valley most of their lives, even though they're from Kentucky
Speaker 4: and whatnot. But that girl, yes, yeah, that's that's uh.
Speaker 4: That's David's wife, Melissa. Yeah, she's a little younger than David. Oh,
Speaker 4: you will love them. They're great people, David, both David
Speaker 4: and Blissam. David's retired from the military, also retired. He's
Speaker 4: also a Rockingham Police Department retiree. He's had two full
Speaker 4: too full time careers retired from military and the law enforcement. Uh.
Speaker 5: Most and David, they actually met each other when they
Speaker 5: were while they were still in the military.
Speaker 4: David like to keep in mind, David and Melissa, there's
Speaker 4: there's a slight age difference they met, you know, she's
Speaker 4: a little.
Speaker 5: Younger than David.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I know so.
Speaker 5: But yeah, they both met while they were in the.
Speaker 4: Armies and everything and all that good stuff. But yeah, Uh,
Speaker 4: Melissa is from the Shannon Valley. She knows all the
Speaker 4: wireless she grew up here, you know, right, But so
Speaker 4: when I can't think of the lady's name right at
Speaker 4: the top of my head, but her husband when they
Speaker 4: were all talking and she was sharing this information like
Speaker 4: her husband's like, you didn't tell me all that, you know,
Speaker 4: And then when they realized when they saw when she
Speaker 4: was explaining what she saw and what it did, that
Speaker 4: was not a bear. She didn't see a bear. She
Speaker 4: saw a young juvenile. I mean what she estimated the
Speaker 4: height to me, it was probably about five no more
Speaker 4: than six feet if that. It sounds like they saw
Speaker 4: a young black juvenile sasquatch, you know. And yeah, because
Speaker 4: it was on two feet from the time she started
Speaker 4: till the time it ran off. It ran real fast
Speaker 4: on two feet, and she's kind of dumb, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: she's kind of ignorant when it comes to wildlife. She
Speaker 4: had no idea. Bears don't run that fast on two feet.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 3: Well, I lived down on Chestnut Ridge. My wife and
Speaker 3: I bought a camper put on the property though they
Speaker 3: live in, and we had a nice eight by twelve
Speaker 3: porch put on the front of it deck and uh,
Speaker 3: and we had a five hundred pounds sell come walking
Speaker 3: down the the street, turned, went across the front side
Speaker 3: of my port and down through my yord, down past
Speaker 3: the garage that is the Model T garage, so you
Speaker 3: couldn't put nothing in there but storage. Uh. Down past that,
Speaker 3: down over the hill, through the the parking lot of
Speaker 3: the post office, and went on down along the river.
Speaker 3: Now my big foot sighting, you guys know. And for
Speaker 3: the audience out there, I was fifteen feet away from it,
Speaker 3: and I still got people ask me you SURET wasn't
Speaker 3: a bear.
Speaker 1: When you see when you.
Speaker 4: Excuse me, yeah you know you don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, uh yeah, I'm positive was not a bear.
Speaker 3: So that's why now I got shirts, cups, decals. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: it's just a bear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that. That was a genius idea to
Speaker 4: come up with that.
Speaker 1: Can I ask you guys a question? Can I answer
Speaker 1: you both the questions? Okay, since we're talking about Bigfoot
Speaker 1: obviously and stuff, I have my opinions on what it is,
Speaker 1: but I want to hear what you guys each one.
Speaker 1: First of all, Bill, what do you think Bigfoot really is?
Speaker 3: Okay, I've been talking about this for the last six
Speaker 3: months this way, and I'm going to stick with it.
Speaker 4: My response might be what Mill says. I don't know
Speaker 4: what Mill says, but it might be what I saw.
Speaker 3: It was prettier than John, but as ugly as day. Uh.
Speaker 3: When I saw it, and I presume what it was,
Speaker 3: it was flesh and black, I preciate. Did it run
Speaker 3: to go down over the hill? When it turned and
Speaker 3: went down, it was going down over the hill. I
Speaker 3: was running backwards. But when it got down over the hill,
Speaker 3: did it jump through a poral? I don't know. I
Speaker 3: didn't see it. Did it go beat me up? Scottie?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I didn't see it. But but elaborate
Speaker 3: a little more on that winter time m hm the
Speaker 3: people up here in Mercer County, Pennsylvania, northern art where
Speaker 3: it gets a lot more snow than where I'm at.
Speaker 3: Right here, A couple of winters ago, the tracks going
Speaker 3: through their backyard the one morning they saw it after
Speaker 3: it snowed all night, and there's these tracks. They stopped
Speaker 3: in the middle of the yard and they still got
Speaker 3: another one hundred yards to get to the woodline. Where
Speaker 3: did it go?
Speaker 1: Okay, a portal?
Speaker 3: Did it get beamed up? Where did it go? Don't know?
Speaker 3: So I don't know what the hell it is. O.
Speaker 1: That's a fair sase.
Speaker 3: I believe I deep down inside, I want to believe
Speaker 3: it's flesh and blood, but I don't know. So I
Speaker 3: got to keep it open in mind.
Speaker 1: No, I guess what I was trying. I should have
Speaker 1: elaborate a little bit more. Do you think that it's
Speaker 1: a mere animal or you think it's something more just?
Speaker 3: I don't know. We don't have enough information to make
Speaker 3: that speculation. We don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Well.
Speaker 3: I could I could say, oh, yeah, I'm going along
Speaker 3: with Dan, it's flesh and blood, and then I say, oh, John,
Speaker 3: he's in the paranorma I'll go along with him. No,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me hear what Dan says about it. Now.
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, there's one thing I've heard you mentioned, John,
Speaker 4: which I kind of think about that a lot, and
Speaker 4: I have to agree to that. Talking about maybe they
Speaker 4: backtrack their own steps, however.
Speaker 5: I mean talking about the flesh and blood.
Speaker 4: That's where I've always stood on the flesh and blood
Speaker 4: because to me, honestly, my honest opinion is, flesh and
Speaker 4: blood happens to leave a physical evidence behind, you know, right,
Speaker 4: to me, that's makes sense. If they're leaving evidence behind,
Speaker 4: they have to be flesh and blood, is what we
Speaker 4: would assume. I do try to keep an open mind
Speaker 4: on various things because I've heard a lot of different
Speaker 4: stories and a lot of different claims. But with what
Speaker 4: Build just presented, I've heard it's not often. I've heard
Speaker 4: it only on a very few occasions that you might
Speaker 4: see a trackway and it all of a sudden it stopped.
Speaker 4: What happened? Where did it go? Now?
Speaker 5: You hear about the story in the snow, but.
Speaker 4: I think about it, or hear about tracks that are
Speaker 4: a trackway that's found in the clearing and the opening
Speaker 4: in soil. To me, if a trackway disappears, the one
Speaker 4: logical explanation that comes to mind is, for example, I've
Speaker 4: witnessed bear tracks, very large bear tracks, going through a
Speaker 4: power line area where the soil is pretty soft in
Speaker 4: most of the area I'm seeing, I'm following a bear tracks,
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, the bear tracks come to
Speaker 4: a dead stop. Where did they go? My explanation for
Speaker 4: that is, well, first of all, be observant, look at
Speaker 4: the ground, look at the terrain. Exactly became firm. I
Speaker 4: if you have enough weight, I'm you know, I'm well.
Speaker 4: Over the years, I've lost a lot of weight. I'm
Speaker 4: probably around two hundred pounds right now. I used to
Speaker 4: be over two sixty. I mean, even jumping and throwing
Speaker 4: your weight down with one foot you might leave an impression.
Speaker 4: But normal stop stepping and walking. You have a five
Speaker 4: hundred plus pound black bear leaving these trackways, and then
Speaker 4: they come to a dead stop.
Speaker 5: You got to think, well, why are.
Speaker 4: You not seeing the tracks no more? Again, you might
Speaker 4: have a soft ground here a foot to two feet away,
Speaker 4: it might become firm and solid.
Speaker 3: They're not going to leave, and I didn't right, you're
Speaker 3: right right with that. I witnessed that, and I have
Speaker 3: to witness and they say, how can we just see
Speaker 3: the one and not another one? And I showed the person.
Speaker 3: I says, look that's soft brown right there. The five
Speaker 3: foot spread that they walk, How solid is that? Oh right?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I got thrown in a position to show three
Speaker 3: people that never been out on a research got invited.
Speaker 3: Mary Faven invited him to come on. There was a
Speaker 3: sighting on a Wednesday. I wanted to go investigate it.
Speaker 3: We went on a Saturday. She invited three inexperienced people.
Speaker 3: She says, Bill. As we get there, she says, I
Speaker 3: need you to show them.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 3: I rode to the area with her. She never said
Speaker 3: nothing like that to me till we got there. So
Speaker 3: now I got to teach these people how to investigate
Speaker 3: while I'm doing an investigation. And it's like, I was
Speaker 3: not happy about that, but these people listen to me.
Speaker 3: I made them study it, try to figure out what
Speaker 3: caused it, like on a tree break and now and then,
Speaker 3: and I pointed a bunch of things out. But the
Speaker 3: thing is, you've got to be able to look at
Speaker 3: this stuff and don't say it's bigfoot, prove that it's not.
Speaker 1: It was right, right, Okay, let's go. Here's what I
Speaker 1: want to say about this. If you don't mind, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do. I'm going to say this. I also
Speaker 1: got within between fifteen and thirteen foot of a ten
Speaker 1: foot tall bigfoot with my I showed Dan the area
Speaker 1: and I actually took your yeah, and I got with him. Now, listen,
Speaker 1: I believe it's flesh and blood. First of all, without
Speaker 1: a doubt. I've seen him at least four times in
Speaker 1: my life. Okay, I saw this creature. I smelled it
Speaker 1: before I saw it. Okay, smelled it smelled like death,
Speaker 1: like dead animals and everything else. Okay. When I got close,
Speaker 1: I looked at this thing and it looked back at
Speaker 1: me with those eyes. And I told you guys this before.
Speaker 1: Primates don't have eyes. Shine this thing did. It looked
Speaker 1: at me. It studied me. I felt that infra sound
Speaker 1: that everybody talks about beating against my chest. Okay, it
Speaker 1: looked at me and studied me. Now you talk about footprints.
Speaker 1: It left almost twenty two inch long footprints in the snow. Okay,
Speaker 1: because there was snow on the grassy area not on
Speaker 1: the road. Well, listen, you talk about you don't know
Speaker 1: about portals and stuff where they use pearls. My own
Speaker 1: personal belief is this, it does not use portal. But
Speaker 1: that's my belief. But I'll tell you what I think happens.
Speaker 1: When I saw that thing move, it moved faster. You
Speaker 1: guys know how fast a deer goes? Yeah, dead stop.
Speaker 1: This thing was faster than any deer I've ever seen
Speaker 1: in my life. It was almost a blur, that's how
Speaker 1: fast it moved. A blur thirty feet and a blink
Speaker 1: of an eye three steps going into the woods. I
Speaker 1: tried to follow this thing. I couldn't keep up with it.
Speaker 1: I heard it crashing through the wood. But here's the
Speaker 1: thing about that. The area it was in was kind
Speaker 1: of open at first. But when you step into the woods,
Speaker 1: you know, you have a bunch of small limbs and
Speaker 1: things like that on the ground, and it makes almost
Speaker 1: like a carpet, And these things canna walk on a carpet. Light,
Speaker 1: And because it's foots so wide, it spreads out its sweet.
Speaker 1: So if it's walking through these areas like that, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna leave a footprint. It's not gonna leave an
Speaker 1: impression you were recognize first of all, is what I'm
Speaker 1: getting at. But I do believe in my heart that
Speaker 1: doesn't use portals. I also believe I don't know what
Speaker 1: it is either. I can tell you what I think
Speaker 1: it's not. I don't think it's a mere animal. It's
Speaker 1: too smart. It's too darn smart. It looked at me
Speaker 1: with eyes. I actually felt these eyes burning into me.
Speaker 1: And what I saw back looking in those eyes was intelligence,
Speaker 1: not dear. I know what deer look like when they
Speaker 1: look at you. You know, they're kind of dumb looking
Speaker 1: at you and all that. This was not looking at
Speaker 1: me like a dumb animal. It was looking me like
Speaker 1: it was studying me. And it was tilting his head
Speaker 1: side to thought like this. Okay. So, and it had
Speaker 1: its arms crossed, semi cross, big big diameter arms.
Speaker 3: Okay, the study us. They did study us.
Speaker 1: Well, listen, here's the other thing. I mentioned this the
Speaker 1: other day when I was being interviewed by Dan on
Speaker 1: the highway. Uh, the chief of police where I used
Speaker 1: to live, saw one in broad daylight off a root
Speaker 1: forty three bill studying and watching cars going up and
Speaker 1: down the road. Okay, he saw.
Speaker 4: That we've had that witness here in Virginia. One of
Speaker 4: the reports that I met up with the eyewitness. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I don't.
Speaker 1: Think it's you know, there's some people think that's a
Speaker 1: spiritual being. I understand the native of Maic or lore
Speaker 1: about it and all that, and how they worshiped it
Speaker 1: and they revered it and everything. I got that. But
Speaker 1: it's my opinion is based on what I've seen myself personally,
Speaker 1: is this creature is not a Gigantopithecus, and not a
Speaker 1: descendant Gigantopithecus was we know, had molars. It was primarily
Speaker 1: a vegetarian. This thing eats meat and vegeted vegetable manner. Okay,
Speaker 1: this thing does not have a sagul christ you know that, Bill,
Speaker 1: You know that Dan like a gorilla. Okay, Okay, it's big.
Speaker 1: It's more than twice the size of a mountain gorilla.
Speaker 1: For crying out loud, what I saw. The estimated weight
Speaker 1: of this thing was twelve hundred pounds. The biggest biggest
Speaker 1: gorilla I've ever heard is around six hundred pounds.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I got a question for you real quick.
Speaker 3: Sure are you open minded to could be interdimensional it
Speaker 3: still could be interdimensional and flesh and blood.
Speaker 1: Yes, I am open to that, But as far as
Speaker 1: something you could generate a portal itself, I don't go
Speaker 1: for that. I think what can do I think it
Speaker 1: can step in and out of our reality. Yes, I
Speaker 1: got that, and that's interdimensional. But I want to say
Speaker 1: something about that. I have an esteemed friend, we all
Speaker 1: know who he is, and he feels that interdimensional is
Speaker 1: not as the same as extraterrestrial. It is not true. Okay.
Speaker 1: Interdimensional means like from another universe, Okay, coming from another dimension.
Speaker 1: Extraterrestrial means not of the Earth, okaytra extraterrestrial not terterrestrial
Speaker 1: in nature, So there's a difference there. Now. I am
Speaker 1: open to the fact of interdimensional yes, okay, that I'm
Speaker 1: open to. But as you both, you guys know, I've
Speaker 1: talked to you both separately before and together. I've on
Speaker 1: been on cases where there's been bigfoot sighting in close
Speaker 1: proximity to a hovering UFO or a grounded UFO or
Speaker 1: supposedly going into or coming out of a UK. Now
Speaker 1: there's been. If it was just one case I was on,
Speaker 1: then I have to just like, yeah, okay, but there's been
Speaker 1: a number I'd say maybe twelve to fifteen cases I've
Speaker 1: been on where people have told me this, highly credible people.
Speaker 1: So I don't know what the connection, if any, is,
Speaker 1: but I can tell you one thing for certain. I
Speaker 1: don't believe it's a mere animal. I don't believe it's
Speaker 1: too smart for a mere animal. Just no way.
Speaker 3: Well, hold up, lions, elephants, they all use in for sound, Yes, Tigers.
Speaker 5: And several other species.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, several. I'm just using them as examples real quick.
Speaker 4: Right, Their primary in.
Speaker 3: I got now within for sound twice that'd be pragging
Speaker 3: was with me the one time, okay, and the other
Speaker 3: time I was bear hunting. I'm his chestnut bridge. So
Speaker 3: they can do that. I'm saying it was them, but
Speaker 3: I don't know if it' sure. I didn't see it.
Speaker 3: Can they possess other abilities? Good possibility. They're a higher
Speaker 3: intelligent animal.
Speaker 4: I agree to that, yes, and.
Speaker 3: But they are only what's smart. They're not street smart.
Speaker 3: You understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think they recognized that we have the
Speaker 1: capability as human beings to hunt them with dogs and
Speaker 1: with weaponry. I think they have that capability otherwise you'd
Speaker 1: be seeing them a lot more, and they would be
Speaker 1: attacking farm animals like cows and sheep. Because if that
Speaker 1: were to happen, especially I just mentioned this earlier, say
Speaker 1: for ins in this area. If a bunch of coles
Speaker 1: turned up missing or dead or torn to pieces, what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. The state police are gonna get involved.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be hunters out there looking for whatever did this. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's not happening yet. We know there's big foot in
Speaker 1: this area. We know that, Okay, So I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait a minute, Wait a minute, they have been
Speaker 3: reports of it. Don't say it has it, There has been.
Speaker 3: I've taken reports of it up in h Up in
Speaker 3: New York. I went on that investigation up there in
Speaker 3: February a couple of years ago. I talked to the farmer.
Speaker 3: His chiefs got taken and trapped down and kill pit
Speaker 3: and got slaughtered down in their neat. So and the
Speaker 3: way they were slaughtered was not coyotes.
Speaker 1: Well, we know there's mountain lines around the area too,
Speaker 1: but catch.
Speaker 3: You, yeah, they do. It's different. It's just now there's
Speaker 3: been reports of them killing the livestock and that and
Speaker 3: killing dogs, and there's been reports I've taken them and
Speaker 3: from credible people they showed me where their dog was
Speaker 3: killed at well I didn't. I'm just saying, you know,
Speaker 3: they do kill these other the pets in their livestock
Speaker 3: and so.
Speaker 4: Well, see, I'm agreeing with both of you guys because
Speaker 4: one of the things I'm thinking about every calling on
Speaker 4: certain instances and circumstances and situations overall, just like a
Speaker 4: lot of different prey animals, they're opportunities. Uh, they take,
Speaker 4: you know, if the opportunity arises and presents itself, they're
Speaker 4: going to take it. Yes, for example, you know, back
Speaker 4: of what John was saying, how they're more you know
Speaker 4: they have there have been noticed or seen or spotted
Speaker 4: or claimed to have canine teeth.
Speaker 5: Because you know, they meet.
Speaker 4: However, I agree to that, I mean because also in
Speaker 4: some of the reports I've heard where they've actually seen them,
Speaker 4: some of the eyewitnesses have seen them up close, never
Speaker 4: claim to have seen the canines more like flat teeth
Speaker 4: like we have.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I and I believe.
Speaker 4: That depends on the species or what they're adapted to
Speaker 4: as far as eating. Uh that being said, now, let
Speaker 4: me let me present white tailed deer. Now we know
Speaker 4: their their main diet is usually plants and other you know,
Speaker 4: and you know, and yeah, they're mainly vegetarian and they
Speaker 4: don't have we know, they don't have no canines at all.
Speaker 5: However, it's been witnessed on a.
Speaker 4: Few and I say rare occasions.
Speaker 5: They have been witness eating meat. Yes, you know, it's
Speaker 5: not common, but it's it's been witnessed, and.
Speaker 4: You know, so, I mean, I don't know how often.
Speaker 4: You know, there's a lot of behind the scenes that
Speaker 4: we don't get the witness because you know, we're not
Speaker 4: out the woods observed DAR twenty four to seven, you know, but.
Speaker 5: They have been known to eat meat themselves.
Speaker 1: So well, you made a really good point. Both of
Speaker 1: you meet some really good points about this. And this
Speaker 1: is what I want to say about that. Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: cut in on this because I have to say this
Speaker 1: the problem we have nowadays. You just made a really
Speaker 1: good issue, a good point. We don't know because a
Speaker 1: lot of people are actually doing this, aren't sharing.
Speaker 3: The information exactly right.
Speaker 1: We need listen, we need a good database. I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about a database of just stories. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: factual database, scientific based database. You guys know what the
Speaker 1: scientific method is. It's got to be repeatable. Well, and
Speaker 1: I told you this the other night, Dan, we can't
Speaker 1: do that. We have to think outside the box because
Speaker 1: we can't make a big wood show up. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we can repeat the experiment again. Okay, but we need Bill.
Speaker 1: You know this, and we talked about this too. We
Speaker 1: need credible people who are doing investigations to share them
Speaker 1: information instead of being so damn tight lift about it. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's how we find out.
Speaker 3: And I've been preaching that from day one, right, me too?
Speaker 3: Uh from day.
Speaker 4: One, Dan, you know that, Yeah, oh for sure.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing. And and the other part of
Speaker 3: that too is we got several different factions in the
Speaker 3: crypted world.
Speaker 1: Certain Yeah, and.
Speaker 3: There's a fleshing bud group. You got your extraterrestrial, you
Speaker 3: got your inter dimensional, then you got I don't know,
Speaker 3: like me, I don't know that do they really exist?
Speaker 1: But yeah, prove to me they don't prove me, to
Speaker 1: prove to me that they don't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. But the thing is, if you're just a
Speaker 3: question blood group and then you mentioned in a dimensional,
Speaker 3: all hell breaks loose. Oh yeah, And if you're kicked
Speaker 3: out of that group.
Speaker 5: Where's the open mind?
Speaker 3: Where's keeping your mind open? And learn and see what
Speaker 3: anything correlates with what you got?
Speaker 1: You know what, something, Bill, I got to say something
Speaker 1: to you. You you made a statement a long time
Speaker 1: ago and you put it on Facebook and I had
Speaker 1: to laugh when I see because I absolutely agree with
Speaker 1: what you said. Paranormal is a new normal.
Speaker 3: Yeah it is. And you know that's one in my shirts.
Speaker 1: Right, I know. But when you're going with the paranormal basically,
Speaker 1: and this comes to that thing about the expert call notation. Okay,
Speaker 1: none of us are damn experts. Okay, there are some
Speaker 1: of us are experiences, and we know a little bit
Speaker 1: more than the average Joe or Jane on the street.
Speaker 1: But we're all looking for the same answers the real
Speaker 1: guys or we're looking for the same answers. We want
Speaker 1: to know what's going on, and the only way to
Speaker 1: do that is to do it right. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean Look, there's more entertainment, bigfoot paranormal activity on TV
Speaker 1: than anything else. Yeah, and you're right, Bill, you said
Speaker 1: earlier about the producers. If they're not gonna make money,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna have that show on here, and they
Speaker 1: do it week to week. Okay, let's keep it real. Okay,
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna string this out as long as
Speaker 1: they can because guess what's gonna happen. Let's say, for
Speaker 1: the sake argument, some university or philanthropist comes up and
Speaker 1: he says, I'm going to finance an expedition and they
Speaker 1: somehow manage to trap a bigfoot alive that's into all
Speaker 1: these groups. That's the end of it. They're money maker.
Speaker 1: A lot of people are in this to make money
Speaker 1: to line their own pockets. Dan, you're not. You're not,
Speaker 1: and I'm not. I'm not in it to make money.
Speaker 1: I've never charged a penny for one investigation, and I've
Speaker 1: been on over five thousand investigations in my life, over
Speaker 1: five thousand.
Speaker 3: But the thing is too Yeah, I get very upset
Speaker 3: with these all these groups out there. Okay, man, they
Speaker 3: do the investigation, do they share the knowledge? Hell no,
Speaker 3: do they? And they just want to make that almighty dollar. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'll still like my shirts, my cops, my hats, different
Speaker 3: and different. Yah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, with.
Speaker 3: These events that pay my way because I don't charge
Speaker 3: to do a presentation. I pay for my gas, I
Speaker 3: pay for my hotel, you know my food. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm selling this stuff to recruit some of it for
Speaker 3: sharing my knowledge. I'm not there to make a million dollars.
Speaker 3: I'm not doing my podcast to become famous. I'm trying
Speaker 3: to learn and I'm trying. Sure when I find out and.
Speaker 1: Bill, and it's sure ain't about a facelift. I can
Speaker 1: tell you that.
Speaker 3: You're just jealous. I better looking at you.
Speaker 1: You're younger.
Speaker 4: Hey, Bill, Bill hater's gonna hate let him late.
Speaker 1: You know, that's gonna be an interesting trip down to Virginia.
Speaker 1: For real, This is gonna be really interesting. You and
Speaker 1: my wife in his car. Oh yeah, it's gonna be real.
Speaker 3: She told me to bring the duct tape.
Speaker 1: She got some of herself. She got like five rolls.
Speaker 4: Hey, hey, I can see I can see it now.
Speaker 4: When you guys arrived to Virginia, you get to the
Speaker 4: hotel where you guys are gonna settle at. I see
Speaker 4: Bill a hollow up the car, kissing, kissing the ground.
Speaker 1: Probably probably Hey, hey.
Speaker 4: Hey, I'm not presented right now. If you guys want to,
Speaker 4: it's up totally up to you. But if you don't
Speaker 4: want to go to the hotel, you guys could camp
Speaker 4: in the backyard. I got plenty of face for tent camping.
Speaker 4: But then again, you know, it's up to you guys.
Speaker 1: I would do it, but my wife is not an
Speaker 1: outdoor girl. She would kill right, you know what. The
Speaker 1: only way she'll go camping if I had a forty
Speaker 1: foot long camper. Okay, she's not gonna do. I would
Speaker 1: do it, no hard, because I got it. I got
Speaker 1: all this new camp I got my I don't know,
Speaker 1: I got all this new camping gear. I haven't even
Speaker 1: been able to put the use yet, but she got.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm saying, we got almost four acres of flat
Speaker 4: grass yard, you know. And then if you guys need
Speaker 4: to come in and take a shower, you guys got
Speaker 4: you guys can take a shower inside. You know, we
Speaker 4: got two bathroom, two showers here.
Speaker 1: So if you got you got four acres. But if
Speaker 1: I convinced my camp right, I'm gonna I'll have two acres,
Speaker 1: got it. I'll have two acres, and they're gonna be
Speaker 1: good because.
Speaker 4: You guys get yours, all right, and then our next
Speaker 4: door neighbor. If you gotta want to ride a horse.
Speaker 4: I'm sure he'll let your ride shaddle up with the horses.
Speaker 4: We got horses next door, so.
Speaker 3: Cowns on the other side because John got all of the.
Speaker 4: Bull Yeah, we got cows over here, and there was
Speaker 4: like before you turn up our road.
Speaker 1: Made Bill go to watch us playing that.
Speaker 4: Damn got the Blueish mountains in the backyard right here,
Speaker 4: which is also known as Skyline Drive, but the Blueish
Speaker 4: mountains run through our backyard.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's beautiful. That's beautiful.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we're only fifteen fifteen minutes from the venue.
Speaker 1: So well, thing we were I was talking to Bill,
Speaker 1: I looked up there's like more hotels in Verona, which
Speaker 1: is just south of that wires Cape Community Center. And
Speaker 1: I was telling me and Bill were talking about you
Speaker 1: last week about which one. The cheapest one I found
Speaker 1: was like fifty nine dollars a night but it had
Speaker 1: a pool and everything else. Uh so it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: But like I said, you know, we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: figure out which one we want to stay at.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, because I've been tied up doing all this
Speaker 3: other stuff.
Speaker 4: Well, that Verona agent. I don't know what is shown you,
Speaker 4: but there's the one link I sent you. There's actually
Speaker 4: one hotel there. There's only one if you go just
Speaker 4: a little bit further south, which is actually considered Stanton,
Speaker 4: uh St, it's pronounced Stanton down here. It's s t
Speaker 4: A o u N t o N. There's more hotels
Speaker 4: right off of that exit. But but the one I
Speaker 4: sent you, it's a newly remodeble one. I don't know
Speaker 4: nothing about it. I know it's the cheapest one that's
Speaker 4: closest to our venue. So unless you go are north
Speaker 4: of our venue, which is in Harrisonburg, Virginia, there's tons
Speaker 4: of hotels right there.
Speaker 1: Just so you guys know, I mentioned to you both
Speaker 1: of you before. I made a couple of gifts for you, guys.
Speaker 1: I made him and uh there there. I think you'll
Speaker 1: really enjoy what I made for you guys. Okay, No, Bill,
Speaker 1: I can't do nothing about the facelift for you. I
Speaker 1: don't have money for that, but but I did jealous.
Speaker 1: I know it is you're younger than I am. I
Speaker 1: wish I was your age pick, you know. But anyhow,
Speaker 1: I I did make you a couple of nice gifts
Speaker 1: and stuff to bring down and stuff, and I think
Speaker 1: you're really going to like them a lot, so I
Speaker 1: just think about you guys.
Speaker 4: Go ahead ahead, oh, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Hopefully Ron will get his vehicle running by then too,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 4: Uh oh yeah, either way, he'll be good to go,
Speaker 4: even if they have to come down in Christy's car,
Speaker 4: because you know Christy's staying with him now.
Speaker 1: Well. I stopped down here on the day before Christmas
Speaker 1: to give him his Christmas card. He was outside working
Speaker 1: with his coveralls on on his jeep and stuff, and
Speaker 1: he was telling me about he's having problems with I
Speaker 1: gave him a couple of ideas what I thought it
Speaker 1: might be. But uh, hopefully he'll get it taken care of.
Speaker 1: I know it's killing him not to do this, but listen,
Speaker 1: I wanted to mention to Dan you know about this,
Speaker 1: Uh Bill, I'm not sure if you do or not,
Speaker 1: but uh, I probably I can mention that Ron had
Speaker 1: had him and his fiance both saw something outside the
Speaker 1: trailer down where he lives. And I don't want to
Speaker 1: elaborate hi because up to him to tell everybody what
Speaker 1: he saw. But uh, he wanted me to come down
Speaker 1: here to do an investigation down here. I think it
Speaker 1: might be a good idea for all of this stood
Speaker 1: down here after what he said he saw. Uh, and
Speaker 1: I believe Ron, he's a very credible person. I know
Speaker 1: he's not gonna lie, but he really saw something up here.
Speaker 1: And that's right down below where that big boot was
Speaker 1: too big foot. In fact, we're up there on that
Speaker 1: where I took you guys before Dan, so uh oh, yes,
Speaker 1: right down on and then Uh, there's been multiple sightings
Speaker 1: in the whole area, so there's something going on down there.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of caves and a lot of empty
Speaker 1: mines down there and stuff. Well, so a lot of
Speaker 1: pole that's big behind.
Speaker 4: Well that's what fascinated me because I had Ron on here,
Speaker 4: you know, a few days ago, and uh after the
Speaker 4: discussion we got into talking about that towards the end,
Speaker 4: and uh that's the one thing I mean he's talked
Speaker 4: to me and mentioned it to me before, about the
Speaker 4: different old kde the mind entrances and this and that.
Speaker 4: That's what fascinates to me is you know, you know
Speaker 4: these old unused minds that are being used. Uh.
Speaker 5: So that's what I would I mean, I would be willing.
Speaker 2: I'm They're like, hey, take take me up there and
Speaker 2: I'll explore these minds, you know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've got bad knees, but I'll still go
Speaker 4: out and do my thing, you know. Oh yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Told him about a cave. He was aware of there.
Speaker 1: But when years ago, when my co investigator and I
Speaker 1: went down we went down to that mine hall which
Speaker 1: is across from Creston Heights and across from the ridge.
Speaker 1: You know, if you you can almost throw a stone
Speaker 1: from the ridge to Creston Heights where the big Foot
Speaker 1: was right and this mine hall was down here, and
Speaker 1: I went down there with Devon and years ago, uh
Speaker 1: back in it was the ninety two, I think it
Speaker 1: was ninety three. I found a cave down here, but
Speaker 1: no one knew existed. It's big enough right to crawl
Speaker 1: because I crawled into Devon's too big. He's six six
Speaker 1: and a half, six hundred and sixty pounds. He couldn't
Speaker 1: fit his buddy in there. But I did. I manage
Speaker 1: to get in there and stuff. But it's a perfect
Speaker 1: hiding place down in there, and no one goes down
Speaker 1: there anymore. And you met you know yourself, Dan, We
Speaker 1: met the new owner of the property down here, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: And so I can get definitely get permission for him
Speaker 1: to go down here. We can camp out down here
Speaker 1: or up there where the UFO was on the ground,
Speaker 1: I mean either or it overlooks that area. So but
Speaker 1: I like to have you guys, you know, come down
Speaker 1: here because you know, the more knowing eyes we have.
Speaker 1: You know, you guys are experienced with this stuff as
Speaker 1: I am and Ron is, And I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: want I've had so many people, like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: that want to go with me on these things, but
Speaker 1: I'm not doing to do what Bill got stuck doing
Speaker 1: taking it.
Speaker 3: But no, I'm glad I was able to to show
Speaker 3: somewhat of the right way because you adapt to your
Speaker 3: skills right.
Speaker 1: Well, you know. But here's the thing. We're both We're
Speaker 1: all knowledgeable about wood stuff, woodcraft and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: I grew up where I grew up as all woods
Speaker 1: are army and stuff like that, and there's been multiple
Speaker 1: sightings of all kinds of stuff down that area. But
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I don't mind taking a group
Speaker 1: of inexperienced people, but I don't know how much I'm
Speaker 1: going to actually get done as far as actual investigating
Speaker 1: rather than teaching you understand and right now, I'm at
Speaker 1: the point in my life. I'm going to be seventy
Speaker 1: three in August. Okay, I'm not a young guy anymore, Okay,
Speaker 1: And I want to get out there and do hardcore investigating,
Speaker 1: you know, And I'll leave the teaching up to you guys,
Speaker 1: to other people. I mean, I'll teach people too if
Speaker 1: they want. But I'm not just going to take a
Speaker 1: bunch of rookies out there and put them at risk
Speaker 1: because don't know what's going on. And I'm definitely not
Speaker 1: going to take anybody out there. It's out there, going
Speaker 1: to shoot it everything that moves, I'm not going to
Speaker 1: do that for sure.
Speaker 3: Well that here's the thing too. At Salt Pork, I
Speaker 3: did that one camp out there I put on and
Speaker 3: this young guy I'm not naching his name because I
Speaker 3: still want to go throat punch them.
Speaker 4: Lord.
Speaker 3: He always talks about how he's this smart, this smart,
Speaker 3: this smart, and he's getting his master's degree in crypt zoology.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we talked about this, you and I remember.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what college forts out there that
Speaker 3: teaches that. They have courses, but you don't get a
Speaker 3: master's degree.
Speaker 4: No, Yeah, there's undegree classes on cryptosology. However, it's different
Speaker 4: if he went under. If it was zoology, there is
Speaker 4: degrees on.
Speaker 3: Crypto But anyhow, Uh, this young lady, she came to
Speaker 3: the camp out of research and that and a bunch
Speaker 3: of us went up over the win hill, uh Morgan's
Speaker 3: Knob area there at so Fork. Well, Josh had her
Speaker 3: following down over the hill and he's talked like this here,
Speaker 3: you know, the top of his voice, and we're all
Speaker 3: trying to be quiet and research and playing. Well, you
Speaker 3: do this, you do that. And I got mad and
Speaker 3: I came back up over the hill. I went on
Speaker 3: over to the other side.
Speaker 1: I'm here.
Speaker 3: When we came back over from the other side, he's
Speaker 3: leaning against the truck and I looked at he says,
Speaker 3: all right, mister expert. Yeah, I said, you're talking so
Speaker 3: loud for he says, no the hell you want, And
Speaker 3: Mike Cartman goes, yeah you were. I went, what the uh? Well,
Speaker 3: she wanted to know some things. And I looked at
Speaker 3: and I says, that's when you talked softer or she
Speaker 3: was away for me. Then you bring her over to
Speaker 3: you and talk.
Speaker 4: Or walk up or walk up to her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3: What kind of asshole. Are you a man? I will
Speaker 3: lay you out.
Speaker 1: And again you remember when we went down by Mingo.
Speaker 1: Did I make one sound down there?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: You were dead quiet.
Speaker 3: No, you don't make But anyhow, gentlemen, I do have
Speaker 3: to leave. I got a very very early run to
Speaker 3: do in the morning, and then I got a doctor's
Speaker 3: appointment after that early morning run.
Speaker 1: So you got a plastic surgeony going to or what?
Speaker 3: No, the doctor's a proctologist. I'm trying to get rid
Speaker 3: of any ass named John.
Speaker 1: But make sure you look over your shoulder.
Speaker 4: Bill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's been fun. Well, Daniel, thank you for
Speaker 3: having me on with you.
Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely well. One thing I went through out there, Bill,
Speaker 4: I mean, which I'll message you about this uh after
Speaker 4: or later within the next day or so. But one
Speaker 4: of the things I wanted to bring up to you
Speaker 4: when I was bringing up and talking about our most
Speaker 4: recent bigfoot camp investigation here in Virginia, Like I said, John,
Speaker 4: I hope John can make it, and I want to
Speaker 4: invite you.
Speaker 1: To it if I do.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you and Bill Bill to do it.
Speaker 4: It's May eighteenth through the twenty fourth. And if you
Speaker 4: guys can't say the whole time. That's totally understandable because
Speaker 4: a lot of times when I when I host my
Speaker 4: group camp outs and investigations, I set them for a
Speaker 4: whole week. Now, I understand not everybody could stay the
Speaker 4: whole week, depending on their work schedules or whatever else
Speaker 4: that are going on, but I would love to have
Speaker 4: you a part of that, you know, So if you
Speaker 4: can make it, yeah, coordinate with Bill.
Speaker 3: Thank John.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you could do that, I mean, maybe you
Speaker 4: guys work something out to come down together.
Speaker 1: So for sure, I got I got three thousand dollars
Speaker 1: worth of electronic gear and camp camp camping gear. I
Speaker 1: haven't had really a good chance to use except for
Speaker 1: small things and stuff. But I like to put him
Speaker 1: to good use and stuff. And if I can make it,
Speaker 1: Bill's so inclined. If he's able to make it then
Speaker 1: and I can, then we can travel down together. I
Speaker 1: don't have a problem with it. But you've better bring
Speaker 1: a lot of duct tape, Bill, honest to god.
Speaker 4: Ill from where from where a campout is I mean,
Speaker 4: depending on like, like I know, for you, John, it
Speaker 4: should probably only be about a four hour drive. But
Speaker 4: you know, I think Bill's probably a little further from you.
Speaker 4: Yeah for you. Yeah, six hours.
Speaker 3: I'm going to bring the gorilla tape. So we take
Speaker 3: him to trade. And when I'm in the woods, I'm quiet.
Speaker 3: I do all my talking before I go into woods.
Speaker 4: Trust me, Bill, if we have to, we'll set John
Speaker 4: up to be our big front me.
Speaker 1: That if it's a female, they would count me in.
Speaker 4: I don't know. There's a there's a lot of homosexuals
Speaker 4: here in Virginia, so you might get a game bit quick.
Speaker 3: All right, all right, Bill, all right, guys.
Speaker 4: Hey, hey, thank you for coming on. Bill. It's been
Speaker 4: great having you man. But we will be in touch
Speaker 4: very soon.
Speaker 3: Wife.
Speaker 1: We asked about her to tell your wife, we asked
Speaker 1: about her will yeah goes.
Speaker 3: Well you guys say warm, take care, goodbye.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, thank you Bill.
Speaker 4: That absolutely that was great though. It was great having
Speaker 4: Bill on here.
Speaker 1: That's great, good guy. I mean we I wanted to
Speaker 1: say more about stuff, you know, but about my advance
Speaker 1: I coming up I have I'm talking about that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I gotta I got a podcast I'm doing for a
Speaker 1: lady named Nicola and Barnett. He asked me to do
Speaker 1: a podcast coming up sometime soon. I had to turn
Speaker 1: him down. Recently because I had something going on with
Speaker 1: the family, you know, about my great granddaughter. But and
Speaker 1: then I have h May twenty fifth, I'm supposed to
Speaker 1: be scheduled to do it speaking engagement out at Brookville
Speaker 1: with Brian seaching him. So, I mean a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: I got a lot going on right now. But I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do what I can, maybe to try to get
Speaker 1: down to this camp out with you and stuff. Oh yeah, Bill,
Speaker 1: Bill's inclined to do so, then you know I'll do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, uh, like I says, it depends on what's
Speaker 1: going on with my great drink granddaughter. Okay, I mean uh,
Speaker 1: I asked all. My great granddaughter's name is Brayln Ray.
Speaker 1: She's nine years old. She's got brain cancer. That's only
Speaker 1: three kids in the world have. It's called astro blastoma.
Speaker 1: And right she's been going to radiation. She's going tomorrow.
Speaker 1: H she's been going for the last three weeks and stuff.
Speaker 1: And if she lives, God willing, you know, she's gonna
Speaker 1: have to deal with us the rest of her life.
Speaker 1: So it's been putting our family through a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: you know. And but so I asked our viewers and
Speaker 1: listeners to please, you know, say their prayers for her
Speaker 1: and her family, my granddaughter, her mother, you know, Uh
Speaker 1: naught because her my granddaughter. It's my oldest granddaughter. But uh,
Speaker 1: I mean it's really hard for us and stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: it really is and stuff. And that's why I didn't
Speaker 1: get on earlier. I had to go down and take
Speaker 1: my my daughter down and I get a car for her.
Speaker 1: Hers broke down the other and I had to rescue her,
Speaker 1: so she had to use my mother along for tomorrow.
Speaker 1: But otherwise i'd have taken her, but I have and
Speaker 1: I have something I have to do with this car too.
Speaker 1: But but anyhow, like I said, uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't mean to come across as really harsh about uh,
Speaker 1: some of these other groups and stuff. But you know,
Speaker 1: I've been doing this for a long long time, you know,
Speaker 1: and I've tried to maintain the credibility of the paranormal
Speaker 1: genre in general, not just big Foot. And I don't
Speaker 1: want to be known, as I told you, Dan, I
Speaker 1: don't want to be known simply as a Bigfoot investigator.
Speaker 1: Because I'm a paranormal investigator. I investigate all kinds of cases, ghosts, UFOs, aliens,
Speaker 1: all manner of cryptids, moth man, you name it. But
Speaker 1: this has intrigued me very much, having seen them at
Speaker 1: least four, maybe up to six times, you know, it's
Speaker 1: really piqued my interest in what these creatures are. I
Speaker 1: do agree with you and Bill. I think they're flesh
Speaker 1: and bruck creatures. If they were anything other than that,
Speaker 1: they wouldn't leave tracks behind. But I'm mystified it and
Speaker 1: I'm but there's some explanation of why their tracks could
Speaker 1: disappear in heavy brush. Because their feet are wide and
Speaker 1: if there's like brush on the ground they step on it,
Speaker 1: You're not really going to see a clear track, you know.
Speaker 1: It's not like they're walking in a regular dirt or anything.
Speaker 1: But those tracks I told you about, the two were
Speaker 1: of Crescent Heights. They disappeared at the edge of the hillside.
Speaker 1: When I looked again, I saw where they actually had
Speaker 1: stepped backwards. That's into the tracks, into the brushy woods
Speaker 1: where the tracks disappeared. So I just don't know what
Speaker 1: to think. I don't know what they are. I can
Speaker 1: tell you what they're not. I don't believe they're in
Speaker 1: a regular animal they just otherwise we've already captured one, Well,
Speaker 1: they're just an animal. I think we'd already captured one,
Speaker 1: but they're more than that. I just don't know what
Speaker 1: to make of it. And I hope before I die
Speaker 1: there's answers come out, but more than likely not because
Speaker 1: I am getting older. It's gonna be guys like you
Speaker 1: and Bill and others that are in this field. The
Speaker 1: younger generation. It's gonna have to come up. But unfortunately, Dan,
Speaker 1: there's so many other entertainment groups out there right now
Speaker 1: that it's muddy in the waters for the hard course
Speaker 1: group of people who are doing serious investigative work and research.
Speaker 1: You know, I do take great offense though that people
Speaker 1: where they're in. Some people are in it just to
Speaker 1: make money in line their pockets. I do take grip,
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about selling some T shirts and stuff.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about appearance fees five thousand and eight thousand
Speaker 1: dollars to go speak. Okay, they've seen a big one.
Speaker 1: You know. I got a problem with that, Okay, I understand.
Speaker 1: I mean I wouldn't have a problem if the guys
Speaker 1: come from the state of California, and if I have
Speaker 1: invited him to an event in Pennsylvania, I played for papers,
Speaker 1: playing fair and maybe for a stay in a hotel.
Speaker 1: But that's about the extent of it. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to get him five or eight thousand dollars just to
Speaker 1: show up. I mean, come on, seriously, having never seen
Speaker 1: a big one, because anybody can speculate on what a
Speaker 1: bigfoot is. I don't know what they are. You don't
Speaker 1: know what they are. Bill doesn't know what they are.
Speaker 1: We've seen them, but we don't know what they are.
Speaker 1: But these other guys are just it's burning my ass,
Speaker 1: there really is, you know. And uh, some of these
Speaker 1: groups too. Like one thing I say about your group
Speaker 1: and Bill's group, you know, uh, you guys don't tolerate
Speaker 1: negative trolls, people cursing, putting other people down. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot more people out there have had sightings,
Speaker 1: but when they get they see these groups where the
Speaker 1: administrator and the founders of these groups allow people to
Speaker 1: put them down and call them nut cases and everything else,
Speaker 1: they keep quiet. They don't want to they don't want
Speaker 1: to put it out there like that. And it's because
Speaker 1: we could get more information. I guess that's where I
Speaker 1: was trying to go earlier. We could get more information.
Speaker 1: If we had more people step forward and say, look,
Speaker 1: this is what I saw. But when you got people
Speaker 1: coming also, you got people coming on and saying stuff
Speaker 1: like the big boots all told me what their names were, Billy, Fred,
Speaker 1: you know, Judy and and and and whatever. No, I
Speaker 1: don't buy that for a second. And if you have
Speaker 1: a bunch of big foot on your property, okay, take
Speaker 1: some pictures, take some pictures, Okay, do something. But pictures
Speaker 1: themselves are not gonna make They're not gonna convince mainstream science.
Speaker 1: You know what's gonna content convince mainstream science getting one alive.
Speaker 1: And until we until we have some kind of philanthropist
Speaker 1: or university come forward and say we're going to fund
Speaker 1: an expedition with reputable people. There are experts in their
Speaker 1: field of endeavor, anthropology, wildlife's zoology, is all this kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, expert trackers and stuff like that. We're not
Speaker 1: going to get the answers we see, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's a shame of it, you know. So there's the
Speaker 1: very handful, there's only a handful of people they're actually
Speaker 1: trying to do the right thing. I mean by handful,
Speaker 1: maybe one hundred to one hundred and fifty people in
Speaker 1: this country try to do the right thing. The rest
Speaker 1: are just trying to line their pockets gain personal fame
Speaker 1: and notoriety. I don't like that, okay, And you know
Speaker 1: you're not in it to make money. Bill's not it
Speaker 1: to make money. I certainly am not in to make money,
Speaker 1: you know. But if I could capture a big foot alive,
Speaker 1: I certainly would. I certainly would. But I just don't
Speaker 1: have the means to do so. So the only thing
Speaker 1: I can do is find some tracks, take some pictures.
Speaker 1: If I can find some DNA, you know, hair samples
Speaker 1: or scat or whatever, you know, Hopefully, if I get
Speaker 1: enough of that and enough credible people coming forward, you know,
Speaker 1: like policemen or military people or something like that, maybe
Speaker 1: it maybe at some point mainstream science will accept that
Speaker 1: and maybe just maybe say, look, oh, I also want
Speaker 1: to say this, we know it exists. You know it exists,
Speaker 1: and so do I, and so is building everybody else's
Speaker 1: in this. I want to get protections for this creature.
Speaker 1: Put it on the endangerous species list, so you don't
Speaker 1: ever have every Tom, Dick and Harriet there trying to
Speaker 1: shoot something that moves in the woods. The worst thing
Speaker 1: could ever happen, you know yourself. If you wound a
Speaker 1: bear and you don't kill that bear and they know
Speaker 1: what a human did, what's going to happen? That bear
Speaker 1: can't hunt for itself now that it's going to start hunting humans.
Speaker 1: So if you wound a bigfoot and it sees humans
Speaker 1: as humans, period, any other person walks in the woods
Speaker 1: that didn't shoot it is going to be fair game
Speaker 1: for that wounded bigfoot. Okay, kill one of its children.
Speaker 1: You're really in deep trouble then, Okay, So I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm just throwing that out there for for general speak.
Speaker 1: But any I know, you've probably got some stuff to do.
Speaker 1: My wife will be coming out here in about ten
Speaker 1: minutes the most, but because she gets off all ten.
Speaker 4: But there is one question. There's a few questions I had,
Speaker 4: but I figured there's one question. I know on the
Speaker 4: last time we had you on here in just a
Speaker 4: couple of days ago, on Facebook, people were asking questions
Speaker 4: and the one first question is I believe it was
Speaker 4: the one about you big foot hybrid eight.
Speaker 5: I think you yeah, I think.
Speaker 4: You responded to that.
Speaker 5: You want to kind of touch base on that real quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are certain creatures on this planet. Like, for instance,
Speaker 1: there's a frog in Africa that lives in the water,
Speaker 1: of course, and when the water drives up the waterhole,
Speaker 1: it goes into what they call like an estivation that's
Speaker 1: not a hibernation estivation, and it can live there until
Speaker 1: the rains come again. And it's the tabolism is slow.
Speaker 1: It's almost like it's dead, but it's not. Bears on
Speaker 1: the other hand. Bears, on the other hand, hibernate through
Speaker 1: the long winter. And what they do they you know yourself,
Speaker 1: your your wildlife expert. They go and they forage and
Speaker 1: get fat and stuff. They can even give babies while
Speaker 1: they're in hibernation. Okay, that don't wake up and have babies. Okay,
Speaker 1: baby bears. But that's different. Estivation is different. And people
Speaker 1: I talk to you about this the other day, like
Speaker 1: people can they were talking about there's people are saying
Speaker 1: there's no alligators in the Mount mon Mon River, Ohio River.
Speaker 1: Well guess what they found a bunch of alligators living
Speaker 1: in a Mond river in the Ohio River in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1: And let me just point this out. Alligators and crocodilions
Speaker 1: in general have been around for two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: million years, through multiple ice ages, through an asteroid strike
Speaker 1: on the planet. They've survived how they've done so they
Speaker 1: could go into type of festivation they build. They build
Speaker 1: nest up under river banks, which brings me to this point. Supposedly,
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty seven, up near where I live, a
Speaker 1: bigfoot like they didn't call it bigfoot, they said some
Speaker 1: kind of hairy creature came out of the water in
Speaker 1: the Moon River. My guess is these creatures can go
Speaker 1: up under embankments like these clay embankments and build a
Speaker 1: nest up under the water and live there like that.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're capable, but that would make
Speaker 1: a lot of sense too, because who's going to go
Speaker 1: looking under the river for inspecting the winter time for
Speaker 1: a bigfoot?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: But I did respond to that post, and I tried
Speaker 1: to be a little specific about what the differences were
Speaker 1: and stuff. But yeah, there are creatures can do that, okay.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking when the food supply is short and
Speaker 1: you brought this up yourself, that they can turn from
Speaker 1: they can't find like a vegetable matter like berries and
Speaker 1: stuff like a bear mite, Okay, they'll go for a
Speaker 1: deer or some other small animal and build it. I mean,
Speaker 1: in my area, I'm really kind and responsible for three
Speaker 1: counties up there, Washington, Green, and Fayette. I've never heard
Speaker 1: of a report in this area of any farm antles
Speaker 1: being taken deer, yes, dogs, cats have disappeared, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: but again, whatever happens up north in Pennsylvania, I can't say,
Speaker 1: because I haven't been up there like where Bill lives, uh,
Speaker 1: except rarely. But I would have to say that only
Speaker 1: when if the food supply gets sourced short, which right
Speaker 1: now it's plentiful. I've seen more deer in the time
Speaker 1: I've been around here than I have in my whole
Speaker 1: life walking down the middle of the street for crying
Speaker 1: out loud. But uh, the thing is is that when
Speaker 1: if the food supply gets short, they're gonna look for food.
Speaker 1: You say to yourself, they're opportunists. They're gonna take what
Speaker 1: they can get. But I also think they're smart enough
Speaker 1: to know that man man himself can hunt them effectively
Speaker 1: with dogs, and they have weapons that can hurt them. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's what I think different themselves from being mere animals
Speaker 1: into something else, something with higher intelligence. Yes, something it's
Speaker 1: self aware, something that knows man can hurt them, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's why they avoid man. Otherwise you see them
Speaker 1: all the time. Think about it. You see them all
Speaker 1: the time. And yeah, animals have infrasound, A lot of
Speaker 1: different animals on the planet of infrasouth. Who's to say
Speaker 1: that these creatures they have I know, I felt it
Speaker 1: myself one time. I felt the infrasound, okay, and it
Speaker 1: shook me. I told you this. I thought it was
Speaker 1: it felt made me feel like it was sad. But
Speaker 1: you know, I felt it palpably beating against my chest. Okay.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, I just I mean, there might be
Speaker 1: cases up in New York where, you know, because there's
Speaker 1: more people in that area that it has to take
Speaker 1: what it can get, you know. But to my knowledge,
Speaker 1: in the East Coast Bigfoot, the Northeast Coast Bigfoot is
Speaker 1: not generally violet or prone to attacking cattle or farm animals.
Speaker 1: Now down south, and we talked about this before that
Speaker 1: we know the Bogie Creek Monster, the Folk Monster, the
Speaker 1: skun Capes. Then you have the northwestern Sasquatch. They're more
Speaker 1: territorial because there's less people, so they've they've latched onto
Speaker 1: a particular type of territory where their food sources are,
Speaker 1: and they're more protective of that. So uh, you know,
Speaker 1: and you said it yourself too. It depends on where
Speaker 1: they live, the adaptive qualities of that. Look at the Yetti,
Speaker 1: we know that, YETI prays on whatever it can get
Speaker 1: over there in the Himalayas. So does the yerin Okay
Speaker 1: because of the environment they're in. They're different colors, they're
Speaker 1: not as quite as tall, but there's more stocky, and
Speaker 1: they do they go after people as well. So but
Speaker 1: I just I wish I had the answers. But the
Speaker 1: more I dig, the more I find out. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm mad enough to admit it. And until,
Speaker 1: like I said earlier to you and Bill, until serious
Speaker 1: groups start sharing information and getting those little bits and
Speaker 1: pieces and tidbits of information where we can all gain
Speaker 1: knowledge from it and maybe help us in our endeavors,
Speaker 1: we're never gonna get ahead. We're just gonna be spinning
Speaker 1: our wheels, you know. And like I said, then you
Speaker 1: have the entertainment industry mudding up the waters where they're nonsense.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's very sad and like I said,
Speaker 1: for almost fifty eight years now, I've been doing investigations
Speaker 1: and trying to maintain the category of this this genre,
Speaker 1: and it's getting harder or harder to do. People are
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, okay, you know, they're just laughing and
Speaker 1: they're the laughing at us. And I've talked to people
Speaker 1: like you have to. Some of them don't want, don't
Speaker 1: want to come forward. That one gentleman that you and
Speaker 1: I went down to with our other investigator down by Mingo,
Speaker 1: then he don't want his name put out there. Why
Speaker 1: what did he say? I don't want to have be
Speaker 1: embarrassed or people put me down. Okay, I can understand that,
Speaker 1: but yet, but he reached out to us, you specifically
Speaker 1: at first, because he saw something he couldn't explain what
Speaker 1: he saw. And there's other people are sitting back there.
Speaker 1: They want to say something, but they don't know because
Speaker 1: there's so many Bigfoot paranormal groups on Facebook and they
Speaker 1: read some of these posts of people, you know, the
Speaker 1: negative trolling and the name calling and all the you know,
Speaker 1: and they're scared to come forward. But I'll bet you,
Speaker 1: I'll bet you everything I have in my life that
Speaker 1: there's way more people have seen a bigfoot or had
Speaker 1: a paranormal experience that are afraid to come forward for
Speaker 1: that very reason. Sorry, I gotta get the duct tape.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, You're totally fine, totally fine. No.
Speaker 4: I love what you have him say and share it.
Speaker 1: Sure, well you know what. I'm gonna let you do
Speaker 1: it for now, but because Beth will be out here
Speaker 1: in about five minutes now, But and I'll get here
Speaker 1: butt home because it's cold out here. It's twenty one
Speaker 1: degrees according to my car thermometer. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: get it out there. You see, I'm a tough old cookie.
Speaker 1: I don't care how cold it is. If I can
Speaker 1: right now, I'll do it. But I'm gonna turn my
Speaker 1: car on because she's coming out. I'm gonna put some
Speaker 1: heat in here for her or show yell at me.
Speaker 1: I got heated seats in here, Dan, just so you know,
Speaker 1: front seats are heated.
Speaker 4: So sounds good, sounds good. But one thing I do
Speaker 4: wanted for out there before we come to a close here. Uh,
Speaker 4: for those who are listening to this and you know
Speaker 4: who are following, Uh, this is not the end of it.
Speaker 4: We got a lot more to discuss and talk about
Speaker 4: in the near future. But yeah, I appreciate you guys
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Speaker 4: if you have questions, uh you want discussed and talk
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Speaker 4: other questions and you'll be able to listen to other
Speaker 4: discussions on various topics. Meanwhile, thank you guys again, and.
Speaker 7: I'm looking forward to having other discussions with John and
Speaker 7: other researchers as well who have experienced the unknown and
Speaker 7: you know, we'd like to share our opinions and thoughts
Speaker 7: and knowledge on the whole topic.
Speaker 4: So but John, thank you again. Uh yeah, we're going
Speaker 4: to come to a close right now, and you know, hey,
Speaker 4: till next time. Thank you very much and I appreciate
Speaker 4: you being a part of this. So so next time, John,
Speaker 4: you keep it squatchy and I'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Are you too, buddy? Take care and go bless
Speaker 4: It sounds good man, all right, Bye bye bye bye