WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:02.720 Let's start the stream and see if this works. 2 00:00:03.879 --> 00:00:22.359 Okay, fingers questa, okay, all. 3 00:00:22.320 --> 00:00:24.679 Right, welcome, welcome, welcome. Can everybody in the chat hear me? 4 00:00:27.760 --> 00:00:28.719 Is that you play music? 5 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:36.119 Alightter just pus this the ad Cauzipito started. Okay, uh yeah, 6 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:42.840 and can people give me as well? All right? Kay? 7 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:46.799 Can you guys hear uh snack? Hold on, there's another 8 00:00:46.840 --> 00:00:48.320 computer that's playing. Let me turn that off. 9 00:00:55.840 --> 00:01:11.319 Okay, all right, we should be good. 10 00:01:11.359 --> 00:01:14.439 We're going, we're rolling sounds good yep, everybody lot and clear, 11 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:16.799 all right, welcome, this is uh we've been wanting to 12 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:18.760 do this show for a while. 13 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:21.319 The stream and I have with me. 14 00:01:21.400 --> 00:01:25.120 Snack, one of our French ortho bros. I've just been 15 00:01:25.159 --> 00:01:31.040 here reading my copy of how to Mind Control Snack 16 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:33.879 by Ignacious Loyal. 17 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:36.400 Snack there. 18 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:38.879 Yeah yeah, yeah that I had the. 19 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:40.959 Spiritual exercises and I'm going to figure out how to 20 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:43.000 mind control you with the key phrases and words. 21 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:45.799 Yeah. 22 00:01:46.920 --> 00:01:48.760 Okay, what's up man? How are you? 23 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.239 I'm quite right? Yeah, it's very good being here. I 24 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:54.200 want to thank everybody. 25 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:54.599 Yeah. 26 00:01:54.799 --> 00:01:58.159 Yeah, it's a pre sip gang and all the theres 27 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:00.640 a French team because we've been working on a lot 28 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:04.400 of stuff and it's good that, you know, especially having 29 00:02:05.159 --> 00:02:08.599 these kind of sources that are not available for there's 30 00:02:08.639 --> 00:02:10.280 a you know, English speaking public. 31 00:02:11.879 --> 00:02:14.960 So hold on, So let's tell everybody what you do 32 00:02:15.039 --> 00:02:17.560 real quick and and and just kind of lay that 33 00:02:17.599 --> 00:02:19.879 out there that you you try to translate a lot 34 00:02:19.879 --> 00:02:22.759 of these French sources that are not in English, right, 35 00:02:22.840 --> 00:02:23.560 is that what you're up to? 36 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:28.360 Okay? So I'm part of a collective, Like basically we 37 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:31.919 have a server, website, YouTube channel, we are supervised by 38 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:34.439 a deacon that we are French, a lot of French 39 00:02:34.479 --> 00:02:37.719 converts and so on, and and all collective is about, 40 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:43.280 you know, trying to get out sources, easy apologetics and 41 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:48.199 new stuff, not not only know translating, but usually bringing 42 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:51.840 out the ideas and sharing. And we've been involved with 43 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:55.199 with yeah, some of the people that follow you as well, 44 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:58.639 the Precept Gang and and we have a yeah on 45 00:02:58.840 --> 00:02:59.639 server or on thing. 46 00:02:59.759 --> 00:03:00.479 Yeah oh cool? 47 00:03:00.599 --> 00:03:03.560 Okay, So and I've got the links in the description 48 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:08.840 to the French Orthobro discord to your YouTube channel and 49 00:03:08.840 --> 00:03:10.960 then if they want to follow you on Twitter. So 50 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:13.479 everybody's got that information and we'll touch on that again 51 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:16.800 real quick, I want to make a point about what's 52 00:03:16.800 --> 00:03:18.319 coming on YouTube. There's going to be a lot of 53 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:22.240 changes to YouTube, particularly in January, so we want to 54 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:25.960 be prepared for that. 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So I 90 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:05.959 needed to make that clear because I've been researching that 91 00:05:06.040 --> 00:05:06.720 today so. 92 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:11.839 Excuse me. So today we're going to be talking about. 93 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:17.360 Issues in France, French jesuits, the Frankish church. Let's start 94 00:05:17.399 --> 00:05:21.079 with the issue that you want to start with, So 95 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:23.279 you tell me where you think is the best place 96 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:26.240 to start. Because we've talked a lot about jesuits, accounter 97 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:30.639 Reformation pre less when it comes to weird mortification practices, 98 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:38.519 the Jesuit usage of heart worship, Abata's works that apparently 99 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:41.519 have not been translated into English about the Jesuits, what's 100 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:44.079 the best place to start in your mind? 101 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:46.600 As the best place to start is you know, thinking 102 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:53.079 about I mean into French context what Trenchfitly is, you know, 103 00:05:53.120 --> 00:05:55.319 because we have a lot of people thinking it's a 104 00:05:55.399 --> 00:06:00.639 bastion of Catholicism. It's yeah, but we need to think, 105 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:03.240 you know, look historically, and then I'm going to get 106 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:05.279 there because he's probably one of the best sources we 107 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:08.120 have and it needs to be vindicated because a lot 108 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:12.240 of people are just not accepting it because you converted. 109 00:06:12.319 --> 00:06:17.360 But I'll tach on that. So basically what I want 110 00:06:17.399 --> 00:06:21.279 to go on first is the fact that France is 111 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:29.879 actually basically friends started as something very Orthodox, and you know, 112 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:34.839 Papism in France, especially after the Vatican One, France always 113 00:06:34.839 --> 00:06:38.759 has been you know, pushing against it, and really we 114 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:43.759 should not see France as this bastion of Catholicism. And 115 00:06:43.800 --> 00:06:46.319 actually the fact that the SSPX and stuff like this 116 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:51.920 are very present in France is is more of a 117 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:58.079 side effect of this, because you see whole religious as 118 00:06:58.120 --> 00:07:02.480 all religious climate was just destroyed after Vatican won. So 119 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:05.160 basically the idea is that when we look at the 120 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:09.079 history of France, the first king we converted, like the 121 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:14.480 French Constantine if you want French in Constantin was actly Clovis, 122 00:07:14.560 --> 00:07:19.199 and Clovis at the very start. So it was frank 123 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:25.040 and the Franks was the only church that converted to Christianity, 124 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:29.519 the United Church and Divided Church, which we know is Orthodox. 125 00:07:30.959 --> 00:07:34.240 And as soon as he did this, as soon as 126 00:07:34.240 --> 00:07:38.720 he converted, he convoked consuls, namely the Council of Audience 127 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:43.560 and the Council of Audience establishes, which is basically opposiphally 128 00:07:43.759 --> 00:07:46.920 in the Kingdom of Franks. So already we can. 129 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:49.639 See that in you because you're saying it really fast. 130 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:50.480 The Council of what. 131 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:57.160 The Council of Audience Orleans okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, So 132 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:03.399 that's in five hundred eleven, okay. And during this council 133 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:09.120 there's basically the establishment of autocephony in France. And even 134 00:08:09.199 --> 00:08:12.480 after the schism, we can see that this idea of 135 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:17.199 you know, friends getting centralized, you know, especially after the 136 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:23.000 one hundred years wars Friends being centralized also involved, you know, 137 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:26.160 centralization of the church and the ideas that the church 138 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:30.839 was not just a political tool for the Vatican. And 139 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:36.159 we'll see it especially through the Jersuit infiltration, because they 140 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:38.600 came a little late, and we can see that. You know, 141 00:08:38.879 --> 00:08:44.440 in all traditional Christianity there always were a fight against 142 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:52.919 such influences. So yes, basically the church that existed in 143 00:08:52.919 --> 00:08:55.639 France was the Gallican Church. The Gallican Church concept of 144 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:58.440 it is very easy. It really looks like the Anglicans, 145 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:06.399 except then community. And so the Gallican Church says that 146 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:09.919 as a Lieutenant of Christ is actually the king of 147 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:14.399 friends of Christ. And here we can see the lieutenant 148 00:09:15.159 --> 00:09:16.600 like bigger. 149 00:09:16.440 --> 00:09:20.519 Few will vicker lieutenant lit like. 150 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:26.879 Yeah, lieutenant yeah. And just this, you know, it already 151 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:30.159 invalidates most of the papal claims to friends because this 152 00:09:30.240 --> 00:09:32.960 already is that odds with a Vatican one saying that 153 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:36.440 there is a universal jurisdictions that the purpose believed to 154 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:40.840 have absolute power. And you know it showed even even 155 00:09:40.919 --> 00:09:45.279 during the First consulta Vatican. During the first consulta Vatican, 156 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:49.919 there was a huge French position the Gallican Church and 157 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:55.320 the Gallican Church actually is the only reason. One of 158 00:09:55.360 --> 00:10:00.399 the most clear reasons the Vatican collectively push ultra apism 159 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:03.919 like after the Vatican One was the fact that there 160 00:10:04.039 --> 00:10:08.360 was the Franco Prussian War. Basically, the emperor was captured 161 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:11.919 in the old state machine just fell apart. 162 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:14.759 Okay, so let's let's take this slow, let's not go 163 00:10:14.759 --> 00:10:17.519 too faster. So basically, what we're saying is is that 164 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:20.519 in this early period, when you have the expansion of 165 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:26.039 Christianity into this region, it's essentially orthodox. We think of 166 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:28.600 this as the Gallican Church. And you're saying that the 167 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:32.720 granting of autocephali here of being self governing more or 168 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:35.279 less shows that the practice of the Church in this 169 00:10:35.320 --> 00:10:40.679 period is Orthodox church governance, and we don't see the 170 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:44.279 Vatican one conception here. And this is why this has 171 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:49.639 been a problem for the claims of Vatican One. Correct, Yeah, correct, Okay, 172 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:51.919 Now that's a first argument. And what I want to 173 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:55.759 get to then is when we when we move towards 174 00:10:56.200 --> 00:10:59.759 the period of Charlemagne, can you enlighten us how before 175 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:01.200 we up to it. We see that this is a 176 00:11:01.240 --> 00:11:03.799 problem of Vatican One, But can you take us through 177 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:07.679 the Charlemagne period, just because My understanding is that I'm 178 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:11.639 not agreeing with everything that Romanites or any of those 179 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:14.080 people say, but there is a point to be made 180 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:17.720 here that a lot of Greek writers have made about 181 00:11:17.720 --> 00:11:21.919 the history of the Frankish Church, which is that it 182 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:26.720 does eventually become a tool for the Frankish power. And 183 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:29.320 that's where we do start to see problems with Charlemagne. 184 00:11:29.320 --> 00:11:32.080 And it's actually the letters of Saint Photios the Great 185 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:35.960 where he complains about Frankish missionaries, and he does mean 186 00:11:36.440 --> 00:11:39.480 people under Charlemagne. He's not using the generic term of 187 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:43.919 Franks for the Westerns. He's specifically speaking of people from 188 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:47.919 the Franks spreading the Phillyoquay missionaries spreading the Philioquay in 189 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:51.039 the jurisdictions of Greek churches. 190 00:11:51.600 --> 00:11:52.679 So is that correct? 191 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:55.919 And can you verify that or do you want to 192 00:11:55.919 --> 00:11:57.039 get into that period next? 193 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:03.480 Correct? So, basically what the Franks did, and it started 194 00:12:03.480 --> 00:12:09.600 with Peppin. He started with Peppin the Great, which is 195 00:12:09.639 --> 00:12:12.679 the father of Charlemy. They started to see so of 196 00:12:12.679 --> 00:12:15.080 course they established what a valley because like Frank's means 197 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:17.960 free and so so this was starting a club is 198 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.000 So that's a little bit before but starting at Charlemagne, well, 199 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:26.120 start to see a shift. And this shift is is 200 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:29.080 about it's seeing the papacy as a tool. So it 201 00:12:29.120 --> 00:12:32.200 started with the donation of Pepin and then the coronation 202 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:36.159 of Charlemagne. So the donation of Papin is the moment 203 00:12:36.240 --> 00:12:39.960 where the papacy became the theocracy, the moment where powers 204 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:44.879 are mixed between temper and the spiritual powers. And yes, 205 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:48.120 Charlemagne then used the Church as a tool, and he 206 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:54.759 tried to prop up the Vatican as being yeah, more 207 00:12:54.879 --> 00:12:59.879 powerful and more important that it was. 208 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:04.320 Especially I want to add two that I've added this 209 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:06.600 link in the chat. That's the link to the to 210 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:13.679 the classic article by of Father Denisius Dragas, which quotes 211 00:13:14.759 --> 00:13:21.039 the letters of Photius talking about the spread of the 212 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:27.519 phillyoquay by Frankish missionaries. And everybody who's interested in these 213 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:29.960 topics should be aware. 214 00:13:29.639 --> 00:13:33.000 Of this issue. Hold on one second, hear it, man. 215 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:39.360 So let's be clear about this quote. It's very important. 216 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:43.240 It's about the middle of the doctrine or. 217 00:13:43.360 --> 00:13:43.879 Of the essay. 218 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.039 It says Photius knew, of course that the Roman Church 219 00:13:46.039 --> 00:13:49.360 had don't approved of the Frankish philioquay, but Frankish missionaries 220 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:53.879 had been sent into Bulgaria, and so this is the 221 00:13:53.960 --> 00:13:56.879 central all these stupid pop ups in this old s 222 00:13:57.240 --> 00:13:58.480 GeoCities website. 223 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:01.840 So let me put that quote. 224 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:07.600 Let's it's not gonna let me, it's not gonna let yeah, yes, 225 00:14:07.600 --> 00:14:07.960 here you go. 226 00:14:08.120 --> 00:14:11.080 Let me add this quote to the chat here. 227 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:14.159 So that you know this is legit, because this always 228 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:17.480 comes up in debates and people always have a. 229 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:17.960 Problem with this. 230 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:19.919 Actually, I don't think I can fit this whole quote 231 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:24.200 in the chat, so let me just screenshot this for everybody. 232 00:14:26.159 --> 00:14:26.559 Anyway. 233 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:29.240 So I apologize for interrupting you there, but let I'll 234 00:14:29.240 --> 00:14:32.279 want to let you continue then. So we've got the 235 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:38.840 attempt to utilize the church in a political sense under Charlemagne. 236 00:14:38.919 --> 00:14:42.440 So there is something to the critique of the Frankish power. 237 00:14:42.879 --> 00:14:47.519 Let's be clear about this quote here it is. Meyer 238 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:50.759 published a study of the Photian Council of eight seventy 239 00:14:50.840 --> 00:14:52.919 nine eight eighty, putting forward the thesis at the toditle 240 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:55.480 of the book was a successful. 241 00:14:55.039 --> 00:14:55.799 Council of Union. 242 00:14:55.919 --> 00:15:00.000 In this study, it concluded that a restoration of union 243 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:02.559 was needed for the convocation sent out of eight seventy 244 00:15:02.639 --> 00:15:05.000 nine eighty. More specifically at celebrated peace. 245 00:15:05.559 --> 00:15:08.080 Once more in the Church of God. But he went 246 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:08.639 on to. 247 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:13.759 Explain the basis of this unity with theological In his 248 00:15:13.799 --> 00:15:15.720 own words, this unity meant, first of all unity in 249 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:17.759 the same faith. Photios was a strong defender of the 250 00:15:17.799 --> 00:15:26.679 purity of doctrine. Indeed, where orthodoxy was concerned, Photios was 251 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:29.679 the true spokesman of the Byzantine bishops. Meyer goes on, 252 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:32.320 this is a Romancoulate writer. The West was also attached 253 00:15:32.320 --> 00:15:35.320 to the great value of the purity of faith, but 254 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:40.519 in fact concentrated more on the question of devotion to 255 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:43.159 the Sea of Rome. As a big shocker right the 256 00:15:43.159 --> 00:15:45.879 Senate of eight seventy nine eighty, the Father's care for 257 00:15:45.919 --> 00:15:48.639 the purity of doctrine emerged in the Horos, the formula 258 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:51.639 of that synod which they proclaimed. This horror cannot be 259 00:15:51.720 --> 00:15:57.039 understood as a dogmatic definition. But this is quoting the 260 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:59.159 romancolt God, but rather as a true expression of the 261 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:02.679 ecclesiastical feeling of the synod. It expressed by the conciliar 262 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:06.360 usage of the creed of the Niceno Constantapolitan production. There 263 00:16:06.399 --> 00:16:08.759 is no in other words, the one that was produced 264 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:11.639 at Naicino constant not the Nicene Creed without the. 265 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:13.120 Philique is what we're talking about here. 266 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:18.080 There's no doubt that Photios opposed the addition of the 267 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:21.080 philioquay to the creed on dogmatic grounds. It is in 268 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:23.559 his famous and cyclical to the Oriental Patriarchs that he 269 00:16:23.639 --> 00:16:28.320 complained about the addition by the Frankish missionaries working in 270 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:35.279 Bulgaria because he was he considered it theologically unacceptable. His 271 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:38.240 whole argument is based on the conviction that the addition 272 00:16:38.399 --> 00:16:41.039 undermined the unity of God. Exactly if you read the Mystagogy, 273 00:16:41.559 --> 00:16:44.799 this is still correct. We find by Saint Photios. We 274 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:48.320 find that the same reasoning in his Mysticgagia as yeah, 275 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:50.840 here he goes in his letter to the Archbishop of. 276 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:53.519 Aquileia. 277 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:56.320 Photios knew that the Roman Church had not approved of 278 00:16:56.320 --> 00:16:58.519 the Frankish Philioquay. So this is still in the period 279 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:03.960 when it's not yet a normative dogmatic issue in the West. 280 00:17:04.880 --> 00:17:08.480 It does eventually become a normative dogmatic issue, and it's 281 00:17:08.559 --> 00:17:12.039 later that we see the theology clarified, especially at the 282 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:17.680 Ceneta Blackernee, which codifies the Orthodox conception inconsistent harmony with 283 00:17:18.240 --> 00:17:20.920 the sixth and seventh Councils. In terms of the christology 284 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:23.119 and the iconography, this is where we get the essence 285 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:25.720 inergy distinctions is where we get uncreated energies in Christ. 286 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:28.920 That's what's continued into our synods, and then the Roman 287 00:17:28.960 --> 00:17:31.359 calitary Church goes its way. Anyway, I wanted to make 288 00:17:31.400 --> 00:17:34.000 that clear. So let's move on to the next section. 289 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:35.960 What do you have next for us in the history 290 00:17:36.000 --> 00:17:37.480 of the Francish Church. 291 00:17:39.039 --> 00:17:41.640 Oh well, so basically, yes, as orthodox, which would just 292 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:45.119 see that it started out well, it was the only 293 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:48.480 tribe that converted to Orthodoxy. But after Charlemaan's is a 294 00:17:48.480 --> 00:17:54.160 real shift. He basically uses the Visigothic system, and of 295 00:17:54.160 --> 00:17:57.799 course the Visigoths where being in Spain, they had the 296 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:00.640 things from the Toledo Console, including the few Aquay. So 297 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:04.440 at this point it's it's heretical. And then we start 298 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:09.680 to see the you know, the shift into the the Paschism. 299 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:15.359 So basically the Frankish Jewish was always pushing. It was 300 00:18:15.400 --> 00:18:19.160 always a pushing for more papacy. It was very involved 301 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:21.680 in the Crusade and things like this. You have also 302 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:26.920 all the strange devotion starting popping up with the Franks 303 00:18:26.960 --> 00:18:31.000 you had alive on this. We're gonna we're gonna talk 304 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:33.160 about this a little bit later when we talk about 305 00:18:33.160 --> 00:18:36.759 the actual devotions and and and with this, we start 306 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:39.400 to see, you know, at this point the Frankish empires 307 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:43.160 was sort of dismantled, and you start to see basically 308 00:18:43.200 --> 00:18:44.319 the rivals. 309 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:46.440 Which period is this which. 310 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:52.400 Okay, we're talking about high lages, high Middle. 311 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:54.440 Ages, I'm mid lagies, Okay, go ahead. 312 00:18:55.720 --> 00:19:01.400 Okay, So you'll have one center that will be the 313 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:04.680 Holy Born Empire Germany and another one which was which 314 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:08.720 is the remnants of East Francia, which became Friends and 315 00:19:09.319 --> 00:19:13.119 Germany when the road of more feudalism more the centralization 316 00:19:13.279 --> 00:19:17.039 of the time, and France went to the road of 317 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:22.480 centralization because feudalism failed very early, you know, with the 318 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:28.759 One hundred Years War and so on. And what we 319 00:19:28.839 --> 00:19:32.920 see is a consolidation of the power of the king 320 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:38.759 and the continuation of this idea of French the factocephally 321 00:19:39.839 --> 00:19:43.960 and you know, whereas the king of the Germans, Henry 322 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:49.400 the Fourth was you know, being called humiliated by the pope, 323 00:19:49.920 --> 00:19:53.400 you know at Canosa. Basically the Pope says that now 324 00:19:53.519 --> 00:19:57.359 you cannot choose your bishop's public ex communicate you, and 325 00:19:57.440 --> 00:20:02.680 excommunication then would be war, especially in a very decentralized state. 326 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:08.160 So the invested your controversy where the the poe will 327 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:10.559 now decide that the selection of bishops and this is 328 00:20:10.640 --> 00:20:12.400 not going to be in any way connected to the 329 00:20:12.400 --> 00:20:13.079 idea of the king. 330 00:20:13.160 --> 00:20:13.559 Correct. 331 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:18.680 Yeah, basically the idea that friends went the other way. 332 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:26.079 Like we see kings, for example, we see kings from 333 00:20:26.119 --> 00:20:28.680 the valwadynasty already starting. 334 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:30.519 To say that again and said a little bit slower what. 335 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:37.960 You will say. It's like the philip level and the 336 00:20:38.000 --> 00:20:42.440 Valwadina state already starting to want more simplization and they 337 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:45.400 do not want to be controlled by the pup even 338 00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:50.200 if it means refusing imperial titles. And that's when you 339 00:20:50.200 --> 00:20:54.039 you will have, for example, incidents give the papacy. If 340 00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:58.960 there was a king of Friends who basically sent a 341 00:20:58.960 --> 00:21:06.200 commander to attack a Pube to capture a pub. I 342 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:12.319 think this was led by Chevalier the Nogay, you will 343 00:21:12.359 --> 00:21:15.920 have this idea of more centralization and you will have 344 00:21:16.640 --> 00:21:22.000 a strong state institution that are here to control theology. 345 00:21:22.359 --> 00:21:25.200 And the University of Paris was exactly that. 346 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:28.519 So so I'm sorry, I'm still confused. So you're saying 347 00:21:28.559 --> 00:21:34.880 that that the French state power, which is embodied still 348 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:40.119 in Gallicanism, departs from the pope by wanting to continue 349 00:21:40.240 --> 00:21:47.640 to have the control of who's the bishops, right, yeah, correct, okay, okay, And. 350 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:50.319 You can see also through the Avignon papacy and so on. 351 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:56.720 So that's why there's the a yeah, yeah, this is 352 00:21:56.839 --> 00:21:59.000 this is is this idea you know, difficult to France 353 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:03.400 so well as Germany was being repted this friends try 354 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:06.400 to centralize their compromise, you know, like it's Catholicism, but 355 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:10.559 it's the state still. And that's where you can see 356 00:22:10.559 --> 00:22:15.400 that even even when French was nominally Catholic, they were 357 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:23.960 fighting against against papal primacy in exclusive powers to the book, 358 00:22:24.119 --> 00:22:27.440 and you can see it in Gallicanism later on, and 359 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:29.799 you can see it things that combat against the Jesuits, 360 00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:33.839 because the Jesuits were a papal tool try to infiltrate 361 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:36.119 trends and trans actually fought back. 362 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:37.599 So the art. 363 00:22:37.599 --> 00:22:39.920 So the idea here is that this is why the 364 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:44.960 Jesuits become a tool of the papal power to go 365 00:22:45.160 --> 00:22:51.839 into to basically subvert the French state power to bring 366 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:53.920 it back under or to actually to bring it under 367 00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:55.839 the full jurisdiction of the papers. 368 00:22:55.880 --> 00:22:56.359 That correct. 369 00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:00.960 Yeah, yeah, and that's what you'd see an it culminates, 370 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:06.559 you know, in this Gullican crisis one. 371 00:23:06.880 --> 00:23:08.000 I say, gotcha. 372 00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:12.880 So does this fit into the Council of v enn 373 00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:17.720 and the Frankish throne and the templars? Does that play 374 00:23:17.759 --> 00:23:18.039 into this? 375 00:23:20.359 --> 00:23:24.480 The templar very complicated matter because they used to be 376 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:29.160 very prevalent in France that there used to be this 377 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:33.920 This was with Philip Lebett. There was an agreement between 378 00:23:33.920 --> 00:23:37.680 the purp and the king to push them out and 379 00:23:37.799 --> 00:23:42.960 basically take their riches. Right, So yeah, I believe the 380 00:23:43.000 --> 00:23:46.440 pope was from the Anian this one particular. If I 381 00:23:46.480 --> 00:23:47.680 remember what I might be wrong. 382 00:23:48.359 --> 00:23:50.400 Okay, yeah, I'm not trying to get too sidetracked about 383 00:23:50.799 --> 00:23:54.759 Templar conspiracy. I'm just remembering that there was there were 384 00:23:54.759 --> 00:23:59.400 complaints about the fact that the the Frankish throne wanted 385 00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.160 there was a part of the Council of the end 386 00:24:04.240 --> 00:24:08.680 controversy relates to the Frankish power versus the papacy. That's 387 00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:14.279 part of the problem. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, Okay, so what 388 00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:16.119 do you want to take us next, So where do 389 00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:17.960 we want to go into the into the next period? 390 00:24:20.960 --> 00:24:25.119 The next period historically will be will be the end 391 00:24:25.119 --> 00:24:29.680 of Gelicanism and will be what's who I will use 392 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:36.519 as a basis with because yeah, I'll primarily use his sources. 393 00:24:36.720 --> 00:24:41.079 Okay, And this is this is Abbe GeTe who Vladimir GeTe, 394 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:46.200 who was a convert to Orthodoxy eventually, So if you 395 00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:49.559 don't know about he wrote a really good book on 396 00:24:49.640 --> 00:24:51.519 the papacy called The Papacy. 397 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:53.599 You can get this on Amazon. 398 00:24:53.680 --> 00:24:55.680 I recommend that it's one of the good books to 399 00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:59.279 read as a critique of the papacy, the famous convert here, 400 00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:02.640 So tell us about this. And I don't you've been 401 00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:04.519 saying that there's also a book that he's written on 402 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:06.839 Jesuits that we don't think is in English. 403 00:25:06.599 --> 00:25:10.160 Right, Yeah, I don't think it's available in English. And 404 00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:13.839 he wrote, basically his master magnum opus was a history 405 00:25:13.839 --> 00:25:16.680 of the Church. So basically Gette was part of this 406 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:24.759 French Gallican Church and he had the approval of the 407 00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:27.359 French Church, he had the approval of the king, and 408 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:31.960 he was mandated as an historian as well. All right, 409 00:25:32.599 --> 00:25:35.440 about the history of the Frankish Church and the history 410 00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:38.599 of the Church in general. And what's very funny is 411 00:25:38.599 --> 00:25:43.640 that his four first terms of the history of the 412 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:48.279 Church got accepted by a Vatican and after they get 413 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:51.200 put into the index. So whenever people tell you that 414 00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:55.880 gette you know it was not is that he was biased, 415 00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:59.559 that it was anti papers and stuff like this. You 416 00:25:59.680 --> 00:26:04.680 need to remember that the papacy actually actually accepted several 417 00:26:04.680 --> 00:26:08.200 of his books and he continued his work, he got 418 00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:14.759 put into the index, and and then the this crisis happened, 419 00:26:15.200 --> 00:26:16.440 the Vatican One crisis. 420 00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:21.960 So basically it was so so the papacy itself appreciated 421 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:25.200 his research and scholarship until the time of back in One. 422 00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:26.119 Basically what you're. 423 00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:31.200 Saying, until he stepped he stepped too far into his stories, 424 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:33.400 into his story. And he actually writes this in his book. 425 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:36.359 He said that I was put into the index for 426 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:41.720 the papacy claimed that I'm being too partial. I was 427 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:45.720 put into the index for not being honest officially, and 428 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:49.039 he said that I was too light on the papacy, 429 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:56.119 uh with for this and yes, it eventually became orthodox. 430 00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:58.640 If you know his story, call knowledge. 431 00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:03.039 What do you mean he was too light on the papacy. 432 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:05.480 He considered himself, you know, to have not gone far 433 00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:07.039 enough the papers. 434 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:08.400 He said it was too far, but he said I 435 00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:18.279 didn't go far enough. Yeah, okay, gotcha, Okay, go ahead, okay. 436 00:27:18.440 --> 00:27:21.640 So yeah, after this describes he went back and you know, 437 00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:26.359 if many all Catholics like he, he had correspondence before this, 438 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:28.960 and basically you need to under sense that Vatican won 439 00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:30.880 and it was supposed to be like a cry of 440 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:36.599 glory of the papacy. It was more for less breath 441 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:44.440 because it basically, I've destroyed a lot of traditional what. 442 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:46.920 Was the last breath batic in one itself? 443 00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:47.440 Was you mean? 444 00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:54.079 Yeah? Because it set them on the course that destroyed 445 00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:57.519 a lot of the traditional understanding. 446 00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:58.960 I see, it wasn't that. 447 00:27:59.119 --> 00:28:01.200 It wasn't didn't do and have a good quote that 448 00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:03.680 somebody put in the Discord the other day that something 449 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:08.839 like from now on, Roman Catholic apologetics will be nothing 450 00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:11.039 but trying to debate about the papacy. 451 00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:12.599 It wasn't that something. 452 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:14.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's from It's from the same book 453 00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:19.480 I put it there. So Dolinger was basically the equivalent 454 00:28:19.559 --> 00:28:25.559 the German equivalent Ignazan Dolinger of of GeTe. He became 455 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:30.440 an old Catholic and get became Orthodox and do Linger extensively. 456 00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:32.200 You know it was also an historian. He was part 457 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:36.279 of this historian Catholic historian. We rejected all this. He said, no, 458 00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:39.039 it doesn't match historically, and yeah he wrote this quad 459 00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:41.839 it's it's beautiful. He said that from known all the 460 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:47.200 art of theology performed by Roman Catholic theology will be 461 00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:52.480 about determining, uh, which level of infallibility the pope has 462 00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:56.039 in any statement. And he compares it to the Oracle 463 00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:00.119 of Delphi. It's the oracle of the tile. Like you 464 00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.200 need something, you don't need to look at audition, you 465 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:06.880 just ask him and see what comes out. So, yes, 466 00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:13.759 this was this great shock in even a traditional Catholicism 467 00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:15.920 in Europe. So what we need to understand is that 468 00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:22.000 a elegant one is actually is everything but traditional. And 469 00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:24.799 that's why you had most of the historian you rejecting 470 00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:28.920 the paper. Lawyers were fine, of course, that many many 471 00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:36.240 false document to use. Actually, Dollinger wrote extensively about the 472 00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:40.799 papist falsification. It tells you that basically you will have 473 00:29:40.880 --> 00:29:45.960 upwards of ten layers for a single quote of falsification 474 00:29:46.079 --> 00:29:49.599 anytime it mentions the failure quick anytime it mentions the 475 00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.160 primacy of bitter. So basically it's unusable. And you can 476 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:54.319 see it in the patology and the. 477 00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:57.480 Tona, which is unusable. Which thing. 478 00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:02.759 Basically, all the quotes Roman Catholic will send you all 479 00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:05.480 the so called patristic quotes and stuff. 480 00:30:05.240 --> 00:30:09.599 Like this, because there's the layers of including forgeries, there's 481 00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:13.160 layers of what jesuit interpolation is that what you're saying. 482 00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:16.759 You love the Dominicans, you will have the Jesuits you 483 00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.880 will have. And sometimes it's shocking, you know, sometimes you 484 00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:23.000 will literally see that there will be a little an 485 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:26.920 notation it was edity, so this was edited, and you say, 486 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:31.319 the original said this, but what's changed to be correct 487 00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:37.240 to the doctrine just crazy because it's literally admitting to interpolation. 488 00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:40.119 But sometimes you will compare, compare the Greek and the Latin, 489 00:30:40.359 --> 00:30:42.920 and you will have a whole paragraph just appearing out 490 00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:45.519 of nowhere in the Latin edition that it's talking about 491 00:30:45.519 --> 00:30:49.960 the philurequy, for example, And yeah, sadly, you know, when 492 00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:53.839 you look at Dollinger's work, it was a great Catholic historian. 493 00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.200 Most of the story. We can get most of the 494 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:03.119 manuscripts you can get get from the Vatican heavily into 495 00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:05.119 politic Really, it's very difficult. 496 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:10.200 I see, I see and all this, and you're saying 497 00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:14.920 that Geta noticed this, or many French writers have noticed. 498 00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:18.240 Who has kind of pinpointed the interpolations and this kind 499 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:21.519 of stuff. Who's who's noticed this? I mean, I know, 500 00:31:21.559 --> 00:31:22.079 you guys have. 501 00:31:23.319 --> 00:31:25.839 Most of the old Catholics, you have a lot of people. 502 00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:29.559 But Getty was really the foremost French afthting on. He 503 00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:32.759 was a great history and he saws the historical discrepancy, 504 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:37.599 and then he looked back into into Catholicism and then 505 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.640 he realized that, yes, of course it was Orthodoxy all along, 506 00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:47.160 this was the Church describing Matthew sixteen eighteen. And then 507 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:50.119 he looked back at his work, you know, as the 508 00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:54.359 history of the Church. He looked back at all this 509 00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:59.480 darkma history and he wrote about it from the Orthodox perspective. 510 00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:03.480 And that's when it becomes all clear. And we have 511 00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:08.240 him to think because the pin pointed specific heresies, He 512 00:32:08.319 --> 00:32:12.559 pin pointed specific historical events that do not match up, 513 00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.000 and he pin pointed the heavy influence of the Jesuits, 514 00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.319 and right now many texts are very difficult to find 515 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:21.680 that we can be glad because he was an historian, 516 00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:24.279 he was accredited, he had the approval of the king, 517 00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:27.640 he had the approval, he had full access to the 518 00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:32.160 Library of Blois, which was a huge Catholic library, and 519 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:35.200 he could wrote us all this about the heresies, about 520 00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:40.960 the prelate's devotions and about the heavy influence of the Jesuits. 521 00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:45.079 Interesting. That's why I'm okay, So what's next on your list? 522 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.000 I want to talk about the devotions? You know, the 523 00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.359 idea here was mainly to vindicate. 524 00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:56.400 Okay, and let me pracace us by saying so, basically, 525 00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:58.799 this relates to some of the criticisms that we've put 526 00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:02.400 out in the last several months, which is an old criticism, 527 00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:06.400 that is that what we see in the manifestations of 528 00:33:06.440 --> 00:33:10.920 devotion between Orthodox Theology and Roman Catholicism is very different. 529 00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:13.559 And there's a reason for that, particularly in the second millennium, 530 00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:15.799 the two churches go in different directions, and Orthodoxy of 531 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.640 course makes a big point to stress that our experience 532 00:33:19.640 --> 00:33:21.599 of God, we think is unified. We don't think that 533 00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:29.359 there's a different experience amongst say, monastics in Greece on 534 00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:32.480 man Athos, as opposed to the church fathers who had 535 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:37.079 the experience of God in the desert, you know, one 536 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:39.920 seven hundred years ago, the experience of the Light of 537 00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:43.319 God of Mount Tabor, all those types of things. Theosis 538 00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:46.400 as a process is unified, and that means we don't 539 00:33:46.440 --> 00:33:50.200 see the really weird out there, fringe, crazy stuff. And 540 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:51.880 this was something that really stuck out to me when 541 00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:54.720 I began to investigate Orthodoxy back in about two thousand 542 00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:57.039 and seven, when I was a hardcore trad Catholic, and 543 00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:58.839 I actually, you know, to be honest, I had some 544 00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.599 issues with the weirdness of some of the so called 545 00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:06.799 Saints of Rome Catholicism, specifically the women, specifically the flights 546 00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:11.440 of emotion that they talk about, the stigmata, the sexual imagery, 547 00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:14.599 and a lot of those things. And what eventually became 548 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.079 evident to me was the fact that in this I'm 549 00:34:17.079 --> 00:34:19.039 not saying this to distract from you. I'll want you 550 00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:21.880 to talk about your topics and the translations and all that, 551 00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:24.079 but one thing that stuck out is if you read 552 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:26.480 a cult Renaissance Church of Rome. He points out the 553 00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:31.960 fact that in the Renaissance papacy, you had a lot 554 00:34:32.000 --> 00:34:35.480 of usage of nudes, a lot of usage of things 555 00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:39.679 that like the Goddess isis being painted and used in 556 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:42.119 one of the papal apartments or something like that. And 557 00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:45.440 this is very especially Bernini, this is very prevalent. After 558 00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:48.079 you know, all this stuff is used in the Vatican. 559 00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.480 And to me this always stuck out as a tremendous 560 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:55.800 hypocrisy because of the trad obsession with mortal sins, and 561 00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.400 yet I can't go to the Vatican without having, you know, 562 00:34:58.519 --> 00:35:02.679 tiny little peepees on Renaissance people sticking out everywhere, and 563 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:07.400 giant boobies of chunky women everywhere, butts everywhere. So I mean, 564 00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:11.119 it's very absurd that this nude art is everywhere. But 565 00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:12.960 at the same time we're told about this, you know, 566 00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:16.719 absurd doctrine of mortal venial sins, which is not what 567 00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:17.760 first John's talking about. 568 00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:19.760 It's not a distinction between mortal and menial sins, by 569 00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:20.440 the way, anyway. 570 00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.159 So that with that in mind, that always stuck out 571 00:35:24.159 --> 00:35:26.159 to me as a problem. And so I think that 572 00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:29.239 Preluss is a much better example of explaining what's going 573 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:32.679 on here when we have Fassina Kowalska claiming that the 574 00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:35.320 host floats around the room to her and Jesus told 575 00:35:35.320 --> 00:35:38.719 her personally, you're my favorite of all the nuns. We're 576 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:42.840 basically boyfriend girlfriend. All this kind of absurdity which is 577 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:46.519 nowhere in an Orthodox spirituality at all. And the fact 578 00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:50.960 that Rome Catholicism accepts Orthodox spirituality in terms of unionism, 579 00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:54.639 which is just a plot actually to bring people back 580 00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:58.360 onto the dominance of the Roman bishop, shows that there's 581 00:35:58.360 --> 00:36:00.559 not a unified experience of God in the Realmian calogy church. 582 00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.840 You can't have this absurd sexual imagery and weird stuff 583 00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:07.719 being true and the stigmata being true at the same 584 00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.760 time as the stuff over here with Oh, but we 585 00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.159 also accept Palamism, you know, since we've made Palamas a 586 00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:18.360 saint in our unit it circles and we know accept him. 587 00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:21.280 None of that makes any sense. It's all completely contradictory. 588 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.840 And what it shows is that the evolution of dogma 589 00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:28.159 the umbrella of Rome is really just an umbrella of 590 00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:31.280 the power of the papacy, and we're seeing that unravel now. 591 00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:36.360 But so let's talk about those spiritual practices I remember, 592 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:39.239 you know, as finally it was. It was Larshae when 593 00:36:39.280 --> 00:36:41.400 I got a hold of Thank you to Father Moody 594 00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:44.599 for sending me the Larshae trilogy where he talks about 595 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:48.719 the healing of spiritual illnesses, and that to me really 596 00:36:48.760 --> 00:36:51.840 solidified the difference between the way that we view the 597 00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.559 body the way that we view the practices of asceticism. 598 00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:58.000 In the East, it's different than it is in the West. 599 00:36:58.039 --> 00:37:02.159 You're not flagellating yourself, you're not mortifying the body. The 600 00:37:02.199 --> 00:37:05.679 body is participating in theosis, and so that the purpose 601 00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:07.599 of asceticism is completely different. 602 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:09.639 So I'll let you have the floor now after my 603 00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:10.199 little rant. 604 00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:14.920 Okay, yeah, correct, So I will first start by addressing 605 00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:17.519 something a lot of people accuse us, you know, of 606 00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:21.960 hitting low and criticizing satans on We don't. We don't 607 00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:24.440 criticize the person. We just say that here's the devotions 608 00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.199 are not good and and yes we need to point 609 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:28.920 that out. And you know it's been down through the 610 00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:32.480 forms of meme and stuff like this, because not everybody can, 611 00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:37.039 you know, go on a theology debate and at some 612 00:37:37.199 --> 00:37:40.800 at some point people need to see I believe people, 613 00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:42.960 can you know I'm not appealing to emotion here, but 614 00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:47.280 people can feel what's right what's wrong, and we can 615 00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:51.159 and here we're gonna express didn't discuss, you know, the differences. 616 00:37:51.239 --> 00:37:53.559 But yes, I believe that this is a talking point. 617 00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:57.159 It's not eating low, it's not slendering. It's talking about 618 00:37:57.159 --> 00:37:58.880 this practices which exists. 619 00:37:59.000 --> 00:38:02.760 Just say hitting low, yeah, like a low blow. 620 00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:07.760 Yeah, okay, okay, Yeah, we've been criticized for this. It 621 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:11.960 is very interesting. And and yes, first of all, we 622 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.480 can see that Orthodox theology not the body, and this 623 00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:17.599 is not a book by lash, it's just a great, 624 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:21.079 great theology in the theology of the body. It just 625 00:38:21.119 --> 00:38:25.920 expresses the classic autogous point of view that believe in 626 00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:30.639 a fallen world, fallen nature, and all bodies actually healed 627 00:38:31.239 --> 00:38:37.199 by the Divinity. And we can see that it culminates 628 00:38:37.239 --> 00:38:44.760 in theosis, the theosis healing people and the light of Tabor. 629 00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:48.880 This is the ultimate mark of sanctity in Orthodox Church. 630 00:38:50.119 --> 00:38:52.360 And that's unified across the board. We don't think it's 631 00:38:52.360 --> 00:38:53.360 different for anybody. 632 00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:58.360 Yeah, and we for example, we we had a lot 633 00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:03.599 of Western Saint like John Cassion who actually was a Parlamite, 634 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:06.719 so to say like, yeah, they are part of this 635 00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:12.079 tradition of in this view of sanctity, and what we 636 00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:16.519 can see in Rome, especially after the schism, is that 637 00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:22.000 it's totally reversed. Like we we see the appearance of 638 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:27.960 devotional hurting, like it's not fasting, it's not, it's it's 639 00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:31.119 really hurting yourself, altering yourself. This is already against going 640 00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:36.519 against canons Canon twenty twenty four of Saint Basil. If 641 00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:40.280 I remember well forbids you know self harm is it 642 00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:42.960 basically says that it's on the same level as killing. 643 00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.800 You cannot you cannot hurt your flesh because you're fleshed 644 00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:52.079 participate of this. That's ale link to many things, you know, 645 00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.760 or we are buried, the belief in reincarnation, so on. 646 00:39:56.400 --> 00:40:00.760 And we see not only people like flash people that 647 00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.599 start to hurt them to want to experience pain, but 648 00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:11.079 we also see marks of sanctity that are alterations of 649 00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:14.199 the body and that are painful, you know. And we 650 00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:16.679 know that pain comes from the fault. It's not divine. 651 00:40:16.679 --> 00:40:20.360 It's not coming back to the original adamic state. It's 652 00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:23.360 not you know, the pain is the result of the fall. 653 00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:26.599 You cannot be divinized into a result of the fall. 654 00:40:27.760 --> 00:40:30.000 And that's exactly what the stigma is. And if you 655 00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:33.840 look at it, for example, the ones of Patrick Pierre 656 00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:39.920 very very noticeable, they look purulent, you know, some people 657 00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:43.400 purulent like basically some people even compared it to like 658 00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.440 it says it looks like her pies or it looks 659 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:48.800 like it looks like you s won't and it actually hurt. 660 00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:54.840 And this is a complete it's a completement version. And 661 00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:58.840 even if we look at earlier Catholic things, they were associated, 662 00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:04.320 you know, with motition, miracles, healing for example. 663 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:05.840 This is a great point. 664 00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:09.480 Yeah, we know that that there's gifts of healing according 665 00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:11.280 to Saint Paul, and there have been many healers. And 666 00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:14.320 then suddenly though in the Middle Ages, after we get 667 00:41:14.360 --> 00:41:18.000 this schism, the Roman Catholic Church begins to develop these 668 00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:21.119 very bizarre practices that this is a great point. That 669 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:25.719 seem to be obsessed with paying debts through pain, and 670 00:41:25.760 --> 00:41:27.719 I think we have to mention indulgences and the paying 671 00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:29.360 of debts too, because that's a big part of it. 672 00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.960 Even though the official Roman Cathology might not ultimately condone 673 00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:37.480 that although indulgences are a false doctrine, the idea is 674 00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.400 still there. That you're kind of paying for things, paying 675 00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:41.480 for temporal punishments. 676 00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:48.559 Yeah, it's one of the percent penal substitution theologic. So yes, 677 00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:53.639 you have these marks appearing, and that's very that's a 678 00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:59.000 total invention, and that's that's very we have to say 679 00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.679 the least. We're going to address some of the most 680 00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:06.119 famous ones, for example, Francis a Sisi and Francis a Sisi. 681 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:11.239 You know, we have father serp In Rose who acily 682 00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:13.760 wrote about this and he said that it can it 683 00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:16.960 can well be prolete, it can be fake, but you 684 00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:20.639 believe that there was some idea of you know, it 685 00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:25.800 being psychosomatic. And this is very much linked too. And 686 00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:28.400 we're going to talk about the Jesuits now very much 687 00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:32.000 linked to the introduction by many Jesuits of the idea 688 00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:36.320 of emotionality in this cult. So before the cult was 689 00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:41.639 removing your emotions, removing uh these things and you know, 690 00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:45.360 being ascended through the removal of emotions, you know, saying 691 00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.239 John Cassion called all these emotions spirits like the related 692 00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:52.639 to demons, like a whole set of little demons that 693 00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:53.800 can pull you down. 694 00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:55.519 Yeah, this is this is pretty key. I want to 695 00:42:55.519 --> 00:42:59.039 stress this. This is something that is in the debate 696 00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:03.159 between the barley Mite and Palamas, he talks about this 697 00:43:03.280 --> 00:43:06.840 very point where he says that the passions are not 698 00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:10.119 inherently evil in themselves per se, but what happens is 699 00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:12.800 that when we follow them in an inordinate way, it 700 00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:16.880 becomes demonic. And so what happens in asceticism, and the 701 00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:19.440 whole purpose of asceticism is self control, so that we 702 00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:23.039 can achieve a state where we're not dominated by our passions. 703 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:25.079 That's the whole point of this. And what you get 704 00:43:25.079 --> 00:43:28.199 here in this stuff is the inversion of that. And 705 00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:32.800 the man's psychology becomes inverted, and it becomes obsessed upon 706 00:43:33.119 --> 00:43:38.320 the sort of punishment of the body and the whereas 707 00:43:38.320 --> 00:43:41.800 you have a harmony between man's faculties in the process 708 00:43:41.800 --> 00:43:45.480 of theosis, this gets inverted and you get the dominance 709 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:48.159 of emotionalism. And that's what's so key to here, especially 710 00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:51.960 in these weird women saints who think that Jesus is 711 00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:53.840 saying that their boyfriend girlfriend stuff. 712 00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:57.159 Yeah, I'm going to come to that because women were 713 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:03.000 prime target, especially for Jesuits. So yes, basically we have 714 00:44:03.079 --> 00:44:07.719 the introduction of emotionality and suggest with a big part 715 00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:09.920 of this and for example, you know Saint Francis Assisi, 716 00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:13.599 and people as this started to picture themselves being crucified, 717 00:44:13.639 --> 00:44:17.639 taking the place of Christ. And that's why that's what 718 00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:24.360 Father Sefi Rose theorizes. Basically, they would it would be 719 00:44:24.400 --> 00:44:28.159 psychosomatic ones because they would have intense emotion in them 720 00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.320 all the time, and that at some point the body 721 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:35.599 would just accept, Okay, I have nails in the hands. Yes. 722 00:44:35.960 --> 00:44:40.679 And even though that that Filipino practice of doing this 723 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:43.400 to yourself and doing this on Good Friday is supposedly 724 00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:47.400 officially condemned, the point is that it's you're seeing these manifestations. 725 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:49.480 I'm not saying that the whole church is false because 726 00:44:49.599 --> 00:44:53.280 people who are villagers do these things that are not condoned. 727 00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:56.000 I mean that happens in any religion. But what I'm 728 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:59.159 saying is that these manifestations are happening because there actually 729 00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:02.360 is an around us anthropology and an erroneous doctrine of 730 00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:05.960 how to heal mankind in the Roman Catholic scheme. 731 00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:11.599 Yeah. Correct, And you have this idea of you know 732 00:45:11.719 --> 00:45:14.599 the fact that there is no more exclusivity, and this 733 00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:18.960 is probably because of a nestorianism. 734 00:45:17.639 --> 00:45:19.480 Because there is no more what you say that again, 735 00:45:20.920 --> 00:45:24.480 exclusivity in what sense. 736 00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:30.159 There's no more, for example, exclusivity of Christ as being divinized, 737 00:45:30.159 --> 00:45:33.800 because that's when you see a lot of prophecies being 738 00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:36.639 shifted from Christ to the Theotokos. 739 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:41.960 So basically everybody becomes a kind of Christ who can 740 00:45:42.239 --> 00:45:45.760 participate as a sacrifice, is what you're. 741 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:50.159 Saying, exactly, And that's what for example, if you look 742 00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:54.159 at what Loyola wrote, So the first Jesuit, the guy 743 00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:59.280 who funded the it's exactly this. He believes that he lived, 744 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.400 you know, physically with Christ around. He believes that he 745 00:46:04.599 --> 00:46:09.079 was anointed by the Father. And and the term used 746 00:46:09.559 --> 00:46:14.280 is associated vives the son. And that's why they took 747 00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:21.000 this the name Societa, Yes, the Company of Christ of Jesus. 748 00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:26.440 And they they really were into this historianism, and we 749 00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:29.800 can see it in at every step of the dogmas. 750 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:31.679 Oh wow, this is this is key, this is key. 751 00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:35.239 Let's let's highlight this. So you're saying. 752 00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:40.599 That there is an implicit sort of lurking nestorianism in 753 00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:45.719 this idea that there's not one soul son of God 754 00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:48.199 who's the divine person of the logos who took on 755 00:46:48.280 --> 00:46:53.440 human nature who's in hyposthetized. There's now the possibility in 756 00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:58.280 this mystical union of anybody becoming a participant in their 757 00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:01.039 own kind of little savior in this process of the 758 00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:04.599 crucifixion in their own life. And that's why everybody kind 759 00:47:04.599 --> 00:47:07.519 of takes it upon themselves to sort of induce a 760 00:47:07.679 --> 00:47:11.960 kind of self sacrifice. Almost, is that what you're saying exactly? 761 00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:12.800 That would a story. 762 00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:17.960 Not only that, you mentioned a lot of women Saint 763 00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:23.599 who who thought that basically Jesus was there a girlfriendfrid 764 00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:27.840 well whatever. Because of this, this removes you know, the 765 00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:30.199 idea of mystical marriage. And this was pointed out. You know, 766 00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:35.679 if the like Theresa Favilla, you know, women who got 767 00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:41.039 Catherine of Sienna ala Coq, which is really the worst offender. 768 00:47:41.800 --> 00:47:45.519 People who get like foal skin rings as a wedding gift, 769 00:47:45.519 --> 00:47:47.880 People who believe that there is a marriage to be 770 00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:52.880 arranged personally between them and Christ. This this is corrupting 771 00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:56.039 the idea of the mystical marriage of the Church of 772 00:47:56.119 --> 00:48:02.320 Christ into a into an exclusive personal marriage between one 773 00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:04.679 none and Chris y thing. 774 00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:10.280 So this is this little the error of Nestorianism and Christology. 775 00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:13.360 The same kind of error that would apply to the 776 00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:18.840 the tokos. It's being transferred over to the error in ecclesiology, 777 00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.239 that there's one mystical body of Christ, which is the 778 00:48:21.280 --> 00:48:24.440 whole Church, is now being transferred over into the mystical 779 00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:26.320 experiences of the individual saints. 780 00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:27.440 Uh. 781 00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.840 And it's being what's the word I'm looking for, it's 782 00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:36.079 overly sensual and it becomes this kind of weird sexualized thing. 783 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:40.480 Yeah, and I'm going to come to the civilized thing. 784 00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:48.280 So basically what what we see. Okay, I'm going to 785 00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:55.400 take writings by French French priests on the times it 786 00:48:55.559 --> 00:49:00.280 just started to pour in. Okay, this is what after. 787 00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:02.480 I'll probably talk about the Council of Trent first. So 788 00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:06.079 before we talk about all this, I know that there 789 00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:11.239 will be people who start to say that you'll have you, 790 00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:13.639 you can be a Catholic and not be Cheswich, you 791 00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.480 can you can do all this and not be ches 792 00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:19.639 which you don't have to accept it. It's just one company. 793 00:49:19.920 --> 00:49:22.800 It goes further than that, and we're going to go 794 00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.639 a bit later on. We're going to be go a 795 00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:29.679 bit further later on. If the implication of the Jesuit 796 00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:36.760 everything they did are powerful there, but the key in 797 00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:41.760 Catholicism because the leader of the Council of Trent was 798 00:49:41.920 --> 00:49:47.199 a Jesuit. It was the general of the Jesuit lanies. 799 00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.599 And this council is the basis of Roman Catholic dogma, 800 00:49:53.760 --> 00:49:56.280 so you can't really dodge it, you know. And it's 801 00:49:56.320 --> 00:50:00.639 at this point that they refuse the idea of a 802 00:50:00.719 --> 00:50:05.400 traditional considerasm. And there, of course, during this Council of 803 00:50:05.440 --> 00:50:09.880 Trent where basically this man Lany says that, well, you know, 804 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:13.519 the church and paraphrasing here of course before anybody is 805 00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:19.639 not translating, well enough, well you have people who want 806 00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:21.599 to come back to the Church of the Apostle, but 807 00:50:22.079 --> 00:50:24.320 there is a time and there is a need. That's 808 00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:29.400 what he said. So basically they acknowledge the fact that 809 00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:32.440 they were not following the traditional organization of the church. 810 00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:34.960 And in the same consult the declared that the church 811 00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:39.239 is the slave to the Pope, that the church that 812 00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:42.360 all the bishops are servants to the pope, which was 813 00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:43.199 not the case before. 814 00:50:43.880 --> 00:50:46.159 Yeah, by the way, just speaking just on this little 815 00:50:46.199 --> 00:50:48.320 side note, isn't it Captain of Sienna who says something 816 00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:50.280 like even if the pope is the devil, we must 817 00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:52.559 obey him. 818 00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:53.360 I don't know. 819 00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:55.239 Yeah, I think it's Captain of Sienna who has a 820 00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:57.239 famous quote about that that even if the Pope were 821 00:50:57.280 --> 00:50:58.880 Satan and he were to come to you, it's your 822 00:50:58.960 --> 00:51:01.000 duty to submit to the pope, even if you say it. 823 00:51:01.400 --> 00:51:03.360 Pretty funny quote. I mean, I know that's not calic, dog. 824 00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:05.039 I just want to throw that one in there. But so, yeah, 825 00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:05.599 so this is good. 826 00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:06.320 Sorry, go ahead. 827 00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:09.760 Yeah, And that's when you see that they start to 828 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.000 infiltrate a lot. So I will go on the politics 829 00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.000 side a little bit later. We're going to focus on 830 00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:18.000 the weird devotions a bit more. And and I'm going 831 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:22.599 to quote this uh uh, this French French priest Rucily 832 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:26.719 wrote writes about suggests and the infiltration most like most 833 00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:31.880 notably in the University of Paris, and he criticizes a doctrine. 834 00:51:31.920 --> 00:51:34.880 Hold one second something, before you quote that, I just 835 00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:36.760 want to let you know I'm not going anywhere. I'm 836 00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:38.719 going to step away just to pour more coffee. So 837 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:41.920 you do your quote and don't pay any attention to 838 00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:44.519 the fact that I'm stepping away. I'm still here. 839 00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:47.079 You really need to hear that, Okay, let's go. 840 00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:50.159 Well, no, but if I step away, some people, if 841 00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.280 you see me step away, people get distracted and they 842 00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.039 think I'm leaving or something. But so go ahead and 843 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:56.880 read your quote, because everybody's seeing the picture of Terresa 844 00:51:56.960 --> 00:51:57.320 right now. 845 00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:02.800 Okay, So he starts by criticizing their doctrine and then 846 00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:06.719 he says they are spreading into the people, especially among 847 00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:14.400 the women Catechism which is filled with some superstition that 848 00:52:14.440 --> 00:52:20.000 are here to enslave their mind. So here you can 849 00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.719 see that they already saw the primary target, and they 850 00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:29.360 already saw that through you know, removing the exclusivity and 851 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:36.280 through putting a lot of emotionality. There are prime targets 852 00:52:36.280 --> 00:52:38.920 in women. And that's when you see, you know, a 853 00:52:38.960 --> 00:52:44.480 lot of stigmat appearing, all these weird evotions appearing. And yeah, 854 00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:46.519 some of them were clearly in the Storian And we're 855 00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:52.760 going to talk a little bit about about Saint Mary 856 00:52:52.840 --> 00:52:54.159 Margaret Ala Cock. 857 00:52:55.360 --> 00:52:57.519 Okay, Yeah, this is a great point too, because yeah, 858 00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:00.000 and we want to keep the Nestorianism in mind, because 859 00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:01.440 it is going to be relevant when we get to 860 00:53:01.480 --> 00:53:06.039 the issue of a sacred heart, because the heart worship 861 00:53:06.079 --> 00:53:09.119 and the sacred heart stuff is a manifestation of what's 862 00:53:09.159 --> 00:53:14.000 explicitly condemned as an historian by the council's officers. 863 00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:14.880 So anyway, go ahead. 864 00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:18.760 So yeah, I'm going to read what's not read, but 865 00:53:18.800 --> 00:53:23.159 I'm gonna tell what's sweeten, especially about Maggie Mary Margaret 866 00:53:23.400 --> 00:53:27.320 Alacoque in Getta's book, and Getty had access to the 867 00:53:27.360 --> 00:53:29.880 original and the guy who wrote it was a father 868 00:53:30.119 --> 00:53:33.199 just with and he was sainted kind of nice simply 869 00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:33.960 because he wrote this. 870 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:40.440 I've been contradicted, you know, before we go into that, 871 00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:41.559 because there may be a lot of people in the 872 00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:43.719 chat who aren't familiar with this story. She's the one 873 00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:47.199 who claims that Jesus carved out her heart and put 874 00:53:47.239 --> 00:53:48.199 his heart in her right. 875 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:54.920 Yeah, yeah, So basically all this is serious information. I've 876 00:53:54.960 --> 00:53:58.719 been called many things for putting this forward. If you 877 00:53:58.760 --> 00:54:02.280 look at Catholic apologies to the website, they all contradict themselves. 878 00:54:02.320 --> 00:54:04.840 There's no primary sources. Is the closest thing we can 879 00:54:04.920 --> 00:54:07.119 get to the primary sources, and it tells us that 880 00:54:07.760 --> 00:54:10.719 some of the weird stuff might be in the future 881 00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:16.079 destroyed by sess regarding the method. So yes, the woman 882 00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:20.880 I thought she had a special relationship with Christ. She 883 00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:24.440 saw him appear to her at night in a room. 884 00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:27.519 A lot of the time, they would say, they discuss 885 00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:30.679 a lot of things, and here comes a weird devotion, 886 00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.800 you know, the devotion that involved blood, and that involves, 887 00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:38.760 you know, the reviving of old Frankish mythos. To just 888 00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:42.840 control the French polation better. 889 00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:47.280 So be real clear and elaborate that point. Why is 890 00:54:47.320 --> 00:54:55.519 this a reference to the old French mythosh. 891 00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.199 So you talk about this on the previous life. Basically 892 00:54:55.599 --> 00:54:57.920 Frankish Frankish. 893 00:54:57.440 --> 00:54:59.320 Hard worship, right, is that where you're getting at? 894 00:54:59.719 --> 00:55:01.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I would have the her worship and 895 00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:04.000 they would have a lot of bloody worship. They will 896 00:55:04.039 --> 00:55:07.159 have violence of blood of the saints. I believe the 897 00:55:07.199 --> 00:55:10.679 blood that some particularities the Franks, I believe there were 898 00:55:10.840 --> 00:55:15.280 different race almost at times, and there they will have 899 00:55:15.400 --> 00:55:18.280 a lot of focus blot and the judgment will use that. 900 00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:21.719 And you know that's what this French French priest he 901 00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:26.960 said that they are reviving, Uh, they are reviving superstitions. 902 00:55:27.679 --> 00:55:30.920 So the j are capitalizing on the superstition and basically 903 00:55:31.039 --> 00:55:33.960 kind of targeting women for this. That's what's key here. 904 00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:37.599 Yeah, yeah, and you see that she did a lot 905 00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.039 of crazy stuff, like she claims that after each time 906 00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:43.840 they met, she would do blood letting, which is also 907 00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:47.440 linked to the old Frankish tradition of you know, do 908 00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:52.639 blood letting of the meetings between lovers, if not sex. 909 00:55:53.719 --> 00:55:56.719 You will also have this, uh, this tradition no of 910 00:55:57.199 --> 00:56:00.119 taking the organs worshiping them, and that's the whole is 911 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:03.760 a sacred hurt. That's a that's this that she claims 912 00:56:03.760 --> 00:56:06.159 that the Christ just pulled the herd out of her 913 00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:11.039 chest and basically they switched. You will have you know, 914 00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:14.960 her carving her breast chest. 915 00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:17.639 Now, what would you say to somebody who says, just 916 00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:19.719 to play double's advocate, I don't think this. But what 917 00:56:19.719 --> 00:56:24.440 would you say, that's just a symbolic imagery. You're intentionally 918 00:56:24.960 --> 00:56:28.400 uh you know, misrepresent our saints. 919 00:56:30.679 --> 00:56:35.000 Well, I'm not, because you know, all these things were 920 00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:37.000 put forward, you know also in the context of the 921 00:56:37.000 --> 00:56:42.280 counter Reformation and this this stuff. You know, this physicality 922 00:56:42.639 --> 00:56:45.400 was here in clearer position. Do you know, the more 923 00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:50.639 means the less the new president of So they would 924 00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:53.280 do all they can to push the the emotionalities, they 925 00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:54.960 will do all they can to push the physicalities. They 926 00:56:54.960 --> 00:56:57.800 will do all they can to push you know, your 927 00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:01.519 tocos because yeah, you know, order to plan as a 928 00:57:01.519 --> 00:57:03.960 lot of Protestants, and for the longest time, as this 929 00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:07.880 was believed to be to be true, to to be 930 00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:11.119 actual miracles. And right now you see a lot of 931 00:57:11.440 --> 00:57:15.239 modern Catholics taking the Protestant wrote sadly and starting to 932 00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:18.719 deny the miracles. If I were oppose this kind of criticism, 933 00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:21.480 I would say that if you start denying your miracles, 934 00:57:21.840 --> 00:57:27.639 when we deny the transpartantiation in the Eucharist, is this 935 00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:29.159 we believed to be miracles? 936 00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:30.159 That's a good point. 937 00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:34.719 Yeah, I mean typically it's not interpreted as merely allegories 938 00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:39.039 or spiritual tales. I mean they're interpreted to be real 939 00:57:39.079 --> 00:57:41.880 miracles exactly. That's why they're saints. You can't be a 940 00:57:42.199 --> 00:57:45.239 saint in the real mechaolic scheme unless you've you know, 941 00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:47.400 done the vat can approve miracles. 942 00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:52.559 Exactly. And actually, when the when the stories about the 943 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:56.239 Holy Hurt were being translated into Italian, the Pope God 944 00:57:56.400 --> 00:58:00.119 is and on it and he immediately rejected it. The 945 00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:04.360 you know here theological leaders, right, and he he rejected it. 946 00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:09.400 And what it justit did was waiting for the next 947 00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:12.320 pop to come about, and they they started to push it, 948 00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:14.599 and I think they pushed it two more times until 949 00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:21.079 the pope eventually gave in and he said, okay, you 950 00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:24.559 you can have this devotion, even if it was forbidden before. 951 00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:27.920 You can have it, but it needs to be the 952 00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:30.880 allegorical hurt so the love of Christ. But of course 953 00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:33.719 they didn't. They didn't care, and even when it was 954 00:58:33.840 --> 00:58:39.320 previously forbidden, they would go around and sell little medals, 955 00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:43.360 little books and so on to popularize the myth around 956 00:58:43.360 --> 00:58:46.159 the population. Maybe they didn't hear of people infallibility at 957 00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:51.239 the time, but yeah. Basically they would go behind the 958 00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:55.440 back of the pope to further the dogma. And even 959 00:58:55.480 --> 00:58:58.079 though the suggests were usually allies of the pope that 960 00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:01.519 would like they are here to his own goals. 961 00:59:03.639 --> 00:59:10.639 So they were utilizing the superstitions to further their plans, 962 00:59:11.599 --> 00:59:15.199 and even under papal suppression, they still continued to do. 963 00:59:15.239 --> 00:59:17.159 This is what you're saying, And we should make another 964 00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:19.199 point too that part of the reason for this being 965 00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:23.840 a problem is the Jesuit idea of inculturation. If you're 966 00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:28.079 not familiar the Jesuit pross approach to missionary work was 967 00:59:28.159 --> 00:59:33.039 different than a lot of the other missionary approaches, both 968 00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:35.719 in the first millennium of the Church and in other 969 00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:39.280 orders like the Dominicans. The Jesuits really pioneered the idea 970 00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:42.119 of inculturation, which was the idea that you kind of 971 00:59:42.199 --> 00:59:44.599 just utilize a lot of the ideas that are in 972 00:59:44.639 --> 00:59:47.639 the existing culture. Now, everybody who does missionary work to 973 00:59:47.679 --> 00:59:50.639 some degree does some kind of inculturation. I mean, Herman 974 00:59:50.679 --> 00:59:53.400 of Alaska did versions of this where he would find 975 00:59:53.400 --> 00:59:56.960 what was good in the Aluit culture and so forth. 976 00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:58.880 So it's not that the whole thing is wrong, and 977 00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:01.639 the whole history of the Church, which is encounter with 978 01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:04.320 Hellenism for the first millennium and all the councils dealing 979 01:00:04.320 --> 01:00:10.480 with the Hellenic presuppositions, which the Fathers are very clear 980 01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:15.559 that the Christological heresies are all built on Hellenic dialectical presupposition. 981 01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:19.039 So I'm not trying to oversimplify it. But there is 982 01:00:19.079 --> 01:00:22.280 an aspect to which the Jesuit approach was unique because 983 01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:24.880 they were the most extreme when it came to trying 984 01:00:24.920 --> 01:00:31.480 to meld the Christianity with the existing culture, and so 985 01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:36.480 they would be the most pioneering of acumenism of all 986 01:00:36.480 --> 01:00:40.280 these different weird practices, and that's why it gets into 987 01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:44.039 the weirdness in the period that you're talking about, with 988 01:00:44.159 --> 01:00:48.599 the promotion of these devotions that would be in previous 989 01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:52.599 periods seen completely to be absurd. But in the Roman 990 01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:55.679 Catholic scheme this is justified by the fact that theology 991 01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:58.639 is always developing, it's always growing. It's a seed that 992 01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:01.960 grows into a giant tree, and that therefore justifies all 993 01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:06.960 of the innovations after the first millennium. 994 01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:10.159 Yeah, exactly, and we can go in a bit further, 995 01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:13.320 you know, there's some more points went to cover. So yes, 996 01:01:13.480 --> 01:01:18.119 there's this, there is this diversity of devotion and basically 997 01:01:18.159 --> 01:01:21.559 every every thing, every ideology, every people, every group of 998 01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:24.719 people will get their own specific devotion, even if it 999 01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:27.760 doesn't make sense. So you will get load for the French, 1000 01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:31.719 you will get Akita for the Japanese. All of them 1001 01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:34.639 are devotion of the Theotocos. You will even have the 1002 01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:38.440 Lady of All the Nations, which is a specific devotion 1003 01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:42.119 of the Theotokos, which was invented after after World War 1004 01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:46.639 two to promote you know, peace in the world. So 1005 01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:51.320 this is just you know, creating devotions, to be interesting, 1006 01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:55.119 to be relevant, to be hip. And again there is 1007 01:01:55.119 --> 01:02:00.920 this specification which is about again showing that there is 1008 01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:05.000 no more exclusivity. You know, the Theotokos is not only Theotokos. 1009 01:02:05.039 --> 01:02:08.960 She's also here to protect Europe, the European Union. She's 1010 01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:13.960 here to protect the Japanese specifically, French specifically some children. 1011 01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:17.880 And you have this. 1012 01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:21.800 She's being used as a geopolitical tool in in much 1013 01:02:21.920 --> 01:02:25.039 the same way as the Jesuits were utilizing a lot 1014 01:02:25.039 --> 01:02:32.639 of these these sort of superstitions as tools of their time, I. 1015 01:02:32.559 --> 01:02:35.199 Mean the emacular conceptions, so mode and stuff like this. 1016 01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:38.360 It was pushed by the Jesuits and some method as 1017 01:02:38.360 --> 01:02:41.960 the as the Sacred heard. You know, there was a 1018 01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.239 debate and they pushed it to make it very popular, 1019 01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:46.679 and the Pope was a bit endstiled at some point 1020 01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:48.760 because you would lose a lot of people if they 1021 01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:55.559 the united So so yes, there is again. 1022 01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:58.719 And let's not forget that the pioneers and Champions, along 1023 01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:01.480 with the Royal Society of both the Big Bang Darwinian 1024 01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:05.039 evolution and the rejection of creation and the Patristic doction 1025 01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:08.760 of creation and the Six Council's profession of faith about 1026 01:03:08.960 --> 01:03:11.880 creation has been none other than the Jesuits. I mean, 1027 01:03:11.960 --> 01:03:16.159 I know that typically Tahar dis Shardine is cited as somebody, 1028 01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:19.320 oh the Vatican censored him. Yeah, But now since he 1029 01:03:19.400 --> 01:03:21.800 was censored, the post Vatican two popes have all made 1030 01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:26.760 some very glowing, loving statements about the wonderful theology of 1031 01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:29.400 Tahard de Shardin. And what did I just post on 1032 01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:31.920 the Twitter this this week from Father Surfin Rose and 1033 01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:35.280 his magisterial book Genesis, Creation and Early Man was the 1034 01:03:35.360 --> 01:03:40.239 fact that Tahar de Shardin claims that he became convinced 1035 01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:44.199 of his evolutionary dogmas because he talked to the thing. 1036 01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:47.039 I am not joking. He literally claims to have been 1037 01:03:47.119 --> 01:03:50.840 walking in a desert talking to the thing literal John 1038 01:03:50.880 --> 01:03:55.440 Carpenter level theology, and the thing told him that everything 1039 01:03:55.519 --> 01:04:01.159 is material evolutionary flux, progressing towards the Omega point, the newosphere, 1040 01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:03.920 et cetera, et cetera. So here are the champions of 1041 01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:07.039 the rejection of the doctrine of creation none other than 1042 01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:10.400 the Jesuits. And so I've really been struck this last 1043 01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:12.280 week by the fact that, I mean I knew this 1044 01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:14.119 in the past, because I've read three or four books 1045 01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:17.800 on Jesuits over the last ten or twelve years. But 1046 01:04:17.920 --> 01:04:21.559 it's really struck me how instrumental they've been in pushing 1047 01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:25.880 fraud paleontology, particularly Tahart, who was present at many of 1048 01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:27.760 the paleontological frauds. 1049 01:04:28.159 --> 01:04:29.480 Pilt down Man, this kind of stuff. 1050 01:04:30.239 --> 01:04:35.159 They've been central in promoting Lemitra the Big Bang, which 1051 01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:39.000 is a secularized version. So the Jesuits are so interested 1052 01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:44.360 in culturation that they're even trying to water things down 1053 01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:48.239 for all the atheists, right. And what we noticed this 1054 01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:53.360 week as well was that the natural theology propositions and 1055 01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:57.360 Aquinas's acceptance of death existing before the fall, it's only 1056 01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:00.880 natural in Humani generis, Pope Piesta twelve wealth would so 1057 01:05:01.079 --> 01:05:08.239 easily accept theistic evolution. This is what natural theology is 1058 01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:10.639 a big part of this. And natural theology is just 1059 01:05:10.760 --> 01:05:14.280 part and parcel of this overall Nestorian doctrine that you're 1060 01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:16.880 talking about. That the Jesuits are really pioneering here because 1061 01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:20.480 it's a Nestorian, because perennialism is a Nestorian. In fact, 1062 01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:24.599 you can go look up that Perennialist James Custinger, he 1063 01:05:24.679 --> 01:05:26.599 has a talk where he said that they ask him 1064 01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:29.719 why did you become why did you move away from 1065 01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:33.400 Orthodoxy towards perennialism, And he says, because Jesus is just 1066 01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:38.199 an avatar of this overriding God that we can all 1067 01:05:38.480 --> 01:05:41.639 experience and all be a part of. That's an Nestorian. 1068 01:05:41.719 --> 01:05:45.599 He literally says, Jesus is a human person and the 1069 01:05:45.760 --> 01:05:50.280 son of God. Is this mystical experience across all the religions, 1070 01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:55.480 and that's why that's the secret, you could say, to Nestorianism, 1071 01:05:55.599 --> 01:05:58.719 to all the hermeticism, that's the secret to this garbage 1072 01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:03.440 of Tahart and the Jesuit Is this undergirding Nestorianism that 1073 01:06:03.480 --> 01:06:05.920 you pointed out, This is this is devastating. 1074 01:06:07.079 --> 01:06:09.760 Yeah, there's also some healthy level of originism. You know, 1075 01:06:10.239 --> 01:06:13.400 the idea of Christ as returning as a spherical form. 1076 01:06:14.519 --> 01:06:15.480 Yeah, right, the body. 1077 01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:19.159 It's not an actual body, it's the higher spherical form 1078 01:06:19.239 --> 01:06:22.159 that we're all transformed into in the resurrection. 1079 01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:28.840 Yeah. I just wanted to cover one or two more topics, 1080 01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:30.760 not directly to the jugement, and then we'll switch to 1081 01:06:30.880 --> 01:06:36.159 the very political idea of the Jesuits. But when it 1082 01:06:36.239 --> 01:06:39.800 comes to the theology of the body, we can also 1083 01:06:39.880 --> 01:06:43.840 see discrepancies. So we talked about the sigma. First of all, 1084 01:06:43.880 --> 01:06:48.840 this little football thought. It is a painful mark that 1085 01:06:49.079 --> 01:06:54.280 appeared mystically on people that made them recognizable, and it 1086 01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:58.960 was after the schism. It sounds eerily similar to the 1087 01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:02.440 mark of kine, you know, stually, the fact that it's visible, painful, 1088 01:07:02.880 --> 01:07:06.920 and things like this just foot for thought and and 1089 01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:10.599 I want to touch really quickly and the idea of interruption, 1090 01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:14.400 because the idea of interruption is also different, it has 1091 01:07:14.480 --> 01:07:19.559 been altered. And so interruption basically is the idea that 1092 01:07:20.199 --> 01:07:22.960 people that have been touched by the spirit, saints and 1093 01:07:23.360 --> 01:07:26.199 people like this, their body will not corrupt, they will 1094 01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:32.719 not decay as preparently or as passed. And this has 1095 01:07:32.760 --> 01:07:39.239 been observed in Orthodoxy for quite a while. And what 1096 01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:45.079 we can see is the is that the Catholic, especially 1097 01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:48.079 the New Saints, the very popular one is they are 1098 01:07:48.119 --> 01:07:50.679 trying to cover it. So for example, if you look 1099 01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:53.800 at an Orthodox incorrupted saying, you will see, for example, 1100 01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:58.920 since spirital since Spiriton is currently residing on the island 1101 01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:03.079 of Corfe, and so he was a father parcipate as 1102 01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:06.920 the Council of Nicea. So that's very early, and they 1103 01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:09.880 he basically looks like a mummy, but he's still you know, 1104 01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:14.039 supple is flexible. His skin doesn't break, and things like this. 1105 01:08:14.599 --> 01:08:18.279 It doesn't it doesn't look pretty, but it's it's interrupted. 1106 01:08:18.560 --> 01:08:21.600 It's not you know, the French is not rotting and 1107 01:08:21.760 --> 01:08:24.239 things like this. This is interruption. Actually you can you 1108 01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:26.840 can go there sometimes sometimes of the year and they 1109 01:08:26.880 --> 01:08:29.079 will give you relics of him. You know, they would 1110 01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:31.840 just change his clothes and and give you your relics 1111 01:08:31.880 --> 01:08:34.239 of him. I think my girlfriend has even got one 1112 01:08:34.279 --> 01:08:35.960 from there, which is very cool. 1113 01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:36.079 You know. 1114 01:08:36.159 --> 01:08:38.840 That's another way to be connected. Previ at the Kubi 1115 01:08:38.920 --> 01:08:42.920 may and and in the meantime you will see in 1116 01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:48.760 the Catholic Church, for example, for the the Lord Revelation. 1117 01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:55.640 So it's it was Bernardette Subiru, which is so a 1118 01:08:55.720 --> 01:08:58.119 miracle that confirmed the dogma, which is also something very 1119 01:08:58.159 --> 01:09:01.039 interesting because miracles start to from dog mouse starts to 1120 01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:04.039 confirm that the pope is right, which is very interesting. 1121 01:09:06.239 --> 01:09:09.760 She she was believed to be in corrupted and they 1122 01:09:09.840 --> 01:09:14.039 basically put a layer of wax on her face and 1123 01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:18.479 claimed yeah, she's corrupted and and things like this, and 1124 01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:25.039 when they exhubit, they realized that she wasn't, so they 1125 01:09:25.039 --> 01:09:29.000 actually had to redo the wax thing, or actually they 1126 01:09:29.039 --> 01:09:31.359 did it just after. But the idea is that no, 1127 01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:36.319 there is not even there's not anymore the thissunderstanding of incorruption. 1128 01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:40.520 You know, incorruption must be spotless. It must be you know, perfuction, 1129 01:09:40.680 --> 01:09:47.880 it must be ah ah yeah, it must really imitate life. 1130 01:09:47.960 --> 01:09:52.199 It's not showing something particular, it's it's it's aping it. 1131 01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:55.840 And we can see it with Pard Pierre as well. 1132 01:09:56.279 --> 01:10:04.439 Pard Pierre, you know, he's got a very h is 1133 01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:06.800 animated in the church and you can see it basically 1134 01:10:06.840 --> 01:10:10.279 looks like a snow white is in a glass coffin 1135 01:10:10.720 --> 01:10:14.239 and in there he's got a silicon mask on his face. 1136 01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:18.840 So no, there is this theology of the flesh of bodies, 1137 01:10:18.880 --> 01:10:23.840 a blood, bloody devotion push off. The Roman Church cannot 1138 01:10:23.880 --> 01:10:25.279 given snowashing. 1139 01:10:27.039 --> 01:10:30.880 Yeah, that's funny. He does look like snow white. 1140 01:10:30.880 --> 01:10:36.119 That's funny. Yeah. Yeah. There is this idea of the 1141 01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:38.479 contactcept interruption is they need to if you think it, 1142 01:10:38.640 --> 01:10:40.159 they need to cover it to mask it. And of 1143 01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:42.279 course he shows intent and things like this. 1144 01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:44.239 Now, this is kind of new to me because I 1145 01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:47.239 never really paid attention to this aspect. I didn't go 1146 01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:49.960 see you know, Patrick Pio or anything. And do Roman 1147 01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:53.800 Catholics try to defend a silicon mask or do they 1148 01:10:53.840 --> 01:10:56.439 say it doesn't exist or you're just making that up 1149 01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:58.399 or what's the usual response to this? 1150 01:10:59.760 --> 01:11:01.960 Oh, you will have a lot of responses. You know, 1151 01:11:03.159 --> 01:11:06.760 basically it's I don't know what the official stance is 1152 01:11:07.319 --> 01:11:09.880 that you know, if it really was was not a problem, 1153 01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:14.560 why why put a silicon mask on you? So you 1154 01:11:14.720 --> 01:11:17.279 have a lot of people who say is incorrupted. For example, 1155 01:11:17.399 --> 01:11:20.600 Vi Bernard and Subiru. They had to retract the claims 1156 01:11:20.640 --> 01:11:24.439 of interruption, I believe because they realized she was not interrupted. 1157 01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:27.439 You know, even behind that works. 1158 01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:32.920 Really, so yeah, they retracted incorrupt incruptibility on Bernadette. 1159 01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:35.199 I didn't I didn't wrong. I just didn't know that. 1160 01:11:37.720 --> 01:11:40.199 I should look it further. But basically, there were there 1161 01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:44.000 were claims, and there were it was confirmed that yes, 1162 01:11:44.039 --> 01:11:47.960 her body did corrupt. And that's what you see is 1163 01:11:48.000 --> 01:11:50.439 the whole theology of the body is a full inversion, 1164 01:11:50.560 --> 01:11:52.960 and you know, sometimes it's going the other way around. 1165 01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:56.520 Sometimes it's it's pushing as far as possible, and we 1166 01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:58.680 didn't have that in the West originally. You know, I 1167 01:11:58.760 --> 01:12:00.840 come from as Us in a very important sayings there. 1168 01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:06.039 You come from where from basically a region. 1169 01:12:05.800 --> 01:12:08.680 Of friends, and they have once we have they were 1170 01:12:09.079 --> 01:12:13.960 as yeah, and we had this thing. For example, Saint Adelia, 1171 01:12:15.000 --> 01:12:17.279 the first miracle was that she was born blind and 1172 01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:22.760 she was cured for healed of blindness. It was all 1173 01:12:22.800 --> 01:12:26.119 about healing. And then you start to see things. 1174 01:12:25.920 --> 01:12:26.159 Like this. 1175 01:12:28.079 --> 01:12:32.279 New kind of miracles. There is this still today. You 1176 01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:35.840 will see people being very product The euchary is bled. 1177 01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:40.199 The euchar is blood, and we have say we've blood 1178 01:12:40.239 --> 01:12:42.000 that coagulates and decoagulates, and. 1179 01:12:42.640 --> 01:12:43.239 Well it doesn't. 1180 01:12:43.520 --> 01:12:45.720 There's one of those where they actually claim that Jesus 1181 01:12:45.800 --> 01:12:48.600 is blood like you know, like it returns. And there 1182 01:12:48.680 --> 01:12:50.800 was a priest who supposedly wrote a book because he 1183 01:12:50.840 --> 01:12:52.960 did a DNA test on the blood. He was going 1184 01:12:53.039 --> 01:12:55.680 to find out Jesus DNA from this. 1185 01:12:57.000 --> 01:12:58.920 There were they will claim. You know, it's very old, 1186 01:12:59.000 --> 01:13:04.079 that commune way. First you know that it's been attested 1187 01:13:04.159 --> 01:13:05.760 for a very long time. But we know that they 1188 01:13:05.800 --> 01:13:10.720 didn't have been used as zoom as bread. Yeah, after 1189 01:13:10.800 --> 01:13:11.439 all the claims. 1190 01:13:11.560 --> 01:13:12.279 That's a good point. 1191 01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:16.359 So, yes, this fixational blood and I think ultimately when 1192 01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:18.560 you talk about ron Catholic and I will end on that. 1193 01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:20.520 You know, for the. 1194 01:13:22.239 --> 01:13:26.079 For the weird devotion, people can feel at some point, 1195 01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:29.039 you know, they can feel that, Okay, we're not seeing 1196 01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:31.720 the glory of God. We are trying to marry more 1197 01:13:31.800 --> 01:13:36.760 than anything else we are. We are not seeing as glorious. 1198 01:13:36.800 --> 01:13:39.439 We're seeing Him as you know, in pain. There is 1199 01:13:39.520 --> 01:13:44.319 statues with blood painting on it. The human aspect is 1200 01:13:44.479 --> 01:13:48.279 very much brought forward because of course there is latent assurnism. 1201 01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:52.359 It's a very mutagenic topma. You know, it's it can 1202 01:13:52.560 --> 01:13:55.439 fly under the radar because you know, it's trinitarian. Christ 1203 01:13:55.600 --> 01:13:58.439 is still God. But at the same time it allows 1204 01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:01.039 for a lot of yeah, personal stuff. 1205 01:14:02.359 --> 01:14:04.439 Yeah, that's a great point. Ultimately, Yeah, we want to 1206 01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:06.600 highlight the Nestorian aspect of this, which is good. 1207 01:14:07.279 --> 01:14:07.840 That's really good. 1208 01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:10.039 And I when I go further on then Asturianism, and 1209 01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:14.760 I'm gonna start a part in the Jesuit purely the Jesuits. 1210 01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:18.760 I like to attribute you know, Messianic prophecies to other people. 1211 01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:22.359 Basically everything about the rock in in the Old Testament 1212 01:14:22.439 --> 01:14:23.439 will be a beer of. 1213 01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:26.079 Yeah, they're not fulfillments of Christ. It's everything is about 1214 01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:26.840 Peter exactly. 1215 01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:30.760 Yeah, you will have you know, the crushing the head 1216 01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:35.840 of the snake, which is all about the Theotokos, not 1217 01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:40.319 not the Messiah. And they even start to attribute themselves 1218 01:14:41.439 --> 01:14:47.560 as the Jesuits prophecies. For example, there's a prophecy of 1219 01:14:47.920 --> 01:14:54.960 yes Issaiah which says that I don't remember exactly if 1220 01:14:54.960 --> 01:14:57.000 it's it's It says something about being nurtured by the 1221 01:14:57.119 --> 01:15:02.239 state and Hu sucking on the breast of the gentiles, 1222 01:15:02.319 --> 01:15:05.439 you know, the kingdoms and so on. And they said, yes, 1223 01:15:05.520 --> 01:15:07.119 this isn't the book. 1224 01:15:07.279 --> 01:15:08.720 Yeah, I know the prophecy. I think it's I think 1225 01:15:08.760 --> 01:15:11.800 it's as the forty two or forty five, and yeah, 1226 01:15:11.800 --> 01:15:14.920 it talks about the conversion of kings to the church. 1227 01:15:16.359 --> 01:15:21.279 Yeah. And they basically claim that this prophecy applies to 1228 01:15:21.399 --> 01:15:26.039 them as the associat I used to buy itself because 1229 01:15:26.119 --> 01:15:28.920 they they had friends in high places, because they were 1230 01:15:29.000 --> 01:15:32.640 helped by the friends. This isn't the first the books 1231 01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:35.479 that basically record the just with history of the first century, 1232 01:15:36.720 --> 01:15:38.880 they're talking about all this. So they start to attribute 1233 01:15:41.439 --> 01:15:46.760 prophecies to the company itself, which is very interesting, and 1234 01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:51.399 we can see that really quickly it became a church 1235 01:15:51.399 --> 01:15:55.000 inside the church. And for example, you will have them 1236 01:15:56.319 --> 01:15:59.399 come to the University of Paris, which I mentioned before, 1237 01:16:00.439 --> 01:16:04.359 and several times they would go into trial, you know, 1238 01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:10.000 to to claim they basically claim university chairs and this 1239 01:16:10.079 --> 01:16:12.199 is the University of Paris was like, okay, we can 1240 01:16:12.279 --> 01:16:15.039 do that, but you need to specify what are you? 1241 01:16:15.520 --> 01:16:17.920 Are you laity, are you a monk? Are you a priest? 1242 01:16:18.479 --> 01:16:23.279 What's going on here? And they played on this. They 1243 01:16:23.359 --> 01:16:28.279 played on the fact that the Jesuits are organized, there 1244 01:16:28.359 --> 01:16:31.880 is a solid core and then there's everything that that's 1245 01:16:31.960 --> 01:16:36.800 gravitating around it. And they would actually use these status 1246 01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:40.680 you know, in many of their operations, and that's all. 1247 01:16:40.720 --> 01:16:44.520 They will push people. They will push people in high 1248 01:16:44.520 --> 01:16:46.840 places and sometimes they were not even they did not 1249 01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:49.920 even have such adult of charge. And we can see 1250 01:16:49.960 --> 01:16:56.039 that there were paper balls. So I'm gonna name the balls. 1251 01:16:56.680 --> 01:17:04.479 It's Regimini Bilitantiscleasia, which is the first one exposit deby 1252 01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:11.640 two and these two balls basically said that from none 1253 01:17:12.279 --> 01:17:15.439 the Jesuits will have free reign whenever they come to 1254 01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:21.439 a place. Uh, the bishop bishops have to conform to them. 1255 01:17:21.920 --> 01:17:26.600 They cannot be excommunicated. They need to be listened to. 1256 01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:29.159 When it comes to theology. They have the right to 1257 01:17:29.239 --> 01:17:33.039 absolve people, so they basically they have the sussible to 1258 01:17:33.279 --> 01:17:36.159 charge even when some of them are just lated. They're 1259 01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:40.840 not priests. And you can see here one of the 1260 01:17:40.920 --> 01:17:46.760 fulfillment of the Trulo Council, the Truelo Console for bids. 1261 01:17:47.319 --> 01:17:53.520 You know, congregation congregations that are that are following specific rules, 1262 01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:56.640 so orders of people and yes. 1263 01:17:56.840 --> 01:17:58.600 Let's make that point. Let's make that point here. 1264 01:17:58.720 --> 01:18:02.479 So Trollo the Quinness Council is important because it was 1265 01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:05.800 accepted at Nicia too. So this is an earlier almost 1266 01:18:05.840 --> 01:18:09.960 ecumenical council that eventually does get and receives ratification at 1267 01:18:10.039 --> 01:18:13.760 NICEA two the seventh Ecamenical Council, and the Roman Catholics 1268 01:18:13.880 --> 01:18:17.520 typically will admit that, but they'll just rebut by saying, oh, 1269 01:18:17.640 --> 01:18:20.760 but the Pope, because of his supremacy, can go back 1270 01:18:20.800 --> 01:18:23.199 through and pick out the fur four canons of Trollo 1271 01:18:23.279 --> 01:18:25.239 that he doesn't like, and that's why they don't hold it. 1272 01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:27.800 This because Trollo also says there should be married clergy, 1273 01:18:28.600 --> 01:18:30.640 and the Roman Catholics respond by saying, well, yeah, but 1274 01:18:30.680 --> 01:18:32.520 the Pope just decided that that's that's not true. So 1275 01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:35.520 they're doing the same thing here with the religious orders. 1276 01:18:35.640 --> 01:18:39.000 That's why there's not all these different crazy orders and Orthodoxy. 1277 01:18:39.079 --> 01:18:42.000 There's no Franciscans and Carmelites and all that. There's just 1278 01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:43.720 monastics or not. 1279 01:18:45.319 --> 01:18:50.399 Yeah, yeah, and yeah yeah. So basically, Trullo so that 1280 01:18:50.600 --> 01:18:52.720 if you start to make orders the specific rules and 1281 01:18:52.760 --> 01:18:54.319 people that are sworn to each other. 1282 01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:55.880 Yeah, it's like secret societies. 1283 01:18:55.880 --> 01:18:59.319 Basically, it will end up in secret society. It basically 1284 01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:03.479 said that since secret societies are crime already, let's make 1285 01:19:03.880 --> 01:19:09.560 things that becomes secret society anathema. That's basically what said. 1286 01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:14.000 So yes, so they started to organize them stuff, and 1287 01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:17.119 they got a huge reach because that very specific method. 1288 01:19:18.000 --> 01:19:20.399 So first of all, they came about in a time 1289 01:19:20.479 --> 01:19:23.800 where you know, monastic orders were not doing so well. 1290 01:19:24.039 --> 01:19:28.520 The Pope had finished these cruiseades against the mystics, and 1291 01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:32.399 at the same time you had gone to Reformation coming in. 1292 01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:36.760 So the Jesuits were very effective because there they were 1293 01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:40.640 organized as an army Loyola used to be a military 1294 01:19:40.720 --> 01:19:43.920 man as they took control of a lot of stuff. 1295 01:19:45.239 --> 01:19:49.720 And for example, we have many many instances of them antagonizing, 1296 01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:54.600 antagonizing the present population, even even through dogma. You know, 1297 01:19:54.880 --> 01:19:56.640 the concelt of Trent was that. But as Jesuit and 1298 01:19:56.720 --> 01:19:59.399 there is there is all these things to to push 1299 01:19:59.439 --> 01:20:03.319 against the plant, to further the split between the Presistants 1300 01:20:03.920 --> 01:20:06.560 and the Catholic That's when you see start to see 1301 01:20:06.640 --> 01:20:09.279 like a lot of focus on the course because the 1302 01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:12.640 president ate it and so on. It communicated in massacres. 1303 01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:17.079 You have massacres for example in Portugal, whether the Jesuit 1304 01:20:17.119 --> 01:20:22.560 would just come in antagonize the population, gets pre made 1305 01:20:22.600 --> 01:20:27.399 absolution and just lead mobs of people to the Protestants. 1306 01:20:28.560 --> 01:20:31.279 You have stuff like this in Poland. In Poland, there 1307 01:20:31.359 --> 01:20:35.239 used to be this. In Poland was very Central Europe. 1308 01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:39.720 There were between there were Catholic, but they were between 1309 01:20:39.800 --> 01:20:45.199 the president German states and between Orthodox the Slavic Orthodox 1310 01:20:45.279 --> 01:20:48.520 nations and that really great king. At some point we 1311 01:20:48.680 --> 01:20:53.720 proclaimed religious freedom. I'm not saying Prestin is the school. 1312 01:20:53.760 --> 01:20:55.880 I'm not saying we should not fight against it in 1313 01:20:56.039 --> 01:20:58.920 any capacity, you know, especially from the Roman Catholic side 1314 01:20:58.920 --> 01:21:03.079 of things. But this thing will proclaim Rich's freedom. And 1315 01:21:03.560 --> 01:21:08.680 as soon as he died, the Jesuits started to push 1316 01:21:08.760 --> 01:21:13.439 for I think it was Henry's Henry the third, so 1317 01:21:13.680 --> 01:21:19.560 Duke of Andrew, and they excited him into just attacking 1318 01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:26.520 and antagonizing Orthodox and president that when you see the path, 1319 01:21:26.800 --> 01:21:30.640 the political path of Poland, but was still at this 1320 01:21:30.720 --> 01:21:34.079 point because the antagonist the president and the Germans and 1321 01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:36.399 the orthodox in the Russians, and you know, this nation 1322 01:21:36.960 --> 01:21:40.680 later on was crushed several times between these two nations 1323 01:21:40.960 --> 01:21:44.920 because of political actions like this, and even today, you know, 1324 01:21:45.199 --> 01:21:49.359 you'll have a lot of you know, traads claiming, yeah, 1325 01:21:49.399 --> 01:21:53.479 Poland is this very rad thing. It's it's a traditional 1326 01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:56.720 Catholicism first of all, in the way they expressed their religiousity, 1327 01:21:57.520 --> 01:22:00.960 it's kind of similar to Orthodoxy because a Slavic component, 1328 01:22:01.239 --> 01:22:06.560 every Slavic, every slav people are to some exchange sons 1329 01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:12.000 and daughters of Sarah and Methodius. And you know, Polish 1330 01:22:12.039 --> 01:22:14.760 people should be proud of this because this actly destroys 1331 01:22:14.760 --> 01:22:17.680 the country two times. There's actually had some good things 1332 01:22:17.720 --> 01:22:20.680 going on before in terms of really stories. Yeah, it 1333 01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:24.000 was even famously the only country which did nothing against 1334 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:27.840 the Jews. So the main idea is that anywhere the 1335 01:22:27.960 --> 01:22:32.840 Jews the Jesuit would come, it would be a mess. 1336 01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:36.640 And that a second well, this is interesting because this 1337 01:22:37.279 --> 01:22:40.920 completely flips, you know, by the time of the twentieth 1338 01:22:40.960 --> 01:22:44.119 century with John Courtney Murray and the Jesuits that were 1339 01:22:44.359 --> 01:22:46.239 very influential at Vatican two. 1340 01:22:47.000 --> 01:22:49.279 Uh, you know, even even the. 1341 01:22:49.319 --> 01:22:52.720 Fake trad like Malachai Martin kind of he details all 1342 01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:56.399 this at Vatican two and the different peritis periti that 1343 01:22:56.560 --> 01:22:59.520 were consulting at Vatican two. Malchai Martin was consultant with 1344 01:22:59.560 --> 01:23:02.520 Cardinal and then we have John Corney Murray being the 1345 01:23:02.680 --> 01:23:08.279 champion of religious liberty and the idea of removing the 1346 01:23:09.119 --> 01:23:11.600 notion of a confessional state. That was what he was 1347 01:23:11.760 --> 01:23:14.920 the point man for that. He's even being lauded as 1348 01:23:14.960 --> 01:23:18.239 you can see here and it's always backwards in American 1349 01:23:18.359 --> 01:23:22.880 magazine as the champion of religious freedom. And this is 1350 01:23:22.920 --> 01:23:24.960 why I have to stress one of the most important 1351 01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:28.640 books if you want to understand traditional Catholicism Vatican two 1352 01:23:28.800 --> 01:23:31.800 and understanding it from the Jesuit and the geopolitical angle, 1353 01:23:32.039 --> 01:23:36.640 is the David Wimhoff book John Courtney Murray Time Life 1354 01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:39.000 in the American Proposition. Now, I know this book is 1355 01:23:39.039 --> 01:23:41.560 a little expensive, but it's actually worth having because it 1356 01:23:41.680 --> 01:23:46.279 shows the CIA's doctrinal warfare program is where they allied 1357 01:23:46.359 --> 01:23:50.119 with the Jesuits to steer the Roman Catholic Church, particularly 1358 01:23:50.760 --> 01:23:52.760 at the time of Vatican Two and after Vatican Two, 1359 01:23:52.880 --> 01:23:56.359 into being a tool of the Cold War to promote Americanism. 1360 01:23:56.760 --> 01:24:00.359 So to promote Americanism, they needed a front up people 1361 01:24:01.800 --> 01:24:06.119 within Roman Catholicism who were willing to go against the 1362 01:24:06.199 --> 01:24:10.520 idea of a confessional state to champion religious liberty and freedom. 1363 01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:14.000 Which is ironic because this sounds very contrary to you know, 1364 01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:20.000 previous Vatican MASSI I mean Jesuit machinations, And it is ironic. 1365 01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:23.920 And that's because and one can debate the whole meaning 1366 01:24:24.000 --> 01:24:26.560 of the Jesuits over the centuries, but regardless, in the 1367 01:24:26.640 --> 01:24:31.439 twentieth century they become the leaders of the revolution within 1368 01:24:31.600 --> 01:24:35.479 the Roman Catholic sphere. And there's many reasons for that. 1369 01:24:36.039 --> 01:24:38.479 There's older reasons that you've been pointing out. The deal 1370 01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:40.560 with the kind of the implicit heresies and the implicit 1371 01:24:40.720 --> 01:24:44.359 historianism and culturation that's present amongst the Jesuits, but at 1372 01:24:44.439 --> 01:24:46.720 least in the twentieth century. What Wimhoff is documented in 1373 01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:48.520 his book, and this is eight hundred pages of a 1374 01:24:48.520 --> 01:24:52.680 thousand plus footnotes, as the traditional Catholic himself, he's documented 1375 01:24:52.760 --> 01:24:56.960 the fact that this is quite literally a known CIA program, 1376 01:24:57.359 --> 01:25:00.399 and the CIA program was successful in turning the Roman 1377 01:25:00.439 --> 01:25:03.880 Catholic Church into a branch and arm of Americanism, and 1378 01:25:04.000 --> 01:25:06.760 the Jesuits were at the forefront of that. That's very 1379 01:25:06.800 --> 01:25:08.680 important to understand. So and by the way, I'm not 1380 01:25:08.760 --> 01:25:10.479 saying that the Jesuits run the world. This is not 1381 01:25:10.920 --> 01:25:14.000 This is not a book that's like kookie level conspiracy stuff. 1382 01:25:14.079 --> 01:25:16.760 This is like actual intelligence level research stuff here. 1383 01:25:17.079 --> 01:25:18.319 That's what wim Hoff's book is. 1384 01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:21.359 Okay, it's nothing to do with black assassins of the 1385 01:25:21.479 --> 01:25:23.439 underground layers of the Vatican. That's not what we're talking 1386 01:25:23.439 --> 01:25:27.760 about here. We're talking about real, legit, hardcore documentation written 1387 01:25:27.760 --> 01:25:30.640 by I believe Wimhoff is a lawyer. So he's obsessively 1388 01:25:30.760 --> 01:25:34.039 documented this with with like a thousand footnotes, and it's 1389 01:25:34.079 --> 01:25:36.600 a really solid piece of research. It's a huge key 1390 01:25:36.680 --> 01:25:40.199 to understand the twentieth century in Vatican two. And I'm 1391 01:25:40.479 --> 01:25:42.720 I'm this is somebody who coming from somebody wh used 1392 01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:44.800 to be a traditional Catholic, who spent many years in 1393 01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:49.000 that world devouring traditional Catholic books, from the SSPX to 1394 01:25:49.039 --> 01:25:52.600 the FSSP, to Michael Davies to the Sada's to all those. 1395 01:25:52.760 --> 01:25:54.239 I just devoured all that stuff. 1396 01:25:53.960 --> 01:25:54.640 From many many years. 1397 01:25:54.680 --> 01:25:58.159 I've even read the liberals like Xavier Wren, Paul Blanchard, 1398 01:25:58.199 --> 01:26:01.199 I've read them all, and this is the best book 1399 01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:04.560 to understand the geopolitical ramifications of Attican too. 1400 01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:05.800 In the relationship to the Jesuits. 1401 01:26:08.439 --> 01:26:11.399 Yeah, and actually I focused on them more ruthless. You know, 1402 01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:15.760 ways to gain power in Europe, you know, because it 1403 01:26:15.960 --> 01:26:19.279 is true sometimes they will even claim in their oath 1404 01:26:19.600 --> 01:26:24.239 to be able to be kingmakers and where in the past. 1405 01:26:24.640 --> 01:26:29.760 But you see that this idea of adapting to culture. 1406 01:26:30.720 --> 01:26:35.800 It has been promoted, especially during the colonization era, because 1407 01:26:35.800 --> 01:26:40.600 they were very important in terms of colonization. And you 1408 01:26:40.600 --> 01:26:43.760 will have records of them going to the Indians, starting 1409 01:26:43.800 --> 01:26:45.720 to play dress up as Indians. 1410 01:26:46.680 --> 01:26:49.600 You will have who's the one that went to the 1411 01:26:49.960 --> 01:26:53.760 Japanese member him he's well known for this, like the 1412 01:26:54.680 --> 01:26:56.960 Japanese Jesuit guy and he's all dressed out like he's 1413 01:26:57.000 --> 01:26:58.000 a freaking samurai. 1414 01:26:58.000 --> 01:26:58.680 It's pretty funny. 1415 01:26:59.800 --> 01:27:05.840 Yeah, I don't know the specifics, but the Jesuits are 1416 01:27:05.960 --> 01:27:10.680 very famous, you know in Japan or in famous because 1417 01:27:11.439 --> 01:27:15.920 during the period of civil wars, the single Guidi, there 1418 01:27:15.920 --> 01:27:18.159 would be an influence and there will as spies, you know, 1419 01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:19.600 basically they will travel VIP. 1420 01:27:19.680 --> 01:27:22.239 The they were This is important point, thank you. Yes, 1421 01:27:22.399 --> 01:27:26.880 they were the essentially functioned in part as spies for 1422 01:27:26.920 --> 01:27:27.279 the Batican. 1423 01:27:27.359 --> 01:27:28.479 This is a this is a key point. 1424 01:27:29.359 --> 01:27:32.239 Yeah. And they would work with they would go on 1425 01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:35.119 with the merchants and think like this, and you even 1426 01:27:35.199 --> 01:27:41.800 see them engaging in industrial espionage. First of all, they 1427 01:27:41.840 --> 01:27:45.319 would try to take away the competitive advantage of you know, 1428 01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:50.039 Chinese people in Japanese people by and you know, stealing 1429 01:27:50.199 --> 01:27:54.439 secrets of chinaware, you know, or to make chinaware, and 1430 01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:57.800 they will actually you know, inform you know, the army, 1431 01:27:57.880 --> 01:28:01.840 they will inform. The Purban band was a very particular 1432 01:28:01.960 --> 01:28:06.760 case because during the period and the single there was 1433 01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:14.159 this this fight against this Western influence. And after the 1434 01:28:14.800 --> 01:28:20.119 period closed, the of theed operia started. So after this 1435 01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:26.319 huge island wide civil war, there will be bands on 1436 01:28:26.680 --> 01:28:31.399 Christianity specifically because they were seen as a bad influence. 1437 01:28:31.760 --> 01:28:36.239 And even with that, the factor leader of Japan at 1438 01:28:36.279 --> 01:28:42.039 the time, he basically whenever he learned that there were 1439 01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:47.039 Christians that were not Catholics Jesuits, he will he would 1440 01:28:47.159 --> 01:28:49.640 want to have them at the court. And you have 1441 01:28:49.720 --> 01:28:53.359 the famous history of William Adams. William Adams was the 1442 01:28:55.000 --> 01:29:00.319 British guy and as soon as go yes, Sir filnd 1443 01:29:00.319 --> 01:29:03.600 that they were Christian which were not Jesuits, which were 1444 01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:11.159 not this wrong influence on Japan, it would actually try 1445 01:29:11.199 --> 01:29:13.880 to bring them in and William Adams actually but it 1446 01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:17.800 didn't promote Christianity of course. But William Adams for example, 1447 01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:20.359 was given the title of samurai and he could stay 1448 01:29:20.399 --> 01:29:24.520 at the Emperial Court called the basis. 1449 01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:25.720 Of that Goofy Tom Cruise movie. 1450 01:29:26.039 --> 01:29:28.600 Is that what I remember that because that will be 1451 01:29:28.760 --> 01:29:32.239 during the Boshing War, so that's later. But basically there 1452 01:29:32.399 --> 01:29:36.800 was a British samurai and the only commerce that was 1453 01:29:36.880 --> 01:29:43.359 done uh with the Europeans will be through Protestant Dutch 1454 01:29:44.640 --> 01:29:49.279 at the time. So basically the over influence of the 1455 01:29:49.399 --> 01:29:53.359 Jesuits just caused a lot of massacres of christian in Japan. 1456 01:29:53.479 --> 01:29:57.000 Even the converse. There was this movie Silence, you've seen it. 1457 01:29:58.880 --> 01:30:02.319 He talked basically the persecution of Christian and Japan and 1458 01:30:02.640 --> 01:30:06.760 it's following just with missionaries would come even though the 1459 01:30:06.800 --> 01:30:07.760 countries closed down. 1460 01:30:07.960 --> 01:30:10.600 Oh Silence, No, no, I'm sorry, I get that mixed 1461 01:30:10.680 --> 01:30:14.840 up with the one with the mission with Robert de 1462 01:30:14.920 --> 01:30:18.399 Niro from like ten years earlier. But no, I know 1463 01:30:18.439 --> 01:30:20.000 you're talking about, but I haven't seen Silence. 1464 01:30:21.319 --> 01:30:23.960 Oh yeah, you U should because well I'm not gonna 1465 01:30:24.000 --> 01:30:30.079 spoil it then, but it's actually not. Yeah, you'll see 1466 01:30:30.439 --> 01:30:36.279 the difference between when when the Japanese people, you know, 1467 01:30:36.479 --> 01:30:39.960 the Christian convicts have to show faith and you know, 1468 01:30:40.319 --> 01:30:42.840 prepare for mount to them, whereas where he has to 1469 01:30:42.920 --> 01:30:46.199 face it. I'm pretty sure that would be a good 1470 01:30:46.279 --> 01:30:46.880 movie review. 1471 01:30:48.560 --> 01:30:49.520 Yeah, it's a good idea. 1472 01:30:49.680 --> 01:30:58.159 Yeah, yeah, right on the team Jesuit foreign influence and yeah, 1473 01:30:58.279 --> 01:31:03.039 so basically you have all this this, there's a very method. 1474 01:31:03.399 --> 01:31:07.159 You will have them involved in evangelization of many places. 1475 01:31:07.239 --> 01:31:10.439 You know in the Caribbean. You start to see verdu 1476 01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:16.319 because there is this lenience around the I think it's 1477 01:31:16.439 --> 01:31:23.319 like like Lady of Guadalupez. This is again it's it's 1478 01:31:23.359 --> 01:31:26.119 a miracle that just tailored, you know, to to get 1479 01:31:26.199 --> 01:31:30.640 things working politically. As the old Lady of Guadalupe was. 1480 01:31:30.640 --> 01:31:33.600 Basically the idea is that, oh no, there there has 1481 01:31:33.680 --> 01:31:36.920 been the apparition of an icon of the theotocus, but 1482 01:31:37.079 --> 01:31:40.439 she was looking like the Aztec people, and basically a 1483 01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:44.960 lot of the feminine Susstotal class adopted it there and 1484 01:31:45.039 --> 01:31:48.159 today you can still see in Mexico there's like Santa Verte. 1485 01:31:48.279 --> 01:31:51.000 And yeah, this is another point too. This is why 1486 01:31:51.159 --> 01:31:57.600 Orthodox iconography never pictures Chinese Jesus Black Jesus, because it's 1487 01:31:57.640 --> 01:32:01.760 very important did Jesus be the Hebrew Jesus that he 1488 01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:05.199 was to fulfill the prophecy to be a descendant of David. 1489 01:32:05.840 --> 01:32:08.840 So you can't do Chinese Jesus. Jesus was in Chinese, 1490 01:32:08.880 --> 01:32:13.800 and that's why all the Orthodox iconographal iconographical presentations of 1491 01:32:13.840 --> 01:32:18.800 the Saints always retain their historic qualities because we're not gnostics. 1492 01:32:19.439 --> 01:32:23.800 Your lineage in your people group is important because as 1493 01:32:23.840 --> 01:32:27.479 we see in the apocalypse, it's people out of every tribe, tongue, 1494 01:32:27.520 --> 01:32:31.000 and nation that are called and you don't lose all 1495 01:32:31.079 --> 01:32:35.439 of your historic physical qualities in the resurrection that's a 1496 01:32:35.479 --> 01:32:40.520 gnostic doctrine. And that's why you can't Well, this again 1497 01:32:40.640 --> 01:32:44.279 speaks to the Nestorianism, right, because if there can be 1498 01:32:44.439 --> 01:32:50.720 Chinese Jesus, then Jesus historical instantiation as the Word of God. 1499 01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:57.439 You know, in a single and hypostatized historical instantiation is relative. 1500 01:32:59.520 --> 01:33:03.720 Yeah, and again you've got this idea of non exclusivity 1501 01:33:03.800 --> 01:33:06.800 and diversification of the ocean, like every little people needs 1502 01:33:06.840 --> 01:33:10.760 to have this pain you've got. This is adult miracles. 1503 01:33:11.119 --> 01:33:15.399 Oh yeah, right now we've got a lady Pho the Aztecs. 1504 01:33:15.560 --> 01:33:19.560 Oh good. Yeah, and oh it's the end of World 1505 01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:22.760 War two. We've got a lady for the piece in 1506 01:33:22.880 --> 01:33:25.880 the world that really we will have old Mother of 1507 01:33:26.000 --> 01:33:28.039 Soy soon enough, just give it a few years. 1508 01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:33.399 A Mother of Soy said devotion of and stuff like that, 1509 01:33:34.760 --> 01:33:35.720 old Lady of the new. 1510 01:33:36.319 --> 01:33:38.840 All right, yeah, and you'll know. So notice here that. 1511 01:33:40.319 --> 01:33:43.439 In the typical iconography of Christ, you'll see that the 1512 01:33:43.840 --> 01:33:47.079 whole on that's these Greek letters are in the halo. 1513 01:33:47.920 --> 01:33:48.000 Uh. 1514 01:33:48.199 --> 01:33:51.399 Those are actually in the Byzantine iconography. Their references to 1515 01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:54.760 the I am. And this is a statement that the 1516 01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:57.000 same divine person who said I am that I am 1517 01:33:57.319 --> 01:33:59.800 is who is the single divine person present here that 1518 01:33:59.840 --> 01:34:05.039 you see. There's no created human hypostasis present. Christ is 1519 01:34:05.039 --> 01:34:07.279 a fully human nature. But the human nature has for 1520 01:34:07.399 --> 01:34:09.960 its hypostasis the divine person of the word alone. 1521 01:34:10.159 --> 01:34:10.439 That's it. 1522 01:34:11.119 --> 01:34:14.159 So that's why we are so stringent to avoid Nestorianism, 1523 01:34:14.239 --> 01:34:16.199 is because we want to avoid all these errors. And 1524 01:34:16.279 --> 01:34:19.840 that's why orthodox icronography always pictures Christ the same. You 1525 01:34:19.960 --> 01:34:23.720 don't see an icon in Orthodoxy. Maybe in weird Roman 1526 01:34:23.760 --> 01:34:26.479 Catholic stuff they'll make a Chinese Jesus or something, but 1527 01:34:26.920 --> 01:34:30.359 you will always see Christ in having these features. There 1528 01:34:30.439 --> 01:34:32.479 might be a little variance because of the styles of 1529 01:34:32.680 --> 01:34:37.159 Russian iconography or Greek, but you'll notice he because he's 1530 01:34:37.199 --> 01:34:41.880 a Hebrew. And if he's not the historic Hebrew Jesus, 1531 01:34:42.079 --> 01:34:43.760 then the whole thing is nonsense. 1532 01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:58.560 Yeah, correct, and okay to come back, Okay, what else 1533 01:34:58.560 --> 01:35:03.199 can they say? Still, I want to point out against 1534 01:35:03.199 --> 01:35:06.520 this idea that this group is working and it's always 1535 01:35:06.520 --> 01:35:10.279 a bit nebuless. You don't really know who is the hardcore, 1536 01:35:10.520 --> 01:35:14.039 who is the just the followers with laity with an 1537 01:35:14.079 --> 01:35:17.359 actual priest, and they they are taking advantage of this 1538 01:35:17.479 --> 01:35:22.079 you know, to infiltrate, and I'm when to go a 1539 01:35:22.159 --> 01:35:25.880 bit further. First of all, it causes a lot of 1540 01:35:25.960 --> 01:35:28.279 problem because you know the paper balls that I caught 1541 01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:32.319 it basically said that I know you have laity that 1542 01:35:32.399 --> 01:35:36.840 can perform sacraments, which is is such a total charge. 1543 01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:41.039 What's the point of it. You've just dumb dumbing people 1544 01:35:41.159 --> 01:35:44.479 or not performing for sacraments, even according to Catholic theology. 1545 01:35:46.359 --> 01:35:48.680 But again about this organization, and I want to talk 1546 01:35:48.680 --> 01:35:53.159 about more the the more modern chest with we see 1547 01:35:53.199 --> 01:35:56.199 that they try to infiltrate a lot of things, and 1548 01:35:56.319 --> 01:35:59.199 they and the first thing is actually totally to control 1549 01:35:59.279 --> 01:36:02.039 over was a Vatican. So before there used to be 1550 01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:06.039 the dog of the pope and now basically the pope 1551 01:36:06.079 --> 01:36:08.800 is a Jesuit. There was this idea that you know, 1552 01:36:08.920 --> 01:36:11.039 there is a black Pope and the white pup like 1553 01:36:11.439 --> 01:36:13.479 the Pope and the black pup the law commander of 1554 01:36:13.520 --> 01:36:18.840 the Jesuit general of the Juguit, and no, basically Francis 1555 01:36:19.439 --> 01:36:23.279 is both. So right now you have the fusion of it, 1556 01:36:23.520 --> 01:36:28.920 and you see that the very interesting relations between the 1557 01:36:29.000 --> 01:36:32.720 papacy and between the Jesuits have come to fruition. So 1558 01:36:33.199 --> 01:36:35.199 they will not listen to the purpe and be very 1559 01:36:35.279 --> 01:36:38.319 pragmatic where wherever the pope was not working for them, 1560 01:36:38.560 --> 01:36:40.319 and they will push your pop forward. They would prop 1561 01:36:40.399 --> 01:36:44.800 him up when he was working for them. And at 1562 01:36:44.840 --> 01:36:47.680 some point they even were disgrace you know, it was disbanded, 1563 01:36:47.720 --> 01:36:52.520 but they still managed to come back. And right now 1564 01:36:53.039 --> 01:36:56.560 the Purpo has absolute power and the Pope is a 1565 01:36:56.640 --> 01:36:58.920 jest with and we have a lot of people talking. Yeah, 1566 01:36:58.960 --> 01:37:01.640 maybe that's why Ratzinger was pushed aside. I'm not going 1567 01:37:01.680 --> 01:37:05.079 to go into that, but no, we have to think 1568 01:37:05.720 --> 01:37:10.279 because people who promoted all these areas, it's people who mean, 1569 01:37:10.319 --> 01:37:12.600 we don't really know the dogma, we don't really know 1570 01:37:12.760 --> 01:37:15.279 their relation to the occulture. We don't really know what 1571 01:37:15.560 --> 01:37:20.039 is a final goal? Is it just power? And we 1572 01:37:20.159 --> 01:37:22.840 have them at the highest position of the Catholic Church. 1573 01:37:23.359 --> 01:37:25.520 Yeah, I think I want to make one little point 1574 01:37:25.560 --> 01:37:28.119 to hear about the geopolitical stuff that I stumbled upon. 1575 01:37:28.239 --> 01:37:30.800 So as most of you guys know, if you haven't 1576 01:37:30.840 --> 01:37:33.680 heard the full Quigly talks, I also did the other 1577 01:37:33.920 --> 01:37:37.640 important Quigley book, Angle American Establishment, and he actually talks 1578 01:37:37.640 --> 01:37:42.680 about the Rothschilds and the Cecil Roads roundtable groups being 1579 01:37:42.760 --> 01:37:45.960 kind of the power behind the throne. There's a fascinating 1580 01:37:46.039 --> 01:37:49.399 section in Anglo American Establishment where quickly details that the 1581 01:37:49.439 --> 01:37:57.000 power structure actually utilized the structure of the Jesuits to 1582 01:37:57.279 --> 01:38:01.520 organize that secret society, if you were, call quickly refers 1583 01:38:01.600 --> 01:38:04.039 to them as the Society of the elect. 1584 01:38:04.680 --> 01:38:06.000 The Society the elect was. 1585 01:38:06.439 --> 01:38:10.640 About the twelve most powerful European and British families Astors, 1586 01:38:10.760 --> 01:38:13.800 raw Child, Cecil, Roads, et cetera. There was about ten 1587 01:38:13.920 --> 01:38:16.479 or twelve of them, and then they had an out 1588 01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:19.279 that was the inner core, the inner party. You could say, 1589 01:38:19.880 --> 01:38:22.560 they had an outer portico of what they called two 1590 01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:26.880 or three thousand helpers that was people recruited at Cambridge, Oxford, Eton. 1591 01:38:27.319 --> 01:38:31.079 This is who's running the British empire. Basically this is 1592 01:38:31.199 --> 01:38:33.640 the model for the American empire. Right, so the American 1593 01:38:33.720 --> 01:38:37.039 Empire does sort of morph out of this because the CFR, 1594 01:38:37.159 --> 01:38:40.880 the trial out or commission, what's the power structure in 1595 01:38:40.920 --> 01:38:43.319 the US that was all set up by these people. 1596 01:38:44.239 --> 01:38:45.960 So some of those families are not as important as 1597 01:38:46.000 --> 01:38:47.880 maybe they were one hundred years ago when Quigley was 1598 01:38:47.920 --> 01:38:51.000 writing about them, But regardless, it's still roughly the same 1599 01:38:51.079 --> 01:38:57.439 power structure, and they specifically said they modeled their inner 1600 01:38:57.600 --> 01:39:01.800 society on the j Justus. So once again, let's keep 1601 01:39:01.840 --> 01:39:04.439 in mind, this is the same power structure as the 1602 01:39:04.520 --> 01:39:07.920 Royal Society. That's who the Anglo American establishment is, same 1603 01:39:07.960 --> 01:39:12.359 group the Royal Society, who are the biggest promoters of 1604 01:39:12.600 --> 01:39:15.920 Darwinism and evolution in the last one hundred plus years. 1605 01:39:16.439 --> 01:39:20.000 Them and who else the Jesuits. There you go. 1606 01:39:21.039 --> 01:39:23.159 I want to stress this, and I'm not saying that 1607 01:39:23.279 --> 01:39:26.359 I can prove definitively that, oh, well, secretly the Royal 1608 01:39:26.439 --> 01:39:28.279 Society was allied with the Jesuits. 1609 01:39:28.680 --> 01:39:29.359 Maybe maybe not. 1610 01:39:29.560 --> 01:39:31.960 I'm sure eventually people could probably dig that up. But 1611 01:39:32.079 --> 01:39:34.279 what I am saying is that I don't think that 1612 01:39:34.399 --> 01:39:37.880 it's an accident, and I do think it's interesting that 1613 01:39:38.239 --> 01:39:42.000 these two global power groups, both the elite of the 1614 01:39:42.039 --> 01:39:46.359 British Empire and the Jesuits, were so formative and instrumental 1615 01:39:46.439 --> 01:39:49.239 in putting all of their power and influence into promoting 1616 01:39:49.359 --> 01:39:53.319 Big Bang and Darwinism and all the frauds of pilt 1617 01:39:53.359 --> 01:39:56.760 Down Man and Nebraska Man and all that stuff. Tahart 1618 01:39:56.840 --> 01:40:00.600 is there for all that stuff, Jesuits have been very 1619 01:40:00.680 --> 01:40:03.720 influential on this, and I think that has to be 1620 01:40:04.279 --> 01:40:07.319 kept in mind and stressed, as you pointed out, because 1621 01:40:07.439 --> 01:40:10.279 now what we see is the entire Roman Catholic structure 1622 01:40:10.319 --> 01:40:11.479 being run by a Jesuit. 1623 01:40:14.159 --> 01:40:18.600 Yeah, and that would be probably my conclusion. And the 1624 01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:22.680 Jesuit is that even from the Roman Catholic perspective, there's 1625 01:40:22.680 --> 01:40:25.760 a big problem here is that the idea of the Pope, 1626 01:40:26.119 --> 01:40:28.720 the idea of Catholic of theology, and the concept of Trent, 1627 01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:35.880 this is done by and through the Jesuits. And even 1628 01:40:35.920 --> 01:40:40.279 after that, the Jesuits were you know, allies, enemies in 1629 01:40:40.399 --> 01:40:44.600 any way, very bad force for Roman Catholicism. You know, 1630 01:40:44.680 --> 01:40:47.560 it introduced heresies, it's fought against the Pope, and this 1631 01:40:47.760 --> 01:40:50.720 is not acceptable in Roman Catholic dogma. The problem is 1632 01:40:51.760 --> 01:40:54.720 the enemy was in your mist and now you can 1633 01:40:54.800 --> 01:40:59.199 truly be a Catholic and you know, hold very adversarial 1634 01:40:59.239 --> 01:41:02.359 positions to the Jesuits, but at the same time you 1635 01:41:02.399 --> 01:41:04.840 can't really follow the dogma and follow the Jesuits. So 1636 01:41:04.880 --> 01:41:09.520 you kind have blocked here. It's been infiltrated. Yes, And 1637 01:41:10.840 --> 01:41:12.560 I also want to to say a quick word to 1638 01:41:12.640 --> 01:41:15.840 the Orthodox. As I described the Jesuit work you know, 1639 01:41:17.399 --> 01:41:20.720 as a core and then affiliates which sometimes are not 1640 01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:24.840 even you know, fully fledged Jesuits, allies and things like this, 1641 01:41:25.239 --> 01:41:26.960 and they are working for the same thing. And now 1642 01:41:27.000 --> 01:41:30.560 we should look at the Fordamites because they they are 1643 01:41:30.640 --> 01:41:34.000 Jesuit affiliates to work for the Fordham University, which is 1644 01:41:34.279 --> 01:41:36.800 a Jesuit university, and they push the same stuff as 1645 01:41:36.880 --> 01:41:37.640 they as a Jesuits. 1646 01:41:37.840 --> 01:41:41.560 And there are Legiance that's also a CIA university exactly. 1647 01:41:42.640 --> 01:41:47.479 Yeah, and basically you see like arcam like is this 1648 01:41:47.600 --> 01:41:50.479 is this equivalent order you know to the Jesuits that 1649 01:41:50.600 --> 01:41:53.920 start to pop up. You have priests in there, but 1650 01:41:54.039 --> 01:41:56.359 at the same time you're pating even they push for 1651 01:41:56.600 --> 01:42:00.199 with stuff and sometimes they go like borderline heresy, lot 1652 01:42:00.239 --> 01:42:03.279 of daments, you know, there are also we should we 1653 01:42:03.319 --> 01:42:05.920 should look uh, we should look at this because it 1654 01:42:06.000 --> 01:42:10.119 seems to take the same road. And and yes, this 1655 01:42:10.680 --> 01:42:13.960 this is with the the new tool of suest with 1656 01:42:14.119 --> 01:42:19.359 which is over ecmmunism, you know, ecumunism and this idea 1657 01:42:19.439 --> 01:42:23.640 of dissolution that right now we can approach all the 1658 01:42:23.720 --> 01:42:25.600 things that we're not gonna fight, we're not gonna mix it, 1659 01:42:26.000 --> 01:42:30.079 we're gonna bring things forward and just try to get 1660 01:42:30.760 --> 01:42:33.600 our differences out, which all differences are to the dogma 1661 01:42:33.760 --> 01:42:37.720 or faith, which is something very important to just start, 1662 01:42:38.399 --> 01:42:42.039 you know, merging into this pro mode of thing like yes, 1663 01:42:42.119 --> 01:42:46.760 this big blood religion, world religion, and and that's what 1664 01:42:46.800 --> 01:42:48.960 we're going to see. With the Amazon synos. They will 1665 01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:52.520 basically say things like, yes, of course he can worship Tree, 1666 01:42:52.640 --> 01:42:55.000 but you know, in a way, Tree is also God, 1667 01:42:55.199 --> 01:42:57.960 and and this is this is the whole creation, and 1668 01:42:58.119 --> 01:43:02.399 there is no it's all toophorical, and that's what he's 1669 01:43:02.439 --> 01:43:08.960 gonna end. Really, So yes, we should think about this 1670 01:43:09.039 --> 01:43:11.800 because this is a new methods with. 1671 01:43:12.800 --> 01:43:15.359 Yeah, and I think they're going to be instrumental in 1672 01:43:16.119 --> 01:43:20.840 promoting the you know, new world order type religion that 1673 01:43:21.159 --> 01:43:24.399 Francis seems to be very keen to. In fact, he 1674 01:43:24.720 --> 01:43:26.960 was just saying this week that it's time to create 1675 01:43:27.039 --> 01:43:30.119 a new global humanist religion. Now I'm going to really 1676 01:43:30.239 --> 01:43:32.239 blow your mind here everybody in the chat, just as 1677 01:43:32.279 --> 01:43:34.560 a kind of a weirdo thing to finish off with. 1678 01:43:35.359 --> 01:43:38.000 Probably some of you intrepid researchers out there can figure 1679 01:43:38.039 --> 01:43:42.119 this one out for me. But this came up many 1680 01:43:42.199 --> 01:43:46.039 years ago when we were doing a call with John 1681 01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:51.840 and Chris. There is a very weird Jesuit cave uh 1682 01:43:52.039 --> 01:43:55.359 and it's called the underground. Underground Jesuit caves in Europe 1683 01:43:55.560 --> 01:43:59.920 that are and they're filled with Egyptian, Islamic and cartoon art. 1684 01:44:00.199 --> 01:44:01.079 I am not joking. 1685 01:44:02.199 --> 01:44:06.680 It's just outside the city of Mastricht in Belgium and 1686 01:44:07.159 --> 01:44:09.000 it's known as a Jesuit cave. 1687 01:44:09.199 --> 01:44:09.920 I'm not joking. 1688 01:44:10.279 --> 01:44:13.880 There's the link in the chat underground Caves and the 1689 01:44:14.079 --> 01:44:17.399 artwork throughout these Jesuit caves. I know this sounds crazy, 1690 01:44:17.479 --> 01:44:24.279 it's real includes cartoon characters. Now why, I don't know. 1691 01:44:24.640 --> 01:44:30.439 Maybe somebody can figure this out intrepid researchers. I suspect 1692 01:44:30.560 --> 01:44:34.000 I can't prove this, but to me, it's reminiscent of 1693 01:44:34.199 --> 01:44:36.439 sort of. It looks like mind control type stuff. It 1694 01:44:36.520 --> 01:44:40.399 looks like the things that you would do if you 1695 01:44:40.640 --> 01:44:43.720 were doing hallucinogens, that you might show people. 1696 01:44:45.119 --> 01:44:45.640 But maybe not. 1697 01:44:45.880 --> 01:44:50.079 Maybe they're just bored and drawing cartoon scenes on walls. 1698 01:44:50.119 --> 01:44:50.720 I'm not joking. 1699 01:44:51.159 --> 01:44:54.760 I'm going to show you the art here again. 1700 01:44:54.800 --> 01:44:58.880 Anybody who knows what this is, please enlighten me, because 1701 01:44:59.159 --> 01:45:01.359 I have no idea but as you can see that, 1702 01:45:01.600 --> 01:45:04.479 here are the cartoon characters on one scene. There's multiple 1703 01:45:04.560 --> 01:45:10.079 scenes like this, really really weird stuff, literal cartoon characters. 1704 01:45:10.119 --> 01:45:12.279 And I don't know when this one was drawn. They've 1705 01:45:12.319 --> 01:45:14.159 been drawn, I guess in different centuries. This was drawn 1706 01:45:14.199 --> 01:45:20.520 in nineteen sixty. Here's your Jesuit Disney cartoonist. It includes 1707 01:45:20.600 --> 01:45:28.359 a giant Egyptian snakehead. Here's some more cartoon characters with 1708 01:45:30.880 --> 01:45:36.560 puppy dogs, bring puppy dogs, bringing dinner, talking daffy ducks. 1709 01:45:37.560 --> 01:45:39.399 I mean, are they just tripping out? Are the Jesuits 1710 01:45:39.479 --> 01:45:41.720 just tripping a bunch of acid underneath. 1711 01:45:41.399 --> 01:45:42.840 Underneath the city. 1712 01:45:43.560 --> 01:45:45.640 But it gets weirder and weirder because they also have 1713 01:45:47.680 --> 01:45:50.960 other religious imagery, such as. 1714 01:45:52.319 --> 01:45:52.720 Buddha. 1715 01:45:54.159 --> 01:45:55.359 Anyway, it's in the essay. 1716 01:45:55.439 --> 01:45:56.520 You can that article. 1717 01:45:57.319 --> 01:45:58.800 It appears, as far as I could tell, to be 1718 01:45:58.880 --> 01:46:03.000 a real thing. Jesuits were past masters in copying world 1719 01:46:03.079 --> 01:46:07.159 famous arts and structures. There's even a version of Picasso's 1720 01:46:07.239 --> 01:46:11.039 Old Woman in here. Why were they doing copies in 1721 01:46:11.199 --> 01:46:12.760 an underground cave? 1722 01:46:14.520 --> 01:46:14.920 I don't know. 1723 01:46:15.079 --> 01:46:17.880 This is just really bizarre stuff, So just a weird 1724 01:46:17.960 --> 01:46:20.600 one I wanted to throw in for everybody jesuit cartoon art. 1725 01:46:23.199 --> 01:46:26.600 So if you want to leave us some super chats 1726 01:46:26.600 --> 01:46:28.399 as we sort of come here towards the end. 1727 01:46:29.920 --> 01:46:33.720 Yeah, sure, I just wanted to tell you that. Okay, 1728 01:46:33.800 --> 01:46:39.840 so jesuits is not my preferred topics. So in the future, 1729 01:46:39.880 --> 01:46:41.520 if we want to talk more about this, we actually 1730 01:46:41.560 --> 01:46:45.079 have people from the same collective who actually studied this 1731 01:46:45.239 --> 01:46:48.199 more and we could go a bit deeper and probably 1732 01:46:48.279 --> 01:46:50.600 go more into the occal side of things. I didn't 1733 01:46:50.600 --> 01:46:53.960 really want to go there, but to bring a little 1734 01:46:54.000 --> 01:46:57.680 bit more nuance, and in the future it might it 1735 01:46:57.720 --> 01:47:00.439 might be possible. We have other people who are Yeah, I'm. 1736 01:47:00.359 --> 01:47:01.880 Not really trying to go into that. I just wanted 1737 01:47:01.880 --> 01:47:03.439 to mention it because it came to mind. I didn't 1738 01:47:03.439 --> 01:47:07.880 want to forget the weird underground cave with cartoons. I 1739 01:47:08.000 --> 01:47:10.520 just I couldn't resist mentioning that. 1740 01:47:12.199 --> 01:47:14.960 But if you're interested in digging further, we have other 1741 01:47:15.039 --> 01:47:17.000 people who are very very much qualified and. 1742 01:47:17.199 --> 01:47:19.520 Yeah, yeah, so I want to make a point there 1743 01:47:19.560 --> 01:47:23.640 that if you want to connect with Snack, his discord 1744 01:47:23.800 --> 01:47:26.960 is listed there. The French Orthobos have their own discord. 1745 01:47:27.039 --> 01:47:30.520 They do a lot of apologetic and translation discussion. 1746 01:47:30.079 --> 01:47:30.640 Work in there. 1747 01:47:30.880 --> 01:47:33.600 There's his YouTube channel, a lot of that's in French, 1748 01:47:34.439 --> 01:47:37.039 and then also his Twitter and he's pretty active on Twitter, 1749 01:47:37.159 --> 01:47:39.479 so you can connect with his material there. 1750 01:47:40.279 --> 01:47:43.479 Anybody wants to support us, I'll do some super chats here. 1751 01:47:43.520 --> 01:47:46.800 We only got one superchat right now, Lawrence asked, does 1752 01:47:46.840 --> 01:47:48.239 anyone want to match my superchat? 1753 01:47:48.279 --> 01:47:49.239 Well, yeah, there you go, thank you. 1754 01:47:50.000 --> 01:47:51.479 We do got a good car out of two hundred 1755 01:47:51.479 --> 01:47:53.000 and thirty five nerds in here, so I'm glad to 1756 01:47:53.039 --> 01:47:55.840 hear everybody real quick. I'll read some of the devotions 1757 01:47:55.880 --> 01:48:01.039 of Faustina Kowalska that we've critiqued here. Vine Mercy in 1758 01:48:01.199 --> 01:48:03.760 my soul. She says that the host floated out of 1759 01:48:03.800 --> 01:48:07.640 the tabernacle and rested in my hands. Later on in 1760 01:48:07.720 --> 01:48:09.960 that book, page eighty nine, she says, while I was 1761 01:48:10.000 --> 01:48:14.239 holding the host in my hands, I felt the amazing 1762 01:48:14.760 --> 01:48:15.960 Jesus power upon me. 1763 01:48:16.760 --> 01:48:17.319 By the way, you're not. 1764 01:48:17.319 --> 01:48:19.039 Supposed to hold the host, right, it's supposed to be 1765 01:48:19.159 --> 01:48:22.399 given to you by the priests. But anyway, and traditionally 1766 01:48:22.479 --> 01:48:24.159 speaking right, but it floated to her. 1767 01:48:25.640 --> 01:48:28.800 What's funny is that you've got Roman Catholic being very 1768 01:48:28.960 --> 01:48:33.079 you know, like pushing, you know, Alacoq and people like exist. 1769 01:48:33.359 --> 01:48:36.840 But you have some some of the traditional Catholics, like 1770 01:48:37.720 --> 01:48:40.159 I mean he said actist, right, I don't know traditional 1771 01:48:40.239 --> 01:48:44.600 that is, for example, there's a demon. Brothers. Yes, this 1772 01:48:44.760 --> 01:48:48.279 devotion of kovaska is is wrong for all the reason 1773 01:48:48.359 --> 01:48:50.439 we quote it. But the problem is it also applies 1774 01:48:50.479 --> 01:48:52.720 to other devotions like a la coq. 1775 01:48:52.920 --> 01:48:56.680 Exactly once you critique this is a great point U Kouska. 1776 01:48:56.840 --> 01:48:59.840 On these points, the same thing will apply to a bunch. 1777 01:48:59.720 --> 01:49:00.720 Of these women saints. 1778 01:49:01.119 --> 01:49:04.399 And I want to admit mention too, a gemma who 1779 01:49:04.560 --> 01:49:07.640 threw herself down a well. Yes, I know that some 1780 01:49:07.840 --> 01:49:11.560 asthetics have gotten pretty radical and maybe mortified their their 1781 01:49:11.600 --> 01:49:14.560 body in a sense that that would be extreme. That's 1782 01:49:14.680 --> 01:49:17.720 different than being suicidal and throwing yourself down a well. 1783 01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:22.520 And if you read for Catholics, I would challenge you 1784 01:49:23.119 --> 01:49:25.720 read the Catholic Encyclopedia article on the Donatus. 1785 01:49:25.880 --> 01:49:26.199 I read. 1786 01:49:26.239 --> 01:49:28.680 I reread it again actually a few months ago, and 1787 01:49:28.760 --> 01:49:31.800 it was very instructive because I had forgotten, because I've 1788 01:49:31.840 --> 01:49:35.520 read all the Antidonatus works by Augustine, I'd forgotten the 1789 01:49:35.560 --> 01:49:38.920 fact that the Donatists actually did this. And Augustine condemns 1790 01:49:38.960 --> 01:49:42.119 them for this, the Donatists would throw themselves down wells, 1791 01:49:42.479 --> 01:49:44.800 and he specifically talks about that. It comes up in 1792 01:49:45.479 --> 01:49:49.600 the Catholic Encyclopedia article on the Donatis. So what what 1793 01:49:49.640 --> 01:49:52.159 I'm getting at is that this manifestation of devotion is 1794 01:49:52.279 --> 01:49:57.000 not of God. It's heretical, it's prelest. Anyway, she goes 1795 01:49:57.039 --> 01:49:59.239 on in her treatise to vine Mercy to say that 1796 01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:05.039 Jesus told her personally, I want my specific mercy to 1797 01:50:05.159 --> 01:50:08.640 be worshiped. If they will not adore my mercy, I 1798 01:50:08.680 --> 01:50:11.720 will punish the whole world. I'm uniting myself with you, 1799 01:50:12.000 --> 01:50:14.760 as with no other creature. This is the nestorianism that 1800 01:50:14.800 --> 01:50:17.880 you talked about. If you pray, I will bless the 1801 01:50:17.880 --> 01:50:20.680 whole world. I will punish the whole world. Tell your superior, 1802 01:50:20.880 --> 01:50:23.399 superior general world that you are the most faithful nun 1803 01:50:23.479 --> 01:50:28.479 in the whole order, you are the greatest saint. 1804 01:50:28.560 --> 01:50:29.479 Blah blah blah blah blah. 1805 01:50:29.479 --> 01:50:31.920 There's all this nonsense, and you realize that this is 1806 01:50:32.119 --> 01:50:34.800 this is not this is all total pre list. And 1807 01:50:34.880 --> 01:50:37.000 if you were to admit that that's all total pre list, 1808 01:50:37.279 --> 01:50:40.720 then all of these same women that we've been talking 1809 01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:43.000 about and it's not just women. There's other weird men 1810 01:50:43.279 --> 01:50:45.479 that did similar stuff. It would apply to all them too. 1811 01:50:48.000 --> 01:50:50.039 And by the way, I just did I just wrote 1812 01:50:50.079 --> 01:50:53.479 that essay on the prophets of bail, and it made 1813 01:50:53.479 --> 01:50:55.479 me think of Elijah and the prophets of bail. Right, 1814 01:50:55.560 --> 01:50:58.680 cutting yourself and all this kind of stuff is exactly 1815 01:50:58.760 --> 01:51:01.520 what Elijah faces with the profits bail j C. 1816 01:51:01.840 --> 01:51:03.560 Rubug ten bucks. He says, thank you. 1817 01:51:03.640 --> 01:51:06.800 Both, very many blessings for your hard work. 1818 01:51:06.840 --> 01:51:09.840 Well, thank you, Jesse, appreciate that. And do you have 1819 01:51:09.920 --> 01:51:10.760 any comments on that? 1820 01:51:14.760 --> 01:51:14.920 Well? 1821 01:51:15.079 --> 01:51:17.880 Thanks, No, I'm in on what I was saying about 1822 01:51:19.319 --> 01:51:20.399 Kowalska and the. 1823 01:51:21.960 --> 01:51:22.520 And that stuff. 1824 01:51:23.640 --> 01:51:26.439 Yeah. The thing is, you know, no, it seems apparent. 1825 01:51:26.520 --> 01:51:29.840 You know, people start start to realize that's what we 1826 01:51:30.199 --> 01:51:34.000 have to tell. Because people start to think for themselves, 1827 01:51:34.039 --> 01:51:37.359 it's easier to get informations out and and you know, 1828 01:51:37.479 --> 01:51:39.439 we can we can start to understand. You know, all 1829 01:51:39.520 --> 01:51:42.720 these things were hidden. You know, these are the fact 1830 01:51:42.760 --> 01:51:46.920 that things were explicit in the story and the pop 1831 01:51:47.000 --> 01:51:50.640 actually knew about it, but it was never brought forward 1832 01:51:51.239 --> 01:51:55.640 fair enough. For example, the pop news that the Holy 1833 01:51:55.760 --> 01:52:01.039 Heart Sacred heard and that Loyola who were pushing for 1834 01:52:01.079 --> 01:52:05.239 an Estianism, but it was hidden letter the holy what 1835 01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:07.119 sacred hurt? 1836 01:52:07.479 --> 01:52:08.239 Oh, sacred heart? 1837 01:52:08.319 --> 01:52:09.640 Okay, I think it's a sacred herb. 1838 01:52:09.960 --> 01:52:11.119 Would say, the sacred herb. 1839 01:52:11.279 --> 01:52:17.359 Dude, it sounded like you said sacred herb like Rastafarian. 1840 01:52:17.520 --> 01:52:22.960 Yeah, okay, what do you okay? So ruffling Stack said, 1841 01:52:23.159 --> 01:52:26.159 what do you have to say about just with liberation theology? 1842 01:52:26.399 --> 01:52:29.600 This is another had hog dogma, you know, the same 1843 01:52:29.680 --> 01:52:33.199 thing they would have ad doc dogma to integrate people. 1844 01:52:34.399 --> 01:52:38.680 This is, I believe part of the political movements in 1845 01:52:38.720 --> 01:52:45.840 South Southern America, South America, and and yes it was. 1846 01:52:45.960 --> 01:52:48.359 It was created to to to to adapt. It's it's 1847 01:52:48.399 --> 01:52:49.359 another adult dogma. 1848 01:52:49.479 --> 01:53:02.119 Basically, you want to read the wim Hoff book. 1849 01:53:02.640 --> 01:53:03.119 I've read that. 1850 01:53:03.279 --> 01:53:03.680 It's good. 1851 01:53:03.760 --> 01:53:06.319 Again, I'm stressing it because we want to understand there's 1852 01:53:06.319 --> 01:53:12.159 a mythology amongst the trad anti communist collective. I'm joking 1853 01:53:12.640 --> 01:53:16.720 the trad anti commy world where they are under the 1854 01:53:16.760 --> 01:53:23.319 impression that the liberation theology was a communist thing that 1855 01:53:23.479 --> 01:53:26.560 the Jesuits pioneered. There's an angle and element of truth 1856 01:53:26.600 --> 01:53:30.399 to this, but it's also way off because it buys 1857 01:53:30.439 --> 01:53:34.279 into the Cold War dialectic, and wim Hoff is great 1858 01:53:34.359 --> 01:53:36.680 at busting that Cold War dialectic because I want to 1859 01:53:36.720 --> 01:53:42.159 stress that the main pioneers of liberation theology. Yes, there 1860 01:53:42.199 --> 01:53:44.600 are many liberal Jesuits and liberalty elogians who did that, 1861 01:53:44.680 --> 01:53:47.000 but they were doing that at the behest, not of Moscow, 1862 01:53:47.479 --> 01:53:50.359 not of the KGB, but at the hest of their 1863 01:53:50.560 --> 01:53:55.239 zillionaire banking Western elites that funded them. And wim Hoff 1864 01:53:55.399 --> 01:53:59.159 grasps that. So he's a great myth buster to many 1865 01:53:59.319 --> 01:54:06.039 of these tracks. And that's why this book is so good. Also, 1866 01:54:06.319 --> 01:54:08.920 I want to stress too, a cult Renaissance church, if 1867 01:54:08.960 --> 01:54:10.920 you read a cult Renaissance Church of Rome and you 1868 01:54:11.039 --> 01:54:13.680 read the whim Hoff book, you will have most of 1869 01:54:13.760 --> 01:54:18.439 your trad myths busted from the geopolitical and historic perspective. 1870 01:54:22.159 --> 01:54:23.960 Oh yeah, I've heard of it. Do you give you 1871 01:54:24.079 --> 01:54:24.319 to read? 1872 01:54:26.720 --> 01:54:29.319 So that's what I wanted to say Raffling Stakes, is 1873 01:54:29.359 --> 01:54:32.960 that those books are really good and sort of busting 1874 01:54:33.000 --> 01:54:35.359 a lot of these these this trad mythology like that 1875 01:54:35.479 --> 01:54:38.720 AA one O two five that's actually just cold war propaganda, 1876 01:54:38.800 --> 01:54:42.720 this idea that that Moscow is sending all of these 1877 01:54:43.079 --> 01:54:46.479 KGB agents to infiltrate the papacy and all this stuff. 1878 01:54:46.520 --> 01:54:49.359 The papacy was already corrupt, The papacy was already a 1879 01:54:49.439 --> 01:54:55.800 problem way before Moscow was struggling with its atheism. So 1880 01:54:55.960 --> 01:54:59.319 you have to understand the problems go back way beyond 1881 01:54:59.359 --> 01:55:02.199 the twentieth cent This is Vatican Two is the outworking 1882 01:55:02.279 --> 01:55:05.439 of centuries and centuries and centuries of issues and errors. 1883 01:55:05.520 --> 01:55:07.680 It's not something that just pops up in the twentieth 1884 01:55:07.760 --> 01:55:11.079 century after a pious the twelveth suddenly starts to you know, 1885 01:55:11.520 --> 01:55:14.920 accept theistic evolution, and oh suddenly it's the infiltration of 1886 01:55:15.039 --> 01:55:19.359 the the Freemasons. Right, that's an element, there's an element 1887 01:55:19.399 --> 01:55:22.079 of truth to that. But again, there are problems that 1888 01:55:22.199 --> 01:55:24.760 go back for the Even Malachi Martin in his Jesuit 1889 01:55:24.880 --> 01:55:28.119 book admits the problem of the Jesuits, and he was 1890 01:55:28.159 --> 01:55:30.760 a fake trad. Even the fake trads can know that 1891 01:55:30.840 --> 01:55:32.560 the Jesuits are a huge part of the problem. And 1892 01:55:32.600 --> 01:55:36.359 then it extends back even further than just the twentieth century. 1893 01:55:42.039 --> 01:55:42.880 Do you have any more. 1894 01:55:47.319 --> 01:55:48.720 No, I mean, do you have any more information or 1895 01:55:48.800 --> 01:55:51.199 anything else you want to touch on before we kind 1896 01:55:51.199 --> 01:55:53.079 of wrap it up. BELLA. Dodd That's what I was 1897 01:55:53.119 --> 01:55:55.279 trying to say. No, no, I'm not saying that Bella 1898 01:55:55.359 --> 01:56:02.239 Dodd's congressional testimony is fake. I'm not saying that Bella Dodd, though, 1899 01:56:02.479 --> 01:56:05.439 is putting out information. And a lot of the Cold 1900 01:56:05.520 --> 01:56:10.319 warrior people really thought that the enemy was the KGB 1901 01:56:10.479 --> 01:56:13.000 in Moscow. But that is a faux enemy, is what 1902 01:56:13.079 --> 01:56:15.399 I'm trying to stress to you, And even the Trads 1903 01:56:15.399 --> 01:56:18.319 are starting to finally figure this out. It's not the 1904 01:56:18.439 --> 01:56:21.199 KGB that's bringing in the new world order, it's the 1905 01:56:21.279 --> 01:56:24.119 Fortune one hundred. What I'm trying to tell you is 1906 01:56:24.199 --> 01:56:27.720 that the threat of communism in America was largely a 1907 01:56:27.840 --> 01:56:31.079 fake threat. The real threat was the Fortune one hundred, 1908 01:56:31.359 --> 01:56:34.720 who wanted the Cold War to transition us into the 1909 01:56:34.760 --> 01:56:36.760 period where we are now. That's why I've done a 1910 01:56:36.920 --> 01:56:41.279 thirty plus book analysis of the globalist writings of the 1911 01:56:41.359 --> 01:56:44.920 last century which shows this point. So it's not the 1912 01:56:45.039 --> 01:56:50.880 communists versus the West. It's the international elite who are 1913 01:56:51.039 --> 01:56:56.000 corporate who are bringing in this technocracy. That's the real plan. 1914 01:56:56.840 --> 01:57:00.600 And Francis and all his clown crew all part of 1915 01:57:00.680 --> 01:57:04.319 bringing in this new world ordered religion. They're the religious 1916 01:57:04.479 --> 01:57:05.840 arm of this same plan. 1917 01:57:06.479 --> 01:57:07.199 It's that simple. 1918 01:57:11.560 --> 01:57:14.920 Yeah, it's a continuation that a lot of people are 1919 01:57:14.960 --> 01:57:18.760 going to say that everything went wrong at the Vatican too. 1920 01:57:20.039 --> 01:57:23.359 It's a long work. And yeah, as a papacy at 1921 01:57:23.359 --> 01:57:28.439 the internet flows with them dogmatic in e canciology. He 1922 01:57:28.600 --> 01:57:33.520 started very early and like we've covered I's suestment, we've 1923 01:57:33.560 --> 01:57:37.640 covered hundreds of years of history, that single good one. 1924 01:57:38.640 --> 01:57:42.039 Yeah and yeah, all right, well, thank you for those 1925 01:57:42.279 --> 01:57:45.520 super chats there again, if you want to support his work, 1926 01:57:45.600 --> 01:57:48.920 I've got the links there in the show description, and 1927 01:57:49.000 --> 01:57:51.119 if you want to support Jay's analysis, you can subscribe 1928 01:57:51.119 --> 01:57:54.000 at my website, buy my books signed copies in the shop. 1929 01:57:54.079 --> 01:57:56.840 You can also join at the joint button. If you're 1930 01:57:56.840 --> 01:58:05.479 on a macro PC or you you can you can 1931 01:58:05.760 --> 01:58:08.840 just like and share. That's much appreciated as well. 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And then, of course 1940 01:58:39.199 --> 01:58:41.399 I would just say again for anybody who wants a 1941 01:58:41.560 --> 01:58:44.479 brief treatment of the of the theology and how the 1942 01:58:44.560 --> 01:58:47.680 theology it leads to the differences of practices and the practice, 1943 01:58:48.399 --> 01:58:53.359 read the debate between Palamas and a barley mite. That's 1944 01:58:53.560 --> 01:58:55.159 only I did a whole talk on it a couple 1945 01:58:55.159 --> 01:58:57.720 of weeks ago. It's only about one hundred pages. And 1946 01:58:58.079 --> 01:59:01.680 he even touches on the the differences of devotions that 1947 01:59:01.720 --> 01:59:04.560 were that were already becoming a parent back in his 1948 01:59:04.720 --> 01:59:06.880 century when he was debating the barley of mine and 1949 01:59:06.920 --> 01:59:08.800 the barley of mine is essentially just another kind of 1950 01:59:09.279 --> 01:59:11.079 roughly the tonistic type of position. 1951 01:59:11.920 --> 01:59:13.479 Roughly speaking, all. 1952 01:59:13.439 --> 01:59:17.720 Right, thank you Snach, great show, great talk, much appreciated 1953 01:59:17.760 --> 01:59:20.399 for all your information. Thank you everybody in the chat 1954 01:59:20.439 --> 01:59:23.199 and all the nerds, great show. Anything else you want 1955 01:59:23.239 --> 01:59:24.960 to say, I. 1956 01:59:25.039 --> 01:59:28.239 Know, thank you for having me, and will be available 1957 01:59:28.279 --> 01:59:30.119 if you want to go further on some topics, So 1958 01:59:30.239 --> 01:59:32.439 if you want to look at other things, and yeah, 1959 01:59:33.039 --> 01:59:36.720 keeping posted for the movie review about Silence, I would 1960 01:59:36.720 --> 01:59:37.720 really like to have your opinion. 1961 01:59:37.880 --> 01:59:38.079 Thank you. 1962 01:59:38.199 --> 01:59:39.279 I'm glad you reminded me of it. 1963 01:59:39.359 --> 01:59:40.760 There's so many movies I need to get to, but 1964 01:59:40.880 --> 01:59:42.439 all right, God bless everybody, have a good night.