Speaker 1: Oh, we're live. I'm here with has the Communist I
Speaker 1: was pretty quick. Yeah, they just kind of started it
Speaker 1: on us. So we can do a cut if we
Speaker 1: need to. But sure, you're what's your position in the
Speaker 1: Communist Party.
Speaker 2: I'm the executive chairman.
Speaker 1: Of the American Communist Party. Correct, yep, you know that
Speaker 1: you're the third member of that party. Very few people
Speaker 1: on the left will come on my show, but the
Speaker 1: third member of the American Communist Party. I like you guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we kind of just like don't have the cancel
Speaker 2: culture thing. We don't have like the political correctness, and
Speaker 2: so we can disagree with people about history and all
Speaker 2: these other kind of things, but we still believe that
Speaker 2: materially speaking, Americans do need to talk to each other
Speaker 2: about their different perspectives as long as we have core
Speaker 2: principles which are like I think, I think even you
Speaker 2: would agree on what an important principle would be like.
Speaker 2: For example, it's so easy for us to sell out
Speaker 2: to the system.
Speaker 1: Yes, to sell for money.
Speaker 2: Money they're waving the seven thousand dollars checks in everyone's faces.
Speaker 2: There's so much of an incentive to just be on
Speaker 2: board with whatever the agenda is because they are in power.
Speaker 2: They're in power, they have the money, and we're independent.
Speaker 2: We speak our conscience right.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing important. I talk to you guys
Speaker 1: like you like, we're not going to agree on everything,
Speaker 1: but I can see you're not a bad person. We
Speaker 1: hung out last night, we were laughing. I called Eddie.
Speaker 1: I'm like, hey, is this guy serious? Do you have
Speaker 1: a sense of humor? Because you look all serious with
Speaker 1: your gonz Eddie. He's like, no, No, he's cool. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think we got along great. It's like you want
Speaker 1: Merica to be better. We might not create every detail,
Speaker 1: but we can look. We can see the current system
Speaker 1: is completely screwing us right now.
Speaker 2: And why should people like you and I have a conflict. Yeah,
Speaker 2: while they get away, like while they're doing each other right,
Speaker 2: exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you're cool, we're laughing, having a good time
Speaker 1: last night.
Speaker 2: That's like that. I don't know if you heard of
Speaker 2: that whole thing of like in Italy the years of Lead,
Speaker 2: where basically, like the CIA and NATO deep state, we're
Speaker 2: promoting intense factional violence among you know, the extreme left
Speaker 2: and the extreme right. Meanwhile, they were consolidating full power
Speaker 2: for the neoliberals, the banksters and all these people. And
Speaker 2: then that's how Italy today is just ruled by banking class.
Speaker 1: Absolute we're going to agree on that part of the
Speaker 1: banking class. There's these scum ruling over us. I do
Speaker 1: think we should add real quick that you differentiate yourself
Speaker 1: from a lot of these communists, like the antifa left
Speaker 1: wing put the trans flag on their communist flag. You
Speaker 1: guys don't really get along at all, right, they don't
Speaker 1: like you, don't for the most part, you probably lively
Speaker 1: reach out. No, they don't.
Speaker 2: And to be clear, I've been a communist or I've
Speaker 2: been investigating communism since I was twelve years old, right,
Speaker 2: and then this new thing that came after twenty fifteen,
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, of people calling themselves Antifa, wearing masks and
Speaker 2: all this kind of stuff. People like me don't know
Speaker 2: where these people came. That's more recent time, that's absolutely recent.
Speaker 2: And you know, these this specific extreme political correctness, this
Speaker 2: like extreme liberal whatever I mean, that was never associated.
Speaker 2: I know old communists, I know people who actually come
Speaker 2: from that legacy, and all of us are just kind
Speaker 2: of sitting here, like where did that come from?
Speaker 1: I think The only reason I'm called right wing is
Speaker 1: because I'm against the political correct correctness, so that makes
Speaker 1: me far right.
Speaker 2: We're kind of talking about that yesterday, right, And you
Speaker 2: told me something I was so interesting. It's like when
Speaker 2: you were around with Occupy Wall Street, you were you
Speaker 2: would probably consider something more left wing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, because I agreed with what they're doing, right,
Speaker 1: But the bankers.
Speaker 2: But they they brought this crazy identity politics where they
Speaker 2: were saying, Okay, you know, if you're white, that's a problem. Yes,
Speaker 2: if you're a man, that's a problem. If you're straight,
Speaker 2: that's the issue. Right. And so there was all this
Speaker 2: energy and outrage toward the banks when we bailed them
Speaker 2: out on the right Bomby so rightfully. Absolutely, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden people started pouring in, shifting and
Speaker 2: diverting people's energy to the identity politics.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that made me rotate hers the right, even
Speaker 1: though the core it's to see stupid things. These do matter.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong, of course they matter, but it's
Speaker 1: a distraction. I realized.
Speaker 2: No, it was fun because if we're all on the
Speaker 2: same page about banding together and challenging the people who
Speaker 2: control all of our wealth, all of our finances, and
Speaker 2: all of our politicians are like, are the authority right
Speaker 2: because we live under them versus us?
Speaker 1: Absolutely right, Yeah, and just real quick for occupy wall
Speaker 1: shape not gonna get into it. People that don't know
Speaker 1: if you're but they basically the banks they engineered it,
Speaker 1: were giving out loans people couldn't pay back, and they
Speaker 1: would just take their homes back. But then they did
Speaker 1: just so many people. The homes came worth less than
Speaker 1: they'd owed. So they're like, oh shit, the banks are
Speaker 1: going to lose money. What do they do? They go
Speaker 1: to Congress, they get bilt out with trillions of dollars,
Speaker 1: they get bonuses. Why we lose our homes? Just sick.
Speaker 2: We don't spend any money on infrastructure, We don't spend
Speaker 2: any money taking care of our own people. They're so
Speaker 2: fringy and stingy when it comes to that. But as
Speaker 2: soon as it came to bailing out these banks that
Speaker 2: failed on the free market, you know, they're handing out trillions.
Speaker 1: It's communism for them.
Speaker 2: For us, that's it.
Speaker 1: So they get the bell out.
Speaker 2: We don't so like, you know, we communists are. We
Speaker 2: respond to that by saying, okay, well, since this is
Speaker 2: how the system is, why can't it work for us?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Well, I think it's important that I add before
Speaker 1: we get into explaining communism. I tried finding someone to
Speaker 1: debate you because I'm not super knowledgeable on this thing.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give a little pushback, but not a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm mostly gonna let you tell your story. I want
Speaker 1: someone debate you. Still, no one. People were pulling out
Speaker 1: like crazy. It really shocked me when you said, oh,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard to find someone debate me. I'm like, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: big name debater said no. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I try to be charitable and say there's a lot
Speaker 2: of unknowns debating me because I come from a perspective.
Speaker 2: Eddie comes from a perspective that doesn't fit within the
Speaker 2: like Obama era or Trump era, fake polarization that was
Speaker 2: created where people on the left are extremely sensitive identity
Speaker 2: politics types. Yeah, and then people on the right can
Speaker 2: tell funny jokes. Right, that's like such a stupid divide.
Speaker 1: Well, people try to in your too crazy, well, yell
Speaker 1: over him. You don't seem like he doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: any of that's true. I haven't said, like, no, I'll
Speaker 1: make sure that that's you know, I'm a fighter. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: no one at each other people. Oh no, he's too
Speaker 1: crazy about no people. They really don't want to debate
Speaker 1: you people.
Speaker 2: Okay, people. Remember the debates that I have where I yell,
Speaker 2: and if you look at those debates, almost every time
Speaker 2: I'm losing my temper, it's because they are like being
Speaker 2: extremely disrespectful, right but fair. Everyone ignores the debates that
Speaker 2: I have where I'm completely calm and civil. No, everyone
Speaker 2: pretends those don't happen, even though.
Speaker 1: They're matching their energy.
Speaker 2: I match their energy absolutely, and you know, okay, I
Speaker 2: have a temper whatever.
Speaker 1: I'll admit that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just like I can't just be like
Speaker 2: disrespected and I spit on dopect me right straight up.
Speaker 2: But like most of the debates I have, I would say,
Speaker 2: are pretty like chill. They're pretty calm, and when the
Speaker 2: other persons civil, I commit to being civil as well, right,
Speaker 2: regardless of whatever views that they have.
Speaker 1: So hopefully we'll be able to put some debates forwards in
Speaker 1: the future. But let's just start with let's give your
Speaker 1: definition of communism, because sometimes I think we have different
Speaker 1: ideas of what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would say that, Uh, fundamentally, what communism
Speaker 2: is about, right, is it's the basic demand of the
Speaker 2: majority of a population to put in command of the
Speaker 2: economic principles that make life possible, make a way of
Speaker 2: life possible, make our ability to earn a living, to
Speaker 2: have families, and so on and so on. That the
Speaker 2: commanding principle should be that of the common good more
Speaker 2: or less. So that's my simplistic definition. And a lot
Speaker 2: of people don't know that communism comes before Marx. Really, yeah, community, no,
Speaker 2: not at all. In fact, when Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto,
Speaker 2: the first opening lines, our specter is haunting Europe. Why
Speaker 2: because even before Marxist time there was a red scare.
Speaker 2: Before Marxist time, like the way we have a red
Speaker 2: scare now in a way where people are like, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, communism is this boogeyman or whatever. We can
Speaker 2: put a face on it and say that's Marx. But
Speaker 2: in Marxist time people were still getting free out by communism,
Speaker 2: but there was no face on it. And I'll tell
Speaker 2: you why, because that was a time where people's traditional
Speaker 2: ways of life, most people had their own land, they
Speaker 2: had a traditional way of life, where they just could
Speaker 2: raise a family whatever. There was a rhythm to life,
Speaker 2: so to speak. There was a predictability, right. But then
Speaker 2: what ended up happening is that through debt people's land
Speaker 2: started to get expropriated in something called because they owed money,
Speaker 2: so they went bankrupt and the capitalists or landlords would
Speaker 2: come in and gobble up their land. And that was
Speaker 2: something in England. It was called the enclosures, right where
Speaker 2: basically people that were living on common land suddenly found
Speaker 2: themselves living on private land.
Speaker 1: People kind of bought it out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: Out of nowhere, right, it used to be private, it
Speaker 2: used to be just common land. We bought this life.
Speaker 2: Exact process. It was the exact thing is what's going
Speaker 2: on in Palestine. And as a matter of fact, Marx
Speaker 2: earned his first bit of fame when he was a
Speaker 2: journalist reporting on something I don't want to bore people,
Speaker 2: but this is important. It was on the theft of
Speaker 2: wood in the Brandenburg Forest, I believe what was called
Speaker 2: in Germany. So there was these peasants in Germany that
Speaker 2: for hundreds and hundreds of years, when when branches would
Speaker 2: fall on the ground from trees, they would go and
Speaker 2: collect the branches.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 2: It was implicitly understood, this is all common. They've fallen down,
Speaker 2: they've fallen down. We own it together, right, and they
Speaker 2: would it was crucial for them to heat their homes.
Speaker 2: This wood. It was like where they would get their
Speaker 2: energy from.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Suddenly, because of capitalistic reforms that happened in Prussia, Parliament
Speaker 2: wanted to introduce or the the whatever it was called.
Speaker 2: They were trying to introduce a new law privatizing that land,
Speaker 2: saying when they're picking up that wood, it's actually theft.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm mentioning this because in this day
Speaker 2: and age, isn't that kind of sound familiar? Right, where
Speaker 2: there's so many things that we used to just have
Speaker 2: for free charges for water, and that's.
Speaker 1: What I mean.
Speaker 2: They just start in closing it and then suddenly it's
Speaker 2: no longer free. You have to pay for it, right,
Speaker 2: it's commodified. So it's like, because all of this stuff
Speaker 2: was happening in Europe right the rise of capitalism, people
Speaker 2: could no longer afford their traditional way of life. If
Speaker 2: you're a familiarzz yeah exactly, if you're a peasant, you're
Speaker 2: collecting what okay, now you're stealing now you're living on land.
Speaker 2: Now the land is private property owned by some landlord,
Speaker 2: and you can't pay to afford it anymore. So what
Speaker 2: ended up happening is the majority of people became proletarians.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: A proletarian is somebody who owns nothing except the labor
Speaker 2: that they have that they could sell. So doesn't that
Speaker 2: remind you of today where people's traditional way of life
Speaker 2: was completely disrupted because of two thousand and eight and
Speaker 2: other things. They can no longer afford homes, they could
Speaker 2: no longer afford to basically get by in a you know,
Speaker 2: the white picket fence American dream kind of style way.
Speaker 2: Now they're going and doing Uber and they're doing door dash,
Speaker 2: and they're doing gigs services, just.
Speaker 1: A lot of grandmas and stuff. A lot of people
Speaker 1: are really struggling right now. It's like some of these
Speaker 1: people are out of touch. Yeah, they don't really. People
Speaker 1: could barely put gas in their car. It's that.
Speaker 2: So the same thing that was happening then is now
Speaker 2: happening today, just in a different way and primarily driven
Speaker 2: by automation and AI. Right, And that's why I think
Speaker 2: Marxism is important in a way, or what Marx was
Speaker 2: at least trying to talk about and write about. We
Speaker 2: find parallels between that and what's going on now. Right,
Speaker 2: So communism in the midst of all this was this
Speaker 2: growing sentiment among the population even before Marx that was saying, hey,
Speaker 2: this is bullshit. You know, we need we need to
Speaker 2: change the property relations, this thing about turning everything into
Speaker 2: private property and stuff, and we need to restore a
Speaker 2: principle of the common good, and we need to kind
Speaker 2: of restore or at least acquire some kind of sense
Speaker 2: of you know, common welfare and common existence that we
Speaker 2: have clearly lost, right because like we can no longer
Speaker 2: sustainably get by anymore.
Speaker 1: Right, it's kind of pointing in that direction now. And
Speaker 1: there's ridiculous things. I'll use the example from yesterday, the
Speaker 1: hotel a fifty three dollar resort fee, Like, isn't the
Speaker 1: hotel price like what is that fifty All the hotels
Speaker 1: in Vegas have that? What is that cover? So you
Speaker 1: could use their pool? Shouldn't the hotel price cover that?
Speaker 2: And Yeah, and the way they jack up rents all
Speaker 2: the time.
Speaker 1: They can no matter what it is, they'll call you
Speaker 1: like these apartment buildings, do it. I have lived in
Speaker 1: they'll just raise it as even subscription services, every every
Speaker 1: every lot of times. It makes more sense to move
Speaker 1: because they try raising it so much. They're just greedy
Speaker 1: trying to suck. And I agree with you aspect that's
Speaker 1: been talking to on some things, but I agree with you.
Speaker 2: Basically, like read, people in power felt guilty in a way,
Speaker 2: or they they knew that what they were doing they
Speaker 2: couldn't get away with forever. So they created a red
Speaker 2: scare even before marks exist, you know, the boogeyman of communism,
Speaker 2: so that anytime somebody raised an objection to what was
Speaker 2: going on, anytime somebody said, you know, the current direction
Speaker 2: of society or how it's being driven and how it's
Speaker 2: developing is unfair to the majority of people, they would say,
Speaker 2: this is communism. You want to communalize everything, you want
Speaker 2: everyone to share everything, all the same arguments that we
Speaker 2: were taught in classrooms growing up in America about communism.
Speaker 2: With the red scare, even before Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto,
Speaker 2: the elites, the people who, the landlords, the capitalists, they
Speaker 2: were pushing the same straw man. Because people people aren't
Speaker 2: demanding that we all share a toothbrush. Yeah, and all
Speaker 2: these ridiculous things sharing lives and all this nonsense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to get into some of this right, right,
Speaker 1: the things that I think, I just agree with you perspective.
Speaker 2: But like from the beginning, it was like, you're, okay,
Speaker 2: you're a communist. It was a boogeyman word, right it is?
Speaker 2: And what market So I'm picking a communist part. Like
Speaker 2: what what Marx and Co. Did Is they said, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is your boogeyman word. We're gonna embrace that because
Speaker 2: we need we need a comprehensively revolutionary position against the
Speaker 2: status quo, which is fundamentally incompatible with human dignity. So
Speaker 2: they proudly adopted the label communist right, which which had
Speaker 2: been a boogeyman scary word in Europe at the time,
Speaker 2: and they said, okay, we are the communists. We do
Speaker 2: believe in a comprehensively revolutionary change that needs to happen
Speaker 2: because society does not work for human beings.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not working right now in America. I
Speaker 1: think anyone can kind of see that times are tough,
Speaker 1: Like was it six months ago or something? I think
Speaker 1: they cut the food stamps and I have a house
Speaker 1: I rent out the girl called me all stressed out.
Speaker 1: She's asking she coud get fifty dollars off because she
Speaker 1: couldn't afford to feed her kids, Like just take the
Speaker 1: month off. She started like crying because.
Speaker 2: People are using a new app called Klarna.
Speaker 1: You heard that, you mentioned it yesterday. What's it do?
Speaker 2: It's like people can no longer afford like food and stuff,
Speaker 2: so basically there's this new app that they have to
Speaker 2: uh that they're using to just like take out short
Speaker 2: term loans basically to eat.
Speaker 1: And you realize, like, I'm not rich, but I'm doing okay.
Speaker 1: But when you hear someone saying I'm trying to feed
Speaker 1: my kids fifty dollars, it's like, just give them a
Speaker 1: little more. People are too greedy. They never want to
Speaker 1: like if you have a little extra, it doesn't hurt
Speaker 1: to give someone sometimes.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, you know, the thing that Mark's
Speaker 2: introduced to communism was he emphasized something that I think
Speaker 2: is pretty fundamental, which is our society is just no
Speaker 2: longer human. This is not for human beings. It's human
Speaker 2: beings have kids. Human beings can't afford them. We can't
Speaker 2: afford them. So what is this for? It's clearly not
Speaker 2: for human beings. It's for some other principle.
Speaker 1: It's the communism. It's like capitalists for US. Communists for
Speaker 1: they take everything. I don't know how you heard that.
Speaker 2: They take everything, and they are not even building a
Speaker 2: human society. They are worshiping Mammon, and and now we're
Speaker 2: cattle exactly, we're cattle now. And then now the highest
Speaker 2: circles of the ruling elite even openly say they want
Speaker 2: to just create an AI that's going to replace humanity.
Speaker 1: They don't even heide it. They don't get something that
Speaker 1: we might disagree on. Right, Okay, I'd like to start
Speaker 1: businesses working hard. I do think we should like share
Speaker 1: a little, but I do think people should make completely
Speaker 1: different amounts of money. I think you should be able
Speaker 1: to start businesses, you know, at having employees. Some people
Speaker 1: are a lot better worker than others. So I think
Speaker 1: maybe everyone deserves a job that wants to work. But
Speaker 1: I think we're also not equal. So what are your
Speaker 1: thoughts and how does communism or your version of communism
Speaker 1: deal with stuff like that.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't mean to sound like a like
Speaker 2: a religious fanatic constantly quoting the scripture, but Funnily enough,
Speaker 2: Marx and Engels were the ones who insisted on the
Speaker 2: fact that human beings are not equal. They said, human
Speaker 2: beings have different skills, human beings are physically different, they
Speaker 2: have different mental capacity. To absolutely, they said, equality actually
Speaker 2: is an outdated term that comes from the bourgeoisie, right,
Speaker 2: because you know, they created this framework of democracy and
Speaker 2: universal equality before the law, where we're all equal before
Speaker 2: the law, which is a good principle, right for a
Speaker 2: lot for the.
Speaker 1: Law, right, right.
Speaker 2: And then they said for communists, equality is not really
Speaker 2: the fundamental principle because we are actually different. Right. But
Speaker 2: I think the point is we should allow our differences
Speaker 2: to manifest in a natural way rather than in a because,
Speaker 2: for example, dynastic monopolistic control by force is not you know,
Speaker 2: the assertion of natural skill differences. I think there's a
Speaker 2: lot of talent and natural skill. It's actually being suppressed
Speaker 2: because of the system, right, because of the institutions. But
Speaker 2: you do raise a good point, which is, well, what
Speaker 2: about initiative, what about entrepreneurship? What about the ability to
Speaker 2: break away from the norm of what people are doing
Speaker 2: and you know, have the resources and the ability to experiment,
Speaker 2: to do something new.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I don't think that's incompatible with communism at all. In fact,
Speaker 2: I would say something people would find very shocking. Entrepreneurship
Speaker 2: is not incompatible with communism. All entrepreneurship means is you're
Speaker 2: going to take the initiative. You're going to take an
Speaker 2: enterprising initiative to be more efficient economically and create economically, right,
Speaker 2: And communists don't want to eliminate that.
Speaker 1: You know, do you all make the same amount money
Speaker 1: or no? No, no, there's your communism. We're not all
Speaker 1: getting paid exactly.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not, there's no. I mean, people have very reasonable
Speaker 2: people have different real Look, if someone is using resources
Speaker 2: in an efficient way, they should be given more resources.
Speaker 1: I work a lot harder than most people. Yes I'm
Speaker 1: not like greedy, but I feel like if I'm doing
Speaker 1: a lot more work, why should I equally share the
Speaker 1: money if someone's not. But I also think I don't
Speaker 1: want my fellow mental live and poverty either.
Speaker 2: That's that's what I mean. It's like, you know, at
Speaker 2: a certain level, the majority of the inequality in our
Speaker 2: society is not simply an inequality between individuals. Although that's
Speaker 2: a very big problem. I would say, you know, when
Speaker 2: when you have some people that can't afford to feed
Speaker 2: their kids, is a problem, and then some people that
Speaker 2: just like are are are just wastefully just buying twenty yachts, so.
Speaker 1: Going, yeah, ThReD millionaire, right, that guy's actually cool. But
Speaker 1: sometimes these clubs will buy bottles and like pour out champagne,
Speaker 1: right right.
Speaker 2: I think that's I think that's like, that's like a
Speaker 2: cultural problem mainly, I think though economically speaking, the main
Speaker 2: inequality has to do with the immense concentration of power
Speaker 2: and leverage in institutions that don't have our best interests
Speaker 2: at heart, right, like Black Rock and these financials, But
Speaker 2: they don't operate on a principle, despite owning and controlling
Speaker 2: the majority of all the wealth that we have, they
Speaker 2: don't care about us, you know what I.
Speaker 1: Mean, at all? At all, right, at all.
Speaker 2: And they still depend on us by the way they
Speaker 2: depend on us, because we're giving them the data. We're
Speaker 2: giving them our data, we're giving them our labor. We're
Speaker 2: we're the ones who are producing like the the things
Speaker 2: that they're gobbling up and stealing in the first place.
Speaker 2: And yet even though we are like the raw material
Speaker 2: and the sore so of the wealth they don't care
Speaker 2: about our well being at all. They don't care about reproducing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so here, somewhere we'll all actually take the communist
Speaker 1: position or I don't know if that'd be the right term.
Speaker 1: Black rock and blackstone. They're buying up homes like crazy
Speaker 1: y Vegas. Last year, twenty five percent of the homes
Speaker 1: that were bought. But then, why are we letting these
Speaker 1: places buy homes that should completely be banded. I don't
Speaker 1: know if that would be communism, But that's a ton.
Speaker 2: Of peo, and they're buying them to speculate. They're not
Speaker 2: buying them to make it more efficient for people to
Speaker 2: live in.
Speaker 1: That's just driving up the cost. Now young people can't
Speaker 1: get homes. I also say, okay, if I own a home,
Speaker 1: why do I care how much what my home is worth.
Speaker 1: It's the price my home goes down a little bit,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because I live there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And then that's you know, that's that's that's where
Speaker 2: the communist critique of private property comes from. Now, we
Speaker 2: when we think of private property, think of personal property.
Speaker 2: We think of our homes, the things that we actually
Speaker 2: do and use and work with.
Speaker 1: And I want to be able to own my home.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, it's normal and natural that a human being
Speaker 2: wants to be in possession of the things that they
Speaker 2: use right and have. But it's in the name of
Speaker 2: private property that Black Rock gets away with doing all this. Right,
Speaker 2: they're just saying, well, it's our private property. There's you
Speaker 2: can't you can't raise any social concern about it because
Speaker 2: this is just our private.
Speaker 1: The right to have trillions of dollars buy politicians. I
Speaker 1: think the Supreme Court ruled it is okay to buy
Speaker 1: our politicians.
Speaker 2: And yeah, so we legalize corruption. We institutionalized corruption, and
Speaker 2: then moreover to add insult to injury, the monopoly on
Speaker 2: the creation of the wealth and credit in the first
Speaker 2: place they control. It's not even the government that's in
Speaker 2: command of federal reserve banks. They're private cartel of banks,
Speaker 2: private banks.
Speaker 1: That print money and then they charge us interest on it.
Speaker 2: They print money on our dime make life more unaffordable
Speaker 2: for us when they print the money, meaning you know,
Speaker 2: interest on servicing the national debt not only increases our
Speaker 2: tax burden, but it increases inflation, It increases all these
Speaker 2: kind of like austerity measures by the government that take
Speaker 2: away our services, so life gets worse for us, right
Speaker 2: while they do this, and then meanwhile, what are they
Speaker 2: doing with the money that they print? Giving it to themselves, yeah,
Speaker 2: to have and.
Speaker 1: Giving it to themselves they charge interest, giving it.
Speaker 2: To themselves to swallow up and take control over what
Speaker 2: little wealthy American people.
Speaker 1: All right, so the homes, the banks own most of
Speaker 1: the homes, not you, unless that's all they pay off. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: people don't get mad. Oh you're talking to a communists.
Speaker 1: They should be mad at these vampires.
Speaker 2: Well, look, we never were such an anti communist nation
Speaker 2: until the Cold War when the CIA started taking command
Speaker 2: over the media in the country, which they did Hollywood,
Speaker 2: the media and a group well yeah, design, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you know, people don't know this, but the CIA
Speaker 2: directly has curatorial control over everything that Hollywood produces, over
Speaker 2: everything that we're seeing on TV, and YadA, YadA, YadA,
Speaker 2: because a lot of the times these studios depend upon
Speaker 2: government contracts and subsidies, right, In order to get those
Speaker 2: subsidies and contracts, and sometimes in action movies to use
Speaker 2: government stuff, the CIA has the final say on the scripts. Right,
Speaker 2: And since World War Two, in the post war period especially,
Speaker 2: the CIA has basically intervene in almost every piece of
Speaker 2: media that's ever been put out to ensure that it
Speaker 2: aligns with anti communist principles. And why was this because
Speaker 2: ultimately it was the Rockefellers, the Morgans and others, Rothschilds
Speaker 2: as well older money that came from across the pond.
Speaker 2: More or less, they were very threatened by communism. Okay,
Speaker 2: they were very threatened.
Speaker 1: They would lose some of their wealth and power.
Speaker 2: Not some, all of it, They'd lose all of it, right,
Speaker 2: And they were extremely hell bent on ensuring that all Americans,
Speaker 2: every generation of Americans that grows up, when they hear
Speaker 2: the word communism, it would be a red scare.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people just recoil like he's a communist.
Speaker 2: They did. They are so meticulously psychological in terms of
Speaker 2: their method of convincing people that communism is the worst
Speaker 2: thing ever that they made it about. Okay, they're no
Speaker 2: longer going to have a monopoly on our entire existence.
Speaker 2: They're no longer to control all of our wealth and
Speaker 2: have our entire country and economy run on the basis
Speaker 2: of profit mongoring. They went from that to, Okay, the
Speaker 2: communists want to take your homes away. They want to
Speaker 2: take your opportunities away. Don't want to take false No,
Speaker 2: that's absolutely false.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's important understanding what you mean
Speaker 1: when you say communism, because obviously think you should own
Speaker 1: a home. I guess another tough question gets how much
Speaker 1: wealth can you have? Can you have a few mill?
Speaker 1: Like where? I think?
Speaker 2: Look, wealth, when it gets to a level of scale,
Speaker 2: entails responsibility. Right, You're ultimately becoming responsible for a part
Speaker 2: of society. And you know, I think that at a
Speaker 2: certain scale. I mean even in China, for example, they
Speaker 2: have even these are state owned enterprises, right, what we're
Speaker 2: talking about there are effective managers. You're an effective manager
Speaker 2: for a commonwealth or a common industry, a common division
Speaker 2: of labor that we depend on, right, at a certain level,
Speaker 2: and it's natural, it's only natural that such people that
Speaker 2: have such a high degree of responsibility, talent and skill
Speaker 2: do have a higher status.
Speaker 1: You know. We don't believe everyone that is important to me? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And I don't need to be greedy. And it's not
Speaker 1: trying to pay my workers good too. Well, you're but
Speaker 1: I have been making money to do that as well.
Speaker 1: But whenever since make more little money, I give my workers.
Speaker 1: Rea want them happy, you don't want them miserable.
Speaker 2: Take the MMA, So, for example, MMA fighters who are successful,
Speaker 2: they're champions, they're glorified, they're celebrities, they're heroes. In communist countries,
Speaker 2: you did not have an equality of status. People that
Speaker 2: were people that performed exceptionally stars, not only athletes, managers,
Speaker 2: people that were innovative scientists, and so on and so on.
Speaker 2: These people were glory. Statues were built of them. They
Speaker 2: had high prestige within society, they were highly respected. There's
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with their being variants when it comes to
Speaker 2: those kinds.
Speaker 1: Because we're just not all the same is humans that
Speaker 1: they're none naturally, absolutely not. You can't take that away.
Speaker 2: You can't.
Speaker 1: You can't.
Speaker 2: You can't take away the natural variation that comes in
Speaker 2: human ability and skill. But at the same time, there's
Speaker 2: no individual variability that can justify an individual claiming to
Speaker 2: section off an entire part of society, claim it's their
Speaker 2: private property, and govern this section on a basis that
Speaker 2: has no regard for humanity at all or for all.
Speaker 1: These companies get handed like the Natural Resources of America
Speaker 1: who gave them that run, to be circled back to us.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, our natural resources, our energy, our common inheritance. These
Speaker 2: things should be owned by we the people in the
Speaker 2: sense that they are put into the service of our
Speaker 2: common good as a people.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I think in Alaska, I think they all
Speaker 1: get given money because the oil they have. That's pretty
Speaker 1: common in communism. So like, why does that like get
Speaker 1: left alone? Wouldn't that couldn't you argue as communism?
Speaker 2: Well you could argue that it. It definitely aligns more
Speaker 2: with the communistic principle than.
Speaker 1: The contistic people live in Alaska.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I wouldn't say, I wouldn't call
Speaker 2: it communists necessarily, but I get your point. You know,
Speaker 2: you're running something on the base.
Speaker 1: Share in the money to people. They don't do that
Speaker 1: anywhere else.
Speaker 2: Well, they do it in some countries, but not in
Speaker 2: the US. Not not in the US.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't mind getting given three thousand dollars every month from
Speaker 1: the oil? And it makes sense.
Speaker 2: So if it's the oil we are actually we're on
Speaker 2: track to be the number one energy producing oil producing
Speaker 2: nation in the world.
Speaker 1: Where does that money go?
Speaker 2: Not to us, certainly not to us.
Speaker 1: We pay taxes. Where does that money go?
Speaker 2: It goes to servicing the national debt.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they print more money. That's another tax. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: the taxes in our houses sells tax.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It'd be one thing if we had this amazing country
Speaker 1: with schools, roads, great roads, but we.
Speaker 2: Don't like China, for example, they have high speed rail.
Speaker 2: They have excellent public infrastructure. I mean, say what you
Speaker 2: want about China, nobody can disagree with the fact they
Speaker 2: have world class public infrastructure.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, Jackson Actually Jackson invited me to come
Speaker 1: out to China when I was in Vietnam, but I
Speaker 1: couldn't make it. People have mad. It makes I made
Speaker 1: a post just simply simply sharing what I see with
Speaker 1: my own eisoneers that Vietnam was thriving. People. It's called me,
Speaker 1: you know, bad way, but I can just see. You
Speaker 1: can see when a country is thriving. They have pride,
Speaker 1: they're making nice bridges, they're building well, they're trying.
Speaker 2: They're trying to They tried to convince us that communism
Speaker 2: is anti American, that you're somehow a trader to this.
Speaker 1: Country people a trader and stuff for simply saying, you know.
Speaker 2: What doesn't make sense to me. Aren't the traders the
Speaker 2: people who don't love their country and love their people.
Speaker 2: Aren't the traders, the people who want to sell our
Speaker 2: country on the cheap to international financiers and banksters.
Speaker 1: Traders.
Speaker 2: The real patriots are the ones who want to see
Speaker 2: their neighbors, if not thriving, at the very least living
Speaker 2: a dignified life.
Speaker 1: I don't want to.
Speaker 2: I don't want my campaign atriots to be oding on drugs,
Speaker 2: to be living in despair.
Speaker 1: I don't want.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see mothers who are my compatriots
Speaker 2: and the nation that I live in struggle to feed
Speaker 2: their kids.
Speaker 1: You know, I agree. I think this is an area
Speaker 1: where like some of these far left wing communists they
Speaker 1: support like criminals, drug addicts, they try to act like
Speaker 1: them roun free. And I think you differ in.
Speaker 2: Your absolutely because yeah, because look, no communist state in
Speaker 2: history permitted anti social hooliganistic behavior. Yeah you know, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: You you enforce and support pro social values. You know,
Speaker 2: you don't allow people to be an enemy of the
Speaker 2: well being of society and making it dangerous for our
Speaker 2: kids to be on public transportation or for women to
Speaker 2: walk around safely at night. And say what you want
Speaker 2: about you know, communists, you go to a communist state.
Speaker 2: At almost any point in history, it was very safe
Speaker 2: for a woman to walk out in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night and feel.
Speaker 1: They should be but it's not.
Speaker 2: No, it's not it's at all. And you know it's
Speaker 2: that's actually a crazy thing. How women can't even like
Speaker 2: walk alone in public.
Speaker 1: Right, especially for fear. It's terrible champions even during the day.
Speaker 1: And these guys, it'll be the same view people arrested
Speaker 1: over and over and over, and they'll be like, oh,
Speaker 1: they're the victims. At some point, you got to be
Speaker 1: this person's a detriment society, and you have to handle
Speaker 1: them some way, some way, harshly.
Speaker 2: You have to harshly punish all the criminal, anti social
Speaker 2: behavior that comes from the top and the bottom. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, we do have a special responsibility
Speaker 2: to address the causes. Yeah, you know, I agree address
Speaker 2: the causes. I mean, look, I believe we have free will.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say that all of the bad
Speaker 2: behavior of the people that exist in this country is
Speaker 2: purely a consequence of the social conditions, but I will
Speaker 2: say a whole lot of it is probably well, it
Speaker 2: doesn't help.
Speaker 1: Like when the way Oxy cotton On and then COVID
Speaker 1: they shut down the country. What are you gonna do? Oh?
Speaker 1: Do ox cotton? I feel better. I'm sitting here bored,
Speaker 1: depressed at home.
Speaker 2: When people aren't raised right, they don't have a good environment,
Speaker 2: they don't have good schooling, don't have good access to
Speaker 2: you know, basic community, communal values, you know, culture.
Speaker 1: These everything. I think here's a good question. These left
Speaker 1: wing communists, I don't think you're part of They try
Speaker 1: to attack the family and the father, Like, what's your
Speaker 1: thoughts on that? Yeah, so.
Speaker 2: This is another thing that we you know, it's almost
Speaker 2: like there's a there's a there's a section of people
Speaker 2: in this country calling themselves communists who are internalizing all
Speaker 2: the anti communists propaganda that Americans were fed with and saying, yes,
Speaker 2: we embrace that. You know, we want to get rid
Speaker 2: of families, we want to absolutely we hate our country.
Speaker 2: We hate you know, we hate everything about America. You know,
Speaker 2: the majority of people white people are bad and so
Speaker 2: on and so on, and you know, my response to
Speaker 2: it is that these people are usually I would to
Speaker 2: be charitable, I would say maybe they're younger, they're just edgyts.
Speaker 2: A lot of them are younger, A lot of them
Speaker 2: are struggling and have issues with their own families.
Speaker 1: Probably maybe they didn't have the father there for them.
Speaker 2: They probably and you know what, look, what is the
Speaker 2: ultimate cause of the degradation of the basic respect for
Speaker 2: your father in the home. Probably the proletarianization of the
Speaker 2: majority of people where the father is, you know, losing
Speaker 2: his entire income, his way of life.
Speaker 1: He can get depressed, follows get depressed.
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Speaker 2: of his family, he's the.
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Speaker 2: No, I mean that's a huge factor. But it's profoundly
Speaker 2: embarrassing to US communists who are aligned with the main
Speaker 2: current around the world of communism. I mean, I can't
Speaker 2: believe we went from like I remember, like back in
Speaker 2: the day, there were like liberals who were like, oh,
Speaker 2: a real communism was never tried, And then conservatives would
Speaker 2: be like, no, communism is what you have in China, Russia, Vietnam, whatever,
Speaker 2: you know, that's the real one, you know, and you
Speaker 2: better own it.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm here trying to be like, look these people running
Speaker 2: around saying they want to abolish families and destroy families.
Speaker 2: That's not the norm for communists in real communist countries.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: China is a very pro family. Even the Soviet Union
Speaker 2: very much promoted family values, motherhood, fatherhood, all those kind
Speaker 2: of things. So it's it's those people who are saying that.
Speaker 2: I think that they are just kind of liberals gone mad,
Speaker 2: liberals gone extreme, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and trying to make excuses. They maybe they see
Speaker 1: a lot of black people without fathers, like oh, it's
Speaker 1: a good thing. It's like, no, it's not a good thing,
Speaker 1: not having a father.
Speaker 2: I think what it is is people who have just
Speaker 2: failed to become socialized in a normal way. They just
Speaker 2: adopted antisocial tendencies. Because you think about it, what kind
Speaker 2: of person wants to break up and destroy families? Just
Speaker 2: a profoundly destructive sick Yeah, these people are sick in
Speaker 2: the head basically, and they have nothing to do with communists.
Speaker 1: With you too much, I need to get something to
Speaker 1: debate you. When Vietnam imposted about people all in the
Speaker 1: comments are saying that they're capitalists, not communists. Technically, I
Speaker 1: know for sure they're communists. They say they're communists. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: No, they are communists. I mean people are confused about
Speaker 2: what communism is. So communism is first of all a
Speaker 2: guiding principle. It's not necessarily a specific form of how
Speaker 2: society is organized in the sense of like it looks
Speaker 2: a certain way. Specifically, it's more like it's run in
Speaker 2: a certain way.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So Vietnam and China exist in the same world that
Speaker 2: we do, right, It's not like you can so in
Speaker 2: the theory of Marxism, there's different modes of production, there's
Speaker 2: different economic systems that are determined by history.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So you know in the past there was a slave
Speaker 2: society in ancient Greece at Rome, you had feudalism, then
Speaker 2: you have capitalism, and then after it's supposed to come socialism.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: A communist state is not one that has necessarily created
Speaker 2: a mode of production that is totally separate from the
Speaker 2: rest of the world and is isolated from the rest
Speaker 2: of the world. It's just one that runs the society
Speaker 2: that it's in charge of and puts in command a
Speaker 2: different guiding economic principle. So if you look at Vietnam,
Speaker 2: Vietnam has money, Vietnam has markets, they have exchange, they
Speaker 2: have very low tax rates, they have businesses and entrepreneurship.
Speaker 1: Fast after their tax rates, and they're like, oh about
Speaker 1: twenty dollars a month. Yeah, yeah, not hi Ei, They're
Speaker 1: like no, not at all, and like you get all
Speaker 1: this stuff for free. Yeah, it's great, It's.
Speaker 2: Just like China, right, Yeah, But believe that the way
Speaker 2: the communists respond to the contradictions that typically will arise
Speaker 2: in a capitalist country. So, for example, the rise of
Speaker 2: potentially corrupt uh you know, the corrupt first of all,
Speaker 2: the corruption of the state, corruption of the political rule, right,
Speaker 2: China proved well, when you have communists in charge, you
Speaker 2: can respond to that a lot more effectively. Jijiinpin comes
Speaker 2: to power, purges all the corrupt officials, and to this
Speaker 2: day they're sending sentencing billionaires to death all the time.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that first of all, that's another that's a
Speaker 2: great example of what communist leadership looks like. The second
Speaker 2: example is when our country enters into a kind of
Speaker 2: economic crisis and does need intervention by the state to
Speaker 2: be billed out, how is that going to be handled?
Speaker 2: Is it going to be like in two thousand and
Speaker 2: eight with Obama or is it going to be entirely different?
Speaker 2: And again we see in Vietnam and China other communist
Speaker 2: countries they respond to their economic problems a lot differently. Thirdly,
Speaker 2: you have, for example, what is the mode of development, right,
Speaker 2: which is like okay, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: there's going to be things that are common in society
Speaker 2: like infrastructure, land, water, energy, and so on and so
Speaker 2: on natural resources which ultimately are not going to be
Speaker 2: determined by market forces, right, So who should have power
Speaker 2: over that and what relation to society should that be? Yeah,
Speaker 2: in those countries, the state has full control over those things.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So in this way they prevent the emergence of Rockefellers
Speaker 2: and Morgans and other kind of monopolies. And they use
Speaker 2: that power and leverage they have over the main means
Speaker 2: of production of society to ensure a smooth development and
Speaker 2: well being and prosperity for the rest of society. In
Speaker 2: those countries, they're not trying to force, you know, people
Speaker 2: to live a radically different lifestyle than what is normal
Speaker 2: in a country like you know in America. Right, people
Speaker 2: are still living in a normal modern society. But they
Speaker 2: have this powerful guiding economic principle that's ensuring that the
Speaker 2: capitalistic principle never comes into command, and that The theory
Speaker 2: of the communist is they can, when the time comes,
Speaker 2: smoothly transition into the higher mode of production, and the
Speaker 2: communist motive production is thought to be or speculated to
Speaker 2: be you know, based more on a principle of to
Speaker 2: each from each according to their ability, to each according
Speaker 2: to their needs. So we're talking about a society of
Speaker 2: super abundance more or less, where we have so much
Speaker 2: wealth and we produce so much and so much of
Speaker 2: it is automated that people no longer have to worry
Speaker 2: about survival anymore, and people are free to cultivate their scientific,
Speaker 2: their artistic and that's considered like, you know, a far.
Speaker 1: Off the utopia dream you're going for. We are the
Speaker 1: richest country in the world right now. Does it feel
Speaker 1: like it?
Speaker 2: No, absolutely, it doesn't. You know, it's uh it. We
Speaker 2: we have the immense capacity as a country. We have
Speaker 2: so much natural wealth, talent, ability and uh and land.
Speaker 2: And there's no excuse for why life is deteriorating so
Speaker 2: rapidly at the rate that it is now.
Speaker 1: We should all be able to agree that America is
Speaker 1: on a decline. I think anyone can see it. With
Speaker 1: the drug addiction, the homelessness, the despair.
Speaker 2: That's that's kind of a point of emphasis I like
Speaker 2: to make as a communist. You know, it's not necessarily
Speaker 2: about what does society look like now it's what what
Speaker 2: is it developing toward? What principle is guiding the development?
Speaker 2: Because China is not like some crazy country that like
Speaker 2: you know, organizes everyone into barracks wearing the same clothes
Speaker 2: and no, it's just it's a modern society like us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but they're yeah, like or Vietnam.
Speaker 1: But I felt that blooming the pride that people living happy.
Speaker 1: I could fill the pride in the country.
Speaker 2: Because they're still here because their their future is being
Speaker 2: guided by a different principle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're coming out of like poverty, don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong. So, but you could feel it expanding and growing.
Speaker 2: And to be clear, the reason why in the past
Speaker 2: you had communist countries look so rigid and uniform and
Speaker 2: you know, like in the Soviet Union Order Stalin or
Speaker 2: a lot of the period under MAO, where there was
Speaker 2: not a lot of wealth and things were pretty standardized.
Speaker 2: They were never coming from the same starting point as us.
Speaker 2: They started out with nothing, you know. So their goal
Speaker 2: is I'm just got completely destroyed by America, yeah, or
Speaker 2: China or Russia. Uh these are these are these were
Speaker 2: backwater agrarian countries. So their primary goal, which I think
Speaker 2: was intelligent actually they said, Okay, we don't care about markets,
Speaker 2: We don't care about you know, uh, emphasizing consumer goods.
Speaker 2: Right now, we need to build up our productive forces.
Speaker 2: We need massive steel industry, We need massive industrial systems around. Look,
Speaker 2: we need dams, we need enter g we need irrigation
Speaker 2: systems and so on and so on, and that has
Speaker 2: to be like, you know, all society needs to get
Speaker 2: come together, work together in these like five year plans
Speaker 2: and basically build out the basic foundations of a modern economy.
Speaker 1: Right we need to get some pride though where we
Speaker 1: care and we want to make where.
Speaker 2: We don't have to take out loans from foreign banks.
Speaker 2: We will use our labor to basically build up the foundation,
Speaker 2: and then once we do that, we can become more
Speaker 2: of a modern economy. In modern society. We can have
Speaker 2: room for markets, we can have room for consumerism and
Speaker 2: stuff like that. But it's you know, it's all about
Speaker 2: the foundation. Who controls the foundations.
Speaker 1: Well, debt, you mentioned that that's one of the biggest
Speaker 1: ones right there. Debt. The world's I don't even know
Speaker 1: how many trillions in debt. The US is like forty
Speaker 1: trillion in debt. People are in debt. Most Americans are
Speaker 1: in debt with high interest. That is a big problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and and debt. When you think about it,
Speaker 2: it's a form of control. Yeah, that's all. Debt becomes
Speaker 2: a type of control. It becomes an unaccountable point. You
Speaker 2: can't speak up when you're in debt. You're scared to
Speaker 2: lose your mortgage. Then you're scared to speak up when
Speaker 2: you see children getting killed in Gaza. So when people
Speaker 2: are fear mongering about communism and they're demonizing it, the
Speaker 2: question I want to ask as a communist is you know, okay, well,
Speaker 2: how are you free if you have no control or
Speaker 2: no independence whatsoever, Because you're you're basically servicing, working on
Speaker 2: servicing mortgages and debt for your car, for your home.
Speaker 2: Your job is by no means guaranteed. And it's very,
Speaker 2: very difficult to actually be truly economically independent in the
Speaker 2: so called capitalist country. So while they're worrying about this
Speaker 2: boogeyman of communism taking away all their freedom, what about
Speaker 2: the society we live in now, where if you do
Speaker 2: speak up, you're shut out of the system, you have
Speaker 2: no access to anything.
Speaker 1: They try to get you fired if you speak about
Speaker 1: children being killed in Israel. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, there's so many, so many aspects in which they
Speaker 2: you have to give away the control over your own mind.
Speaker 1: Because people want to be able to feed their kids.
Speaker 1: They're scared to lose money, they won't pay their mortgage.
Speaker 1: So people go, I can't I can't like your tweets
Speaker 1: because I can't lose my job.
Speaker 2: You know, there's so many people that even express private
Speaker 2: sympathy to our party, but they say, I'm totally scared, yeah,
Speaker 2: to have anything to do with off.
Speaker 1: When people say that, it's like they think it's like
Speaker 1: a good thing, like you're being a coward, Like you
Speaker 1: should be able to support you if you want. You know,
Speaker 1: you make it really, I really need to get someone debate.
Speaker 1: You should make it too arguments. I don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of There is one thing I want to push
Speaker 1: backline a little more. Yeah, yeah, the element. Okay, you
Speaker 1: look at black Rock, Vanguard, the media companies, the bankers,
Speaker 1: lots of Jewish influence. Then you go back to Communism,
Speaker 1: lots of Jewish influence, and people will try to say
Speaker 1: they're both kind of guided by the same people. What
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: I say, I would I would disagree with that, you know,
Speaker 2: I would say that, for example, Karl Marx was obviously
Speaker 2: of Jewish ethnic descent, but the main founders of Communism
Speaker 2: or Marxism, Leninism, the rest of them were Gentiles. Right
Speaker 2: after Karl Marx, there were some Jews that you know,
Speaker 2: were pretty prominent in the movement early on, who were
Speaker 2: inspired by Marx, and you basically have a type of
Speaker 2: effect where you know, he's like a role model for
Speaker 2: some of these people, like, oh Marx was Jewish. That
Speaker 2: means I can, you know, get on it. But I
Speaker 2: think that the reason there was somewhat of a prominence
Speaker 2: of Jews in the communist movement or socialist movement early
Speaker 2: on was because at that time Jews had not yet
Speaker 2: acquired any institutional prominence at all within the higher levels
Speaker 2: of society.
Speaker 1: So you know, you had a lot of the banking
Speaker 1: back then still like in Europe and stuff.
Speaker 2: You had the Rothschilds and some promident sound small group, right,
Speaker 2: but it wasn't like today, we're like, you know, you
Speaker 2: go to doctors, you go to most of the institutions
Speaker 2: within our society, the managerial institutions, academia, universities, and geo
Speaker 2: you know, stuff like that. You tend to have a
Speaker 2: pretty outsized Jewish Yeah, because they basically, you know, immigrants
Speaker 2: today usually when they come, what's the first thing they
Speaker 2: want for their kids? Get an education, become a doctor,
Speaker 2: become a lawyer.
Speaker 1: They really heavily put their kids.
Speaker 2: The Jews were the first.
Speaker 1: Ones to do that.
Speaker 2: You know, they pioneered that model basically, right. But anyway,
Speaker 2: in the beginning, the career driven orientation was uh like there,
Speaker 2: but they had not yet gotten power in any kind
Speaker 2: of way. Right, So there were Jews who were sympathetic
Speaker 2: to the kind of revolutionary movement because they had nothing,
Speaker 2: They had no status in society, they had no prominence,
Speaker 2: and they kind of wanted to.
Speaker 1: So there wasn't a lot of InChI Jews back then.
Speaker 1: It was some small families that had small families, right, right,
Speaker 1: men's power.
Speaker 2: He also had a lot of Jews who were workers
Speaker 2: working in factories in Eastern Europe and so on and
Speaker 2: so on, and they were part of the labor move
Speaker 2: But anyway, what the reason why they're there was a
Speaker 2: shift from early prominence to barely any Jews really anymore.
Speaker 2: Right in the radical communist movement is because when it
Speaker 2: ended up happening is that once they had become more
Speaker 2: middle class and acquired like a status within society, academia,
Speaker 2: you know, media institutions and whatnot, they saw no use
Speaker 2: for revolutionary politics.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: Instead, well, yeah, they became more aligned with the system.
Speaker 2: They became more aligned with liberalism and democracy and so
Speaker 2: on and so on, and that was.
Speaker 1: That there was.
Speaker 2: So Lenin didn't say that they were all Jews, because
Speaker 2: they weren't all Jews. You know, this was the opportunistic current.
Speaker 2: But Lenin identified this tendency when you know, when World
Speaker 2: War One happened, all the socialist parties sold out. They
Speaker 2: stopped being revolutionary, they stopped being about, you know, let's
Speaker 2: challenge the capitalist class. They started saying, let's align ourselves
Speaker 2: with the system, go to parliament, be more like AOC
Speaker 2: and zoron mom Donald for example.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but absolutely not, because they're they're part of the system,
Speaker 2: you know. Right. So Lenin was saying, well, these people
Speaker 2: have sold out, you know, once they got a piece
Speaker 2: of a pie, once they were bribed out by the
Speaker 2: capitalist class, they abandoned all their principles and they totally
Speaker 2: betrayed you know, politician Marxism. Yeah, exactly right. So I'm
Speaker 2: not denying there was originally a prominence.
Speaker 1: It was definitely some early on. I think they were
Speaker 1: purge later on by Stalin's kind of how it seems
Speaker 1: to me. Again, I haven't done deep reasons.
Speaker 2: Well, because there was Zionist infiltration as well. That's another thing.
Speaker 1: Was there was that I think it was Churchill said
Speaker 1: the battle of the soul of the Jewish people of
Speaker 1: Zionism versus Communists.
Speaker 2: But Zionism was the movement that was funded by the
Speaker 2: world's major capitalists. It was heavily pushed. Yeah, and it
Speaker 2: was like it had such an advantage over Communists when
Speaker 2: it comes to recruiting.
Speaker 1: That's what the bankers were really trying to push. I
Speaker 1: had a guest the other day who was talking about
Speaker 1: Again I haven't resourced myself, but this guy's highly intelligent
Speaker 1: and everything I've always checked has always been on talking
Speaker 1: about Javad Lubovic before Theodore Herzel were putting the grounds.
Speaker 2: For this in for those Zionis like Palestine. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: mean it wouldn't surprise me. But anyway, that was an
Speaker 2: extremely aggressive international movement, Zionism, right, And so what happened
Speaker 2: in Russia is that when the Bolsheviks took charge, there
Speaker 2: were some Zionists that infiltrated the Bolshevik movement who were
Speaker 2: hanger ons, sorry, like at the tail end. They weren't
Speaker 2: the ogs in the beginning.
Speaker 1: So there's definitely some revolutions. See lots of those who
Speaker 1: came in trying to hang on.
Speaker 2: Interesting, absolutely, yeah, and they infiltrated government because they had skills,
Speaker 2: they had managerial experience, they had education, which was very important.
Speaker 2: Most people were illiterate at the time. They were peasants
Speaker 2: and they were working for foreign powers.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: One of these people I think was Leon Trotsky. You
Speaker 2: know Leon Trotsky. Interestingly, he was in America for a
Speaker 2: long time. Yeah, and then he went to Canada, right,
Speaker 2: He's one of the guys I was thinking of, Yeah, Canada.
Speaker 2: He was imprisoned by the British and Halifax in Canada.
Speaker 2: Now mysteriously, before the revolution, he was released from prison
Speaker 2: by the British. Okay, and when Lenin took power, he
Speaker 2: promised something to the besies, peace land and bread. Russia
Speaker 2: was in the middle of a war with Germany at
Speaker 2: that time. Lenin said, we need to end this war.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Now, the British were also at war with Germany. The
Speaker 2: British did not want the Russians to make peace with
Speaker 2: Germany and then the war pull out of the war, right,
Speaker 2: so they sent people like Trotsky and others to keep
Speaker 2: pushing aggressively for Russia's continued involvement in the.
Speaker 1: War because they wanted Russia and Germany fighting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they wanted them to fight. So Trotsky was one
Speaker 2: of these people strongly advocating for a continuation of the war.
Speaker 2: And it's probably because he was assigned.
Speaker 1: That Stalin didn't want the war that, no, he didn't.
Speaker 2: No, Stalin said, let's stop getting involved in their countries,
Speaker 2: focus on Russia, focus on the Soviet Union they called it,
Speaker 2: so in one country, right, So you know why that
Speaker 2: divide was, I don't want boor people. But it's like
Speaker 2: the Bolsheviks in the beginning, these were people. The main
Speaker 2: difference between them and Mensheviks and other kind of socialists.
Speaker 2: And the reason, you know, they were more nationally oriented
Speaker 2: the Bolsheviks was because the majority of them had spent
Speaker 2: time in exile in Siberia. So these guys were like
Speaker 2: rooted in the in the country. You know, rooted in
Speaker 2: the soil. They would they had such a close level
Speaker 2: of contact with like very assault of the earth peasants
Speaker 2: living in Siberia, living in villages and so on and
Speaker 2: so on. They had become acclimated to an environment where
Speaker 2: they were like in the deep roots of the nation.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Meanwhile, a lot of the Mensheviks and Trotsky and those types,
Speaker 2: they were globe trotting. They were in Europe, they were
Speaker 2: in cafes, they were in Vienna. Stalin, Felix Zerzhinski, even Lenin,
Speaker 2: they spent time in Siberia in camps. Okay, beginning beaten
Speaker 2: by guards. Stalin was a oh yes he was.
Speaker 1: I honestly don't know the history that well. He was.
Speaker 2: He was put in the camp. And then he also
Speaker 2: the original money that the Bolsheviks got that allowed them
Speaker 2: to be funded was because Stalin led a bank robbery
Speaker 2: in uh, Georgia, right, So he had like a group
Speaker 2: of Georgians. So they're like kind of like Chechens, you know,
Speaker 2: they're like mountain people.
Speaker 1: I don't have the best from the same areag hit
Speaker 1: me up, like, why do you hate us? We're not
Speaker 1: all like that. I'm like, okay, you know what I'll
Speaker 1: stop saying bad about chest game. Maybe just because I
Speaker 1: one experience with you guys.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Stalin was roaming the mountains of Georgia right
Speaker 2: at a young age, and him and his group, you know,
Speaker 2: his Georgians, they were like robbing banks and they were
Speaker 2: really getting money in very tough, really tough people, just
Speaker 2: like you think of Stalin's perspective, He's like, Okay, I've
Speaker 2: been here. I haven't been in Vienna, i haven't been
Speaker 2: to Europe. I mean like, I'm here, I'm rooted here, right,
Speaker 2: this is the people I know. This is the land
Speaker 2: that I know.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And then meanwhile you have people like Trotsky and others
Speaker 2: who they distasted the regular ordinary people that lived. It
Speaker 2: was a split there, absolutely a little bit. And again,
Speaker 2: I want to bring someone to debate you. I'm not
Speaker 2: here to push back because I know he's one of
Speaker 2: the most hated men ever, but I just haven't done
Speaker 2: the history.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna let you talk. But people hit me
Speaker 1: up DM me if I want someone to come and
Speaker 1: debate you on this stuff. But I'm gonna let you
Speaker 1: give your perspective on Hostalin because I was always taught
Speaker 1: basically him and Hitler are the most evil men ever
Speaker 1: I've research on, and well, yeah, I'm more complicated than that.
Speaker 1: So it's funny.
Speaker 2: It's funny because for a long time during World War
Speaker 2: Two in America, we called Stalin Uncle Joe. Right, he
Speaker 2: wasn't demonized uncle. Yeah, we had Uncle Joe though. So
Speaker 2: Stalin was a you know, decent They were pretty honest
Speaker 2: about him. And then when that came to an end,
Speaker 2: a few things happened that were responsible for shifting uh
Speaker 2: saying that Stalin is just like Hitler or something like that. Right,
Speaker 2: First of all, the Soviet Union would not sign on
Speaker 2: board with Breton Woods. If you know what Bretton Woods is,
Speaker 2: it was the Yeah, it was the original like dollar
Speaker 2: hegemony system that was proposed, where you know, we would
Speaker 2: have this kind of global financial control system with the
Speaker 2: US dollar at the center that would determine how nations
Speaker 2: become about the IMF. That's when it was created, right,
Speaker 2: Soviet Union said no, we're not going to join this
Speaker 2: in the post war period, well I agree with him
Speaker 2: on that. Yeah, they were offered it and then they
Speaker 2: said no. Right, So then Stalin kind of became an enemy.
Speaker 2: He became a rogue state when we were allies before
Speaker 2: during World War Two, they were like, Okay, this guy's
Speaker 2: we have to start demonizing him and attacking him and stuff. Stalin. Also,
Speaker 2: Stalin didn't believe the world should be governed, you know,
Speaker 2: based on this kind of Rockefeller vision of a world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, shouldn't be telling us what to do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he believed. He did believe, more or less, with
Speaker 2: varying degrees of consistency, that nations should be sovereign, they
Speaker 2: should have a guiding principle of self determination, and that
Speaker 2: nations are different and that's that doesn't mean nations shouldn't
Speaker 2: coexist and be friendly with each other, but that you know,
Speaker 2: this idea that we need to standardize everybody under this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think this is actually really important. I
Speaker 1: think different types of systems can work in different governments
Speaker 1: in different times. We're not all the same, right, so
Speaker 1: this might work here, this might work there exactly. That's
Speaker 1: why you be open minded to look at things. You
Speaker 1: can't just copy an exact system and put it in
Speaker 1: different countries, different time periods.
Speaker 2: So yeah, So there's a number of factors that led
Speaker 2: us to start saying, Okay, you know what Stalin is
Speaker 2: this horrible dictator. He killed you know, tens of millions
Speaker 2: of people, hundreds of millions of people, even depending on
Speaker 2: who's saying this stuff, and that Stalin is this rare, evil,
Speaker 2: wicked man who just had all this hatred in his heart,
Speaker 2: and you know, we now associate him with like one
Speaker 2: of the most biggest mass murderer in history, right, And
Speaker 2: you know it's just I mean, it's like today, what
Speaker 2: they're trying to tell us about the Ayah Toola is
Speaker 2: what they.
Speaker 1: So I've watched him do this. It's okay, it's the
Speaker 1: same true, but I'm saying we've seen them do this,
Speaker 1: so I.
Speaker 2: It's the same structure. Another thing is that Stalin in
Speaker 2: his later years started realizing the level of Zionist infiltration
Speaker 2: really in the Soul Union in the Eastern Bloc, and
Speaker 2: he was embarking on a purge of all the Zionis,
Speaker 2: you know, yes, he did. Yeah, in Czechoslovakia. He found
Speaker 2: out that they were trying to help and support Israel
Speaker 2: Zionis who infiltrated and he found out about it, and
Speaker 2: they had a trial and they shot the people that
Speaker 2: were guilty and responsible.
Speaker 1: Yes, so people think that's who killed him.
Speaker 2: I've heard that theory before, and it's it's very mysterious.
Speaker 2: The circumstances of his death.
Speaker 1: Says he's a Jew. I like, I say, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I don't really think so. I don't
Speaker 1: see anything showing that. I think.
Speaker 2: Look, Stalin, uh is someone who people demonize him because
Speaker 2: they see the excesses of the Bolshevik revolution, right, But
Speaker 2: what people don't understand is that Stalin was a moral
Speaker 2: and moderating influence when it comes to some of the
Speaker 2: more fanatical and extreme tendencies that come with any revolution.
Speaker 1: By the way, right, Yeah, revolutions are very serious. Yes,
Speaker 1: the revolution people better be ready to fill the power vacuum,
Speaker 1: have a plan.
Speaker 2: But Stalin always was someone at the top who was
Speaker 2: struggling in dealing with this bureaucracy. He did not have
Speaker 2: full control over on behalf of all the people at
Speaker 2: the bottom. And that's why the cult of personality of
Speaker 2: Stalin on you know that term cult of personality where
Speaker 2: he's like being glorified his faces everywhere, right now, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but that actually was organic in Russia in the sense
Speaker 2: that ordinary people peasants loved him. They loved him because
Speaker 2: anytime there was a corrupt bastard that they had to
Speaker 2: deal with. They can say, no, I'm going to invoke
Speaker 2: Stalin's authority, you know, I'm going to invoke See people say, well,
Speaker 2: communism is corruption is possible, because when you have such
Speaker 2: a centralizing authority, then couldn't it corrupt? And it's like, well,
Speaker 2: don't we believe in the authority of the good. Don't
Speaker 2: we believe in the authority of righteousness over wrongdoing and
Speaker 2: good versus evil, and the ability to channel that authority
Speaker 2: and invoke that authority just like to an extent, you
Speaker 2: invoke the authority of morality and the good when you're
Speaker 2: challenging the zonus.
Speaker 1: They're saying, I can see it's evil, so I feel
Speaker 1: an obligation to call it out.
Speaker 2: Absolutely right, And if we do believe in the good
Speaker 2: versus evil, if we do have a sense of justice,
Speaker 2: then shouldn't we want a muscle behind that. Shouldn't we
Speaker 2: want the ability to actually like enforce the justice and
Speaker 2: say and it's like that can always be corrupted. I
Speaker 2: believe in free will. I believe no system can be
Speaker 2: fully that.
Speaker 1: This is a problem. But I think it is true
Speaker 1: that if you have a government with power like this,
Speaker 1: those can be the best governments if they're not evil.
Speaker 1: If there needs to be some kind of checking this.
Speaker 1: But I've been to a lot of countries that have
Speaker 1: like dictators and stuff, and sometimes it run really good.
Speaker 2: Who determines good or evil?
Speaker 1: That's on us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, God made us with free will. It's
Speaker 2: crazy the communists is saying that.
Speaker 1: I know, but I believe it.
Speaker 2: I don't believe there's any system that's gonna that's going
Speaker 2: to eliminate free will. There's no system that's going to go.
Speaker 1: To any system.
Speaker 2: Potentially, yeah, potentially, But as long as there's people around
Speaker 2: who have the courage to stand up for what's good
Speaker 2: and what's just, you know you're gonna have a check
Speaker 2: on that. For example, in China, China was deeply corrupt
Speaker 2: before Jesping, to be clear, Oh yeah, very deeply corrupt.
Speaker 1: They had unleashed they.
Speaker 2: Jesion Ping. Yeah, because of what he did. So before
Speaker 2: Jesen Ping, because of the reforms that allowed market reforms
Speaker 2: and more consumerism and and alignment with the world market.
Speaker 2: The reform and opening up UH, a lot of the
Speaker 2: Communist party leadership started getting bribed, They started becoming corrupt,
Speaker 2: they started embezzling. They were driving around with lambeaus and whatever,
Speaker 2: and that was an example of free will being exercise
Speaker 2: in a way that was negative. But Jijinping, who lived
Speaker 2: for decades among common rule people, farmers and ordinary people
Speaker 2: in villages, was a very principled, incorruptible man. He had
Speaker 2: very strong moral center, right, and Jijinping climbed through the
Speaker 2: ranks based on his good governance and leadership. Because for all,
Speaker 2: for how corrupt China was institutionally, the possibility of somebody
Speaker 2: who is good rising to the top was possible, right,
Speaker 2: And Jiji Ping got his way to the top, and
Speaker 2: then he bet He embarked on an anti corruption campaign
Speaker 2: and purged China of the corruption. So the battle against
Speaker 2: corruption and evil and wrongdoing, maybe it'll never come to
Speaker 2: an end as long as you know human beings exist.
Speaker 1: You don't have the belief of, oh, humans are going
Speaker 1: to be good. You're you're realistic with it, not this
Speaker 1: utopian absolutely good.
Speaker 2: But just because you know we have free will, that
Speaker 2: doesn't mean that's an excuse for us to in institutionalize
Speaker 2: evil and legalize corruption.
Speaker 1: Which is what we do now America. Is just so
Speaker 1: it's just the whole thing. We call it.
Speaker 2: We call it lobbying. Yes, and we allow politicians to
Speaker 2: get bribed by special.
Speaker 1: Interest it's almost impossible.
Speaker 2: We make it legal, and we institutionalize the ability of
Speaker 2: people to pray on the on the weak, on the defenseless,
Speaker 2: mothers trying to raise their kids. Uh, you know, orphans,
Speaker 2: people that have no guidance. I mean, we basically legalize
Speaker 2: the ability for predators to prey on them. And we
Speaker 2: say this is aligned with the law, this is right,
Speaker 2: and this is okay. And it's like, well, look, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna I'm not saying a communist system is going
Speaker 2: to eliminate evil.
Speaker 1: There's still going to be problem.
Speaker 2: For sure, for sure. But all I'm saying is, can't
Speaker 2: we at least have the courage to say this is wrong?
Speaker 2: Can't we at least have the courage to agree that
Speaker 2: we shouldn't institutionalize our corruption. You should actively try to
Speaker 2: fight against it.
Speaker 1: And we should ban these corporations donating crazy money, banned lobbying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just common sense things, right, right. I think it's this
Speaker 1: could be controversial, but I think it's possible for a
Speaker 1: capitalist or a communist society to work in certain situations
Speaker 1: if it's ran correctly.
Speaker 2: The reason I would disagree with that is because I
Speaker 2: think that when under capitalism, I think the guiding principle
Speaker 2: is ultimately profit. Right, Yeah, And when the guiding principle
Speaker 2: is profit, it is rational. If you end up being
Speaker 2: the most successful on the market and making profit, that
Speaker 2: a you want to start rigging the market, which is
Speaker 2: what the Morgans, Rockefellers, Carnegie did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're doing it at the biggest level. But Trump
Speaker 1: constantly rigging it. They're betting against it.
Speaker 2: And if I'm a politician, it's like, Okay, if money
Speaker 2: is the commanding principle of society, why shouldn't I take
Speaker 2: a bribe? And even if you make the bribe ill legal.
Speaker 2: As long as the power is in control of private
Speaker 2: forces that just care about making money, they can change
Speaker 2: the laws which.
Speaker 1: They have to go to jail. And a lot of
Speaker 1: these worst criminals, like there was one the largest healthcare
Speaker 1: scam in history. He was one of the chosen people.
Speaker 1: Billions and billions of dollars. He would always tell everyone others,
Speaker 1: don't worry, I have connections, I'll never get in trouble. Finally,
Speaker 1: he got convicted as soon as he went to jail,
Speaker 1: Trump pardoned him. Yeah, but Biden what, I'm sure parted
Speaker 1: him too. I'm for sure. I don't Suretter because he
Speaker 1: always said, oh no, I could never go to jail, No,
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: And you know the problem is we don't even have
Speaker 2: the ability to challenge any of this because it's all apparently,
Speaker 2: it's all legal, and it's all over the books, and
Speaker 2: it's that's just the capital. And if you disagree, you're
Speaker 2: a communist.
Speaker 1: You know, fair, fair, fair point.
Speaker 2: I think, honestly, Jake, I think that if you were
Speaker 2: to express some of these views beyond even if you
Speaker 2: had never talked to me, the views that I think
Speaker 2: that you hold common sense based on having a conversation
Speaker 2: with you, I think they call you a communist.
Speaker 1: I could call it communist occasionally. Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of your views. If to regular person you're
Speaker 1: talking you called it something else, they wouldn't even think
Speaker 1: it's communist though, they'd just be like, yeah, this makes
Speaker 1: a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: Right, But isn't that kind of scary because it shows
Speaker 2: how brainwashed we become.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that word just freak people out. Yeah, you tell
Speaker 1: people I'm going to pick a communey up the airport.
Speaker 2: They're like, whoa, yeah, yeah, No, I mean yeah because
Speaker 2: they think you know communist or are now yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: But in a way I will say something we. When
Speaker 2: I say we, I mean like us communists, we do
Speaker 2: kind of take pride in the scariness of the word
Speaker 2: now because we're like, you know what, fuck this system.
Speaker 2: This system is like fucked up, and it's ruled by
Speaker 2: demonic pedophiles, And if this is the word that scares
Speaker 2: the shit out of them, then we we embrace it
Speaker 2: boldly and proudly.
Speaker 1: It's hard to disagree when you have satanic pedophiles like
Speaker 1: running your country, bombing kids and schools, saying this is
Speaker 1: the most moral army. It's sick and disgusting. And we
Speaker 1: need to reach across and talk to people on the
Speaker 1: opposite side. And we agree with everything, but let's start
Speaker 1: working to make in a better country. Can one thing
Speaker 1: we absolutely getting out campaign lobbyists.
Speaker 2: I say this, if if it was possible that we
Speaker 2: could get rid of this regime and get rid of
Speaker 2: this corruption without communism there, we would be fine with that.
Speaker 2: You know, we ultimately are human beings who want what's
Speaker 2: best for our country. But we happen to be of
Speaker 2: the opinion, based on the theory that we study and
Speaker 2: our understanding of how the world works, that when push
Speaker 2: comes to shove, communism is going to be necessary.
Speaker 1: We believe that.
Speaker 2: But if we're wrong about that, it's not going to
Speaker 2: be like, it's not going to change the fact that,
Speaker 2: ultimately we recognize the people who rule us are evil.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we agree in that, and maybe pieces of the
Speaker 1: system could be added, maybe somewhere in the middle of
Speaker 1: the truth.
Speaker 2: We don't even claim to have all the answers truth.
Speaker 2: We simply want to be a voice that exists that
Speaker 2: the American people have the right to choose, which is okay,
Speaker 2: let's start thinking about the Let's start.
Speaker 1: How we could fix it, like we need across and
Speaker 1: have these and I hear, oh, I like this idea.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, why should they own our oil? You know?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's you know, let's let's create a choice. Let's
Speaker 2: say for the American people that if, if, and when
Speaker 2: we think it's a when and maybe for others it's
Speaker 2: an if, But if or when people decide and realize
Speaker 2: that the system is unsalvagable and there does need to
Speaker 2: be a radical solution, we want to be around for
Speaker 2: people to have the option.
Speaker 1: Hopefully we can do it without violence with like cons
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely mean I just like, look with the Constitution,
Speaker 1: that was amazing. Imagine if we could sit today and
Speaker 1: get great minds together to come up and work with solutions.
Speaker 2: We would I mean, I speak on my behalf of
Speaker 2: my party, we would be thrilled at the opportunity for
Speaker 2: that kind of thing. You know, our politicians aren't going
Speaker 2: to do it right right, you know, But to to
Speaker 2: to explain why I think we do choose the term
Speaker 2: and we identify with it, it's just like we think
Speaker 2: that that conflict is going to get so extreme and
Speaker 2: intense because the people who rule us really really are
Speaker 2: not just evil, they're very attached and embedded.
Speaker 1: To the power.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not going to go Oh, I mean look
Speaker 2: put it this way. Behind it is nuclear weapons. These
Speaker 2: people have a red button to nuke the entire world
Speaker 2: before they're like ready to relinquish power. That's what the
Speaker 2: Cold War was about. Yeah, and it's like it is
Speaker 2: going to get to a point where it's like the
Speaker 2: only thing that's going to be able to challenge them,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is an extremely comprehensively revolutionary principle where
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, you know what, We're not even going
Speaker 2: to compromise with you. And by you I mean the
Speaker 2: people in power. We understand the game, we understand how
Speaker 2: it works, and it's like it's an irreconcilable battle, you know,
Speaker 2: the working class versus the parasite class.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And a weird thing too, they have this weird
Speaker 1: attachment to Israel. The whole world's looking at it being like,
Speaker 1: this is evil. Israel won't let it go.
Speaker 2: Is Israel is the red line, you know, Israel's the
Speaker 2: red line because Israel is this frontier for basically all
Speaker 2: the things that I mentioned that were around during caral
Speaker 2: Marx's time. Right, the basic inhumane way that people are
Speaker 2: being ripped apart from the land that they live on,
Speaker 2: right to be reforged and remodeled or discarded even right,
Speaker 2: Israel's the embodiment of the ultimately the embodiment of that
Speaker 2: capitalistic principle. Israel was founded upon the genocide and dispossession
Speaker 2: of Palestinian people from their land. Israel continues, by the way,
Speaker 2: to try to get land grabs in South Lebanon, where my.
Speaker 1: Parents wiped out Apple Maps has going along with it.
Speaker 1: They wiped out the village.
Speaker 2: My parents grew up there and or they came here
Speaker 2: when they were about like seven ten years old. But
Speaker 2: you know, uh, they about one point two million people
Speaker 2: have fled the South because of what they're doing, people
Speaker 2: that were living there for centuries. Right, So why is
Speaker 2: Israel this existential battle? Because here at home we're facing
Speaker 2: an Israelification. Okay, they're evicting people out of their homes,
Speaker 2: they're destroying people's ways of life. They're trying to completely
Speaker 2: take away our basic means of dignity even here. And
Speaker 2: this is a tendency around the entire world. Israel is
Speaker 2: that tendency as a state power.
Speaker 1: You know, why do you think they're Republican Party they're
Speaker 1: going to burn down with Israel because everyone can see
Speaker 1: its evil, but they are just so embedded, We're like, no,
Speaker 1: this is our great ally to the point where it's
Speaker 1: just like what the fuck is going on? Everyone's seeing
Speaker 1: it now, but they're not going to detach, like what
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 2: Well, look, the Republican Party is the most prosut and
Speaker 2: it just Democrats Republicans, they're both prostitutes of the Zionists,
Speaker 2: the capitalists, and the global elite. You know, they have
Speaker 2: no independent thought, They have no independent agenda, They have
Speaker 2: no independent thinking. They are paid shills and slaves to
Speaker 2: serve the agenda of people that we will never be
Speaker 2: able to vote for on any ballot box. And those
Speaker 2: people have an agenda.
Speaker 1: Candidates. I've never voted in my life, you're smart. Yeah, embarrassingly,
Speaker 1: I voted for Trump, well, only once, not three times,
Speaker 1: which which election was the first one?
Speaker 2: War I understand, I understand. That's the one where it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: it's pretty clear why people were voting for.
Speaker 1: We're pushing all the trans gay stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1: And uh, off topic, people say, well, you're Lebanese, like
Speaker 1: all these boomers, they look like you're some dirty, filthy
Speaker 1: sand people. You like, don't look that different, not that
Speaker 1: it should make it different. You're clearly intelligent. I've been
Speaker 1: around lots of Lebanese Iranians. But they pushed this like, oh,
Speaker 1: these are the filthy, uncultured people. It's completely false.
Speaker 2: Well, I never take it personally because I know what
Speaker 2: the game is. It's a cynical attempt to exploit the
Speaker 2: You know, we all have a fear of the unknown.
Speaker 2: That's human nature. By the way, everyone around the world
Speaker 2: is the same. So a regular American doesn't know anything
Speaker 2: about the Middle East and they see like, you know,
Speaker 2: these these towel heads, these foreign, strange Muslim people. They're different,
Speaker 2: they have this different things going on, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's just kind of an unfamiliarity. There's I think in
Speaker 2: my experience when Americans do meet people who come from
Speaker 2: the Middle East, I don't think the majority of the
Speaker 2: interactions are negative. Somebody who's grown up around dearborn, I
Speaker 2: think that, you know, Americans that have been here for
Speaker 2: generations tend to like certain aspects of the food, the culture,
Speaker 2: of the music. But in any case, I think that
Speaker 2: what's happening is that Zionus are exploiting that fear of
Speaker 2: the unknown in order to kind of like push this
Speaker 2: this like artificial xenophobia where they're trying to tell people
Speaker 2: the threat aren't these Israelis and Zius, Yeah, it's it's
Speaker 2: these Muslims who are so for example, they use this
Speaker 2: against me, and I always laugh. By the way, people
Speaker 2: may not believe this. Every single time this card gets
Speaker 2: to used against me, I really like crack up. And
Speaker 2: laugh really hard because what they'll I almost intentionally play.
Speaker 1: With it to be completely with good self. I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't adopt like a white sounding name. I could easily,
Speaker 2: you know, But the reason I do is because it's
Speaker 2: almost kind of like a I like the reactions sometimes
Speaker 2: when people try to play the card where it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're this like Muslim communist and they're like doing the
Speaker 2: George W. Bush fears, like I'm a space alien, Like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're this brown Muslim communist and you're anti white and
Speaker 2: you hate white and I'm just I just kind of like,
Speaker 2: it's just kind of funny. It's amusing to me because
Speaker 2: it's like, I love how you're so transparently exposing what
Speaker 2: a zionis.
Speaker 1: Chill you are. Yeah, and you know it's acceptable to
Speaker 1: be completely racist against Muslim like goat Foker's cowheads.
Speaker 2: They're just like so like and who loses their jobs
Speaker 2: over that compelling to no one?
Speaker 1: You can do it openly. You're also can attack white
Speaker 1: people openly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can attack everyone except people and your.
Speaker 1: People, right, those are kind of the one ones you
Speaker 1: really can attack. No Asians, I guess you can't.
Speaker 2: Do no, Yeah, you. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean I think we're the most attacks though white
Speaker 1: and then Muslims. They can just literally say anything about you.
Speaker 1: You guys are the most like just dehumanizing talk all
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: Oh like what Randy find said on X and stuff. Okay, Look,
Speaker 2: I never take it personally, I never try.
Speaker 1: It still is there. It is a reality of what
Speaker 1: they're pushing.
Speaker 2: It's pretty brutal, honestly, something like even about ilhan Omer,
Speaker 2: I don't really agree with her as a idiot, but
Speaker 2: still the stuff they say about her is pretty pretty outrageous.
Speaker 1: Criticized Jews, but they go far beyond what I do.
Speaker 2: You know, That's what That's always something I always said.
Speaker 2: It's like, look, people are saying there's an anti Semitism crisis.
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, what if people talked about Jews the
Speaker 2: same way they talk.
Speaker 1: About Muslims star bomb the kids? Yeah, yeah right, it's
Speaker 1: Andy was like, thanks for a picture of a dead child.
Speaker 1: You are sick?
Speaker 2: No, Yeah, I mean yeah, what I think is that. Look, Honestly,
Speaker 2: the reason it's amusing to me those I was born
Speaker 2: and razier. First time I went to Lebanon was with
Speaker 2: my friend Jackson Jackson Hinkle to the funeral of Nasrolla, right,
Speaker 2: which I had the great honor and opportunity to attend.
Speaker 2: But before then I had never even been to the
Speaker 2: Middle East. Yeah, I mean I was born in here,
Speaker 2: I did. I do have immigrant parents.
Speaker 1: You're not going to put Lebanon before America like so
Speaker 1: many other people of another country. No. Uh.
Speaker 2: And by the way, I have immense love for the
Speaker 2: people of Lebanon. You know, I visited that country. I
Speaker 2: had a great time, and you know, I I do
Speaker 2: very It does kind of affect me seeing what's going
Speaker 2: on in the south, especially because it's where my parents
Speaker 2: come from and stuff. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it's like I don't even speak Arabic.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know, so you're American first of Lebanese descent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we all have to We're not just individuals. We're
Speaker 2: part of nations. But your nation first, the nation I'm
Speaker 2: a part of you. You should get the out of
Speaker 2: our country, right if Yeah, I mean, if if my
Speaker 2: priority was focusing on Lebanon, you I'd move to Lebanon, right.
Speaker 2: But uh, that doesn't mean you know I think that
Speaker 2: you know, I hate Lebanon or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's just I think you chefs actually respect from it,
Speaker 1: because it's like, you know, if.
Speaker 2: You're Italian, if you're Italian here and you have a
Speaker 2: type of sentimental attachment to Italy, it makes total At
Speaker 2: the end of the day, I'm American, and you know
Speaker 2: this is the ship that I'm going to go down
Speaker 2: with when all of a.
Speaker 1: Sudden, where Jewish Americans joined the IDF than the American Army.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes total sense. And by the way, the
Speaker 2: whole thing about being a foreign agent. But I get
Speaker 2: so many people that tell me I'm They tell me
Speaker 2: I'm a foreign agent, right because I have because I've
Speaker 2: been to Russia a few times and I talked to
Speaker 2: communists in Russia and stuff, or in China. They said, well,
Speaker 2: you're a foreign agent. It's like, okay, I'll I'll start
Speaker 2: entertaining that when you apply the same standard to the
Speaker 2: Jewish Americans who go to Israel and join the IDF
Speaker 2: and join the massade and basically don't have to register.
Speaker 1: Free trips too. I was even taken on the free
Speaker 1: trip just being a fighter. I think they try to
Speaker 1: bring anyone with any fame whatsoever and to show them
Speaker 1: a good time, give them a bunch of girls a show.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, look how great this is? But I
Speaker 1: can spot bullshit. Have you seen the movie three hundred
Speaker 1: a long time ago?
Speaker 2: Do you remember that fucked up like that that character
Speaker 2: who is like bribed, like wanted to join but he
Speaker 2: was rejected because he was all like fucked up looking
Speaker 2: and then like the Persians, which is just kind of
Speaker 2: like propaganda. But the bad guys in the movie came
Speaker 2: and took him and they like they gave him all
Speaker 2: this women and that's yeah, that's what it reminds me of.
Speaker 1: The boys.
Speaker 2: Oh no, man, that's Lindsey Ram for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I want to talk about some of the communist leaders.
Speaker 1: We got a little bit into Stalin. Want to go
Speaker 1: a little more to him and to talk about mouth
Speaker 1: real quick. First off, how did he take power? And
Speaker 1: they would like to also know what are some of
Speaker 1: the thing good you think he did?
Speaker 2: So the story how Stalin takes power, it's actually very
Speaker 2: very extraordinary, right because people point to Hitler a lot.
Speaker 2: Hitler is somebody who gave a lot of speeches. He
Speaker 2: focused a lot on his image and his personality as
Speaker 2: a celebrity. Stalin was actually a pretty obscure figure in
Speaker 2: the Bolshevik Party and to the public. You know, he
Speaker 2: was mainly the guy who is keeping account of the record, right.
Speaker 2: He was like a record keeper more or less right.
Speaker 2: And he was behind the scenes. He wasn't too public
Speaker 2: and out there. He didn't leverage too much on his personality.
Speaker 2: But what he did is insist and maintain this steady
Speaker 2: and straight course that he believed was set by Lenin.
Speaker 2: In the Bolshevik Party, there's a degree of stability and
Speaker 2: consistency there of what is our direction, what is our path?
Speaker 2: What lines should we pursue. There's like a famous painting
Speaker 2: of Stalin. He's like the captain of a ship and
Speaker 2: it's like there's rough storms and it's uh, it's it's uh,
Speaker 2: it's treacherous waters, and he's maintaining the helm, you know,
Speaker 2: to make sure it's a steady, straight line towards the goal.
Speaker 2: And when Lenin died, all these opportunists and people who
Speaker 2: UH were infiltrating the Bolshevik Party to completely implement an
Speaker 2: agenda that was contrary to the original spirit. Absolutely and
Speaker 2: and UH and and UH basically create the conditions for
Speaker 2: the capitalist world to come back to Russia carve it
Speaker 2: up and steal all its resources. By the way, when
Speaker 2: the Bolshok Revolution happened about I think it was seventeen
Speaker 2: to nineteen World powers invaded Russia during the Russian Civil War.
Speaker 2: They had to fend off through guerrilla warfare and all
Speaker 2: this other kind of stuff. We invaded Russia at that time.
Speaker 1: This was like before World War one or two after
Speaker 1: World War one. Two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we don't know this. We invaded Russia at
Speaker 2: the time. We sent troops. France did, Germany did, Japan did,
Speaker 2: even Germany did. Sorry I mentioned Germany, England did, the
Speaker 2: Czech Czechoslovakia and stuff. Anyway, it was chaos, right, But
Speaker 2: after they won the civil war, the question was, okay, well,
Speaker 2: how do we move forward? So you had people like
Speaker 2: Trotsky that were advocating crazy things, you had other people
Speaker 2: advocating crazy things. You had some people advocating to sell
Speaker 2: out fully, and Stalin said, no, we're going to continue
Speaker 2: the straight and steady path. We're going to build up
Speaker 2: our nation, We're going to build up our country. And
Speaker 2: you know, the argument of Trotsky and co. Was basically,
Speaker 2: how are you going to build up Russia when this
Speaker 2: is a backwater nation when the peasants are all stupid cattle.
Speaker 2: They don't they're bad people. They're you know, they're they're
Speaker 2: they're backward rather than advanced and enlightened. And we have
Speaker 2: no wealth, we have nothing. You know, we need to
Speaker 2: focus on this. Russia was really poor before, very poor,
Speaker 2: and Stalin said, no, we're going to count on what
Speaker 2: we have. We're gonna hunker down and we're gonna build
Speaker 2: our nation up and and that's how we're going to
Speaker 2: prevent getting invaded again. And we're not going to focus
Speaker 2: on trying to export our revolution to other countries, because
Speaker 2: we can't lead another country's revolution. You can only lead
Speaker 2: your own, right. Stalin's a guy. Keep in mind remember
Speaker 2: that context I gave. He's in Siberia for years. He's
Speaker 2: with the village folk, the rule for He's like deeply
Speaker 2: embedded in his country, his nation. He has a profound
Speaker 2: love in his heart for these ordinary people. He's thinking
Speaker 2: about him every day right people out on these remote
Speaker 2: villages who are dirt poor and have nothing. His focus
Speaker 2: is that I want these people to have access to education,
Speaker 2: to electricity, to healthcare, and I want them to be
Speaker 2: elevated up with the dignity, so they can walk straight,
Speaker 2: you know, as modern dignified human beings. Anyway, so the
Speaker 2: Bolshevik Party starts to expand, right, starts to go out
Speaker 2: and recruit in these villages and the countryside, and the
Speaker 2: party started getting flooded with like new people that came
Speaker 2: from like ordinary Russian backgrounds. So people talk about the
Speaker 2: prominence of the Jewish membership and the leadership of the government,
Speaker 2: the Soviet government, well, they didn't have people in the
Speaker 2: bureaucracy to recruit from in the beginning. They had to
Speaker 2: pull from people that were already educated and whatever. Stalin
Speaker 2: represented this tendency where they were starting to recruit from
Speaker 2: people that didn't have background in education, didn't have background
Speaker 2: and whatever, but were capable leaders of their villages and
Speaker 2: their soviets. That's what they were called, the councils. So basically,
Speaker 2: people like Trotsky and other gatekeepers who represented you know,
Speaker 2: an older institutional way being brought up. They were very
Speaker 2: threatened by this. They were like, okay, so you're bringing
Speaker 2: up all these Russian peasants and these backward people to
Speaker 2: commanding heights of powers. They didn't they didn't they didn't
Speaker 2: see him as equals.
Speaker 1: We would preach that, but they didn't actually want.
Speaker 2: That, no, because they were infiltrators. They they thought that
Speaker 2: if they lost control, they would.
Speaker 1: No longer be one of the main ones. That just
Speaker 1: felt off to me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Trotsky he was.
Speaker 1: He was livid.
Speaker 2: Trotsky was so angry and he would rage and scream
Speaker 2: and throw a tantrum. And then Stalin said, look, we
Speaker 2: are going to build socialism in this nation. We're going
Speaker 2: to take what little we have and turn it into something.
Speaker 2: And if you're not on board with this, you need
Speaker 2: to fuck off and leave right And instead of fucking
Speaker 2: off and leaving Trotsky and his co conspirators, what they
Speaker 2: started doing was sabotage. You know, they'd be building railways,
Speaker 2: they'd be they'd be trying to build and they'd go
Speaker 2: and and put bombs and explosives and blow it up.
Speaker 1: I've never heard any of this.
Speaker 2: Factory managers who were who were you know, uh in
Speaker 2: charge of like overseeing the production of steel and stuff,
Speaker 2: some of them were Trotsky eyed agents, and they would
Speaker 2: sabotage product production. So instead of yes, it would fail
Speaker 2: the party absolutely. And then when collectivization started in the countryside,
Speaker 2: whose only purpose, by the way, was to create a
Speaker 2: base for industrialization. You had a collaboration between Kulos and
Speaker 2: the Trotskyites and other saboteurs to basically start killing livestock
Speaker 2: and sabotaging agricultural production, and that's what led to the
Speaker 2: famine in thirty two thirty three.
Speaker 1: It's like well known about often or not very exactly.
Speaker 2: I recommend the author Grover for talks about this. Either
Speaker 2: I've not heard anything. No, no, no, no, this is
Speaker 2: like very niche. Yeah, this is college definitely. This is
Speaker 2: so interesting. Yeah, so Stalin was that's why in finally
Speaker 2: in the late thirties, you had the Great Purges. Okay,
Speaker 2: if you heard of the term the Great Purges. Overwhelmingly
Speaker 2: the victims of the Great Purges were people in the
Speaker 2: party who were infiltraders. So they were purged, they were shot,
Speaker 2: taken out and killed whatever. It was chaos. But then
Speaker 2: when all is said and done, when they finally could
Speaker 2: consolidate real power and remove the saboteurs, remove the infiltraders,
Speaker 2: you have a long arc, a big story where Stalin,
Speaker 2: in the words of Churchill, right, he begins with a
Speaker 2: country that's using wooden plows and he left it as
Speaker 2: a country with nuclear weapons Russia, you know Russia program
Speaker 2: and look you got it. Look the German athletes, the
Speaker 2: German army was like extremely advanced.
Speaker 1: They were very powerful, steamrolling people in Europe.
Speaker 2: With the Blitzkrek and the fact the Soviets the word
Speaker 2: absolutely even the ally Churchill admitted that he said, okay,
Speaker 2: well it was really the Soviets who.
Speaker 1: Did dominating the war until then.
Speaker 2: The Soviets lost twenty seven million people in that war.
Speaker 2: Twenty seven million, right, But the fact they could go
Speaker 2: toe to toe with like one of the most advanced
Speaker 2: industrial powers in the world. Even Hitler and his private
Speaker 2: his private correspondences or his private consultations where he's like
Speaker 2: thirty thousand tanks, He's like, who that? Where was the
Speaker 2: intelligence to tell us these guys are making because he
Speaker 2: was being made thirty Yeah, Hitler was being fed this intelligence.
Speaker 2: I don't know his exact number, but he was like
Speaker 2: a crazy but a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was being given intelligence that the Soviet Union
Speaker 2: is weak, decrepit.
Speaker 1: War potentially maybe one time, I don't know.
Speaker 2: But potentially, I mean I can only speculate, uh I
Speaker 2: you know, I myself think that Hitler from the beginning
Speaker 2: was somebody.
Speaker 1: Who he's a bad actor. I know some people.
Speaker 2: I think he was connected to Royal Dutch shell and
Speaker 2: the British and.
Speaker 1: He rested the rothschild and stuff. Obviously anything could be manipulated.
Speaker 2: But he uh he, he temporarily detained them. But he
Speaker 2: was still servicing the debt to international financial power. Never never,
Speaker 2: he actually changed the system of debt servicing into an
Speaker 2: internal mechanism of rearmament through the MIPHO mark system. And
Speaker 2: basically he was basically telling the international bankers of the world,
Speaker 2: you know, we're going to be building this military industrial
Speaker 2: complex and then we're going to pay you back when
Speaker 2: we lose.
Speaker 1: Also, in his speeches going after this, you think there
Speaker 1: was a contradictory.
Speaker 2: I think it's like Trump, you know, he says one
Speaker 2: thing and then in reality beaches are great. Well, I mean,
Speaker 2: he he did become popular for the.
Speaker 1: Time looking into this, He's really popular. You can't deny that.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I'm I'm just sharing my views, you know,
Speaker 2: That's where where I'm coming from.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like sometimes for it, but but but in
Speaker 2: any case, I mean, the Yeah, the Germans very much
Speaker 2: underestimated the Soviets, and so did the whole Western world.
Speaker 2: But if you looked at the American and British press
Speaker 2: when the Is invaded, they were like, Okay, Russia's done.
Speaker 2: They're going to get destroyed, right, But it turns out
Speaker 2: they had a very because Stalin did those purges. There
Speaker 2: was like a very well tight command system in place,
Speaker 2: industrial system, very proficient one in place, where like they
Speaker 2: were just churning out tanks and automobiles and weapons and
Speaker 2: missiles and guns and ammunition, and they would move their factories.
Speaker 1: Can you believe it?
Speaker 2: Like they they they would take the Nazis would go
Speaker 2: and destroy all their factories, right, they would. They would
Speaker 2: take their equipment, they would go all the way to
Speaker 2: Siberia behind the Urals, and they would build giant factories. Yeah,
Speaker 2: to fund the Someone.
Speaker 1: Just said they've already rebuilt the bridges and I ran
Speaker 1: or some of them, not all of them.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 1: I don't think iok that up. But that's like impressive
Speaker 1: if they are when people have the will and America,
Speaker 1: nothing can be done quick anymore. It's too much like
Speaker 1: I don't understand, Like.
Speaker 2: No, that's actually that's like one of the appeals for it.
Speaker 2: Like some people I guess might be attracted to communism
Speaker 2: because it's an entitlement thing and they just whatever for you.
Speaker 1: It's not because you want like free shit.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's we love this idea that we're just
Speaker 2: like gonna get it done. You know, we're all gonna
Speaker 2: band together, use our muscle, use our strength to build
Speaker 2: a very powerful, uh like industry and and very powerful
Speaker 2: productive forces to create prosperity for our society.
Speaker 1: Things great, absolutely, It's like you build.
Speaker 2: A giant bridge, or you build a giant dam. You
Speaker 2: look at that every time you pass it by. You said,
Speaker 2: we built that.
Speaker 1: We have Hoover Dam out here, which is spectacular. But
Speaker 1: they're not building stuff like that, not g bridge. When's
Speaker 1: the last time we've built anything magnificent like that.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna again because it's not profitable. It's not
Speaker 2: you think about the logic of the system. The most
Speaker 2: profitable thing to do is be a fucking parasite, which is, yes,
Speaker 2: seize the wealth. Sees the thing that was built one
Speaker 2: hundred years ago or seventy years ago, whatever, right sees that,
Speaker 2: and it just keep up in the rent on it
Speaker 2: and you can just increase the rent forever.
Speaker 1: Electricity.
Speaker 2: H We're always gonna be electricity, right, So instead of
Speaker 2: making our electricity better and more efficient, we're just gonna
Speaker 2: up the rent on your electricity, no problem.
Speaker 1: I was in college in California. They faked these rolling blackouts.
Speaker 1: They said they couldn't keep up with all the powers
Speaker 1: they could jack the rates up. I think maybe it
Speaker 1: was run or something. We're like, oh, power is always
Speaker 1: going out. It's completely just fake. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: stuff like that. It's just no.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, that's just kind of how we see it.
Speaker 2: And uh, you know, look, I mean we kind of
Speaker 2: like this idea, like we're gonna There's there's two ways
Speaker 2: of looking at it, right. You could say I want
Speaker 2: to be lazy and weak and I want others to
Speaker 2: do shit format, and that's what That's what a lot
Speaker 2: of people associated. But there's some you know, I think
Speaker 2: the real American Communists, which I think is our party
Speaker 2: and our people. I think we have the mentality of Okay,
Speaker 2: we all have skills and strength, let's pool together our
Speaker 2: strengths and create and do great things that could work.
Speaker 1: But it's like, how do we get everyone behind it.
Speaker 1: How do we everyone working hard? And I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe there's people Hey if you're if you're not working,
Speaker 1: you're not getting the same treatment, right, I don't know, they.
Speaker 2: Know, I absolutely you know. Even Lennon said, he who
Speaker 2: does not work doesn't eat. That comes from the Bible,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fair. I remember, like Eddie talking to him.
Speaker 1: What do you say, one of the most important things
Speaker 1: you can do first is become a very respected member
Speaker 1: of your community. Yeah. Yeah, you respected by people around
Speaker 1: you and your peers, then they're going to listen to And.
Speaker 2: That's the true form of inequality. That's justified. It's absolutely
Speaker 2: just that somebody who's a hero of their community.
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Speaker 2: That's why we focus. You know, we are area. We
Speaker 2: get a lot of hate, and I think it's mainly
Speaker 2: Massad and zion as bots. What does our party mainly do?
Speaker 2: We try to serve our communities. We try to do
Speaker 2: work to actually prove, you know, like that we we
Speaker 2: are what we talk about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to add, like, well, there's I've heard
Speaker 1: of Patriot Front. They're a white only group. They're really demonized,
Speaker 1: but they're doing all kinds of community service. He's building.
Speaker 1: I said, I'll talk to anyone, so men think I'd
Speaker 1: actually really liked him. I went and did. Uh when
Speaker 1: there was there was these floods in Texas, we were
Speaker 1: getting up there like four in the morning and going
Speaker 1: there and working clear.
Speaker 2: We were we were there. Yeah, we were there during
Speaker 2: It feels good.
Speaker 1: To go and like work, and as a group, it's
Speaker 1: a lot easier to go and do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and our organization. I think one of the main
Speaker 2: things also is that we we don't we want a
Speaker 2: unified nation that's not based on race, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree, Like I'll talk to these white nationals,
Speaker 1: so I think I don't dislike the guys, but I
Speaker 1: think we have to have something to pull us together.
Speaker 1: I think it's the problem, and race is one aspect,
Speaker 1: but if you could find something else that's better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that, that's yeah, that's kind of like
Speaker 2: one of the major distinguishing things for us is like
Speaker 2: you know, uh, I'm not saying this is the only reason. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like a huge factor for why we are left wing
Speaker 2: and we reject fundamentally the far right ideas or far
Speaker 2: right ideas whatever. It's just like, look, ultimately, I think
Speaker 2: when you translate into practice certain kinds of nationalism in
Speaker 2: this country, it's gonna be race war, racial conflict, and.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna be good. I talk to some of
Speaker 1: these white nationalists and it's not realistic. I would be
Speaker 1: okay with making a county all white, accounty all black,
Speaker 1: but when they're talking about like we're gonna get rid
Speaker 1: of these people.
Speaker 2: Like this is not gonna happen, right, right, I mean
Speaker 2: we are a multi we are in practice a multi racial.
Speaker 1: Country where I say, like, let's try to get these
Speaker 1: races that maybe you have problems with, Let's try to
Speaker 1: it's all on the same page.
Speaker 2: All our dream is that, Okay, each there are different
Speaker 2: communities that exist objective. Some communities are white, some communities
Speaker 2: are black, whatever, But how about there should be leaders
Speaker 2: in each community who represent their village, their people. Let's
Speaker 2: come together and just work together as one nation.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It's like there's different types of multiculturalism. Some multiculturalism just says,
Speaker 2: you know, let's completely ignore our separate histories and differences.
Speaker 2: Nobody wants, even Black people don't want that. Mexican people
Speaker 2: don't want They don't want to have their entire history
Speaker 2: or rased and just said, Okay, you're just going to
Speaker 2: be part of But I do think we can coexist
Speaker 2: and even fuse together on a basis of mutual respect, understanding.
Speaker 1: Towards and like, yeah, yeah, I've I've had a Black
Speaker 1: National show a couple times. Iokamathi. I like the guy.
Speaker 1: It is the funny part. He even says he's not
Speaker 1: like white people, but I like you. You realize, Oh,
Speaker 1: we can have common good and a lot of That's
Speaker 1: that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: When we start, when we start meeting each other and
Speaker 2: working together, Notice how the hatred disappears.
Speaker 1: We have these real conversations and you realize you like
Speaker 1: each other.
Speaker 2: We have to we have to man to man or
Speaker 2: woman to woman. We have to meet face to face
Speaker 2: and actually talk. We have to. It's like it all
Speaker 2: begins with respect, you know.
Speaker 1: Or do you Guys said like the N word around
Speaker 1: them and he just goes, oh, I don't use that word,
Speaker 1: and I don't like people around me. Oh you don't
Speaker 1: use it. That's totally I apologize. Yeah, if he's constantly
Speaker 1: staying around me, then he's trying to punk me. You know,
Speaker 1: it's like a word game. The guys. You don't I apologize.
Speaker 2: If if you meet someone on the basis of okay,
Speaker 2: I have this conception of you. You're a part of
Speaker 2: a certain race, you're a part of a certain background.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to disrespect you. Of course, You're not
Speaker 2: gonna get anywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just shows you on basic respect.
Speaker 2: When you show people respect and you begin from that level,
Speaker 2: you can build bridges. I think it's possible to build bridges.
Speaker 2: I think in history tribes were different, but because tribal
Speaker 2: chiefs and leaders could come together and have respect, actually
Speaker 2: tribes could unify and become a bigger tribe.
Speaker 1: You know. I agree. I've always been good to hop
Speaker 1: in between different groups that I'm not supposed to be
Speaker 1: able to and I realize that people aren't that different
Speaker 1: for the most part. Now, these parasites that are selling
Speaker 1: in our country out I have hatred towards them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the common American I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, for sure. It's like you know, at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, you know, the number one
Speaker 2: weapon I think they have at their disposal, the people
Speaker 2: that rule, the people that have power, is painting us
Speaker 2: as hateful people, painting us as people as hateful, And
Speaker 2: what does hate mean? It means we're not going to
Speaker 2: be able to unify because if we're hateful. That means
Speaker 2: we hate our neighbors for being a different race or
Speaker 2: religion is something. And you know, to be clear, it's
Speaker 2: always the line of attack anti Semitism, anti Semitism. I
Speaker 2: don't hate Jews no, same time my parents, my parents
Speaker 2: come from South Lebanon. I have every reason to have
Speaker 2: that kind of ethnic hatred, right, But I don't you know,
Speaker 2: at the end of day, I'm going to judge people
Speaker 2: by the merit of their.
Speaker 1: Character everyone, Yeah, and different races might be different, but
Speaker 1: also judge them individually. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it's like I think, if you stand for the good,
Speaker 2: you stand up for what's right, and people are reacting
Speaker 2: to that negatively put that burden on them. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: stand my ground. I'm gonna stand up for what's right.
Speaker 2: And you know, if there's a ton of Jews who
Speaker 2: have a problem with that, I'm not even gonna take
Speaker 2: the bait and say, oh I hate you, you stinking Jews.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say, you know what, that's your problem.
Speaker 1: Something I've noticed too. If you slightly criticize Israel, or
Speaker 1: if you go hard like damn Blasarian, they're gonna fret
Speaker 1: you exactly the same they're gonna hate you the same amount.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it doesn't matter what your theory of power,
Speaker 2: the same they they hate me and Jackson the same
Speaker 2: way they hate you. They say, we're we're just as
Speaker 2: much anti Semites as you are in their eyes.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: And here's another thing I'll say is, look, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of political correctness around you know, the Jewish, and
Speaker 2: I have no patience for it. Because as long as
Speaker 2: we can establish like you don't hate Jews fundamental, that's
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like you're able to meet a Jewish
Speaker 2: person and be like, I don't want to attack you,
Speaker 2: and I don't hate you just because of where you come. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's to me, like what's important, Right, as long as
Speaker 2: we can establish like we're not gonna create a precedent
Speaker 2: where we're going to target or hate people just because
Speaker 2: their background, you know, just because like what their blood
Speaker 2: is or.
Speaker 1: Whether judged individually.
Speaker 2: But can I think most of the sentiment when people
Speaker 2: in this country are talking about Jews or people in
Speaker 2: the Middle East are talking about Jews especially, they're talking
Speaker 2: about a specific like zionis power.
Speaker 1: Structure, right, right, And there's a lot of Jews that
Speaker 1: go along with it maybe the majority, you know, I
Speaker 1: would agree with that. Yeah, that's a problem.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, yeah, absolutely, I mean we we don't need
Speaker 2: to be politically correct about the By the way, you
Speaker 2: know a lot of the Iranian diaspora.
Speaker 1: They were pro war.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's all sorts of Ukrainian diaspora supporting the war
Speaker 2: in Ukraine.
Speaker 1: Right. One of my good friends is Persian and his parents.
Speaker 1: At first they're pro the war, but now they're like anti.
Speaker 1: Well because when when really's end, I want to hit
Speaker 1: one or two things real quick before we wrap, So
Speaker 1: I think it's important, like an hour, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: do want to hit a couple more things real quick
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: First off, well, we didn't hit Mao either, so let's
Speaker 1: just yeah quick mount. I think also, Cuba is interesting
Speaker 1: real quick because we are so heavily embargoed, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're poor, but they can't get anything in Why do
Speaker 1: we still embargo them? Why can't they like, well, look,
Speaker 1: let's get Cuba first, and Cuba first.
Speaker 2: One of the biggest role models in UH inspirations for
Speaker 2: me is Chegovar. Actually, Chegovar is the one who made
Speaker 2: me become a communist. Learning about Jagovar, right. Chaegovar was
Speaker 2: a revolutionary in Cuba who went there and he went
Speaker 2: to the mountains and the Sierra mountains, right, and he
Speaker 2: started to embed himself with the ordinary folk that we're
Speaker 2: living in Cuba. And that was the base of operations
Speaker 2: for the Gorilla war ultimately against the mafia backed and
Speaker 2: installed dictatorship that we had in Cuba, right, the batistat that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we.
Speaker 2: Put them in and it was a mafia estate. It
Speaker 2: was controlled by the mafia. People say, oh, Havannah was
Speaker 2: so good, Okay, Havanah was a thriving Citylansky had him
Speaker 2: mayor Lansky. Yeah, okay, but then ninety percent of Cuba
Speaker 2: was a shipthole.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think my Lansky having casino is your
Speaker 1: place is a good thing.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. So when they kicked out the mafia out
Speaker 2: of Cuba, when they kicked out the Cuba and plus yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: the Jewish mafia, the other other mafia, he was there
Speaker 2: for sure, Yeah, had mafia boss. But then you know
Speaker 2: what's crazy is that that's right on our doorstep. And
Speaker 2: that really pissed off the Wall Street in Washington and
Speaker 2: the centers of power here. They're like it's it was
Speaker 2: the biggest fuck you ever. It was like right on
Speaker 2: the doorstep. Yeah, they were there, right, So they had
Speaker 2: to punish Cuba viciously. They had to really set an example,
Speaker 2: and they had to sadistically ensure that Cuba will never
Speaker 2: be able to actually thrives America. Yeah, so people tell you, well,
Speaker 2: Haw's Cuba is a shithole. I'm like, well, look, Cuba's
Speaker 2: not doing well, but it's not being allowed to do well.
Speaker 1: If they don't let anything in and out right the anyone.
Speaker 2: Who wants to do business with them can't do business
Speaker 2: with us. So what they're reasoning for doing that, well,
Speaker 2: our reasoning is that we had to punish and torture Cuba. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we have to because we tried taking back the island.
Speaker 2: We failed with the Bay of Pigs, and there was
Speaker 2: a nuclear standoff when Russia got involved, when they wanted
Speaker 2: to put the weapons there in.
Speaker 1: Nuclear I think this is important because it's exactly what
Speaker 1: we're trying to do with Ukraine. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we said nope, So why should Russia allow us put
Speaker 1: nukes in Ukraine?
Speaker 2: The worst part is that Cuba just wanted to do
Speaker 2: it in self defense. Because they had already gone in
Speaker 2: bab right, But yeah, we we I think it's a
Speaker 2: very Americans are just not awake yet. And I regret
Speaker 2: that they're getting awake about Palestine. But we're on the cuspin,
Speaker 2: on the verge of taking Cuba.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Trump keeps saying he might, yeah, and he might.
Speaker 2: Look what he's might, like be absolutely Cuba's in a
Speaker 2: crisis now because they got their oil and energy from Venezuela.
Speaker 2: That's over. It's blackouts are across the whole nation, and
Speaker 2: the regime change in Cuba is now very possible. And
Speaker 2: it's it's sad Americans aren't educated about it.
Speaker 1: These seems sick. We won't let these people run the
Speaker 1: government how they want to run their government, so instead
Speaker 1: we just like starving.
Speaker 2: And you know, the the knuckleheads and idiots that cheer
Speaker 2: this stuff on, even in Venezuela, It's like what they
Speaker 2: don't get is like, look, when when the regime is
Speaker 2: waving its dick around and violating international law and just
Speaker 2: destroying sovereign countries abroad, you know, they're sending a message
Speaker 2: to us too. Right, they could do anything they want
Speaker 2: to us as well. If they can go to Venezuela
Speaker 2: and Cuba and slap them around the way that they
Speaker 2: do that that's a message to us.
Speaker 1: They're looking at us too. And Ice was like killing
Speaker 1: American citizens. People are cheering it on, like you're cheering
Speaker 1: on a police state. Yeah, the same people were critical
Speaker 1: of Ruby Ridge rightfully, so in the Waco, Texas right
Speaker 1: now they're cheering on like executing US citizens.
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, what I appreciate is that we
Speaker 2: don't have to have the same ideology, but we kind
Speaker 2: of have the same common sense. See humanity absolutely, you know,
Speaker 2: there's an underlying shared humanity we have to have that
Speaker 2: I think we have lost in the name of idea.
Speaker 2: In the name of ideology. It's like they're like, well,
Speaker 2: these liberals hate us, And it's like, well, is it
Speaker 2: true that all of them hate you? Is it true
Speaker 2: that shouldn't you have some good faith towards your fellow
Speaker 2: American That Okay, there's extremists who are crazy or whatever,
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, most people are
Speaker 2: human exactly and have common sense. I think most liberals,
Speaker 2: if where they were at this table, could have a
Speaker 2: conversation with us. I've talked to a lot of liberals.
Speaker 2: They're normal human beings. Now, are there some extremists who
Speaker 2: say you should be killed I hate you because you
Speaker 2: have different views, for sure, but they're on the liberal side.
Speaker 2: They're on the right as well.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've always been you know, lived in liberal city,
Speaker 1: been more conservative also, fighting has both, so I've always
Speaker 1: been able to, you know, go back and forth being
Speaker 1: both people and see them all as humans.
Speaker 2: I've met many liberals and you know, uh, we disagree,
Speaker 2: but we're still human, right exactly. Yeah, So yeah, that
Speaker 2: that's that's really And then I know you want to
Speaker 2: talk about Mau a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a long time A quick little overview of
Speaker 1: because that's you know, Chinese friends. They're obviously they're the
Speaker 1: ones that fled and be critical of him. But like
Speaker 1: there's the great lead forwards. The just just a quick
Speaker 1: I guess history.
Speaker 2: I'll just tell you the very quick one is that
Speaker 2: today in China now for the only majority of Chinese field,
Speaker 2: Mao is a revered like legendary. He's like the Buddha
Speaker 2: almost like he's an extremely He represents the common people
Speaker 2: in China today. You know, you go to the rural villages,
Speaker 2: people it's like he's a saint, you know, Saint Mao.
Speaker 2: He was he had our back, he was looking out
Speaker 2: for interest. China is an interesting case because after Stalin died,
Speaker 2: and we even speculate he might have been assassinated, a
Speaker 2: kind of click took power in the USSR that basically
Speaker 2: set the road and set set the table for Gorbachev, which.
Speaker 1: Was do you think you kind of started going downhill
Speaker 1: after Stalin?
Speaker 2: I think so the USSR. There were achievements and stuff,
Speaker 2: for sure, but like they were starting to drive it
Speaker 2: toward a path of.
Speaker 1: And people stayed comes in where people start self interest.
Speaker 2: People stopped believing in the ideas as well, became cynical,
Speaker 2: became more corrupt. China was on an opposite path. You know,
Speaker 2: China had just had its Civil war, dirt poor country,
Speaker 2: devastated by Japan, devastated by the war of the civil war,
Speaker 2: and already starting out very backwards.
Speaker 1: They started out very poor.
Speaker 2: So Mao was similar to Stalin in that way. He's like, okay,
Speaker 2: we basically have to start from nothing. Because the USSR
Speaker 2: did support China in the fifties, but then they stopped
Speaker 2: because Mao started to realize that the Soviets were trying
Speaker 2: to impose their system and their way on China, and
Speaker 2: he could already see the Soviets were becoming corrupt, and
Speaker 2: he's like, well, I don't want that corruption in China, right,
Speaker 2: more or less, so Mao has Mao has to do
Speaker 2: the great Leap forward, which is what it is. It
Speaker 2: was a great Lee forward, which was the same thing
Speaker 2: Stalin did in the thirties, but on a much grander scale.
Speaker 2: Mao has to basically say, Okay, we Chinese have to
Speaker 2: have a Chinese style socialism. We can't depend on any foreigners.
Speaker 2: They're not going to give us loans. The Soviets are
Speaker 2: being stingy with the loans, and uh, well they were
Speaker 2: being generous at first, but yeah, China was becoming they're
Speaker 2: becoming indebted. Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: And every becoming death gives out these loans. These countries
Speaker 1: now we own.
Speaker 2: You exactly right, So, uh, you know China, Mao basically said, okay,
Speaker 2: we need to amp up the production of steel. We
Speaker 2: need to kind of you know, create a very solid
Speaker 2: industrial base, energy infrastructure, h hydro power and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: irrigation and and just increase our fundamentals when it comes
Speaker 2: to our heavy industry because we no longer depend on
Speaker 2: anyone else now. Uh. The main thing that they depended
Speaker 2: on on China to do that was mobilizing It's an
Speaker 2: interesting topic actually mobilizing the labor force of China based
Speaker 2: on belief, really based on morale, right, basic like this
Speaker 2: is this is like our cause, it's like our belief,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna do it because we believe in this,
Speaker 2: not necessarily like a material incentive, right, And that was
Speaker 2: a kind of like voluntaristic idea that Soviets really didn't like,
Speaker 2: because the Soviets would prefer basically to be more systematic
Speaker 2: and institutional about things. But that also led to a
Speaker 2: lot of chaos, okay. So there were people that were
Speaker 2: starting at lower levels to misreport the amount that was
Speaker 2: being produced. There were all sorts of There was all
Speaker 2: sorts of chaos that happened in China during the greatly
Speaker 2: Forward in addition to the fact there were droughts okay
Speaker 2: that made the harvesters right, and that led to a
Speaker 2: big famine. You know, the Chinese government says fifteen million
Speaker 2: but people being killed, but yeah, and then here but
Speaker 2: here's some missing never no but here they don't explain
Speaker 2: the missing context. Before Mao, China regularly had famines that
Speaker 2: killed millions and millions of people. China had a famine
Speaker 2: that killed forty five million people before Mao. That's the
Speaker 2: amount of people that died in the thirties before Mao,
Speaker 2: just to it was considered normal and at the peak
Speaker 2: of the greatly forward, at the.
Speaker 1: Peak of it, they were just so poor and didn't happen.
Speaker 2: So the way they calculate the deaths of the famine
Speaker 2: is they look at the mortality rate. So they say, okay,
Speaker 2: how many people per one hundred people, per a thousand
Speaker 2: people are dying right at this given point, at the
Speaker 2: peak of the greatly for when the famine was at
Speaker 2: its worst, China still had less of a mortality rate
Speaker 2: than India. You know what that means India. Yeah, India
Speaker 2: was dealing with these capitalists. India was dealing with these
Speaker 2: worst famines, worse deaths from malnutrition and zieas and healthcare.
Speaker 2: It was after after. But it's funny because nobody says that,
Speaker 2: I've never heard that. Nobody says that India was responsible
Speaker 2: for mass murder. But even if the norm for India
Speaker 2: was more people dying in access to what is normal
Speaker 2: because of the system than at the worst point of
Speaker 2: the famine. Under Mau the grat of fourth lasted, the
Speaker 2: family lasted for three years. Right, what do we see
Speaker 2: after the famine, which was yes, a massive blunder, a
Speaker 2: massive case of dysfunction. They rapidly, very rapidly changed their
Speaker 2: entire system and agriculture, and it was a lot of chaos.
Speaker 2: But ultimately, in the long run, China's rates of the
Speaker 2: production of steel, of the production of agriculture, food stuffs,
Speaker 2: every category you can think of skyrockets from the period
Speaker 2: of the sixties all the way to Mao's death. I mean,
Speaker 2: China is industrializing at such a massive steady rate science, technology, innovation.
Speaker 2: They're sending rockets up, They're developing technologies. They had the
Speaker 2: Third Front movement where they're going into the interior. They're
Speaker 2: building all this infrastructure, nuclear power, and China's on the
Speaker 2: rise even then under Mao. Then when Mao is when
Speaker 2: Mao dies, Deng Shautink, Deng Shauping takes power. He's like, okay,
Speaker 2: we have all of us the reform and opening up.
Speaker 1: I believe was I can look died real quick. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm pretty sure Mao died in seventy six,
Speaker 2: but I would think but the reform and opening up
Speaker 2: I believe was seventy nine.
Speaker 1: Was that with Nixon?
Speaker 2: No, that was before before. Yeah, But anyway, Uh, I
Speaker 2: didn't get any sleep last night, so I'm kind of
Speaker 2: maybe the dates I'm getting wrong or something.
Speaker 1: Uh it's a close time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know
Speaker 1: that's the right time for them.
Speaker 2: But anyway, Uh, Deng Shaoping inherits this nation that has
Speaker 2: a lot of infrastructure and a lot of factories and
Speaker 2: a lot of like like organized labor, right that's just
Speaker 2: already there. And his reforms that were market oriented drew
Speaker 2: upon the thing created by Mao as a foundation. Hydro
Speaker 2: electric power, irrigation works that were created under the Great
Speaker 2: Lead Forward. All this common infrastructure that was created under
Speaker 2: Mao Dengshallping allowed people to tap in and utilize and
Speaker 2: attached to the world market. And that's why to this
Speaker 2: day China is prospering. So China owes a profound debt
Speaker 2: to Mao because he created the national industrial system, set it.
Speaker 1: Out of because it was basically just like villages.
Speaker 2: There was exactly because before then they had nothing. Mao
Speaker 2: created this giant national industrial system that once it got
Speaker 2: to a certain level, Dengshaoping was like, Okay, now we
Speaker 2: can make it more dynamic and adaptable, because you know,
Speaker 2: if you're a peasant at a village level, you can
Speaker 2: draw from the things created by Mao more individually, like
Speaker 2: at the household level. But you could just take it
Speaker 2: for granted. Now you have the irrigation, you have the
Speaker 2: access to electricity.
Speaker 1: To infrastructure, and do anything without that.
Speaker 2: Exactly when you just have like in Africa for example,
Speaker 2: when you just have a bunch of villages or something,
Speaker 2: and then the IMF says, okay, make these market reforms
Speaker 2: and become a free market society. What are people going
Speaker 2: to do? Ye're you're sitting in a village somewhere.
Speaker 1: He was going to take the money, I feel they
Speaker 1: hand it to you.
Speaker 2: Exact what are you going to tap into. You don't
Speaker 2: have any domestic production, you don't have an industrial system,
Speaker 2: you don't have common infrastructure, whole systems. Sometimes they don't
Speaker 2: have roads.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so haven't you do anything? Well? Coffee not a communist,
Speaker 1: but he didn't he do give a lot back. He
Speaker 1: built all this infaty.
Speaker 2: He he was a socialist. Actually he had a socialistic vision. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we destroyed it. Yeah basically. And I actually, you think
Speaker 2: about the countries we're at war with and we have
Speaker 2: problems with, they're either communists or they're socialists of some kind.
Speaker 2: Even Iran doesn't call itself communists, but Iran is pretty socialistic.
Speaker 2: You know, the IRGC is in firm control of most
Speaker 2: of the means of production within Iran. Iran. They own
Speaker 2: their oil, they own their gas, they own their natural resources.
Speaker 2: And it's like you have these two competing visions of
Speaker 2: human development, debt based on IMF loans and following the
Speaker 2: model that we have here basically, which has only worked
Speaker 2: out for for countries we have artificial propped up but
Speaker 2: the Marshall Plan. Yeah, so what Western Europe does pretty well,
Speaker 2: South Korea does pretty well, Japan does pretty well. But
Speaker 2: we created South Korea and Japan. We gave them all
Speaker 2: this free stuff in capital because the whole point was
Speaker 2: we were like, we want to artificially prop up these
Speaker 2: countries who wanted to look like they were booming in
Speaker 2: to be better than communism. Yeah, because we want the
Speaker 2: South to be better than the North. We want West
Speaker 2: Germany to be better than East Germany. That was a
Speaker 2: Marshall plan. The countries that were not the beneficiary of
Speaker 2: the Marshall plants majority of the world, majority of the
Speaker 2: world that lives under capitalism doesn't prosper right, it's only
Speaker 2: the ones that we use socialistic subsidies.
Speaker 1: Definitely problems. I mean there is You can't make the
Speaker 1: argument though that America is the easiest country to get
Speaker 1: fairly wealthy. Maybe not like these billionaires, but you're I
Speaker 1: think there are still positive but it's getting harder in America.
Speaker 1: It's getting harder.
Speaker 2: We definitely agree on that. It's getting harder to agree.
Speaker 1: It's getting harder to buy a home, it's getting harder
Speaker 1: to like the fun things are on the decline. And
Speaker 1: it's like, we made a lot of excellent points. That's
Speaker 1: why I'm not saying to debate you and some of
Speaker 1: these things. I understand someone I want someone to debate you.
Speaker 1: People didn't want to step forwards to debate communism because
Speaker 1: it's like, I agree a lot of what you said,
Speaker 1: and it's like, no.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm to be clear, like I'm just expressing
Speaker 2: my opinion. Yeah, you know, we all have different points
Speaker 2: on exactly.
Speaker 1: That's why I figure to be stupid people or probably
Speaker 1: mad you're in debate, but I'm not here to you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm trying to figure out your perspective.
Speaker 1: I want to hear you explain it out, I think people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's so weird.
Speaker 2: How like, just because I'm saying this on your podcast,
Speaker 2: people will probably try to attack me and be like,
Speaker 2: for sure, oh that means you agree with everything he's saying.
Speaker 2: And this is like one for one year view and it's.
Speaker 1: Hardly pushed back. It's like, I just wanted to hear
Speaker 1: you explain it and a lot of stuff I haven't
Speaker 1: looked up, And how am I gonna start trying to
Speaker 1: argue with you? And I don't know, Look, I'll be retarded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean. And also it's just like, you know,
Speaker 2: if someone is gonna say that, it's probably because they
Speaker 2: don't have the mental capacity or fortitude to be secure
Speaker 2: enough in their own views. And they you know, they're
Speaker 2: just outraged by it because they themselves feel like they
Speaker 2: like you said, people, you couldn't even find a lot
Speaker 2: of people who wanted to debate me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people don't say names, but you know, multiple people
Speaker 1: said no after and these are people that do a
Speaker 1: lot of debates. We might be able to have some
Speaker 1: debates online. This guy, Jake Laying might debate you, and
Speaker 1: that'll be great. That would be funny in debates you
Speaker 1: because I was surprised how you said it was gonna
Speaker 1: be harder than I'm like that it's gonna be easier.
Speaker 2: Then that would be a really good in real life
Speaker 2: debate as well.
Speaker 1: That would be hilarious. Yeah, he's pushed a lot of
Speaker 1: Muslim hate too, That's.
Speaker 2: What I mean. Yeah, he has an interesting background.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot more we talk about than you
Speaker 1: want to add before we rap, because I think it's
Speaker 1: what if people find you I didn't mention that.
Speaker 2: So I have a website Infrared dot gg, you know,
Speaker 2: you know for the American Communist Party. I'm also the
Speaker 2: host of the Infrared Show and Movement. You know, we're
Speaker 2: basically like this.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: The reason you have people like me that are left
Speaker 2: wing that are very much different from you know, your
Speaker 2: average AOC whatever liberals, a lot of it comes from
Speaker 2: the Infrared movement.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: We're basically trying to rediscover and learn about Marxism in
Speaker 2: a new age, you know, so we have a fresh
Speaker 2: and new perspective that a lot of people aren't familiar with.
Speaker 2: And then on Twitter, infra has, you know, these are
Speaker 2: the main places you can find me. But anyway, you know,
Speaker 2: to wrap up, I really appreciate the opportunity you gave
Speaker 2: me to have this discussion and just share what my
Speaker 2: views are because there's a lot of people on the
Speaker 2: right who, you know, their response to my existence is oh,
Speaker 2: he should be killed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they won't even like hear you out. They won't
Speaker 1: even open the mass. They probably won't bet people that
Speaker 1: are mad won't even listen to the interview, probably talk
Speaker 1: to this damn communy.
Speaker 2: They're gonna they're gonna they're gonna see the title and
Speaker 2: make a bunch of assumptions about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like when I just want to hear other perspectives
Speaker 1: because I realized we've been lied to about everything, So
Speaker 1: let's just start having commed all sorts of perspective.
Speaker 2: There's people who have very right wing perspectives. There's people
Speaker 2: who are libertarians, there's people who have liberal perspective. It's like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: if we're a true Americans, why what's wrong with hearing
Speaker 2: a communist perspective.
Speaker 1: No, we need to reach across and even I was
Speaker 1: on the phone with Sean King, you remember him from Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember making fun of him so bad, and we
Speaker 1: were just talking about like, now we can unite over
Speaker 1: a common good of like, hey, let's try to get
Speaker 1: rid of the Zionis influence. Absolutely, yeah, Like we could
Speaker 1: let the stupid insults we threw at each other go.
Speaker 1: They didn't really mean anything. They was the internet.
Speaker 2: Beef and drama is just not real beneath what it's
Speaker 2: beneath our situation. Our situation is we don't have sovereignty, yeah,
Speaker 2: living under lawlessness more or less.
Speaker 1: We need to drop the whole left versus right, them
Speaker 1: versus us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we shouldn't accept their definition of left versus right either,
Speaker 2: because who are they to decide that left wing means
Speaker 2: you're politically correct, and that right wing means I get
Speaker 2: called right wing? Yeah yeah, because I tell bad jokes
Speaker 2: and use bad words sometimes I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want trannies reading books to my kids, or
Speaker 1: a man dress as a woman. So I'm right wing.
Speaker 2: Because and then you keep telling people they're hitler because
Speaker 2: they have specific views about their family and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: which I think are reasonable, that you want your kids
Speaker 2: to be raised a certain way.
Speaker 1: It works brilliantly.
Speaker 2: You keep getting called a Nazi. A Nazi. Well, some
Speaker 2: people who may not originally know about a lot, maybe
Speaker 2: they'll just say, sure, let me look, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: So brilliantly. So I just started being like, sure, I'm
Speaker 1: right wing because I didn't want trannies. But that's that's
Speaker 1: not really left versus right.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. It's like, maybe maybe that might
Speaker 2: not be ultimately what your position.
Speaker 1: Pro free speech, anti war right. That was the left
Speaker 1: and it was the right, I mean party.
Speaker 2: I'll say something crazy, you ask me you are more
Speaker 2: left wing than aoc is, possibly because if you're anti
Speaker 2: war and you're basically I guess true the warmongers in power,
Speaker 2: you are more revolutionary.
Speaker 1: And I don't think we should take corporate money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she does.
Speaker 1: What's that guy's navigating in New York. He's such a clown.
Speaker 2: And he's yeah, he's he's just given a bad name
Speaker 2: to all of us because he's a Zionist. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you know that.
Speaker 1: I think it does. His bomb have ties to something
Speaker 1: something that I don't know details behind that, but there
Speaker 1: are shills.
Speaker 2: Of the Democrats, shills with the Republicans.
Speaker 1: He's so obviously just propped up, Like, isn't it.
Speaker 2: The most brilliant thing in the world that the capitalist
Speaker 2: class has made the left wing the opposite of the
Speaker 2: working class.
Speaker 1: No, it's it's really brilliant.
Speaker 2: And they made the right wing popular among the working class.
Speaker 1: They did, and it's like like the ure, like the
Speaker 1: working class guys, and they're brilliant. Like occupy Why Wall Street,
Speaker 1: like we mentioned earlier, is a perfect example. How people
Speaker 1: started being like, wait, they screwed us. Then they started
Speaker 1: pushing the that's the media started pushing the race and the.
Speaker 2: Race stuff, the identity stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh it's black versus white, not the rich versus the poor.
Speaker 2: And then people fell for a hook line and syncrew.
Speaker 1: No, they really did. Hey, thanks so much. That was good.
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