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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so
much for joining us for another episode of Dogman Encounters Radio.
Really appreciate it. Before we start tonight's show, I've got
some sad news I want to share with you. It
was brought to my attention that recently, unfortunately Cody Laughingwolf,
who has featured on a couple of episodes Away Back,
he's the guest where it came to my attention that
he had fabricated his encounters. Well, unfortunately, I found out
that he passed away apparently, so he's no longer with us.
I realized that a lot of you listening to the
show had some bitter feelings towards him because of him
hoasting his encounters. But we need to make sure we
never forget that he still was a human being. And
it's hard to say why he faked those encounters. Maybe
it's because he was in a bad place in his life.
That much I do know, maybe that's why he faked
those encounters. I really don't know. But even though he
did that still, I mean, you have to feel for
the man. I hate the fact that he has passed.
I just wanted to put that out there for you.
Moving on to tonight's guest, Chris. A lot of people
ask me about encounters happening in this place or that place. Vic,
I haven't heard about encounters happening in this state all
that often. Do you get many from that area. Well,
tonight's guest, one of the biggest reasons why he decided
to come on is because he hadn't heard about many,
or hardly any dogged me in encounters happening in Indiana. Well,
that's where his happened, pretty close to Warsaw, a town
called Warsaw there in Indiana. He wanted to get the
word out for other people in the state who might
have had the same mindset that he had. They had encounters,
and they're starting to wonder themselves, do encounters happen here? Well,
without any further Ado, let's bring him in here now. Chris,
Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Hi, Vic, Thank you very much, man.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you be here. Well, it's great having you here.
Thank you for your time. Chris. Please give us a
brief bio in yourself.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm originally from Costiasco, Indiana. I was born, born, born,
and raised there. That's the same county that I had
this encounter. And I've my first memory and all my
fondest memories has been in the woods with my father,
big farm family.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I fish, I mean, I breathe at outdoors, and so
I've just you know, I've never had experience like I
I'm going to talk about tonight. It's just so surreal,
you know, And I'm really glad to tell my story.
Speaker 2: Well it goes with that saying I'm glad to give
you a platform to do it, to share it. So yeah,
that's a win win in both cases. Chris, you just
mentioned the woods and how your dad used to take
you out. The first time we spoke, you told me
that you've been in the woods your whole life. What's
the most frightening thing though, that's ever happened to you
out there that wasn't dog man related.
Speaker 1: Well, actually, me and my little brother who's up in
there's a ski resort in Michigan and I can't I
can't quite remember the county. It's just right over the
state line though, and there's a bunch of publican property
runner and I went in there one night, And this
is sort of weird because I've never gotten lost in
the woods, and I've never been scared about being lost
in the woods. And I was probably the third or
thirty years old at the time, and I went back
bow hunting and I came out of the woods, I
got turned around and almost felt like something was chasing
me or following me, and it really freaked me out,
and I had just running in a big circle. And finally,
after two hours, I got to the truck. And that's
really the only thing that I've ever seen or felt
out hunting weird.
Speaker 2: Well, wasn't there another time when you were fifteen when
you had something really frightening when you and your brother
were in the woods?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, Okay, so this is this is even a
little harder to talk about than the other because I
just I don't even know how to categorize this one. Now.
I'll let your guests just go that me and my
brother Russell, we was inside and we heard we had
we raised labs, we had a kennel. We had a
big golden lad named Dusty, just big big boy couldn't
even fit into the dog outse he's so big, had
like a basketball. Anyways, he was going off. So we
got to twenty two and we walked back there. You know,
we're fifteen years old, and we kick on the flood
light and the yard drops down into a bit swamp.
So with the light where it goes out any trees
that it's on, it's got to be about twenty feet
up in the air, sort of standing there and I
don't know, twenty five feet in front of us. Something
stuck its head out from around the tree, and like
that lady on X men, its skin actually like moved
and became texture like the tree in the same color.
And I'm looking at it and it smiled in it
looked like someone filed its teeth, and I'm like, what
is this? And it's I don't know, i'd say probably
four foot tall. Its head was maybe like a baby size.
It wasn't real big, but its eyes were like almost
an amber and amber slits and had pointed ears and
the teeth I verly remember so, and it just sort
of smiled and blinked at us, and we turned the
run and it ran and we went inside, backed up
against the walls, got the dog in, got the gun
towards the door, and that was the last we ever
heard of scene of that. But I don't even know
what to say about that, you know, Goblin, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's hard to know what to say about that other
than hopefully you never see something like that again.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it was scary. I mean, it scared me more
than the dog man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why that's freaky. Not put the
freakin lotion in the basket kind of freaky. But yeah,
it's a different kind of freaky. It's not good.
Speaker 1: At all, you know it. I'll tell you that kind
of experience right there would make somebody second guess going
in the woods?
Speaker 2: Yeah would How long did you have a new woods
policy after that experience?
Speaker 1: Didn't? Didn't? You know what I mean? I was young,
I was you know, nothing can hurt me. I'm invincible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're fifteen, you definitely are, at least you
think you are. So I get it. I do. Like
we've already established, your encounter happened close to Warsaw, Indiana.
What can you tell us about the place.
Speaker 1: Very quiet community, you know a lot of good fishing,
I guess when I think of the back there, that's
all I think about. It's all good fishing because that's
what I love to do. Uh, good deer hunting.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Right now that that county where that state's ranked number
one of boon and crocket entries. So they got a
real good, healthy gear population. So that's you know, I
did a lot of hunting. It's a very Uh they're
a peaceful place. It can be a lot of beautiful lakes.
Speaker 2: Well, it does sound like a beautiful place, nice and
laid back with all the country. Yeah, I like that band.
That's great. You weren't alone when you had your dog
me in the encounter. You had a friend with you.
What can you tell us about him?
Speaker 1: His name was Dave, very good friend of mine and
knowing for a long time, I actually got him into
hunting and fishing. You know. He was just a gung
ho guy, you know, very smart. I mean probably with
smart guys, I've ever met a good guy. You know.
Just if I was going hundred fishing, he wanted to
be there and would be part of it. He loved
everything about it and he was just say buck, we
just really enjoyed hunting, you know, being together out now doors.
Speaker 2: It's always good to have a good friend like that,
especially growing up. It really is. When you two had
that encounter, you just knew that it was a were
wolf that you're looking at. What's it like to see
what you think as a bonafide were wolf? Okay, okay,
without giving us the details of your encounter yet.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay. I I didn't never heard the term dog
man coined until I started listening to your podcast, because
I got a dog inside laying on my bed, and
that's a dog. What I've seen is more like a
wolf monster, you know what I mean to me, I
don't see dog in it. It's got dog features, but
it don't behave like a dog.
Speaker 2: No, they don't. Well, in some ways they kind of do.
But yeah, there is definitely a clear difference between the two.
There's no denying that. All right, Chris, please tell us
about this encounter. Now, give us every last detail that
comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, okay, it was, I believe it was. I think
it was in November ninety nine. It was either in November,
like the being a December. You know, me and my
buddies out driving around, were just looking to see if
we could see some coyotes, you know, out of the country,
just messing around, nothing serious. And uh, we was coming
up to a tee and I was driving and coming
to a stop sign, and I would turn right real
slow and then turn left so I could sweep my
headlights out across the field, you know, So we would
have to be shining around with the light and bothering people,
you know, or scaring somebody or thinking we're out there
doing something wrong. So we just use the headlights. Well,
in the process of doing this, I stopped about maybe
a third of the way through the turn because about
thirty five yards in front of us, walking at a
pretty good steady gait, you know, didn't even seem like
we were on the same planet. It didn't pay attention
to us was who probably eight and a half feet.
I'd say, I don't know's I can give a sideways,
So to guess weight, I would put above six hundred.
All day long, I could see its claws. Its claws
look like not like black stilettos. It's haunches. Like your
other guest said, we're like weird. Didn't have a tail
that I seen. It almost looked like imagine putting a
dog face on the front of the Batman mask. That's
what it looked like. It went from its shoulders, the
trap muscle straight to the bottom of his ears, so
like it had no neck. It was just all muscle.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it did after you laid eyes on it.
What happened?
Speaker 1: Do we just I mean, we're sitting here like, you know,
what are we looking at? And my buddies like, Chris,
what is this? I'm like, well, I know what it
isn't but I you know, like I said, say, saying
it out loud would have made it more real. You know,
we still didn't even know if what we were seeing
was real. But there's no denying what was standing there.
You know. It didn't have any threatened posture gestures. You know,
we did have firearms with us, you know, at a
twelve gage in three away, which in my mind, you know,
at the angle it was, if it would have threatened us,
I feel maybe now, I feel maybe I might be
able to protect us. But then didn't even like, not
even a fraction come into my mind to grab a gun,
you know what I mean, that was the last thing
on my mind. I was still trying to process what
was going on.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure you were. After it left your site?
Where did you go? Who did you tell?
Speaker 1: See? I was thinking earlier about that, you know what
I mean, what I did right after, you know what
I mean. When I decided to leave, it hadn't crossed
the road yet in front of us, you know what
I mean, So when I would cross, it's still been
out the passenger's side coming that way. I really don't
remember the drive from there to my cousin's house, which
was three miles away. It was like three in the morning.
I do remember, though, when I showed up my cousins,
I kicked his door and beating it down so bad.
I was like, let me in. I need to use
your phone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that you did need to use it. So you
and Dave were just cruising down that road in the
country and all of a sudden, this weird wolf looking
thing comes into view in front of you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just right there. Yeah, I don't know
where I Okay, I've never never heard of anybody else
that I know of, you know what I mean. And
I'm into this kind of stuff, you know, more UFOs,
But I've never heard of anybody seen anything like this,
you know what I mean. And as much hours as
I have in the woods and on the water, if
anybody's can see something like this, it would you know,
it'd be a chance it'd be somebody like me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the luck of the draw. You never asked
to have that experience. It just happened. I guess you
two were in the wrong place at the right time,
or maybe the right place at the wrong time. It's
hard to say, but you're cruising down the road in
the country with Dave. All of a sudden, this wirlolf
looking monster comes into view. It's walking along doing this thing.
As you went past it, how close was it to
the car?
Speaker 1: You know what? At that point, I was just trying
to get out of there. I would say maybe twenty
yards from the road, because we followed with the headlights
for sixty sixty five yards, you know what I mean.
It might even been like parallel road to an extent.
I don't know. I didn't want to leave. I remember that.
I just kept wanting. I was hrawed. I was like, wow, man,
you know, because it didn't seem scary to me. You know,
maybe it's a false sense of security me being in
a car and having firearms at our reach. But I
just didn't feel threatened at all, you know, I just
wanted to say, like I was, I wanted to know
what I was looking at.
Speaker 2: I still do you say that you didn't feel threatened,
But after you went past it, you told me that
it did something that did make you feel threatened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I my buddy might have seen. I was. I
had my eyes on the road. I don't I don't
know where it crossed. I don't. You know, it's really
it's not much. But I sent you that the you
know the GPS where it was. If you take a
look around that area, there's not many woods, there's a few,
you know. I was just really really scared that, you know,
this seemed to get hold of some of his children,
because I don't think this thing's eating mulberries.
Speaker 2: No, definitely an obligate carnivore. So it's not eating maulberries,
that's for sure. But the first time we spoke about
your encounter, you told me it came after you after
you went past it.
Speaker 1: No, I I don't remember it ever coming after me. Actually,
if I said that, then I must have been misremembering that.
I'm sitting here thinking now when I took the headlights
off of it. That was the last I saw of it. Now,
my buddy might have been keeping an eye on it more,
but he it scared him a lot more than it
did me. He was freaking out. Yeah, last time I
seen it, it didn't even look at us. It didn't,
Like I said, I had a full on from its
left shoulder looking to it's right you know. So I
don't know. I really, I don't know what it did.
When I took the lights off of it. I was
just trying to get out of there.
Speaker 2: Huh. I see you told me that it chased the car,
that it came after you guys.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think I was talking about it one
of the shows I was watching of yours where one
came out and grabbed in front of some of these
vehicle and slowed them down.
Speaker 2: No, that was episode one ninety with Brandon Close. Now,
when we spoke, you said that it actually came after
your car that you and Dave were in. So I
was a little confused by that.
Speaker 1: No, No, no, it didn't come after us, not not
that I've seen it didn't. No, it just ignored us.
It didn't even look at us.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, Well that's a lot better than nor Turner.
Then it definitely. Yes. Yeah, from what I understand, you
suppressed the memory of that encounter for years. How long
was it that you suppressed the memories and what jarred
your memories to come back?
Speaker 1: Twenty five years? I don't know. I guess that that's
maybe that's my way of dealing with a traumatic experience,
you know what I mean. It's just like my brain
just says, Hey, we're gonna put this in the cabinet
and we're gonna put a key on it. It never happened,
you know. I was setting on my mom's couch just
talking and all of a sudden, I just had this.
It was like a dream, and I'm like it just
hit me. And I'm like, wait a minute, why am
I thinking about this, you know what I mean? And
the more I thought about it, details, details, details, and
I'm like, wha hold on. I got I got a
message my buddy, and so I found a dog man
or wolf or wolf whatever, and I screenshot it and
send in the picture. I said, they please tell me
that we did or did not run into this one night.
He said, Chris, we absolutely did.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sorry, oh no, I apologize for interrupting you. It
would have been nice if he wouldn't have confirmed that
it happened, because it would have been a dream then possibly.
But yeah, you don't. You don't hallucinate with other people.
Speaker 1: So that's a major point I'm I'm standing on right now.
Like you know what I mean, we we hadn't even
had a beer or nothing that not, you know what
I mean. I don't even smoked cigarettes, so I mean what,
there's no way. Yeah, we were seeing the same thing.
We were not hallucinating. That's a fact.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness for that. When you saw the dog Man,
how would you describe its posture? Some of these guys
are leaning over so far that you're surprised, or not
using their hands to knuckle walk or do it almost flat.
Speaker 1: It almost seemed like that, you know how Gorilla dragged
his hands, that's about you know what I mean. It
was walking sort of that way, but it had more
of a meaningful walk to it, not like could just
meaner and around, you know, it had it was going somewhere,
and it was going It was like a missile locked on.
So I don't know if it's going to hunt what
it was doing. But like I said, it was in
the crp grass and if I was to go out there,
it'd be up to my knee, and that grass just
barely covered its feet. That's the only thing I didn't
see was its feet. It. Yeah, the muscles on it,
that's that. That's what really sticks on my mind. This
scene looked like you took the best linebacker and just
threw ten of them at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a neat footter. That's pretty big. It's gonna that
grass is going to hit it a lot differently than
it hits you, So I get it. I do just
some clear for clarity on this. Was it on all
fours as it was moving or too, but just leaning forward?
Speaker 1: Never did I see it going all fours it was.
It was just a steady It's arms didn't like you said,
like I heard the other people described, They didn't really
you know, swing back and forth. They sort of just
were hanging it right in front of it. And its
forearms are definitely longer, you know. Then it it looked
like it could have touched his heels out bending over,
you know, leaning over, But if like from the elbow
to the shoulder seemed normal. Other than you know what
I mean, it was massive and.
Speaker 2: You said his hands were really close to the ground
as it was moving.
Speaker 1: They were that he would swing them up just enough
to where I could see the I mean, that's another
thing to really freaking out. Was the claws I could.
I mean, wow, they were I don't know, I'm looking,
I'm thinking of a grizzly claw, but then they're they're
a lot. Yeah, grizzly clau doing have nothing on these things.
They were like stilettos. And I could see the headlights
shining off of them.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, if that doesn't get your motor run and
nothing and will. How long would you say those claws were.
Speaker 1: At least four inches? There's long. They were long as
my fingers all day. They probably longer than that.
Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, that's pretty long. Not going to give you
the warm and fuzzies, Chris. I've got that photo posted
now that you sent me that shows the location where
that encounter happened. What more can you tell us about
this picture of where it happened.
Speaker 1: It's just really I mean it's nice down there. Nice
and Peace Wars a really nice golf course down there.
I have a friend of mine and his wife and
their children bought a place right I mean right now
by there. None of these people back home know about this,
you know what I mean, my friends and stuff, my family,
they're just not find out tonight, you know, this story.
And it's really really surprising them, you know what I mean.
But they all they're like one hundre percent. You know,
they said, Chris, you've seen it. I believe you, you
know what I mean, they have no doubt about that. Yeah,
but in the area, that's what really surprised me. It's like, man,
that's what the that's what really scared me, because there's
a lot of children around that area, you know what
I mean, a big lake beach, and I'm like, man,
how could this sing with all the trail cams people
got out go unnoticed. It's impossible someone else had to
have seen this thing.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure they did. Yeah, more people than you'd
ever believe have encounters with these things, but for the
obvious reasons, they just don't normally come forward to put
it out there that they had the experience. Yeah, you know, people,
I've got no doubts that you know, people have had encounters,
but you don't know they had those encounters because they
just kept it under wraps.
Speaker 1: You know, when it comes to something like that, you know,
something weird like that could ruin reputation, make people look
at you like, you know, men, you ain't built right,
not rapture tight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it. But society is kind of warming
up to the whole sasquatch phenomenon. Maybe in time they're
going to warm up more to the whole dogma phenomenon.
It's hard to say. I guess it's kind of doubtful
when you consider how dog men are. But I guess
anything's impossible, and time will.
Speaker 1: Tell it will It would take a nice dozen roses
to make that thing warm up to you.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it would more than that. Dave's a
preacher now, But was he a preacher back when this?
Speaker 1: I take that back.
Speaker 2: He was your age, so he would have been too young.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, at the time he wasn't, you know what
I mean. But now he is, you know, he's getting
older in his days and stuff. Yeah, he did. He
had he preached to a church. You know. Dave's just
he's just a good guy. He's been a real good
friend to me. You know, I took talked him, took
him gear hund to get his first deer took a
musky fishing cars first musky. He's just he's the kind
of guy. He's type a personality you know you want
to be around him. He's a good person, just a
genuine good guy doing before you.
Speaker 2: He does sound like a great friend to have, he
really does. Having an encounter with a dog man Chris
can drive people closer to God. I'm not saying that's
what happened to Dave and that's why he's a preacher,
but do you think that might be the case.
Speaker 1: Without asking him, I really don't know, you know, it's
just conjecture. I guess I talked to him a little
bit about it. LA's last, you know, last summer or summer before,
and he's like he's he's telling his wife, who's just
got with you know about it, and he's like, I
got chick chick when you say chicken arms chickens got
the bumps on him. He was, Yeah, he was freaking
out about it, but I mean his confirmation once he
said yeah, it's just my brain said, okay, cabin's open
there at all? Is you can have it back? It
really blew my mind to how I could forget something
like that happened, like or make me forget it. I
don't know, because I really wasn't scared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the mind works in strange ways, so it's hard.
It's you really never do know how you're going to
respond to an experience, especially a traumatic one. So yeah,
how you do that's anyone's guess. From what I understand,
you didn't tell your appearents about that encounter until what
two three days ago? You told quite a few people
about having that experience, But why didn't you tell your
parents until just recently.
Speaker 1: Well about two summers ago, when I talked to my buddy.
My mom heard a little bit of the conversation, but she,
you know, she probably thought we was just talking about
something else, and she really had to pay much attention
about it. But I set her down today until you know,
I said, Mom, you know, I'm and tell you the story.
And she would she don't even question question me. She knows,
She said, Chris, if you say that and God believe
that happened, you know, And I just didn't. You know,
I don't need anybody to validate me, you know, I just,
you know, what if it makes me feel better to,
you know, have my mom's support. You know. Uh, I've
talked to a few friends. They're probably listening right now,
you know. I said, you guys might want to check
this out because I've known these guys all my life
and I just haven't talked about this, and it's probably
really surprising a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it is surprising them. Did you ever
tell your dad about what happened?
Speaker 1: Not until recently?
Speaker 2: No, how did you respond?
Speaker 1: He's just sort of, you know, didn't doubt it. You know,
my dad as a matter of fact kind of guy.
You know, he showed me everything. I know. If he's
forgotten more than I know about the woods and fishing,
he's never right encounter that's anything like that that I
know of. You know.
Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like you've got some really supporting parents.
That's great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're they're I love my mom and dad and death.
My dad's my best friend.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: My very first memory that I can remember is sitting
on a back of snowmobile and he's catching fishing. I'm
kicking him back down the whole.
Speaker 2: Huh. Yeah, that's what it's all about, those memories. It's
nothing like spending time in the woods with your dad.
So that's great. One thing I don't understand about all this,
and you never know an experience is going to affect
someone just because this person over here or most people
would respond this way or that way to an experience,
that doesn't mean that everyone is. But one thing I
don't understand. It seems to me after our first conversation
that you're pretty much totally unaffected by having that encounter.
When it comes to you going back into the woods.
You said that you hunt, you do all these things
in the woods still to this day without being compromised
one iota. How is that?
Speaker 1: Maybe it's that confidence saying that from my fifteen year
old self stole in my head. I don't know. I
just feel, you know that I'm well aware of my surroundings.
I am where I'm at right now, out out in
the you know, the Dakota's. I do a lot of
night walleye fishing. I mean by myself. I'll be out
on my long out in the middle of nowhere, you know,
and I hear things, you know, and there's montlines around.
But I just I don't let him get some you
know what I mean, Because if I'm on foot out
fishing and I d ran into that. It just hands up,
you know, what are you gonna do? So I don't
really let it. It never has bothered me, you know.
Like I said, it wasn't a negative experience. It creates
more questions than I got answers.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm so glad it hasn't kept you out of
the woods and handcuffed your ability to go out and
enjoy the woods. That's great. A lot of people know
that I go on walks in the woods, deep into
the woods and the big woods here where I live,
when I get a chance to sneak away and clear
my head. And I know what's being said about me
being crazy for going out there without anyone else with
me and unarmed. I'm not always unarmed, but most of
the time I am. And I've walked hundreds of miles
in the big woods here, and it's I mean, it's
a polity in for sasquatch and dog men. The big
woods here could hold an army of dog men, and
an army or army of dog men are a MEAs
of sasquatch and they'd be happy. Plenty of resources, water
and all that. But yeah, I know about dog men.
I know they could be there my brother and I
years ago, we were out there walking and he actually
found a sasquatch print. He called me back to it.
I could tell there was something going on. He found
something that really caught his attention, and he wanted me
to come back right now to take a look at
what he had found. So I'm thinking, okay, Well, with
him responding like this, what in the world's going on?
I get back there to where he's standing looking at
the ground, and I see this big Sasquatch print. I
know that they could very easily be out there. They
probably are out there, in fact, but I still go
for walks here. I've been walking in the woods after dark.
Could they attack me? Yeah, they sure could. But from
what I know about these guys, I know the odds
are very slight that's going to happen because as a group,
as a whole, they're not wired to attack us as
soon as the opportunity presents itself. If that was a case,
I wouldn't have spoken with thousands upon thousands of people
who are caught dead to rights by these things but
allowed to go without a scratch. So what I'm getting
at here is I'm glad that you've adopted the policy
of life goes on. You are living your life. You're
heading back into the woods. You're living your life and
doing the things that you like to do. And that's
how it should be. Now, for the eyewitnesses who are
compromised by their encounters, it's not their fault. It's not
their fault at all. Some encounters are more traumatic than others,
and naturally, if you have a really traumatic one, it's
going to be that much harder to head back into
the woods. But like I'm saying, the main point I'm
trying to make here is I'm just glad that you're
able to still go out and do the things out
there that you've always liked to do. That's my main
point there. How far, well, I'm sorry, Please continue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you know, because I love the outdoor
so much, you know what I mean. I I couldn't.
I feel like I'm bound down, you know what I mean,
till somebody saying bow down for my knees, you know,
to do that, to not go into it. It would
literally take a tank to stop me from doing that.
Speaker 2: Well, that's good. Hey, you're a young guy. You've got
a lot of life left to live. It'd be such
a shame if you couldn't go out and enjoy the
things that you've always loved to do. So, yeah, that's
music to my ears. It really is. How far did
that encounter happen from where you live? Now?
Speaker 1: Oh, let's see, I'm in South Dakota, so I think
it's about a thousand miles. Yeah, that's a that's like four.
Speaker 2: That's more than a hop, skip and a jump. It
really is. But then again, some people, for example, people
have had encounters in Maine, for example, they freaked out
from seeing the dog men. They or this person flew
home to their home somewhere in Florida. I forgot where.
They go out the back door. The next day, bam,
same dog man's there. So you never really know for
sure how far a dog man might follow you. Now,
things like that, that clearly points towards them being a
lot more than just some simple flesh and blood creature
that's out in the woods trying to scratch out a living.
But that doesn't mean that all of them are that way.
It seems like some actually might be flesh and blood,
others might have supernatural elements. I don't know if what
we're talking about here is okay, the ones over here
that seem to be limited by the same laws of
physics that all the rest of us are. Maybe they
were created in a laboratory someplace. And then the other
ones that do have all these special abilities, maybe they
are from the ether. They are supernatural, and that's how
they do these things that they do. They just defy explanation.
But yeah, I'm glad that you've got one thousand miles
between you, or approximate only a thousand miles between you
and where this happened. Although then again, it sounds like
that experience didn't really affect you, so probably doesn't matter
all that much.
Speaker 1: No, not really. You know, I wouldn't be up, you know,
if I've seen another one, hopefully it'd out of a
camera with me, you know. But uh, I just like
he was talking earlier, you know, he's using that analogy
about the horses, you know, and it makes sense, and
these these things definitely have some intelligence to him. They
have to, you know, I mean, there's some there's some
kind of comina or what are we called. Uh yeah,
I can't think of the world anyways. Us. There has
to be some kind of us in that thing. The
way it acts, it's either a conscience, something's there besides
just a dog.
Speaker 2: There might be a human element there. But I think
what's going on here is I think you're confusing the
fact that they've got such a ridiculous amount of intelligence
as them having some kind of definitive of human quality.
Maybe they do, maybe they don't. But yeah, there's no
denying that their intelligence in some ways might even supersede
our own. It's hard to say for sure about that,
but sometimes I really do wonder, I really do. Now,
let's bounce back to something you said just a few
moments ago about the horses. I'm sure a lot of
the people are wondering what you meant by that comment.
What Chris is talking about is in our conversation, first conversation,
I told them something about the danger that I think
dog men as a whole normally present to us, trying
to hammer home the fact that how dangerous they are
is normally really overrated. What I told him was over
the years, I've been doing this since two thousand and seven,
speaking with dogmen eye witnesses. I've spoken with thousands upon
thousands of dog meen eye witnesses about their experiences. Well,
the grand total, like I told him, the grand total
of credible eye witnesses who've ever told me about being
intentionally harmed by a dog man, or is in some
cases the dog men they encountered. The grand total is
seven eight maybe nine credible eye witnesses over the years
telling me about an attack. Well, if you look at
that number seven eight maybe nine compared to the pool
of I don't know, three four thousand, then yeah, seven
eight nine dogman attacks. That's not going to give you
the warm and fuzzies. But if you think about the
fact that, okay, out of three thousand, maybe four thousand people,
only seven eight maybe nine people were attacked, that right
there it says something. If you asked three four thousand
people who have had direct interactions with any of the
common animals that we interact with on a daily basis,
and don't think twice about it, Okay, how many of
you were actually intentionally harmed by any of those animals,
then you know the number of yeses would be in
the hundreds. So that right there it tells us that,
as hard as it is to believe, you're actually less
likely to be harmed by a dog man if you
have an encounter, then you are if you interact, if
you have an experience with a common animal that we
take for granted on a daily basis. That's the gist
of what he was referring to when you mentioned the
horse thing.
Speaker 1: All the perfect as all the perfect and a oh definitely.
Speaker 2: See, that's the thing that some of the eyewitnesses have
trouble with the danger these things normally pose, because yeah,
there are a dangerous dogmen out there, just like they're
a dangerous sasquatch, dangerous people, dangerous, you name the critter,
they're dangerous examples. So yeah, I'm never going to say
that there aren't dangerous dogmen, because there are, but the
averages tell us that there are very few and far between.
So that's something that we really need to make sure
sure we don't lose sight of the idea that every
dog me in is going to rip you apart as
soon as the opportunity presents itself. That right there is
why so many eyewitnesses have so much trouble coming to
terms with their experience or experiences. So that's why I
like to really focus on that. Well before we move forward,
I just want to let everyone listening know. If you
have any questions for Chris that you want me to
ask them, please be sure to type them in all
caps in the live chat. If you do that, then
I'll be happy to ask. Moving forward, when you saw
this dog men, Chris, can you remember if its ears
were up or laid back?
Speaker 1: Like I said, overman pincher, but picture the batman mask.
You know, his ears go straight up out the side
of his head straight up. Almost looks like an overman pincher,
you know what I mean. They were probably I don't know,
six seven inches long. I didn't see no tips of
for or anything. It had a pretty steady for like
the first covering goes. You know, it must not like
just like I've heard on your show. You know, must
not have that much hair. Because you could see the
muscles on his thing, I mean abs in its thighs.
It looked like a squad of.
Speaker 2: Car Yeah, that's how their muscles normally are. Sounds like
a left an impression on you. It really does. Well.
Let's get to some of these questions from the live
chat now. The first one was from Tree and Tree
wants to know what color was is here? Had to
see if.
Speaker 1: Charcoal the claws.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what she meant by that, but.
Speaker 1: Its claws were black. I mean it was night outside,
but they looked pitch black to me, you know what
I mean. Uh, it wasn't raining out, because that's what
I saw of you know, shines when you put a
light on thems wet. That's what it looked like. But
it wouldn't wet. They had a steady covering of fur,
like I said, but not too much because I almost
had the brights on, you know, I mean, but like
I said, it was right in front of us. There
was just this thing was walking. I mean, it seemed
pretty determined to be where it was going because it
didn't even pay no mind to us. You know, we
weren't no danger to it.
Speaker 2: We don't thank goodness it did that. Like I said,
it could have been a lot worse. This next one
is from average citizen forty three. They want to know
I might have missed this, but did this creature have
digitigrade or plant degrade leg structure.
Speaker 1: Like reverse? You know what I mean? Haunches watched the
movie Underworld likings in it and how their legs when
they morph. That's how it looked, all right. I don't
really know the meanings of the words you said before,
but yeah, they were like backwards like haunches. So like
I said, I couldn't see probably from the bottom of
his calf down because of grass.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, that's understandable. So it sounds like it
definitely had to Jit grade style legs.
Speaker 1: That those would be the move going back it would. Yeah,
that's what it was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how most dogmen are, so that doesn't come
as a surprise. I've got another one for you from
the Truth, and this is just a general question. Please
try to keep the questions just focused on Chris so
he can answer them instead of just asking a general question.
But I'm going to take this one here, Chris. The
answer to that is really just a guess. All we
can do is just guess on that. If you think
about how many eyewitnesses are allowed to leave the scene
of an encounter without a scratch, I think the numbers
would be pretty low probably, But again that's just a guess,
so I don't really know. Good question, all right, moving
on to the next one. This one is from Tree Again.
Tree wants to know did Chris see the color of
the dog man's hair, which you answered for us, or
if his eyes were glowing.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, that's why I never seen its eyes. I didn't.
I wish it would have looked at us, you know
what I mean, because I'm really curious. I would have been.
I would have liked weird to say this, but I
would like to see whether they were I bet they
were amber right in my mind, I picture in amber eye,
but I would like to see whether I had red
or ido. I don't know. It didn't look at us.
That's how I got such a good view of it.
It's canines, its mouth, It's muzzle was massive. It was
just so big. Yeah, No, I didn't see. I didn't
see no eyes. And the hair cover was pretty much
the same all the way over about finger lengths and
like a charcoal black.
Speaker 2: Did its first seem to be matted or pretty clean.
Speaker 1: And neat, look like you just brushed his hair for
it left the house.
Speaker 2: Well, like you just left the salon. Yeah, some look
that way. Some look nasty. So there's no rhyme nor
reason to it. Well, no more. Fun Land wants to know.
Have you had any other types of pure normal experiences
like spotting a UFO or a ghost.
Speaker 1: I will I'll take my camera because ice just smelted
on the lakes here, so I'll start doing a lot
more fishing. I will. I will send you some videos
and if you want to put them up on your website.
I will show you some pictures of the UFOs that
they're out here. I've seen some the shape of Merry
go round or like a uh, shoot the thing at
the circus. It's got all the chair that goes up
in a bit Merriwell or Ferris Will there you go,
fairs Will sorry, And it had like five different spots
on it, and I watched it get big and small,
big and small and just totally disappear. Then it came
back and changed the shape ins too, like a tube
I got. I got videos of this stuff. It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, crazy things happen like that. And thanks for offering
to send the pictures to me. But I wouldn't want
to put those up on the website. It's just strictly
a dog and a focused website. But like I said,
thanks for offering to do that. Nonetheless, I've got another
one for you from ash is Antics and they want
to know did you feel anything evil from this encounter?
Speaker 1: I really didn't I just it was so hard. I mean,
you see this thing, man, like you said, your whole life,
you know, you're taught these are fairy tales, you know,
any real things. And I've always believed that there's a
lot more to this world than what we can see.
You know, reality is just a paper thin veil that
it could be easily ripped and stepped through. And you
know it's the way I feel. And I didn't feel
no evil. I did not at all, you know what
I mean. Now, had it laid eyes on us, that
might have been a totally different story, you know what
I mean. But if we were just a tree as
far as it was concerned, that's what it's saying. It
did not pay us no mind. That's why I said,
I think I don't know I was going to eat
or if it was going to meet up with another one,
but it had to get there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't. Thank goodness, it didn't pay any mind.
I'm sure you'ds alternative. It really does. Tree wants to
know if you ever did see its teeth.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, his teeth were probably as long as my
ring finger. Huge teeth. It's his muzzle, That's what I'm saying.
It's head. Literally, you could set it inside of a
long like a like a lazy board chair. It's had
to be that big.
Speaker 2: Well, that's pretty big right there.
Speaker 1: It was big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well some of them do have big heads. That's
just how it goes. For the next question, We've got
Long Island Bigfoot. That's Mike cal Atonio. He's a great guy.
He's a dog man researcher. He's a if you haven't
checked out his chiinel on YouTube again, it's called Long
Island Bigfoot, and he spends more time out in the
bushes looking for sasquatching dogmen that you can shake a
stick at. So, yeah, whatever you find on his chain
that he puts out there, he's a real deal. I'm
sure you're gonna like it. Mike wants to know, have
you ever experienced eye glow? Self illuminated? Did not eyeshine
off the ambient light?
Speaker 1: I've been deer hunting my whole life, you know what
I mean, I've been a predator hunt. No, I didn't
see no eyes at all. No. I can pretty much
tell by what I'm looking at if it's a coon,
it's a cat, coyote, you know what I mean? A deer,
a dog. They all got different just tints to their eyes.
And you move seem enough you'll know. And but like
I said, I wish it would have looked at us
and the way it happened, I would love to through
your audience a lot more, you know what I mean.
But that's just that's all I see. Like I said,
I got mean with more questions and it than answers myself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how it normally goes, it does. This next
one is from Smooth Dave. He wants to know how
I did it have a tail? He said it didn't.
And did you see the color of its side? You
said you'd never saw its eyes because it didn't look
directly at you. No, it did not, all right, Moving
to the next one from Bang Bang. She wants to
know after it smiled that you, did you get the
sense it marked you in some way?
Speaker 1: Now she talking about that thing that's on the tree,
because the werewolf that you look at us once. Now
the thing in the tree did. And it looked like
it was up to no good, you know what I mean,
Like her grimlin like it was causing trouble, It was mischievous.
It was that kind of grim.
Speaker 2: Really, it makes you wonder what the heck that thing was.
Speaker 1: I have no idea, man, I'll tell you what that
that that right there is that's got to be otherworldly
or other dimensional has to be. I I just don't
even because I don't know anything on this planet besides
the opinion or octopus that can change the shape of
its skin and color.
Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever that thing was sounds like it's too freaky
to have anue business coming down out of that tree.
He just needs to keep its freaky butt up in
that tree. That's not good, not good at all. It
looks like ashes antics wants to know. What's the movie
were a wolf? That most looks like the one that
you had in your encounter, you said?
Speaker 1: One guy said it earlier with q U Jackman in it,
and what's the name? But I can't think of it?
Speaker 2: Van helsing, There you go.
Speaker 1: That's it to a t, I mean, to the dot,
that's what I saw, made a little bit. It's a
little darker now because that one was a little gray.
Speaker 2: Now that we're talking about movie were wolves, what do
you think is the best were wolf movie of all time?
Speaker 1: Hmm. I don't really fall off into sci fi movies. To,
I would say.
Speaker 2: Underworld, Underworld, Yeah, that's a good movie. That is a
good movie. Have you ever seen Bad Moon? Though?
Speaker 1: No, I really don't watch a kind of movies. I
don't know. I don't watch horror movies and stuff like that,
or you know, I try I try to, you know,
I'm really interested in the past, you know what I mean,
like Machi Peach you you know a lot of stuff
like that. I love that Moone channel and do this
kind of stuff. It'll be awesome, you know. I got
so much knowledge about this stuff.
Speaker 2: But yeah, well those movies aren't for everyone. So no harm,
no foul on that, no problem. Looks like Elsie and Tariga. Hey, Al,
he's another very well tenured researcher who's always out there
beating the bushes looking for sasquatch and dog men. Al
wants to know. Did the dog man screamer?
Speaker 1: Hell No, it didn't it. I mean I didn't make
a peep. It just was walking walking, that was all
it would do. But we didn't. I mean, I imagine
if I used to seeing headlights, but you know it's
a dog man. I was like, well, so what at
your headlights? You know? I mean, I'll take you out
of picture if I want to, which you could have?
You know, I thought that way, but no, no, we
are Yeah they didn't.
Speaker 2: Bad answer is that. The next one is from Angel Weeke,
and Angel wants to know, Chris, did the dog man
have a bad smell?
Speaker 1: I could not smell it. I was in the car.
We had the windows up. Yeah, I'm glad I didn't
smell it, actually, because that would be just a little
too close for me. So no, I did not smell it.
Speaker 2: Too close for comfort, no doubt. Christian wants to know
if the dog man noticed you, do you think it
would have been aggressive or pursued towards you.
Speaker 1: I really don't know what to say that, you know,
I don't know. Fifty to fifty maybe maybe not, you know,
maybe I don't know. It doesn't sound like a car
and intimidates him at all, So you know, That's why
I'm saying it. It seemed like it needed to go
where it was going, because it I would have thought
it stopped and looked at us. I mean, I had
right in my headlights slowly turned left at this te
you know what I mean, until I decided, you know,
we were just about straight onto the road I was
turning on and this thing was gonna be crossing the
road and I just gun ives out of there. So
no it didn't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness for that. The next one is from
Tony Jones and Tony wants to know do you think
having one sighting makes it more likely that a person
will have additional ones?
Speaker 1: I would like to have another siding. I actually would,
you know, maybe it'd answer a few questions as long
as it was a good sighting, you know, I'm I'm
all up for that. But what's the chances of that happened?
Speaker 2: And I don't know, Well, you never know. It's hard
to say. The next one is from Smooth Dave and
Dave wants to know, did you get an estimation of
how old it could be?
Speaker 1: I don't even really know how you go about telling that.
Maybe look at its teeth, like how they do deer?
How what war down they are? Noo, they might live
for two hundred you know, that's a really hard question
to ask. It's a good question, but I don't know.
I'd say he looked like maybe I's twenty eight year old.
Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah it could have been. Yeah, it's
really hard to age these things. There's so many things
we don't know about them. We don't know nearly enough
about them to be able to come close to effectively
and accurately aging them. So that's anyone's guest. Like you said,
Tree wants to know Chris has a great open mind
about nature in this world. Has Chris had any other
cryptid encounters?
Speaker 1: No, I have not. I haven't. No, seen a lot
of UFOs. I went out and lived in Arizona one
summer up in the mountains, help my buddy build a
log cabin, and I just seen a lot of UFOs there.
It was between kingmen and flag staff, and I did
feel weird being up there. I'll tell you that I
had weird feeling all the time. But no, no, I
really haven't had any other experiences.
Speaker 2: Thanking this for that. Looks like Christiane wants to know.
Did you see tracks?
Speaker 1: I didn't, And I'm really I'm sitting here right now
kicking myself in the butt. Or I should have went
back and got tracks and pictures, but you know, I
was just so I didn't want to be in an
area I wanted to go. I just want to say, hey,
you guys are something around here. I'm going home.
Speaker 2: Should it could have?
Speaker 1: Would have?
Speaker 2: You know what they say? Bang Bang wants to know, Chris,
I'm from the fort. Do you think there is some here?
Do you think there are some here twenty minutes from you?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like we would you say somebody I'll be
in earlier. That's right in between Warsaw and Fort Wayne.
There could definitely be one of Fort Wayne, definitely. You know,
there's plenty of good woods around Fort Wayne. It's a
big city. One could go around there. I noticed big
time because no hunters are in the woods. Man. You
could have anything on its plate to eat, you know, pets, cows,
or swarms all around. You know, that's a really good
place between Columbia City and for Wayne to see what
I would think Lagrange County.
Speaker 2: Is there much in the way of moving water around there?
Speaker 1: There's plenty of water, it's I mean, I can tell
you how many lakes are right in that area. There's
a state park right there. I mean water for days. Deer,
I mean there's a deer in every bush. So unlimited food.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what more can one of these things ask for?
That makes them pretty darn happy. Average citizen forty three
wants to know what is Chris think dogman are genetic,
hybrid lab created demonic entities, et cetera.
Speaker 1: You know, that's a million dollar question right there. That's
the one that's what I want to know. I think
I asked you that earlier today. What you thought about
it too, So it's up in the air. They look
pretty natural, but that again, they're very unnatural.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really hard to put a finger on what
these guys are. Like I said earlier, maybe some of
them are naturally well, I guess if they're made in
the laboratory. I take that back. They're not a natural creature.
They're test tube creatures. But maybe some don't have any
special abilities, any more abilities than any other animal. And
maybe there's another group of them that does. It's just
really hard to know, and it's so hard to say.
This next question is from a Scent of Phoenix, and
they want to know, Chris, did you ever encounter a sasquatch?
If so, how would you compare it to a dog
man in terms of size?
Speaker 1: I mean the young I mean when I go to
your own and I go into the woods at four
in the morning, you know what I mean, And sometimes
I stay in so dark, and then I gotta walk out.
I've never seen anything remotely close to a sasquatch. I've
never heard one. I'm really interested in them, you know
what I mean. I think that'd be a cool thing
to see. I haven't seen no other dog man, you know,
I actually want to see. I guess like, as long
as I'm in a safe I feel safe and I
am safe. I would like to see another one, but
not in the woods.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know. Spend as much time in the
woods as you still do. You just might see one there.
I guess time I will tell on that. This next
question is from Thomas Crowley, and Thomas wants to know
do you live near a military base.
Speaker 1: Now or then? Right now? I ain't too familiar to
this area. I know Montana and Wyoming got the you know,
the blisting missiles and stuff over there. There's bases there.
There's another Air Force base down by the reservation, but
we're Sturgis is that? But up here there's just a
National Guard in Indiana. No, there wasn't one around.
Speaker 2: That answers that got another one for you from Slim.
Slim wants to know. I'm a late comer, but can
Chris elaborate on the creature in that tree.
Speaker 1: That really, uh, that scared me. Scared the Yeah, I'd
go go inside and changing with drawers on. And I mean,
I don't know what that was. I I couldn't even
begin to guess what it was. Uh, I don't know,
you know what I mean, I I really don't. It's
that that does scare me. That because this thing looked
like it was up to no good. And the way
it smiled at us, like hey, I see you guys. Yeah,
it gave off a bad presence bad And you know,
I mean my brother, my brother, my little middle brother,
Russell was with me, all my friends know you know
what I mean, if there's ever a problem or when
he's younger, a fight, he was the first one head
on into He getn't scared of nothing, and he was scared.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I can understand why. That's pretty freaky. Like
I said, I've got another question for you from tree
that kind of touches on the same thing that creature
up in the tree. Part of this you already answered.
She wants to know can Chris try to describe his
feelings or thoughts on the creature in the tree a
bit more? Is there a creature that he can compare it.
Speaker 1: To m not really compare it to Uh, curious, that's
what comes to mind. It seems curious. It was like
he was out exploring.
Speaker 2: I probably shouldn't bring this up, but it really makes
you wonder how many times you've been in the woods,
spending as much time in the woods as you have,
how many times one of these things, the freaky thing
up in the tree has been watching you, monitoring you.
Speaker 1: You know, how how many times has one of those
things I ever been watching any of us? We would
never really know, you.
Speaker 2: Know, that's true. But the good takeaway from that is
you're still here. You haven't been attacked by anything like that.
So I'm sure whatever it was had every opportunity to
harm you, not just that time, but if it had
seen you in the forest before or after that time,
it could have come after you then. But it didn't.
So that's really something important to not lose sight of.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. No, yeah, we we didn't go back into the
swamp for acting rand. We stayed out of there. No,
we didn't. We didn't. We didn't really want to know
what that thing was and we didn't want to find out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't say I'll blame you at all there
at all. This next one is from Miguel Floriano, and
Miguel wants to know, did you get a precursor that
you felt that something was wrong before the sighting.
Speaker 1: Of the truth of the Goblin or the dog? No? No, no,
I mean I was expecting to see, you know, maybe
deer standing out there, a coyote, because I blow and
coyote called back a couple of ways, a couple of ways.
You know, we just all mess around so can get
something riled up. And no, no, it's just like I'm
you know, it was pretty dark out you know, that's
why there was no snow on the ground. If the
snow on the ground, I would seen this thing long
before we came up to this, you know what I mean,
because when there's a moon in snow out there, it's
just like daylight outside. And this thing, though, I mean,
it was there the whole time on was making his turn,
and it was right for news. It's pitch black though,
you know so. But once my headlights hit it, no,
that was it right there. I mean I followed it's
every step until I felt it was getting too close
to the road. And that's when I left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, don't blame me for getting out of there. I don't.
This next question is from Long Island Bigfoot from Mike.
Mike wants to know how far from civilization were you?
Just a curious just a curious question. No need to
be specific with location, thank you.
Speaker 1: Two miles, three miles, and then you start hitting out
out like the little suburbs of outside of Warsaw. I'm
menacing one and ten minutes from someone's backyard.
Speaker 2: Easy, Ye know, that's pretty close in although I guess
two miles that's kind of about there. But it's not
exactly like the moon Dogs or anything like that.
Speaker 1: No, it's definitely uh it was you know the way there,
it was a big field, uh like the CRP for
the farmers get paid by the government, you know, to
grow this stuff, and uh just just for the animals.
But uh, I just I you know, I wracked my
brain thinking, man, okay, because I've deer hunted down there,
and it's just there's a whole lot of places even
for deer to hide, And I'm like, what is this thing? Why?
Like I want to put a collar on it, follow it,
you know, like I want to know how this thing
is able to hide, you know, just a digg I'm back,
probably good dig a hole. I mean, I don't know
why couldn't.
Speaker 2: Well something to remember, people aren't looking for these things.
Most people aren't, that is when they head into the woods.
So if they're not looking for these things, that just
makes it that much easier for them to remain undetected.
So that's a pretty good explanation for why they aren't
seen more often than they already are.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, like I was saying, you know, I don't
know how many times you know, dear Rob was walking
in the woods, and I mean I walked right past
the year just because it stood still. You'd be surprised.
There's nothing moves. You could just walk right by it.
Speaker 2: Oh, sure, yeah, they do it all the time. It
looks like Christiane wants to know how tall it was. Well,
Chris said that it was about eight feet tall, maybe
here over eight. But she also wants to know if
there are any sightings from men in black afterwards that
you've experienced.
Speaker 1: It was a healthy eight feet, if not bigger, you
know what I mean. I wish it wasn't around trees,
you know, I couldn't like have nothing compared to It's
just out and open. So no, I've never seen men
in black, nothing like that. But you know what I mean,
we didn't report it. We didn't talk about it though either. Now.
I tried calling the law enforcement agencies just to say hey, man,
to seeing you know, I didn't if a child would
have got hurt and I didn't call, sobody, try to
want somebody. My conscience would have never, would have never
let me forgive myself. So I felt like I had
to do something.
Speaker 2: Well, that's admirable that you reported it for that reason,
it really is. The next one is from Kimberly Morgan,
and Kim wants to know. Did the thing in the
tree have a coned head and really long.
Speaker 1: Arms, longer skinny arms. Yeah, its heads woul seem pretty round.
It had like little ears, you know, inside of its head.
I can't remember the nose really. The smile was so mischievous,
you know what I mean, like it knew it was.
It was like it was trying. It was playing with
us almost, you know, if it wouldn't have smiled the
way of Blinn. That's what really got me. It stuck
its head out, looked at us and I seen it
as it came out. It's taken on the color and
texture of this tree, and I'm like, I'm looking. I'm like, man,
and we had a we had a real big high
power spotlight with us too, and he's looking at it
and I'm watching it, literally watching skin like take on
the shape of bark and green and brown. And then
his eyes were like the colored dogging eyes I heard
on your show. They were amber, but they were like
rattlesnake eyes. It slits went up and down, and it
smiled and blinked at us and maybe us running scared,
but I heard it. She must have claws because I
heard down the tree and you shot off in the
swamp fast, real fast.
Speaker 2: You're doing just fine until you mentioned the fact that
that freaky thing had elliptical pupils like a rattlesnake.
Speaker 1: That is freaking Absolutely did, dude, it did. It blinked,
the size of smile and its teeth. I mean it
look like someone took a file. I know that I've
seen tribes on TV where they filed their teeth. It's
a tradition. Well, this seems it probably grew that way.
But it had a mouthful of cutters.
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, Like I said that freaky things just best
for it to stay up in that tree and not
come down to the ground. That's not good at all.
No more. Fundland wants to know if you saw another
dog man when you try to get closer or communicate
in some.
Speaker 1: Way, I would definitely get the best look I could.
You know what I mean as the situation. You know,
I'm no dummy. I'm not gonna put myself on a corner. Yeah, definitely,
though I would, you know, because I have no reason
to hear these things. They ain't hurt me. Like you said,
you know, it could very easily hurt us. I know
it could, have no doubt in my mind, you know.
But I guess as long as I until I feel
a presence, you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna try to,
you know, give you or me or my family or
whoever wants to know an answer if I can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you never know. You just might have another encounter
someday and have a chance to gather more information. It's
really hard to say. The next one here is from
Carlito's Way ninety three CC, and you answered this for
us already. He wants to know what color eyes did
it have And yeah, Carlito, it never looked at him,
so he doesn't know. But moving to the next question
in the last one of the night from the live chat,
Tree wants to know, or it's a comment, maybe the
dog man was hunting that thing in the tree. I
guess she's asking she wants to know if you think
that that dog man might have been hunting the thing
of the tree, but he laid it out that encounter,
that experience with that creature in the tree that happened
when Chris was fifteen, at a different time than when
he and Dave had this dog man encounter.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely correct, know what I mean? It was years earlier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, separated quite a bit of time. And then also
to close out her question or comment, she says, Vic
had an episode where a dog mean pointed. It's something
like that, remember and the idead have an episode like that. Well,
this last question for you is oh, okay, I guess
that was the last question from the life chat. Well,
before we get out of here, Chris, do you have
any closing comments you'd like to put out there for us?
Speaker 1: I just want to tell everybody, you know, keep an
open mind, keep yourself safe, you know, come across one
of these things, don't automatically think it's gonna, you know,
tear you apart and rip you up, you know, because
I'm sure these things can sense fear, you know so,
But then again, how can you not be scared of
something like that? I would say, just try to be
to keep cool, you know what I mean. If you
got children, get them away from it and keep just
keep it safe. This since.
Speaker 2: That's all good advice, really good advice. Well, Chris, I
can't thank you enough for coming on sharing the details
of that experience with us. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Vic. I can't tell you how much it means to me,
you know that I can get this out there. I'm
elated and I got much gratitude. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Oh you know you're welcome. And if down the road
you do start to have trouble dealing with that experience,
then please let me know I'll be there for you.
Speaker 1: Yep, absolutely absolutely good man.
Speaker 2: Well, having said that, thanks against so much for your time,
and have a great night.
Speaker 1: Hey, thank you, Vic, you have a nice night too.
Speaker 2: Thanks. We'll see no bye, all right, that'll do it
for another episode of the show. Thanks against so much
everyone for listening. You know, I really appreciate that. And
if you have had a dog in the counter of
your own and either need help with it or it
would like to be a guest on the show, all
you would need to do is to go to Dogman
Encounters dot com and submit a report. If you do
that then of course I'll reach out to you and
schedule a film consultation. Then that way we can take
it from there. But having said that, like I said,
thanks again so much for listening, and have a great night.