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Speaker 2: Hello friends, and welcome back to the rabbit Hole. I'm
your host Danny, and today we have the pleasure of
having Austin Wade Pickered on the podcast. He is the
host of The Underclass podcast, which is a fantastic conspiracy
podcast if you're looking for a new one. I also
thank you so much for coming on the rabbit Hole.
I am so excited to have this conversation about Columbine
listening to your episode. Actually, I know we were going
to talk about like the Aurora shooting as well, but
I don't know if we're going to have time.
Speaker 3: That is the nature of most of my solo projects, honestly,
it feels like I don't know at a certain point.
By the end of it, I could basically spend six
hours straight talking about almost every one of these subjects.
And I appreciate that, I guess, but at the same
time it feels very overwhelming. I have to take a
little time to decompress, and yeah, remind myself just again
this is it kind of bogs you down and has
an overall toll emotionally on even I feel like I've
said it before, but your soul's in jeopardy at a
certain point. The level of demoralization attached to the descriptive
details in these cases, and especially things like child abuse
or I focus a lot on mass shootings too, and
the serial killers. I'm basically just trying to poke holes
in the official narrative that feel very much like a
manufactured cover up to facilitate a false paradigm effectively in
terms of the political power paradigm in general. And so
I spent a lot of my time reflecting on how
much I guess the reason I started all of this
is because I felt so disillusioned just by the political
process in general, and also I basically became philosophically opposed
to the state in almost every way principally, and so
it led me down various different rabbit holes in terms
of even the foundation and the cartoonish origin story of
that of the foundation of America in general, I think
we've really been led by the nose into, you know,
picking off this low hanging fruit and misinterpreting just the
overall structure of society, and therefore we never can focus
or identify and acknowledge properly, you know, the root cause
and the true crux of our issues. So that honestly,
I'm just witnessing this level of psychological warfare that I
never thought could have been sophisticated and effectively, you know,
evolved to such just a vital and useful factor in
terms of the disruption and really the destabilization and disruption
of modern society. And that falls perfectly into the playbook
of modern Gladiol in the Strategy of Tension, and so
I always referenced that specifically because I feel like so
much of these major high impact events and let's just say,
emotion arousing violent false flags, as we were just discussing privately, Yes,
it's hard not to at the very least kind of
that becomes your starting point in a way, after you've
been overexposed to so many of the plausible alternative narratives
to these major impactful events. And so it led me
down the path of and I had when I was
investigating the omar Matine network and the Pulse night club shooting,
I discovered that Michael Akino, who's a prolific predator and
lieutenant colonel of military intelligence and psychological Warfare operative right
very key in terms of being a prominent figure. And
I believe he ran and even potentially set up the
domestic monarch mind control program effectively, uh, you know, uh,
stabling these and these young children who who obviously fit
up a specific character profile or are just undocumented children
they have easy access to or also fit the profile
of not having the parental guardians in place or or
the proper structure at home. So uh, they obviously are
a little bit more vulnerable in terms of being priority targets.
But yeah, it was from SIOP to mind war. The
Psychology of Victory is the name of the book that
was co authored by Michael Lokino and Paul E. Vali
and and Paul V. Laley. Happens to have been involved
at obviously the JFK WARP special you know, special Warfare
Center at Fort Bragg, and which I believe was tied
to directly into the nine to eleven attacks and even
the lead up to nine to eleven, which was the
original I believe it was was when al Qaeda was
first essentially given the priority spotlight at least one of
the original terrorist attacks that obviously was was. It was
very interesting because it was the exact same network fundamentally
whenever you reveal the individual perpetrators that would effectively be
tied back in, with Abu Taba being one of the
individual perpetrators who effectively was an FBI informant and worked
for the CIA, but allegedly had a falling out and
turns out he was tasked with creating an Islamic radicalization
seminary pipeline online digitally that they could then obviously attempt
to gain easy access to to obvious UH vulnerable individuals
with psychological disorders, even which Homer Mautine fit much more
of the bill of like a James Holmes or an
Adam Lanza who has strange parents with military intelligence backgrounds
and and things of that nature. So it all seems
to effectively overlap the end of the day in terms
of the playbook and the pattern recognition.
Speaker 2: Right that you bring up Fort Bragg because was it
last year, two years ago when there was the New
Year's Day like attacks, and both the guys from New
Orleans and from Las Vegas they were both tied back
to Port Bragg. And then uh, why am I blinking
on his name right now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, McVay exactly.
Speaker 2: Tied back to Fort Bragg as well.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. And you see that strange picture from the
new latest document dump and Epstein Files photo dump or
whatever you want to call it, the false transparency, I
guess we get a we get a brief. I think
it was a photo of the dental chair. Uh, this
strange room in Epstein's, one of Epstein's properties, and there
are all these very interesting mass on the walls right
that that reminded me of the Eyes White Shop party clearly,
and in uh, in Stanley Kubrick's film, it's hard not
to see similar just similarities there. And and then also
I think of the Finder's Cult because basically, no, it's
it really is I think the best example and and
really the it was the case that sent me reeling
into this just finally acknowledging that there is a very
well entrenched and well established pedophile underworld, unfortunately propped up
by the intelligence apparatus, and I think not understanding that
the black market is so valuable in terms of lining
the pockets of the black budget operations and beyond that.
Clearly it's major money laundering is one component. But if
you're just considering the enterprise as a whole, I mean,
this is honestly, it turns into an umbrella enterprise that
effectively involves mind control. You know, mass shootings, MK, ultra
drug running. You know, you have the human trafficking pedophilia
aspect of it, and then obviously you have child pornography
that is you usually utilized in this context as well.
But this is all targeted assassinations, black mail, human compromise,
satanic ritual abuse, Like every single aspect of it seems
to at least expose itself or become overwhelmingly revealed and
exposed throughout the context of this Minister details. Whenever you
look into the witness accounts or the court testimony and
or court documents that never seemed to gain the proper
spotlight in the mainstream media or or ever be you know,
properly introduced or even promoted whatsoever, for just the general
public to gain some sort of legitimate understanding, uh and
be able to rely upon their critical thinking skills which
obviously have been conditioned out of them. And another reason
why not only I mean, I think I wrote, yeah,
I wrote this down whenever I was covering the whenever
I was covering Columbine, because this is the first thought
that I had was public school is the equivalent of
voluntarily placing your child in state custody. Right, And that's
just my personal opinion I had. I had a very
I'm very blessed, I would say, just because I feel
like I had a great instincts, you know. And and
in terms of rejecting authority from a very early age,
I think that that led me down some very difficult
paths in terms of my early life. But at the
end of the day, I very much appreciate just that
that yeah, strange inherent objection that I had, and because
it did ultimately lead me to this point. And and
so I didn't have the best or easiest time, I
would say, and going through public school, and and I
seem to buck the trend or the system in general.
And and uh yeah, I'm very grateful for that specifically,
and I thank my parents for that as well, because
as as I think their intentions were always beautiful, because
they were great people ethically, but the naivete is there,
and and that's just a product of propaganda and and
ideal logical subversion in the two party paradigm that really
leaks into every aspect of your ability to conceptualize or
or have a philosophical perspective worthwhile on any given subject.
So it's it's interesting to see. And that's why I
try and engage intent more than anything right in terms
of engaging the character of an individual, and if they
mean well and have just been deceived overwhelmingly to embracing
these bad ideas and typically falling into the trap of
defending against anyone who criticizes these political puppets who clearly
do not have their best interest at heart, and they
will even they will even destroy relationships within the family
unit and the family dynamic in order to run that
strain psychological defense mechanism that they cannot seem to reject.
But yeah, they're trying to.
Speaker 2: I think they're trying to destroy the nuclear family. Like
that's the point, absolutely. And what's interesting is like when
we were going to school, public school was like it
seemed like the only option or private school, but like
homeschooling wasn't even really like an option. People thought it
was weird. Now thank God for COVID, Like so many
people have turned to homeschooling, that it's like this whole
movement and people are waking up to like how corrupt
the public school system is and how it is really
just like them and doctrin any of your kids, and
also the government taking custody exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And and so I like to always kind of
at least reference the Phoenix program and Michael Aquino's concept
of the mind war, as far as the psyop doctrine
that they wanted to manifest and implement upon the general public,
as far as just the consequential nature of these events
and how they're leveraged against us. So I think they
spent so much time and so many significant resources in
terms of studying mind control for generations. At this point,
and and following the Church Committee hearings, everybody feigns this
false sense of accountability, as if we were offered a
true window of transparency into the actual behavioral modification. It's
just laughable. It really is. At face value, you should
be able to easily dismiss that. And and but as
I said before, it takes the overexposure for for you
to even begin to redefine your your perspective in a way,
you know. And and yeah, so it's it's interesting to
just see the level of influence that it still has
this very day. And and I believe that Frank Church
during the Church Committee hearings was actually blackmailed through an
operation set up by Alan Doles And there's a legitimately
documented Man, Yeah, there was a sinister subproject. Because obviously
there's at least one hundred and forty nine subprojects of
m culture that we're aware of. And beyond the thousands
of incriminating documents destroyed by Richard Helms, who was the
director of the CIA at that time, and he was
tasked with that exact right terms of yeah, yeah, destroy
all the most incriminating documents that would effectively expose our methods.
That's how I view it. And and I think the
first order of business would have been to destroy all
of the sexual blackmail files or at least the you know,
strategic methods that you've utilized throughout these these operations and
evolving the techniques.
Speaker 2: I don't think they destroyed them.
Speaker 3: I don't either well sphysically displaced them. Yeah, now you're
probably right, You're probably right there rid.
Speaker 2: Of such valuable information, like all these people know, you're
not getting rid.
Speaker 3: Of that exactly. Yeah. I think more of what I
was kind of imp the alluding to was was basically
that from for public knowledge purposes, obviously you would want
to find a way to cover your tracks so effectively
you would try and remove all of those documents from
ever being a part of the document dumps and revealed
later on through the hearings. And uh, and so yeah,
I would imagine they're probably in some underground, subterranean bunker
at Alan Doles's property or something.
Speaker 2: But that guy is such a creep. I have not
done an episode on him, but like, I keep finding things,
like I keep leading back to Alan Dos and I'm like, man, this.
Speaker 3: Guy, it's fascinating, it really is. And and uh, what's
what's crazy is is that this came through two victims,
specifically who went on the record in the nineteen fifties
and this was through the Artochoke documents that we actually
found some evidence. But there was a sinister subproject allegedly
that was basically created under Alan Doles, and what he
was attempting to do is essentially he was trying to
utilize a human honeypot operation, but utilizing child prostitutes obviously.
So this is what made it unprecedented allegedly is that
that systematically they had not yet attempted to basically promote
this within in terms of internally within the agency itself
as an effective and plausible rights operational solution of some
kind that we could activate at any given moment considering
the circumstances. And so yeah, just really realizing that one
of the individuals was named Claudia Mullin I believe was
her name, and the the I think the other girl
her name was Carol Ruts I think, And and so yeah,
I'm almost positive those are the two girls. I know
Claudia Mullin for sure, but I think it's Carol Ruts
is the other girl's name, because the CIA had allegedly
arranged for Carol Uh to be This is so strange
because it was they were effectively blackmailing her grandfather who
basically was a producer of child pornography at the time,
along with one of her uncles apparently, And so this
reminds me every time of the pathe O'Brien's story, which
the case where she she claimed that her her father
was a pedophile and basically was was promoting and producing
child pornography and was then brought up well, he was
basically brought into custody through that process and while he
was being interrogated, they gave him an offer he could
not refuse, basically, And so this is what I think of,
right in terms of a possibility of what happened to
Carol Ruts's grandfather and uncle who were obviously involved in
this enterprise. And so what Kathie O'Brien claimed was that
her father was then obviously accepted the offer, so therefore
he wouldn't endure any criminal charges of any kind. He
would basically be let go free as long as he
would remain an asset. In terms of this sadistic sentence,
their operation being conducted domestically within the US, which obviously
it's it's extraordinarily naive to even mention this, but at
the same time, it's like this is this is entirely
in opposition to the charter, the very CIA's charter in
terms of running domestic operations within the US. No, it's
supposed to be illegal.
Speaker 2: It is illegal, Like they can't do it. But yeah,
every single time not every single time, but a lot
of the times that I'm finding things about the CIA,
I'm like, this is on American soil. Like this operation
that I'm reporting on right now happened here, Like this
is not c I A territory I just covered. I
just I just finished Project Stargate, Oh gosh, and so
like you know, like this was happening here, the CIA
is running it. Well, they covered it. They covered it
by saying it was a d D Yeah, d I
A instead of the c I A.
Speaker 3: But that's it. So they utilize the right exactly, or
Office Naval Intelligence occasionally as well throughout the history. Yeah,
it's hilarious, but it feels like a very convenient, uh
strategy of providing themselves with plausible deniability, right, and so
I think that's exactly what I forget the professor's name
from UC Berkeley, who sent a letter basically to the
Congressman Leo Ryan's aide who was murdered in a poor
Cayuma airstrip in an assassination when he was luered down
to Guyana and the remote jungles to the People's Temple
agricultural project that was Jonestown exactly. And and it turns
out there's there's an essay basically that this professor had
authored called the Penal Colony, and he claims that mk
Ultra during the Church Committee hearings, just like many of
the CIA's covert Clindestine operations of this kind, were strategically
driven underground into various cult organizations for purposes of plausible deniability,
so they could still conduct this operation, uh with with
no real oversight. And so it just, uh it goes
to show that I think there's there's no way around
the notion that that this has been a strategic way
of attempting to uh you save face as the agency
is concerned, but but also continue on this very path
of controlling the outcome in every way in terms of
modern society. So yeah, but and as far as the
uh Carol Rutts, I think it is interesting because her
grandfather was apparently paid this major sum of money. Oh
and and just to finish the Kathy O'Brien point. So
her father, right, he accepts this offer, and then he
essentially is is given some some kind of uh training
with the Catholic clergy in Boston, Massachusetts, and and also
some yeah exactly, and also some individuals with ties to
military intelligence. And so then he goes back home and
he implements these techniques on his five year old daughter, right,
and what does he do. He rapes her at five
years old, wearing a mask. And what she claimed was
this was a viable way to implement his sociative identity
disorder within a child victim. Prepubescent is the age range
they always tend to target in order because apparently they're
far more susceptible to the method of apparently the subconscious
pathways being splintered into these altered personalities. This is far
more effective in the pre pubescent age range, apparently triggering
the flight or fight response within the victim throughout the
traumatic abuse. It's terrible stuff, and honestly, I feel like,
you know, I have some some kind of just I
feel like I have the need to understand the legitimate
use of these techniques, if only to properly manufacture the
defense mechanism in order to realize the formidable threat we
do face in a way, and I think only through
that can you at least attempt to, at to the
best of your ability, you know, defend against this extraordinary
threat and live accordingly basically, right, and I structure your
life in that way. And and so that's the main
reason I think I've overexposed myself to a lot of this,
because otherwise there have been moments, I mean, even in
the De Trol specifically in the De Troth episode that
I did I can't remember now what the beast of
Belgium I think is what I called it. And yeah,
just reading through the X Dossier, like what happened to
Regina Love, like the I've never in my life read
something where I legitimately I had to stop, you know,
and just in that moment and basically curse at the computer,
you know, from what I knew I was about to read, right,
which so dark. Yeah, I'm talking beastiality things that it's
just it's the worst of the worst. You couldn't even
conceptualize it in the darkest fantasy. And until you legitimately
read through what potentially and I believe legitimately did happen
to these girls? And man, it leaves you with this
overwhelming sense of we have a legitimate role to play
in terms of exposing some of the darkest and depraved,
right just perpetrators and pedophiles in all of modern society.
And I think through doing so, you can at the
very least look yourself in the mirror and realize that
when you came face to face with that darkness, you
didn't bury your head back in the sand. Because it
does feel like ignorance is bliss at a certain point
when it comes to this, And it's a lot easier
to just run away kicking and screaming due to the
emotional effect. But at the end of the day, I
try and excuse it due to the level of abuse
and trauma the victims themselves endure. And who am I
to act as if I am? So I have such
a delicate sensibility that I can't even you know, expose
myself to that level of abuse that they actually physically endured,
you know. And so anyway, that's that's just the way
that I look at it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll cover something and then I'm like, wow, I
need a break, because like, like that was a lot,
and so then I'll do like other conspiracies that have
nothing to do with like chot, like children and all
the pedophile stuff, and I'm like, I need a break,
but then I'll do it again because there's just so
many and there's just so much and it all has
to be exposed. And like, unfortunately, I've found like right now,
I have a bunch of information and I don't have
like a way or like an episode necessarily to consolidate
it into two put it out there. And so I'm
like just sitting on this like waiting to figure out
how to use it. I don't know, but I go,
I do it a ways because I can't if I
do it, if I do too much, then like I'll
lose myself a.
Speaker 3: Little bit exactly, I know. Yeah, man, And that was
the reason that I decided to pivot to Columbine. I thought, well,
it'll be easier. There won't be any pedophilia involved here.
Little did I know, you know, it's like, my god,
there might have been a child sex ring operating in
the area at the time that was connected to the
Trench Cope mafia. So just but yeah, anyway, I might
as well finish this last point on Carol Rutz, because
it does at least kind of help provide again a
very detailed, just opportunistic window into how these individuals utilize
this strategy, you know, and again human honeypots utilizing child
prostitutes as early as the late nineteen forties, which that
makes a lot of sense of just understanding the level
of what was learned from Nazi Germany in terms of
mind control. And also I think that's really the origin
story of how Monarch was invented, Monarch mind control and
the Monarch Boys that it's very interesting, but it does
seem like it came from Nazi Germany in a certain way.
And basically the timing of this makes a lot of sense.
We're talking Nazi breeding experiments, and I find it fascinating.
This is something that I found from David Livingstone. I
think it's a it's a pseudonym, but he has a
website called Order. It's basically Latin for Order out of Chaos, right,
So it's very occult themed, but it seems to be
always exposing be a cult within the context of these
criminal cases and things of that nature. And he has
an entire investigative article about Discordianism, right, and Carry Thornley.
And this is interesting because Carry Thornley was allegedly an
impersonator of Oswald in Louisiana during leading up to the
JFK assassination. And this is according to Jim Garrison, who's
investigating the case obviously at the time. And yeah, he
claims that he was a product of a Nazi breeding
experiment with apparently Lee Harvey Oswald, right, And whenever you
it honestly does. And it's hard not to take it
seriously in a way, right, especially after you kind of
look at this picture that I discovered when I was
actually reading through it. It's fascinating. So Thornley, he was
apparently told that his brother was Lee Harvey Oswald and
that their father was Admiral Carl Donnets. Okay, he's a
Nazi admiral who briefly succeeded Hitler in nineteen forty five.
So Thornley became convinced that he and Lee Harvey Oswald
were products of MK ultra to create a quote Manchurian candidate,
and that one of his handlers, two mysterious middle aged
men named Gary Kerstein and Slim Brooks. He Thorny later
even claimed to believe that Kirstein had in reality been
senior CIA officer in future Watergate burglar E Howard Hunt. Okay,
so just understanding that E. Howard Hunt was working for
the Mullening Company at that time, which was a CIA
cut out for plausible deniability for the third retirement from
the agency, Hilarius, Right, and following the jfk assassination, when
he had no alibi for where he was at, because
clearly he was in Dallas that day and everyone who
was effectively a part of it seems to implicate him
as running point, as being the point man on the
ground in Dallas.
Speaker 2: And.
Speaker 3: Right, and he actually used his family as an alibi,
and his wife was a long standing member of Dorothy
Hunt was a member of military intelligence as well, and
had even become a pay mistress during the Watergate scandal,
and was effectively, uh yeah, basically trying to get really
trying to squeeze as much money out of the Nixon
administration at the time as possible. It was very interesting, yeah, exactly.
And and what does he Howard Hunt do right after Dallas?
He goes home and he visits a plastic surgeon and
he gets his ears pinned back because he allegedly had
very identifiable ears that were unique and and so he yeah,
he thought he would be identified by some of the
witnesses on the ground that day, who most of which
met a very untimely demised following the day. Yeah, and uh,
and so he was concerned specifically, I think one of
the one woman witness I think would have been able
to identify him by his ears. And so he had
this plastic surgery done and then used his family for
an alibi, and later on his son, Saint John Hunt
is his son's name. He's done a lot of different
interviews actually just kind of exposing some of this, but
still attempting to somehow maintain his father's just reputation. I guess,
I don't know. It's very strange. But at the same time,
he himself claims that alibi was completely made up and
that his father was in Dallas and he was not
actually at home whenever the assassination took place. That's just
funny to me, Yeah, covering the stuff up, especially knowing
I Howard Hunts from Operation forty with Frming Sturgis and
all these different individuals who who later On claimed that
actually Watergate in the burglary was was apparently about finding
the photos of the blackmail photos that were apparently at
the DNC the Watergate complex, because there had been a
sexual blackmail operations set up a block away through the
Columbia Plaza apartments.
Speaker 4: Right, yes, yes, yes, operation the White House called girl
Heidie Reichen who apparently was the daughter of a Nazi
SSU boat captain and came over through Operation paper Clip
and spoke fluent German.
Speaker 3: Then became one of the I forget what they called them,
but it was very uncommon for women to be in
in the military at this time, right, and so I
forget the name of women in the military, but they
had a specific name, and and so she obviously joins
the military and becomes an interpreter as being able to
speak such fluent German. And then later on she's in
she's in Dallas during the time of the JFK assassination,
palain around and actually attending one of the parties the
night before the assassination took place with with Lyndon Johnson.
Speaker 2: Right, imagine that that guy's.
Speaker 3: So exactly he told the Joint chiefs of Staff in
the generals right after the assassination, he's sworn in and
he turns and looks at them, and as he's walking past,
he says, you boys can have your your war now,
right because Vietnam was one hundred percent they were withdrawing
until that time, right.
Speaker 2: So Kennedy was like, no way, we're out of this,
and Johnson's like, let's.
Speaker 3: Go exactly and just knowing that it was Clint Merchson Senior,
I believe, who owned the Dallas Cowboys. Okay, so another
window and how they were apparently utilizing Heidie Reichen for
she was basically Glene Maxwell with her own little black book,
and she had sexual blackmail assets that she had compromised
in this book. And they were very prominent. We're talking,
you know, politicians of high prominence, and then you have businessmen.
You have apparently high level professional athletes as well, which
I found interesting and I forget the names of them
at the time, but they were done.
Speaker 2: That's the same playbook they used, like over and over
and over, and so like that's Gleainne Maxwell. You mentioned her,
but like the original Glainne Maxwell, but there's probably somebody
before her too, Like they just keep doing this over
and over and over. That way they can keep control
over people.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. I know, and I think it goes back
even farther than the eighteenth century health fire clubs, But
I know that that that was a major resource for
this strategy being you know, implemented and very well established
as a fundamental playbook moving forward. And so yeah, it's
it's very interesting to obviously understand all of that and
realizing the Howard Hunts a part of Operation forty, and
understanding that not only was Clint Merchison Senior hosting that
party with all the usual suspects just before the assassination,
but his son, Clint Merchiston Junior, was also hosting a
party that very same night with Heidi Reichen apparently in
attendance at the other party. At this party, you had
Lee Harvey Oswald. Okay, you had Officer JD. Tippett, who
was allegedly Lee Harvey Oswald's shot when he was escaping
as as a superhero, all these incredible feats that no
human being could potentially actually, you know, if you look
at the official narrative, it's like the man was able
to fly. It didn't even make sense. And he he.
Speaker 2: Wasn't a shot, Like he was a terrible shot. But
you look at like his history prior to JFK's assassination,
like it doesn't even make any sense. This guy would
not have been able to kill jfkf he was standing
in front of him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and apparently he missed. He'd like misfired his rifle
when he was out on patrol at at while he
was stationed at Atsugi Air Force Base in Japan. This
is the exact same Air Force base where they were
running the fake defector program just before Lee Harvey Oswald
was sent to the Soviet Union on an intelligence dangle
where everywhere the U two spy plane went, Lee Harvey
Oswald went, And he was telling these stories to individuals
connected to the KGB as if this is what a
dangle is as far as an intelligence dangle, you offer
them a legitimate intelligence, right, but obviously it's what you've
been told to offer to effectively gain credibility with these assets.
And then by the end of it, every single person
who he came into contact with said that guy is
an intelligence operative, like every single way it was a
military Yeah, and a military intelligence plane actually flew him home.
He didn't go through customs. Nothing right, and nobody ever
acknowledges that, which is fascinating. I think Lisa Piece maybe
was the individual who mentioned this, uh, the author of
a lie too big to fail on the RFK assassination.
And she still claims that Sir han Was was firing
blanks in the Ambassador Hotel that night in the pantry
as a measure of the distractionary measure, let's say, in
order for than Eugene Czar to get off the real
shots point blank range just behind r f K as
he pulls him back down on top of him, and
then he gets rid of the weapon that he used
in that hit as well. Because than Eugene Czar is
connected to Howard Hughes. Robert Mayhew was the fixer for
Howard Hughes. He ran a security company at this time
which was apparently staffing mob hitman for priority targeted assassinations
on behalf of the intelligence UH and apparatus. It's it's insane.
Speaker 2: And that's what he was saying. He was like, it
was the mafia, I did it, yea.
Speaker 3: And the CIA, you know, always.
Speaker 2: The CIA is always like the one in alloying them,
but they're like, how can we put a level of
like pausbile deniability between us and the assassination?
Speaker 3: So the exactly the mafia always right, right, But that's
why I always reference uh Paul Williams book Operation Gladiol
Uh the Unholy Alliance between the the I think it's
this mafia, the Vatican, and the CIA. There's something like that, right,
It's those three entities that are specifically referenced in the title.
And it's perfect because that's exactly what we see, is
this unholy alliance taking place, and the essentially, you know,
just witnessing the ability of of just as far as
like Robert Mayhew, you know, he comes up so so
many different times involved with the Mormon mafia and all
of this, and and he would apparently was the individual
who made the meeting happen and arranged the meeting between
all of the most prominent organized crime uh mafioso members,
essentially the leaders of these these criminal syndicates, and traffic
Conte was one of them. There were a few different
individuals who were arranged in this meeting to sit down
with individual operatives within the CIA to form an alliance,
and they called one of them was the Opfice of
Naval Intelligence called it Operation Underworld, and and this was
how they formed an alliance with the mafia. And so yeah,
in no way I view RF case assassination. I mean,
you see Malcolm X's MLK, they're all dying. At the
same time, it felt.
Speaker 2: Like all these people were like, let's get rid of
anybody that opposes our narrative, and that then was a
really good time to do it because people didn't like
yes with JFK, people like that was weird, but like
everybody else are like, oh he was they were just killed.
Speaker 3: They were just it's ridiculous. And there's a quote from
hl Mankin that I found the other day, and I
think i'd quoted him in maybe it was the Waco
episode that I did a few years ago and Ruby.
Speaker 2: Ridge what good? So good?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so fuck like Ruby Ridge okay see uh and
Waco those specifically woke me up. You know.
Speaker 2: Well then it takes you like because you have Waco
and then you have okay see and then what to
four years later you have Columbine Exactly.
Speaker 3: I think that you basically have the shift happening whenever,
because obviously there was pat Con happening in terms of
the early nineties. And I think what they really wanted
was two, uh, basically destroy any sort of grassroots movements
in terms of the specifically the right wing militias that
were forming at the time. And and I think that
was a major key for running pat Con because it
was just basically an extension of of co Intel Pro,
which was obviously the very same playbook, just targeting the
left in a different way, right, And so that was
what the SLA was and all these strange even infiltrating
the Black Panthers and everything. It just it was a
major operation in terms of clandestine domestically, and I think
it disrupted the legitimate path of modern society and the
way in which they hoped it would. And and hl
Mankin said this, and it reminded me of we were
just talking about Peter Tiel and Epstein and even Peter
Tiel's father, Klaus Teel, is like a chemical engineer from
Nazi Germany. His his mother is a parentparently of Polish descent.
We can't find out much about her. She's she's a homemaker,
that's all we know. And then it turns out that
his father comes over in sixty eight when Peter is
a one year old and then they moved down to
apartheid South Africa and he runs a uranium mine, and
this uranium mine ends up apparently utilizing a racially motivated
slave labor during that time, and yeah, and what exactly
what was the what were the uranium mines doing? Financed
by the British aristocracy as well. It turns out this
is the same apparently as the same enterprise and operation
in terms of the mining operation that was happening that
helped with Hitler's regime at the time as well. But
then when Klaus Steel took over, they're apparently providing the
uranium for the nuclear weapons program for apartheid South Africa,
but also applying the uranian or supplying the uranium for
the nuclear weapons programs for all these other various countries
as well, which are living under these dictatorships and things
of that nature. And it became a major scandal. But anyway,
it's just fascinating to me to see that it looked
as if he comes over in sixty eight, spends two
years in the US and then gets sent down in
some military intelligence operation to run a slave mind to
provide weapons of mass destruction to various countries. Yeah, that
are specifically prioritized, and yeah it again none of this
is by accident. And I think that there is definitely
this generational family dynamic that plays into the power of
to ball and the permanent establishment.
Speaker 2: So I felt that with lots of the major families
where they're like, like even the Rothschilds, for a long
time they were just marrying each other, like the cousins,
because they're like, let's keep it the fan. And now
they kind of mary outside the family, but still like
there's some weird marriages there.
Speaker 3: Oh. Yeah, absolutely. I was reading The World Order Our
Secret Rulers by Eustace Moulins the other day and just
kind of reading back up on it, you know, because
it's such an interesting book, man. But I'm telling you,
in chapter two it's fascinating because it's it's titled The
Rothschilds and it's a mera meya. Rothschild is a quote
that starts the chapter and it says, let me but
issue and control a nation's money, and I care not
who writes its laws, right, And it just goes into
how essentially the modern world's financial system and updating of
the Babylonian monetary system of taxes and money creation was
perfected in frankfort On, Maine, in the province of Hesse.
And it talks about the Rothschild's involvement of all that.
And I'm telling you it's it's a uh. I would
encourage everyone to go out and get a copy of
that because it's really not it's not even a long book,
and it's not very expensive either, but it's uh. You
pair that with the Committee of three hundred by doctor Coleman.
I believe it's his name, John Coleman. I think I
can't remember now, but yeah. Then you see the motp
Pelleran Society and the Seni Foundation, and all of these,
even the Pilgrim Society and the Anglo American Establishment, the
Society of the Cincinnati, all of these are are fraternal
organizations a powerful influence that have have, more than anyone
could understand, paved the way for this dystopian landscape. And
if it weren't for these policy steering organizations that have
no directional oversight and legitimately are unelected bureaucrats man, I mean,
this is the.
Speaker 2: Bureaucratic non governmental and so it's like all these I
mean I'm covering uh or, I was working on the
the one thousand and one Club, which is this like
non governmental organization that is allegedly just to give funds
to the World Wildlife Fund, which you're like, when you
look at the people that are in this club, the
one thousand and one Club, You're like, what, There's no
way they just got together these people specifically and decided
to give money the conservation like that is wild And
so there's so many like the Builder Group and Trilateral Commission.
You got all these different things where you're like, there's
no way that you guys are just like a think
tank committee. What are you thinking about?
Speaker 3: Exactly?
Speaker 2: What is the thought?
Speaker 3: And that's that's what I think whenever I covered the
Committee of three hundred. I mean, he went into the
Council on Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute of International Affairs,
how Chatham House basically chose our presidents for generations. He
even tells the story of how he was an intelligence
to operative and he gained insight by reading through these
these uh these documents, right, And it's very interesting because
he he essentially goes over how he viewed these top
secret classified documents which were unusually explicit. And this was
during his time as a political science officer in the
field in Angola, West Africa. So again Angola very much
as Cia Black op which which by the way, looms
large behind that of apartheid South Africa. And what was
happening there with during the time of Peter Teel's little
German enclave where they're only speaking fluent German, and and
somebody even claimed that when they went there they were
they were greeted. There's many different articles claiming they were
greeted casually with a hal Hitler yeah sighil And it's
just like, oh my, yeah, you're like yeah, I just
thought Colonia Dignidad instantly. And what happened following World War
Two and just the aftermath post war, how the Nazi
draft took place and all these Nazi safe havens and
enclaves were essentially set up geographically all throughout the world,
one of which was in Chile through Operation Condor, and
they were running Colonia Dignidad, which was they had crazy
border fences with razor wire on the top. They basically
had a subterranean bunker system as well, which Paul Schaeffer
was a prolific pedophile who was a member of the SS.
He fled Germany post war, went to Chile, set up
this Colonia Dignidad and then essentially had an airstrip was
flying in. Apparently they claimed that Tamengola himself flew in
and stayed there for a time, and there were all
these rumors that Hitler even spent time there, and they
had documents that.
Speaker 2: Were discovered Argentina like he went to our Yeah he
fled finis exactly like, no, he killed himself, little bunker,
I'm likenient.
Speaker 3: It's uh huh yeah, sure, the bastard child of a
of a rothschild or something. You know. Of course, when
they're all uh looking for the uber Mitche while they're
they're clearly like Austrian Jews, and it's like, what are
you guys doing? Man? Uh the Aryan god king. But yeah,
it's very strange. I mean the what was that the
spear of Laungeness or something like that as well, which
is allegedly the spear that pierced Christ's side on on
the mountain you know, uh, Golgotha, I guess whenever he
was crucified. And and it's supposed to provide Uh, it's
the spear of destiny, right and and uh and they
they went all the way to Antarctica in search of
of this spirit. And it's just fascinating to me how
much the occult is is legitimately and the Tool Society
and not you know, the inner circle of Hitler specifically,
I mean Rudolph Hess. I mean, he's in a war
as a warlock with Aleistair Crowley, Like, what are we
talking about. He's like wearing this wizard's cloak with all
these ancient ruins on it and claims he's casting occult
spells on Aleister Crowley from Germany. And then he boards
a single engine Cessna and flies to the UK to
have this alleged conflict. And then he gets his plane
shot down and he gets brought into custody and they
put him in prison as a military prisoner. And yeah,
it's just the strangest story of all time. But that
was one of the right hand men for Adolf Hitler. Again,
it's just too much, right whenever you see what really
happened in terms of who financed both sides of the
war and things of that nature. I mean, even Prescott
obviously being deeply involved but but yeah, it was the Bolshevism.
Resicrucis uh right, you have uh, basically all these various
spin offs of these same secret societies obviously are are
part of this. But you have the Venetian Black nobility,
the Fabianist society. Yeah. I think that understanding, right, that
that the vast majority of all of written and recorded
history has been manufactured by the state in order to
legitimately facilitate this this same structured and STOPI an outcome.
You're not you're not waking up to reality, right, and
you're in my mind, I feel like the vast majority
would rather not because they're they're so conditioned to just
fall in line with the new the kind of the
let's just say, the new psychological operational standpoint of the
influencer industrial comp which is very much I think, re
corralling all of the individuals desperately fleeing from the dying
lass gas with the mainstream media, and they're being recorralled
into these new camps of ideological subversion that still helps
facilitate the right the current goals of the permanent establishment.
So you're just a part of the problem once more,
and you're more than likely prioritizing things that really ultimately
don't even matter in terms of the ultimate the overwhelming
outcome of what we're facing, and so we find ourselves arguing, Yeah,
exactly a distractionary measure to really, I think, escalate the
culture war and ratchet up these tensions in order for
us to waste all of our time arguing over nonsensical
details that don't ultimately matter, you know. And it's like,
if we can't agree on gender and what are we
what hope do we have in terms of coming to
some common place as far as we.
Speaker 2: Can't agree on any station, Like they've done so well
at dividing us so drastically that people can't agree on
anything and people refuse to disagree calmly, you know what
I'm saying, Like, like, we used to be able to
have conversations where you're like I don't agree with you
because of X, Y and Z, and now we can't
even have those conversations. Actually, I was just talking to
somebody and I was like, yeah, like I feel like
in the conspiracy world we are we're good at that
because we live in this world where like everything's gray
and nothing's like fully black or white, that we are
really good at having the conversation where you're like, I
don't agree with you, like, and let me tell you why,
And then you can come back and be like, yeah,
well that's cool, I don't agree with that. But we
can each change our perspective just a little bit or
gain like a bigger picture now because we have the
different expect like perspectives. But like in the world, we're
not good at doing that.
Speaker 3: No, no, I've learned to. It's kind of hilarious. I was.
I saw some new apparent a character profile of a
personality type called an ultrovert autrovert something like that, and
it basically it's outside of the standard of extrovert introvert
and essentially it applies to someone who thrives in social situations,
but only under the circumstances where they can control their
environment in terms of the people who are involved in that.
It's interesting because I felt like it applied a little
bit too directly to me in terms of needing also
needing time to decompress after those social interactions and and
and have my alone time to reflect on my own
ideas and and uh, and over analyze every single thing
that I said, right, and how I missed the boat
and and and missed my opportunity and oh my god,
I said the wrong way. I meant to present that
information in this specific manner, you know, and and very
self defeating when it comes to that. That times, it's
it becomes a little bit too much of character defect.
But uh, also it's it's it's great because it helps me,
I think, grow and and and learn from my mistakes.
But yeah, I don't know, I I'm over overall. I
think I focused too much on controlling the outcome and
it's a it's a problem, and so it's something that
I have to just let go of. And and uh,
basically manifest the serenity prayer in a way is what
I utilize because uh, you know, it's just about it
give me the courage to accept it or no, God,
grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,
the courage to change the things that I can, and
the wisdom to know the difference. And it's like that
is a good thing to at least use as a mantra.
But yeah, I don't know, it's it's something that just
was I just talking about before that, and I'm sorry.
I totally lost. Oh yeah, yeah, the personality type this,
this is this is my plight. I suffer on a
daily schizo bros. A symbol. That's the whole reason we
do already did but uh, honestly, it's just because it's uh,
it's become a product of all of the overlapping you know,
h examples that we can point to, you know. But
but yeah, it's something really triggered in my mind in
terms of that applying specifically to me in a way,
because I've realized I don't have these stations intellectual conversations
or even objectively attempting to I don't know. I I
do push the envelope occasionally, but I've learned when and
where to have those conversations. And and uh yeah, And
I think that most of the time, with certain people,
if you just want to maintain and continue to cultivate
a relationship worthwhile and you love them for who they are,
whether you agree on things or not, yeah, it's not
a it's not a war worth fighting, you know. And
I think that at the end of the day, you
end up in a just worse off and in a
more disadvantage or this disadvantaged position in a way, because
you're you're kind of isolating yourself and walling yourself off
to two people who you should you should only try
to affect those people who aren't open to having those
conversations through through the way in which you you go
about your own life and through example, hopefully you make
an effect in a positive way. But beyond that, it's like,
you know, do what you do the best that you can.
But obviously I don't think I think we need to
consider more than we do, you know, the level of
just I think the ultimate consequences that that effectively put
us in a position where we can't have those those
relationships that we once could, and that is the disruption
and the measures of control that they hope to achieve.
And so I kind of try and reject that as
as often as possible, obviously, but it was that aspect
of the personality type, but also just the kind of
it matters for me as far as I can't have
these conversations with just the random, general, average person, right
who who It's just it's too much, and so I
don't even go there, and I tempt to keep things
at a very you know, surface level in a way.
But yeah, you have to pick and choose, and I
think that, yeah, most of the time, if you care
about the person, it's just not worth it, right, So
I don't know, it's interesting, but it's it's a delicate
balance and you have to play that dance, you know.
But but anyway, I don't know, I feel like the
best way as far as the way that I found
this specific rabbit hole in terms of just the concept
questioning the concept of a of a mass shooter, in
the psychology of a mass shooter, like specifically, I started
by when whenever I was exposed to the reality of
snuff films, right, And basically, I remember, there's there's this
film I reference a lot from nineteen ninety nine with
Nicholas Cage, right, And basically it's eight millimeter is the
name of the film, and essentially what it's referencing is
that the way in which child pornography is distributed is
on these undeveloped eight millimeter film strips. And so I
was unaware of that obviously until I gained some credible
insight into how these organizations function. And yeah, apparently it's
illegal obviously to to open mail and things of that nature.
But if you're at the post office or however this
this film strips being sent This is a way to effectively,
you know, I guess, just conveniently make its way through
without being acknowledged as what it is obviously by the authorities,
is to have it as an undeveloped eight millimeter film strip.
And so Nicholas Cage's character is like a private investigator
in the film, and he's hired by this this woman
who is a widow. She's a new basically her her
husband just died and he was this patriarch of the family,
very wealthy, obviously supposed to seemingly represent you know, these
very prominent, powerful individuals who who obviously are are above
any real accountability. And and so she apparently finds in
his private safe after his death, this undeveloped eight millimeter
film strip and then they they view this and actually
have she she had witnessed what was on the strip,
and then called this private investigator to come and and
basically pick up the investigation into this case. And is
this eight millimeter film strip real? Right? Was this a
real video? Was this woman actually murdered on film? And
so he gets to the property, he takes the film
strip and he goes and views it for the first
time in a private room and watching his visceral emotional
reaction when the moment comes, right, is what all of us,
if any of us, have ever gone to the length.
And obviously I'm not saying I've screened a legitimate snuff film,
but I am saying I've seen things that I wish
I didn't, you know, and and and that's mainly through
the the the window of these various cases and things
of that nature, like a de Trow Obviously I think
Franklin and the Finders apply as well. But yeah, so
that specifically hit home and resonated with me. And then
to then see the overall network that that kind of
comes to light and surfaces throughout the investigation of the film.
It it really kind of lent in my opinion. It
introduced the concept to the general public in terms of
snuff films are legitimately real. This is not a myth, right,
the myth of snuff film which they would like you
to imagine, and what has still been basically the official
narrative right for many years, which is strange. Although you
have individuals like Alan Derschwitz, the vanguard and protector of
pedophiles himself, who the vanguard of snuff films. By the way,
it was like in the nineteen seventies, he was hosting
a Harvard debate where he was involved debating in this
Harvard debate where apparently it was in regard to the
legality of screening a snuff film domestically in the US,
and his only condition was that he claimed yes, it
should be legal. The only condition that would provide a
public theater from even a private theater was obviously referred
to of screening a public publicly screening a snuff film
would be the only measure of illegality would potentially be
if this was conducted on on a domestic citizen. So
if it were a foreign national of any kind, then
it should be publicly screen a snuff film. This was
in the nineteen seventies. You had Alan Dershowitz, who's clearly
connected in with I mean, he claims that it.
Speaker 2: Was Jeffrey Epstein for sure, Yeah, and I covered him
for that.
Speaker 3: I forget what's the name of the Rothschild woman that
allegedly introduced him to to Epstein. I have to find
it out because I always forget her name. But it's
fascinating because just to obviously have that opportunity to use
Dershwitz as an example of that.
Speaker 2: He's definitely watching snuff films exactly, and he's like, yeah,
we should get together, we should all get together in
the theater and watch this film together. Let's hold hands,
let's eat popcorn, let's boo at the bad parts, let's
hang out.
Speaker 3: It's insane.
Speaker 2: And then he's like, Jeffrey Epstein barely knew the guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now he's still claiming, obviously that it was Lynn
Forster to Rothschild, that's her name. She she allegedly introduced
the two, right, Alan Derschwitz to Jeffrey Epstein. Laughable, you know,
But again, yeah, when whenever you see just Durstwitz is
a part of so many different obvious scandalous cases like
let's even for the Fort Bragg murders with doctor Jeffrey McDonald.
He was a part of that, which is just fascinating
to see how Jeffrey McDonald was just entirely railroaded by
the system. And I don't believe he murdered his wife
and two children, right, it was a pregnant wife at
the time. I think it was a fertility death ritual. Essentially,
that was an initiatory practice by the local chapter of
the Processed Church of the Final Judgment, and they were
called I'm trying to remember now, I forget the name
of Helenostokele's basically a local chapter of the process but
either way, she she basically they were helping facilitate the
heroin trade and the drug distribution from Fort Bragg at
that time, because there was a there was a major
scandal called the cadaver Connection, and it exposed how during
the Vietnam War, all these US military personnel were coming
home in caskets and they were actually lining the caskets
with heroin, and specific caskets would be given a unique
you know, obvious like I think it was like a
yellow ribbon something like that. I can't remember now. That
was just a way to identify which one was a
part of the drug distribution operation and which wasn't. And
so they were even not only lining the caskets, but
they were emptying out the organs of the dead gis
and shoving plastic bags of heroin in their bodies. Like
this is legitimately connected to what was being a facilitated
at Fort Bragg, as far as the drug distribution, and
and then that was all connected back into Helena Stokely
and this weird cult committing these murders on an actual
doctor at Fort Bragg who apparently was considering blowing the
whistle on what he viewed to be because apparently the
level of heroin overdoses skyrocketed once the operation began, and
on base he was seeing this extraordinary amount of statistical
increases and all of these things happening. And I think
there was even once Pacific case where two individuals connected
to the network were brought in, one of which had
overdosed on heroin, and he had had obviously taken this
specifically to the local investigators of the forget it was
what the name of the local police department was at
the time. But either way, it's it's very interesting because
clearly he kind of lays out the example of how
basically what he did is he provided the local investigators
with the case that legitimately opened up a window into
a drug distribution pipeline set up through the military base.
And so that really brought I think the world down
on Jeffrey McDonald's shoulders because he was willing to blow
the whistle in this way, and yeah, exactly, and and man,
just the level of infiltration on the case itself, because
he was forced into a military tribunal at the beginning
of everything, and they ultimately ruled that he was innocent,
and then they took it up in a private matter
and tried to obviously pursue a criminal case. And the
same individuals who tried to prosecute him in the military tribunal,
who were acting in bad faith, specifically infiltrated the criminal
case and got what they desired basically out of the outcome.
And that's the it's fascinating with that because you get
a window into Iran contra. Really it's the same playbook
that never ended, and that brings full circle the Son
of Sam murders because David Burkwitz one of the women
who was killed outside the Elephis Club. So the story
goes that David Burkwitz was only potentially responsible for killing
three of the victims, right out of all the victims
that the Son of Sam allegedly killed. And inevitably, it
turns out that she was working for this medical company
and essentially had realized that as she was an ambulance
technician at one of these companies. She realized they were
utilizing this as an opportunity to distribute the heroin throughout
the area. And so she had found out about the
drug trafficking and was willing to testify because investigators had
come to her. And so then she becomes a priority
target in the context of the Son of Sam killings
and gets brutally murdered outside of the Elephis Club, which
Elefis levy a cult connotation to the symbolic nature of
the ultimate sacrifice or the ultimate evil and having an
occult sacrifice be involved. Now there's a lot of debate
over is this playbook in order to actually engineer in
a cult ritual? And do they believe in the subconscious
wielding of the power of obviously having the general public
subconsciously participate in the overall false narrative of what's taking place.
Could that, even, you know, provide some sort of interesting,
powerful energy in terms of what the cult is attempting
to facilitate on their own, You never know. It's it's
at the very least worth considering. And I think that
the layers of symbolism involved in so many of the
murders make it impossible to deny. So the question becomes,
was this a viable wave for them to essentially muddy
the waters in terms of the investigatory practice in general,
to where just at face value, it feels too extraordinary,
so you just turn the other way because obviously he
was just a psychotic serial killer and the dog told
him that he needed to kill all those people, right
because just the most ridiculous thing, he wasn't actually sacrificing
all those Alsatian dogs or German shepherds in Untermeyer Park
with the at the Devil's Cave that was then filled
in later on, and Detective James Rosstein proves all of
this happened through his criminal witnesses and criminal informants. I mean,
it's crazy. He found a mass grave of German shepherd
dogs at Untermeyer Park, where if you look up under
Meyer Park, the individual who owned this park, forget something,
unter Myer's his last name. So he's talk about a
connected guy to these fraternal organizations and things of that nature.
It turns out there's all this symbolism in the park itself,
monoliths winged lions. You know, it's very.
Speaker 2: He's like, look, this is what we're doing crazy things.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when James Rosstein knocked on his door and
he was actually there for a change, and this man
had specific direct connections to the Processed Church of the
final judgment, they claimed he was utilizing an MC club,
a motorcycle club first private security basically to run these
occult rituals in Upstate New York at some of these
various parks, and so this was a great way in
which they could apparently procure other victims. A lot of
children would go missing from these parks, and so that
was one of the specific ways they apparently utilized the
access to this to this public park. But yeah, it
turns out he goes and he visits him, and the
man refused to answer any questions and silently closed the
door in his face. And that was a very prominent
investigator and a detective in upstate New York who very
effectively traced the lines of when the Processed Church uprooted
just after the Son of Sam killings and drove east
allegedly and also a little bit south apparently because one
of the fact one of the factions props back up
just after Son of Sam in the Wayne Williams Atlanta
child murders case. And once again we have a direct
example of the Processed Church being involved with uh Iran
Contra again because it was through Hartsfield International or uhh
yeah International Airport, which is in Georgia. In Atlanta. Uh
they were apparently utilizing uh An Aryan organization and a
chapter of the KKK, the intelligence Apparatus, was using them
to facilitate the Iran Contra playbook by funneling drugs through
Hartsfield and then facilitating the distribute the distribution process through
these various organizations, including one of which being uh UH
the cults organization that was affiliated with the process that
I think it was Parnell Treeham was his name, and
he was a tax cab driver from Florida, And so
you have the Miami Atlanta connection come to fruition in
this context where he was apparently helping with the distribution
process there and then began abducting children on behalf of
the network as well. And that's when his girlfriend went
public with her claims and even said that she was tasked.
But so they were having occult rituals where they were
apparently engaging in animal sacrifice, blood ritual sacrifice of some
kind as well that included children. It would be kids
who they tasked with basically being low level street dealers,
and if they were holding back money for themselves or
the product or whatever, they would get effectively ritualistically murdered
for purposes of a snuff film as well. So it
would become this overlapping nature of the enterprise of you know,
exploiting every aspect of what they could potentially achieve. And
they were utilizing an Indian burial grounds for these ritual
sacrifices in the woods and basically would have a security
perimeter around the site where they wouldn't have the actual
ritual take place. And that's where Parnell Trenham's girlfriend claims
that she witnessed a lot of these kids, you know,
one of which being dragged in bondage into a barn
and and being violently interrogated and then murdered. And and yeah,
it was through her boyfriend's statements to her specifically that
she became so concerned that she inevitably told the investigators
obviously it's it's crazy. I'm sorry, I'm so off based
from what you had me come on to talk about.
Speaker 2: I really, I really have learned so much because there's
a lot of things like I have done research into,
but then there's a lot of things that like I
haven't touched yet that I like I should look into,
that I should do an episode on that I need,
I need to learn more about this and so and
in like the connection of like this thing connects to
this thing connects to this thing. Like how connected everything is.
When people think, oh, well, this thing is what it
is by itself, and there's this thing and those two
things don't matter together, but everything is connected absolutely.
Speaker 3: And I don't know how long you want to go,
but I'm perfectly open to coming back. So this is
what I do on every show. Don't feel the need
to invite me back, but I swear every time I
go on, I inevitably ask for a part too, because
I completely destroy the original presentation I intended to. Obviously, Okay,
I'm in, but I did want to show you something
before we do come to a close, and that was
that there's a two minute video that I have to
show you on Paul Banassi, who was the Franklin Scandal victim.
And so this is obviously Paul Banassi, right, and I
think it's very important just because understanding exactly who he
was right in terms of of like, I was just
reading through the Artichoke documents that I mentioned to I'll
bring up the Paulbnossi video in just a second. I
guess I probably should introduce it for a moment. And
basically I read through the specific nineteen fifty three Artichoke document,
which specifically was titled outline of Special Age Cases, right,
And it was interesting because through reading it, H obviously
means hypnotism, right or yeah yeah, So it's very strange
because it says, in all of these cases, these subjects
have clearly demonstrated that they can pass from a fully
awake state to a deep h controlled state via the telephone,
via some very subtle signal that cannot be detected by
other persons in the room, and without the other individual
being able to note the change. It has been shown
clearly that physically, I know, right, we're talking nineteen fifty three,
it's just becoming an internal document referenced where they have
the capability to trigger a Manchurian from a free will
state of mind to an entirely controlled and suggestible manitarian
candidate right a programmed assets and that alone is fascinating,
especially nineteen fifty three, and so think of how sophisticated
the methods could be at this point. Obviously, and whenever
we talk James Holmes will have to mention it just
in terms of how many individuals involved at Columbine were
effectively on the jury and in the Aurora case, it's too.
Speaker 2: Just why you would think they're disqualified from that.
Speaker 3: You would think just from the emotional context of kind
of the traumatic experience, that alone should disqualify you from
being an objective juror in a case that involves a
mass shooting. It's just in my personal opinion, I'm sorry,
I mean, it seems like it's a conflict of interest
at the very least, and right and and what I
think about all the time in terms of every time
I reference this. This art of Choke document is basically
the Menterranean Candidate film, which I did an episode with
William Ramsay on that film specifically, and my god, it
just there's a moment when and obviously Raymond Shaw is
the main character and and there's some strange Oedipus complex
he has with Angela Lansbury, which plays the character and
role of his mother and she's a very prominent woman
with just politically prominent obviously and has a lot of
leverage over just basically she's implementing a kudreta, a violent
assassination and a revolution of some kind. Right, And clearly
it seems like in the context of the plot of
the film, it's very much inspired by this Soviet Communism
kind of contexts in terms of just the ideological motivating factor,
which is interesting, but still just as far as it's
released in nineteen sixty three, just before the JFK assassination,
and allegedly the director had gone to JFK specifically and
knew him personally and said, Jack, is it okay if
I go forward with this considering the political environment and
the heightened tension with the Soviet Union, And JFK allegedly
gave him the green light and said, no, it's important
to have this obviously out there for public exposure and
understanding the legitimate techniques of the intelligence community. And and
but by the way, that same director inevitably would have
been at a dinner party the night before Rfk's assassinated
at the Ambassador Hotel. Yeah, so it turns out he's
at a dinner party with Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate,
and as the story goes, Sir Hans Sirhan was in
attendance and actually knew someone who was a chef in
the Ambassador Hotel that he was personal friends with that
was also a member of the Processed Church of the
Final Judgment, just so everyone knows, let alone, he's working
at a racetrack that's owned by the mafia at the time.
And I think this is where he was essentially provided
as an asset and and taken to the shooting range
and given his conditioning as well, because if you remember,
I think it was what his defense team I think
is who who made the the actual claims regarding uh,
the shooting range as far as targets in his eyes,
I think is what he saw when he was in
this hypnotic state.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: And And what's yeah, what's interesting is is that, Yeah,
it was Lawrence Teeter uh, the defense attorney for sir Han,
who claimed he still believes that sir Han was operating
under MK ultrum mind control techniques when he shot at RFK.
Both the prosecution and the defense had trained hypnotists put
sir Han in a trance on the record during the trial,
which is fascinating to watch. There's actual footage of them. Uh,
they're the prosecutions absolutely leading the witness in this context
is so disgusting to watch. And they legitimately he's in
a hypnotic state, extraordinarily suggestible, and they say, sir Han,
the gun's in your hand now, Sir Han, And and
they're just walking him through how he and the way
that they're actually the language they're using. It's like, without
a doubt he the starting point is you committed this
targeted assassination and killed our FK for a specific, motivated
reason based on your Palestinian heritage, even though that didn't
really even make sense. Honestly, they're telling him all this.
Speaker 2: I haven't actually done an episode on RFK. I just
had a guest on to talk about it, but like,
I really haven't done any research into it.
Speaker 3: Man I this was the best example of a legitimate
asset in a modern Mantaranean in a way, as far
as it's the greatest example of a Mentorian candidate who
I believe to have been a plausible patsy and was
not in any way. I don't think he actually even
as I mentioned before I think he fired blanks in
the in the pantry. And what's most interesting, it feels
like sir Han was even almost conditioned to become some
sort of public perpetrator of some kind, to have been
involved in a public scandal, if only referencing back to
Time magazine. Okay, so early on, sir Han's like very young,
still a teenager, and he happens to be as far
as just a given a prominent spotlight in Time magazine
at this very moment in time, and and what ends up,
So what happened is they were apparently running an article
about skateboarding, okay, in the skateboarding culture in New York City,
and so they go down to I think it was
even the major park obviously in New York Central Park
is where they actually filmed this if I remember, and
actually took the pictures and everything of these kids skating
down basically pushing each other down while sitting on a
skateboard some interesting path. But it looks like the picture
that was taken and provided as the main picture for
the article was happened to include sir Han and an individual,
another individual who was around his age at the time,
who ended up being the very I forget his nationality
at this point, but he was a foreign citizen who
had become I think he had become a US citizen
though at that time. But still, either way, they're film
their their picture is together, and they're skating together, and
either Sir Hans being pushed or it's vice versa, but
I think Sir Hans sitting on the skateboard being pushed.
And it turns out that that that other individual happened
to be the bus boy working at the Ambassador Hotel
and was the first person pictured above the body of
RFK who's struggling in the moments, gasping in his last
moments alive, to be that very same individual whose picture
was Sirhan in the Time magazine a skateboard issue. And
by the way, Time magazine was owned by Henry Loose.
At this time. Henry Loose was a member of the
Pilgrim Society in the Anglo American establishment, and he also
happened to be one of Alan Dohles's best friends who
was tasked with running Operation Mockingbird domestically in the US.
It's like, man, there's no way around the fact that
that that was an entirely staged operation probably for over
ten years. If you know, if you're being honest with
you would think strategically speaking, they would be you know,
at least putting these assets into position and things of
that nature. But either way, I do think the examples
that were given sir Han was far too suggestible. It
looked as if one of the expert hypnotists who then
put him in a train it's in custody when he
was in his cell, he actually put him in a
trance to gauge how suggestible he was. And the implication
being that based on the suggestibility proves how many times
in the past sir Han had been hypnotized and put
in this hypnotic trance, and so that was obviously important.
But I think it was sir Han was even considered
to have been a victim of the psychic driving technique
by doctor Ewan Cameron, who this was a system of
mind control that apparently received direct funding through mk ultra
subprojects sixty.
Speaker 2: Eight and this one was a prominent figure in k Ultra.
Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah, he was the individual I believe, tasked with
facilitating the Montreal experiments. It was basically exporting mk Ultra
to Canada and yes, so they outsourced Hmkultrre to Canada
where he carries out the Montreal experiments from fifty seven
to sixty four. So that's between the exact time leading
up to the jfk assassination. At the very least, obviously
RFK is nineteen sixty eight. But still, if between fifty
seven and sixty four, if the psychic driving technique was
utilized on Sirhon, then it's at the very least I
think plausible enough as being one of the methods they
would have relied upon. But yes, so this is official
sources investigating mk ultra right, who basically claimed that many
of doctor Cameron's patients were at the Allen Memorial Institute
of McGill University for common medical problems such as postpartum
depression or anxiety disorders, and were then subjected to his
driving technique and placed into drug induced comas for weeks
at a time. Just like, well, since you're here, I mean, honestly,
that's what it looks like happened. And I would imagine
your your family background. Uh, there's got to be a
specific character profile that they they would probably prize.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so this guy mhm, he is part of
the Franklin scandal, not even part of the Kilt or
well intra, not part of.
Speaker 3: U k assassination, right right, yeah, exactly, Yeah, which is
fascinating obviously as far as Paul Banassi being such a
great window into how these exact techniques have been utilized
on children for for the sociative identity disorder and alters,
basically being a h What's interesting is even with I
believe it's based on the triggers, right, So essentially what
the claim is is that even from the Mantrain candidate film,
right when when the call essentially a call came into
a private bar where Raymond Shaw, the main character was,
who had already been conditioned and programmed while he was
over and in. I think it was basically alluding to
the Phoenix program, is what they were pointing out right.
I think it was like Koreans or something that had
had essentially with a Soviet twist, had had basically got
him in his entire unit uh as as military prisoners
for a time and then conditioned them in a laboratory
which they all believed they were just in some hotel
lobby like a meeting room where where these old women
were talking about flowers, right, it was like this flower
I forget exactly what, but yeah, they were all selling
flowers and it was it was very strange. But obviously
that wasn't what they were actually seeing. They thought they
were just boards sitting in this meeting with all these
old women presenting flowers, when in reality they're surrounded by
scientists and military intelligence operatives and generals and they're all
just sitting there in this laboratory environment, uh, you know,
viewing this programming technique. And essentially it's like this, uh
you know, some mind control doctors is providing them with
with the example of look at what we can get
these individuals to potentially do. I can create uh, basically
a h an individual killer with no reference or memory
of their crime. And and basically what happens is you
have Raymond Shaw, you have his character given the trigger
in this laboratory setting where he stands up and he
he turns to his fellow you know, just as far
as the individual military member in the unit, I forget
his name now, but he's like a younger guy who's
who's clearly, you know, probably the least formidable in terms
of the military unit that he's in with Frank Sinatra
as well, being a character, and he tells him to
turn and look at at his you know, fellow patriot,
and just shoot him in the head, right, And so
without asking any questions whatsoever, he says yes sir and
or yes ma'am because he thinks they're all women, right, yeah,
And he turns and he looks at his his buddy
and even like smiles. They smile at each other, and
the guy is programmed. His fellow unit members is also programmed.
So he's just staring down the barrel with a full smile,
and the trigger pulls and Frank Sinatra starts waking up
having these nightmares right when he gets back to the States,
and it's memories of his programming because he's not being
reinforced by his current conditioning. So the claim is there's
a shelf life the Manchurians and essentially they will start
to wake up to their prior programming after a certain
amount of time if it's not for the reinforced through
this conditioning process, which is another reason why they had
to fake a car accident and get Raymond Shaw back
into a hospital within the States and a higher floor
of some I forget it with some basically cut out
for intelligence operations, and they had a floor that was
private and secure from the public, obviously being able to access.
And this is where they housed him for a brief time,
claiming he had been hit while jogging by a car
and he had to go through surgery, but in reality
they were reinforcing his conditioning to make sure he would
be triggered in the proper way and go through with
the action of committing the assassination. And it's very interesting.
So they have him just kill someone to see if
the programming is still intact. And anyway, he gets a
call when he's at a bar, and and I won't
talk about the entire movie obviously, but Frank Sinatra is
waking up to his prior programming and he's starting to
remember what he thinks happened, you know. And and Raymond
Shaw had been a whole false narrative had been contrived
and basically assigned to how they actually were, essentially Raymond Shaw.
Actually they weren't military prisoners or prisoners of war at
that time. Actually, Raymond Shaw saved the entire unit and
was this hero and responsible for these heroic actions. And
it was really just a false narrative to provide him
with some credibility I guess as an asset when he
returned to the States, also providing them with a false
narrative that would be plausible enough for people to buy into.
And so yeah, Frank Sinatra starts to remember he doesn't
believe Raymond is the hero, and he kind of thinks
he actually killed in that buddy in their unit who
never made it back, and the official narrative claims he
was a casualty that unfortunately was killed by the enemy.
But yeah, so anyway, the only point I really wanted
to make was basically Raymond sitting in a bar and
the operatives call the bar that he's sitting at, past
the barkeep, is Raymond Shaw there? And then he provides
the phone to Raymond and the first thing they say
is is this Raymond Shaw? He confirms, and they say
you should pass the time by playing a little solitaire,
And then instantly the first layer of programming is triggered
and he becomes far more suggestible. He starts playing the
game of solitaire and what was it a visual Q
as soon as he sees the Queen of Diamonds. The
second layer of programming is triggered, and he will instantly
engage in the action that he's been conditioned to carry
out while he's in the state of mind. It's fast,
it's all just a movie exact And the hell no
it wasn't. I felt like it was some that's like
the most credible window into how this actually worked. All
you have to do is replace Lee Harvey Oswald with
Braymon Shaw, right, And that's the story, man, I mean,
it's it's so fascinating. And the fact that they pulled
that film from distribution just after the assassination of JFK
and for over twenty five years it wasn't publicly distributed
by the production company obviously.
Speaker 2: The putting the pieces together exactly.
Speaker 3: I really do believe that's that's a part of what happened.
But as far as Ewan Cameron's technique, some of the
reports apparently showed his victims forgetting their parents and even
thinking their interrogators were their parents.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: And I always thought, wow, the power of mind control
is far and more sophisticated and we could ever imagine.
But yeah, it was uh parents right, and uh but yeah,
I'm telling you it seemed like the uh, the documents
that suggested the second person shot and killed Kennedy while
using Sir Hanna as a diversion. All of this has
been provided and and it's fascinating too, as far as
the extensive interviews that were given with sir Han and everything.
But but yeah, Sir Han was allegedly said to be
under hypnosis that and on a cue from from a
woman named Elaine Neil who was in a polka dot dress,
white dress with black polka dots.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: He was given a cue from her, and he then
proceeded to go into range mode and believing that he
was firing at a shooting range and seeing circles with
targets in front of his eyes. It's all he remembers.
By by the way, post hypnotic suggestion is apparently the
most efficient and effective thing relied upon in the Mantarian
candidate program. Interesting enough, But yeah, so he said, I
thought that I was at the range more than I
was actually shooting at any person, let alone Bobby Kennedy.
Sir Han was quoted as saying during one of the
interviews with Daniel Brown right, who was the Harvard University
professor and a specialist in trauma, memory and hypnosis. I think,
I don't know. That can't be the same Dan Brown.
It might be, but there's another Dan Brown, if not
the same person who basically ran this experiment, this sociological
experiment where he had he rented a theater and he
was going to have a handpicked select few that were
willing and voluntarily open to being specifically programmed, and one
of the few candidates would be programmed to commit a
fake assassination, a mock assassination in the theater, but nobody
knew when and where it would take place. Nothing, And
so basically all of them are go through their conditioning
and then they host this event at this theater. And
all of this was in the context of Dan Brown
proving that Sir Honk was a mentoring candidate and under
hypnosis while he fired blanks at RFK in the pantry. Fascinating.
So it turns out this guy, he has no memory
whatsoever whenever he's given the trigger phrase during the course
of and it's far more than that. There's this interesting recipe.
It's not only that he's given the trigger phrase audibly,
but there's specifically a woman in a polka dot dress
who is wearing a brand of perfume extraordinarily unique to
the conditioning, and then also provides the trigger phrase audibly
to the individual while touching them him slightly on the
back of the neck behind the ear and whispering the
trigger phrase in the ear of the Manchurian. And so, yeah,
your sensory basically, your sensory input is overloaded, and that
instantly sends you into this psychologically, uh you know, uh,
just as far as the suggestible state of mind that
that you have been in many times before, if you've
been a conditioned Mantarian candidate. So anyway, it's fascinating because
what happens is she leans up to this individual in
the theater, she whispers this as she touches him as well,
and and then he very casually leans down, pulls a
briefcase out from underneath his chair, puts it on his lap,
opens it up, grabs the grabs an actual uh uh
it's a weapon, right, I think it's a handgun, and
it's essentially filled with blanks, obviously, but still he grabs
the handgun, stands up and ever so calmly pulls the
entire clip and then sits back down, puts it in
the case and acts like nothing happened whatsoever. The next day,
I think it was like the next day they bring
him in to the office and him and I think
the director or whatever of the I forget who else
was sitting there with him. Actually, I think it was
actually a very prominent UK TV personality of some kind.
But anyway, and they're sitting there with this individual who
committed that strange, you know, obvious mock assassination, and they
ask him, hey, you remember what happened at the event
at the theater, right, and he's like, yeah, it's you know,
it's great whatever, it's really good time and I appreciated
the yeah, the message or something. And then he's like,
so you don't remember anything strange happening at all, right,
And the guys just has no memory whatsoever. And then
they play the clip of him actually pulling out the
weapon and shooting at Dan Brown on stage, and Dan
Brown even acts like he gets shot. Yeah, he tells
everybody remain calm, but he acts like he gets shot
and everything. And so as he's watching it, the face
of this guy like he's a younger kid, probably in
his twenties. Yeah, and he legitimately could not. It was
like at first he was smiling for a second, but
then the level of shock just was jarring.
Speaker 2: Too, because he was like, I don't remember doing that
at all.
Speaker 3: And then also I think he's he's realizing, like, my god,
if I'm capable of doing something like this unbeknownst to me,
with no actual memory or recollection of this taking place,
anything is possible. And who actually possesses free will? Because
at the end of the day, it becomes a real question.
And I think fundamentally, yeah, free will has been subverted
in many ways with these sophisticated methods. Uh and and
many people are probably you know, unable to even just
conceptualize or acknowledge that fact. But I will shut up
and show you this last thing and then we'll get
out of here. I'm so sorry, Like I said, awesome,
but yeah, I just find it this specifically. Let me
see if I can bring it back up. Is it
actually showing now? I don't think it is? Hold on? Yeah, okay,
it is okay? Cool? All right. So this is Paul
Banasi and obviously he he was an unfortunate victim of
the Franklin scandal. And if you go into hold On
I wanted to pull up one more thing because Paul Banasi,
I feel like just understanding the million dollar lawsuit and
the judgment awarded as well to Banassi during his his
court hearing versus Lawrence E. King who ran the Franklin
Credit the frank And Credit Union basically in Omaha, Nebraska,
which obviously was you know, the site and direct location
and property of a major Well, I think it's an
international child sex trafficking operation, but definitely domestic for sure.
But Banasi suffers from multiple personality disorder, right, and also
he was recruited into and entrapped by the Franklin pedophile
network at the age of twelve years old. This is
according to his personal story. So it was and I
think it was eighty nine when the when Laurence King
was was effectively accused right for the first time, and
he was it was running an underage prostitution ring and
victimizing Paul Banasi at an early ages, early as twelve
years old, and Banasi was allegedly forced to run herd
over the other boys gott in the ring, and he
confessed to playing a role in Johnny Gosh's abduction, right,
which I think is where john Wayngacy comes into the
picture and things of that nature. But he claims that
Johnny Gosh was chloroformed and then as he was abducted,
he was obviously apparently Noreen Gosh. His mother, Right, ended
up meeting with Paul Banassi in jail in order to
hear a story about her son. Yeah, and Banassi he
did multiple revealing interviews right, detailing some of the functions
of the network and how it would operate. And in
one nineteen ninety three interview, he describes being present at
the founding of NAMBLA, the North American Man Boy Love
Association in Boston, in a Boston Catholic church, which fits
that of the Kathy O'Brien narrative a little bit, and
also with NAMBLA. I believe he was Actually this was
the same interview. I think it was Anton Chaitkin or
something was his name who interviewed Banasi, but it was
basically as a witness in the Franklin case. He's implicating
the FBI and US elites in child torture and murder.
And it was reported that Banasi smuggled child pornography into
the Netherlands on behalf of that organization, the North American
Man Boy Love Association NAMBLA, and on behalf of the
NAMBLA members, he's tasked with distributing his child porn internationally,
and these trips were on behalf of NAMBLA, the pedophile
group obviously given some kind of semi official status by
the United Nations, which I don't think is a coincidence,
knowing the level of connection between Michael Lokino and all
these usual suspects, I think, going on these United Nations
diplomatic missions and then engaging in the pink ballets at
a Nazi castle in Belgium where yes, where they're rigged
for audio visual blackmail. But also, uh, this is just
straight up origins with children, you know, right, I mean
it's yeah, it's a fact. And but anyway, so then
you have Paul citing his travel to the Netherlands in
Germany carrying child porn for subsequent import to the US
in order to avoid prosecution. In Amsterdam, he named Charles
Hester and a British guy named Tommy Carter who had
on computer a global list of child pornography users. So yeah,
NAMBLE is also cited for organizing auctions of children, and
I think one of those locations happens to be Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: But I think any Aria is an area.
Speaker 3: For absolutely we'll get into on the next episode. Don't
let me forget to tell you, because this applies to Columbina.
James Holmes as far as I think the origin of
the Monarch project or the Monarch mind control program, and
I think Paul Banassi's reference, and as a witness, he
claims that basically Michael Lokino was was tasked with the
role of running the Monarch Boys and basically founded the
modern Monarch mind control program in the domestic us. But
uh yeah, we can save that one for later, honestly,
because I feel like I'm getting a little long in
the tooth for you, So I just want to show
you this video and then we'll get on out of here.
But this when I watched it, I'm telling you that
I put a different portion of the video in my
actual Franklin Scandal episode, and I think it was more
the one specifically referencing the North American Man Boy Love Association.
But this one for an organization, if you talk about
an organization obviously inherently motivated to groom children in a
way while normalizing pedophilia internationally. I mean, what else could
it be? But yeah, so this you look at this
kid and I just watching all the interviews, he just
comes across like everything that he has to say is
most likely a far more accurate than you would want
to imagine, and the level of trauma that he's endured
his entire life. Just knowing that some of the stories
he told about helping, you know, pick up one of
the one of the boys who had recently been abducted
in Denver while they fly on a private plane and
pick up a director for the child pornography that they're
about to produce, basically with this newly procured victim. And
then Paul's role as the young conditioned victim and also
as a Manchurian candidate because he legitimately was programmed and
given a discive identity disorder and these various alters. He
said he stopped answering the phone because that's how they
would trigger him, just like right, So he said, he
would get the call and they would give them the
trigger phrase and instantly he would be gone and there
was nothing he could do. And so we'll end. We'll
end with the quote from Lynn Hershel, don't let me
forget that about the state of free will and being
a programmed you know, asset, And it's the most it's
so sad, you know, It's just something if you legitimately
take it seriously. I could never imagine going through something
like this. But anyway, just look into the dark recesses
of his eyes, you know what I mean, and see
the pain here.
Speaker 5: Creative body, mother and what's on.
Speaker 6: Ronich is an operation that was created by the United
States government to trade spies for other countries. They used
children for the purpose that they are easily integrated into
multiple personalities cause they can associate. Program was too as
a young man, get adults who were powerful political leaders
into positions where.
Speaker 5: They could be compromised. That was your mission.
Speaker 6: That was the initial mission. The whole mission was for
me to go into the military service and become an
officer in a few years after that, retire from the service,
not retire after twenty years, but after six years, and.
Speaker 5: Moved to Germany. And then the initial plan to take
over or to run the.
Speaker 6: Government was to put me in an ambassador's spot and
then later to come back to.
Speaker 5: The United States and to run for an office and
they would be the ones who controlled certain thing that
I did see you being an operative, so to speak.
I would be a puppet, a puppe up.
Speaker 2: And you say, this plan broke down in nineteen eighty six,
but yet you told me that you still felt that
you were under the control.
Speaker 6: I am still under the control. Because they I do
not answer phones anymore, because that's how they get the
others to the triggers what I'll call them, and not
personalities that contained no memories at all. They would put
in as hypnotic suggestions and only come out win. As
I said, a code is presented to them. And that
happened several times in nineteen eighty nine, which is why
Paul and Mikey's memories are so confused. At that time,
they were attempting to destroy me because they were attempting.
Speaker 5: To access suicidal personalities.
Speaker 6: And other personalized that would get me in trouble lawaw enforcement.
When they programmed the personalities are the triggers, as I
called them.
Speaker 5: They would call me out and they would use a code.
Speaker 6: I would simply switch into that trigger, go to where
they called me to go, whether it would be or
get on their plane because they would already have the
tickets there. They would have the tickets there under a
name that only that trigger would know, and go to
wherever it was there would be somebody waiting for them
in that stage and take them to wherever it was
that they were supposed to go, bring them back to
the airport, put them on the plane. They would come
back home, and as soon as they walked in the door,
the memory of everything that had just happened would be
raised completely.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Anyway, I felt like as soon as I saw it,
did you see the whole thing?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 3: At least? I mean, it's not fascinating and how much
it reinforces everything that we just described as far as
just the film of the mentran Candidate itself. It's something
that I feel like, once you gain a credible glimpse
into exactly how they operate in a certain way, just
as far as the strategic methods that they're so well equipped,
and in terms of just understanding the useful nature and
how they can exploit them to such an extraordinary level.
It's it's something that I just I feel like the
vast majority of us are are so unaware of, right,
and the something that people.
Speaker 2: Like that's something people don't believe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. But yet when you go through the details
of those cases, every which one that that obviously includes
Paul Bannasi specifically. I mean he overlaps into confessions of
a DC Madam by Nick Bryant, right, which is all
about the Craig Spence operation, who was a Republican Party
lobbyist and intelligence asset for the CIA, who effectively was,
you know, endured the worst case of suicide you've ever
seen this sort of thing in a hotel room. I
think Nick Bryant always said that he believes Craig Spence
did kill himself, but it was through force. Basically, they
told him again, they gave him an offer he couldn't refuse.
You're two overexposed. But you know, if you don't kill yourself,
we will, right, And so you decide. And I think
he ultimately left a letter and did decide on killing himself.
But he's no one to I will say more in
in a way due to his sinister background. But I
will say, when you see Henry Vincent, you know who
was essentially this this gay man who was closeted at
the time, and and I guess the nature of the
homosexual community at this throughout this juncture. This uh just
in terms of the timing of of of the cultural acceptance,
I guess you know what I'm saying. It was it
was vastly different than the current environment. But uh, at
the same time, so he just started meeting with like
these these young callboys type of thing and having conversations
with them, and then realizing at one point he he
gets into uh the enterprise itself and he starts to
become a pimp sort of. But uh, yeah, it's very interesting.
And then he gets a call from Craig Vincent and
and or Craig Spence, I mean and and he goes
and sits down with Henry Vincent. And it's very strange
because uh, he inevitably starts bringing him such lucrative right
client tell that he doesn't he obviously doesn't reject this opportunity.
And so I think it was the second time he
met with Craig Spence, Henry Vincent, the operator for this
callboy ring, and he basically at first it was all
above age. It was apparently of age homosexual prostitutes who
he was providing because he knew them and they were
friends and he was trying to keep Allegedly, he's trying
to keep them safe in a way by controlling the racket.
He had business expertise that sort of thing, and he
just wants to reinforce his gay lifestyle to some extent,
I guess. And then he gets involved with this obvious
intelligence asset named Craig Spence, and so Craig Spence bringing
him all these prominent clientele to his operation. In the
second meeting he has with Craig, he goes to his
apartment and I think it was DC and he goes
to his apartment, which happens to have twenty four hour
secret security or Secret Service security detail on site at
his apartment. So Henry Vincent goes into the apartment and
who does he see sitting on Craig Spence's living room couch. Oh,
it just so happened to be Lawrence he King from
the Omaha Franklin. Yes, exactly. And during this time, apparently
when he first went to the apartment, he sits down,
he's having a conversation with him. Feels like Craig Spence
is kind of milking him to expose a little more
than he would want to. Throughout the conversation, and then
he stands up and he says, here, come with me, Henry,
and they go over to this closet. He opens the closet,
he removes a back panel, a false back panel in
the closet and he pushed it to the side and
opens up an entire room with a tripod and a
camera in a two way mirror, and it has all
these security cameras and he says, he shows him and
plays back the conversation they just had. It's like you're
owned now, buddy, Like that's legitimately what happened to Henry Vincent.
So and by the way, you know Debor Jean Palfrey,
she was another madam she's connected to, like uh Sarah
Palin's husband, Uh the Todd Palin I think is his name.
He was He was apparently implicated in attending a broth
brothel just before Debor Jean Palfrey and she was running it.
She again, worst case of suicide you've ever seen. She said,
I'm never going to kill myself if anything happens, questioned
the aftermath that she's found hung to death in like
the out house or like some uh you know barn
or or I think Yeah, that's literally what they're saying,
which is just fascinating. So anyway, I thought that was
worth showing. And then I just want to tell you
this one last statement and then we can close out
if you want. And I appreciate you letting me go
off on. But so when I covered the James Holmes
episode and Aurora Man, I found this book. It was
co authored by this woman named Lynn Hersha and her sister,
and it was given the title Secret Weapons How two
sisters were brainwashed to kill for their country. And she
writes in the book, what angers me is the loss
of control. At any moment, someone could come to me,
be dressed the right way and use the right code,
and I no longer have free will. I will do
anything for that person, anything that person requests. I hate
them for that. Nothing else is as bad as knowing
that I am always out of control, knowing that I
am still a laboratory experiment, a puppet whose strings are
hidden from everyone but my handlers, and I don't yet
know how to break free. And I just felt like,
that's almost how I think that was. It's basically how
I ended my episode because it felt so applicable, you know,
it was just like it resonated with me, man, just
hearing the plight of someone who has gone through something
like this and and then trying to actually consider the
gift that is free will and how much we can
claim possession of that, I mean, and.
Speaker 2: How I think how we don't realize that some people
don't have.
Speaker 3: It exactly exactly, and that's what's so just terrifying about
the concept in general. So I really enjoyed this conversation though,
and I appreciate having you much.
Speaker 2: Before you go to me too. I can't wait. I
think it's gonna be really good, especially with like me
dropping a Columbine episode and then you coming in. I'm
sure you're going to fill in so many gaps, so
it's gonna be a great conversation. Where can everybody find you?
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, thank you, because I always forget to plug
I I can you guys can find me at the
Underclass podcast first of all, obviously, which I'm very proud
of that name. As time goes on, like it just
feels somebody, even I've had patrons reach out and say,
like you should offer a curriculum called the Underclass. I
was like, hey, that's great, but I do really believe
that it's it's uh, you know, I remain in the underclass, right,
this is uh, we all fall perfectly onto that partisan
uh you know, spectrum, and and I I try and
reject that as often as possible, because I do feel
like ideology is a prison and and the moment you
can remove yourself from that, and and at least manufactures
some legitimate core principles and ethical values worthwhile that you
can rely upon as a foundation, you'll be okay, I
think you know, you'll you'll find yourself far less susceptible
and vulnerable to falling into these prelaid and preordained outcomes
and these these these very sophisticated traps psychologically just disrupting
all of global society. So anytime I get to have
a conversation with someone who is as you are, perfectly
willing and open minded and objectively seeking the truth, that's
what inspires me and makes me want to continue down
this path. Because the relationships that I've been able to
cultivate throughout this process, it really means everything to me.
You know, It's like I'm forever grateful, So absolutely, I
really appreciate you for having me on obviously, so thank you.
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming me. I'm really looking forward to
our next conversation. So but of course, until next week,
my friends, stay skeptical and we'll see you all then.
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