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Speaker 2: Hello friends, and welcome back to the rabbit Hole. I'm

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your host Danny, and today we have the pleasure of

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having Austin Wade Pickered on the podcast. He is the

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host of The Underclass podcast, which is a fantastic conspiracy

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podcast if you're looking for a new one. I also

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thank you so much for coming on the rabbit Hole.

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I am so excited to have this conversation about Columbine

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listening to your episode. Actually, I know we were going

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to talk about like the Aurora shooting as well, but

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I don't know if we're going to have time.

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Speaker 3: That is the nature of most of my solo projects, honestly,

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it feels like I don't know at a certain point.

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By the end of it, I could basically spend six

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hours straight talking about almost every one of these subjects.

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And I appreciate that, I guess, but at the same

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time it feels very overwhelming. I have to take a

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little time to decompress, and yeah, remind myself just again

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this is it kind of bogs you down and has

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an overall toll emotionally on even I feel like I've

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said it before, but your soul's in jeopardy at a

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certain point. The level of demoralization attached to the descriptive

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details in these cases, and especially things like child abuse

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or I focus a lot on mass shootings too, and

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the serial killers. I'm basically just trying to poke holes

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in the official narrative that feel very much like a

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manufactured cover up to facilitate a false paradigm effectively in

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terms of the political power paradigm in general. And so

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I spent a lot of my time reflecting on how

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much I guess the reason I started all of this

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is because I felt so disillusioned just by the political

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process in general, and also I basically became philosophically opposed

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to the state in almost every way principally, and so

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it led me down various different rabbit holes in terms

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of even the foundation and the cartoonish origin story of

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that of the foundation of America in general, I think

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we've really been led by the nose into, you know,

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picking off this low hanging fruit and misinterpreting just the

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overall structure of society, and therefore we never can focus

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or identify and acknowledge properly, you know, the root cause

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and the true crux of our issues. So that honestly,

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I'm just witnessing this level of psychological warfare that I

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never thought could have been sophisticated and effectively, you know,

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evolved to such just a vital and useful factor in

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terms of the disruption and really the destabilization and disruption

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of modern society. And that falls perfectly into the playbook

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of modern Gladiol in the Strategy of Tension, and so

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I always referenced that specifically because I feel like so

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much of these major high impact events and let's just say,

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emotion arousing violent false flags, as we were just discussing privately, Yes,

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it's hard not to at the very least kind of

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that becomes your starting point in a way, after you've

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been overexposed to so many of the plausible alternative narratives

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to these major impactful events. And so it led me

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down the path of and I had when I was

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investigating the omar Matine network and the Pulse night club shooting,

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I discovered that Michael Akino, who's a prolific predator and

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lieutenant colonel of military intelligence and psychological Warfare operative right

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very key in terms of being a prominent figure. And

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I believe he ran and even potentially set up the

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domestic monarch mind control program effectively, uh, you know, uh,

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stabling these and these young children who who obviously fit

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up a specific character profile or are just undocumented children

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they have easy access to or also fit the profile

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of not having the parental guardians in place or or

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the proper structure at home. So uh, they obviously are

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a little bit more vulnerable in terms of being priority targets.

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Psychology of Victory is the name of the book that

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was co authored by Michael Lokino and Paul E. Vali

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and and Paul V. Laley. Happens to have been involved

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to directly into the nine to eleven attacks and even

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the original terrorist attacks that obviously was was. It was

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very interesting because it was the exact same network fundamentally

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whenever you reveal the individual perpetrators that would effectively be

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tied back in, with Abu Taba being one of the

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individual perpetrators who effectively was an FBI informant and worked

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for the CIA, but allegedly had a falling out and

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turns out he was tasked with creating an Islamic radicalization

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seminary pipeline online digitally that they could then obviously attempt

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to gain easy access to to obvious UH vulnerable individuals

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with psychological disorders, even which Homer Mautine fit much more

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of the bill of like a James Holmes or an

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Adam Lanza who has strange parents with military intelligence backgrounds

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and and things of that nature. So it all seems

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to effectively overlap the end of the day in terms

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of the playbook and the pattern recognition.

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Speaker 2: Right that you bring up Fort Bragg because was it

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last year, two years ago when there was the New

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Year's Day like attacks, and both the guys from New

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Orleans and from Las Vegas they were both tied back

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to Port Bragg. And then uh, why am I blinking

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on his name right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, McVay exactly.

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Speaker 2: Tied back to Fort Bragg as well.

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Speaker 3: Mm hmm. And you see that strange picture from the

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new latest document dump and Epstein Files photo dump or

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whatever you want to call it, the false transparency, I

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guess we get a we get a brief. I think

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it was a photo of the dental chair. Uh, this

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strange room in Epstein's, one of Epstein's properties, and there

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are all these very interesting mass on the walls right

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that that reminded me of the Eyes White Shop party clearly,

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and in uh, in Stanley Kubrick's film, it's hard not

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to see similar just similarities there. And and then also

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it really is I think the best example and and

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really the it was the case that sent me reeling

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into this just finally acknowledging that there is a very

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well entrenched and well established pedophile underworld, unfortunately propped up

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by the intelligence apparatus, and I think not understanding that

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the black market is so valuable in terms of lining

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the pockets of the black budget operations and beyond that.

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you're just considering the enterprise as a whole, I mean,

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this is honestly, it turns into an umbrella enterprise that

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effectively involves mind control. You know, mass shootings, MK, ultra

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drug running. You know, you have the human trafficking pedophilia

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aspect of it, and then obviously you have child pornography

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that is you usually utilized in this context as well.

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satanic ritual abuse, Like every single aspect of it seems

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to at least expose itself or become overwhelmingly revealed and

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exposed throughout the context of this Minister details. Whenever you

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look into the witness accounts or the court testimony and

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or court documents that never seemed to gain the proper

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spotlight in the mainstream media or or ever be you know,

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properly introduced or even promoted whatsoever, for just the general

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public to gain some sort of legitimate understanding, uh and

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be able to rely upon their critical thinking skills which

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obviously have been conditioned out of them. And another reason

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why not only I mean, I think I wrote, yeah,

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I was covering Columbine, because this is the first thought

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that I had was public school is the equivalent of

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voluntarily placing your child in state custody. Right, And that's

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just my personal opinion I had. I had a very

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I'm very blessed, I would say, just because I feel

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like I had a great instincts, you know. And and

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in terms of rejecting authority from a very early age,

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I think that that led me down some very difficult

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paths in terms of my early life. But at the

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end of the day, I very much appreciate just that

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that yeah, strange inherent objection that I had, and because

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it did ultimately lead me to this point. And and

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so I didn't have the best or easiest time, I

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would say, and going through public school, and and I

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seem to buck the trend or the system in general.

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and I thank my parents for that as well, because

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as as I think their intentions were always beautiful, because

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they were great people ethically, but the naivete is there,

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and and that's just a product of propaganda and and

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ideal logical subversion in the two party paradigm that really

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leaks into every aspect of your ability to conceptualize or

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or have a philosophical perspective worthwhile on any given subject.

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try and engage intent more than anything right in terms

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of engaging the character of an individual, and if they

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mean well and have just been deceived overwhelmingly to embracing

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these bad ideas and typically falling into the trap of

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defending against anyone who criticizes these political puppets who clearly

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do not have their best interest at heart, and they

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will even they will even destroy relationships within the family

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unit and the family dynamic in order to run that

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strain psychological defense mechanism that they cannot seem to reject.

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Speaker 2: I think they're trying to destroy the nuclear family. Like

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that's the point, absolutely. And what's interesting is like when

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we were going to school, public school was like it

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homeschooling wasn't even really like an option. People thought it

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was weird. Now thank God for COVID, Like so many

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people have turned to homeschooling, that it's like this whole

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movement and people are waking up to like how corrupt

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the public school system is and how it is really

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just like them and doctrin any of your kids, and

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also the government taking custody exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And and so I like to always kind of

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at least reference the Phoenix program and Michael Aquino's concept

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of the mind war, as far as the psyop doctrine

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that they wanted to manifest and implement upon the general public,

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as far as just the consequential nature of these events

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and how they're leveraged against us. So I think they

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and and following the Church Committee hearings, everybody feigns this

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false sense of accountability, as if we were offered a

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true window of transparency into the actual behavioral modification. It's

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just laughable. It really is. At face value, you should

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be able to easily dismiss that. And and but as

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to even begin to redefine your your perspective in a way,

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you know. And and yeah, so it's it's interesting to

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just see the level of influence that it still has

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this very day. And and I believe that Frank Church

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during the Church Committee hearings was actually blackmailed through an

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operation set up by Alan Doles And there's a legitimately

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documented Man, Yeah, there was a sinister subproject. Because obviously

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m culture that we're aware of. And beyond the thousands

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of incriminating documents destroyed by Richard Helms, who was the

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director of the CIA at that time, and he was

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tasked with that exact right terms of yeah, yeah, destroy

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all the most incriminating documents that would effectively expose our methods.

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first order of business would have been to destroy all

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of the sexual blackmail files or at least the you know,

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strategic methods that you've utilized throughout these these operations and

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evolving the techniques.

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Speaker 2: I don't think they destroyed them.

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Speaker 3: I don't either well sphysically displaced them. Yeah, now you're

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Speaker 2: Of such valuable information, like all these people know, you're

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Speaker 3: Of that exactly. Yeah. I think more of what I

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that from for public knowledge purposes, obviously you would want

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you would try and remove all of those documents from

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ever being a part of the document dumps and revealed

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later on through the hearings. And uh, and so yeah,

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Speaker 2: But that guy is such a creep. I have not

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like I keep leading back to Alan Dos and I'm like, man, this.

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what's crazy is is that this came through two victims,

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specifically who went on the record in the nineteen fifties

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and this was through the Artochoke documents that we actually

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found some evidence. But there was a sinister subproject allegedly

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that was basically created under Alan Doles, and what he

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was attempting to do is essentially he was trying to

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utilize a human honeypot operation, but utilizing child prostitutes obviously.

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that systematically they had not yet attempted to basically promote

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this within in terms of internally within the agency itself

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as an effective and plausible rights operational solution of some

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kind that we could activate at any given moment considering

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the circumstances. And so yeah, just really realizing that one

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of the individuals was named Claudia Mullin I believe was

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her name, and the the I think the other girl

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her name was Carol Ruts I think, And and so yeah,

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Claudia Mullin for sure, but I think it's Carol Ruts

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is the other girl's name, because the CIA had allegedly

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arranged for Carol Uh to be This is so strange

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because it was they were effectively blackmailing her grandfather who

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basically was a producer of child pornography at the time,

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along with one of her uncles apparently, And so this

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reminds me every time of the pathe O'Brien's story, which

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the case where she she claimed that her her father

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was a pedophile and basically was was promoting and producing

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child pornography and was then brought up well, he was

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basically brought into custody through that process and while he

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was being interrogated, they gave him an offer he could

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not refuse, basically, And so this is what I think of,

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right in terms of a possibility of what happened to

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Carol Ruts's grandfather and uncle who were obviously involved in

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this enterprise. And so what Kathie O'Brien claimed was that

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her father was then obviously accepted the offer, so therefore

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he wouldn't endure any criminal charges of any kind. He

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would basically be let go free as long as he

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would remain an asset. In terms of this sadistic sentence,

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their operation being conducted domestically within the US, which obviously

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it's it's extraordinarily naive to even mention this, but at

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the same time, it's like this is this is entirely

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in opposition to the charter, the very CIA's charter in

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terms of running domestic operations within the US. No, it's

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supposed to be illegal.

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Speaker 2: It is illegal, Like they can't do it. But yeah,

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every single time not every single time, but a lot

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of the times that I'm finding things about the CIA,

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I'm like, this is on American soil. Like this operation

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that I'm reporting on right now happened here, Like this

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is not c I A territory I just covered. I

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just I just finished Project Stargate, Oh gosh, and so

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like you know, like this was happening here, the CIA

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is running it. Well, they covered it. They covered it

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by saying it was a d D Yeah, d I

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Speaker 3: But that's it. So they utilize the right exactly, or

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Office Naval Intelligence occasionally as well throughout the history. Yeah,

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it's hilarious, but it feels like a very convenient, uh

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strategy of providing themselves with plausible deniability, right, and so

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I think that's exactly what I forget the professor's name

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from UC Berkeley, who sent a letter basically to the

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Congressman Leo Ryan's aide who was murdered in a poor

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Cayuma airstrip in an assassination when he was luered down

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to Guyana and the remote jungles to the People's Temple

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agricultural project that was Jonestown exactly. And and it turns

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out there's there's an essay basically that this professor had

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authored called the Penal Colony, and he claims that mk

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Ultra during the Church Committee hearings, just like many of

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the CIA's covert Clindestine operations of this kind, were strategically

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driven underground into various cult organizations for purposes of plausible deniability,

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so they could still conduct this operation, uh with with

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no real oversight. And so it just, uh it goes

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to show that I think there's there's no way around

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the notion that that this has been a strategic way

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of attempting to uh you save face as the agency

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is concerned, but but also continue on this very path

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of controlling the outcome in every way in terms of

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modern society. So yeah, but and as far as the

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uh Carol Rutts, I think it is interesting because her

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grandfather was apparently paid this major sum of money. Oh

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and and just to finish the Kathy O'Brien point. So

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her father, right, he accepts this offer, and then he

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essentially is is given some some kind of uh training

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with the Catholic clergy in Boston, Massachusetts, and and also

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some yeah exactly, and also some individuals with ties to

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military intelligence. And so then he goes back home and

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he implements these techniques on his five year old daughter, right,

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and what does he do. He rapes her at five

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years old, wearing a mask. And what she claimed was

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this was a viable way to implement his sociative identity

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disorder within a child victim. Prepubescent is the age range

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they always tend to target in order because apparently they're

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far more susceptible to the method of apparently the subconscious

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pathways being splintered into these altered personalities. This is far

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more effective in the pre pubescent age range, apparently triggering

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the flight or fight response within the victim throughout the

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traumatic abuse. It's terrible stuff, and honestly, I feel like,

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you know, I have some some kind of just I

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feel like I have the need to understand the legitimate

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use of these techniques, if only to properly manufacture the

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defense mechanism in order to realize the formidable threat we

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do face in a way, and I think only through

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that can you at least attempt to, at to the

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best of your ability, you know, defend against this extraordinary

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threat and live accordingly basically, right, and I structure your

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life in that way. And and so that's the main

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reason I think I've overexposed myself to a lot of this,

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because otherwise there have been moments, I mean, even in

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the De Trol specifically in the De Troth episode that

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I did I can't remember now what the beast of

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Belgium I think is what I called it. And yeah,

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just reading through the X Dossier, like what happened to

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Regina Love, like the I've never in my life read

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something where I legitimately I had to stop, you know,

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and just in that moment and basically curse at the computer,

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you know, from what I knew I was about to read, right,

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which so dark. Yeah, I'm talking beastiality things that it's

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just it's the worst of the worst. You couldn't even

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conceptualize it in the darkest fantasy. And until you legitimately

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read through what potentially and I believe legitimately did happen

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to these girls? And man, it leaves you with this

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overwhelming sense of we have a legitimate role to play

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in terms of exposing some of the darkest and depraved,

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right just perpetrators and pedophiles in all of modern society.

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And I think through doing so, you can at the

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very least look yourself in the mirror and realize that

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when you came face to face with that darkness, you

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didn't bury your head back in the sand. Because it

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does feel like ignorance is bliss at a certain point

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when it comes to this, And it's a lot easier

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to just run away kicking and screaming due to the

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emotional effect. But at the end of the day, I

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try and excuse it due to the level of abuse

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and trauma the victims themselves endure. And who am I

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to act as if I am? So I have such

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a delicate sensibility that I can't even you know, expose

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myself to that level of abuse that they actually physically endured,

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you know. And so anyway, that's that's just the way

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that I look at it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll cover something and then I'm like, wow, I

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need a break, because like, like that was a lot,

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and so then I'll do like other conspiracies that have

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nothing to do with like chot, like children and all

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the pedophile stuff, and I'm like, I need a break,

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but then I'll do it again because there's just so

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many and there's just so much and it all has

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to be exposed. And like, unfortunately, I've found like right now,

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I have a bunch of information and I don't have

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like a way or like an episode necessarily to consolidate

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it into two put it out there. And so I'm

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like just sitting on this like waiting to figure out

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how to use it. I don't know, but I go,

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I do it a ways because I can't if I

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do it, if I do too much, then like I'll

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lose myself a.

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Speaker 3: Little bit exactly, I know. Yeah, man, And that was

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the reason that I decided to pivot to Columbine. I thought, well,

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it'll be easier. There won't be any pedophilia involved here.

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Little did I know, you know, it's like, my god,

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there might have been a child sex ring operating in

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the area at the time that was connected to the

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Trench Cope mafia. So just but yeah, anyway, I might

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as well finish this last point on Carol Rutz, because

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it does at least kind of help provide again a

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very detailed, just opportunistic window into how these individuals utilize

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this strategy, you know, and again human honeypots utilizing child

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prostitutes as early as the late nineteen forties, which that

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makes a lot of sense of just understanding the level

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of what was learned from Nazi Germany in terms of

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mind control. And also I think that's really the origin

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story of how Monarch was invented, Monarch mind control and

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the Monarch Boys that it's very interesting, but it does

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seem like it came from Nazi Germany in a certain way.

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And basically the timing of this makes a lot of sense.

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We're talking Nazi breeding experiments, and I find it fascinating.

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This is something that I found from David Livingstone. I

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think it's a it's a pseudonym, but he has a

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website called Order. It's basically Latin for Order out of Chaos, right,

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So it's very occult themed, but it seems to be

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always exposing be a cult within the context of these

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criminal cases and things of that nature. And he has

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an entire investigative article about Discordianism, right, and Carry Thornley.

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And this is interesting because Carry Thornley was allegedly an

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impersonator of Oswald in Louisiana during leading up to the

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JFK assassination. And this is according to Jim Garrison, who's

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investigating the case obviously at the time. And yeah, he

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claims that he was a product of a Nazi breeding

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experiment with apparently Lee Harvey Oswald, right, And whenever you

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it honestly does. And it's hard not to take it

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seriously in a way, right, especially after you kind of

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look at this picture that I discovered when I was

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actually reading through it. It's fascinating. So Thornley, he was

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apparently told that his brother was Lee Harvey Oswald and

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that their father was Admiral Carl Donnets. Okay, he's a

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Nazi admiral who briefly succeeded Hitler in nineteen forty five.

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So Thornley became convinced that he and Lee Harvey Oswald

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were products of MK ultra to create a quote Manchurian candidate,

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and that one of his handlers, two mysterious middle aged

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men named Gary Kerstein and Slim Brooks. He Thorny later

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even claimed to believe that Kirstein had in reality been

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senior CIA officer in future Watergate burglar E Howard Hunt. Okay,

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so just understanding that E. Howard Hunt was working for

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the Mullening Company at that time, which was a CIA

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cut out for plausible deniability for the third retirement from

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the agency, Hilarius, Right, and following the jfk assassination, when

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he had no alibi for where he was at, because

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clearly he was in Dallas that day and everyone who

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was effectively a part of it seems to implicate him

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as running point, as being the point man on the

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ground in Dallas.

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Speaker 2: And.

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Speaker 3: Right, and he actually used his family as an alibi,

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and his wife was a long standing member of Dorothy

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Hunt was a member of military intelligence as well, and

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had even become a pay mistress during the Watergate scandal,

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and was effectively, uh yeah, basically trying to get really

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trying to squeeze as much money out of the Nixon

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administration at the time as possible. It was very interesting, yeah, exactly.

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And and what does he Howard Hunt do right after Dallas?

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He goes home and he visits a plastic surgeon and

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he gets his ears pinned back because he allegedly had

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very identifiable ears that were unique and and so he yeah,

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he thought he would be identified by some of the

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witnesses on the ground that day, who most of which

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met a very untimely demised following the day. Yeah, and uh,

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and so he was concerned specifically, I think one of

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the one woman witness I think would have been able

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to identify him by his ears. And so he had

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this plastic surgery done and then used his family for

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an alibi, and later on his son, Saint John Hunt

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is his son's name. He's done a lot of different

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interviews actually just kind of exposing some of this, but

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still attempting to somehow maintain his father's just reputation. I guess,

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I don't know. It's very strange. But at the same time,

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he himself claims that alibi was completely made up and

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that his father was in Dallas and he was not

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actually at home whenever the assassination took place. That's just

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00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:35,759
funny to me, Yeah, covering the stuff up, especially knowing

479
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:39,759
I Howard Hunts from Operation forty with Frming Sturgis and

480
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:43,440
all these different individuals who who later On claimed that

481
00:33:43,599 --> 00:33:50,000
actually Watergate in the burglary was was apparently about finding

482
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,680
the photos of the blackmail photos that were apparently at

483
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,000
the DNC the Watergate complex, because there had been a

484
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,559
sexual blackmail operations set up a block away through the

485
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:04,119
Columbia Plaza apartments.

486
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 4: Right, yes, yes, yes, operation the White House called girl

487
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,119
Heidie Reichen who apparently was the daughter of a Nazi

488
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:16,559
SSU boat captain and came over through Operation paper Clip

489
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:17,840
and spoke fluent German.

490
00:34:20,639 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 3: Then became one of the I forget what they called them,

491
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:29,159
but it was very uncommon for women to be in

492
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,159
in the military at this time, right, and so I

493
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:35,000
forget the name of women in the military, but they

494
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:39,199
had a specific name, and and so she obviously joins

495
00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:43,000
the military and becomes an interpreter as being able to

496
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,519
speak such fluent German. And then later on she's in

497
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,320
she's in Dallas during the time of the JFK assassination,

498
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:54,119
palain around and actually attending one of the parties the

499
00:34:54,239 --> 00:35:01,639
night before the assassination took place with with Lyndon Johnson.

500
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 2: Right, imagine that that guy's.

501
00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 3: So exactly he told the Joint chiefs of Staff in

502
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,880
the generals right after the assassination, he's sworn in and

503
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,320
he turns and looks at them, and as he's walking past,

504
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,320
he says, you boys can have your your war now,

505
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,960
right because Vietnam was one hundred percent they were withdrawing

506
00:35:21,079 --> 00:35:22,119
until that time, right.

507
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 2: So Kennedy was like, no way, we're out of this,

508
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,199
and Johnson's like, let's.

509
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 3: Go exactly and just knowing that it was Clint Merchson Senior,

510
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,519
I believe, who owned the Dallas Cowboys. Okay, so another

511
00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:39,519
window and how they were apparently utilizing Heidie Reichen for

512
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,960
she was basically Glene Maxwell with her own little black book,

513
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:47,400
and she had sexual blackmail assets that she had compromised

514
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,719
in this book. And they were very prominent. We're talking,

515
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,599
you know, politicians of high prominence, and then you have businessmen.

516
00:35:55,800 --> 00:36:00,679
You have apparently high level professional athletes as well, which

517
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,159
I found interesting and I forget the names of them

518
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:05,519
at the time, but they were done.

519
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,039
Speaker 2: That's the same playbook they used, like over and over

520
00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:11,880
and over, and so like that's Gleainne Maxwell. You mentioned her,

521
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,760
but like the original Glainne Maxwell, but there's probably somebody

522
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,400
before her too, Like they just keep doing this over

523
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,400
and over and over. That way they can keep control

524
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:19,960
over people.

525
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:23,639
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. I know, and I think it goes back

526
00:36:23,679 --> 00:36:26,480
even farther than the eighteenth century health fire clubs, But

527
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:29,559
I know that that that was a major resource for

528
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:34,079
this strategy being you know, implemented and very well established

529
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:38,920
as a fundamental playbook moving forward. And so yeah, it's

530
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:43,480
it's very interesting to obviously understand all of that and

531
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,559
realizing the Howard Hunts a part of Operation forty, and

532
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,039
understanding that not only was Clint Merchison Senior hosting that

533
00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:56,320
party with all the usual suspects just before the assassination,

534
00:36:56,519 --> 00:37:00,679
but his son, Clint Merchiston Junior, was also hosting a

535
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:04,920
party that very same night with Heidi Reichen apparently in

536
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,639
attendance at the other party. At this party, you had

537
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,360
Lee Harvey Oswald. Okay, you had Officer JD. Tippett, who

538
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:16,840
was allegedly Lee Harvey Oswald's shot when he was escaping

539
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,119
as as a superhero, all these incredible feats that no

540
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,519
human being could potentially actually, you know, if you look

541
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:27,239
at the official narrative, it's like the man was able

542
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,000
to fly. It didn't even make sense. And he he.

543
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 2: Wasn't a shot, Like he was a terrible shot. But

544
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:38,800
you look at like his history prior to JFK's assassination,

545
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,880
like it doesn't even make any sense. This guy would

546
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,000
not have been able to kill jfkf he was standing

547
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:45,480
in front of him.

548
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and apparently he missed. He'd like misfired his rifle

549
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,760
when he was out on patrol at at while he

550
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,239
was stationed at Atsugi Air Force Base in Japan. This

551
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,800
is the exact same Air Force base where they were

552
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,400
running the fake defector program just before Lee Harvey Oswald

553
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:07,760
was sent to the Soviet Union on an intelligence dangle

554
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:11,440
where everywhere the U two spy plane went, Lee Harvey

555
00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:15,239
Oswald went, And he was telling these stories to individuals

556
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,280
connected to the KGB as if this is what a

557
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,320
dangle is as far as an intelligence dangle, you offer

558
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,719
them a legitimate intelligence, right, but obviously it's what you've

559
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:33,679
been told to offer to effectively gain credibility with these assets.

560
00:38:34,159 --> 00:38:37,679
And then by the end of it, every single person

561
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,480
who he came into contact with said that guy is

562
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,320
an intelligence operative, like every single way it was a

563
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:49,519
military Yeah, and a military intelligence plane actually flew him home.

564
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,920
He didn't go through customs. Nothing right, and nobody ever

565
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,760
acknowledges that, which is fascinating. I think Lisa Piece maybe

566
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:01,960
was the individual who mentioned this, uh, the author of

567
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,519
a lie too big to fail on the RFK assassination.

568
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:08,199
And she still claims that Sir han Was was firing

569
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,000
blanks in the Ambassador Hotel that night in the pantry

570
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:16,079
as a measure of the distractionary measure, let's say, in

571
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:18,280
order for than Eugene Czar to get off the real

572
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,159
shots point blank range just behind r f K as

573
00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:23,960
he pulls him back down on top of him, and

574
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,239
then he gets rid of the weapon that he used

575
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,960
in that hit as well. Because than Eugene Czar is

576
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,079
connected to Howard Hughes. Robert Mayhew was the fixer for

577
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:37,559
Howard Hughes. He ran a security company at this time

578
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:43,920
which was apparently staffing mob hitman for priority targeted assassinations

579
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:48,960
on behalf of the intelligence UH and apparatus. It's it's insane.

580
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,039
Speaker 2: And that's what he was saying. He was like, it

581
00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:54,159
was the mafia, I did it, yea.

582
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: And the CIA, you know, always.

583
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,559
Speaker 2: The CIA is always like the one in alloying them,

584
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:03,559
but they're like, how can we put a level of

585
00:40:03,639 --> 00:40:07,719
like pausbile deniability between us and the assassination?

586
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:13,559
Speaker 3: So the exactly the mafia always right, right, But that's

587
00:40:13,559 --> 00:40:18,239
why I always reference uh Paul Williams book Operation Gladiol

588
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:24,199
Uh the Unholy Alliance between the the I think it's

589
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:28,519
this mafia, the Vatican, and the CIA. There's something like that, right,

590
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:31,719
It's those three entities that are specifically referenced in the title.

591
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,840
And it's perfect because that's exactly what we see, is

592
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:40,280
this unholy alliance taking place, and the essentially, you know,

593
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,800
just witnessing the ability of of just as far as

594
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,519
like Robert Mayhew, you know, he comes up so so

595
00:40:48,599 --> 00:40:51,599
many different times involved with the Mormon mafia and all

596
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:55,480
of this, and and he would apparently was the individual

597
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:58,639
who made the meeting happen and arranged the meeting between

598
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:04,480
all of the most prominent organized crime uh mafioso members,

599
00:41:04,599 --> 00:41:09,639
essentially the leaders of these these criminal syndicates, and traffic

600
00:41:09,639 --> 00:41:12,000
Conte was one of them. There were a few different

601
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,639
individuals who were arranged in this meeting to sit down

602
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:20,079
with individual operatives within the CIA to form an alliance,

603
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,000
and they called one of them was the Opfice of

604
00:41:23,079 --> 00:41:27,480
Naval Intelligence called it Operation Underworld, and and this was

605
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,599
how they formed an alliance with the mafia. And so yeah,

606
00:41:31,639 --> 00:41:35,800
in no way I view RF case assassination. I mean,

607
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,880
you see Malcolm X's MLK, they're all dying. At the

608
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,840
same time, it felt.

609
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,559
Speaker 2: Like all these people were like, let's get rid of

610
00:41:43,599 --> 00:41:46,920
anybody that opposes our narrative, and that then was a

611
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,039
really good time to do it because people didn't like

612
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:51,840
yes with JFK, people like that was weird, but like

613
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,119
everybody else are like, oh he was they were just killed.

614
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 3: They were just it's ridiculous. And there's a quote from

615
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:04,480
hl Mankin that I found the other day, and I

616
00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:07,880
think i'd quoted him in maybe it was the Waco

617
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,119
episode that I did a few years ago and Ruby.

618
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 2: Ridge what good? So good?

619
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, so fuck like Ruby Ridge okay see uh and

620
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,280
Waco those specifically woke me up. You know.

621
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 2: Well then it takes you like because you have Waco

622
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:31,960
and then you have okay see and then what to

623
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:37,039
four years later you have Columbine Exactly.

624
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,639
Speaker 3: I think that you basically have the shift happening whenever,

625
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:47,039
because obviously there was pat Con happening in terms of

626
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:50,199
the early nineties. And I think what they really wanted

627
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:57,679
was two, uh, basically destroy any sort of grassroots movements

628
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:03,239
in terms of the specifically the right wing militias that

629
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,079
were forming at the time. And and I think that

630
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,920
was a major key for running pat Con because it

631
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:14,239
was just basically an extension of of co Intel Pro,

632
00:43:14,679 --> 00:43:20,000
which was obviously the very same playbook, just targeting the

633
00:43:20,119 --> 00:43:23,039
left in a different way, right, And so that was

634
00:43:23,079 --> 00:43:27,440
what the SLA was and all these strange even infiltrating

635
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:32,000
the Black Panthers and everything. It just it was a

636
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:38,079
major operation in terms of clandestine domestically, and I think

637
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:42,679
it disrupted the legitimate path of modern society and the

638
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:46,039
way in which they hoped it would. And and hl

639
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:48,920
Mankin said this, and it reminded me of we were

640
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,679
just talking about Peter Tiel and Epstein and even Peter

641
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,480
Tiel's father, Klaus Teel, is like a chemical engineer from

642
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:01,599
Nazi Germany. His his mother is a parentparently of Polish descent.

643
00:44:02,639 --> 00:44:06,079
We can't find out much about her. She's she's a homemaker,

644
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:09,000
that's all we know. And then it turns out that

645
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,360
his father comes over in sixty eight when Peter is

646
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,480
a one year old and then they moved down to

647
00:44:15,559 --> 00:44:20,159
apartheid South Africa and he runs a uranium mine, and

648
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:26,280
this uranium mine ends up apparently utilizing a racially motivated

649
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,199
slave labor during that time, and yeah, and what exactly

650
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,559
what was the what were the uranium mines doing? Financed

651
00:44:34,559 --> 00:44:38,400
by the British aristocracy as well. It turns out this

652
00:44:38,559 --> 00:44:42,400
is the same apparently as the same enterprise and operation

653
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,400
in terms of the mining operation that was happening that

654
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:48,440
helped with Hitler's regime at the time as well. But

655
00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:53,440
then when Klaus Steel took over, they're apparently providing the

656
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:57,519
uranium for the nuclear weapons program for apartheid South Africa,

657
00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:02,559
but also applying the uranian or supplying the uranium for

658
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,159
the nuclear weapons programs for all these other various countries

659
00:45:06,199 --> 00:45:09,960
as well, which are living under these dictatorships and things

660
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:14,440
of that nature. And it became a major scandal. But anyway,

661
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,559
it's just fascinating to me to see that it looked

662
00:45:17,599 --> 00:45:20,199
as if he comes over in sixty eight, spends two

663
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:22,960
years in the US and then gets sent down in

664
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,360
some military intelligence operation to run a slave mind to

665
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:33,320
provide weapons of mass destruction to various countries. Yeah, that

666
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:38,239
are specifically prioritized, and yeah it again none of this

667
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,480
is by accident. And I think that there is definitely

668
00:45:42,519 --> 00:45:46,880
this generational family dynamic that plays into the power of

669
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,159
to ball and the permanent establishment.

670
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: So I felt that with lots of the major families

671
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,199
where they're like, like even the Rothschilds, for a long

672
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,480
time they were just marrying each other, like the cousins,

673
00:45:58,559 --> 00:46:01,599
because they're like, let's keep it the fan. And now

674
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:04,920
they kind of mary outside the family, but still like

675
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,840
there's some weird marriages there.

676
00:46:07,079 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 3: Oh. Yeah, absolutely. I was reading The World Order Our

677
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:16,360
Secret Rulers by Eustace Moulins the other day and just

678
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:19,880
kind of reading back up on it, you know, because

679
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,880
it's such an interesting book, man. But I'm telling you,

680
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,400
in chapter two it's fascinating because it's it's titled The

681
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:32,159
Rothschilds and it's a mera meya. Rothschild is a quote

682
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:35,039
that starts the chapter and it says, let me but

683
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,400
issue and control a nation's money, and I care not

684
00:46:38,519 --> 00:46:42,360
who writes its laws, right, And it just goes into

685
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:46,800
how essentially the modern world's financial system and updating of

686
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,159
the Babylonian monetary system of taxes and money creation was

687
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,480
perfected in frankfort On, Maine, in the province of Hesse.

688
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,719
And it talks about the Rothschild's involvement of all that.

689
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,920
And I'm telling you it's it's a uh. I would

690
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,039
encourage everyone to go out and get a copy of

691
00:47:03,039 --> 00:47:05,639
that because it's really not it's not even a long book,

692
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:09,440
and it's not very expensive either, but it's uh. You

693
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:13,519
pair that with the Committee of three hundred by doctor Coleman.

694
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:15,679
I believe it's his name, John Coleman. I think I

695
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,639
can't remember now, but yeah. Then you see the motp

696
00:47:19,679 --> 00:47:23,679
Pelleran Society and the Seni Foundation, and all of these,

697
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,679
even the Pilgrim Society and the Anglo American Establishment, the

698
00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:33,039
Society of the Cincinnati, all of these are are fraternal

699
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:37,719
organizations a powerful influence that have have, more than anyone

700
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:43,119
could understand, paved the way for this dystopian landscape. And

701
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,000
if it weren't for these policy steering organizations that have

702
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:52,599
no directional oversight and legitimately are unelected bureaucrats man, I mean,

703
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:53,119
this is the.

704
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: Bureaucratic non governmental and so it's like all these I

705
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,239
mean I'm covering uh or, I was working on the

706
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,519
the one thousand and one Club, which is this like

707
00:48:02,639 --> 00:48:10,199
non governmental organization that is allegedly just to give funds

708
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:15,159
to the World Wildlife Fund, which you're like, when you

709
00:48:15,199 --> 00:48:18,000
look at the people that are in this club, the

710
00:48:18,039 --> 00:48:22,320
one thousand and one Club, You're like, what, There's no

711
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:26,079
way they just got together these people specifically and decided

712
00:48:26,119 --> 00:48:30,119
to give money the conservation like that is wild And

713
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:34,920
so there's so many like the Builder Group and Trilateral Commission.

714
00:48:35,039 --> 00:48:37,400
You got all these different things where you're like, there's

715
00:48:37,559 --> 00:48:40,280
no way that you guys are just like a think

716
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:41,920
tank committee. What are you thinking about?

717
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,199
Speaker 3: Exactly?

718
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: What is the thought?

719
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 3: And that's that's what I think whenever I covered the

720
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,480
Committee of three hundred. I mean, he went into the

721
00:48:55,519 --> 00:48:59,079
Council on Foreign Relations, the Royal Institute of International Affairs,

722
00:48:59,079 --> 00:49:03,159
how Chatham House basically chose our presidents for generations. He

723
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:06,199
even tells the story of how he was an intelligence

724
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:09,519
to operative and he gained insight by reading through these

725
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:13,599
these uh these documents, right, And it's very interesting because

726
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:17,000
he he essentially goes over how he viewed these top

727
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:21,280
secret classified documents which were unusually explicit. And this was

728
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,199
during his time as a political science officer in the

729
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:29,360
field in Angola, West Africa. So again Angola very much

730
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,639
as Cia Black op which which by the way, looms

731
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,199
large behind that of apartheid South Africa. And what was

732
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,800
happening there with during the time of Peter Teel's little

733
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:46,280
German enclave where they're only speaking fluent German, and and

734
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,480
somebody even claimed that when they went there they were

735
00:49:49,559 --> 00:49:52,400
they were greeted. There's many different articles claiming they were

736
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:59,320
greeted casually with a hal Hitler yeah sighil And it's

737
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,400
just like, oh my, yeah, you're like yeah, I just

738
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:06,760
thought Colonia Dignidad instantly. And what happened following World War

739
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,119
Two and just the aftermath post war, how the Nazi

740
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:13,880
draft took place and all these Nazi safe havens and

741
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:17,239
enclaves were essentially set up geographically all throughout the world,

742
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,199
one of which was in Chile through Operation Condor, and

743
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:27,000
they were running Colonia Dignidad, which was they had crazy

744
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,719
border fences with razor wire on the top. They basically

745
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,079
had a subterranean bunker system as well, which Paul Schaeffer

746
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:38,519
was a prolific pedophile who was a member of the SS.

747
00:50:39,079 --> 00:50:42,599
He fled Germany post war, went to Chile, set up

748
00:50:42,599 --> 00:50:47,639
this Colonia Dignidad and then essentially had an airstrip was

749
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:51,320
flying in. Apparently they claimed that Tamengola himself flew in

750
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,039
and stayed there for a time, and there were all

751
00:50:53,079 --> 00:50:56,400
these rumors that Hitler even spent time there, and they

752
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:57,400
had documents that.

753
00:50:57,360 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 2: Were discovered Argentina like he went to our Yeah he

754
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:06,079
fled finis exactly like, no, he killed himself, little bunker,

755
00:51:06,119 --> 00:51:08,400
I'm likenient.

756
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,679
Speaker 3: It's uh huh yeah, sure, the bastard child of a

757
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,199
of a rothschild or something. You know. Of course, when

758
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,159
they're all uh looking for the uber Mitche while they're

759
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:24,280
they're clearly like Austrian Jews, and it's like, what are

760
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,719
you guys doing? Man? Uh the Aryan god king. But yeah,

761
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:32,800
it's very strange. I mean the what was that the

762
00:51:33,039 --> 00:51:35,760
spear of Laungeness or something like that as well, which

763
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,239
is allegedly the spear that pierced Christ's side on on

764
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:43,159
the mountain you know, uh, Golgotha, I guess whenever he

765
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,760
was crucified. And and it's supposed to provide Uh, it's

766
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:51,320
the spear of destiny, right and and uh and they

767
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,599
they went all the way to Antarctica in search of

768
00:51:53,599 --> 00:51:57,039
of this spirit. And it's just fascinating to me how

769
00:51:57,159 --> 00:52:01,599
much the occult is is legitimately and the Tool Society

770
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,400
and not you know, the inner circle of Hitler specifically,

771
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,280
I mean Rudolph Hess. I mean, he's in a war

772
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,280
as a warlock with Aleistair Crowley, Like, what are we

773
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:17,360
talking about. He's like wearing this wizard's cloak with all

774
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:22,440
these ancient ruins on it and claims he's casting occult

775
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:26,679
spells on Aleister Crowley from Germany. And then he boards

776
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,360
a single engine Cessna and flies to the UK to

777
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,920
have this alleged conflict. And then he gets his plane

778
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,119
shot down and he gets brought into custody and they

779
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:42,760
put him in prison as a military prisoner. And yeah,

780
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,239
it's just the strangest story of all time. But that

781
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:50,239
was one of the right hand men for Adolf Hitler. Again,

782
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:54,480
it's just too much, right whenever you see what really

783
00:52:54,519 --> 00:52:57,239
happened in terms of who financed both sides of the

784
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,760
war and things of that nature. I mean, even Prescott

785
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:06,199
obviously being deeply involved but but yeah, it was the Bolshevism.

786
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:12,880
Resicrucis uh right, you have uh, basically all these various

787
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,679
spin offs of these same secret societies obviously are are

788
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,320
part of this. But you have the Venetian Black nobility,

789
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:25,800
the Fabianist society. Yeah. I think that understanding, right, that

790
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:29,280
that the vast majority of all of written and recorded

791
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,320
history has been manufactured by the state in order to

792
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:38,559
legitimately facilitate this this same structured and STOPI an outcome.

793
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:43,000
You're not you're not waking up to reality, right, and

794
00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:46,159
you're in my mind, I feel like the vast majority

795
00:53:46,679 --> 00:53:49,800
would rather not because they're they're so conditioned to just

796
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,639
fall in line with the new the kind of the

797
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:58,559
let's just say, the new psychological operational standpoint of the

798
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:02,519
influencer industrial comp which is very much I think, re

799
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:07,639
corralling all of the individuals desperately fleeing from the dying

800
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,960
lass gas with the mainstream media, and they're being recorralled

801
00:54:12,159 --> 00:54:17,039
into these new camps of ideological subversion that still helps

802
00:54:17,039 --> 00:54:21,280
facilitate the right the current goals of the permanent establishment.

803
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,119
So you're just a part of the problem once more,

804
00:54:25,159 --> 00:54:31,519
and you're more than likely prioritizing things that really ultimately

805
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:34,719
don't even matter in terms of the ultimate the overwhelming

806
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:41,199
outcome of what we're facing, and so we find ourselves arguing, Yeah,

807
00:54:41,199 --> 00:54:46,320
exactly a distractionary measure to really, I think, escalate the

808
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,639
culture war and ratchet up these tensions in order for

809
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:54,519
us to waste all of our time arguing over nonsensical

810
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:58,320
details that don't ultimately matter, you know. And it's like,

811
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,719
if we can't agree on gender and what are we

812
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,920
what hope do we have in terms of coming to

813
00:55:05,039 --> 00:55:07,000
some common place as far as we.

814
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 2: Can't agree on any station, Like they've done so well

815
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:17,559
at dividing us so drastically that people can't agree on

816
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:24,800
anything and people refuse to disagree calmly, you know what

817
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:26,840
I'm saying, Like, like, we used to be able to

818
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,400
have conversations where you're like I don't agree with you

819
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,119
because of X, Y and Z, and now we can't

820
00:55:33,159 --> 00:55:36,159
even have those conversations. Actually, I was just talking to

821
00:55:36,159 --> 00:55:38,840
somebody and I was like, yeah, like I feel like

822
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:42,599
in the conspiracy world we are we're good at that

823
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,920
because we live in this world where like everything's gray

824
00:55:46,159 --> 00:55:49,360
and nothing's like fully black or white, that we are

825
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,039
really good at having the conversation where you're like, I

826
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:54,599
don't agree with you, like, and let me tell you why,

827
00:55:55,079 --> 00:55:57,599
And then you can come back and be like, yeah,

828
00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:00,880
well that's cool, I don't agree with that. But we

829
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:03,199
can each change our perspective just a little bit or

830
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,480
gain like a bigger picture now because we have the

831
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,480
different expect like perspectives. But like in the world, we're

832
00:56:10,519 --> 00:56:11,519
not good at doing that.

833
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 3: No, no, I've learned to. It's kind of hilarious. I was.

834
00:56:18,119 --> 00:56:23,599
I saw some new apparent a character profile of a

835
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:27,880
personality type called an ultrovert autrovert something like that, and

836
00:56:28,119 --> 00:56:34,639
it basically it's outside of the standard of extrovert introvert

837
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:39,960
and essentially it applies to someone who thrives in social situations,

838
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,599
but only under the circumstances where they can control their

839
00:56:43,679 --> 00:56:47,239
environment in terms of the people who are involved in that.

840
00:56:47,519 --> 00:56:51,639
It's interesting because I felt like it applied a little

841
00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:54,840
bit too directly to me in terms of needing also

842
00:56:55,039 --> 00:57:00,079
needing time to decompress after those social interactions and and

843
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,119
and have my alone time to reflect on my own

844
00:57:02,159 --> 00:57:05,880
ideas and and uh, and over analyze every single thing

845
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,760
that I said, right, and how I missed the boat

846
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,199
and and and missed my opportunity and oh my god,

847
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,760
I said the wrong way. I meant to present that

848
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:21,360
information in this specific manner, you know, and and very

849
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,599
self defeating when it comes to that. That times, it's

850
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:27,679
it becomes a little bit too much of character defect.

851
00:57:27,719 --> 00:57:32,079
But uh, also it's it's it's great because it helps me,

852
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:36,000
I think, grow and and and learn from my mistakes.

853
00:57:36,039 --> 00:57:40,320
But yeah, I don't know, I I'm over overall. I

854
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,880
think I focused too much on controlling the outcome and

855
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,159
it's a it's a problem, and so it's something that

856
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:48,000
I have to just let go of. And and uh,

857
00:57:48,119 --> 00:57:53,320
basically manifest the serenity prayer in a way is what

858
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:57,079
I utilize because uh, you know, it's just about it

859
00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,880
give me the courage to accept it or no, God,

860
00:58:00,039 --> 00:58:02,840
grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change,

861
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,159
the courage to change the things that I can, and

862
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:08,039
the wisdom to know the difference. And it's like that

863
00:58:08,199 --> 00:58:11,679
is a good thing to at least use as a mantra.

864
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:19,000
But yeah, I don't know, it's it's something that just

865
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:21,639
was I just talking about before that, and I'm sorry.

866
00:58:21,639 --> 00:58:28,519
I totally lost. Oh yeah, yeah, the personality type this,

867
00:58:28,519 --> 00:58:31,119
this is this is my plight. I suffer on a

868
00:58:31,199 --> 00:58:35,320
daily schizo bros. A symbol. That's the whole reason we

869
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:39,719
do already did but uh, honestly, it's just because it's uh,

870
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:44,480
it's become a product of all of the overlapping you know,

871
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,199
h examples that we can point to, you know. But

872
00:58:48,199 --> 00:58:52,079
but yeah, it's something really triggered in my mind in

873
00:58:52,199 --> 00:58:55,639
terms of that applying specifically to me in a way,

874
00:58:55,719 --> 00:59:02,559
because I've realized I don't have these stations intellectual conversations

875
00:59:02,719 --> 00:59:07,280
or even objectively attempting to I don't know. I I

876
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,000
do push the envelope occasionally, but I've learned when and

877
00:59:11,039 --> 00:59:14,440
where to have those conversations. And and uh yeah, And

878
00:59:14,519 --> 00:59:17,760
I think that most of the time, with certain people,

879
00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:20,920
if you just want to maintain and continue to cultivate

880
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:24,159
a relationship worthwhile and you love them for who they are,

881
00:59:24,239 --> 00:59:28,519
whether you agree on things or not, yeah, it's not

882
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,599
a it's not a war worth fighting, you know. And

883
00:59:31,679 --> 00:59:34,039
I think that at the end of the day, you

884
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:38,079
end up in a just worse off and in a

885
00:59:38,119 --> 00:59:44,760
more disadvantage or this disadvantaged position in a way, because

886
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,719
you're you're kind of isolating yourself and walling yourself off

887
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:52,440
to two people who you should you should only try

888
00:59:52,519 --> 00:59:55,599
to affect those people who aren't open to having those

889
00:59:55,639 --> 00:59:59,880
conversations through through the way in which you you go

890
01:00:00,039 --> 01:00:02,920
about your own life and through example, hopefully you make

891
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,159
an effect in a positive way. But beyond that, it's like,

892
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:11,400
you know, do what you do the best that you can.

893
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:15,960
But obviously I don't think I think we need to

894
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,719
consider more than we do, you know, the level of

895
01:00:21,519 --> 01:00:27,000
just I think the ultimate consequences that that effectively put

896
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:30,519
us in a position where we can't have those those

897
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:34,119
relationships that we once could, and that is the disruption

898
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,039
and the measures of control that they hope to achieve.

899
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:40,760
And so I kind of try and reject that as

900
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:45,440
as often as possible, obviously, but it was that aspect

901
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:50,440
of the personality type, but also just the kind of

902
01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:54,719
it matters for me as far as I can't have

903
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:59,599
these conversations with just the random, general, average person, right

904
01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:04,599
who who It's just it's too much, and so I

905
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:07,119
don't even go there, and I tempt to keep things

906
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:10,039
at a very you know, surface level in a way.

907
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,159
But yeah, you have to pick and choose, and I

908
01:01:14,199 --> 01:01:18,559
think that, yeah, most of the time, if you care

909
01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:21,079
about the person, it's just not worth it, right, So

910
01:01:21,239 --> 01:01:23,960
I don't know, it's interesting, but it's it's a delicate

911
01:01:24,039 --> 01:01:26,360
balance and you have to play that dance, you know.

912
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,920
But but anyway, I don't know, I feel like the

913
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,440
best way as far as the way that I found

914
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:39,039
this specific rabbit hole in terms of just the concept

915
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:43,119
questioning the concept of a of a mass shooter, in

916
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:46,920
the psychology of a mass shooter, like specifically, I started

917
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:51,519
by when whenever I was exposed to the reality of

918
01:01:51,559 --> 01:01:56,679
snuff films, right, And basically, I remember, there's there's this

919
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:00,719
film I reference a lot from nineteen ninety nine with

920
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:09,360
Nicholas Cage, right, And basically it's eight millimeter is the

921
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,039
name of the film, and essentially what it's referencing is

922
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:16,800
that the way in which child pornography is distributed is

923
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:21,000
on these undeveloped eight millimeter film strips. And so I

924
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:25,559
was unaware of that obviously until I gained some credible

925
01:02:25,559 --> 01:02:31,119
insight into how these organizations function. And yeah, apparently it's

926
01:02:31,159 --> 01:02:35,639
illegal obviously to to open mail and things of that nature.

927
01:02:35,679 --> 01:02:39,760
But if you're at the post office or however this

928
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:44,400
this film strips being sent This is a way to effectively,

929
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:49,559
you know, I guess, just conveniently make its way through

930
01:02:49,639 --> 01:02:53,199
without being acknowledged as what it is obviously by the authorities,

931
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,719
is to have it as an undeveloped eight millimeter film strip.

932
01:02:57,079 --> 01:03:00,519
And so Nicholas Cage's character is like a private investigator

933
01:03:00,599 --> 01:03:04,440
in the film, and he's hired by this this woman

934
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,440
who is a widow. She's a new basically her her

935
01:03:08,519 --> 01:03:12,639
husband just died and he was this patriarch of the family,

936
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:19,880
very wealthy, obviously supposed to seemingly represent you know, these

937
01:03:20,039 --> 01:03:24,400
very prominent, powerful individuals who who obviously are are above

938
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:30,800
any real accountability. And and so she apparently finds in

939
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,519
his private safe after his death, this undeveloped eight millimeter

940
01:03:34,559 --> 01:03:38,360
film strip and then they they view this and actually

941
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:41,639
have she she had witnessed what was on the strip,

942
01:03:42,119 --> 01:03:45,159
and then called this private investigator to come and and

943
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:49,599
basically pick up the investigation into this case. And is

944
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:53,000
this eight millimeter film strip real? Right? Was this a

945
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:56,280
real video? Was this woman actually murdered on film? And

946
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,440
so he gets to the property, he takes the film

947
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,639
strip and he goes and views it for the first

948
01:04:02,639 --> 01:04:06,920
time in a private room and watching his visceral emotional

949
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:12,400
reaction when the moment comes, right, is what all of us,

950
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,800
if any of us, have ever gone to the length.

951
01:04:15,840 --> 01:04:18,679
And obviously I'm not saying I've screened a legitimate snuff film,

952
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,039
but I am saying I've seen things that I wish

953
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:24,159
I didn't, you know, and and and that's mainly through

954
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:31,000
the the the window of these various cases and things

955
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,119
of that nature, like a de Trow Obviously I think

956
01:04:34,159 --> 01:04:39,079
Franklin and the Finders apply as well. But yeah, so

957
01:04:39,679 --> 01:04:43,840
that specifically hit home and resonated with me. And then

958
01:04:44,719 --> 01:04:49,400
to then see the overall network that that kind of

959
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,559
comes to light and surfaces throughout the investigation of the film.

960
01:04:54,599 --> 01:04:59,199
It it really kind of lent in my opinion. It

961
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,239
introduced the concept to the general public in terms of

962
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:08,239
snuff films are legitimately real. This is not a myth, right,

963
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,639
the myth of snuff film which they would like you

964
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,039
to imagine, and what has still been basically the official

965
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:18,599
narrative right for many years, which is strange. Although you

966
01:05:18,679 --> 01:05:24,480
have individuals like Alan Derschwitz, the vanguard and protector of

967
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,119
pedophiles himself, who the vanguard of snuff films. By the way,

968
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,039
it was like in the nineteen seventies, he was hosting

969
01:05:32,280 --> 01:05:36,599
a Harvard debate where he was involved debating in this

970
01:05:37,239 --> 01:05:41,320
Harvard debate where apparently it was in regard to the

971
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:45,000
legality of screening a snuff film domestically in the US,

972
01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:48,599
and his only condition was that he claimed yes, it

973
01:05:48,599 --> 01:05:52,599
should be legal. The only condition that would provide a

974
01:05:52,599 --> 01:05:57,880
public theater from even a private theater was obviously referred

975
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:02,400
to of screening a public publicly screening a snuff film

976
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:07,400
would be the only measure of illegality would potentially be

977
01:06:07,719 --> 01:06:14,199
if this was conducted on on a domestic citizen. So

978
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,880
if it were a foreign national of any kind, then

979
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:21,480
it should be publicly screen a snuff film. This was

980
01:06:21,519 --> 01:06:25,760
in the nineteen seventies. You had Alan Dershowitz, who's clearly

981
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:28,400
connected in with I mean, he claims that it.

982
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,840
Speaker 2: Was Jeffrey Epstein for sure, Yeah, and I covered him

983
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:33,159
for that.

984
01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 3: I forget what's the name of the Rothschild woman that

985
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:42,239
allegedly introduced him to to Epstein. I have to find

986
01:06:42,239 --> 01:06:46,199
it out because I always forget her name. But it's

987
01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:52,920
fascinating because just to obviously have that opportunity to use

988
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,159
Dershwitz as an example of that.

989
01:06:55,280 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 2: He's definitely watching snuff films exactly, and he's like, yeah,

990
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,280
we should get together, we should all get together in

991
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:07,159
the theater and watch this film together. Let's hold hands,

992
01:07:07,199 --> 01:07:11,320
let's eat popcorn, let's boo at the bad parts, let's

993
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:11,880
hang out.

994
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:13,559
Speaker 3: It's insane.

995
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,639
Speaker 2: And then he's like, Jeffrey Epstein barely knew the guy.

996
01:07:18,519 --> 01:07:23,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, Now he's still claiming, obviously that it was Lynn

997
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:28,440
Forster to Rothschild, that's her name. She she allegedly introduced

998
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:32,880
the two, right, Alan Derschwitz to Jeffrey Epstein. Laughable, you know,

999
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:38,320
But again, yeah, when whenever you see just Durstwitz is

1000
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:43,079
a part of so many different obvious scandalous cases like

1001
01:07:43,159 --> 01:07:46,639
let's even for the Fort Bragg murders with doctor Jeffrey McDonald.

1002
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:50,000
He was a part of that, which is just fascinating

1003
01:07:50,039 --> 01:07:54,519
to see how Jeffrey McDonald was just entirely railroaded by

1004
01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:58,000
the system. And I don't believe he murdered his wife

1005
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,320
and two children, right, it was a pregnant wife at

1006
01:08:01,320 --> 01:08:05,239
the time. I think it was a fertility death ritual. Essentially,

1007
01:08:06,119 --> 01:08:10,440
that was an initiatory practice by the local chapter of

1008
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,840
the Processed Church of the Final Judgment, and they were

1009
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,199
called I'm trying to remember now, I forget the name

1010
01:08:17,199 --> 01:08:23,279
of Helenostokele's basically a local chapter of the process but

1011
01:08:24,119 --> 01:08:27,920
either way, she she basically they were helping facilitate the

1012
01:08:28,079 --> 01:08:31,239
heroin trade and the drug distribution from Fort Bragg at

1013
01:08:31,239 --> 01:08:34,279
that time, because there was a there was a major

1014
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:38,760
scandal called the cadaver Connection, and it exposed how during

1015
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:43,119
the Vietnam War, all these US military personnel were coming

1016
01:08:43,159 --> 01:08:47,479
home in caskets and they were actually lining the caskets

1017
01:08:47,640 --> 01:08:53,159
with heroin, and specific caskets would be given a unique

1018
01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:56,079
you know, obvious like I think it was like a

1019
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:59,159
yellow ribbon something like that. I can't remember now. That

1020
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:02,520
was just a way to identify which one was a

1021
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:06,560
part of the drug distribution operation and which wasn't. And

1022
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,720
so they were even not only lining the caskets, but

1023
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:14,439
they were emptying out the organs of the dead gis

1024
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:19,079
and shoving plastic bags of heroin in their bodies. Like

1025
01:09:19,159 --> 01:09:24,199
this is legitimately connected to what was being a facilitated

1026
01:09:24,199 --> 01:09:27,760
at Fort Bragg, as far as the drug distribution, and

1027
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:31,399
and then that was all connected back into Helena Stokely

1028
01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:36,199
and this weird cult committing these murders on an actual

1029
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:43,800
doctor at Fort Bragg who apparently was considering blowing the

1030
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:46,880
whistle on what he viewed to be because apparently the

1031
01:09:47,079 --> 01:09:51,399
level of heroin overdoses skyrocketed once the operation began, and

1032
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:55,520
on base he was seeing this extraordinary amount of statistical

1033
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:59,000
increases and all of these things happening. And I think

1034
01:09:59,039 --> 01:10:02,479
there was even once Pacific case where two individuals connected

1035
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,960
to the network were brought in, one of which had

1036
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:11,840
overdosed on heroin, and he had had obviously taken this

1037
01:10:12,119 --> 01:10:16,720
specifically to the local investigators of the forget it was

1038
01:10:18,119 --> 01:10:21,800
what the name of the local police department was at

1039
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,479
the time. But either way, it's it's very interesting because

1040
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:30,439
clearly he kind of lays out the example of how

1041
01:10:31,159 --> 01:10:35,359
basically what he did is he provided the local investigators

1042
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:40,479
with the case that legitimately opened up a window into

1043
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,319
a drug distribution pipeline set up through the military base.

1044
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:49,880
And so that really brought I think the world down

1045
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,720
on Jeffrey McDonald's shoulders because he was willing to blow

1046
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:59,479
the whistle in this way, and yeah, exactly, and and man,

1047
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:03,239
just the level of infiltration on the case itself, because

1048
01:11:03,279 --> 01:11:07,039
he was forced into a military tribunal at the beginning

1049
01:11:07,119 --> 01:11:11,520
of everything, and they ultimately ruled that he was innocent,

1050
01:11:12,039 --> 01:11:14,520
and then they took it up in a private matter

1051
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:17,680
and tried to obviously pursue a criminal case. And the

1052
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:21,399
same individuals who tried to prosecute him in the military tribunal,

1053
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:26,279
who were acting in bad faith, specifically infiltrated the criminal

1054
01:11:26,319 --> 01:11:30,359
case and got what they desired basically out of the outcome.

1055
01:11:30,399 --> 01:11:33,880
And that's the it's fascinating with that because you get

1056
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,600
a window into Iran contra. Really it's the same playbook

1057
01:11:38,039 --> 01:11:43,159
that never ended, and that brings full circle the Son

1058
01:11:43,199 --> 01:11:46,199
of Sam murders because David Burkwitz one of the women

1059
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:50,399
who was killed outside the Elephis Club. So the story

1060
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:55,319
goes that David Burkwitz was only potentially responsible for killing

1061
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:59,079
three of the victims, right out of all the victims

1062
01:11:59,119 --> 01:12:03,920
that the Son of Sam allegedly killed. And inevitably, it

1063
01:12:03,960 --> 01:12:07,159
turns out that she was working for this medical company

1064
01:12:07,399 --> 01:12:11,039
and essentially had realized that as she was an ambulance

1065
01:12:11,119 --> 01:12:14,279
technician at one of these companies. She realized they were

1066
01:12:14,359 --> 01:12:18,960
utilizing this as an opportunity to distribute the heroin throughout

1067
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:21,800
the area. And so she had found out about the

1068
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:26,359
drug trafficking and was willing to testify because investigators had

1069
01:12:26,359 --> 01:12:28,880
come to her. And so then she becomes a priority

1070
01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,880
target in the context of the Son of Sam killings

1071
01:12:32,319 --> 01:12:35,560
and gets brutally murdered outside of the Elephis Club, which

1072
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:39,479
Elefis levy a cult connotation to the symbolic nature of

1073
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:43,359
the ultimate sacrifice or the ultimate evil and having an

1074
01:12:43,359 --> 01:12:47,479
occult sacrifice be involved. Now there's a lot of debate

1075
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:54,680
over is this playbook in order to actually engineer in

1076
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,640
a cult ritual? And do they believe in the subconscious

1077
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:02,800
wielding of the power of obviously having the general public

1078
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:08,479
subconsciously participate in the overall false narrative of what's taking place.

1079
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:13,760
Could that, even, you know, provide some sort of interesting,

1080
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,279
powerful energy in terms of what the cult is attempting

1081
01:13:17,319 --> 01:13:21,039
to facilitate on their own, You never know. It's it's

1082
01:13:21,079 --> 01:13:24,720
at the very least worth considering. And I think that

1083
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,840
the layers of symbolism involved in so many of the

1084
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:34,479
murders make it impossible to deny. So the question becomes,

1085
01:13:35,039 --> 01:13:39,600
was this a viable wave for them to essentially muddy

1086
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,880
the waters in terms of the investigatory practice in general,

1087
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:46,640
to where just at face value, it feels too extraordinary,

1088
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:50,279
so you just turn the other way because obviously he

1089
01:13:50,359 --> 01:13:53,000
was just a psychotic serial killer and the dog told

1090
01:13:53,079 --> 01:13:56,119
him that he needed to kill all those people, right

1091
01:13:56,159 --> 01:14:00,960
because just the most ridiculous thing, he wasn't actually sacrificing

1092
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:05,159
all those Alsatian dogs or German shepherds in Untermeyer Park

1093
01:14:05,279 --> 01:14:07,840
with the at the Devil's Cave that was then filled

1094
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,560
in later on, and Detective James Rosstein proves all of

1095
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:15,720
this happened through his criminal witnesses and criminal informants. I mean,

1096
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,680
it's crazy. He found a mass grave of German shepherd

1097
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:22,960
dogs at Untermeyer Park, where if you look up under

1098
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:27,239
Meyer Park, the individual who owned this park, forget something,

1099
01:14:27,399 --> 01:14:31,119
unter Myer's his last name. So he's talk about a

1100
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:35,079
connected guy to these fraternal organizations and things of that nature.

1101
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,159
It turns out there's all this symbolism in the park itself,

1102
01:14:39,359 --> 01:14:45,079
monoliths winged lions. You know, it's very.

1103
01:14:46,159 --> 01:14:48,920
Speaker 2: He's like, look, this is what we're doing crazy things.

1104
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, and when James Rosstein knocked on his door and

1105
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,720
he was actually there for a change, and this man

1106
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,960
had specific direct connections to the Processed Church of the

1107
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:03,880
final judgment, they claimed he was utilizing an MC club,

1108
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:07,960
a motorcycle club first private security basically to run these

1109
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:10,960
occult rituals in Upstate New York at some of these

1110
01:15:11,119 --> 01:15:14,319
various parks, and so this was a great way in

1111
01:15:14,439 --> 01:15:19,199
which they could apparently procure other victims. A lot of

1112
01:15:19,399 --> 01:15:23,319
children would go missing from these parks, and so that

1113
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:27,800
was one of the specific ways they apparently utilized the

1114
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:32,000
access to this to this public park. But yeah, it

1115
01:15:32,039 --> 01:15:35,479
turns out he goes and he visits him, and the

1116
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:38,279
man refused to answer any questions and silently closed the

1117
01:15:38,319 --> 01:15:43,399
door in his face. And that was a very prominent

1118
01:15:43,479 --> 01:15:47,960
investigator and a detective in upstate New York who very

1119
01:15:48,119 --> 01:15:53,119
effectively traced the lines of when the Processed Church uprooted

1120
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:57,800
just after the Son of Sam killings and drove east

1121
01:15:57,880 --> 01:16:01,520
allegedly and also a little bit south apparently because one

1122
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:04,239
of the fact one of the factions props back up

1123
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,079
just after Son of Sam in the Wayne Williams Atlanta

1124
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:12,000
child murders case. And once again we have a direct

1125
01:16:12,279 --> 01:16:16,119
example of the Processed Church being involved with uh Iran

1126
01:16:16,199 --> 01:16:20,680
Contra again because it was through Hartsfield International or uhh

1127
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:25,800
yeah International Airport, which is in Georgia. In Atlanta. Uh

1128
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:31,560
they were apparently utilizing uh An Aryan organization and a

1129
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:36,439
chapter of the KKK, the intelligence Apparatus, was using them

1130
01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:40,319
to facilitate the Iran Contra playbook by funneling drugs through

1131
01:16:40,319 --> 01:16:45,239
Hartsfield and then facilitating the distribute the distribution process through

1132
01:16:45,279 --> 01:16:50,159
these various organizations, including one of which being uh UH

1133
01:16:50,279 --> 01:16:53,960
the cults organization that was affiliated with the process that

1134
01:16:54,920 --> 01:16:57,520
I think it was Parnell Treeham was his name, and

1135
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:01,079
he was a tax cab driver from Florida, And so

1136
01:17:01,119 --> 01:17:04,159
you have the Miami Atlanta connection come to fruition in

1137
01:17:04,199 --> 01:17:07,680
this context where he was apparently helping with the distribution

1138
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,439
process there and then began abducting children on behalf of

1139
01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:15,960
the network as well. And that's when his girlfriend went

1140
01:17:16,039 --> 01:17:19,319
public with her claims and even said that she was tasked.

1141
01:17:19,359 --> 01:17:23,159
But so they were having occult rituals where they were

1142
01:17:23,159 --> 01:17:28,600
apparently engaging in animal sacrifice, blood ritual sacrifice of some

1143
01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:32,159
kind as well that included children. It would be kids

1144
01:17:32,199 --> 01:17:36,880
who they tasked with basically being low level street dealers,

1145
01:17:37,319 --> 01:17:39,840
and if they were holding back money for themselves or

1146
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:45,319
the product or whatever, they would get effectively ritualistically murdered

1147
01:17:46,199 --> 01:17:48,239
for purposes of a snuff film as well. So it

1148
01:17:48,279 --> 01:17:51,960
would become this overlapping nature of the enterprise of you know,

1149
01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:58,199
exploiting every aspect of what they could potentially achieve. And

1150
01:17:58,520 --> 01:18:02,760
they were utilizing an Indian burial grounds for these ritual

1151
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:07,359
sacrifices in the woods and basically would have a security

1152
01:18:07,399 --> 01:18:10,760
perimeter around the site where they wouldn't have the actual

1153
01:18:10,840 --> 01:18:15,560
ritual take place. And that's where Parnell Trenham's girlfriend claims

1154
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,960
that she witnessed a lot of these kids, you know,

1155
01:18:18,079 --> 01:18:21,840
one of which being dragged in bondage into a barn

1156
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:27,319
and and being violently interrogated and then murdered. And and yeah,

1157
01:18:27,760 --> 01:18:32,199
it was through her boyfriend's statements to her specifically that

1158
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:38,000
she became so concerned that she inevitably told the investigators

1159
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:41,880
obviously it's it's crazy. I'm sorry, I'm so off based

1160
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,680
from what you had me come on to talk about.

1161
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,560
Speaker 2: I really, I really have learned so much because there's

1162
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,960
a lot of things like I have done research into,

1163
01:18:49,039 --> 01:18:50,680
but then there's a lot of things that like I

1164
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:53,359
haven't touched yet that I like I should look into,

1165
01:18:53,359 --> 01:18:54,760
that I should do an episode on that I need,

1166
01:18:55,079 --> 01:18:56,920
I need to learn more about this and so and

1167
01:18:57,520 --> 01:19:02,239
in like the connection of like this thing connects to

1168
01:19:02,279 --> 01:19:05,479
this thing connects to this thing. Like how connected everything is.

1169
01:19:06,079 --> 01:19:09,039
When people think, oh, well, this thing is what it

1170
01:19:09,079 --> 01:19:11,600
is by itself, and there's this thing and those two

1171
01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:16,800
things don't matter together, but everything is connected absolutely.

1172
01:19:17,239 --> 01:19:19,119
Speaker 3: And I don't know how long you want to go,

1173
01:19:19,159 --> 01:19:23,840
but I'm perfectly open to coming back. So this is

1174
01:19:23,840 --> 01:19:26,760
what I do on every show. Don't feel the need

1175
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:29,439
to invite me back, but I swear every time I

1176
01:19:29,479 --> 01:19:33,199
go on, I inevitably ask for a part too, because

1177
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:41,399
I completely destroy the original presentation I intended to. Obviously, Okay,

1178
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,960
I'm in, but I did want to show you something

1179
01:19:44,119 --> 01:19:48,000
before we do come to a close, and that was

1180
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:51,720
that there's a two minute video that I have to

1181
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,279
show you on Paul Banassi, who was the Franklin Scandal victim.

1182
01:19:55,279 --> 01:20:01,239
And so this is obviously Paul Banassi, right, and I

1183
01:20:02,960 --> 01:20:08,520
think it's very important just because understanding exactly who he

1184
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:13,199
was right in terms of of like, I was just

1185
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:16,520
reading through the Artichoke documents that I mentioned to I'll

1186
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,079
bring up the Paulbnossi video in just a second. I

1187
01:20:19,079 --> 01:20:21,800
guess I probably should introduce it for a moment. And

1188
01:20:22,319 --> 01:20:28,399
basically I read through the specific nineteen fifty three Artichoke document,

1189
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:35,880
which specifically was titled outline of Special Age Cases, right,

1190
01:20:36,359 --> 01:20:40,520
And it was interesting because through reading it, H obviously

1191
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:46,159
means hypnotism, right or yeah yeah, So it's very strange

1192
01:20:46,159 --> 01:20:49,560
because it says, in all of these cases, these subjects

1193
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:52,359
have clearly demonstrated that they can pass from a fully

1194
01:20:52,399 --> 01:20:57,239
awake state to a deep h controlled state via the telephone,

1195
01:20:58,239 --> 01:21:01,439
via some very subtle signal that cannot be detected by

1196
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,640
other persons in the room, and without the other individual

1197
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:07,680
being able to note the change. It has been shown

1198
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:11,920
clearly that physically, I know, right, we're talking nineteen fifty three,

1199
01:21:12,359 --> 01:21:17,039
it's just becoming an internal document referenced where they have

1200
01:21:17,199 --> 01:21:21,000
the capability to trigger a Manchurian from a free will

1201
01:21:21,119 --> 01:21:27,840
state of mind to an entirely controlled and suggestible manitarian

1202
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:33,319
candidate right a programmed assets and that alone is fascinating,

1203
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:40,119
especially nineteen fifty three, and so think of how sophisticated

1204
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:44,319
the methods could be at this point. Obviously, and whenever

1205
01:21:44,399 --> 01:21:46,960
we talk James Holmes will have to mention it just

1206
01:21:47,159 --> 01:21:51,520
in terms of how many individuals involved at Columbine were

1207
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:55,840
effectively on the jury and in the Aurora case, it's too.

1208
01:21:56,239 --> 01:22:00,079
Speaker 2: Just why you would think they're disqualified from that.

1209
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:05,600
Speaker 3: You would think just from the emotional context of kind

1210
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:09,640
of the traumatic experience, that alone should disqualify you from

1211
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:12,520
being an objective juror in a case that involves a

1212
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:16,199
mass shooting. It's just in my personal opinion, I'm sorry,

1213
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:20,039
I mean, it seems like it's a conflict of interest

1214
01:22:20,079 --> 01:22:24,560
at the very least, and right and and what I

1215
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:28,319
think about all the time in terms of every time

1216
01:22:28,319 --> 01:22:33,079
I reference this. This art of Choke document is basically

1217
01:22:33,119 --> 01:22:36,800
the Menterranean Candidate film, which I did an episode with

1218
01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:41,199
William Ramsay on that film specifically, and my god, it

1219
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:45,199
just there's a moment when and obviously Raymond Shaw is

1220
01:22:45,239 --> 01:22:48,479
the main character and and there's some strange Oedipus complex

1221
01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:51,479
he has with Angela Lansbury, which plays the character and

1222
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:55,840
role of his mother and she's a very prominent woman

1223
01:22:56,600 --> 01:23:01,600
with just politically prominent obviously and has a lot of

1224
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:07,760
leverage over just basically she's implementing a kudreta, a violent

1225
01:23:08,279 --> 01:23:12,920
assassination and a revolution of some kind. Right, And clearly

1226
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,079
it seems like in the context of the plot of

1227
01:23:15,119 --> 01:23:20,119
the film, it's very much inspired by this Soviet Communism

1228
01:23:21,319 --> 01:23:26,159
kind of contexts in terms of just the ideological motivating factor,

1229
01:23:26,640 --> 01:23:30,840
which is interesting, but still just as far as it's

1230
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:36,079
released in nineteen sixty three, just before the JFK assassination,

1231
01:23:36,760 --> 01:23:43,039
and allegedly the director had gone to JFK specifically and

1232
01:23:43,119 --> 01:23:45,439
knew him personally and said, Jack, is it okay if

1233
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:48,439
I go forward with this considering the political environment and

1234
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:52,399
the heightened tension with the Soviet Union, And JFK allegedly

1235
01:23:52,399 --> 01:23:54,880
gave him the green light and said, no, it's important

1236
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:59,039
to have this obviously out there for public exposure and

1237
01:23:59,119 --> 01:24:05,039
understanding the legitimate techniques of the intelligence community. And and

1238
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:08,159
but by the way, that same director inevitably would have

1239
01:24:08,279 --> 01:24:13,439
been at a dinner party the night before Rfk's assassinated

1240
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:19,680
at the Ambassador Hotel. Yeah, so it turns out he's

1241
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:23,680
at a dinner party with Roman Polanski and Sharon Tate,

1242
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,640
and as the story goes, Sir Hans Sirhan was in

1243
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:31,840
attendance and actually knew someone who was a chef in

1244
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,520
the Ambassador Hotel that he was personal friends with that

1245
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:37,720
was also a member of the Processed Church of the

1246
01:24:37,720 --> 01:24:45,439
Final Judgment, just so everyone knows, let alone, he's working

1247
01:24:45,479 --> 01:24:48,960
at a racetrack that's owned by the mafia at the time.

1248
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,720
And I think this is where he was essentially provided

1249
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:56,239
as an asset and and taken to the shooting range

1250
01:24:56,399 --> 01:24:59,840
and given his conditioning as well, because if you remember,

1251
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,800
I think it was what his defense team I think

1252
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:08,760
is who who made the the actual claims regarding uh,

1253
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:12,279
the shooting range as far as targets in his eyes,

1254
01:25:12,359 --> 01:25:14,239
I think is what he saw when he was in

1255
01:25:14,359 --> 01:25:15,319
this hypnotic state.

1256
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:16,039
Speaker 2: Uh.

1257
01:25:16,239 --> 01:25:19,560
Speaker 3: And And what's yeah, what's interesting is is that, Yeah,

1258
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:22,840
it was Lawrence Teeter uh, the defense attorney for sir Han,

1259
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:26,439
who claimed he still believes that sir Han was operating

1260
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:29,640
under MK ultrum mind control techniques when he shot at RFK.

1261
01:25:30,600 --> 01:25:34,720
Both the prosecution and the defense had trained hypnotists put

1262
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:37,359
sir Han in a trance on the record during the trial,

1263
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:42,279
which is fascinating to watch. There's actual footage of them. Uh,

1264
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:46,640
they're the prosecutions absolutely leading the witness in this context

1265
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:50,880
is so disgusting to watch. And they legitimately he's in

1266
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:56,560
a hypnotic state, extraordinarily suggestible, and they say, sir Han,

1267
01:25:56,680 --> 01:25:58,960
the gun's in your hand now, Sir Han, And and

1268
01:25:59,039 --> 01:26:02,760
they're just walking him through how he and the way

1269
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:06,800
that they're actually the language they're using. It's like, without

1270
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:10,880
a doubt he the starting point is you committed this

1271
01:26:11,159 --> 01:26:15,079
targeted assassination and killed our FK for a specific, motivated

1272
01:26:15,159 --> 01:26:19,640
reason based on your Palestinian heritage, even though that didn't

1273
01:26:19,640 --> 01:26:22,520
really even make sense. Honestly, they're telling him all this.

1274
01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 2: I haven't actually done an episode on RFK. I just

1275
01:26:25,039 --> 01:26:26,720
had a guest on to talk about it, but like,

1276
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:28,680
I really haven't done any research into it.

1277
01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:34,680
Speaker 3: Man I this was the best example of a legitimate

1278
01:26:34,840 --> 01:26:37,800
asset in a modern Mantaranean in a way, as far

1279
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,840
as it's the greatest example of a Mentorian candidate who

1280
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,800
I believe to have been a plausible patsy and was

1281
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:49,840
not in any way. I don't think he actually even

1282
01:26:50,359 --> 01:26:52,520
as I mentioned before I think he fired blanks in

1283
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:56,640
the in the pantry. And what's most interesting, it feels

1284
01:26:56,760 --> 01:27:02,359
like sir Han was even almost conditioned to become some

1285
01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:08,279
sort of public perpetrator of some kind, to have been

1286
01:27:08,359 --> 01:27:12,880
involved in a public scandal, if only referencing back to

1287
01:27:13,399 --> 01:27:17,560
Time magazine. Okay, so early on, sir Han's like very young,

1288
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:24,920
still a teenager, and he happens to be as far

1289
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:29,079
as just a given a prominent spotlight in Time magazine

1290
01:27:29,159 --> 01:27:32,720
at this very moment in time, and and what ends up,

1291
01:27:33,039 --> 01:27:36,399
So what happened is they were apparently running an article

1292
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:41,720
about skateboarding, okay, in the skateboarding culture in New York City,

1293
01:27:42,159 --> 01:27:44,079
and so they go down to I think it was

1294
01:27:44,159 --> 01:27:50,479
even the major park obviously in New York Central Park

1295
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:52,840
is where they actually filmed this if I remember, and

1296
01:27:52,920 --> 01:27:56,000
actually took the pictures and everything of these kids skating

1297
01:27:56,119 --> 01:27:58,960
down basically pushing each other down while sitting on a

1298
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:05,239
skateboard some interesting path. But it looks like the picture

1299
01:28:05,319 --> 01:28:08,640
that was taken and provided as the main picture for

1300
01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:14,640
the article was happened to include sir Han and an individual,

1301
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,279
another individual who was around his age at the time,

1302
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:21,520
who ended up being the very I forget his nationality

1303
01:28:21,680 --> 01:28:24,880
at this point, but he was a foreign citizen who

1304
01:28:24,920 --> 01:28:27,359
had become I think he had become a US citizen

1305
01:28:27,399 --> 01:28:32,119
though at that time. But still, either way, they're film

1306
01:28:32,239 --> 01:28:36,199
their their picture is together, and they're skating together, and

1307
01:28:37,039 --> 01:28:40,000
either Sir Hans being pushed or it's vice versa, but

1308
01:28:40,039 --> 01:28:42,640
I think Sir Hans sitting on the skateboard being pushed.

1309
01:28:43,039 --> 01:28:47,000
And it turns out that that that other individual happened

1310
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,880
to be the bus boy working at the Ambassador Hotel

1311
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:53,479
and was the first person pictured above the body of

1312
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:57,920
RFK who's struggling in the moments, gasping in his last

1313
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:02,239
moments alive, to be that very same individual whose picture

1314
01:29:02,319 --> 01:29:06,159
was Sirhan in the Time magazine a skateboard issue. And

1315
01:29:06,960 --> 01:29:09,880
by the way, Time magazine was owned by Henry Loose.

1316
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:12,439
At this time. Henry Loose was a member of the

1317
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:15,920
Pilgrim Society in the Anglo American establishment, and he also

1318
01:29:16,079 --> 01:29:19,119
happened to be one of Alan Dohles's best friends who

1319
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:25,159
was tasked with running Operation Mockingbird domestically in the US.

1320
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,399
It's like, man, there's no way around the fact that

1321
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:34,920
that that was an entirely staged operation probably for over

1322
01:29:35,039 --> 01:29:38,079
ten years. If you know, if you're being honest with

1323
01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:42,399
you would think strategically speaking, they would be you know,

1324
01:29:43,079 --> 01:29:45,720
at least putting these assets into position and things of

1325
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:50,359
that nature. But either way, I do think the examples

1326
01:29:50,399 --> 01:29:54,520
that were given sir Han was far too suggestible. It

1327
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:58,000
looked as if one of the expert hypnotists who then

1328
01:29:59,199 --> 01:30:02,600
put him in a train it's in custody when he

1329
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:05,399
was in his cell, he actually put him in a

1330
01:30:05,479 --> 01:30:10,319
trance to gauge how suggestible he was. And the implication

1331
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:15,920
being that based on the suggestibility proves how many times

1332
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:19,520
in the past sir Han had been hypnotized and put

1333
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:24,760
in this hypnotic trance, and so that was obviously important.

1334
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:30,640
But I think it was sir Han was even considered

1335
01:30:30,680 --> 01:30:33,880
to have been a victim of the psychic driving technique

1336
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:37,680
by doctor Ewan Cameron, who this was a system of

1337
01:30:38,119 --> 01:30:43,239
mind control that apparently received direct funding through mk ultra

1338
01:30:43,359 --> 01:30:44,800
subprojects sixty.

1339
01:30:44,520 --> 01:30:49,600
Speaker 2: Eight and this one was a prominent figure in k Ultra.

1340
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,920
Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah, he was the individual I believe, tasked with

1341
01:30:54,600 --> 01:30:58,640
facilitating the Montreal experiments. It was basically exporting mk Ultra

1342
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:03,800
to Canada and yes, so they outsourced Hmkultrre to Canada

1343
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:07,800
where he carries out the Montreal experiments from fifty seven

1344
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:12,319
to sixty four. So that's between the exact time leading

1345
01:31:12,399 --> 01:31:15,920
up to the jfk assassination. At the very least, obviously

1346
01:31:16,119 --> 01:31:21,119
RFK is nineteen sixty eight. But still, if between fifty

1347
01:31:21,159 --> 01:31:25,279
seven and sixty four, if the psychic driving technique was

1348
01:31:25,399 --> 01:31:29,159
utilized on Sirhon, then it's at the very least I

1349
01:31:29,239 --> 01:31:34,079
think plausible enough as being one of the methods they

1350
01:31:34,119 --> 01:31:38,199
would have relied upon. But yes, so this is official

1351
01:31:38,279 --> 01:31:43,239
sources investigating mk ultra right, who basically claimed that many

1352
01:31:43,279 --> 01:31:46,680
of doctor Cameron's patients were at the Allen Memorial Institute

1353
01:31:46,720 --> 01:31:51,039
of McGill University for common medical problems such as postpartum

1354
01:31:51,119 --> 01:31:54,960
depression or anxiety disorders, and were then subjected to his

1355
01:31:55,239 --> 01:31:59,359
driving technique and placed into drug induced comas for weeks

1356
01:31:59,399 --> 01:32:05,159
at a time. Just like, well, since you're here, I mean, honestly,

1357
01:32:05,239 --> 01:32:08,359
that's what it looks like happened. And I would imagine

1358
01:32:09,399 --> 01:32:12,760
your your family background. Uh, there's got to be a

1359
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:17,199
specific character profile that they they would probably prize.

1360
01:32:17,680 --> 01:32:23,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so this guy mhm, he is part of

1361
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:25,920
the Franklin scandal, not even part of the Kilt or

1362
01:32:26,119 --> 01:32:27,479
well intra, not part of.

1363
01:32:29,359 --> 01:32:34,079
Speaker 3: U k assassination, right right, yeah, exactly, Yeah, which is

1364
01:32:34,520 --> 01:32:38,039
fascinating obviously as far as Paul Banassi being such a

1365
01:32:38,119 --> 01:32:43,000
great window into how these exact techniques have been utilized

1366
01:32:43,039 --> 01:32:47,479
on children for for the sociative identity disorder and alters,

1367
01:32:48,199 --> 01:32:53,119
basically being a h What's interesting is even with I

1368
01:32:53,239 --> 01:32:57,560
believe it's based on the triggers, right, So essentially what

1369
01:32:57,720 --> 01:33:01,279
the claim is is that even from the Mantrain candidate film,

1370
01:33:01,399 --> 01:33:05,119
right when when the call essentially a call came into

1371
01:33:05,159 --> 01:33:09,479
a private bar where Raymond Shaw, the main character was,

1372
01:33:09,920 --> 01:33:13,399
who had already been conditioned and programmed while he was

1373
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:17,600
over and in. I think it was basically alluding to

1374
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,039
the Phoenix program, is what they were pointing out right.

1375
01:33:20,079 --> 01:33:23,279
I think it was like Koreans or something that had

1376
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:28,720
had essentially with a Soviet twist, had had basically got

1377
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:33,520
him in his entire unit uh as as military prisoners

1378
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:37,399
for a time and then conditioned them in a laboratory

1379
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:40,479
which they all believed they were just in some hotel

1380
01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:44,680
lobby like a meeting room where where these old women

1381
01:33:44,840 --> 01:33:48,279
were talking about flowers, right, it was like this flower

1382
01:33:48,840 --> 01:33:51,840
I forget exactly what, but yeah, they were all selling

1383
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:54,920
flowers and it was it was very strange. But obviously

1384
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,119
that wasn't what they were actually seeing. They thought they

1385
01:33:59,119 --> 01:34:01,720
were just boards sitting in this meeting with all these

1386
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:05,319
old women presenting flowers, when in reality they're surrounded by

1387
01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:09,640
scientists and military intelligence operatives and generals and they're all

1388
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:13,159
just sitting there in this laboratory environment, uh, you know,

1389
01:34:13,319 --> 01:34:18,079
viewing this programming technique. And essentially it's like this, uh

1390
01:34:19,039 --> 01:34:23,119
you know, some mind control doctors is providing them with

1391
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:26,239
with the example of look at what we can get

1392
01:34:26,279 --> 01:34:31,720
these individuals to potentially do. I can create uh, basically

1393
01:34:31,840 --> 01:34:36,560
a h an individual killer with no reference or memory

1394
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:40,800
of their crime. And and basically what happens is you

1395
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:45,319
have Raymond Shaw, you have his character given the trigger

1396
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:49,000
in this laboratory setting where he stands up and he

1397
01:34:49,319 --> 01:34:53,159
he turns to his fellow you know, just as far

1398
01:34:53,239 --> 01:34:56,319
as the individual military member in the unit, I forget

1399
01:34:56,399 --> 01:34:58,680
his name now, but he's like a younger guy who's

1400
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:03,560
who's clearly, you know, probably the least formidable in terms

1401
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:06,479
of the military unit that he's in with Frank Sinatra

1402
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:10,640
as well, being a character, and he tells him to

1403
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:15,239
turn and look at at his you know, fellow patriot,

1404
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:18,520
and just shoot him in the head, right, And so

1405
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:24,279
without asking any questions whatsoever, he says yes sir and

1406
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:27,399
or yes ma'am because he thinks they're all women, right, yeah,

1407
01:35:27,399 --> 01:35:30,840
And he turns and he looks at his his buddy

1408
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,680
and even like smiles. They smile at each other, and

1409
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:38,800
the guy is programmed. His fellow unit members is also programmed.

1410
01:35:38,840 --> 01:35:41,680
So he's just staring down the barrel with a full smile,

1411
01:35:42,359 --> 01:35:47,199
and the trigger pulls and Frank Sinatra starts waking up

1412
01:35:47,720 --> 01:35:50,479
having these nightmares right when he gets back to the States,

1413
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:54,199
and it's memories of his programming because he's not being

1414
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:59,039
reinforced by his current conditioning. So the claim is there's

1415
01:35:59,079 --> 01:36:02,520
a shelf life the Manchurians and essentially they will start

1416
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:04,960
to wake up to their prior programming after a certain

1417
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:08,239
amount of time if it's not for the reinforced through

1418
01:36:08,319 --> 01:36:12,000
this conditioning process, which is another reason why they had

1419
01:36:12,039 --> 01:36:14,680
to fake a car accident and get Raymond Shaw back

1420
01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:18,039
into a hospital within the States and a higher floor

1421
01:36:18,119 --> 01:36:21,439
of some I forget it with some basically cut out

1422
01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:25,920
for intelligence operations, and they had a floor that was

1423
01:36:26,039 --> 01:36:30,600
private and secure from the public, obviously being able to access.

1424
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:32,680
And this is where they housed him for a brief time,

1425
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,760
claiming he had been hit while jogging by a car

1426
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:39,439
and he had to go through surgery, but in reality

1427
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,760
they were reinforcing his conditioning to make sure he would

1428
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,119
be triggered in the proper way and go through with

1429
01:36:46,119 --> 01:36:50,239
the action of committing the assassination. And it's very interesting.

1430
01:36:50,279 --> 01:36:52,760
So they have him just kill someone to see if

1431
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:57,920
the programming is still intact. And anyway, he gets a

1432
01:36:58,039 --> 01:37:01,359
call when he's at a bar, and and I won't

1433
01:37:01,560 --> 01:37:04,520
talk about the entire movie obviously, but Frank Sinatra is

1434
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:08,159
waking up to his prior programming and he's starting to

1435
01:37:08,279 --> 01:37:11,560
remember what he thinks happened, you know. And and Raymond

1436
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:15,000
Shaw had been a whole false narrative had been contrived

1437
01:37:15,079 --> 01:37:22,359
and basically assigned to how they actually were, essentially Raymond Shaw.

1438
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:26,039
Actually they weren't military prisoners or prisoners of war at

1439
01:37:26,079 --> 01:37:30,119
that time. Actually, Raymond Shaw saved the entire unit and

1440
01:37:30,399 --> 01:37:34,399
was this hero and responsible for these heroic actions. And

1441
01:37:34,520 --> 01:37:37,439
it was really just a false narrative to provide him

1442
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:40,960
with some credibility I guess as an asset when he

1443
01:37:41,079 --> 01:37:44,560
returned to the States, also providing them with a false

1444
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,960
narrative that would be plausible enough for people to buy into.

1445
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:51,960
And so yeah, Frank Sinatra starts to remember he doesn't

1446
01:37:52,000 --> 01:37:55,359
believe Raymond is the hero, and he kind of thinks

1447
01:37:55,399 --> 01:37:59,960
he actually killed in that buddy in their unit who

1448
01:38:00,119 --> 01:38:02,720
never made it back, and the official narrative claims he

1449
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:07,239
was a casualty that unfortunately was killed by the enemy.

1450
01:38:07,760 --> 01:38:11,520
But yeah, so anyway, the only point I really wanted

1451
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,039
to make was basically Raymond sitting in a bar and

1452
01:38:14,520 --> 01:38:18,880
the operatives call the bar that he's sitting at, past

1453
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:23,319
the barkeep, is Raymond Shaw there? And then he provides

1454
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:26,800
the phone to Raymond and the first thing they say

1455
01:38:27,079 --> 01:38:30,760
is is this Raymond Shaw? He confirms, and they say

1456
01:38:31,279 --> 01:38:33,680
you should pass the time by playing a little solitaire,

1457
01:38:34,439 --> 01:38:37,800
And then instantly the first layer of programming is triggered

1458
01:38:38,279 --> 01:38:41,520
and he becomes far more suggestible. He starts playing the

1459
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:45,000
game of solitaire and what was it a visual Q

1460
01:38:45,279 --> 01:38:48,000
as soon as he sees the Queen of Diamonds. The

1461
01:38:48,479 --> 01:38:52,239
second layer of programming is triggered, and he will instantly

1462
01:38:52,600 --> 01:38:55,800
engage in the action that he's been conditioned to carry

1463
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:59,359
out while he's in the state of mind. It's fast,

1464
01:39:01,079 --> 01:39:03,159
it's all just a movie exact And the hell no

1465
01:39:03,319 --> 01:39:06,479
it wasn't. I felt like it was some that's like

1466
01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:10,760
the most credible window into how this actually worked. All

1467
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:13,560
you have to do is replace Lee Harvey Oswald with

1468
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:17,520
Braymon Shaw, right, And that's the story, man, I mean,

1469
01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:21,039
it's it's so fascinating. And the fact that they pulled

1470
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:26,039
that film from distribution just after the assassination of JFK

1471
01:39:26,479 --> 01:39:31,199
and for over twenty five years it wasn't publicly distributed

1472
01:39:32,560 --> 01:39:34,880
by the production company obviously.

1473
01:39:35,640 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 2: The putting the pieces together exactly.

1474
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:41,439
Speaker 3: I really do believe that's that's a part of what happened.

1475
01:39:41,479 --> 01:39:45,880
But as far as Ewan Cameron's technique, some of the

1476
01:39:46,039 --> 01:39:50,920
reports apparently showed his victims forgetting their parents and even

1477
01:39:51,039 --> 01:39:53,680
thinking their interrogators were their parents.

1478
01:39:54,319 --> 01:39:54,600
Speaker 2: Wow.

1479
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:58,279
Speaker 3: And I always thought, wow, the power of mind control

1480
01:39:58,439 --> 01:40:01,159
is far and more sophisticated and we could ever imagine.

1481
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:07,880
But yeah, it was uh parents right, and uh but yeah,

1482
01:40:08,119 --> 01:40:12,439
I'm telling you it seemed like the uh, the documents

1483
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:17,119
that suggested the second person shot and killed Kennedy while

1484
01:40:17,319 --> 01:40:19,920
using Sir Hanna as a diversion. All of this has

1485
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:23,279
been provided and and it's fascinating too, as far as

1486
01:40:24,119 --> 01:40:26,960
the extensive interviews that were given with sir Han and everything.

1487
01:40:27,079 --> 01:40:32,000
But but yeah, Sir Han was allegedly said to be

1488
01:40:32,199 --> 01:40:35,000
under hypnosis that and on a cue from from a

1489
01:40:35,079 --> 01:40:38,319
woman named Elaine Neil who was in a polka dot dress,

1490
01:40:39,159 --> 01:40:40,760
white dress with black polka dots.

1491
01:40:41,399 --> 01:40:41,520
Speaker 1: Uh.

1492
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:44,479
Speaker 3: He was given a cue from her, and he then

1493
01:40:45,279 --> 01:40:49,640
proceeded to go into range mode and believing that he

1494
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:53,159
was firing at a shooting range and seeing circles with

1495
01:40:53,319 --> 01:40:56,399
targets in front of his eyes. It's all he remembers.

1496
01:40:57,640 --> 01:41:00,840
By by the way, post hypnotic suggestion is apparently the

1497
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:04,520
most efficient and effective thing relied upon in the Mantarian

1498
01:41:04,600 --> 01:41:10,960
candidate program. Interesting enough, But yeah, so he said, I

1499
01:41:11,079 --> 01:41:13,399
thought that I was at the range more than I

1500
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:17,239
was actually shooting at any person, let alone Bobby Kennedy.

1501
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:20,039
Sir Han was quoted as saying during one of the

1502
01:41:20,119 --> 01:41:23,920
interviews with Daniel Brown right, who was the Harvard University

1503
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:28,239
professor and a specialist in trauma, memory and hypnosis. I think,

1504
01:41:29,720 --> 01:41:31,840
I don't know. That can't be the same Dan Brown.

1505
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:35,520
It might be, but there's another Dan Brown, if not

1506
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:41,439
the same person who basically ran this experiment, this sociological

1507
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:45,159
experiment where he had he rented a theater and he

1508
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:50,199
was going to have a handpicked select few that were

1509
01:41:50,319 --> 01:41:56,319
willing and voluntarily open to being specifically programmed, and one

1510
01:41:56,439 --> 01:42:01,279
of the few candidates would be programmed to commit a

1511
01:42:01,439 --> 01:42:06,359
fake assassination, a mock assassination in the theater, but nobody

1512
01:42:06,439 --> 01:42:09,279
knew when and where it would take place. Nothing, And

1513
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:13,600
so basically all of them are go through their conditioning

1514
01:42:13,680 --> 01:42:16,960
and then they host this event at this theater. And

1515
01:42:17,560 --> 01:42:19,680
all of this was in the context of Dan Brown

1516
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:23,439
proving that Sir Honk was a mentoring candidate and under

1517
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:27,840
hypnosis while he fired blanks at RFK in the pantry. Fascinating.

1518
01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:31,560
So it turns out this guy, he has no memory

1519
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:35,920
whatsoever whenever he's given the trigger phrase during the course

1520
01:42:36,039 --> 01:42:40,439
of and it's far more than that. There's this interesting recipe.

1521
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:43,840
It's not only that he's given the trigger phrase audibly,

1522
01:42:45,079 --> 01:42:48,720
but there's specifically a woman in a polka dot dress

1523
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:53,000
who is wearing a brand of perfume extraordinarily unique to

1524
01:42:53,039 --> 01:42:57,880
the conditioning, and then also provides the trigger phrase audibly

1525
01:42:58,000 --> 01:43:01,239
to the individual while touching them him slightly on the

1526
01:43:01,359 --> 01:43:05,039
back of the neck behind the ear and whispering the

1527
01:43:05,119 --> 01:43:11,680
trigger phrase in the ear of the Manchurian. And so, yeah,

1528
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:16,520
your sensory basically, your sensory input is overloaded, and that

1529
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:22,159
instantly sends you into this psychologically, uh you know, uh,

1530
01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:25,159
just as far as the suggestible state of mind that

1531
01:43:25,680 --> 01:43:27,760
that you have been in many times before, if you've

1532
01:43:27,800 --> 01:43:32,720
been a conditioned Mantarian candidate. So anyway, it's fascinating because

1533
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:36,000
what happens is she leans up to this individual in

1534
01:43:36,039 --> 01:43:39,760
the theater, she whispers this as she touches him as well,

1535
01:43:39,840 --> 01:43:44,520
and and then he very casually leans down, pulls a

1536
01:43:44,640 --> 01:43:47,880
briefcase out from underneath his chair, puts it on his lap,

1537
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:52,199
opens it up, grabs the grabs an actual uh uh

1538
01:43:52,319 --> 01:43:54,840
it's a weapon, right, I think it's a handgun, and

1539
01:43:55,039 --> 01:43:58,359
it's essentially filled with blanks, obviously, but still he grabs

1540
01:43:58,399 --> 01:44:01,840
the handgun, stands up and ever so calmly pulls the

1541
01:44:02,079 --> 01:44:05,680
entire clip and then sits back down, puts it in

1542
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:11,000
the case and acts like nothing happened whatsoever. The next day,

1543
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:13,640
I think it was like the next day they bring

1544
01:44:13,760 --> 01:44:17,439
him in to the office and him and I think

1545
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:20,640
the director or whatever of the I forget who else

1546
01:44:20,760 --> 01:44:22,479
was sitting there with him. Actually, I think it was

1547
01:44:22,680 --> 01:44:26,760
actually a very prominent UK TV personality of some kind.

1548
01:44:27,159 --> 01:44:31,159
But anyway, and they're sitting there with this individual who

1549
01:44:31,239 --> 01:44:37,199
committed that strange, you know, obvious mock assassination, and they

1550
01:44:37,640 --> 01:44:41,039
ask him, hey, you remember what happened at the event

1551
01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:43,720
at the theater, right, and he's like, yeah, it's you know,

1552
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:47,399
it's great whatever, it's really good time and I appreciated

1553
01:44:47,479 --> 01:44:52,520
the yeah, the message or something. And then he's like,

1554
01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:56,359
so you don't remember anything strange happening at all, right,

1555
01:44:56,600 --> 01:44:59,560
And the guys just has no memory whatsoever. And then

1556
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:03,399
they play the clip of him actually pulling out the

1557
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:07,079
weapon and shooting at Dan Brown on stage, and Dan

1558
01:45:07,159 --> 01:45:09,760
Brown even acts like he gets shot. Yeah, he tells

1559
01:45:09,800 --> 01:45:12,279
everybody remain calm, but he acts like he gets shot

1560
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:17,399
and everything. And so as he's watching it, the face

1561
01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:20,000
of this guy like he's a younger kid, probably in

1562
01:45:20,079 --> 01:45:24,560
his twenties. Yeah, and he legitimately could not. It was

1563
01:45:24,680 --> 01:45:27,640
like at first he was smiling for a second, but

1564
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:31,880
then the level of shock just was jarring.

1565
01:45:32,079 --> 01:45:33,960
Speaker 2: Too, because he was like, I don't remember doing that

1566
01:45:34,039 --> 01:45:34,279
at all.

1567
01:45:35,279 --> 01:45:40,479
Speaker 3: And then also I think he's he's realizing, like, my god,

1568
01:45:40,600 --> 01:45:44,000
if I'm capable of doing something like this unbeknownst to me,

1569
01:45:44,159 --> 01:45:47,840
with no actual memory or recollection of this taking place,

1570
01:45:48,600 --> 01:45:53,159
anything is possible. And who actually possesses free will? Because

1571
01:45:53,159 --> 01:45:55,079
at the end of the day, it becomes a real question.

1572
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:59,840
And I think fundamentally, yeah, free will has been subverted

1573
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:03,319
in many ways with these sophisticated methods. Uh and and

1574
01:46:03,439 --> 01:46:07,600
many people are probably you know, unable to even just

1575
01:46:07,720 --> 01:46:11,119
conceptualize or acknowledge that fact. But I will shut up

1576
01:46:11,199 --> 01:46:13,319
and show you this last thing and then we'll get

1577
01:46:13,359 --> 01:46:17,840
out of here. I'm so sorry, Like I said, awesome,

1578
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:22,199
but yeah, I just find it this specifically. Let me

1579
01:46:22,279 --> 01:46:23,720
see if I can bring it back up. Is it

1580
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:26,680
actually showing now? I don't think it is? Hold on? Yeah, okay,

1581
01:46:26,680 --> 01:46:31,119
it is okay? Cool? All right. So this is Paul

1582
01:46:31,199 --> 01:46:36,600
Banasi and obviously he he was an unfortunate victim of

1583
01:46:36,840 --> 01:46:39,079
the Franklin scandal. And if you go into hold On

1584
01:46:40,319 --> 01:46:44,239
I wanted to pull up one more thing because Paul Banasi,

1585
01:46:44,279 --> 01:46:48,520
I feel like just understanding the million dollar lawsuit and

1586
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:54,439
the judgment awarded as well to Banassi during his his

1587
01:46:54,640 --> 01:46:58,319
court hearing versus Lawrence E. King who ran the Franklin

1588
01:46:58,359 --> 01:47:02,800
Credit the frank And Credit Union basically in Omaha, Nebraska,

1589
01:47:03,239 --> 01:47:08,159
which obviously was you know, the site and direct location

1590
01:47:08,319 --> 01:47:11,800
and property of a major Well, I think it's an

1591
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:16,800
international child sex trafficking operation, but definitely domestic for sure.

1592
01:47:17,479 --> 01:47:24,199
But Banasi suffers from multiple personality disorder, right, and also

1593
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:28,600
he was recruited into and entrapped by the Franklin pedophile

1594
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:31,720
network at the age of twelve years old. This is

1595
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:36,239
according to his personal story. So it was and I

1596
01:47:36,319 --> 01:47:40,239
think it was eighty nine when the when Laurence King

1597
01:47:40,520 --> 01:47:45,079
was was effectively accused right for the first time, and

1598
01:47:45,279 --> 01:47:49,319
he was it was running an underage prostitution ring and

1599
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:53,800
victimizing Paul Banasi at an early ages, early as twelve

1600
01:47:53,880 --> 01:47:57,880
years old, and Banasi was allegedly forced to run herd

1601
01:47:58,079 --> 01:48:00,720
over the other boys gott in the ring, and he

1602
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:05,199
confessed to playing a role in Johnny Gosh's abduction, right,

1603
01:48:05,319 --> 01:48:08,279
which I think is where john Wayngacy comes into the

1604
01:48:08,319 --> 01:48:11,319
picture and things of that nature. But he claims that

1605
01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:17,760
Johnny Gosh was chloroformed and then as he was abducted,

1606
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:24,119
he was obviously apparently Noreen Gosh. His mother, Right, ended

1607
01:48:24,199 --> 01:48:27,960
up meeting with Paul Banassi in jail in order to

1608
01:48:28,039 --> 01:48:31,920
hear a story about her son. Yeah, and Banassi he

1609
01:48:32,039 --> 01:48:36,000
did multiple revealing interviews right, detailing some of the functions

1610
01:48:36,039 --> 01:48:38,880
of the network and how it would operate. And in

1611
01:48:39,079 --> 01:48:42,920
one nineteen ninety three interview, he describes being present at

1612
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:46,239
the founding of NAMBLA, the North American Man Boy Love

1613
01:48:46,279 --> 01:48:51,039
Association in Boston, in a Boston Catholic church, which fits

1614
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:53,760
that of the Kathy O'Brien narrative a little bit, and

1615
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:59,199
also with NAMBLA. I believe he was Actually this was

1616
01:48:59,319 --> 01:49:02,479
the same interview. I think it was Anton Chaitkin or

1617
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:06,159
something was his name who interviewed Banasi, but it was

1618
01:49:07,239 --> 01:49:10,199
basically as a witness in the Franklin case. He's implicating

1619
01:49:10,239 --> 01:49:14,439
the FBI and US elites in child torture and murder.

1620
01:49:15,079 --> 01:49:19,319
And it was reported that Banasi smuggled child pornography into

1621
01:49:19,359 --> 01:49:22,720
the Netherlands on behalf of that organization, the North American

1622
01:49:22,760 --> 01:49:26,000
Man Boy Love Association NAMBLA, and on behalf of the

1623
01:49:26,079 --> 01:49:30,800
NAMBLA members, he's tasked with distributing his child porn internationally,

1624
01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:35,399
and these trips were on behalf of NAMBLA, the pedophile

1625
01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:39,920
group obviously given some kind of semi official status by

1626
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:42,600
the United Nations, which I don't think is a coincidence,

1627
01:49:43,319 --> 01:49:46,000
knowing the level of connection between Michael Lokino and all

1628
01:49:46,079 --> 01:49:49,760
these usual suspects, I think, going on these United Nations

1629
01:49:51,960 --> 01:49:56,119
diplomatic missions and then engaging in the pink ballets at

1630
01:49:56,159 --> 01:50:01,520
a Nazi castle in Belgium where yes, where they're rigged

1631
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:04,720
for audio visual blackmail. But also, uh, this is just

1632
01:50:04,840 --> 01:50:07,560
straight up origins with children, you know, right, I mean

1633
01:50:07,640 --> 01:50:12,039
it's yeah, it's a fact. And but anyway, so then

1634
01:50:12,079 --> 01:50:15,359
you have Paul citing his travel to the Netherlands in

1635
01:50:15,439 --> 01:50:19,319
Germany carrying child porn for subsequent import to the US

1636
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:25,920
in order to avoid prosecution. In Amsterdam, he named Charles

1637
01:50:25,960 --> 01:50:30,079
Hester and a British guy named Tommy Carter who had

1638
01:50:30,119 --> 01:50:35,760
on computer a global list of child pornography users. So yeah,

1639
01:50:36,000 --> 01:50:39,399
NAMBLE is also cited for organizing auctions of children, and

1640
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:43,439
I think one of those locations happens to be Las Vegas.

1641
01:50:43,600 --> 01:50:49,079
Speaker 2: But I think any Aria is an area.

1642
01:50:48,960 --> 01:50:55,159
Speaker 3: For absolutely we'll get into on the next episode. Don't

1643
01:50:55,239 --> 01:50:58,600
let me forget to tell you, because this applies to Columbina.

1644
01:50:58,720 --> 01:51:02,279
James Holmes as far as I think the origin of

1645
01:51:02,520 --> 01:51:06,840
the Monarch project or the Monarch mind control program, and

1646
01:51:07,159 --> 01:51:11,800
I think Paul Banassi's reference, and as a witness, he

1647
01:51:12,279 --> 01:51:15,479
claims that basically Michael Lokino was was tasked with the

1648
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:19,600
role of running the Monarch Boys and basically founded the

1649
01:51:20,119 --> 01:51:23,600
modern Monarch mind control program in the domestic us. But

1650
01:51:24,399 --> 01:51:27,079
uh yeah, we can save that one for later, honestly,

1651
01:51:27,159 --> 01:51:29,319
because I feel like I'm getting a little long in

1652
01:51:29,399 --> 01:51:31,680
the tooth for you, So I just want to show

1653
01:51:31,680 --> 01:51:33,960
you this video and then we'll get on out of here.

1654
01:51:34,039 --> 01:51:38,720
But this when I watched it, I'm telling you that

1655
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:43,199
I put a different portion of the video in my

1656
01:51:43,359 --> 01:51:45,840
actual Franklin Scandal episode, and I think it was more

1657
01:51:46,079 --> 01:51:50,279
the one specifically referencing the North American Man Boy Love Association.

1658
01:51:50,479 --> 01:51:57,119
But this one for an organization, if you talk about

1659
01:51:57,800 --> 01:52:05,319
an organization obviously inherently motivated to groom children in a

1660
01:52:05,399 --> 01:52:10,000
way while normalizing pedophilia internationally. I mean, what else could

1661
01:52:10,039 --> 01:52:14,960
it be? But yeah, so this you look at this

1662
01:52:15,159 --> 01:52:21,640
kid and I just watching all the interviews, he just

1663
01:52:21,800 --> 01:52:26,079
comes across like everything that he has to say is

1664
01:52:26,760 --> 01:52:30,680
most likely a far more accurate than you would want

1665
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:34,720
to imagine, and the level of trauma that he's endured

1666
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:37,880
his entire life. Just knowing that some of the stories

1667
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:41,520
he told about helping, you know, pick up one of

1668
01:52:41,600 --> 01:52:44,399
the one of the boys who had recently been abducted

1669
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:47,479
in Denver while they fly on a private plane and

1670
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:51,239
pick up a director for the child pornography that they're

1671
01:52:51,279 --> 01:52:57,000
about to produce, basically with this newly procured victim. And

1672
01:52:57,119 --> 01:53:01,920
then Paul's role as the young conditioned victim and also

1673
01:53:02,319 --> 01:53:06,119
as a Manchurian candidate because he legitimately was programmed and

1674
01:53:06,239 --> 01:53:10,720
given a discive identity disorder and these various alters. He

1675
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:14,279
said he stopped answering the phone because that's how they

1676
01:53:14,319 --> 01:53:19,479
would trigger him, just like right, So he said, he

1677
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:21,239
would get the call and they would give them the

1678
01:53:21,279 --> 01:53:23,960
trigger phrase and instantly he would be gone and there

1679
01:53:24,079 --> 01:53:27,239
was nothing he could do. And so we'll end. We'll

1680
01:53:27,399 --> 01:53:29,439
end with the quote from Lynn Hershel, don't let me

1681
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:32,800
forget that about the state of free will and being

1682
01:53:32,880 --> 01:53:37,319
a programmed you know, asset, And it's the most it's

1683
01:53:37,399 --> 01:53:40,159
so sad, you know, It's just something if you legitimately

1684
01:53:40,239 --> 01:53:43,720
take it seriously. I could never imagine going through something

1685
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:48,039
like this. But anyway, just look into the dark recesses

1686
01:53:48,159 --> 01:53:50,079
of his eyes, you know what I mean, and see

1687
01:53:50,159 --> 01:53:51,880
the pain here.

1688
01:53:53,520 --> 01:54:01,479
Speaker 5: Creative body, mother and what's on.

1689
01:54:02,439 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 6: Ronich is an operation that was created by the United

1690
01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,800
States government to trade spies for other countries. They used

1691
01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:12,520
children for the purpose that they are easily integrated into

1692
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:18,000
multiple personalities cause they can associate. Program was too as

1693
01:54:18,079 --> 01:54:24,680
a young man, get adults who were powerful political leaders

1694
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:27,039
into positions where.

1695
01:54:27,359 --> 01:54:32,039
Speaker 5: They could be compromised. That was your mission.

1696
01:54:32,239 --> 01:54:36,439
Speaker 6: That was the initial mission. The whole mission was for

1697
01:54:36,600 --> 01:54:45,279
me to go into the military service and become an

1698
01:54:45,279 --> 01:54:50,159
officer in a few years after that, retire from the service,

1699
01:54:51,119 --> 01:54:55,800
not retire after twenty years, but after six years, and.

1700
01:54:57,399 --> 01:55:01,199
Speaker 5: Moved to Germany. And then the initial plan to take

1701
01:55:01,239 --> 01:55:02,239
over or to run the.

1702
01:55:02,239 --> 01:55:05,119
Speaker 6: Government was to put me in an ambassador's spot and

1703
01:55:05,199 --> 01:55:06,279
then later to come back to.

1704
01:55:06,279 --> 01:55:09,279
Speaker 5: The United States and to run for an office and

1705
01:55:09,399 --> 01:55:11,399
they would be the ones who controlled certain thing that

1706
01:55:11,479 --> 01:55:15,560
I did see you being an operative, so to speak.

1707
01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:17,880
I would be a puppet, a puppe up.

1708
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:21,439
Speaker 2: And you say, this plan broke down in nineteen eighty six,

1709
01:55:21,560 --> 01:55:23,239
but yet you told me that you still felt that

1710
01:55:23,279 --> 01:55:24,359
you were under the control.

1711
01:55:24,840 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 6: I am still under the control. Because they I do

1712
01:55:28,680 --> 01:55:35,920
not answer phones anymore, because that's how they get the

1713
01:55:37,640 --> 01:55:40,920
others to the triggers what I'll call them, and not

1714
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:43,760
personalities that contained no memories at all. They would put

1715
01:55:43,800 --> 01:55:46,479
in as hypnotic suggestions and only come out win. As

1716
01:55:46,520 --> 01:55:49,680
I said, a code is presented to them. And that

1717
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:52,239
happened several times in nineteen eighty nine, which is why

1718
01:55:53,119 --> 01:55:57,239
Paul and Mikey's memories are so confused. At that time,

1719
01:55:58,439 --> 01:56:04,720
they were attempting to destroy me because they were attempting.

1720
01:56:04,359 --> 01:56:06,840
Speaker 5: To access suicidal personalities.

1721
01:56:07,159 --> 01:56:10,880
Speaker 6: And other personalized that would get me in trouble lawaw enforcement.

1722
01:56:11,039 --> 01:56:15,239
When they programmed the personalities are the triggers, as I

1723
01:56:15,359 --> 01:56:15,880
called them.

1724
01:56:16,840 --> 01:56:20,000
Speaker 5: They would call me out and they would use a code.

1725
01:56:20,720 --> 01:56:25,920
Speaker 6: I would simply switch into that trigger, go to where

1726
01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:27,600
they called me to go, whether it would be or

1727
01:56:27,720 --> 01:56:29,359
get on their plane because they would already have the

1728
01:56:29,399 --> 01:56:32,159
tickets there. They would have the tickets there under a

1729
01:56:32,279 --> 01:56:35,600
name that only that trigger would know, and go to

1730
01:56:35,680 --> 01:56:37,960
wherever it was there would be somebody waiting for them

1731
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:40,039
in that stage and take them to wherever it was

1732
01:56:40,039 --> 01:56:41,800
that they were supposed to go, bring them back to

1733
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:43,960
the airport, put them on the plane. They would come

1734
01:56:44,000 --> 01:56:47,199
back home, and as soon as they walked in the door,

1735
01:56:47,680 --> 01:56:49,800
the memory of everything that had just happened would be

1736
01:56:50,159 --> 01:56:51,239
raised completely.

1737
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:52,239
Speaker 2: Wow.

1738
01:56:54,399 --> 01:56:57,760
Speaker 3: Anyway, I felt like as soon as I saw it,

1739
01:56:59,039 --> 01:56:59,960
did you see the whole thing?

1740
01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:00,199
Speaker 2: It?

1741
01:57:00,399 --> 01:57:03,960
Speaker 3: At least? I mean, it's not fascinating and how much

1742
01:57:04,000 --> 01:57:07,520
it reinforces everything that we just described as far as

1743
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:12,920
just the film of the mentran Candidate itself. It's something

1744
01:57:13,039 --> 01:57:17,720
that I feel like, once you gain a credible glimpse

1745
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:21,199
into exactly how they operate in a certain way, just

1746
01:57:21,279 --> 01:57:25,560
as far as the strategic methods that they're so well equipped,

1747
01:57:25,680 --> 01:57:29,920
and in terms of just understanding the useful nature and

1748
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:34,279
how they can exploit them to such an extraordinary level.

1749
01:57:35,000 --> 01:57:38,760
It's it's something that I just I feel like the

1750
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:43,880
vast majority of us are are so unaware of, right,

1751
01:57:44,079 --> 01:57:46,199
and the something that people.

1752
01:57:47,680 --> 01:57:49,520
Speaker 2: Like that's something people don't believe.

1753
01:57:50,359 --> 01:57:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. But yet when you go through the details

1754
01:57:54,720 --> 01:57:59,199
of those cases, every which one that that obviously includes

1755
01:58:00,039 --> 01:58:05,760
Paul Bannasi specifically. I mean he overlaps into confessions of

1756
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:09,000
a DC Madam by Nick Bryant, right, which is all

1757
01:58:09,079 --> 01:58:13,159
about the Craig Spence operation, who was a Republican Party

1758
01:58:13,239 --> 01:58:17,199
lobbyist and intelligence asset for the CIA, who effectively was,

1759
01:58:17,880 --> 01:58:20,239
you know, endured the worst case of suicide you've ever

1760
01:58:20,319 --> 01:58:22,880
seen this sort of thing in a hotel room. I

1761
01:58:23,000 --> 01:58:26,680
think Nick Bryant always said that he believes Craig Spence

1762
01:58:26,920 --> 01:58:30,479
did kill himself, but it was through force. Basically, they

1763
01:58:30,920 --> 01:58:33,960
told him again, they gave him an offer he couldn't refuse.

1764
01:58:34,039 --> 01:58:37,760
You're two overexposed. But you know, if you don't kill yourself,

1765
01:58:37,880 --> 01:58:42,359
we will, right, And so you decide. And I think

1766
01:58:42,479 --> 01:58:47,720
he ultimately left a letter and did decide on killing himself.

1767
01:58:47,800 --> 01:58:51,239
But he's no one to I will say more in

1768
01:58:51,439 --> 01:58:56,840
in a way due to his sinister background. But I

1769
01:58:56,960 --> 01:58:59,800
will say, when you see Henry Vincent, you know who

1770
01:59:00,159 --> 01:59:04,079
was essentially this this gay man who was closeted at

1771
01:59:04,119 --> 01:59:08,000
the time, and and I guess the nature of the

1772
01:59:08,039 --> 01:59:12,720
homosexual community at this throughout this juncture. This uh just

1773
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:18,319
in terms of the timing of of of the cultural acceptance,

1774
01:59:18,359 --> 01:59:19,960
I guess you know what I'm saying. It was it

1775
01:59:20,319 --> 01:59:25,079
was vastly different than the current environment. But uh, at

1776
01:59:25,119 --> 01:59:28,479
the same time, so he just started meeting with like

1777
01:59:28,640 --> 01:59:32,239
these these young callboys type of thing and having conversations

1778
01:59:32,319 --> 01:59:35,439
with them, and then realizing at one point he he

1779
01:59:35,600 --> 01:59:39,039
gets into uh the enterprise itself and he starts to

1780
01:59:39,159 --> 01:59:42,720
become a pimp sort of. But uh, yeah, it's very interesting.

1781
01:59:42,800 --> 01:59:46,359
And then he gets a call from Craig Vincent and

1782
01:59:46,600 --> 01:59:48,760
and or Craig Spence, I mean and and he goes

1783
01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:51,439
and sits down with Henry Vincent. And it's very strange

1784
01:59:51,520 --> 01:59:56,720
because uh, he inevitably starts bringing him such lucrative right

1785
01:59:56,880 --> 02:00:02,359
client tell that he doesn't he obviously doesn't reject this opportunity.

1786
02:00:02,439 --> 02:00:04,920
And so I think it was the second time he

1787
02:00:05,039 --> 02:00:10,199
met with Craig Spence, Henry Vincent, the operator for this

1788
02:00:10,359 --> 02:00:15,279
callboy ring, and he basically at first it was all

1789
02:00:15,840 --> 02:00:20,760
above age. It was apparently of age homosexual prostitutes who

1790
02:00:20,880 --> 02:00:23,279
he was providing because he knew them and they were

1791
02:00:23,359 --> 02:00:25,800
friends and he was trying to keep Allegedly, he's trying

1792
02:00:25,800 --> 02:00:28,600
to keep them safe in a way by controlling the racket.

1793
02:00:28,680 --> 02:00:31,439
He had business expertise that sort of thing, and he

1794
02:00:31,600 --> 02:00:34,439
just wants to reinforce his gay lifestyle to some extent,

1795
02:00:34,520 --> 02:00:39,079
I guess. And then he gets involved with this obvious

1796
02:00:39,159 --> 02:00:42,960
intelligence asset named Craig Spence, and so Craig Spence bringing

1797
02:00:43,039 --> 02:00:47,039
him all these prominent clientele to his operation. In the

1798
02:00:47,159 --> 02:00:49,880
second meeting he has with Craig, he goes to his

1799
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:53,199
apartment and I think it was DC and he goes

1800
02:00:53,279 --> 02:00:56,319
to his apartment, which happens to have twenty four hour

1801
02:00:57,079 --> 02:01:01,960
secret security or Secret Service security detail on site at

1802
02:01:02,039 --> 02:01:07,399
his apartment. So Henry Vincent goes into the apartment and

1803
02:01:07,479 --> 02:01:13,800
who does he see sitting on Craig Spence's living room couch. Oh,

1804
02:01:13,840 --> 02:01:16,000
it just so happened to be Lawrence he King from

1805
02:01:16,039 --> 02:01:23,439
the Omaha Franklin. Yes, exactly. And during this time, apparently

1806
02:01:24,199 --> 02:01:26,479
when he first went to the apartment, he sits down,

1807
02:01:26,520 --> 02:01:29,880
he's having a conversation with him. Feels like Craig Spence

1808
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:32,520
is kind of milking him to expose a little more

1809
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:36,079
than he would want to. Throughout the conversation, and then

1810
02:01:36,279 --> 02:01:38,600
he stands up and he says, here, come with me, Henry,

1811
02:01:39,039 --> 02:01:42,640
and they go over to this closet. He opens the closet,

1812
02:01:43,000 --> 02:01:45,640
he removes a back panel, a false back panel in

1813
02:01:45,720 --> 02:01:48,000
the closet and he pushed it to the side and

1814
02:01:48,199 --> 02:01:51,520
opens up an entire room with a tripod and a

1815
02:01:51,640 --> 02:01:54,439
camera in a two way mirror, and it has all

1816
02:01:54,520 --> 02:01:57,920
these security cameras and he says, he shows him and

1817
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:02,880
plays back the conversation they just had. It's like you're

1818
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:08,800
owned now, buddy, Like that's legitimately what happened to Henry Vincent.

1819
02:02:09,319 --> 02:02:12,239
So and by the way, you know Debor Jean Palfrey,

1820
02:02:12,840 --> 02:02:16,960
she was another madam she's connected to, like uh Sarah

1821
02:02:17,039 --> 02:02:20,439
Palin's husband, Uh the Todd Palin I think is his name.

1822
02:02:20,680 --> 02:02:23,600
He was He was apparently implicated in attending a broth

1823
02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:27,399
brothel just before Debor Jean Palfrey and she was running it.

1824
02:02:28,359 --> 02:02:31,520
She again, worst case of suicide you've ever seen. She said,

1825
02:02:31,560 --> 02:02:34,760
I'm never going to kill myself if anything happens, questioned

1826
02:02:34,800 --> 02:02:38,600
the aftermath that she's found hung to death in like

1827
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:42,039
the out house or like some uh you know barn

1828
02:02:42,159 --> 02:02:47,479
or or I think Yeah, that's literally what they're saying,

1829
02:02:47,560 --> 02:02:50,920
which is just fascinating. So anyway, I thought that was

1830
02:02:50,960 --> 02:02:53,159
worth showing. And then I just want to tell you

1831
02:02:53,239 --> 02:02:56,439
this one last statement and then we can close out

1832
02:02:56,479 --> 02:02:59,279
if you want. And I appreciate you letting me go

1833
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:05,119
off on. But so when I covered the James Holmes

1834
02:03:05,239 --> 02:03:09,720
episode and Aurora Man, I found this book. It was

1835
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:13,760
co authored by this woman named Lynn Hersha and her sister,

1836
02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:18,560
and it was given the title Secret Weapons How two

1837
02:03:18,720 --> 02:03:22,840
sisters were brainwashed to kill for their country. And she

1838
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:27,079
writes in the book, what angers me is the loss

1839
02:03:27,159 --> 02:03:31,000
of control. At any moment, someone could come to me,

1840
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:34,359
be dressed the right way and use the right code,

1841
02:03:35,039 --> 02:03:38,199
and I no longer have free will. I will do

1842
02:03:38,399 --> 02:03:42,800
anything for that person, anything that person requests. I hate

1843
02:03:42,840 --> 02:03:45,920
them for that. Nothing else is as bad as knowing

1844
02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:49,359
that I am always out of control, knowing that I

1845
02:03:49,439 --> 02:03:53,920
am still a laboratory experiment, a puppet whose strings are

1846
02:03:54,000 --> 02:03:57,600
hidden from everyone but my handlers, and I don't yet

1847
02:03:57,720 --> 02:04:01,119
know how to break free. And I just felt like,

1848
02:04:01,960 --> 02:04:04,880
that's almost how I think that was. It's basically how

1849
02:04:04,920 --> 02:04:09,760
I ended my episode because it felt so applicable, you know,

1850
02:04:09,960 --> 02:04:13,199
it was just like it resonated with me, man, just

1851
02:04:14,279 --> 02:04:17,680
hearing the plight of someone who has gone through something

1852
02:04:17,800 --> 02:04:22,880
like this and and then trying to actually consider the

1853
02:04:23,479 --> 02:04:27,000
gift that is free will and how much we can

1854
02:04:27,159 --> 02:04:30,680
claim possession of that, I mean, and.

1855
02:04:30,760 --> 02:04:34,039
Speaker 2: How I think how we don't realize that some people

1856
02:04:34,079 --> 02:04:34,439
don't have.

1857
02:04:34,560 --> 02:04:40,760
Speaker 3: It exactly exactly, and that's what's so just terrifying about

1858
02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:44,760
the concept in general. So I really enjoyed this conversation though,

1859
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:47,800
and I appreciate having you much.

1860
02:04:48,039 --> 02:04:51,399
Speaker 2: Before you go to me too. I can't wait. I

1861
02:04:51,439 --> 02:04:53,560
think it's gonna be really good, especially with like me

1862
02:04:53,720 --> 02:04:56,039
dropping a Columbine episode and then you coming in. I'm

1863
02:04:56,039 --> 02:04:58,640
sure you're going to fill in so many gaps, so

1864
02:04:58,840 --> 02:05:01,760
it's gonna be a great conversation. Where can everybody find you?

1865
02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:05,600
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, thank you, because I always forget to plug

1866
02:05:06,640 --> 02:05:08,920
I I can you guys can find me at the

1867
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:14,159
Underclass podcast first of all, obviously, which I'm very proud

1868
02:05:14,239 --> 02:05:16,760
of that name. As time goes on, like it just

1869
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:20,239
feels somebody, even I've had patrons reach out and say,

1870
02:05:20,359 --> 02:05:24,680
like you should offer a curriculum called the Underclass. I

1871
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:29,479
was like, hey, that's great, but I do really believe

1872
02:05:29,560 --> 02:05:34,840
that it's it's uh, you know, I remain in the underclass, right,

1873
02:05:35,079 --> 02:05:38,560
this is uh, we all fall perfectly onto that partisan

1874
02:05:38,880 --> 02:05:42,359
uh you know, spectrum, and and I I try and

1875
02:05:42,439 --> 02:05:45,079
reject that as often as possible, because I do feel

1876
02:05:45,159 --> 02:05:48,439
like ideology is a prison and and the moment you

1877
02:05:48,520 --> 02:05:53,079
can remove yourself from that, and and at least manufactures

1878
02:05:53,159 --> 02:05:57,239
some legitimate core principles and ethical values worthwhile that you

1879
02:05:57,319 --> 02:06:01,640
can rely upon as a foundation, you'll be okay, I

1880
02:06:01,720 --> 02:06:07,000
think you know, you'll you'll find yourself far less susceptible

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and vulnerable to falling into these prelaid and preordained outcomes

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and these these these very sophisticated traps psychologically just disrupting

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all of global society. So anytime I get to have

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a conversation with someone who is as you are, perfectly

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willing and open minded and objectively seeking the truth, that's

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what inspires me and makes me want to continue down

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this path. Because the relationships that I've been able to

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cultivate throughout this process, it really means everything to me.

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You know, It's like I'm forever grateful, So absolutely, I

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really appreciate you for having me on obviously, so thank you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for coming me. I'm really looking forward to

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our next conversation. So but of course, until next week,

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my friends, stay skeptical and we'll see you all then.

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Hey friends. The rabbit Hole is an independent podcast written, hosted,

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and produced by me Danny Mercy. Special thanks to Lindsey

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for research and writing. If you love the podcast, please

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and visit our website at Stayskeptical dot com for everything

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