Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
Speaker 2: and let's all make like we're doing something important for
Speaker 2: our families.
Speaker 1: Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, And for this week of Fivorous seventeenth,
Speaker 1: we're continuing with Lost Season two, episode nine, What Kate Did,
Speaker 1: in which Miss Kate Austin, riding a beautiful horse, strides
Speaker 1: offer only to the front of the bad parenting race
Speaker 1: with not one but two bad dads and a pretty
Speaker 1: terrible mother. Yeah, she's she's got she's got it all.
Speaker 2: Yeah rough one.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean, I mean I think that we
Speaker 1: all pretty much could have guessed that's what Kate did
Speaker 1: without having to watch an hour of it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, and I mean I get like, yeah, no,
Speaker 2: what what the bad dad did was very very very bad.
Speaker 2: But Kate, use your words like or just get the
Speaker 2: bleep yeah four away, getting the house fire first.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, this was just sort of like a like
Speaker 1: a yachtzi cup of different plot lines of this sort
Speaker 1: that we've seen a million times that they just spilled
Speaker 1: that onto the table. Okay, all right, fine, we had
Speaker 1: to do that, we had to get there, we had
Speaker 1: to finish it off. Fine, But I want to give
Speaker 1: a special honorable mention to the the agent of some
Speaker 1: sword who picked her up at the bus depot and
Speaker 1: then proceeded to exposition right up to the point where
Speaker 1: he crashed the car.
Speaker 2: That was the same Marshall who's buried.
Speaker 1: Holy cow, did he have did he have weightlifting exhibition?
Speaker 1: Or just we don't have time to show stuff, So
Speaker 1: just explain exactly everything that happened. Please, No wonder he
Speaker 1: couldn't drive? Well that was a lot, yes man, that
Speaker 1: could not have been more awkward. Oh man? But yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think this turned out to be just as
Speaker 1: much of a waste of storytelling time as we thought
Speaker 1: it was going to be. Why, I mean, just know,
Speaker 1: I guess the only sort of twist to it was
Speaker 1: that the guy she thought was her dad wasn't her dad,
Speaker 1: and that the bad guy was. But yeah, that guy
Speaker 1: was not really so much bad as he was useless,
Speaker 1: but still the like stepdad or whoever. Yes, what a
Speaker 1: trifecta of unhelpfulness those three yes parental units were. Yeah,
Speaker 1: poor Kate, Seriously, one night, I want these people to
Speaker 1: all sit around the fire and tell their terrible parents stories, right,
Speaker 1: and then maybe let's decide once and for all.
Speaker 2: Who is the winner here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just, you know, it's it's gone beyond interesting
Speaker 1: storytelling into camp at this point. Okay, roll on up,
Speaker 1: tell us your bad parents story. I mean some of
Speaker 1: them haven't been too I mean, Hugo's mom was just
Speaker 1: kind of bossy. But yes, we don't know, maybe there's
Speaker 1: more to that story. Right, if the show runs along enough,
Speaker 1: we'll he was a drug dealer. I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: we need to we need.
Speaker 2: Forty two minutes. Somebody get on that hurly back.
Speaker 1: Oh, for goodness sake, And she's she's hearing her dead
Speaker 1: murdered father's voice coming out of Sawyer, and they do
Speaker 1: seem like maybe they would have had a beer together
Speaker 1: at that point. Yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't understand that at first. I mean, obviously, I
Speaker 2: don't think I was necessarily supposed to. No, you know,
Speaker 2: this is just yet another way to attempt to connect
Speaker 2: the island life with the before life. I guess.
Speaker 1: Right then we have it's like all of us and
Speaker 1: we're ripped off the island and plunged into some sort
Speaker 1: of teen drama. She kisses the one boy out in
Speaker 1: the jungle, and then she comes in and she talks
Speaker 1: about how much she likes the other boy. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: all these boys and the other boy after he's been kissed,
Speaker 1: he's a little confused. He goes drinks with another girl.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. She also puts some. He remembered that too.
Speaker 1: It's like the OC, you know, seriously, that part could
Speaker 1: just go completely away and I would be perfectly happy.
Speaker 1: There's enough, isn't there, like enough really interesting things going
Speaker 1: on that we don't need to have. Oh No, Kate
Speaker 1: kiss Jack and then Sawyer said he loved her, And
Speaker 1: now Jack doesn't know it's right Sawyer said that, by
Speaker 1: the way, you folks are abandoned on an island with
Speaker 1: weird stuff on it, keep it in your pants.
Speaker 2: So many things that are trying to kill you right now,
Speaker 2: pay attention to that.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, exactly exactly where's Walts for example, Yes, getting
Speaker 1: in some screen time. It appears at the end. So
Speaker 1: but speaking of.
Speaker 2: That, SAYI did say that he had seen Walt so
Speaker 2: when that happened, correct, I was wondering. And then it's
Speaker 2: kind of the same thing when happened with the horse
Speaker 2: where it was like Kate was like, am I seeing
Speaker 2: Am I the only one seeing this? And Sawyer said
Speaker 2: he did see it, didn't he?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they had in all the time they've been
Speaker 1: on the island, they haven't seen horse poop anywhere. I mean,
Speaker 1: horses are not discreet. If there's a horse around, you're
Speaker 1: gonna see some evidence.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, polar bears they poop.
Speaker 1: Too, that's true. Oh I did enjoy Charlie's rebuttal, have
Speaker 1: you seen a horse? Why I saw a polar bear?
Speaker 1: You know, why are we asking at this point? Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a horse. Of course there's a horse. See that.
Speaker 1: That would be you know another hobby that people could do.
Speaker 1: An additional golf to a golfing, they can go horseback rin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've got the spa, the horseback riding, and the golf,
Speaker 2: so it's like a full service resort here.
Speaker 1: Absolutely right. The tailies are just going to start enjoying
Speaker 1: the good life now that they're there, yep, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: And Jin and Son looking happy, just sort of like
Speaker 1: when Sun is supposed to be taking care of Sore,
Speaker 1: I'm like, why is she with him? Let her be
Speaker 1: with her husband at all.
Speaker 2: It's the whole episode started with like Son and Jin
Speaker 2: coming out of their little tents, and then Hurley's next
Speaker 2: to them. I'm like, sorry, my dog's in here. She
Speaker 2: just jingled. Since when have we had these little these
Speaker 2: little tents like this is new, isn't it?
Speaker 1: Before we were maybe they took the little love nest
Speaker 1: that say you made for Shannon.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but.
Speaker 1: You know, Earle's giving him a thumbs up, well dear,
Speaker 1: And then of course, you know sights, they're digging a
Speaker 1: grave way to put the damper on it, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, rough, and that It was kind of amusing when
Speaker 2: Sawyer finally woke up from his you know Koma slash
Speaker 2: out of body, you know, possession that he experienced, not
Speaker 2: out of body, uh, but his his possession that he experienced.
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh cool, we're resting because I'm like
Speaker 2: I'm in a bed. She's like, let me show you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, brings him outside, like, yep, we're right where
Speaker 2: we were.
Speaker 1: She just let him on for a while. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what. We're in Hawaii. Nice hotel, isn't it. So
Speaker 1: you know, the other big suspenseful thing in this episode
Speaker 1: is they find this extra bit of tape. Mister echo
Speaker 1: very dramatically, well maybe not dramatically, but at great length
Speaker 1: of eventually gets to know the whole story. Yes, he
Speaker 1: and Locke are such birds of a feather, and it's
Speaker 1: just it's so fun to see them together because they're
Speaker 1: like sizing each other up, like can I outdo you
Speaker 1: in this particular area. So they find this thing and
Speaker 1: it's got this warning don't use the computer for anything else,
Speaker 1: and then Michael just goes and uses the computer for
Speaker 1: anything else because he's not listening. It's like, we just
Speaker 1: already blew that one up. You know, they didn't even
Speaker 1: have a have a episode or two. Wait, no, no,
Speaker 1: don't touch it. Don't touch it before somebody touched it.
Speaker 1: And he's just like, oh oos and he says hello,
Speaker 1: and this is who is this? And he says Michael,
Speaker 1: And then it comes back Dad, Dad, Oh Dad, found
Speaker 1: out I'm on a screen. Oh no, I wouldn't like this.
Speaker 1: My name's uh Joey. Yeah right, but yeah, okay, fine, fine,
Speaker 1: if it moves this along, fine we will accept it.
Speaker 1: But yikes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, for all that, for all that build
Speaker 2: up of like the whole entire Bible, Bible chapter and
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna give you something, it's very you know,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be very interested. And then they spliced it
Speaker 2: together and it was basically like a rule like don't
Speaker 2: use them, which they kind of I mean, before that,
Speaker 2: they weren't because they didn't think they could, Like they
Speaker 2: didn't think the computer would do anything, because it wouldn't.
Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, as soon as they
Speaker 2: get the the no no no.
Speaker 1: And it does it does. Interesting.
Speaker 2: But yeah, was there's supposed were we supposed to get
Speaker 2: more out of that spliced in video than that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, seemed like really a little more to it, and
Speaker 1: it was just kind of a long way to go
Speaker 1: for not a lot, right, but maybe it'll yeah this
Speaker 1: this episode, let's move on. Okay, thanks, But what did
Speaker 1: we learn parenting wise? It's super easy to damage your
Speaker 1: kid tremendously in a way that will cause her to
Speaker 1: set people on fire. So you might want to watch yourself.
Speaker 2: And if you don't try to keep a giant secret
Speaker 2: like yeah, yeah, from your child because it's really gonna.
Speaker 1: Or if you're going to keep it, keep it. Don't
Speaker 1: go back to the low life, stay with your nice, boring,
Speaker 1: army husband.
Speaker 2: Uh huh.
Speaker 1: Just that mother made so many bad decisions, yes, include
Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose you could make a case for
Speaker 1: her not protecting Kate's secret and turning her in. You
Speaker 1: could if she had done many things right and well
Speaker 1: leading up to that. But she's just just just like
Speaker 1: awful right all along, right, and just you know, she
Speaker 1: has to immediately turn her in, and then later on
Speaker 1: when Kate goes to visit her in the hospital, she
Speaker 1: does the same thing and gets Mackenzie asked and killed.
Speaker 1: But what she deserves that, dude, you know, right?
Speaker 2: I mean, at least the stepdad was like, I'll give
Speaker 2: you an hour head stop.
Speaker 1: Yes, but boy, what a what a.
Speaker 2: Thanks Dad.
Speaker 1: It was a not a source of comfort whatsoever.
Speaker 2: But then again, is that just like I'm just such
Speaker 2: a rule follower that.
Speaker 1: I guess that's what you want to hear from a
Speaker 1: guy who's like in a uniform. I think he's like
Speaker 1: a I don't know if he's just a recruiter in
Speaker 1: the army. Oh no, they said he was in war,
Speaker 1: but he's like, he doesn't have murder in his heart.
Speaker 1: I just have this nice uniform and hat, right, you know.
Speaker 2: Just yeah he was he was in Korea.
Speaker 1: So fantastically milk toasted. Yeah, she's like, I'm still going
Speaker 1: to turn you in, but I'll give you some time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, g thanks boy, you know, appreciate you so much.
Speaker 1: The time ever comes that they get rescued, Kate should go, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm good here right, Probably I'll see
Speaker 1: some of those people again and I'm done.
Speaker 2: Although the one is dead because she burned him up.
Speaker 2: The mom, the mom seemed to be at the brink
Speaker 2: when we last saw her because she was in the
Speaker 2: hospital and Kate, you know, risked everything to go and
Speaker 2: see her, only for her to turn around cause trouble.
Speaker 2: So maybe only the the army guys left who knows.
Speaker 1: He probably just as well not se here. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: Kate did a great job making making you know that
Speaker 1: the guy she set fire to probably had a coming.
Speaker 1: He had a very short amount of time to be
Speaker 1: loathsome and uh, you know, we know that character. You've
Speaker 1: seen that character in a million things like this, So
Speaker 1: you didn't.
Speaker 2: Have to do a lot.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's okay. He probably deserves it. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you know, parents, especially when there's some messiness in the
Speaker 1: child's conception and whatever all else, do you have a responsibility.
Speaker 1: Maybe don't let let her birth father beat you up
Speaker 1: and have give you a terrible life if you can
Speaker 1: help it, Yeah, you can. Really, a lot of damage
Speaker 1: was done to her that was not her fault. Somebody says,
Speaker 1: don't mistake coincidence for fate. I think it was, mister echo.
Speaker 1: Good advice. Yeah, that's your parents and everybody else. Right, Yes,
Speaker 1: I lack me some coincidence though, I mean, I'm mistaken,
Speaker 1: but I will try. This means something. This must mean something.
Speaker 1: That's absolutely mean, something is completely mean something.
Speaker 2: I'm sure of it. It's my motherly intuition.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's something in there about when when parents mess
Speaker 1: up so much that their kids try to take care
Speaker 1: of them, and that never ends up well. So Kate
Speaker 1: was ostensibly doing this all for her mom, who resoundingly
Speaker 1: did not want it right. So again I say, honey,
Speaker 1: take the bus before you kill the guy. Okay, take
Speaker 1: a plane to Australia. Maybe you're get lucky and get
Speaker 1: abandoned on an island before you kill anybody. It'll be great, yes,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it's just you never want to get to
Speaker 1: the point where your kids feel like they need to
Speaker 1: take care of you, because they aren't gonna do a
Speaker 1: bad job of it pretty pretty much, especially if they're
Speaker 1: on TV. But even if us, they're you know the
Speaker 1: the were you the one who didn't like the Mother's
Speaker 1: Day of Breakfast because you imagined what the was down
Speaker 1: in the kitchen? That's okay, honey, Mommy will come downstairs
Speaker 1: and he prosed with everybody else. Thank you. Oh well,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I guess we can say that
Speaker 1: sometimes it's okay for kids to have screen time because hey,
Speaker 1: Walt contacting contacting his people somehow possibly just could not
Speaker 1: have only it could not have been anything but a coincidence.
Speaker 1: But I don't know that kid, he makes things out
Speaker 1: the computer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, although you'd think that, you know the age Walt
Speaker 2: is and the age that the computer must be that
Speaker 2: he has encountered. In order to type out this message,
Speaker 2: he must be like, look at this ancient relic.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh well he was. Yeah, I guess he was
Speaker 1: able to figure it out. Yeah, so what will happen next?
Speaker 1: Will it happen too? Let's see the next episode, Season two,
Speaker 1: episode ten. Look how far we are already? Is the
Speaker 1: twenty third psalm? Like's take a guess who that's going
Speaker 1: to have to do with. I know the answer I
Speaker 1: am saying. I'm cheating the question.
Speaker 2: Do you want to know what I read?
Speaker 1: Scholar? Is it not mister Eco?
Speaker 2: Well, I think he's involved, but it's mostly about Charlie
Speaker 2: and his blessed mother.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm sorry to hear that. Okay, well, we'll
Speaker 1: see more about that next week. Neither of those sounds
Speaker 1: particularly appealing, but maybe we'll see the horse again. That
Speaker 1: was a pretty horse.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was a lovely horse.
Speaker 1: I want everybody get rides. You know, I think probably
Speaker 1: somebody there could make a saddle. Michael could make a
Speaker 1: saddle like he like you put together that that stretcher
Speaker 1: for Sawyer in about five minutes.
Speaker 2: He might need locke to health, maybe lock contan something.
Speaker 1: No time at all will be We'll be riding around
Speaker 1: the golf course. Mess it up, it'll be great. Come one,
Speaker 1: come on. Everybody will have saddle sores and that will
Speaker 1: be a thing. Okay, we will beat you back here
Speaker 1: tomorrow to discuss a man on the inside. Where nobody
Speaker 1: is getting killed at least yet, And there are no
Speaker 1: horses walking around, although horseback riding seems like the kind
Speaker 1: of thing that place would do.
Speaker 2: Maybe they have a d yeah, but do you do
Speaker 2: you want old people on horses falling off and breaking hips.
Speaker 1: Or you know, yeah, that's true. Hmmm.
Speaker 2: Do you know there's like though we I have in
Speaker 2: the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five, there are
Speaker 2: hay rides that just come rolling down my street sometimes
Speaker 2: with like a team of horses pulling a wagon full
Speaker 2: of people, I believe elderly people, you know, just out
Speaker 2: for a cruise around the neighborhood. So I'm always like, wait,
Speaker 2: are those hooves are those like clip clops that I hear? Yep?
Speaker 1: Indeed, did you see a wagon with hay or yeah?
Speaker 2: Or was it Yes? Was I llucinating?
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