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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday, we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, And for this week of Fivorous seventeenth,

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<v Speaker 1>we're continuing with Lost Season two, episode nine, What Kate Did,

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<v Speaker 1>in which Miss Kate Austin, riding a beautiful horse, strides

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<v Speaker 1>offer only to the front of the bad parenting race

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<v Speaker 1>with not one but two bad dads and a pretty

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<v Speaker 1>terrible mother. Yeah, she's she's got she's got it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah rough one.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I mean, I mean I think that we

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<v Speaker 1>all pretty much could have guessed that's what Kate did

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<v Speaker 1>without having to watch an hour of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, yeah, and I mean I get like, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>what what the bad dad did was very very very bad.

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<v Speaker 2>But Kate, use your words like or just get the

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<v Speaker 2>bleep yeah four away, getting the house fire first.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, this was just sort of like a like

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<v Speaker 1>a yachtzi cup of different plot lines of this sort

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<v Speaker 1>that we've seen a million times that they just spilled

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<v Speaker 1>that onto the table. Okay, all right, fine, we had

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, we had to get there, we had

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<v Speaker 1>to finish it off. Fine, But I want to give

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<v Speaker 1>a special honorable mention to the the agent of some

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<v Speaker 1>sword who picked her up at the bus depot and

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<v Speaker 1>then proceeded to exposition right up to the point where

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<v Speaker 1>he crashed the car.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the same Marshall who's buried.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy cow, did he have did he have weightlifting exhibition?

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<v Speaker 1>Or just we don't have time to show stuff, So

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<v Speaker 1>just explain exactly everything that happened. Please, No wonder he

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't drive? Well that was a lot, yes man, that

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<v Speaker 1>could not have been more awkward. Oh man? But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so I think this turned out to be just as

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<v Speaker 1>much of a waste of storytelling time as we thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was going to be. Why, I mean, just know,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the only sort of twist to it was

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<v Speaker 1>that the guy she thought was her dad wasn't her dad,

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<v Speaker 1>and that the bad guy was. But yeah, that guy

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<v Speaker 1>was not really so much bad as he was useless,

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<v Speaker 1>but still the like stepdad or whoever. Yes, what a

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<v Speaker 1>trifecta of unhelpfulness those three yes parental units were. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>poor Kate, Seriously, one night, I want these people to

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<v Speaker 1>all sit around the fire and tell their terrible parents stories, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then maybe let's decide once and for all.

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<v Speaker 2>Who is the winner here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's just, you know, it's it's gone beyond interesting

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<v Speaker 1>storytelling into camp at this point. Okay, roll on up,

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<v Speaker 1>tell us your bad parents story. I mean some of

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<v Speaker 1>them haven't been too I mean, Hugo's mom was just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of bossy. But yes, we don't know, maybe there's

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<v Speaker 1>more to that story. Right, if the show runs along enough,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll he was a drug dealer. I'd be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we need to we need.

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<v Speaker 2>Forty two minutes. Somebody get on that hurly back.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, for goodness sake, And she's she's hearing her dead

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<v Speaker 1>murdered father's voice coming out of Sawyer, and they do

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<v Speaker 1>seem like maybe they would have had a beer together

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<v Speaker 1>at that point. Yeah, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't understand that at first. I mean, obviously, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think I was necessarily supposed to. No, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>this is just yet another way to attempt to connect

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<v Speaker 2>the island life with the before life. I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>Right then we have it's like all of us and

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<v Speaker 1>we're ripped off the island and plunged into some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of teen drama. She kisses the one boy out in

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<v Speaker 1>the jungle, and then she comes in and she talks

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<v Speaker 1>about how much she likes the other boy. Oh my gosh,

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<v Speaker 1>all these boys and the other boy after he's been kissed,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a little confused. He goes drinks with another girl.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's right. She also puts some. He remembered that too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like the OC, you know, seriously, that part could

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<v Speaker 1>just go completely away and I would be perfectly happy.

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<v Speaker 1>There's enough, isn't there, like enough really interesting things going

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<v Speaker 1>on that we don't need to have. Oh No, Kate

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<v Speaker 1>kiss Jack and then Sawyer said he loved her, And

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<v Speaker 1>now Jack doesn't know it's right Sawyer said that, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, you folks are abandoned on an island with

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<v Speaker 1>weird stuff on it, keep it in your pants.

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<v Speaker 2>So many things that are trying to kill you right now,

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<v Speaker 2>pay attention to that.

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<v Speaker 1>So, yeah, exactly exactly where's Walts for example, Yes, getting

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<v Speaker 1>in some screen time. It appears at the end. So

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<v Speaker 1>but speaking of.

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<v Speaker 2>That, SAYI did say that he had seen Walt so

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<v Speaker 2>when that happened, correct, I was wondering. And then it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the same thing when happened with the horse

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<v Speaker 2>where it was like Kate was like, am I seeing

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<v Speaker 2>Am I the only one seeing this? And Sawyer said

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<v Speaker 2>he did see it, didn't he?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so they had in all the time they've been

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<v Speaker 1>on the island, they haven't seen horse poop anywhere. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>horses are not discreet. If there's a horse around, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna see some evidence.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, polar bears they poop.

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<v Speaker 1>Too, that's true. Oh I did enjoy Charlie's rebuttal, have

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<v Speaker 1>you seen a horse? Why I saw a polar bear?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, why are we asking at this point? Sure, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a horse. Of course there's a horse. See that.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be you know another hobby that people could do.

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<v Speaker 1>An additional golf to a golfing, they can go horseback rin.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've got the spa, the horseback riding, and the golf,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like a full service resort here.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely right. The tailies are just going to start enjoying

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<v Speaker 1>the good life now that they're there, yep, oh my goodness.

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<v Speaker 1>And Jin and Son looking happy, just sort of like

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<v Speaker 1>when Sun is supposed to be taking care of Sore,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why is she with him? Let her be

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<v Speaker 1>with her husband at all.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the whole episode started with like Son and Jin

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<v Speaker 2>coming out of their little tents, and then Hurley's next

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<v Speaker 2>to them. I'm like, sorry, my dog's in here. She

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<v Speaker 2>just jingled. Since when have we had these little these

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<v Speaker 2>little tents like this is new, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 1>Before we were maybe they took the little love nest

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<v Speaker 1>that say you made for Shannon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, but.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Earle's giving him a thumbs up, well dear,

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course, you know sights, they're digging a

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<v Speaker 1>grave way to put the damper on it, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, rough, and that It was kind of amusing when

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<v Speaker 2>Sawyer finally woke up from his you know Koma slash

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<v Speaker 2>out of body, you know, possession that he experienced, not

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<v Speaker 2>out of body, uh, but his his possession that he experienced.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, oh cool, we're resting because I'm like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in a bed. She's like, let me show you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, brings him outside, like, yep, we're right where

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<v Speaker 1>She just let him on for a while. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what. We're in Hawaii. Nice hotel, isn't it. So

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the other big suspenseful thing in this episode

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<v Speaker 1>is they find this extra bit of tape. Mister echo

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<v Speaker 1>very dramatically, well maybe not dramatically, but at great length

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<v Speaker 1>of eventually gets to know the whole story. Yes, he

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<v Speaker 1>and Locke are such birds of a feather, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just it's so fun to see them together because they're

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<v Speaker 1>like sizing each other up, like can I outdo you

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<v Speaker 1>in this particular area. So they find this thing and

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<v Speaker 1>it's got this warning don't use the computer for anything else,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Michael just goes and uses the computer for

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<v Speaker 1>anything else because he's not listening. It's like, we just

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<v Speaker 1>already blew that one up. You know, they didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>have a have a episode or two. Wait, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>don't touch it. Don't touch it before somebody touched it.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's just like, oh oos and he says hello,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is who is this? And he says Michael,

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<v Speaker 1>And then it comes back Dad, Dad, Oh Dad, found

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<v Speaker 1>out I'm on a screen. Oh no, I wouldn't like this.

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<v Speaker 1>My name's uh Joey. Yeah right, but yeah, okay, fine, fine,

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<v Speaker 1>if it moves this along, fine we will accept it.

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<v Speaker 1>But yikes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, for all that, for all that build

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<v Speaker 2>up of like the whole entire Bible, Bible chapter and

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<v Speaker 2>like I'm gonna give you something, it's very you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna be very interested. And then they spliced it

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<v Speaker 2>together and it was basically like a rule like don't

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<v Speaker 2>use them, which they kind of I mean, before that,

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't because they didn't think they could, Like they

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<v Speaker 2>didn't think the computer would do anything, because it wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And then all of a sudden, as soon as they

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<v Speaker 2>get the the no no no.

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<v Speaker 1>And it does it does. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, was there's supposed were we supposed to get

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<v Speaker 2>more out of that spliced in video than that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, seemed like really a little more to it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was just kind of a long way to go

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<v Speaker 1>for not a lot, right, but maybe it'll yeah this

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<v Speaker 1>this episode, let's move on. Okay, thanks, But what did

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<v Speaker 1>we learn parenting wise? It's super easy to damage your

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<v Speaker 1>kid tremendously in a way that will cause her to

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<v Speaker 1>set people on fire. So you might want to watch yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you don't try to keep a giant secret

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, yeah, from your child because it's really gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Or if you're going to keep it, keep it. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the low life, stay with your nice, boring,

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<v Speaker 1>army husband.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 1>Just that mother made so many bad decisions, yes, include

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I suppose you could make a case for

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<v Speaker 1>her not protecting Kate's secret and turning her in. You

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<v Speaker 1>could if she had done many things right and well

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<v Speaker 1>leading up to that. But she's just just just like

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<v Speaker 1>awful right all along, right, and just you know, she

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<v Speaker 1>has to immediately turn her in, and then later on

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<v Speaker 1>when Kate goes to visit her in the hospital, she

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<v Speaker 1>does the same thing and gets Mackenzie asked and killed.

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<v Speaker 1>But what she deserves that, dude, you know, right?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, at least the stepdad was like, I'll give

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<v Speaker 2>you an hour head stop.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, but boy, what a what a.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Dad.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a not a source of comfort whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>But then again, is that just like I'm just such

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<v Speaker 2>a rule follower that.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess that's what you want to hear from a

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<v Speaker 1>guy who's like in a uniform. I think he's like

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<v Speaker 1>a I don't know if he's just a recruiter in

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<v Speaker 1>the army. Oh no, they said he was in war,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's like, he doesn't have murder in his heart.

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<v Speaker 1>So fantastically milk toasted. Yeah, she's like, I'm still going

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<v Speaker 1>to turn you in, but I'll give you some time.

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<v Speaker 1>The time ever comes that they get rescued, Kate should go, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>Although the one is dead because she burned him up.

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<v Speaker 2>The mom, the mom seemed to be at the brink

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<v Speaker 2>hospital and Kate, you know, risked everything to go and

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<v Speaker 2>see her, only for her to turn around cause trouble.

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<v Speaker 2>So maybe only the the army guys left who knows.

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<v Speaker 1>He probably just as well not se here. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>Kate did a great job making making you know that

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<v Speaker 1>the guy she set fire to probably had a coming.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a very short amount of time to be

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<v Speaker 1>loathsome and uh, you know, we know that character. You've

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<v Speaker 1>seen that character in a million things like this, So

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Have to do a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, it's okay. He probably deserves it. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, parents, especially when there's some messiness in the

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe don't let let her birth father beat you up

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<v Speaker 1>and have give you a terrible life if you can

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<v Speaker 1>help it, Yeah, you can. Really, a lot of damage

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<v Speaker 1>was done to her that was not her fault. Somebody says,

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<v Speaker 1>don't mistake coincidence for fate. I think it was, mister echo.

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<v Speaker 1>Good advice. Yeah, that's your parents and everybody else. Right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I lack me some coincidence though, I mean, I'm mistaken,

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<v Speaker 1>but I will try. This means something. This must mean something.

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<v Speaker 1>That's absolutely mean, something is completely mean something.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure of it. It's my motherly intuition.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's something in there about when when parents mess

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<v Speaker 1>of them, and that never ends up well. So Kate

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<v Speaker 1>did not want it right. So again I say, honey,

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<v Speaker 1>take the bus before you kill the guy. Okay, take

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<v Speaker 1>a plane to Australia. Maybe you're get lucky and get

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<v Speaker 1>abandoned on an island before you kill anybody. It'll be great, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it's just you never want to get to

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<v Speaker 1>the point where your kids feel like they need to

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<v Speaker 1>take care of you, because they aren't gonna do a

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<v Speaker 1>bad job of it pretty pretty much, especially if they're

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<v Speaker 1>on TV. But even if us, they're you know the

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<v Speaker 1>the were you the one who didn't like the Mother's

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<v Speaker 1>in the kitchen? That's okay, honey, Mommy will come downstairs

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<v Speaker 1>and he prosed with everybody else. Thank you. Oh well,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, I guess we can say that

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes it's okay for kids to have screen time because hey,

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<v Speaker 1>Walt contacting contacting his people somehow possibly just could not

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<v Speaker 1>have only it could not have been anything but a coincidence.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know that kid, he makes things out

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<v Speaker 1>the computer.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, although you'd think that, you know the age Walt

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<v Speaker 2>is and the age that the computer must be that

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<v Speaker 2>he has encountered. In order to type out this message,

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<v Speaker 2>he must be like, look at this ancient relic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Oh well he was. Yeah, I guess he was

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<v Speaker 1>able to figure it out. Yeah, so what will happen next?

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<v Speaker 1>Will it happen too? Let's see the next episode, Season two,

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<v Speaker 1>episode ten. Look how far we are already? Is the

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<v Speaker 1>twenty third psalm? Like's take a guess who that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to have to do with. I know the answer I

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to know what I read?

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<v Speaker 1>Scholar? Is it not mister Eco?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think he's involved, but it's mostly about Charlie

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<v Speaker 2>and his blessed mother.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, I'm sorry to hear that. Okay, well, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see more about that next week. Neither of those sounds

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<v Speaker 1>particularly appealing, but maybe we'll see the horse again. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a pretty horse.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was a lovely horse.

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<v Speaker 1>I want everybody get rides. You know, I think probably

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<v Speaker 1>somebody there could make a saddle. Michael could make a

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<v Speaker 1>saddle like he like you put together that that stretcher

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<v Speaker 1>for Sawyer in about five minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>He might need locke to health, maybe lock contan something.

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<v Speaker 1>No time at all will be We'll be riding around

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<v Speaker 1>the golf course. Mess it up, it'll be great. Come one,

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<v Speaker 1>come on. Everybody will have saddle sores and that will

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<v Speaker 1>be a thing. Okay, we will beat you back here

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<v Speaker 1>tomorrow to discuss a man on the inside. Where nobody

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<v Speaker 1>is getting killed at least yet, And there are no

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<v Speaker 1>horses walking around, although horseback riding seems like the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing that place would do.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they have a d yeah, but do you do

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<v Speaker 2>you want old people on horses falling off and breaking hips.

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<v Speaker 1>Or you know, yeah, that's true. Hmmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know there's like though we I have in

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<v Speaker 2>the Year of Our Lord twenty twenty five, there are

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<v Speaker 2>hay rides that just come rolling down my street sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>with like a team of horses pulling a wagon full

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<v Speaker 2>of people, I believe elderly people, you know, just out

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<v Speaker 2>for a cruise around the neighborhood. So I'm always like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>are those hooves are those like clip clops that I hear? Yep?

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, did you see a wagon with hay or yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Or was it Yes? Was I llucinating?

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