Speaker 1: I wish there was a panel of people we could trust,
Speaker 1: and you would definitely you would be like, ahead of
Speaker 1: the panel, you want to watch a movie, they have
Speaker 1: zero propaganda. I don't want no fucking propaganda. I wish
Speaker 1: there was a list of movies that was approved by
Speaker 1: twelve people in the council, twelve people where they're like, dude,
Speaker 1: everybody watched the movie and they're like, this looks like
Speaker 1: a legit, actual story with zero product.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Tonight we're gonna get deep into movies and the esoteric messages,
Speaker 1: the illuminati messages to all these movies with the one
Speaker 1: and only Jay Dyer. How are you doing?
Speaker 2: Jed good Man? What's up? How are you doing?
Speaker 1: Good Man? I saw your video like last week and
Speaker 1: I wanted to get you on. You had the top
Speaker 1: ten most Illuminati movies of all time, and I was fascinated.
Speaker 1: I wasn't it. I'm like, damn, I gotta get him
Speaker 1: back on. We need to talk about these movies more
Speaker 1: in depth. And I got a bunch of movies that
Speaker 1: I want to talk about. See if you can get
Speaker 1: any kind of Illuminati angles and propaganda and all that,
Speaker 1: and the one off the top of my head that
Speaker 1: you got into was a two thousand and one space odyssey.
Speaker 1: You did a couple Stanley Kubrick movies, and for me,
Speaker 1: I always thought two thousand and one the propaganda behind
Speaker 1: that was just I think, I think at the highest level,
Speaker 1: anything that has to do with space, thing that shows
Speaker 1: balls floating in space, no matter what the plot is,
Speaker 1: automatically gets.
Speaker 2: Green lit, automatically faking gay and.
Speaker 1: Grant totally right, just like any space movie, Like, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what the plot is, Like, is there fucking
Speaker 1: spaceships and balls in the background and we're going from
Speaker 1: planet the planet Go Go? Does green light that shit? Right?
Speaker 3: Well? Kubrick's film also has giant phallic spaceships like entering
Speaker 3: into space and shooting out little seaman ships.
Speaker 2: Do you notice that that's that's intentional?
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know what's crazy is you know, and nothing's
Speaker 1: bigger than Amazon, right Amazon? Just whoever's running Amazon. I
Speaker 1: know it's Jeff Bezos, but I bet the top ten
Speaker 1: people in Amazon, they all go to the parties, right,
Speaker 1: they all like if you're at the top of Amazon,
Speaker 1: you at the top of Coca Cola, you're at the
Speaker 1: top of Time magazine. You're going, you're invited to the parties.
Speaker 4: You're at the butt parties. Yes, oh oh yeah totally.
Speaker 4: And so if you notice the logo of Amazon is a.
Speaker 2: Dick, It's a dick? Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Is that? Do you remember when he made that spaceship too,
Speaker 3: it was shaped like a penis.
Speaker 2: Everybody were making jokes about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like how come no one talks about how do
Speaker 1: they get away with that? It's supposed to be like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: it's a smile.
Speaker 2: Or something, right, I No, No, a smiling dick.
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: You know what the ethos is behind that?
Speaker 3: That's from Jack Parsons, remember, because Jack Parsons talked about rockets.
Speaker 2: He was the student of Crowley.
Speaker 3: He's the father of the jet propulsion laboratory stuff, right,
Speaker 3: so he talked to about rockets actually being like little
Speaker 3: seamen that we are shooting off into space to impregnate
Speaker 3: the galaxy.
Speaker 2: That's his his terminology.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, the whole Jack Parsons thing and JPL. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I.
Speaker 3: Mean, well that's the Space program is again. It's like
Speaker 3: actually about sex magic.
Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy? That like Cannason Owens is just discovering
Speaker 1: this and she's talking about it like it's all into it,
Speaker 1: and everybody thinks she's crazy. Everyone's saying, okay, Cannas owens
Speaker 1: she's lost her mind. She has some good points about
Speaker 1: you know, Trump or whatever, but she's talking about fake
Speaker 1: moon Landing's okay, she's fucking lost. She's a cook. Cannas
Speaker 1: owns is a kook. Meanwhile, she's she's probably smarter than
Speaker 1: most of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, and she'll say some stuff. I think
Speaker 3: it's crazy. I don't think Charlie Kirk was a time traveler,
Speaker 3: and I don't think there was no you know, Amazon
Speaker 3: technology that the CIA stole to quit working in twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: But the other stuff she talks about is stuff, you know,
Speaker 3: the people in the conspiracy world have been talking about
Speaker 3: for a long time, especially anything to do with like
Speaker 3: sex magic, because in the Krollian view, for example, they
Speaker 3: think that when you're engaging in these rituals, you're tapping
Speaker 3: into entities in other dimensions that correspond to like constellations
Speaker 3: or the serious, the constellation serious the dog star like.
Speaker 2: That's what they think you're tapping into.
Speaker 3: So the whole idea of like aliens is directly out
Speaker 3: of like the Krollian ethos of contacting higher entities.
Speaker 2: So that's why.
Speaker 3: These moves and a lot of the people in Hollywood
Speaker 3: are Crollians. I don't think Kubrick was a Crollian because
Speaker 3: I've talked to Vivian Kubrick a whole bunch. We had
Speaker 3: a long conversation on the phone the other day actually,
Speaker 3: and I was asking her all about this stuff, and
Speaker 3: she wouldn't say anything about the esoteric stuff per se,
Speaker 3: but she said that her dad knew about that stuff.
Speaker 3: He was supposedly agnostic, didn't really have any perspective on it.
Speaker 3: I do think he was putting a lot of that
Speaker 3: symbolism and ideology in the film, though, because it's about
Speaker 3: monkeys becoming man, and the man basically beating the robots
Speaker 3: to become one with the robots. If you read the
Speaker 3: rest of the Arthur Clark series, and then you then
Speaker 3: men become gods through transhumanism. So that's also a bunch
Speaker 3: of esoteric gibberis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know there's some movies that people think that,
Speaker 1: and they may be correct, but they're put out to
Speaker 1: show you what they're doing so that they can do it.
Speaker 1: Karma free as long as they tell you what they're
Speaker 1: doing and you accept it, they can do it and
Speaker 1: there's no retaliation of some sort of like I'm having
Speaker 1: trouble understanding that, but apparently that's part of like black magic.
Speaker 1: Like if you black magic is totally okay, if you
Speaker 1: tell people you're going to do it and they accept it,
Speaker 1: then you could do it. Can you explain a little
Speaker 1: bit of that?
Speaker 3: So well, I don't think that everybody who believes in
Speaker 3: occult views has to accept that, because in the occult world,
Speaker 3: people can kind of craft the cult, the occult perspectives,
Speaker 3: or their systems to be whatever they want. And a
Speaker 3: lot of the people who do that. For example, again
Speaker 3: I don't mean to harp on Curley all the time,
Speaker 3: but like in Croley's system, you could go up the
Speaker 3: grades of his oto and then when you graduate from that,
Speaker 3: what you learn is to create your own religion. So
Speaker 3: it's actually a graduate school in creating a cult or
Speaker 3: a religion. That's why you see al Ron Hubbard creates
Speaker 3: scientology after that, after he goes through that, you see
Speaker 3: Gerald Gardner, after he goes through croley system, he goes
Speaker 3: and creates modern Wicca.
Speaker 2: So all modern witchcraft comes out of that, and other
Speaker 2: people as well.
Speaker 3: Jack Parsons studied that system and that he tried to
Speaker 3: create his battle on working out of the Croley degrees.
Speaker 3: So they don't have to necessarily be committed to some
Speaker 3: system because they think ultimately when they graduate.
Speaker 2: That their God.
Speaker 3: So if you're God, you're not bound by some rule
Speaker 3: that says you have to tell people what to do. However,
Speaker 3: I do think there is a tradition, there is an
Speaker 3: idea amongst some of those people. You know, you could
Speaker 3: read like Michael Laquina writes some of his black magic
Speaker 3: works and he thinks that when you gaslight people like
Speaker 3: that on a large scale, you already kind of mind
Speaker 3: fuck them and then they are more susceptible to receiving
Speaker 3: information and messages later on. Because you basically you ever
Speaker 3: watched that movie. It's a great movie, that movie Gaslight.
Speaker 3: You ever seeing that?
Speaker 2: No, you should watch that.
Speaker 3: This is an old forties movie by a famous forties
Speaker 3: director's name is George Kukor, and he made that movie
Speaker 3: about this guy who starts dating this woman who has
Speaker 3: a bunch of wealth. But the guy's a con artist
Speaker 3: and he basically rigs all of these scams and cons
Speaker 3: in this house that he's built to make her think
Speaker 3: the house was haunted, but it's all just fake. But
Speaker 3: what he's doing is he's driving her crazy, like he's
Speaker 3: stealing her stuff and hiding it and.
Speaker 2: Then putting it back so she thinks she's going nuts.
Speaker 3: So basically gaslighting at that level where they tell you
Speaker 3: things ahead of time, I think it just prepares people,
Speaker 3: It conditions people. It's part of propaganda as well, just
Speaker 3: on a propaganda level, not on a cold level, just
Speaker 3: basically propaganda if you kind of lead people into this
Speaker 3: condition with that. But also I think sometimes there's people
Speaker 3: who do believe in lesser magic that they can sort
Speaker 3: of again just sort of mind fuck people by giving
Speaker 3: them ahead of time or gaslighting them ahead of time
Speaker 3: and then later rolling it out. So I think all
Speaker 3: those things are going on, and it kind of depends
Speaker 3: upon who the director is, how tied into you know,
Speaker 3: Hollywood it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I was at the Universal Horror Halloween
Speaker 1: Nights last year for Halloween and it just basically a
Speaker 1: bunch of gigantic haunted houses where and they're all the same.
Speaker 1: It's just like, you know, there's a huge line and
Speaker 1: the line goes into this haunted house. When you go
Speaker 1: into these little hallways, people jump out at you and
Speaker 1: scare you, and then they go back and hide and
Speaker 1: wait for the next person and same thing. You just
Speaker 1: walk through. Someone out and scares you and they might
Speaker 1: have a chainsaw blood all over them. That was the thinking.
Speaker 1: I'm there with my wife and my son, and I'm thinking, man,
Speaker 1: they really push horror. They really do. Like what is
Speaker 1: why do they need to push horror? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I was there for a few hours, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I have a theory. I have a theory because at
Speaker 1: the highest level, a dream of chrome is probably their
Speaker 1: most that's like goal to them, right, if it's real,
Speaker 1: If it's like traumatized young blood, baby blood coming from
Speaker 1: a traumatized child and living child, apparently that's supposed to
Speaker 1: be the most powerful form of like alixir or like
Speaker 1: youth theoreum. Right, that's the theory, right, Like they're drinking
Speaker 1: a dream of chrome at the highest level, and what
Speaker 1: is it. It's baby blood and traumatized baby blood, because
Speaker 1: when you traumatize the babies.
Speaker 2: Or the childs that are released.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like all this stuff's really so that could be
Speaker 1: all boosted. I don't know, but that's what they're saying,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what the conspiracies. I saw it on YouTube.
Speaker 1: So if that's true, If that's true, they need the
Speaker 1: victim to be horrified, and the more horrified they are,
Speaker 1: the better the adrenochrome. So it's I think these the
Speaker 1: horror movies and every like haunted houses, I think they're
Speaker 1: to train people what to be scared of. So when
Speaker 1: they do it and you see all these like satanic rituals,
Speaker 1: and like the Satanic rituals look like shit you see
Speaker 1: like on TV and stuff, and and so they teach
Speaker 1: them to be scared of certain things, and it's all
Speaker 1: maybe these rituals they don't maybe they don't even believe
Speaker 1: in this satanic Luciferian rituals. They just do it because
Speaker 1: they know it's gonna scare the shit out of the
Speaker 1: victims and it's gonna make for better adrenochrome. So I
Speaker 1: think I think horror movies, this is my opinion. I
Speaker 1: don't know shit. I think horror movies Hunted a House
Speaker 1: and all that shit, Halloween, I think it's designed to
Speaker 1: teach us what to be scared of, because you've seen
Speaker 1: those videos of like kids that weren't taught to be
Speaker 1: scared of snakes, and they're like, there's these kids in
Speaker 1: Indian they weren't taught to be scared of these king cobras,
Speaker 1: and they defang the cobras and they take the poison out.
Speaker 1: But then there's these videos of like kids just playing
Speaker 1: with snakes and they're not even scared of them. So
Speaker 1: they're not they weren't taught to be scared of them,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So, yeah, theory is horror
Speaker 1: movies they push them so fucking hard because they're teaching
Speaker 1: us what to be scared of.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a lot of things going on there.
Speaker 3: I think at the level of social engineering and control,
Speaker 3: they are pushing that because the society itself is becoming
Speaker 3: more and more demonic at the same time as the
Speaker 3: elites are pushing more and more demonic degenerate shit. So
Speaker 3: it's a symbiotic circle of shit there. It's like a
Speaker 3: it's a snake of shit eating its own shit, right
Speaker 3: like Ora Boros. That's what's going on with the elites
Speaker 3: and society, and it's like degrading society.
Speaker 2: So people are looking.
Speaker 3: For more and more extreme versions of things or thrills
Speaker 3: to feel anything, because we're getting so degenerate. But also
Speaker 3: when I wrote the first book, I remember researching Sir
Speaker 3: call Wood Part one. I was researching Hitchcock and some
Speaker 3: of those films when they were new, right, because nobody
Speaker 3: had seen slasher films before Psycho came out, right, and
Speaker 3: that shocked everybody because that was like people never seen
Speaker 3: anything like that. And you watch it now and it's
Speaker 3: like it doesn't even show anything, it just shows it
Speaker 3: just shows a knife and then it cuts the blood,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it's it's tame, but
Speaker 3: like it shocked the audiences back at the time, and
Speaker 3: they were studying that and the effects that it had
Speaker 3: on people. And I mean this has been this has
Speaker 3: been like scientifically studied to the end degree that seeing
Speaker 3: a lot of these kind of traumatic events, which if
Speaker 3: you go back like two three hundred years, right, you
Speaker 3: might have seen one traumatic event in your life, maybe
Speaker 3: you went to war or something like that. But to
Speaker 3: see even if it's simulated or synthetic, like hundreds and
Speaker 3: hundreds of versions of this, it affects the psyche and
Speaker 3: the body. It's a psychosomatic effect, and a lot of
Speaker 3: times it makes people catatonic. So it puts you in
Speaker 3: more of a suggestible You don't become reactionary and angry necessarily,
Speaker 3: you become more and more passive and catatonic, at least
Speaker 3: for a time period. Right, So I think that that
Speaker 3: trauma that they push constantly. And I'm not saying it's
Speaker 3: a big deal to still I watch horror movies. I
Speaker 3: don't think it's a big deal. But if you're not
Speaker 3: careful about it, if the way it affects a lot
Speaker 3: of people, especially if you're young, right, it can be traumatic,
Speaker 3: but that can be used to make the society more
Speaker 3: and more pliable. That's my theory about like why they
Speaker 3: push you know, more and more extreme forms of trauma.
Speaker 3: But also people don't like movies also suck pretty bad
Speaker 3: for the most part nowadays, So the people are I think,
Speaker 3: drifting towards horror because on the one hand, a lot
Speaker 3: of horror movies are cheap to make, but also horror
Speaker 3: films at least still give some kind of a feel, right,
Speaker 3: you still get involved in the process and feel something,
Speaker 3: namely just jump scares or whatever. Because other movies and
Speaker 3: things that we see now that they're so fake and
Speaker 3: sort of plastic.
Speaker 2: It might even be just all AI.
Speaker 3: Who knows if they're only AI has probably been writing
Speaker 3: movies for a while now. So I think people are
Speaker 3: wanting to feel stuff, so they're drifting towards like a
Speaker 3: very sensationalist type of film, like horror movies. That's that's
Speaker 3: my theory though. But on an occult level, I think
Speaker 3: you're right. Like they when they did the m cultural studies,
Speaker 3: they realize that whatever you could do to an individual,
Speaker 3: you can and traumatize them and study all that my
Speaker 3: control shit, like, you could expand that to a microcosm
Speaker 3: level and do it on the mass psyche. So if
Speaker 3: you can damage the individual psyche through these types of trauma,
Speaker 3: if you project that on a mass scale through mass media,
Speaker 3: you can damage the collective consciousness as well.
Speaker 2: So I think that's how they view it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's not like you need it to work
Speaker 1: on one hundred percent of the people, right because there's
Speaker 1: like like rap gangster rap. There's people say like, why
Speaker 1: should they censor gangster rap? I love gangster rap. I'm
Speaker 1: not out there shooting people up. I'm not doing drive
Speaker 1: by it's like it doesn't have to work on everybody
Speaker 1: as long as like if it works on like if
Speaker 1: gangster rap and today's gangster rap, it's like harder than ever.
Speaker 1: Every rap video they got mad cash, they got guns, diamonds,
Speaker 1: they're every rapper gotta have at least one music video
Speaker 1: shot in a jewelry store, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And there's or another one is gonna be like at
Speaker 1: a you know where they bag up the coke and
Speaker 1: everyone's naked because they got to be naked. There's like
Speaker 1: everyone got a video like that. There's gotta there's gotta
Speaker 1: be mad cash, like stacks of cash in every video.
Speaker 1: They gotta cash everywhere. I'll fake cash, but uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's it definitely influences some people, and I think that's
Speaker 1: enough if it like especially like you said, younger people,
Speaker 1: if you see all the guns, the cash, and the
Speaker 1: women and the drugs and the drug dealing, and then
Speaker 1: the song's good too, and you could dance to it.
Speaker 1: It's not gonna make everybody. It's not gonna turn everybody
Speaker 1: into a criminal, but it could definitely turn twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five percent of young kids into into criminals eventually. And
Speaker 1: I think that's all they're aiming for. They know it's
Speaker 1: not gonna work on everybody. It's just like when you
Speaker 1: go to a hypnotist show. They know everybody can be hypnotized.
Speaker 1: So before the show, hypnotist goes out and he goes
Speaker 1: out in the studio audience and he's testing everybody. He's
Speaker 1: figuring out tricks, and they're looking for the people that
Speaker 1: are easily hypnotizable. I would say twenty to thirty percent
Speaker 1: of people are hypnotizable and the rest aren't. I'm not antizable,
Speaker 1: but I don't need to be. All they need is
Speaker 1: a thirty percent and it's successful, and that's a win
Speaker 1: win win. They're not trying to get everybody. They're just
Speaker 1: trying to get like a nice percentage, and that's all
Speaker 1: it's needed to be considered useful for them.
Speaker 3: Well, think about video games as a great example what
Speaker 3: you're saying, and I'll mean to transition out of movies.
Speaker 3: But the Pentagon helped develop first person shooters on record
Speaker 3: because they wanted to figure out ways to train dudes
Speaker 3: to just immediately shoot without thinking morally like should I
Speaker 3: shoot this thought? You know, they had people had a
Speaker 3: lot of reticence when it came to shooting people, and
Speaker 3: even going all the way back to the education system,
Speaker 3: like when the when the Prussians were trying to develop
Speaker 3: the perfect soldier, they really did a lot of early
Speaker 3: research and how to perfectly condition a soldier to not
Speaker 3: have any second thoughts about shooting and to just do
Speaker 3: it like a reflex.
Speaker 2: That became the model.
Speaker 3: The Prussian system of soldiers became the model for the
Speaker 3: American education system on record, and that same model is
Speaker 3: the idea behind why they wanted to train people through
Speaker 3: video games and first person shooters to have absolutely no
Speaker 3: moral qualms.
Speaker 2: You just follow the orders, dude.
Speaker 3: So that's why, of course they like AI and drones
Speaker 3: because they're not going to you know, obviously they'll do
Speaker 3: whatever they're pro going to do, but they were originally
Speaker 3: trying to program humans to do that. So I think
Speaker 3: you're absolutely right that what movies do in many ways
Speaker 3: is try to foist all kinds of propaganda, and they
Speaker 3: they don't have to get the majority of the population,
Speaker 3: like you said, like good good effect of propaganda if
Speaker 3: it reaches a sizeable percentage of the population is successful
Speaker 3: or significant. Especially for example, they're trying to create crazy,
Speaker 3: So they're trying to create people that will go out
Speaker 3: and pop off, like you only need a small portion
Speaker 3: of the population mind controlled or like you said, susceptible
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think that definitely goes on.
Speaker 3: And all those MK ulture techniques that actually comes out
Speaker 3: of studying like shamans and breuhas and bruhos and how
Speaker 3: they were able to use inheogens and various drugs to
Speaker 3: mind control people in the cult.
Speaker 2: And when the CIA study all that stuff.
Speaker 3: And the shrooms and all that through Gordon Lawson, they
Speaker 3: were trying to look at how shamans were able to
Speaker 3: control populations.
Speaker 1: Damn you know, you know. And then there's then there's
Speaker 1: movies like uh like hm, the New World Order needs
Speaker 1: people in cities. They don't the people that are self sustaining,
Speaker 1: living on their own and farm. That's not good for
Speaker 1: that's not good. Illuminati don't like that, so they want
Speaker 1: what I think there's movies that keep people in cities
Speaker 1: or drive people to the cities if you like you
Speaker 1: look at like like uh, like the movie Deliverance, right, Deliverances,
Speaker 1: some city folk they go out to uh, they go
Speaker 1: river rafting in the woods, and then they get butt fucked.
Speaker 4: By everybody's in bread, right, they're all retarded. The guy
Speaker 4: playing the banjo totally retarded. They're gonna fuck you in
Speaker 4: the ass. If they catch you, you're gonna like a pig.
Speaker 4: And you're dying to give back to the city, like
Speaker 4: the City. It's the safe had same thing with like
Speaker 4: Friday the thirteenth. You know, they're out in the woods.
Speaker 4: There's all these kids, they're all you're trying to have
Speaker 4: fun in the woods. But what you really want to
Speaker 4: do is give back to the city.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's retarded. This retarded kid is going to
Speaker 3: chop you up right, yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know you you want to find the cops.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, the cops, and we need to we
Speaker 1: need to go back to the city and find the police.
Speaker 1: And then when you find the police, you find it
Speaker 1: out there in on it too, like they're in on it.
Speaker 1: That's the worst you think.
Speaker 3: Did I was just watch this is so many horror movies, right,
Speaker 3: Like if you think about shit, was that when I
Speaker 3: was just watching The Strangers, right, the whole the last
Speaker 3: this new horror trilogy, The Strangers, that whole theme is
Speaker 3: we're out in the middle of Middle America, Bible Belt,
Speaker 3: and these people just end up there from the city
Speaker 3: and what do you know, the whole city is a
Speaker 3: bunch of psycho.
Speaker 2: Inbreds that are trying to murder people.
Speaker 3: Right, same plot with Texas chain If you go out
Speaker 3: in the country of Texas, a bunch of inbread chainsaw
Speaker 3: cannibals are going to eat. Like every horror movie in
Speaker 3: the last thirty years has that theme. But also TV
Speaker 3: shows people forget that, Like when you watch and I
Speaker 3: like X Files just because it's a fun TV show.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't believe in a lot of the
Speaker 3: propaganda in it. But if you watch X Files, every
Speaker 3: time Molder and Scully go to a small town, the
Speaker 3: local police are idiots. Only the Feds are sophisticated and intelligent.
Speaker 3: Every local cop, every local person, every local official, all they're.
Speaker 2: All just retards.
Speaker 3: But only the Feds are the most sophisticated, right, and
Speaker 3: they know philosophy and they know ethics and they but
Speaker 3: everybody in the city, in the city is that way,
Speaker 3: and everybody in the countryside is retarded. That's on purpose, absolutely.
Speaker 3: I mean I don't think every time it's in a plot,
Speaker 3: it's on purpose. But I'm saying, like, overall this propaganda
Speaker 3: is everywhere, just like now you see like thirteen year
Speaker 3: old chicks, right, they're the heroes of every movie. They
Speaker 3: can whip everybody's ass. It's just preposterous. But that's by
Speaker 3: design to invert everything. So mostly what you see in
Speaker 3: films is propaganda, not just for like the state or
Speaker 3: for the CIA, there's a lot of that, but also
Speaker 3: propaganda in terms of gender and confusing gender, making you
Speaker 3: think that all the dudes are a bunch of pussies.
Speaker 3: In every chick is like some badass, you know, martial
Speaker 3: arts expert, but all the dudes are a bunch of pussies.
Speaker 3: Like all that's on purpose, and it actually began if
Speaker 3: you go back in the two thousands, there was actually
Speaker 3: a lot of commercials that started with that. You would
Speaker 3: see commercials for products and the wife runs the house
Speaker 3: and she knows everything, and the sitcoms remember this, like
Speaker 3: Home Improvement, right, Like the dudes are idiots, the moms
Speaker 3: are running everything. Al Bundy, Like that's been going on
Speaker 3: for a long time and now it's just now it's
Speaker 3: not even adults. It's like the kids are like the
Speaker 3: geniuses and run everything like goonies. Right, all the adults
Speaker 3: in the eighties movies are retards, but all the little
Speaker 3: teenagers know everything that's going on. Right, it's silly, but
Speaker 3: home alone exactly right outside those criminals. That's a great example. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I forgot about that, but yeah, I mean all of its inversion.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I forgot about the City. Did you have
Speaker 2: a specific.
Speaker 3: Movie other than Liternce you were thinking of, because there's
Speaker 3: so many like that where they're trying to tell you
Speaker 3: to get to the city in the city.
Speaker 1: Well one off the top of my head, and I
Speaker 1: know this is real, uh, because the Illuminati, they don't
Speaker 1: want self sustaining people in the world. They can't control them.
Speaker 1: They want everybody in a city where they control the food,
Speaker 1: they control the energy, nobody's growing their.
Speaker 2: Own fucking fings exactly.
Speaker 1: They want you in total control and dependent on them.
Speaker 1: So obviously they don't want people out of the ocean either,
Speaker 1: you know, so I think Jaws. Jaws is designed to
Speaker 1: go out of the goddamn ocean. It worked on me.
Speaker 1: It worked on me because like I'm not, I will
Speaker 1: never deep seed dive ever. I never deep seed diving.
Speaker 1: There's no fucking way. The second I jump into the
Speaker 1: ocean off some boat, I'm already thinking, a sharks, guy,
Speaker 1: it's going to attack me. And it was Jaws. Jaws
Speaker 1: did that, and and it did that to a lot
Speaker 1: of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember reading about that.
Speaker 3: There was studies done after Jaws that like people's attending
Speaker 3: the beach and swimming, like it went down like drastically
Speaker 3: percent as wise, like the summer that Jaws came out,
Speaker 3: because everybody just assumed that, like that's the power of
Speaker 3: what movies used to have. I don't think they have
Speaker 3: as much power anymore, but nobody has the power they
Speaker 3: had back then.
Speaker 1: The movie theaters around here, they're being rented out for
Speaker 1: like lectures and seminars exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: I mean COVID, like COVID did a huge number on
Speaker 3: movie theaters, Like they just collapsed after COVID so and
Speaker 3: they were some of the biggest supporters of all the
Speaker 3: COVID stuff, So I mean they ruined their own industry.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Mean that's that's a that's a good point about the oceans.
Speaker 3: And I mean think back though to the like the
Speaker 3: eighties and the nineties, right they started putting Arab terrorists
Speaker 3: into the movies. First one I can think of is
Speaker 3: the Libyan terrorist in Back to the Future, right, because
Speaker 3: they show up, they start shooting everybody who had even
Speaker 3: heard of Libyan terrorists in the nineteen eighties when Back
Speaker 3: to the Future came out, then you had True Lies.
Speaker 3: And in the plot of True Lies is one of
Speaker 3: the first movies, big blockbusters to have Arab terrorists as
Speaker 3: the That was way before nine to eleven too, right,
Speaker 3: So you had these films coming out kind of preparing
Speaker 3: for the war on terror. I think the gel James
Speaker 3: Bond franchise does that too, because in the in the
Speaker 3: Cold War, you didn't typically think about it as terror.
Speaker 3: You thought about it like, oh, there's Soviets and there's
Speaker 3: you know, there's a Marxist spies everywhere. Because of the
Speaker 3: movies in James Bond, and then in James Bond it
Speaker 3: transitions in the fiction into an international terror organization called
Speaker 3: Specter Inspector in James Bond stories replaces Smirsh, which was
Speaker 3: Soviet counter intelligence, so it's and that was real. It
Speaker 3: was called Smirsh by Stalin, and then it becomes Specter
Speaker 3: in the stories and the Spector is an international terrorist organization.
Speaker 3: So Ian Fleming was writing about that decades before there
Speaker 3: was a war on terror. And then we have net
Speaker 3: Yahoo and a bunch of people meeting in the early
Speaker 3: eighties at this meeting. It's a very famous me I
Speaker 3: think Brazenski was at this big meeting, and they were
Speaker 3: preparing everybody for the coming war on terror. And then
Speaker 3: you see Hollywood begin to push these plots and these
Speaker 3: these narratives of a coming war on terror, and then
Speaker 3: into the nineties, it's just it explodes right the closer
Speaker 3: that we get up to the Big nine event, there's
Speaker 3: all these films and I'm not pro Islam at all.
Speaker 2: I've been studying Islam for about eight years.
Speaker 3: And I can say as a person very critical of Islam,
Speaker 3: and I still think that, you know, that was all
Speaker 3: prepped for through propaganda.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seems I mean, I don't know shit, but
Speaker 1: it seems like Al Qaeda, the Taliban and all these
Speaker 1: terrorist groups isis and they were funded and trained by
Speaker 1: uh yous intelligence and other countries intelligence too. Oh uh,
Speaker 1: Like what the fuck is that? And then now recently
Speaker 1: last week, I'm sure you heard about this, they busted
Speaker 1: some NGO that was funding KKK groups like I swear
Speaker 1: to god, you could find it on a podcast I've
Speaker 1: done before. I've said it many times. I wouldn't be.
Speaker 1: I don't know shit, I have no evidence, but I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised if KKK is being funded by the
Speaker 1: CII wouldn't be. That wouldn't shock me at all because
Speaker 1: it promotes the whole They need racism, And it's pretty
Speaker 1: fucking obvious that deep state, Illuminati or whatever you want
Speaker 1: to call it, they promote racism. They want that divide.
Speaker 1: They want black people to hate white people, and white
Speaker 1: people they hate black people. They want so they it's
Speaker 1: like a it's like a hoax. It's like like they're
Speaker 1: pushing it. They want it. You know, obviously there are
Speaker 1: racist white people, there are racist black people. But to
Speaker 1: gather them and to promote them and to build them
Speaker 1: and pay them to do racist thing, come on, right,
Speaker 1: come on, I wouldn't be this. The other day, my
Speaker 1: school's downtown, LA and there was like this nice car
Speaker 1: part down the street and some guys are coming out
Speaker 1: of it with hoodies and everything, and they were tagging
Speaker 1: the walls and I'm like, I'm like you know what, Damn,
Speaker 1: I bet there's a there's there's a budget for graffiti
Speaker 1: in a city, like it's probably like, you know, ten
Speaker 1: million dollars a year or whatever to to pay for
Speaker 1: anti graffiti stuff like to paint over graffiti. There's got
Speaker 1: a budget for it. So I wouldn't doubt just like
Speaker 1: the homeless, they need homeless to keep the money coming in,
Speaker 1: and they can't eradicate homelessness because then they wouldn't the
Speaker 1: money wouldn't be coming in. So I thought, like, I
Speaker 1: bet they're paying fucking graffiti artists to go out and
Speaker 1: spray paint and ruin shit to keep the money coming in.
Speaker 3: That's a real yeah. I never even thought about that
Speaker 3: with graffiti. But that's actually a really perceptive point. And
Speaker 3: once you realize over the years, and I know you've
Speaker 3: been knowing this for decades too, like you start to
Speaker 3: see over and over and over all this all of
Speaker 3: these problems are usually connected to the establishment in some way,
Speaker 3: as if the establishment, the establishment gives a perspective that
Speaker 3: they want to fix all the problems, Well, the establishment's
Speaker 3: existence is predicated on there being all these problems, so
Speaker 3: they foster the problem. The great example of this, if
Speaker 3: you remember, is RoboCop. The plot of RoboCop is awesome.
Speaker 3: If you remember, you got to go back and watch it.
Speaker 3: If you haven't seen a while, because I'm over the
Speaker 3: older twenty years, you got to watch it. So basically
Speaker 3: i'll spoil it. But they are creating this corporation owns
Speaker 3: the cops and they're create these robot cops and AI
Speaker 3: cops right to run everything for the on the police side.
Speaker 3: And at the same time the corporation is running the
Speaker 3: gangs and the drugs and the cops. So they want
Speaker 3: the corruption to justify all the corporate funding and that
Speaker 3: they give because it's a future corporate police.
Speaker 2: State that they get from all the crime. And they
Speaker 2: need both.
Speaker 3: They need the dialectic of all the of the police
Speaker 3: state AI cops, and they need at the same time
Speaker 3: all the criminals in a ongoing, never ending war, just
Speaker 3: like the War on terror. Remember they said it was infinite,
Speaker 3: it will never end. John McCain said that the war
Speaker 3: on terror is a never ending war because you can
Speaker 3: never stop terror. So infinite war and perpetual war is
Speaker 3: the health of the deep state.
Speaker 2: It's the life of the deep state.
Speaker 3: That's why we can never stop doing these wars once
Speaker 3: you get and even people outside of the conspiracy world,
Speaker 3: even people just in economics, right, people that are critique
Speaker 3: King Kanesian economics, they figured out that the whole economic
Speaker 3: system of the last century and even now Knesianism is
Speaker 3: based on perpetual war because war is the health of
Speaker 3: the state. So you have to have perpetual conflict, perpetual
Speaker 3: as you said, domestic terrorists, racist, it has to be funded.
Speaker 3: And we said right after Charlottesville. We did a podcast
Speaker 3: in twenty seventeen, right after that happened, and everybody on
Speaker 3: the like, this is obviously a controlled, funded, fed thing, right,
Speaker 3: we all kind of knew that. We sense that and
Speaker 3: everybody because I've been listening to Alex in two thousand
Speaker 3: and three. Alix was talking about fake fed you know,
Speaker 3: racist groups back in two thousand and three. That's when
Speaker 3: I first heard him. He probably talked about it before that,
Speaker 3: because people started noticing this with OKC, because people forget
Speaker 3: that Timothy McVeigh, whatever you think about him, whether he's patsy,
Speaker 3: I think it's probably a patsy, but he was part
Speaker 3: of that fake Christian identity group called Elaheim City, which
Speaker 3: was a bunch of Feds running a honey trap that
Speaker 3: was behind the OKC event. And Christian identity doesn't mean
Speaker 3: you identify as a Christian.
Speaker 2: It's a cult that.
Speaker 3: Believes that white people are the lost tribes and that
Speaker 3: other races of people are the product of Satan having
Speaker 3: sex with Eve. So the irony is that that's kind
Speaker 3: of like a Talmudic It's like a cabalistic idea that
Speaker 3: sex with Eve produced certain races of people. But these
Speaker 3: Christian identity idiots who believe the serpent seed theory, they're
Speaker 3: actually believing like Zohar kabbalistic mythology. So point bing is
Speaker 3: like always these groups are always, especially they're really radical.
Speaker 2: I put it this way, I asked.
Speaker 3: I had John Kuriyaku, the whistleblower from the CIA on.
Speaker 3: We did a long podcast the other day and I
Speaker 3: basically just went through all of my conspiracy theories, and
Speaker 3: I was like, do you think this was true? What
Speaker 3: about this one? What about this? What about this one?
Speaker 3: Pretty much everything I brought up.
Speaker 2: He agreed.
Speaker 1: I saw a bit of that, and I've seen him
Speaker 1: on other podcasts. He was on Tucker Carlson too as well.
Speaker 1: How is he allowed to be alive. I mean once
Speaker 1: your CIA like.
Speaker 3: Like well, in his case, I mean, he was a
Speaker 3: he was a famous case where Obama put him in prison.
Speaker 3: So I mean, unless one believes that all that was fake,
Speaker 3: I don't think that was fake. I think he really
Speaker 3: did go to prison. How long I forget exactly, I
Speaker 3: mean it was I think he.
Speaker 2: Was there for a year or two.
Speaker 3: But but I mean it's like, like you mentioned last
Speaker 3: time we did a podcast Stockwell, you mentioned his I went,
Speaker 3: I bought the book that did the whole podcast on
Speaker 3: it after.
Speaker 2: You mentioned it.
Speaker 1: Is he still alive?
Speaker 2: Is he still alive?
Speaker 1: Yeah, John Stockwell, because he was the main guy I
Speaker 1: would listen to. But this was back before, right, like
Speaker 1: this was early YouTube days.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I bought that book and I thought it was
Speaker 3: really cool because I didn't know much about the CIA
Speaker 3: operations in Africa. So you recommended that and I went
Speaker 3: and read it to the podcast. So I'm just saying,
Speaker 3: like I don't really see. One thing I would say
Speaker 3: about whistleblowers is like a good indicator whether or not
Speaker 3: they're authentic or not, is if you let them, if
Speaker 3: you listen to them and watch them overtime, If they
Speaker 3: can consistently say the same types of messages and don't
Speaker 3: steer off into something crazy, then I think they're probably authentic.
Speaker 3: Because if somebody is a fake whistleblower, which are there
Speaker 3: are some of those, what they'll do is they'll come
Speaker 3: out with a bunch of true stuff and then they'll
Speaker 3: start steering it into the more and more just retarded.
Speaker 2: Shit on purpose.
Speaker 1: John Lee do you remember him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then Robert David Steele.
Speaker 3: That was the dude that went on Alex and he
Speaker 3: had all this information about PDF and networks of Satanists
Speaker 3: and all that, and then he started saying that, oh,
Speaker 3: we're farming out all the children on Mars and slave colonies. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was all in the news because he went on
Speaker 3: Alex to say that. So that's an example I think
Speaker 3: of like fake whistleblower, but I mean curiosit. He's always
Speaker 3: had a pretty consistent.
Speaker 1: Damn I thought Robert David Steel was legit.
Speaker 2: Now look up his Mars baby bullshit stuff.
Speaker 1: Oh no, God, damn it. I was really into that dude.
Speaker 1: I thought he was the truth.
Speaker 3: Well, I think Karaoku is incredible. I don't think that
Speaker 3: guy's credible. That's my assessment, but you know, I mean
Speaker 3: I could look, I'm not exactly sure how long he
Speaker 3: was in jail.
Speaker 2: It's it was at least I think I heard a
Speaker 2: year or two. Anyway, point being.
Speaker 3: Is like when I asked him his assessment of controlled opposition,
Speaker 3: you know, fake terror groups all that, he was pretty
Speaker 3: much just like yeah, absolutely man.
Speaker 1: You know, and do you think that like the big
Speaker 1: movie companies, you know, like Works or New Line Cinema,
Speaker 1: like all the big ones come or whatever. Do you
Speaker 1: think they because you always hear about script writers they
Speaker 1: sell their script to a movie company and then by
Speaker 1: the time the movie comes out, they totally switch the script.
Speaker 1: They change it so much and they're like not happy
Speaker 1: with it. You hear that all the time. Do you think,
Speaker 1: like you know, the Illuminati, the deep State, whoever they are,
Speaker 1: the people at the top running a cinema, do you think,
Speaker 1: like I say, probably, it's probably easier for them to
Speaker 1: take a legit script written by someone who is considered
Speaker 1: a legit writer who writes all day, take their script,
Speaker 1: look at it and see how they could propagandize it,
Speaker 1: and then they buy it based on that, yes, like
Speaker 1: oh we'll do that. Oh no, this is a good script.
Speaker 1: They did all the work for him, right, and instead
Speaker 1: of like coming up with a story from scratch, which
Speaker 1: they probably do sometimes, but most of the time, it
Speaker 1: would be easier for them to just let these legit
Speaker 1: script writers write a script and then they look at
Speaker 1: the script and they buy them based on how easily
Speaker 1: they are to propagandize.
Speaker 2: You think it works like that, absolutely, at least that's
Speaker 2: part of it.
Speaker 3: And as far as I can recall, nobody even knew
Speaker 3: about this whole idea of a connection between CIA or
Speaker 3: Pentagon and Hollywood or State Department in Hollywood until two
Speaker 3: thousand and three, is as far as I'm aware.
Speaker 2: Because I was studying this not as a conspiracy theorist.
Speaker 3: I was studying this in grad school, right, so I
Speaker 3: heard conspiracy suff but I wasn't when I was in
Speaker 3: grad school. I wanted to see, like, Okay, here's all
Speaker 3: these theories about movies and intelligence.
Speaker 2: Can we actually back this up?
Speaker 3: And in two thousand and three, I wasn't reading this
Speaker 3: book in tw thousand and three, But I'm saying this.
Speaker 3: The first book that I'm aware of in academia was
Speaker 3: a book called Operation Hollywood.
Speaker 2: I think the guy's named Donald Bain, so noe. Remember
Speaker 2: this is in.
Speaker 3: Academic publishing, This is not conspiracy world stuff. So they
Speaker 3: put out a book called Operation Hollywood because people started
Speaker 3: noticing amongst academic amongst academics, probably just a bunch of
Speaker 3: like mainline leftist people, they started noticing right after nine
Speaker 3: eleven that there was this really close alliance and connection
Speaker 3: between the Pentagon State Department, CIA and Hollywood and what
Speaker 3: was coming out in terms of scripts.
Speaker 2: So that whole book.
Speaker 3: Is a review of like Tom Clancy movies, Jack Ryan right,
Speaker 3: movies like Top Gun, you know that kind.
Speaker 1: Of huh black hawk Down?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that.
Speaker 3: Book came out before Black hawk Down I think, or
Speaker 3: was that late. I can't remember when black Hawk Down
Speaker 3: came out, but that book was published in two thousand
Speaker 3: and three. So basically just looking at movies prior to
Speaker 3: two thousand and three, and it was basically saying and
Speaker 3: showing all the areas where Pentagon, Army, FBI, like all
Speaker 3: of these agencies would critique. They would change the scripts right,
Speaker 3: So basically a lot of times they would say, we
Speaker 3: want you to present the Navy in a more positive way.
Speaker 3: We want you to put you know, recruitment propaganda in
Speaker 3: the film we want you to change this person's dialogue
Speaker 3: few good men I know that was in there, Remember that,
Speaker 3: like I want the truth, you can't handle the truth.
Speaker 2: Remember that kind of shit?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's all was propaganda stuff that was tweaked, and
Speaker 3: that was just looking at that stuff at a very
Speaker 3: basic level.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 3: This was funny because remember that movie The Recruit with Colin.
Speaker 2: Ferrell and didn't see it, you should.
Speaker 3: Watch it because it's Al Pacino and Colin Farrell and
Speaker 3: it's one of the first post nine to eleven movies
Speaker 3: where they openly admitted that the CIA was consulting on
Speaker 3: the making of the movie and that it was partly propaganda.
Speaker 3: And what's funny about that movie is that Al Pacino
Speaker 3: is the CIA handler to Colin Ferrell when he's recruited
Speaker 3: into the CIA, and al Pacino's corrupt, so his handler
Speaker 3: is evil and he ends up getting exposed those like
Speaker 3: this criminal. But even before that, right, if you watch
Speaker 3: movie the movie Three Days of the Condor. In that movie,
Speaker 3: Robert Redford, his handler is corrupt in the CIA as well,
Speaker 3: So it's like there were these little inklings that the
Speaker 3: CIA was a corrupt organization in the movies that the
Speaker 3: CIA even had a role in making, and what they
Speaker 3: admitted in the two thousand and three Recruit movie if
Speaker 3: you watch the DVD extras, I remember watching that when
Speaker 3: I watched because I bought the DVD and I was
Speaker 3: watching that long time ago, and they had the interview
Speaker 3: the CIA consultant from the CIA to Hollywood on that movie,
Speaker 3: and they're like, yeah, this is one of the first
Speaker 3: openly made CIA movies. Now, the CI had been secretly
Speaker 3: working with Hollywood for many years, all the way back
Speaker 3: to the Cold War, all the way back to the
Speaker 3: OSS to get people involved in World War Two. But
Speaker 3: now it was open, and so Chase Brand and Milt
Speaker 3: Beard and they came out.
Speaker 2: And then people figured.
Speaker 3: Out, oh wait a minute, that movie Wagged the Dog,
Speaker 3: like the Robert de Niro characters actually based on Chase
Speaker 3: Brand and mil Beard.
Speaker 2: And have you ever seen Waged the Dog.
Speaker 1: That's the one where they're just filming fake war footage,
Speaker 1: is like twenty that.
Speaker 3: They are, but the movie is about Robert de Niro
Speaker 3: comes as the CIA guy. I got to watch that
Speaker 3: again telling the Hollywood people how to make the movie.
Speaker 3: And then when Dustin Hoffman, who's the director. He's like
Speaker 3: the like a movie director type of dude. When he
Speaker 3: ends up not making the movie they want, they just
Speaker 3: assassinate him. It's a crazy movie, but it's very revelatory.
Speaker 3: In fact, I put that one in the first book.
Speaker 3: So long story short, yeah, I think this is like
Speaker 3: that's a great window into how there's the there's an
Speaker 3: elite structure of people at the Pentagon and in Hollywood,
Speaker 3: and they absolutely work together and they have for a
Speaker 3: long time, all the way back to World War two. Man.
Speaker 2: For this third book that I wrote on Hollywood.
Speaker 3: I went back and got into like archives that they
Speaker 3: do classified and like tons of those old era like
Speaker 3: noir forties people they were making propaganda and they were
Speaker 3: using the Hollywood people as spies. Even back then, a
Speaker 3: bunch of those people were working for the OSS and
Speaker 3: the CIA.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, uh, Team America.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there it is, except Team America is way more
Speaker 3: accurate as satire than you think, right, And it's not
Speaker 3: just like the Matt Damon Ben athlete.
Speaker 2: Everybody.
Speaker 3: Everybody knows like Matt Damon and Ben Afflet were with
Speaker 3: the CIA because they bragged about it and they talked
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but uh, like Argo probably right, who George Clooney,
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's an obvious one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think the obvious ones are pretty transparent.
Speaker 2: Like And when I was interviewing.
Speaker 3: Karaoke, he was talking about how the CIA consults Hollywood
Speaker 3: and what movies and TV shows, and he said, you know,
Speaker 3: you could look at the Americans the CIA consulted movie
Speaker 3: urse TV show.
Speaker 2: It's a great show.
Speaker 3: By the way, Homeland with Claire Danes, twenty four, you know,
Speaker 3: Key for Sutherland, that show.
Speaker 2: Uh, those are all like propaganda for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean one of the most propaganda movies of all
Speaker 1: times was one of my favorite movies is Rocky four.
Speaker 1: I mean that was like in your face during the
Speaker 1: Russian oh.
Speaker 3: That Ivonne or whatever.
Speaker 4: I remember that it was Draco's Rocco.
Speaker 1: I think, so, yeah, that was it was all US
Speaker 1: versus Russia. You know Drago is it's Drago.
Speaker 4: He's uh, you know it was Dolph Lounger when the
Speaker 4: Dolph Longer. Yes, yeah, on steroids. He's training like in
Speaker 4: a science lab and he's a super soldier. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: And Rocky's training in the snow. He's doing pull ups.
Speaker 1: In a cabin and then like the whole fight sequence.
Speaker 3: That's America, dude. That's why America. When America goes to
Speaker 3: the Moon, they play golf. Dude.
Speaker 2: That's how bad I so America is, right right.
Speaker 1: I think of what do you think of Artemis that
Speaker 1: thing a month ago?
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't pay attention toy of that ship. I
Speaker 3: just I just assume it's all faking gay.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah yeah. And then and then like Rambo
Speaker 1: against Slone, he got all into you know, he went
Speaker 1: to it. Didn't it turn into like a Middle Eastern.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the second I think it's Rambo two. It actually
Speaker 3: used to say, I think they took this out of
Speaker 3: the movie. By the way, at the beginning of the film,
Speaker 3: you can still find this on YouTube, and like old
Speaker 3: versions of it, they dedicate the movie to the brave
Speaker 3: al Qaeda fighters, the Mujahadeen.
Speaker 1: Do you know that?
Speaker 3: No, Yes, the movie is dedicated to the Mujahideen, which
Speaker 3: is al Qaeda, because that took plate huh.
Speaker 1: So that's when at that time Ida was a good guy.
Speaker 2: They were, they were.
Speaker 3: That was when they formed al Qaeda under Brazenski, Carter
Speaker 3: and Gates to be the CIA's prox force in Afghanistan
Speaker 3: fighting the Soviets, and that's when they invited the mujaidin
Speaker 3: to the White House. You can go look up those
Speaker 3: pictures where Ronald Reagan is sitting in the White House
Speaker 3: with al Qaeda. Basically that's the early days of al
Speaker 3: Qaeda when and the top trainer was Bin Laden. He
Speaker 3: was the top guy that trained all those Mujahidin guys.
Speaker 3: As late as nineteen ninety three, I think yeah, because
Speaker 3: I just did a whole podcast on this from Max
Speaker 3: Blumenthal's book Management of Savagery. But as late as nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety three, the Western media was still running positive articles
Speaker 3: about Ben Lauden. You can look up the Ben Laden article.
Speaker 3: I think it's either the London Telegraph or the London Independent.
Speaker 3: They have this giant assessment of how awesome and how
Speaker 3: heroic Ben Lauden was. And then right after that, maybe
Speaker 3: it might have been nineteen ninety one, nineteen ninety one, ninety.
Speaker 2: Three somewhere there.
Speaker 3: Right after that you have the USS coal bombing and
Speaker 3: Ben Lauden takes credit for that.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. You know, my favorite TV show growing up
Speaker 1: was The Twilight Zone, and it was every show did
Speaker 1: have a happy ending. Sometimes they were good ending, sometimes
Speaker 1: they were happy ending, but a lot of times it
Speaker 1: ended up in a dark way. And I love the
Speaker 1: unpredictability of it all. Rod Serling was just a mastermind
Speaker 1: and putting me. I mean this is I don't really
Speaker 1: like old shit that much. But the Twilight Zone, Man,
Speaker 1: some of those episodes still stand the test of time.
Speaker 1: What do you think, What do you think the angle
Speaker 1: was in terms of the perspective of a deep state,
Speaker 1: illuminati and mind control.
Speaker 3: With Twilight Zone, I can tell you. I can tell
Speaker 3: you for sure. By the way, real quick, I just remembered,
Speaker 3: do you remember the James Bond movies in the nineteen
Speaker 3: eighties when it was Timothy Dalton who was James Bond?
Speaker 3: Do you remember that?
Speaker 1: I didn't even want like I was. I couldn't fuck
Speaker 1: with James won, only because it's like the Twilight Zone is.
Speaker 1: I didn't fuck with comic book heroes. I don't give
Speaker 1: a shit about Superman Batman because they always won. I
Speaker 1: didn't like the fact that you knew that no matter
Speaker 1: what battle they were in, they were gonna win, and
Speaker 1: the good guy always won. That's why I like the
Speaker 1: Twilet Zone because you never knew what the fuck was
Speaker 1: gonna happen.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, yeah, But I'm saying you should watch
Speaker 3: the nineteen eighty seven Bond movie Living Daylights, because that
Speaker 3: whole movie, just like Rambo two or Rambo two, has
Speaker 3: Bond aligning himself with al Qaeda, and the dude that
Speaker 3: he makes an alliance with is almost copy paste, is
Speaker 3: just like Bin Laden. Yeah yeah, it's eerily just like
Speaker 3: and on record. And I might be I might I
Speaker 3: might be mixing out. I'm pretty sure that the dedication,
Speaker 3: the dedication to the freedom Fighters of Al Qaedromjadin, it's
Speaker 3: either Living Daylights or Rambo two.
Speaker 2: I think it's Rainbow two.
Speaker 3: But Living Daylights is another one where you can see
Speaker 3: the propaganda. It's like, oh, Ben Luden's, you know, a hero,
Speaker 3: he's a good guy. On the.
Speaker 2: The topic of.
Speaker 3: Twilight Zone, I remember some years ago when I was
Speaker 3: writing the first book, and I think I just mentioned
Speaker 3: this in passing. I remember watching the episodes and I
Speaker 3: was paying a lot of attention to the details, especially
Speaker 3: in season one.
Speaker 2: It's while I zoned within.
Speaker 3: So the first episode is that soldier who wakes up
Speaker 3: in a float tank and he's part of MK Ultra obviously,
Speaker 3: because he's being he's undergoing mind control experimentation, and it's
Speaker 3: one of the most famous twilights an episode just.
Speaker 2: Where the guy wakes up the guy just wait.
Speaker 3: It starts with him in a telephone booth and he's
Speaker 3: trying to go back to his hometown after he's been
Speaker 3: deployed somewhere else in the military. And when he gets
Speaker 3: back to his hometown there's nobody there, and so the
Speaker 3: whole film is him trying to like wander through an
Speaker 3: empty hometown and figure out what's going on spoiler alert.
Speaker 3: And he wakes up inside a military installation, in an
Speaker 3: underground base and a float tank and so he's been
Speaker 3: experimented on. So that's mk Ultra right when m Kultra
Speaker 3: was happening. So they're actually writing these kinds of plots
Speaker 3: even in the nineteen fifties and sixties about that kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. And then a few episodes later there's an
Speaker 3: there's a one where a pilot, I think the Air
Speaker 3: Force pilot, he disappears and then he like reappears and
Speaker 3: he doesn't know what's happened.
Speaker 1: Yes, I seen that one, and then he reappears and
Speaker 1: it's like twenty years later, yeah, and he's got this
Speaker 1: at the air Force airport and they find him in
Speaker 1: there and he's in his like old ass plane and
Speaker 1: it was like from World War One, and he's trying
Speaker 1: to convince everybody he was from the past when no
Speaker 1: one believed him. And then he uh, he talks about
Speaker 1: how he was flying before he disappeared. He was flying
Speaker 1: with his you know, yep teammate or whatever you would
Speaker 1: call his soldier mate, and he was scared because the
Speaker 1: guy his teammate was was a beast and he was
Speaker 1: like firing at all these Nazis and then he bailed.
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm out of here. So he takes off
Speaker 1: and he goes to these clouds and he now he's
Speaker 1: twenty years later, and he feels like deep down inside
Speaker 1: that man he pussied out, and then it turns out
Speaker 1: that he wasn't crazy, and he decided to get back
Speaker 1: on his plane and try to go back and then
Speaker 1: he ended up uh no, no, before before he did that,
Speaker 1: they have him. He's it's twenty years in the future
Speaker 1: and they're talking about this this uh, this famous war
Speaker 1: veteran who's coming to that airport. Where he was at
Speaker 1: and they mentioned his name. He goes, that's the guy
Speaker 1: that was flying with He's still alive. He goes, yes,
Speaker 1: he's like some famous colonel. Now and now you know,
Speaker 1: it's twenty years later, he's like, oh shit, he's coming.
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, he's coming here, and now he's like,
Speaker 1: oh damn. So they still thought he was crazy, but
Speaker 1: it was weird that he knew the guy, like he
Speaker 1: knows the guy. But but then it turns out he
Speaker 1: didn't want to face him because he thought like, oh my,
Speaker 1: oh my god, he's gonna fucking think I'm a big
Speaker 1: pussy and he's probably gonna throw me in jail or whatever.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be so mad at me. So he decides, fuck,
Speaker 1: go get back on his plane. He fights his way
Speaker 1: back on the plane. He goes up in them, and
Speaker 1: then when that guy shows up, they asked him, did
Speaker 1: you know this one dude, this one crazy dude, saying
Speaker 1: he knows you from He says, you got your flank goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: the guy saved my life. I was dead. The Nazis
Speaker 1: had me surrounded and I don't know where he comes
Speaker 1: in and saves my life. So he did go back
Speaker 1: and he saved his life. So yeah, I remember which
Speaker 1: one of you talking about it? I love. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, so it's either that one and I'm going for
Speaker 3: memory because I'm gonna watch these in several years. But
Speaker 3: it's either that episode or the one where it's in
Speaker 3: season one where the there's like an invasion of the
Speaker 3: body snatchers in a small town or whatever before the
Speaker 3: it's either the beginning or at the end of the episode.
Speaker 3: In the credits, it says consulted on by the Department
Speaker 3: of Defense. So the Department of Defense was consulting on
Speaker 3: and helping to craft some of those stories for.
Speaker 2: For Twilight Zone. That was good people like me.
Speaker 1: I thought, when you hear something like that, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: they're doing They're going out of their way to make
Speaker 1: it authentic. We weren't thinking about, like, oh, they're making
Speaker 1: sure it's propaganda guys. I was always thinking, oh, that's great, Yeah,
Speaker 1: bring in the CIA to make it more realistic. We
Speaker 1: want to realistic, you know. So I wasn't ever thinking
Speaker 1: about the propagandall.
Speaker 2: That's partly true, but it's more than that as well.
Speaker 3: It's also there's also propaganda, right, so like and that's
Speaker 3: now admitted right, like, I think you're right. If you
Speaker 3: go back to the nineteen sixties seventies, at that time,
Speaker 3: people would have thought, yeah, we're just trying to make
Speaker 3: it more authentic, and that's partly true. However, as we
Speaker 3: know post nine to eleven, there was also a lot
Speaker 3: of revising of the scripts, a lot of propaganda.
Speaker 2: For example, go back to World War two.
Speaker 3: And I put this in my new book in the
Speaker 3: last chapter, or one of the last chapters of the
Speaker 3: third volume as sar Hollywood, the one I just wrote
Speaker 3: this last year. The last chapter is about World War
Speaker 3: two era when they were they had there was a
Speaker 3: British intelligence set up a ring of screenwriters, and there
Speaker 3: was a woman I always forget her name, but she
Speaker 3: wrote several movies in the nineteen forties and the only
Speaker 3: point of those movies was to ensure that the American
Speaker 3: population was supporting World War two. So it was British
Speaker 3: intelligence putting people in Hollywood at that time to write
Speaker 3: screenplays to convince Americans to support the war effort in
Speaker 3: World War two. Now, whatever you think about that, the
Speaker 3: point is that that was going on all the way
Speaker 3: back then. They didn't just think they just quit oh,
Speaker 3: we're only going to do it for World War Two.
Speaker 3: Now they were doing all throughout the Cold War. There's
Speaker 3: so many movies, you know, throughout the fifties, sixties, seventies,
Speaker 3: and eighties, all the way up to Freaking.
Speaker 2: River Phoenix.
Speaker 3: He was in Rooskies or like, he was in a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of these little Nikiita I remember watching that
Speaker 3: when when I was a kid, All these you know,
Speaker 3: River Phoenix movies. Before he was killed, probably he was
Speaker 3: in a bunch of these propaganda you know, Russian movies
Speaker 3: that were coming out in the nineteen eighties. Remember Charlie,
Speaker 3: was he speaking out?
Speaker 1: You think he got killed because he was speaking out.
Speaker 1: He was like turning against Hollywood.
Speaker 3: Well, my suspicion is that it would relate to being
Speaker 3: raised in the Children of God cult, which had a
Speaker 3: famous PDF scandal. So the Children of God cult, by
Speaker 3: the way, Rose mcgawan was raised in that the River Phoenix, Leaf.
Speaker 1: Phoenix, Joaquin Phoenix.
Speaker 3: Joaquin used to be called called Leaf if you go
Speaker 3: to old old movies in the nineteen eighties, He's called
Speaker 3: Leaf Phoenix, and then for whatever reason he changed the
Speaker 3: name to Joaquin.
Speaker 2: He was They were raised in that cult.
Speaker 3: I don't know about them specifically being messed with, but
Speaker 3: the leader of that cult, Moses Burg, was famously a
Speaker 3: massive PDF and so that cult seemed to be pretty
Speaker 3: well connected. And my suspicion is that whatever led to
Speaker 3: the demise of River Phoenix probably related to that.
Speaker 1: Now, there was a new Twilight Zone that came out,
Speaker 1: like in the mid eighties or something.
Speaker 4: I started watching a couple of those. Color was really good,
Speaker 4: and that was one about It started with this lady.
Speaker 1: She's on trial and she's like crying, she's like begging
Speaker 1: for mercy, and then the judge and the jury like
Speaker 1: you're fucking gone. I think a trial for murder because
Speaker 1: you're going to jail forever. And then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: she goes, yeah, I'll be back. I'll get her ofvenge.
Speaker 1: She's like, damn, she went from being a woman, a
Speaker 1: sad woman begging for mercy, and then he saw a
Speaker 1: little evil side to her. And then they handcoff her
Speaker 1: and then they take her to prison. And when she's
Speaker 1: on this bus going to the prison, it's like out
Speaker 1: in the boonies. She sees she's she's all handcuffed and
Speaker 1: everything all all in chains, and she sees this black man,
Speaker 1: old black man. He's the grave digger for people that
Speaker 1: die in prison. He's the one that goes out and
Speaker 1: buries them. So she looks at him. They show a
Speaker 1: little scene she's looking at him. She goes into the prison.
Speaker 1: She works her way up cleaning and getting jobs in
Speaker 1: the prison, and then she finally works her way to
Speaker 1: working with the grave digger black guy, and he's like
Speaker 1: going blind and he's waiting for this approval for his
Speaker 1: eye surgery, and she befriends him, and then he trusts her,
Speaker 1: and she's just trying to manipulate him. She got this
Speaker 1: grand plan of escape and she's gonna use him. So he's, uh,
Speaker 1: he gets this letter and it's it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: gonna He's either he's either gonna find out that his
Speaker 1: eye surgery got approved or rejected. So she and he
Speaker 1: can't find it. She hides his glasses so he can't.
Speaker 1: He's looking for his glass. He goes, no, I'll just
Speaker 1: read it for you here and give it to me.
Speaker 1: I'll just read it for and she reads it to
Speaker 1: him and they approved his eye surgery, but she said
Speaker 1: they didn't, and he's fucking sad. You know. He starts crying,
Speaker 1: and she said, listen, I'll I'll fix your eyes. I
Speaker 1: got a lot of money. I got a ton of money.
Speaker 1: I'm wealthy. He goes really, goes, yeah, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna pay for surgery. He just got to help. He
Speaker 1: goes how and goes, you got how many get out
Speaker 1: of here. And he goes like, how the fuck are
Speaker 1: you gonna do that? So she says, the next time
Speaker 1: somebody dies, give me the keys to get into the
Speaker 1: coffin room or whatever. So he gives her the keys.
Speaker 1: She goes, the next time someone dies, they they ring
Speaker 1: a bell. Like for whom the bell tolls, they ring
Speaker 1: a bell. And she made the plan was the next
Speaker 1: time she hears that bell, whether it's in five days
Speaker 1: or two months, that's her cue to go into the
Speaker 1: casket room, get in the casket with the dead person.
Speaker 1: He's going to go out the next morning and bury them,
Speaker 1: and then come out and unbury her and then set
Speaker 1: her free. That was the plan. So, man, I don't
Speaker 1: know how much time goes by, but the bell goes off.
Speaker 1: She it's, you know, the dead of night. She goes
Speaker 1: to the press she's got the keys, and she sneaks
Speaker 1: her way into the where the room where they keep
Speaker 1: the coffin that they're about to bury. So she sneaks
Speaker 1: into the in the coffin, she lays next to the
Speaker 1: dead person. They can take her and bury her. So
Speaker 1: now she's buried out on the in front of the
Speaker 1: or on the side of the prison. I'm away from
Speaker 1: the prison. So she's just waiting there for him to
Speaker 1: come back later and dig her up and let her
Speaker 1: set her free. And she's waiting and she's waiting, and
Speaker 1: she's talking to herself. She's waiting and praying, and he's
Speaker 1: taken forever and it's taking so goddamn long. So she
Speaker 1: starts going crazy. She could barely breathe. She's like, fuck her,
Speaker 1: where the fuck are you, motherfucker? Where the fuck are you?
Speaker 1: So then she lights a match and she wants to
Speaker 1: see the dead person next to her. Uh, and guess
Speaker 1: who it is? The grave digger. She goes ah, and
Speaker 1: then the credits start rolling and it's over. So I'll
Speaker 1: never forget that one. That's one episode that just stuck
Speaker 1: with me. I saw that when I was like fifteen.
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I'll never forget that episode.
Speaker 3: And I remember watching when I was a kid in
Speaker 3: the eighties, I watched the episode of G I Joe
Speaker 3: that even freaking me out. It was an episode where
Speaker 3: they're creating like synthoid replacements of all the people in
Speaker 3: the Pentagon and the generals.
Speaker 2: That episode freaked me out as.
Speaker 3: A kid, And then when I got older, I went
Speaker 3: and researched like the history of G Joe. The huh
Speaker 3: is it basically about cloning kind of except they're like
Speaker 3: they're like robotic, like nanotech replacements that are mind control, right.
Speaker 2: I remember that episode scared me a lot when I
Speaker 2: was a kid.
Speaker 3: I don't know why, but maybe I had a premonition
Speaker 3: that they might actually be doing that one day. But
Speaker 3: I remember a few years ago researching this. I forget
Speaker 3: the guy's name, Friedman or something like that, but he
Speaker 3: was another Pentagon military expert who was a huge consultant
Speaker 3: on Transformers and GI Joe. And if you go back,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's kind of silly to I don't really
Speaker 3: want to watch a bunch of cartoons now that I'm
Speaker 3: an adult, But I did go back and watch the
Speaker 3: first season of GI Joe and Dude there's episodes about
Speaker 3: mk Ultra, there's episodes about Harp, there's episodes about nanotech,
Speaker 3: the episodes about all this shit that like the Federal Reserve.
Speaker 3: There's a whole episode where Cobra says the Federal Reserve
Speaker 3: is making fake money. So they have the villain as
Speaker 3: the one saying what's true. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 1: Yes, So in situations like that where they're telling you,
Speaker 1: you know, like they're telling you what they're doing and
Speaker 1: what's going on, mk Ultra, Keim Trail's all that shit.
Speaker 1: I think maybe the plan is if we put it
Speaker 1: in movies, they won't believe it's real. They'll say, dude,
Speaker 1: you watch too many movies. So when they put shit
Speaker 1: in movies, it's not maybe it's too you know, get
Speaker 1: them used to it or something, but it's also to
Speaker 1: make it like so you don't believe it.
Speaker 3: I think that's what you're right. We missed the kind
Speaker 3: of the obvious thing, which I should have said earlier,
Speaker 3: Like the reason that this exists in movies. Number Layer
Speaker 3: one is so that most people say, oh, dude, you
Speaker 3: saw that in the fucking movie.
Speaker 2: Dude, you're an idiot.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Layer two is the catatonic trauma stuff. Layer three is
Speaker 3: the occult stuff. So yeah, I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 3: There's layers to this shit.
Speaker 1: The crazy thing though, is when I used to believe
Speaker 1: in UFOs, it used to be that, like you know,
Speaker 1: twenty five thirty years ago, uh, to be a conspiracy
Speaker 1: theorist meant you were all into UFOs and the government
Speaker 1: is is covering up UFOs and hiding UFOs from.
Speaker 2: It the government. Once you believe in you no, totally, totally.
Speaker 1: It took me a while to figure that shit out.
Speaker 1: But in the beginning, I think that's the first phase.
Speaker 1: The first phase, like, oh my god, the gut it's
Speaker 1: hiding UFOs from it. But that's what they want us
Speaker 1: to believe. So when they were but then then I
Speaker 1: would then that's when I would think, like, man, but
Speaker 1: why is there so many god damn alien and space movies?
Speaker 1: So then I thought, oh, so that they put it
Speaker 1: in movie because I was still believing it, and I go,
Speaker 1: I would say, they're putting it in movies to make
Speaker 1: it look ridiculous. That's what I thought. But it's the opposite.
Speaker 1: They want you to believe in UFOs. Anything with space.
Speaker 1: They green light anything with Fulk in space, Go Go Go.
Speaker 1: They don't ever hold it could be the dumbest movie
Speaker 1: of Battlestar Galactica, the dumb shit. They don't give a fuck.
Speaker 1: They just a flash Gordon. If it's if there's Mars attacks,
Speaker 1: if there's space in it, as long as they show
Speaker 1: like you're in space and there's a planet in the background,
Speaker 1: they just go with it. They're like, yeah, I didn't
Speaker 1: give a fuck what it's about.
Speaker 2: Absolutely. In fact, I put in my first book.
Speaker 3: There's a book written by a guy who's a professor
Speaker 3: who was one of these high level social engineers, had
Speaker 3: Lee Cantrell, and he was involved in studying the UFO
Speaker 3: phenomenon for its social engineering effects. And he was one
Speaker 3: of the guys from the Princeton Research Project who was
Speaker 3: involved in the Orson Wells radio broadcast, which scared everybody
Speaker 3: when he broadcasts wore the worlds as a radio story.
Speaker 3: They thought it was real, they thought aliens were really invading.
Speaker 3: And so people like heavily control studied this to understand
Speaker 3: psychological warfare on the masses. And he wrote a book
Speaker 3: called Invaders from Mars, and it's about using the UFO
Speaker 3: narrative to steer people at a cultural level into new
Speaker 3: narratives that would replace the idea of creation, replace the
Speaker 3: idea of the Bible. And my second book, I put
Speaker 3: a thing from Brookings Institute, which is one of the
Speaker 3: top think tanks. The NASA commission Brookings Institute in nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty eight to do a study on what would happen
Speaker 3: to people who believe the Biblical paradigm of creation if
Speaker 3: the Establishment announced alien life. And the assessment from the
Speaker 3: social engineers in this white paper was that it would
Speaker 3: shake everybody's belief in creation and they would start to
Speaker 3: believe a new controlled alien narrative that would fit with
Speaker 3: AONs of evolution and the Big Bang and transhumanism. So
Speaker 3: they literally say that it was intended to uproot Christian
Speaker 3: ideas and replace it with this new age alien bullshit.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. I mean from the dawn of time, every emperor,
Speaker 1: every king, they all had the same dream, a one
Speaker 1: world empire, one world government. It's always been that way.
Speaker 1: Every king and every emperor. They wanted to rule everything.
Speaker 1: They just it. They wanted to, but they couldn't. And
Speaker 1: they all knew the one way because nobody wants, no
Speaker 1: small countries want one world government. I go with a
Speaker 1: small country like one world government, that's going to put
Speaker 1: me out of a job. Yeah, Like, the only way
Speaker 1: for a one world government to work. Nobody likes one
Speaker 1: world government. Who fucking wants that shit? One one king
Speaker 1: and whatever he says goes. Most people ain't gonna buy that.
Speaker 1: The only way to make it happen is to get
Speaker 1: everyone to embrace it. They have to want it, they
Speaker 1: have to beg for it, And the only way you
Speaker 1: beg for it is with a fake alien invasion. That's
Speaker 1: the only way of a Alliens came down. Everyone's going
Speaker 1: to embrace the new world order, so they always wanted it.
Speaker 1: You can't have a fake alien invasion without space to
Speaker 1: in my opinion, that's why they keep pushing all these
Speaker 1: movies and NASA and Aliens and you will thinks that,
Speaker 1: because how are you gonna eventually try to pull off
Speaker 1: the fake alien invasion if people don't even believe in
Speaker 1: the space that you're telling them, you know? So, I
Speaker 1: think that's what it's all about, just prepping us for
Speaker 1: the that's that's their last their last gasp is going
Speaker 1: to be a fake alien invasion.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think they may have the technology now to fool
Speaker 1: enough people, they might like with hologram technology, all you
Speaker 1: need is like can you put I mean the holograms
Speaker 1: they got. Now you got a football game of the
Speaker 1: rape Baltimore Ravens. They got the fucking crow flying around shit,
Speaker 1: and it looks real. So can they. But I don't
Speaker 1: think they're confident enough in it, because if they were,
Speaker 1: they would have already done it. They would have done it.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're like, na dude, because once they
Speaker 1: do it, they can't do it again. It's just like
Speaker 1: COVID can't do COVID again. You did it once, it
Speaker 1: ain't never going to happen again. No off with that
Speaker 1: shit again. You did it once. That's it. That was
Speaker 1: your only COVID. There ain't going to be no more COVID.
Speaker 3: So I think they I think you're right, Like, if
Speaker 3: they're going to roll out something that big it's got,
Speaker 3: they want to make sure that they've assessed the populations.
Speaker 2: Belief in in that right.
Speaker 3: So, like I think a lot of this fake disclosure
Speaker 3: stuff that's coming out where the Pentagon saying oh yeah,
Speaker 3: we by the way, there are aliens and all this
Speaker 3: and that when they put that shit out there seeing, Okay,
Speaker 3: what's the reaction? Are people buying it? We have a
Speaker 3: crisis of like, people don't actually believe establishment anymore because
Speaker 3: they lie so much, So how are we going to
Speaker 3: get everybody to believe this? So I think they've lied
Speaker 3: too much. So there's a crisis of confidence in the establishment.
Speaker 3: So it's difficult to convince people of this stuff when
Speaker 3: the official outlets are just known as constant liars. So
Speaker 3: I think, look like, you know, the last two years,
Speaker 3: with all these hearings and so called whistleblowers, like, it
Speaker 3: doesn't look like people are that they're not wowed by it, right,
Speaker 3: It's like it's not having a huge effect. So I
Speaker 3: don't even know if there's enough support of the idea
Speaker 3: of belief in aliens, in UFOs or even interest to
Speaker 3: do that kind of a big sy oup.
Speaker 1: They're going to have to do something like hologram of
Speaker 1: some big ass alien ship and then at the blow
Speaker 1: of the White House with.
Speaker 2: It like a laser, you would have to be like massive, yeah,
Speaker 2: And then at that.
Speaker 1: Point, you know you're going to be if you don't
Speaker 1: believe in it, you could be arrested that you're anti American.
Speaker 2: Or something you're or like like. So remember in a
Speaker 2: I noticed I read through cyber Polygon.
Speaker 3: Remember Claus talked about that one day we'll have cyber Polygon,
Speaker 3: which will be ten times worse than COVID. He said
Speaker 3: it was the Internet, you know, apocalypse. And if you
Speaker 3: read that, yeah, this was one during COVID. He said,
Speaker 3: you think COVID is bad, wait until we have cyber Polygon,
Speaker 3: which is the collapse of the Internet. And uh, you
Speaker 3: can watch all the slides of the presentation. I went
Speaker 3: and watched it and did a bunch of podcasts on.
Speaker 1: It and explain that the internet sounds.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So they basically ran a bunch of exercises and
Speaker 3: they war gamed what happens when terrorists take down the Internet.
Speaker 3: That's cyber polygon. And they ran this exercises with like
Speaker 3: IBM and the Pentagon and the War Economic Forum and
Speaker 3: all this, all these entities, and the most enlightening aspect
Speaker 3: of the exercises what's towards the end of it where
Speaker 3: they discuss that anybody who questions the narrative, they call
Speaker 3: them info terrorists.
Speaker 2: Information terrorists.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's what they want to be info denier.
Speaker 2: But not just denier terrorists.
Speaker 3: So they want to take they want to take terrorism
Speaker 3: from the cold, from the war on terror, and now
Speaker 3: it's info terror. If you say things against the narrative,
Speaker 3: it's because you're supporting online terror.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's smart. I like that. I was in
Speaker 1: a luminati. I've been like, yeah, I give me a
Speaker 1: game that work. Yeah yeah, lidlene dude, hell yeah, fucking
Speaker 1: info terrorist.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, it's a fuck.
Speaker 1: Now. Now, in regards the Eyes Wide shut, do you
Speaker 1: think Kubrick was trying to bust the elite out or
Speaker 1: what angle do you think was? What was the purpose
Speaker 1: of that? Like, and then he got killed right because
Speaker 1: they took twenty minutes out of his cut. They said,
Speaker 1: you can't show these twenty minutes, it's too deep. And
Speaker 1: then he died. Like take me through what you know
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 3: So I don't have any set theory on this because
Speaker 3: I don't know, and I don't I mean, I haven't
Speaker 3: seen what was caught. I don't know if anybody has.
Speaker 3: Roger Avery was just on with Joe Rogan, you know,
Speaker 3: a few months ago, and he theorized that it is
Speaker 3: relevant and it could have led to the demise of Kubrick. Early.
Speaker 3: I asked Vivian about this, and she said she's not
Speaker 3: aware of any plot or anything like that, but she's
Speaker 3: very reticent to kind of talk about her dad's work.
Speaker 2: She's probably sick of talking about her dad's work.
Speaker 3: But I don't know, but I do think that just
Speaker 3: the film itself, what we have itself is like extremely
Speaker 3: extremely revelatory. I mean, and it's been picked apart. We've
Speaker 3: been picking it apart for over ten years. Like there's
Speaker 3: so many details and clues that now it's not hard
Speaker 3: to figure out right post Epstein, like.
Speaker 2: We all know what's going on.
Speaker 3: And I just did an interview with Dasha Nekrasova. She
Speaker 3: was in that popular TV show that she just just
Speaker 3: got canceled from. And she made her own movie called
Speaker 3: Scary of sixty First, which was loosely based on Epstein
Speaker 3: stuff and isswad Shut. And her movie came out I
Speaker 3: think four or five years ago, but it was before
Speaker 3: all the last Epstein email stuff came out, and basically
Speaker 3: everything in her movie theorized basically that Epstein was kind
Speaker 3: of running this sort of you know, black male, high
Speaker 3: level black mal operation that was also like eyeswet Shut
Speaker 3: and so we kind of theorized that that's like the
Speaker 3: real understanding of iswad shut like Kubrick was telling us
Speaker 3: basically Epstein's style stuff in nineteen ninety eight. And I
Speaker 3: don't I wouldn't have a problem believing that that made him,
Speaker 3: you know, not the best friend of.
Speaker 2: A lot of people in the establishment.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't know for sure what happened to him.
Speaker 3: But I mean, if you're making movies like that Revelatory,
Speaker 3: that's pretty By the way, it's not just iweadch shut.
Speaker 3: Like a bunch of his films have this theme of
Speaker 3: exposing elite PDF stuff.
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise is in it and called Kidnan, right, And
Speaker 1: I mean they're in it, so they're scientologists l Ron Hubbard.
Speaker 1: It seems like like, well, expose what's going on in
Speaker 1: tRNA well, according.
Speaker 2: To Vivian, to get people to accept it.
Speaker 3: So I don't think.
Speaker 2: Stanley was not a scientologist.
Speaker 3: So she says that she believes that he had premonitions
Speaker 3: about stuff, and then he had a little bit of
Speaker 3: psychic abilities, but he wasn't involved in any cult or
Speaker 3: occult stuff, according to her. So and she says, also
Speaker 3: people have a misconception that he was a leftist because
Speaker 3: they think everybody in Hollywood's left us. But actually he
Speaker 3: was more on the GOP conservative side of stuff.
Speaker 2: So she argues that, like, he was not promoting establishment
Speaker 2: narratives willingly.
Speaker 3: You know, there was times where obviously he would have
Speaker 3: to work with this or that group to get something filmed,
Speaker 3: like you two thousand and one, when they came to
Speaker 3: him when he was a young filmmaker, he was like, yeah, of.
Speaker 2: Course, I'll work with NASA or whoever.
Speaker 3: But she argues that he was a sincere opponent of corruption,
Speaker 3: which I think is applausible thesis. So I don't think
Speaker 3: Eyswhite Shut was made as an establishment movie. I think
Speaker 3: he really was, you know, criticizing the establishment. And again
Speaker 3: it's super revelatory like sex cults, Epstein's saw Stuff, black Man.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's all their assassinations by essentially what we
Speaker 3: called the Illuminati, right. I mean, I don't know of
Speaker 3: any other if that was my number one like movie
Speaker 3: exposing everything, hands down, I can't think of a better one.
Speaker 3: I mean there's plenty of good ones, you know, the
Speaker 3: exposed stuff like Network or they live conspiracy theory with
Speaker 3: Mel Gibson, But I think the most revelatories as watch
Speaker 3: should what do you think is the most conspiracy accurate movie?
Speaker 3: H If you had to pick.
Speaker 1: One, Independence Day? Really, Yeah, that's the that's the New
Speaker 1: World Order right there. And you know that's like Lord
Speaker 1: of the Rings.
Speaker 3: You mean, because of the aliens leading to everyone.
Speaker 1: Gets together, all the nations were that's the ultimate goal. Yes,
Speaker 1: Flight Shut definitely exposes the elite and all that ship
Speaker 1: they're doing, but as a like the giant picture of
Speaker 1: where we're at in space and New World Order and
Speaker 1: all that shit. Same thing with Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing like we're with Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1: They had there was this evil fucking force with all
Speaker 1: these goblins and demons that are getting over castle. So
Speaker 1: they would go from castle to castle and ask them,
Speaker 1: you go, you gott to join. They're gonna fuck everybody up,
Speaker 1: you gotta join. And the ones that didn't join forces,
Speaker 1: what happened to them? They got ran over by the
Speaker 1: goblins and all the demons and shit. So the castles,
Speaker 1: which were basically like towns and villages, the ones that
Speaker 1: weren't down, they got taken over. So it's right, you
Speaker 1: better be down. When the evil you know, when the
Speaker 1: aliens come, we better all work together.
Speaker 3: I know that's right because I've been doing a Tolkien
Speaker 3: deep dive. And Tolien knew about the New World Order.
Speaker 2: In fact, he and C. S.
Speaker 3: Lewis, who were pretty close friends most of the time,
Speaker 3: both of their trilogies, not talking about Narnia, but C. S.
Speaker 2: Lewis wrote a space trilogy.
Speaker 3: Have you heard of that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, so get this. C. S. Lewis's third volume of
Speaker 2: the Space Trilogy. It's about.
Speaker 3: The Aliens are actually demons and they're setting up a
Speaker 3: world government to depopulate everybody. Isn't that crazy? So the
Speaker 3: whole book is about the New World Order and depopulation
Speaker 3: through a fake alien story. And Tolkien and Lewis were friends,
Speaker 3: so they knew about this. And when Tolkien wrote Lord
Speaker 3: of the Rings, I think he is absolutely warning about
Speaker 3: the New World Order.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just it's so obvious. It's it's so And
Speaker 1: then in Lord of the Rings, the New World Order,
Speaker 1: the guy they're like the good guys, you know, they're
Speaker 1: the good Yeah, and and uh.
Speaker 3: No, they're not the good What do you mean they're
Speaker 3: not the good guys? The the saluron is who wants
Speaker 3: uh a one world order, but they.
Speaker 1: Lose like the ones who win. The forces that got together,
Speaker 1: don't they win eventually? Or not? Always lose? They never
Speaker 1: win like uh Tyler, Sauron doesn't win, don't they what's
Speaker 1: her name? Uh, Live Tyler. Wasn't she like? Remember she
Speaker 1: was a queen like liv Tyler?
Speaker 2: She's an elf and she marries Ara Gorn?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but aren't they aren't? Don't they win? I got
Speaker 1: to see it again? They lose?
Speaker 3: Well, they're they're the good people. So the elves are
Speaker 3: kind of like angels and the humans. They work together
Speaker 3: to defeat the goblins, who are the beat there.
Speaker 1: Yes, no, But what I'm talking about is is the goblins,
Speaker 1: what's the the what's the evil force?
Speaker 2: The eyem of Aaron Saron.
Speaker 1: That's the aliens. Those are the aliens, and then the
Speaker 1: elves are the who the They all get together and
Speaker 1: then they beat them, right, don't they win? Eventually?
Speaker 3: The good guys win?
Speaker 1: It's not so what I'm saying is that would be
Speaker 1: the New World Order. The good guys. They make them
Speaker 1: look good like they're.
Speaker 3: They're not the New World Order. It's Solron that wants
Speaker 3: one ring to rule them all, to use the Ring
Speaker 3: to control and create a one world government.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. They want one world government. Like when the
Speaker 1: aliens come in, they're gonna want a one world government too.
Speaker 1: They're the bad guys. But it's a fake alien invasion.
Speaker 1: And the fake alien invasion is to get all our
Speaker 1: nations together. And every nation is run by a fucking demon, right,
Speaker 1: But they get us scared with this fake alien invasion
Speaker 1: that we all come together and we're the good guys. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: we've been manipulated.
Speaker 2: Does that mean?
Speaker 3: But I'm just saying. In Lord of the Ring, the
Speaker 3: narrative and Tolkien was later going to write a book
Speaker 3: about Satanic cults in that world, but he ended up
Speaker 3: dying before he wrote the story. He just had notes
Speaker 3: about it. It's based on the Christian narrative. It's a
Speaker 3: Christian theme. It's not a fake alien invasion. It's Salon
Speaker 3: in the story of the Lord of the Rings is
Speaker 3: like right below Satan, the Satan character, so he's like
Speaker 3: one of the highest demons.
Speaker 1: I get that. So that would be the aliens. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying it's true.
Speaker 3: But it's not a fake invasion. In this story, it's
Speaker 3: not fake. It's an actual defeat of evil. And Tolkien
Speaker 3: said the reason that he didn't write the next story
Speaker 3: about a Satanic cult in Middle Earth was because he
Speaker 3: said it would give the impression that evil wasn't fully
Speaker 3: defeated in the trilogy and that it keeps going on.
Speaker 3: But evil doesn't keep going on. There's eventually an end
Speaker 3: to evil. So I'm not understanding how it relates to
Speaker 3: Alien Vision.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, explain. Let me explain. In the movie, yes,
Speaker 1: it's real, the evil forces are real and they want
Speaker 1: to take over and have a one world government. That's
Speaker 1: a movie that's not real. The way it affects reality
Speaker 1: is we watch that and then when we see evil,
Speaker 1: we're going to think it's real. But it's actually fake.
Speaker 1: But it's to prepare us to unite like they did
Speaker 1: in Lord of the Rings, to defeat the evil. But
Speaker 1: in reality, the evil's fake. But in the movie, the
Speaker 1: evil's real and the real, and they are they do
Speaker 1: want to take over the world, and they do. They're evil,
Speaker 1: they're just below Satan.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, maybe people to take that away from it.
Speaker 3: But in the story, the good guys, their whole argument
Speaker 3: is not to have a one world government, to be
Speaker 3: another one world government. The whole purpose of the people
Speaker 3: fighting Slen is to maintain the sovereignty of the elves
Speaker 3: as people, of the humans as people, and of the
Speaker 3: dwarves as people.
Speaker 1: It's not though, but in reality that's what we would
Speaker 1: think too. We're like, oh, yeah, we got to unite
Speaker 1: to be evil and then we're going to keep our sovereignty.
Speaker 1: But in reality, no, you didn't. We just ripped up
Speaker 1: everybody's constitution. Yeah, the aliens are gone. We defeat it.
Speaker 3: But there's nothing in Lord of the Rings that promotes
Speaker 3: that idea as far as I can tell, I think
Speaker 3: Game of Thrones promoted that at the end of Game
Speaker 3: of Thrones, the way they ended the TV show version.
Speaker 3: He hasn't written the final books, and nobody knows who's
Speaker 3: going to end it, and that one that actually say
Speaker 3: we got to get rid of all the kings and
Speaker 3: have a equalitarian, egalitarian council of equal people run by
Speaker 3: a bunch of women and minorities. So Lord, Game of
Speaker 3: Thrones actually ends that way, where everybody's equal with no king.
Speaker 3: The whole point of Return of the King is that
Speaker 3: it's like a Christian story of Jesus as the return
Speaker 3: of the King. So again, I just don't understand why
Speaker 3: you would come away and you think which whatever you want.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying I never came away with the idea
Speaker 3: that Lord of the Rings is preparing us for. I
Speaker 3: mean maybe because it came out post nine to eleven,
Speaker 3: people were thinking about it, like in a terror mindset
Speaker 3: or something like that, Like the terrorists are like.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not what you're saying is correct.
Speaker 1: In the movie, the evil forces were real. They were real.
Speaker 1: They weren't. It wasn't It wasn't a movie.
Speaker 2: I understand you're not saying.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a movie about a fake evil force. In
Speaker 1: the movie, it was a real evil force. And in
Speaker 1: the movie, all the castles were all uniting to fight
Speaker 1: this evil force, right, but they were preparing us. What happened, like,
Speaker 1: you know, after it was over, they're all like in
Speaker 1: gardens and shit and they're all happy and drinking tea.
Speaker 1: That's I think, in my opinion. I don't know. In
Speaker 1: my opinion, all I was saying was like, damn, they're
Speaker 1: getting everyone united, and whatever castles weren't down to fight,
Speaker 1: they got killed. So that shows you like, we got
Speaker 1: all united.
Speaker 3: So I said, so maybe that came out because Lord
Speaker 3: of the Rings the films came out right after nine
Speaker 3: to eleven, right around that time. So maybe the purpose
Speaker 3: from the establishment's vantage point of putting that out was
Speaker 3: to make people think that the ar arrists are like
Speaker 3: Salon or whatever and we got to unite against terror exactly.
Speaker 2: So that could be the case. Yeah, that's what I
Speaker 2: that's what I saw.
Speaker 1: I saw. I was like, that's what I see. But
Speaker 1: I could be wrong. There could be another, uh, propaganda
Speaker 1: reason for it too. But you ever see the movie.
Speaker 2: Momento Memento with Christian Bale. Yeah, I want, I want.
Speaker 1: I wish there was a panel of people we could
Speaker 1: trust and you would definitely you would be like ahead
Speaker 1: of the panel. You want to watch a movie they
Speaker 1: has zero propaganda. I don't want no fucking propaganda. I
Speaker 1: wish there was a list of movies that was approved
Speaker 1: by twelve people in the council twelve years where they're like, dude,
Speaker 1: everybody watched the movie and they're like, this looks like
Speaker 1: a legit, actual story with zero prophet you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? And and uh, that's the one good thing
Speaker 1: about AI making movies is the one good thing because
Speaker 1: up until a movies, all the movies had to go
Speaker 1: through the dream Works Filter, New Line Cinema, Columbia Uave Pictures,
Speaker 1: so whatever these giant movie companies, that's the only movies
Speaker 1: we really saw. There were some indie films too, but
Speaker 1: where do you find indie films. Most of the big
Speaker 1: movies you go to the movie theater, you go to
Speaker 1: arc Light, you go to regal if. They all go
Speaker 1: through the big houses, and by the time it gets
Speaker 1: to you, it's propagandized the shit. So the good thing
Speaker 1: about AI is anybody's gonna be able to make a
Speaker 1: movie now, so it's not gonna need to be propagandized.
Speaker 1: So sure, there's gonna be a lot of shit movies,
Speaker 1: but there's also gonna be a lot of great movies.
Speaker 1: We had great stories with Zebo Propaganda, Zero fucking Cia
Speaker 1: hand Over and all that shit. So I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: because people are like, oh, but it's not a real movie.
Speaker 1: It's say, I'm like, dude, shut the fuck up. You
Speaker 1: watch cartoons. You don't like cartoons. I love cartoons. That's
Speaker 1: all fake like, so like I watch animated movies. I
Speaker 1: watched the Super Marios movie with my son, fucking that one,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, some people watch fake shit
Speaker 1: all the time, but all of a sudden it's AI, Like,
Speaker 1: oh no, that's another kind of thing. Cartoons all the
Speaker 1: goddamn time, you know what, the Simpsons. You don't want
Speaker 1: South Park, you know what I mean. So AI can
Speaker 1: be made to look like animation, that's fine. Then people
Speaker 1: will be like, Okay, it's animated, or how about AI
Speaker 1: to make it look realistic as fuck? Who cares if
Speaker 1: it's not real? Who gives the fuck. Oh, but then
Speaker 1: the actors aren't gonna have any jobs. Who gives a fuck.
Speaker 1: I just want movies without fucking pro propaganda in them.
Speaker 1: Give me a good story, you know, and not like
Speaker 1: some typical cookie cutter bullshit. Yeah, that's what I'm looking
Speaker 1: forward with AI.
Speaker 4: Anybody's gonna be able to make movies now, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: mean that could be, that's a possibility.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think everybody just assumes AI is going
Speaker 3: to be like a dystopian, you know, nightmare thing. I mean,
Speaker 3: it could be good for the arts, but I don't know,
Speaker 3: I feel like it might. I kind of feel like
Speaker 3: it's going to be a passing fab but maybe not.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's better.
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, you still got to write
Speaker 1: the You know, if you have AI write the story
Speaker 1: for you, it's gonna be generic. Just like AI can
Speaker 1: write lyrics for you, and they can write music for you.
Speaker 1: They sucks, it's not good, and people are like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, AI is writing music like kids can write songs.
Speaker 1: Songs are easy to write. Great songs hard to write,
Speaker 1: almost impossible, but just a song. Kids can write a
Speaker 1: song and a poem. So who cares of AI can
Speaker 1: write lyrics and music. Who wants to hear that anyways?
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that shit. But but if
Speaker 1: you can write a script and put it, you know, direct,
Speaker 1: put all these director's notes in the script and just
Speaker 1: stick it into AI and it's all your words, it's
Speaker 1: your script, and AI turns it into like like a
Speaker 1: five hundred million dollar looking movie. How is that bad?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? That's like saying like I
Speaker 1: had this this guy owns this multimillion dollar stem cell
Speaker 1: company and he's telling me, He's like, listen, dude, you
Speaker 1: got to get this one program. It's AI, dude. We
Speaker 1: just take all our footage. We have like tens of
Speaker 1: thousands of hours of fucking video foot and he fucking
Speaker 1: just puts to get edit shit that we want. We
Speaker 1: just give little prompts and it goes through everything and
Speaker 1: it just edits these awesome little promos and commercials and stuff.
Speaker 1: And I said, and I said to him, I'm like,
Speaker 1: don't you think people are going to be pissed off?
Speaker 2: Like for what?
Speaker 1: Because you didn't actually use real editors? And He's like,
Speaker 1: who gives a fuck? Like like why would we like,
Speaker 1: why would we be cared? And how I just said
Speaker 1: that I was being sarcastic, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because I'm for AI. You know what I mean what
Speaker 1: I do with Ai for music, I've written a shit
Speaker 1: ton of songs for the last thirty five years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: sitting in my computer these MP three's old demos that
Speaker 1: I did back in eighty eight doing nothing, and now
Speaker 1: you could I could upload that song in the tsuno
Speaker 1: and then it pops up a beautifully produced version of
Speaker 1: the song, still the same lyrics, still the same chord progression,
Speaker 1: It's the same song. Hey, I didn't write the song
Speaker 1: a I just remixed it. And fuck, I'm having so
Speaker 1: much fun with that. It's bringing all these songs that
Speaker 1: were dead in the water for decades back to life.
Speaker 1: For me, can make any version of them. I can
Speaker 1: make a reggae version. I can make I'm making a
Speaker 1: Lana del Ray version of songs. I produce a lot
Speaker 1: of female songs, and I got all these female songs
Speaker 1: with shit production. But the lyrics are great and according
Speaker 1: to me, and so are the chord progressions and everything.
Speaker 1: I put my heart and soul into these songs. It
Speaker 1: was just a production sucked. I did them on four
Speaker 1: four track task cameracorders. Now I take that same file,
Speaker 1: upload it to Suno and it pops up any version
Speaker 1: I want. I could keep it the same, just just
Speaker 1: amp up the production, make it sound like a million dollars,
Speaker 1: or I can make it a country song just like that.
Speaker 1: Like that, and for a songwriter. Songwriters always had in
Speaker 1: their head like they would write a song and they
Speaker 1: would think, man, man, this might work reggae, This might
Speaker 1: work country, This might work fucking new metal. This might
Speaker 1: work if I did it like this, This might work reggaeton.
Speaker 1: But you will never know because you're never gonna do it.
Speaker 1: No one ever does it because it's so expensive to
Speaker 1: produce a song just at a high level, and it
Speaker 1: takes too much time that you're only going to do
Speaker 1: your set genre. You're not gonna do it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: spend another five thousand dollars to make a country version
Speaker 1: that no one does. You would think you want other
Speaker 1: people to do it, like, oh shit, I did a
Speaker 1: country version of my song. But you would never do
Speaker 1: it because you don't have the time and you don't
Speaker 1: have the money.
Speaker 3: You would never.
Speaker 1: But now you could make your song any version you
Speaker 1: want and just fucking tweak it any way you want
Speaker 1: like that. It's like that, Like I fucking love it. Man,
Speaker 1: It's it's what songwriters and producers been waiting for their
Speaker 1: whole life. Engineers, they're fucking panicking engineers, like they're panicking.
Speaker 1: It's like a if someone gave.
Speaker 4: You a.
Speaker 1: Mansion, you know, a ten ten million dollar mansion and
Speaker 1: it's fucking up in the hills and it's fucking amazing.
Speaker 1: It's got thirteen bedrooms, amazing backyard with a fucking Olympic
Speaker 1: pool and at tennis court, and you would take it, right,
Speaker 1: You would take the house if they just gave it
Speaker 1: to Yeah, right, but what if you found out like
Speaker 1: it was made by like robots and shit and not
Speaker 1: Mexicans from home Depot? Would you be mad? Would you
Speaker 1: give the house? You wouldn't give a fuck. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: give a fuck if robots made it. And then if
Speaker 1: they told you, you know, the architect was Ai Ai
Speaker 1: Ai designed the house. Nobody would care. No one care
Speaker 1: at all, Like oh, like, no one gives a fuck.
Speaker 1: The engineers the work, the ones that they are doing,
Speaker 1: like the hard work. They're the ones that the middleman
Speaker 1: are getting cut out. You still need to create. Just
Speaker 1: like I said, AI, write shit lyrics. Write me a
Speaker 1: song about boy meets girl girlly boy and it's gonna
Speaker 1: be generic and knowing it's gonna be this vanilla. I
Speaker 1: would never do that. I would never have a I
Speaker 1: write lyrics for me. I write my own lyrics. It's
Speaker 1: my they're my lyrics or or or singers that I'm
Speaker 1: producing their lyrics and my my chord progressions I put
Speaker 1: together ship. AI just makes it sound like h like
Speaker 1: I got signed by Capitol Records and they gave me
Speaker 1: two dollars to make the album. That's the only difference,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? So for a producer, producers
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck who played if you're you're producing
Speaker 1: a band. A producer is producing a band. He does
Speaker 1: not give a fuck who plays bass on this album.
Speaker 1: All he he cares about is how the album is
Speaker 1: gonna make him look and are the songs gonna be
Speaker 1: as good as they can be. He don't give a
Speaker 1: fucking play. As a matter of fact, he don't like
Speaker 1: that drummer. You know, in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: they're gonna bring in another drum They're gonna bring in
Speaker 1: Travis Barker to play drums because the drummer of this
Speaker 1: band just ain't cutting it. He's like out of time.
Speaker 1: The producer don't give a shit. The producer don't even
Speaker 1: be like if the guy can't even pull off harmon,
Speaker 1: He's like, we're gonna bring someone else in. Like, the
Speaker 1: producer don't care. The producer just cares about the product,
Speaker 1: the song. What does the song sound like? Now? The
Speaker 1: bass player he cares, he cares. The drummer, he cares
Speaker 1: because he's getting cut out. They're bringing in Travis Barker
Speaker 1: to redo all his drums. They care. You know, the
Speaker 1: guitar player of the guitar player that good, and they
Speaker 1: bring the dude from Alice Cooper. They're gonna care the producer,
Speaker 1: don't care the producer. My reputation is on the motherfucking
Speaker 1: Like with Smashing Pumpkins, when they first got signed, the
Speaker 1: band was never around. They were always partying, and Billy
Speaker 1: Corgan was always the one on the demo making the
Speaker 1: demo tapes. You gets signed with the demo te Butch
Speaker 1: Vig signs him and he hears the demo, tap goes,
Speaker 1: it's fucking great, Let's do an album. So they go
Speaker 1: in the band's all excited. They get signed off Billy
Speaker 1: Corgan playing everything on the demo, and then when they
Speaker 1: get in the studio, butch Vig goes, what the fuck
Speaker 1: is this, Like what is this guy playing? He goes,
Speaker 1: he's the guitar player and she's the bass player, and
Speaker 1: he's all like, that's not what that's on the demo,
Speaker 1: and like so Butch Vic said, listen, motherfucker, you're playing
Speaker 1: all this shit. Okay, that was you on the demo.
Speaker 1: You don't fuck them, And so Billy had to tell
Speaker 1: Darcy and James, like, listen, Butch wants me to play
Speaker 1: the bass and all the guitar and they were like,
Speaker 1: put the next album once. Once we do the next album,
Speaker 1: then we're gonna everyone's gonna play. So they're like, fuck, okay,
Speaker 1: I guess. And you know, Billy Corgan's he shrats. He's
Speaker 1: really really good, way better than he's a shudder so
Speaker 1: they understood. And Darcy's not that great of a bass player,
Speaker 1: so she kind of she goes on the second album,
Speaker 1: then we'll all come back. So by the time before
Speaker 1: the second album was worked on, butch Vig did never
Speaker 1: mind Nirvana, that blows up. That's the biggest album in
Speaker 1: the fucking world. Now butch Vig is a super star producer.
Speaker 1: He's the hottest producer in the world, and now he's
Speaker 1: his Next on his list is like doing Smashing Pumpkins
Speaker 1: second album because the first album he did with them
Speaker 1: was like the biggest indie album. Yeah, yes, yesh right,
Speaker 1: that was the biggest indie album, but it wasn't like massive.
Speaker 1: But then he goes from gifsh Smashing Pumpkins big indie album.
Speaker 1: Then a Nirvana wants butch Vig because he did Smashing
Speaker 1: Pumpkins big indie album, Havanna blows the fuck up there,
Speaker 1: go through the fucking stratosphere and now, uh, they're gonna
Speaker 1: do the Smashing Pumpkin to do their second album, Simon's Dream.
Speaker 1: So now Butch Vig's fucking reputation is on the line.
Speaker 1: So now they're gonna do the album. Now, Darcy and
Speaker 1: James think they're gonna play on the album, and then
Speaker 1: Butch goes, they're not fucking playing this album. You're playing
Speaker 1: everything on this album. So that's where the fucking the
Speaker 1: riff started and all the divide because even on Simes,
Speaker 1: Billy played everything as far as the guitar and the
Speaker 1: bass goes. Of course, Jimmy Chamberlin on drums, he's a master.
Speaker 1: I mean, Billy Cory can't play drums, But as far
Speaker 1: as the bass and guitar, Billy played everything. And then
Speaker 1: of course he sang most everything right. Uh So to
Speaker 1: my point was AI, all the producer cares about is
Speaker 1: how good the final product is, you know, And that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean everyone should think like that. You know, if
Speaker 1: you're a bass player, you should be like, dude, I
Speaker 1: want to I want my bassline to be on this
Speaker 1: my shit. Yeah, and I get that too, but ais
Speaker 1: for creators, people that are creating. Because if you can
Speaker 1: create something and have AI fucking make it sound like
Speaker 1: like a script, you could stick You imagine sticking the
Speaker 1: script in the AI and it's all your words, it's
Speaker 1: your storyline and everything. But all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: visuals look like they you know, it was three hundred
Speaker 1: million spent on it. That's a good thing in my eyes.
Speaker 1: That's not a bad thing. That's a good thing as
Speaker 1: long as that's the story is good and the script
Speaker 1: is good.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I said, we're saying that's a good point.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think it's definitely going to be
Speaker 3: a lot of positives. I just worry that they're going
Speaker 3: to like shut shit down before people have the ability
Speaker 3: to use it for that, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: you know we get some kind of it's so close.
Speaker 1: Yeah close, man. I got guys really trying to master
Speaker 1: and there's improvements, like every other day, there's like a
Speaker 1: new there's it's improving like at an AI speed. Like
Speaker 1: AI it's like exponential. It's like exactly ya nuclear bomb
Speaker 1: supposed to work.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very hey man, I'll probably have to go pretty soon.
Speaker 3: But I loved I love to If you want to
Speaker 3: do it again. I'd love to come back anytime.
Speaker 2: I love you.
Speaker 1: This was an awesome talk likewise dog, awesome podcast. Let's
Speaker 1: do it again. We got way more movies to get
Speaker 1: to and TV shows.
Speaker 2: Man, Thank you, dude, and you have a good night
Speaker 2: you too, Eddie, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you.