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Speaker 2: Welcome to the occult Rejects.
Speaker 3: In this episode, I got Julia Cosrick Peach back with
Speaker 3: us again. The last few times that we've had her
Speaker 3: on it's been a blest. We went live, it's very
Speaker 3: interactive chat. The fans loved this, so how to bring
Speaker 3: it back again and we all live?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 3: And I got joining me, I got your cult reject
Speaker 3: man scientist Lisa, and I got.
Speaker 2: My man Headless Giant. How do you say that?
Speaker 3: What's that label you got over there, schitz up poster?
Speaker 2: Yes, story very very fair.
Speaker 3: Yeah Headless yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he's been on a roll.
Speaker 2: You gotta go check this.
Speaker 4: We've got a bunch of good emails coming up for
Speaker 4: the for the next reading of your occult slash paranormal stories.
Speaker 3: So I'm really excited about that. Yeah again again, Please,
Speaker 3: I've played Headless? Is he had to plug it again
Speaker 3: before we get into the show. Please, if you have
Speaker 3: any of these stories, any like weird dreams, a cult whatever,
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Speaker 4: My man Headless Esoteric stories, occult stories, paranormal stories, dreams
Speaker 4: that you have recurring or strange occurrences in your family.
Speaker 4: You can email me at Headless Giant podcast at gmail
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Speaker 4: the air. So check that out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it should be fun.
Speaker 3: We've actually been getting email, well, he's been getting the
Speaker 3: emails in and I think it's going to be some
Speaker 3: fun stuff.
Speaker 2: Definitely looking forward to that. And uh, yeah you want
Speaker 2: to let it?
Speaker 3: Did you already plug your show me podcast? Okay, no, no,
Speaker 3: not you yet, Julia. We're gonna do Headless. I'll give you.
Speaker 3: Did you plug your podcast already?
Speaker 4: Check me out on YouTube Headless Giant Podcasts. You'll find
Speaker 4: me there.
Speaker 2: Awesome. Thank you. Now to the main guest, Julia.
Speaker 5: I am wherever you listen to podcasts, just you know,
Speaker 5: not YouTube course, because fuck them. And I'm on Cult
Speaker 5: of Conspiracy podcast every Saturday. I do a show for
Speaker 5: them once a week, and yes, and so if you
Speaker 5: want to check that out, it's called Cult ex Cosmic
Speaker 5: every Saturday, and then I of course have my own show,
Speaker 5: Cosmic Peach and then coming up around the corner, I
Speaker 5: don't have like a release date yet, but Colby and
Speaker 5: I are starting a new show. It's called The kill Room,
Speaker 5: and it's going to be featured on my show as well,
Speaker 5: and I'm really excited about that actually, because he has
Speaker 5: such a different take on things than I do and
Speaker 5: it makes for interesting conversation. So I'm really looking forward
Speaker 5: to that as well.
Speaker 3: That is awesome, nice, nice, and that's really cool. With
Speaker 3: the culture Conspiracy, I've been dealing with those guys for
Speaker 3: a few years now, and like every few months we'll
Speaker 3: get together and do something. I really do like those guys.
Speaker 3: I highly suggest to go check them out and I will.
Speaker 3: Me and Teresa are actually going to be covering a
Speaker 3: topic on their show Tuesday, so the show really Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: covering the Saint Alamafia.
Speaker 5: Oh that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, those guys are fun.
Speaker 5: The fun to talk shit with with a crazy cult leader.
Speaker 3: No, but you know what, like I just even like
Speaker 3: sometimes they don't agree, goes great, it's not to explain. Yeah, really,
Speaker 3: I really do like having those guys on because you
Speaker 3: can have.
Speaker 5: People prefer that though. Yeah, nobody likes an echo chamber,
Speaker 5: and I think that's why people enjoy when Colby and
Speaker 5: I get together. Actually, I went on We went on
Speaker 5: the White Rabbit podcast the other night, and he was
Speaker 5: saying how he listened to our series called blood Ties,
Speaker 5: and he said, you guys don't really agree on stuff,
Speaker 5: and you'll just hash it out right there on the spot.
Speaker 5: And I think that's refreshing that people don't always agree
Speaker 5: on certain things. Makes you think harder about whether or
Speaker 5: not you have all the information you know.
Speaker 4: Right, and different opinions actual don't hurt everybody.
Speaker 5: Right, mm hmm. Yeah. And I mean even with the
Speaker 5: topic tonight, we're all probably gonna have different opinions at
Speaker 5: the end, and I'm actually going to ask you guys
Speaker 5: what you think at the end. But there are certain
Speaker 5: things that cannot be disputed, and then there are certain
Speaker 5: things that are up for debate. So we'll see at
Speaker 5: the end where you guys stand on everything. But I'm
Speaker 5: actually really excited to get into the topic today as well,
Speaker 5: because it's something that I'm really passionate about.
Speaker 3: Well, I remember a long time ago when you told
Speaker 3: me you were even working on Yeah.
Speaker 5: I've been working on it for a couple of years
Speaker 5: now and just keep adding stuff to it.
Speaker 3: That's why I like when I saw that you're even
Speaker 3: doing it again. It reminded me of you telling me
Speaker 3: that you were getting into that. I mean, this is
Speaker 3: probably going years ago.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh shit, I gotta get off of that.
Speaker 2: I never actually superrit up the topic. That was one
Speaker 2: of the topics we never spoke about.
Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, no, it's it's a big one, that's for sure.
Speaker 5: So I mean kind of like the last couple of
Speaker 5: times I've been on the Occult Rejects. If this spills
Speaker 5: over into two parts, you know, so be it. But
Speaker 5: I feel like it's you know, it's early enough in
Speaker 5: the afternoon we might be able to squeeze it all
Speaker 5: into one. But we've been meeting so late at night
Speaker 5: the last couple of times. I've feel bad for you
Speaker 5: guys because I just keep going on and on and
Speaker 5: you guys just like to it in the morning.
Speaker 2: Like shut up. No, I've been loving it. Thank you.
Speaker 2: All right, So, uh, do you want to get in I.
Speaker 5: Mean just diving?
Speaker 2: Sure? Ye have it?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 5: All right. Well, so we're gonna be talking about Marilyn
Speaker 5: Monroe on today's episode. And of course, you know, as
Speaker 5: I always say, I think all you need to do
Speaker 5: to sell a mainstream narrative to people is have a
Speaker 5: documentary on either HBO or Netflix with some great visuals
Speaker 5: and some catchy background music, and you will one hundred
Speaker 5: percent fucking brainwash everyone into thinking that's the mainstream narrative.
Speaker 5: And there is no shortage of Maryland documentaries on either
Speaker 5: Netflix or HBO, and they all sell you the same thing.
Speaker 5: Marilyn was a severely depressed woman. She was promiscuous, she
Speaker 5: had a bunch of weird sexual affairs, and she got
Speaker 5: really depressed. She committed suicide. She overdosed on sedative drugs,
Speaker 5: and she was found nude in her home in Hollywood.
Speaker 5: I believe her some part of California, and she, you know,
Speaker 5: she did it to herself. And that's all that we
Speaker 5: need to know is she was fucked up, depressed, took
Speaker 5: a bunch of pills, killed herself. And they do a
Speaker 5: great job selling you that story. And they even have
Speaker 5: in one of the Netflix documentaries they interview a guy
Speaker 5: that was her psychiatrist. They interview his family. His name
Speaker 5: was doctor Green or something like that. It's in my
Speaker 5: notes and we'll get to it. But I mean, I
Speaker 5: don't know where you guys stand on it, but I've
Speaker 5: always thought, even as great of a sales job as
Speaker 5: they do, like there had to be more to this story,
Speaker 5: especially because of who she was. I mean, you guys
Speaker 5: can jump in. What did you did you always think like, okay,
Speaker 5: for sure she killed herself? Or did you always have questions?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: I always thought as a kid, I always thought like
Speaker 3: even Elvis Presley and her stories were always like, eh.
Speaker 5: So Lisa, what do you think?
Speaker 6: I always thought someone else killed her, always thought that, like, did.
Speaker 5: You did you have any suspects.
Speaker 6: The Kennedys was one, for sure, or the CIA her
Speaker 6: handlers that maybe she I think when I I didn't
Speaker 6: know initially, when I first her the story, I was like, no,
Speaker 6: she seemed too vain to have killed herself that way
Speaker 6: or just killed herself period. Plus I think that she
Speaker 6: probably initially is she probably was told some secrets that
Speaker 6: they didn't want people to know, that maybe she was
Speaker 6: privy to something. And then as time went on and
Speaker 6: I heard more, I thought, you know what, I think
Speaker 6: they killed her because she was going off script in
Speaker 6: a way that you know, was threatening to her what
Speaker 6: her job originally was, or that they were she had
Speaker 6: become some some kind of like, I don't know, volatile.
Speaker 6: You know, they couldn't handle her anymore.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I mean headless. What did you think I I.
Speaker 4: Grew up at a Christian home, so she was always
Speaker 4: the example of, you know, this is what a decadent
Speaker 4: lifestyle will lead to. So it wasn't until much later
Speaker 4: that I was like, this doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 4: She was connected to a lot of very powerful people
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, you know, having this great
Speaker 4: life and everything else, she decides to kill herself. That
Speaker 4: doesn't make a lot of sense.
Speaker 5: So she was kind of a cautionary tale in your household.
Speaker 5: That's kind of funny to me. But I mean, so
Speaker 5: there are a few things I want to get out
Speaker 5: right away, because I do believe that Marilyn Monroe, even
Speaker 5: the name the double m Marilyn Monroe, Monarch, mind control,
Speaker 5: stuff like that, to me stands out. It does appear
Speaker 5: that she probably had multiple personalities. She was probably in
Speaker 5: some type of sex kit, and you know how they
Speaker 5: like to use beautiful, famous women in those type of roles,
Speaker 5: And she grew up in orphanages, so it wasn't like
Speaker 5: anybody gave a fuck what happened to her. They essentially
Speaker 5: created a cartoon character out of a real person. Her
Speaker 5: name was Norma Jeane and they turned her into Marilyn Monroe.
Speaker 5: They literally bleached her hair. She got a nose job,
Speaker 5: they and so it was to me, I always look
Speaker 5: at if someone has multiple personality disorder or d I
Speaker 5: D whatever, they're usually the ones that start off as
Speaker 5: normal people and then abruptly have like a bleached hair moment.
Speaker 5: And if you look at it, Eminem bleached hair, Kanye
Speaker 5: went crazy, bleached his hair, Lady Gaga started off normal
Speaker 5: but then bleached her hair, and now I think she's
Speaker 5: a trans weirdo, which and so I mean, you just
Speaker 5: look at it, and it's like the bleaching of the
Speaker 5: hair is almost like the signal of all right, this
Speaker 5: person's undergone some fucking programming, and now you know they
Speaker 5: have an alter identity. Yeah, because they they bleach their
Speaker 5: hair and they literally go fucking nuts. And if you
Speaker 5: look at any celebrity, even like Lindsay Lohan, she was
Speaker 5: a ginger and she was so cute, she was on
Speaker 5: the Disney Channel, bleached her hair, started faking a British accent,
Speaker 5: and nobody fucking knows what's wrong with her now, and
Speaker 5: so I just think that that's something that you can
Speaker 5: look at as being odd, you know, like why did
Speaker 5: they suddenly bleach their hair and they can become a
Speaker 5: completely different person overnight. And I don't think Marilyn is,
Speaker 5: you know, I don't think she is immune to that.
Speaker 5: I think she's like example, exhibit A of multiple personality disorder.
Speaker 5: And I think that, Oh yeah, go ahead. Sure.
Speaker 4: So the movie The Long Kiss Good Night with Geena
Speaker 4: Davis is where you've got this mk ultra assassin played
Speaker 4: by Geena Day Davis who gets kicked in the head
Speaker 4: by a deer that she hits on the road, loses
Speaker 4: her memory, and then she comes back. The memory comes back,
Speaker 4: and she starts to remember that she's an assassin. And
Speaker 4: what's the very first thing she does. She bleaches her hair.
Speaker 5: Oh dude, See, I'm telling you it's crazy. And it's
Speaker 5: not to say, like if somebody's got a bad breakup
Speaker 5: and they want to stick it to their fucking ex
Speaker 5: boyfriend and they don't bleach their hair, like you have
Speaker 5: multiple personnelity. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about
Speaker 5: celebrities who you see go through a huge transformation almost
Speaker 5: overnight with the bleaching of the hair and like the
Speaker 5: complete identity switch. And she really pushed the blood diamonds.
Speaker 5: She was like this spokesperson for that, you know, diamonds
Speaker 5: are a girl's best friend. We got a comment, Hey,
Speaker 5: what's up? What's up? And so, I mean, I think
Speaker 5: and Nick is probably gonna give you more information than
Speaker 5: I can about this. And I'm actually kind of glad
Speaker 5: we're covering this with him because I've found weird numbers
Speaker 5: surrounding her and I've always had an idea of what
Speaker 5: I think they mean, but Nick might be able to
Speaker 5: elaborate on this. But there's a lot of eights around Maryland.
Speaker 5: So I mean, I've always thought of the eight as
Speaker 5: like the snake eating its tail, the infinity symbol. And
Speaker 5: she did die on August fourth, sixty two and six
Speaker 5: and two is eight, so and then like I believe
Speaker 5: her address had some aids in it, And I mean,
Speaker 5: what do you think about that, Nick, because you probably
Speaker 5: know more about that shit than I do.
Speaker 3: It's just the eight. I mean, it's numerical. I mean,
Speaker 3: I like it because of the magician. I think it
Speaker 3: does show like the continuation of cycles of like life
Speaker 3: and death shows an unyoked eyes sense. For me, it's
Speaker 3: a pretty deeply occulted in my opinion, shape or number
Speaker 3: or sigil. The hell did you want to add anything
Speaker 3: on that yourself?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's sort of like so much soiety, right, Fives, eights,
Speaker 4: and thirteen seems to be like the pattern breakers. Right.
Speaker 4: So for five, you know, you've got the perfection of
Speaker 4: the four being the four side stability, and then the
Speaker 4: fifth is like the pattern breaker, and then you've got
Speaker 4: the seven, like the seven planets and all the rest
Speaker 4: of these holy sevens. And then the pattern breaker would
Speaker 4: be the eight, twelve, you know, twelve signs of the zodiac,
Speaker 4: all the rest of that stuff.
Speaker 2: In the teen.
Speaker 4: You know, these are the ones that sort of stand
Speaker 4: out numerology as being the pattern breaker. And if you
Speaker 4: look at her role as being the you know, putting
Speaker 4: to bed all the nineteen fifties sort of value based systems,
Speaker 4: you know, kind of that cautionary tale again, she was
Speaker 4: the kind of pattern breaker on that whole nineteen fifties
Speaker 4: moral aesthetic.
Speaker 5: And I think, you know, I've talked to Sean mccannon
Speaker 5: about this a little bit too. He has this whole
Speaker 5: octagon theory and the gosh, what is that thing that
Speaker 5: he's always talking about in Satanism? It's like a cube
Speaker 5: that keeps extruding from itself. What is that thing called?
Speaker 5: Do you know what I'm talking about? It's like a
Speaker 5: cube within a cube within a cube, and it just yeah,
Speaker 5: and it just keeps going out and it's like an
Speaker 5: eight sided and it just keeps expanding. And that's also
Speaker 5: why they use the octagon and like sporting stuff and
Speaker 5: the eight sided. It's just the test erect Yeah, there
Speaker 5: you go. Yeah, So, I mean, I do believe that
Speaker 5: the eight is significant. I went on a Google search
Speaker 5: one day and I just googled like major tragedies that
Speaker 5: happened in August and like a lot of fucking shit.
Speaker 5: It's like they specifically use August to conduct a lot
Speaker 5: of these fucking rituals and shit. And I don't find
Speaker 5: it at all a coincidence. She died August fourth in
Speaker 5: an eight year sixty two. But so it just that
Speaker 5: stuck out to me. And without even getting into too
Speaker 5: much conspiracy theory stuff right off the bat, there is
Speaker 5: one more thing I want to mention though, before I
Speaker 5: get into like the like the autopsy findings. But you
Speaker 5: guys are familiar with Eyes White Shut, right, Yes, okay.
Speaker 5: The little girl in Eyes White Shut, her name is Helena,
Speaker 5: and she's supposed to be getting inducted, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: into this this monarch mind control, sex kit and fucking
Speaker 5: occult ring of women. And it pretty much shows you
Speaker 5: that at the end because when they're in the toy store,
Speaker 5: she gets led off by two weird guys at the
Speaker 5: end of the movie and yeah, Teresa, I fucking yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5: I did a show with Teresa about the eights. What Teresa,
Speaker 5: why isn't your ass on here? Anyways, at the end
Speaker 5: of Ours Wide Shut, Helena gets let off by two
Speaker 5: guys and it's almost as if Alice the mom knows
Speaker 5: about this. Maybe Alice is a part of the program
Speaker 5: as well, and she's almost letting them take her daughter away.
Speaker 5: And in the toy store there's a weird scene where
Speaker 5: in the background there's a bunch of barbiees and the
Speaker 5: main focus on the barbie is this Marilyn Monroe barbie
Speaker 5: and it's headless. Do you know which Barbie it is?
Speaker 5: I can't remember. It's like.
Speaker 2: I remember one of them. I know. The scene you're
Speaker 2: talking about. I just can't remember what Barbie that is, but.
Speaker 5: It's a Marilyn Barbie. I can't remember what movie it is,
Speaker 5: but it's it's a weird scene for showing Helena walking
Speaker 5: down the toys toy store and there's two guys that
Speaker 5: are following her and they're obviously gonna lead her off
Speaker 5: and they it's almost like Stanley Kuber put the shot
Speaker 5: of this Marilynd Barbie like right there, so it's in
Speaker 5: your focal point. You do notice that you do see
Speaker 5: it there.
Speaker 2: You're supposed to see it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're supposed to see it. And you know, the
Speaker 5: the street that Marilyn lived on was Helena Drive. So
Speaker 5: I think it's significant that they put these things in
Speaker 5: there to kind of sink everything together.
Speaker 4: Well. I think it's very important the name Helena too,
Speaker 4: because even back to the one of the most widely
Speaker 4: you know, read and understood mythologies goes back to the
Speaker 4: Iliad and that was all sparked off by Helen of Troy,
Speaker 4: and they even called everything having to do with the
Speaker 4: Greek religion is Helenism, right, So this is like the
Speaker 4: the Ultimate Prize will also be also being like the
Speaker 4: Ultimate you know, sort of downfall of man's right, that
Speaker 4: concept there.
Speaker 5: It's like the Greek goddess kind of weirdness to around Maryland,
Speaker 5: around the eyes wide shut thing. It's all kind of
Speaker 5: ritualistic and it almost reeks of like ancient religion almost.
Speaker 5: So without going too far into conspiracy, because I did
Speaker 5: say this, I think to Lisa, but without even going
Speaker 5: down the conspiracy theory road, I can prove that Marylyn
Speaker 5: didn't kill herself just with scientific evidence. And so I mean,
Speaker 5: if anybody walks away from this episode with a doubt
Speaker 5: in their mind, I'd be fucking surprised, because I was
Speaker 5: just absolutely appalled when I came across this shit in
Speaker 5: a book and I was like, why don't more people
Speaker 5: know about this? And I was like, oh, yeah, I know,
Speaker 5: because they don't want you to know about this stuff.
Speaker 5: But so, her official cause of death was a cute
Speaker 5: barbituate poisoning, and they said it was a suicide. But
Speaker 5: the medical examer penciled in a word next to suicide
Speaker 5: and he put probable, like he wrote that in himself.
Speaker 5: He took a pencil and literally wrote probable suicide. So
Speaker 5: he wasn't even convinced that that's what really happened. But
Speaker 5: they did say it was a self administered overdose of
Speaker 5: sedative drugs. That's what they say. But what's weird is
Speaker 5: there were absolutely no trace of tablets found in her
Speaker 5: stomach at all period. No trace of tablets were found
Speaker 5: in her stomach or her intestines. So she had enough
Speaker 5: chloral hydrate and nimbutol in her system to legitimately kill
Speaker 5: an elephant. They said she had sixty to seventy nimbutahl
Speaker 5: and nineteen to twenty chloral hydrate tablets the equivalent of
Speaker 5: that in her system, but somehow when they crack her open,
Speaker 5: there is absolutely no trace of tablets found in the
Speaker 5: stomach or the intestine. So if that's true, and she
Speaker 5: had taken sixty to seventy nimbu tall pills and nineteen
Speaker 5: to twenty chloral hydrate tablets, digestion stops at death, So
Speaker 5: when they cracked her open, there should have been significant
Speaker 5: evidence of undigested tablets in her stomach, because you die
Speaker 5: before that shit actually has a chance to dissolve, you
Speaker 5: die of an overdose fucking five pills in before we're
Speaker 5: talking sixty to seventy nimbu tall tablets and nineteen to
Speaker 5: twenty chloral hydrate tablets. But there was not a fucking
Speaker 5: trace in her stomach or her intestines.
Speaker 6: I have problem following, like she didn't really like to
Speaker 6: take pills or something like that that I remember, dude.
Speaker 5: She was a known gagger. And that's right, gentlemen. There
Speaker 5: is no perfect woman out there. Marilyn was a gagger.
Speaker 5: She fucking gagged, she could, and you know what, we'll
Speaker 5: get into it later, but she was a fucking gagging
Speaker 5: ass bitch. And the thing is, I am not a gagger,
Speaker 5: and I don't even see myself being able to swallow
Speaker 5: sixty to seventy pills. Actually, it would have been more
Speaker 5: than that, sixty to seventy of one type of pill
Speaker 5: and then twenty of another, So hello, who the fuck
Speaker 5: is doing? You'd have to eat it like cereal. You'd
Speaker 5: have to pour him in a bowl and fucking put
Speaker 5: milk and I'm like fucking cheerios and eat them like that.
Speaker 3: There's no way liquid of just trying to swallow all
Speaker 3: those pills back to back.
Speaker 5: They said tablets, you remember, because the iconic picture of
Speaker 5: Marylyn with the pill bottle knocked over on the night stand.
Speaker 6: Yes, I remember that.
Speaker 5: So yeah, they literally say that, uh, Marilyn to have
Speaker 5: swallowed pills because look, there's a tipped over pill bottle
Speaker 5: on the nightstand. There was something else that was missing
Speaker 5: in her autopsy though, So if digestion stops at death
Speaker 5: and there was no sign of tablets in the stomach
Speaker 5: or the intestines, there's also another problem is that she
Speaker 5: didn't have any refractive crystals in her stomach or small intestine.
Speaker 5: And basically what refractive crystals are is the active ingredient
Speaker 5: in any drugs. So once the medication starts to dissolve,
Speaker 5: it produces refractive crystals and they're very easily spotted in
Speaker 5: the stomach or the intestine, so you can tell if
Speaker 5: somebody has taken pills. So taking sixty to seventy of
Speaker 5: one type of medication and twenty of another, you would
Speaker 5: have thought there would be substantial residue in the stomach
Speaker 5: or the small intestine. And actually Nimbu Tall is coated
Speaker 5: with a super thick yellow dye and that was also
Speaker 5: not present anywhere in her body. So if she was
Speaker 5: to have taken seventy of those bitches, her entire stomach
Speaker 5: and intestine would have been coated in this yellow dye
Speaker 5: and that wasn't present as well. So somebody come at
Speaker 5: me if they want to go ahead and say Marylyn
Speaker 5: took some fucking pills, because where are they? Is what
Speaker 5: I'd say.
Speaker 3: Somebody even mentioned, I mean, there was a good chance
Speaker 3: that we think you'd say getting did they mention if
Speaker 3: there she puked, vomited or anything like that.
Speaker 5: So I'm actually going to get into that, but I'll
Speaker 5: tell you right now. The first officer on the scene,
Speaker 5: his name was Sergeant Jack Clemens, and he noted when
Speaker 5: he walked into Marylyn's bedroom that there was no regurgitated
Speaker 5: material anywhere in the bedroom, bathroom or near Maryland at all.
Speaker 5: So he had actually reported to many suicides, and he
Speaker 5: knew because he had them several times, that when a
Speaker 5: person takes that many pills, before they can even all
Speaker 5: start to digest and kill the person, their body goes
Speaker 5: in evacuation mode and it literally starts fucking spewing.
Speaker 3: Sometimes and up as a way of your body even
Speaker 3: saying like you're doing too much drugs.
Speaker 5: Right right, So imagine taking sixty to seventy nimbutohl in
Speaker 5: twenty which by the way. Chloral hydrate is date rate drug,
Speaker 5: or it used to be a form of it. So
Speaker 5: I don't know why you'd want to kill yourself in
Speaker 5: that way, but fock that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: She took twenty of those and there was no regurgitative
Speaker 5: material anywhere.
Speaker 6: Wasn't it also at one point considered a hypnotic chlorohydrate.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So imagine wanting to kill yourself in that way,
Speaker 5: because then you tall the sleeping pill that wouldn't do
Speaker 5: it for you, you had it on top of that
Speaker 5: roofy yourself. I'll look at this chloral hydrate as a
Speaker 5: mood stayer for sleep disorders. Well, I don't think she Actually,
Speaker 5: this is a good point to bring up. She did
Speaker 5: not have access to the drugs in the amount that
Speaker 5: killed her because she was seeing a psychiatrist. They were
Speaker 5: trying to wean her off. They said she had a
Speaker 5: serious problem, and the prescription that she had wasn't even
Speaker 5: in the amount of the the the levels that she
Speaker 5: had in her system. So she maybe had a prescription
Speaker 5: for let's say, like twenty sleeping pills and they find
Speaker 5: sixty to seventy in the in her bloodstream, and then
Speaker 5: another twenty of chloral hydrate, which she didn't even have
Speaker 5: a prescription for. She had a prescription for nimutoh maybe
Speaker 5: twenty tablets, but not for chloral hydrate, and not in
Speaker 5: the amounts that were found in her bloodstream. And they
Speaker 5: were like, well, she's Marilyn Monroe. She could have bought
Speaker 5: them from someone. She didn't have pills in her stomach,
Speaker 5: So how the fuck did that level of drugs get
Speaker 5: into her bloodstream? That's the main question. And if she
Speaker 5: didn't take pills, because there's absolutely no evidence in her
Speaker 5: stomach or digestive track that she did, how did they
Speaker 5: get in there? And did Marilyn do it to herself?
Speaker 5: I fucking think not because think of the entry points, right,
Speaker 5: did she inject it? Well, they searched her whole body
Speaker 5: and there was no injection site wound anywhere. They checked
Speaker 5: in between her toes and between her fingers, nothing there.
Speaker 5: So what is the only other way you could get
Speaker 5: that amount of drugs introduced that quickly into the body
Speaker 5: to basically have that big of a payload. And that's
Speaker 5: where the rest of the fucking autopsy report comes in.
Speaker 5: Because she had bruises on the backs of her legs
Speaker 5: and the backs of arms, and a big ass bruise
Speaker 5: on one of her butt cheeks, and it looked like
Speaker 5: she had been held down, like somebody had literally held
Speaker 5: her arms and legs down. And her colon was purple
Speaker 5: and swollen and literally looked like it was turned inside out.
Speaker 5: And so yes to the comment earlier, they fucking boofed it.
Speaker 2: I didn't think you're actually going to go there.
Speaker 5: Yes, her her colon was so purple and swollen that
Speaker 5: they made several notes about it in the audience.
Speaker 2: Was for the gag.
Speaker 5: The gagging I don't.
Speaker 6: Know right from that.
Speaker 5: If they did so here, but that would make sense though.
Speaker 6: That would make sense because, like you said, I think,
Speaker 6: and I looked it up really quickly, the nemetale it
Speaker 6: within fifteen to thirty minutes taking an OD amount, you
Speaker 6: start to od within fifteen to thirty minutes. That is
Speaker 6: not enough time to even digest any of the amount
Speaker 6: of pills that they would give you. And again she
Speaker 6: didn't have pills, say that they were pills. You would
Speaker 6: still see leftover pills. But to get that amount of
Speaker 6: dosage in that much of your bloodstream and quickly, there
Speaker 6: would have to be a direct route to the bloodstream
Speaker 6: without a.
Speaker 5: Doubt, right, and you would die before the levels reached
Speaker 5: that far into your bloodstream with an oral overdose. Correct.
Speaker 5: So we have to think if.
Speaker 3: What I didn't know how this could put up the
Speaker 3: just so I was like, why are comments popping up?
Speaker 5: Did you want to add something to that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: No, he was just riffing off of that, he said,
Speaker 4: no boof reflex. But yeah, I mean, obviously, if things
Speaker 4: aren't adding up, and they're and they're noting all these peculiarities,
Speaker 4: where's the investigation? You know, you've got millions of fans
Speaker 4: out there and they can't organize to find out what
Speaker 4: actually happened. I mean, are we that cut off from
Speaker 4: the system at large? That's that's a real question, because
Speaker 4: it's not just hers, all the rest of these cases,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, And I mean for me when I heard
Speaker 5: about her colon, and I know it's funny because it is.
Speaker 5: But the problem is is nobody likes to talk about
Speaker 5: the bruises that she had on the backs of her legs,
Speaker 5: in her arms. Nobody's if she killed herself, how the
Speaker 5: fuck did she get those? And her colon was so
Speaker 5: bruised and purple that it was obvious that that's the
Speaker 5: entry point for this massive It was like, well, it
Speaker 5: was such an overdose that she was dead within minutes.
Speaker 5: And there's actually other parts of the autopsy report that
Speaker 5: fucking support that theory too. But go ahead, Nick, what
Speaker 5: were you going to say?
Speaker 2: I was wondering too, Listen.
Speaker 3: Just stuff could have been still stuck up there for
Speaker 3: you know, pills or whatever. But again, was the level
Speaker 3: so high that you wouldn't even absorb all of that well,
Speaker 3: like if you get to die before you even get
Speaker 3: that high again, but did it? I still wouldn't think
Speaker 3: it would be absorbed that way. I'm still thinking it
Speaker 3: was a jab.
Speaker 5: With the corner and the medical examiner, they both encreage it. Well,
Speaker 5: she would have had to have a liquid enema, and
Speaker 5: so if you've ever seen the type of yes, it
Speaker 5: was a liquid form because you want to introduce it
Speaker 5: so fast into the body that it absorbs rapidly and
Speaker 5: kills the percing almost instantly. Yeah, so what they what
Speaker 5: they the conclusion was based on the autopsy is I
Speaker 5: don't know if you've ever seen them, but there's two
Speaker 5: types of enemas. There's like a bag and a hose
Speaker 5: where like you fill a bag up and you run
Speaker 5: a hose up your ass. And then there's another type
Speaker 5: of enema where it's almost like a bulb and it
Speaker 5: has like the long hope, like a long tube on it,
Speaker 5: and you just scored it really fast and then it
Speaker 5: like flushes you and you just go about your day.
Speaker 5: They decided, based on the autopsy findings that it would
Speaker 5: have probably been one of those bold type inemas that
Speaker 5: were they literally put it in her ass, squeezed it,
Speaker 5: and she was dead almost instantly because of the overload
Speaker 5: of They put it in such a high concentration when
Speaker 5: they squirted it in there, she was probably dead within
Speaker 5: like a minute, maybe less than sixty seconds. And so
Speaker 5: the other reason they say that is because Marylyn had cyanosis,
Speaker 5: which is something that you see when someone dies in
Speaker 5: a really rapid way suffocation, drowning, massive overdose, Like if
Speaker 5: you shot up and you died like right after you
Speaker 5: shot up, you would have cyinosis. And it's basically where
Speaker 5: you turned blue from oxygen being cut off. So why
Speaker 5: would you have that if you died a slow agonizing
Speaker 5: pill overdose, because it takes a long time. It's like
Speaker 5: Lisa said, maybe even thirty minutes for you to even
Speaker 5: start overdosing on sedative drugs. And Marylyn showed signs of cygnosis,
Speaker 5: which means she died so rapidly that she literally turned blue,
Speaker 5: like if she got suffocated or drowned.
Speaker 6: It looks like hypothermia, like you does. All your fingernails
Speaker 6: from blue, your extremities from blue. Sometimes even your ears
Speaker 6: or whatever cut off, and so you start to lose
Speaker 6: blood flow to these extremities and serve because you're having
Speaker 6: pulmonary heart issues in order to circulate that oxygen to
Speaker 6: these extremities.
Speaker 5: So she had particular Yes, she did. And so it's
Speaker 5: just like I was saying before, when you die of
Speaker 5: a sedative drug overdose by oral ingestion, there are several
Speaker 5: things you can look for, vomiting pills, the digestive track,
Speaker 5: refractive crystals, and you usually don't have huge bruises all
Speaker 5: over the back of your body, and you don't have sinosis.
Speaker 5: So that with her colon showing like literal signs of
Speaker 5: something being injected.
Speaker 2: In there, trauma something like that.
Speaker 5: Yes, And I mean this is with the medical examiner,
Speaker 5: and his name was Thomas Negucci and he actually did,
Speaker 5: like John Belushi's autopsy. He He's actually got a lot
Speaker 5: of really famous people and done their autopsies. But the
Speaker 5: thing is, he was so confused by them keeping on
Speaker 5: saying that she had to have died of an overdose
Speaker 5: that he wanted to prove to everyone that there's no
Speaker 5: way she could have. So he wanted all of her
Speaker 5: organs retested, and he did the initial tests, came up
Speaker 5: with this conclusion, wanted to prove it to everyone, so
Speaker 5: he said, Okay, we're gonna retest all of her organs.
Speaker 5: And then when they went to go do that, just
Speaker 5: so happens somebody had hallowed Maryland out and her fucking
Speaker 5: organs went missing, so they couldn't even read test them.
Speaker 5: Somebody literally took all of our organs, put them in
Speaker 5: a fucking bag, and they disappeared, so they could never
Speaker 5: be retested, and they only had the original autopsy report
Speaker 5: from the medical examiner to go off of. Nobody could
Speaker 5: retest them. Nobody could fucking literally, you guys, if that
Speaker 5: doesn't reek to you of a setup, I don't know
Speaker 5: what else to tell you. I mean, why on earth
Speaker 5: would somebody's internal organs go missing overnight, and when she
Speaker 5: got to the morgue, her fucking body apparently went missing
Speaker 5: for a long amount of time, and then she turned
Speaker 5: back up and fucking I mean, they just they were
Speaker 5: trying to hide so much stuff in such a short
Speaker 5: duration of time. And then all of the original notes
Speaker 5: and stuff from the medical examiner were put in a
Speaker 5: file and they were sent to Washington in and nobody
Speaker 5: ever saw that file again, and the only thing doctor
Speaker 5: Nogucci had to go on was his original notes that
Speaker 5: he wrote down for himself from her autopsy. The files
Speaker 5: they're in Washington somewhere fucking buried because they don't want
Speaker 5: anybody to see that ship.
Speaker 4: You know, bring conspiracy. I was gonna say, it's a
Speaker 4: big brain conspiracy theorists. We should start a nationwide campaign
Speaker 4: of get to know your medical examiners, right because, I mean,
Speaker 4: it seems doable. And if we could take the bad
Speaker 4: medical examiners out and actually have people we could trust
Speaker 4: in there, the murder rate is just gonna drop dramatically
Speaker 4: right over now.
Speaker 2: Well, the club murders.
Speaker 6: Is in most of them, like corners elected, the medical
Speaker 6: examiners are not, or something like that.
Speaker 5: It depends on that can surprise me.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you don't even license to be a corner or something.
Speaker 6: I can't remember what it was. When we were looking
Speaker 6: at best FK stuff that it was very, very intriguing
Speaker 6: how some of these corners can be elected in or
Speaker 6: appointed in, not elected appointed in.
Speaker 5: Well, I will say that doctor Negucci, he's worked on
Speaker 5: many famous people and it's not that they've discredited him.
Speaker 5: They just bury him. So nobody really knows shit about it.
Speaker 5: So I mean, I'm I'm sure that you never even
Speaker 5: heard that name before, and he's worked on some of
Speaker 5: the most famous people of all time and done their autopsies.
Speaker 5: So it's not like they discredit him because he's not lying.
Speaker 5: Doctor Sarah Weck yeah, uh, he's got something to do
Speaker 5: with it too, but I can't remember. And actually Sarah
Speaker 5: Weck worked on something to do with John Beney too.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So these medical examiners, it's not like people are
Speaker 5: discrediting them, it's that they bury them in everything that
Speaker 5: they say. And you know, like with Marylyn, her fucking
Speaker 5: organs go missing. So it's not like anybody can even
Speaker 5: and go back and do their own tests and shit
Speaker 5: and come up with isn't like that the scientific theory
Speaker 5: is to test it twice. They can't even do that
Speaker 5: because the shit goes missing. So I do also want
Speaker 5: to talk about her lividity markings, which, for those who
Speaker 5: don't know, lividity markings are when your blood settles in
Speaker 5: your body after you die. So you can tell a
Speaker 5: lot by the position someone was in when they died
Speaker 5: based on the lividity markings. Because if you died on
Speaker 5: your back, all the blood will settle to the back
Speaker 5: of your body and your head and it'll be really
Speaker 5: easy to analyze that and say this person died laying
Speaker 5: face up right. But if you move a dead person
Speaker 5: a bunch of times, they'll get multiple lividity markings because
Speaker 5: the blood will start to settle. You flip them around,
Speaker 5: they'll get a secondary lividity marking. Flip them around again,
Speaker 5: they'll get what's called the tertiary lividity marking. So when
Speaker 5: the when Sergeant Clemens arrived on the scene, they said
Speaker 5: that Marilyn had not been moved at all, that that's
Speaker 5: how they found her, that's how she died, and no
Speaker 5: questions asked. This is this is how they find her,
Speaker 5: and she she's laying in what's called the soldier's position,
Speaker 5: which is face down with her arms and her legs
Speaker 5: straight down by her sides. And they say that she
Speaker 5: wasn't moved at all after she died, and that she
Speaker 5: just took a bunch of pills and just laid there
Speaker 5: with her head hanging off the bed and died. But
Speaker 5: she had not only secondary liviidity markings, she had tertiary
Speaker 5: lividity markings, which means she had been flipped three times
Speaker 5: after she died, and with the bruises that she had
Speaker 5: on her body, it would appear based on forensic evidence.
Speaker 5: This is not my opinion, that she died in a
Speaker 5: face down position being held down, which caused the bruises,
Speaker 5: and then she was flipped over onto her back face
Speaker 5: up for a considerable period of time, which caused secondary marketings.
Speaker 5: And then she was flipped over again in the face
Speaker 5: down death position and left there until the police arrived.
Speaker 5: So she was on one two, three times flipped after death.
Speaker 5: And again, I don't know a lot of dead people
Speaker 5: who get the fuck up and start flipping themselves around.
Speaker 5: But explain to me how if she committed suicide she
Speaker 5: was able to fucking as a dead corpse, flip herself
Speaker 5: around three or four times, and then you know, get
Speaker 5: in the face down soldier's position before the cops arrived.
Speaker 5: It doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: Didn't shoot herself in the back of the head.
Speaker 6: I was going to say that the face down position
Speaker 6: agrees with the enema theory.
Speaker 5: Yes it did. And it also makes sense if she
Speaker 5: died in a face down position of a sedative drug overdose,
Speaker 5: why she wouldn't have vomited and why there would be
Speaker 5: no regurgitated material anywhere near her body. If she died
Speaker 5: in a face down position with her head hanging off
Speaker 5: the bed, now something else.
Speaker 3: On her back, I would think puking would even be
Speaker 3: more of a reason for death.
Speaker 5: Well, and there there's no puke, and there's no evidence
Speaker 5: that you can actually.
Speaker 2: If you swallowed it right.
Speaker 5: And actually the medical examiner said her stomach was empty
Speaker 5: and that she hadn't even eaten that day, and that
Speaker 5: she had drank some water. But that's it, And that,
Speaker 5: in my opinion, makes me think she was highly stressed out.
Speaker 5: Because I don't know about any of you ladies out there,
Speaker 5: but if I'm in a highly stressful situation, the last
Speaker 5: thing I'm worried about doing is eating and like all day.
Speaker 5: Supposedly she was having arguments with Robert F. Kennedy, that
Speaker 5: he showed up at the house first thing in the morning,
Speaker 5: that he was slamming shit around, slamming doors, screaming. The
Speaker 5: housekeeper and the neighbors confirmed it, and it's like she
Speaker 5: hadn't even eaten that day. She was calling her friend
Speaker 5: and saying she was stressed out, like she had a
Speaker 5: lot of stuff going on, and for there not to
Speaker 5: be any vomit or any food in her stomach or
Speaker 5: anything like this, it just suggested to me like she
Speaker 5: was already stressed out, there was a lot of shit
Speaker 5: going on. She definitely didn't take pills well.
Speaker 4: To me, the lividity marks being secondary and tertiary indicates
Speaker 4: to me that the body was being moved, So she
Speaker 4: might not have even died in that house. They just
Speaker 4: placed her there afterwards.
Speaker 5: I don't know if she did die in the house,
Speaker 5: if I'm being honest with you. And this is where
Speaker 5: it starts to get really weird, because they've the housekeeper
Speaker 5: supposedly this is a story. The housekeeper finds Marilyn or no,
Speaker 5: she doesn't, okay, The housekeeper says she woke up around
Speaker 5: midnight and she saw that the light was still on
Speaker 5: in Marylyn's room, knocked on the door, tried the handle,
Speaker 5: and she couldn't get in. She thought Marilyn had locked
Speaker 5: herself in her bedroom and was having like some kind
Speaker 5: of an anxiety attack because she wouldn't answer the door,
Speaker 5: so the housekeeper supposedly called her psychiatrist to come over
Speaker 5: to the house. The psychiatrist couldn't open the door, so
Speaker 5: he went around the front of the house, busted in
Speaker 5: the window, crawled through Marylyn's bedroom window, found her dead,
Speaker 5: unlocked the bedroom door for the housekeeper to come in,
Speaker 5: and then they took four hours to call the cops,
Speaker 5: and in the meantime called Marilyn's publicist, her primary care physician,
Speaker 5: a bunch of like weird Hollywood agents, and then called
Speaker 5: the cops four hours later. Okay, so when Sergeant Clemens
Speaker 5: arrives to the scene, they've already known Marylyn's been dead
Speaker 5: for four fucking hours. And the housekeeper when he gets
Speaker 5: to the house is doing laundry and he's like, what
Speaker 5: have you guys been doing for the last four to
Speaker 5: five hours that you didn't call the cops and you
Speaker 5: couldn't inform someone that Marilyn was dead. And she was like, well,
Speaker 5: I've been doing laundry. Who the fuck are you doing
Speaker 5: laundry for when your employer is fucking dead as shit
Speaker 5: in the next room, Like, I'm pretty sure Marylyn doesn't
Speaker 5: need her whites fucking washed and cleaned ready for Sunday.
Speaker 5: She's dead, okay, So who are you doing laundry for
Speaker 5: the laundry?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Right, it's like and she hated Marylyn too. She always
Speaker 5: told everybody what a dick she was, So why in
Speaker 5: the event of her death, are you still continuing to
Speaker 5: do her lifelaundry for four hours? And then the sergeant
Speaker 5: is looking around and he says, why is the bedroom
Speaker 5: window broken? And the psychiatrist gives him the story. He's like, well,
Speaker 5: I was called to the house and the door was locked,
Speaker 5: so I had to go around the front of the
Speaker 5: house and bust open the window to get inside the house.
Speaker 5: And he was like, oh, that's weird. Why is all
Speaker 5: the glass on the outside of the house then, and
Speaker 5: not on the inside in the bedroom?
Speaker 4: That's four hours of tampering with the with the scene
Speaker 4: of the crime, you.
Speaker 5: Know, right, And think about it. If you were outside
Speaker 5: of the house and you busted the window in and
Speaker 5: then climbed through it to get to Marylyn, why is
Speaker 5: all the glass in the grass outside and not on
Speaker 5: the inside in the bedroom where the fuck it should
Speaker 5: be if you broke into the window. There's no glass
Speaker 5: in the bedroom. All the glasses on the fucking outside
Speaker 5: of the house, which is consistent with what somebody breaking
Speaker 5: the window from inside of the bedroom, So that part
Speaker 5: of the story doesn't fucking add up. And then he goes,
Speaker 5: all right, you busted in this window to get to Maryland.
Speaker 5: Did you do CPR? Did you Nope? I didn't touch
Speaker 5: the body. Nobody touched the body. You're a psychiatrist, you're
Speaker 5: a medical professional. You just busted in a window to
Speaker 5: check on Maryland, who you don't even know is dead yet.
Speaker 5: But you didn't bother to roll or over. You didn't
Speaker 5: bother to administer CPR, You didn't bother to check if
Speaker 5: she was dead. You just assumed so and fucking spent
Speaker 5: four hours sitting around the house before you call the police.
Speaker 5: It doesn't make sense. Anybody knows if you stumble upon
Speaker 5: a person that looks like they're in any type of distress.
Speaker 5: You check and see if they're breathing, and you administer CPR.
Speaker 5: Any medical professional knows that. But he's gonna bust through
Speaker 5: a window to get to her and not even bother
Speaker 5: to check her polls, didn't touch her at all, didn't
Speaker 5: do CPR nothing, she's dead, fucker, and just sat around
Speaker 5: the house for four hours calling her fucking publicist before
Speaker 5: they they informed the police. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: Somebody had to perfectly place that pill bottle over on
Speaker 4: its side next to the bed, you know, I mean
Speaker 4: that was a big job.
Speaker 5: Well, that's part of the next fucked up part of
Speaker 5: the story is Sergeant Clemens says, Okay, there's a knocked
Speaker 5: over pill bottle on the side of the bed. You're
Speaker 5: as the psychiatrist trying to tell me that she overdosed
Speaker 5: on pills. That's fine, he said, If that's true, why
Speaker 5: oh why is there no drinking glass next to the pills.
Speaker 5: So he starts looking. The sergeant starts looking around, and
Speaker 5: the psychiatrist starts looking around, and at that point, her
Speaker 5: primary care providership for whatever the fuck reason, and all
Speaker 5: three of them are looking around the bedroom, the bathroom.
Speaker 5: The rest of the house for a supposed dreaming glass
Speaker 5: that she could have used to take these pills. Not
Speaker 5: only did they not find a drinking glass, they also
Speaker 5: found out that the water had been cut off to
Speaker 5: Marylynd's house because she was in the middle of renovations,
Speaker 5: and it made it even less likely that she used
Speaker 5: water out of a tap or any type of And
Speaker 5: so if the water is cut off from Maryland's house
Speaker 5: and there's no drinking glass anywhere, there's no juice on
Speaker 5: the table, there's nothing, there's no glass anywhere. How did
Speaker 5: Marylyn swallow sixty to seventy ninbutah and nineteen to twenty
Speaker 5: chloral hydrate tap? She dry swallowed him? Apparently that was
Speaker 5: their theory.
Speaker 4: Jeez. I mean, you got all this stuff up and
Speaker 4: then you got to work backwards, you know, because at
Speaker 4: this point you're never gonna get any answers as to
Speaker 4: the death. But to get the team in place that
Speaker 4: could do that sort of thing, I mean, even though
Speaker 4: it's kind of an amateurish job, they still did a
Speaker 4: better job than most of the assassination cruise back in
Speaker 4: the nineteen sixties, who just left tons and tons of evidence.
Speaker 4: You know, at the point it did.
Speaker 5: A little bit better of a cleanup job with Maryland,
Speaker 5: but it still wasn't impeccable because the police sergeant steps
Speaker 5: away to talk to the housekeeper, asks her some questions,
Speaker 5: and when he gets back to her room, right before
Speaker 5: the press shows up and all the pictures are taken
Speaker 5: of Maryland found in the nude that was the headline,
Speaker 5: Marylyn found in the nude pill bottle knocked over, there
Speaker 5: goes a fucking water glass right next to her nightstand,
Speaker 5: So who the fuck put that there? It's in his notes.
Speaker 5: There was no drinking glass of any kind. They looked
Speaker 5: through the whole fucking house for one and couldn't find it.
Speaker 5: But right before the people show up to start taking pictures,
Speaker 5: there goes a fucking glass of water right next to
Speaker 5: the bed. So they're literally planting evidence in the face
Speaker 5: of the police officers. They don't like no fucks given
Speaker 5: kind of shit. And if she were to have take
Speaker 5: and as her autopsy report shows sixty to seventy nibutah,
Speaker 5: there wouldn't have been any pills on the night stand
Speaker 5: to be knocked over. The bottle would have been empty.
Speaker 5: She would have I mean to have the levels that
Speaker 5: she had in her body, there would have been no
Speaker 5: pills left in the bottle for this fucking whatever, this
Speaker 5: this photo op. I mean they did it literally just
Speaker 5: to make things look sensationalized, like look at these pills
Speaker 5: knocked over and there goes a water glass that wasn't
Speaker 5: there five minutes ago. And I mean it just it
Speaker 5: does not make sense at all that she would have
Speaker 5: died of a sedative drug overdose. And this guy, Sergeant
Speaker 5: Jack Clemens, has tried to speak out multiple times. You
Speaker 5: can find him on YouTube. There's a lot of videos
Speaker 5: of him talking about the crime scene. And you know,
Speaker 5: he's buried and he wasn't even asked to testify at
Speaker 5: the trial, So they they've done a great job. The
Speaker 5: housekeeper's quarters were separate from Maryland's house Toree, so they
Speaker 5: were it was like a guest cottage with a washer
Speaker 5: and dryer in it. The main house had the water
Speaker 5: cut off, but the housekeeper's uh uh, I guess it
Speaker 5: was like a guest cottage where she did laundry and
Speaker 5: shit and she lived. But also that that's an interesting
Speaker 5: thing to bring up because after the housekeeper was interviewed,
Speaker 5: she fucked off to Europe for like four or five
Speaker 5: years and wasn't able to testify or be questioned either
Speaker 5: because her story didn't make any fucking sense.
Speaker 6: And the housekeeper have enough money to fuck up.
Speaker 5: In Europe, right, Well, that's another great point, because you know,
Speaker 5: she was questioned, her story didn't make sense, and then
Speaker 5: she fucks off to Europe. And then the night that
Speaker 5: Maryland died, this guest cottage that I'm talking about, and
Speaker 5: some of Maryland's personal items were broken into and stolen.
Speaker 5: Like in the guest cottage, there was a cabinet, a
Speaker 5: locked cabinet with Marylyn's personal journals, and the night that
Speaker 5: she died it was forcibly broken into and all the
Speaker 5: journals were stolen. Why, oh why, if you're gonna commit suicide,
Speaker 5: use break into your own journal cabinet, steal all of
Speaker 5: your own journals, hide them somewhere, roll yourself around a
Speaker 5: few times after you die, clean up your vomit apparently too,
Speaker 5: as a corpse, and then you know it. Just the
Speaker 5: amount of stuff that was found at the crime scene
Speaker 5: absolutely cannot be consistent with Maryland just being a depressed
Speaker 5: asshole who wanted to kill herself. It just doesn't add up,
Speaker 5: And I don't even have to go conspiratorial to make
Speaker 5: this not add up. I'm just telling you the literal
Speaker 5: forensic evidence that makes this not add up. And I
Speaker 5: don't know if you guys are into like forensic files
Speaker 5: or any of the detective shows or anything like that,
Speaker 5: but they always say the same thing in those shows,
Speaker 5: and they say, you cannot start off an investigation with
Speaker 5: a subject in your mind and try to make evidence
Speaker 5: fit that subject because that's who you want it to be.
Speaker 5: You have to go into an investigation and let the
Speaker 5: forensic evidence tell the story and then you form your
Speaker 5: suspect list based off of that evidence. And so if
Speaker 5: we're gonna do that in the case of Maryland, suicide
Speaker 5: is already ruled off. So who do we have left
Speaker 5: that kilder because the evidence would suggest this is a homicide.
Speaker 5: So we have the CIA, Maryland's involved in all kinds
Speaker 5: of weird fucking programs. We have the Kennedys, and we
Speaker 5: also have the Mafia. Because the Mafia and the Kennedys
Speaker 5: had Maryland's phones tapped. They had that she was literally
Speaker 5: double tapped in more ways than one, I'm sure, but
Speaker 5: they were running train on Maryland. The Mafia and the
Speaker 5: Kennedys tapping her phones, following her everywhere, and they were
Speaker 5: keeping up on her fucking whereabouts and stuff that she
Speaker 5: was saying. So, uh, that is gonna be my suspect list.
Speaker 5: I don't know if you guys have your own theories
Speaker 5: on that, but I'm gonna go Kennedy's c I a mafia.
Speaker 4: Or oh, go ahead on the CIA tip. What you're
Speaker 4: saying about her journals really reminds me a lot of
Speaker 4: James Jesus Angleton's hunt for these journals of Mary pinchel Meyer, right.
Speaker 5: And he uh that with the Kennedys.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so he was he was hunting for these journals
Speaker 7: that she had basically taken from the entire early part
Speaker 7: of the nineteen sixties, and basically he lost his whole
Speaker 7: mind looking for these things.
Speaker 4: He was seeing moles everywhere. And this is why we
Speaker 4: have the Oracle Corporation today, is because they wanted to
Speaker 4: get all of the information about the OSS and CIA
Speaker 4: Adam's head onto a spreadsheet before you know, he completely
Speaker 4: lost his mind and died. But yeah, he was looking
Speaker 4: really really hard, and this went back to Watergate as
Speaker 4: well as many other things. That was the only thing
Speaker 4: stolen in Watergate was Mary pinche Meyer's journals, and so
Speaker 4: for Marilyn Monroe's journals to go missing in a locked cabinet,
Speaker 4: it seems like, and.
Speaker 5: What are the coincidence that JFK was fucking both Mary
Speaker 5: Pinchot Meyer and Maryland like he was fucking Boom and
Speaker 5: both of them ended up with stolen journals and fucking
Speaker 5: But here's the thing, because the mafia was running train
Speaker 5: on Maryland too. The Mafia was severely pissed the fuck
Speaker 5: off at the Kennedys because they got stabbed in the
Speaker 5: back by the Kennedys after they helped them get into office.
Speaker 5: So they had a fucking bone to pick with the Kennedys.
Speaker 5: And so they could have framed the Kennedys because they
Speaker 5: were so openly in a relationship. Both Bobby and John F.
Speaker 5: Kennedy were openly in a relationship with Marylyn. Everybody fucking
Speaker 5: knew about it. So it would almost make sense that
Speaker 5: the mafia would kill her and then frame the Kennedys
Speaker 5: to make it look like it was them because they
Speaker 5: hated them so much. And also, there were a lot
Speaker 5: of other mafia related deaths in and around that time,
Speaker 5: death by massive overdose via innima bulb. That was like
Speaker 5: one of their favorite fucking things to do that you
Speaker 5: know they that almost is is untraceable. You just find
Speaker 5: a dead person and there's no gunshot, no stab, no nothing,
Speaker 5: and you administer it up their ass and it's just
Speaker 5: they're dead instantly and you just go on about your date.
Speaker 5: That was like a weapon of choice, if you will,
Speaker 5: for the Mafias, so for me. And Robert Kennedy was
Speaker 5: there that morning at Marylyn's house. Her neighbors even said
Speaker 5: that they saw him and then she dies that night.
Speaker 5: Maybe they set it up to make it look like
Speaker 5: it was the Kennedys, but it really wasn't. But another
Speaker 5: thing that's weird is the CIA plays a big part
Speaker 5: to do with the cleanup because after Maryland dies, who
Speaker 5: the fuck sends the cleanup crew over there? J Edgar Hoover,
Speaker 5: Why the fuck is j Edgar Hoover getting involved in
Speaker 5: Marilyn Monroe's so called suicide, Like, if it's just a
Speaker 5: suicide and it's just dry like that, if it had
Speaker 5: nothing to do with the Kennedys or anyone else, why
Speaker 5: is j Edgar Hoover get involved? With the clean up crew.
Speaker 6: Your thoughts, Yeah, I think for sure, right, it was
Speaker 6: a matter of national security to clean up that and
Speaker 6: take the journals because of her time with the Kennedy's.
Speaker 6: That it would compromise any information that was said. Let's
Speaker 6: just let's just go with blandness, right, That it would
Speaker 6: compromise anything any kind of conversations that was said between
Speaker 6: Marylyn and the Kennedy boys. That would be why Jay
Speaker 6: Edgar who are but I mean Jaeger who plays a
Speaker 6: lot of parts in a lot of these murders out
Speaker 6: of Hollywood. And I think, not to interrupt you, Headless,
Speaker 6: but like what Tara had said in the chat, and
Speaker 6: I was going to bring that up too. And I
Speaker 6: think you've mentioned this in a previous show. She had
Speaker 6: clearance to Lookout Mountain.
Speaker 5: Oh yes, she did.
Speaker 6: Appearance to some of the highest types of places.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually ment. And we are scheduled to do
Speaker 5: this episode. I hope you're on it, Lisa and Headless YouTube,
Speaker 5: But we're gonna do Colby and I are gonna do
Speaker 5: Laurel Canyon. I think maybe next week isn't it. But
Speaker 5: the Lookout Mountain Laboratory is a big part of the
Speaker 5: Laurel Canyon scene, and only the highest of the highest,
Speaker 5: the tippity Toppers, had clearance to get into this place.
Speaker 5: So John F. Kennedy, Marilyn Monroe, somehow, fucking Frank Sinatra
Speaker 5: with his mafia ass like a lot of these guys
Speaker 5: had top secret clearance to get into this Lookout Mountain laboratory.
Speaker 5: So don't think like I said at the beginning of
Speaker 5: this episode that Marylyn didn't have a connection with some
Speaker 5: of these programs, because she definitely was involved in them.
Speaker 5: I think she was working as like a sex kitten
Speaker 5: in some type of capacity, gathering information. And then she
Speaker 5: might have not even been aware of her role in everything,
Speaker 5: like she might have not even been aware of her
Speaker 5: altra personality. But she was definitely serving a purpose. And
Speaker 5: some people say that the birthday party close to the
Speaker 5: end of her life was what did it for the
Speaker 5: Nail and the Coffin, because she was not supposed to
Speaker 5: be at JFK's birthday party. She was actually uninvited. They said,
Speaker 5: don't fucking show up, nobody wants you here, And what
Speaker 5: does she do? She shows up anyways in a see
Speaker 5: through nude dress and sings Happy Birthday, she was like,
Speaker 5: not only am I showing up, I'm gonna be the
Speaker 5: main attraction. And she literally sung Happy Birthday to the
Speaker 5: President in front of Jackie in a nude see through dress,
Speaker 5: and then she danced with Bobby and John F. Kennedy
Speaker 5: all night and all the pictures that were taken. The
Speaker 5: photographers were staying in a hotel and the CIA pounded
Speaker 5: on all their doors that night and consent scated all
Speaker 5: their cameras and all of their fucking photographs that they
Speaker 5: had taken and said, don't fucking publish anything about the
Speaker 5: Kennedys and Marilyn Monroe. And then like a couple months later,
Speaker 5: she turns up dead. But I still don't think that
Speaker 5: rules out the mafia or the CIA being in the
Speaker 5: driver's seat when it came to her death. I just
Speaker 5: I'd love to say it was the Kennedy's. I don't
Speaker 5: know if they had that type of fucking authority, you know,
Speaker 5: I think there were people working above them that got
Speaker 5: to make those calls.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of ways you could. You could
Speaker 4: go back to Peter Thiel's boyfriend that showed up at
Speaker 4: his birthday party uninvited and then he falls off of
Speaker 4: a balcony a couple of days later, so you've got
Speaker 4: that angle too. But I think, really, if you're going
Speaker 4: to get down to it, when Jaegar Hoover's in there
Speaker 4: looking for whatever you could find to clean up this,
Speaker 4: this whole situation, you could say that he's got a
Speaker 4: long history of collecting compromont on a lot of people.
Speaker 4: And you see that with you know, going after what's
Speaker 4: his name, MLK and other people, is like he has
Speaker 4: to collect the compromant. So even as a target of opportunity,
Speaker 4: you really get the idea that this is part of
Speaker 4: what the FBI does, is they collect compromising information and
Speaker 4: they have no jurisdiction. I mean there was according to
Speaker 4: everybody who you know reported on the crime, there was
Speaker 4: no crime committed. This was just a pure So there's
Speaker 4: absolutely no reason jurisdictionally for them to even be there
Speaker 4: for them to do the cleanup. It should be well,
Speaker 4: I mean that should have been on the priorities list too,
Speaker 4: Like what did the uh, you know, FBI steal from
Speaker 4: Marilyn Monroe's house? You know, where was that declassified? I
Speaker 4: guess we didn't get that declassification. Maybe that hurts too,
Speaker 4: many people today, But I mean it's all tied into
Speaker 4: the same thing. And really is there a difference from
Speaker 4: the CIA to the mob considering Operation Underworld was basically
Speaker 4: the marriage of the MOB and the CIA, I mean
Speaker 4: or OSS at the time. You know, Operation Underworld it said,
Speaker 4: we're going to let these mobsters continue their racket on
Speaker 4: these ports and we're just gonna supervise them because they're
Speaker 4: the best ones to be able to stop any kind
Speaker 4: of foreign interference. Well when did that ever stop? I
Speaker 4: don't think that Operation Underworld ever quit, right.
Speaker 5: And that's why I say that her death specifically cannot
Speaker 5: be debated at all. Was not a suicide based on
Speaker 5: forensic evidence, But who did it? That's the conspiratorial part,
Speaker 5: because I mean, sure we could say it's one of three,
Speaker 5: one of four different agencies that could have been working
Speaker 5: in fucking cahoots together to clean this up and to
Speaker 5: do it. But that is the conspiratorial part of it,
Speaker 5: because I can tell you, based on forensic evidence that
Speaker 5: she didn't kill herself, but I can't tell you who
Speaker 5: did it. And you know, they did find a phone
Speaker 5: number for the Oval office that was scribbled on a
Speaker 5: piece of paper and balled up in Marilyn's bed that
Speaker 5: was entered into evidence. They did find that. I can
Speaker 5: tell you that there were phone calls that Marilyn made
Speaker 5: that night that would also suggest that she did not
Speaker 5: have any drugs in her system, because she actually made
Speaker 5: a phone call to one of her friends, maybe fifteen
Speaker 5: minutes before the time of death, and her friend she
Speaker 5: did not have slurred speech, She was in a complete
Speaker 5: normal frame of mind. She was talking about some projects
Speaker 5: she was working on that she was really excited about
Speaker 5: the future, and said that her psychiatrist had been weaning
Speaker 5: her off her sleeping pills and asked if her friend
Speaker 5: had any and if she did, could she bring some
Speaker 5: over because she was having a hard time going to sleep.
Speaker 5: So if she had already taken sixty to seven Nimbutohl,
Speaker 5: why would she be calling her friend fifteen minutes before
Speaker 5: the time of her death in a completely normal frame
Speaker 5: of mind, without slurred speech or any indication that she
Speaker 5: had just taken seventy sleeping pills and asking her friend
Speaker 5: for more sleeping pills. It doesn't make sense at all.
Speaker 5: She also, right after that phone call, made a phone
Speaker 5: call to her hairstylist and confirmed her hair appointment for
Speaker 5: the next morning. So tell me why, fifteen minutes before
Speaker 5: you're fucking dead, you're calling your hairstylist to confirm your
Speaker 5: hair appointment for the next morning, like that would be
Speaker 5: on your fucking priority list of things to do. None
Speaker 5: of this makes sense whatsoever. And you know, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: the way that they sprawled out with their head hanging
Speaker 5: off the bed and completely nude, just barely covered with
Speaker 5: a sheet, in my opinion, is a humiliation ritual for
Speaker 5: Marylyn because she had no makeup on, her hair looked
Speaker 5: like dogshit, she was completely naked. You know, they did
Speaker 5: all this stuff to chad bruises all over her body,
Speaker 5: and that's the photo that they put as the headline.
Speaker 5: Marilyn found in the nude And for me, it's a
Speaker 5: humiliation ritual for Marylyn because no one, I don't care
Speaker 5: who you are, whether you're vain or not, wants that
Speaker 5: to be the last image that everyone sees of you,
Speaker 5: especially for a sex icon like Marylyn, and it's it's dehumanizing.
Speaker 5: And also for someone like Marilyn, who was, like I said,
Speaker 5: like a sex icon, and she was a very dramatic
Speaker 5: person and she was the life of the party, and
Speaker 5: you know she's in movies, you name it whatever. She
Speaker 5: was a avid journaler. That's why they had to break
Speaker 5: into that cabinet and steal all of her journal For
Speaker 5: someone like this, why is there no suicide note it?
Speaker 5: That doesn't make sense to me. If you take someone
Speaker 5: with the personality like Marilyn, who is literally obsessed with herself,
Speaker 5: there's no suicide note. Really, that just it just doesn't
Speaker 5: make sense to me. Whatso up? Not even like a
Speaker 5: scribble of something something iconic. I mean, you're Marilyn Monroe
Speaker 5: and you're gonna kill yourself, you don't leave a suicide note.
Speaker 5: It Just that part always bothered me. I don't care
Speaker 5: how depressed you are. At least if you're as famous
Speaker 5: as Marilyn Monroe, you might think she would have scribbled
Speaker 5: some shit down somewhere as a suicide note.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that you can let herself be found
Speaker 2: the way she was.
Speaker 5: I don't think so either. I don't think she would
Speaker 5: have wanted to be found with no makeup on, completely
Speaker 5: nude like that. I just I just I'm not buying it.
Speaker 3: Of almost like a mindful like his, this image is
Speaker 3: sex the less time you're the last image you're going
Speaker 3: to have of this woman.
Speaker 2: Now it is fucked up.
Speaker 6: Yes, that's why I think so. The fact that so
Speaker 6: this is a textbook psychology one on one, women take
Speaker 6: pills to commit suicide because women are more vain in essence, right,
Speaker 6: They don't want, you know, their head blown off and
Speaker 6: then that be the last thing you remember them. They
Speaker 6: actually want to look beautiful in their casket, even through death.
Speaker 6: They want to have that. And so if Carolin leg
Speaker 6: just say, took pills because she wanted to commit suicide,
Speaker 6: and that would be because she was vain, then she
Speaker 6: would have gotten dolled up and taken the pills and
Speaker 6: you know, even in a neglige or something like that,
Speaker 6: been found that way or so to speak. Right, The
Speaker 6: other thing is that the fact that she was face
Speaker 6: down and naked does not agree with the whole vain
Speaker 6: aspect of it, but it agrees with someone that's pissed
Speaker 6: off at her that once for her entire image and
Speaker 6: for her whole for an infinitum to be forever ruined.
Speaker 6: And to me, and you had mentioned this on a
Speaker 6: previous show, that the fact that she showed up at.
Speaker 5: The John F.
Speaker 6: Kennedy's birthday party, wearing what she wore and demanding to
Speaker 6: be you know, allowed in, and to even have the
Speaker 6: balls to even go and see means that she had
Speaker 6: that level of comfort with the Kennedys. She knew she
Speaker 6: wasn't going to be booed off stage. She knew that
Speaker 6: Kennedy wasn't going to escort her off or anything like that.
Speaker 6: She had she knew in her mind she had that
Speaker 6: way with them that she could get away with it.
Speaker 6: But the one thing that I think that doesn't ever
Speaker 6: get I guess talked about enough, but you mentioned it
Speaker 6: was what was Jacqueline thinking at this time, seeing what's happening.
Speaker 6: She was humiliated, She had to have been humiliated, if
Speaker 6: not Robert F. Kennedy's wife had to have been humiliated,
Speaker 6: and for Maryland to be found that way would have
Speaker 6: been humiliating for Marylyn. And so to me, it's all worned.
Speaker 6: She had the balls to show up because she was scorned.
Speaker 6: She was probably pissed off that whatever had happened had
Speaker 6: happened and she was going to make a scene, and
Speaker 6: a scene she did make. But then in reverse, I
Speaker 6: think that somebody had, you know, took her out in
Speaker 6: the worst way possible.
Speaker 5: I think so too, And that's why I can never
Speaker 5: say for sure who I think is responsible for it,
Speaker 5: Because if we can all agree in this podcast that
Speaker 5: it was a homicide, then the only thing left to
Speaker 5: do after that is to look at your suspect list.
Speaker 5: I think Jackie is definitely on there. I think that
Speaker 5: all the Kennedys are deaf, definitely on there. I think
Speaker 5: the Mafia is definitely on there. I think, you know,
Speaker 5: the CIA is definitely on there. And what reeks to
Speaker 5: me of of this being almost kind of methodical and
Speaker 5: planned out is like original autopsy report, missing original police report,
Speaker 5: missing official medical reports, missing internal organs, missing journals broken
Speaker 5: into and stolen, all the tapped phone calls, all those
Speaker 5: are recorded but missing. I mean, this is coming from
Speaker 5: from on high somewhere. And could it have been the Kennedy's.
Speaker 5: Uh maybe Jackie was just like one flew over the
Speaker 5: cuckoo's nest after that and was like, you gotta do
Speaker 5: fucking something or I'm gonna start talking. I don't know,
Speaker 5: but I mean it's just.
Speaker 6: To me, wasn't that So My whole thing with that
Speaker 6: is that the fact that Jackie knew of her husband
Speaker 6: being you know, sexually active in the community. Is that,
Speaker 6: and she really didn't have a problem with it, And
Speaker 6: at that point in time, most women kind of turned
Speaker 6: a blind eye, but to be that public was interesting,
Speaker 6: and she did have the ear of Lyndon B.
Speaker 3: Johnson.
Speaker 5: Lyndon B.
Speaker 6: Johnson was very Jacqueline Kennedy, and I believe so was
Speaker 6: some other higher ups, and so I wonder if maybe
Speaker 6: it was conveniently placed that way. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 6: trying to peg Jackie as the person, but she knew
Speaker 6: of the affairs that she very was well aware of it,
Speaker 6: but not not to be embarrassed in front of everyone
Speaker 6: at the party like that.
Speaker 5: I don't see it going.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 4: There's the angle too, of trying to frame the Kennedy's
Speaker 4: as being responsible for her death, because you know, she's
Speaker 4: got this nuts walled up in her bed and then
Speaker 4: you know, none of this stuff makes sense, And maybe
Speaker 4: they ordered her to show up at the birthday party
Speaker 4: wearing that dress to make it really look like maybe
Speaker 4: somebody within the Kennedy camp decided to take action. And
Speaker 4: I think that that's a little bit more plausible. But
Speaker 4: at the same time, you know, you basically asked for it.
Speaker 4: You know, the people who are ordering you around going
Speaker 4: to these parties and screwing up people's lives, is that's
Speaker 4: gonna screw up your life too. You know, there's really
Speaker 4: nothing you can get away with that you won't pay for.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I think, you know, if we're even going
Speaker 5: to talk about Lyndon Johnson and like what ended up
Speaker 5: having it happening to JFK, that it was JFK's assassination
Speaker 5: did not There was not a long period of time
Speaker 5: in between Marylyn and JFK. So the only problem I
Speaker 5: have with the Kennedy theory that they wanted him dead too,
Speaker 5: and JFK did die after Marylyn and he you know,
Speaker 5: Lyndon Johnson, if we want to go with he could
Speaker 5: have had to play a part in Maryland and he
Speaker 5: definitely played a part in what happened with JFK. He's
Speaker 5: a notorious murderer. I've actually covered him in a separate episode.
Speaker 5: He hired hitman. One of them's name was Mac something
Speaker 5: or other. I can't remember his last name, but he
Speaker 5: hired this guy. Lyndon B. Johnson hired this hit man.
Speaker 5: His name was Mac Wallace. I believe to go take
Speaker 5: out this guy who had uncovered a bunch of money
Speaker 5: laundering stuff with Lyndon Johnson. And they ruled this guy's
Speaker 5: death a suicide even though he had supposedly blasted himself
Speaker 5: in the chest five times with a shotgun and then
Speaker 5: gave him put cyanide on a washrag and covered his
Speaker 5: face with it. They still rolled it a suicide, Like
Speaker 5: how on the fucking planet do you load a shotgun
Speaker 5: and blast your own chest out five times and then
Speaker 5: go the extra mile of cyanide poisoning and they still
Speaker 5: ruled it a suicide. That's Lyndon B. Johnson. Everyone that
Speaker 5: is Lyndon B. Johnson. So, and his wife's a fucking asshole.
Speaker 5: She was fucking taking pictures with john Wayne Gacy and shit.
Speaker 5: So I mean they are all corrupt, ass fucking holes,
Speaker 5: ass fucking holes. And that's why I just you know,
Speaker 5: looking at Marylyn Stath or any of this shit. And
Speaker 5: I do mention the connection with eyes Wide shut because
Speaker 5: I think that Stanley puts clues about shit into all
Speaker 5: of his movies.
Speaker 6: I was gonna I look that up because you were
Speaker 6: talking about how there was that barbie that Helena was
Speaker 6: think so. The barbie itself was the box sugarplum hairy
Speaker 6: Barbie doll, and it was the opening scene of The Nutcracker.
Speaker 6: And the the dress that the barbie doll was wearing
Speaker 6: was a nod to the same dress that Marilyn Monroe
Speaker 6: and Jane Russell wore, or I'm sorry, the one that
Speaker 6: Marilyn Monroe wore in Gentlemen Prefer Blondes.
Speaker 5: Gentlemen Prefer Blondes, That's what it was. So it was
Speaker 5: a nod to Marilyn Monroe and the just think of
Speaker 5: the title Gentlemen Prefer Blondes. And just like I said
Speaker 5: at the beginning of this fucking episode, I think the
Speaker 5: bleached hair is a uh it's like a dog collar
Speaker 5: that you wear, and it signals that this person it
Speaker 5: has an altar or they're in some type of a program.
Speaker 5: And what really bothers me is that Maryland psychiatrist, his
Speaker 5: name was doctor Greenson, I remember, okay, and this doctor
Speaker 5: Greenson's family went on the Netflix Dock documentary and said,
Speaker 5: my father loved his patience. He would never cover anything
Speaker 5: up like this, he would never be involved in something
Speaker 5: like this. And it's like, listen, I don't give a
Speaker 5: fuck what doctor green Bean has to fucking say about
Speaker 5: this shit, because he's one hundred per All you have
Speaker 5: to do is flash a dollar amount in front of someone,
Speaker 5: and everybody has a price tag. I don't care how
Speaker 5: great your conscience is and how much you love your
Speaker 5: patience and shit like that. If you were talking about
Speaker 5: Marilyn Monroe, here, what dollars signed do I have to
Speaker 5: flash in front of you to make you go along
Speaker 5: with this story? Because thank you, By the way, I
Speaker 5: think this shit is important, and if I can get
Speaker 5: people on board with this, it's a lot easier when
Speaker 5: we're talking about things that continue to happen. This is
Speaker 5: all staged. It's all a fucking setup, and it's some
Speaker 5: of it is sloppy, and they don't even try very hard.
Speaker 5: And it took me five minutes in a Google search
Speaker 5: to find some of this stuff. But you're never going
Speaker 5: to get that in a Netflix or HBO documentary. You
Speaker 5: know you're never gonna get this shit in a mainstream documentary.
Speaker 4: Right when you put it in context with things like
Speaker 4: the Epstein happening, it starts to make sense why they
Speaker 4: would want her to show up at this guy's birthday party,
Speaker 4: because now you've got compromant on him in front of
Speaker 4: the entire world, saying, look, they're together right here at
Speaker 4: his birthday party and everything. So you know, that could
Speaker 4: be the intimidation tactic that they were using against JFK
Speaker 4: before they went the extra mile and put the extra
Speaker 4: hole in his head, you know. So that's you know,
Speaker 4: that's that's kind of the thing. You have to use
Speaker 4: these people around the guys for methods of control. And
Speaker 4: maybe she didn't want to play the game anymore and
Speaker 4: that was the problem, and that's why they had to
Speaker 4: take her out, is because you can't have people not
Speaker 4: want to play your game if your game involves, you know,
Speaker 4: the ruler of the free world.
Speaker 5: Well, and I also think, like Marilyn, it's like I
Speaker 5: kind of said earlier, she was very full of herself,
Speaker 5: and I think she was overly confident that, oh, well,
Speaker 5: you can't kill me. I'm Marilyn Monroe. And I think
Speaker 5: she did start getting a little obvious there towards the end,
Speaker 5: with her infatuation with the Kennedys, with her showing up
Speaker 5: at the birthday party, it was almost like she was flaunting,
Speaker 5: look what I can get away with. And you know,
Speaker 5: as the saying goes, she fucked around and found out
Speaker 5: which she could get away with. And you know, she
Speaker 5: had relationships with known mobsters. She had relationships with Sam
Speaker 5: g and Conna, she had relationships with Frank Sinatra. She
Speaker 5: even had a relationship with this Soviet spy named Frederick Field.
Speaker 5: So there are obvious and clearly visible sexual relationships with
Speaker 5: some of the top mob guys, the Kennedys. I mean,
Speaker 5: we're talking about this wasn't just your average actress who
Speaker 5: had like an A list friends group. We're talking high
Speaker 5: level military, high level political spheres, and Maryland's right in
Speaker 5: the middle of all of it. And she got a
Speaker 5: little bit brazen, I think, and they just you know,
Speaker 5: had to do something with her. And I think that
Speaker 5: the way that they displayed her body was completely humiliating.
Speaker 5: I think that was on purpose as fuck. And she'll
Speaker 5: forever be known as this depressed woman who killed herself
Speaker 5: and took a bunch of pills and they found her
Speaker 5: naked body in her bedroom. But if you look even
Speaker 5: to this day, there are so many cosmetic lines that
Speaker 5: are dedicated to Marylyn. People decorate their houses with pictures
Speaker 5: of Maryland. I mean, if you go to any fucking target, Walmart, wherever,
Speaker 5: there's always some type of Marilyn esque thing that you
Speaker 5: can do by to hang up in your house. And
Speaker 5: it's like, would she be as famous as she is
Speaker 5: if this is if she wouldn't have died in this way,
Speaker 5: because you know, sometimes death can make you infamous. Like
Speaker 5: there were a lot of actresses that were just as
Speaker 5: big as Marylyn around the time that she was big,
Speaker 5: but they didn't get a horrible humiliation ritual death and
Speaker 5: nobody knows about their names anymore. So is Marilyn. It's
Speaker 5: almost like I have to lean towards the spirituality aspect
Speaker 5: of this and say, is this another type of twenty
Speaker 5: seven club Faustian bargain? You want to be famous, will
Speaker 5: make you famous, Everyone will know you for the rest
Speaker 5: of forever and throughout time and eternity. And maybe she
Speaker 5: didn't know what that meant when she signed up for that,
Speaker 5: but I don't know. I mean, I find there are
Speaker 5: so many layers to this and she could easily be
Speaker 5: one of those Faustian bargains that you know, she became
Speaker 5: famous in death because of her death.
Speaker 4: Well, I wanted to bring up the angle of pop art.
Speaker 4: So one of the most famous portraits of Maryland was
Speaker 4: done by the pop artists. Let me see here everybody
Speaker 4: knows his name I forgot, but you've got the different
Speaker 4: panels showing the different colors on Marylynd's face that were,
Speaker 4: you know, originally photographs that they colored in, and it
Speaker 4: was seen as like something so iconic from that period
Speaker 4: because of the fact that you know, this is like
Speaker 4: who all the women aspire to be and all the
Speaker 4: men aspire to be with. And there's something really sort
Speaker 4: of dangerous when you have that type of mainstreaming of
Speaker 4: a certain person as the face of all of that culture.
Speaker 4: I mean, especially when you've got you know, people like
Speaker 4: Taylor Swift today sort of taking on that role of
Speaker 4: being like this, you know, blonde pop icon and.
Speaker 5: Really Madonna too, the blonde herself.
Speaker 4: Right, the less details and information you get about these faces,
Speaker 4: you know, just faces with different colors on them, faces
Speaker 4: staring back at you, faces having some sort of value
Speaker 4: beyond what you see. Keeping them on the shallow end
Speaker 4: is one of the most important tasks for any handler
Speaker 4: or publicist for these people, because as soon as they
Speaker 4: start getting into deeper waters, that's when you start to
Speaker 4: see the problems start to emerge because we don't have
Speaker 4: a lot of consistency when it comes between our pop
Speaker 4: culture and our values and ideals. There's not a lot
Speaker 4: of crossover there. So I think for all of the
Speaker 4: Satanism that's coming out around these pop stars now, I
Speaker 4: think that's just sort of like a resurgence of keeping
Speaker 4: people on the surface, because really, who wants to hang
Speaker 4: out around satanist So I've never really met anybody who
Speaker 4: wants to be close to people who openly profess their
Speaker 4: love for it, you know, evil, you know.
Speaker 5: Right well, and you know it's It's like, I think
Speaker 5: Marilyn is an archetype that they keep recreating through different people.
Speaker 5: And I think it's a it's a perpetual pattern. Like
Speaker 5: you said, it's Marilyn and then it's you know whoever else,
Speaker 5: Then it's Madonna, then it's Britney, then it's Taylor, then
Speaker 5: it's and it's always like a Lady Gaga, And it's
Speaker 5: like an archetype of this person, and you know, ritualistically speaking,
Speaker 5: and we could get into pop culture with this too.
Speaker 5: Elton John wrote a song about Marilyn Candle in the
Speaker 5: wind right. Everybody loves this song, but he changed the
Speaker 5: words and he performed it at Princess Diana's funeral, and
Speaker 5: she was also killed in August, very ritualistically, so we
Speaker 5: have another August connection and Elton John immortalizing both of
Speaker 5: them with the same song, just different lyrics.
Speaker 6: And when Elton John did that, I thought that was
Speaker 6: a nod to tell everyone that Marilyn was murdered just.
Speaker 5: And yeah, and I think a program multiple as well.
Speaker 5: I think that he knew a bunch of shit that
Speaker 5: he wasn't really going to ever let up on and
Speaker 5: you know, to go along with the eights as well.
Speaker 5: She was murdered on eight for sixty two and then
Speaker 5: she was her funeral was eight eight sixty two, so
Speaker 5: they completed the ritual by burying her on eight eight eight.
Speaker 5: And you know, it's like I said, Diana died in
Speaker 5: August two in the nineties. There's just you know, her
Speaker 5: fucking body went missing for ten hours the day of
Speaker 5: the funeral. Why why? I just you know, she lives.
Speaker 5: She lives in Laurel Canyon on Helen A Drive. And
Speaker 5: there's just a lot of stuff with this that if
Speaker 5: you look at it, from a conspiratorial angle, there's a
Speaker 5: ton of information you can gather if you look at
Speaker 5: it just backs you'res. From the forensic angle, there's a
Speaker 5: ton of information you can gather, and then you mix
Speaker 5: those two things together, and to me, this is one
Speaker 5: of the interesting, most interesting cases of all time that
Speaker 5: I feel like goes completely unnoticed because you watch a
Speaker 5: Netflix documentary and you think you fucking know everything about it.
Speaker 5: And I don't think it's a coincidence that she ushered
Speaker 5: in the blood diamonds. You know, diamonds are a girl's
Speaker 5: best friend, or diamonds are forever whatever the fuck? She said. Yeah, right, well,
Speaker 5: I mean literally, they.
Speaker 4: Don't have diamonds in Israel, but there Israel's number one
Speaker 4: expert is.
Speaker 5: The diamonds thanks to Marilyn.
Speaker 2: Right right.
Speaker 5: But you know, there are so many things too that
Speaker 5: I don't even know if you guys want to get into.
Speaker 5: But there were conversations that were taped between Marilyn and
Speaker 5: her psychiatrists that later went missing, but they were listened
Speaker 5: to by police officers who later kind of gave their
Speaker 5: opinion on them. And in her psychiatrist's sessions, she would
Speaker 5: talk about her relationships with the Kennedys, and she would
Speaker 5: also talk about how basically she thought she was too
Speaker 5: smart for anything to ever happen to her, that she
Speaker 5: was very much so looking forward to her future that
Speaker 5: she thought she had everything going for her. She had
Speaker 5: a bunch of projects she was working on, and her
Speaker 5: psychiatrists wrote in the notes that it would be highly
Speaker 5: unlikely for someone in Marylyn's mental state to commit suicide
Speaker 5: because she didn't have any of the like red flags
Speaker 5: that would say this person is depressed and wants to
Speaker 5: commit suicide. It was the exact opposite. Actually, she was
Speaker 5: a very confident person and the only prescription that she
Speaker 5: was on was some sleeping pills that she was actually
Speaker 5: getting weaned off of. So for her to have out
Speaker 5: of nowhere had this type of an overdose with like
Speaker 5: I said, the amount that was found in her bloodstream
Speaker 5: didn't even match the prescription that she had access to.
Speaker 5: It just you know, it's not you're not gonna sell
Speaker 5: it to me that this was a sedative drug overdose.
Speaker 5: You're not gonna sell it to me.
Speaker 4: Well, I think the Mob angle is very important, especially
Speaker 4: considering how Mob connected. All the movie studios were, all
Speaker 4: the recording industry. Everything else out in LA at that
Speaker 4: time was basically controlled by the mob. So it's generally
Speaker 4: been that way. Is that the entertainment industry is kind
Speaker 4: of like the slush fund for mobsters because they need
Speaker 4: to wash a lot of money, and a good way
Speaker 4: to do that is through the movie industry because they
Speaker 4: need a massive amount of funding, and whether the movie
Speaker 4: windsor loses, you're still going to wash that money in
Speaker 4: the in the public, you know, uh, viewing of these movies.
Speaker 4: So having that is sort of a basis for money
Speaker 4: laundering is very important when it comes to figures like
Speaker 4: Marilyn Monroe and you know icons or you know, archetypes
Speaker 4: like her. Ever since, because we are still being influenced
Speaker 4: by the mob, I think it's changed focus or changed
Speaker 4: form a lot, and now we're looking at the mob
Speaker 4: being all these NGOs, you know, And if you think
Speaker 4: about it, the Mob's always sort of been an ngo.
Speaker 4: You You've always got the dark side of the state
Speaker 4: that that you know, engages in human trafficking, drug trafficking,
Speaker 4: and you know, all the rest of that stuff. But
Speaker 4: the only way to control it is to be a
Speaker 4: part of it. And so everyone has done that, and
Speaker 4: now we're seeing all these non governmental organizations smuggling people
Speaker 4: across the border. That's just the same old mob tactics.
Speaker 4: They're just figuring out different ways to launder money.
Speaker 5: One hundred and you know, I do think that they
Speaker 5: continue to do this type of shit with modern day celebrities.
Speaker 5: I don't think that it's changed at all. I think
Speaker 5: they might be a little bit more secretive about it.
Speaker 5: But I think a lot of like I said in
Speaker 5: the Program to Kill episodes, I think a lot of
Speaker 5: serial killers, celebrities, politicians. I think they're all actors, and
Speaker 5: they're all playing multiple roles, and I think they're interchangeable
Speaker 5: even sometimes. And Marilynd's an actress, she's playing multiple roles.
Speaker 5: I think that, you know, a lot of the shit
Speaker 5: that we see, even with Paulaitians, they're all fucking actors.
Speaker 5: And I think it starts with them as as children
Speaker 5: if they can get them that young. Because it's like
Speaker 5: I said, they found Marylyn in an orphanage and she's
Speaker 5: probably an SRA times ten. You know, mom wasn't looking
Speaker 5: out for her, Dad was out of the picture, and
Speaker 5: they just they probably sra this woman into oblivion and
Speaker 5: then they replaced her with the Marilyn Monroe. But I
Speaker 5: also think if we're getting back to pop culture, Marilyn
Speaker 5: Manson said that he got his name, you know, as
Speaker 5: inspiration from Maryland. And look at this fucking guy and
Speaker 5: he's best friends with one of the what, in my opinion,
Speaker 5: CIA serial killers, Damian Eccles, Okay westminsstere type shit. He
Speaker 5: also said they're gonna blame me for Columbine. So I
Speaker 5: don't know, pop culture wise, again, like I said, yeah,
Speaker 5: Marylyn had a shitty fucking innima death, but she is
Speaker 5: literally like an archetype now, she's like a grand high
Speaker 5: priestess that gets worshiped in like many different ways. I mean,
Speaker 5: I don't know what you guys think about that, but
Speaker 5: that's just my opinion. Obviously, what better symbol.
Speaker 4: For population control? You know, once you reach the top,
Speaker 4: it's time to take yourself out. You know that whole
Speaker 4: idea of you know, escaping your problems through you know
Speaker 4: the S word. I don't know. We're on YouTube, so
Speaker 4: you gotta be careful. But escaping your problems through that is,
Speaker 4: you know, oftentimes the best way for celebrities and all
Speaker 4: these politicians to you know, clock out and having that
Speaker 4: as your symbol for success or your archetype of success.
Speaker 4: Especially for a lot of young impressionable girls who are
Speaker 4: playing with Barbie dolls that have her face on it,
Speaker 4: It's going to start to take a toll and you're
Speaker 4: going to see a lot of that impacting young people
Speaker 4: in that negative way. And what better example than Marilyn
Speaker 4: Manson who has always been kind of like this poster
Speaker 4: child of you know self self offering uh sort of capitalism.
Speaker 4: You know, he's playing off of the insecurities of these
Speaker 4: young kids. He's not giving them a vision of hope.
Speaker 4: He's not giving them a vision, a positive vision of
Speaker 4: the future. I mean, when when's the last time pop
Speaker 4: music has ever given a positive vision of the future.
Speaker 4: I like to look at pop music nowadays and all
Speaker 4: of all of their descriptions of love sound more like
Speaker 4: a mental illness, you know. I mean, yeah, where's the
Speaker 4: where's the positivity anywhere? And they have all the bubblegum
Speaker 4: colors and stuff, but they don't really have any of
Speaker 4: that positivity behind it. And it's it's really hard not
Speaker 4: to see that once you start to listen to it
Speaker 4: a little.
Speaker 5: Bit, especially like with the Gaga, Jesus Christ. She literally
Speaker 5: has a song called Judas and she says she's in
Speaker 5: love with Judas. I don't know why nobody brings that
Speaker 5: song up more often, she literally and then she did
Speaker 5: an interview with it and she's like, I'm struggling within myself,
Speaker 5: like my womininity, like I'm attracted to Judas. I find
Speaker 5: it sexual and you know, it's just weirdness like that.
Speaker 5: And actually Anton Levey has a dedication in his Satanic
Speaker 5: Bible too, Marilyn Monroe, Jane Mansfield and uh, actress by
Speaker 5: the name of Tuesday Weld, which is somebody that I
Speaker 5: talk a lot about with Sean McCann because she's also
Speaker 5: a witch, a known witch and you admitted witch. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so think about those three women that I just mentioned Tuesday.
Speaker 5: Tuesday's got some fucked up shit going on. She's not
Speaker 5: dead though, Jane Mansfield and Maryland look what the fuck
Speaker 5: they got And they're all mentioned in Anton Leavey's Satanic Bible.
Speaker 5: So I mean, you know, I don't know, there's definitely
Speaker 5: something more at play than what meets the eye. That's
Speaker 5: pretty much my entire presentation. And you guys, can you know,
Speaker 5: ask any questions or anything like that. It's a lot
Speaker 5: of information to take in at once.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 5: But if you leave this podcast, if you're actually paying
Speaker 5: attention to it, and you listen to it from start
Speaker 5: to finish, and you still think Maryland took a bunch
Speaker 5: of pills and killed herself, I don't know what the
Speaker 5: fuck to tell you. You should listen to Joe Rogan
Speaker 5: with the rest of the retards, because this is not
Speaker 5: the podcast for you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so unfortunate because we sort of downplay facts
Speaker 4: that are inconvenient and we go along with the mainstream narrative.
Speaker 4: I think that's one of the main pushes with pop
Speaker 4: icons like Marilyn Manson or Marilyn Monroe, because you're just
Speaker 4: not supposed to think, right Like, these are people who
Speaker 4: they put in front of you and say, isn't this
Speaker 4: what you want? Don't think about it, you know, and
Speaker 4: you get those every generation, get the boy bands and
Speaker 4: the pop princesses. Here's what we're offering. This is what
Speaker 4: you want, and you're not supposed to think. You're not
Speaker 4: supposed to apply your own values to it. You're just
Speaker 4: supposed to see and want, you know, And that goes
Speaker 4: back into the whole Barbie scenario too. You you did
Speaker 4: a couple of shows on Barbie that were really good
Speaker 4: talking about how this is like the introduction of a
Speaker 4: prostitute icon into American culture. That's just sort of just
Speaker 4: skin deep. You're not supposed to think about it. It's
Speaker 4: just supposed to be right there, and that's supposed to
Speaker 4: be who you want to be, you know, not.
Speaker 5: Right because with the Barbie, think about what little girls
Speaker 5: had before Barbie's. They had babies, and you it was
Speaker 5: a symbol of motherhood and where you were headed in life.
Speaker 5: Because when you're a little girl, you have a baby
Speaker 5: and you put in a fucking stroller and you feed
Speaker 5: it fucking carrots or whatever you do. You change its stiper,
Speaker 5: and that's what you do with it. You put the
Speaker 5: onesie on it. I had lots of babies when I
Speaker 5: was a little girl, and all of a sudden, it
Speaker 5: was like Barbie dolls that had tits and ass and
Speaker 5: you put little mini skirts on them. And they have
Speaker 5: boyfriends and then you act out weird sexual scenes with
Speaker 5: your friends and your Barbies. I know, the fuck I did.
Speaker 5: I'd be like, oh, this one's my boyfriend, and you know,
Speaker 5: you're you know, you're gonna stay home and watch the kids,
Speaker 5: and me and my boyfriend are gonna go out and
Speaker 5: we're gonna go party. And that's what Barbie was. It
Speaker 5: was like a party girl, mini skirts. And this was
Speaker 5: the introduction. And one of the first Barbies that they
Speaker 5: modeled off of was a prostitute doll. Anybody can google this.
Speaker 5: It was based and all they did to make this
Speaker 5: a Barbie and not a prostitute doll was they removed
Speaker 5: the nipples and the puss lips off of this doll.
Speaker 5: It was literally the same doll. This literal. Somebody fucking
Speaker 5: google it. It was called something or other. It was
Speaker 5: a prostitute doll that you could get in like sex shops,
Speaker 5: and it had red hair and it had like a
Speaker 5: little short dress on. And all they did when they
Speaker 5: made it a Barbie doll was take the puss and
Speaker 5: the nips off of it and they sold it to
Speaker 5: children and parents at first when they saw this doll,
Speaker 5: were like, what the fuck are you doing? And they
Speaker 5: pushed it so hard to go ahead. Lily, it was
Speaker 5: built Lily. Yeah.
Speaker 6: It was a German risque gad gift for men that
Speaker 6: was based on a cartoon character from the West German
Speaker 6: newspaper build a tomb No the tune, I don't speak German.
Speaker 6: Sorry that one sacon.
Speaker 5: See look at that? People think I make this ship up.
Speaker 5: It was literally a fucking sex doll that they took
Speaker 5: the nips off of and made into a child's toy. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so they get rid of the babies. Why would you
Speaker 5: want to do that? Motherhood is gross. Here's the sex
Speaker 5: doll for you to dress up and act out weird
Speaker 5: sexual scenes with. And uh, they obviously make a Maryland one,
Speaker 5: or at least they pay homage to Maryland with Barbie.
Speaker 4: And uh, every new generation they've got another Maryland doll
Speaker 4: that they're selling to because you know these are.
Speaker 5: What are they the collector's Barbies?
Speaker 4: Yeah, collector's addition, you know, four hundred dollars Maryland Barbie
Speaker 4: doll every ten years.
Speaker 5: And what about what about fucking the high Witch herself?
Speaker 5: Kim Kay. She shows up to one of the awards
Speaker 5: shows and one of Maryland's dress, the dress actually the
Speaker 5: nude see through dress. They say that she didn't have
Speaker 5: to alter it at all, that she just fit right
Speaker 5: into it. Dude, bet her ask busted through that dress
Speaker 5: the second she put it on. There was definitely alterations
Speaker 5: that were made to get her into that dress. You're
Speaker 5: not tell and meet Kim Kaye just stepped into Maryland's
Speaker 5: dress and was able to wear it. No fucking way, dude,
Speaker 5: that's what. Don't you think it was significant that she
Speaker 5: wore it? Though?
Speaker 2: Yeah? For sure.
Speaker 4: It seems like to me, the younger the girl is,
Speaker 4: the more she treats the barbie doll like a baby doll.
Speaker 4: And then when she gets older, the barbie doll takes
Speaker 4: on a whole different personality and it starts to reflect
Speaker 4: what the Barbie doll is meant to be reflecting. But
Speaker 4: you've got that sort of stage of development in between
Speaker 4: where it's like, well, these little, tiny girls want to
Speaker 4: treat this doll like it's a baby. But then once
Speaker 4: they get older, it's like, well, I've already established this relationship,
Speaker 4: but now it has to change because you know, little
Speaker 4: girls are changing too, and it's like skipping all the
Speaker 4: steps that you know young people should be going through
Speaker 4: and just right here here's your prostitute, your prostitute.
Speaker 5: Now you know I said that too. I was like,
Speaker 5: it's just as weird to me, how it went from
Speaker 5: from babies to Barbie's and I think Marylynd definitely played
Speaker 5: she was. They always said how Maryland was curvy. I
Speaker 5: know a lot of people talk about how Marylyn was curvy.
Speaker 5: The woman was a size six. And on my best day,
Speaker 5: I have not worn a size six. Maybe in high school.
Speaker 5: Maybe if we go back to fucking junior year, I
Speaker 5: could wear a size six. But tell me and what
Speaker 5: universe a size six is considered to be curvy because
Speaker 5: they use it now. It's like the fat movement thing,
Speaker 5: fat positive thing like. And don't get me wrong, I'm
Speaker 5: not a fat shamer. I don't fucking care what size
Speaker 5: you are, but I'm not on board with pushing the
Speaker 5: fat narrative onto people, I think, and the ozimpic thing
Speaker 5: is just as bad. But Maryland and curvy, she just
Speaker 5: wasn't inarexic like the rest of the women that were
Speaker 5: famous back then. They were zero's and she was a six.
Speaker 5: Does it make her curvy though she was still healthy?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: I mean even that, it seems like they use that
Speaker 4: as like a foot in the door, you know, because
Speaker 4: even the rest of the girls back then that were
Speaker 4: you know, on par or maybe a little bit below Maryland.
Speaker 4: They weren't necessarily anorexic, that whole anorexic. She came in
Speaker 4: like in the late seventies, early eighties, and it just
Speaker 4: sort of stuck around as sort of like this, But
Speaker 4: we're the vision we're given of ourselves is always this
Speaker 4: fun house mirror that doesn't reflect anything about where we
Speaker 4: should be going, or what we should be doing, or
Speaker 4: what we'd like to be in our own lives. It
Speaker 4: always has to do with these sort of bizarre visions
Speaker 4: of ourselves given to us by these people who live
Speaker 4: on either side of the coasts that have no relationship
Speaker 4: to the lives that we really wanted to be living.
Speaker 4: You know, I mean, why are homosexual men the main
Speaker 4: fashion designers for women? Like that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 5: They're not even.
Speaker 4: Interested in women. You kind of see the skewing of
Speaker 4: of perceptions around the entire fashion industry and all this
Speaker 4: pop culture stuff, because it's like the people who want
Speaker 4: to destroy maybe like they don't like their mothers, for instance,
Speaker 4: with a lot of homosexual men, that's one of the
Speaker 4: things that they really don't like their mothers, and so
Speaker 4: they get into the fashion modeling industry. So that they
Speaker 4: can put women in clothes that just don't feel good.
Speaker 4: It's like torture, you know. I mean, look at these
Speaker 4: stiletto heels and stuff. They're just torturing women. People don't
Speaker 4: buy the stuff. It's torture, you know. Let's get away
Speaker 4: from that and find our own values. One of the
Speaker 4: problems is all of these images we get, our mirror
Speaker 4: neurons in our brain start to identify that with ourselves,
Speaker 4: and instead of having a really good picture of what
Speaker 4: we want to do with our lives and where we
Speaker 4: want to go, we end up mirroring the outside forces
Speaker 4: that shape culture. And they really are outside forces. I
Speaker 4: don't think anybody really identifies with the CIA, except for
Speaker 4: a very very small group of people in Langley. You know,
Speaker 4: their entire lives as the CIA, and they're the ones
Speaker 4: who are shaping culture. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's why they use Maryland as an
Speaker 5: archetype to push like you should look like this, you
Speaker 5: should be like this. You should But I mean, if
Speaker 5: it were up to me, I would wear soft pants
Speaker 5: every fucking day. Actually, I got soft pants on right now.
Speaker 5: I live in soft pants. I don't want to wear
Speaker 5: this shit. I don't want to look like Maryland. I
Speaker 5: don't want to end up like Maryland, so fuck that.
Speaker 5: But thank you guys for having me though. I think,
Speaker 5: you know, this is a cool episode to kind of
Speaker 5: break into some people's reality chamber on you know, maybe
Speaker 5: stuff isn't always exactly as it seems, even though you've
Speaker 5: watched a Netflix documentary and you think you fucking know everything,
Speaker 5: maybe just maybe you don't. But thanks again for having
Speaker 5: me on, guys.
Speaker 2: Of course, no, thank you, thank you. That was fun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that was really interesting.
Speaker 5: That was so important.
Speaker 3: Really should we wrap it up? Who mek her?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 6: Just I mean, I'm glad that you brought up all
Speaker 6: of these points to ponder these points of contention. I mean,
Speaker 6: because they are big gaping holes into the official narrative
Speaker 6: that has existed for so long. And again, so many
Speaker 6: things about Marilyn is completely opposite of what the narrative
Speaker 6: has been pushed. And if, like you said, if you
Speaker 6: just took the time to look up stuff, it's there.
Speaker 6: It's all there, and yet no one has I guess,
Speaker 6: been bothered to question it or to even be bothered
Speaker 6: to look for it. So I'm very grateful that you
Speaker 6: are you know, bringing these these topics to light.
Speaker 5: So thank you. Yeah, I appreciate, and I would say
Speaker 5: if anyone is interested, I know that we live in
Speaker 5: a generation that doesn't read books, but if you're interested,
Speaker 5: the book that I read where I got a lot
Speaker 5: of the information from, is called Dead Wrong. It's actually
Speaker 5: written by a comedian, and like most comedians, like Sam Tripley,
Speaker 5: even they're conspiracy theorists at heart. Even Tom Segura I
Speaker 5: think is secretly a conspiracy theorist. But the book, again
Speaker 5: is called Dead Wrong. The author is Richard Pelzer, and
Speaker 5: he talks about Marilyn, Linda B. Johnson, JFK, Martin, Luther
Speaker 5: King Junior. I mean, it's just a plethora of awesome
Speaker 5: conspiracy stuff and he goes based on forensics only. So
Speaker 5: if you're interested in that, you can check out that book.
Speaker 5: But again, thanks so much for having me. Guys.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And I was just thinking as you were saying
Speaker 4: that maybe you could have a march line where you
Speaker 4: take all the inconvenient facts about Marilyn Manson or Marilyn
Speaker 4: Monroe's death and you list them like on the sides
Speaker 4: of her portrait. You know, no pills were found in
Speaker 4: her stomach, all the rest of these things. You know,
Speaker 4: the window was broken from the outside or from the
Speaker 4: inside out, all of these things, and you put that
Speaker 4: on the shirt with Marilyn Monroe's face on it. So
Speaker 4: you're taking advantage of the fact that she is a
Speaker 4: you know, archetype and showing all the people, Hey, look,
Speaker 4: these are inconvenient facts. You need to take that alongside
Speaker 4: of this image that you get from the rest of
Speaker 4: the media.
Speaker 5: That would actually be a good idea. I did in
Speaker 5: my merch store, which I never plug, but I made
Speaker 5: a Marilyn hoodie and it had Marilyn with a magnifying
Speaker 5: glass and a monarch butterfly over her head. And I
Speaker 5: try to come up with shit that's like. If you
Speaker 5: saw it, you'd be like, what's that about? And I'd
Speaker 5: be like, wow, let me fucking tell you what that's about.
Speaker 5: But no, Yeah, that's a good idea. I like that.
Speaker 5: I'll put it on the back of the hoodie. No
Speaker 5: pills cyanosis.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 5: I like that, So rolland asshole.
Speaker 4: I just want to plug one more time. If you
Speaker 4: guys have any esoteric stories or you have anything that
Speaker 4: has happened to you, weird or bizarre magical experiences too.
Speaker 4: You can email me at the Headless Giant Podcast at
Speaker 4: gmail dot com and we'll read those stories on the air.
Speaker 4: So thank you for having me. Nick, thank you for coming.
Speaker 3: Julia, thank you for coming on. And Juliet, thank you
Speaker 3: again very much for coming on. Can you please plug
Speaker 3: all your stuff so everybody can find me? You have
Speaker 3: your amusing work.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm wherever you listen to podcasts, not YouTube. Patreon
Speaker 5: for bonus episodes and early access to all the shows
Speaker 5: that I put out, and you can just look for
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Speaker 2: Awesome.
Speaker 3: Thank you very much, and thank you everybody in the
Speaker 3: chat for showing up and adding to the comments. That
Speaker 3: was awesome. It was fun, some good stuff in there.
Speaker 3: That's why I go live. And that is the end
Speaker 3: of another Recult Rejects and until the next one, everybody
Speaker 3: be well.