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<v Speaker 1>We all strive for a picture perfect relationship, but we

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<v Speaker 1>all know perfect is hard to achieve. Melanie and Bill McGuire,

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<v Speaker 1>like us, all had their issues, issues that would find

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<v Speaker 1>one spouse washed ashore and the other a prime suspect, and,

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<v Speaker 1>as one investigator would say, they're either guilty or the

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<v Speaker 1>most unlucky person alive. Good morning. The following podcast and

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<v Speaker 1>the graphic content materials for a mature audience listener lessness.

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<v Speaker 2>As Hey, I'm Nicole and I'm Ben, and you are

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<v Speaker 2>listening to.

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<v Speaker 1>Wake It in Grim, a true crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that sound.

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<v Speaker 1>You sure do.

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<v Speaker 2>Hopefully you guys have a drink sitting sitting down with us.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have to be alcoholic, could be water. It

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<v Speaker 2>could be water, could be tea, could be whatever you want, coffee,

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<v Speaker 2>just something you enjoy. Hopefully you're slipping.

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<v Speaker 1>It with us. I finished my drink already because it

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<v Speaker 1>was so delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you inhaled that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so good. Oh my gosh. Okay, So I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like we've been really busy, working hard.

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<v Speaker 2>We have. We have been. Something that kept us busy

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<v Speaker 2>last week was running an epic trivia game over on Patreons.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, it was like an afternoon of five crazy questions,

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<v Speaker 2>which everyone killed it on. By the way, good job

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<v Speaker 2>to you guys over on Patreon. You answered it so

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<v Speaker 2>fast it was ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, people were Yeah, it was really well done. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they seem like they're enjoying it too.

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<v Speaker 2>They definitely did. And the nice thing was it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>like here's questions answer it. We dropped it like throughout

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<v Speaker 2>the afternoon, random times and stuff, so it worked out

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good.

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<v Speaker 1>But then some people were like, excuse me, can we

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<v Speaker 1>know what time?

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<v Speaker 2>And this is yes. We also did have some people

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<v Speaker 2>being like, but We're on the other side of the

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<v Speaker 2>world and I'm going to be asleep it's like two

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's very hard.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to rocket some other times too to make

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<v Speaker 2>it equal for everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry, Oh I'll have to stay up late or something.

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<v Speaker 1>One day.

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<v Speaker 2>We will. We'll paul it all night or something, just

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<v Speaker 2>so we can give you guys that equal opportunity. So

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<v Speaker 2>do not fret, my friends. But I did want to

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<v Speaker 2>send a big thank you to Jamie w Over on

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<v Speaker 2>Patreon who rocked it and one the giveaway, So we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be sending here some swag and an exclusive

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<v Speaker 2>T shirt with the design you can only get from

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<v Speaker 2>winning a contest with us.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's the first one to get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is she's the first one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And Sarah Granby and Michelle Cochran over there, they also

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<v Speaker 2>were runners up on it, so they're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>it cool something.

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<v Speaker 1>Too, so well done. That's so cool, that's so fun

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<v Speaker 1>and awesome. We need more fun in this world.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like everything around us is just always so depressing.

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<v Speaker 1>But speaking have fun. We've been mountain biking a bit more.

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<v Speaker 1>We have I want a mountain bike even more. But

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, oh man, what I was about to say

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<v Speaker 1>is bad. Well I was going to say training my ass,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's really bad. Wow, training my butt not to

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<v Speaker 1>be so sore. It hurts so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>From the seat, from the mountain biking.

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<v Speaker 1>From the mountain biking seat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, not from adult endeavors at your tiny.

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<v Speaker 1>Home, not from inappropriate things.

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<v Speaker 2>You know you're married when your butt hurts from mountain

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<v Speaker 2>biking and not sex.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 2>Back on track to Patreon though, and not your body

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<v Speaker 2>getting bruiseddylicious. We do have some patrons to thank for

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<v Speaker 2>signing up this past week we.

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<v Speaker 1>Do very exciting Who do we got.

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<v Speaker 2>We have Kayla Nixon, We have Angie, Katie b and

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<v Speaker 2>Kayla fram who all joined the epic lineup of patrons

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<v Speaker 2>over there, they can get that exclusive content the play

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<v Speaker 2>Trivia Play Trivia of course, the exclusive episode of the

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<v Speaker 2>last day of every month. So yeah, if you want

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<v Speaker 2>to join them link in the description of this podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thanks so much, guys. We really appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a good time over there.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we have not merch. We have items arriving,

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<v Speaker 1>we do and what are they arriving for.

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<v Speaker 2>The Wicked books?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's going to be an epic giveaway. And the

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<v Speaker 1>things that are arriving, Like I was almost going to

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<v Speaker 1>just drop, but one of them is because it's so

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<v Speaker 1>cool and I kind of want to order myself one.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think what we should do is once the

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<v Speaker 2>contest starts, we should drop what is included in the box?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think, Oh, keep it a secret.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I think we should because the box is like

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<v Speaker 1>very cool and you've done very well putting it together,

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<v Speaker 1>and like everything that's arriving, I'm like, can I have that?

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<v Speaker 2>There are some epic things going in it. So if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't know this Wicked Box giveaway, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be doing a trivia sort of thing. That's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>why we're warming up this trivia right, So it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be kind of a trivia kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>treasure hunt sort of situation, dropping hints over on this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>on our social media on where you can go for

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<v Speaker 2>your next clue to find everything, the next hint, the

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<v Speaker 2>next step, and the person who gets down the rabbit

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<v Speaker 2>hole in the first to arrive at the destination and

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<v Speaker 2>figure and solve it all will win the Wicked Box,

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<v Speaker 2>only one to give away, so my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's it's honestly like, put some effort in because

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<v Speaker 1>it's very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>It's gonna be awesome, very cool. But don't jump the

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<v Speaker 2>gun just yet because we haven't started, so.

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<v Speaker 1>We will let you get Yeah, we're still waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of items too, so but the ones that

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<v Speaker 1>are coming in, I'm just like, oh my gosh, this

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm looking forward to to seeing someone's reaction when

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<v Speaker 2>they win this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goshpe Yeah, because I mean, contents are pretty cool,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're not always like the winnings are just sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>meh or whatever. But this is like get excited.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hand picked cool stuff by us, and we're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to stick to like handmade stuff like on Etsy some things.

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<v Speaker 2>We're purchasing that sort of stuff. It's not just like

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. So something else I wanted to say, which is

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<v Speaker 1>like an amazing stay here is the wedding. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think I told you this yet, but the wedding I

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<v Speaker 1>photographed over the weekend. The maid of honor, she was

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<v Speaker 1>also the sister of the bride, did a speech at

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<v Speaker 1>the reception, you know, as they often do, and she

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<v Speaker 1>closed it off by asking the bride and groom to

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<v Speaker 1>look at each other. So in my head I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>like she's going to say something sweet or sappy or whatever, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and she said, you are now looking at the person

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<v Speaker 1>most statistically likely to murder you. Yeah, And I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, yes, is so epic.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure I've seen that on TikTok before. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so I mean it's unfortunately true, it is. But

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I mean, I've shot a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>weddings and I haven't seen that in a speech myself,

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<v Speaker 1>and I thought it was pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm glad you said weddings, not ex husbands. Yes, I've

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<v Speaker 2>shot a lot of ex husbands.

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<v Speaker 1>I have not done that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, hopefully we keep it that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I'm not sure that you could do anything bad

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<v Speaker 1>enough that I'd have the desire to murder you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't comprehend that need for someone to actually

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<v Speaker 2>take another life like that. That's pretty extreme.

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<v Speaker 1>But even like someone even if if, like I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>for something that that to happen, there has to be

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<v Speaker 1>something going on in the marriage, like there just has

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<v Speaker 1>to be. But I mean, you did, you would have

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<v Speaker 1>loved that person at some point in time. So it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't bath them that you get to that

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<v Speaker 1>extent where you're like plot in their murder. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I know, like some people, it's like an insurance thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's even if.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, like money, money, money is evil.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the thing. It's say, Okay, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>you at least loved them at some point, So at

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<v Speaker 2>what point did money become more valuable than that connection? Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Man, I mean there's quite a few things I want

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<v Speaker 1>in this life that money would buy me, but I'd

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<v Speaker 1>rather you be part of it, so you're safe for.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, for now, knock on wood that that lasts a

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<v Speaker 2>little longer than just for now.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my, okay. So this brings us to talking about

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<v Speaker 1>Melanie and William, or Bill as i'll refer to him, maguire.

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<v Speaker 1>It's similar to the Lacy and Scott Peterson case in

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<v Speaker 1>that there's people who believe this boast did it and

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<v Speaker 1>people who don't. But we form our own opinions around here,

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll dive into the facts and see where we land.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds goods good, Okay, here we go. We're starting off

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<v Speaker 1>the story in April of two thousand and four. At

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<v Speaker 1>this time, Melanie and Bill had been married for five

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<v Speaker 1>years and they had two sons. Melanie was a nurse

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<v Speaker 1>at a fertility clinic and Bill was teaching computer science

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<v Speaker 1>at a technical college. Bill's sister described the couple as

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect match from day one. They were equals and

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<v Speaker 1>they both wanted the same things out of life. So

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<v Speaker 1>that sounds like a pretty darn.

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<v Speaker 2>Good match, Yeah, you would think.

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<v Speaker 1>On April twenty eight, two thousand and four, the couple,

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<v Speaker 1>who were living in an apartment in Woodridge, Woodbridge, New Jersey,

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<v Speaker 1>closed on a four hundred and fifty thousand house in

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<v Speaker 1>Warren County.

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<v Speaker 2>Four hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a good price. What year did you say?

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<v Speaker 1>This was two thousand and four.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's an expensive home for two thousand four.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually didn't look to see like what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>home it is, so who knows. Maybe it was grand.

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<v Speaker 2>It could have been. I mean, maybe it's the upscale

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<v Speaker 2>neighborhood or something. I don't know that neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was a photo actually thrown in there in

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<v Speaker 1>a dock that I watched, but I'm not even certain

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<v Speaker 1>if that was like the exact house. But the one

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<v Speaker 1>that they threw in there was like pretty grand, so

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not certain.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that's almost half million dollars for like a long

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<v Speaker 2>time before everything skyrocketed here.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Bill was a static that evening. He called

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<v Speaker 1>the gas company to transfer their account, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>is like adorable. That's like the first thing that you do.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what I think is think that is

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<v Speaker 1>just like so some serious excitement. So he transferred their

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<v Speaker 1>account to their new house, and he also called two

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<v Speaker 1>good friends to tell them the good news. But around

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<v Speaker 1>six' ten that evening would be the last time anyone

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<v Speaker 1>would hear From. Bill oh. Shit he seemed to go,

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<v Speaker 1>silent which was very unusual for. Him he was someone

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<v Speaker 1>that seemed like they promptly responded to. People he even

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<v Speaker 1>missed a call from the cellar of the, house who

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<v Speaker 2>Returned, wow, okay that's suspicious as. Well like they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>Yet, no like they literally just signed they were in their. Apartment,

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<v Speaker 1>according To. Melanie the night after closing on their new,

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<v Speaker 1>home the couple got into an, argument an argument that

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<v Speaker 1>Convinced melanie she needed to leave the. Relationship you, see

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't all sunshine and rainbow in the couple's. Marriage

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<v Speaker 1>after the birth of the couple's second, son they had

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<v Speaker 2>Her oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Dang but the night Of april twenty eighth or the

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<v Speaker 1>early morning Of april twenty, Ninth melanie claimed their argument

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<v Speaker 1>was over a dryer. Sheet a dryer, sheet which seems,

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<v Speaker 1>funny BUT i feel like when communication is at a,

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<v Speaker 1>whack arguments get like very interesting and it honestly does

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<v Speaker 2>Fair we've argued over some really stupid, shit.

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<v Speaker 1>Probably actually dryer sheets as, well BECAUSE i do not

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<v Speaker 1>like dryer. Sheets, yeah we don't use. Them i'm, like,

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<v Speaker 1>NO i like.

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<v Speaker 2>THEM i, mean, yeah sure they're full like chemicals and,

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<v Speaker 2>stuff but they make your clothes now.

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<v Speaker 1>Nice we just put our clothes in the dryer with

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<v Speaker 1>nothing it can you can do? That, people you?

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<v Speaker 2>Can you can.

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<v Speaker 1>Been so, SAD i Guess i've won this. Argument, eh dryer, sheets,

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<v Speaker 1>okay so. Barely.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill this is what marriage, Is ladies and. Gentlemen you

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<v Speaker 2>do or do not get dryer.

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<v Speaker 1>Shit that's one or the. Other bill hated dryer, sheets

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<v Speaker 1>AND i didn't stick this in. There but one thing

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<v Speaker 1>he had they had, said is BECAUSE i think he

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't necessarily he didn't like dryer, sheets but he

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<v Speaker 1>thought that they were like lazy and you should just

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<v Speaker 1>put like fabric softener in the.

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<v Speaker 2>Wash, OH i already hate.

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<v Speaker 1>Him was kind of the. Thing But melanie continued to use,

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<v Speaker 1>them And melanie claimed that particular, Night bill slammed her

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<v Speaker 1>against the, doorway shoved a dryer sheet in her, mouth

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<v Speaker 1>and slapped her across the.

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<v Speaker 2>Face, okay, okay that's not.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool that's like a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Aggressive this dude can suck a big old d if

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing that.

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<v Speaker 1>Shit one of their kids were witnessed to, this which

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<v Speaker 1>is very, unfortunate So, Melie melanie said she grabbed her

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<v Speaker 1>kid and locked herself in the bathroom with. Him she

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<v Speaker 1>could Hear bill rummaging through the apartment packing a, bag

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<v Speaker 1>saying she'd never see him again before stormed. Out melanie

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<v Speaker 1>would file for a restraining order two days, later in

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<v Speaker 1>Fear bill would pick up their children and take them

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<v Speaker 1>off with. Him don't But bill never tried to Contact,

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<v Speaker 1>melanie their, kids or anyone else for that. Matter he

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<v Speaker 1>had simply.

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<v Speaker 2>Vanished how old was the kid who witnessed?

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<v Speaker 1>THIS i think he was only?

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<v Speaker 2>Two Little yeah never?

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<v Speaker 1>Mind, yeah, oh because you're, thinking like possible witness or,

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<v Speaker 1>something but, yeah there's like no way for a two

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<v Speaker 1>year all. DAY i don't think, So, no be sure

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<v Speaker 1>it was the younger, one.

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<v Speaker 2>And even, still, LIKE i don't think they would be

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<v Speaker 2>knowing what's even going. On, really.

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<v Speaker 1>Mummy was like, upset, yeah which is kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Breaking it could literally be that mummy stubbed her toe

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<v Speaker 2>and was, crying and the kid could be upset and misconstrue.

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<v Speaker 1>That right totally.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah or it could be That daddy was literally trying

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<v Speaker 2>to kill mummy and they he thought they were. Playing,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah a two year old's not necessarily going to.

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<v Speaker 1>KNOW i, know they're so innocent peer unless they're terrible, too.

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<v Speaker 1>IS i guess some parents would be, like they're not

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<v Speaker 1>miss that's.

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<v Speaker 2>True i've heard some horror. Stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah so days turned into, weeks And bill's sister questioned

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<v Speaker 1>Why melanie hadn't filed a missing person's, report But melanie

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<v Speaker 1>felt this wasn't particularly out of character For bill to

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<v Speaker 1>have a tantrum and be, gone that he was in

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<v Speaker 1>a habit of saying things that angered, people and that

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<v Speaker 1>he frequently gambled In Atlantic. City three and a half weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>Later melanie filed for divorce, shit WHICH i do feel

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<v Speaker 1>like is like, wow kind of a, Wow like your

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<v Speaker 1>husband is missing and you literally like just bought a house.

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<v Speaker 2>Together, Yeah and it's so strangely that he was like

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<v Speaker 2>so excited in calling people in about the house and

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<v Speaker 2>then just.

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<v Speaker 1>Leaves well they got in a big.

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<v Speaker 2>Argument, yeah but, Okay devil's advocate. Here, okay if you

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<v Speaker 2>AND i are in a giant argument to the degree

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<v Speaker 2>that one of us is storming out or something and

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<v Speaker 2>not coming back to the, house where's the first place

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<v Speaker 2>you would?

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<v Speaker 1>Go?

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<v Speaker 2>Me, YEAH i know the first PLACE i would go

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<v Speaker 2>the fucking house we just.

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<v Speaker 1>Bought, yeah BUT i don't like they signed the. Papers

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<v Speaker 1>they probably don't have it, yet, RIGHT i don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's probably turned over to. Them. Yeah generally when you

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<v Speaker 1>sign the, papers you got to wait to bet, Right,

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<v Speaker 1>YEAH i. Guess SO i was, Like i'll go to my. Studio,

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<v Speaker 1>NO i. WAS i was intrigued to know where the

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<v Speaker 1>hell you.

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<v Speaker 2>GO i was thinking the other house they had in their,

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<v Speaker 2>Possession but, yeah the other occupants are still moving out

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<v Speaker 2>or you're get the key date or whatever it's called possession,

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<v Speaker 2>date there you. Go, Yeah, yeah that's that's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Factor so As melanie was filing for, divorce it's all

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<v Speaker 1>about to make sense here for. You virginia police had

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<v Speaker 1>a very grim situation on their hands that was that

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<v Speaker 1>would massively change the trajectory of this, Story three separate

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<v Speaker 1>dark Green Kenneth cole suitcase suitcases have been discovered around

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<v Speaker 1>The Chesapeake. BAY i Think i'm saying that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right it nailed.

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<v Speaker 1>It and a side, note WHEN i was like around that,

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<v Speaker 1>TIME i Thought Kenneth cole was like the. SHIT i

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if you remember, that BUT i THINK i

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<v Speaker 1>had like purses or wallets AND i was, like this

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<v Speaker 1>is the.

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<v Speaker 2>Ship, YES i remember. That and also side side, note

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<v Speaker 2>you Practicing chesapeake like for ten minutes before we aired

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<v Speaker 2>this pot or before we record this.

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<v Speaker 1>Pot. Oh, yeah AND i literally go to the next

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<v Speaker 1>level where it's like you can actually practice In.

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<v Speaker 2>Google, yeah you Get google To.

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<v Speaker 1>Chesapeake i'm not sure IF i nailed, it BUT i

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<v Speaker 1>think you.

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<v Speaker 2>DID i was Close.

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<v Speaker 1>Chesapeake, Okay so the first suitcase was discovered On may.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifth the police department got a call from a fisherman

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<v Speaker 1>stating that he had found a suit floating in the.

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<v Speaker 1>Bay once, opened the contents of the bags were within

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<v Speaker 1>a black trash, bag and within that black trash bag

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<v Speaker 1>was a pair of human legs cut from the knees. Down,

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<v Speaker 1>shit basically your shins and your.

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<v Speaker 2>FEET i GUESS i Found dexter's dumping.

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<v Speaker 1>Ground, OKAY i do have a. Question so if you

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<v Speaker 1>were like AT c and you found and there was

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<v Speaker 1>just like a suitcase, floating, yes would you bring it

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<v Speaker 1>onto the?

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<v Speaker 2>Boat?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes would you open it? Up? Yes because what you

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<v Speaker 1>think maybe there's money or something cool in? There?

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<v Speaker 2>No BECAUSE i would, think what if there's a body in?

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<v Speaker 2>Here and what IF i need to report?

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<v Speaker 1>It oh, shit you're way nicer than. Me if you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna run for the.

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<v Speaker 2>Hills, No i'm thinking EITHER, a it's Garbage i'm getting

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<v Speaker 2>out of the, ocean or, yeh b it's there's a

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<v Speaker 2>fucking body in here and someone needs to.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, YEAH i, mean, HONESTLY i would. PROBABLY i mean

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<v Speaker 1>after this case, Now i'm probably gonna for sure think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a dead body anything floating It's but LIKE i,

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<v Speaker 1>think if prior to do my research and, stuff, Initially

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<v Speaker 1>i'd probably just think it bell off something and it

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<v Speaker 1>was like someone's.

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<v Speaker 2>Luggage, Right, WELL i would probably think that. Too Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>god that thought of what if there's a body in

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<v Speaker 2>there would be sneaking in the back of my.

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<v Speaker 1>Brain that would be. Traumatizing, Shit oh it would BE

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<v Speaker 1>i Think i'd be traumatized for.

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<v Speaker 2>Life could you imagine actually finding that like that a

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<v Speaker 2>horrific to discover and be the the atrocity of actually

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<v Speaker 2>realizing that someone just lost their life and was just

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<v Speaker 2>thrown away like.

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<v Speaker 1>That, yeah, well, TECHNICALLY i guess with that suitcase it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't certain that the person lost their, life and that

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<v Speaker 1>one like the legs they, oh, man, yeah this is

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<v Speaker 1>WHY i didn't put this in. There but they just

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<v Speaker 1>kept describing them as, fresh which is just like there

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<v Speaker 1>could have been a different way to describe.

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<v Speaker 2>Them, WELL i, mean not necessarily not, old not recently.

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<v Speaker 1>Murdered, RIGHT i don't, know there's two other descriptions than.

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<v Speaker 2>Fresh, NO i think fresh is probably the best way

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<v Speaker 2>to describe.

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<v Speaker 1>IT i described like fresh bananas or fresh, lettuce or

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<v Speaker 1>like fresh.

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<v Speaker 2>Air this weird conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway moving, on because two more suitcases would be. Found

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<v Speaker 1>so five days, later another suitcase washed on the shore

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<v Speaker 1>Of Fisherman's, island and inside this suitcase was the torch

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<v Speaker 1>of a white male severed from the waist. Down fuck,

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<v Speaker 1>yes so, okay so yeah it was THE i kind

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<v Speaker 1>of described that. Funny so it was like the waist

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<v Speaker 1>up and then it had the head and the arms still.

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<v Speaker 2>Attached, OKAY i that.

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<v Speaker 1>Funny. Sorry so, finally a third suitcase would be discovered

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<v Speaker 1>by a fisherman and his, wife with the missing pieces

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<v Speaker 1>to the body initially unable to be. IDENTIFIED a complicate

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<v Speaker 1>sketch of the victim was released to the, public With

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<v Speaker 1>Susan rice recognizing the victim As Bill, maguire a longtime

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<v Speaker 1>friend of her. Husband's this was confirmed by a fingerprint

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<v Speaker 1>check and sure, enough the man inside the luggage Was.

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<v Speaker 1>Bill he was thirty nine years.

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<v Speaker 2>Old that's. Young that is, young the whole life ahead of,

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<v Speaker 2>you still, well and just.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that he has young kids and stuff just

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<v Speaker 1>breaks my. Heart so The virginia authorities turned over the

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<v Speaker 1>investigation to The New Jersey State, police as that is

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<v Speaker 1>where it is believed the murder took, place and Though

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<v Speaker 1>melanie came across as the grieving, widow there was evidence

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<v Speaker 1>to question this and she would become the prime suspect

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<v Speaker 1>in the. Investigation, yeah.

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00:20:40.759 --> 00:20:45.119
<v Speaker 2>Rightfully, so like you, said most, statistically they're always going

428
00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:47.880
<v Speaker 2>after the spouse first person they turned to to question.

429
00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.839
<v Speaker 1>Totally and THEN i feel though we'll talk more about,

430
00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:56.680
<v Speaker 1>this BUT i, mean, like if there's anything even its tiniest,

431
00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.079
<v Speaker 1>tidbit not saying that there's tiny tidbits in this, one

432
00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:03.319
<v Speaker 1>but to question that. Person they don't look at anyone. Else,

433
00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:04.200
<v Speaker 1>really what do you?

434
00:21:04.240 --> 00:21:05.480
<v Speaker 2>Mean they don't look at anyone, like.

435
00:21:05.519 --> 00:21:09.480
<v Speaker 1>Okay so SAY i look semi guilty in one. Aspect

436
00:21:09.960 --> 00:21:12.400
<v Speaker 1>it's almost LIKE i feel like investigators brand like case

437
00:21:12.440 --> 00:21:15.519
<v Speaker 1>cold clothes like they. Did they don't even look at other.

438
00:21:15.559 --> 00:21:17.839
<v Speaker 2>Suspects they'll start to get that like tunnel, vision and,

439
00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:20.759
<v Speaker 2>yeah not necessarily try and follow the, evidence but try

440
00:21:20.799 --> 00:21:23.920
<v Speaker 2>and make the evidence fit. Exactly, yes that's that's something that,

441
00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:26.480
<v Speaker 2>WELL i, mean we've dealt with that in other episodes pretty,

442
00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:28.160
<v Speaker 2>much is that they get that tunnel. Vision they're trying

443
00:21:28.160 --> 00:21:30.400
<v Speaker 2>to get their man and make the evidence fit the

444
00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:32.359
<v Speaker 2>case and the scenario they want.

445
00:21:32.880 --> 00:21:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Exactly AND i just feel like for spouse cases that's

446
00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:39.000
<v Speaker 1>even more so than any other. Case and THEN i

447
00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:43.759
<v Speaker 1>just honestly sometimes feel like there are probably spouses serving

448
00:21:43.839 --> 00:21:46.039
<v Speaker 1>sentences that maybe don't necessarily deserve.

449
00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:48.799
<v Speaker 2>It, Right oh, yeah There's i'm sure lots of people

450
00:21:48.839 --> 00:21:51.720
<v Speaker 2>out there who are innocentems are unfortunately serving.

451
00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:54.039
<v Speaker 1>Time, yeah But i'm not saying that about this. Case

452
00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:57.279
<v Speaker 1>so we're going to go over some details. Here so

453
00:21:57.359 --> 00:22:00.799
<v Speaker 1>the fact that she never Reported bill as missing made

454
00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:03.319
<v Speaker 1>her a suspect right off the. Bat that is a bit.

455
00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Odd there was also a blanket inside one of the,

456
00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:12.119
<v Speaker 1>suitcases wrapped Around bill's, torso with markings from a hospital

457
00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:15.480
<v Speaker 1>supply company and the same kind of blankets used at

458
00:22:15.519 --> 00:22:17.759
<v Speaker 1>the fertility clinic Where melanie was.

459
00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Working, Oh, snael.

460
00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:23.799
<v Speaker 1>That's kind of a big. One the suitcases were also

461
00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:29.240
<v Speaker 1>the family's, suitcases Which, melanie though did admit. To apparently

462
00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:33.599
<v Speaker 1>she reluctantly admitted. To but she did admit. To but

463
00:22:33.680 --> 00:22:37.039
<v Speaker 1>technically the dude. Did she said that he packed up, bags, Right,

464
00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:43.000
<v Speaker 1>SO i don't. KNOW i feel like if you literally

465
00:22:43.039 --> 00:22:45.680
<v Speaker 1>were murdering your spouse like, that you would not dispose

466
00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:50.880
<v Speaker 1>of them in your own. LUGGAGE i just feel that,

467
00:22:50.920 --> 00:22:53.279
<v Speaker 1>Way but you never.

468
00:22:53.359 --> 00:22:54.119
<v Speaker 2>KNOW i don't.

469
00:22:54.119 --> 00:22:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Know what do they? Say common? Sense ain't that? Common?

470
00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Exactly you're get a lost FOR i really, am

471
00:23:01.960 --> 00:23:05.039
<v Speaker 2>BECAUSE i am very torn with the idea Of, well

472
00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:08.920
<v Speaker 2>clearly it fucking connects. Her but like you, said he

473
00:23:08.960 --> 00:23:13.119
<v Speaker 2>did leave with luggage according to, her according to, her

474
00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:16.400
<v Speaker 2>according to her, Exactly and a lot of this stuff

475
00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:18.559
<v Speaker 2>is according to, HER i, Mean bill is no voice

476
00:23:18.559 --> 00:23:25.799
<v Speaker 2>at this, point, Right so prove that it it wasn't. You, Yeah,

477
00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:29.519
<v Speaker 2>like prove he took the. Luggage, yeah where is the?

478
00:23:29.559 --> 00:23:32.519
<v Speaker 2>Witness where is this saying we have a missing individual

479
00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:37.640
<v Speaker 2>found in the family? Suitcases you can't prove those left

480
00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:38.480
<v Speaker 2>your possession.

481
00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:45.920
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, so investigators Felt melanie was holding information back from,

482
00:23:45.960 --> 00:23:49.359
<v Speaker 1>them but her, theory as shared on forty Eight, hours

483
00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:52.839
<v Speaker 1>was that her husband's trip To Atlantic city may have

484
00:23:52.920 --> 00:23:56.480
<v Speaker 1>put him in contact with some shady characters that he

485
00:23:56.720 --> 00:23:59.759
<v Speaker 1>liked to gamble and had a knack for pissing people.

486
00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:04.039
<v Speaker 1>Off bill's sister wouldn't believe That bill would ever lay

487
00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:07.759
<v Speaker 1>a hand on a, woman and she and she never

488
00:24:08.640 --> 00:24:13.119
<v Speaker 1>saw any, emotional, physical or verbal abuse aimed To. Melanie

489
00:24:13.200 --> 00:24:16.440
<v Speaker 1>she also insisted That bill would never abandon his.

490
00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:20.079
<v Speaker 2>CHILDREN i do want to say something real. Quick i'm fre.

491
00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:25.359
<v Speaker 2>Me saying prove the suitcase almost makes me say that

492
00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:27.400
<v Speaker 2>she is, guilty And i'm putting that point of view

493
00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:29.599
<v Speaker 2>out to you guys. LISTENING i don't want to do.

494
00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:32.920
<v Speaker 1>That, well, no but it makes sense, though because that's

495
00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:33.400
<v Speaker 1>fishy as.

496
00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Fuck, Yeah but also in that same, thing saying prove

497
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:38.559
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't you prove?

498
00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:38.680
<v Speaker 1>It?

499
00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:41.440
<v Speaker 2>What? Like? Yeah If i'm saying prove it, wasn't, well

500
00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:43.359
<v Speaker 2>then the rhetorical question, is, well prove it.

501
00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:46.680
<v Speaker 1>WAS i mean, yeah because, technically what if he was

502
00:24:46.680 --> 00:24:50.119
<v Speaker 1>as mad and he threw all as, much he packed

503
00:24:50.200 --> 00:24:53.160
<v Speaker 1>up as much shit as he possibly. Could, yeah and

504
00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:56.119
<v Speaker 1>there was like one of those blankets or whatever already

505
00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:59.599
<v Speaker 1>and in the luggage like or left in his vehicle

506
00:24:59.720 --> 00:25:00.400
<v Speaker 1>or whatever it.

507
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.240
<v Speaker 2>Was SO i just want to make that clear that

508
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:05.759
<v Speaker 2>as much as we can point fingers and, say, well

509
00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:08.119
<v Speaker 2>the evidence points to, you she can also, say, well

510
00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:11.039
<v Speaker 2>why aren't you listening to? Me i'm technically a witness

511
00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:15.200
<v Speaker 2>in this, Case so the argument goes both. WAYS i

512
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:16.799
<v Speaker 2>just want to make that clear That i'm not trying

513
00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:20.559
<v Speaker 2>to tunnel vision you guys into making that evidence fit right.

514
00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:22.880
<v Speaker 1>Exactly we can have our opinions at the end or.

515
00:25:22.920 --> 00:25:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Whatever so police please search The maguire's, apartment their storage,

516
00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:33.680
<v Speaker 1>unit And melanie's, car but no murder weapon tool used

517
00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:36.880
<v Speaker 1>to cut Up bill's, body or any evidence for that

518
00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:40.200
<v Speaker 1>matter of a crime scene was ever. Found AND i

519
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:43.200
<v Speaker 1>don't care how good you are at, cleaning if you

520
00:25:43.359 --> 00:25:46.400
<v Speaker 1>literally chopped up a man's body in your. APARTMENT i

521
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:48.799
<v Speaker 1>think there would be something left.

522
00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Behind there would most likely be.

523
00:25:51.319 --> 00:25:54.480
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i DON'T i just can't understand how you would

524
00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:55.839
<v Speaker 1>clean that up well enough.

525
00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Unless you were extremely but even still it would be

526
00:26:05.039 --> 00:26:05.759
<v Speaker 2>very very. Hard.

527
00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:09.240
<v Speaker 1>Well one report said something like they believed she did

528
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:12.160
<v Speaker 1>it in the bathroom and that it was in the

529
00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:15.880
<v Speaker 1>shower and she us like drape cloths or, whatever WHICH i,

530
00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.240
<v Speaker 1>mean but like she has two, CHILDREN i don't even

531
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:21.200
<v Speaker 1>know how the hell she'd get away with. That but

532
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:24.799
<v Speaker 1>so the search was very. Extensive they literally like turned

533
00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:27.759
<v Speaker 1>the place upside down in a number of, times including

534
00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:31.240
<v Speaker 1>pulling apart or pulling down parts of the, wall pulling up,

535
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:34.759
<v Speaker 1>piping pulling up. Flooring, like they were. Extensive SO i

536
00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:37.119
<v Speaker 1>just feel like if there was like that would be

537
00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:40.400
<v Speaker 1>a massive amount of miss. THAT i just think something

538
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:41.240
<v Speaker 1>would have been left.

539
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:45.720
<v Speaker 2>Behind but m piping isn't notorious for catching in little

540
00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:48.599
<v Speaker 2>grooves that that pea, trap that LITTLE u shape underneath

541
00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:48.960
<v Speaker 2>your saint.

542
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:52.359
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, yeah, yeah like they something would have come. UP

543
00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:54.079
<v Speaker 1>i feel like because they wouldn't have cleaned it that

544
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:55.839
<v Speaker 1>the piping and.

545
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Stuff and even if they she was able to get

546
00:26:58.039 --> 00:27:00.920
<v Speaker 2>rid of all any sort of residue or, blood there

547
00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:03.559
<v Speaker 2>would most likely be evidence of some serious cleaning and

548
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 2>chemicals being.

549
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:07.559
<v Speaker 1>Used, totally, yeah which.

550
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:10.160
<v Speaker 2>They usually put in findings when that is the. Case

551
00:27:10.200 --> 00:27:11.799
<v Speaker 2>and by the sounds of, it they didn't even find.

552
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:15.559
<v Speaker 1>That, yeah not THAT i. Saw. So so a lot

553
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.599
<v Speaker 1>of the forensic evidence that had been looked for on

554
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:21.519
<v Speaker 1>the body was, unfortunately or that would have been looked, for,

555
00:27:21.559 --> 00:27:25.480
<v Speaker 1>sorry on the body was unfortunately destroyed in the water saturated.

556
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:29.119
<v Speaker 1>Suitcases but it was quickly determined That bill had been

557
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:32.279
<v Speaker 1>shot in the head and torso with the thirty eight caliber.

558
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>Gun so they wanted to determine If melanie had ever

559
00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:40.119
<v Speaker 1>owned a. Gun they searched gun records In New jersey

560
00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:44.359
<v Speaker 1>to no. Luck but when they Searched pennsylvania because it

561
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:47.279
<v Speaker 1>was close and the state had a shorter waiting, period

562
00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.960
<v Speaker 1>they discovered this is a, doozy That melanie had purchased

563
00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:56.279
<v Speaker 1>a thirty eight caliber gun in that state forty eight

564
00:27:56.359 --> 00:28:01.359
<v Speaker 1>priors hours prior To bill going. Missing, yeah two.

565
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:05.880
<v Speaker 2>Days oh, shit that does not look.

566
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:07.839
<v Speaker 1>Good that really doesn't look.

567
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:11.559
<v Speaker 2>Good it's one thing to own firearms and in the same,

568
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:15.640
<v Speaker 2>caliber but it's another to purchase. It then your husband

569
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:19.720
<v Speaker 2>go missing two days? Later? Yeah shit like?

570
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:24.359
<v Speaker 1>That. Yeah, so her reasoning behind this being That bill

571
00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:28.039
<v Speaker 1>asked her to purchase the gun for protection in their

572
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:31.359
<v Speaker 1>new home and that he couldn't purchase it himself because

573
00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:34.559
<v Speaker 1>he had a felony conviction due to a terrible driving,

574
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:38.279
<v Speaker 1>record which he did have a terrible driving, Right, OKAY

575
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:41.480
<v Speaker 1>i did see, That but that he asked her of,

576
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Speaker 1>This oh my.

577
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.039
<v Speaker 2>Gosh does she know where the gun? Is what's her

578
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:46.240
<v Speaker 2>story for where the gun's at?

579
00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:50.759
<v Speaker 1>Now she doesn't, Know she doesn't. Know, no they so

580
00:28:50.880 --> 00:28:51.720
<v Speaker 1>they never found the.

581
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:56.599
<v Speaker 2>Gun i'm not too sure what certain state laws and

582
00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:58.559
<v Speaker 2>stuff and such, are But i'm pretty sure that's a

583
00:28:58.559 --> 00:29:00.839
<v Speaker 2>felony in itself missing.

584
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:05.559
<v Speaker 1>Firearm yeah maybe. Yeah, so and she had also been

585
00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:09.599
<v Speaker 1>talking to a friend prior To bill's disappearance about the

586
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:12.799
<v Speaker 1>problems in her marriage and were in regards to getting

587
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:16.319
<v Speaker 1>a gun for her own. Safety it was never mentioned

588
00:29:16.480 --> 00:29:20.720
<v Speaker 1>That bill wanted a, gun and this friend would go

589
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:25.480
<v Speaker 1>on testify and. Shit so. Okay So, melanie along with her,

590
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:29.960
<v Speaker 1>parents were put under, surveillance and authorities obtained a court

591
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:34.000
<v Speaker 1>order allowing them to secretly record hundreds of hours of

592
00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:37.920
<v Speaker 1>phone conversations Between melanie and her family and friends in

593
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:43.839
<v Speaker 1>hopes that she may let something. Slip melanie always maintained her,

594
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:47.519
<v Speaker 1>innocence but what they would find was what they believed

595
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:48.720
<v Speaker 1>to be her motive for.

596
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:50.200
<v Speaker 2>MURDER i know this.

597
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:54.319
<v Speaker 1>Part it's always. This and that was the affair she

598
00:29:54.400 --> 00:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>had been having with Doctor Brad, miller her boss at

599
00:29:57.720 --> 00:29:59.559
<v Speaker 1>the fertility clinic she was working.

600
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:01.000
<v Speaker 2>At she flewsy and.

601
00:30:01.119 --> 00:30:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Around the affair had been going on for more than two.

602
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:07.799
<v Speaker 2>Years oh, geez, really which is?

603
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Wild? Okay so it actually started when she was pregnant

604
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:14.480
<v Speaker 1>with their second. Kid what it was like third week's

605
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:15.240
<v Speaker 1>pregnant or.

606
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:19.839
<v Speaker 2>Something i'm, sorry but what a? Bitch, well so is?

607
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:23.319
<v Speaker 1>He he's also married with young. Children they're Both, yeah because.

608
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>He's a fucking douche canoe and she's a. Bitch they're

609
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:27.799
<v Speaker 2>perfect for each, other NOW i. Understand oh.

610
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:31.720
<v Speaker 1>Okay so they also found out That melanie was In

611
00:30:31.839 --> 00:30:35.839
<v Speaker 1>Atlantic city the night after she Claimed bill left, her

612
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:39.960
<v Speaker 1>saying she went there to look for. Him she was becoming,

613
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:44.400
<v Speaker 1>angry angrier at her husband and suspected she knew where he,

614
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:48.559
<v Speaker 1>was and lo and, behold she found her his car

615
00:30:48.640 --> 00:30:51.720
<v Speaker 1>in the Taj mahal casino parking, lot and as a

616
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:55.319
<v Speaker 1>gesture of, spite moved his car about one and a

617
00:30:55.359 --> 00:31:00.480
<v Speaker 1>half miles away to The Flamingo, motel something they apparently

618
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>did when they were angry at each, other which is

619
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>real fucked in my what like that is just like really,

620
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:14.519
<v Speaker 1>weird that is because like THAT i couldn't even imagine

621
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:17.599
<v Speaker 1>doing that, too like being, Manned like how would you

622
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:19.200
<v Speaker 1>would just never find your?

623
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Vehicle, Ever i'm i'mar, okay how the fuck did she

624
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:27.079
<v Speaker 2>find his? Vehicle to start?

625
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:32.039
<v Speaker 1>With, well, here let me elaborate, here so BECAUSE i

626
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:34.079
<v Speaker 1>kind of go into that a little. Bit so that

627
00:31:34.240 --> 00:31:36.880
<v Speaker 1>is Where bill's car was found by The but the

628
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:43.880
<v Speaker 1>prosecution questioned the valid validility of that. Story, validity, Validity,

629
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:47.279
<v Speaker 1>sorry it's all, Good oh my. Gosh? Kay DID i

630
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:49.519
<v Speaker 1>also mention That i'm really? Tired so If i'm pronouncing shit,

631
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:52.559
<v Speaker 1>wrong just be nice to. Me? Okay where AM? I?

632
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:57.039
<v Speaker 1>Okay so they questioned this, story being That Atlantic city

633
00:31:57.079 --> 00:32:01.759
<v Speaker 1>at the time had thirteen large, casino hundreds of, restaurants,

634
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:06.079
<v Speaker 1>shops parking, garages and parking lots virtually all over the

635
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:09.160
<v Speaker 1>city that she made up the story after the media

636
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:13.240
<v Speaker 1>had reported the police had a video of someone Parking bill's,

637
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:17.200
<v Speaker 1>car because for her to be able to just stumble

638
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:20.759
<v Speaker 1>upon the, car, yeah them far. Fetched BUT i don't

639
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.200
<v Speaker 1>know because they were, married her knowing where he might

640
00:32:23.279 --> 00:32:26.799
<v Speaker 1>be doesn't seem super far fetched me, because like what

641
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>happens if she has they've foughten, Before like their marriage wasn't, great,

642
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:34.839
<v Speaker 1>right and she's already bailed him out from this casino

643
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.079
<v Speaker 1>or like knew that was the casino that he went

644
00:32:37.119 --> 00:32:37.519
<v Speaker 1>to or.

645
00:32:37.559 --> 00:32:40.799
<v Speaker 2>Something i'm not gonna say that someone's gonna go to

646
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>the same casino every, time. Though. No, yeah put it this.

647
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Way what's my favorite beer in?

648
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Town Thousand?

649
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:52.920
<v Speaker 2>Peaks, okay If i'm mad And i'm storming off to

650
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:54.559
<v Speaker 2>go for a, beer are you gonna be able to

651
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:55.279
<v Speaker 2>go find my? Truck?

652
00:32:58.400 --> 00:32:59.720
<v Speaker 1>NO i probably wouldn't have even.

653
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:01.799
<v Speaker 2>Go but if you go, looking would you be able

654
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:04.200
<v Speaker 2>to find my? Truck where my favorite beer? Is can

655
00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>you guarantee that? Restaurant that? Pub?

656
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:11.039
<v Speaker 1>No but maybe he's a man of.

657
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:13.640
<v Speaker 2>Habit maybe that's. TRUE i don't.

658
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>Know i'm just Being devil's at, Yet.

659
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:19.119
<v Speaker 2>You're, right Everything i'm saying has the exact counter argument.

660
00:33:19.279 --> 00:33:25.440
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, Yeah so the video when it was, released it

661
00:33:25.519 --> 00:33:27.920
<v Speaker 1>was like or sorry when the police had released, this

662
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:30.640
<v Speaker 1>they never they didn't go into more detail because that,

663
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:34.799
<v Speaker 1>video the police had the individual parking, bills car had

664
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:40.039
<v Speaker 1>too much, glare so the video was actually rendered. Useless

665
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:44.720
<v Speaker 1>melanie did acknowledge how ridiculous her story. Sounded she. Does

666
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:45.920
<v Speaker 1>she acknowledges a lot.

667
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:48.559
<v Speaker 2>Of, shit Which i'm, Like so she went out found

668
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:50.680
<v Speaker 2>his car in a city of hundreds of thousands of

669
00:33:50.680 --> 00:33:55.480
<v Speaker 2>people and then decided out of spite to park it somewhere.

670
00:33:55.480 --> 00:34:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Else, Yeah and something else kind of interesting is the

671
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.279
<v Speaker 1>trip To Atlantic city had her passing through an electronic

672
00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:09.840
<v Speaker 1>toll station with these charges appearing on her. Statement melanie

673
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>called the company and attempted to have those charges. Removed

674
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.280
<v Speaker 1>she said this was a panic moment for. Her she

675
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:20.239
<v Speaker 1>absolutely tried to have those charges taken off because she

676
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.559
<v Speaker 1>feared that people would look and think what they ultimately

677
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:24.039
<v Speaker 1>ended up.

678
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:29.079
<v Speaker 2>Thinking, well of, course so she's trying to cover her.

679
00:34:29.239 --> 00:34:33.280
<v Speaker 1>Tracks, yeah, yeah it looks.

680
00:34:33.320 --> 00:34:35.239
<v Speaker 2>Bad it does look, Really so she tried to cover

681
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:38.039
<v Speaker 2>her tracks before talking to the, police not just trying

682
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:38.480
<v Speaker 2>to cover her.

683
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:42.039
<v Speaker 1>Tracks well, yeah, okay because there was Even, OKAY i didn't. Really,

684
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:45.679
<v Speaker 1>okay let me back trunk for a, sec because she

685
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:49.480
<v Speaker 1>had at one point just given the police a, tip

686
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:52.599
<v Speaker 1>oh like you might find his vehicle In Atlantic city or.

687
00:34:52.639 --> 00:34:56.119
<v Speaker 1>Whatever but that she didn't tell them that she had

688
00:34:56.119 --> 00:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>already fucking been, there found it and moved. It. Yeah

689
00:35:00.280 --> 00:35:02.519
<v Speaker 1>SO i mean that was also like her saying that

690
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:04.119
<v Speaker 1>she's the last person in the. Vehicle.

691
00:35:04.840 --> 00:35:10.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, see if one's, husband ex, husband, whatever.

692
00:35:10.400 --> 00:35:11.920
<v Speaker 1>Well they're still married and.

693
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:15.519
<v Speaker 2>Stuff, well someone you hate that you know of is,

694
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:21.079
<v Speaker 2>missing and you're going to go physically find the, vehicle move,

695
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:24.519
<v Speaker 2>it and then you're gonna lead police on a wild goose. Chase, Why,

696
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:29.559
<v Speaker 2>yeah what's the. Point, yeah if you know you've been

697
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.000
<v Speaker 2>in that vehicle and the police are talking to, you

698
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:34.400
<v Speaker 2>to save your own, ass you better fucking tell them

699
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:37.960
<v Speaker 2>exactly what, happened unless you're trying to hide. Something AND

700
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:39.880
<v Speaker 2>i guess as far As i'm, CONCERNED.

701
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:41.920
<v Speaker 1>I, MEAN i didn't put this in. There they believe

702
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.039
<v Speaker 1>that she had help with all of this, Too oh,

703
00:35:45.079 --> 00:35:47.559
<v Speaker 1>Probably LIKE i, MEAN i think they literally believe that

704
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:49.960
<v Speaker 1>she drove the vehicle there to like plant.

705
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:51.199
<v Speaker 2>IT i believe that.

706
00:35:51.239 --> 00:35:55.159
<v Speaker 1>Too So melanie made another suspicious trip in the days

707
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:58.719
<v Speaker 1>After bill went, missing this time To, delaware where she

708
00:35:59.039 --> 00:36:04.719
<v Speaker 1>was allegedly furniture. Shopping prosecution believed this is When melanie

709
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:09.840
<v Speaker 1>drove the suitcases with her husband's remains To Chesapeake, bay

710
00:36:10.280 --> 00:36:14.800
<v Speaker 1>because the first suitcase turned up the following, day But

711
00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:19.440
<v Speaker 1>melanie denies, this insisting that there are hundreds of miles

712
00:36:19.480 --> 00:36:23.840
<v Speaker 1>Between delaware And Virginia beach about three hours that there

713
00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:27.880
<v Speaker 1>would not have been enough. TIME i, MEAN i do

714
00:36:27.960 --> 00:36:30.440
<v Speaker 1>find it kind of questionable that she's just running the

715
00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:33.000
<v Speaker 1>fuck all over the place when she has, Kids like

716
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:34.920
<v Speaker 1>she has to be watching these, kids.

717
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:37.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah BUT i mean it's watching that if she has

718
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.280
<v Speaker 2>someone helping her baby sit the kids WHILE i go

719
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:42.559
<v Speaker 2>dump a body of hundreds of miles. Away so no

720
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:43.400
<v Speaker 2>one suspects, ME.

721
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:46.519
<v Speaker 1>I, know because there was talk about like the dad

722
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:50.079
<v Speaker 1>And i'm not sure it was her real father if

723
00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:53.000
<v Speaker 1>this was like a, stepfather but there had been like

724
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:56.559
<v Speaker 1>this person brought up in stuff that it was, them

725
00:36:56.599 --> 00:36:59.599
<v Speaker 1>because even apparently one report said that he even tried

726
00:36:59.599 --> 00:37:03.159
<v Speaker 1>to phone to get rid of the toll oh shit.

727
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.639
<v Speaker 1>Too SO i don't, KNOW i don't. Know there's some fishy.

728
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Shita the problem is is when there's too many, coincidences

729
00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:12.960
<v Speaker 2>it no longer becomes a.

730
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Coincidence well, yeah like even at we set at the

731
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:21.519
<v Speaker 1>set at the, beginning like can someone be this unlucky

732
00:37:21.599 --> 00:37:24.480
<v Speaker 1>that they are literally doing all this shit at? Random, that,

733
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:29.119
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i don't, know it just seems a bit. Much so,

734
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:32.679
<v Speaker 1>eventually On june, second two thousand and, five as evidence

735
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:36.320
<v Speaker 1>was piling, up after dropping off her son's at, Daycare

736
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:41.320
<v Speaker 1>melanie was officially arrested and charged with murdering and dismembering her.

737
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:45.199
<v Speaker 1>Husband this was thirteen months after this discovery of the.

738
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Suitcases quite a lot of time.

739
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Passed, yeah no, Kidding SO.

740
00:37:50.199 --> 00:37:52.239
<v Speaker 1>I feel like that made that seem like they were

741
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:54.079
<v Speaker 1>making sure their ducks were kind of in a row

742
00:37:54.079 --> 00:37:54.880
<v Speaker 1>before they rested.

743
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:55.719
<v Speaker 2>Her sounds like.

744
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:59.440
<v Speaker 1>It. So at the, trial the prosecutor was prepared for,

745
00:37:59.559 --> 00:38:04.480
<v Speaker 1>battle tellingers in her opening statement That melanie planned for

746
00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:09.000
<v Speaker 1>her husband to, disappear and disappear he, did but the

747
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:13.480
<v Speaker 1>defense Said bill had tempted his own. Fate when you

748
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:16.199
<v Speaker 1>have money out on the street and you're behind and

749
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:19.519
<v Speaker 1>you're making, payments you know what. Happens you get shot,

750
00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:22.000
<v Speaker 1>here and you get shot. Here as he points to

751
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:27.880
<v Speaker 1>his chest and. Head NOW i do want to, sorry go, Ahead,

752
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:31.360
<v Speaker 1>OKAY i just wanted to say, something AND i haven't

753
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:33.320
<v Speaker 1>said this, yet BUT i find it weird and never

754
00:38:33.360 --> 00:38:35.519
<v Speaker 1>came up in any of my. Research but If bill

755
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:40.199
<v Speaker 1>had such a gambling problem and owed like in quotations people,

756
00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:42.679
<v Speaker 1>money would he have been able to just purchase a?

757
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:45.639
<v Speaker 1>House would they have just been able to purchase almost

758
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:46.679
<v Speaker 1>a half a million dollar?

759
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:48.519
<v Speaker 2>Home, yeah that was kind of going to be WHERE

760
00:38:48.519 --> 00:38:49.760
<v Speaker 2>i was going to. QUESTION i was just about to

761
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:53.159
<v Speaker 2>ask about their financial situations and their financial. Records if

762
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:55.519
<v Speaker 2>he had such a gambling, problem what sort of debt

763
00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:58.320
<v Speaker 2>were they? In what sort of evidence is there of

764
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.360
<v Speaker 2>withdrawing these large sums of money or not making these,

765
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.440
<v Speaker 2>payments or buying a house and actually getting that credit

766
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:08.119
<v Speaker 2>check to. Pass so if he owed a shit ton of,

767
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:11.159
<v Speaker 2>money there's probably going to be large transactions of credit

768
00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:12.800
<v Speaker 2>being drawn for him trying to pay that.

769
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.119
<v Speaker 1>Off, yeah AND i do not think that they would

770
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:16.000
<v Speaker 1>have been able to purchase.

771
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:18.239
<v Speaker 2>Home so was there any sort of evidence that you

772
00:39:18.320 --> 00:39:20.920
<v Speaker 2>ran across from that she had nothing to prove this

773
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:25.360
<v Speaker 2>gambling addiction in. Court, no there was, nothing because there's

774
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:28.760
<v Speaker 2>no way you can sustain a gambling addiction on pure cash, Alone,

775
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:31.800
<v Speaker 2>yeah especially if you're borrowing from people on the street

776
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:33.360
<v Speaker 2>and then you lose it and they're, like you need

777
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:35.360
<v Speaker 2>to pay me back by fucking. Tomorrow Otherwise i'm coming

778
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.800
<v Speaker 2>to your house for your. Family you go into the.

779
00:39:37.800 --> 00:39:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Bank, Yeah AND i mean like he was teaching at

780
00:39:41.039 --> 00:39:44.159
<v Speaker 1>a college and, stuff, LIKE i, mean people with gambling

781
00:39:44.199 --> 00:39:46.960
<v Speaker 1>addictions are all sorts of. People so oh, yeah BUT

782
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:49.519
<v Speaker 1>i don't, know just from the stuff THAT i, read

783
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:53.079
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't seem like he was he had that. Issue

784
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:56.760
<v Speaker 1>AND i mean his sister didn't think, either but like

785
00:39:57.119 --> 00:40:00.400
<v Speaker 1>she also thought that the couple was. Perfect SO i

786
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:03.400
<v Speaker 1>mean stuff behind hidden doors is you can hide a

787
00:40:03.400 --> 00:40:04.760
<v Speaker 1>lot of, things, really oh you.

788
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.920
<v Speaker 2>Can but if there is a gambling, addiction money has

789
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:12.039
<v Speaker 2>a paper trail unless everything is strictly in. Cash, yeah

790
00:40:12.199 --> 00:40:13.840
<v Speaker 2>the odds of that are super.

791
00:40:13.840 --> 00:40:15.840
<v Speaker 1>Slim AND i feel LIKE i might touch on that

792
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:18.360
<v Speaker 1>a little bit more. Later but, yeah the, PROSECUTION i,

793
00:40:18.400 --> 00:40:22.039
<v Speaker 1>believe looked into this and they couldn't find any evidence

794
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:23.400
<v Speaker 1>of anything like.

795
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:25.599
<v Speaker 2>This, Wow so now it's just her word.

796
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:30.079
<v Speaker 1>Again, Yeah so the events would say the state only

797
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:33.079
<v Speaker 1>focused On melanie and that there's no core evidence that

798
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:38.400
<v Speaker 1>shows she did, this just, Circumstances but the prosecutor argued

799
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:42.599
<v Speaker 1>the evidence like the, gun the, blanket and the suitcases

800
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:46.280
<v Speaker 1>were all. Compelling now to go over a bit more

801
00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:48.639
<v Speaker 1>evidence that was found and presented in court THAT i

802
00:40:48.679 --> 00:40:52.559
<v Speaker 1>haven't gone over, yet because there is. More when investigators

803
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:56.519
<v Speaker 1>Process bill's, car they found a bottle of the sedative

804
00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:01.599
<v Speaker 1>chloral hydrate and two syringes similar to the ones used

805
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:05.440
<v Speaker 1>that the clinic Men melanie worked. At they traced the

806
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:09.480
<v Speaker 1>chloral hydrate back to A walgreens pharmacy just down the

807
00:41:09.599 --> 00:41:14.880
<v Speaker 1>road from The Maguire Children's. Daycare the prescription was in

808
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.599
<v Speaker 1>the name of a woman who was a patient of Doctor.

809
00:41:17.800 --> 00:41:22.079
<v Speaker 1>Miller AND i just wanted to, say when you drop off,

810
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:25.559
<v Speaker 1>prescriptions like they DON'T id or, anything do They? No

811
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:30.039
<v Speaker 1>AND i never really thought about that until, this But i'm,

812
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:30.920
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i feel.

813
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Like maybe they should start maybe.

814
00:41:33.360 --> 00:41:37.719
<v Speaker 1>Really so it was filled at eight thirty two am

815
00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:43.519
<v Speaker 1>On april twenty, eighth the date Of bill's. Disappearance the

816
00:41:43.639 --> 00:41:46.800
<v Speaker 1>daycare Showed melanie dropping off her sons at eight twenty that,

817
00:41:46.960 --> 00:41:50.280
<v Speaker 1>morning with The walgreens being about an eight minute drive.

818
00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:56.000
<v Speaker 1>Away the prescription was on Doctor miller's prescription, pad But

819
00:41:56.199 --> 00:42:01.599
<v Speaker 1>brad the doctor denied writing the, prescription and a handwriting

820
00:42:01.679 --> 00:42:05.480
<v Speaker 1>expert testified that the writing was not, his but could

821
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:09.280
<v Speaker 1>neither identify nor exclude the signature as being done By,

822
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:13.280
<v Speaker 1>melanie and the person's name that the prescription was under

823
00:42:13.800 --> 00:42:18.280
<v Speaker 1>testified that they had never gotten a prescription for. That.

824
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:23.199
<v Speaker 1>Wow so the prosecutor believed the crime was cruel and,

825
00:42:23.239 --> 00:42:27.079
<v Speaker 1>calculated and That bill was heavily sedated Before melanie shot,

826
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.559
<v Speaker 1>Him but no evidence of the drug was found In bill's,

827
00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:33.119
<v Speaker 1>body but it could be argued that his body was

828
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:34.079
<v Speaker 1>found too late to.

829
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:38.960
<v Speaker 2>Test SO i just had something come to me. Here

830
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:42.960
<v Speaker 2>if he was heavily sedated like they suggest when he was,

831
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:48.719
<v Speaker 2>shot that would imply her being able to subdue, him i.

832
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:51.840
<v Speaker 2>E being able to wrap him up in a tarpsay

833
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:56.000
<v Speaker 2>to help prevent messes or any sort of that. Situation

834
00:42:56.239 --> 00:42:56.960
<v Speaker 2>who knows that.

835
00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:59.599
<v Speaker 1>She was described, ALL i didn't put it in, here

836
00:42:59.639 --> 00:43:02.000
<v Speaker 1>but like he as a fairly petite. WOMAN i don't

837
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:06.159
<v Speaker 1>know the size of, him but, yeah SO i, mean

838
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:11.320
<v Speaker 1>if there's a, will there's a. Way, YEAH i should

839
00:43:11.360 --> 00:43:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Mention in regards To, brad he was always very adamant

840
00:43:15.280 --> 00:43:17.599
<v Speaker 1>he had nothing to do with the crime or didn't

841
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:20.760
<v Speaker 1>know anything about. It So brad is Doctor Brad. Miller

842
00:43:21.800 --> 00:43:24.559
<v Speaker 1>the police wanted him to prove, this so he, agreed

843
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:28.599
<v Speaker 1>agreed to wearing a. Wire he was very cooperative and

844
00:43:28.639 --> 00:43:31.000
<v Speaker 1>there was no evidence to connect him to the, crime

845
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:34.519
<v Speaker 1>so he was never charged with. Anything he did also

846
00:43:34.639 --> 00:43:37.119
<v Speaker 1>testify Against melanie at her, trial.

847
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:40.239
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha, okay, okay, so which probably pissed her.

848
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:42.639
<v Speaker 1>Off oh, Yeah LIKE i think she thought that was

849
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:46.199
<v Speaker 1>like a terrible, portrayal, right because there was even one

850
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:49.480
<v Speaker 1>DOC i read that even as he was like recording

851
00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:52.480
<v Speaker 1>their conversations or wiring or whatever, like he was still

852
00:43:52.519 --> 00:43:57.159
<v Speaker 1>like sexually active with, her which is so, discussed and

853
00:43:57.159 --> 00:43:59.679
<v Speaker 1>that was kind of like a thing against his character

854
00:43:59.679 --> 00:44:00.679
<v Speaker 1>because that seems a bit.

855
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Wrong, yeah that's that's shady as.

856
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Fuck so so we move on to the next, thing

857
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:14.000
<v Speaker 1>and that is The Maguire's internet search, history which had

858
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:15.519
<v Speaker 1>some very questionable.

859
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:18.840
<v Speaker 2>Searches oh you did tell me about this, too, actually.

860
00:44:18.760 --> 00:44:27.079
<v Speaker 1>Including but not limited, to undetectable, poisons instant, poison instant undetectable,

861
00:44:27.199 --> 00:44:32.480
<v Speaker 1>Poisons state gun, laws gun laws In, pennsylvania how to commit,

862
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:48.400
<v Speaker 1>murder how to commit, suicide insulin is a poison, chlorohydrate And, walgreens.

863
00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:45.920
<v Speaker 2>And because that's WHERE i, KNOW i, know it's just

864
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:48.360
<v Speaker 2>like that was one way to wrap it up and.

865
00:44:50.079 --> 00:44:50.280
<v Speaker 1>Where you.

866
00:44:50.639 --> 00:44:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Get you, know if you're shopping At, walgreens you're gonna kill.

867
00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:57.519
<v Speaker 2>SOMEBODY i Don't i've never been to A, walgreen SO

868
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.800
<v Speaker 2>i can't even talk negative or positive about. It ALL

869
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:02.840
<v Speaker 2>i know is that's one hell of a fucking search.

870
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:03.840
<v Speaker 2>HISTORY i.

871
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:06.239
<v Speaker 1>KNOW i, mean like we've said our search histories are,

872
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:08.559
<v Speaker 1>fucked but we also like have a true crime, podcast

873
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>AND i don't think they, did so that's.

874
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:13.880
<v Speaker 2>True but to be, FAIR i don't think any of my,

875
00:45:14.039 --> 00:45:16.920
<v Speaker 2>searches at least mine on my, computer are not how to,

876
00:45:17.239 --> 00:45:22.360
<v Speaker 2>murder how to kill, someone undetectable poison like it's.

877
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Gonna Be, Yeah, no mine are quite.

878
00:45:23.920 --> 00:45:26.719
<v Speaker 2>That mine's gonna be very, specific case oriented.

879
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:29.760
<v Speaker 1>One mine's always like how to pronounce, this how to pronounce?

880
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:36.639
<v Speaker 2>This, yeah mine is like looking FOR i don't, know

881
00:45:36.719 --> 00:45:40.119
<v Speaker 2>like lesser known true crime cases or things like. That.

882
00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Right so, yeah, okay so that list was even like.

883
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Longer really there was even more. SHIT a lot of

884
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:51.119
<v Speaker 1>it was actually about insulin AND i do feel like

885
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.360
<v Speaker 1>you would have to have a slightly medical background to

886
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:56.639
<v Speaker 1>potentially even think.

887
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Of insulin or a true crime podcast.

888
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:01.920
<v Speaker 1>Back, yeah LIKE i don't, know just like a Normal

889
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:03.079
<v Speaker 1>joe would know.

890
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:05.119
<v Speaker 2>That, well she is a, nurse isn't She she's a.

891
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Nurse, yeah so this looked very bad For. Melanie but

892
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:14.039
<v Speaker 1>she claimed as a, nurse she wouldn't need to look

893
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.679
<v Speaker 1>up those things if she wanted to look something. Up

894
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:20.719
<v Speaker 1>she had a physician's desk reference book that doesn't have

895
00:46:20.920 --> 00:46:26.039
<v Speaker 1>a record of any search. History the defense showed they

896
00:46:26.039 --> 00:46:30.000
<v Speaker 1>had no idea who made these, searches and this is,

897
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:33.679
<v Speaker 1>interesting there were apparently other searches seconds after the so

898
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:37.880
<v Speaker 1>called incriminating, searches where it was a website that Only

899
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:39.400
<v Speaker 1>bill could access via a.

900
00:46:39.559 --> 00:46:43.800
<v Speaker 2>Password i'm going to go ahead and limb here and

901
00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:46.000
<v Speaker 2>say that in two thousand and four was this, case

902
00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:50.679
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people weren't too knowledgeable on search. Histories

903
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:53.719
<v Speaker 2>so why would you look it up at? Work just

904
00:46:53.760 --> 00:46:55.480
<v Speaker 2>look it up at home when no one's looking, around

905
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:57.679
<v Speaker 2>and she has no idea that it's being recorded on

906
00:46:57.719 --> 00:46:58.079
<v Speaker 2>a search.

907
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:03.199
<v Speaker 1>History, yeah but they would say That, Bill, yes right

908
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:06.920
<v Speaker 1>after something sketch was, Searched, yes how to murder? Someone

909
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:11.480
<v Speaker 1>that Something bill would only search was next and like

910
00:47:11.639 --> 00:47:12.719
<v Speaker 1>needed a password to get.

911
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:16.320
<v Speaker 2>In, yeah but if she knew his, Password, yeah which very.

912
00:47:16.480 --> 00:47:18.559
<v Speaker 2>Likely you know my passwords AND i know yours were.

913
00:47:18.559 --> 00:47:19.480
<v Speaker 2>MARRIED i mean you.

914
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:23.360
<v Speaker 1>Could plan, That but then would you also just clear a?

915
00:47:23.480 --> 00:47:25.159
<v Speaker 1>History BUT i think even if like you clear a,

916
00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:26.360
<v Speaker 1>history the police can still.

917
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:27.159
<v Speaker 2>Look oh yeah you.

918
00:47:27.199 --> 00:47:30.320
<v Speaker 1>Can but could you imagine If bill was actually planning

919
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:33.599
<v Speaker 1>to do something To melanie as, well or or something? Right,

920
00:47:34.360 --> 00:47:38.199
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i don't. Know that seems sketch to. Me so

921
00:47:38.239 --> 00:47:43.599
<v Speaker 1>the prosecution Believed melanie concocted an elaborate story to Explain bill's,

922
00:47:43.679 --> 00:47:47.960
<v Speaker 1>absence beginning with the, fight then the restraining, order the,

923
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:51.480
<v Speaker 1>divorce and hints of shady, characters even though there was

924
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:54.679
<v Speaker 1>nothing to be found indicating That bill was involved with

925
00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:59.519
<v Speaker 1>any criminal element, whatsoever so they looked into. This the

926
00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:03.880
<v Speaker 1>defense was confident in saying the state not only failed

927
00:48:03.920 --> 00:48:07.639
<v Speaker 1>to find them the murder, weapon a, motive or an

928
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:11.039
<v Speaker 1>accomplished it also failed to prove its own theory That

929
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:15.480
<v Speaker 1>melanie shot and Dismembered bill in their. Apartment they felt

930
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:18.320
<v Speaker 1>it was impossible for the crime to occur in that

931
00:48:18.400 --> 00:48:22.159
<v Speaker 1>apartment without being there being any piece of, edmonds WHICH

932
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:25.559
<v Speaker 1>i do agree, with and being that it was an,

933
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:29.840
<v Speaker 1>apartment surely a neighbor would have heard the gunshot or

934
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:35.159
<v Speaker 1>saw like the sound of a sawing boneh not, necessarily

935
00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:37.639
<v Speaker 1>but AND i didn't stick this in. There there was

936
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:40.519
<v Speaker 1>one report that said one of the bullets that was

937
00:48:40.599 --> 00:48:45.519
<v Speaker 1>In bill had like fiber. RESIDUE i don't know how

938
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:48.519
<v Speaker 1>to describe, that fibers on. It, okay that was from

939
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:51.960
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i, think like a green cushion or, something so

940
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:54.400
<v Speaker 1>like they thought maybe they they kind of used the

941
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:56.519
<v Speaker 1>pillow as like a bit of a silencer or. SOMETHING

942
00:48:56.639 --> 00:48:58.119
<v Speaker 1>i don't even know how that exactly would.

943
00:48:58.159 --> 00:49:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Work but, YEAH i mean if you have if it's

944
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:02.840
<v Speaker 2>like a handsaw that you're just operating push, pole push,

945
00:49:02.920 --> 00:49:05.079
<v Speaker 2>pull there's not gonna be any noise, really, right just

946
00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:05.800
<v Speaker 2>the sawing Of.

947
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:09.519
<v Speaker 1>Oh that would make so, Long, no wouldn't It not that?

948
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Long it, Would but it's not that. Bad it's it's

949
00:49:13.440 --> 00:49:16.800
<v Speaker 2>quicker than you. Think Because i'm saying this BECAUSE i

950
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:20.360
<v Speaker 2>am a. Hunter i've, BUTCHERED i, Understand i've cut through

951
00:49:20.480 --> 00:49:24.559
<v Speaker 2>moose leg, bones which are much bigger than. Humans it's,

952
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:30.079
<v Speaker 2>tiring but it doesn't take that. Long bones are very

953
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:34.639
<v Speaker 2>close in density to like a fur, wood A douglas. Fur, oh,

954
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:39.559
<v Speaker 2>okay fairly. Close if you break a branch the size

955
00:49:39.559 --> 00:49:42.239
<v Speaker 2>of A douglas, fur that's about equivalent to breaking a. Bone,

956
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:45.840
<v Speaker 2>yeah so sawing it is a little bit, different but

957
00:49:46.119 --> 00:49:48.840
<v Speaker 2>it's close at. Least so you can saw through a

958
00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:52.599
<v Speaker 2>two by, Four you probably close to sawing through the. Bone,

959
00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:55.880
<v Speaker 2>however you need to have the know how to not

960
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:58.599
<v Speaker 2>saw through the meat because the meat will clog up your.

961
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:00.079
<v Speaker 2>Sauce you need to cut through the meat with a

962
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:01.960
<v Speaker 2>knife and then just saw the.

963
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:02.760
<v Speaker 1>Bone oh my.

964
00:50:02.800 --> 00:50:05.920
<v Speaker 2>God that's so if you do that, correctly it's not that.

965
00:50:06.000 --> 00:50:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Bad that being, said if you use like a reciprocating

966
00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:12.239
<v Speaker 2>saw with a motor or, something, yeah then you muffle

967
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:13.800
<v Speaker 2>it with like a pillow over. Top it's just like

968
00:50:13.840 --> 00:50:15.039
<v Speaker 2>coughing into a pillow makes.

969
00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:16.599
<v Speaker 1>It Que AND i think they muffled like she was

970
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:18.320
<v Speaker 1>muffling the, gun is WHAT i.

971
00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:20.519
<v Speaker 2>Meant oh, yeah same sort of, thing.

972
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:23.920
<v Speaker 1>SO i, mean which would also describe if she need

973
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:26.000
<v Speaker 1>a new. FURNITURE i don't. Know maybe she was using

974
00:50:26.000 --> 00:50:29.480
<v Speaker 1>a couch cushion, maybe BUT i was just gonna SAY

975
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:33.519
<v Speaker 1>i saw a beautiful buck. Today. Wow the animals we

976
00:50:33.559 --> 00:50:36.239
<v Speaker 1>had a. Moment it was so interesting because it like

977
00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:39.239
<v Speaker 1>went by the road so slowly and then it just

978
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:40.960
<v Speaker 1>stopped on the side of the road and like drive

979
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:42.800
<v Speaker 1>by and like looked at, it and we just like

980
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:46.480
<v Speaker 1>looked at each other and it was like. Neither it wasn't,

981
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:47.639
<v Speaker 1>scared WHICH i was, like that's.

982
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.679
<v Speaker 2>Weird it was probably, thinking is that an alien has

983
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:52.920
<v Speaker 2>no idea what you? Are what the fuck is?

984
00:50:52.960 --> 00:50:56.440
<v Speaker 1>That but, anyways really it was really. Cool. Okay So

985
00:50:56.599 --> 00:50:59.960
<v Speaker 1>i'm not fully Convinced melanie didn't do, it BUT i

986
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.000
<v Speaker 1>still for some, reason don't believe the act was done

987
00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:04.039
<v Speaker 1>in the. APARTMENT i feel like you could see the

988
00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:06.119
<v Speaker 1>act potentially being in the apartment at this.

989
00:51:06.199 --> 00:51:09.559
<v Speaker 2>Point, NO i don't believe it. Was i'm just not

990
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:13.440
<v Speaker 2>counting it, Out, Okay but my bet is, no definitely

991
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:14.119
<v Speaker 2>not the. Apartment.

992
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:18.440
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so after seven weeks had more than seventy. Witnesses

993
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:22.480
<v Speaker 1>In april of two thousand and, Seven Melanie maguire was

994
00:51:22.519 --> 00:51:26.000
<v Speaker 1>found guilty of murder And july sentenced to life in.

995
00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Prison other Than, bill the other victims in this case

996
00:51:30.679 --> 00:51:34.400
<v Speaker 1>are the children in my. Opinion the court award a

997
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:37.159
<v Speaker 1>custody of the two sons To bill's, sister SO i

998
00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.599
<v Speaker 1>can imagine she gave them a good, upbringing but they

999
00:51:39.679 --> 00:51:43.119
<v Speaker 1>lost both their. Parents from WHAT i can, Find melanie

1000
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:47.239
<v Speaker 1>has had any contact with them since her. Trial she

1001
00:51:47.360 --> 00:51:49.960
<v Speaker 1>said that the hardest part is not being there for her.

1002
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Children her message to them is to make up your.

1003
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Mind don't accept what you're just being told on the.

1004
00:51:55.960 --> 00:52:01.400
<v Speaker 1>Surface dig Dig these documents, exist the stuff, Exist it's out,

1005
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:05.679
<v Speaker 1>there she. Said melanie still claims her innocence and insists

1006
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:07.639
<v Speaker 1>the real killer is still out. There.

1007
00:52:09.159 --> 00:52:11.920
<v Speaker 2>Wow, WELL i mean there is a possibility of. THAT

1008
00:52:13.719 --> 00:52:17.880
<v Speaker 2>i don't see proof that she did, it BUT i

1009
00:52:17.920 --> 00:52:20.519
<v Speaker 2>also don't see proof that she didn't do. IT i

1010
00:52:20.599 --> 00:52:24.400
<v Speaker 2>know she has no. Alibi she doesn't have her gun,

1011
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:27.559
<v Speaker 2>too because guns basically have a. Fingerprint if you have

1012
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:31.199
<v Speaker 2>the bullet that was shot from the murder and you

1013
00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:33.159
<v Speaker 2>have the, gun you can prove if it was or was.

1014
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:36.519
<v Speaker 2>Not she doesn't have that to. Prove the whole car

1015
00:52:36.559 --> 00:52:38.719
<v Speaker 2>thing sounds like a ridiculous.

1016
00:52:38.719 --> 00:52:43.360
<v Speaker 1>Fiasco SOMETHING i did forget to mention about the car,

1017
00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:46.800
<v Speaker 1>too is that there was they called it human, sawdust

1018
00:52:47.440 --> 00:52:51.519
<v Speaker 1>which is really weird in the, car so like on

1019
00:52:51.599 --> 00:52:54.320
<v Speaker 1>the floors and, stuff so like they felt maybe someone

1020
00:52:54.440 --> 00:52:54.960
<v Speaker 1>had it on their.

1021
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Feet oh, okay like a like a trace. Amount, yeah. Gotcha,

1022
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Okay SO i don't.

1023
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:02.280
<v Speaker 1>Know and then she was the last one in there.

1024
00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:06.519
<v Speaker 1>Too but would you just drop that Was ripley my?

1025
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Phone she walked by and stepped on the, cord got? It?

1026
00:53:11.360 --> 00:53:15.599
<v Speaker 2>NO i. Huh this is. Tough i'm not saying for

1027
00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:18.920
<v Speaker 2>certain that she did, it but my money is on

1028
00:53:19.000 --> 00:53:22.800
<v Speaker 2>the fact that she did do. It there's too much circumstantial.

1029
00:53:22.840 --> 00:53:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Evidence and BUT i highlight circumstantial, evidence but there's too

1030
00:53:27.800 --> 00:53:32.599
<v Speaker 2>much circumstantial evidence in my opinion to say that it's

1031
00:53:32.840 --> 00:53:36.880
<v Speaker 2>just that. Circumstantial, yeah too many coincidences are no longer a.

1032
00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:40.599
<v Speaker 1>Coincidence, yeah there's a LOT i. DO i feel LIKE

1033
00:53:41.000 --> 00:53:43.920
<v Speaker 1>i agree that she did, It but THEN i also feel,

1034
00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:49.119
<v Speaker 1>like how can someone literally like she's done a lot

1035
00:53:49.159 --> 00:53:51.800
<v Speaker 1>of interviews and, stuff and she does them because she

1036
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:55.760
<v Speaker 1>feels that the real killer is out, there and SO

1037
00:53:55.840 --> 00:53:57.920
<v Speaker 1>i just like feel, like how could someone be that

1038
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:01.440
<v Speaker 1>good at hiding? This and then ALSO i, mean like

1039
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:04.800
<v Speaker 1>she was a mother and she had like, kids would

1040
00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:07.400
<v Speaker 1>she take their? Father away from, Them, LIKE i don't,

1041
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:08.519
<v Speaker 1>KNOW i find that hard to.

1042
00:54:08.559 --> 00:54:11.679
<v Speaker 2>BELIEVE i do. TOO i ALSO i find it really

1043
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:13.679
<v Speaker 2>hard to believe if you look at the fact, that,

1044
00:54:13.719 --> 00:54:15.880
<v Speaker 2>okay it was a gambling, addiction And i'm not saying he,

1045
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:19.320
<v Speaker 2>didn't but, again it's really hard to. Prove but if

1046
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:21.199
<v Speaker 2>he did have a gambling, addiction he did owe some

1047
00:54:21.239 --> 00:54:23.440
<v Speaker 2>people some serious cash and it came down to it

1048
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:25.320
<v Speaker 2>was you pay us or your, life and well you

1049
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:28.079
<v Speaker 2>didn't pay, us so it was his. Life how are

1050
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:31.679
<v Speaker 2>they going to dispose of his? Body are these individuals

1051
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:33.760
<v Speaker 2>really going to go through the trouble of chopping them,

1052
00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:37.239
<v Speaker 2>up putting them in multiple, suitcases and disposing them out at.

1053
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Sea most likely they'll just dump a body somewhere because

1054
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<v Speaker 2>they've probably done this.

1055
00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:46.000
<v Speaker 1>Before, okay BECAUSE i almost thought the, opposite and THAT i,

1056
00:54:46.000 --> 00:54:49.199
<v Speaker 1>thought Like melanie wouldn't do something that. DRASTIC i feel

1057
00:54:49.199 --> 00:54:51.559
<v Speaker 1>like she would just like go dump them at, seat

1058
00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:54.960
<v Speaker 1>and that these scarier people. Would but, yeah like you,

1059
00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:56.440
<v Speaker 1>said they've probably done a million.

1060
00:54:56.480 --> 00:55:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Times like, yeah someone being chopped up and suitcases thrown

1061
00:55:01.000 --> 00:55:03.280
<v Speaker 2>it to. Seat to, me that's someone trying to hide,

1062
00:55:03.320 --> 00:55:06.880
<v Speaker 2>something someone who's just nonchalant killing over.

1063
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:10.639
<v Speaker 1>Money, well did she think that those suitcases would? Sink? Maybe,

1064
00:55:10.719 --> 00:55:11.440
<v Speaker 1>HEY i don't.

1065
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Know probably it seems someone trying to get rid of

1066
00:55:14.599 --> 00:55:18.239
<v Speaker 2>something and not being, experienced not, knowing making a. Mistake

1067
00:55:18.800 --> 00:55:21.480
<v Speaker 2>these people have done this. Before they've probably got a

1068
00:55:21.480 --> 00:55:23.719
<v Speaker 2>way of doing it where the bodies aren't, found or

1069
00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:25.880
<v Speaker 2>they just don't care because they can't prove it, anyways

1070
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<v Speaker 2>and they've done before and they get away with it every.

1071
00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:29.280
<v Speaker 2>Time or a bolt and the skull and they leave

1072
00:55:29.320 --> 00:55:33.320
<v Speaker 2>the body or. Something, yeah it doesn't add up to

1073
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:35.280
<v Speaker 2>the story for.

1074
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<v Speaker 1>Me, yeah because really it just seems like there's pretty

1075
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:41.400
<v Speaker 1>much right, now two options in a. Sense it's Like,

1076
00:55:41.480 --> 00:55:46.719
<v Speaker 1>melanie or it's That bill got himself in the situation or, whatever, right,

1077
00:55:46.880 --> 00:55:50.559
<v Speaker 1>yeah and OR i mean see completely random which, Happens,

1078
00:55:51.159 --> 00:55:54.679
<v Speaker 1>yeah completely not even thought of.

1079
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:58.639
<v Speaker 2>Which generally when you find someone who picks random, victims

1080
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:00.360
<v Speaker 2>usually they are the ones who does get away with.

1081
00:56:00.400 --> 00:56:01.679
<v Speaker 2>It do get away with.

1082
00:56:01.719 --> 00:56:07.480
<v Speaker 1>It, YEAH i don't. KNOW i don't. Know it's crazy this,

1083
00:56:07.480 --> 00:56:09.960
<v Speaker 1>this these. CASES i feel like we're as husband and

1084
00:56:10.039 --> 00:56:11.920
<v Speaker 1>wife and stuff just get. Me they get.

1085
00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:14.599
<v Speaker 2>Me why is?

1086
00:56:14.639 --> 00:56:17.159
<v Speaker 1>THAT i don't, know BECAUSE i just find it so

1087
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:17.840
<v Speaker 1>hard to Believe.

1088
00:56:18.039 --> 00:56:20.360
<v Speaker 2>OKAY i thought it was like because you can relate

1089
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:21.519
<v Speaker 2>to it and you want to kill me or.

1090
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:23.519
<v Speaker 1>Something, yeah there's another one on my. List IF i

1091
00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:26.239
<v Speaker 1>do a, third does that make me look weird a little?

1092
00:56:26.280 --> 00:56:29.039
<v Speaker 2>Bit, Yeah i'm going to start being real concerned here.

1093
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Because there was that. ONE i feel, like is it The?

1094
00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:33.360
<v Speaker 1>WATTS i think is their last? NAME i kind of What?

1095
00:56:33.920 --> 00:56:37.079
<v Speaker 1>WATTS i think what what?

1096
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:39.800
<v Speaker 2>EXACTLY i don't.

1097
00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Know i'm pretty sure That's Chris. WATT i don't. KNOW

1098
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:44.679
<v Speaker 1>i think that was their. Names but that's on my list.

1099
00:56:44.719 --> 00:56:46.559
<v Speaker 1>Too but AFTER i was, LIKE i can't do that.

1100
00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:49.519
<v Speaker 1>One i'll literally look like because SOMETIMES i also feel

1101
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:53.320
<v Speaker 1>LIKE i do too many cannibalism ones too.

1102
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<v Speaker 2>Well we have a whole world of people who are

1103
00:56:55.880 --> 00:56:58.840
<v Speaker 2>listening and can voucher me on this. Episode IF i

1104
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.199
<v Speaker 2>happen to go missing and we stop putting out, episodes

1105
00:57:01.280 --> 00:57:01.719
<v Speaker 2>you know what.

1106
00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:05.800
<v Speaker 1>Happened, okay that's not fair. Though right, now if something

1107
00:57:05.920 --> 00:57:09.440
<v Speaker 1>crazy ass, HAPPENED i would literally be go to. JAIL

1108
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:10.920
<v Speaker 1>i would be this person for.

1109
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Sure you shouldn't have been.

1110
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<v Speaker 1>Criminals oh my. Gosh, okay people KNOW i am a good.

1111
00:57:14.360 --> 00:57:16.239
<v Speaker 1>PERSON i think these people know. That oh, NOW i

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<v Speaker 1>feel Like i've to defend.

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<v Speaker 2>Sweet, yeah it's gonna be a Good i'm so good

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<v Speaker 2>THAT i Became italian Fors.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well thank you so much for. Listening we super appreciate.

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