Speaker 1: We all strive for a picture perfect relationship, but we
Speaker 1: all know perfect is hard to achieve. Melanie and Bill McGuire,
Speaker 1: like us, all had their issues, issues that would find
Speaker 1: one spouse washed ashore and the other a prime suspect, and,
Speaker 1: as one investigator would say, they're either guilty or the
Speaker 1: most unlucky person alive. Good morning. The following podcast and
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Speaker 1: Okay. So something else I wanted to say, which is
Speaker 1: like an amazing stay here is the wedding. I don't
Speaker 1: think I told you this yet, but the wedding I
Speaker 1: photographed over the weekend. The maid of honor, she was
Speaker 1: also the sister of the bride, did a speech at
Speaker 1: the reception, you know, as they often do, and she
Speaker 1: closed it off by asking the bride and groom to
Speaker 1: look at each other. So in my head I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: like she's going to say something sweet or sappy or whatever, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: and she said, you are now looking at the person
Speaker 1: most statistically likely to murder you. Yeah, And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, yes, is so epic.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure I've seen that on TikTok before. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I mean it's unfortunately true, it is. But
Speaker 1: I was like, I mean, I've shot a lot of
Speaker 1: weddings and I haven't seen that in a speech myself,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was pretty good.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said weddings, not ex husbands. Yes, I've
Speaker 2: shot a lot of ex husbands.
Speaker 1: I have not done that.
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully we keep it that way.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I'm not sure that you could do anything bad
Speaker 1: enough that I'd have the desire to murder you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't comprehend that need for someone to actually
Speaker 2: take another life like that. That's pretty extreme.
Speaker 1: But even like someone even if if, like I mean,
Speaker 1: for something that that to happen, there has to be
Speaker 1: something going on in the marriage, like there just has
Speaker 1: to be. But I mean, you did, you would have
Speaker 1: loved that person at some point in time. So it's like,
Speaker 1: I just can't bath them that you get to that
Speaker 1: extent where you're like plot in their murder. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, I know, like some people, it's like an insurance thing.
Speaker 2: So it's even if.
Speaker 1: Okay, like money, money, money is evil.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing. It's say, Okay, like you said,
Speaker 2: you at least loved them at some point, So at
Speaker 2: what point did money become more valuable than that connection? Oh?
Speaker 1: Man, I mean there's quite a few things I want
Speaker 1: in this life that money would buy me, but I'd
Speaker 1: rather you be part of it, so you're safe for.
Speaker 2: Now, for now, knock on wood that that lasts a
Speaker 2: little longer than just for now.
Speaker 1: Oh my, okay. So this brings us to talking about
Speaker 1: Melanie and William, or Bill as i'll refer to him, maguire.
Speaker 1: It's similar to the Lacy and Scott Peterson case in
Speaker 1: that there's people who believe this boast did it and
Speaker 1: people who don't. But we form our own opinions around here,
Speaker 1: So we'll dive into the facts and see where we land.
Speaker 1: Sounds goods good, Okay, here we go. We're starting off
Speaker 1: the story in April of two thousand and four. At
Speaker 1: this time, Melanie and Bill had been married for five
Speaker 1: years and they had two sons. Melanie was a nurse
Speaker 1: at a fertility clinic and Bill was teaching computer science
Speaker 1: at a technical college. Bill's sister described the couple as
Speaker 1: the perfect match from day one. They were equals and
Speaker 1: they both wanted the same things out of life. So
Speaker 1: that sounds like a pretty darn.
Speaker 2: Good match, Yeah, you would think.
Speaker 1: On April twenty eight, two thousand and four, the couple,
Speaker 1: who were living in an apartment in Woodridge, Woodbridge, New Jersey,
Speaker 1: closed on a four hundred and fifty thousand house in
Speaker 1: Warren County.
Speaker 2: Four hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Yeah, okay, yeah, that's
Speaker 2: a good price. What year did you say?
Speaker 1: This was two thousand and four.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's an expensive home for two thousand four.
Speaker 1: I actually didn't look to see like what kind of
Speaker 1: home it is, so who knows. Maybe it was grand.
Speaker 2: It could have been. I mean, maybe it's the upscale
Speaker 2: neighborhood or something. I don't know that neighborhood.
Speaker 1: But there was a photo actually thrown in there in
Speaker 1: a dock that I watched, but I'm not even certain
Speaker 1: if that was like the exact house. But the one
Speaker 1: that they threw in there was like pretty grand, so
Speaker 1: I'm not certain.
Speaker 2: Well that's almost half million dollars for like a long
Speaker 2: time before everything skyrocketed here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Bill was a static that evening. He called
Speaker 1: the gas company to transfer their account, which I think
Speaker 1: is like adorable. That's like the first thing that you do.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I think is think that is
Speaker 1: just like so some serious excitement. So he transferred their
Speaker 1: account to their new house, and he also called two
Speaker 1: good friends to tell them the good news. But around
Speaker 1: six' ten that evening would be the last time anyone
Speaker 1: would hear From. Bill oh. Shit he seemed to go,
Speaker 1: silent which was very unusual for. Him he was someone
Speaker 1: that seemed like they promptly responded to. People he even
Speaker 1: missed a call from the cellar of the, house who
Speaker 1: he'd normally respond to very, quickly but that call never got.
Speaker 2: Returned, wow, okay that's suspicious as. Well like they didn't
Speaker 2: even move in.
Speaker 1: Yet, no like they literally just signed they were in their. Apartment,
Speaker 1: yep the couple would never move into that new, home
Speaker 1: according To. Melanie the night after closing on their new,
Speaker 1: home the couple got into an, argument an argument that
Speaker 1: Convinced melanie she needed to leave the. Relationship you, see
Speaker 1: it wasn't all sunshine and rainbow in the couple's. Marriage
Speaker 1: after the birth of the couple's second, son they had
Speaker 1: started to grow, apart With melanie Claiming bill had a
Speaker 1: gambling problem and was becoming increasingly erratic and even vi
Speaker 1: voltle towards.
Speaker 2: Her oh.
Speaker 1: Dang but the night Of april twenty eighth or the
Speaker 1: early morning Of april twenty, Ninth melanie claimed their argument
Speaker 1: was over a dryer. Sheet a dryer, sheet which seems,
Speaker 1: funny BUT i feel like when communication is at a,
Speaker 1: whack arguments get like very interesting and it honestly does
Speaker 1: not take much to be.
Speaker 2: Fair we've argued over some really stupid, shit.
Speaker 1: Probably actually dryer sheets as, well BECAUSE i do not
Speaker 1: like dryer. Sheets, yeah we don't use. Them i'm, like,
Speaker 1: NO i like.
Speaker 2: THEM i, mean, yeah sure they're full like chemicals and,
Speaker 2: stuff but they make your clothes now.
Speaker 1: Nice we just put our clothes in the dryer with
Speaker 1: nothing it can you can do? That, people you?
Speaker 2: Can you can.
Speaker 1: Been so, SAD i Guess i've won this. Argument, eh dryer, sheets,
Speaker 1: okay so. Barely.
Speaker 2: Bill this is what marriage, Is ladies and. Gentlemen you
Speaker 2: do or do not get dryer.
Speaker 1: Shit that's one or the. Other bill hated dryer, sheets
Speaker 1: AND i didn't stick this in. There but one thing
Speaker 1: he had they had, said is BECAUSE i think he
Speaker 1: it wasn't necessarily he didn't like dryer, sheets but he
Speaker 1: thought that they were like lazy and you should just
Speaker 1: put like fabric softener in the.
Speaker 2: Wash, OH i already hate.
Speaker 1: Him was kind of the. Thing But melanie continued to use,
Speaker 1: them And melanie claimed that particular, Night bill slammed her
Speaker 1: against the, doorway shoved a dryer sheet in her, mouth
Speaker 1: and slapped her across the.
Speaker 2: Face, okay, okay that's not.
Speaker 1: Cool that's like a bit.
Speaker 2: Aggressive this dude can suck a big old d if
Speaker 2: he's doing that.
Speaker 1: Shit one of their kids were witnessed to, this which
Speaker 1: is very, unfortunate So, Melie melanie said she grabbed her
Speaker 1: kid and locked herself in the bathroom with. Him she
Speaker 1: could Hear bill rummaging through the apartment packing a, bag
Speaker 1: saying she'd never see him again before stormed. Out melanie
Speaker 1: would file for a restraining order two days, later in
Speaker 1: Fear bill would pick up their children and take them
Speaker 1: off with. Him don't But bill never tried to Contact,
Speaker 1: melanie their, kids or anyone else for that. Matter he
Speaker 1: had simply.
Speaker 2: Vanished how old was the kid who witnessed?
Speaker 1: THIS i think he was only?
Speaker 2: Two Little yeah never?
Speaker 1: Mind, yeah, oh because you're, thinking like possible witness or,
Speaker 1: something but, yeah there's like no way for a two
Speaker 1: year all. DAY i don't think, So, no be sure
Speaker 1: it was the younger, one.
Speaker 2: And even, still, LIKE i don't think they would be
Speaker 2: knowing what's even going. On, really.
Speaker 1: Mummy was like, upset, yeah which is kind of.
Speaker 2: Breaking it could literally be that mummy stubbed her toe
Speaker 2: and was, crying and the kid could be upset and misconstrue.
Speaker 1: That right totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah or it could be That daddy was literally trying
Speaker 2: to kill mummy and they he thought they were. Playing,
Speaker 2: yeah a two year old's not necessarily going to.
Speaker 1: KNOW i, know they're so innocent peer unless they're terrible, too.
Speaker 1: IS i guess some parents would be, like they're not
Speaker 1: miss that's.
Speaker 2: True i've heard some horror. Stories.
Speaker 1: Yeah so days turned into, weeks And bill's sister questioned
Speaker 1: Why melanie hadn't filed a missing person's, report But melanie
Speaker 1: felt this wasn't particularly out of character For bill to
Speaker 1: have a tantrum and be, gone that he was in
Speaker 1: a habit of saying things that angered, people and that
Speaker 1: he frequently gambled In Atlantic. City three and a half weeks,
Speaker 1: Later melanie filed for divorce, shit WHICH i do feel
Speaker 1: like is like, wow kind of a, Wow like your
Speaker 1: husband is missing and you literally like just bought a house.
Speaker 2: Together, Yeah and it's so strangely that he was like
Speaker 2: so excited in calling people in about the house and
Speaker 2: then just.
Speaker 1: Leaves well they got in a big.
Speaker 2: Argument, yeah but, Okay devil's advocate. Here, okay if you
Speaker 2: AND i are in a giant argument to the degree
Speaker 2: that one of us is storming out or something and
Speaker 2: not coming back to the, house where's the first place
Speaker 2: you would?
Speaker 1: Go?
Speaker 2: Me, YEAH i know the first PLACE i would go
Speaker 2: the fucking house we just.
Speaker 1: Bought, yeah BUT i don't like they signed the. Papers
Speaker 1: they probably don't have it, yet, RIGHT i don't think
Speaker 1: it's probably turned over to. Them. Yeah generally when you
Speaker 1: sign the, papers you got to wait to bet, Right,
Speaker 1: YEAH i. Guess SO i was, Like i'll go to my. Studio,
Speaker 1: NO i. WAS i was intrigued to know where the
Speaker 1: hell you.
Speaker 2: GO i was thinking the other house they had in their,
Speaker 2: Possession but, yeah the other occupants are still moving out
Speaker 2: or you're get the key date or whatever it's called possession,
Speaker 2: date there you. Go, Yeah, yeah that's that's a.
Speaker 1: Factor so As melanie was filing for, divorce it's all
Speaker 1: about to make sense here for. You virginia police had
Speaker 1: a very grim situation on their hands that was that
Speaker 1: would massively change the trajectory of this, Story three separate
Speaker 1: dark Green Kenneth cole suitcase suitcases have been discovered around
Speaker 1: The Chesapeake. BAY i Think i'm saying that.
Speaker 2: Right it nailed.
Speaker 1: It and a side, note WHEN i was like around that,
Speaker 1: TIME i Thought Kenneth cole was like the. SHIT i
Speaker 1: don't know if you remember, that BUT i THINK i
Speaker 1: had like purses or wallets AND i was, like this
Speaker 1: is the.
Speaker 2: Ship, YES i remember. That and also side side, note
Speaker 2: you Practicing chesapeake like for ten minutes before we aired
Speaker 2: this pot or before we record this.
Speaker 1: Pot. Oh, yeah AND i literally go to the next
Speaker 1: level where it's like you can actually practice In.
Speaker 2: Google, yeah you Get google To.
Speaker 1: Chesapeake i'm not sure IF i nailed, it BUT i
Speaker 1: think you.
Speaker 2: DID i was Close.
Speaker 1: Chesapeake, Okay so the first suitcase was discovered On may.
Speaker 1: Fifth the police department got a call from a fisherman
Speaker 1: stating that he had found a suit floating in the.
Speaker 1: Bay once, opened the contents of the bags were within
Speaker 1: a black trash, bag and within that black trash bag
Speaker 1: was a pair of human legs cut from the knees. Down,
Speaker 1: shit basically your shins and your.
Speaker 2: FEET i GUESS i Found dexter's dumping.
Speaker 1: Ground, OKAY i do have a. Question so if you
Speaker 1: were like AT c and you found and there was
Speaker 1: just like a suitcase, floating, yes would you bring it
Speaker 1: onto the?
Speaker 2: Boat?
Speaker 1: Yes would you open it? Up? Yes because what you
Speaker 1: think maybe there's money or something cool in? There?
Speaker 2: No BECAUSE i would, think what if there's a body in?
Speaker 2: Here and what IF i need to report?
Speaker 1: It oh, shit you're way nicer than. Me if you're
Speaker 1: gonna run for the.
Speaker 2: Hills, No i'm thinking EITHER, a it's Garbage i'm getting
Speaker 2: out of the, ocean or, yeh b it's there's a
Speaker 2: fucking body in here and someone needs to.
Speaker 1: Know, YEAH i, mean, HONESTLY i would. PROBABLY i mean
Speaker 1: after this case, Now i'm probably gonna for sure think
Speaker 1: it's a dead body anything floating It's but LIKE i,
Speaker 1: think if prior to do my research and, stuff, Initially
Speaker 1: i'd probably just think it bell off something and it
Speaker 1: was like someone's.
Speaker 2: Luggage, Right, WELL i would probably think that. Too Oh,
Speaker 2: god that thought of what if there's a body in
Speaker 2: there would be sneaking in the back of my.
Speaker 1: Brain that would be. Traumatizing, Shit oh it would BE
Speaker 1: i Think i'd be traumatized for.
Speaker 2: Life could you imagine actually finding that like that a
Speaker 2: horrific to discover and be the the atrocity of actually
Speaker 2: realizing that someone just lost their life and was just
Speaker 2: thrown away like.
Speaker 1: That, yeah, well, TECHNICALLY i guess with that suitcase it
Speaker 1: wasn't certain that the person lost their, life and that
Speaker 1: one like the legs they, oh, man, yeah this is
Speaker 1: WHY i didn't put this in. There but they just
Speaker 1: kept describing them as, fresh which is just like there
Speaker 1: could have been a different way to describe.
Speaker 2: Them, WELL i, mean not necessarily not, old not recently.
Speaker 1: Murdered, RIGHT i don't, know there's two other descriptions than.
Speaker 2: Fresh, NO i think fresh is probably the best way
Speaker 2: to describe.
Speaker 1: IT i described like fresh bananas or fresh, lettuce or
Speaker 1: like fresh.
Speaker 2: Air this weird conversation.
Speaker 1: Anyway moving, on because two more suitcases would be. Found
Speaker 1: so five days, later another suitcase washed on the shore
Speaker 1: Of Fisherman's, island and inside this suitcase was the torch
Speaker 1: of a white male severed from the waist. Down fuck,
Speaker 1: yes so, okay so yeah it was THE i kind
Speaker 1: of described that. Funny so it was like the waist
Speaker 1: up and then it had the head and the arms still.
Speaker 2: Attached, OKAY i that.
Speaker 1: Funny. Sorry so, finally a third suitcase would be discovered
Speaker 1: by a fisherman and his, wife with the missing pieces
Speaker 1: to the body initially unable to be. IDENTIFIED a complicate
Speaker 1: sketch of the victim was released to the, public With
Speaker 1: Susan rice recognizing the victim As Bill, maguire a longtime
Speaker 1: friend of her. Husband's this was confirmed by a fingerprint
Speaker 1: check and sure, enough the man inside the luggage Was.
Speaker 1: Bill he was thirty nine years.
Speaker 2: Old that's. Young that is, young the whole life ahead of,
Speaker 2: you still, well and just.
Speaker 1: The fact that he has young kids and stuff just
Speaker 1: breaks my. Heart so The virginia authorities turned over the
Speaker 1: investigation to The New Jersey State, police as that is
Speaker 1: where it is believed the murder took, place and Though
Speaker 1: melanie came across as the grieving, widow there was evidence
Speaker 1: to question this and she would become the prime suspect
Speaker 1: in the. Investigation, yeah.
Speaker 2: Rightfully, so like you, said most, statistically they're always going
Speaker 2: after the spouse first person they turned to to question.
Speaker 1: Totally and THEN i feel though we'll talk more about,
Speaker 1: this BUT i, mean, like if there's anything even its tiniest,
Speaker 1: tidbit not saying that there's tiny tidbits in this, one
Speaker 1: but to question that. Person they don't look at anyone. Else,
Speaker 1: really what do you?
Speaker 2: Mean they don't look at anyone, like.
Speaker 1: Okay so SAY i look semi guilty in one. Aspect
Speaker 1: it's almost LIKE i feel like investigators brand like case
Speaker 1: cold clothes like they. Did they don't even look at other.
Speaker 2: Suspects they'll start to get that like tunnel, vision and,
Speaker 2: yeah not necessarily try and follow the, evidence but try
Speaker 2: and make the evidence fit. Exactly, yes that's that's something that,
Speaker 2: WELL i, mean we've dealt with that in other episodes pretty,
Speaker 2: much is that they get that tunnel. Vision they're trying
Speaker 2: to get their man and make the evidence fit the
Speaker 2: case and the scenario they want.
Speaker 1: Exactly AND i just feel like for spouse cases that's
Speaker 1: even more so than any other. Case and THEN i
Speaker 1: just honestly sometimes feel like there are probably spouses serving
Speaker 1: sentences that maybe don't necessarily deserve.
Speaker 2: It, Right oh, yeah There's i'm sure lots of people
Speaker 2: out there who are innocentems are unfortunately serving.
Speaker 1: Time, yeah But i'm not saying that about this. Case
Speaker 1: so we're going to go over some details. Here so
Speaker 1: the fact that she never Reported bill as missing made
Speaker 1: her a suspect right off the. Bat that is a bit.
Speaker 1: Odd there was also a blanket inside one of the,
Speaker 1: suitcases wrapped Around bill's, torso with markings from a hospital
Speaker 1: supply company and the same kind of blankets used at
Speaker 1: the fertility clinic Where melanie was.
Speaker 2: Working, Oh, snael.
Speaker 1: That's kind of a big. One the suitcases were also
Speaker 1: the family's, suitcases Which, melanie though did admit. To apparently
Speaker 1: she reluctantly admitted. To but she did admit. To but
Speaker 1: technically the dude. Did she said that he packed up, bags, Right,
Speaker 1: SO i don't. KNOW i feel like if you literally
Speaker 1: were murdering your spouse like, that you would not dispose
Speaker 1: of them in your own. LUGGAGE i just feel that,
Speaker 1: Way but you never.
Speaker 2: KNOW i don't.
Speaker 1: Know what do they? Say common? Sense ain't that? Common?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Exactly you're get a lost FOR i really, am
Speaker 2: BECAUSE i am very torn with the idea Of, well
Speaker 2: clearly it fucking connects. Her but like you, said he
Speaker 2: did leave with luggage according to, her according to, her
Speaker 2: according to her, Exactly and a lot of this stuff
Speaker 2: is according to, HER i, Mean bill is no voice
Speaker 2: at this, point, Right so prove that it it wasn't. You, Yeah,
Speaker 2: like prove he took the. Luggage, yeah where is the?
Speaker 2: Witness where is this saying we have a missing individual
Speaker 2: found in the family? Suitcases you can't prove those left
Speaker 2: your possession.
Speaker 1: Exactly, so investigators Felt melanie was holding information back from,
Speaker 1: them but her, theory as shared on forty Eight, hours
Speaker 1: was that her husband's trip To Atlantic city may have
Speaker 1: put him in contact with some shady characters that he
Speaker 1: liked to gamble and had a knack for pissing people.
Speaker 1: Off bill's sister wouldn't believe That bill would ever lay
Speaker 1: a hand on a, woman and she and she never
Speaker 1: saw any, emotional, physical or verbal abuse aimed To. Melanie
Speaker 1: she also insisted That bill would never abandon his.
Speaker 2: CHILDREN i do want to say something real. Quick i'm fre.
Speaker 2: Me saying prove the suitcase almost makes me say that
Speaker 2: she is, guilty And i'm putting that point of view
Speaker 2: out to you guys. LISTENING i don't want to do.
Speaker 1: That, well, no but it makes sense, though because that's
Speaker 1: fishy as.
Speaker 2: Fuck, Yeah but also in that same, thing saying prove
Speaker 2: it wasn't you prove?
Speaker 1: It?
Speaker 2: What? Like? Yeah If i'm saying prove it, wasn't, well
Speaker 2: then the rhetorical question, is, well prove it.
Speaker 1: WAS i mean, yeah because, technically what if he was
Speaker 1: as mad and he threw all as, much he packed
Speaker 1: up as much shit as he possibly. Could, yeah and
Speaker 1: there was like one of those blankets or whatever already
Speaker 1: and in the luggage like or left in his vehicle
Speaker 1: or whatever it.
Speaker 2: Was SO i just want to make that clear that
Speaker 2: as much as we can point fingers and, say, well
Speaker 2: the evidence points to, you she can also, say, well
Speaker 2: why aren't you listening to? Me i'm technically a witness
Speaker 2: in this, Case so the argument goes both. WAYS i
Speaker 2: just want to make that clear That i'm not trying
Speaker 2: to tunnel vision you guys into making that evidence fit right.
Speaker 1: Exactly we can have our opinions at the end or.
Speaker 1: Whatever so police please search The maguire's, apartment their storage,
Speaker 1: unit And melanie's, car but no murder weapon tool used
Speaker 1: to cut Up bill's, body or any evidence for that
Speaker 1: matter of a crime scene was ever. Found AND i
Speaker 1: don't care how good you are at, cleaning if you
Speaker 1: literally chopped up a man's body in your. APARTMENT i
Speaker 1: think there would be something left.
Speaker 2: Behind there would most likely be.
Speaker 1: LIKE i DON'T i just can't understand how you would
Speaker 1: clean that up well enough.
Speaker 2: Unless you were extremely but even still it would be
Speaker 2: very very. Hard.
Speaker 1: Well one report said something like they believed she did
Speaker 1: it in the bathroom and that it was in the
Speaker 1: shower and she us like drape cloths or, whatever WHICH i,
Speaker 1: mean but like she has two, CHILDREN i don't even
Speaker 1: know how the hell she'd get away with. That but
Speaker 1: so the search was very. Extensive they literally like turned
Speaker 1: the place upside down in a number of, times including
Speaker 1: pulling apart or pulling down parts of the, wall pulling up,
Speaker 1: piping pulling up. Flooring, like they were. Extensive SO i
Speaker 1: just feel like if there was like that would be
Speaker 1: a massive amount of miss. THAT i just think something
Speaker 1: would have been left.
Speaker 2: Behind but m piping isn't notorious for catching in little
Speaker 2: grooves that that pea, trap that LITTLE u shape underneath
Speaker 2: your saint.
Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah, yeah like they something would have come. UP
Speaker 1: i feel like because they wouldn't have cleaned it that
Speaker 1: the piping and.
Speaker 2: Stuff and even if they she was able to get
Speaker 2: rid of all any sort of residue or, blood there
Speaker 2: would most likely be evidence of some serious cleaning and
Speaker 2: chemicals being.
Speaker 1: Used, totally, yeah which.
Speaker 2: They usually put in findings when that is the. Case
Speaker 2: and by the sounds of, it they didn't even find.
Speaker 1: That, yeah not THAT i. Saw. So so a lot
Speaker 1: of the forensic evidence that had been looked for on
Speaker 1: the body was, unfortunately or that would have been looked, for,
Speaker 1: sorry on the body was unfortunately destroyed in the water saturated.
Speaker 1: Suitcases but it was quickly determined That bill had been
Speaker 1: shot in the head and torso with the thirty eight caliber.
Speaker 1: Gun so they wanted to determine If melanie had ever
Speaker 1: owned a. Gun they searched gun records In New jersey
Speaker 1: to no. Luck but when they Searched pennsylvania because it
Speaker 1: was close and the state had a shorter waiting, period
Speaker 1: they discovered this is a, doozy That melanie had purchased
Speaker 1: a thirty eight caliber gun in that state forty eight
Speaker 1: priors hours prior To bill going. Missing, yeah two.
Speaker 2: Days oh, shit that does not look.
Speaker 1: Good that really doesn't look.
Speaker 2: Good it's one thing to own firearms and in the same,
Speaker 2: caliber but it's another to purchase. It then your husband
Speaker 2: go missing two days? Later? Yeah shit like?
Speaker 1: That. Yeah, so her reasoning behind this being That bill
Speaker 1: asked her to purchase the gun for protection in their
Speaker 1: new home and that he couldn't purchase it himself because
Speaker 1: he had a felony conviction due to a terrible driving,
Speaker 1: record which he did have a terrible driving, Right, OKAY
Speaker 1: i did see, That but that he asked her of,
Speaker 1: This oh my.
Speaker 2: Gosh does she know where the gun? Is what's her
Speaker 2: story for where the gun's at?
Speaker 1: Now she doesn't, Know she doesn't. Know, no they so
Speaker 1: they never found the.
Speaker 2: Gun i'm not too sure what certain state laws and
Speaker 2: stuff and such, are But i'm pretty sure that's a
Speaker 2: felony in itself missing.
Speaker 1: Firearm yeah maybe. Yeah, so and she had also been
Speaker 1: talking to a friend prior To bill's disappearance about the
Speaker 1: problems in her marriage and were in regards to getting
Speaker 1: a gun for her own. Safety it was never mentioned
Speaker 1: That bill wanted a, gun and this friend would go
Speaker 1: on testify and. Shit so. Okay So, melanie along with her,
Speaker 1: parents were put under, surveillance and authorities obtained a court
Speaker 1: order allowing them to secretly record hundreds of hours of
Speaker 1: phone conversations Between melanie and her family and friends in
Speaker 1: hopes that she may let something. Slip melanie always maintained her,
Speaker 1: innocence but what they would find was what they believed
Speaker 1: to be her motive for.
Speaker 2: MURDER i know this.
Speaker 1: Part it's always. This and that was the affair she
Speaker 1: had been having with Doctor Brad, miller her boss at
Speaker 1: the fertility clinic she was working.
Speaker 2: At she flewsy and.
Speaker 1: Around the affair had been going on for more than two.
Speaker 2: Years oh, geez, really which is?
Speaker 1: Wild? Okay so it actually started when she was pregnant
Speaker 1: with their second. Kid what it was like third week's
Speaker 1: pregnant or.
Speaker 2: Something i'm, sorry but what a? Bitch, well so is?
Speaker 1: He he's also married with young. Children they're Both, yeah because.
Speaker 2: He's a fucking douche canoe and she's a. Bitch they're
Speaker 2: perfect for each, other NOW i. Understand oh.
Speaker 1: Okay so they also found out That melanie was In
Speaker 1: Atlantic city the night after she Claimed bill left, her
Speaker 1: saying she went there to look for. Him she was becoming,
Speaker 1: angry angrier at her husband and suspected she knew where he,
Speaker 1: was and lo and, behold she found her his car
Speaker 1: in the Taj mahal casino parking, lot and as a
Speaker 1: gesture of, spite moved his car about one and a
Speaker 1: half miles away to The Flamingo, motel something they apparently
Speaker 1: did when they were angry at each, other which is
Speaker 1: real fucked in my what like that is just like really,
Speaker 1: weird that is because like THAT i couldn't even imagine
Speaker 1: doing that, too like being, Manned like how would you
Speaker 1: would just never find your?
Speaker 2: Vehicle, Ever i'm i'mar, okay how the fuck did she
Speaker 2: find his? Vehicle to start?
Speaker 1: With, well, here let me elaborate, here so BECAUSE i
Speaker 1: kind of go into that a little. Bit so that
Speaker 1: is Where bill's car was found by The but the
Speaker 1: prosecution questioned the valid validility of that. Story, validity, Validity,
Speaker 1: sorry it's all, Good oh my. Gosh? Kay DID i
Speaker 1: also mention That i'm really? Tired so If i'm pronouncing shit,
Speaker 1: wrong just be nice to. Me? Okay where AM? I?
Speaker 1: Okay so they questioned this, story being That Atlantic city
Speaker 1: at the time had thirteen large, casino hundreds of, restaurants,
Speaker 1: shops parking, garages and parking lots virtually all over the
Speaker 1: city that she made up the story after the media
Speaker 1: had reported the police had a video of someone Parking bill's,
Speaker 1: car because for her to be able to just stumble
Speaker 1: upon the, car, yeah them far. Fetched BUT i don't
Speaker 1: know because they were, married her knowing where he might
Speaker 1: be doesn't seem super far fetched me, because like what
Speaker 1: happens if she has they've foughten, Before like their marriage wasn't, great,
Speaker 1: right and she's already bailed him out from this casino
Speaker 1: or like knew that was the casino that he went
Speaker 1: to or.
Speaker 2: Something i'm not gonna say that someone's gonna go to
Speaker 2: the same casino every, time. Though. No, yeah put it this.
Speaker 2: Way what's my favorite beer in?
Speaker 1: Town Thousand?
Speaker 2: Peaks, okay If i'm mad And i'm storming off to
Speaker 2: go for a, beer are you gonna be able to
Speaker 2: go find my? Truck?
Speaker 1: NO i probably wouldn't have even.
Speaker 2: Go but if you go, looking would you be able
Speaker 2: to find my? Truck where my favorite beer? Is can
Speaker 2: you guarantee that? Restaurant that? Pub?
Speaker 1: No but maybe he's a man of.
Speaker 2: Habit maybe that's. TRUE i don't.
Speaker 1: Know i'm just Being devil's at, Yet.
Speaker 2: You're, right Everything i'm saying has the exact counter argument.
Speaker 1: Exactly, Yeah so the video when it was, released it
Speaker 1: was like or sorry when the police had released, this
Speaker 1: they never they didn't go into more detail because that,
Speaker 1: video the police had the individual parking, bills car had
Speaker 1: too much, glare so the video was actually rendered. Useless
Speaker 1: melanie did acknowledge how ridiculous her story. Sounded she. Does
Speaker 1: she acknowledges a lot.
Speaker 2: Of, shit Which i'm, Like so she went out found
Speaker 2: his car in a city of hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 2: people and then decided out of spite to park it somewhere.
Speaker 1: Else, Yeah and something else kind of interesting is the
Speaker 1: trip To Atlantic city had her passing through an electronic
Speaker 1: toll station with these charges appearing on her. Statement melanie
Speaker 1: called the company and attempted to have those charges. Removed
Speaker 1: she said this was a panic moment for. Her she
Speaker 1: absolutely tried to have those charges taken off because she
Speaker 1: feared that people would look and think what they ultimately
Speaker 1: ended up.
Speaker 2: Thinking, well of, course so she's trying to cover her.
Speaker 1: Tracks, yeah, yeah it looks.
Speaker 2: Bad it does look, Really so she tried to cover
Speaker 2: her tracks before talking to the, police not just trying
Speaker 2: to cover her.
Speaker 1: Tracks well, yeah, okay because there was Even, OKAY i didn't. Really,
Speaker 1: okay let me back trunk for a, sec because she
Speaker 1: had at one point just given the police a, tip
Speaker 1: oh like you might find his vehicle In Atlantic city or.
Speaker 1: Whatever but that she didn't tell them that she had
Speaker 1: already fucking been, there found it and moved. It. Yeah
Speaker 1: SO i mean that was also like her saying that
Speaker 1: she's the last person in the. Vehicle.
Speaker 2: Yeah, see if one's, husband ex, husband, whatever.
Speaker 1: Well they're still married and.
Speaker 2: Stuff, well someone you hate that you know of is,
Speaker 2: missing and you're going to go physically find the, vehicle move,
Speaker 2: it and then you're gonna lead police on a wild goose. Chase, Why,
Speaker 2: yeah what's the. Point, yeah if you know you've been
Speaker 2: in that vehicle and the police are talking to, you
Speaker 2: to save your own, ass you better fucking tell them
Speaker 2: exactly what, happened unless you're trying to hide. Something AND
Speaker 2: i guess as far As i'm, CONCERNED.
Speaker 1: I, MEAN i didn't put this in. There they believe
Speaker 1: that she had help with all of this, Too oh,
Speaker 1: Probably LIKE i, MEAN i think they literally believe that
Speaker 1: she drove the vehicle there to like plant.
Speaker 2: IT i believe that.
Speaker 1: Too So melanie made another suspicious trip in the days
Speaker 1: After bill went, missing this time To, delaware where she
Speaker 1: was allegedly furniture. Shopping prosecution believed this is When melanie
Speaker 1: drove the suitcases with her husband's remains To Chesapeake, bay
Speaker 1: because the first suitcase turned up the following, day But
Speaker 1: melanie denies, this insisting that there are hundreds of miles
Speaker 1: Between delaware And Virginia beach about three hours that there
Speaker 1: would not have been enough. TIME i, MEAN i do
Speaker 1: find it kind of questionable that she's just running the
Speaker 1: fuck all over the place when she has, Kids like
Speaker 1: she has to be watching these, kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah BUT i mean it's watching that if she has
Speaker 2: someone helping her baby sit the kids WHILE i go
Speaker 2: dump a body of hundreds of miles. Away so no
Speaker 2: one suspects, ME.
Speaker 1: I, know because there was talk about like the dad
Speaker 1: And i'm not sure it was her real father if
Speaker 1: this was like a, stepfather but there had been like
Speaker 1: this person brought up in stuff that it was, them
Speaker 1: because even apparently one report said that he even tried
Speaker 1: to phone to get rid of the toll oh shit.
Speaker 1: Too SO i don't, KNOW i don't. Know there's some fishy.
Speaker 2: Shita the problem is is when there's too many, coincidences
Speaker 2: it no longer becomes a.
Speaker 1: Coincidence well, yeah like even at we set at the
Speaker 1: set at the, beginning like can someone be this unlucky
Speaker 1: that they are literally doing all this shit at? Random, that,
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't, know it just seems a bit. Much so,
Speaker 1: eventually On june, second two thousand and, five as evidence
Speaker 1: was piling, up after dropping off her son's at, Daycare
Speaker 1: melanie was officially arrested and charged with murdering and dismembering her.
Speaker 1: Husband this was thirteen months after this discovery of the.
Speaker 1: Suitcases quite a lot of time.
Speaker 2: Passed, yeah no, Kidding SO.
Speaker 1: I feel like that made that seem like they were
Speaker 1: making sure their ducks were kind of in a row
Speaker 1: before they rested.
Speaker 2: Her sounds like.
Speaker 1: It. So at the, trial the prosecutor was prepared for,
Speaker 1: battle tellingers in her opening statement That melanie planned for
Speaker 1: her husband to, disappear and disappear he, did but the
Speaker 1: defense Said bill had tempted his own. Fate when you
Speaker 1: have money out on the street and you're behind and
Speaker 1: you're making, payments you know what. Happens you get shot,
Speaker 1: here and you get shot. Here as he points to
Speaker 1: his chest and. Head NOW i do want to, sorry go, Ahead,
Speaker 1: OKAY i just wanted to say, something AND i haven't
Speaker 1: said this, yet BUT i find it weird and never
Speaker 1: came up in any of my. Research but If bill
Speaker 1: had such a gambling problem and owed like in quotations people,
Speaker 1: money would he have been able to just purchase a?
Speaker 1: House would they have just been able to purchase almost
Speaker 1: a half a million dollar?
Speaker 2: Home, yeah that was kind of going to be WHERE
Speaker 2: i was going to. QUESTION i was just about to
Speaker 2: ask about their financial situations and their financial. Records if
Speaker 2: he had such a gambling, problem what sort of debt
Speaker 2: were they? In what sort of evidence is there of
Speaker 2: withdrawing these large sums of money or not making these,
Speaker 2: payments or buying a house and actually getting that credit
Speaker 2: check to. Pass so if he owed a shit ton of,
Speaker 2: money there's probably going to be large transactions of credit
Speaker 2: being drawn for him trying to pay that.
Speaker 1: Off, yeah AND i do not think that they would
Speaker 1: have been able to purchase.
Speaker 2: Home so was there any sort of evidence that you
Speaker 2: ran across from that she had nothing to prove this
Speaker 2: gambling addiction in. Court, no there was, nothing because there's
Speaker 2: no way you can sustain a gambling addiction on pure cash, Alone,
Speaker 2: yeah especially if you're borrowing from people on the street
Speaker 2: and then you lose it and they're, like you need
Speaker 2: to pay me back by fucking. Tomorrow Otherwise i'm coming
Speaker 2: to your house for your. Family you go into the.
Speaker 1: Bank, Yeah AND i mean like he was teaching at
Speaker 1: a college and, stuff, LIKE i, mean people with gambling
Speaker 1: addictions are all sorts of. People so oh, yeah BUT
Speaker 1: i don't, know just from the stuff THAT i, read
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like he was he had that. Issue
Speaker 1: AND i mean his sister didn't think, either but like
Speaker 1: she also thought that the couple was. Perfect SO i
Speaker 1: mean stuff behind hidden doors is you can hide a
Speaker 1: lot of, things, really oh you.
Speaker 2: Can but if there is a gambling, addiction money has
Speaker 2: a paper trail unless everything is strictly in. Cash, yeah
Speaker 2: the odds of that are super.
Speaker 1: Slim AND i feel LIKE i might touch on that
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Later but, yeah the, PROSECUTION i,
Speaker 1: believe looked into this and they couldn't find any evidence
Speaker 1: of anything like.
Speaker 2: This, Wow so now it's just her word.
Speaker 1: Again, Yeah so the events would say the state only
Speaker 1: focused On melanie and that there's no core evidence that
Speaker 1: shows she did, this just, Circumstances but the prosecutor argued
Speaker 1: the evidence like the, gun the, blanket and the suitcases
Speaker 1: were all. Compelling now to go over a bit more
Speaker 1: evidence that was found and presented in court THAT i
Speaker 1: haven't gone over, yet because there is. More when investigators
Speaker 1: Process bill's, car they found a bottle of the sedative
Speaker 1: chloral hydrate and two syringes similar to the ones used
Speaker 1: that the clinic Men melanie worked. At they traced the
Speaker 1: chloral hydrate back to A walgreens pharmacy just down the
Speaker 1: road from The Maguire Children's. Daycare the prescription was in
Speaker 1: the name of a woman who was a patient of Doctor.
Speaker 1: Miller AND i just wanted to, say when you drop off,
Speaker 1: prescriptions like they DON'T id or, anything do They? No
Speaker 1: AND i never really thought about that until, this But i'm,
Speaker 1: LIKE i feel.
Speaker 2: Like maybe they should start maybe.
Speaker 1: Really so it was filled at eight thirty two am
Speaker 1: On april twenty, eighth the date Of bill's. Disappearance the
Speaker 1: daycare Showed melanie dropping off her sons at eight twenty that,
Speaker 1: morning with The walgreens being about an eight minute drive.
Speaker 1: Away the prescription was on Doctor miller's prescription, pad But
Speaker 1: brad the doctor denied writing the, prescription and a handwriting
Speaker 1: expert testified that the writing was not, his but could
Speaker 1: neither identify nor exclude the signature as being done By,
Speaker 1: melanie and the person's name that the prescription was under
Speaker 1: testified that they had never gotten a prescription for. That.
Speaker 1: Wow so the prosecutor believed the crime was cruel and,
Speaker 1: calculated and That bill was heavily sedated Before melanie shot,
Speaker 1: Him but no evidence of the drug was found In bill's,
Speaker 1: body but it could be argued that his body was
Speaker 1: found too late to.
Speaker 2: Test SO i just had something come to me. Here
Speaker 2: if he was heavily sedated like they suggest when he was,
Speaker 2: shot that would imply her being able to subdue, him i.
Speaker 2: E being able to wrap him up in a tarpsay
Speaker 2: to help prevent messes or any sort of that. Situation
Speaker 2: who knows that.
Speaker 1: She was described, ALL i didn't put it in, here
Speaker 1: but like he as a fairly petite. WOMAN i don't
Speaker 1: know the size of, him but, yeah SO i, mean
Speaker 1: if there's a, will there's a. Way, YEAH i should
Speaker 1: Mention in regards To, brad he was always very adamant
Speaker 1: he had nothing to do with the crime or didn't
Speaker 1: know anything about. It So brad is Doctor Brad. Miller
Speaker 1: the police wanted him to prove, this so he, agreed
Speaker 1: agreed to wearing a. Wire he was very cooperative and
Speaker 1: there was no evidence to connect him to the, crime
Speaker 1: so he was never charged with. Anything he did also
Speaker 1: testify Against melanie at her, trial.
Speaker 2: Gotcha, okay, okay, so which probably pissed her.
Speaker 1: Off oh, Yeah LIKE i think she thought that was
Speaker 1: like a terrible, portrayal, right because there was even one
Speaker 1: DOC i read that even as he was like recording
Speaker 1: their conversations or wiring or whatever, like he was still
Speaker 1: like sexually active with, her which is so, discussed and
Speaker 1: that was kind of like a thing against his character
Speaker 1: because that seems a bit.
Speaker 2: Wrong, yeah that's that's shady as.
Speaker 1: Fuck so so we move on to the next, thing
Speaker 1: and that is The Maguire's internet search, history which had
Speaker 1: some very questionable.
Speaker 2: Searches oh you did tell me about this, too, actually.
Speaker 1: Including but not limited, to undetectable, poisons instant, poison instant undetectable,
Speaker 1: Poisons state gun, laws gun laws In, pennsylvania how to commit,
Speaker 1: murder how to commit, suicide insulin is a poison, chlorohydrate And, walgreens.
Speaker 2: And because that's WHERE i, KNOW i, know it's just
Speaker 2: like that was one way to wrap it up and.
Speaker 1: Where you.
Speaker 2: Get you, know if you're shopping At, walgreens you're gonna kill.
Speaker 2: SOMEBODY i Don't i've never been to A, walgreen SO
Speaker 2: i can't even talk negative or positive about. It ALL
Speaker 2: i know is that's one hell of a fucking search.
Speaker 2: HISTORY i.
Speaker 1: KNOW i, mean like we've said our search histories are,
Speaker 1: fucked but we also like have a true crime, podcast
Speaker 1: AND i don't think they, did so that's.
Speaker 2: True but to be, FAIR i don't think any of my,
Speaker 2: searches at least mine on my, computer are not how to,
Speaker 2: murder how to kill, someone undetectable poison like it's.
Speaker 1: Gonna Be, Yeah, no mine are quite.
Speaker 2: That mine's gonna be very, specific case oriented.
Speaker 1: One mine's always like how to pronounce, this how to pronounce?
Speaker 2: This, yeah mine is like looking FOR i don't, know
Speaker 2: like lesser known true crime cases or things like. That.
Speaker 1: Right so, yeah, okay so that list was even like.
Speaker 1: Longer really there was even more. SHIT a lot of
Speaker 1: it was actually about insulin AND i do feel like
Speaker 1: you would have to have a slightly medical background to
Speaker 1: potentially even think.
Speaker 2: Of insulin or a true crime podcast.
Speaker 1: Back, yeah LIKE i don't, know just like a Normal
Speaker 1: joe would know.
Speaker 2: That, well she is a, nurse isn't She she's a.
Speaker 1: Nurse, yeah so this looked very bad For. Melanie but
Speaker 1: she claimed as a, nurse she wouldn't need to look
Speaker 1: up those things if she wanted to look something. Up
Speaker 1: she had a physician's desk reference book that doesn't have
Speaker 1: a record of any search. History the defense showed they
Speaker 1: had no idea who made these, searches and this is,
Speaker 1: interesting there were apparently other searches seconds after the so
Speaker 1: called incriminating, searches where it was a website that Only
Speaker 1: bill could access via a.
Speaker 2: Password i'm going to go ahead and limb here and
Speaker 2: say that in two thousand and four was this, case
Speaker 2: a lot of people weren't too knowledgeable on search. Histories
Speaker 2: so why would you look it up at? Work just
Speaker 2: look it up at home when no one's looking, around
Speaker 2: and she has no idea that it's being recorded on
Speaker 2: a search.
Speaker 1: History, yeah but they would say That, Bill, yes right
Speaker 1: after something sketch was, Searched, yes how to murder? Someone
Speaker 1: that Something bill would only search was next and like
Speaker 1: needed a password to get.
Speaker 2: In, yeah but if she knew his, Password, yeah which very.
Speaker 2: Likely you know my passwords AND i know yours were.
Speaker 2: MARRIED i mean you.
Speaker 1: Could plan, That but then would you also just clear a?
Speaker 1: History BUT i think even if like you clear a,
Speaker 1: history the police can still.
Speaker 2: Look oh yeah you.
Speaker 1: Can but could you imagine If bill was actually planning
Speaker 1: to do something To melanie as, well or or something? Right,
Speaker 1: LIKE i don't. Know that seems sketch to. Me so
Speaker 1: the prosecution Believed melanie concocted an elaborate story to Explain bill's,
Speaker 1: absence beginning with the, fight then the restraining, order the,
Speaker 1: divorce and hints of shady, characters even though there was
Speaker 1: nothing to be found indicating That bill was involved with
Speaker 1: any criminal element, whatsoever so they looked into. This the
Speaker 1: defense was confident in saying the state not only failed
Speaker 1: to find them the murder, weapon a, motive or an
Speaker 1: accomplished it also failed to prove its own theory That
Speaker 1: melanie shot and Dismembered bill in their. Apartment they felt
Speaker 1: it was impossible for the crime to occur in that
Speaker 1: apartment without being there being any piece of, edmonds WHICH
Speaker 1: i do agree, with and being that it was an,
Speaker 1: apartment surely a neighbor would have heard the gunshot or
Speaker 1: saw like the sound of a sawing boneh not, necessarily
Speaker 1: but AND i didn't stick this in. There there was
Speaker 1: one report that said one of the bullets that was
Speaker 1: In bill had like fiber. RESIDUE i don't know how
Speaker 1: to describe, that fibers on. It, okay that was from
Speaker 1: LIKE i, think like a green cushion or, something so
Speaker 1: like they thought maybe they they kind of used the
Speaker 1: pillow as like a bit of a silencer or. SOMETHING
Speaker 1: i don't even know how that exactly would.
Speaker 2: Work but, YEAH i mean if you have if it's
Speaker 2: like a handsaw that you're just operating push, pole push,
Speaker 2: pull there's not gonna be any noise, really, right just
Speaker 2: the sawing Of.
Speaker 1: Oh that would make so, Long, no wouldn't It not that?
Speaker 2: Long it, Would but it's not that. Bad it's it's
Speaker 2: quicker than you. Think Because i'm saying this BECAUSE i
Speaker 2: am a. Hunter i've, BUTCHERED i, Understand i've cut through
Speaker 2: moose leg, bones which are much bigger than. Humans it's,
Speaker 2: tiring but it doesn't take that. Long bones are very
Speaker 2: close in density to like a fur, wood A douglas. Fur, oh,
Speaker 2: okay fairly. Close if you break a branch the size
Speaker 2: of A douglas, fur that's about equivalent to breaking a. Bone,
Speaker 2: yeah so sawing it is a little bit, different but
Speaker 2: it's close at. Least so you can saw through a
Speaker 2: two by, Four you probably close to sawing through the. Bone,
Speaker 2: however you need to have the know how to not
Speaker 2: saw through the meat because the meat will clog up your.
Speaker 2: Sauce you need to cut through the meat with a
Speaker 2: knife and then just saw the.
Speaker 1: Bone oh my.
Speaker 2: God that's so if you do that, correctly it's not that.
Speaker 2: Bad that being, said if you use like a reciprocating
Speaker 2: saw with a motor or, something, yeah then you muffle
Speaker 2: it with like a pillow over. Top it's just like
Speaker 2: coughing into a pillow makes.
Speaker 1: It Que AND i think they muffled like she was
Speaker 1: muffling the, gun is WHAT i.
Speaker 2: Meant oh, yeah same sort of, thing.
Speaker 1: SO i, mean which would also describe if she need
Speaker 1: a new. FURNITURE i don't. Know maybe she was using
Speaker 1: a couch cushion, maybe BUT i was just gonna SAY
Speaker 1: i saw a beautiful buck. Today. Wow the animals we
Speaker 1: had a. Moment it was so interesting because it like
Speaker 1: went by the road so slowly and then it just
Speaker 1: stopped on the side of the road and like drive
Speaker 1: by and like looked at, it and we just like
Speaker 1: looked at each other and it was like. Neither it wasn't,
Speaker 1: scared WHICH i was, like that's.
Speaker 2: Weird it was probably, thinking is that an alien has
Speaker 2: no idea what you? Are what the fuck is?
Speaker 1: That but, anyways really it was really. Cool. Okay So
Speaker 1: i'm not fully Convinced melanie didn't do, it BUT i
Speaker 1: still for some, reason don't believe the act was done
Speaker 1: in the. APARTMENT i feel like you could see the
Speaker 1: act potentially being in the apartment at this.
Speaker 2: Point, NO i don't believe it. Was i'm just not
Speaker 2: counting it, Out, Okay but my bet is, no definitely
Speaker 2: not the. Apartment.
Speaker 1: Okay, so after seven weeks had more than seventy. Witnesses
Speaker 1: In april of two thousand and, Seven Melanie maguire was
Speaker 1: found guilty of murder And july sentenced to life in.
Speaker 1: Prison other Than, bill the other victims in this case
Speaker 1: are the children in my. Opinion the court award a
Speaker 1: custody of the two sons To bill's, sister SO i
Speaker 1: can imagine she gave them a good, upbringing but they
Speaker 1: lost both their. Parents from WHAT i can, Find melanie
Speaker 1: has had any contact with them since her. Trial she
Speaker 1: said that the hardest part is not being there for her.
Speaker 1: Children her message to them is to make up your.
Speaker 1: Mind don't accept what you're just being told on the.
Speaker 1: Surface dig Dig these documents, exist the stuff, Exist it's out,
Speaker 1: there she. Said melanie still claims her innocence and insists
Speaker 1: the real killer is still out. There.
Speaker 2: Wow, WELL i mean there is a possibility of. THAT
Speaker 2: i don't see proof that she did, it BUT i
Speaker 2: also don't see proof that she didn't do. IT i
Speaker 2: know she has no. Alibi she doesn't have her gun,
Speaker 2: too because guns basically have a. Fingerprint if you have
Speaker 2: the bullet that was shot from the murder and you
Speaker 2: have the, gun you can prove if it was or was.
Speaker 2: Not she doesn't have that to. Prove the whole car
Speaker 2: thing sounds like a ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Fiasco SOMETHING i did forget to mention about the car,
Speaker 1: too is that there was they called it human, sawdust
Speaker 1: which is really weird in the, car so like on
Speaker 1: the floors and, stuff so like they felt maybe someone
Speaker 1: had it on their.
Speaker 2: Feet oh, okay like a like a trace. Amount, yeah. Gotcha,
Speaker 2: Okay SO i don't.
Speaker 1: Know and then she was the last one in there.
Speaker 1: Too but would you just drop that Was ripley my?
Speaker 1: Phone she walked by and stepped on the, cord got? It?
Speaker 2: NO i. Huh this is. Tough i'm not saying for
Speaker 2: certain that she did, it but my money is on
Speaker 2: the fact that she did do. It there's too much circumstantial.
Speaker 2: Evidence and BUT i highlight circumstantial, evidence but there's too
Speaker 2: much circumstantial evidence in my opinion to say that it's
Speaker 2: just that. Circumstantial, yeah too many coincidences are no longer a.
Speaker 1: Coincidence, yeah there's a LOT i. DO i feel LIKE
Speaker 1: i agree that she did, It but THEN i also feel,
Speaker 1: like how can someone literally like she's done a lot
Speaker 1: of interviews and, stuff and she does them because she
Speaker 1: feels that the real killer is out, there and SO
Speaker 1: i just like feel, like how could someone be that
Speaker 1: good at hiding? This and then ALSO i, mean like
Speaker 1: she was a mother and she had like, kids would
Speaker 1: she take their? Father away from, Them, LIKE i don't,
Speaker 1: KNOW i find that hard to.
Speaker 2: BELIEVE i do. TOO i ALSO i find it really
Speaker 2: hard to believe if you look at the fact, that,
Speaker 2: okay it was a gambling, addiction And i'm not saying he,
Speaker 2: didn't but, again it's really hard to. Prove but if
Speaker 2: he did have a gambling, addiction he did owe some
Speaker 2: people some serious cash and it came down to it
Speaker 2: was you pay us or your, life and well you
Speaker 2: didn't pay, us so it was his. Life how are
Speaker 2: they going to dispose of his? Body are these individuals
Speaker 2: really going to go through the trouble of chopping them,
Speaker 2: up putting them in multiple, suitcases and disposing them out at.
Speaker 2: Sea most likely they'll just dump a body somewhere because
Speaker 2: they've probably done this.
Speaker 1: Before, okay BECAUSE i almost thought the, opposite and THAT i,
Speaker 1: thought Like melanie wouldn't do something that. DRASTIC i feel
Speaker 1: like she would just like go dump them at, seat
Speaker 1: and that these scarier people. Would but, yeah like you,
Speaker 1: said they've probably done a million.
Speaker 2: Times like, yeah someone being chopped up and suitcases thrown
Speaker 2: it to. Seat to, me that's someone trying to hide,
Speaker 2: something someone who's just nonchalant killing over.
Speaker 1: Money, well did she think that those suitcases would? Sink? Maybe,
Speaker 1: HEY i don't.
Speaker 2: Know probably it seems someone trying to get rid of
Speaker 2: something and not being, experienced not, knowing making a. Mistake
Speaker 2: these people have done this. Before they've probably got a
Speaker 2: way of doing it where the bodies aren't, found or
Speaker 2: they just don't care because they can't prove it, anyways
Speaker 2: and they've done before and they get away with it every.
Speaker 2: Time or a bolt and the skull and they leave
Speaker 2: the body or. Something, yeah it doesn't add up to
Speaker 2: the story for.
Speaker 1: Me, yeah because really it just seems like there's pretty
Speaker 1: much right, now two options in a. Sense it's Like,
Speaker 1: melanie or it's That bill got himself in the situation or, whatever, right,
Speaker 1: yeah and OR i mean see completely random which, Happens,
Speaker 1: yeah completely not even thought of.
Speaker 2: Which generally when you find someone who picks random, victims
Speaker 2: usually they are the ones who does get away with.
Speaker 2: It do get away with.
Speaker 1: It, YEAH i don't. KNOW i don't. Know it's crazy this,
Speaker 1: this these. CASES i feel like we're as husband and
Speaker 1: wife and stuff just get. Me they get.
Speaker 2: Me why is?
Speaker 1: THAT i don't, know BECAUSE i just find it so
Speaker 1: hard to Believe.
Speaker 2: OKAY i thought it was like because you can relate
Speaker 2: to it and you want to kill me or.
Speaker 1: Something, yeah there's another one on my. List IF i
Speaker 1: do a, third does that make me look weird a little?
Speaker 2: Bit, Yeah i'm going to start being real concerned here.
Speaker 1: Because there was that. ONE i feel, like is it The?
Speaker 1: WATTS i think is their last? NAME i kind of What?
Speaker 1: WATTS i think what what?
Speaker 2: EXACTLY i don't.
Speaker 1: Know i'm pretty sure That's Chris. WATT i don't. KNOW
Speaker 1: i think that was their. Names but that's on my list.
Speaker 1: Too but AFTER i was, LIKE i can't do that.
Speaker 1: One i'll literally look like because SOMETIMES i also feel
Speaker 1: LIKE i do too many cannibalism ones too.
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