Speaker 1: Then Rex and I.
Speaker 2: Hello everyone, welcome back to a new episode of the
Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. You're gonna
get a wild time. Sunday July twelfth, twelve, twenty one
pm is when I'm recording. You might be able to
hear it in my voice. I have been battling a
wicked case of strep throat. That's why I did not
do the podcast up until today. But we do have
a couple of interviews that my guy Remco grabbed when
he was down there during Day six of the main event.
I do want to play those for you guys to
ultimately continue to tell this story. So we're just gonna
have to power through this one and talk about in
day six. I know you guys are going to be
listening to this when Day seven is running, but hopefully
we'll get caught up and then I'll be able to
resume a normal schedule come the end of day seven.
Sixty two players remain from Day six. Those sixty two
players are guaranteed one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Tyler
Gaston leads the way. Tyler Gaston, Blake Baruss, Shaolu, Mario Boos,
hosting Enson the twenty nineteen winner Ramy Hamoud jung Ji Tang,
Malcolm trainor the run that this kid is on. I
believe he's twenty six or twenty seven years old. Australian kid,
of course, came onto the scene a couple of years
ago when he won the WSP Mystery Millions for a
million dollars and then he just won the recently revived
Hauzy Million's main event back in April. I think it
was so one that so Malcolm Trainer. This kid's just
on fire, sitting in ninth place coming into day seven,
the one, the only Todd Brunson. That's pretty damn cool
if you ask me.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: Todd Brunson is going strong and he is the first
of three interviews that we're gonna play today. Remco caught
up with Todd Brunson during Day six and here is
that interview for you now.
Speaker 4: Todd, how much fun is it to go deep in.
Speaker 5: The Big One? Oh? There's nothing more fun to going
deep in the main event.
Speaker 6: As far as your experience, what do you use specifically
in the main that gives you an edsuance? Uh?
Speaker 5: Well, I only played a no limit hold of pretty
much once a year, so just every time, I don't know,
watch young kids what they do and then make adjustments
for my game.
Speaker 6: I guess the studying is like a big conversation point
among like the upcoming young crowd. What do you take
from their playing style? And then how do you see
what they do and how does it help your game?
Speaker 4: Perhaps?
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, like I just said, you watch what they
do and kind of make some adjustments and do a
few things a little bit differently.
Speaker 6: And as far as playing mixed games year round, is
it a big adjustment to step into this event's deep stack?
Speaker 4: Obviously slow structures.
Speaker 7: Do you have time?
Speaker 4: But does it take some mental adjustments or other specifics?
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, this is completely different than mixed games. I
mean completely different. So yeah, it's you know, that's why
it's fun.
Speaker 6: Ten million dollars at top. We're now getting into thick
of things. Do you notice the adrenaline rising. Is this
different than a few days ago?
Speaker 5: Well? Yeah, of course it always builds a little bit.
But I don't. I just worry about what's happening right
now this table, and you know stuff like I don't,
I don't worry about tomorrow, not yet.
Speaker 6: Take us back to the first time you played the
main event. You remember what year it was and what
the circumstances were.
Speaker 5: First time I played the main event, the first time
I signed up for the main event, I want to satellite.
So back then, we never start at twelve. Sometimes it
would start like at three. They like waited for people
and stuff. And I was sitting there waiting to play,
and I got a tap on the shoulder and Jack
Benny would like to speak with you. He said, okay,
and he came and said, you know, Todd, you're only nineteen,
and he goes, I'd let you play, but I'm under
indictment and I just can't fade the heat right now.
Said I understand, Jack, no problem. They give me my
you know, money back, and then I want a satellite again.
The next year and I played this, I signed up again.
I got the tap on the shoulder again, and Jack
had a smile on his face. I walked up and
I pulled out a fake ID and I showed him.
I said, I have a fake ID, Jack, and he
said he looked at it and goes, well, you're a
little too well known. If you win, I don't think
they're gonna believe you're Joe Brown, so you can't. I
don't think you can. It's a good idea for you
to play again, I said, okay.
Speaker 4: And then the following year you did play for the
first time.
Speaker 5: I believe I did. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And do you have a memory of what the sort
of aura or the excitement.
Speaker 4: Around the main event was back then?
Speaker 7: Because we know all this, would.
Speaker 5: You also know what it used to be like? Well,
I mean it was always special, it was special back then.
And yeah, along the early years, I got really deep
and I was like the chip Ley with twenty people
left and I think I finished thirteenth. So that was
my best finish football beat that in this one.
Speaker 7: That'd be great.
Speaker 6: Final question, Your dad's legacy in poker, but especially also
in the main band is unmatched. I was fortunate enough
to be there when you guys both made the final
table to produced a couple of years ago. Does his
memory ring a little stronger on days like today where
you're battling the way your.
Speaker 4: Dad used to and you know, perhaps you know like
channel it.
Speaker 7: A little bit.
Speaker 5: I wish I had a good answer, but no, nothing
I ever think about.
Speaker 4: But it's great to see he has never lived on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, yeah, the only time we think about
it is like the UH used to have a family
group chat that's not there anymore that I would update
or something.
Speaker 2: But yeah, that was todd cool to hear that little
story about how he tried to get into the main
event when he was nineteen, when he was twenty bold underage,
ultimately didn't make it in thanks to Jack Binni. But
here he is now and he's going strong. Lucas Jumalan
is in. Antonio Galliana. Antonio Galliana is a two time
up Visit Pe Bracelet winner out of Spain. I believe
he played a wild hand. Think it was the five
K six Max five. I don't know. It was like bluff, bluff, bluff.
I think it was against Johann Gilbert, but he bluffed
with I don't know, some crazy hand. It's just an epic,
epic hand anyway, But he's still in. Jamie Shavell in
Maxim Shilo is still in as well. Giuseppe Pantaleoi. Pantaleo
was the beneficiary of a punt. I'll say it from
TJ Reid.
Speaker 7: TJ.
Speaker 2: Reid, I think might have four or five bet with
King Queen or Heath four bet and Pantaleo five bet.
He called it came Queen High Hall Spades. They got
the money in. Toby Lewis, I don't know why I
said that, Oh, because I'm looking at Romaine Lewis's next
on these chip counts.
Speaker 5: T J.
Speaker 2: Reid had King Queen with the King of Spades, Pantaleo
had Aces with the Ace of Spades, and that ultimately busted.
Speaker 1: TJ.
Speaker 7: Reaid.
Speaker 2: I'll get into the bust outs in a minute. Romaine
Lewis still in, Ralph Perry still in Han Fang is
in there. Brock Wilson we talked about how brock Wilson
a few different times during the summer, how it just
really hasn't been his summer for as hot as he
was for the first part of the year. But here
he is trying to make it all go away with
one run in the World Series of Poker main event.
Michael Aguiano gags he's still in Alan Signier, This guy
Alan Sannier. He is playing some wild poke rout there.
He is not scared at all to pull the trigger
on some big, big bluffs and he has been doing
it and it has been working out very well for him.
Daniel Savas, Will Gibbons. Will Gibbons is still in the mix.
A little bit more tamed was Gibbons on Day six
than he was on Day five. We all know his
story now. If you missed it, go back an episode
or two and listen to the interview with him. Or
he was banned from Caesar's properties up until about three
or four weeks before this summer, got a lawyer, got
back in. He made one final table in the fifteen
hundred plo. He made a deep run in the Millimaker,
and here he is making a deep run in the
WSP main event. Greg Mueller FBT himself is in the mix.
Mark Troupp, this guy had a wild start to Day five,
came into Day five super early on. He he gets
aces versus Ace King on back to back hands, doubled
up both times, so a huge start to his Day five.
Ultimately has now been able to run that into a
Day seven appearance. Sean Deep is still in the mix.
Sean Deep, Tina doesn't care brought it up is to
be main event. I don't know, I don't know if
he's I don't know if he's just bsing us with
this whole talk or if he really legitimately doesn't care.
Either way, I'll let you guys decide on it. I
haven't decided on it, but maybe you guys can decide.
Because Remco did speak with him, and he asked him about,
you know, being in the main event and not necessarily
caring about it. And here's that interview with Sean Deep.
Speaker 6: Now shaw, deeep, how bothered are you by going Deep
in the main That's the worst feeling ever.
Speaker 7: Everyone's so excited. I'm so apathetic. I can't wait to
bust and go play the fucking three hundred dollar Gladiator.
You know, I treat poker a little differently. I think
I'm the only one getting too much sleep so far
in the main Everyone else is talking about lack of sleep.
I sleep better than ever. Yeah, it's, you know, a
different mindset way I see poker and spots like this.
And you know, I always talk about emotional control and
something I'm very good at, and you know, I just
don't get excited about anything, and it helps me not
get dejected when things are going poorly.
Speaker 6: So what is it about your mindset in this particular
event versus the rest of the summer that's so different.
Speaker 7: No, I mean I have the same mindset and this
as every other one. Like, I'm happy to bust and
go on into the next tournament. That's probably the reason
why I bust them so often. And you know my
goal is Player of the Year, and so I'm trying
to get the most Player of the Year points I
can get out of one, even though it's really hard.
So that just means at this point surviving and fine tabling,
and so that's what all makes sure I do.
Speaker 6: The money equity, of course, grows with each passing day.
You have a big stack, you have a lot of experience.
How much how much? And when is that going to.
Speaker 7: Be a factor. I doubt if I ever thought it
would affect my game, you know, I'd reach out to
JMO and sell some action, you know, at ICM or
probably ICM premium because this field remaining is very soft
right now. So yeah, I'm not really worried, you know.
I know, if I bust immediately or if I win,
my life ain't gonna change that much. Obviously, winning changes
a little bit. My wife will spend a little bit
more on the house we're building. My kids will you know,
one of my kids ask for a Lamborghini if in
the main. You know, they're smart kids, they know what
they could get. But no, it'll just you know, probably
keep me home even more than I already am. You know,
I'm pretty much only there. Actually, I don't think it'll
affect my travel schedule if I win, But who knows,
maybe sponsorhip will give me enough mine adjustif by leaving
a little more.
Speaker 6: Why does the prestige of POY drive you so much?
And I've never heard you talk about the prestige of
the main.
Speaker 7: I think POY is the hardest thing to win, and
it's the thing where skilled determination volume are the most
important thing to succeed there. And the main is just
so much variance. There's so much table draws. You know,
I gotten two flips or it's almost all in. I
lose either of those, I'm out. Like, there's not really
a way to overcome a ten thousand person field in
a reasonable you know, sample size once a year. So
for that reason, I've never really treated put on the
pedestal that other people put it on, because I know
that you know the spot I'm in, it won't come
off and come in very often in my career, and
it's just nothing based on skill. It just I've had
great tables. I've had won the key hands and you know,
made some hands on the river and that's just kind
of why I'm here instead of other people. But you know,
I've definitely stolen my fair share of pots and that's
how I have as many chips I do.
Speaker 4: Are you at least having fun?
Speaker 7: Oh, it's like people try so hard in this term
and to like play good, to play a particular way,
to be like I'm talking of, I'm this like, you know,
I've met some cool people. I will say in this event.
There's two I can think of that I really enjoyed
my interactions with them. But some people are just like
so stiff because it's too big of a spot for them.
So thankfully, you know, my table yesterday at the Future
table was and was very light, you know, emotionally physically.
I think they're all doing play well. Financially they all
weren't you know, serious poker pro So we had a
good time last night at stream. Unfortunately the given show
people didn't watch in May hand, So hopefully next year
they have multiple streams because I think my table, if
it was stream for two hours, would have been more
entertaining from a conversation standpoint than a play standpoint.
Speaker 6: Final question, is it a case of a final table
or bust taking more risks or are you still locked
into play in your game?
Speaker 7: I mean my mindset every tournament. No, you know, obviously,
the page the POI jumps are so fucking small this
whole tournament until tenth to ninth that's you know, and
even then the money is so much that I'm still gonna,
you know, play real poker and good poker. So yeah,
poys an afterthought ish, But if I bust the main
I'm be happy because I get to go play something else,
like I you know, it doesn't matter how I bust,
I'll be in whatever event registration's open on. So that
was deep.
Speaker 2: I don't know, man, it's the main event, buddy, and
you can win ten million dollars and I think there's
nineteen hundred points up top for the Player of the
Year race sema as well, just win this tournament and
win player of the year, Like that's how you do it, right.
Thomas Klak still in. Jacob Thibodeau aka Tibbs played with
him a lot around town. Very very solid player, very
unassuming like no one would know him or recognize him.
He's out of Alaska, but he did move down here
to Las Vegas. I've played with him at when I've
played with him at Venetian, you know quite a bit.
Played with him at the w SB a couple of
years ago. Was always extremely tough. Seems like a very
good player who puts a lot into his game, and
here he is seeing all that work come to fruition
in a big way with a deep run here in
the main LORI Shashkilatti. I hope I didn't butcher that
last name. He's still a ehar Soika. He's a high roller.
Is Soika making some waves here? I'm gonna butcher this
one for sure. Eva Gorris Eva Goru in the mix,
Jason Cornegae, Kayasuke Nagami, Sashin Josie. He played extra reely
well on a stream for day six. Even though I
am pretty much bedridden for the past day and a half,
I've had the stream on NonStop, So I guess that's
the silver lining here. You know, when I'm there at
Paris and Horseshoe, you know you can't always watch the
stream because you're out there on the floor you're trying
to get a feel what's happening, talk to people, et cetera.
But being at home, you know, I was able to
watch the stream pretty much NonStop from start to finish,
so it was really really good. Christopher, George Still and
Patrick Leonard Pads himself on an absolute rush. Pads went
to the England Mexico game down in Mexico City, came
back registered late on Day two d and here he
is running deep with sixty two players left heading to
day seven in the main event. And he is the
third and final player that Remco talked to on a
Day six. So let's hear from Patrick Leonard.
Speaker 7: Now, is it coming home? It may be coming home.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure why which fell to maybe come home
in but uh, I'll take either either of them, to
be honest.
Speaker 6: So yeah, So how do you how you do weigh
these England winning the World Cup or you winning the
main Event.
Speaker 3: I don't think there's much chance of England winning the
World Cup again, but I may win the main event again,
so I might give my one time to England and
just back myself to have a deep run again in
the future.
Speaker 5: I guess you've been.
Speaker 6: One of the most consistent performers live and online for
such a long time.
Speaker 7: What would a break up performance and the main mean
to you? Hm? Interesting?
Speaker 3: Uh, probably not too much, to be honest, I've actually
always struggled with celebrating wins. I feel like once I
win something that I feel as big at the time, afterwards,
I'm empty, you know, I realize kind of like the
journey's amazing, like playing now, meeting all these people, it
feels great, but the destination isn't always as happy as
you think it may be. I'm very, very close friends
with espen and I was with him on a rail
from this point all the way on, and he had
a great time around about now, and of course he
enjoyed winning, but he didn't enjoy winning as much as
he thought he may do. So being next to him
and seeing him like that is trying to make me
enjoy the right now. You know, if I win, it's
going to be amazing, It's going to be a lot
of look involved, and obviously I feel great, I feel proud,
But right now I'm just focusing on each hand, getting
to know all of the opponents at the tables, and yeah,
I genuinely met probably twelve new friends here that I'm
going to see in the corridors for the next twenty years.
And as corny as it sounds, that feels like more
of a wind than money, you know. So yeah, that's
why I'm kind of trying to see it right now.
Speaker 6: There. How much of the game that you've been studying,
that you've been working off for all these years, can
you really apply at this stage in a tournament against
this type of field?
Speaker 3: A lot When I think about poker and studying, I
spend a lot of hours, but I'm usually a sim
will come up, a spot will come up, and I'll
usually say, well, what does this actually mean in life?
You know, like if they do a slight bit less
of this year, which direction do I go in? Also,
like how much your hand's worth?
Speaker 7: You know, the solver will.
Speaker 3: Often tell you to play you know, let's say like
a queen nine offseuit or a seven opposite be these hands,
I'm making very little amount of money, like zero point
zero one in ev in terms of big blinds, whereas
you might get a spot where you flip a set
or you have aces or whatever where you're making you know,
like infinite more ev than the solver would do so
kind of being conscious about you know, the future game
and protecting my stack and just being in that seat
for the next hand, in the hand after is better
than trying to like maximize an edge and chase that
last point one, you know. But yeah, just every spot's
just a new puzzle. I'm just trying to solve work
it out basically each one.
Speaker 6: Is there anyone in this field right now that knows
more poker, has studied more, and is more ready for
this moment?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't mean this from like
an egotistical point of view, like I've devoted a lot
of my life to poker. I've sacrificed a lot.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 3: Maybe I know, maybe I know more about how to
play Jack nine in the cutoff, but maybe they know
more about some stuff which I wish I would know
more of. You know, I understand that I've kind of,
you know, my life could have went in lots of
different directions, and I give a lot to it to poker,
But that meant that I've kind of lacked in some
other areas too. And play in this tournament, you play
with people who have ten thousand dollars for a reason,
whether they be a teacher, whether they be you know,
working business, whether they own a restaurant, and they will
often probe my mind about, oh, like should I have
done this or not? And I will often probe their
mind like, oh, you know, like how does insurance.
Speaker 7: Work under this or whatever?
Speaker 3: You know, And yeah, I think I'm I think I'm
very prepared for this spot, and yeah, I'm confident in that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Final question, how is it possible to still have fun
when the stakes are this high? There's so much adrenaline
and so much fatigue in this big moment.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you have two directions. You can think about, Okay,
we're playing you know, like ten twenty thousand dollars blinds,
or you can just think, you know, I have like
thirty two big blinds and I'm supposed to do X,
Y or Z. You know, I've played a lot of
very high stakes torments online where it's gotten to the
crungender things and I've kind of crumbled, you know, I've
seen it as being too high. I haven't taken the spot,
and I don't want to spend today trying to live tomorrow.
You know, I don't want to think, Oh, I want
to make day seven.
Speaker 7: I'm here right now.
Speaker 3: I need to live now, I need to execute, I
need to do what I need to do. And that's
not always you know, like playing big because the stakes
because I don't want to be scared. Sometimes it is
being a little bit scared. Sometimes it is surviving. Sometimes
it is preservation, you know. And that's kind of the
beautiful thing about poker is that you have to wear
risk rewards the future of the now. And yeah, teachers
a lot about life, I think too, and it's the
beautiful game.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 2: That was Pads always a pleasure to have Pads on
the microphone, and he seems like he's just taking it
all in, having a blast with it off. You guys
follow Pads on social media. You know, he's just really
trying to live through this moment and you know, make
the best of this run. Edward Sacrist pair Stillan, Brian Larkin,
Carlos Chata. You used to play a lot of high
Rollers and then I feel like he dipped out of
the high Rollers scene for a little while. But Carlo
is a very good player. Also, Tolga Karakaya, Archimedes Arenas, Berkeley, Yon,
John Lee Wang, Dennis Carlson, Ricardo Cermino, Michael o'connoran and
Dylan Smith. I'm gonna get to Dylan Smith, who is
one of the best all around poker players in the world,
but also a very very good Nolan Holden player. Believe
he won a WPT from Seminole not too long ago.
Dylan Smith is one of those guys who has really
stormed onto the scene in the recent three to five
years maybe, and one of the best. Can play all
the games and can play them extremely well. Is out
of Florida, or at least that's where he resides now.
And another player who's always drafted in twenty five K
fantasy also also has a bracelet, does Dylan Smith, which
I think he won earlier this year. Vladimir Belokov, Harturis
straskis a Rosher Vaziri, Ori Elou latches Are Petkov. Matt Lapasse.
Matt Lapasse is a name it sticks out to me.
I've covered him before or something, but been around a while.
Canadian player Henrik Turner, John Weiss, Jeff Weiss. I'm gonna
guess no relation, but you never know. Aki hero Konishi,
Thomas McDonald, David Kluckman. I should look up Kanishi as
we do Oka hero Kunisi because on the broadcast last night,
I think Nick Shulman was questioning if if they had
seen this guy before and if he had made a
deep run in the wsit being main event before I
looked it up. I don't see a deep run in
the main event from Nick was saying maybe last year.
But what he might be thinking of is Kanishi got
second place in the WSP Europe Main Event this year
in April for one point two million euros or one
point three a two million dollars. So Kanishi crushing this
year with that run, that second place mentioned in the
WSPORT main Event and now here Final sixty two of
the WSP Main Event. Thomas McDonald, David Kluckman, Marshall, Diigel,
Kanya Zang. She is the lone female remaining, but she
is third to last in chips. Caid Lattenbacher Caid's out
of I think Michigan a very young kid. I have
played with him a bit in some events around town
at the win at Venetian, et cetera. He's he's very young.
He won a bracelet events I think online on through
the Michigan website, either a year or two ago. He's
the second sort of stack returning. Then Gregory Brown. Gregory
Brown is the short stack remaining. Gregory Brown is he
was on a Venetian streamer too that that Rimku and
I did coverage on. So yeah, so that's who we
got advancing to a day seven, and then just quickly
some of the players that we did lose on a
Day six. We lost Aaron Barone, dutch Boyd hit the raal,
Lauren Klein was bounced as well. There's gonna be some ramifications,
I guess from the tank that Lauren Klein was in.
I'm still at home, gonna be staying home today, but
I'm hearing that they're instituting shot clocks and that used
to be made event, which is absolutely bananas to me
to be able to do that for day seven. So
we'll see what comes of that.
Speaker 6: TJ.
Speaker 2: Reid went out, Ryan Miller went out. I mean, I
think I'm pretty safe to say that I think Ryan
Miller might have made one of the worst folds in
WS to be made of industry, and that's probably gonna
be one that's haunting him for quite some time. Free
Jeteen also out. Jeremy Hyman to dance Da Villa. We
lost him as well. We lost Sewn Winter Shawn Winter
got very very short, ultimately busted with ACE six versus tens.
We lost Caitlyn Kameski, hit the rail, was that an
exisca and uh so Hedwala all busted out on day six.
So that's the pot, short and sweet. I gotta go
lay it back down before I die anymore. But sixty
two players remaining entering at day seven. Hopefully tonight I'll
be rested enough that I'll be able to get one
of these out on a more normal schedule. So thanks
for bearing with me, guys. I'm a bit bummed that
I wasn't able to continue the trend of doing one
every single day, but hopefully we're back and uh that's it.
That's the pot. So my name is Donnie Peters and
I'll talk to you guys next time.
Speaker 1: Adn't the change expressed, Okay,