Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: My name's Roy Jeomey.
Speaker 1: I live in Redondo Beach, California.
Speaker 2: I'm playing golf with Fred at Rancho Park. This is
Speaker 2: Golf Smarter, Episode nine hundred and ninety four.
Speaker 1: I've been very lucky. I've spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: talking with people that knew him well, and there are
Speaker 1: probably some folks. I think of one of my dearest friends,
Speaker 1: Sidney Matthew, who's a great golf history down in Tallahassee.
Speaker 1: Sidney probably knows more about my grandfather than I ever will.
Speaker 1: And I said, well, you need to tell this story,
Speaker 1: and Sidney would say to me, no, you do coming
Speaker 1: from me, it means nothing. He said, I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell you a little secret. If you don't tell the stories,
Speaker 1: then you're leaving it for somebody else too, who may
Speaker 1: not have the same love for your grandfather that you do.
Speaker 1: I've never really forgotten that, and so I see that
Speaker 1: very much as a responsibility. I've often said that one
Speaker 1: of the goals is to make my grandfather come alive
Speaker 1: in color for a new generation, and what that means
Speaker 1: is seeing him not just as somebody about whom we
Speaker 1: tell funny stories, is somebody who did great things on
Speaker 1: the golf course, and all of those things are true,
Speaker 1: but as somebody that was a real flesh and blood
Speaker 1: human being who had many, many great personality traits and
Speaker 1: many that were not so great. And that's important because
Speaker 1: if the man becomes a real, honest to God human being,
Speaker 1: then it kind of makes what he did even more special.
Speaker 2: Growing up with the name Bobby Jones comes with pressure
Speaker 2: and pride with grandson doctor Bob Jones. Four. This is
Speaker 2: Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf
Speaker 2: minds to help you lower your score and raise your
Speaker 2: golf IQ.
Speaker 1: Here's your host, Fred Green.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. Bob.
Speaker 1: It's great to be with you, as always, Fred, it's
Speaker 1: been too long.
Speaker 2: It's been a year. Well, no, I think we did
Speaker 2: something mid year. Did we do something mid year with
Speaker 2: doctor Joe parent or two years ago?
Speaker 1: That was two years ago?
Speaker 2: Actually, oh, that's when I came back from my Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I introduced you guys when I came back and then yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't remember when it was, but yeah, maybe it's
Speaker 2: been a year since we've talked to each other. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 2: on the podcast, we communicate with each other on a
Speaker 2: regular basis because we've become friends and I'm so touched
Speaker 2: and honored by your friendship.
Speaker 1: Well that goes both ways, Fred, So thank you.
Speaker 2: Thank you. So. Now you know, like this week, as
Speaker 2: always when we talk, it's a week of the Masters. Yes,
Speaker 2: we're your grandfather, Bob Bobby Jones, created the event, built
Speaker 2: the golf course, and the legacy continues to grow. Yes,
Speaker 2: and actually it's coming up to a really big event.
Speaker 2: The timing of it for your grandfather, correct.
Speaker 1: Well it is, well, it is. You know. One of
Speaker 1: the things that's happened starting in twenty twenty three is
Speaker 1: we've come up on the one hundredth anniversary of all
Speaker 1: of my grandfather's major championship wins. In twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: we celebrated one hundred year of his one hundred years
Speaker 1: of his first United States Open victory at Inwood Country
Speaker 1: Club outside of New York, and then in last year
Speaker 1: was a one hundredth anniversary of his twenty four US
Speaker 1: Amateur win at Marion. This year will mark one hundredth
Speaker 1: anniversary of the US Amateur victory at Oakmont. Interestingly enough,
Speaker 1: that is the only time in US Amateur history where
Speaker 1: the finals have been contested by two members of the
Speaker 1: same club.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Yes, Bubb defeated Watt's Gunn, who was also a member
Speaker 1: of the Atlanta Athletic Club, and to win his second
Speaker 1: consecutive United States Amateur in twenty five. Another little tidbit
Speaker 1: on that that people forget Bub, but Bub beat Watts
Speaker 1: pretty badly in that final, and of course he beat
Speaker 1: everybody pretty badly the final, but nobody remembers is Watts played.
Speaker 1: Remember this is nineteen twenty five. Now, Watts played like
Speaker 1: ninety holes of golf at even par on Oakmont, which then,
Speaker 1: as now, is just a staggering statistic. Yeah, absolutely staggering statistic.
Speaker 2: Huh Yeah, that's really remarkable. And help us understand, give
Speaker 2: us a perspective on how in the days that we're
Speaker 2: talking about, the early twenties, how important amateur golf was
Speaker 2: to the game itself, because it's radically changed. It really
Speaker 2: changed in this century with Tiger.
Speaker 1: In this century. Yes, amateur golf in the early really
Speaker 1: the amateur golf up until probably the nineteen seventies, amateur
Speaker 1: golf was very much its own game, and it was
Speaker 1: not necessarily considered to be a feeding ground for the
Speaker 1: professional for the professional game in the nineteen twenties when
Speaker 1: my grandfather played, the people who played in the amateur
Speaker 1: game were every bit as good as the professionals. Professionals
Speaker 1: in those days were mainly people who had club jobs
Speaker 1: who would play in tournaments to supplement their income, and
Speaker 1: the amateurs, and in fact the amateurs for example, if
Speaker 1: you were an amateur and I was a professional, you
Speaker 1: would be listed on the score sheet as mister Fred Green.
Speaker 1: I would simply be listed on the score sheet as Bob.
Speaker 2: Jones because of an I get that, because you.
Speaker 1: Were an answer that's correct, you would get mister I
Speaker 1: would not. And here's the interesting thing. In the United Kingdom,
Speaker 1: I believe, all the way into the nineteen fifties, I
Speaker 1: think professionals were not allowed in the clubhouse at all.
Speaker 1: They would have to change their shoes in the parking lot.
Speaker 1: Whoa yes. And one of the things that was really
Speaker 1: interesting about that too. You also have to remember in
Speaker 1: a lot of golf tournaments, let's even in professional tournaments,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a question of the top players in the field.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the field who made the cut got a paycheck.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that way at all. If you finished outside
Speaker 1: the top I don't know. If you finished outside the
Speaker 1: top twenty, you didn't make anything. And even if you
Speaker 1: finished in the you know, tied for twentieth, you might
Speaker 1: make fifty dollars, one hundred dollars.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it wasn't going to pay your expenses for
Speaker 2: the week, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: No, No, That's why the Masters was always a very
Speaker 1: radical tournament, and that was any professional who teed it
Speaker 1: up got a check. And there were a lot of
Speaker 1: things about the Masters that were absolutely radical because that
Speaker 1: never really sat well with my grandfather that professionals were
Speaker 1: treated so, as he would say, shabbily by the golfing establishment.
Speaker 1: So when he created the Masters, he wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure that he wanted to make sure that the professionals
Speaker 1: were treated well, that they were able to come into
Speaker 1: the clubhouse, that nobody got entered on the scoreboard differently
Speaker 1: just because of their status within the game, and he
Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that everybody out a check. Now,
Speaker 1: some of that was driven by the fact that this
Speaker 1: is a tournament that's being held in Augusta and early
Speaker 1: at this point, originally in March, and so he had
Speaker 1: to do something to get their interests to come. But
Speaker 1: it also had to do too with a lot of
Speaker 1: his own sense of fairness. But yeah, but golf in
Speaker 1: the twenties, the amateur game in many ways was it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'll give you an idea. In nineteen twenty nine,
Speaker 1: my grandfather went out to play in the US Amateur
Speaker 1: not too far from you, in Pebble Beach, and it
Speaker 1: was the first time the Amateur had ever been contested
Speaker 1: west of the Mississippi, and that was nineteen twenty nine,
Speaker 1: and he decided that, you know, back then, of course,
Speaker 1: if you're going to it's not like you hop on
Speaker 1: a jet and go out there. You have to take
Speaker 1: a train. And he was planning on being on the
Speaker 1: West coast for a couple of weeks, and so he
Speaker 1: had made arrangements to go play the opening round at
Speaker 1: Pasa Tiempo. But any rate he goes out to Pebble Beach,
Speaker 1: he's expected to go through that field like a hot
Speaker 1: knife through butter. And instead, in the very first round,
Speaker 1: he was defeated by somebody that nobody had ever heard of.
Speaker 1: A guy named Johnny Goodman beat him in the first round.
Speaker 1: Nobody had ever heard of Johnny Goodman. Well four years
Speaker 1: later they would because Johnny Goodman in nineteen thirty three
Speaker 1: became the last amateur to ever win the United States Open.
Speaker 1: So that gives you an idea as to just how
Speaker 1: good the amateur game was. And you know, bub never
Speaker 1: really had any desire to turn professional. One of the
Speaker 1: reasons was that he used to just say to sort
Speaker 1: of shut the conversation up is he would just say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, there is no money in the pro game.
Speaker 1: I could just do better by being a lawyer and this,
Speaker 1: that and the other, but I had no money in
Speaker 1: the program. Walter Hagen used to say, yeah, that's nice.
Speaker 1: If Bob Jones had turned pro, there would have been Yes,
Speaker 1: that would have changed Hiller.
Speaker 2: He was well, he was incredibly popular in American culture, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, wasn't wasn't Bobby Jones the first person to
Speaker 2: ever receive a ticker tape parade in New York City,
Speaker 2: A first golfer, the first golfer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's the only golfer to receive two two
Speaker 1: of them, Yes, one in twenty six and one in
Speaker 1: thirty amazing. Yes, and in fact, in fact, for a
Speaker 1: long time he was the only individual to receive two
Speaker 1: John Glynn became the second and of course John Glenn
Speaker 1: had to orbit the Earth a few times to do that.
Speaker 1: Bub just had to hit a little golf ball.
Speaker 2: Virginia Earth twice round.
Speaker 1: Yes exactly, but yeah, so, but no he was People
Speaker 1: just do not well think of it this way. In history,
Speaker 1: there have only been three people that have really moved
Speaker 1: the knee in terms of the popularity of the game
Speaker 1: of golf. The first one was Bobby Jones, the second
Speaker 1: was Arnold Palmer, and the third was Tiger Woods. They
Speaker 1: brought they both brought tons of people into the game.
Speaker 1: There would be There was so much interest that after
Speaker 1: Bub retired after winning the Grand Slam in nineteen thirty,
Speaker 1: the USGA begged him to please come out of retirement
Speaker 1: and play in the nineteen thirty one US Open because
Speaker 1: they were terrified what would happen to the gate without
Speaker 1: him there.
Speaker 2: Right, And it's a good thing they didn't have TV then.
Speaker 1: Well that but the nineteen thirty US Amateur, which was
Speaker 1: at Marion, which is where they finished up the Grand Slam.
Speaker 1: That was the first, I believe, one of the first,
Speaker 1: one of the first golf tournaments to ever be broadcast
Speaker 1: live on radio and They had like two or three
Speaker 1: kids who literally would just will unfold this cable all
Speaker 1: over the golf course. So that's somebody with them microphone.
Speaker 2: Oh my, yes, it's not as if it was like
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan doing baseball games off of a newswire right.
Speaker 1: No, No, they were.
Speaker 2: Somebody actually there with a wired microphone running through the course.
Speaker 1: Yes, Grantlin Rice was actually the one who did it,
Speaker 1: and he had a bunch of people. He had a
Speaker 1: bunch of people following him and Marian. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is for the United States Amateur and this is in
Speaker 1: nineteen thirty, you know, you're talking about the early stages
Speaker 1: of the depression, and there were still fifteen thousand people
Speaker 1: that came out to watch that final round at Marion.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's just people just don't They
Speaker 1: just don't even get how big a deal Bobby Jones was.
Speaker 1: And so you know when Warner Brothers hired him to
Speaker 1: do those instructional videos, which are still pretty darn good.
Speaker 1: One of the reasons that made them so popular, that
Speaker 1: was so popular was because nobody most people knew who
Speaker 1: Bobby Jones was. And they knew who Bobby Jones was,
Speaker 1: but they'd never seen him hit a golf ball, right.
Speaker 2: They've never seen him as it was in broadcast, maybe
Speaker 2: a photograph, but they'd never seen him hit a.
Speaker 1: Ball, never saw him swinging. And then now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you could go to your local movie theater
Speaker 1: and Bobby Jones will hit golf balls and you'll get
Speaker 1: to see just how good he was. And it was
Speaker 1: really is really quite an incredible thing. But I mean,
Speaker 1: but there's also an interesting side to that as well,
Speaker 1: because you know he, as I said, I mean, nobody
Speaker 1: ever really really recognized him because it wasn't like the
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven news cycle, right. And so when
Speaker 1: when they did the second ticker tape parade in New
Speaker 1: York City that night, Bub was out on this on
Speaker 1: the street out in front of the Waldorf Astoria, and
Speaker 1: they were sweeping up the street in front of him,
Speaker 1: and Bub walked up to this policeman standing there in
Speaker 1: one of those big New York overcoats, and Bub lit
Speaker 1: a cigarette and he said to the copy he said, so, so, officer,
Speaker 1: what's all the fuss about. And the policeman just looked
Speaker 1: at him and said, Ah, it's just a parade for
Speaker 1: some damn golfer.
Speaker 2: When we talk about amateur golfers and professional golfers in
Speaker 2: those days, in the nineteen twenties thirties, so the amateur
Speaker 2: golfers were the competitive ones. The professional golfers were the
Speaker 2: golf instructors that were working at courses. But I'm sure
Speaker 2: that they also made a lot of their living, as
Speaker 2: quote unquote professional golfers through gambling with people.
Speaker 1: Oh most definitely, how did.
Speaker 2: That sit with Bub? I mean, because the way you
Speaker 2: present him as being the proper Atlanta Southern gentleman, I
Speaker 2: can't imagine he was a big fan of the gambling
Speaker 2: part of it.
Speaker 1: He wasn't a big fan of gambling on his own,
Speaker 1: but he was. Bub was very much. Bub very much
Speaker 1: had a laissez faire attitude towards what other people did.
Speaker 1: I also have to remember, too, that two of his
Speaker 1: dearest friends were people who were not always held up
Speaker 1: as paragons of virtue, one of course, being Walter Hagen
Speaker 1: and the other being Ty Cobb, the George Peach. And yeah,
Speaker 1: so Bub was Bub was, actually he was. He was
Speaker 1: very What other people wanted to do as long as
Speaker 1: they were pleasant company was fine with him.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, yeah, okay. We talk about the amateur play
Speaker 2: and how Tiger changed the game, and but Tiger was
Speaker 2: amateur champ for three years in a row. He was
Speaker 2: recently on the podcast We had Steve Scott on and
Speaker 2: he tells the story about in Tiger's third championship, Amateur Championship,
Speaker 2: they were paired together as the final group, and he
Speaker 2: tells a great story about about helping Tiger move his
Speaker 2: ball marker.
Speaker 1: Tiger was getting ready to putt, is what it was.
Speaker 2: So you know, you remember that event.
Speaker 1: I saw it on TV. I didn't see you couldn't
Speaker 1: hear it, but I mean if you were watching the broadcast,
Speaker 1: you saw it, right. But it was just Tiger had
Speaker 1: marked his ball and had moved his mark because it
Speaker 1: was in Steve's line, and Tiger wasn't obviously thinking, and
Speaker 1: he went to just put his ball back down and
Speaker 1: he was about to pick up his mark, and Steve,
Speaker 1: in probably one of the greatest displays of sportsmanship I've
Speaker 1: ever seen, said Tiger, you need to move your mark back.
Speaker 2: That's the name of his book, it.
Speaker 1: Is, And Tiger was like, oh, thanks, and he moved
Speaker 1: the mark back and then made the putt.
Speaker 2: To make the putt to win.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 2: If he didn't tell him, it would have been a
Speaker 2: two stroke penalty and Steve would have won.
Speaker 1: Well, it would have been Actually, no, it wouldn't have
Speaker 1: been it was match play. It would have been an
Speaker 1: automatic loss of hole. Oh okay, it would have been
Speaker 1: a loss of hole same but same outcome. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. It would have been two strokes if it
Speaker 1: were stroke play, right, okay, but match play would have
Speaker 1: just been loss of hole. But the outcome that would
Speaker 1: have been the same effect. Yes, Tiger, you need to
Speaker 1: move you. I wrote Steve a letter and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, that may be one of the finest acts
Speaker 1: of sportsmanship that I have ever seen. You did, yes,
Speaker 1: And he, in fact, Steve sent me a copy of
Speaker 1: his book that it was written by It was ghost
Speaker 1: written with well, Trip Bowden wrote it with him. Trip's
Speaker 1: a very dear friend of mine and also as the
Speaker 1: son of a fellow member of mine at Sage Valley
Speaker 1: Golf Club in South Carolina.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, amazing story.
Speaker 1: It's a small world, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: It's and for everybody to know. Here's a great tip
Speaker 2: that came out of that is that when you move
Speaker 2: your ball flip your marker over.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know who taught me that was there was
Speaker 1: a guy, a pro, a pro that I knew when
Speaker 1: I was a teenager and had aspirations hopefully playing playing
Speaker 1: golf competitively. I never did. I've never been competitive in golf.
Speaker 1: Have fun. But I mean he told me. He told me,
Speaker 1: he said, yeah, always make sure mark your ball with
Speaker 1: a quarter or whatever coin you use, and mark it
Speaker 1: heads up, and then when you move, have to move
Speaker 1: your marker, flip it to tails so that you can
Speaker 1: you will always know by looking at that quarter or
Speaker 1: that coin whether you need to move your mark he said.
Speaker 1: Of course. Then the real trick is remembering where do
Speaker 1: you have to move it too?
Speaker 2: Hopefully we're lining it up. But I mean, even the
Speaker 2: people that I've told that tip to since I've learned
Speaker 2: it from Steve was like, everyone's like, oh, that's a
Speaker 2: great tip. It's one of those tips that it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: so simple. It falls in with the never if you
Speaker 2: have to take you're going from your golf cart path
Speaker 2: only whatever, and you're going up to the green and
Speaker 2: you have to bring a wedge with you, you never
Speaker 2: just put your wedge down. You put it down between
Speaker 2: the flag, yes, and your cart.
Speaker 1: Yes, so you.
Speaker 2: Never go to the next toll going I don't have
Speaker 2: my wedge anymore.
Speaker 1: Right, that's right.
Speaker 2: That's another one. That's great tips that I've learned just
Speaker 2: from having these kind of conversations. Yes, so I want
Speaker 2: to know, I want to go back about what stories
Speaker 2: do you have? And it's my favorite part of this year.
Speaker 2: Stories you have about Bub and Ty Cobb.
Speaker 1: Well, they were just very very good friends. You know,
Speaker 1: they were both from Georgia. They frequently would go hunting
Speaker 1: in South Georgia together Ty Cobb. At one point, I
Speaker 1: forget what tournament it was, but is one of the
Speaker 1: national championships. And Cobb was following my grandfather and they
Speaker 1: came onto this par three and there was like four
Speaker 1: groups waiting on this par three. And so when Cobb
Speaker 1: got up to the tee, he found my grandfather just
Speaker 1: sitting on the ground and he chewed my grandfather out.
Speaker 1: He said, you never sit when you're in competition. It's
Speaker 1: going to tighten up your it's going to tighten up
Speaker 1: your hip muscles, it's going to kill your rotation and
Speaker 1: you won't get that back for two or three holes.
Speaker 1: And so Bub always made sure after that that he
Speaker 1: never would he never would sit down.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, Cobb was one of these guys, though he
Speaker 1: actually got a much worse reputation than he really deserved.
Speaker 2: He he me for being a racist asshole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's actually been a couple of really interesting books
Speaker 1: that actually say that that really wasn't true. Really, a
Speaker 1: lot of this was the image that Cobb wanted to portray,
Speaker 1: for example, like that, yeah that actually like like the
Speaker 1: things about like on the baseball diamond, He actually was
Speaker 1: very fine sportsman, even though he would do stuff like
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Back then they with his cleats up.
Speaker 1: Well, but not even that, wait, well they all did that.
Speaker 1: For What he would do was they would show pick.
Speaker 1: These guys would like look over in the dugout when
Speaker 1: Ty Cobb was in the dugout and he had his
Speaker 1: shoe off and he had a file in his hand
Speaker 1: and he was filing the spikes. So the message being
Speaker 1: he's coming in cleets up and those things are sharp.
Speaker 2: Exactly, they have traction, Definitely.
Speaker 1: They definitely had traction. But yeah, but you know, bub
Speaker 1: bub Bub definitely had some friends who qualified as characters.
Speaker 2: Oh I bet well he was.
Speaker 1: He was in his own way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you were his grandson. He wasn't playing golf,
Speaker 2: he wasn't well as you were conscious. How do you
Speaker 2: know this stuff? I mean, I never called you out
Speaker 2: on these stories, going, wait a minute, how do you know?
Speaker 1: Here's the beauty of it. Here's the beauty of it.
Speaker 1: You know, you know, Fred will never know. I could
Speaker 1: just be making it all up. Who's going to call
Speaker 1: me out? Right? Actually, I've been very lucky. I've spent
Speaker 1: a lot of time talking with people that knew him well.
Speaker 1: And there are probably some folks. I think of one
Speaker 1: of my dearest friends, Sidney Matthew, who's a great golf historian,
Speaker 1: a fantastic lawyer down in Tallahassee. And Sydney and I
Speaker 1: Sidney probably knows more about my grandfather than I ever will,
Speaker 1: and since told me a lot of this stuff. And
Speaker 1: I said, well, you need to tell this story. And
Speaker 1: Sydney would say to me, no, you do, he said,
Speaker 1: for me, coming from me, it means nothing, But you
Speaker 1: need to tell the stories. And he said, I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell you a little secret. He said, I'm going
Speaker 1: to tell you a little secret. If you don't tell
Speaker 1: the stories, then you're leaving it for somebody else too,
Speaker 1: who may not have the same love for your grandfather
Speaker 1: that you do. I've never really forgotten that, and so
Speaker 1: I see that very much as a responsibility that I have.
Speaker 1: I've often said that one of the goals that I
Speaker 1: would like is to make my grandfather come alive in
Speaker 1: color for a new generation. And what that means is
Speaker 1: seeing him not just as somebody about whom we tell
Speaker 1: funny stories, somebody who did great things on the golf course,
Speaker 1: which and all of those things are true, but as
Speaker 1: somebody that was a real, flesh and blood human being
Speaker 1: who had many, many great personality traits and many that
Speaker 1: were not so great. And that's important because if you
Speaker 1: make if the man becomes a real, honest to God
Speaker 1: human being, then it kind of makes what he did
Speaker 1: even even more special and certainly more important. So so
Speaker 1: I take this response. I mean, I have fun with it,
Speaker 1: but but it's serious because you know, I'm not getting
Speaker 1: any younger, Fred, I'm going to be sixty eight in
Speaker 1: another few months, and you know, you start, you get
Speaker 1: you get to your late sixties, and you start thinking
Speaker 1: about what's the legacy that I want to leave behind,
Speaker 1: which I don't want to do anytime soon.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that you talked about your feeling and getting
Speaker 2: that advice about carrying on the legacy of your grandfather
Speaker 2: and better for you to do it than somebody else.
Speaker 2: When growing up in the Atlanta area with the name
Speaker 2: Bobby Jones Bob Jones, was that difficult as a child
Speaker 2: or was that did you feel like there was attention
Speaker 2: on you? I don't want to ask too many questions
Speaker 2: because I want to let you answer the question. But
Speaker 2: about the attention, you know, positive negative? However, what was
Speaker 2: that like for you?
Speaker 1: Well, it was difficult. First of all. I did not
Speaker 1: grow up in the Atlanta area though, I grew up
Speaker 1: in western Massachusetts. But I was born in nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: seven and in the nineteen fifties and sixties, though it
Speaker 1: really didn't matter where you grew up. If you had
Speaker 1: a name like Bobby Jones, it was everybody knew that. Sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: And there was always a certain amount of pressure that
Speaker 1: came with it. I mean, number one, the pressure was
Speaker 1: the question do you play golf? And you know, my father,
Speaker 1: of course went through that same thing. And my dad
Speaker 1: was actually a very fine player. He was a plus
Speaker 1: three handicap at his peak, but you know, played in
Speaker 1: three national amateurs and yet he always felt he was
Speaker 1: a very second rate golfer. Well, yeah, compared to who
Speaker 1: he was, you know, looking who he was compared to. Yes,
Speaker 1: my handicap at its best got down to a minus three,
Speaker 1: which is still not too shabby.
Speaker 2: No, but it's not too ere quality. But it's really impressive.
Speaker 1: It's comfortable, and up until a year and a half
Speaker 1: ago it was always in single digits. But you know,
Speaker 1: I mean I always thought of myself as just not
Speaker 1: too terribly good. But again, of considering who I'm compared to,
Speaker 1: I think I think it was much harder on my
Speaker 1: dad than it was for me, but it was still
Speaker 1: awfully intimidating on me. Like, for example, I for many
Speaker 1: years could not play golf club play with clubs that
Speaker 1: had my grandfather's signature on them because I just couldn't
Speaker 1: look at it. It was too intimidating. So if I
Speaker 1: got a club from Spalding that had the Jones logo
Speaker 1: on it, I'd either have the decal put out on
Speaker 1: the toe of the club where I couldn't see it,
Speaker 1: or I would just have the top of the club
Speaker 1: just made solid, solid in color. And you know that
Speaker 1: eventually changed and I actually got to a point where
Speaker 1: I would have I started using this back in the
Speaker 1: old days. I was using Tony Penno woods. And first
Speaker 1: thing I did when I'd get a penna that Pe
Speaker 1: used to make clubs for McGregor. They were really wonderful
Speaker 1: and I would make I would whenever I would get
Speaker 1: a penna, the first thing I do is I'd have
Speaker 1: it stripped down and then refinished and I would have
Speaker 1: a Jones signature on top of them.
Speaker 2: Why because by that time I liked it ok.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to see my grandfather's name on it.
Speaker 1: And the joke was the guy said, we you know,
Speaker 1: really I shouldn't do this because it's not a spalding
Speaker 1: club and we shouldn't put a spalding sticker on a
Speaker 1: non spalding club. But considering that's your name too, we
Speaker 1: can just say we're putting your name club. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was difficult, But did you As I've gotten older,
Speaker 1: it's gotten easier.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Were there ever times in your life where people
Speaker 2: tried to take advantage or get in close because oh
Speaker 2: I can maybe I can get somewhere because the name
Speaker 2: is Bobby Jones Or did you ever feel that was
Speaker 2: happening to you?
Speaker 1: It does, that happened. But you know, one of the
Speaker 1: things growing up is that in my family is that
Speaker 1: we are My father and my mother were very good
Speaker 1: at training my sisters in me how to deal with
Speaker 1: situations like that and to deal with them graciously and
Speaker 1: so that kind of that that helped a lot. So,
Speaker 1: you know, so generally speaking, like we were always taught.
Speaker 1: You know, you're going to have people who come out
Speaker 1: of the woodwork every February and they're only coming out
Speaker 1: for one reason.
Speaker 2: Tickets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I mean it's okay, I don't mind,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't, but you know, you know when
Speaker 1: it's going to happen. You've I guess this is so
Speaker 1: far we've made it. I guess about half an hour
Speaker 1: into this, I've yet to be called golf royalty, but
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm going there.
Speaker 1: You know, you're going there. One of the things is
Speaker 1: is that we were taught very definitely how do you
Speaker 1: conduct yourself in those circumstances. How do you learn.
Speaker 3: How to navigate the fact that you've got a first
Speaker 3: degree blood relation who is to this day one hundred
Speaker 3: years after his greatest accomplishments and one hundred and what
Speaker 3: this year, it's one hundred and twenty three years after
Speaker 3: his birth.
Speaker 1: Is still larger than life. How do you deal with that?
Speaker 1: You know? And I'm very fortunate in that I had
Speaker 1: good parents who taught me how to do that and
Speaker 1: how to do that with some grace and decorum in
Speaker 1: a way that leaves people comfortable having dealt with me.
Speaker 1: And I'm also very fortunate in that I've got some
Speaker 1: good friends. I'm thinking particularly a friend of mine, Charlie Yates,
Speaker 1: very here in Atlanta. You know, Charlie and I we
Speaker 1: share an awful lot of background together, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: we have a lot of trust with each other because
Speaker 1: you know, he's part of one of the great GalF
Speaker 1: families of the state of Georgia, and uh we we've
Speaker 1: had to contend with a lot of the same stuff
Speaker 1: over the years. So I don't wish I could do
Speaker 1: it half as well as Charlie does.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, as we're recording this weeks before it's being published,
Speaker 2: and it's being published as we I always want to.
Speaker 1: Do, actually recording this on Bub's birthday.
Speaker 2: Oh Saint Patrick's day. That's awesome. Happy birthday, Bob, Happy birthday. Great. Well,
Speaker 2: it's being well being published this the week of the Masters,
Speaker 2: as I do every year because it's perfect to have
Speaker 2: you on at that time, and interestingly enough, this year,
Speaker 2: as this show is being published, I am in Atlanta.
Speaker 2: I am actually in Georgia. Yes, I am going with
Speaker 2: a friend who invited me to go to the Masters.
Speaker 2: We're hoping to go practice around Wednesday and go to
Speaker 2: a tournament round on Thursday, play golf the rest of
Speaker 2: the week. But he gets his tickets from a mutual
Speaker 2: friend of his, Charlie Yates Junior. So talk about it
Speaker 2: all coming back around.
Speaker 1: Me tell you, let me tell you Charlie is. Charlie
Speaker 1: is an incredible guy. He besides a very successful career,
Speaker 1: Charlie is probably he probably wouldn't like me saying this,
Speaker 1: but I mean, Charlie has done so much in support
Speaker 1: of the YMCA here in Atlanta. And then one of
Speaker 1: the things that he has done that is he has
Speaker 1: been absolutely instrumental, in no pun intended, in bringing about
Speaker 1: this renaissance that the Atlanta Opera has experienced over the
Speaker 1: last ten or fifteen years, to the point now to
Speaker 1: where the Atlanta Opera is considered one of the ten
Speaker 1: finest opera houses in the United States. And that's to
Speaker 1: a large extent, Charlie would never agree with this, but
Speaker 1: that to a large extent is due to his absolutely
Speaker 1: relentless work in developing helping develop that company.
Speaker 2: Well, Charlie Yates Senior, Yes, has a history in professional golf. Correct,
Speaker 2: I mean we're talking about Charlie late Charlie Yates like
Speaker 2: people were assuming people know who that is. But explain
Speaker 2: Charlie's legacy.
Speaker 1: Well, Charlie Yates, he didn't like being called Charlie Yates senior.
Speaker 1: But Charlie Yates was a very very fine amateur golfer
Speaker 1: who grew up at the Atlanta Athletic Club. And in fact,
Speaker 1: he used to say how he used to sneak under
Speaker 1: the fence at the Athletic Club to go watch Bobby
Speaker 1: Jones play golf. And he said that the highlight of
Speaker 1: his time as a young man was when he would
Speaker 1: go into the when he would go into the clubhouse
Speaker 1: and Bob Jones would buy him a bottle of Coca Cola, or,
Speaker 1: as Charlie used to call it, the great Elixir of
Speaker 1: Atlanta and Charlie became a really outstanding amateur golfer. He
Speaker 1: won the NCAA title when he was at Tech. He
Speaker 1: won the British Amateur in nineteen thirty eight at Royal
Speaker 1: Troon and in fact he played in the Walker Cup
Speaker 1: that year and unfortunately the United States team lost the
Speaker 1: Walker Cup. And I believe it was at the Old
Speaker 1: Course in St. Andrews. And when Charlie was brought up
Speaker 1: at the trophy presentation, before the trophy was presented, Charlie
Speaker 1: led everybody. He said, there's just one thing I can
Speaker 1: add to all of this, and he started singing the
Speaker 1: old Scottish song A Wee Doc and Doris, which is
Speaker 1: in Scottish, which is Scottish for a week, a small
Speaker 1: Scotch and soda. And several people had said that Charlie
Speaker 1: Charlie got more mileage out of A Wee Doc and
Speaker 1: Doris than Bing Crosby did out of White Christmas. But
Speaker 1: Charlie was a member of Augusta National almost from the
Speaker 1: very beginning. He was the he handled the press for decades.
Speaker 1: So in addition to being an outstanding golfer, he also
Speaker 1: made great contributions to the game of golf. He won
Speaker 1: the Bob Jones Award one year, for which the USGA
Speaker 1: gifts for sportsmanship. But even more than that were the
Speaker 1: contributions that he made to the city of Atlanta. Not
Speaker 1: the least I mean, good Lord, not the least of
Speaker 1: which was he was instrumental in the development of the
Speaker 1: Woodroff Arts Center, which is no small achievement. I mean,
Speaker 1: in many, many ways, Charlie is one of those people
Speaker 1: that which Atlanta is what it is today, and his
Speaker 1: son has continued in that same legacy. It's really quite
Speaker 1: it's really I'm kind of amazed they let me hang
Speaker 1: on to them like a pilot fish.
Speaker 2: But it's interesting because you talked about how your father
Speaker 2: being the son of the famous person at such a
Speaker 2: difficult time, at much more difficult time than you did,
Speaker 2: carrying that name, and so that puts Charlie, your friend
Speaker 2: Charlie into that position of being the first generation removed
Speaker 2: from the fame. Did he do you know if he's
Speaker 2: had those struggles as well, or because he.
Speaker 1: Has, it hasn't shown. So if he has, he's certainly learned,
Speaker 1: he's certainly mastered the art well. Much like my grandfather
Speaker 1: said to a young man at Pasa Tiempo when he said, Bob,
Speaker 1: how do you play in front of all these people?
Speaker 1: Don't you get nervous? And Bub looked back at him
Speaker 1: and said, I get horribly nervous. The trick is not
Speaker 1: to let them see it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna dig into this a little bit deeper. And
Speaker 2: I appreciate you answering, and if you don't, we'll move on.
Speaker 2: So we we we talk about you know, you being
Speaker 2: third generation but also being raised with how to handle yourself.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure I don't remember you have siblings. I
Speaker 2: do you do have siblings? You have probably have cousins
Speaker 2: as well. All right, so you and and we all
Speaker 2: kind of grew up in the rebellious sixties and seventies.
Speaker 2: So did everybody buy into this? Of your siblings and cousins?
Speaker 2: Did you all buy into this? Yes, we understand how
Speaker 2: we're supposed to carry ourselves. Or were there son that's like, yep,
Speaker 2: moving to California, go buy I don't want to be
Speaker 2: part of this.
Speaker 1: Well, no, not to California necessarily, but we did have
Speaker 1: people go well, my sister went to New York. But nonetheless,
Speaker 1: when it came to having to do things that are
Speaker 1: related to the family. Yes, we all bought into it.
Speaker 1: One of the things that I've always thought was really
Speaker 1: fascinating is that the seven of us in this generation sometimes,
Speaker 1: like any family, we will fight like cats and dogs.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to issues about our family business
Speaker 1: or about our grandfather and his legacy, if you've spoken
Speaker 1: to one of us, you've spoken to all of us.
Speaker 1: It's really I don't know too many families that have
Speaker 1: gotten two, you know, in the second generation, removed from
Speaker 1: the person who was the famous person where you could
Speaker 1: find that type of agreement. I just don't know of
Speaker 1: too many, but we do so, Yeah, we do so.
Speaker 2: Right now, as I mentioned, I'm strolling the grounds of
Speaker 2: Augusta National. I'm like freaking out, having a blast. I
Speaker 2: already know this. This is weeks and events, and I know
Speaker 2: that I'm going to be going out of my mind here,
Speaker 2: especially going well, I don't have a camera. I need
Speaker 2: a camera. No, sorry, you cannot.
Speaker 1: The most important thing is not a camera. It's a
Speaker 1: credit card.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead, yeah right, Oh, that's my lifeline,
Speaker 2: is what it is. Can you walk us all through,
Speaker 2: because you know, getting to go to the Masters is
Speaker 2: not something you could just go on stub hub and
Speaker 2: buy tickets, and this is a very very tough ticket
Speaker 2: to get A and B. It is the biggest week
Speaker 2: of the PGA's year, no question about it.
Speaker 1: PGA Tour this week of the entire golf world.
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah. Now that it now that the golf world
Speaker 2: is kind of moved beyond the PGA Tour, it is,
Speaker 2: it is it, and I'd love it if you can
Speaker 2: like give us a tour of what a week is
Speaker 2: like and what your week is like at Augusta National.
Speaker 1: Well, it's been a long time since I've gone for
Speaker 1: the entire week. Normally, I just go on the weekend
Speaker 1: because I do this thing called work.
Speaker 2: Literally, I just go for the weekend. I know, come on,
Speaker 2: you're going to the Masters every year anyway, But it's
Speaker 2: work there.
Speaker 1: Well no, I mean I work during the week. No.
Speaker 2: I understand that you're talking to me from your office
Speaker 2: right now and you're a psychoical clinical psychologists, right right, okay,
Speaker 2: so but still the family work. Yes, this is what
Speaker 2: you're doing when you're going to the Master.
Speaker 1: Very much, very much. Royalty is there and I appreciate that,
Speaker 1: thank you. But you know, I think going to the Masters,
Speaker 1: especially when people go for the first time. I think
Speaker 1: the most important thing is just to take it in.
Speaker 1: There are two ways to get into the Masters, legal ways,
Speaker 1: I should say. One is that you get to drive
Speaker 1: down Magnolia Lane. The second one, which is in many
Speaker 1: ways as impressive, is you come in through the main
Speaker 1: gate on the what would be the eastern side of
Speaker 1: the property, which is probably where you'll come in. And
Speaker 1: what happens is you go through the security and you
Speaker 1: go underneath what used to be Berkman's Road, and then
Speaker 1: you come up the other side of it into the sunlight,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you are in. You're on
Speaker 1: AUGUSTA National, and you'll see the press buildings on the left,
Speaker 1: the press building on the left, which my dear friend
Speaker 1: Martin Davis once said, that press building is so impressive.
Speaker 1: He said, is what it is what God would have
Speaker 1: built if he had the money. And you'll see just
Speaker 1: buildings down the right side of your walkway and just
Speaker 1: all like that, gleaming white with the dark dark green
Speaker 1: shutter or black. They're so dark they're almost black and
Speaker 1: it might be black now, and you'll just see that.
Speaker 1: And as you walk down you'll see the practice tea
Speaker 1: coming up on your left, and it's like the sense
Speaker 1: of antisse a patient that just builds as you get closer.
Speaker 1: And then you turn right and you go down into
Speaker 1: the patron's pavilion. That's where you need your credit card,
Speaker 1: by the way, and then you just go a little
Speaker 1: bit farther and you walk underneath these trees, and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden there's that big main scoreboard on
Speaker 1: the right and this vista of the golf course right
Speaker 1: in front of you. And I always say to people,
Speaker 1: just don't be in a hurry to get to the
Speaker 1: golf course. Really savor every step that you take getting
Speaker 1: to it, because there's nothing like it in the entire
Speaker 1: world of sports. And then if you get there early
Speaker 1: enough in the day, one of the things that I
Speaker 1: would suggest you do, even before you do any retail therapy,
Speaker 1: is walk down to Amen corner, especially before the players
Speaker 1: start getting there, so you can just see it. So
Speaker 1: you can just see it, and it's there. There is
Speaker 1: no place in the entire golf world that is as
Speaker 1: impressive as Augusta National in the springtime. It is it
Speaker 1: is just there is nothing nothing like it. The other thing,
Speaker 1: I mean, the other stuff is a little bit more practical.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to do any shopping, best
Speaker 1: to do that in the middle of the day, when
Speaker 1: the traffic is a little bit less. But one other
Speaker 1: but that's who cares. Let me give you the big advice.
Speaker 1: If you really want to see the golf course, best
Speaker 1: way to see it walk it backwards. Oh, walk it
Speaker 1: backwards so that you're not walking with like all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you get caught up in a group and
Speaker 1: you're like ten deep. You're constantly going against the grain,
Speaker 1: and so you get to see more. And then there
Speaker 1: are wonderful, wonderful grand stands through out where you get
Speaker 1: to see multiple scenes from the same location. So I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just if you just have like one or two
Speaker 1: days to go, just I would just say, savor it.
Speaker 1: The tendency is to get so anxious about it that
Speaker 1: I got to see it all. Now you really don't,
Speaker 1: You really don't. There are certain parts I like to see,
Speaker 1: Like my favorite hole is the one probably not many
Speaker 1: people's favorite, but on the front nine my whole. My
Speaker 1: favorite hole is number five. What well, not so much now,
Speaker 1: but it used to be the most strategically demanding golf
Speaker 1: hole on the entire golf course and back back in
Speaker 1: the seventies, particularly the approach into number five was I
Speaker 1: mean really challenging. You could either, you know, vomb it
Speaker 1: into the green or you could play a run up
Speaker 1: shot into the green. I mean, the t shot was
Speaker 1: really really demanding. Now that they've stretched the hole out
Speaker 1: to where it's about eight zillion yards long, some of
Speaker 1: that strategy has kind of gone away. And that's nothing
Speaker 1: really bad. I mean, they've had to do it because
Speaker 1: the game has just changed. But five is a great
Speaker 1: one to see. My favorite hole in the back nine.
Speaker 1: Most people might find this surprising, but strangely enough, my
Speaker 1: favorite hole in the back nine is the only hole
Speaker 1: on the entire golf course that doesn't have a bunker. Fourteen, right,
Speaker 1: I love fourteen. It is the wildest hole because it's
Speaker 1: got a putt. When they cut the pin on the
Speaker 1: left hand side, on the back left, you can stand
Speaker 1: and look at that putt. If you're right of that hole,
Speaker 1: you can stand and look at that putt and you
Speaker 1: will swear to me, Fred Green, this putt is moving
Speaker 1: left right, but it doesn't it breaks right much, but
Speaker 1: it does move right. Okay, incredibly challenged.
Speaker 2: So you just gave me an incredibly important view for
Speaker 2: me to have as a tour guide. Yes, I was
Speaker 2: asking about what's it like for you, Bob Jones the
Speaker 2: fourth when you're there? Are you there as a fan
Speaker 2: only or no?
Speaker 1: I'm there. I am there because the club is very
Speaker 1: generous and make sure that my wife and I have
Speaker 1: a very nice credential. But I'm also there because I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm representing my grandfather and I'm representing my family, and
Speaker 1: I never, I never try to forget that, and I
Speaker 1: don't know that I could forget it even if I
Speaker 1: if I could.
Speaker 2: Are there? Do they have official duties that they.
Speaker 1: No, No, no, they are perfectly content just to let
Speaker 1: you come and just enjoy, and they provide wonderful credentials.
Speaker 1: And we do have a wonderful time. And what's the
Speaker 1: most important thing at Augusta, strangely enough, even more than
Speaker 1: the golf course, is I get to see people that
Speaker 1: I only see that one time of year, sure, and
Speaker 1: yet I've seen them every year for forty five years.
Speaker 1: Forty yeah, forty years. And sometimes you know, we're getting
Speaker 1: together and we're talking about friends of ours that aren't here. Anymore,
Speaker 1: and we're remembering them. And most of the time we're
Speaker 1: remembering people, we're remembering people with a smile. And you know,
Speaker 1: that's one of the great things about the Masters. Is
Speaker 1: it partially because it's the time of year, partially because
Speaker 1: it's the place, and partially it's because the man of
Speaker 1: the man who founded the tournament. But it is in
Speaker 1: many ways it is the ultimate, even more than Baseball's
Speaker 1: opening day. It is the right of spring. It really is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and actually it really does, especially especially for
Speaker 2: the golf world. It's like, oh good, the Masters. That
Speaker 2: means I can go start warming up again.
Speaker 1: That's right. I mean, you got to understand, for half
Speaker 1: the country, the country is either has either just dug
Speaker 1: out of snow or digging out of snow. And this
Speaker 1: is sort of the sign. I mean, the azaleas are blooming,
Speaker 1: the flowers and the dogwoods are blooming. And if the
Speaker 1: azaleas aren't blooming, I'm sure they'll find a way to
Speaker 1: make the bloo.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, other than the Masters, it's really
Speaker 2: like the Ryder Cup, you know, team golf that really
Speaker 2: makes the everyone stop, but nothing like the Masters. And
Speaker 2: even more so now that We're oversaturated on baseball with
Speaker 2: you know, games every day and uh spring training and stuff,
Speaker 2: and the inn League play on opening day makes me
Speaker 2: just I don't even want to get started with that one.
Speaker 2: But no, the Masters really is this sign that everything
Speaker 2: is going to be okay in the world.
Speaker 1: The only the only thing in sports that I think
Speaker 1: even remotely compares with it. There are two things that
Speaker 1: are and it's going to sound strange when I say it,
Speaker 1: but there are two things in sports that will remotely
Speaker 1: compare with the Masters.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: Number one is Wimbledon, sure, held at the same place
Speaker 1: every year. It is that sports hallmark event. It really is, right.
Speaker 1: And the second is, and I'm almost scared to say this,
Speaker 1: the Daytona five hundred.
Speaker 2: Well different, k I know that the Daytona five hundred
Speaker 2: is the super Bowl of stock car racing NASCAR, but
Speaker 2: it's the opening of the season. But it doesn't signify
Speaker 2: springtime like those two that you just brought.
Speaker 1: That one held it's still held in the winter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So the Masters really says everybody, come on outside,
Speaker 2: it's beautiful, We're going to get to play now for
Speaker 2: a couple months.
Speaker 1: Wimbledon is held in the middle of.
Speaker 2: The summer exactly. Yeah, it's an important event for the sport,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't mean for the culture what the Masters
Speaker 2: really significant.
Speaker 1: Funny because, and it's so funny because because that wasn't
Speaker 1: the original plan for the Masters. Sure, it was originally
Speaker 1: supposed to be in March, and when they finally decided
Speaker 1: to move it to April, they decided to move it
Speaker 1: to the first full week of April. And the funniest
Speaker 1: part is that somebody went to Cliff Roberts and they
Speaker 1: said to him, mister Roberts, don't you understand that if
Speaker 1: you move this tournament to the first full week of
Speaker 1: April about once or twice every four or five years,
Speaker 1: that Sunday of the Masters is going to overlap with
Speaker 1: Easter Sunday. And Cliff said, well, can't they move it?
Speaker 2: Did he say, oh, but it's also passover?
Speaker 1: No he didn't.
Speaker 2: He didn't say that.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, did we complete in the beginning of our conversation,
Speaker 2: you were talking about the Bobby Jones Centennial? Did we
Speaker 2: complete the lineup of what's going on? What's happening in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty five?
Speaker 1: Well, we get there, five, we have don't have anything
Speaker 1: set yet. For twenty twenty see, but that will be
Speaker 1: the centennial will be at Oakmont this year, and we're
Speaker 1: hoping we can get something worked out with them. I
Speaker 1: was lucky enough to be able to go to Inwood
Speaker 1: Country Club in twenty twenty three and play golf, play
Speaker 1: around of golf there on the actual one hundredth anniversary
Speaker 1: day that you won. And then last September I went
Speaker 1: to Marion and played around at Marion, not on one
Speaker 1: hundredth anniversary, but it was in the same month at least,
Speaker 1: and then spoke at a dinner there that night. The
Speaker 1: funniest part was I went there with a big leg injury,
Speaker 1: and so I was walking around Marian's a walking only
Speaker 1: golf course. My wife was with me, and Mimi said
Speaker 1: to me, on about the third hole, she could see
Speaker 1: I was in really bad pain, and she said, Bobarre,
Speaker 1: you sure you want to do this. I said, Honey,
Speaker 1: this is Marion. I don't care if somebody has to
Speaker 1: come out and drag me around this golf course. I'm
Speaker 1: finishing this round.
Speaker 2: Here you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I did a man. Now I was a man.
Speaker 1: I was in agony for about two weeks afterwards, but
Speaker 1: it was worth every bit of it.
Speaker 2: Well. As always, this conversation is one of my favorite
Speaker 2: of the year, not not just because of the history
Speaker 2: that I get to learn that I don't really know
Speaker 2: much about, but I get a perspective on the history.
Speaker 2: And you and I have so much fun together. I mean,
Speaker 2: we do really come right down to it. We both
Speaker 2: enjoy doing this together. And I really appreciate you coming
Speaker 2: on this show and saying nice things about it and
Speaker 2: being available for me. So we can have this conversation.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, and I can do it outside of
Speaker 1: the outside of the month of April too, So just
Speaker 1: so you.
Speaker 2: Know, well we've had you on talking with doctor Joe
Speaker 2: parent that's right, you know, it's I want yeah, absolutely
Speaker 2: doctors so perfect to have you now, it is, yeah,
Speaker 2: And hopefully you know you have not I did not
Speaker 2: ask you for the tickets. You have not gotten these tickets,
Speaker 2: And so I hope I get to see you when
Speaker 2: I'm when I there, because I really would love to
Speaker 2: meet you face to face.
Speaker 1: I would It's hard to believe after a number of
Speaker 1: years that we've never actually met in person.
Speaker 2: No, it's that. Yeah, I definitely hope we can do that.
Speaker 2: We tried last year we did and couldn't do it
Speaker 2: and something came up. But that's okay, that's life, and
Speaker 2: try to get here.
Speaker 1: We're getting there.
Speaker 2: Doctor Bob Jones, the fourth always a pleasure to have
Speaker 2: one of the show.
Speaker 1: That pleasure is mine and I just loved doing this.
Speaker 1: It's good to see you, my friends.