1 00:00:03,399 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Hi. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:04,639 Speaker 2: My name's Roy Jeomey. 3 00:00:04,759 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: I live in Redondo Beach, California. 4 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 2: I'm playing golf with Fred at Rancho Park. This is 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,759 Golf Smarter, Episode nine hundred and ninety four. 6 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: I've been very lucky. I've spent a lot of time 7 00:00:15,519 --> 00:00:18,000 talking with people that knew him well, and there are 8 00:00:18,039 --> 00:00:20,800 probably some folks. I think of one of my dearest friends, 9 00:00:20,879 --> 00:00:24,960 Sidney Matthew, who's a great golf history down in Tallahassee. 10 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,519 Sidney probably knows more about my grandfather than I ever will. 11 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,480 And I said, well, you need to tell this story, 12 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:35,280 and Sidney would say to me, no, you do coming 13 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,200 from me, it means nothing. He said, I'm going to 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,159 tell you a little secret. If you don't tell the stories, 15 00:00:41,359 --> 00:00:44,719 then you're leaving it for somebody else too, who may 16 00:00:44,799 --> 00:00:47,960 not have the same love for your grandfather that you do. 17 00:00:48,399 --> 00:00:50,960 I've never really forgotten that, and so I see that 18 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:55,439 very much as a responsibility. I've often said that one 19 00:00:55,479 --> 00:00:59,119 of the goals is to make my grandfather come alive 20 00:00:59,439 --> 00:01:02,479 in color for a new generation, and what that means 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:06,400 is seeing him not just as somebody about whom we 22 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:09,879 tell funny stories, is somebody who did great things on 23 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,480 the golf course, and all of those things are true, 24 00:01:12,599 --> 00:01:15,439 but as somebody that was a real flesh and blood 25 00:01:15,519 --> 00:01:19,519 human being who had many, many great personality traits and 26 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,719 many that were not so great. And that's important because 27 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,280 if the man becomes a real, honest to God human being, 28 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:31,719 then it kind of makes what he did even more special. 29 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 2: Growing up with the name Bobby Jones comes with pressure 30 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:44,760 and pride with grandson doctor Bob Jones. Four. This is 31 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:49,799 Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf 32 00:01:49,879 --> 00:01:52,799 minds to help you lower your score and raise your 33 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:53,560 golf IQ. 34 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,159 Speaker 1: Here's your host, Fred Green. 35 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,439 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. Bob. 36 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: It's great to be with you, as always, Fred, it's 37 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:02,680 been too long. 38 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 2: It's been a year. Well, no, I think we did 39 00:02:05,879 --> 00:02:09,280 something mid year. Did we do something mid year with 40 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:12,719 doctor Joe parent or two years ago? 41 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: That was two years ago? 42 00:02:14,199 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: Actually, oh, that's when I came back from my Yeah, yeah, 43 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,159 I introduced you guys when I came back and then yeah, 44 00:02:20,159 --> 00:02:22,319 I don't remember when it was, but yeah, maybe it's 45 00:02:22,319 --> 00:02:25,159 been a year since we've talked to each other. Yeah, Well, 46 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,120 on the podcast, we communicate with each other on a 47 00:02:28,159 --> 00:02:31,639 regular basis because we've become friends and I'm so touched 48 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,000 and honored by your friendship. 49 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,479 Speaker 1: Well that goes both ways, Fred, So thank you. 50 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: Thank you. So. Now you know, like this week, as 51 00:02:43,319 --> 00:02:46,960 always when we talk, it's a week of the Masters. Yes, 52 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:53,479 we're your grandfather, Bob Bobby Jones, created the event, built 53 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:58,879 the golf course, and the legacy continues to grow. Yes, 54 00:02:59,479 --> 00:03:03,319 and actually it's coming up to a really big event. 55 00:03:03,759 --> 00:03:07,439 The timing of it for your grandfather, correct. 56 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 1: Well it is, well, it is. You know. One of 57 00:03:12,439 --> 00:03:15,759 the things that's happened starting in twenty twenty three is 58 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,319 we've come up on the one hundredth anniversary of all 59 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:23,919 of my grandfather's major championship wins. In twenty twenty three, 60 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,439 we celebrated one hundred year of his one hundred years 61 00:03:26,479 --> 00:03:29,520 of his first United States Open victory at Inwood Country 62 00:03:29,599 --> 00:03:34,759 Club outside of New York, and then in last year 63 00:03:35,199 --> 00:03:38,240 was a one hundredth anniversary of his twenty four US 64 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:42,159 Amateur win at Marion. This year will mark one hundredth 65 00:03:42,159 --> 00:03:48,039 anniversary of the US Amateur victory at Oakmont. Interestingly enough, 66 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,800 that is the only time in US Amateur history where 67 00:03:51,919 --> 00:03:56,800 the finals have been contested by two members of the 68 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:57,520 same club. 69 00:03:58,199 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 2: Wow. 70 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: Yes, Bubb defeated Watt's Gunn, who was also a member 71 00:04:02,719 --> 00:04:07,319 of the Atlanta Athletic Club, and to win his second 72 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:13,319 consecutive United States Amateur in twenty five. Another little tidbit 73 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:16,600 on that that people forget Bub, but Bub beat Watts 74 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,839 pretty badly in that final, and of course he beat 75 00:04:18,879 --> 00:04:26,319 everybody pretty badly the final, but nobody remembers is Watts played. 76 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:30,319 Remember this is nineteen twenty five. Now, Watts played like 77 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:37,079 ninety holes of golf at even par on Oakmont, which then, 78 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:42,879 as now, is just a staggering statistic. Yeah, absolutely staggering statistic. 79 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:50,600 Speaker 2: Huh Yeah, that's really remarkable. And help us understand, give 80 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:55,959 us a perspective on how in the days that we're 81 00:04:55,959 --> 00:05:00,319 talking about, the early twenties, how important amateur golf was 82 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:05,319 to the game itself, because it's radically changed. It really 83 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:08,040 changed in this century with Tiger. 84 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:14,199 Speaker 1: In this century. Yes, amateur golf in the early really 85 00:05:14,319 --> 00:05:20,800 the amateur golf up until probably the nineteen seventies, amateur 86 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:27,800 golf was very much its own game, and it was 87 00:05:27,879 --> 00:05:31,959 not necessarily considered to be a feeding ground for the 88 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:36,319 professional for the professional game in the nineteen twenties when 89 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,959 my grandfather played, the people who played in the amateur 90 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:45,040 game were every bit as good as the professionals. Professionals 91 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,199 in those days were mainly people who had club jobs 92 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:52,319 who would play in tournaments to supplement their income, and 93 00:05:52,959 --> 00:05:58,360 the amateurs, and in fact the amateurs for example, if 94 00:05:58,399 --> 00:06:02,399 you were an amateur and I was a professional, you 95 00:06:02,439 --> 00:06:06,480 would be listed on the score sheet as mister Fred Green. 96 00:06:07,079 --> 00:06:10,199 I would simply be listed on the score sheet as Bob. 97 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 2: Jones because of an I get that, because you. 98 00:06:14,079 --> 00:06:16,879 Speaker 1: Were an answer that's correct, you would get mister I 99 00:06:16,959 --> 00:06:22,120 would not. And here's the interesting thing. In the United Kingdom, 100 00:06:22,439 --> 00:06:25,120 I believe, all the way into the nineteen fifties, I 101 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:29,839 think professionals were not allowed in the clubhouse at all. 102 00:06:30,639 --> 00:06:32,920 They would have to change their shoes in the parking lot. 103 00:06:33,519 --> 00:06:37,399 Whoa yes. And one of the things that was really 104 00:06:37,399 --> 00:06:39,839 interesting about that too. You also have to remember in 105 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:44,319 a lot of golf tournaments, let's even in professional tournaments, 106 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:49,360 it wasn't a question of the top players in the field. 107 00:06:49,439 --> 00:06:51,959 Everybody in the field who made the cut got a paycheck. 108 00:06:52,879 --> 00:06:56,120 It wasn't that way at all. If you finished outside 109 00:06:56,199 --> 00:06:58,800 the top I don't know. If you finished outside the 110 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:04,399 top twenty, you didn't make anything. And even if you 111 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:07,240 finished in the you know, tied for twentieth, you might 112 00:07:07,319 --> 00:07:10,000 make fifty dollars, one hundred dollars. 113 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it wasn't going to pay your expenses for 114 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,000 the week, that's for sure. 115 00:07:13,199 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: No, No, That's why the Masters was always a very 116 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,800 radical tournament, and that was any professional who teed it 117 00:07:19,879 --> 00:07:24,000 up got a check. And there were a lot of 118 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:28,279 things about the Masters that were absolutely radical because that 119 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:32,120 never really sat well with my grandfather that professionals were 120 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:38,439 treated so, as he would say, shabbily by the golfing establishment. 121 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,639 So when he created the Masters, he wanted to make 122 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:47,319 sure that he wanted to make sure that the professionals 123 00:07:47,319 --> 00:07:49,319 were treated well, that they were able to come into 124 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,920 the clubhouse, that nobody got entered on the scoreboard differently 125 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:58,720 just because of their status within the game, and he 126 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:01,040 wanted to make sure that everybody out a check. Now, 127 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,480 some of that was driven by the fact that this 128 00:08:04,519 --> 00:08:07,040 is a tournament that's being held in Augusta and early 129 00:08:07,519 --> 00:08:11,240 at this point, originally in March, and so he had 130 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:14,279 to do something to get their interests to come. But 131 00:08:14,319 --> 00:08:16,360 it also had to do too with a lot of 132 00:08:16,360 --> 00:08:21,360 his own sense of fairness. But yeah, but golf in 133 00:08:21,399 --> 00:08:25,360 the twenties, the amateur game in many ways was it. 134 00:08:25,439 --> 00:08:28,240 I mean, I'll give you an idea. In nineteen twenty nine, 135 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,199 my grandfather went out to play in the US Amateur 136 00:08:31,319 --> 00:08:33,879 not too far from you, in Pebble Beach, and it 137 00:08:33,919 --> 00:08:36,240 was the first time the Amateur had ever been contested 138 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,200 west of the Mississippi, and that was nineteen twenty nine, 139 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:44,200 and he decided that, you know, back then, of course, 140 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,200 if you're going to it's not like you hop on 141 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:47,679 a jet and go out there. You have to take 142 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,200 a train. And he was planning on being on the 143 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,879 West coast for a couple of weeks, and so he 144 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:58,679 had made arrangements to go play the opening round at 145 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,399 Pasa Tiempo. But any rate he goes out to Pebble Beach, 146 00:09:02,759 --> 00:09:05,799 he's expected to go through that field like a hot 147 00:09:05,879 --> 00:09:09,320 knife through butter. And instead, in the very first round, 148 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,080 he was defeated by somebody that nobody had ever heard of. 149 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,759 A guy named Johnny Goodman beat him in the first round. 150 00:09:16,759 --> 00:09:20,320 Nobody had ever heard of Johnny Goodman. Well four years 151 00:09:20,399 --> 00:09:23,919 later they would because Johnny Goodman in nineteen thirty three 152 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,639 became the last amateur to ever win the United States Open. 153 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:30,759 So that gives you an idea as to just how 154 00:09:30,919 --> 00:09:36,519 good the amateur game was. And you know, bub never 155 00:09:36,799 --> 00:09:41,000 really had any desire to turn professional. One of the 156 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:43,399 reasons was that he used to just say to sort 157 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,000 of shut the conversation up is he would just say, well, 158 00:09:47,039 --> 00:09:48,639 you know, there is no money in the pro game. 159 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:51,000 I could just do better by being a lawyer and this, 160 00:09:51,039 --> 00:09:52,919 that and the other, but I had no money in 161 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,600 the program. Walter Hagen used to say, yeah, that's nice. 162 00:09:55,639 --> 00:09:59,279 If Bob Jones had turned pro, there would have been Yes, 163 00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:00,360 that would have changed Hiller. 164 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 2: He was well, he was incredibly popular in American culture, right, 165 00:10:04,759 --> 00:10:08,120 I mean, wasn't wasn't Bobby Jones the first person to 166 00:10:08,159 --> 00:10:10,840 ever receive a ticker tape parade in New York City, 167 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,559 A first golfer, the first golfer. 168 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's the only golfer to receive two two 169 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,159 of them, Yes, one in twenty six and one in 170 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,840 thirty amazing. Yes, and in fact, in fact, for a 171 00:10:24,879 --> 00:10:29,320 long time he was the only individual to receive two 172 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:35,240 John Glynn became the second and of course John Glenn 173 00:10:35,279 --> 00:10:39,240 had to orbit the Earth a few times to do that. 174 00:10:39,639 --> 00:10:42,720 Bub just had to hit a little golf ball. 175 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,799 Speaker 2: Virginia Earth twice round. 176 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:50,759 Speaker 1: Yes exactly, but yeah, so, but no he was People 177 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:55,039 just do not well think of it this way. In history, 178 00:10:55,279 --> 00:10:59,519 there have only been three people that have really moved 179 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,799 the knee in terms of the popularity of the game 180 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,679 of golf. The first one was Bobby Jones, the second 181 00:11:06,759 --> 00:11:10,879 was Arnold Palmer, and the third was Tiger Woods. They 182 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,960 brought they both brought tons of people into the game. 183 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,399 There would be There was so much interest that after 184 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,720 Bub retired after winning the Grand Slam in nineteen thirty, 185 00:11:23,159 --> 00:11:27,399 the USGA begged him to please come out of retirement 186 00:11:27,399 --> 00:11:31,240 and play in the nineteen thirty one US Open because 187 00:11:31,279 --> 00:11:34,080 they were terrified what would happen to the gate without 188 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:34,720 him there. 189 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,799 Speaker 2: Right, And it's a good thing they didn't have TV then. 190 00:11:38,879 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: Well that but the nineteen thirty US Amateur, which was 191 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,240 at Marion, which is where they finished up the Grand Slam. 192 00:11:45,600 --> 00:11:50,399 That was the first, I believe, one of the first, 193 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:57,000 one of the first golf tournaments to ever be broadcast 194 00:11:57,159 --> 00:12:01,360 live on radio and They had like two or three 195 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:10,200 kids who literally would just will unfold this cable all 196 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:13,759 over the golf course. So that's somebody with them microphone. 197 00:12:13,919 --> 00:12:16,799 Speaker 2: Oh my, yes, it's not as if it was like 198 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,159 Ronald Reagan doing baseball games off of a newswire right. 199 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,120 Speaker 1: No, No, they were. 200 00:12:22,039 --> 00:12:25,879 Speaker 2: Somebody actually there with a wired microphone running through the course. 201 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,159 Speaker 1: Yes, Grantlin Rice was actually the one who did it, 202 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:33,159 and he had a bunch of people. He had a 203 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:35,919 bunch of people following him and Marian. I mean, this 204 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,840 is for the United States Amateur and this is in 205 00:12:37,919 --> 00:12:40,399 nineteen thirty, you know, you're talking about the early stages 206 00:12:40,399 --> 00:12:45,759 of the depression, and there were still fifteen thousand people 207 00:12:45,759 --> 00:12:48,000 that came out to watch that final round at Marion. 208 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:54,679 I mean, it's just it's just people just don't They 209 00:12:54,759 --> 00:12:59,440 just don't even get how big a deal Bobby Jones was. 210 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,559 And so you know when Warner Brothers hired him to 211 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,559 do those instructional videos, which are still pretty darn good. 212 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,720 One of the reasons that made them so popular, that 213 00:13:09,799 --> 00:13:13,240 was so popular was because nobody most people knew who 214 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:18,559 Bobby Jones was. And they knew who Bobby Jones was, 215 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,159 but they'd never seen him hit a golf ball, right. 216 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,799 Speaker 2: They've never seen him as it was in broadcast, maybe 217 00:13:23,799 --> 00:13:26,000 a photograph, but they'd never seen him hit a. 218 00:13:26,039 --> 00:13:28,279 Speaker 1: Ball, never saw him swinging. And then now all of 219 00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:30,879 a sudden, you could go to your local movie theater 220 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,919 and Bobby Jones will hit golf balls and you'll get 221 00:13:34,919 --> 00:13:37,440 to see just how good he was. And it was 222 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,120 really is really quite an incredible thing. But I mean, 223 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:43,000 but there's also an interesting side to that as well, 224 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,159 because you know he, as I said, I mean, nobody 225 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:50,759 ever really really recognized him because it wasn't like the 226 00:13:50,799 --> 00:13:54,000 twenty four to seven news cycle, right. And so when 227 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,840 when they did the second ticker tape parade in New 228 00:13:56,919 --> 00:14:00,320 York City that night, Bub was out on this on 229 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:02,639 the street out in front of the Waldorf Astoria, and 230 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,399 they were sweeping up the street in front of him, 231 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,120 and Bub walked up to this policeman standing there in 232 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,200 one of those big New York overcoats, and Bub lit 233 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,600 a cigarette and he said to the copy he said, so, so, officer, 234 00:14:15,639 --> 00:14:18,240 what's all the fuss about. And the policeman just looked 235 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,120 at him and said, Ah, it's just a parade for 236 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:21,279 some damn golfer. 237 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,759 Speaker 2: When we talk about amateur golfers and professional golfers in 238 00:14:30,799 --> 00:14:34,879 those days, in the nineteen twenties thirties, so the amateur 239 00:14:34,879 --> 00:14:37,879 golfers were the competitive ones. The professional golfers were the 240 00:14:37,879 --> 00:14:42,960 golf instructors that were working at courses. But I'm sure 241 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,519 that they also made a lot of their living, as 242 00:14:46,919 --> 00:14:50,639 quote unquote professional golfers through gambling with people. 243 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: Oh most definitely, how did. 244 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: That sit with Bub? I mean, because the way you 245 00:14:56,679 --> 00:15:03,240 present him as being the proper Atlanta Southern gentleman, I 246 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:05,440 can't imagine he was a big fan of the gambling 247 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:05,919 part of it. 248 00:15:06,399 --> 00:15:08,559 Speaker 1: He wasn't a big fan of gambling on his own, 249 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,799 but he was. Bub was very much. Bub very much 250 00:15:12,799 --> 00:15:15,639 had a laissez faire attitude towards what other people did. 251 00:15:16,159 --> 00:15:18,000 I also have to remember, too, that two of his 252 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,000 dearest friends were people who were not always held up 253 00:15:21,039 --> 00:15:25,039 as paragons of virtue, one of course, being Walter Hagen 254 00:15:25,639 --> 00:15:32,919 and the other being Ty Cobb, the George Peach. And yeah, 255 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:38,799 so Bub was Bub was, actually he was. He was 256 00:15:39,399 --> 00:15:42,279 very What other people wanted to do as long as 257 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,320 they were pleasant company was fine with him. 258 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:53,759 Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, yeah, okay. We talk about the amateur play 259 00:15:53,879 --> 00:15:56,879 and how Tiger changed the game, and but Tiger was 260 00:15:57,159 --> 00:15:59,519 amateur champ for three years in a row. He was 261 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:06,480 recently on the podcast We had Steve Scott on and 262 00:16:06,639 --> 00:16:13,879 he tells the story about in Tiger's third championship, Amateur Championship, 263 00:16:14,679 --> 00:16:17,600 they were paired together as the final group, and he 264 00:16:17,639 --> 00:16:22,240 tells a great story about about helping Tiger move his 265 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:23,879 ball marker. 266 00:16:25,399 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: Tiger was getting ready to putt, is what it was. 267 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 2: So you know, you remember that event. 268 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: I saw it on TV. I didn't see you couldn't 269 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:41,360 hear it, but I mean if you were watching the broadcast, 270 00:16:41,399 --> 00:16:45,559 you saw it, right. But it was just Tiger had 271 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,399 marked his ball and had moved his mark because it 272 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:54,720 was in Steve's line, and Tiger wasn't obviously thinking, and 273 00:16:54,799 --> 00:16:56,720 he went to just put his ball back down and 274 00:16:56,759 --> 00:17:00,480 he was about to pick up his mark, and Steve, 275 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,960 in probably one of the greatest displays of sportsmanship I've 276 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:08,559 ever seen, said Tiger, you need to move your mark back. 277 00:17:09,279 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: That's the name of his book, it. 278 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:16,079 Speaker 1: Is, And Tiger was like, oh, thanks, and he moved 279 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,599 the mark back and then made the putt. 280 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 2: To make the putt to win. 281 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 1: Correct. 282 00:17:22,759 --> 00:17:25,839 Speaker 2: If he didn't tell him, it would have been a 283 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:27,759 two stroke penalty and Steve would have won. 284 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:30,079 Speaker 1: Well, it would have been Actually, no, it wouldn't have 285 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,440 been it was match play. It would have been an 286 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,039 automatic loss of hole. Oh okay, it would have been 287 00:17:35,039 --> 00:17:37,599 a loss of hole same but same outcome. Yes, yeah, 288 00:17:37,640 --> 00:17:39,960 you're right. It would have been two strokes if it 289 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,799 were stroke play, right, okay, but match play would have 290 00:17:43,799 --> 00:17:46,279 just been loss of hole. But the outcome that would 291 00:17:46,319 --> 00:17:49,559 have been the same effect. Yes, Tiger, you need to 292 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:51,880 move you. I wrote Steve a letter and I said, 293 00:17:52,039 --> 00:17:54,640 you know, that may be one of the finest acts 294 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:59,519 of sportsmanship that I have ever seen. You did, yes, 295 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:05,880 And he, in fact, Steve sent me a copy of 296 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,599 his book that it was written by It was ghost 297 00:18:08,599 --> 00:18:11,799 written with well, Trip Bowden wrote it with him. Trip's 298 00:18:11,799 --> 00:18:14,720 a very dear friend of mine and also as the 299 00:18:14,759 --> 00:18:16,759 son of a fellow member of mine at Sage Valley 300 00:18:16,759 --> 00:18:18,200 Golf Club in South Carolina. 301 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, yeah, amazing story. 302 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: It's a small world, yeah, but. 303 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:28,799 Speaker 2: It's and for everybody to know. Here's a great tip 304 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,759 that came out of that is that when you move 305 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,559 your ball flip your marker over. 306 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: Yes, you know who taught me that was there was 307 00:18:40,039 --> 00:18:43,440 a guy, a pro, a pro that I knew when 308 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:48,880 I was a teenager and had aspirations hopefully playing playing 309 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,599 golf competitively. I never did. I've never been competitive in golf. 310 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:58,440 Have fun. But I mean he told me. He told me, 311 00:18:58,519 --> 00:19:01,720 he said, yeah, always make sure mark your ball with 312 00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:06,559 a quarter or whatever coin you use, and mark it 313 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,319 heads up, and then when you move, have to move 314 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:13,000 your marker, flip it to tails so that you can 315 00:19:13,079 --> 00:19:15,640 you will always know by looking at that quarter or 316 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:19,640 that coin whether you need to move your mark he said. 317 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,160 Of course. Then the real trick is remembering where do 318 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:23,200 you have to move it too? 319 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:26,839 Speaker 2: Hopefully we're lining it up. But I mean, even the 320 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,319 people that I've told that tip to since I've learned 321 00:19:29,319 --> 00:19:32,480 it from Steve was like, everyone's like, oh, that's a 322 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:35,480 great tip. It's one of those tips that it's like, oh, 323 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,119 so simple. It falls in with the never if you 324 00:19:40,279 --> 00:19:43,559 have to take you're going from your golf cart path 325 00:19:43,599 --> 00:19:45,839 only whatever, and you're going up to the green and 326 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,240 you have to bring a wedge with you, you never 327 00:19:48,319 --> 00:19:50,480 just put your wedge down. You put it down between 328 00:19:50,519 --> 00:19:52,680 the flag, yes, and your cart. 329 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: Yes, so you. 330 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,599 Speaker 2: Never go to the next toll going I don't have 331 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:58,759 my wedge anymore. 332 00:19:58,880 --> 00:19:59,559 Speaker 1: Right, that's right. 333 00:20:00,079 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 2: That's another one. That's great tips that I've learned just 334 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,319 from having these kind of conversations. Yes, so I want 335 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,400 to know, I want to go back about what stories 336 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,720 do you have? And it's my favorite part of this year. 337 00:20:13,519 --> 00:20:16,839 Stories you have about Bub and Ty Cobb. 338 00:20:17,839 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: Well, they were just very very good friends. You know, 339 00:20:20,279 --> 00:20:24,599 they were both from Georgia. They frequently would go hunting 340 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:29,240 in South Georgia together Ty Cobb. At one point, I 341 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,400 forget what tournament it was, but is one of the 342 00:20:32,519 --> 00:20:36,559 national championships. And Cobb was following my grandfather and they 343 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:39,640 came onto this par three and there was like four 344 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:44,440 groups waiting on this par three. And so when Cobb 345 00:20:44,559 --> 00:20:48,000 got up to the tee, he found my grandfather just 346 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:51,839 sitting on the ground and he chewed my grandfather out. 347 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,839 He said, you never sit when you're in competition. It's 348 00:20:55,839 --> 00:20:57,880 going to tighten up your it's going to tighten up 349 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,079 your hip muscles, it's going to kill your rotation and 350 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,079 you won't get that back for two or three holes. 351 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,960 And so Bub always made sure after that that he 352 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,880 never would he never would sit down. 353 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 3: Uh. 354 00:21:12,079 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 1: You know, Cobb was one of these guys, though he 355 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:20,079 actually got a much worse reputation than he really deserved. 356 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 2: He he me for being a racist asshole. 357 00:21:24,599 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's actually been a couple of really interesting books 358 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:34,119 that actually say that that really wasn't true. Really, a 359 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:39,680 lot of this was the image that Cobb wanted to portray, 360 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:44,920 for example, like that, yeah that actually like like the 361 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,319 things about like on the baseball diamond, He actually was 362 00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:54,319 very fine sportsman, even though he would do stuff like 363 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:54,960 you know. 364 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,839 Speaker 2: Back then they with his cleats up. 365 00:21:57,279 --> 00:22:00,559 Speaker 1: Well, but not even that, wait, well they all did that. 366 00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:03,960 For What he would do was they would show pick. 367 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,799 These guys would like look over in the dugout when 368 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,200 Ty Cobb was in the dugout and he had his 369 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,480 shoe off and he had a file in his hand 370 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:20,079 and he was filing the spikes. So the message being 371 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,640 he's coming in cleets up and those things are sharp. 372 00:22:24,279 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 2: Exactly, they have traction, Definitely. 373 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: They definitely had traction. But yeah, but you know, bub 374 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,480 bub Bub definitely had some friends who qualified as characters. 375 00:22:37,799 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 2: Oh I bet well he was. 376 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,079 Speaker 1: He was in his own way. 377 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know you were his grandson. He wasn't playing golf, 378 00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:51,319 he wasn't well as you were conscious. How do you 379 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,400 know this stuff? I mean, I never called you out 380 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,880 on these stories, going, wait a minute, how do you know? 381 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: Here's the beauty of it. Here's the beauty of it. 382 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,920 You know, you know, Fred will never know. I could 383 00:23:03,079 --> 00:23:05,880 just be making it all up. Who's going to call 384 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:12,440 me out? Right? Actually, I've been very lucky. I've spent 385 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,839 a lot of time talking with people that knew him well. 386 00:23:15,759 --> 00:23:18,079 And there are probably some folks. I think of one 387 00:23:18,079 --> 00:23:22,079 of my dearest friends, Sidney Matthew, who's a great golf historian, 388 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:27,240 a fantastic lawyer down in Tallahassee. And Sydney and I 389 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:31,759 Sidney probably knows more about my grandfather than I ever will, 390 00:23:32,759 --> 00:23:35,480 and since told me a lot of this stuff. And 391 00:23:35,519 --> 00:23:37,359 I said, well, you need to tell this story. And 392 00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:42,440 Sydney would say to me, no, you do, he said, 393 00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:48,440 for me, coming from me, it means nothing, But you 394 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,240 need to tell the stories. And he said, I'm going 395 00:23:51,279 --> 00:23:53,759 to tell you a little secret. He said, I'm going 396 00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:56,400 to tell you a little secret. If you don't tell 397 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,880 the stories, then you're leaving it for somebody else too, 398 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,680 who may not have the same love for your grandfather 399 00:24:04,799 --> 00:24:08,599 that you do. I've never really forgotten that, and so 400 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:14,839 I see that very much as a responsibility that I have. 401 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,599 I've often said that one of the goals that I 402 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:24,359 would like is to make my grandfather come alive in 403 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,279 color for a new generation. And what that means is 404 00:24:29,519 --> 00:24:34,200 seeing him not just as somebody about whom we tell 405 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,799 funny stories, somebody who did great things on the golf course, 406 00:24:39,839 --> 00:24:43,640 which and all of those things are true, but as 407 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,839 somebody that was a real, flesh and blood human being 408 00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:51,799 who had many, many great personality traits and many that 409 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:58,279 were not so great. And that's important because if you 410 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,160 make if the man becomes a real, honest to God 411 00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:05,839 human being, then it kind of makes what he did 412 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:14,000 even even more special and certainly more important. So so 413 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,160 I take this response. I mean, I have fun with it, 414 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:22,519 but but it's serious because you know, I'm not getting 415 00:25:22,519 --> 00:25:25,559 any younger, Fred, I'm going to be sixty eight in 416 00:25:25,599 --> 00:25:29,400 another few months, and you know, you start, you get 417 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,319 you get to your late sixties, and you start thinking 418 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,079 about what's the legacy that I want to leave behind, 419 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,680 which I don't want to do anytime soon. 420 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 2: It's interesting that you talked about your feeling and getting 421 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:58,359 that advice about carrying on the legacy of your grandfather 422 00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:01,599 and better for you to do it than somebody else. 423 00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:09,480 When growing up in the Atlanta area with the name 424 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:17,279 Bobby Jones Bob Jones, was that difficult as a child 425 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,039 or was that did you feel like there was attention 426 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,680 on you? I don't want to ask too many questions 427 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,640 because I want to let you answer the question. But 428 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:29,440 about the attention, you know, positive negative? However, what was 429 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,920 that like for you? 430 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,599 Speaker 1: Well, it was difficult. First of all. I did not 431 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,720 grow up in the Atlanta area though, I grew up 432 00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:40,480 in western Massachusetts. But I was born in nineteen fifty 433 00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,680 seven and in the nineteen fifties and sixties, though it 434 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,759 really didn't matter where you grew up. If you had 435 00:26:46,759 --> 00:26:52,680 a name like Bobby Jones, it was everybody knew that. Sure, yeah, 436 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,920 And there was always a certain amount of pressure that 437 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,799 came with it. I mean, number one, the pressure was 438 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:06,039 the question do you play golf? And you know, my father, 439 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,759 of course went through that same thing. And my dad 440 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,000 was actually a very fine player. He was a plus 441 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,960 three handicap at his peak, but you know, played in 442 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,759 three national amateurs and yet he always felt he was 443 00:27:18,759 --> 00:27:21,599 a very second rate golfer. Well, yeah, compared to who 444 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,400 he was, you know, looking who he was compared to. Yes, 445 00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:28,960 my handicap at its best got down to a minus three, 446 00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:30,880 which is still not too shabby. 447 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,279 Speaker 2: No, but it's not too ere quality. But it's really impressive. 448 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: It's comfortable, and up until a year and a half 449 00:27:38,279 --> 00:27:44,039 ago it was always in single digits. But you know, 450 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,799 I mean I always thought of myself as just not 451 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,519 too terribly good. But again, of considering who I'm compared to, 452 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,839 I think I think it was much harder on my 453 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,160 dad than it was for me, but it was still 454 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:04,160 awfully intimidating on me. Like, for example, I for many 455 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,000 years could not play golf club play with clubs that 456 00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:12,440 had my grandfather's signature on them because I just couldn't 457 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,720 look at it. It was too intimidating. So if I 458 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:19,160 got a club from Spalding that had the Jones logo 459 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:21,599 on it, I'd either have the decal put out on 460 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,519 the toe of the club where I couldn't see it, 461 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,839 or I would just have the top of the club 462 00:28:27,319 --> 00:28:32,680 just made solid, solid in color. And you know that 463 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:38,160 eventually changed and I actually got to a point where 464 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,319 I would have I started using this back in the 465 00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:45,119 old days. I was using Tony Penno woods. And first 466 00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:46,920 thing I did when I'd get a penna that Pe 467 00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:49,559 used to make clubs for McGregor. They were really wonderful 468 00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:52,319 and I would make I would whenever I would get 469 00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:53,759 a penna, the first thing I do is I'd have 470 00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:58,839 it stripped down and then refinished and I would have 471 00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:00,839 a Jones signature on top of them. 472 00:29:01,319 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 2: Why because by that time I liked it ok. 473 00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:06,759 Speaker 1: And I wanted to see my grandfather's name on it. 474 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,880 And the joke was the guy said, we you know, 475 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,039 really I shouldn't do this because it's not a spalding 476 00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:15,279 club and we shouldn't put a spalding sticker on a 477 00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:18,000 non spalding club. But considering that's your name too, we 478 00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:22,839 can just say we're putting your name club. So, yeah, 479 00:29:23,079 --> 00:29:25,799 it was difficult, But did you As I've gotten older, 480 00:29:25,839 --> 00:29:26,680 it's gotten easier. 481 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. Were there ever times in your life where people 482 00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:34,119 tried to take advantage or get in close because oh 483 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,240 I can maybe I can get somewhere because the name 484 00:29:36,319 --> 00:29:38,880 is Bobby Jones Or did you ever feel that was 485 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:39,640 happening to you? 486 00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: It does, that happened. But you know, one of the 487 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,359 things growing up is that in my family is that 488 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:55,119 we are My father and my mother were very good 489 00:29:55,160 --> 00:30:00,000 at training my sisters in me how to deal with 490 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:06,160 situations like that and to deal with them graciously and 491 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,720 so that kind of that that helped a lot. So, 492 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:18,079 you know, so generally speaking, like we were always taught. 493 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,119 You know, you're going to have people who come out 494 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:25,519 of the woodwork every February and they're only coming out 495 00:30:25,559 --> 00:30:26,359 for one reason. 496 00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 2: Tickets. 497 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I mean it's okay, I don't mind, 498 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:42,319 you know, I don't, but you know, you know when 499 00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:45,559 it's going to happen. You've I guess this is so 500 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,759 far we've made it. I guess about half an hour 501 00:30:47,799 --> 00:30:50,400 into this, I've yet to be called golf royalty, but 502 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:50,880 I guess. 503 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:52,519 Speaker 2: Uh, I'm going there. 504 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: You know, you're going there. One of the things is 505 00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:00,480 is that we were taught very definitely how do you 506 00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:06,359 conduct yourself in those circumstances. How do you learn. 507 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:11,319 Speaker 3: How to navigate the fact that you've got a first 508 00:31:11,319 --> 00:31:17,359 degree blood relation who is to this day one hundred 509 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,119 years after his greatest accomplishments and one hundred and what 510 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:27,119 this year, it's one hundred and twenty three years after 511 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:27,640 his birth. 512 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:34,519 Speaker 1: Is still larger than life. How do you deal with that? 513 00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:40,279 You know? And I'm very fortunate in that I had 514 00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:43,559 good parents who taught me how to do that and 515 00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:48,440 how to do that with some grace and decorum in 516 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:54,200 a way that leaves people comfortable having dealt with me. 517 00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:59,000 And I'm also very fortunate in that I've got some 518 00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:05,200 good friends. I'm thinking particularly a friend of mine, Charlie Yates, 519 00:32:05,799 --> 00:32:10,680 very here in Atlanta. You know, Charlie and I we 520 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:16,400 share an awful lot of background together, and uh, you know, 521 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:21,160 we have a lot of trust with each other because 522 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:24,599 you know, he's part of one of the great GalF 523 00:32:24,599 --> 00:32:30,720 families of the state of Georgia, and uh we we've 524 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,559 had to contend with a lot of the same stuff 525 00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:36,920 over the years. So I don't wish I could do 526 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,319 it half as well as Charlie does. 527 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:45,599 Speaker 2: Yeah. So, as we're recording this weeks before it's being published, 528 00:32:45,599 --> 00:32:48,240 and it's being published as we I always want to. 529 00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:51,079 Speaker 1: Do, actually recording this on Bub's birthday. 530 00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:58,480 Speaker 2: Oh Saint Patrick's day. That's awesome. Happy birthday, Bob, Happy birthday. Great. Well, 531 00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:03,160 it's being well being published this the week of the Masters, 532 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,599 as I do every year because it's perfect to have 533 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:11,920 you on at that time, and interestingly enough, this year, 534 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,799 as this show is being published, I am in Atlanta. 535 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:20,640 I am actually in Georgia. Yes, I am going with 536 00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:25,720 a friend who invited me to go to the Masters. 537 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,440 We're hoping to go practice around Wednesday and go to 538 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,359 a tournament round on Thursday, play golf the rest of 539 00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:35,640 the week. But he gets his tickets from a mutual 540 00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:40,880 friend of his, Charlie Yates Junior. So talk about it 541 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,519 all coming back around. 542 00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 1: Me tell you, let me tell you Charlie is. Charlie 543 00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:50,759 is an incredible guy. He besides a very successful career, 544 00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:56,279 Charlie is probably he probably wouldn't like me saying this, 545 00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,000 but I mean, Charlie has done so much in support 546 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,440 of the YMCA here in Atlanta. And then one of 547 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,680 the things that he has done that is he has 548 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:11,719 been absolutely instrumental, in no pun intended, in bringing about 549 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,840 this renaissance that the Atlanta Opera has experienced over the 550 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,199 last ten or fifteen years, to the point now to 551 00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,039 where the Atlanta Opera is considered one of the ten 552 00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:29,079 finest opera houses in the United States. And that's to 553 00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:32,400 a large extent, Charlie would never agree with this, but 554 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:36,119 that to a large extent is due to his absolutely 555 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:40,159 relentless work in developing helping develop that company. 556 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 2: Well, Charlie Yates Senior, Yes, has a history in professional golf. Correct, 557 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,559 I mean we're talking about Charlie late Charlie Yates like 558 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:54,639 people were assuming people know who that is. But explain 559 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,000 Charlie's legacy. 560 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 1: Well, Charlie Yates, he didn't like being called Charlie Yates senior. 561 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:06,480 But Charlie Yates was a very very fine amateur golfer 562 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,119 who grew up at the Atlanta Athletic Club. And in fact, 563 00:35:10,159 --> 00:35:13,000 he used to say how he used to sneak under 564 00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:15,480 the fence at the Athletic Club to go watch Bobby 565 00:35:15,559 --> 00:35:20,719 Jones play golf. And he said that the highlight of 566 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,360 his time as a young man was when he would 567 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:28,000 go into the when he would go into the clubhouse 568 00:35:28,159 --> 00:35:32,880 and Bob Jones would buy him a bottle of Coca Cola, or, 569 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,079 as Charlie used to call it, the great Elixir of 570 00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:40,079 Atlanta and Charlie became a really outstanding amateur golfer. He 571 00:35:40,119 --> 00:35:43,719 won the NCAA title when he was at Tech. He 572 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,800 won the British Amateur in nineteen thirty eight at Royal 573 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:54,559 Troon and in fact he played in the Walker Cup 574 00:35:54,599 --> 00:36:01,480 that year and unfortunately the United States team lost the 575 00:36:01,559 --> 00:36:03,880 Walker Cup. And I believe it was at the Old 576 00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,000 Course in St. Andrews. And when Charlie was brought up 577 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:15,519 at the trophy presentation, before the trophy was presented, Charlie 578 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,360 led everybody. He said, there's just one thing I can 579 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,800 add to all of this, and he started singing the 580 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:24,239 old Scottish song A Wee Doc and Doris, which is 581 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,880 in Scottish, which is Scottish for a week, a small 582 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,280 Scotch and soda. And several people had said that Charlie 583 00:36:31,679 --> 00:36:33,679 Charlie got more mileage out of A Wee Doc and 584 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,039 Doris than Bing Crosby did out of White Christmas. But 585 00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:42,280 Charlie was a member of Augusta National almost from the 586 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,280 very beginning. He was the he handled the press for decades. 587 00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:51,400 So in addition to being an outstanding golfer, he also 588 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,320 made great contributions to the game of golf. He won 589 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,000 the Bob Jones Award one year, for which the USGA 590 00:36:57,079 --> 00:37:00,280 gifts for sportsmanship. But even more than that were the 591 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,920 contributions that he made to the city of Atlanta. Not 592 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,599 the least I mean, good Lord, not the least of 593 00:37:05,639 --> 00:37:07,840 which was he was instrumental in the development of the 594 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:13,039 Woodroff Arts Center, which is no small achievement. I mean, 595 00:37:13,159 --> 00:37:16,480 in many, many ways, Charlie is one of those people 596 00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:21,039 that which Atlanta is what it is today, and his 597 00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:23,920 son has continued in that same legacy. It's really quite 598 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,559 it's really I'm kind of amazed they let me hang 599 00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:31,480 on to them like a pilot fish. 600 00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:34,599 Speaker 2: But it's interesting because you talked about how your father 601 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,599 being the son of the famous person at such a 602 00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:42,320 difficult time, at much more difficult time than you did, 603 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:47,400 carrying that name, and so that puts Charlie, your friend 604 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:52,119 Charlie into that position of being the first generation removed 605 00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:56,039 from the fame. Did he do you know if he's 606 00:37:56,119 --> 00:37:58,559 had those struggles as well, or because he. 607 00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 1: Has, it hasn't shown. So if he has, he's certainly learned, 608 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,679 he's certainly mastered the art well. Much like my grandfather 609 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,519 said to a young man at Pasa Tiempo when he said, Bob, 610 00:38:11,519 --> 00:38:13,199 how do you play in front of all these people? 611 00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:15,760 Don't you get nervous? And Bub looked back at him 612 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,800 and said, I get horribly nervous. The trick is not 613 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:18,880 to let them see it. 614 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,840 Speaker 2: I'm gonna dig into this a little bit deeper. And 615 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,480 I appreciate you answering, and if you don't, we'll move on. 616 00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:40,199 So we we we talk about you know, you being 617 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:47,719 third generation but also being raised with how to handle yourself. 618 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,800 And I'm sure I don't remember you have siblings. I 619 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,800 do you do have siblings? You have probably have cousins 620 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,519 as well. All right, so you and and we all 621 00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:03,679 kind of grew up in the rebellious sixties and seventies. 622 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:09,599 So did everybody buy into this? Of your siblings and cousins? 623 00:39:09,639 --> 00:39:12,840 Did you all buy into this? Yes, we understand how 624 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,239 we're supposed to carry ourselves. Or were there son that's like, yep, 625 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,119 moving to California, go buy I don't want to be 626 00:39:18,119 --> 00:39:18,480 part of this. 627 00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:21,320 Speaker 1: Well, no, not to California necessarily, but we did have 628 00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,079 people go well, my sister went to New York. But nonetheless, 629 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,800 when it came to having to do things that are 630 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,360 related to the family. Yes, we all bought into it. 631 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,519 One of the things that I've always thought was really 632 00:39:33,559 --> 00:39:39,599 fascinating is that the seven of us in this generation sometimes, 633 00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:42,519 like any family, we will fight like cats and dogs. 634 00:39:43,159 --> 00:39:46,800 But when it comes to issues about our family business 635 00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:52,159 or about our grandfather and his legacy, if you've spoken 636 00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:53,880 to one of us, you've spoken to all of us. 637 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:58,760 It's really I don't know too many families that have 638 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:03,360 gotten two, you know, in the second generation, removed from 639 00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,639 the person who was the famous person where you could 640 00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:10,440 find that type of agreement. I just don't know of 641 00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:15,480 too many, but we do so, Yeah, we do so. 642 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:20,840 Speaker 2: Right now, as I mentioned, I'm strolling the grounds of 643 00:40:21,639 --> 00:40:25,119 Augusta National. I'm like freaking out, having a blast. I 644 00:40:25,159 --> 00:40:27,000 already know this. This is weeks and events, and I know 645 00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:28,719 that I'm going to be going out of my mind here, 646 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,159 especially going well, I don't have a camera. I need 647 00:40:32,199 --> 00:40:33,639 a camera. No, sorry, you cannot. 648 00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:35,559 Speaker 1: The most important thing is not a camera. It's a 649 00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:36,079 credit card. 650 00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:40,880 Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead, yeah right, Oh, that's my lifeline, 651 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,599 is what it is. Can you walk us all through, 652 00:40:45,679 --> 00:40:50,519 because you know, getting to go to the Masters is 653 00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:53,639 not something you could just go on stub hub and 654 00:40:53,639 --> 00:40:57,519 buy tickets, and this is a very very tough ticket 655 00:40:57,599 --> 00:41:02,239 to get A and B. It is the biggest week 656 00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:06,840 of the PGA's year, no question about it. 657 00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,800 Speaker 1: PGA Tour this week of the entire golf world. 658 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,639 Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah. Now that it now that the golf world 659 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,519 is kind of moved beyond the PGA Tour, it is, 660 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,840 it is it, and I'd love it if you can 661 00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:27,719 like give us a tour of what a week is 662 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,519 like and what your week is like at Augusta National. 663 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,079 Speaker 1: Well, it's been a long time since I've gone for 664 00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:38,239 the entire week. Normally, I just go on the weekend 665 00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:40,880 because I do this thing called work. 666 00:41:42,159 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 2: Literally, I just go for the weekend. I know, come on, 667 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,360 you're going to the Masters every year anyway, But it's 668 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,400 work there. 669 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,639 Speaker 1: Well no, I mean I work during the week. No. 670 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,800 Speaker 2: I understand that you're talking to me from your office 671 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:03,400 right now and you're a psychoical clinical psychologists, right right, okay, 672 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,559 so but still the family work. Yes, this is what 673 00:42:08,599 --> 00:42:10,239 you're doing when you're going to the Master. 674 00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,599 Speaker 1: Very much, very much. Royalty is there and I appreciate that, 675 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:21,519 thank you. But you know, I think going to the Masters, 676 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:27,000 especially when people go for the first time. I think 677 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,239 the most important thing is just to take it in. 678 00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:36,400 There are two ways to get into the Masters, legal ways, 679 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:41,159 I should say. One is that you get to drive 680 00:42:41,199 --> 00:42:46,800 down Magnolia Lane. The second one, which is in many 681 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,199 ways as impressive, is you come in through the main 682 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:58,199 gate on the what would be the eastern side of 683 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,159 the property, which is probably where you'll come in. And 684 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:07,079 what happens is you go through the security and you 685 00:43:07,159 --> 00:43:11,440 go underneath what used to be Berkman's Road, and then 686 00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:15,039 you come up the other side of it into the sunlight, 687 00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,519 and all of a sudden you are in. You're on 688 00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:26,039 AUGUSTA National, and you'll see the press buildings on the left, 689 00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:29,199 the press building on the left, which my dear friend 690 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,559 Martin Davis once said, that press building is so impressive. 691 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,760 He said, is what it is what God would have 692 00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,480 built if he had the money. And you'll see just 693 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:44,400 buildings down the right side of your walkway and just 694 00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:48,599 all like that, gleaming white with the dark dark green 695 00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,719 shutter or black. They're so dark they're almost black and 696 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,199 it might be black now, and you'll just see that. 697 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,559 And as you walk down you'll see the practice tea 698 00:43:56,679 --> 00:43:59,440 coming up on your left, and it's like the sense 699 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,800 of antisse a patient that just builds as you get closer. 700 00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:05,599 And then you turn right and you go down into 701 00:44:05,679 --> 00:44:09,119 the patron's pavilion. That's where you need your credit card, 702 00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:13,920 by the way, and then you just go a little 703 00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,239 bit farther and you walk underneath these trees, and then 704 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,079 all of a sudden there's that big main scoreboard on 705 00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:24,119 the right and this vista of the golf course right 706 00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:27,519 in front of you. And I always say to people, 707 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,280 just don't be in a hurry to get to the 708 00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:36,800 golf course. Really savor every step that you take getting 709 00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:41,800 to it, because there's nothing like it in the entire 710 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,639 world of sports. And then if you get there early 711 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,159 enough in the day, one of the things that I 712 00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:52,360 would suggest you do, even before you do any retail therapy, 713 00:44:54,079 --> 00:45:00,000 is walk down to Amen corner, especially before the players 714 00:45:00,119 --> 00:45:05,159 start getting there, so you can just see it. So 715 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,320 you can just see it, and it's there. There is 716 00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:14,239 no place in the entire golf world that is as 717 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:19,519 impressive as Augusta National in the springtime. It is it 718 00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:23,280 is just there is nothing nothing like it. The other thing, 719 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,159 I mean, the other stuff is a little bit more practical. 720 00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,639 I mean, if you're going to do any shopping, best 721 00:45:28,679 --> 00:45:31,119 to do that in the middle of the day, when 722 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,840 the traffic is a little bit less. But one other 723 00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,079 but that's who cares. Let me give you the big advice. 724 00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:40,480 If you really want to see the golf course, best 725 00:45:40,519 --> 00:45:45,239 way to see it walk it backwards. Oh, walk it 726 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,800 backwards so that you're not walking with like all of 727 00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,320 a sudden you get caught up in a group and 728 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:53,920 you're like ten deep. You're constantly going against the grain, 729 00:45:54,039 --> 00:45:57,039 and so you get to see more. And then there 730 00:45:57,039 --> 00:46:00,880 are wonderful, wonderful grand stands through out where you get 731 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:06,480 to see multiple scenes from the same location. So I mean, 732 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,920 it's just if you just have like one or two 733 00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:14,960 days to go, just I would just say, savor it. 734 00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:18,480 The tendency is to get so anxious about it that 735 00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:21,599 I got to see it all. Now you really don't, 736 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,280 You really don't. There are certain parts I like to see, 737 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,199 Like my favorite hole is the one probably not many 738 00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:31,480 people's favorite, but on the front nine my whole. My 739 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:36,800 favorite hole is number five. What well, not so much now, 740 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,960 but it used to be the most strategically demanding golf 741 00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:45,159 hole on the entire golf course and back back in 742 00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:53,000 the seventies, particularly the approach into number five was I 743 00:46:53,039 --> 00:46:56,960 mean really challenging. You could either, you know, vomb it 744 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:00,000 into the green or you could play a run up 745 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:02,639 shot into the green. I mean, the t shot was 746 00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,679 really really demanding. Now that they've stretched the hole out 747 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,280 to where it's about eight zillion yards long, some of 748 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,239 that strategy has kind of gone away. And that's nothing 749 00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:15,440 really bad. I mean, they've had to do it because 750 00:47:16,639 --> 00:47:22,199 the game has just changed. But five is a great 751 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,599 one to see. My favorite hole in the back nine. 752 00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,159 Most people might find this surprising, but strangely enough, my 753 00:47:28,159 --> 00:47:30,639 favorite hole in the back nine is the only hole 754 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:37,159 on the entire golf course that doesn't have a bunker. Fourteen, right, 755 00:47:37,519 --> 00:47:41,719 I love fourteen. It is the wildest hole because it's 756 00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:44,000 got a putt. When they cut the pin on the 757 00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:47,960 left hand side, on the back left, you can stand 758 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,119 and look at that putt. If you're right of that hole, 759 00:47:50,199 --> 00:47:52,280 you can stand and look at that putt and you 760 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,519 will swear to me, Fred Green, this putt is moving 761 00:47:55,639 --> 00:48:00,880 left right, but it doesn't it breaks right much, but 762 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,079 it does move right. Okay, incredibly challenged. 763 00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:10,320 Speaker 2: So you just gave me an incredibly important view for 764 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,719 me to have as a tour guide. Yes, I was 765 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,920 asking about what's it like for you, Bob Jones the 766 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:22,039 fourth when you're there? Are you there as a fan 767 00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:25,239 only or no? 768 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:30,239 Speaker 1: I'm there. I am there because the club is very 769 00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,719 generous and make sure that my wife and I have 770 00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:38,119 a very nice credential. But I'm also there because I mean, 771 00:48:39,039 --> 00:48:43,760 I'm representing my grandfather and I'm representing my family, and 772 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:50,400 I never, I never try to forget that, and I 773 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,760 don't know that I could forget it even if I 774 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:53,360 if I could. 775 00:48:53,639 --> 00:48:57,239 Speaker 2: Are there? Do they have official duties that they. 776 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:01,119 Speaker 1: No, No, no, they are perfectly content just to let 777 00:49:01,159 --> 00:49:05,320 you come and just enjoy, and they provide wonderful credentials. 778 00:49:06,679 --> 00:49:09,960 And we do have a wonderful time. And what's the 779 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,559 most important thing at Augusta, strangely enough, even more than 780 00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:17,400 the golf course, is I get to see people that 781 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,159 I only see that one time of year, sure, and 782 00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:25,440 yet I've seen them every year for forty five years. 783 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,880 Forty yeah, forty years. And sometimes you know, we're getting 784 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:31,760 together and we're talking about friends of ours that aren't here. Anymore, 785 00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,880 and we're remembering them. And most of the time we're 786 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,800 remembering people, we're remembering people with a smile. And you know, 787 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:45,639 that's one of the great things about the Masters. Is 788 00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:49,880 it partially because it's the time of year, partially because 789 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,760 it's the place, and partially it's because the man of 790 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:57,119 the man who founded the tournament. But it is in 791 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:02,239 many ways it is the ultimate, even more than Baseball's 792 00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:10,079 opening day. It is the right of spring. It really is. 793 00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:14,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and actually it really does, especially especially for 794 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,400 the golf world. It's like, oh good, the Masters. That 795 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:18,960 means I can go start warming up again. 796 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,760 Speaker 1: That's right. I mean, you got to understand, for half 797 00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,039 the country, the country is either has either just dug 798 00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:29,800 out of snow or digging out of snow. And this 799 00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,519 is sort of the sign. I mean, the azaleas are blooming, 800 00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:35,559 the flowers and the dogwoods are blooming. And if the 801 00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:38,159 azaleas aren't blooming, I'm sure they'll find a way to 802 00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:38,960 make the bloo. 803 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,800 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, other than the Masters, it's really 804 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:48,159 like the Ryder Cup, you know, team golf that really 805 00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,079 makes the everyone stop, but nothing like the Masters. And 806 00:50:53,679 --> 00:50:57,920 even more so now that We're oversaturated on baseball with 807 00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:02,639 you know, games every day and uh spring training and stuff, 808 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,639 and the inn League play on opening day makes me 809 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,199 just I don't even want to get started with that one. 810 00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:16,119 But no, the Masters really is this sign that everything 811 00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:18,079 is going to be okay in the world. 812 00:51:18,599 --> 00:51:21,119 Speaker 1: The only the only thing in sports that I think 813 00:51:21,159 --> 00:51:24,559 even remotely compares with it. There are two things that 814 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:27,119 are and it's going to sound strange when I say it, 815 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,119 but there are two things in sports that will remotely 816 00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:32,519 compare with the Masters. 817 00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:34,960 Speaker 2: Okay. 818 00:51:35,639 --> 00:51:40,639 Speaker 1: Number one is Wimbledon, sure, held at the same place 819 00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:47,320 every year. It is that sports hallmark event. It really is, right. 820 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,880 And the second is, and I'm almost scared to say this, 821 00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,559 the Daytona five hundred. 822 00:51:55,679 --> 00:51:59,079 Speaker 2: Well different, k I know that the Daytona five hundred 823 00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:05,519 is the super Bowl of stock car racing NASCAR, but 824 00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:10,599 it's the opening of the season. But it doesn't signify 825 00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,159 springtime like those two that you just brought. 826 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:16,360 Speaker 1: That one held it's still held in the winter. 827 00:52:17,039 --> 00:52:22,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So the Masters really says everybody, come on outside, 828 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,920 it's beautiful, We're going to get to play now for 829 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,639 a couple months. 830 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,360 Speaker 1: Wimbledon is held in the middle of. 831 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:32,840 Speaker 2: The summer exactly. Yeah, it's an important event for the sport, 832 00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:37,519 but it doesn't mean for the culture what the Masters 833 00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:38,519 really significant. 834 00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:43,280 Speaker 1: Funny because, and it's so funny because because that wasn't 835 00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,239 the original plan for the Masters. Sure, it was originally 836 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,039 supposed to be in March, and when they finally decided 837 00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,719 to move it to April, they decided to move it 838 00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,400 to the first full week of April. And the funniest 839 00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,559 part is that somebody went to Cliff Roberts and they 840 00:52:59,559 --> 00:53:01,800 said to him, mister Roberts, don't you understand that if 841 00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:04,119 you move this tournament to the first full week of 842 00:53:04,159 --> 00:53:10,360 April about once or twice every four or five years, 843 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,000 that Sunday of the Masters is going to overlap with 844 00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:18,440 Easter Sunday. And Cliff said, well, can't they move it? 845 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,840 Speaker 2: Did he say, oh, but it's also passover? 846 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:28,159 Speaker 1: No he didn't. 847 00:53:28,599 --> 00:53:29,519 Speaker 2: He didn't say that. 848 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:30,679 Speaker 1: No. 849 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:37,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, Now, did we complete in the beginning of our conversation, 850 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:40,480 you were talking about the Bobby Jones Centennial? Did we 851 00:53:40,519 --> 00:53:42,920 complete the lineup of what's going on? What's happening in 852 00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:43,800 twenty twenty five? 853 00:53:44,679 --> 00:53:47,599 Speaker 1: Well, we get there, five, we have don't have anything 854 00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,079 set yet. For twenty twenty see, but that will be 855 00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:57,159 the centennial will be at Oakmont this year, and we're 856 00:53:57,199 --> 00:54:00,639 hoping we can get something worked out with them. I 857 00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,599 was lucky enough to be able to go to Inwood 858 00:54:02,599 --> 00:54:07,599 Country Club in twenty twenty three and play golf, play 859 00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:11,079 around of golf there on the actual one hundredth anniversary 860 00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:16,440 day that you won. And then last September I went 861 00:54:16,519 --> 00:54:21,079 to Marion and played around at Marion, not on one 862 00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:23,920 hundredth anniversary, but it was in the same month at least, 863 00:54:24,119 --> 00:54:26,920 and then spoke at a dinner there that night. The 864 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,400 funniest part was I went there with a big leg injury, 865 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,559 and so I was walking around Marian's a walking only 866 00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:35,159 golf course. My wife was with me, and Mimi said 867 00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:37,360 to me, on about the third hole, she could see 868 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:40,280 I was in really bad pain, and she said, Bobarre, 869 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:42,039 you sure you want to do this. I said, Honey, 870 00:54:42,119 --> 00:54:44,880 this is Marion. I don't care if somebody has to 871 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,559 come out and drag me around this golf course. I'm 872 00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:48,639 finishing this round. 873 00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:49,320 Speaker 2: Here you go. 874 00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:52,599 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I did a man. Now I was a man. 875 00:54:53,079 --> 00:54:55,719 I was in agony for about two weeks afterwards, but 876 00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,480 it was worth every bit of it. 877 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,760 Speaker 2: Well. As always, this conversation is one of my favorite 878 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,760 of the year, not not just because of the history 879 00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,639 that I get to learn that I don't really know 880 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,400 much about, but I get a perspective on the history. 881 00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,239 And you and I have so much fun together. I mean, 882 00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,719 we do really come right down to it. We both 883 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,199 enjoy doing this together. And I really appreciate you coming 884 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:28,079 on this show and saying nice things about it and 885 00:55:28,679 --> 00:55:32,559 being available for me. So we can have this conversation. 886 00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:33,800 Speaker 1: Well, you know, and I can do it outside of 887 00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:35,800 the outside of the month of April too, So just 888 00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:36,159 so you. 889 00:55:36,119 --> 00:55:40,079 Speaker 2: Know, well we've had you on talking with doctor Joe 890 00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:45,440 parent that's right, you know, it's I want yeah, absolutely 891 00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:50,360 doctors so perfect to have you now, it is, yeah, 892 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,880 And hopefully you know you have not I did not 893 00:55:54,039 --> 00:55:56,960 ask you for the tickets. You have not gotten these tickets, 894 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,400 And so I hope I get to see you when 895 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,519 I'm when I there, because I really would love to 896 00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:03,559 meet you face to face. 897 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,159 Speaker 1: I would It's hard to believe after a number of 898 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:10,559 years that we've never actually met in person. 899 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:14,719 Speaker 2: No, it's that. Yeah, I definitely hope we can do that. 900 00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,079 We tried last year we did and couldn't do it 901 00:56:18,159 --> 00:56:21,400 and something came up. But that's okay, that's life, and 902 00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:22,199 try to get here. 903 00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:23,000 Speaker 1: We're getting there. 904 00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:26,280 Speaker 2: Doctor Bob Jones, the fourth always a pleasure to have 905 00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:26,880 one of the show. 906 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:29,519 Speaker 1: That pleasure is mine and I just loved doing this. 907 00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:31,280 It's good to see you, my friends.