1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and Jim and welcome back to the gen 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:08,759 V season two review series. I am the bathe Trust 3 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,240 Now I'm joined. 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 2: By the exploratory toy Taylor Field. 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,399 Speaker 1: Oh my god. So yes we're back to talk about 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:20,480 some soups and badness going on with GENV. Obviously we're back. 7 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:23,559 We reviewed the last two episodes. Lots of other reviews 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,920 on the feeds right now. Peacemaker is still happening, Lots 9 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,559 of good stuff on the Patreon right now. Both the 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:31,920 Tron movies getting ready for tront Aris. We just viewed 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,479 White Man Can't Jump. They'll be bike riders, they'll be 12 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,799 Hallween Ratchel. There's lots of good stuff happening on Patreon 13 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:39,560 as well. Then you got Tress told you twice a week, 14 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,799 you had side Quest, you got a bunch of other stuff, 15 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,119 tons of things happening. So everything you need to know 16 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:46,719 is down below. A big shout to our Patreon producers 17 00:00:46,759 --> 00:00:49,280 who as a reminder, if you've not voted, it's very 18 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:51,119 close right now the polls. It's one of those where 19 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:55,359 a voter to swing it, so definitely want to go 20 00:00:55,439 --> 00:00:58,359 vote on those for the how We retrospective. But thank 21 00:00:58,359 --> 00:01:01,840 you to Patreon producer Aaron Braden, April Darkness, Jack Grant, 22 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,439 Sam super Bad, Mike, God Loves Me six nine, Jim 23 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,599 or Ren, Or Trelier, Rendelle, Coctouk Late John no H, 24 00:01:06,719 --> 00:01:09,319 and Sam Green. So go vote on that so we 25 00:01:09,359 --> 00:01:12,319 can know we're reviewing here. So yeah, lots of good stuff, 26 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:15,000 We very much appreciate it. And then most importantly, November 27 00:01:15,079 --> 00:01:19,719 eighth is our Extra Life charity streamers at ten am PST. Oh, 28 00:01:19,799 --> 00:01:21,799 I didn't even think about this, Taylor. Every year when 29 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:25,400 we've done that, Oh, we're gonna finally do a stream 30 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,200 where there's no like daylight savings time that always messes 31 00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:28,480 with us. 32 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,079 Speaker 2: Remember, and we should have done this a long time 33 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:33,400 ago because doing the change up putting it on the 34 00:01:33,439 --> 00:01:35,719 weekend where it's a long weekend and we get a 35 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:38,719 holiday after, Like, it's just makes perfect sense. 36 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: Do we get a holiday after? 37 00:01:40,159 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's. 38 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, I but been on the wait a second, where's 39 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,040 my count here? It's on the Tuesday though, so it's 40 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:51,120 not a long weekend forever. 41 00:01:51,239 --> 00:01:54,439 Speaker 2: Well usually then work usually bumps into the stat to Monday, though, 42 00:01:55,239 --> 00:01:56,200 is that true? 43 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: Think? 44 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: I think this year has been full of Tuesday holidays, 45 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:01,200 really fucked up on Tuesday. 46 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna hit that. I'm gonna say Taylor told me 47 00:02:03,079 --> 00:02:05,239 that it's supposed to be on the Monday, but yeah, 48 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:06,599 that would be Maybe I'll have to look in that 49 00:02:06,599 --> 00:02:09,439 b idea, but yeah, that's the charity stream. Tons of events. 50 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:11,039 I don't know the number of events yet. It will 51 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:13,479 be going live. I've meant today, but today was very 52 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,719 very busy, So soon everything by this weekend. The links 53 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,199 where to donate the shirts. There's three shirts this year, 54 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:21,919 the most ever. All the proceeds if you want to 55 00:02:22,159 --> 00:02:26,360 buy shirt, those donations go to Extra Life. All the 56 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,439 proceeds if you donate directly our tax deductible. This goes 57 00:02:29,479 --> 00:02:34,159 towards helping families, whether it's caregiving, surgeries, transplants, everything like that. 58 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,360 The post after so we very much appreciate it. It helps 59 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,280 kids here in BC. Everything is there as far as 60 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:41,759 the information. If you want to go, look on the page. 61 00:02:41,759 --> 00:02:43,639 Once it's up there. I should get a link eventually. 62 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,800 But yeah, try and raise money. Trying to raise twenty 63 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:49,000 five hundred. We' which is crazy because I looked into 64 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,280 this year. I'll announce it at some point, but we've 65 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,159 raised like eighteen thousand dollars over these past two years. 66 00:02:54,199 --> 00:02:55,680 So let's see if we could get to if we 67 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,080 could do two thousand, we could hit that twenty k mark, 68 00:02:58,159 --> 00:03:00,719 so that'd happen. Yeah, that'd be fair fantastic if we 69 00:03:00,719 --> 00:03:02,879 could do that. And if you can't donate, we understand 70 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,960 sometimes times are tough, you got things going on. We 71 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,800 would just appreciate the day of share the link like 72 00:03:07,879 --> 00:03:09,800 it go in the chat. If you all don't know, 73 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,360 all that stuff helps, it helps with algorithms, push it 74 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,560 to people, and hopefully the day, you know, it's gonna 75 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,400 be a different day. So hopefully maybe you know, as 76 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,520 many people are streaming, come check us out. And yeah, 77 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,280 tons of fun. Uh some events, you know, some events 78 00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:25,360 you don't know, going to be a good time. So, Tarfield, 79 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,240 what did you think of this episode? Episode five? Some 80 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:30,639 I'd say, I'd say some big stuff going on, lots 81 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,439 of revelations. Because what there's only three episodes left after this, 82 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:36,919 so I fink we're starting to already heat up a 83 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,080 bit here, We're yeah, no, there's only three episodes left 84 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:41,400 after this. 85 00:03:42,919 --> 00:03:50,599 Speaker 2: Yeah, so this episode, yeah, it had some developments, It 86 00:03:50,639 --> 00:03:54,599 had some interesting push forwards here and then the other 87 00:03:54,719 --> 00:03:57,520 downside that I'll say is that some things were just 88 00:03:57,639 --> 00:04:03,280 way too and expect anticipated or just repetitive. I feel like, 89 00:04:03,439 --> 00:04:05,360 and this isn't a spoiler, when it comes to Cipher 90 00:04:05,479 --> 00:04:08,319 as a character, they they make you think like, oh, 91 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,599 our characters are doing this, but now it's just every week, 92 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:15,680 it's just a constant Cipher knows what's going on. Oh 93 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:17,920 we're ahead of the game. Oh da da da da. 94 00:04:17,959 --> 00:04:20,720 That like he's always on top of things. And they 95 00:04:20,759 --> 00:04:23,319 always make like a big point like, oh, like whether 96 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:25,920 it's this character engaging with Cipher, this character doing this, 97 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,040 it's like, oh, well, we can expect it now because 98 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,600 he's always on top. So I'm sure I'm hoping that 99 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,120 maybe they kind of like subvert your expectations with that 100 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,879 soon because he can't always come out on top. But 101 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,959 I guess we'll see. But some things are just like 102 00:04:41,519 --> 00:04:45,600 predictable in this episode. But that being said, I do 103 00:04:45,759 --> 00:04:51,759 enjoy one arc that I was apprehensive, but well, once 104 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,879 we kind of got into it and just massaged it 105 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:55,600 a little bit, I was like, Okay, yeah, I'm actually 106 00:04:55,639 --> 00:04:58,560 like I'm jiving with the with the story and this 107 00:04:58,639 --> 00:05:03,680 character in particular, so I'm definitely interested to see where 108 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,879 we're gonna go because as far as the main like 109 00:05:07,079 --> 00:05:10,800 secret background narrative is going on, the main heavy hitter, 110 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,600 they alluded a little bit more to that, and they 111 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:17,680 kind of give us they didn't really give us an 112 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,399 answer on one thing. They showed us a bit more, 113 00:05:20,439 --> 00:05:23,639 but they didn't give us any insight as to what's 114 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,319 really going on with it. But there are a couple 115 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,399 of surprises though in this episode that we're definitely welcomed 116 00:05:29,519 --> 00:05:35,240 in the greater world of the Boys. I'll say so, yeah. 117 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I really enjoyed this episode. I think this 118 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:39,399 might be this might be my favorite of the season 119 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:40,920 so far, now that it's like, oh, some of the 120 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:42,920 best televisions, it's the one I enjoyed the most. I 121 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,759 think steaks are going really high fast, which is good. 122 00:05:45,959 --> 00:05:48,759 I still question. I guess it's like we've troughtbably before 123 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:51,240 that maybe season three could kind of be like an epilogue, 124 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,680 you know, kind of like closing off some chapters here 125 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,160 with the school or restarting it. But especially some of 126 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,079 our character, especially Cpher it's on spoiling thing. He dies 127 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,759 in this episode. He's he's starting to act in a 128 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:08,439 way where I I guess we'd have to see what 129 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:10,279 happens at the end of the season. I just feel 130 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:12,759 like he can't not be in the Boys, you know, 131 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:15,279 like like the threat they're starting to make him be. 132 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:17,439 And obviously the answer to that is maybe we just 133 00:06:17,519 --> 00:06:19,720 kill him off the season and that's how you close it. 134 00:06:19,759 --> 00:06:22,560 But I'd very much like that not to happen, because 135 00:06:23,519 --> 00:06:26,480 I've said before Midnight mass there's other stuff. But I'm 136 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,920 a big Hamish Link Later fan, and I think his 137 00:06:29,199 --> 00:06:32,839 character is I'll say his performance of the character is 138 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,480 really fun to watch because I think he does such 139 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:40,000 a good job of being apathetic and then also coming 140 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,519 off as very powerful but then also coming off as 141 00:06:42,519 --> 00:06:43,920 a very threatening at the same time, with like a 142 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,240 hint of comedy. I think he's just so great and 143 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,360 runs the gammick of all these different emotions. So I 144 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,360 think he does a really good job. And anytime he's 145 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,160 on screen, I'm always intrigued to go, Okay, how is 146 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:56,040 this gonna play out? What are they gonna do in 147 00:06:56,079 --> 00:06:58,439 the scene, how's he gonna up and somebody? And like 148 00:06:58,480 --> 00:06:59,800 you said, I think eventually that that will be the 149 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,639 big moment where something happens where you know, people get 150 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:04,920 the better of him, but they're making him out to 151 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,079 be a big threat right now, and I'm really enjoying that. 152 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,879 I'm enjoying the things. Finally, I think they've chosen a 153 00:07:10,959 --> 00:07:12,720 road with a k character, and I think this was 154 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,759 a good starting to build it because I think, you know, 155 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,600 again minors spoilers that I feel since season the end 156 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,680 of season two, they've gone back and forth, and I 157 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:22,720 don't think in a good way of Okay, is this 158 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,680 character gonna be on the bad side or going to 159 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,079 be on the good side? And I think it was 160 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,439 not done like, oh, it's a gray area. I think 161 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,360 it was done in a messy way where it's like 162 00:07:30,399 --> 00:07:33,120 I couldn't understand this character's motivations one way or another. 163 00:07:33,319 --> 00:07:35,399 I think they've finally picked a path now and I 164 00:07:35,399 --> 00:07:37,879 hope they stay on that and this is it's not perfect, 165 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:39,319 but I think this is better and works well. I 166 00:07:39,319 --> 00:07:42,759 think there's some good dynamics with the characters. So a 167 00:07:42,759 --> 00:07:44,560 big reveal at the end for just one of our 168 00:07:44,639 --> 00:07:47,480 characters in like a really fucked up moment. So yeah, 169 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:51,399 I'm very curious it's gonna have next week. I guess 170 00:07:51,399 --> 00:07:52,800 I got some predictions but I don't want to say 171 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,199 in the spoils, but yeah, we saw other layers of 172 00:07:55,279 --> 00:07:57,639 OD going on here. So no, I thought this was 173 00:07:57,879 --> 00:07:59,759 a really good episode. I really enjoyed this when this 174 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:03,160 fu by, and I'm very excited for next week. And yeah, 175 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,399 I think, uh, I can't remember season one all the way, 176 00:08:07,439 --> 00:08:09,160 but I think season I remember the first half the 177 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,279 season was really rocky. I think there's some stuff in 178 00:08:11,279 --> 00:08:13,759 the season that has been clunky, but not as much. 179 00:08:13,839 --> 00:08:16,240 I think I can so far say that I have 180 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:20,839 enjoying it more so far. So yeah, I think I 181 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:24,720 think that's where I'm going. But yeah, what is anything 182 00:08:24,759 --> 00:08:29,079 else non spoilers? Nope. Okay, So ladies, gentlemen, we'll be 183 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:34,879 back right after the sad break and we are back. 184 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,879 So what do you want to start with? Taytherfield? 185 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness, you know what. We'll start off simple. 186 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: I got him off guard. He's asking me about gen v. 187 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 2: Oh, no, what do I think We'll start off with 188 00:08:51,639 --> 00:08:54,320 the I can't remember his name, but the boy his 189 00:08:54,399 --> 00:08:57,399 brother died. He's going to see his parents, Sam, Sam? 190 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:02,360 Thank you? Yeah, so Sam's going to see his family, which, yeah, curveball, 191 00:09:02,399 --> 00:09:04,759 we get to learn a little bit more about his history. 192 00:09:04,919 --> 00:09:06,879 The parents thought he died, parents tried to visit him 193 00:09:06,879 --> 00:09:08,679 when they saw he was alive, and they weren't allowed 194 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:11,000 into the school, weren't allowed to see him, all that 195 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,320 kind of stuff. So there's definitely a lot going on there, 196 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:17,120 and I like where it ended up with him kind 197 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,519 of making peace with his his parents. I honestly thought 198 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,519 how it was going to go though, was he was 199 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,879 going he was being reported by the mom bought it's 200 00:09:26,879 --> 00:09:28,279 gonna come take him to Almayra. 201 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: And you remember X two, right? Do you remember X 202 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,720 two with Bobby and Rogue when they go to visit 203 00:09:33,759 --> 00:09:36,720 his family and then his family calls like the police 204 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:38,720 because he's munant, think family? 205 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: I remember that? Yeah? 206 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I felt like a play on that because 207 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,000 same thing, like oh, and I was hoping that wasn't 208 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,519 the case. But I guess she was just legitimately ordering 209 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:46,039 a pizza. 210 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,279 Speaker 2: I guess we never know is a fucking phone? 211 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I think we know because he pushed that 212 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:53,600 and they still wanted to make good. But yeah, I 213 00:09:53,639 --> 00:09:55,919 think that's where we talked about the beginning the season, 214 00:09:55,919 --> 00:09:59,919 where Sam I was very I was just wondering what 215 00:10:00,039 --> 00:10:03,320 they're gonna do with this character, and I still I 216 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,240 thought he was gonna still be the reason they got 217 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:07,360 out of the prison. Obviously we'll talk about that or 218 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:09,159 in Spoils territory, but I thought he was gonna finally 219 00:10:09,159 --> 00:10:11,080 have a moment. I mean, I gotta help my friends. 220 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,279 Maybe that's still coming, but I did really enjoy it 221 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:15,559 because we already know. I think I don't think it's 222 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,000 I don't think it's anything new to learn, Like oh, 223 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,879 Vat would do this terrible stuff where they're doing experiments 224 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,759 on this kid and they say he's dead and then 225 00:10:23,759 --> 00:10:25,440 they bring him back and all the parents like this 226 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,159 all tracks for Vaught's stuff. But I think with the 227 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:33,240 differences in the Boys, I think we see those characters 228 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,000 so far removed from that. Right, Like Homelander talks about 229 00:10:36,039 --> 00:10:38,480 his Chadah traumas. I'm not gonna say he's over that, 230 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,759 but he's already the man that he's become, and that's 231 00:10:41,759 --> 00:10:43,559 the way he's gonna be. I'd say the only character 232 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:45,639 that's close to this probably is maybe Ryan, you know, 233 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,600 his son, where it's like that's a character who's young 234 00:10:47,639 --> 00:10:50,919 and impressible and he's being pulled both ways. So with Sam. 235 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,039 I think it's the same way as far as he 236 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,080 has bunch of his life blanked out now with his 237 00:10:56,159 --> 00:10:58,480 memory and his family, because he's like, oh, you don't 238 00:10:58,519 --> 00:11:00,919 have anything of you know, from you. I'm a teenager, 239 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,399 this like, well, we thought you were dead. There was 240 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,639 nothing to keep. And I liked that the moms just 241 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,399 seemed nervous about the situation, and at the end, she 242 00:11:08,519 --> 00:11:12,360 explained herself, I wasn't enjoying the just kind of stereotypical 243 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,279 route of oh my god, my son's a freak. Like 244 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:15,759 I get that, we see a lot of that, but 245 00:11:15,799 --> 00:11:17,720 I feel like I buy that less now, especially in 246 00:11:17,799 --> 00:11:20,000 the world that they've set up where soups are like 247 00:11:20,039 --> 00:11:22,759 running stuff you wouldn't have. I feel like people wouldn't 248 00:11:22,759 --> 00:11:25,200 feel that about their kid unless they did something bad. 249 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,639 And obviously Sam has done some bad things, but it's 250 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,159 not to his control, which I like to explain that, Hey, 251 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,080 you know, you had a mental illness and we thought 252 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,799 we did this so you could have like so you 253 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,120 know it could maybe help you, where tons of other 254 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,639 parents just did the experiments on their babies to you know, 255 00:11:39,759 --> 00:11:42,360 see or get some money, you know, like just for 256 00:11:42,399 --> 00:11:44,759 whatever reason. At least this kind of gave them a 257 00:11:44,799 --> 00:11:46,840 reason that I could believe in of being a good parent, 258 00:11:46,879 --> 00:11:48,759 of your wanting to try and help. Maybe it was 259 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,000 the bad decision at the end, but no, I think 260 00:11:51,039 --> 00:11:53,639 everything was great, the look backs and seeing all the photos, 261 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:56,279 seeing the wall with their heights, and I think it 262 00:11:56,399 --> 00:11:58,320 endured the same character a lot to me as far 263 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,559 as last season. Even the first few episodes just made 264 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,440 him like, Okay, he's on the bad side now, but 265 00:12:03,799 --> 00:12:06,840 it showed how messed up he is of a character, 266 00:12:06,879 --> 00:12:08,840 and lots of it's not his fault. So now it's 267 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,360 just a question though, of what's gonna how can you 268 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,879 help this character right, because obviously Kate was just nolling 269 00:12:14,919 --> 00:12:16,679 his mind. You don't exactly want to just do that 270 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,679 all the time. I'm not sure if it's kind of 271 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,840 there's some gen vi anti depressants like in our world. 272 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:23,919 But I did really like everything. I liked the dynamic 273 00:12:23,919 --> 00:12:26,519 with him, him and the dad and uh so, yeah, 274 00:12:26,519 --> 00:12:28,519 I'm interested to see I feel like he is gonna 275 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:30,399 come back to the good side. Now. She's gonna be 276 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,879 a question to see if em and him will reconnect 277 00:12:33,919 --> 00:12:35,720 or if she's moved on. I don't know. 278 00:12:36,399 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 2: That's something too. I would have liked to have seen 279 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,440 a little bit more play out with just how Kate 280 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:45,000 and him just were against humans. At the end of 281 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,320 that first season, we really didn't get anything expanding upon that. 282 00:12:49,399 --> 00:12:51,360 I mean, the only thing we got is that storyline 283 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,879 that you were enjoying so far, where you have that 284 00:12:54,799 --> 00:12:58,200 muffin stand coffee stand lady just dealing. 285 00:12:57,879 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: With it, which is kind of gone now that happen 286 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:02,039 episode three, and yeah, I guess it's I guess only 287 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:03,360 two weeks, but I thought that was gonna be. 288 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,399 Speaker 2: You were thinking Emma and her were going to be 289 00:13:05,399 --> 00:13:05,799 a thing. 290 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:08,639 Speaker 1: But yeah, but even then too, you said her and 291 00:13:08,639 --> 00:13:09,960 this guy. 292 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:11,759 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, did you see it in this episode? 293 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it came off as awkward because to me, 294 00:13:15,159 --> 00:13:16,799 they were playing like they had no chemistry because it 295 00:13:16,879 --> 00:13:18,399 like looked like she was almost like waiting for him 296 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:20,879 him to kiss her, and he's like okay, But like 297 00:13:20,919 --> 00:13:22,480 they kind of played him off as a dufus a 298 00:13:22,519 --> 00:13:23,759 little bit, So I still. 299 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,639 Speaker 2: He's a he's a he's a shy kind of you know. 300 00:13:27,159 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: I think he was like you didn't get it, So 301 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:31,039 I I don't think he's the end game I think 302 00:13:31,039 --> 00:13:31,639 there's still some. 303 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,639 Speaker 2: There're shy men out there, you know, that's it happens. 304 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:35,759 I think I'm shy. 305 00:13:35,799 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: And then there's Dufus and I think he was coming 306 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,519 off kind of defacy. That's what I'm saying. 307 00:13:40,519 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 2: We'll have to see because it's it's gonna time out. Well, 308 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,919 I get a little side attention here because Emma told 309 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,360 him to go see Polarity if you don't hear back 310 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,039 from us, which he's not going to, and now he's 311 00:13:51,039 --> 00:13:54,080 gonna catch Polarity having this seizure or the stroke, so 312 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:57,320 that's gonna time out. Well, I'll probably save polarities life. Yeah, 313 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:02,360 but yeah, no, I think I think them not focusing 314 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:06,320 on the narrative of Kate and Sam hating on these 315 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:09,240 humans and whatnot. It would have been nice to get 316 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,120 a little bit more expansion on that. But it is 317 00:14:11,159 --> 00:14:13,960 what it is, and it's here we are. I mean, 318 00:14:14,039 --> 00:14:17,600 Kate's definitely turning around, and if she wasn't before, I mean, 319 00:14:17,639 --> 00:14:20,039 the fact that they all got locked up trying to 320 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:22,840 save her is definitely gonna sway Kate to their side 321 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:23,759 for sure. 322 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,159 Speaker 1: So they did kind of sacrificial play thing where it's 323 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,279 even Emma didn't really want to do it, but still, hey, 324 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,000 if we're all gonna go down, we're gonna go down 325 00:14:31,039 --> 00:14:33,200 with the ship. I think the good thing that's where 326 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:34,799 To me now, I feel like they are trying to 327 00:14:34,799 --> 00:14:37,360 get her back on the good side, because, like you 328 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:40,320 said before, I think they put Sam and Kate on 329 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:44,320 the hating human side, but they never had those characters 330 00:14:44,399 --> 00:14:46,600 really outter that stuff, right. It seems like Kate was 331 00:14:46,639 --> 00:14:50,080 doing that out of fear, because even when Kate got hurt, 332 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:51,559 it was like, oh, you've got to tell Vaught because 333 00:14:51,559 --> 00:14:53,639 they're gonna do this, this and this too, right, And 334 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,000 Sam seemed like he was just kind of brainwashed. So 335 00:14:56,399 --> 00:14:58,200 at least now I think we've gone the answer and 336 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:00,480 they've proven it that they didn't they're not like Team 337 00:15:00,519 --> 00:15:02,240 Homeland or they were just maybe doing that out of 338 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:05,559 necessity and it was easier. But to me, you know, 339 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,559 you can always change stuff up. When they did everything 340 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,080 they did to Kate in the opening episode of taking 341 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,720 your arm off, making her take her wig off, you know, 342 00:15:14,799 --> 00:15:16,960 having the people like you know, have her bend over 343 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,200 and put something in here, putting the call on. To me, 344 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:23,159 that was like a full humiliation of the character in 345 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,320 a way where you do feel bad for this person 346 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,519 no matter what they've done before, and the fact that 347 00:15:27,519 --> 00:15:29,759 the characters did come to help them does help. So 348 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,679 to me, it's not just like, oh, she got thrown 349 00:15:31,679 --> 00:15:33,399 in jail and then they go and save and we'll 350 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,240 figure it out. This was like, Oh, look at what 351 00:15:35,279 --> 00:15:37,919 we're putting this character through, and no matter what she's done, 352 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,759 you start to feel bad. And you also see like 353 00:15:40,039 --> 00:15:42,440 all the scars she has over time, Right, so a 354 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,080 lot of bad shit has already happened to Kate so far. 355 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,559 So I think now they've put her on the hero 356 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:53,200 side and I like that now can be the true 357 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,840 redemption path because I feel like they last season and 358 00:15:55,919 --> 00:15:57,919 even this season, it was kind of all over the 359 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,200 place right for wanting to help out. But then when 360 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:01,639 she got back to school, I get it because they 361 00:16:01,679 --> 00:16:03,159 let her die, but she's like, fuck these kids, I'm 362 00:16:03,159 --> 00:16:05,279 gonna like whatever, and then she turned again to help 363 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:07,919 them out with the teacher. It's been very wishy washy. 364 00:16:08,039 --> 00:16:10,360 I think now she's with the crew and I'm liking 365 00:16:10,399 --> 00:16:12,039 how they dude, and I think Sam will be back 366 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,320 with the crew too. Maybe they just did that last 367 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,120 season to kind of like put some drama for a cliffhanger. 368 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,720 But I think now they should be backled together. And 369 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:21,879 I really like the actress as Kate. I think she 370 00:16:21,919 --> 00:16:23,840 does a good job. It's just the stuff, and I 371 00:16:23,879 --> 00:16:27,320 continue to really enjoy what they're doing with the powers, 372 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,039 the powers that she can mind control people, but it's 373 00:16:30,039 --> 00:16:31,600 completely like a yacht sea. 374 00:16:31,639 --> 00:16:34,639 Speaker 2: Raan fucking got me when she's like the guy walks 375 00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:36,919 in and she's pretending to be fake dead and she's like, 376 00:16:37,919 --> 00:16:41,600 drop your keys. She's like okay, and it fucking got me. 377 00:16:41,679 --> 00:16:43,840 I thought, oh wow, her powers worked now, But just 378 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,840 that quick cut to him just shanking his fucking school 379 00:16:46,879 --> 00:16:47,480 with the keys. 380 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,039 Speaker 1: I will thank you then, and then the eyeball pops 381 00:16:51,039 --> 00:16:52,399 out or the other one too, and she said, like, 382 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:54,000 you know, uncuff me and leave the room, and he 383 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,399 just like taser's his dick and everything. Like I But 384 00:16:57,639 --> 00:17:01,399 I really I think they'll get I think I'll get 385 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,000 back to her powers, but I I don't. I'm not 386 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:06,039 tired of this joke yet. I like because it's a joke, 387 00:17:06,079 --> 00:17:07,680 but it's also just fun in the scene because you 388 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,599 just don't know what's gonna happen. I think maybe one episode, 389 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:13,400 maybe two would be pushing it, but I do like 390 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,799 because you just never know what's gonna happen, right or 391 00:17:15,839 --> 00:17:17,440 even then I'd like if she did, then the person 392 00:17:17,519 --> 00:17:19,599 like went to attack her or one of her friends, 393 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,880 I guess should kind of go all over the place. 394 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:26,160 But yeah, that has a layer of unpredictability. And yeah, 395 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,079 so at the end this episode, they I guess near 396 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:31,480 the end everyone goes to save her. The whole time 397 00:17:31,559 --> 00:17:33,119 I was like, this is a trap. It's a trap. 398 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,359 They open up the like the chimney wherever that is 399 00:17:37,400 --> 00:17:39,559 like some sort of entrance and it's just paved over, 400 00:17:39,599 --> 00:17:41,680 and she's like, see you fucking trap and then boom, 401 00:17:41,839 --> 00:17:43,480 like a smoker in eate pops and it was and 402 00:17:43,559 --> 00:17:47,480 they literally put them back and it's it's funny because 403 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,759 we talked about how the beginning of the season it 404 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:51,720 felt a little easy that they all got out of prison. 405 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,839 It kind of feels like this is almost just like 406 00:17:55,039 --> 00:17:57,359 episode two, episode one of the new season, way right, 407 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,000 because it put them right back in prison and they're 408 00:17:59,039 --> 00:18:00,400 having to work together like this. It was like the 409 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:02,400 episode that should have happened when we kicked off the 410 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,559 season of them trying to escape out of the prison. 411 00:18:04,599 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 2: But it's just felt like I thought that's what we 412 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,039 were getting. I thought immediately cut to like a flashback 413 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:11,440 of the end of season one where Okay, they're all 414 00:18:11,519 --> 00:18:13,880 arrested and we're just gonna get that episode of how 415 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:14,960 everything went down. 416 00:18:16,039 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: But no, they're put right back in prison, Like that's 417 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,279 what it was. It was like, yeah, you're in prison. 418 00:18:19,319 --> 00:18:21,400 Here you go. So that's just like, Okay, that's an 419 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,200 interesting choice. So that's where it felt like they wanted 420 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,119 to set some new characters up. But really we did 421 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,359 want to do a prison breakout episode. And that's the 422 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:29,799 best thing too. When this is happening, they get like 423 00:18:29,839 --> 00:18:31,720 Emma makes this play and then Kate make this plan. 424 00:18:31,799 --> 00:18:34,920 They get out, they go to save Marie and oh god, 425 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:39,759 who's the who's the person that's Jordan? Yeah, they get 426 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:41,359 get them, and the Jordan Wright way is like, hey, 427 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,200 there's no guards, something's wrong. Alarm goes off, and they 428 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:46,000 bring up this good thing of well, what if this 429 00:18:46,039 --> 00:18:47,680 is what they wants to do or what if they're testing, 430 00:18:47,839 --> 00:18:50,000 Like that's a great thing with this facility. You don't 431 00:18:50,039 --> 00:18:53,039 know what's going on of how much they're allowing how much. 432 00:18:53,079 --> 00:18:56,680 There's not, but they do reveal that they have Marie's sister, 433 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,359 and that's gonna be the ploy of And I actually 434 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,279 enjoy this where uh Cipher goes, hey, this time you're 435 00:19:03,319 --> 00:19:06,279 gonna help us out with this, no bullshit. This time 436 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,559 you do anything, it's over for your sister or for 437 00:19:08,599 --> 00:19:11,720 your friends. This is the very last chance. And I thought, Okay, 438 00:19:11,759 --> 00:19:14,960 we're gonna have like two to three episodes of Marie 439 00:19:15,039 --> 00:19:17,680 doing stuff, hurting people that she doesn't want to dramatic 440 00:19:17,759 --> 00:19:19,920 like guilty hero. And I'm not saying that that's a 441 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:23,119 poor story, but it's just a predictable story. But I like, 442 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,319 already the end this episode, they're breaking out, they're trying 443 00:19:25,319 --> 00:19:27,720 to get her out, and when she was dead on 444 00:19:27,759 --> 00:19:30,240 the floor, I was like, geez, like what a I 445 00:19:30,279 --> 00:19:33,599 was not expecting that. But then Marie closed her eyes 446 00:19:33,599 --> 00:19:37,359 starts to use her power. Was she like using was 447 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,200 it just because they're in the radius of her that 448 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,880 the other characters heads was hurting or was she taking it? Okay? 449 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: I I took it like. 450 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: Iking some of their life. No, it's close. 451 00:19:50,319 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 2: Proximity, I'm assuming because I'm either way, I see it's okay, 452 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,240 and I could be totally wrong, so don't quote me. 453 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:58,200 She's just controlling the blood that I'm making the blood 454 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:01,880 heal faster, right, And so I mean obviously when she's 455 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,160 doing that, everyone else is just fucking hurting their heads. 456 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:10,359 My head was hurting just watching the scene, so I yeah, 457 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:11,319 I wasn't sure what was. 458 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:13,599 Speaker 1: Going on there. And then they use all that to 459 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,039 heal and bring her sister back. So it's it's interesting 460 00:20:16,079 --> 00:20:20,200 to see what's gonna happen there because we have wasn't 461 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,319 there just another character this season that was were they 462 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,799 brought back from near death? Or am I wrong on that? 463 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,440 I feel like, wasn't there someone We're talking about Cipher 464 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,720 healing people or something I thought we thought about. Maybe 465 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:36,559 we just speculated with Marie as a baby, I don't know, 466 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,359 but yeah, she brings her back, and then that episode 467 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,920 ends and faces black. So they had the sister, poor 468 00:20:42,079 --> 00:20:45,119 sisters just fully again that it's over for you, treatment 469 00:20:45,319 --> 00:20:48,039 of having no idea and just Cipher in the corner 470 00:20:48,039 --> 00:20:50,400 of her house pretty much adducting her and all your 471 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,680 sister's a evil soup in their mind, right, we got 472 00:20:52,759 --> 00:20:55,599 to help you out, and yeah, faceback. I think next 473 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,319 week We're gonna not the whole episode, but I think 474 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,519 the first ten fifteen may twins and it's gonna be 475 00:21:00,559 --> 00:21:02,759 like a really action packed episode. I think it's gonna 476 00:21:02,759 --> 00:21:04,839 be them breaking out and then I don't know what 477 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,599 happens real they back on the run, because I just 478 00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:09,000 feel like they can't go back to this. 479 00:21:09,559 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 2: It's all part of Cipher's plan. He's gonna be like, 480 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,119 all right, you did exactly what I wanted you to do, 481 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,240 Like this is like this was the test he it's 482 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,440 and that's where it's just it's predictable and it's just 483 00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:22,000 bothering me. And again they're they escaped and the whole time, 484 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,400 Jordan's like, oh this is a trap, don't trust this, 485 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,839 and you know, everyone gathers and it's like okay, well, 486 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,039 Annabeth cut like throat cut, it's one hundred percent like 487 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:35,720 just it's the trending, it's the whole thing. Spher just 488 00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:37,519 as the entirety of the time, it's like I wish 489 00:21:37,559 --> 00:21:38,759 we could have done this at the school, but I'm 490 00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:42,319 gonna do it here. So as soon as this happened, 491 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,119 it's like, okay, well now he's gonna pull them out 492 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:45,680 because this is what he wanted. 493 00:21:46,279 --> 00:21:48,279 Speaker 1: Yeah, but again I don't like because I just feel like, 494 00:21:48,279 --> 00:21:51,599 then everything that happens in the show, there's three this 495 00:21:51,599 --> 00:21:54,440 will be the fourth instance of just low stakes where 496 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,480 something is really happening, but the way they get out 497 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:59,240 of it's very easy. You know, the speech or like 498 00:21:59,319 --> 00:22:01,880 them in prison of the first time, Jordan's speech really 499 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,559 didn't go anywhere right, and it's like, oh, they just 500 00:22:03,559 --> 00:22:05,640 don't know what they're talking about. The big fight last 501 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,160 week where it's like, oh, well, maybe gonna kill someone, 502 00:22:07,279 --> 00:22:08,680 and now we're not gonna end now this it's just 503 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,200 that's four big things in a row where the resolution's 504 00:22:11,319 --> 00:22:13,440 very easy for our characters because it just feels like, well, 505 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,799 we can't kill anyone off because we already like we 506 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,759 lost the Andandre actor and we got to wait for 507 00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:20,039 a finale or something. Because I thought one point Jordan 508 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,920 was gone, because when Jordan went into that control room alone, 509 00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:25,680 I thought, uh, oh that's it's over for them. But 510 00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,720 uh interesting fact there when Cipher. I really enjoyed that 511 00:22:28,799 --> 00:22:31,160 scene when Cipher gave the rundown to Marie and then 512 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,000 went to Jordan, and Jordan's like, hey, when you're control 513 00:22:33,079 --> 00:22:34,319 me can feel the pain. I feel like you're in 514 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,359 pain all the time. Don't know what's going on with 515 00:22:37,519 --> 00:22:40,519 Cipher because it's just like that's going on. We don't 516 00:22:40,519 --> 00:22:43,640 know what's happening with this burned, scarred person that's in 517 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,680 a tube and in the bathtub. So it's like, does 518 00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:46,920 he have some sort. 519 00:22:46,799 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 2: Of voyeur little cock? 520 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: Yeah? Like does he his eyes are wining when that 521 00:22:51,079 --> 00:22:53,359 was going on, But like, does Cipher have some sort 522 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,119 of condition that way where his like his body's gonna 523 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:57,680 break down like that? Because she says, you're in pain 524 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,960 all the time, So I don't know, but yeah, I can't. 525 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,640 I remember that character's name. I'll get it while you're talking. 526 00:23:02,759 --> 00:23:05,359 But it was that character who is the Maybe i'll 527 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,839 just find out now, let's see a female genius the Boys. 528 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,799 But she's from the Boys the last season. 529 00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, with the Deep or she like dumb herself down. 530 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,079 Speaker 1: Right with the sister Sage is what the character's name was? 531 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,480 What's her you, Susan? Okay, Yeah, she was with the 532 00:23:24,519 --> 00:23:26,440 Deep and I guess the Deep, you know, can't always 533 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:28,319 be a pledgeable experience. And yeah, she's right, she had 534 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,480 to dumb herself, don't give herself a little bomby her 535 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:32,880 brain would heal. But yeah, that's where I felt with 536 00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:36,920 Cipher's potential powers of knowing all this stuff. He stabbed 537 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,519 himself in the hand, and I don't know if that's 538 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:41,079 gonna same thing we talked there was something that's why 539 00:23:41,519 --> 00:23:43,720 he has that cup. It's like why you set yourself 540 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,400 in the hen. I can't remember it was, but there's 541 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,400 something in that first three episode Blockchair we did talk 542 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,519 about with Cipher healing and doing something. And even then, 543 00:23:50,559 --> 00:23:52,119 it looks like he could be trying to heal this 544 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,240 like burned person up. Like there's something to his powers 545 00:23:55,279 --> 00:23:56,960 that I feel that might have something to do that. 546 00:23:57,079 --> 00:23:59,200 Maybe that's why he's trying to do something with himself. 547 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:01,400 But yes, Sister Sage was in here. She's like one 548 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,279 of Homelanders like master planners and everything, and they're having 549 00:24:05,319 --> 00:24:08,559 some sort of relationship. She's helping him out, and that's 550 00:24:08,559 --> 00:24:10,519 where I felt, between the powers things going on and 551 00:24:10,599 --> 00:24:14,039 now Sister Sage, I feel like, unless he dies, which 552 00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:16,720 is very likely, I feel we kind of maybe have 553 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:19,119 to see Cipher at some point in the Boys. But 554 00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:21,160 I could be wrong, might just be a hope, But yeah, 555 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,799 what do you think about the storyline that seemed together 556 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,559 some sort of couple, and they're also helping each other 557 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,400 out in a way we don't exactly know yet. But yeah, 558 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,920 what do you think about this appearance here? 559 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I definitely enjoyed it. I think it's 560 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,039 always fun to get these kind of crossover characters popping 561 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,839 up in the show as well as being in the boys. 562 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,319 So when she popped in here and her relationship with 563 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:46,559 Cipher crazy got the shows to the Garden Home, that 564 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,079 came back again for this episode. But yeah, yeah, like 565 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,759 she's not she's not dumbed herself down. Cipher is obviously 566 00:24:54,839 --> 00:24:58,200 not controlling her, but she's actively just she likes to 567 00:24:58,599 --> 00:25:01,519 sleep with Cipher while she stares at this old burn 568 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,519 victim guy like, well his father. 569 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 1: Is what he said? I think, right? So did he Okay, 570 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:08,160 I miss that? 571 00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:13,319 Speaker 2: Then I thought he said that because I thought before 572 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,119 when he was like talking to Kays like my father 573 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,599 says hello or something like that in the previous week's episode, 574 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,599 I have to I might have to revisit that. Either way, 575 00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:27,039 just quite quite a scene. So they clearly both have 576 00:25:27,279 --> 00:25:31,480 their own motivation, well, they have motivations for dealing with this, 577 00:25:31,799 --> 00:25:34,680 but they are sharing them, so they're on the same side. 578 00:25:34,799 --> 00:25:37,359 And yeah, they clearly are keeping things a secret from 579 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,559 Homelind or they don't want Homelinder to know about Marie 580 00:25:39,599 --> 00:25:43,279 and all that kind of stuff. So it'll be interesting 581 00:25:43,319 --> 00:25:46,160 to see how this does unfold. I'm I'm curious and 582 00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:51,400 I'm unsure what's again, what's gonna happen with this partnership 583 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:55,640 and where it's gonna segue. But you're thinking Cipher is 584 00:25:55,799 --> 00:25:57,839 one of the Boys, one of. 585 00:25:57,880 --> 00:26:01,799 Speaker 1: The No, I think just be in the Boys, like, okay, 586 00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:04,640 again the TV show, not the group, like I just feel. 587 00:26:05,279 --> 00:26:07,119 But I also feel like there's a chance he could 588 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,440 just die in this season, right because Marine literally said like, hey, 589 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:11,839 I'm gonna show you with this ultimate power, and that 590 00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:14,119 would make sense of if Seifer lives in this show 591 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,000 and he's already working with Sister Sage, I feel like, hey, 592 00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:19,279 why is he not gonna appear at the Boys at all? 593 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,359 But that's to me, why, Okay, you kill him off? 594 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:23,240 And maybe he's a big bad so I don't think 595 00:26:23,279 --> 00:26:25,319 he's gonna live. But I'd like him too because he's 596 00:26:25,319 --> 00:26:27,279 an interesting character and I would love to see him 597 00:26:27,839 --> 00:26:30,759 interact with Homelander because I don't like too because I 598 00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:33,680 feel like he would be I feel like he'd be 599 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,359 one of those characters that Homelander has a weakness to 600 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,200 that get on her skin, and I feel like he 601 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,000 could do that. But he could also just be very loyal, 602 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,000 like the way Sister Sage is pretty loyal to Homelander. Right, 603 00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:44,720 she might say someone gets under her skin, but it's 604 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,079 not a way to offendim. Its a way to be like, hey, 605 00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,240 this is way it is. You gotta change this is this, 606 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,359 or we're gonna lose or you're gonna lose. Right, So 607 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,480 it makes him feel infuriou but I remember there's times 608 00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:55,680 where they'd have a conversation and it feel like he 609 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:57,920 would start saying things that Sister Sage would say to 610 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,119 be kind of like, oh, like this is how we 611 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,160 should do It's like, well, that wasn't your idea, Homeland, 612 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,799 or was somebody else's right, So I feel like, uh, 613 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,640 Cipher could also be that where he would be an ally. 614 00:27:07,759 --> 00:27:09,400 I don't actually know if there'd be a power struggle, 615 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,359 but my worry is that he just, uh, yeah, he's 616 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:12,880 gonna die. 617 00:27:13,599 --> 00:27:15,759 Speaker 2: I yeah, I think he could die, And I still 618 00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:20,200 do think Jordan will be uh not making it out 619 00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:22,960 of this this season. I just have a strong inkling 620 00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:26,759 because of all the fake outs of their death. Well 621 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,640 they're near death, I guess I should say it. But yeah, 622 00:27:29,759 --> 00:27:32,000 I think that there's a chance that they will not 623 00:27:32,279 --> 00:27:33,960 make it out at the end because there needs to 624 00:27:34,039 --> 00:27:36,440 be some kind of heavy steak. And I mean I 625 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:38,480 thought they were killing Kate at the beginning of the season, 626 00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:40,480 but that didn't happen. So I think that there needs 627 00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:42,720 to be some kind of trade off when we get 628 00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:45,599 to the end here, not like the first season. Everyone 629 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,200 can't make it through. I know, Oh my goodness. So 630 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:53,240 the gentleman that passed away, I can't remember his name, 631 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:58,519 the superhero name and characters name and yeah, the character's name. 632 00:27:58,519 --> 00:28:04,200 So I mean I that they used that event as 633 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:05,480 a narrative moving forward. 634 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they called back that this episode, right, she 635 00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:10,079 showed her the where he died, which was like and 636 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,799 also they hit we didn't talk about it. They he 637 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,599 had a scene with the dad, which I was happy 638 00:28:14,599 --> 00:28:17,039 about because that was when my cons at the beginning 639 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:20,279 was both ways like just boughter them being like, why 640 00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:23,559 aren't they suss with this dad and Cipher knows exactly 641 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,240 what's I just asked you what you want to know? 642 00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:25,680 You know? 643 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: But I mean, like I don't think Cipher knew it originally, 644 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:33,519 but in there and then the dad like it's and 645 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,799 it was so predictable and easy to suss out because 646 00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:37,720 the Dad's like, oh, so how do you do all 647 00:28:37,759 --> 00:28:38,680 your train with Marie? 648 00:28:39,079 --> 00:28:40,119 Speaker 1: It wasn't the most smooth. 649 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 2: What about Emma? You know, he's just laying it out, 650 00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:47,240 playing his day, and so I kind of bothered me. 651 00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:49,599 I wish he played his cards attle bit more. But 652 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,960 I like when he, you know, the knife goes up 653 00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:55,319 and he's just like threatening, threatening him, like what about 654 00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:57,680 my son? And they talk about old Field experiment all 655 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,440 that kind of stuff didn't work out. 656 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: Which I am curious why he just, like I want 657 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,359 to see more because when he is just like, oh, 658 00:29:05,519 --> 00:29:08,039 do it and he doesn't do it, I still am 659 00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:10,200 kind of this point like why wouldn't he just do it? 660 00:29:10,359 --> 00:29:12,119 You know, like he's gonna be on the run soon. 661 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,279 Speaker 2: Maybe he controlled Maybe Cipher was controlling. I mean, it's 662 00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:17,480 all Hi Kenned. Maybe Cipher is controlling him and making 663 00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:19,559 him realize that he couldn't go through with it. Maybe 664 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,920 he was gonna send the knife up and actually kill him, 665 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,559 but maybe Cipher took control of him last minute because 666 00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:26,799 Pard he's just not able to move the whole time. 667 00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:30,759 Speaker 1: Right, So yeah, no, I don't know. And then obviously 668 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:32,440 he was having like another seizure against I think that 669 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,599 to me is just the thing where it's like if 670 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,599 if he has a short amount of life span and 671 00:29:38,799 --> 00:29:41,240 these seizures might catch up to him, then he's like, well, 672 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,519 just just take this fucking guy out, you know, just 673 00:29:44,079 --> 00:29:46,880 you know avenger Son, Obviously we'll see he has maybe 674 00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:48,960 a greater role to play. I think that's my only 675 00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:52,640 hang up as far as the characters like Jordan going 676 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:54,200 is just because they lost Andre. I don't know if 677 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,519 they want to lose another character. If this show is 678 00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,759 ending with season two and they don't plan on doing more, 679 00:29:58,799 --> 00:30:00,680 and maybe some of these characters move the voice, which 680 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,160 actually don't think will happened on the cameos, then sure, 681 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,160 But if they plan on doing more seasons, I don't 682 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,000 think they want to lose another main character right now. 683 00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:10,079 If anyone lose, I think they'll it will be the Dad. 684 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,799 He'll do like a sacrifice play. And I do agree 685 00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:15,640 with you. I think if even though they've been through enough, 686 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,079 if it was one of the kids or the students 687 00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:20,680 I was talking sidher this way, you might believe like, ah, 688 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,799 you're kind of dumb on train. But the dad, like 689 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,680 he just asked them was obviously Oh, it's just so powerful. 690 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,160 How did you do that? And then even when he's like, oh, 691 00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:30,799 you just want to you know, oh, he says, I'm like, oh, 692 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,359 you really want to know about me because you've been 693 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,279 going around the college asking for my paperwork and asking 694 00:30:35,319 --> 00:30:38,799 all these my employees' personal questions. And then when he's like, oh, 695 00:30:38,839 --> 00:30:41,359 but just continue on, the dad still like talks to 696 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,079 him in a way that sounds very fake. He's, oh, 697 00:30:43,119 --> 00:30:45,359 I just want to know. Like Cipher clearly just like 698 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:47,440 laid all the cards on the table, like if he's 699 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,160 already saying, hey, I know you're asking a bunch of 700 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,599 people around me. He knows like you're up to something else. 701 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,599 So I wish that scene was played a little bit differently, 702 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,119 or honestly, I just wish that they sat down, were 703 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:00,119 having a normal conversation and Cipher open up with, oh, 704 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,839 I hear that you're doing a lot of digging into me. 705 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,759 And that that's it. Then you make the dad look 706 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,200 less bad because you're like, oh shit, he got caught 707 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,599 with his pants down, But it's not because he overplayed 708 00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:10,799 his hand by being like, so, how are you so 709 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,119 good at trading? Marie? It's like, well, now, like I 710 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,119 don't know, just it felt a little easy. But yeah, 711 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:17,839 when he stabbed his hand and then put in a stake, 712 00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,200 that was a that was a good. 713 00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:20,319 Speaker 2: Little timid shot. 714 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, again, I really continue like the the 715 00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:26,480 Cipher character and what he's up to and stuff, and 716 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,480 he's always ahead of somebody, and see what's gonna happen 717 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,240 when someone's ahead of him? 718 00:31:29,319 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 2: So yeah, is there anything we have? 719 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: We talked about Sam, We talked about Emma with that dude, 720 00:31:35,839 --> 00:31:38,680 We'll see what happens there. They didn't kiss. We talk 721 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,720 about Kate, we talked about's sister there. I I do 722 00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:45,839 like that. That's the other thing too. There's two things. 723 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:51,000 One the Jordan and Cipher stuff. They were definitely trying 724 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:53,119 to evoke like a sexual assault as far as like 725 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,799 going through that experience, which I thought made sense because 726 00:31:55,799 --> 00:31:58,559 there's someone literally controlling your body. But again, what I 727 00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:01,240 worried about last week, which they did do. I like 728 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,960 that there. When the episode opened, it was Jordan being 729 00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:07,160 so mad that he or she could not stop him 730 00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:08,880 that they made them do it. I was so worried 731 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:10,680 it was gonna be like, you almost killed me? What 732 00:32:10,799 --> 00:32:12,480 were you doing out there? Like it was in a 733 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:14,599 situation where Marie had to do that to stop her life, 734 00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:16,720 and true she did go overboard, but she's new with 735 00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:19,039 her powerslol, Right, So I like that. Yeah, there was 736 00:32:19,079 --> 00:32:21,440 some tension, but it wasn't necessary that they were just 737 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:23,200 so mad with each other and was like, well, don't 738 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,880 talk to me for an episode. It was like they're 739 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,720 just both mad at okay fox Ifer, we gotta take 740 00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:29,359 him out now. I like that was it, because there 741 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,240 easily could have been a whole two episode arc of 742 00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:34,519 Oh I don't really trust Marine now she almost killed me, 743 00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:37,039 and look up powerful she had. Now, I feel like 744 00:32:37,319 --> 00:32:40,000 I'm more warranted that at the end of this episode, 745 00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:41,839 when Marie might have almost popped their heads by just 746 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,400 trying to heal somebody, I don't know if they'd be mad, 747 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,039 but maybe bring up some concern hey, like, maybe you 748 00:32:47,119 --> 00:32:49,000 don't do that again, because you could have maybe killed 749 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,319 all three of us, you know, it's like, great, you 750 00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:52,400 want to say your sister, So that, to me, I 751 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,839 feel like is more tension building because it's Marine making 752 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,079 that choice versus for free. Marie was like defending herself 753 00:32:58,119 --> 00:33:00,559 in the situation, right, like you don't know what gonna happen. 754 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,519 So I liked all that, But I don't have any 755 00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:04,240 more notes, do you? 756 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,079 Speaker 2: No, I think we covered next year. We talked about Sam, 757 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:18,039 talked about Elmira and all that, so I can't think 758 00:33:18,079 --> 00:33:19,160 of anything else. 759 00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it don't be gross out this episode. I 760 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,839 feel like they said, which I think is always good 761 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,359 in Boys and GENV where you're gonna have an episode 762 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,039 last week where Emma's in the toy bowl and Cipher 763 00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:30,240 sits down, you see everything, and then this week none 764 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,799 of that. It's like, there's still gross up, but none. 765 00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:34,000 That's really it's not the humorous stuff, And especially when 766 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,720 you're introducing the prison and Marie's sister, I think it's 767 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,000 a better route to go more serious. So I do 768 00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:41,720 appreciate that. Of course I like those yucks, but sometimes 769 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,400 you don't want the show to go too overboard. 770 00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:46,799 Speaker 2: So yeah, for sure, Yeah, all right, well there you go. 771 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,279 Speaker 1: We'll be back next week. To talk about episode six. 772 00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:51,079 See what happens is like, yeah, this prison, see what's 773 00:33:51,079 --> 00:33:53,440 going on with Andre's dad and all the stuff. So yeah, 774 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,000 we'll be back next week. If you have any theories 775 00:33:55,119 --> 00:33:57,200 or anything we missed, let us know in the discord 776 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,960 or the patroon YouTube, Twitter, all that stuff, and I 777 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,680 will be back next week. And I promise you he 778 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:04,400 will not be boring.