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Speaker 2: The hell we think when we are get off our show.
Speaker 1: Idiots.
Speaker 3: The kids are crying to turn off.
Speaker 2: The cultures are screwing it up.
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Speaker 3: They're supposed to be mature adults, but they're really not.
Speaker 2: Who's the kid here?
Speaker 1: Who's the kid here? Are you kidding me? Now? Here's
Speaker 1: Nick Coffee?
Speaker 3: Roughly ninety seconds ago, right before Austin Montgomery fired up
Speaker 3: the theme song to get us started, I wrapped up
Speaker 3: a phone call with Tony Vinetti. I don't say that
Speaker 3: just to brag, you know, but humble brag. I do
Speaker 3: know Tony Vinetti, He's a pretty big deal.
Speaker 2: But he went to Trinity, you know.
Speaker 3: I feel like if that was true, he would say
Speaker 3: that more. I know. He's very humble, yeah about it, Yeah,
Speaker 3: keeps it pretty private. But I don't know how this happened.
Speaker 3: But as I look down after I had hung up
Speaker 3: the phone, I really you know, it went right back
Speaker 3: to my contacts because I went to my contacts to
Speaker 3: call Tony and he I don't know if he did
Speaker 3: this at one point, I don't see him having the
Speaker 3: the I mean, I'm sure he knows how to run
Speaker 3: a phone, but he has set as an emergency contact
Speaker 3: on my phone, which is kind of scary. Like so
Speaker 3: if like I end up in a ditch and they
Speaker 3: don't know who to reach out to and they just
Speaker 3: look for emergency, I don't even know how you'd said it.
Speaker 3: I probably did it sometime, you know, on accident, because
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have done it intentionally. But what it's done
Speaker 3: here is it does have me going from Wow, that's crazy.
Speaker 3: They're gonna be calling Tony Vinetti if they found me
Speaker 3: dead in a ditch. Yeah, And you know, I don't
Speaker 3: know if that's the right person they should call or not.
Speaker 3: But now I'm thinking, you know what Tony kind of
Speaker 3: has been. I mean, he's not an emergency contact kind
Speaker 3: of guy. Wouldn't want to burden him with that, but
Speaker 3: he has kind of been like in a professional sense,
Speaker 3: like my my, my uncle, my big brother. So you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know if i'd rely on him to be
Speaker 3: the guy that, you know, if I'm in a situation
Speaker 3: and they just go and what is an emergency contact
Speaker 3: for in your iPhone? Like do you have anybody said
Speaker 3: have you ever even seen it?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 3: Now is it clear on here? Can you see like
Speaker 3: where it's got.
Speaker 2: That red Yeah, yeah, it says it right there emergency contact.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So, I mean I don't know if you have Tony,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're cool enough to have Tony Vannetti's
Speaker 2: number like you do anyway, I mean, wouldn't you want
Speaker 2: him to be the first person that is called if
Speaker 2: you're in a pinch, if you're in danger, if you're
Speaker 2: in peril.
Speaker 3: Well, he's he's he's given great advice over the years,
Speaker 3: that's for sure, and he's he's been good to me.
Speaker 3: But the benefit of having Tony as the emergency contact
Speaker 3: is that he has no emotion like he's he's emotionless.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't.
Speaker 3: He doesn't get sad, he doesn't. I mean, although I
Speaker 3: have at times seen him, you know, kind of grow
Speaker 3: a little bit of a heart And it doesn't happen often,
Speaker 3: but it's happened then you woke up. But but like
Speaker 3: maybe when it comes to like I don't know, the
Speaker 3: coroner who would have to whoever calls and says, hey,
Speaker 3: you know we need to you're the emergency contact. We
Speaker 3: need to discuss do you know, Nick coffee, we need
Speaker 3: to talk about it. He would at least be the
Speaker 3: guy they don't have to worry about, you know, losing
Speaker 3: his mind and being hysterical because he's he's emotionless, like
Speaker 3: there's nothing that would you know, He's never too high
Speaker 3: too low. So anyways, like a crocodile, as always, I
Speaker 3: get a little distracted as we get the show started.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I also just wanted to brag about, you know,
Speaker 3: I got tony of n Eddy's number.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean I feel like I'm a pretty big deal
Speaker 3: by being able to say that. But anyways, let's get
Speaker 3: it started. Welcome in Happy hump day coffee and company
Speaker 3: with you here on a Wednesday, a very very very
Speaker 3: cold day, you were out and about for lunch. I mean,
Speaker 3: is it still insanely freezing outside?
Speaker 4: Fez?
Speaker 3: I mean, what's happened? And this is I would have
Speaker 3: never even thought about this in any way if I
Speaker 3: didn't witness this. So I was. I was coming from
Speaker 3: Second Street to Muhammad Ali had actually I went over
Speaker 3: to Southern Indiana earlier and came back on the Second
Speaker 3: Street bridge just drove it straight down to Muhammad Ali
Speaker 3: to take a rite and end up on the fifth Street,
Speaker 3: which is where our garage is. But to the other
Speaker 3: side there was somebody heading north and obviously there's there's
Speaker 3: snow that has been plowed that's just kind of stacked
Speaker 3: up on each side of the road, right like certain
Speaker 3: people's driveways. If you've got a two lane driveway, it's
Speaker 3: probably closer to one or maybe not even that, because
Speaker 3: you've just basically been able to clear off a path
Speaker 3: to where you can get your vehicle in and out.
Speaker 3: So with this cold, freezing temperature, a lot of this
Speaker 3: stuff that's been shoveled in different directions it's just sitting there, so,
Speaker 3: you know, still frozen, but it's so cold outside that
Speaker 3: it's not just like I mean, it's it's insanely frozen.
Speaker 3: Like I don't, I don't know the right word to
Speaker 3: use to describe it as being, you know, extensively frozen
Speaker 3: more so than just you know, frozen. But somebody on
Speaker 3: the other side they slightly maybe they were on their phone,
Speaker 3: I don't know what it was, but they slightly veered
Speaker 3: off to the right and they hit that hue, like
Speaker 3: the frozen mound of snow that had been shoveled or
Speaker 3: you know, plowed to the to the right side, the
Speaker 3: front of their car, like the bottom of it hit
Speaker 3: it and it broke, like.
Speaker 2: It cracked it.
Speaker 3: Like, so when you run into this stuff that's piled up,
Speaker 3: I mean, you probably wouldn't want to do that under
Speaker 3: any circumstance. But it's so cold that like you'll mess
Speaker 3: up your car, like you'll like, you.
Speaker 2: Know, ice blocks. Yeah, we'll be an iceberg.
Speaker 1: That's what it is.
Speaker 3: That's what it is. In the streets that have just
Speaker 3: been plowed to where it was just stacked up on
Speaker 3: one side or maybe both sides, that stuff has frozen
Speaker 3: to where it's essentially a humongous iceberg. And that's dangerous
Speaker 3: as hell. I mean again, if you're going off the road,
Speaker 3: that's always dangerous, regardless of the weather and the circumstance.
Speaker 3: But we don't even have the full lanes in certain
Speaker 3: areas because they just haven't been able to clear off
Speaker 3: that much space. And if you do, mean you don't
Speaker 3: even have to veer off the road. You can just
Speaker 3: not be paying attention and realize, you know, you hit that,
Speaker 3: and you'll know right away, Like I I heard it
Speaker 3: and it sounded like a car crash, and I guess
Speaker 3: technically it kind of was, because the guy stopped and
Speaker 3: got out and like you could just tell. But like
Speaker 3: the front fender, it was an accurate one of those
Speaker 3: what kind of accurate it was, but kind of a
Speaker 3: sportier one that's set lower to the ground. And I
Speaker 3: guess their front fender was. I guess a little. I mean,
Speaker 3: I feel like any car that made contact would have
Speaker 3: would have had some damage.
Speaker 2: It changed insurance information with pile.
Speaker 3: I quickly turned right and just realized, like damn, that
Speaker 3: that's for it. I would have never noticed it had
Speaker 3: it not been for the noise, like it was loud.
Speaker 3: And it makes sense because again that that's I mean,
Speaker 3: that's as frozen as as can get. So it's very cold,
Speaker 3: and uh, I'm glad that we did get the roads
Speaker 3: cleared off because with this temperature the last couple of days,
Speaker 3: it's just been absolutely freezing.
Speaker 2: Today is and yesterday I actually got to use a
Speaker 2: fiance's car just to run to the store. And it's
Speaker 2: the first day during the snow during this snow mgeddon
Speaker 2: Icemageddon that's been going on since when last Saturday, that
Speaker 2: since my roads are so bad, So they're still bad,
Speaker 2: right my side roads are still.
Speaker 3: Probably worse than it's ever been, honestly, right, I can't
Speaker 3: how cold it is.
Speaker 2: I can't get it's it's I got. I have to
Speaker 2: maneuver the car out like Austin Powers when he's stuck
Speaker 2: in the middle.
Speaker 3: Of the hallway.
Speaker 2: I got a backup, and like I gotta find the
Speaker 2: perfect sweet spot because I'm sly and the tires are
Speaker 2: spending when I'm trying to leave my my parking spot,
Speaker 2: which I left a cone out there for so no
Speaker 2: one else parks.
Speaker 3: In front of it. Yeah, I I mean there's probably
Speaker 3: still roads out there. I mean again, your street is
Speaker 3: in Louisville. I mean it's not even far from where
Speaker 3: we stand, and it's ugly, and I mean there are
Speaker 3: probably way more roads out there that just never got
Speaker 3: treated and people have been able to kind of make do.
Speaker 3: But when it gets this cold, it's it's a different
Speaker 3: level of like frozen. I mean, it's crazy. So stay warm.
Speaker 3: I think we're gonna get some temperatures above freezing here
Speaker 3: before too long, which will start another process of the melt.
Speaker 3: But this time of year, even if you do get
Speaker 3: temperature in the you know, at forty that'll do some
Speaker 3: damage to this as far as melting it. But it's
Speaker 3: gonna get blow freezing when it gets dark, and like
Speaker 3: I think, in all honesty, let's we get some kind
Speaker 3: of a heat wave where we are above freezing for
Speaker 3: like consecutive days around the clock. This is gonna be
Speaker 3: here for a while, which you know, if it doesn't
Speaker 3: impact me, then it you know, no big deal. I
Speaker 3: don't care. But I'm sure there's plenty of others that
Speaker 3: that are to you. I mean, you just shared it.
Speaker 3: It's still an issue. Your stream is still just a
Speaker 3: big block of ice, which again is not ideal for us,
Speaker 3: for anybody. All right again, Coffee and Company, that's us,
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Speaker 3: I got you yesterday. I try to block that out
Speaker 3: because that's something that puts me in a in a
Speaker 3: negative space. But here you are gassing me up, giving
Speaker 3: me props. And I appreciate that because yes, not only
Speaker 3: did I host a show yesterday, but for two hours
Speaker 3: of it, I was producing and it it it. We
Speaker 3: finished the show. Like I was going to say we
Speaker 3: had no issues, but I think we did have a
Speaker 3: couple of issues. But you know what we look this
Speaker 3: is coffee and company because at the root I'm a
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Speaker 3: I'll do whatever you guys need. That's wha Yeah, I
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Speaker 2: So do a hodown?
Speaker 3: Don't Is that a dance?
Speaker 2: I don't know?
Speaker 3: That just sounds dunter. It does sound it does sound country,
Speaker 3: but I don't like it. I feel like a hodown
Speaker 3: is what is?
Speaker 2: What is a country dance? A square dance? I guess
Speaker 2: you say that doesn't sound as flashy, but line dancing line? Yeah,
Speaker 2: like like the PBR girls do across the street.
Speaker 3: How about this. I don't even really know what it is,
Speaker 3: but it sounds good. I can boot scooting boogie.
Speaker 2: That's right, that too.
Speaker 3: We'll leave it at that. So all right, here we
Speaker 3: are ten minutes in and I'm about to just you know,
Speaker 3: explode here. Not in that way, pervs, but I'm just
Speaker 3: I want to talk. I want to talk about Louisville
Speaker 3: basketball once again, folks, because how about this team going
Speaker 3: on the road last night and just beating the hell
Speaker 3: out of Syracuse eighty five to sixty one. It is
Speaker 3: nice to be able to have a level of expectation
Speaker 3: that these guys are going to come out play really,
Speaker 3: really hard, play well. I mean, look, they're due for
Speaker 3: a bad game, clearly, I'm not saying that they're gonna
Speaker 3: have one, but I'm just saying they've continued to play well.
Speaker 3: They've maintained a level of play since the beginning of
Speaker 3: January that has been awesome to see. And I don't
Speaker 3: see them slowing down. I know Syracuse stinks and know
Speaker 3: the ACC stinks, but you know what, I don't care
Speaker 3: because that's not something Louisville can control. And even if
Speaker 3: all that is true, which it is, like I've said
Speaker 3: it all year, the ACC is lousy this year, but
Speaker 3: that doesn't have anything to do with how that doesn't
Speaker 3: factor in to Pat Kelsey and what this group's been
Speaker 3: able to do not being impressive. What people at times
Speaker 3: that thin get caught up in is Louisville fans being
Speaker 3: this excited, meaning more excited than they've been in a really,
Speaker 3: really long time, does not mean that they think they
Speaker 3: have the best team in the country and that they're
Speaker 3: about to go out and ending. By the way, the
Speaker 3: bat signal for insecure Kentucky fans is Louisville fans acknowledging
Speaker 3: their wind streak that they're in the tournament if it
Speaker 3: started today, than being excited like we had the Kumba
Speaker 3: Yao rivalry stuff, which you know still exist. I think
Speaker 3: Louisville fans are having a hard time genuinely disliking Mark
Speaker 3: Pope because he's a hard guy to dislike. I know
Speaker 3: many Kentucky fans feel the same way, but like, look,
Speaker 3: just because Louisville fans are excited, it makes sense. They've
Speaker 3: been terrible for years, We've been lifeless. Now we have
Speaker 3: life and we're playing good basketball. We feel pretty good
Speaker 3: about where we are. That doesn't mean that the Louisville
Speaker 3: fans are claiming That's one of the things that has
Speaker 3: really exhausted me about the rivalry stuff is just because
Speaker 3: somebody is excited or is happy that their team is
Speaker 3: doing well, there's a segment of the rivalry where the
Speaker 3: other side will weaponize that against you and you know,
Speaker 3: make it seem as if you think that your team
Speaker 3: is the best in the country. Like, no, it's not
Speaker 3: the case. So I've been enjoying it thoroughly. But and
Speaker 3: I probably don't need to throw this out there as
Speaker 3: much as I do, but just to be clear, my excitement,
Speaker 3: my love for this team as fun as it's been,
Speaker 3: as I've been super repetitive about it throughout. I mean,
Speaker 3: this has kind of been reruns lately because here we
Speaker 3: are coming in to talk about a louis basketball game
Speaker 3: that happened the night before, and I'm still feeling the
Speaker 3: same way I did for the last few weeks, but
Speaker 3: even more so. Right this group is playing really good basketball,
Speaker 3: and I think they have a chance to be to
Speaker 3: be pretty good to where maybe they make a run
Speaker 3: in the tournament and get to the second weekend. And
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a crazy thing to say. The
Speaker 3: ACC being really down doesn't mean Louisville can't do that.
Speaker 3: So both things can be true. Louisville can be a
Speaker 3: team that's getting better, that has really kind of hit
Speaker 3: their stride in this new version of themselves that doesn't
Speaker 3: include case In Pryor and Korin Johnson like I think
Speaker 3: they could. All that's true, but the ACC also can
Speaker 3: be bad like and you know, as I've said all along,
Speaker 3: use it to your advantage. So eighty five to sixty
Speaker 3: one was a score last night, I mean just some numbers.
Speaker 3: I mean rain Smith continuing to be Rain Smith. I
Speaker 3: mean he now after last night. I'll double check this,
Speaker 3: but I looked at it this morning and I'm pretty
Speaker 3: sure the stats were updated. Ray Smith is now averaging
Speaker 3: more three point shots made per game than any player
Speaker 3: in college basketball from the power four level. So I mean,
Speaker 3: he had ten points of pretty quiet ten points last night.
Speaker 3: And I bring up rain just because, you know, as
Speaker 3: much as we've talked about the shooting struggles this team
Speaker 3: has had at times, one they didn't have those last night,
Speaker 3: but also even throughout that, rain Smith has come here
Speaker 3: and been one of the best shooters in the country.
Speaker 3: And then Chucky he burned. I mean last night, I
Speaker 3: mean he was insane. I mean Chucky six of ten
Speaker 3: from three twenty four points, I mean eight of thirteen
Speaker 3: from the field overall, seven assists. I mean, the guy
Speaker 3: was sensational. And then Javon Hadley, you know, kind of
Speaker 3: a quiet night. But we're talking thirteen points ten rebounds
Speaker 3: on six of eleven from the floor and I'm pretty sure. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, listen to this stat line. Back to Chucky.
Speaker 3: Chucky was twenty four seven and I thought he had
Speaker 3: where does this? Yeah, Chucky didn't have a steal, which
Speaker 3: was kind of surprising to me. But anyways, back to
Speaker 3: Javon Hadley thirteen points, ten rebounds, three assists. And again,
Speaker 3: when you're getting this kind of production consistently, and I
Speaker 3: don't mean you're gonna get twenty seven every night from
Speaker 3: Chucky or thirty two every night like you did with
Speaker 3: Javon against Clemson, but the odds of you getting one
Speaker 3: of like four or five guys to really bring it,
Speaker 3: at least one of them on any given night, Like
Speaker 3: there's much more probability that happens than like one guy
Speaker 3: needing to be great every single night. I mean, look, look,
Speaker 3: this is your leading scorers in the last seven games
Speaker 3: here last night Chucky twenty four against QES, rain Smith
Speaker 3: twenty five against pit Jevon Hadley thirty two against Clemson,
Speaker 3: tray Orra fifteen against Virginia, Chucky twenty six against Carolina,
Speaker 3: Terrence Edwards twenty against dKu, Rain Smith twenty seven against FSU. So,
Speaker 3: I mean, this team, I think is legitimately in a
Speaker 3: position to where if they keep this up, if they
Speaker 3: maintain this level of just you know, being locked in,
Speaker 3: being so good defensively, and you know they just keep
Speaker 3: doing what they're doing, this team could make a run
Speaker 3: in the tournament. I mean, again, you could also lose
Speaker 3: to anybody if you don't play well. But they've now
Speaker 3: done this for a long enough stretch that it would
Speaker 3: be a real surprise if they show up and aren't
Speaker 3: playing with this kind of intensity, with this kind of togetherness.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just it's been a really, really, really
Speaker 3: fun ride. And last night again it seemed like like
Speaker 3: the win against Pittsburgh felt to me like it was
Speaker 3: the game where you had more national noise out there
Speaker 3: about how good of the job Pat Kelsey's doing at
Speaker 3: Louisville than we've had at any point. It's been there,
Speaker 3: here and there, especially when they got off to a
Speaker 3: good start in the Bahamas. I mean, it's been out there,
Speaker 3: but the pit win it kind of took it to
Speaker 3: a different level as far as Okay, anybody that's got
Speaker 3: a platform that reaches a lot of people talking college
Speaker 3: basketball went out of their way to make sure they
Speaker 3: mentioned Kelsey and what he's doing at Louisville last night.
Speaker 3: To me, it kind of felt like it was not
Speaker 3: the national think these were some great games last night.
Speaker 3: Louisville Syracuse was not one of them. But I think
Speaker 3: the more that they keep succeeding and the more it
Speaker 3: gets talked about, the more people are going to think, like, hey,
Speaker 3: Pat Kelsey's in his first year, guy from Charleston, good coach,
Speaker 3: but he had to build a team from scratch. They
Speaker 3: had no momentum. I know Louisville's great, but like Pat
Speaker 3: deserves all the credit, but man, how did they get
Speaker 3: so bad? How did they end up in that position
Speaker 3: where they won twelve games in two years? And then
Speaker 3: you know, it's like people I rarely hear it, but
Speaker 3: occasionally you'll see somebody on Twitter, and in fact, we've
Speaker 3: had a text or we've had a caller mention it.
Speaker 3: Why you keep bringing up Kenny Payne. He's part of
Speaker 3: the story, guys, he is, I mean, he's part of
Speaker 3: He's gone. But like, one of the reasons why Louisville
Speaker 3: fans feel so great about Pat Kelsey winning here and
Speaker 3: you know, giving you some momentum is because of what
Speaker 3: happened with Kenny Payne being here. It wouldn't feel as special,
Speaker 3: this would be normal, this would just be I mean,
Speaker 3: in fact, in let's go back ten years. If Louisville's
Speaker 3: results ten years ago were exactly what we have right now,
Speaker 3: you know what we're doing. We're probably bitching. We're probably
Speaker 3: talking about how you were just beating all the teams
Speaker 3: were supposed to beat and yet we ain't beat anybody
Speaker 3: when it comes to Kentucky Duke and you know Tennessee
Speaker 3: like that cause that that was where we were then.
Speaker 3: We're not there now. So you know, the reason why
Speaker 3: this feels so great is because of how bad things
Speaker 3: were in the previous two years. And you know who
Speaker 3: was responsible for that was Kenny Payne. So I don't
Speaker 3: think a nobody's going out of their way to like
Speaker 3: bag on him, but like the scenario where Louisville is
Speaker 3: in this position with this kind of turnaround and fans
Speaker 3: energized and excited at this level in Pat's first you know,
Speaker 3: the first half season that he's been here. Kenny's a
Speaker 3: part of that, like, and it's also a large It's
Speaker 3: puzzling that Louisville was ever as bad as they were
Speaker 3: to people that didn't experience it every day like we did.
Speaker 3: So like, you know, I think Syracuse was a factor.
Speaker 3: Like last night, I feel like the Kenny Payne stuff
Speaker 3: just like it felt. It felt like fans of Louisville
Speaker 3: and even others watching those reacting to it were thinking
Speaker 3: to themselves, Man, how bad could Kenny Payne have been?
Speaker 3: And again, like I get it, and we all know
Speaker 3: the answer to that, he was really bad. But Syracuse,
Speaker 3: I don't know if others noticed it. I did get
Speaker 3: some feedback when I tweeted it out, and I didn't
Speaker 3: tweet it out when I wanted to. I waited because
Speaker 3: I knew that if I tweeted out that Kenny Payne,
Speaker 3: because let's be real, Syracuse looked a lot like Louisville
Speaker 3: under Kenny Payne, they they're already better, Like they already
Speaker 3: have eight wins this year. Like he did well in
Speaker 3: his first year there at least, you know, he didn't
Speaker 3: do well, but he did great compared to what he's
Speaker 3: doing now. So nobody is ever going to be as
Speaker 3: bad as Kenny was as far as leading college basketball program.
Speaker 3: That's a fact. So with that said, I don't want
Speaker 3: to insult Syracuse to that to that extent, but they
Speaker 3: got dudes on that team. They got dudes that can play. Now,
Speaker 3: Louisville deserves credit for taking those guys away. But like
Speaker 3: they went through the motions last night as a team,
Speaker 3: Syracuse did with that thing got down that they were
Speaker 3: down thirty points at one point. That was very similar
Speaker 3: to what we watched, and it was kind of a
Speaker 3: weird thing to to, you know, from I can only
Speaker 3: speak for myself as a fan, but I'm watching and
Speaker 3: I'm loving seeing Louisville just completely take advantage of a
Speaker 3: lifeless team like Syracuse. But it also gave me a
Speaker 3: little bit of PTSD because that was that was a
Speaker 3: sad experience. That was that was awful. We all know that,
Speaker 3: but man, it's nice to be on the right side
Speaker 3: of something like that happening. And the comparison I'm making
Speaker 3: here with Q's looking like Louisville under Kenny Paine is
Speaker 3: that they're not. There's no scenario that that team like
Speaker 3: would ever be great, but they're not even close to
Speaker 3: getting what you should be able to get out of
Speaker 3: the personnel that they have. And here we have on
Speaker 3: our end, I think Pat Kelsey is absolutely maximizing every
Speaker 3: bit of what you can get out of this current
Speaker 3: situation with these players. And it's not just like, hey,
Speaker 3: he's got a bunch of rudies out there, but he's
Speaker 3: he's maximizing what he has to work with, and these
Speaker 3: guys are getting better and getting more comfortable and coaching matters.
Speaker 3: We all know that, We've always known that, but last
Speaker 3: night was just another reminder of it. And I didn't
Speaker 3: say this to be critical. And I'll expand on the
Speaker 3: other side and give some more I mean, I don't
Speaker 3: have any really belated thoughts on it, but I guess
Speaker 3: I'll clarify. But it like last night watching Syracuse be
Speaker 3: what they were and Louisville just take advantage of it
Speaker 3: and kick their ass It's just crazy to me to
Speaker 3: think that currently Louisville is paying more money for Kenny
Speaker 3: Payne not to coach this season than they're paying Pat Kelsey.
Speaker 3: That's not it. I'm just saying that's wild to process.
Speaker 3: I'm not being critical. Pat came in on the contract
Speaker 3: that made sense given where Louisville was. They made a
Speaker 3: costly mistake in Kenny Payne, so they don't have the
Speaker 3: ability to make another costly mistake, so they gave Pat
Speaker 3: a contract that didn't pay him nearly what other coaches
Speaker 3: here had been paid. But make no mistake about it,
Speaker 3: He's gonna get paid here. I mean, I can't imagine
Speaker 3: that he won't. I don't know when, but it'll happen.
Speaker 3: Speaking of Kenny Payne, you know where he's at now,
Speaker 3: Arkansas and they are dead last in the SEC. There's
Speaker 3: a lot. I mean, it's been louder about Cal being
Speaker 3: a bomb in Arkansas than it's ever been this season
Speaker 3: because again they keep losing. And I can sense a
Speaker 3: slight level of anxiety because Kentucky wins last night. They're great,
Speaker 3: but I know some Kentucky fans are already thinking, like,
Speaker 3: we can't beat Cal's first SEC went at Arkansas, and
Speaker 3: that game's coming up in two weeks, and I don't
Speaker 3: think it'll happen because Arkansas stinks. Kentucky's really good, but
Speaker 3: it would also be you know, it'd be a real
Speaker 3: bad look. It wouldn't mean anything. You're still probably gonna
Speaker 3: be good regardless long term with Pope, but that would
Speaker 3: give cal some great satisfaction. Then I know you don't
Speaker 3: want to give him, so again, we're loaded the rest
Speaker 3: of the way. I'll quit yap and we'll go to break.
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Speaker 3: This is just a good song, but I feel like
Speaker 3: the chorus there it had had It doesn't really seem
Speaker 3: like a Pat Kelsey vibe, but obviously the chorus would
Speaker 3: be very fitting if in fact, you know, he gets
Speaker 3: a new contract.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: We talked a lot of bits yesterday, and I know
Speaker 3: you weren't here, Austin, but louisvill has never been in
Speaker 3: a position where they had to worry about somebody coming
Speaker 3: after their coach because nobody's ever thought that they could
Speaker 3: get Rick Bettin over Denny Crumb because of obvious reasons. Rick,
Speaker 3: I mean, why would he go to another college in
Speaker 3: Lead Louisville whenever He's got everything he needs and he
Speaker 3: was really successful. And then with Denny, I mean, Denny
Speaker 3: turned down UCLA whenever wouldn't retired. That was the sign
Speaker 3: he's not going anywhere. So I'm not worried about it now.
Speaker 3: And i didn't mean to put it out there. As
Speaker 3: far as Kenny Payne currently this year making more money
Speaker 3: not to coach than Pat is making to coaches. If
Speaker 3: somebody did something wrong, I mean, to be fair, Yeah,
Speaker 3: somebody did something wrong. They hired Kenny Payne. But you
Speaker 3: can do about it now. It sucks. And as I've said,
Speaker 3: as critical as I was about Kenny and how that
Speaker 3: all worked out, and how there were some signs that
Speaker 3: maybe you shouldn't do that hard for me to be
Speaker 3: overly nasty about the decision to hire him, Whenever, if
Speaker 3: I was in the position making that decision, which I
Speaker 3: never would be certainly not qualified, I probably would have
Speaker 3: done the same thing because at that time you weren't
Speaker 3: going to be able to get a name that we
Speaker 3: were floating out there, and I was willing to take
Speaker 3: a shot on Kenny because maybe he would be this
Speaker 3: guy that was waiting for a bit opportunity that could
Speaker 3: recruit at a really high level and develop players. And
Speaker 3: then we learned that he's actually somebody that is the
Speaker 3: most unqualified person at any level to be a head coach,
Speaker 3: and that played out right in front of our eyes
Speaker 3: every day. And again, I don't say this to be funny,
Speaker 3: because it's not funny. This is not me being a
Speaker 3: smart ass. I'm being genuine when I say this. I
Speaker 3: greatly appreciate Kenny Payne's consistency because there was really never
Speaker 3: at any point that we didn't see things on a
Speaker 3: daily basis almost that told us this guy's not qualified
Speaker 3: to run this program. And it isn't, you know, outside
Speaker 3: of just the winning and losing like he didn't, it
Speaker 3: just was, I mean, it was the guy was not qualified,
Speaker 3: and you know, louisvill learned that the hard way, and
Speaker 3: you know, people make mistakes and you got to move
Speaker 3: on from it. And with that costly mistake, I think
Speaker 3: that's why Pat Kelsey came in on a lower contract
Speaker 3: than anybody's had at Louisville than a long time. And
Speaker 3: I think that's also a factor in why you see
Speaker 3: ticket sales being what they are, because you know that
Speaker 3: was that was a costly mistake. And I mean that
Speaker 3: you know there's no pun intended. It's when I say costly,
Speaker 3: I mean it was a financial desas you're still paying
Speaker 3: Mac right now, you're paying Kenny Payne, and you're paying
Speaker 3: Pat Kelsey. I mean that's not ideal, but you know
Speaker 3: nothing you can do about it but move forward. So
Speaker 3: I imagine Josh Hurd will do right by Pat Kelsey whenever
Speaker 3: he feels like he needs to and contract extensions. Let
Speaker 3: me ask you this, if I'm just curious to see
Speaker 3: what kind of reaction we get from listeners fans of Louisville,
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Speaker 3: If they gave Pad an extension today and gave him
Speaker 3: more money, would would anybody be bothered by? I mean,
Speaker 3: would anybody feel like, uh oh, we're gonna regret this later.
Speaker 3: And I'm asking genuinely because right now things are going great.
Speaker 3: I feel like to see what he's been able to
Speaker 3: do in this first season in this situation, I mean,
Speaker 3: it's a great early return on your investment, and you
Speaker 3: feel like right now you got it right. Things could
Speaker 3: obviously change, and who knows what the future holds, but
Speaker 3: I just feel like it would be, you know, if
Speaker 3: they did it. And I'm not saying they have to,
Speaker 3: and trust me, I'm not bringing this up because I'm
Speaker 3: trying to put like pressure on you of all to
Speaker 3: do it. I just I kind of feel like if
Speaker 3: they did it, nobody'd be bothered. But I'm not saying
Speaker 3: it's necessary. As we speak, I mean, the season hasn't
Speaker 3: ended yet. Things are going really great right now. I
Speaker 3: doubt Pat's sitting around thinking, I hope I get a
Speaker 3: call from my agent letting me know that that Josh
Speaker 3: is renegotiating a new deal. But again, if they did,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't necessarily be shocked because I mean, I think
Speaker 3: Josh heard again. As much as there's criticism for him
Speaker 3: making the decision to hire Kenny, and I'll give Josh
Speaker 3: a lot of credit. He fell on the sword and
Speaker 3: wanted it to be clear that it was my decision.
Speaker 3: I did it, and that is true, but we all mean,
Speaker 3: I know that there were factors at play that also
Speaker 3: were you know, involved in that whole thing. You know,
Speaker 3: I mean, he was at a tough spot, and you know,
Speaker 3: as I said, if I was in the position. Again,
Speaker 3: I'm not qualified, but if I was him, I would
Speaker 3: have probably done the same thing, and I would have
Speaker 3: you know, it would have been a mistake on mi
Speaker 3: nd as well, and most people probably you know, there
Speaker 3: were a lot of people bringing up the fact that
Speaker 3: you would never hire a guy that had never been
Speaker 3: a head coach before, and you know, that's a legitimate point.
Speaker 3: I made that point when they hired Mike and people
Speaker 3: were talking about Kenny. I just don't think you can
Speaker 3: at Louisville do that. But they did it, and I
Speaker 3: got it as far as I understood why, understood the circumstances,
Speaker 3: understood the timing of it. But clearly it was a
Speaker 3: mistake and we learned the hard way, and you know,
Speaker 3: it sucked, but now we're heading in the right direction.
Speaker 3: So just like I'm not you know, I'm not qualified
Speaker 3: clearly to be an athletic director making these decisions. There's
Speaker 3: things that fans and I'm a fan, so I'm talking
Speaker 3: about myself that like, we don't even really we just
Speaker 3: want to win. Man, we care so bad about this program.
Speaker 3: We've gone through so much in recent years with the
Speaker 3: program just being so bad in a way we never
Speaker 3: thought possible to where we're just thinking like, look, let's
Speaker 3: get back on track. Let's go get a winner, let's
Speaker 3: go get a name, let's just let's just let's get
Speaker 3: this thing turned around. And the quickest way to do
Speaker 3: that is, of course, get rid of Kenny. But then
Speaker 3: it comes to who's next, who you're going to hire.
Speaker 3: And Josh clearly saw something in Pat Kelsey that I
Speaker 3: think others would see it too if it was highlighted,
Speaker 3: like if you said, hey, this guy, he's got the energy,
Speaker 3: he's got the enthusiasm. He really will take the resources
Speaker 3: this vehicle that is Louisville basketball, and he'll navigate it
Speaker 3: as good as anybody because he's got all those intangibles
Speaker 3: and he'll get fans excited. Because he's got that kind
Speaker 3: of personality, he's got that kind of energy about him.
Speaker 3: We all would have said, yeah, that's cool. But I
Speaker 3: think what's played out up to this point as of
Speaker 3: January fifteenth, what I'm seeing is that you know, Josh
Speaker 3: clearly knew what that would do and how that would
Speaker 3: impact us more so than we did. Because you could
Speaker 3: give us a different coach and maybe they have the
Speaker 3: same results. Right, Maybe you bring in Dusty May and
Speaker 3: you're in the same boat with the same record, same situation.
Speaker 3: Maybe it's Josh Shirtz, maybe it's Scott Drew. Pat's part
Speaker 3: of this. The component that is hit Pat Kelsey, the
Speaker 3: charisma that he has, the appreciation for the program, the
Speaker 3: humble vibes that he gives, Like that's an added element
Speaker 3: that at the end of the day, winning and losing
Speaker 3: is what we care about most. But man, Pat has
Speaker 3: added a certain layer here that has made this more enjoyable.
Speaker 3: And I think Josh Share deserves a lot of credit
Speaker 3: because his job is to get Louis of Basketball back
Speaker 3: on track and to win. But you know, right now,
Speaker 3: Louisvell's record, it's great. Like I don't want to act
Speaker 3: like I'm discrediting their success because I'm loving it. It
Speaker 3: is awesome. I didn't think they'd be here whenever they
Speaker 3: lost case in prior and then they got blown out
Speaker 3: by Ole Miss, Like I knew they could potentially be
Speaker 3: better than that showing, but like they've exceeded what I
Speaker 3: ever expected to be what this team is. So you know,
Speaker 3: I'm not acting like they're not playing really good basketball
Speaker 3: and firmly positioning themselves to be safely in the tournament.
Speaker 3: But that was a really long disclaimer to make it
Speaker 3: clear that, like, I think they're great, but their record's
Speaker 3: not crazy great, Like they're not off to like an
Speaker 3: eleven and one start or something like that, but they're
Speaker 3: they're playing hard. They are a reflection of the guy
Speaker 3: on the sidelines and on our fan base. We eat
Speaker 3: that stuff up more so than anybody, I feel like,
Speaker 3: maybe not anybody, but more so than most. And with
Speaker 3: that said, I mean, we'll never know and when it
Speaker 3: comes to that, right hypotheticals that will never have any
Speaker 3: clarity on Like it's sometimes stilly to even go there,
Speaker 3: but I don't I think if you had to get
Speaker 3: in the same situation, and it's one of those guys
Speaker 3: I mentioned, I don't think you're getting anywhere close to
Speaker 3: the amount of people showing up for games the way
Speaker 3: you are. And I say that well aware that we're
Speaker 3: still nowhere close to twenty thousand like we used to have.
Speaker 3: So like there's a Kelsey element here that isn't you know.
Speaker 3: What he brings to the table has been a factor
Speaker 3: in this team being able to get the results they're
Speaker 3: getting right now. But I think there was just clearly
Speaker 3: more there's more interest and I guess just excitement because
Speaker 3: of the way he goes about it. I mean, here,
Speaker 3: I am glazing over the guy like he's the most
Speaker 3: perfect coach of all time.
Speaker 4: But he is.
Speaker 3: He's he's perfect for us right now and I'm enjoying it. Man,
Speaker 3: I really really am been awesome. All right, real quick,
Speaker 3: before we go to the phone lines, if you're on hold,
Speaker 3: stick with us. I promise you we'll get to you
Speaker 3: guys in just a second. But I do want to
Speaker 3: share this this stat just because you know, it's it's
Speaker 3: awesome and just another sign that Louisville basketball is getting,
Speaker 3: you know, getting back to uh to where to where
Speaker 3: they belong. Right now, Louisville has won let's see, they
Speaker 3: have six road games left this season. This is courtesy
Speaker 3: of Kelly Dickey. Louisville has won more road games this season,
Speaker 3: which is four, than they did the past three seasons combined,
Speaker 3: which is three. And again that speaks to how bad
Speaker 3: those three seasons were, of course, but still like they're
Speaker 3: going on the road and winning and I know the
Speaker 3: AC sees down, but I don't give a damn. It
Speaker 3: keeps getting mentioned and I'm not gonna tell anybody they're wrong,
Speaker 3: but like I want to, I want to get a
Speaker 3: tattoo on my forehead for mostly just douguess triggered UK
Speaker 3: fans that are bothered by Louisville's excitement. I know the
Speaker 3: A c C sucks be a weird tattoo, right, but
Speaker 3: I'm need to do it. You got a guy Austin
Speaker 3: who does your ink. Actually you're clean, aren't you?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: No, I do not you have you just have a
Speaker 3: ton of piercings.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always How did you know? Is that what
Speaker 2: we talked to?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 3: Is that why? Like I've heard people, I never understood
Speaker 3: the reference, but I've heard people call you Albert before.
Speaker 3: Is that now? I get it? Now? I totally prince. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's right.
Speaker 2: I've always wanted a tattoo, but I've always I've always
Speaker 2: kind of been a mama's boy too. My mom just
Speaker 2: hates tattoos.
Speaker 3: Awesome. I'm not anti tattooed by any means, because, like
Speaker 3: I think people who some people look a tattoos look
Speaker 3: great on people. I just know they wouldn't look great
Speaker 3: on me. And there's nothing I would win on my
Speaker 3: body forever.
Speaker 2: So like I don't live by like a Bible verse
Speaker 2: or any like moral code or nothing in my life
Speaker 2: has happened drastically where I need one just yet. But
Speaker 2: I'm not rolling out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I dad I'll ever get one, but
Speaker 3: who knows, who knows? Maybe maybe maybe I changed my mind.
Speaker 3: All right, let's go to the phone lines. Cody, Cody,
Speaker 3: welcome into Sports Talk seven ninety. How you doing, sir?
Speaker 5: Hey Nick, what's happening, buddy? I got two quick things
Speaker 5: and I want to hang it. I think that offered
Speaker 5: him a five to six year contract extension, I mean
Speaker 5: I warranted, But the way he's consuming the gas and
Speaker 5: how quickly he's got the team together is I mean,
Speaker 5: more than we can ever ask for. Honestly, at this point,
Speaker 5: I would be more surprised if they didn't make the
Speaker 5: tournament than if they did and if you were told
Speaker 5: me that at the beginning of the season, I would
Speaker 5: have told you were crazy. I mean, from those this
Speaker 5: is the old miss and Tennessee and the way they've
Speaker 5: been playing, he's been getting the gas to get this point.
Speaker 5: I would absolutely a contract extension is warranted. And more thing,
Speaker 5: Nick than I got my promise. I'm rambling here. You
Speaker 5: got me going again. Do you think that if they
Speaker 5: don't offer him a contract extension, do you see some
Speaker 5: of these? I know there's not many per se bigger jobs,
Speaker 5: bigger job waspening at like maybe like at a North
Speaker 5: Carolina or something like that. Pat Kelsey could be one
Speaker 5: of those coaches the program later for him, the bad
Speaker 5: offer him money to Hey, he would you maybe you're
Speaker 5: you're you go be going, buddy. I want to hang
Speaker 5: up and lift thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you weren't rambling, my man, and that's always good
Speaker 3: to hear from you. But the phone was kind of cut.
Speaker 3: There would be like a stretch where I'm like, all right,
Speaker 3: he's good, he's he's now no longer losing signal or
Speaker 3: whatever it was, and then it would kind of revert back.
Speaker 3: But I think your question was if if Pat Kelcey like,
Speaker 3: if Louisvill didn't give him a new contract with one
Speaker 3: of these schools, I think, right now, maybe this is
Speaker 3: just me being biased. He has shown to have things
Speaker 3: that are really really valuable right now in college sports.
Speaker 3: The ability to motivate, he's relatable. He has seems to
Speaker 3: have really good relationships and communication with his players to
Speaker 3: where again they're they're a reflection of him, they're buying
Speaker 3: in and they're also making money in an il. So
Speaker 3: I think he he if he has a really great
Speaker 3: run here and they finished, I don't know, maybe go
Speaker 3: to the sweet sixteen. I just instantly would think no,
Speaker 3: who would call and think they can take Louisvill's coach?
Speaker 3: But until he gets a new contract, you would you
Speaker 3: would think that. My guess is that they'll understand that
Speaker 3: Louisville will will you know, will do what they got
Speaker 3: to do to keep him, and maybe that wouldn't make
Speaker 3: him somebody that they would go after. So when it
Speaker 3: comes to extensions, like a lot of times they're not
Speaker 3: like there's been so many extensions down the line that
Speaker 3: people look back and say, wow, why did we do that?
Speaker 3: Who was gonna hire him? That wasn't necessary, and there's
Speaker 3: plenty of examples of that. So I guess what it
Speaker 3: comes down to for me is like, is there a
Speaker 3: scenario where, like two three years, we think, oh, my goodness,
Speaker 3: can you believe we gave him that new contract and
Speaker 3: now we're stuck with him? Like, I don't see that happening,
Speaker 3: But you really never know. But when it comes down
Speaker 3: to somebody just deciding, hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: give you more money, it's usually because they think you're
Speaker 3: gonna leave. They think somebody else is gonna come and
Speaker 3: get you. So my guess is that if they have
Speaker 3: the strong finish that I hope they have, it'll just
Speaker 3: be a restructured deal. He will add more time, it
Speaker 3: will be more years at it, and he'll make more
Speaker 3: money and we won't have to worry about it anybody.
Speaker 3: I'm not worried at all about him being here long term.
Speaker 3: It's just an interesting situation because he's off to such
Speaker 3: a great start, and if that continues, we will be
Speaker 3: in a position to where, I mean again, I'm not
Speaker 3: faulting anybody, but we would be in a position where,
Speaker 3: for the first time ever, as Louisville basketball fans, we
Speaker 3: sit and think we need to make sure we pay
Speaker 3: our coach, because if not, somebody's going to come and
Speaker 3: try to get him if he stays at that price.
Speaker 3: My thing is, I don't see a scenario where Louisville
Speaker 3: commits to keeping him at his said price if he
Speaker 3: continues to win, because you get what you pay for,
Speaker 3: and he is. I mean, he's making a lot more
Speaker 3: money than he ever made at Charleston. There's no doubt
Speaker 3: about that. He's making a lot of money. He's making
Speaker 3: a lot more money than you, and I'm sure, but
Speaker 3: this job, when it's done well and things are going great,
Speaker 3: it pays a lot more than what he's making now,
Speaker 3: and everybody knows that, and he knows that. So you know,
Speaker 3: I hate even having the conversation, and it's my fault
Speaker 3: out through it out there, But it just fascinates me
Speaker 3: because I think fans right now would be totally fine
Speaker 3: if he got a new deal that locked him in
Speaker 3: long term, that included some big buyout and we may
Speaker 3: learn years down the road that was a mistake, but
Speaker 3: so far, I mean, he's been that impressive. So I
Speaker 3: talked about it a lot yesterday, and I don't want
Speaker 3: to regurgitate too much from what was on the show
Speaker 3: just to day ago. But with schools now having to
Speaker 3: put the bill for revenue sharing and whatnot, that's just
Speaker 3: going to have an impact on decisions like this, right,
Speaker 3: getting coaches more money just because you know they're doing well.
Speaker 3: But if anybody's deserved it, I would say that it
Speaker 3: is Kelsey at this point. But again I'm also not
Speaker 3: going to be like my guess would be that if
Speaker 3: they continue to play well, he will have a new
Speaker 3: contract at the end of the season, and everything's great
Speaker 3: and we're celebrating it. But like he also if he
Speaker 3: got one next week or two weeks from now, I mean,
Speaker 3: I can't say I'd be stunned. Probably not a probable
Speaker 3: thing to happen, but he's got a lot of momentum
Speaker 3: and it's been fun. All right, we got to get
Speaker 3: to a break. We'll come back on the other side.
Speaker 3: Get back to your phone calls, Jerry. I'll be up
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Speaker 3: I do want to talk about Arkansaw's awful start to
Speaker 3: the Caliperi era. I guess Cali Perry's awful start at
Speaker 3: Arkansas's what I should say, because I enjoy seeing it
Speaker 3: in a weird way, because Kenny Payne is the coach there.
Speaker 3: I kind of like that. I don't. I mean, maybe
Speaker 3: that makes me a bitter you know, bitter whatever, Petty,
Speaker 3: I don't care. I'm enjoying watching Arkansas suck. But when
Speaker 3: they come in to play Kentucky at the beginning of February,
Speaker 3: I think it's February first. Well, Kentucky should be big
Speaker 3: favorites there. But man like, if they lose that one,
Speaker 3: it probably won't mean anything in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 3: But Kentucky fence cannot lie and act like it'll just
Speaker 3: be whatever. That'll be a tough one to take, but
Speaker 3: they shouldn't because they're clearly better. All right, let's go
Speaker 3: back to the phone lines here to finish up the
Speaker 3: three o'clock hour. If I go to five seven, one
Speaker 3: seventy nine hundred is the number if you want to
Speaker 3: give us a call, Let's go to Jerry. Jerry, you're
Speaker 3: on Sports Talk seven ninety what's happened? Hey, Nick?
Speaker 4: He keeps throwing out subjects that I want to talk
Speaker 4: about too, And it's not even the reason I came.
Speaker 4: I'll give you a cal real quick. The reason call
Speaker 4: I've I've been communicating a live with people on Twitter
Speaker 4: and stuff Arkansas people, and I keep saying his biggest
Speaker 4: downfall is not shaking up his stay. If he's got
Speaker 4: a bunch of yes man there, they're dead.
Speaker 3: They're dead weight, absolutely, you know.
Speaker 4: Now, now I'll say this cal, I was. I was
Speaker 4: looking forward to him going there knocking it out of
Speaker 4: the park because I thought it'd be funny for all
Speaker 4: the Kentucky.
Speaker 3: Fans that I am here.
Speaker 4: But he he ruined that when he hired Kenny Payne.
Speaker 4: He ruined that for me. Because now I'm.
Speaker 3: With you, I didn't know what I would do. But
Speaker 3: as it's played out, Jerry, I'm like, yeah, this is
Speaker 3: awesome to see both those guys losing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, here's the deal, okay, Uh, I didn't call
Speaker 4: about the Kelsey contract. By getting my thoughts real quick,
Speaker 4: I think Josh heard. You know, he's got to act,
Speaker 4: and I don't know how quickly he has to act.
Speaker 4: But he's also got to be physically responsible. Sure, And
Speaker 4: and here's what I here's what I wish a d
Speaker 4: S would do. Like, here's what I wish Kelsey would accept.
Speaker 4: And I wish he heard would offer a heavy, heavy
Speaker 4: salary and a low low buyout in case things go crazy.
Speaker 4: You know, I think that's the way you got to go.
Speaker 4: You know, you see these bows and you just scratch
Speaker 4: your head and you go, what the hell are we doing?
Speaker 4: You know? But you know, we are not that far
Speaker 4: removed from nor Waterman bailing us out against Eku.
Speaker 3: Yep, and man, how does that look now?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: So oh it's huge, so real quick your KP comment,
Speaker 4: I can't believe that you said you would have hired
Speaker 4: him too. I never thought that. Never he was He
Speaker 4: was from the cow tree and that was enough right
Speaker 4: there to say. And he never had been a head coach.
Speaker 4: He was never willing to go out there. And it's
Speaker 4: like I used to say, he was never willing to
Speaker 4: bet on himself. I wanted the fat salary.
Speaker 3: You were right, that was wrong.
Speaker 4: Okay, So so anyway, the thoughts on the team, real quick,
Speaker 4: very excited. Uh, Kelsey, I'm right now, I'll give him
Speaker 4: a nine out of ten. I mean, uh yeah, Q
Speaker 4: stinks and the A C C stinks. But you know
Speaker 4: what we're doing. We're going up, We're not and having
Speaker 4: e ku scorers. We're crushing some of these teams. You know,
Speaker 4: we're burying them, and you know we're shooting a higher percentage.
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah We're doing. But I will say this,
Speaker 4: after case in Pryor got hurt, I was crushed. I thought, Man,
Speaker 4: it's not gonna it's not gonna happen year. And the
Speaker 4: job they have done is unbelievable. I'm cautiously optimistic. I
Speaker 4: still go into every game looking at it as a
Speaker 4: fifty to fifty. I know the other day on the show,
Speaker 4: you said that a lot of them on the ESPN
Speaker 4: percentages is like fifty two to forty eight. We're a favorite,
Speaker 4: but we're not a heavy favorite, you know. And so
Speaker 4: another thing real quick, Syrahcuse and IU, they both last
Speaker 4: night were so similar to where we've been.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw the pictures of IU
Speaker 4: students section after halftime.
Speaker 3: I saw the clip of them yelling fire woodson. That
Speaker 3: was I mean, that's not that surprising, I guess, but
Speaker 3: I mean that, I mean that was allowed. I mean
Speaker 3: there was a lot of people all on board with it.
Speaker 3: As they were getting embarrassed on their home floor, they.
Speaker 4: Emptied out of there. And there's a picture on Twitter
Speaker 4: that's unbelievable. There's not i mean the top fifty rows,
Speaker 4: there's one guy sitting there. But the hires they've made,
Speaker 4: alumni hires just typically do not work. Brom's working pretty good,
Speaker 4: but besides that, it just seems like it's not working.
Speaker 3: If you're hiring a guy and the biggest component as
Speaker 3: to why you're hiring him is because of the connection
Speaker 3: that I've learned Jerry, that that seems to be the
Speaker 3: red flag right with Brom. We would have hired him
Speaker 3: if he didn't coach here because he was doing well
Speaker 3: at Purdue, and he also would have never come to
Speaker 3: Louisville had he not played here. But I think that's
Speaker 3: what's played out, is like Kenny, nobody else was going
Speaker 3: to hire Kenny, but we did. Right, Nobody else from
Speaker 3: the college game was going to hire Woodson, but they did.
Speaker 3: And not to say those guys didn't have at least
Speaker 3: something on the resume. Kenny never been a head coach
Speaker 3: Woodson had never coached in college. But what was the
Speaker 3: biggest factor in their decision was that they went there.
Speaker 3: And again, I think when you really evaluate, and that's
Speaker 3: where I go back to, you were right, I was wrong.
Speaker 3: You know, Kenny had never been on himself and there
Speaker 3: it was a risk. It was a huge risk at
Speaker 3: a time where you didn't really want to take a
Speaker 3: big risk having a guy leads your program who had
Speaker 3: never done the job before. So, yeah, the hires because
Speaker 3: guys have that connect. If that's the strongest component to
Speaker 3: you wanting to hire them, that should tell you all
Speaker 3: you need to know.
Speaker 4: A couple more things I'll get off here. I appreciate
Speaker 4: the time. Okay, yesterday you somebody texted in and you
Speaker 4: talked about last year's team for a second, and you
Speaker 4: touched on Mike James. Mike James has not played this year,
Speaker 4: really is not played. He is not played for NC State,
Speaker 4: And Dennis Evans has not played for Grand Canyon either.
Speaker 4: I knew that deep dive on that. I did a
Speaker 4: deep dive on that whole team yesterday. The only guys
Speaker 4: that are starting consistently are Trey White and Sky Clark.
Speaker 4: Everybody else, even even Caleb Glenn, who's doing great. He's
Speaker 4: coming off the bench, but most of the guys are
Speaker 4: not starting hurt. He's hurt.
Speaker 3: I was looking at his numbers. It's from last year,
Speaker 3: not this year. Thank you for Clark correcting me.
Speaker 4: I'm hoping he gets a red shirt because I like
Speaker 4: Mike James. But anyway, one more thing. Did you see
Speaker 4: did you see where the kid from Vandy last night
Speaker 4: had his first turnover of the season. He's played over
Speaker 4: three hundred minutes. His name's Tyler Tanner. He's got thirty
Speaker 4: three assist and one turnover.
Speaker 2: I just that shout out to that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that.
Speaker 4: Is unbelievable, you know. So that's all I got, buddy.
Speaker 3: Thank appreciating, appreciate it, Jerry. Good to hear from you. Yeah,
Speaker 3: thirty three assist in one turnover. That's that's very impressive.
Speaker 3: And it'd be different if he didn't play a lot
Speaker 3: he does. He's averaging seven points a game, so impressive,
Speaker 3: no doubt. Now when it comes to the you know,
Speaker 3: when it comes to Josh Hurd and you know, the
Speaker 3: fiscal resp Like the reason I keep talking about it,
Speaker 3: I've done it two straight days, is not because like
Speaker 3: I'm I'm thinking somebody messed up and didn't give Kelsey
Speaker 3: more money when he signed on. It's not because I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: as we sit here today and he doesn't have a
Speaker 3: new contract, somebody's did something wrong. I just find it
Speaker 3: fascinating because this is an unusual spot for Louisville fans
Speaker 3: to feel like, all right, we got to cut the
Speaker 3: check because we know we're paying less than we typically
Speaker 3: do one because Pat was going to get a big
Speaker 3: rais jumping from Charleston to Louisville, but also because of
Speaker 3: the costly mistake that was made with KP. So I'm
Speaker 3: just fascinate to see how it plays out. I believe
Speaker 3: firmly that it'll play out where he gets a new
Speaker 3: deal at some point and he's here as long as
Speaker 3: he wants to be here, if he continues to have success.
Speaker 3: But it's just, you know, unfamiliar territory, I guess, but
Speaker 3: that should be expected to give it the fact that
Speaker 3: the territory we were in the last couple of years.
Speaker 3: Same thing, all right, we got to run two more
Speaker 3: hours left though, And I do want to talk about
Speaker 3: Indiana kind of where they go, and I rarely can
Speaker 3: say I told you so, and I guess I can't
Speaker 3: really do that yet, but I felt like last night
Speaker 3: was going to be either a blowout loss for Indiana
Speaker 3: that sends them in a level of toxicity they've not
Speaker 3: experienced yet under MIKEA. Woodson, or they were going to
Speaker 3: get a win to kind of confirm that despite sort
Speaker 3: of a worse start than they expected, they can still
Speaker 3: be pretty good. But they ended up getting blown out,
Speaker 3: and like, Woodson's got to be done at the end
Speaker 3: of the year, I mean, right, I mean, in fact,
Speaker 3: I he's kind of at a level now where their
Speaker 3: decision to bring him back in it already working out
Speaker 3: pretty poorly right now. It wouldn't be a crazy thing
Speaker 3: if they fired in midseason, just because they're in a
Speaker 3: position now where they need fans to not be as
Speaker 3: dejected as they are, because clearly there were some fans
Speaker 3: that thought Woodson shouldn't have been back this year. He
Speaker 3: did come back. He built a really good team as
Speaker 3: far as talent, but he's not leading it. And when
Speaker 3: they get beat, they get blown out, they just roll
Speaker 3: over Louisville. Louisville did it to him just a month
Speaker 3: or two ago. Whenever it was and here they are again.
Speaker 3: Once they hit adversity and they play good teams, they
Speaker 3: get bent over. All right, quick break will come back.
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