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Speaker 1: We are one ninety game.

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Speaker 2: I'm just looking to see any of this Clancy in

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the zool. It's the second this Lancy appears to us

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by zoom out of the target release.

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Speaker 1: This case is calf emotions coma first.

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Speaker 3: Good morning, you're on a Jennifer spread to a kamawell

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you spray good morning.

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Speaker 4: I believe Attorney Kenny is on our way upstairs now.

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Speaker 2: Okay, all right, and Shannon Buckingham also over there going

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Tony Buckingham, Good morning.

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Speaker 5: There the Kevin Readdington on behalf of Lindsay Clancy, who

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has you know is going.

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Speaker 2: The zoom with us as Radington. Good morning this Clancy,

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good morning?

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Speaker 1: Can you hear me? All right?

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Speaker 2: Good morning after honor?

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Speaker 1: Okay, thank you all right.

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Speaker 2: So this is really kind of a continuation of the

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discussions that we had yesterday.

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Speaker 1: And what I wanted to do was the.

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Speaker 2: Whole kind of give you where I think, uh, we're

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going to go and then and see that and we

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can go right there. One of the first things I

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want to talk about again is transportation and logistics issues.

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Speaker 1: How are we going to do that? Then I want

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to go over.

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Speaker 2: The medical records kind of where we are in regards

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to discovery.

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Speaker 1: Then I want to kind of see where.

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Speaker 2: We are, and then I know there's a Rule seventeen

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motion we have to talk about and then talk about

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other needed dates before the trial. And the last thing

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that I probably mentioned so everydy has in the head

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is the date to provide an updated joint pre trial memo,

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because I think that's going to be very helpful.

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Speaker 1: At least for the court in regards to preparation.

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Speaker 2: And so I think the first thing that I would

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suggest bringing up is the transportation and other related issues

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in regards to it. I don't talked a little bit

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about that yesterday debt was more.

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Speaker 1: I think in the frame of it being.

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Speaker 2: Of an emergency issue about whether or not its claims

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was brought in.

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Speaker 1: Today we can now kind of take more.

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Speaker 2: Of a deep breath and talk about kind of where

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we're going.

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Speaker 1: Over They so atturned Kenny's here.

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Speaker 2: As well, and so good as to what kind of

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what the Sheriff's department thoughts are proposed plans or procedures

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how they would follow in a.

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Speaker 1: Case like this.

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Speaker 6: Good morning here on Jessica Kenny on behalf of the

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from the.

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Speaker 7: County Sheriff's department.

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Speaker 6: As they've represented to the court previously, we were forwarded.

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Speaker 7: The habe to bring the defendant to court.

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Speaker 6: In this manner a couple of times previously, it gets

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sent to Tewksbury, but because she's also held without bail

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on the murder charges, Tewksbury sends that to us.

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Speaker 7: I originally thought that that might have just been because

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of the murder charges, but as I learned and explained.

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Speaker 6: To the court yesterday, I apologize.

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Speaker 7: I have a clop drop in my life. I just

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have a little cold, so I didn't.

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Speaker 1: Watch it to the audience.

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Speaker 6: As I learned yesterday, it's also essential because Tewksbury Hospital

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doesn't have the ability to transport nor.

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Speaker 7: The security to be able to do it either.

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Speaker 6: So, as I indicated previously, the last time we were

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sent a hay for her appearance, we received that from

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Tewksbury Hospital with a note that her medical information would follow.

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It did follow with the facts from Tewksbury that explained

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the nature of some of her medical needs.

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Speaker 7: In light of receiving that facts, the.

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Speaker 6: Transportation Supervisor reached out to me into our HSA, who

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is our Health Services administrator, and asked for a little

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bit more information to make sure that we could be

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all of her needs.

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Speaker 7: So our HSA, who was in court with me.

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Speaker 6: On the last day, did reach out to Tewksbury Hospital

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and spoke with someone there who provides us a little

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bit more background information about the medical necessity that would

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be required.

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Speaker 7: And based on that information.

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Speaker 6: That we received, we understood that we could transport her

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in a van that we have that has been equipped

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to hold a wheelchair. It's a regular transportation van that

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we had about a year after we purchased it. We

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had it outfitted by a company specifically that does that.

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Speaker 7: To make it so that it can be used or

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utilized with a wheelchair.

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Speaker 6: We had also indicated that based on the information we

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received from Tixsbury, we had no objection to sending a

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nurse along with Ms Clancy.

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Speaker 7: The information we had received from Texsbury was that.

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Speaker 6: A likelihood she could handle any care matters that came up,

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but in the event that she did need some medical assistance,

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we thought it would be prudent to send a nurse

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along with her for that transportation. And so that was

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our plan based on the information that we had from Tewksbury.

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Speaker 7: Obviously, since that occurred.

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Speaker 6: I have received from mister Reddington an Ada request that

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he filed with the court with documentation from a psychologist

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that any sort of custody situation would create a sense

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of helplessness and loss of control that could trigger some

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mental health responses from her. I'm also in receipt of

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a two page letter I believe it was just yesterday

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or Monday that that was forwarded to me that instead

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indicated that she may actually need a stretcher and that

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she would need two nurses to accompany her, and it

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had some more detailed medical information.

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Speaker 7: So before I had received those, like I said, based.

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Speaker 6: On our communications, that was our plan. That's all the

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information that I have regarding that. I only obviously have

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what Tukesbury shares with us, and then what I receive

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from our council separately or from the court and pleadings.

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Speaker 7: If it is still the case.

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Speaker 6: That Tukesbury believe she could be in the wheelchair van,

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we are able to do that if she requires an ambulance.

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Speaker 7: I've spoken to our transportation officer about this. It's a

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much bigger ask.

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Speaker 6: We would have to contract with a private ambulance company

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to provide that, because we do not have an ambulance

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and Twksbury does not have an ambulance, so there would

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be certainly a.

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Speaker 7: Cost associated with that. There's also some logistics is that.

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Speaker 6: The scheduling of an ambulance obviously can sometimes be a

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difficult thing given the nature of what ambulances are. I

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don't know if we would require the ambulance of court

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require the ambulance to stay at the courthouse the entire

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Speaker 7: Clancy was here each day to make that stretcher.

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Speaker 6: Available to her if she needed it. If the ambulance

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were allowed to leave, it would then require the trial

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court officers to reach out to the Sheriff's department to

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reach out to the ambulance company to send the ambulance back.

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Speaker 7: And obviously that would have to occur.

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Speaker 6: If that's what the court rules that she meets for transportation,

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that wouldn't require us to arrange that every day of

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her trial for the duration of that trial.

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Speaker 7: So we do not have another way to transport.

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Speaker 6: Her if it's not in an in a van that

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can accommodate her wheelchair, All.

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Speaker 8: Right, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask if.

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Speaker 2: In regards to the information you received from two expert

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not considering the psychiatric concerns that were raised a separate

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would the Sheriff's department be able to provide the care

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or the supervision that was kind of spelled out in

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that letter from the other day.

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Speaker 7: So that letter from the other day seems to indicate

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that she would need a flat surface such as a gurney,

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and believe it was an example.

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Speaker 6: So we don't have a van that could accommodate a stretcher,

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so if she needed that during transport, it would be

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an ambulance. If it was a matter of getting a

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stretcher to the courthouse so that she had it here available,

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I can talk to our facility about whether we have

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some sort of medical bed that we could make available

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to her here if she requires two. If the court

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finds that she requires two nurses, obviously that's a little

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bit more of a strain on our staff, as we

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would be then required to pull two nurses out of

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our medical unit in the jail. So I did actually

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briefly mention yesterday when I was speaking to the attorneys

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from Twksbury if.

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Speaker 7: Maybe they would be willing to split.

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Speaker 1: That with us.

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Speaker 6: And maybe if they may be able to send a

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nurse from tuks Ban and we would send one from

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the House of Correction, so there could be two, but

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neither of our because they also expressed concern about pulling

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two nurses off of their floor as well, and I.

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Speaker 7: Know they're at least open to the idea of talking

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Speaker 6: It would probably involve conversations with the attorneys from DMH

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because there are some union and labor issues that we

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up yesterday. If the court does order her to have

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two nurses with her, perhaps one could come from the

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house direction and one from the hospital setting, so that

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neither is really shorthanded. I know this will probably be

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a lengthy trial, if I understand, and so it's just

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a it can be done, but it would just take

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some planning, that's all.

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Speaker 7: We're hoping to get an order from the court well

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Speaker 6: Plan would be yes, especially if there's going to be

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an ambulance involved, because that in fact, yesterday we tried

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in case the court didn't allow her to appear on

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so today, we tried to see how we'd be able

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to maybe get an ambulance for today. We had struck

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out on all of the attempts that we had made,

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so advanced planning is key if there's going to be

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an ambulance involved, and if there's going to be more

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Speaker 8: Okay, right, thank you very much.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thank you, Miss Grindington.

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Speaker 2: What suggestions or proposals would you suggest the court implement

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in regards to the transportation.

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Speaker 1: As well as while Miss Clancy is here.

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Speaker 5: During the trialey, that whole presentation is as the old

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song back in the seventies is radio Guy, Guy doesn't

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tell you anything. The last time that Council for the

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Sheriff addressed this court, I got off of FTR the

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representations that were made to this court that led to

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my filing the seventeen motion, which I think is central

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to the issues that you and I don't envy your

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job because this is a nightmare. This case is going

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to be a logistical nightmare when you consider the facts

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that number one, we have a person who is paralyzed

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and will be paralyzed for the rest of our life,

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and has lost any sensation in any motive control whatsoever,

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And I am referring to the January second, twenty twenty

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six letter that I obtained from the physician's assistant who

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knows Miss Clancy, who has been involved very very deeply

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with her treatment and care, indicating that lacks both sensation

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and motive control below the sternum brestupone when we had

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our hearing and counsel for the Sheriff may represents to you.

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First of all, one of the things that was said

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Speaker 8: Be apparently the sheriff.

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Speaker 5: Health Services administrator and I quote reached out to the

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medical team there and learned that Clancy is confined.

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Speaker 8: To a wheelchair.

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Speaker 5: However, she can self transfer and can provide self care

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in virtually all aspects of a day trip like this

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to the courthouse. A day trip like this to the courthouse,

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the only thing Teekesbury was requesting was that we transport

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her via a wheelchair van, which we do have one

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of those bands available, which begs the question, first of all,

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as my roof seventeen motion, I did an investigation and

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I don't know who the heck they talked to from Teukesbury,

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but that's not the information I'm getting from Tewkesbury. So

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I filed the request number one want a copy of

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the signed hippiform.

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Speaker 8: That is a law. It's a federal law.

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Speaker 5: We all know it, and it means something that a

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person has to sign an authorization before people can willingly

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mental condition, dealing with medical records and things of that nature,

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which apparently was done here. There's an awful lot of

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representations manage to the court about someone from Tewksbury.

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Speaker 8: Let me stuck in.

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Speaker 2: Physicians assistant, and if I have that information from that

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letter that was provided by you to the court as

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well as to the car model, my thought is that

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seems to be more representative of what the condition is,

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and I'd like to go forward if I adopt that opinion.

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The question I'd have is what are the arrangements consistent

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with that then conditioned It's set out in that letter.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of where I'm at.

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Speaker 8: Right now, understood, and I appreciate that.

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Speaker 5: And facts and identification of the source of the facts

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are important here. You don't just reference someone from Tewkesbury.

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And then in my roll seventeen. I asked for identification

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of the person who is the health service administrator apparently

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for the sheriff that spoke to someone from Tewkesbury about

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the day trip to the courthouse. I don't know who

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it is that work for the Sheriff's department that talked to.

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Speaker 8: Them in Tewkesbury.

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Speaker 5: As I said, I want to have in my order

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a copy of the HIPPI form that was signed by

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Ms Clancy, which I know and that represents of the

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court's never done. I want to know the identity of

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the person from Tewkesbury who allegedly advises that she is

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capable of providing health care in all aspects of the

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day trip to the courthouse, and that all they wanted

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was transferred via wheelchair. You take that letter of January

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second that was addressed to whom it may concern, which

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unfortunately is you, because you are the one that ultimately

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has to decide the logistics of this case.

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Speaker 8: And it is nightmarish.

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Speaker 5: We are going to be in a situation where we

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have a woman who is paralyzed from the Sternham down.

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Your honor is well aware that she has no control

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over any of her bodily functions.

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Speaker 8: Urana has the.

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Speaker 5: Letter that describes in detail the requirements, and I know

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the letter is underseal. I'm just out of interest in

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trying not to get into embarrassing issues here. It's incredible.

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The medical care that is necessary for the duration of

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the trial and periodically during the day. This is where

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it's advised to the court that she requires is a

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two person female assist for these issues necessitating transfers to

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flat surfaces such as stretcher or exam table. How that

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health does she come up with telling you that she's

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able to emulate and self transfer and provide self care

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in all aspects of a day trip like this to

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the courthouse. When you have this letter that tells you

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the condition that this woman is in requiring two.

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Speaker 8: Person faces hard facts that we're dealing with here. So

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look looking back at the letter.

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Speaker 5: After the transfer it to the flat surface, it has

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to be done on a regular basis.

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Speaker 8: She then has other issues that have to be taken

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care of.

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Speaker 5: As you can well imagine, she is not able to

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even use a handicapped bathroom stall. She has to have

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extra supplies available, she has to have a nurse that's

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not a veterinarian that knows what the medical condition of

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the individual sheriff's the pot.

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Speaker 8: See.

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Speaker 5: We have raised the issue into one twenty three twenty one.

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A person who is mentally ill who has been committed,

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if you will to the care, cossing and control the.

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Speaker 8: Close the sheriff illness two or.

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Speaker 5: Previse authorized under this chapter shall not use any restraints

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they're unnecessary for the safety of the person being transported

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or anyone likely to come in contact with the prison.

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I've also requested ADA assistance.

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Speaker 8: I researched into it.

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Speaker 5: And found that there is one form that is supposed

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to be used in the Superior Court and the Comonwealth

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of Massachusetts or any of the court systems in the

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cononlawth of Massachusetts.

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Speaker 8: That form was provided by the committee.

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Speaker 5: As you runner knows, that is dealing with the Americans

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with Disabilities Act. She's an American, she's resumed innocent, she

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has a disability. She comes squarely under the ADA. I

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filed the request with this court Council for the sheriff

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indicated that I didn't ask the sheriff. I filed it

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randomly with the court. No, it wasn't randomly with the

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court it's what was required by the Superior Court ADA.

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So I did file ADA, meaning Americans a Disabilities Act.

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I did file that request. So now we're dealing with

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one twenty three twenty one. We're dealing with the ADA,

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and it does apply to this court. So my suggestion

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you're on her is that I need to know who

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it was that they talked to from Tewksbury because I

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want to interview that person. I want to copy the

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hip or form, which I know they don't have, and

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I want to know who the person is from the

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Sheriff's Department that made these representations to Attorney Kenny, because

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Attorney Kenny, I'm sure, is relying on what was provided

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to her.

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Speaker 8: So you, I think have to have a hearing. Now

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hearing might.

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Speaker 5: Entail evidence from the physician's assistant. Maybe it would require evidence.

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Speaker 8: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: Maybe you have an independent evaluation. This whole thing raises

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issues of confidence and trial. How's the person going to

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be able to go through the horrific emotion of this

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case for three to four weeks on a daily basis

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with these medical issues of significant concern, not to mention

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the fact as is indicated again in the letter which

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gives you the hard facts that we're dealing with, that

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she has significant suicidal ideation, that since she has.

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Speaker 8: Been in custody.

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Speaker 5: Care and control of DMH and has been in Tewkesbury,

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for example, she is on a twenty four to seven

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y by a third party.

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Speaker 8: A person has to observe her.

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Speaker 5: She cannot have access to anything that she can use

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to hurt herself. She's not in dangered to others, that's

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for sure, but she's surely a dangered to herself. So

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all of this people telling you, well, Judge, you know,

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we can put her in the walk up, and we

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can put her downstairs and we can move her up

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to it.

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Speaker 8: It's not on me. If this woman kills herself during

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this trial, which there is a very real probability.

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Speaker 5: That could have, it's on somebody, and it's not on

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me because I'm coming in here with names, reports, facts,

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medical and psychiatric issues, and unfortunately it always at your

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table because you are the judge that has to determine

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the logistics on this case.

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Speaker 8: So that's why I think we need a full hearing.

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Speaker 2: A commonwealth you wish to address the court, Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So Defense Council referenced Chapter one twenty three, Section

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twenty one.

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Speaker 7: But what it states in the very beginning.

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Speaker 3: Of that statute is that it applies only to the

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transport for any purpose under that Chapter one twenty three.

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So that's basically someone committed under Chapter one twenty three

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and you're transporting to court to address those issues. This

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is clearly, clearly not that situation where she's going to

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be transported for a murder trial, a criminal case.

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Speaker 7: So I suggest that the.

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Speaker 3: Items listed in that statute describing how and when you can.

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Speaker 4: Have someone confined or restrained don't apply here in.

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Speaker 3: Terms of the HIPPA form that defense is asking for.

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This woman is a prisoner held without bail on these

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charges and is in the custody control of the Sheriff's Department,

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so they have every right to access her medical information

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because they're.

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Speaker 4: Responsible for her care and treatment and keeping her safe, which.

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Speaker 3: They have done an excellent job up until now, and

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I assume they will continue to do so now. The

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letter from the physician's assistant Data January second, twenty twenty

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six never states that Miss Clancy has to be transported

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in an ambulance, never says that she has to have

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a stretcher for transportation. What it says is for bathroom needs,

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she requires the two females and a flat surface such

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as a stretcher or an exam table.

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Speaker 7: So I think that the initial.

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Speaker 3: What's in this letter and what was initially described to

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Terny Kenny is correct that she could be transported in

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a wheelchair van.

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Speaker 7: But we now have the.

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Speaker 3: Additional information that we need to medical staff present in

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some type of table, which I think we could probably

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rent something. You know you can rent too medical equipment,

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so I think the court could arrange that or the

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Sheriff's department, however you order it. And the other the

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defense had mentioned how Miss Kenny was able to come

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up with this information about Miss Clancy being able to

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take care of herself. It's read in this letter from

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January second. It says Miss Clancy is able to independently

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transfer between her wheelchair and her hospital bed, so she

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is capable of.

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Speaker 7: Transfer and movement, and that is what Miss Kenny said.

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Speaker 3: We now have this new information about bathroom needs, but

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that can be accommodated. So I don't think there's any

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reason for the drama here. There is no need for

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hearing here. You have the letter from the physician's assistant.

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An order can be crafted from that, and the Sheriff's

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Department can comply with that. So I think it would

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be good for everyone to just take a breath and

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make a plan and follow the plan.

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Speaker 8: I'd like to respond you I briefly, I don't need

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to take a breath.

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Speaker 5: What I am going to do is make reference to

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the letter that was just referred to, which is January two,

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twenty twenty six, that I obtained and requested, and Council

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just told you that. The letter says that Miss Clancy

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and I quote, is able to independently transferred between her

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wheelchair and her hospital bed. But what was not said

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is the rest of the sentence, which is that she

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has not had nificant exposure to settings outside of the

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hospital since her injury and would likely not be able

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to safely transfers independently and unfamiliar settings.

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Speaker 1: We here's what I'm gonna do.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to craft in order based largely on the

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information that the court has received from the physicians assistant

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from TEUSPO, and so that's the starting point that I'm

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going That's really the only.

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Speaker 1: Information that I have. So I'm going to draft anywer,

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and I am going to distribute it to both.

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Speaker 2: Council on this as well as to the Sheriff's Department,

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and we may need a follow up hearing in regards

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to that if the sheriff Department says we can and

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we can't comply with that, or if the defendant feels

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this doesn't address.

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Speaker 1: Enough the issues that are set out. But I have.

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Speaker 2: A very specific report as to MS clans, these limitations

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and needs, and I'm going to craft to the best

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that I can in order addressing the needs of transportation

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to and from the courthouse, but also how we handle

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the time that she's here, what needs she needs during

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the trial and oft times.

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Speaker 1: So she's in one of them cells. So I'm gonna

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try and draft as specific an order. You know, we've

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all tried a lot of cases, we know, you know,

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I think I know kind of some of the things

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that can.

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Speaker 2: Happen, and there's waiting time and there's downtime in regards

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to that. So I'm going to try as best I can,

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but I know I've been to overlook something and so

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I think it's going to require at least one more run.

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If everybody commits, say Okay, what do you think, what's

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the problem that you see, Sheriff's department?

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Speaker 1: What's the problem that you see?

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Speaker 2: Phrase something like a qualified nurse questions what's qualified? That

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maybe something we have to specifically address.

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Speaker 8: But I want to.

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Speaker 2: Get this done within really the next couple of weeks

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or so, because the one thing I don't want is

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to have everybody here for done me.

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Speaker 1: I know, I understand that for me to draft this

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order circulated between the parties and then have one more

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kind of meet here to.

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Speaker 2: Say, do you see a problem? Do you see a

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problem Sheriff's department? Do you see a problem?

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Speaker 1: And then get that in place and everybody can kind

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of figure that out.

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Speaker 2: And if it requires getting a second nurse and it

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requires phone calls, how we.

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Speaker 1: Do that well? Or how they said, or the getting

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a gurdy or getting a.

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Speaker 2: Stretcher that we can place in one of the cells

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on this floor so what's not in it floors downstairs?

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Speaker 1: At least then we can get going on.

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Speaker 2: That's not something we have to do with the first

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day of trial. So that's that's where I'm going to

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do on this. I'm gonna take a run in draft

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and disorder as best I can and then but everybody

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should rest assured that that's not going to be the

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end of it.

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Speaker 1: The parties will have an opportunity to.

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Speaker 2: Kind of respond to it, and I would welcome suggestions

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if someone says this is a better way to do this,

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or this is not a wrestling something we thought of.

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Speaker 1: But at least that'll give us a starting point. And

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like I said, I have I am now a very

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specific consideration.

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Speaker 2: I'm also going to review in regards to eighty eight compliance.

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I know that I have started to look into that

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in regards to that, but I think this is this

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may address those issues, so I want to make sure