Speaker 1: You ever heard of the scene in midtown Manhattan quite
Speaker 1: the happening place in the sixties. I mean, Jim Morrison,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Hendricks, a Fleetwood Mac, I mean this.
Speaker 2: Was the place to be.
Speaker 1: Of course, it was a flash in the pan most
Speaker 1: great clubs are. But it was when this space was
Speaker 1: being demolished in two thousand and three, when the workers
Speaker 1: demolishing the joint started hammering into a section of the
Speaker 1: basement and.
Speaker 2: A skull rolled out. That is where we kick off
Speaker 2: True Crime Tuesday.
Speaker 3: The story is true. That's true.
Speaker 2: No, it sounds made up.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Garry and Shannon present true fun. Man.
Speaker 4: If you are a fan of those one thousand piece puzzles,
Speaker 4: this story feels like a five thousand piece puzzle.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and a lot of different roads that would take
Speaker 1: you in different places.
Speaker 4: The pieces that fit in the wrong spots one of
Speaker 4: those kinds of things.
Speaker 1: Yes, a lot of sky pieces, lots of sky and clouds.
Speaker 4: Well, the scene, that club that you're talking about had
Speaker 4: been many things since the sixties.
Speaker 3: When it was shut down.
Speaker 4: There three oh one West forty sixth Street had several tenants.
Speaker 4: In some cases it was after the scene had closed
Speaker 4: and turned into a porn shop, a dive bar, and
Speaker 4: then a restaurant, and a restaurant was sort of the
Speaker 4: key that led to the discovery of a body. They
Speaker 4: were trying to put together a walk in freezer in
Speaker 4: the basement of this building in February of two thousand
Speaker 4: and three, and demolition was the whole thing. The construction
Speaker 4: workers noticed a raised concrete slab behind an aging coal
Speaker 4: furnace in the basement of this building, six feet wide,
Speaker 4: five feet long, a foot high.
Speaker 3: Didn't make any sense. Why why would it be there.
Speaker 4: One of the workers takes out a sledgehammer and smashes
Speaker 4: through the concrete and a human skull falls out.
Speaker 1: The cops arrive, they dig in. They find the bones
Speaker 1: of a girl lying in a fetal position, hands and
Speaker 1: feet bound together by an extension cord wrapped around her
Speaker 1: neck as well. She'd been wrapped up in a rust
Speaker 1: colored rug. At some point cement was poured on top
Speaker 1: of her. They knew she wore a size thirty two,
Speaker 1: a bra, clear pantyhose, a glittery frock. They recovered a
Speaker 1: ring with the initials p McK G, a watch issued
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty six, a dime dated nineteen sixty nine
Speaker 1: and a plastic toy soldier.
Speaker 2: What a wild.
Speaker 1: You know, what do you call those tubes that you
Speaker 1: plant from years gone by?
Speaker 3: Micapsule?
Speaker 1: What a tie capsule of a crime scene? Right, like
Speaker 1: the fact that all of this was intact is wild.
Speaker 1: There was also DNA from an unknown source, possibly a
Speaker 1: white male, from a hair found in that rug.
Speaker 3: There were some red herrings.
Speaker 4: They now know they were red herrings in terms of
Speaker 4: the time your time capsule analogy. There there was a
Speaker 4: bag of rat poison that was found in that concrete
Speaker 4: slab that was believed to have been manufactured in nineteen
Speaker 4: seventy nine. There was a clothing label which wouldn't have
Speaker 4: appeared to exist before nineteen eighty eight. So they're trying
Speaker 4: to kind of backtime this and if they know the
Speaker 4: approximate age of this girl somewhere between sixteen and twenty
Speaker 4: one years old, they go back and kind of backdate
Speaker 4: and try to figure out when are they going to
Speaker 4: start looking through the missing persons reports. So they go
Speaker 4: back to nineteen fifty eight, that's where they started. Eventually
Speaker 4: they realized that that was going to be five years
Speaker 4: too late because those other later things that were discovered
Speaker 4: were just not actually part of the case that they
Speaker 4: were looking at.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, this is all discovered in two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: but still technology had not caught up nearly to how
Speaker 1: well it has caught up now, right. They did a
Speaker 1: lot of different tests on the DNA. The bones were
Speaker 1: too degradated at that time, degradated to go through and
Speaker 1: get any air answers from there. But the cold case
Speaker 1: unit took a look at this in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: and in twenty twenty three, the unit ran the DNA
Speaker 1: profile through CODIS, the National DNA database, and then they
Speaker 1: started using the familial genetic data.
Speaker 2: This is what we've talked about numerous times.
Speaker 1: It's how they tracked down the Golden State killer it
Speaker 1: has been used for iding.
Speaker 2: Jane Does as.
Speaker 1: Well, a veteran genetic genealogist who joined the NYPD on contract,
Speaker 1: was one of the ones who released sat down and
Speaker 1: poured through all of the DNA. She was the one
Speaker 1: who found the name in an obituary for a man
Speaker 1: named Bernard McLoone. This was after she kind of went
Speaker 1: through the profiles and intersected them her the familial DNA
Speaker 1: and found that there was one, there was a first cousin,
Speaker 1: and then there was a second cousin on there was
Speaker 1: a first cousin on the maternal side, second cousin on
Speaker 1: the paternal side. They kind of intersected all the data
Speaker 1: and found out the name Patricia Mclone and that was
Speaker 1: the one that kind of the only one that had
Speaker 1: both of those two people in their tree. And then
Speaker 1: they found the obituary for the guy, Bernard maclone.
Speaker 4: Okay, So once they get to that point and they've
Speaker 4: got a name for Patricia and they know who she was,
Speaker 4: they know what basically that she was born in nineteen
Speaker 4: fifty three, they then have to figure out how did
Speaker 4: she end up in that concrete slab and.
Speaker 1: She's sixteen at the time of her death murder, you
Speaker 1: would assume.
Speaker 2: Turns out she had a husband.
Speaker 3: Yeah, very weird.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this dead girl for True Crime Tuesday.
Speaker 1: This young girl that was entombed basically in a concrete
Speaker 1: slab for decades, a hot club in the sixties that
Speaker 1: closed down. It was being demolished in two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: and they recover the bones of this girl and we're trying.
Speaker 2: To figure it out who was she?
Speaker 1: It wasn't until a couple years ago when they're running
Speaker 1: the familial DNA that they get this hit and they
Speaker 1: finally get a name on this girl. Now, was it
Speaker 1: a young girl who decided to go to one of
Speaker 1: the hot clubs in midtown maybe where there was the
Speaker 1: mafia involved? Maybe was her shady thirty two year old husband,
Speaker 1: what sixteen years old and she's got a thirty two
Speaker 1: year old husband. Yeah, there's a lot of ways this
Speaker 1: girl could have turned up dead, is all I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Well, her mom and dad finger quotes had a pretty
Speaker 4: interesting life in that dad actually had two other families
Speaker 4: by the time he married Mom.
Speaker 2: Love a secret family.
Speaker 4: And try two of them. So there's a lot of
Speaker 4: mystery going into this girl's life. Early on the club itself,
Speaker 4: like we said, the scene, the last days were not great.
Speaker 3: Steve Paul was the owner.
Speaker 4: The bunch of people, including the mob, were coming in
Speaker 4: and demanding money for protection, et cetera. You know, we've
Speaker 4: seen that in multiple movies over the course of years.
Speaker 4: He predicted in nineteen sixty seven that the club was
Speaker 4: probably not gonna last. And this again is after the
Speaker 4: Doors had a regular residency there. Jimmy Hendrix would show up,
Speaker 4: Leonard Bernstein would walk through the halls. Every once in
Speaker 4: a while, record executives like Clive Davis would be there
Speaker 4: to try to catch a musical act before anybody else
Speaker 4: really saw it. Now it's not clear if nineteen seventy
Speaker 4: three is about when the scene closed down, if Steve Paul,
Speaker 4: the owner, knew anything about the teenage girl that was
Speaker 4: buried in the basement, and if he didn't.
Speaker 1: Somebody knew something. I mean, this girl was obviously coming
Speaker 1: from a troubled home. She may have had a teenage pregnancy.
Speaker 1: There was a fight over money between her dead father
Speaker 1: and the mother that remained. There was a brother involved
Speaker 1: trying to get his hands on the money, and so
Speaker 1: they still have no.
Speaker 2: Idea how this girl was killed. But still so many avenues.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you think you hear these stories and you think, oh,
Speaker 1: so it was the older husband or whatever that impregnated
Speaker 1: her when she was still in high school.
Speaker 2: Maybe not.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a girl who went out to the
Speaker 1: hot club and fell in with the wrong crowd. Maybe
Speaker 1: it was the guy who ran the club that was
Speaker 1: in trouble with the off and they said, hey, we
Speaker 1: need you to hide a body and we're going to
Speaker 1: put it in this concrete in the basement of your club.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's a number of things that could have
Speaker 2: gone wrong.
Speaker 4: Now, needless to say, the guy that she had married
Speaker 4: is the guy that the NYPD wants more information on.
Speaker 2: I mean, still with us.
Speaker 4: That's what they think. His name is Donald Grant. At
Speaker 4: least they believe his name is Donald Grant. They're very
Speaker 4: interested in learning more information about him, whether he's still alive,
Speaker 4: whoever it might be. What other names did the guy
Speaker 4: actually use, because I mean, it would be obvious the
Speaker 4: closest person to a missing or murdered person in this
Speaker 4: case is going to be the one that's going to
Speaker 4: have the most information about it.
Speaker 2: That's the obvious one.
Speaker 1: But again, there's so much going around around a hot
Speaker 1: club like this with big names that it's an easy
Speaker 1: place to hide a mistake. Yeah, unfortunately, all right, John
Speaker 1: kencho But if you know Donald Grant, John Kenshaw, how
Speaker 1: about John John Covalo?
Speaker 3: Did I say John and Ken show?
Speaker 2: Where is Ken?
Speaker 3: You have his number? He doesn't. He never gave me.
Speaker 1: An let's see, the last time Ken wrote back to me,
Speaker 1: I'm new here, so you have to forgive me,