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<v Speaker 1>The Prime Minister was made to look utterly hopeless and

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<v Speaker 1>foolish at the dispatch box. I was watching what Kemy

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<v Speaker 1>did to him, and eventually, after three hard questions, he

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<v Speaker 1>had to admit that actually that he did know some

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<v Speaker 1>of these things. It's going to come even further. I

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<v Speaker 1>cannot believe that in the vetting of Peter Manilson, with

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<v Speaker 1>his track record for having lied previously to governments, that

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<v Speaker 1>m I five and the Security services generally would not

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<v Speaker 1>have uncovered a whole series of issues about his relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with Epstein, and that alone should have been enough to

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<v Speaker 1>stop him being the ambassador because that relationship was toxic.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had a good morning, hits Andy. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>fifth of February and as you see by the background,

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<v Speaker 2>stop politicians lying and these five minutes run. I've not

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<v Speaker 2>done anything for few days because I've been busy, but

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<v Speaker 2>I couldn't help but stepping in trying to like, share,

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<v Speaker 2>comment and subscribe if you can, that would be absolutely wonderful.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're what I'm going to talk about, don't you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>The Prime Minister. Wow, what I show? That was eh yesterday?

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about this guy, Peter Manderson. So Peter Bough

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Benjamin Mandersson born in October fifty three as a

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<v Speaker 2>British former politician, lobbyist and diplomat. They sent the figure

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<v Speaker 2>in the Labor Party. He served as Member of Parliament

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<v Speaker 2>for Horlepool from ninety two to two o four and

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<v Speaker 2>helped senior post under Tony Blair Gordon Brown. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>where the problem is, I think as well, including Secretary

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<v Speaker 2>Safe of Northern Irelands, Secretary for Business and First Sectory

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<v Speaker 2>of State and the British Ambassador to the US in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty five. He's been prominent in the nineteen eighties

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<v Speaker 2>as the Labor director of communications with the Blair New

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<v Speaker 2>Labor ideas, and of course he's currently in trouble for

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<v Speaker 2>lying about his association with the convicted pedophowl Epstein.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>What's really does it for me is the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 2>all the time secure starmer knew about Mandelssinh's involvement with

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<v Speaker 2>Epstein because of a press briefing a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe twenty three, I think it was. So what happened

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<v Speaker 2>then my five, the security services whoever they are, and

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<v Speaker 2>the vetting process to become a minister a Member Parliament etc.

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<v Speaker 2>Didn't find that Manderson and Epstein was connected in any way.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very strange, isn't it. But the Prime Minister and

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<v Speaker 2>it's on the public record that they did know about it, well,

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<v Speaker 2>at least Arma did. But the Veting poscess still appointed

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<v Speaker 2>him in one of the big jobs in Great Britain.

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<v Speaker 2>The Ambassador to the USA wires Starmer's sort of level

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<v Speaker 2>you know digit to ID well. He dropped plans to

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<v Speaker 2>make a new digit ID app compulsory for right to

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<v Speaker 2>work checks. Family Farms Tax late twenty five watered down

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<v Speaker 2>the imposition of inheritance tax on family farms worker rates

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<v Speaker 2>Late twenty five backtracked and plan to introduced day one

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<v Speaker 2>and fair dismissal rates. Benefits Dune twenty five reversed the

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<v Speaker 2>plan to taking eligibility for the disabled benefits system after

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<v Speaker 2>major backlash the winter field payments are twenty five. He

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<v Speaker 2>scaled back that the planned university universally winter fuel payments

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<v Speaker 2>for pensioners. The International Aid in February twenty five reduced

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<v Speaker 2>the development budget despite previous pledges to restore it. Green

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<v Speaker 2>spending February twenty four, a pre election promise dropped the

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<v Speaker 2>flagship twenty eight billion a year green prosperity plan. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and as a Febuy twenty sixth Labor when Peter are

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<v Speaker 2>urging the government to abandon further proposals, including plans to

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<v Speaker 2>be strict protests overhaul jury trials. You know, so there's

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<v Speaker 2>no jury trials in certain offenses and council local elections

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<v Speaker 2>because they're not ready for them. Over twenty local elections

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<v Speaker 2>could be canceled until they sort out the mess. Additionally,

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<v Speaker 2>Scottish Labor Leader and so back tracked on support for

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<v Speaker 2>Peter Manson following new relevations in the Epstein files. Well

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<v Speaker 2>you can make this one up, could you really?

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<v Speaker 3>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to drain your attention. Then everybody else is

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<v Speaker 2>attention to the Nolan principles and there's seven ethical standards

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<v Speaker 2>for public life. Selfishness, selflessness orders. A public office should

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<v Speaker 2>act solely in terms of the public interest, although any

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<v Speaker 2>interest in tecretory. Avoid placing themselves under any obligation to people,

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<v Speaker 2>yeah or organizations that may try inappropriately to influence them

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<v Speaker 2>in their work. Objectability act and take decisions impartially failure

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<v Speaker 2>and unmerit using the best evidence available. Accountability orders a

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<v Speaker 2>public office is accountable to the public for their decisions

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<v Speaker 2>and actions. Yeah, hopenness, it can here, Starmer. You can

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<v Speaker 2>learn to think decisions that should be taken in an

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<v Speaker 2>open and transparent manner, with the information restricted only when necessary.

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<v Speaker 2>Honest honesty. Holders of public office should be truthful and leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>Holders of public office should exhibit these principles in their

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<v Speaker 2>own behavior and actively promote them to others to do

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<v Speaker 2>the same. So I suggest that kissed Armer, Labor government,

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<v Speaker 2>the Conservative government, they all need to eat a bit

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<v Speaker 2>of the known principles. I think, what do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Let me know, like, share, comment and subscribe. I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to play an ITV clip this morning where a minister

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<v Speaker 2>was being grilled over this Starmer issue, the Mandelssohn Epstein issue,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was quite a good interfood from Susannah Reid

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<v Speaker 2>and the gentleman with a yeah, have a look and

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<v Speaker 2>let me know what you think. But yeah, the sooner

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<v Speaker 2>they start, these politicians stop lying and the quicker Starma resigns,

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<v Speaker 2>the better for all of us. What do we have next? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>what do you think? Lima comment? Should it be before UK?

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<v Speaker 2>Should it be Robert Lowe's political party? Should it be

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<v Speaker 2>Britain first You let me know. But either way, one

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<v Speaker 2>big question when they get into power, which party might

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<v Speaker 2>let us down? Out of them three more? Or should

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<v Speaker 2>we just stick to our traditional labor conservative demon Greens.

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<v Speaker 2>Let me know. Anyway, you will take care and thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for listening.

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<v Speaker 4>It's probably the biggest political scandal of his country in

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<v Speaker 4>living memory, and secure Starmer is fighting for his political

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<v Speaker 4>future after he admitted that he knew about Mandalson's friendship

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<v Speaker 4>with Epstein when he picked him for the job, but

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<v Speaker 4>claimed that he lied repeatedly about the true extent of

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<v Speaker 4>that relationship.

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<v Speaker 5>This morning, the Housing Secretary Steve Reid, said that giving

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<v Speaker 5>Mandelsshon the role was a rational appointment. Steve Reed joins us, now,

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<v Speaker 5>very good morning to you. Either the Prime Minister was

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<v Speaker 5>totally naive and believed a liar about the extent of

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<v Speaker 5>his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, which was a matter of

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<v Speaker 5>public record. We've just spoken to one of the journalists

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<v Speaker 5>who reported on it. Or he didn't care about Jeffrey

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<v Speaker 5>Epstein's victims and the survivors and thought it was worth

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<v Speaker 5>the risk to appoint Lord Mandlsson. Why are you shaking

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<v Speaker 5>your head, mister Reid, because.

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<v Speaker 6>Neither of those two things you've just said other truth. Unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 6>if people had known when Mandelsson was appointed what was

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<v Speaker 6>really going on, he never would have been given He

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<v Speaker 6>never would have been given that job. The victims, above

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<v Speaker 6>all else, the victims of Epstein's crimes, have to be

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<v Speaker 6>and should be at the front of all of our.

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<v Speaker 4>Mandelson did, I'm sorry, but they did know.

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<v Speaker 6>They didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>It was reported in them I'm so sorry times they didn't,

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<v Speaker 4>and that information was also give to the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 4>at a press conference that Mandalsson had spent four had

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<v Speaker 4>spent nights at Epstein's mansion in New York. Now, you

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<v Speaker 4>don't spend time in someone's private house unless you're pretty close.

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<v Speaker 5>To them while they were serving their sentence, while Epstein

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<v Speaker 5>was in prison, So of course you knew, and.

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<v Speaker 6>There are documents that will be released to explain exactly

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<v Speaker 6>what Mandalson said about that. But what Mandelson did was

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<v Speaker 6>he lied and pretended his relationship with Epstein had finished,

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<v Speaker 6>and that even when the relationship had been ongoing, it

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<v Speaker 6>was next to nothing. He barely knew him, they had

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<v Speaker 6>very little contact. That is what Mandelson said. The vetting

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<v Speaker 6>process didn't show up anything that contradicted that, and so

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<v Speaker 6>the appointment was made. Deceiving and manipulating.

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<v Speaker 5>Are looking at photographs of Lord Mandelsson with Jeffrey Epstein.

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<v Speaker 5>We know he spent time slept at his house. We

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<v Speaker 5>know about his connection.

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<v Speaker 6>Photographs that came out after he had been appointed. None

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<v Speaker 6>of this was known.

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<v Speaker 2>At the time.

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<v Speaker 6>As soon as the Prime Minister found out months ago

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<v Speaker 6>that Mandelson had deceived him, was manipulative in the answers

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<v Speaker 6>that he gave to the questions during the vetting process.

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<v Speaker 6>As soon as the Prime Minister found out about it,

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<v Speaker 6>he sacked Mandelson on the spot. Mandlsson was woken up

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<v Speaker 6>at five am and told he was sacked as the

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<v Speaker 6>UK's ambassador to the United States because the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 6>took decisive action the moment he found out that Peter

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<v Speaker 6>Mandelson had lied to him. Yes, this wasn't just yesterday,

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<v Speaker 6>This was months ago when the Prime Minister found out

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<v Speaker 6>what had really been going on.

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<v Speaker 4>And it wasn't just the Prime Minister in possession of

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<v Speaker 4>that additional information, it was also in the public domains.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, he had to sack and he had to

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<v Speaker 4>act because we all knew what had been going on.

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<v Speaker 4>The key question that many people are asking this morning

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<v Speaker 4>is this, setting aside Mandleson's undoubted lies during the vetting process,

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't enough already known about his relationship with Epstein to

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<v Speaker 4>comprehensively disbar him from such an important job.

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<v Speaker 6>It's easy, isn't it, with hindsight when you do know

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<v Speaker 6>the truth to look back at a time when that

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<v Speaker 6>was hindsight and Mason was appointed to this based on

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<v Speaker 6>what you're asking, No, you're not actually letting me answer.

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<v Speaker 4>No, But because you've missed asking my question, sir, The

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<v Speaker 4>question was this.

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<v Speaker 6>If I haven't even answered it, how do you know

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<v Speaker 6>I've misinterela.

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<v Speaker 4>Because of your opening statement you talked about hindsight. What

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<v Speaker 4>I was saying was that the information that was in

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<v Speaker 4>possession of the government and of the Prime Minister, setting

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<v Speaker 4>aside Mandleson's lies during the vetting process, wasn't that information

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<v Speaker 4>sufficient to disbar him from being No, it's important.

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<v Speaker 5>No.

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<v Speaker 6>I know you're saying that because you've got the benefit

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<v Speaker 6>of hindsight, But at the time, No, it wasn't. There

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<v Speaker 6>was a process that was gone through Mandelsson lied. The

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<v Speaker 6>process includes the security forces nothing additional was thrown up

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<v Speaker 6>at the time to make make it clear that Mandelson

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<v Speaker 6>was lying, and so he was appointed. Everyone regrets that now,

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<v Speaker 6>of course, But as soon as the truth came to

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<v Speaker 6>light with that first release of files from the United

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<v Speaker 6>States months ago, the Prime Minister took immediate and decisive action.

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<v Speaker 6>He phoned him up at five am in the morning

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<v Speaker 6>and sacked him on the spot as the UK's ambassador

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<v Speaker 6>to the United States. Now further information has come to

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<v Speaker 6>light over recent days and the Prime Minister has taken

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<v Speaker 6>further action to spoken to the King to remove Peter

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<v Speaker 6>Mandelsson from the Privy Council and has announced that we

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<v Speaker 6>are going to change the law to strip him of

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<v Speaker 6>his title of a lord. Every time a new information

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<v Speaker 6>has come to light, the Prime Minister has acted, but

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<v Speaker 6>he regrets. We all regret that Mandelson was ever appointed,

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<v Speaker 6>but that happened because the vetting process did not demonstrate

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<v Speaker 6>what was really going on.

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<v Speaker 5>I am really confused by what you're saying. I know

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<v Speaker 5>you're confused by our questions, but I am confused about

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<v Speaker 5>what you're telling us. Because the Financial Times had reported

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<v Speaker 5>in twenty twenty three about the relationship between Lord Mandelsshon

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<v Speaker 5>and Jeffrey Epstein, and that reporter told Sekir Starmer that

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<v Speaker 5>at a press conference in twenty twenty four. But you're

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<v Speaker 5>saying it was new information, It wasn't.

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<v Speaker 6>It was in the public saying. What I'm saying, Susannah

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<v Speaker 6>is the vetting process. Peter Mandelsson lied and said that

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<v Speaker 6>his relationship with Epstein had ended long ago and had

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<v Speaker 6>been next to nothing. In any case, the vetting process

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<v Speaker 6>did not show that that was a lie, and so

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<v Speaker 6>Mandelson was appointed.

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<v Speaker 5>Now that vetting very sorry.

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<v Speaker 6>Clearly need to look at that.

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<v Speaker 5>So despite the fact it was reported, it was put

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<v Speaker 5>to Kitts Darma it was a matter of public record.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not true, okay.

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<v Speaker 5>So instead of instead of that all being a matter

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<v Speaker 5>of public record, the vetting process was simply to ask

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<v Speaker 5>Lord Mandelsson if it was true and rely on Lord

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<v Speaker 5>mandals said saying it wasn't true.

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<v Speaker 6>No, it wasn't that. Well, that's right what it was.

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<v Speaker 5>So how else did you know this story was Well,

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<v Speaker 5>I just I just said, didn't I did you hear

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<v Speaker 5>me say?

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<v Speaker 6>I said the security forces were involved in vetting as well,

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<v Speaker 6>and that threw up nothing of additional concern. You've repeated

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<v Speaker 6>people had known at the time, But you've repeated people

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<v Speaker 6>known at the time, he wouldn't have been appointed. All

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<v Speaker 6>of these documents will be published about you don't have

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<v Speaker 6>successes like you're doing.

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<v Speaker 5>Now Security services and the vetting process.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, it shows that the vetting process wasn't good enough,

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<v Speaker 6>and that's one of the things we need to look at.

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<v Speaker 6>But it is a long established vetting process that long

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<v Speaker 6>precedes this government coming into power. But clearly it failed

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<v Speaker 6>on this occasion. Information that should have been made available

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<v Speaker 6>to the Prime Minister that was not, and so he

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<v Speaker 6>took a decision without knowing that Madelson was lying. As

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<v Speaker 6>soon as he found out, he sacked him. Now, we

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<v Speaker 6>can't legislate against liars lying. What you can judge somebody

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<v Speaker 6>by is what do they do when the liar is exposed.

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<v Speaker 6>And Keir Starmer could not have acted quick more, more quickly,

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<v Speaker 6>or more decisively. He phoned him up at five am

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<v Speaker 6>and sacked.

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<v Speaker 4>Him on the sabots. But the fact of the matter,

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<v Speaker 4>and you keep avoiding this point, do you keep invoking hindsights.

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<v Speaker 6>Anything I finished single question?

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<v Speaker 4>Could I finish my question, sir well?

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<v Speaker 6>Or you're making up lies about me avoiding your questions

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<v Speaker 6>and answering everything.

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<v Speaker 4>Making up lies. And I think anybody watching this interview

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<v Speaker 4>will observe that you have used the excuse of hindsights

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<v Speaker 4>to defend the Prime Minister. What I'm putting to you,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'll try it for the third time, is that

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<v Speaker 4>what the Prime Minister was already aware of before the

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<v Speaker 4>vetting process was undergone, the failed vetting process before that,

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<v Speaker 4>so we can't talk about hindsight. He was aware that

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<v Speaker 4>Manson had had a close relationship with a convicted pedophile.

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<v Speaker 4>For he knew that. That wasn't hindsight. He knew that,

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<v Speaker 4>and he just.

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<v Speaker 6>True, that is not true.

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<v Speaker 4>That is not true, category true.

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<v Speaker 6>When Mandelssohn went through the vetting process, not everything in

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<v Speaker 6>the papers is God's gospel truth. You know, there was

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<v Speaker 6>a vetting process that was gone through. Mandelsson was asked questions,

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<v Speaker 6>he provided answers that covered it up, and no other

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<v Speaker 6>part of the vetting process exposed what was really going on.

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<v Speaker 4>As soon as.

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<v Speaker 6>We discovered what had really happened, Mandelssoh was sacked. It

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<v Speaker 6>is hindsight. I know you don't like me using the term,

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<v Speaker 6>but we have hindsight, now we see what he was

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<v Speaker 6>up to. We see his deception and lies for what

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<v Speaker 6>they truly were. Everyone regrets that he was ever appointed

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<v Speaker 6>to this job, but had the information we now know,

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<v Speaker 6>had that been available at the time, he would never

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<v Speaker 6>have been appointed, and nor should he have been.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I run the country with the bossy tone, barlem

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<v Speaker 3>who knows best. I prefer the throne. Now it's a

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<v Speaker 3>rule that just suits me. Do as you're told, and

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<v Speaker 3>don't ask me. If you could see how things should

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<v Speaker 3>be when I cancel actions, I pointed, say what you

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<v Speaker 3>must do, what you think is wrong. I think for you,

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<v Speaker 3>funny how your choices disappear when I cancel elections. In

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<v Speaker 3>my profession, I come and love the body