Speaker 1: Welcome back to the tailist of EV podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, welcome back to the tailist of tech podcast.
Speaker 1: Everybody, we definitely didn't do EV first.
Speaker 2: I'm your host today because Mike didn't know we were recording,
Speaker 2: and he's the odd man out.
Speaker 1: Because Drew and I both said we wanted to look
Speaker 1: like Doctor Pepper with our shirts. So that's what we did.
Speaker 3: This man went and got a Doctor Pepper just for
Speaker 3: that terrible joke.
Speaker 4: Just to leader, do you keep him in stock?
Speaker 2: I do for I don't, but I will within the
Speaker 2: next two weeks for no particular reason, just in case.
Speaker 1: I don't know, So Drew, I have to ask from
Speaker 1: the offset. I don't even care how you're doing. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't care Drew neither. I don't care how you're
Speaker 1: doing either. Mike, Drew, are you ready to apologize now?
Speaker 4: For what? What did I do?
Speaker 1: First of all, such a thank you for the shout.
Speaker 2: I couldn't understand why I was getting such a quick
Speaker 2: influx of things.
Speaker 4: I didn't even check. Did something happen?
Speaker 2: Well, I saw a certain concession. If you will, I
Speaker 2: saw certain you'll.
Speaker 5: Have to be more specific. I can see it on
Speaker 5: a lot.
Speaker 2: I I'll be this podcast is being recorded on the
Speaker 2: thing that people like the most, the Pixel tablet.
Speaker 1: Only half of what you said was accurate, Mike the Pixel.
Speaker 1: Now go ahead.
Speaker 2: We don't know that our audience deserves to hear it
Speaker 2: here and now tell them in deep form what happened
Speaker 2: and why.
Speaker 5: I still don't know if you're talking about me being
Speaker 5: wrong about the.
Speaker 1: iPad or yes, that's that's the only thing.
Speaker 5: That we're about, Team Pixel. Okay, Oh, we will.
Speaker 1: Talk about Pixel afterwards.
Speaker 2: I do have I'm just gonna show the follow ups
Speaker 2: for everything you did this week, but starting with.
Speaker 5: I'm on trial today, I think.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're where are you?
Speaker 1: Where were you on February thirtieth.
Speaker 5: Here's say, well, basically, it's just okay, my opinion on
Speaker 5: the iPad. Uh No, that wouldn't be accurate either. Okay,
Speaker 5: how do I phrase this?
Speaker 3: You're wrong?
Speaker 5: The iPad still does not make sense for my use case.
Speaker 2: So it.
Speaker 4: Because it doesn't work for me.
Speaker 5: I incorrectly criticized it and acted like this doesn't work
Speaker 5: for anybody. And I was going off of dated data
Speaker 5: that Apple provided us from twenty twenty and twenty twenty one.
Speaker 5: Back in the events where they used to say that
Speaker 5: the budget iPad was the most popular. So I pushed
Speaker 5: a narrative that I believed that I should have researched
Speaker 5: more thoroughly that the budget iPad was the majority of
Speaker 5: iPad sales without doing my research discovering that actually, in
Speaker 5: the last couple of years, the iPad pro has been
Speaker 5: out selling even the budget iPad. So I guess what
Speaker 5: I learned is people don't care about the same things
Speaker 5: I care about.
Speaker 4: And I'm out of touch.
Speaker 2: He's out of touch, he's out of touch, out of time.
Speaker 1: No, the second time he says that, it's he's out
Speaker 1: of touch store, You're out of touch, he's out of time.
Speaker 5: It doesn't make me want an iPad anymore.
Speaker 2: But it's okay, Drew, I accept your apology.
Speaker 1: Put the camera back on us real quick.
Speaker 4: Mike, I don't think you're keeping the iPad anyway.
Speaker 3: Don't you have control of the cameras?
Speaker 2: Put the thing okay, that works too in regards in
Speaker 2: regards to the iPad thing you just said. I want
Speaker 2: to show literally, maybe forty five seconds before you sent
Speaker 2: the link to start our podcast today, somebody showed up
Speaker 2: at my door and it was.
Speaker 3: Ups why'd you show off your address?
Speaker 1: No, the address isn't there. That's where it's been to
Speaker 1: and it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: By the time this is live, the proxy return but
Speaker 2: ups showed up to get the to pick up the iPad.
Speaker 4: They do drop off there, that's nice.
Speaker 1: No, they picked up the iPad.
Speaker 4: Somebody had to come to pick it up, so that's
Speaker 4: what I meant.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, that's the first for me. I'm used to
Speaker 2: dropping off at a store. You p a store, but
Speaker 2: somebody came to me. I guess apparently two blocks aways
Speaker 2: too far or something. I don't know, but I I
Speaker 2: asked if I could go to the store, but it
Speaker 2: wasn't even an option when I was returning the iPad.
Speaker 2: I'm going to Since Drew is being honest about his stuff,
Speaker 2: I'm going to be honest about my stuff here as
Speaker 2: much as he's conceding about the iPad.
Speaker 1: I returned the iPad that.
Speaker 2: Made me learn so much, and I'm going to be
Speaker 2: selling my twenty eighteen iPad.
Speaker 5: Are you sure.
Speaker 1: This is not the first time you're hearing it? Is it?
Speaker 1: Or did you know?
Speaker 4: I'm just saying nowadays, what could you for it?
Speaker 1: I could get something I'm not too. It's one of
Speaker 1: the I'm taking a Drew approach.
Speaker 2: It's it's I have a certain number, and I'm not
Speaker 2: in a hurry to sell it, so I'm not gonna rush,
Speaker 2: and when the right person wants it, they'll come what's
Speaker 2: the number?
Speaker 1: Are you in the market?
Speaker 5: No, I'm just I want to know if it's so
Speaker 5: outrageously high that I'm like, oh, he's not selling it.
Speaker 2: No, it's a fair price. It's a fair I don't
Speaker 2: know if I want to say the price, because I
Speaker 2: don't want to. I've learned my lesson about putting Well. Granted,
Speaker 2: this isn't going on Twitter, so I'm not going to
Speaker 2: get the bot thing, but I get if they want.
Speaker 4: To know that YouTube has bots.
Speaker 2: Just to be clear, yeah, well it's not that you'll
Speaker 2: know where to find me. If you're interested in the price,
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you offline. I'll tell you offline. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to say it here.
Speaker 3: From the audience.
Speaker 5: You were like, in full transparency, I'm not gonna tell you.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm not. I'm not telling you what. I'm
Speaker 1: not going to say it right here right now. That's
Speaker 1: not the point.
Speaker 2: The point is I'm selling it. I'm getting I'm downsizing
Speaker 2: my ecosystem. I'm going to become a little bit more
Speaker 2: drew and run off of my uh struggling comfy.
Speaker 1: That is so comfortable. That's where you're going to be
Speaker 1: sleeping good.
Speaker 3: I don't sleep here no anyway. But why are you
Speaker 3: holding an iPad while laying down on a couch like that?
Speaker 1: That's that's how I held the tablet. I actually held it.
Speaker 4: He's holding his iPhone there.
Speaker 5: That's the phone.
Speaker 3: Actually does it weigh less than the iPad? It's at
Speaker 3: least more grabbable as a phone.
Speaker 1: I will say this twenty eighteen iPad.
Speaker 2: Is it weighs less than than that one? But because
Speaker 2: it's so wide, it's so balanced, it's not this heavy hunk.
Speaker 1: Of I don't know what.
Speaker 2: It's not like coding a MacBook, any MacBook, even the
Speaker 2: book Air was more fatiguing in that position where I
Speaker 2: would have it resting on my thighs, where the iPad
Speaker 2: was just right there, and I'm just doodling, you know,
Speaker 2: doing my thing in that particular scenario, I'm playing Clash
Speaker 2: of Clans.
Speaker 3: But this is me holding my quote unquote iPad.
Speaker 2: But this is what I for a long time, and
Speaker 2: you still got your sapphire blue nails.
Speaker 1: I'm convinced he's keeping them. I haven't. They're chipping up.
Speaker 1: I'm hearing, Mike, You're too far away with them, don't care.
Speaker 2: So I am going to be downsizing and for the
Speaker 2: rest of the year, I'm just going to be a
Speaker 2: Mac only kind of operations here until I save up
Speaker 2: enough money where I'm going to get the eleven inch
Speaker 2: iPad M four.
Speaker 5: What Okay, Now I'm even more confused.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I realize that. Go ahead, ask
Speaker 1: your questions.
Speaker 5: What what does the M four iPad pro do that
Speaker 5: you're current iPad pro can't?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no. I didn't think about that one.
Speaker 1: You know what? Add that one to the pros. I
Speaker 1: didn't even know.
Speaker 2: Oh that's great, Thank you, Drew. I told you.
Speaker 1: It's okay. This is mine. Oh he's back.
Speaker 3: That look so he came back like this, because your
Speaker 3: listeners definitely know what looks like.
Speaker 1: Face.
Speaker 2: He was like, anyways, so I'm getting an M four iPad.
Speaker 2: I just what I actually what I'm looking for is
Speaker 2: an eleven inch.
Speaker 1: I want the smaller form factor.
Speaker 2: My time with both of the tablets has taught me
Speaker 2: that I want this. I want a smaller form factor
Speaker 2: that that can still give.
Speaker 1: Me decent screen real estate.
Speaker 2: Now it might change depending on what happens with the
Speaker 2: iPad Mini this year rumored refresh and I.
Speaker 1: Do. But that is the house's iPad.
Speaker 2: Many, that's my son's Frank Sinatra machine.
Speaker 1: That's what that is. That's not mine.
Speaker 3: That's why are you getting an M four iPad? You
Speaker 3: have a Mac. You already did the test.
Speaker 1: You did this last time when I got diabat why
Speaker 1: are you getting?
Speaker 3: And in your own video you said I missed the
Speaker 3: Mac so much.
Speaker 2: Yes, so then if you saw that part, then you
Speaker 2: saw my answer to why I want the eleven inch.
Speaker 3: I have no clue what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Okay, well then I'm just gonna say it.
Speaker 2: I want I found in this whole excursion how much
Speaker 2: I enjoy using an iPad, and even more so.
Speaker 1: I have been using an iPad more than I use
Speaker 1: a Mac. I only do the Mac for this and music.
Speaker 2: This is it, guys, that's it. Now, should be a
Speaker 2: Mac Minnie or a Mac Studio. I'm done with the moves.
Speaker 1: I needed.
Speaker 2: I needed a portable Mac back when I was going
Speaker 2: from San Diego, Virginia, Virginia to Colorado.
Speaker 1: All that made sense. I'm done for the foreseeable future.
Speaker 6: I'm not.
Speaker 1: You can't pay me enough to have to do this again.
Speaker 1: So my before this audience would know if we have
Speaker 1: you know, old school listeners here, they know this. I
Speaker 1: had an iMac since twenty fifteen.
Speaker 2: I like the desktop equivalent for for Mac or like
Speaker 2: the more stationary setup. That that's my thing, and that's
Speaker 2: how I pro. No, well, if it's refresh, we'll talk.
Speaker 2: If it's refreshed, it's refresh meme, it has an m
Speaker 2: chip mic. If it has an m chip, Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna keep going. That doesn't exist, then I know what
Speaker 2: an iMac Pro is what I'm trying to say. But
Speaker 2: if they put an m chip, if they refresh the
Speaker 2: iMac Pro with an m chip, maybe, but if not,
Speaker 2: I should be having going forward after this one.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure a Mac Mini or a Mac Studio.
Speaker 1: I don't really know yet. I like the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, okay, hang on,
Speaker 2: I'm not in the market of getting rid of my
Speaker 2: MacBook Pro.
Speaker 1: Everything's fine with it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna write this one out until it's done, and
Speaker 2: if it's anything like how I treat it, My last.
Speaker 3: Is that when it doesn't get software updates anymore.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's always closed. Why can I answer
Speaker 1: the question? You shut up for a minute. You had
Speaker 1: your time on EV Now I get to talk. Wow.
Speaker 2: I will most likely proceed to upgrade the MacBook Pro
Speaker 2: when I am more.
Speaker 1: Or less capped out of storage. That's when it's time
Speaker 1: to How much.
Speaker 5: Storage do you have on your MacBook Pro? I forget
Speaker 5: four terabytes?
Speaker 3: Where are you at right now?
Speaker 1: Oh? I'm maybe maybe a terrorbyte? Maybe?
Speaker 5: Okay?
Speaker 3: How long have you own the twenty one?
Speaker 1: Since twenty one? I'm not what. I'm not in a hurry.
Speaker 1: It's been three years. I'm not in a hurry. Don't
Speaker 1: don't try to do math like, oh you got.
Speaker 3: You got another decade? You have almost another decade.
Speaker 2: No, that's not how it works, Mike. As as tech evolves,
Speaker 2: file sizes.
Speaker 5: Get bigger, thirty frames a second or stored.
Speaker 3: I don't get the whole Oh I filled up my storage.
Speaker 3: It's done. I can't put anything.
Speaker 1: You can delete things.
Speaker 2: You can listen, Mike, Welcome guys, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 1: Viewers and listeners.
Speaker 2: Mike woke up today and shows violence for both podcasts, and.
Speaker 7: I don't know why I'm trying to say on this
Speaker 7: point right here, but you're not.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, we're not using our ears. We're
Speaker 1: not using our ears.
Speaker 3: Someone's not using their brain.
Speaker 2: In regards listening. I'm not trying to upgrade my Mac.
Speaker 2: My Mac is fine, but when the time comes, I
Speaker 2: will most likely get a stationary.
Speaker 1: Mac whenever that may be.
Speaker 2: What I am trying to upgrade eventually responsibly will.
Speaker 1: Be my iPad. Because what I've learned throughout this whole.
Speaker 2: Thing is my twenty eighteen iPad is just two dang slow.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that was possible with promotion, but
Speaker 1: I've touched that thing and it was so laggy. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: I was blinded by how old my iPad is.
Speaker 3: I want to do that again.
Speaker 1: Because I want a newer iPad. I still use my
Speaker 1: iPad the.
Speaker 3: Most, but you got rid of both of them.
Speaker 2: No, I have my iPad right now. My twenty eighteen
Speaker 2: iPad I have, but I'm going to get rid of
Speaker 2: it so I can downsize to a more portable device.
Speaker 5: Said, go ahead yourself, you said yourself that the m
Speaker 5: one iPad pro that's what you had that you just returned, right,
Speaker 5: m one iPad pro felt noticeably snappier and more respons
Speaker 5: because it's newer. Yes, so why get the M four
Speaker 5: Why not get a refurbished eleven inch.
Speaker 2: I'm so the thing is the part that nobody's letting
Speaker 2: me get to the end of is I don't plan
Speaker 2: on buying another iPad until sometime next year. So depending
Speaker 2: because I'm gonna save up, I'm going to pay like
Speaker 2: unlike anything else where I'll throw on a credit card
Speaker 2: and then pay it off afterwards at the.
Speaker 1: End of the statement.
Speaker 2: And then and that's going to be thousands where the
Speaker 2: case maybe I'm going to save up where it's just
Speaker 2: going to be another saving bucket of cash, like I
Speaker 2: have vacation funds, play funds, and now I have a
Speaker 2: dedicated iPad funds And every month I'm throwing like maybe
Speaker 2: fifty bucks or twenty bucks into that thing.
Speaker 1: And when it fills up by the time I have
Speaker 1: at least I don't know.
Speaker 2: Six hundred dollars or so, I will look, I will
Speaker 2: assess the landscape and I will be like, okay, was
Speaker 2: the iPad Mini refreshed, maybe because I'm I think I'm waiting.
Speaker 1: For the iPad Mini to see what's gonna happen with.
Speaker 4: That first, And Okay, I'll let you finish.
Speaker 2: When the time is done. I would have already saved
Speaker 2: up enough money that you're the case that Mike is.
Speaker 1: Gonna say, that's still spending money. That's my play money.
Speaker 2: I've already put the bills, the savings, the investments, the debt,
Speaker 2: the oh that's gonna be taken care of.
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna have some money in my pocket for
Speaker 1: fun and.
Speaker 3: For something else.
Speaker 7: So much like what an iPhone, because God knows you're.
Speaker 1: Gonna buy one anyways. Yeah, you don't want to get
Speaker 1: an iPhone. You don't want me to get an iPhone.
Speaker 1: You don't want me to get an iPad. But you
Speaker 1: want me to buy a polestar. Get that out of
Speaker 1: my place.
Speaker 3: I never told you to buy a polestar.
Speaker 2: No, I can't buy an id buzz, I can't buy
Speaker 2: a cyber truck.
Speaker 1: I can't buy an iPhone. I can't buy an iPad.
Speaker 3: If you save up enough with this whole theoretical, I
Speaker 3: put it into the plane.
Speaker 2: I'll do whatever I very.
Speaker 3: The controller of your own money. You can buy whatever
Speaker 3: you want. I just don't understand why you want to
Speaker 3: buy another iPad when you've already been through two of them,
Speaker 3: maybe more, and you found that the other one aged
Speaker 3: and is not so responsive anymore, and the one that
Speaker 3: you had for a good amount of time to review
Speaker 3: you didn't think was worth keeping.
Speaker 2: It's because it's too big. I don't like how big
Speaker 2: it is. I'm having the same aggravations I had with
Speaker 2: the thirteen pro macs that long period of use. I
Speaker 2: want something as small and comfortable as possible.
Speaker 8: And maybe, just maybe there's gonna be something really cool
Speaker 8: about another iPad Mini this October, because then it would
Speaker 8: have been three years since they refreshed that thing, and
Speaker 8: I'm secretly holding out for that thing.
Speaker 3: Why not just use the Mini that you have right now.
Speaker 1: Because it's the house is mini.
Speaker 2: The stuff that I want to do on the iPad
Speaker 2: is going to be not allocated for baby stuff, bluey stuff,
Speaker 2: or FaceTime stuff.
Speaker 1: This is an iPad. It's gonna be strictly pencil.
Speaker 2: Procreate or it's called I don't yeah, it's called prokateing
Speaker 2: on the iPad, pocket on iPhone. It's gonna be my
Speaker 2: creative device and my consumption device, and hopefully willingly it's
Speaker 2: an iPad that has a later chip, so I can
Speaker 2: not worry about this lagging behind with like limited software
Speaker 2: features that we're getting. I don't want to be software
Speaker 2: locked anymore. I don't want to have an old thing
Speaker 2: that has not a good battery.
Speaker 1: The m one iPad that I was using had a
Speaker 1: high love.
Speaker 2: I forgot to record that part that had a high
Speaker 2: Which one the one that's lagging, the one that's slow?
Speaker 3: Sage won't care?
Speaker 1: Are you gonna launch? Are you talking about my thirteen
Speaker 1: inch yeah? Uh oh no, no, no, because he's not
Speaker 1: even two yet. He's not gonna get an iPhone. He's
Speaker 1: still a hand lead iPad. Many that's no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: You don't understand when I say he has the iPad,
Speaker 2: it's on a shelf, playing music for him while he's sleeping.
Speaker 1: It's a sound machine.
Speaker 3: So why doesn't Why don't you just do that with
Speaker 3: the one that you have right now?
Speaker 1: Because I'm selling it. Because I'm selling it, I don't
Speaker 1: need two iPads. I'm gonna get rid of this one.
Speaker 3: You're gonna have two iPads regardless, So I rather have
Speaker 3: one that's now more up to date.
Speaker 1: Mine, my iPad.
Speaker 3: Is more up to date.
Speaker 1: It was never mind, that was Britney's. That was her iPads.
Speaker 2: No, No, there's only one Apple. I d signed into
Speaker 2: that thing, and it's hers. It's not mine.
Speaker 1: I don't get messages. She doesn't because she yes, because
Speaker 1: she uses it more. She it's it's the house's iPad.
Speaker 1: It's the it's the way that we all iPad.
Speaker 3: No, she doesn't care, so she doesn't care. So that
Speaker 3: means she'd be fine with a bigger iPad.
Speaker 2: No, she doesn't care about spending more money. It's ready
Speaker 2: paid for.
Speaker 1: It's done.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's my point.
Speaker 1: No, you're just fighting, just a fight. No, I'm not.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to save you money here, I don't.
Speaker 2: The whole point of saving money is having a little
Speaker 2: bit of playfun. I don't tell you where you can
Speaker 2: go and use your supercharge and stuff, whether it was
Speaker 2: free or not.
Speaker 1: Go live your life. I have a play bucket.
Speaker 2: Then I'm slowly dripping some cash into it for an
Speaker 2: inevitable upgrade, and I can fill up that bucket quicker
Speaker 2: when I sell the iPad with the magic keyboard.
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna keep the pencil, though I don't know yet.
Speaker 2: Maybe not if I end up No, I keep the
Speaker 2: pencil because the pencil can go to the iPad Mini. Still,
Speaker 2: so I'll at least get rid of the iPad and
Speaker 2: the magic keyboard, and that she.
Speaker 1: Get me at least a couple hundred.
Speaker 2: That gonna give me a couple hundred that that's allocated
Speaker 2: being saved up and bills are paid. Savings is already
Speaker 2: being built, and investments are being built. I have two
Speaker 2: different funds for saving. One's investing, one's saving.
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable, Mike, don't worry about my money. I'm fine.
Speaker 2: At the end of the day, I want to have
Speaker 2: a better experience than the moment I boxed up that
Speaker 2: I'm one iPad and I grabbed.
Speaker 1: The twenty eighteen iPad.
Speaker 2: I was like a twelve X chip freaking blows. It
Speaker 2: sucks even with promotion. It feels like it's a sixty
Speaker 2: h refresh rate. This thing is like not fun anymore.
Speaker 1: So I don't like it. The screen is dim, that battery.
Speaker 2: Doesn't last long at all, and I don't want to
Speaker 2: just play a couple of hundred or pay fifty bucks
Speaker 2: to replace the battery.
Speaker 1: Shut up, Mike, I don't watch you. And now I
Speaker 1: want to get a cooler, more.
Speaker 2: Hooked to day iPad that's bright, has four speakers, bleeds
Speaker 2: my ears out, and I to get to play high
Speaker 2: intensity games like Clash of Clans, which is a joke.
Speaker 1: It's not in the tense game at all.
Speaker 3: I'm not telling you how to spend your money, Randy.
Speaker 3: I'm just suggesting there's an alternative that you can exercise
Speaker 3: that gets you what you want today.
Speaker 1: I don't want anything today.
Speaker 2: What I want is to sell the iPad today. I
Speaker 2: will save up up for the whole year. The rest
Speaker 2: of the year, I'm not gonna have an iPad.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna save.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be very diligent about how I am in.
Speaker 3: You're getting a new phone, but okay.
Speaker 1: Maybe I would like to, but I will see it's all. See.
Speaker 1: I don't make promises on stuff I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just know what's frustrating me right now. My iPad
Speaker 2: is slow, my phone is software locked.
Speaker 1: Both those things piss me off.
Speaker 3: You're gonna get software locked every single year.
Speaker 2: No, this is the first time a ten month old
Speaker 2: device gets software locked. It's not something that happens every
Speaker 2: time I was rocking a thirteen Mini since twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: I'm fine with holding onto something without it having the
Speaker 2: greatest camera sensor or what cinematic mode, even though I
Speaker 2: was on the thirteen or pro res.
Speaker 1: I don't care about that stuff.
Speaker 2: But just so obnoxiously lock you out of how you
Speaker 2: can interact with the system for something, for a company
Speaker 2: that does that, because I'm too I'm in too deep.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to Pixel, I'm not going to Samsung.
Speaker 2: I'm the last true standing Apple sheep. I'm such an
Speaker 2: Apple sheet. My SIM card has never touched an Android
Speaker 2: or mysimb or whatever. I have always had my blue
Speaker 2: Bubble Baby. I got my V card.
Speaker 3: You know you could get another phone and not put
Speaker 3: your SIM card in it.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't, because that's just ridiculous. That's insanity.
Speaker 3: That's what I've done. I'm pretty sure every single phone
Speaker 3: that I've owned.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what you're saying.
Speaker 2: You're just trying to be honestly, Mike, You're just trying
Speaker 2: to be a contrariant to stir the pop more and
Speaker 2: it's working.
Speaker 1: No I can say I like how blue it is.
Speaker 2: It's actually a little bit green today, and you're just
Speaker 2: gonna find a way drill at that too.
Speaker 3: If that's what your I see, then that's what your
Speaker 3: I see when everything is red hard to see the
Speaker 3: red flags.
Speaker 2: But uh, I appreciate your concern, but I'm not getting
Speaker 2: a light phone.
Speaker 1: I'm not getting an Android. I'm sticking with the iPhone.
Speaker 1: I already know that because it's not about me, it's
Speaker 1: about the family. The ecosystem is.
Speaker 2: Just it's just a vibe, which is why Drew's not
Speaker 2: gonna get an Android, because his chain of command's not
Speaker 2: going to prove that. You're not gonna do it. Not
Speaker 2: gonna happen, never gonna happen. You'll review it, but you'll
Speaker 2: never have it for up to twelve months. Not I'm
Speaker 2: calling it right now. So changing the subject, what happened with.
Speaker 1: Team Pixel Drew?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, he says, I chose violence.
Speaker 5: It's a whirlwind of policy changes. I was actually just reading.
Speaker 5: Apparently they removed the part of the Team Pixel agreement
Speaker 5: that I had a problem with.
Speaker 2: Oh, they Disney plused you about like wait, wait, wait, arbitration,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys heard about.
Speaker 5: That, Yeah, that was the brand love section. Quite a
Speaker 5: creepy headline. But yeah, as soon as they decided to
Speaker 5: make pixels a pixel, Team Pixel a sponsorship program rather
Speaker 5: than a review program, I was like, eh, but yeah,
Speaker 5: their latest their latest wording confuses me even more. Now
Speaker 5: they're saying the goal of Team Pixels to get Pixel
Speaker 5: devices into the hands of content creators, not press and
Speaker 5: tech reviewers.
Speaker 1: How weird, So me.
Speaker 3: Give me phone please? Hey, Hey, here's something topical. Here's
Speaker 3: all my phones that I've owned. Notice how I've only
Speaker 3: had a pixel for three years. I feel like there's
Speaker 3: a little bit more time that I could offer Team Pixel,
Speaker 3: even though I've spent a lot of time. And as
Speaker 3: you can tell, Samsung, and.
Speaker 1: You're ready to contaminate at Mike.
Speaker 3: We're talking contaminate.
Speaker 1: Wow, Oiled Goods?
Speaker 3: Is that Texist? Are you mean Texest? Right now?
Speaker 2: If anybody should have some type of open partnership, it's
Speaker 2: this guy right here. I'm a rider Die, I'm a
Speaker 2: I'm a hoil Low. If you catch my drift, I.
Speaker 3: Will remind me what he say about five to seven
Speaker 3: minutes ago about uh.
Speaker 1: I don't I.
Speaker 3: Phone?
Speaker 2: I don't want to pick. So I'm talking about getting
Speaker 2: on some Apple payroll. Baby, I'll show that stuff out.
Speaker 1: I don't care.
Speaker 2: I know that, I know that's not how they operate,
Speaker 2: but I'm gonna sell out and I and I would
Speaker 2: support anyway.
Speaker 1: It's what I use.
Speaker 2: I put my money where my mouth is, and I
Speaker 2: want to put my money where my money is.
Speaker 5: No, yeah, it's it's like I said before, Switching ecosystems
Speaker 5: can be a pain in the butt. And it's why
Speaker 5: unless you're a tech reviewer or a content creator, I
Speaker 5: guess those are a different thing.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait ready, influentouscer.
Speaker 5: It doesn't make a lot of sense to switch ecosystems
Speaker 5: unless there's some very very noticeable advantage.
Speaker 4: But I still want to give it a fair shot.
Speaker 5: I don't want to do it when it's brand new,
Speaker 5: because I mean, I should follow my own advice and
Speaker 5: acknowledge that pixels depreciate like crazy, so you can get
Speaker 5: one for a lot, lot cheaper if you just wait
Speaker 5: a little bit longer.
Speaker 4: And there was no chance.
Speaker 5: That I was going to be able to capitalize on
Speaker 5: the early launch day pixel hype anyway, because everybody got
Speaker 5: their early review unit. So what's the point in me
Speaker 5: trying to, you know, hop on that bandwagon when clearly
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna win. So I would rather have a
Speaker 5: longer form, longer term review process so that I can
Speaker 5: figure out what exactly am I missing, because I keep
Speaker 5: seeing some incredible reviews and incredible things people are saying
Speaker 5: about the pixel, and I'm far more curious about it
Speaker 5: than I've ever been before.
Speaker 2: Drew, can I talk to you as a friend, nor.
Speaker 3: Let's talk as an enemy?
Speaker 4: Go ahead, then you're my enemy?
Speaker 1: Okay, wait until after I funk ke up?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, for sure, definitely.
Speaker 1: That's that's all I'm asking.
Speaker 2: Do what you gotta do for for injecting some some
Speaker 2: interesting topics into your channel.
Speaker 1: I respect the hustle I and I like the idea.
Speaker 2: If you're not going to take my approach of doing
Speaker 2: one of each simultaneously, do what you gotta do. After
Speaker 2: iPhone season, let let let the season of twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four drops finish out. And because we're not gonna do
Speaker 2: you're not gonna do Samsung, so we're not worry about
Speaker 2: January February.
Speaker 1: That doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: So just wait until iPhone comes out and just see
Speaker 2: if since I said in the last podcast, I'll say
Speaker 2: it here, just just see if there's a reality and
Speaker 2: sourcing fill that still happens on the iPhone side, because
Speaker 2: you're right now you're like, I.
Speaker 1: Use Google services. I use Google, but.
Speaker 2: There's so much more to it, and just we got
Speaker 2: the coolest latest and as of today, the greatest smartphone
Speaker 2: right now, But what's what's less than thirty days? Let's
Speaker 2: just see and then maybe if you're like, no, you
Speaker 2: know what, I actually want to try out?
Speaker 5: What this?
Speaker 1: You know, one more thing hit and feature something for
Speaker 1: iPhone sixteen Pro or whatever the case may be. Maybe
Speaker 1: if that catches your ride more.
Speaker 2: I just don't want you to be keep on switching
Speaker 2: your phone's like this in a quick period if it's
Speaker 2: gonna give you a type of like smartphone whiplash, and
Speaker 2: you're like, if you're gonna do it for the long run,
Speaker 2: make sure you're you're committed.
Speaker 1: To it after you see the iPhone. If you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna.
Speaker 9: Do pixel, cool, do pixel, but don't have the fomo
Speaker 9: with iPhone because you're gonna see me my phone go
Speaker 9: like this, I'm gonna I'm gonna lick it I'm gonna have.
Speaker 1: So much phone with that thing, and I just don't
Speaker 1: want to give you Pomo.
Speaker 5: No, that was never that. You know, iPhone season is
Speaker 5: like the Christmas of it is Channel. There's no way
Speaker 5: we were skipping Christmas. We're not going all yeah, so
Speaker 5: with the cranks over here. So first of all, there
Speaker 5: was never any hope of picking up the Pixels or
Speaker 5: reviewing the Pixels on launch day because I was actually
Speaker 5: looking as the website went live on what the ship
Speaker 5: dates were, and I was not going to be available,
Speaker 5: like oh I can't I can't get it dead. And
Speaker 5: we've got trips coming up, We've got things going on.
Speaker 5: So it's like, no, I was going to have to
Speaker 5: wait regardless. Whereas the iPhone season, of course, I'll be free.
Speaker 5: iPhone seasons a lot easier to predict. It's always the
Speaker 5: second week of September. It's very predictable, and you go
Speaker 5: to the Apple store, you see the employees dress up
Speaker 5: and everything. You know, it's a holiday for the tech community.
Speaker 5: So even if I switched to Pixel permanently, that's fun
Speaker 5: to say. I will not stop covering iPhones. I will
Speaker 5: still go to the iPhone launches. I'll still review the iPhones.
Speaker 5: It could be a whole tennis match switching back and forth.
Speaker 5: I could switch to the pixel and then the iPhone
Speaker 5: could come out and be way better, and then.
Speaker 4: I could Oh, I want to go back to iOS.
Speaker 5: Now. Who knows is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: You're cheating on my ecosystem. I feel like there's a
Speaker 1: law in there.
Speaker 4: What ecosystem?
Speaker 1: Your ecosystem?
Speaker 4: Three Apple products here?
Speaker 1: And how many Google products do you have? Not services products?
Speaker 2: Don't use the speaker, don't I don't use the speaker
Speaker 2: because you're not including your minis, your HomePods, so you're
Speaker 2: not including that.
Speaker 1: Don't use this.
Speaker 5: I have one home pod and three Google speaker.
Speaker 1: Well you didn't include in your count up.
Speaker 5: So uh, I have a Pixel stand on my desk.
Speaker 1: I'll give it to you.
Speaker 2: Fine, it's an accessory. It was one of the three divide.
Speaker 2: No you got more than three, because are you counting
Speaker 2: your AirPods? I was AirPods, iMac Pro, MacBook phone.
Speaker 5: I don't have the iMac Pro here.
Speaker 1: It's not it's not it's not mm hmm.
Speaker 3: There's not for room on that desk.
Speaker 4: No, this desk is maxed out right now.
Speaker 1: But you're beta testing.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm, not recently. No, I haven't turned on the
Speaker 5: iMac prone over a month. I don't really consider that. Like,
Speaker 5: what do you call it?
Speaker 1: Point is you don't have Google products, so.
Speaker 5: You're cheating on change it can at.
Speaker 2: The cost, at the cost of committing adultery on on iCloud,
Speaker 2: Apple account, whatever they call it.
Speaker 3: I'm not liking the techest stattitude. Randy.
Speaker 5: Well, you know how I feel about iCloud.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know we're not talking about iclond. I
Speaker 1: meant the iCloud account what they used to call iCloud account.
Speaker 5: I have no loyalty there, and I would still have
Speaker 5: a Mac even if I switched to Pixel.
Speaker 1: So, which is why you're never leaving Apple. So just
Speaker 1: don't do it. Just don't even have to it. Stay
Speaker 1: right here. Sorry.
Speaker 5: If you're gonna have to do it, if you're gonna go, worry,
Speaker 5: I'll be fine.
Speaker 4: You'll get You'll get your blue bubble one way or
Speaker 4: the other.
Speaker 1: It's not just a blue bubble, even though it is.
Speaker 2: It's not just that, even though it is, it's that
Speaker 2: I don't know you're gonna.
Speaker 4: Be We don't even text that much, Randy, do we
Speaker 4: it's mostly.
Speaker 1: Are gonna be that's the best part.
Speaker 4: But those aren't blue or green.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're gonna be high quality. Anyways, with r cs, well,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: It just feels icky.
Speaker 3: I think that's something you have to get over, Randy,
Speaker 3: that's a you problem.
Speaker 1: Oh not all black, says the guy who's telling me, Ready,
Speaker 1: you don't spend money. Ready, Yeah, that's a problem. That's
Speaker 1: a you problem getting I'm comfortable in my decision. I'm
Speaker 1: doing just fine over here. You ready don't do it?
Speaker 5: And I quote quote the camera is the primary focus
Speaker 5: for you because of how it helps capture your moments
Speaker 5: with your son, with your family. And you love the
Speaker 5: mini iPhone. But as much as you loved it at launch,
Speaker 5: over time the RAM became an issue. You kept missing
Speaker 5: out on precious moments, precious memories because of how little
Speaker 5: RAM was in the thirteen minute.
Speaker 1: Are you watching my video right now? That's right now?
Speaker 5: I watched it earlier.
Speaker 1: Okay, but this is really fresh info. I feel like
Speaker 1: I just.
Speaker 5: Edited notification squad and yet hashtag guess what phone has
Speaker 5: more RAM than the iPhone? Until September, you think the
Speaker 5: iPhones are gonna have sixteen gigs at ramy.
Speaker 2: If not sixteen, I know it's gonna be more optimized.
Speaker 2: That is the most efficient phone year after year. iPhone
Speaker 2: is the most efficient phone at launch. If we do
Speaker 2: all the launches, iPhone has the most efficiency.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: That's why they don't go stupid on the battery or
Speaker 1: the RAM. It doesn't need it.
Speaker 4: Well, I have something, so you start running out.
Speaker 2: They have time on their side, and their in house
Speaker 2: chip is so much more advanced than Google's or Qua
Speaker 2: Coms or whoever.
Speaker 1: And at the end of the day, I'm just so heartbroken.
Speaker 1: You're not an Apple Step anymore. I'm just He doesn't
Speaker 1: even but like he says it like this is your
Speaker 1: Apple sheep here and I'll see you the next one.
Speaker 1: And he doesn't mean it doesn't He doesn't made.
Speaker 3: A whole video about this, saying that it's just a thing.
Speaker 3: He says that he's nothing near what he was.
Speaker 1: I need to start and start making content so now
Speaker 1: I can quote your stuff. Drew's quoting me. You're quoting Drew.
Speaker 3: I want to content. Am I gonna make?
Speaker 1: I don't know you have.
Speaker 3: I'm making it right now. Actually, I'm making an as
Speaker 3: a thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Do some mark exciting.
Speaker 4: I could make some great videos.
Speaker 1: I believe you can.
Speaker 3: I can make some great videos. I just don't have
Speaker 3: the time.
Speaker 1: Broh.
Speaker 4: It takes way less time than the podcast.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, But which one's more entertaining? Randy yelling at
Speaker 3: me over tech choices in your check choices or making
Speaker 3: a pot slash bowl slash cup.
Speaker 1: Do a livestream I hang out there, I'll be in
Speaker 1: and out.
Speaker 4: I think you should rant about tech as you're making.
Speaker 2: Floppy, be the antithesis of the Randy Nexes. Talk about
Speaker 2: how tech is an art as you're making art.
Speaker 3: Tech is not art.
Speaker 1: Oh we're about to throw down. Oh man, I'm not
Speaker 1: more entertaining. I'm telling you right now, I have never
Speaker 1: wanted I've never wanted to put my hands on another
Speaker 1: adult so bad.
Speaker 3: I'm so happy by them all the way over here saying.
Speaker 1: I'm a C two coast Salamanca.
Speaker 5: You what that means?
Speaker 1: I know, that's what's so great about it? Tight?
Speaker 4: Tight, Okay, have so much energy? Can we talk about
Speaker 4: iPhones then? If that makes you feel better?
Speaker 3: Have we not been talking about iPhones?
Speaker 2: Wait?
Speaker 5: Wait, before.
Speaker 2: Before we do, before we do, hang on, we have
Speaker 2: to run soles close off each section because I had
Speaker 2: to follow up to something drip question for you, is
Speaker 2: there a scenario where you could have both phones because
Speaker 2: one would still act as your primary work device and
Speaker 2: the other one can be your b roll, showcasing or
Speaker 2: whatever the case. Would it not make more sense on
Speaker 2: an operations stance to have one of each phone? Regardless
Speaker 2: of how you choose to do your SIM that doesn't matter,
Speaker 2: but having both would give you so much more flexibility
Speaker 2: on topic coverages, side by side, comparisons, better b roll
Speaker 2: different even maybe in a sense like different angles.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna have one that's your primary and you
Speaker 1: can't showcase that one. If you want to talk about
Speaker 1: the iPhone, you set up the pixel and then you
Speaker 1: could be like, this is why blah blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah, bay and whatever.
Speaker 2: The case may be, for the sixteen pro that you
Speaker 2: will inevitably get because that thing is gonna.
Speaker 1: Be hot, hot, hot hot.
Speaker 2: Don't know why, but something's gonna be cool, Like just
Speaker 2: the sheer thought that you know you're going to review
Speaker 2: the phone because of the new capture button. Wouldn't, at
Speaker 2: least in my opinion, better suit you to have a
Speaker 2: pixel phone, or maybe you know for a time being
Speaker 2: your fifteen pro, but you want to get a pixel
Speaker 2: and then you can actually like demo, do side by
Speaker 2: side things of like here's why this is working better
Speaker 2: and here's what sucks about why the phone iPhone's not
Speaker 2: working as smooth even though the pixel is being treated
Speaker 2: like an SD card reader and I can offload data
Speaker 2: and video and all that so much quicker.
Speaker 1: Or when you're doing those interviews when you.
Speaker 2: Want to meet fancy CEOs and you have the ladies
Speaker 2: and greatest right there in the little product placement, Google
Speaker 2: be like, hey, he's repping our phone while he's interviewing somebody.
Speaker 1: He's putting that in a positive light. And thus now
Speaker 1: you have a cycle happening of good PR coverage like sir,
Speaker 1: what do you think about the poll star boom?
Speaker 7: And then you have a little Google logo right there,
Speaker 7: and then it's like, I've used these smartphones and that's
Speaker 7: a fun challenge just for the sake of calling it
Speaker 7: a challenge, of saying.
Speaker 2: I can do all of this and do really professional
Speaker 2: stuff and meet high important professional people and have it
Speaker 2: all done and documented, captured audio, video, whatever, on these
Speaker 2: devices and then you have a cool, longer term side
Speaker 2: by side of like this is why I see value
Speaker 2: in this one over at this one, or vice versa,
Speaker 2: whatever that case may be. Is there not a scenario
Speaker 2: where you can just have both and be happy as.
Speaker 1: A content creator and as a person. No, okay, all right,
Speaker 1: we can talk about iPhones now.
Speaker 5: No, No, there's a scenario. I was just it was
Speaker 5: such a long question. I was like, wouldn't it be great?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what you're doing.
Speaker 5: There is a scenario, but I've tried it before. There's
Speaker 5: been times when I've had an Androide and I've had
Speaker 5: an iPhone at the same time, and I just feel
Speaker 5: like one of them always gets left behind, one of
Speaker 5: them is neglected, and then it feels like a waste.
Speaker 5: It feels like, Wow, I spend a bunch of money
Speaker 5: for that thing just to sit there.
Speaker 1: Can you take your MacBook with you to work when
Speaker 1: you go down?
Speaker 4: Occasionally? It depends on how long I'm going to be there.
Speaker 2: It'd be easier to have both your devices, not your MacBook,
Speaker 2: and it'd be easier than to.
Speaker 1: Multitask work what.
Speaker 5: Like, I don't understand why you want an iPad.
Speaker 1: Well, the first thought, it's done. Shoot, I have more
Speaker 1: than two, but I'm trying to come together.
Speaker 5: You could just have.
Speaker 1: Well, I will never this.
Speaker 2: This will be boxed up and put into a frame
Speaker 2: like the I like the five s this, this will
Speaker 2: never leave my collection.
Speaker 1: I love this phone way too much.
Speaker 3: When he holds up the iPhone that he has in
Speaker 3: his hand.
Speaker 1: The Mini.
Speaker 2: The only thing I regret is not getting a product
Speaker 2: red thirteen Mini, just just for collection's sake. But that
Speaker 2: talk you love the green, I do, but that red
Speaker 2: objectively before because this came out mid mid cycle for
Speaker 2: the thirteen series.
Speaker 1: This was not one of the launch editions.
Speaker 2: Uh, the product red was my favorite overall color for
Speaker 2: the Mini, so size the thirteen Mini product red, in
Speaker 2: my opinion, if we're just going off of like promo
Speaker 2: and everything, that was the best phone aesthetic. That's peak
Speaker 2: iPhone right there. The green and forest green or alpine
Speaker 2: green or whatever they call it, Like this was a
Speaker 2: randy phone when I saw this, like youink, I kept
Speaker 2: this thing. I'm going to keep it forever. This is
Speaker 2: going to be a part of my collection, So I
Speaker 2: don't count this as a smartphone. As time goes on,
Speaker 2: it becomes less and less a smartphone and more of
Speaker 2: a collectible, and I'm okay with that. But I will
Speaker 2: sell my thirteen pro macs in lieu of saving up
Speaker 2: cash for the next iPhone. Everything I'm doing about iPad
Speaker 2: and iPhone is strategic.
Speaker 1: When I have the money saved, I'm not just blindly
Speaker 1: buying things anymore. One can't really afford it like that.
Speaker 1: Two it's not good.
Speaker 2: It's not good financial practices of doing things. And three,
Speaker 2: I don't feel comfortable having that many overlaps of things
Speaker 2: just kind of hanging around. So selling the thirteen pro Max,
Speaker 2: selling the iPad Pro, and maybe if I end up
Speaker 2: actually upgrading selling the fifteen, I would have one iPhone,
Speaker 2: and eventually.
Speaker 1: At some point next year I'll have an iPad.
Speaker 2: I want an iPad because I like having the Apple
Speaker 2: pencil utility, I like the touchscreen experience, and I like
Speaker 2: having the the optimized apps over dot com.
Speaker 1: Sometimes that's my favorite thing with iPad, using using the
Speaker 1: dedicated YouTube app instead of what I'm doing right now,
Speaker 1: which is you know, saved to the doc as a
Speaker 1: dot com.
Speaker 4: No, I prefer the apps too.
Speaker 5: I just think the iPhone gets the job done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the thing is, I don't use my iPhone
Speaker 2: like that. I use my iPhone when I'm out and
Speaker 2: about out of the house. When I'm in the house,
Speaker 2: the attentions on the iPad unless I'm doing this stuff
Speaker 2: right here.
Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough, Okay, let's talk about iPhones. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't see you, Mike, we're talking about iPhones.
Speaker 5: I wanted to ask from the reviewer's perspective, because of
Speaker 5: course we have to review the new iPhones. That's just
Speaker 5: what we do here. Oh should I review the injury
Speaker 5: level model or the Pro or both?
Speaker 2: If there's something, if there's something so advanced on the
Speaker 2: camera system with the Pro, you should get your hands
Speaker 2: on on at least the Pro. Honestly, I don't think
Speaker 2: there's going to be something that revolutionary with it. Even
Speaker 2: with the capture button.
Speaker 5: I have a hard time figuring out what about the
Speaker 5: capture button it's going to be so amazing.
Speaker 1: We had a hard time figuring about Vision Pro. Then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we're like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: gotta get my hands on this thing.
Speaker 4: That's true, there surprises.
Speaker 1: I think I think getting a base model sixteen would
Speaker 1: be more impressive because now it's I really like the
Speaker 1: blue one. It reminds me of ten R blue. It does.
Speaker 5: It's a little darker, but yeah, I feel like it
Speaker 5: would match with my channel perfectly, which is a stupid
Speaker 5: reason to buy it.
Speaker 2: But dude, I was just talking about why I got
Speaker 2: the green one out of red out of principle, like
Speaker 2: it's fine.
Speaker 5: Or getting the brown one.
Speaker 1: That's not brown. This is brown.
Speaker 4: God of the brown one.
Speaker 3: It's brown.
Speaker 5: Look at that.
Speaker 1: This is why you need your own channel.
Speaker 3: It's brown.
Speaker 1: Like this, what color is that? Tell me? Is it gold?
Speaker 1: It ain't gold because it's bronze.
Speaker 3: That ain't bronze.
Speaker 1: That ain't the official color either.
Speaker 4: This is like the epitome of designer versus engineers.
Speaker 3: This is not black and blue with the white and
Speaker 3: gold dress over again.
Speaker 1: This is obviously bro Yanny or Laurel Brown.
Speaker 5: I never trust the leak colors because most of the
Speaker 5: time they're wrong and in person at all looks way different. You.
Speaker 1: You should get a base model sixteen if if all
Speaker 1: the rumors are more or less tdroue about the entry
Speaker 1: models being the more advanced, don't do this. This is
Speaker 1: this is sad brown. I don't That's not the official color.
Speaker 3: Mic, we don't know what the official colors are.
Speaker 1: We just can be So then what are you on about?
Speaker 3: Looking at with my eyes that color right there in
Speaker 3: that photo? It's brown.
Speaker 5: Here?
Speaker 3: Don't people also call it brown? Isn't that what the
Speaker 3: whole leak is? It's a brown iPhone?
Speaker 1: I thought natural titanium one.
Speaker 3: Okay, Drew's showing up blue one.
Speaker 1: That is so cool looking. Now imagine that as an
Speaker 1: iPhone se four?
Speaker 3: No, that looks like a five seed.
Speaker 5: That would be missing, look like a five C. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it's kind of five sea blue, isn't it? Which?
Speaker 3: I love its lineup of iPhones in my opinion, the
Speaker 3: five series that was great.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it, Mike, I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 5: This will probably be the last iPhone with sixty herts
Speaker 5: not counting to I.
Speaker 1: Really wish I care?
Speaker 2: Is it true? Listen, Drew, you do more deep dive
Speaker 2: analysis than I do. I get the I get the
Speaker 2: same article as you do, but I don't go further
Speaker 2: after that.
Speaker 1: Is it true? iPhone seventeen? We're not even talking about
Speaker 1: sixteen now, Is it true? Seventeen?
Speaker 2: It's gonna be like the biggest like mind blow since
Speaker 2: whatever new new form factor, new refresh rate. Evidently, something
Speaker 2: that has to.
Speaker 5: Do with one hundred twenty hurts is rumored to come
Speaker 5: to the non pros next year.
Speaker 1: That's so stupid crazy, that's so ridiculous.
Speaker 5: I still think Apple will find a way to screw
Speaker 5: it up.
Speaker 4: Here's my prediction.
Speaker 5: I think that the LTPO because the feature is technically
Speaker 5: called pro motion, so people are like, they can't put
Speaker 5: a pro feature on the non pros. That would be weird,
Speaker 5: Like the same way that the REGULARS fifteen has everything
Speaker 5: it needs to record in pro res but they choose
Speaker 5: to not let it that kind of thing. I was like,
Speaker 5: why don't they put the LTPO panels on the regular
Speaker 5: seventeen so that it still has always on display, Like
Speaker 5: it can go down to one hurts, but then it
Speaker 5: only goes to one hundred and twenty if you're in
Speaker 5: game mode.
Speaker 1: Whoa, Oh that that is so realistic. I'm getting upset.
Speaker 5: That is this is when we get a bunch of
Speaker 5: listeners that say, dru stop giving the idea.
Speaker 2: That makes me so mad because that's so that's such
Speaker 2: an because that sounds.
Speaker 5: Such like an Apple thing, doesn't You're like, oh, well
Speaker 5: you know, just the normal moving around the home screen.
Speaker 5: You don't need one twenty for that, but it can
Speaker 5: go up to one twenty when you're playing a game
Speaker 5: where that gives you a competitive advantage.
Speaker 2: Jaws comes out that cocky smirking like we did something done,
Speaker 2: and he starts.
Speaker 1: Just pitching the seventeen like he just reinvented the wheel,
Speaker 1: and it just oh, that's so true. That's that could
Speaker 1: be such a thing.
Speaker 5: Man, they do it? What do you think? Like, would
Speaker 5: they do it? Are they that petty?
Speaker 3: You know, tech news is a bit dry these days,
Speaker 3: I know, so he's.
Speaker 5: Doing a good job faking it for a minute, therapy.
Speaker 3: How do you generate a lot more interest in your product?
Speaker 3: How do you sell someone this pencil?
Speaker 4: Hey at the word pro to the end.
Speaker 1: That's Oh, that happened, that happened, That actually happens.
Speaker 3: History just keeps repeating itself.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 5: I am happy to say though that both of you
Speaker 5: inspired me.
Speaker 3: Inspired. Did you get an inspired calculator?
Speaker 5: Because I'll just reveal it this way. My MacBook is
Speaker 5: closed right now?
Speaker 3: Are you staring into the ether? Did you get another MacBook?
Speaker 3: Are you using an iPad?
Speaker 1: Nope?
Speaker 3: So then I would think after all that, you probably.
Speaker 5: You know what.
Speaker 1: I know what it is.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised you have asked me about I know exactly what.
Speaker 3: I know what it is.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I noticed it. Wait did you do
Speaker 1: this for Eve or did you switch it out?
Speaker 3: Why didn't none of you?
Speaker 5: Why did none of you comment on the fact that
Speaker 5: my webcam and mike sounds so different?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I immediately you switched it out for me. V
Speaker 1: didn't you?
Speaker 4: Mm hmm No, it was the same money V.
Speaker 1: I did comment about the mic. I said, you sounded funny.
Speaker 2: Because he said he's the zoom mic because he's using
Speaker 2: his dang his black magic camera.
Speaker 4: No, nope, but I appreciate the compliment.
Speaker 3: You're close. You're close, Randy, you appreciate I only know
Speaker 3: this because I've got insider information, and by inside information,
Speaker 3: it's more. We had a discussion when.
Speaker 4: He but you thought you thought this was a black
Speaker 4: Magic worthy camera.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: So you do have a pixel?
Speaker 4: No, no pixel?
Speaker 3: How was he again this call right now? How is
Speaker 3: he doing this whole thing with his laptop?
Speaker 5: What's my setup? All I'll say is the MacBook display
Speaker 5: has been closed the entire day.
Speaker 3: You got this Randy, Okay, I believe.
Speaker 1: That means well, if it's closed, that means you're using
Speaker 1: an external monitor. Wait. I saw an external monitor in
Speaker 1: one of your videos this week.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, and I did think about it in the
Speaker 2: moment I saw an external monitor on EV.
Speaker 1: I was watching one of your videos on EV.
Speaker 2: Actually, I watch all your videos on EV, but there's
Speaker 2: one where I looked at the monitor and I was like,
Speaker 2: the bezels.
Speaker 1: I remember, my first thought was the bezels. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was the first thing was the bezel. But that doesn't
Speaker 1: explain the camera. Is this?
Speaker 4: Who wrong one? How the heck do I use this thing?
Speaker 5: Oh? That's how wam s? Wait?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: I like, how is is? Oh that's an ultra wide.
Speaker 5: No, you're okay?
Speaker 3: More flattering?
Speaker 1: Nope?
Speaker 5: How do I get more?
Speaker 4: It is curved, That's what I meant.
Speaker 5: Like, it's a three by one right, No, it's sixteen by.
Speaker 3: Nine the perfect aspect ratio.
Speaker 5: By the way, that's right. I think that I might
Speaker 5: throw you off a little bit. But yeah, that's that's
Speaker 5: my new tech update for the panel.
Speaker 1: Will the camera you're using the monitor?
Speaker 4: Nope, it's the iPhone.
Speaker 3: Oh, it is the iPhone up on this thing. Probably
Speaker 3: the two thumb tacks.
Speaker 5: Wait, okay, you can see my phone mount right there.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Drew, can we give you with like
Speaker 1: a max safe successory that clips?
Speaker 5: I don't think it would work as well, if I'm
Speaker 5: being honest.
Speaker 2: I watched I saw your monitor in ev because that's
Speaker 2: the only time I ever get to see your desk
Speaker 2: lay out, and a part of me goes like, oh,
Speaker 2: he's had a monitor.
Speaker 5: True, I haven't had a monitor for over a year.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because you've been You've been rocking the the sixtynich
Speaker 6: and I'm like, well, he's also been holding out for
Speaker 6: prices to go down for the XDR or studio displays, and.
Speaker 4: They have not.
Speaker 5: They did not go down. Boy. Of all Apple products,
Speaker 5: they have held their value extremely well in my opinion.
Speaker 1: How much is the studio display right now?
Speaker 4: I have a hard time seeing them go under a thousand.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I paid eleven for this one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's They're still very sought after. And I realized
Speaker 5: that I don't care that much about their advantages. I
Speaker 5: mainly just wanted the high refresh rate and I'm mostly
Speaker 5: editing h GVC iPhone footage, So I was like why
Speaker 5: am I trying to prioritize getting some mini l the
Speaker 5: crap so.
Speaker 1: So so that that display that a monitor is one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty hertz.
Speaker 5: Higher.
Speaker 1: Oh, you're right, it's one forty four. They do one
Speaker 1: forty four.
Speaker 5: It can go higher, but my MacBook Max is out
Speaker 5: at one hundred and forty four.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 4: It's a company that has been emailing.
Speaker 5: Me for years.
Speaker 4: Yes, they wore me down.
Speaker 5: Uh. I kept declining them for a long long time,
Speaker 5: but they did send the monitor.
Speaker 1: Conversations go deep here because I remember these conversations.
Speaker 5: It's from Oh yeah, I talked to you about this
Speaker 5: month ago. It's from a company called Titan Army. Yes,
Speaker 5: which they are not paying me. They're not, you know,
Speaker 5: asking me to say certain things about it. There was
Speaker 5: no contracts, so they said, you can say whatever you want,
Speaker 5: be as harsh as you want, be as honest as
Speaker 5: you want, but we'd really like you to try out
Speaker 5: this monitor. No, I've been talking about external monitors for
Speaker 5: a long time and they were like, please review this one,
Speaker 5: please review this But I was like, I don't. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna wait. I'm gonna wait for the pro display to
Speaker 5: get refreshed. For the studio to play, and I finally
Speaker 5: just realized I'm sick of waiting. I don't think this
Speaker 5: dream monitor I want is coming anyway. So and I
Speaker 5: missed editing on a big screen. Oh it's so nice.
Speaker 5: What's these so much user?
Speaker 1: Inch of that?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: A twenty one inch twenty seven forty four.
Speaker 4: M forty two two thirty one and a half thirty
Speaker 4: one and a half.
Speaker 3: Kind of found it.
Speaker 5: It's pretty big.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to nope, that's two forty hertz.
Speaker 5: Dude. This one goes too, so when you scroll you
Speaker 5: have the smooth motion mm hmmm, which his final cut
Speaker 5: is quite handy. Even in the members stream, people were
Speaker 5: saying that it looks like I'm editing noticeably faster. So
Speaker 5: I do think I've discovered an objective advantage to high
Speaker 5: refresh rate on the Mac. It's not for gaming, but
Speaker 5: at least with my style. Let me see if that's
Speaker 5: the right one. Yeah, that looks like it. But uh,
Speaker 5: don't order it yet if anybody's curious, because when the
Speaker 5: real video goes live, I will have a discount code
Speaker 5: for everybody. I don't get. I don't get an affiliate.
Speaker 5: I'm not getting paid for you guys to order this,
Speaker 5: so literally no one can order it. That's fine, but
Speaker 5: they gave me a discount code. I just don't have
Speaker 5: it right in front of me. But if anybody is
Speaker 5: thinking about ordering this thing, then I'll give you a
Speaker 5: coupon code and it'll bring the price down.
Speaker 1: To display ports to HDMI Jack, Yeah, those are two.
Speaker 1: Those are two display Why do you need to.
Speaker 4: If you want to get multiple things?
Speaker 3: Like that's weird?
Speaker 2: My LG, my old ultra wide curved LG that I
Speaker 2: had had at least two of each as well.
Speaker 5: But I think what really tipped me over the edge
Speaker 5: was Mike though, because he just recently bought a new
Speaker 5: external monitor and he was showing it to me last
Speaker 5: Friday or Saturday whenever we were down there, and it
Speaker 5: honestly like, looked fine, it looked great. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 5: you can read everything and eat on there. It's functional,
Speaker 5: and it costs like a couple hundred bucks, And I
Speaker 5: was like, why am I building out this huge feature
Speaker 5: that makes editing a lot easier?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and can speed up my productivity process.
Speaker 5: I can watch so much more at the same time,
Speaker 5: especially when I'm doing the members only streams. It's so
Speaker 5: much nicer to have room for the chat, like, instead
Speaker 5: of trying to cram all of these windows onto my
Speaker 5: little sixteen inch display. Like, why am I fussing around
Speaker 5: all this holding out for some hypothetical two thousand dollars
Speaker 5: Apple monitor that's probably going to have a lower refresh
Speaker 5: rate than the one I'm using right now, just because
Speaker 5: it'll be K or six K instead of this one,
Speaker 5: which is fourteen forty P, which is fine. My eyesight's
Speaker 5: getting bad. I can't I can't honestly tell the difference anyway.
Speaker 1: Welcome to old age, my friend.
Speaker 5: My apologies to ben Q, who was also trying to
Speaker 5: get me to review one of their monitors.
Speaker 3: Next time.
Speaker 4: I was like, I said no, I just told him
Speaker 4: I want to hire a refresh rate.
Speaker 5: And they kept saying, oh, this one's built for the Mac.
Speaker 5: It's really good for Mac and it has the thunderbolts
Speaker 5: and all that. I was like, what's the refresh rate
Speaker 5: and they're like sixty.
Speaker 10: I said, you said, no deal, no deal, I need that.
Speaker 10: He looked at how I'm budget minded.
Speaker 5: You know, if I was purely just motivated by cost,
Speaker 5: the ben Q one costs more so I could have
Speaker 5: technically reviewed that one and just been like, Okay, I
Speaker 5: got a more expensive monitor.
Speaker 2: That doesn't mean anything if you care about that, Like
Speaker 2: that's that's so funny because I'm like, I care more
Speaker 2: about the pixels and you care more about the refrash rate,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's the perfect monitor for you.
Speaker 5: I mean, most of the footage I'm editing is going
Speaker 5: to be in a little window. I'm not watching things
Speaker 5: in full screen because it's a work station, you know.
Speaker 4: I'm editing here, so I've got.
Speaker 5: YouTube and picturing picture up here, and I've got Twitter
Speaker 5: over here, and I've got my final cut timeline here.
Speaker 1: So four K.
Speaker 5: It's it's really just slightly richer text. It's not like
Speaker 5: a night or day kind of difference.
Speaker 3: Because it slight up and down this spine.
Speaker 4: No, I don't think so.
Speaker 3: I've been waiting trying to figure out what this red
Speaker 3: thing is.
Speaker 5: Whether I doesn't have that. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 4: Okay, Oh I think it's No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: It does tilt yours does tilt, yeah, but just doesn't
Speaker 3: go up and down.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 4: No, I the truth was I did think about that.
Speaker 5: I was I was interested in height adjustable, but I
Speaker 5: quickly realized that with my current desk, I'm not going
Speaker 5: to be able to fit a MacBook underneath the display
Speaker 5: anyway because there's just not enough table space.
Speaker 3: So I know, we're just suggusting it to what height
Speaker 3: you want at a given time. I like having it
Speaker 3: tilted a certain way and pushed down or pulled up
Speaker 3: a certain amount throughout the day because.
Speaker 1: I use my desk for that since it's automated.
Speaker 5: See, the funny thing is for me, like I couldn't
Speaker 5: raise the monitor any higher because of the where my
Speaker 5: where I put my phone where is it would get
Speaker 5: covered up. Like this is already way higher. Like the
Speaker 5: webcam you guys are seeing me on right now for
Speaker 5: the podcast.
Speaker 4: This is not the main lens. This is the ultra
Speaker 4: wide lens.
Speaker 2: You're just cropping in because if you did the if
Speaker 2: you did the main lens, you'd be too pinched in.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, oh oh.
Speaker 5: Definitely.
Speaker 1: So you have that center stage.
Speaker 5: Thing going on center stage.
Speaker 4: If I turn it off, this is how much I'm cropped.
Speaker 5: I look at them chrome picture built in Actually that
Speaker 5: lets it zoom in, which is kind of cool. Dang,
Speaker 5: But yeah, this is my first time doing the podcast
Speaker 5: with it, and oh it's been so nice. But one
Speaker 5: downside of this affordable monitor is it doesn't have integrated speakers,
Speaker 5: so I have had to bring out the old U
Speaker 5: E Mega Boom, which has been in storage for like
Speaker 5: eight years, but it still works.
Speaker 2: I I hear you on the whole resolution thing, because
Speaker 2: going back to that ten EIGHTP video that I did,
Speaker 2: I've been waiting for somebody to comment. I mean, no
Speaker 2: one's really commented on it, but I did an immediate
Speaker 2: side by side to show what it looked like when
Speaker 2: I export at four K what I export at.
Speaker 1: Ten eighty, and it looks virtually the same I did.
Speaker 2: I do see me personally, if I'm being honest, I
Speaker 2: see a slight clarity bump. It reminds me what you
Speaker 2: did with the iPhone thirteen pro Max that you had
Speaker 2: where you filmed you did a video in pro res
Speaker 2: and you said it looked like you added a slight
Speaker 2: sharpening filter.
Speaker 1: And that was the only difference. And for a reason
Speaker 1: that that stays with me.
Speaker 2: It lives free in my head, that that verbiage, because
Speaker 2: then when I do the four K, that's what it
Speaker 2: looks like to me, I just see a slight.
Speaker 1: Little bump, and especially if I'm filming not on an iPhone,
Speaker 1: the that lens is so big.
Speaker 2: Everything is naturally softer than that artificial crispiness that we get,
Speaker 2: which I think it works good for something like this,
Speaker 2: because this stuff is filmed at.
Speaker 1: Seven twenty for stream yard.
Speaker 2: So I'll take any clarity that we can get out
Speaker 2: of it. But at the end of the day, the
Speaker 2: resolution doesn't really matter anymore. However, with that, the reason
Speaker 2: why I care about resolution over refresh rate is clarity
Speaker 2: of the text when I have when I actually proportion
Speaker 2: the desktop to fit all these different windows, sometimes simultaneously.
Speaker 1: I like having clarity on a smaller scale because my
Speaker 1: vision is trash. I wear glasses and sometimes like.
Speaker 5: Oh I don't have them, but I'm I gotta get
Speaker 5: them soon.
Speaker 1: Oh man, you're my little old Drew. He's aging. But
Speaker 1: so it's nice to have it.
Speaker 2: But also to be fair, the monitor is like, you know,
Speaker 2: it's right there. I can, I can bring the monitor
Speaker 2: in closer, and sometimes I do, so it's not that
Speaker 2: big of a deal. I think, I know, knowing that
Speaker 2: what we've talked about with refresh rates, I'm glad you
Speaker 2: got this monitor. I think this is the perfect Drew
Speaker 2: monitor for you, whether you paid for it or not.
Speaker 2: The fact that that's it has the thing that you're
Speaker 2: looking for the most.
Speaker 1: Minus.
Speaker 2: Okay, there's some setbacks, no speakers, no USBC, but you
Speaker 2: you have your little pixel stand right there to charge
Speaker 2: your phone, so it's okay.
Speaker 1: Do you keep your phone plugged in?
Speaker 5: When?
Speaker 1: When when it's docked right there.
Speaker 5: Yep, it's been plugged in the whole time. This is cool, sure,
Speaker 5: because I wanted it to work for extended periods. But
Speaker 5: it's not plugged into the computer. Yeah, it's just plugged
Speaker 5: into a wall outlet. There were some little problems I discovered,
Speaker 5: like I'm pretty sure I'm maxing out the wattages on
Speaker 5: my search protector, because every time I switched around the
Speaker 5: USBC cables on my shared power brick, the monitor would
Speaker 5: shut off and come back on, and I was like.
Speaker 4: Okay, I got to move some things around.
Speaker 5: The speaker works most of the time, but sometimes there's
Speaker 5: this buget It's probably a bug with the speaker, not
Speaker 5: the monitor, but sometimes when I switch applications, it drops
Speaker 5: the audio even though it says it's connected and everything.
Speaker 2: So when you up your AirPods this year to the
Speaker 2: new AirPods Pro, everything will be fine.
Speaker 1: You'll be okay by that.
Speaker 2: Because you're gonna You're not gonna fine, yes, but there's
Speaker 2: gonna be better than fine.
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna have something that you can hear, heavan,
Speaker 1: you can put it.
Speaker 4: I won't hear it with YouTube music, right. It's not lossless, no.
Speaker 1: But if you turn the volume up really loud, it's
Speaker 1: almost hard to tell. People talk louder when they want
Speaker 1: to sound smart, right, correct.
Speaker 5: I did see, however, that YouTube Premium which I have,
Speaker 5: is gonna build in a feature so that you can
Speaker 5: skip the sponsored segment of it.
Speaker 1: I already have it. Wait, you don't have it yet.
Speaker 5: No, it hasn't rolled out to me yet. Oh.
Speaker 1: I've been using it for like the last two weeks.
Speaker 2: It is so cool because it picks the bottom and
Speaker 2: he goes what the moment they go Today's spot when
Speaker 2: they when the.
Speaker 1: Person says sponsor, boom, it just shows up.
Speaker 2: I click it and it always ends at the right
Speaker 2: spot where goes and thank you for Bubba for sponsoring
Speaker 2: this video.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes.
Speaker 2: The only time it doesn't come up is if there's
Speaker 2: already uh title cards in the description and they have
Speaker 2: it sectioned off as sponsored, then you just.
Speaker 1: It won't come up.
Speaker 2: However, my workaround that I found you really haven't had
Speaker 2: this feature. You haven't been using this feature.
Speaker 4: No, I thought it was just announced like today.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been using it for two weeks.
Speaker 2: Hi, I'm ready Vasquez and I've had this feature for
Speaker 2: two weeks now. It starts to double tap on the
Speaker 2: right side of.
Speaker 1: Your screen to forward.
Speaker 2: You just do it once and the and the skip
Speaker 2: the jump section comes up, so you go and it
Speaker 2: shows up. Then you just click on it and it
Speaker 2: moves you to the end of the sponsored read wherever
Speaker 2: it is. I think the only time I haven't been
Speaker 2: able to get that a show up is at the
Speaker 2: end of the video. But mid rolls or uh you know,
Speaker 2: beginning roll ads, it gives you that feature.
Speaker 1: Just the moment you start double tapping and to fast forward,
Speaker 1: it just showed up.
Speaker 2: And okay, since we're it's all the same story, I
Speaker 2: could not do it on the iPad. iPad doesn't give
Speaker 2: me community posts and it doesn't give me the latest
Speaker 2: premium features, And I.
Speaker 5: Was like, ah see, that's why I use my phone.
Speaker 5: That's that's what I discovered. Everything I used my iPad
Speaker 5: for I could do on my phone and more.
Speaker 1: But you don't have a sexy signature like I do,
Speaker 1: so you need.
Speaker 5: The Apple even with a real pencil my signes.
Speaker 1: The Apple Intelligence will fix that for you though, and
Speaker 1: then it corrects it. Yeah. YouTube, I think YouTube. I
Speaker 1: saw you tweet this today and it's true. YouTube. Premium
Speaker 1: is still probably the best subscription.
Speaker 4: Period and now it can be like truly ad free.
Speaker 1: Well, dude, I think there's a video out there, if
Speaker 1: not on your dedicated one of our podcasts where you've
Speaker 1: made this request.
Speaker 5: You you don't think there is.
Speaker 1: I think there is.
Speaker 2: You said the reason why you don't like sponsored because
Speaker 2: it's like you pay for premium and you're still getting
Speaker 2: an AD, and it felt like a completely.
Speaker 1: It it uh neutralized the whole point of why having
Speaker 1: premium in the.
Speaker 2: First place, to not get ads, and as before downloads
Speaker 2: and all this other stuff came out and YouTube music,
Speaker 2: like the main thing for premium was to have no ads.
Speaker 1: And then people were doing sponsors, you know, these sponsored reads,
Speaker 1: and you're like, it defeats the purpose, and you were
Speaker 1: a game frustrated, and you're like, YouTube premium should allow
Speaker 1: you to bypass that. He says something to that effect.
Speaker 1: I remember you saying that, like, YouTube premium should have
Speaker 1: no none of that. The whole point of is that
Speaker 1: you don't get that.
Speaker 5: I think I mentioned it when I was saying that
Speaker 5: that's why I don't do sponsorships. I don't think I
Speaker 5: was saying it is a that's why YouTube should integrate
Speaker 5: that so that we can skip them, because I've always
Speaker 5: been like that gets messy because then the YouTuber's sponsorships
Speaker 5: don't get as many clicks. But what I think is
Speaker 5: a decent compromise is the fact that not everybody has
Speaker 5: YouTube Premium, so they're letting you skip the sponsored segment.
Speaker 5: But it's you know, eighty ninety percent of YouTube viewers
Speaker 5: aren't going to get that option.
Speaker 2: It's better than going to Nebula and paying for subscriptions
Speaker 2: so you don't get ads or whatever, or.
Speaker 3: You just don't pay any.
Speaker 5: Ads everywhere.
Speaker 3: Nice teeth, thanks, they're not blue like my nails, not yet,
Speaker 3: but to me, blue slurpy.
Speaker 5: Boy, the whole not doing sponsorship things is it's getting
Speaker 5: more expensive. I'll even admit I was tempted by some
Speaker 5: of these. It was I came close and I was like, Drew,
Speaker 5: don't forget who you are. And I was like, shut up,
Speaker 5: you peschime, morals, you ethics.
Speaker 1: You either die a hero or you live long enough
Speaker 1: to become the bad guy.
Speaker 4: I think I'm gonna die. Then I think that's what's happening.
Speaker 1: Well, that's inevitable, that in taxes.
Speaker 5: But well, I mean the channel.
Speaker 1: Oh geez, no, no, your chance is not going to die.
Speaker 5: Well, no adoptions are die sponsorless or live with sponsors.
Speaker 1: The option is I don't think. I think it's impossible
Speaker 1: unless something happens to Google. I think it's impossible for
Speaker 1: your channel to die.
Speaker 2: There will always be some work, some business models, some
Speaker 2: workflow revenue thing.
Speaker 4: There will always be Halami and Martin Hill.
Speaker 3: And that one very generous guy that uh.
Speaker 4: Chris Snartan will always be there.
Speaker 1: Jeez, that was impressive. I saw that in a lifetime
Speaker 1: and I was waiting to watch you respond. I was
Speaker 1: counting the delay and you were like yeah, and so
Speaker 1: that's why I think the pixel is gonna be He
Speaker 1: just punched in, like what.
Speaker 2: I can't even talk about stuff now and pretend that
Speaker 2: didn't happen, especially because.
Speaker 5: The jeez Like, to me, it almost feels like the
Speaker 5: brands know that I don't want to do sponsor content,
Speaker 5: and they're trying harder. Now It's like it doesn't you
Speaker 5: can't say no anymore because that just proves to them
Speaker 5: that there's activity.
Speaker 4: They're like, Oh, he's reading these good let's send more.
Speaker 3: You'll be tempted eventually, do you feel But but Drew,
Speaker 3: here's a.
Speaker 1: Moral dilemma and ethical question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can.
Speaker 2: Can't you compromise without compromising your morals? And what I
Speaker 2: mean is, what if there's a brand you really like
Speaker 2: and it didn't matter if they paid you or not.
Speaker 2: You knew, You're like, this is the thing in this case,
Speaker 2: pixel or something. I don't know, But that's that doesn't
Speaker 2: count because you're reviewing it. So like, what if what
Speaker 2: if YouTube was paying you to promote premium?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they should.
Speaker 1: It's like I believe in this.
Speaker 2: What if they said, listen, we need help getting the
Speaker 2: word out there for YouTube music and we want more
Speaker 2: creators to talk about it.
Speaker 1: And so they do some type of business and you
Speaker 1: use YouTube music.
Speaker 2: That doesn't conflict with the fact that you're like This
Speaker 2: is why I like premium the most. And even though
Speaker 2: they are paying me, and I'm being upfront about that,
Speaker 2: I was saying this and I will say this until
Speaker 2: something changes.
Speaker 1: I would have done this for free.
Speaker 2: I was a customer for years before before there was
Speaker 2: a relationship there. And don't you think that there's things
Speaker 2: like that out there that maybe you could work with
Speaker 2: that doesn't compromise your morals and you can make a
Speaker 2: better revenue stream, not better, but just have one more
Speaker 2: opportunity of different revenue come through where it's still.
Speaker 1: Ethical because you stand by it.
Speaker 2: If APTERA is trying to get the word out there,
Speaker 2: what better person than Taylor's a EV I know the
Speaker 2: wrong podcast, but that doesn't change the fact that that's
Speaker 2: what you belie even because your vision through EV's is
Speaker 2: in general the most efficient product. You care about efficiency
Speaker 2: above anything else. And in fact, Terris says we're ready
Speaker 2: to start shipping and we need a market anything.
Speaker 1: And R and D is doing this thing, and hey,
Speaker 1: you're our guy. Would you not be like, hey, here's that?
Speaker 1: At what point?
Speaker 2: Like that line blurs a little bit now that you're
Speaker 2: somewhat employed, even if it's ten ninety nine through tell
Speaker 2: o that you will eventually talk about an inevitable product
Speaker 2: that you genuinely stand behind, which is why you chose
Speaker 2: to work with them, that you got to have some
Speaker 2: saying that's not being unethical and selling out your audience
Speaker 2: for some coin if it's a project you're actually involved
Speaker 2: in one, or a project that you're actually passionate about,
Speaker 2: like at Tara and I know we're talking more EV's,
Speaker 2: but I'm sure there's things like that. What if this
Speaker 2: monitor blows your mind and you're like, oh, okay, we
Speaker 2: can work something out, and that doesn't change the fact
Speaker 2: of regardless of what the dollar figure is, that's a
Speaker 2: product you believe in. I don't think that's compromising your
Speaker 2: morals or your ethics at that point if you actually
Speaker 2: believe in it, And if that means you don't take
Speaker 2: as many sponsorships or you have a channel sponsorship where
Speaker 2: it's like it's always a partnership as long as you
Speaker 2: clip this link instead of me reading.
Speaker 1: Some script like the whole d Brand Marquez thing.
Speaker 2: Right, if it's a channel sponsorship, then it's even more
Speaker 2: so the fact that you're not really sticking to a
Speaker 2: script because it is a collaboration it's a collaborative partnership
Speaker 2: at that point.
Speaker 1: I don't feel like, at least.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, you're compromising anything at that point, because
Speaker 2: you were going to do this thing, whatever product we're
Speaker 2: talking about, regardless, or you are working in it regardless.
Speaker 4: I think you would.
Speaker 5: You would know I'm being genuine because we've been friends
Speaker 5: a long time, so you know who I am and
Speaker 5: you understand me pretty well. But the viewers don't have
Speaker 5: that same history, or there could be new viewers that
Speaker 5: are just meeting me for the first time, and their
Speaker 5: recommendation or belief in the honesty of the review would
Speaker 5: be tainted by the fact that, well, if he's disclosing
Speaker 5: that this is a paid sponsorship, can I really trust what.
Speaker 4: He's saying about this? In which case, why listen to me?
Speaker 5: That would be an indication to the viewer like, oh,
Speaker 5: I should go listen to someone else, even though you're right,
Speaker 5: I could be doing it totally wholeheartedly, and I'd be
Speaker 5: recommending this even if they weren't paying me. YadA, YadA.
Speaker 5: I just happened to get paid. I'm also just a
Speaker 5: stubborn jerk.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, but we're talking about products, right.
Speaker 5: I don't want to complicate my taxes more. Okay, all right,
Speaker 5: even if it meant that I made more money, I
Speaker 5: would rather make less if my taxes were simpler.
Speaker 1: MO money, MO problems, they say.
Speaker 5: I've yeah, I've seen that play out myself, and I'm
Speaker 5: not convinced it would be.
Speaker 4: I've been wrestling with this.
Speaker 5: For the past few weeks, honestly because of what some
Speaker 5: of these brands have been trying to do, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: what if we just did a little bit, or what
Speaker 5: if we just did it once in a while, And
Speaker 5: I was like, it all comes back to the belief
Speaker 5: that will more money help the channel, Like will the
Speaker 5: channel become a better resource or a better service to
Speaker 5: people if it had more income? And the more I
Speaker 5: thought about it, the more I realized, I don't think
Speaker 5: it would.
Speaker 4: I think that there's a lot of tech channels, or
Speaker 4: any channel.
Speaker 5: Really. This applies to any YouTube channel that have already
Speaker 5: gone down the path that we've talked about previously, where
Speaker 5: you just buy into the latest and greatest and say
Speaker 5: all the good things about it and just anybody can
Speaker 5: go out and buy something. Basically, that's the easy thing,
Speaker 5: in my opinion, like it's easy to go out and
Speaker 5: just spend a bunch of money and then say there,
Speaker 5: I have content now because I bought stuff. I think
Speaker 5: I appreciate the challenge and I appreciate the struggle of
Speaker 5: trying to figure out, no, wait a second, what's the
Speaker 5: most cost effective And having a unique edge on your
Speaker 5: channel that separates you from other channels, I think is
Speaker 5: important and crucial, and it would be easy to just
Speaker 5: fall into what every other channel is already doing and
Speaker 5: just be like, Okay, I bought all the new iPhones,
Speaker 5: though talk about the new ones. I'm going to use
Speaker 5: the new one and it's hopefully more competitive slash interesting
Speaker 5: for people to watch. Okay, how does Drew or how
Speaker 5: does this guy I'm watching justify the expense a guy
Speaker 5: that's not just talking about the product and the features,
Speaker 5: but also the financial burden of reviewing this and treating
Speaker 5: every dollar like it is hard earned instead of just
Speaker 5: I'm a big YouTube but I can afford it, so
Speaker 5: I should buy whatever. And the more I thought about that,
Speaker 5: the more I realized, Yeah, it would probably be the
Speaker 5: easiest thing to do to just take these brand deals
Speaker 5: and then buy up all the latest and greatest stuff
Speaker 5: and review it. But then you just become another one
Speaker 5: of everybody. You're just one with the crowd. You're just
Speaker 5: adding to the noise.
Speaker 4: And I'd rather try to resist that if at all possible.
Speaker 1: So how much time do you really think you have?
Speaker 1: How long can you go resisting it? That's real question.
Speaker 2: How the devil's on your shoulder?
Speaker 5: Hello helped a lot, I'll say that much. I was like, well,
Speaker 5: now that YouTube is not my only income. In fact,
Speaker 5: it's not even most of my income anymore. It it
Speaker 5: feels like it's back more into a hobby territory, where
Speaker 5: it's like, well.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: I do it for fun, and I do it because
Speaker 5: it's interesting to me, and I enjoy it, and I
Speaker 5: know that there's a lot of audience that has appreciated that,
Speaker 5: not just what I've done with the skits or the
Speaker 5: news or whatever, but also the podcast. I see how
Speaker 5: passionate the audience gets. Whenever we miss a week or
Speaker 5: whenever we take a break that lasts a while, we
Speaker 5: get a lot of when's it coming back? When's it
Speaker 5: coming back? People really like this.
Speaker 1: For you, it might be Hallam. For me, it's Nolan
Speaker 1: Nolan ideas, Hey man, everything all right, you need.
Speaker 5: Where's the podcast when coming back? So I don't want
Speaker 5: to let those people down?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that staying I just feel like
Speaker 4: I'm on such.
Speaker 5: A good streak of no brand deals for this long.
Speaker 5: It feels like a defeat. It feels like giving up
Speaker 5: to actually give into one man, and for what just
Speaker 5: for my own person?
Speaker 4: Like what do I need more more?
Speaker 1: I think I read that I saw this. The question
Speaker 1: was posing away when I was this had to do
Speaker 1: with Ed Snowden. How dangerous a person can be who
Speaker 1: can't be bought and you're in that territory. Two things.
Speaker 2: One you used to say, yeah, but look at Marquez
Speaker 2: Jonathan Morrison. Look at all these people who don't do
Speaker 2: that stuff and they're okay.
Speaker 1: And then Marquez does do it. They do it now.
Speaker 2: And to echo what you just said, that you are
Speaker 2: now you're the rarity. There isn't many people who don't
Speaker 2: do ad reads or take sponsorships, and that's really rare now.
Speaker 2: It was very common in the early twenty tens, not
Speaker 2: common now. Anybody can get a sponsorship. Shoot, looks like
Speaker 2: anybody at one point was able to get into Team Pixel.
Speaker 2: They let the Apples sheep in for God's sakes.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not that hard.
Speaker 5: Everybody.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's one guy besides you, Yeah, besides you.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think if there's one other person, No,
Speaker 2: there's outside of you.
Speaker 1: There's two people.
Speaker 2: But one guy has turned it into a hobby. Funny
Speaker 2: you said that, because even he came out so this
Speaker 2: is now no longer my job and all that. And
Speaker 2: he's an og YouTuber who's been around since like early
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine, and he became one of the
Speaker 2: original like YouTube partners when that became a thing.
Speaker 1: And then he went through stuff and I thought he quit,
Speaker 1: and he didn't quit.
Speaker 2: He just kind of pivot and he doesn't do anything really,
Speaker 2: but he's never taken a sponsorship.
Speaker 1: He's like, and I won't And he said and he
Speaker 1: says it for all the same all the things that
Speaker 1: you've said. He's said. He's like, this is why I
Speaker 1: won't do it.
Speaker 2: My my word, my opinion, my thoughts are mine. They
Speaker 2: belong to me, and no one is going to corrupt that.
Speaker 2: And I don't care what that cost me, because my
Speaker 2: integrity costs me more.
Speaker 1: I have to I have to be in the skin
Speaker 1: at the end.
Speaker 2: The day and so very he's very against being told
Speaker 2: what to do, and he's also kind of rebellious like that.
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't like being told what to do.
Speaker 2: And part of his content strategy in the early years
Speaker 2: was of that of he was very rebellious and people
Speaker 2: like that, and so he grew an audience because he
Speaker 2: was saying things that maybe you shouldn't be saying, but
Speaker 2: there was a hint of truth.
Speaker 1: He had skits that had hints of truth, and his
Speaker 1: things like I'm not going to be told what to do,
Speaker 1: and if YouTube wants to shut me down, let them.
Speaker 2: That's their decision, but it won't be mine. And so
Speaker 2: his whole ethos, his whole identity is of that, is
Speaker 2: like I can't be bought even if he even though
Speaker 2: he says that I can make way more money off
Speaker 2: of this stuff, you won't. And then there's another guy
Speaker 2: who is more like news, but his is more in
Speaker 2: the political sense. He does political commentary, and he's one
Speaker 2: of the only few out of anybody in that sector
Speaker 2: I've seen that who doesn't do sponsorship. And he says,
Speaker 2: the only way I survive is because you guys subscribe
Speaker 2: to my patreon he's like, I have a two dollars
Speaker 2: a month and a five dollars a month and that's
Speaker 2: the only thing that keeps me afloat next to AdSense.
Speaker 2: And he's like, and I'll be honest, I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't know in the top five percent, like when you
Speaker 2: talk about like income type of things, like I'm okay,
Speaker 2: I'll be fine. He kind of reminds me of you
Speaker 2: in the sense where like he bought his house and
Speaker 2: it wasn't the sexiest house, but it put a roof
Speaker 2: over his head, electricity in the home, and he is good.
Speaker 2: He's like, I'm okay here, I don't need much more
Speaker 2: than that. I want to talk about this stuff because
Speaker 2: it interests me. And he's like, I won't talk to
Speaker 2: a sponsorship because then I will become corrupt. Even if
Speaker 2: I don't think I can, I think I will because
Speaker 2: now they have influence over me. And I don't want
Speaker 2: to be told what to do. And it's all of
Speaker 2: these common things. And I've heard you say too, is
Speaker 2: that you want your freedom of aminimity or not aminimity,
Speaker 2: but just of autonomy, that you could do whatever you
Speaker 2: want however you want freely. No one is pulling these strings.
Speaker 2: A lot of people have told you this, Mike has
Speaker 2: said this. I've found this that there's so much respect
Speaker 2: that to not go the route that everybody else does,
Speaker 2: and I respect you for that too. I just wanted
Speaker 2: to ask to see if you've even ever thought about
Speaker 2: is there a way that you could do both?
Speaker 1: And if you feel like you can't.
Speaker 5: Thought a lot about it, I'm sure you have recently.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's awesome that Tello helped keep you on the
Speaker 1: straight and narrow, keep you on that good path.
Speaker 5: I like that.
Speaker 1: I like them biasedly for different reasons because it's helping
Speaker 1: my friend and I like that a lot.
Speaker 5: And I just be clear, I you know, definitely didn't
Speaker 5: do it just for the money to take that job
Speaker 5: kinds of things you get to see going on behind
Speaker 5: the scenes, that that experience is far more valuable and
Speaker 5: fun than you know, just the surface level work side
Speaker 5: of things.
Speaker 2: Telo sieves a brand will never be it was never
Speaker 2: his gold to be the guess anything that's not your
Speaker 2: that was not your intent, and that's not it's that's
Speaker 2: not its mission statement, because if.
Speaker 1: It is, you'd be dead in the water. Like that is,
Speaker 1: you're not doing a good job. If that was the case.
Speaker 2: I've always seen the Taylosa brand personally, I've I've identified
Speaker 2: it as that of.
Speaker 1: There's an there's a level of integrity and and all
Speaker 1: that you do that you can be.
Speaker 2: You could be honest, whether you're you like something or
Speaker 2: you don't, and whether you want to do something or
Speaker 2: you don't want to do it. No one's ever gonna question,
Speaker 2: or they shouldn't. I mean, you got the trolls that well,
Speaker 2: but we don't talk about the trolls. No one who
Speaker 2: actually really gives a gives a whot about you, questions
Speaker 2: your your motives behind wanting to do something.
Speaker 1: There's you could see it, and you're you're living this
Speaker 1: to other YouTubers.
Speaker 2: You can see it when they're actually passionate about something
Speaker 2: and when they're just cashing it in a paycheck.
Speaker 1: I'm here to do my job. I gotta read this thing.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this thing and carry on. Hey, hey
Speaker 1: here's that new thing. This is neat awesome. Goodbye. But
Speaker 1: you be like I want the pixel because it looks cool.
Speaker 1: I like it, and like the passion seeps through.
Speaker 4: On that note, I think I want the sixteen pro Max.
Speaker 5: This year.
Speaker 1: No, you don't. You don't even know what that looks
Speaker 1: like yet.
Speaker 4: Brown the biggest.
Speaker 5: You know what else is brown? So this whole entire time,
Speaker 5: it's the biggest screen iPhone of all time, and this is.
Speaker 1: The smallest screen iPhone of all time.
Speaker 3: No, it is go ahead and miche I was comparing
Speaker 3: the two monitors, my new extra monitor in yours we
Speaker 3: So you're just looking at the specs page, I guess
Speaker 3: if you're watching the video. But pretty much the diference
Speaker 3: between yours and mine is that yours has a VA
Speaker 3: panel and mine has an IPS panel, where the VA
Speaker 3: panel offers a superior contrast ratio, but mine is a
Speaker 3: LED will yours is an LCD where the l C
Speaker 3: or the LED has I think was it a really good?
Speaker 5: Was it?
Speaker 3: Superior blacks and brighter colors? So I think they balance
Speaker 3: out pretty much in terms of So the Titan, So
Speaker 3: I'm looking at what's it called best buy best buy
Speaker 3: Lisa two fifty for mine and three ninety nine or
Speaker 3: four hundred dollars for the Titan.
Speaker 4: It'll be three hundred after the code.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So anyways, on the same website, who knows wherever
Speaker 3: they're getting their model or their units. But I got
Speaker 3: mine two hundred and fifty dollars less than drew, but
Speaker 3: he gets a wide screen and a better contrast ratio.
Speaker 1: And refresh rate? Right, or does yours? What's your refresh rate?
Speaker 1: The hurts?
Speaker 5: I believe you should. You should compare it to the
Speaker 5: thirty two inch model. That's that would be more Apple.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm looking at. So you don't hear I've
Speaker 3: got one selected? Nope, Yeah, mine's twenty seven inches, yours?
Speaker 5: Go to yours?
Speaker 4: Yeah, go back, and then let's screen size.
Speaker 1: Oh there you go?
Speaker 5: Now the.
Speaker 4: More mhm.
Speaker 5: If you don't need a.
Speaker 4: Giant one, save yourself some money.
Speaker 3: It doesn't look like much changes in terms of.
Speaker 1: Right there, one hundred and eighty hurts.
Speaker 3: It's still one hundred and eighty before and after. I
Speaker 3: believe they're both good. Yeah, they're both really good. I'm
Speaker 3: just saying comparing this.
Speaker 1: That's how cheap these things have gotten, I know.
Speaker 5: Right, that's what That's kind of what convinced me to
Speaker 5: pull the trigger was like, what am I waiting for
Speaker 5: when forty Yeah? Yeah, but I'm not utilizing it because
Speaker 5: I'm on a mac anyway.
Speaker 2: But sure, or is what's going to cap you guys
Speaker 2: out on your on on the Apple silicon stuff right now?
Speaker 1: Yep, so you guys have the same refractor can go higher, but.
Speaker 5: I think i'd need a thunderbolt to display port cable,
Speaker 5: which I don't have. I think Max can go higher,
Speaker 5: but it it'd be very hard to notice at this point.
Speaker 1: Oh that's a big contrast ratio jump, isn't it. That's
Speaker 1: a big one.
Speaker 3: One thousand versus three thousand versus three Yeah, like ps.
Speaker 4: There are very good contrast.
Speaker 1: On this thing. Mike. Does your monitor have speakers?
Speaker 5: It has?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. It like Drew's. It has a ooxport,
Speaker 3: but I think at this price point that's not. The
Speaker 3: thing I like about mine is that it can rotate
Speaker 3: and height adjust. That is nice, so you can have
Speaker 3: it vertical and also change the tablet mode.
Speaker 2: Even on the Max.
Speaker 5: I would if I had a bigger desk, maybe I
Speaker 5: would have a secondary monitor that's sideways so that I
Speaker 5: could read the chat and go all the way back
Speaker 5: see people's earlier messages. But my desk is not ready
Speaker 5: for that yet yet.
Speaker 3: They're both pretty good, though, I think you got shows
Speaker 3: are really good. One to put on your desk.
Speaker 4: Well, I like big screens and you cannot lie. And
Speaker 4: that's why I want the sixteen promacs.
Speaker 3: But stop lying.
Speaker 1: Yeah you're lying. It's like that's not true. You you
Speaker 1: like your fifteen pro because it's the.
Speaker 5: A lot more of my phone now that I'm running
Speaker 5: not just my own social media but Tellos as well,
Speaker 5: and I'm using my phone as a camera for now
Speaker 5: that I don't have a webcam to fall back on
Speaker 5: because my MacBook is closed. The iPhone is.
Speaker 4: Well, I can't put it on the desk.
Speaker 5: There's no room.
Speaker 1: Move your move your Tesla semi.
Speaker 5: Look at the video.
Speaker 1: Ye, I need to go back and it's oh, cyber truck,
Speaker 1: Move your cyber truck.
Speaker 4: Where would you put the laptop that's not gonna fit?
Speaker 3: Where is the laptop? Is it behind your chair?
Speaker 4: No, it's it's on the shelf.
Speaker 3: The laptop is on the shelf.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's directly. I think if you watched yesterday's EV
Speaker 5: video you can see the top of it.
Speaker 3: So you're using the laptop like a desktop and putting
Speaker 3: it on a shelf while you're using a big disc.
Speaker 3: Your whole thing, the whole stick both of you again, laptop.
Speaker 3: Laptops are the best. Why are you getting still have them?
Speaker 4: If I need to take it on the go, I
Speaker 4: got this to unplug.
Speaker 3: This man is like, nah, I'm gonna change to a
Speaker 3: Mac Mini or whatever.
Speaker 1: I didn't say that you're not using here's Mike. No,
Speaker 1: I said when the time comes. Whenever that happens.
Speaker 2: When the time comes, I can see myself getting a
Speaker 2: stationary Mac. I didn't say I'm getting one, and I'm
Speaker 2: definitely not doing one right now.
Speaker 3: Never said right now.
Speaker 1: No, you're implying it, though, and you're toning everything. You're
Speaker 1: implying it. Our max are doing just fine.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get an easily. I can see another five
Speaker 2: years out of this thing.
Speaker 5: This is, in my opinion, why MacBooks are so popular
Speaker 5: is because for only a couple hundred bucks, as Mike
Speaker 5: just showed, you can basically turn a MacBook into an
Speaker 5: amazing desktop with a great refresh rate and a decent
Speaker 5: size and good resolution. But then when you want it
Speaker 5: to become mobile again, you can just unplug it, throw
Speaker 5: it in the bag, and now you've got everything you
Speaker 5: had on your desktop there. The next best thing would
Speaker 5: be if the iPhone could do that so if the
Speaker 5: sixteen Pro Max has some kind of Apple decks, I
Speaker 5: say that as much biggest possible battery.
Speaker 2: If the iPhone sixteen Pro Max with thunderbolt this, then
Speaker 2: the other offers us a dex solution.
Speaker 1: I will not get another iPad.
Speaker 4: M H, What I don't get that goes against everything
Speaker 4: you just said.
Speaker 5: I know.
Speaker 1: Oh, but here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I understand why you stick. I understand why why you
Speaker 2: stick insanity. I understand why you stick with your Mac
Speaker 2: and the iPhone. Right now, for now, there's there's beauty
Speaker 2: and simplicity even on the tech side. You don't have
Speaker 2: any over that because you just found one good thing
Speaker 2: that does it really well for your use case as
Speaker 2: a content creator.
Speaker 1: I've demoed nice brown thing. Sorry, listener to podcast something
Speaker 1: that he just showed his brown that's gross. Your use
Speaker 1: case is very hyper specific for you. And I don't
Speaker 1: mean that like everybody's different.
Speaker 5: I mean but literally think it's crazy considering how much
Speaker 5: I'm using my phone now to reply to comments and
Speaker 5: reply to Slack messages and to post things on mobile
Speaker 5: now with verticals because I don't like TikTok on the
Speaker 5: desktop or whatever, like is it do.
Speaker 4: TikTok's our biggest account.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, no, listen, I don't for you. Honestly,
Speaker 2: I don't think it's it's it's bad to go all in.
Speaker 5: I I.
Speaker 2: The dynamic change. I guess my thing is, but you
Speaker 2: can always reassess later afterwards. Is that like I I
Speaker 2: would assume in some capacity your relationship with Tella will
Speaker 2: change and you won't be maybe doing this element of
Speaker 2: it or if anything at all.
Speaker 1: We don't even know how long this this, this, this
Speaker 1: will go on for unless you signed them. You know,
Speaker 1: you're a contract by by Lenk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I mean for everything's symbiotic right now, but
Speaker 2: things can change again for for for you know, you know,
Speaker 2: you have life events that happen and it requires you
Speaker 2: to re direct your time elsewhere and you'd have to
Speaker 2: take a step back or whatever that case may be.
Speaker 1: That that's a scenario. My My issue you is you.
Speaker 2: Going all in for the sake of work productivity outside
Speaker 2: of what you have one hundred percent control over. But
Speaker 2: if we're just talking about iPhones, I mean there's a
Speaker 2: new one every year, and it's not like it's not
Speaker 2: like it's it's out of the norm to upgrade annually anyway,
Speaker 2: So I don't think it's that big of a deal. Uh,
Speaker 2: it's just really interesting. Look how much changed since eleven
Speaker 2: months ago. You went like, I can use a smaller phone.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get rid of the iPad I'm not wearing.
Speaker 5: If you remember, back when we unbox the twelves at
Speaker 5: your place, I was really in love with the Mini
Speaker 5: and the Max. I hated the middle ground. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: that's what I'm less interested in. I already don't love
Speaker 5: the current size of the fifteen Pro. I think it
Speaker 5: could be smaller and i'd love it more. But now
Speaker 5: that there's so much more screen time in my life,
Speaker 5: I'm like, maybe I need to go back to becoming
Speaker 5: a MAX guy.
Speaker 1: Do you a question, I do you see yourself needing
Speaker 1: a Max or is it really just wanting? And I
Speaker 1: guess I'm asking that.
Speaker 4: Definitely a want, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: I remember that.
Speaker 5: I don't think I could argue it's a need. But
Speaker 5: as far as like what I review, that's what I
Speaker 5: was asking you both earlier.
Speaker 1: It was like, keep going, and oh, I thought that
Speaker 1: was me. I make a cameo in that. That's my
Speaker 1: phone and then we opened up Britney's and she got
Speaker 1: mad about that.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 1: She has since calmed down. She was like, Okay, now,
Speaker 1: is that that serious?
Speaker 4: She brings it up every time.
Speaker 5: I see.
Speaker 2: That's because that's that's the common ground. Let's talk about
Speaker 2: tech and how I roasted Randy and I she his
Speaker 2: butt off.
Speaker 1: Look at that.
Speaker 3: That's why I agree with your wife all the time.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, and.
Speaker 3: Or id buzz whatever the heck it is.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's that's a whole different podcast. I
Speaker 1: understand though your.
Speaker 2: Wow you've changed. Wow, look at that all right? Wow wow, Uh,
Speaker 2: It's more it's more of a want.
Speaker 5: So I want my wife to have a phone with USBC,
Speaker 5: and I'm trying to figure out, you know, the best
Speaker 5: way to probably phrase that would be me get the
Speaker 5: cheapest possible sixteen and then either or or get the
Speaker 5: cheapest possible fifteen after the price reduction, give that to her,
Speaker 5: or I switched to the sixteen because maybe the sixteen
Speaker 5: has some feature that my fifteen pro doesn't have. I
Speaker 5: don't know, but my preference or my plan will definitely
Speaker 5: change based on what Apple announces.
Speaker 2: How do you see yourself actually This goes back to
Speaker 2: when we started talking about iPhones.
Speaker 1: Anyway, how do you see yourself? You asked?
Speaker 2: You asked, should I review a sixteen or sixteen Pro
Speaker 2: or both? The obvious answer would be both, check out both.
Speaker 1: Yea, it gives some update. But to me, honestly, I
Speaker 1: was going to say that as a cop out.
Speaker 2: I see a really big case of getting the pro
Speaker 2: to get a genuine side by side for whatever new
Speaker 2: camera thing that they're going to talk about, especially since
Speaker 2: now sixteen Pro will default automatically with five x zoom
Speaker 2: instead of three, and I think that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2: I like that you can get a better zoom on
Speaker 2: the lower the smaller form factor so many buttons.
Speaker 4: Smaller form factor is bigger.
Speaker 1: Now it's gonna be marginally bigger. It's not. I did it.
Speaker 2: If you look at the thumbnail from the video I
Speaker 2: posted today, those are side by sides of the exact
Speaker 2: same mockups of what the dimensions are reporting. And I
Speaker 2: can't do it because I'm using my phone.
Speaker 5: Ah.
Speaker 1: I was like, I'll just show you I can't. I
Speaker 1: was gonna move them together. I did a side. I
Speaker 1: overlaid the two P andngs. Yes, I took the p
Speaker 1: and gs on both of.
Speaker 2: Those, and it the sixteen mockup is so marginally bigger.
Speaker 2: That is only noticeable when you do an immediate side
Speaker 2: by side. And that's like most things in tech anyway,
Speaker 2: especially when it comes to iPhones, it's only when you
Speaker 2: do a side by side will you then start to
Speaker 2: notice the difference. Oh, it weighs a little bit lighter
Speaker 2: or heavier. Oh the camera sensor is a little bit
Speaker 2: wider or tighter. Oh so now this is a little
Speaker 2: bit taller, or oh the bezels are thinner, only noticeably
Speaker 2: when it's side by side. To the Chonky thirteen, it's
Speaker 2: only when we do that that we're like, oh, I
Speaker 2: can actually see it and appreciate it for two seconds.
Speaker 2: But just like anything else, like updating to I Always
Speaker 2: eighteen beta, you notice it, you change your.
Speaker 1: Color, and then you're like, all right, it's dark mode.
Speaker 1: I don't care, and you forget about it. That is nice.
Speaker 2: That is how the Base fifteen and the Base sixteen
Speaker 2: will be compared, and we'll see a bigger improvement on
Speaker 2: these camera sensors with the pros, because that's where they
Speaker 2: always go all in on.
Speaker 1: So I feel like, maybe you should do both for.
Speaker 2: Real reasons. Now I talk myself and to tell you
Speaker 2: should get both because maybe you'll keep them both. One
Speaker 2: goes to Luis, one goes to you, and then you
Speaker 2: know have to do this so back and forth thing.
Speaker 4: What happens to the fifteen pro you sell it?
Speaker 5: Oh? Oh, I've sold so many foods. Mike, talk me
Speaker 5: out of it. What do I do?
Speaker 3: Pixel?
Speaker 1: Yeah, shut up, you're not talking. We're done. You're done.
Speaker 5: Looks like buy a pixel read He's like, buy two
Speaker 5: I phones, keep both of them.
Speaker 1: Luise is not going to use a pixel she did,
Speaker 1: She's not going to.
Speaker 5: You don't remember that whole thing. It's like one of
Speaker 5: the most viewed videos on the Taylor's Life channel.
Speaker 1: No, I'm telling you.
Speaker 4: She's not going to do it, even if it's cheaper.
Speaker 1: Well, you're all you care about is usb C.
Speaker 2: I think you can make a good case if you
Speaker 2: find a cheaper USBC that works. But that really is,
Speaker 2: like you said, that depends on what Apple does next
Speaker 2: at the keynote. That's going to really dictate what happens
Speaker 2: for the next at least six months to I'd say
Speaker 2: six to ten months easy.
Speaker 1: That that's gonna play out. That's gonna be really interesting.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of nervous, like I'm getting excited about next
Speaker 2: month for you, Like I'm getting more worked up, not
Speaker 2: because of what I'm going to get, but because what
Speaker 2: is what Drew's going to do for the next year.
Speaker 2: It's a big deal. It's gonna it's gonna decide Yes,
Speaker 2: it is. It's a big deal because you're you know,
Speaker 2: what's crazy, Drew?
Speaker 1: Can I.
Speaker 2: Cut this part out if you feel like it's it's
Speaker 2: it's inappropriate to say this. But at one point you
Speaker 2: were saying how you're gonna bet the channel on Vision Pro.
Speaker 5: I don't remember that, but I do, and.
Speaker 2: Vision Pro ended up not not that's a letdown, but
Speaker 2: it's a genuine product, and it's really expensive. It's a
Speaker 2: very expensive, genuine product. And there was so much hype
Speaker 2: for such little like no one talks about it anymore.
Speaker 2: The only time people talk about is when they're trying
Speaker 2: to get some new clicks.
Speaker 1: On on a YouTube video.
Speaker 2: But I mean, genuinely, no one's talking about it, no
Speaker 2: news articles, even Apple.
Speaker 4: Half expected that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when you said I was betting the channel,
Speaker 2: that the point you were making was like the future
Speaker 2: of tech lies in this new form of interaction, and
Speaker 2: that's a very big commitment going all in on Apple
Speaker 2: at that point, you'd kind of have to Yeah, you
Speaker 2: could do. I mean, Mike demoed the meta competitor at
Speaker 2: that moment we all did you know, our series or
Speaker 2: season premiere with you know, trying out the different headsets and.
Speaker 1: You know, it's there. It's a thing. It's cool, get it, buddy,
Speaker 1: there it is. So you got to see both in person.
Speaker 2: In regards to what those two kind of behave, and
Speaker 2: that's that's a big commitment, because that's a very expensive commitment.
Speaker 2: Had you gone through with actually saying like I think
Speaker 2: Vision Pro will be it, like say, the Vision Pro
Speaker 2: was everything that the future is kind of promising.
Speaker 1: But in this gem of it, you're not, you wouldn't
Speaker 1: be Okay, maybe I'll do a pixel in this area.
Speaker 2: If you did, it's a very expensive transition of things,
Speaker 2: and then it becomes a very heavy paper weight, which
Speaker 2: kind of already is a heavy pepperweight.
Speaker 1: I feel.
Speaker 2: That on less riskier terms, you get the same you
Speaker 2: get the same aspirations that you want from Vision Pro
Speaker 2: doing a pixel thing or an Apple thing, which is
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Either by two by two iPhones one
Speaker 2: of each, give Luis the base one at the end
Speaker 2: of it, or return the base one she takes her
Speaker 2: fitting pro and then you have the latest.
Speaker 1: And that's your that's your strategy for the next year.
Speaker 1: Or do a drastic change like what could have been
Speaker 1: with the vision pro and with the pixel.
Speaker 2: Object actively with the pixel then you know, you get
Speaker 2: your form factor and you're all in out. Now your
Speaker 2: team Pixel without being team pixel and your pixel boy,
Speaker 2: excuse me, your pixel boy, and without being team Pixel,
Speaker 2: and you can ride that Google Services wave, you know,
Speaker 2: to the to the very end because you genuinely believe
Speaker 2: in it and you use it. And that's a that's
Speaker 2: a bet. That's a pretty big bet too. Because Apple
Speaker 2: gets the clicks.
Speaker 1: Everybody always compares things to Apple.
Speaker 2: We've seen people who used to be tech channels are
Speaker 2: now Apple channels because Apple gets the clicks.
Speaker 1: It's ballsy for you to be like, I'm gonna just
Speaker 1: do pixel stuff now.
Speaker 2: You're not gonna get the same clicks, but you will
Speaker 2: get a whole different new demographics of audience which will
Speaker 2: be kind of interesting to see as well. And maybe
Speaker 2: you can help break some of that toxicity too. These
Speaker 2: these team, this team, that team Apple, team Google.
Speaker 1: Is so childish and stupid. I've never liked it. I
Speaker 1: hate it for yourself.
Speaker 11: No excuse me, mister Hamphi crit Tell me what were
Speaker 11: you saying at the beginning of the saying.
Speaker 1: Pot that I asked that I have my V card
Speaker 1: for uh Android? Because I never finished him. That's not
Speaker 1: the only.
Speaker 3: Put up the screen. Put up the dank screen. I'm
Speaker 3: gonna prove this guy right. There is a digital color
Speaker 3: meter picker.
Speaker 1: To Apple.
Speaker 11: I guess what that dank color is brown? The heck's
Speaker 11: color picker shows it's brown. Put me back up, Drew,
Speaker 11: it's brown. That isn't the official Apple launched color. That's
Speaker 11: some mock up crap and it looks like crap.
Speaker 3: Liver said it was the official Apple launched color. But
Speaker 3: what I did say is that color is brown, and
Speaker 3: you said it bron I think.
Speaker 1: It's supposed to mimic bronze. Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: You may say that, but that color is brown.
Speaker 1: You're wrong. Question, Mike, do you say iPhone ten or
Speaker 1: iPhone x X.
Speaker 3: I've alway exactly exactly my one point because you guys
Speaker 3: have brainwashed me into thinking.
Speaker 1: Exactly my point, Mike, exactly it's supposed to be bronze.
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what you call it doesn't make it right.
Speaker 5: I'll have to see it in person to tell you
Speaker 5: what the color really is. But again, remember what I said.
Speaker 5: Anybody can go out and buy something, so I know, okay,
Speaker 5: so they have to be more creative.
Speaker 3: But only one person on this podcast, well maybe two,
Speaker 3: definitely not three can buy a pixel.
Speaker 1: Here we go.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: I told Drew if he bought, if he had one
Speaker 2: of each, I would, Because he said, do you have
Speaker 2: a tech channel?
Speaker 1: Do this too? I said, I will do it if
Speaker 1: you do it.
Speaker 5: Wait, what did you say you do if I do?
Speaker 2: Last week you told me Randy, you should get a
Speaker 2: pixel you have a tech channel now, and I said,
Speaker 2: I will do it if you do one of each
Speaker 2: iOS and Android with you and you have both.
Speaker 1: If you did that one, I would do it with you.
Speaker 1: I would get and I would get a pixel, a
Speaker 1: pixel eight. I don't think i'd get at a probe,
Speaker 1: but I would get a pixel eight for sure.
Speaker 5: And I was the best? Is it?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like it was a great phone.
Speaker 1: Wait sorry, pixel nine base model Pixel nine, I met
Speaker 1: pixel nine. Sorry, my apologies. And then he's got the panda.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's not panda, it's penguin. Get it right. Look,
Speaker 3: there's the beak, it's an orange button. There's the head.
Speaker 3: It's the lens. There's the rest of the body. It's white.
Speaker 3: It's a penguin or puffing.
Speaker 1: So, Drew, what are you looking for in an iPhone
Speaker 1: that makes you want to stay?
Speaker 5: Uh? I guess it already has all of my passwords.
Speaker 3: That's not a reason up'm the password manager and put
Speaker 3: onto something else.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's not true. Last time I reviewed Android,
Speaker 5: I moved all the passwords over to Google. So no,
Speaker 5: Apple really doesn't have too much keeping me around, do they.
Speaker 2: I was asking more along the lines of like why
Speaker 2: upgrade at all to anything in the sixteen? Like what
Speaker 2: is it you're looking for?
Speaker 1: That would be like, oh, that I want that.
Speaker 4: I need that, better battery, better camera, the works, that works.
Speaker 5: Okay. I mean, with as much I'm using my phone
Speaker 5: these days, I'm I'm actually killing it quite regularly. Maybe
Speaker 5: I should charge it to full sometimes I.
Speaker 2: Get I gave up the eighty percent thing. Actually, when
Speaker 2: I got the beta. I went to ninety for a
Speaker 2: little bit, and I.
Speaker 1: Was like, this is way better.
Speaker 5: I should have given up. Stary health is tanking. I
Speaker 5: don't know why I still cap it to eighty.
Speaker 2: I'm at ninety percent battery health. Oh my Mini that
Speaker 2: I had longer than that is at ninety three percent
Speaker 2: battery health.
Speaker 3: How much did you use that mini versus how much
Speaker 3: you've used.
Speaker 1: Every day for a year and a half.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: But the thing is, the Mini reminded me that this
Speaker 1: is just a phone. This wasn't my everything. This I
Speaker 1: was more disciplined on.
Speaker 4: Getting on social well everything.
Speaker 1: I love this phone and my only my only regret
Speaker 1: is that there wasn't enough ram.
Speaker 2: But for you, Drew, I think you should get a
Speaker 2: pro Max. And I hate that I'm saying that. I
Speaker 2: have never said that. I have never told you that
Speaker 2: I think you should get a pro Max. I really do.
Speaker 1: That's so gross?
Speaker 3: Oh what reality am I in? I must have jumped
Speaker 3: a couple recently.
Speaker 5: This is not the sacred timeline.
Speaker 4: This is no no Nolan is the.
Speaker 5: What do you call it?
Speaker 4: Character you keep on bringing is?
Speaker 3: It's not anchor?
Speaker 1: An anchor? Oh no, A right? You got to protect
Speaker 1: them at all costs.
Speaker 3: We're going to be doing this tour ninety so we're.
Speaker 4: Insanity, all right, gentlemen, and thoughts, Jen, No.
Speaker 1: That's my question. I'm driving this ship today. Any closing thoughts, gentlemen.
Speaker 3: Brown, I hate it's brown. I hate it's brown.
Speaker 1: I hate you. That's leather that looks like leather. What
Speaker 1: color is leather? Brown? Bronze?
Speaker 5: What? No? Yes?
Speaker 1: Oh, real question. Here's my closing thought. It's a question
Speaker 1: for both of you. Mike. I don't think you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: you have a fourteen pro so okay, question rumor has it?
Speaker 1: Actually I'm not even gonna stage it that way. What
Speaker 1: cases do you.
Speaker 2: Think are gonna be released with the sixteen? Do you
Speaker 2: think do you think there's gonna be fake leather? Do
Speaker 2: you think they're gonna stick with that fine woven again?
Speaker 1: Do you think that's yeah? Do you think fine fine
Speaker 1: Woven's sticking around?
Speaker 4: I do what else are they gonna do? They can't
Speaker 4: go back.
Speaker 3: I think it's electric boogoloo for fine woven.
Speaker 5: They're gonna they're gonna say they improved it in some way.
Speaker 5: I bet they're gonna say, like, oh, it's more durable now,
Speaker 5: or but they maybe they can't go back to leather.
Speaker 3: What about durability.
Speaker 1: Vegan ladder leather. Well, if they just took a page.
Speaker 3: From Tesla, don't they already do that?
Speaker 1: No, they don't have vegan leather. They just stopped.
Speaker 5: I didn't. I feel like we would have heard about
Speaker 5: it if they were going to by now. But I
Speaker 5: guess that's a possibility. They do leather that's not leather.
Speaker 1: Did you have you guys actually become hands on with
Speaker 1: those fine woven cases? Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: My wife has one and she just does it too.
Speaker 1: I didn't think it's possible for me to hate you more.
Speaker 3: We'll buckle up.
Speaker 4: But to be clear, I don't like vine woven or
Speaker 4: any other case for that matter.
Speaker 2: But it's not about as we've established with the iPad thing,
Speaker 2: it's not about you, Drew. It's about what people are
Speaker 2: willing to pay, and.
Speaker 3: Nobody's willing to pay everything in his wallet and a half.
Speaker 2: Listen, that fine woven felt so tacky. It felt cheap
Speaker 2: and trashy mm hmmm, aged like crap.
Speaker 3: I felt that the stupid rubber. In the past, few
Speaker 3: ones have aged like crap. My wife had two cases
Speaker 3: those cases.
Speaker 1: Those things are just.
Speaker 5: Another one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, those things are rib from the very start. They
Speaker 3: fall apart.
Speaker 2: The case right now that my fifteen is on carrying,
Speaker 2: But I didn't pay anything for it, so I've been
Speaker 2: rocking with it since I got the fifteen.
Speaker 1: I hate it. It's not good. I remember when you
Speaker 1: and Carrie came.
Speaker 2: Over and her case was just literally she put her
Speaker 2: phone on the table and I saw the upper part
Speaker 2: of the well.
Speaker 1: Supposed to be product red.
Speaker 3: It was just it was just shiny salmon, whatever it
Speaker 3: is it was, It was dying in front of me.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is gross.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the fine woven has not done that with us.
Speaker 3: It has stood very strong, and she's using it the same.
Speaker 3: Nothing has changed in her daily life.
Speaker 1: Oh God, what's it like to be so ignorant? I
Speaker 1: love you, guys.
Speaker 3: I'm living the ignorant life, and I'm trying to help
Speaker 3: you live the ignorant life. And instead you keep on
Speaker 3: crawling back into Apple's cradle and ask yes, I would
Speaker 3: like some more please. I keep taking a thousand more dollars?
Speaker 1: Why why didn't I take.
Speaker 3: Instead? You guys are taking the red pill. Look at
Speaker 3: your shirt.
Speaker 1: Quite frankly, red looks good on us had to get in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, guys. Uh, this was fun and I'm
Speaker 2: glad we were able to do it back to back
Speaker 2: for two week in a row. Now, hope y'all enjoyed
Speaker 2: this extra long episode. Can't guarantee it'll be like that
Speaker 2: next week, but we shall see you all. Take care,
Speaker 2: have a great one. Don't do Team Pixel, don't do Brown.
Speaker 2: It's bronze and everything I say is memorable, quotable, and memorable.
Speaker 1: Goodbye.
Speaker 3: Wow