Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to Challenge Podcast.
Speaker 2: All about the Challenge, this one specifically about season forties finale.
Speaker 3: Fucking yeah, Christ.
Speaker 4: There we go, Carlin. I'm so glad I'm not alone
tonight and drinking.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows who everybody is. I'm not introducing nobody becomes
Challenge pod dot Com john Facebook group because hey, Carlin,
you got notes right. I did tell us what happened
in the last two episodes.
Speaker 5: Jesus a bunch of swimming, and then Jordan and Jenny
and Rachel won.
Speaker 3: What we said, We're gonna burn.
Speaker 4: You're just like I just did it.
Speaker 5: I got no reaction from the two of them. It
was just sack. What the fuck?
Speaker 4: No I got. I was just too like, I'm just
lots of swimming.
Speaker 5: And then Jordan, Rachel and Jenny one.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, Carl, Carl, little four play. You gotta warm
me up. Carl, let's go come on.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry you do that ship every single fucking episode.
What are you talking about? You need a little four play?
Speaker 4: What Carlyn?
Speaker 3: Look at Carlin on the public link you won the public.
Speaker 4: Look at this all right?
Speaker 6: I don't want it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know who wanted to we're going to go
through and actually do this episode like normal people.
Speaker 3: I thought I actually wanted Kim wanted four.
Speaker 5: Play, So we're gonna get four play.
Speaker 4: Let's do it, you know, like a little a little
bit of hey, how was your week type of ship
not just doesn't.
Speaker 3: Work yourself off on your own time. Let's go.
Speaker 4: I did it before the show. I'm gonna do it
a little bit later during the show. Just give you
a minute in my refractory in my refractory period, Carlin,
how dare you don't judge? Goodness?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 6: We got him worked up with all that stuff porn
I did.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you want to hear all about porn, go
listen to our pre show and possibly our after SHOWMM.
All right, so we are in the finale. I don't
remember what the finale episodes are called. We get the
prize breakdown and the money breakdown, which is first gets
four hundred k, second gets seventy five k, third gets
twenty five k, and fourth is competing in the entire finale,
which I don't know that we've seen that before, and
they get nothing. Normally, Fourth gets purged out pretty quickly.
I was kind of saying, we've seen.
Speaker 6: It in older seasons. Famous I remember was it Rivals
when Mandy and Jen were on the team. They got
fourth place and got no money.
Speaker 5: Were they fourth or were they third? I thought they
were third, And they just didn't make it to the
end because didn't they quit during that challenge where they
had to like move body bags or no they couldn't
they I don't know whatever.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad you remember this, Carling, because I feel
so fucking weird sometimes remembering these weird fucking shit like that.
But yes, they timed out of that final. They did
not finish that final because they timed out on the
weird thing where they had to remake a campsite or
something fucking sea.
Speaker 5: That's right, they had a bunch. They had a really
hard time doing the moving the body bags because they
were super heavy. And then the next one they had
to go and recreate the campsite exactly and they couldn't
get the tent up and they couldn't remember where everything was.
I forgot about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there was cows in the road or something
that the cows.
Speaker 2: Remember one season where angels like, I'm not doing the
shit and just went to sleep in the tent PJ
just qualified it.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, we've had some interesting ones.
Speaker 5: But yeah, so this, uh, this final, I like, I
really wanted to love it because there were seven different checkpoints, which, like,
that's a lot of gameplay. There's seven different checkpoints. They
had to swim to and from a boat for every
single one of them, which nightmare And by the way, yeah,
but it's no, it's honestly, it's no real difference from
that or running.
Speaker 4: No, it is. I listen. I got in a very
public argument about this on the MTV Challenge sub reddit.
It is far more interesting. It is far more Some
guy said it was the same to watch somebody swim
versus run, and I said, absolutely not. It is way
more interesting to watch people run because you can at
least see their whole fucking bodies, like at minimum, you
can see you can see them.
Speaker 5: See their whole body, and you can hear them talking
and like thank you.
Speaker 4: When they're swimming, it's like it's like you get you
get the top of two thirds of their head and
like their arms sometimes and like a long shot with
an arrow pointing to where they are. It's like, I
don't give a fuck about any of that, Like show
me them sweating and like pausing to throw up and
then they keep running and stuff. Like the swimming this
is boring, it's not fun watch swimming.
Speaker 3: Swimming did not bother me.
Speaker 6: Jump in real quick and say I double checked. And
even though they did quit third place, did not get
any catch that season, whether they finished or not.
Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, I mean I guess I to Wolfe's point,
I didn't really mind the swimming versus running type of thing.
It was still just like long distance stuff.
Speaker 2: I do agree with Tim he can't perve on the
girls running.
Speaker 4: Because yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 6: I also hated all the swimming. I like a final
that's a mix of both. You know, start with a
swim like we've seen in the past, but then run,
you know, on blackground, then go up a mountain, Like, yeah,
I want to see, you know, different activities for people
of different skill sets. Who's the best swimmer.
Speaker 5: In swimming, swimming, swimming, swimming, swimming, it's finally a healthy
mix of all of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this final, thousand percent came down to who's the
best swimmer, Like that's kind of all. That's all it was,
and you know it's whatever for what, But that's not yeah,
the challenge should be like the most well rounded and
this doesn't know it seems like I missed the market.
Speaker 5: Yep, I agree with that. We also, they're standing on
the boat after they find out what the prize money
is going to be. They also find out that they're
going to be starting and finishing every checkpoint on the
boat and TJ drops the bomb about the Karma vote,
and Johnny immediately says that he should just jump off
the boat right now. Yes, he knows that his is
going to be shit.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 4: So no, we've discussed the karma vote on an off
all season. But where where do you, guys land with
the karma vote are we? Are we good with it
or do you need to judge it by how it's
based and how it's judged by the end, like what's where.
Speaker 5: Were I really liked it. I don't think it should
be weighted as much as it was.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I didn't like it just for the fact that
I think if you're going to do something like that
or Jerry vote, that the player should be told ahead
of time because I don't like it.
Speaker 6: You know, at the very end, they're like, oh, here's
a facet to the game that impacts how you win
that we kept secret from you all season.
Speaker 5: No, because they can then they can game the vote.
Speaker 4: But that's the point of it, part of the game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like, but the personal relationships of how you
treat people is also.
Speaker 3: Part of the game.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I loved that it was a secret that no
one found out about it until after they left, so
people like Johnny couldn't go up and try to save
face with people by finding out that there's a karma
vote and oh well, I have to go play nice
with this person. Even though I hate it, I.
Speaker 4: Totally see what you're saying. I liked it.
Speaker 5: I just didn't like how much it was waited.
Speaker 4: Yeah, both Wolfe and Karl, and I totally see your point.
It's better to be hidden, It's like, because then it's
the more sort of like true representation of how you're
playing the game.
Speaker 5: Like I watched Certain.
Speaker 2: That being said, I feel like the scoring on it
was fucking weird and I didn't like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the scoring on it was, And I do feel
like when you watch a game, Sorry, Zack, I'm gonna
keep talking, when you watch a game like Survivor that
is take get into it right, you have to like,
you eventually have to make your plate to the jury
and you have to win over these people that voted out,
and that's part of the game, and knowing that as
you're playing it makes the game more interesting. Surprising it
at the end is sort of like a oh well, fuck,
I would have done different things had I known that,
And that's shitty. You shouldn't wait until the game is
basically done before you tell them a very major part
of the rules.
Speaker 5: But that's the thing.
Speaker 4: I just think it makes it more luck and shitty
that way.
Speaker 6: And I also, I'll say, it's not like you know,
the votes really came down to karmen how you treated people.
For example, Leroy gave bananas a one does anyone here
thinks bananasad Leroy Poorley?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just because yeah, Lero wanted to see
another winner. Yeah, and so yes, it wasn't It wasn't
a real karma point. It was sort of a who
do I want?
Speaker 5: I mean, that's something honestly, I think that would have happened,
whether whether they knew about it or not. Like it's
so I totally get your point. I do think that
it would be really fun to watch this where they
are also playing strategically for the Karma vote, because if
if this show ever comes back and if they bring
the Karma boat back, then that's what it's going to
be going forward, because they're never going to be able
to surprise it on us again. But I did really
like the element of they're not playing to try to
get those extra points because they don't know they're there.
Because yeah, I mean to you saying like, oh, I
would have played things differently if I had known this
was there, But yeah, that's the point. That's why they
didn't tell them, because people like fucking Johnny would go
and try to game the system to get that point,
even though he's a fucking asshole. So I just I
liked it for this season. It's never gonna happen this
way again. They're never gonna be able to play it
the same way again. But I liked it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I hated it.
Speaker 6: Hated it, thanks, And I think it's just that I
watched a lot of like Survivor and Bick Brother, where
you know the point of the game is like get
to the end, be liked by a journey. Where's the
challenge has always been it doesn't care who you burn
along the way, at the end of the day, who's
the best athlete, who's gonna win the competition?
Speaker 4: That's exactly right. Yeah, getting to the final is the
hard part. Once you're at the final, it's sort of
as like best man wins, like your final, like the
gun goes off, and whoever finished his first wins, And
this takes away from that.
Speaker 5: True, it's you know, in those games, you have to
you have to do that sort of thing, and this
one has just been in years previous it's just who's
the best physical competitor, But you do still have to
you have to play strategically as well. You still have
to have that that gameplay within the house. And like,
I don't know who said it earlier, it might have
been David said it. For example, Derrek made it to
the end and much of it was for being friendly
and easy to get along with, so like he and
the karma points for the boys didn't matter at all
because they all they played to the best of their
ability and they did a really good job with their
Like the guys who won did a good job with
their strategic play. So I don't know, I kind of
feel like it's a little I kind of feel like,
you guys are somewhat Zach. I kind of feel like
you're talking at it both sides of your mouth when
you say that you don't like the karma points because
they are and then you also like to have strategic
I don't, well.
Speaker 6: Because I'm survivor or big brother, you know, like he said,
you can kiss their ass because you know, at the
end of the day, I need these people to win.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're all to have and that can be a
really interesting part of the show is watching people even
saying like a fuck, I gotta kiss this guy's ass, yes,
so that I can get a boat later. You know,
I think.
Speaker 5: Going forward, if we have this going forward, I think
it'd be a lot of fun to watch, like watching
Johnny Banas try to kiss someone's ass so he can
keep those points.
Speaker 4: But they could have done it off season, Carlin, if
they would have just told him earlier, you know, we
could have we could have already seen it.
Speaker 5: Being sprung on him. I thought that was great.
Speaker 6: I also think a Lovicul be results oriented because like,
could you imagine, like I think there'd be a huge
outcry if Jordan dominated this final. But then Derek want
this the show because nice part totally.
Speaker 4: I was, yes, I was pissed at that hypothetical last
week where that was still maybe gonna happen. Yeah, yeah,
because Jordan Jordan tweeted out something or put it on
his Instagram and it with something with the hashtag like
fuck the Karma vote or something, which led some people
to think like, oh, Jordan dominated this and then lost it,
which would have been fucking bullshit. I'm glad that's not
how it we saw.
Speaker 6: It was close. I mean, it was very much in
the realistic possibility Derek could have won. He just done slightly.
Speaker 4: Better after after Jordan placed first and what six out
of seven checkpoints, like a fuck, that should not be.
That should not be how this game is played, Like
that's I disagree with that.
Speaker 5: Oh no, you're right, yeah, six out of seven because
the only one that he didn't get was the one
where they were cannon coins, right.
Speaker 4: And he got second I think on that one. I mean,
it's just there's no world in which Jordan should have
lost this or it should have been even close. And
the fact that it was cool.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jordan absolutely dominated this finale. Yeah, so really quickly,
let's run through the games of the finale. Check point
one they have to is san Blatt. I don't know
why I named it. I pulled in the names. Check
Point one, Derek starts with a three minute penalty because
he came in last in the last elimination or last challenge. Yeah,
I after further review, I agree with you. It was
fucking dumb that he had any kind of a penalty.
Speaker 4: It became even more dumb watching him sit there when
everybody else is gone, like why is this one motherfucker
sitting there? Like? What make? Yeah?
Speaker 5: So they had to swim from the boat to the beach,
run back and forth on the beach five times to
retrieve puzzle pieces, put a three D puzzle together, and
then swim back to the boat. Uh Rachel and Kyland
both fucking failed miserably.
Speaker 4: Kyland sucks at puzzles. Kylon sucks at puzzles. Guys, let's
get on this. Let's get on this train.
Speaker 5: Nobody Seemsie's good at math. He sucks the puzzles.
Speaker 4: Kylin sucks at puzzles. Nobody else seems to be realizing
this yet is a terrible puzzle person.
Speaker 6: Yeah, if it's math related, he will kill it. If
it's not, math related. He's yeah, not good at all.
Speaker 4: I hope next season more people have figured this out.
This guy sucks a puzzles.
Speaker 5: He also sucks at swimming. Jordan and Derek were first
back for the were first and second for the guys.
Michelle and Jenny were first and second for the girls.
Checkpoint two we have they swim to another boat. They
have to do a matching shapes puzzle where the key
is on the bottom of that other boat. Once they
do all the match in shapes, they have to swim
back to the original boat. Yet again, Jordan fucking dominates
in the swim.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jordan pretty much. Yeah, Jordan just dominates this whole thing, right,
He's except for the one. He'd finished every single thing
first and that's just how it went.
Speaker 5: Yep. Third one is one thousand steps. They have to
swim to a beach, follow a bunch of clues, swim
to a booie and look at an image in the trees,
which is a skull, and then recreate that image on
a puzzle board, and then swim back to the ship.
And if they get the puzzle board wrong, then they
have to do the whole swim back out to the
booy and come back type of thing.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 5: The only person who got that wrong with Tory.
Speaker 4: This was the part where I started feeling bad for Tory,
who has done well all season and fucked this final
up in a severe way. And I think this is
this is.
Speaker 5: The way Rachel fucked this final up. I was super
surprised with how bad Rachel was doing.
Speaker 4: I think this is the leg though, where at dawn
on Tory like I'm gonna lose, like like I'm way
fucking behind, And when she got back to the ship,
she just looked so defeated and deflated. And what a
weird season for her to dominate all season, destroy everybody,
and then the final like just choked.
Speaker 5: Just yeah, Rachel and Tory, they I mean they were
third and fourth almost every checkpoint. It was surprising.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I say the same also for Kyland.
Obviously we were just making fuve as puzzle skills. I mean,
he won a good portion of the Men's Daily Challenging
this season, and then he gets swimming. He yeah, he
was just screwed.
Speaker 5: He was dead last in every single elimination except for
every single checkpoint except for the one where they had
to count where he was third and the the like
second to last one where they had to do the math.
He was also third, but that was just more because
he was the last person to arrive to the island
and Johnny failed at math.
Speaker 6: I do think mostly running and says swimming. I think
he's up there competing for a second. I don't think
he'd be stortan.
Speaker 4: But Zach I was about to say the same thing.
I think Kylan is going to win this show if
we have a few more seasons of this sorry, if
we have a few more seasons of this show. I
think Kylin is gonna win. I really do, because I
think he's not a great swimmer, but who cares because
normally swimmings not that big of a deal here, And
if he could get a good partner who's okay with puzzles,
I think he'll be all right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think is going to win this season anyway,
if we.
Speaker 6: Ran this final again, but it was just bet on
head Kylin and Leroy, who.
Speaker 4: Wins Kylan Kylan versus Leroy.
Speaker 6: Yeah, with all the swimming, yeah, Kylin wentz for sure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Lee, I mean with all the swimming, like
Kylind is not good at swimming, but he's marginally better
than Leroy, and Leroy is significantly worse at puzzles. Is
not good at puzzles. But Leroy is really not good
at puzzles.
Speaker 4: They have the same they have the same weaknesses, but
I think Kylin is better at both. Yeah, they're both
weak at swimming and puzzles, but but Leroy is weaker
at both. I think.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess I just figured in my mind because
Learry has been in this longer, he's been more time
swimming north, I thought he'd have a slight edge in
the swimming.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Leroy also has two kids at home and
we have.
Speaker 4: No I know, but he's going. He's gone.
Speaker 5: Just bye Wolfy.
Speaker 4: He's sick this season.
Speaker 5: Take it off his headphones and wandered away, all right. Uh.
Check point four is the Overnight Challenge. This was so
fucking stupid. I know it was just there to like
drag them down. But they were given a big bag
of coins that they had to count for thirty minutes,
and then they had to go up to the to
the deck and sing a song for thirty minutes, and
then they had to go back down and continue to
count the coins in the bag for thirty minutes and
so on and so forth, go back up and sing count.
Speaker 4: But I feel like this was This is important for
two reasons. Number One, Jenny fucking gave up. So number one,
we know Jenny is weak mentally, She's fucking weak as shit. Mentally.
She did okay counting them, she did all right, But
I feel like that was luck. She impressed me luck.
So that's number one. Good job Jenny for the lucky
fucking thing. But you're a puss for doing what you did.
Speaker 5: Super annoying in this one.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: And also, Tory, what the fuck is wrong with you? You
took a million fucking years and you were off by
a thousand You were off by one thousand points? What Carlin?
Every single person this was off by like eighty coins,
seventy six coins. She's off by a thousand coins after
taking like two hours longer than everybody else. I know
what is wrong with Tory.
Speaker 5: I don't know that girl. It feels like she just
completely lost where she was at or started with an
extra number. I don't know. I don't know. And yeah,
I do think that Jenny completely guessed her number. I
think that she probably got about halfway through it. And
then just had fuck it and started throwing things in.
And honestly, the smart thing to do, like it could
have been like if they had been allowed I don't
know how many coins they were allowed to take out
of the bag at the same time, but a way
to make this go real fast would be to try
and like take out potentially what you think might be
half the coins and set them on the floor next
to you and see if you can get it so
that the piles look about the same and count that
half and then just chuck the rest of them in
as fast as you can and double that half.
Speaker 4: Yep. And I think Jenny must have done something like that.
I think she didn't. I don't think she was a
pure guest. She had some system that she guessed and
it was like, yeah, and really, that's not a bad strategy.
She got more, you know, i'll call it rest than
the most than rest of them. And you know, if
it was anybody other than Jenny, I would say this
was smart. But she did it with such sort of
a bad, shitty attitude.
Speaker 5: She was Honestly, Jenny was super annoying this entire fucking
finale season entire, this entire season two. But just she
could not stop talking. Lord did she not stop talking?
And you can't understand half the ship that's coming out
of her mouth either.
Speaker 4: She's a very annoying person. I would really struggle to
like talk to her. I think, frankly, are you going.
Speaker 6: To say, Zach Oh, I was gonna say, with that
plan of like dividing, kind of divide in half. I
know last week Kylon was on Banana's podcast and they
kind of talked about that, and they said the issue
with that is, you know, the coins were all different
sizes and shapes, so it's hard to like, you know,
evenly divide because well, yeah, they weren't all unison. No.
Speaker 5: I totally get that. I think I think Johnny may
have said that. Somebody said it on the show too,
that they were all different shapes and sizes. But like
it's one of those that if you just kind of
get close to the same size, then I think you
could get pretty close to the answer. Yeah, I don't
think that you'd be off by a thousand.
Speaker 4: It was weird to me too, like, yeah, because I
think all of them had around six thousand coins, and
all of them were less than one hundred off except.
Speaker 5: For yees, so I actually have the numbers. So Jenny
was sixty fifty two, Derek was at sixty eighty eight,
Bananas was at sixty three hundred, so he was a
solid two hundred higher than those other two. Kyland was
at fifty six ninety five. I think they all must
have had slightly different numbers of coins.
Speaker 4: In that same range, didn't wasn't there a plus of
mind Jordan was it?
Speaker 5: Jordan? Was it fifty seven to seventy eight? Rachel six
and twenty three? And Tory was at sixty nine sixty four?
Speaker 4: But wasn't there a screen one time where it showed
everybody like Kyland was off so much, Jordan was off
so much, and like, I don't know, I forget what
that the numbers work.
Speaker 5: Wasn't paying attention to that point in time, Honestly, I
just fast forward through so much of this episode was.
Speaker 4: What I remember, and like, don't quote me on this,
but from what I remember, everybody was off like less
than one hundred ish or two hundred ish, and Toy
was off like a thousand, and it was like, thinks
the funck happened?
Speaker 5: I don't know it was. I was really surprised that
she got so off because I figured, like, okay, she's
staying up later, she must absolutely be like on the
money with this.
Speaker 4: Well, I want you to eat that right into the mic.
Speaker 5: And then to be as off as she was any of.
Speaker 4: The first crunch though. The first crunch, well, he's got chips.
Speaker 3: Everybody's got My microphone was off.
Speaker 4: No, let's hear it, let's hear it. Let's here a crunch.
There we go.
Speaker 5: That was a pretty good crunch.
Speaker 4: That's it, that's it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Then we're onto Yeah, because there is a round
that Tory is the only one who's still up, so
she goes upstairs and has to sing all by herself. Also,
there's I did it was great shot In Freud, Johnny
had ten coins in his hands and sat there and
the buzzer rang for them to have to go upstairs
to sing. Yeah, and he goes, oh, can't I just
I just have It's just ten coins. They told him, no,
but I can tell you the number right now. It's
just Nope, you gotta go upstairs and sing. He looked
so mad. God, I loved that. It was great.
Speaker 4: Yep, Zach no, no shade, but your boy looks like
a fucking pussy in that scene.
Speaker 6: Because I don't know if you have, like I don't
know if they had to tell the production like their
final number, but if they did, then that makes sense
me and be like, hey, I'm ready to tell you
my number, Like can I just tell you it?
Speaker 5: Yeah, they did have to tell the number, but you
had to have all all of your coins in the
box before you could say the number. Yeah, And because
he didn't do that before the buzzer, it's just.
Speaker 3: That can't be true. If Jenny just made up a number,
she still had like half her back left.
Speaker 5: Well, she shoved it all in, she shoved everything in
there and then gave them a number. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And Bananas was standing there with a with a
couple in his hand, and he kept shoving him in
when that ref was like stop, stop, stop, and Bananos
kept shoving him in for a minute. So sorry, Zach,
your boy looks like sort of a.
Speaker 5: Second there that they were going to decue him on
like I thought that they were, that he was doing
it past the buzzer and that they were going to
dque him from that one.
Speaker 4: Listen, he was doing it past the but he absolutely was,
and they should have de qued him frankly or penalized
him for something because he was not following the rules.
Speaker 5: No, they thought that's why they were showing him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like you know, this is a stupid thing.
And Zach, I understand, Like for bananas, it sucks he
has to stay but extra thirty minutes because he missed
it by ten seconds. But it's sort of like that's
what it is, Like that's the game. He fucked it up,
he didn't do it right. He deserves this gout fucking
bitching about it and sing the thing and then you
go to sleep.
Speaker 6: I don't blame Hi, because you know if I was
there and I would also be bitching, Oh.
Speaker 5: Same, I would have I probably would have done the
exact same thing. I would have been sucking, miserable and
wanting to go to bed, and like I have ten,
like ten, I just please.
Speaker 4: But we can judge other people. Great, we weren't there.
We weren't there, so we'll judge these people on completely
unrealistic standards. And no problem with that, all right.
Speaker 5: Check Point five was submerging terror. This was they had
to swim to a raft for directions and then they
get to the raft and they have to retrieve a pad.
They then have to swim to a cave, and then
they have to retrieve a paddle and they have to
swim back to the raft with the paddle, and then
they have to drive under the raft try and get
a key that's locked in a box that's wrapped in rope,
and they have to unwrap the rope and get the key,
and then unlock the canoe and then paddle back to
the boat.
Speaker 4: Big thinks, I only have one thing to say about this.
I love Jordan, and I love Jordan especially because he
never talks about his one hand. He never like fucking
makes it a thing. This was the one time I
can ever remember this guy saying anything about his one hand.
He said something like, hey, I have to row, and
it's harder for me. I've only kind of got one hand,
so it's really hard.
Speaker 5: He has only ever brought it up. He's brought it
up a few times over the years, and it has
only ever been brought up in situations like this, where
he's still fucking beast moting it out, kicking the ship
out of everybody. Yea, but he has to, like, he
has to compensate with how he's doing things like he
he makes a point of saying, like, you know, I
can't do it the same way that everybody else does. Like, yeah, Like,
there have been a few a few different episodes in
various different seasons where he's brought it up, some of
them where he's talked about how, you know, he's been disadvantced,
he was looked at as the handicapped kid is it
when he was younger, and how he's always tried to
you know, not play into that all sort of thing,
and like he's done, he's been a really good he's
done a really good job of being an advocate for
the differently abled community. But like, I think the only
time that it's really truly negatively impacted him was the
elimination where he had to climb the wall where he
did punch holes in the wall with Johnny. Yeah, well
he flipped, he flipped all the all the cards and
then had to climb the wall. That's the only time
that I think it's truly negatively affected him.
Speaker 4: There's another one I remember where we had to catch
a post the like put through a wall or something.
I don't remember all that things, But there was another
one where was very clearly like two hands is much
better than one, and it's just it. I don't know.
It's just interesting that we've never, or at least I've
never paid attention to him making an excuse like I
would have done better if I had two hands on this.
Speaker 5: Like he's never made an excuse about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this seemed like close to it to me. Maybe
I'm reading into it, but it's it was just seemed
sort of weird. I was like, Oh, now Jordan's gonna
lose because he's talking about his hand and now it's harder,
and then he's still won, and it's like, what happened?
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know. I don't see this as
him making an excuse. I see him. I see this
as something like where all of us would look at
this and be like, dude, I mean half the people
that come onto the challenge don't know how to paddle
for ship. They end up spending their boat and circles.
So I have I in my head, it was more
of a he's bringing this up because he knows that
this is something that other people are going to talk about,
and like him making a point to say like, yeah,
this is more difficult for me than it is for
most people because I don't have a hand on one
side of my body, right, So it just the few
times that he has brought it up and talked about it,
it has always It's never been in a this is
an excuse, this is why I lost type of way.
It has always been a Yeah. I mean I I
am differently able to I don't have ten fingers like
all the rest of you do.
Speaker 4: Even more had I had both hands. Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 5: Shit, look at the one where the one where he
played tugle war with fucking Josh Josh and game yeah
killed him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's I love Jordan because he never like he
never does that. He never makes excuses and thinks like, oh,
this isn't fair. They're making me do tugle war with
one hand. He thinks, oh, how do I fucking beat
this guy? I only have one hand? How do I
make this work? And then he like fucking figures it out.
I don't know, I'm just I'm always very impressed in Jordan.
Speaker 5: Yeah. The pole one, I think the pole one you
were thinking of case is that he lost to Fessian
pole wrestle.
Speaker 4: No, it was it wasn't elimination. It was a challenge
that they were like they had to like pass.
Speaker 5: Poles through a wall. Yes, and they they were. They
were the two by fours. They had to stick the
two by four through to the bottom of the wall. Yeah,
I thought you were talking about in an elimination.
Speaker 4: You had to pass the two by four or catch
it or something. And it was like he couldn't catch
it with both hands. But there was something that was
really hard.
Speaker 5: They they had to stick the pole, stick the two
by four through the wall. And there were one or
two people standing on the There were two two by fours.
You're standing on one and you're passing the other one
through the wall, and when it comes through the wall
on the other s, the other person has to grab
it and move it to the next hole. And most
of the time it's your moving the one that you
were just standing on either over you or behind your
back and then putting it through the hole on the
other side of you. So you guys can progress along
this wall. And then the other person on the other
side of the wall has to do the same with
that next one. And he tried to pass it behind
his He tried to pass one of them behind his
back and dropped it because he only has a thumb
and like a not even half of a hand on
one side, so he tried to pass it behind his
back and dropped it.
Speaker 4: Yeah that was something like that. Yeah, because he had
like hold onto a wall while also holding on to
this thing, but he couldn't do both because he's only
got one hand. Yeah, it was something like that. That
was like you were, it is significant disadvantage and yet
like not talking about that. I don't know. I just
thought that was really strange.
Speaker 5: Anyway, Yeah, it's nuts. Well, and then to also think
like he's now trying to pursue a pretty legitimate career
as a race car driver with one hand, Like, dude,
this this kid can do. Like there's nothing this kid
can't do. It's it is super impressive. Like he may
be an asshole, but it's really impressive to watch the
ship that he can do.
Speaker 6: Yeah, rating are we all gonna go on a challenge
trip to as Card to watch him?
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna start nascard right here on this right here,
on this right.
Speaker 5: Well, today they turned left and they turned left, and
then they turned left again.
Speaker 4: And they kept going.
Speaker 5: Oh and then they turned left again. Oh, but somebody
turned right and it just caused all kinds.
Speaker 4: Of Charets.
Speaker 5: Podcast done. We just put that on a loop, all right,
So if he left again he did, we have checkpoint
six with it, which is mathematical leisure. They swim to
a sandbar, do a speed math contest. If you get
it right, you get to swim back to the boat.
If you get it wrong, then you have to challenge
the next person. Last person standing on the island has
to wait there until the person who beat them makes
it all the way back to the boat and then
they can come back.
Speaker 4: So for this one, Michelle is shockingly bad at math.
I didn't know she was this bad at math. My gosh,
this poor life.
Speaker 5: And these questions weren't hard questions either, No, it was
it was like Devin asking Josh, what's eight times nine?
Speaker 4: All right? So what do you guys think about the
scene where it's Michelle she's clearly trying to pass and
Derek says like, I got you, like, I'll let you,
I'll let you win one. But then Michelle can't fucking
do it.
Speaker 5: And Derek still thinks you saw you saw his face.
Speaker 4: Right, he like wanted her to get it.
Speaker 5: Yes, he literally you could see it on his face.
He got the answer, and then he paused for a
second yep, and then paused for another second yep, and
then was like, I have given you like two or
three seconds. You should have this by now. I'm not
waiting any longer.
Speaker 4: Yep. Totally on his side, totally to me, two thousand percent.
And when he came in the he said something in
his confessional and he's like, hey, I wanted to give
her a shot, but I have to do this for
myself too, and it's like, yeah, totally, Derek, I get you.
And when you saw how it played out, Derek gave
her every shot in the world to get this and
she fucked it up, and so he took it. But
on the other hand, if he would have let her
have another few seconds, maybe she would have had an
extra fifty thousand dollars, you know what I mean, and
he wouldn't have suffered at all. So there might be
a little bit of something in there of like, uh oh,
I mean, you don't know how it's gonna work out,
but sorry, Derek, that's maybe.
Speaker 5: But I don't because who is the next person that
came up. I think she still would have been in
the same place for females.
Speaker 4: Maybe I guess was it kylind ok I got Yeah,
I don't know how it all worked.
Speaker 5: Out, And yeah, I don't because yeah, because it was
Derek came up and challenged her, and then Johnny came up,
and then Kylon came up. So if if Derek had
let her win, then Derek would have gone against Johnny
and Derek probably.
Speaker 4: That one, okay, so she would have the same place.
Speaker 5: Yeah, would the spot.
Speaker 2: I think her strategy was she could outswim whoever, just
when she.
Speaker 4: Might have beat somebody back to the boat had she
gone first, maybe, I guess. We don't know how that
works out.
Speaker 5: Johnny was Johnny was already on land. So even if
even if she had he had let her win, then
I think it looked like it was I don't know,
only it looked like it was a pretty quick change
over every time. I don't know, I could have just
been show magic. But yeah, maybe she could have beat
the person swimming, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well never well we won't know how that would
have worked out. But it's it's a weird thought.
Speaker 5: Oh that's true. Scott says that she still beat all
the girls, but Jenny back to the.
Speaker 4: Boat yeah, oh so she wouldn't be Jenny anyway, No
matter what, she wouldn't beat Jenny. Yeah, so it probably wouldn't.
It probably didn't change an thing.
Speaker 5: It was. It was just it was the two. It
was Rachel, and it was really it was her. Rachel
and Tory were also all three vuying for second place,
and really it was heard Rachel buying for a second place.
But yeah, there was no way that anyone is beating Jenny, Jenny, Jenny.
Jenny did not get the same kind of credit that
Jordan did for placing first, but Jenny placed first on
a good amount of these.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Jenny was sandbagging all season, like we can. We
can admit that now, right, she was faking these these
asthma taxi shit.
Speaker 5: Well no, I mean you could you could hear her
like her asthma going during the swims and whatnot. They
brought it up a few different times.
Speaker 4: But I really think she was. I really think she
was making herself look weaker and was probably I really
do seeing how she performed in this final, I really
I really think that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, final checkpoint checkpoint seven. They have to swim out
to a booby then use an underwater scooter to follow
underwater Boois into a cave and receive a token and
then and use those same scooters get back to the boat.
Jordan is the first one to make it into this cave,
but his goggles or something fuck up and he can't
find the token, so he's one of the last people
to come out of the cave. But every single woman
makes it back to the boat before any of the
dudes do. All four women are back at the boat
and then Jordan shows up.
Speaker 4: Yep, those scooters were badass. Uh one of those things. Yeah,
circles like a fucking tornado.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah. And then once they're back on the boat.
From checkpoint seven, we get the announcement of Okay, here
are all the points Karma boat points were worth two
checkpoint points, which I think that means they were worth
double the checkpoint points.
Speaker 4: I think that's the better way to sum that up.
Speaker 5: Yet, but he kept saying they're worth two checkpoints because
that means that they are Like, I don't know, it
sounded weird. You just you should have just said they
were worth double what the checkpoints are, Yeah, because that
made more sense to me. But I could have that wrong.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: For the men the Karma vote didn't really matter because
even with the Karma vote points, it looked like the
point spread was far enough out there that it didn't
that nothing changed because of it.
Speaker 4: But Derek got closer. I mean, they didn't change the placings,
but Derek did. It was a closer second because of that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he got a little bit closer, but it didn't
change the placement. So first place was Jordan, second place
was Derek, third place was Johnny, and fourth place was Kyland,
which I mean we all knew anyway, because like, Jordan
fucking annihilated everyone in this in this final as he did.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Johnny sucked. Yeah, Like, I see what you're
saying about watching Johnny age. Yeah, saw it, saw it
right before our eyes with a spile right here.
Speaker 6: Yep, yep.
Speaker 5: I was really excited to see Derek a second. I
thought that was great. I mean it really did show
like how good of a competitor he actually is, considering
what a fluff player he was back in the day.
Speaker 6: I hate to say it, but I think it's time
for Bananas to go to All Stars and race Cyrus
in the final.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's done, because the challenge is done. There's gonna
be no more new episodes ever.
Speaker 6: For that, I doubt that.
Speaker 3: I hope.
Speaker 5: So all right for the women, the karma vote did
actually come into play. Fourth place is Tory, which again
we all kind of I think everybody knew going into this.
Third place with Michelle.
Speaker 2: I feel like her vacation alliance quote unquote, she's realized
she's got real soft play in this game toy she needs. Yeah,
she needs to get back on the horse and get Yeah,
I think back in shape and back into like a
good social game of some sort.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it feels like she's been very protected the last
few games, and that's just kind of carried her.
Speaker 4: I don't know. She talked to this like she won
a bunch of challenges this time and at least one elimination, right,
Like she worked for this. But final, this.
Speaker 3: Final performance was embarrassing.
Speaker 4: This final performance terrible for yes, for sure, and I
think she thought it was going to be pretty easy
for her. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Third place was Michelle, who was knocked down from second
place because of the Karma vote. Yeah, there was no
second place because Rachel went. Rachel went from third to
tying with Jenny for first, which I did not think
was something they would do, because then they split the
fir the first place prize between Jenny and Rachel, and
both of them are a static and jumping up and down,
and I, as I was watching this show, this is
the first time that I have actually agreed with Zach
on this game is not rigged, because in my head
it was. There is no way in hell production would
have actually let them tie. They would have done some
ridiculous thing where one of them, where you know, Rachel
ekes it out by one point because she came back
from a million years And the moment that they said
that they were splitting first place, I was like, maybe
maybe it's not rigged.
Speaker 3: I don't care if it was rigged or not. It's
complete bullshit.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's so fucking stupid.
Speaker 3: There should have been a tiebreaker.
Speaker 2: And the thing I would say is the it should
have been the karma vote. Whoever got more of a
Karma vote yes, which would have been Rachel.
Speaker 4: Oh why do you Why would that have been? Why
would why would you have settled that way? Would have
done the other way.
Speaker 2: It's the only thing I could think of that somebody
did better than somebody else.
Speaker 4: I would have said whoever did better in the final
would have won it. If I had to cheat, you know,
between who did bet at the Karma versus who did
bet at the final, I would have.
Speaker 2: J made a big stink about you know, how you
treat people matters. Yes, and you we told the people
eliminated people.
Speaker 3: He's like, you could be making a choice of who wins.
Speaker 4: Yeah, then Rachel, Rachel could Si gets second place and
Michelle could get third. You know, like do a swaper
ruin instead of swip instead of splitting first.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know that was advocate.
Speaker 4: Yeah, who knows.
Speaker 5: It felt weird to me that they that they combined it.
And to Scott's points, Scott says, did they combine first
and second place money? They didn't explicitly say it, but
I think the assumption is yes.
Speaker 3: They total they gave it was four seventy five.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they said that.
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, oh did they.
Speaker 4: Yea, yes, they'll be splitting that so yeah, two thirty
seven ish or whatever that ends up being.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, nothing to shake a stick at. But
at the same time, like if you're going for that
first place of four hundred grand, like yeah.
Speaker 4: So what do you guys think and when it turned
when it when you talk about Challenge champs, like, Rachel
is already a champ, so she remains a champ. But
does this count as a championship for her? Is she
a three time champ? Are we counting this?
Speaker 5: I mean, Jenny's also already a champ.
Speaker 4: Well sure, but I mean and and I think Jenny
should count as one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but Rachel.
Speaker 4: Like again, I don't know. I think there's some, there's some,
there's some.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like, yeah, I feel like this will
this will forever live as one of those ones with
a little asterisk next to it. Like, yes, she did
place first, but like like half of the half of
the final.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. It's like Hunter won Final Reckoning, but he
didn't when he didn't get any money.
Speaker 5: So well yeah Hunter Sarah Like it's it's those people
who who won their season but didn't get any money
for it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and this is the opposite. Rachel got money. Did
she win? I don't know. People seem kind of torn
whether this is fair or not.
Speaker 6: I think she won, Like I think the Karma vote thing,
like I said, I saw it was stupid. If they're
gonna they should only have time. But that's the rules
of the season. And like it or not, like she
won based on the rules of the season.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, still say bullshit.
Speaker 4: Yeah I do too.
Speaker 3: I don't. I mean, there shouldn't.
Speaker 2: Be a first, third, and fourth, Yeah and fourth, that's
how it should work.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, and there's something that really rubs me the
wrong way about elevating a player. And I know, and
I like Rachel by the way, from third to first,
based on these rules that nobody even knew were coming,
Like nobody played with this in mind or comedy. There's
definitely a part of me that's like, well, Rachel, what
did you do to deserve that? Like you just this
was luck. Like I understand it's the relationship you made,
blah blah blah, but it's like it's a lot of luck.
Speaker 5: But I mean, this is this is what I mean.
But it kind of feels like you guys are talking
out to both sides your mouth. Because we have we
have talked for years about how like gameplay in the house,
the relationships between all of the character, all the characters,
all the players are a big deal. Like that is
a huge part of this game. It's a massive strategic
part of this game. So yeah. I mean they may
not have known about the karma points, but you still
have to, like, you still have to play a good
game in the house and on the field, like if
you if you lose one of those things and you're
not gonna do well in this game.
Speaker 4: That's the point. Carl and Rachel did very poorly on
the field in the final and still got first, like
that just second.
Speaker 5: But Jenny did. Jenny did really shitty in the house
and still did really well on the field, And it
just it. It's one of those like there, I feel
like they're both a huge part of the challenge. You
have to be really good in the house and you
have to be really good on the field in order
to have these things. Yeah, but the I don't know,
it just it. I don't have as much a problem
with it as you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I really do. It feels like a big part
to be sprung on somebody. That's like we've talked a
lot of this show, like we never know the rules
right away, but we we always know the rules before
the final before you're like fucking done with the final,
where it's like, hey, you might have destroyed everything and
done really well, but you might have still also.
Speaker 3: Lost, Jacqueline says, yeah, but still.
Speaker 4: Okay, good point. Also, by the way, Jacqueline my counterpoint
to the yab But still, this is also a really
shitty way to do a final because it's more fun
to watch them end and then you know they've won.
It is super not cool to watch them all just
standing there and it's like you're all just sort of like, well,
who won, Like we're all fucking done. Now. Tell us
some some points, TJ.
Speaker 2: Especially the way TJ like announced it with the guys.
He's like, oh, first place, Jordan, Oh yeah, he did.
Speaker 5: It real quick, like first, second, third, fourth. Oh, there's
not even any build up to this one right.
Speaker 4: Where where's the scene where you're touching the flag and
you're like, TJ, did I get it?
Speaker 5: Is it me? Oh?
Speaker 4: You know, it's like, oh, you're just stay out on
a boat. You're just standing there. You don't even look tired,
you're not breathing hard or nothing. Like hours later, probably.
Speaker 5: David says, is Rachel a champ for this season or
just miscongeniality?
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, David, you get the point of my question.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I I'm okay with it. At the
same time, Michelle got completely fucked. Yeah, like that sucks.
Speaker 4: Yeah for Michelle. Yeah, and she showed to this tenacity.
I love Michelle. She's great, Like she this is the
this is the lady that like never fucking stops Wolfie
and Bananas. At least you remember her on War of
the Worlds. She played for the bottom the whole time.
She fucked up that whole game. She just like she
just like kept going.
Speaker 5: She just like, yeah, I don't know, Michelle's brought on
me a little bit, but there she still has her
moments where she just nois the funk out of me.
Speaker 6: But Michelle is on the world.
Speaker 4: I met winners at War. Sorry, winters at War?
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 5: I thought you were talking about the last season that
she was.
Speaker 4: On My Challenge. When when is it War Survivor the
second time she played Survivor, where she like, yeah, terrible,
she played a terrible game, but she kept fighting like
she didn't stop the whole time. She kept going. And
she plays third in a game of Survivor against every
other Survivor winner, like it's pretty good.
Speaker 6: I think, I mean, yes, she did. But I also
felt like that season I was not how much shelf
fan that season, I feel like they kind of saw
her position, like this girl has no power, no friends,
She's just easy to drag along to the end and
get an easy win over. So like, yes, she went far,
but I don't think it's of her own gameplay.
Speaker 4: Maybe. But she didn't stop, is my point. She didn't quit,
She just kept she kept going.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, Tim, I don't know what is up
with your internet, but pre show is only ninety seven percent.
Speaker 4: What I see fifty three, so we're doing just.
Speaker 2: I just look to see how much of this episode
of yours has already uploaded, and it's twenty two.
Speaker 4: Lord, all right, well sorry, I guess I was definitely
my computer on all night.
Speaker 5: All right, I got that was the season, and you
know I was. It was rolling through the credits, and
then the best thing that could have possibly ever happened happened,
and we got what is going on over there? Za?
Speaker 4: Meet your phone? Jesus Christ, what are you doing?
Speaker 5: Yeah? We have here stuff in the background. The best
thing that could have ever happened happened. We got the
last scene of the entire show was CT pro tip.
Speaker 3: What is this? What is this?
Speaker 5: I like tage a book by its cover?
Speaker 3: Yeah, just the.
Speaker 4: Return of the CT pro tip Tim didn't need made me.
Speaker 5: It made me irrationally happy.
Speaker 3: Yea, I'm with you. Carlin fucked him. It's just sad.
This is melting down on social media.
Speaker 5: That's part of social media.
Speaker 3: That's part of it.
Speaker 4: It's like, let's leave leave this guy alone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but this was This is good CT. This is
not melt down CT. This is good CT.
Speaker 4: I know, Swanny says. It seems kind of random. Yeah,
it seemed like a little bit.
Speaker 5: Oh, I loved it. I loved that they like they
pulled it out of the like, oh here, we're gonna
give you one nice, more little tasty morsel.
Speaker 4: Wolfy Carlin, this is masturbation. This is challenge masturbation. It's
just CT fucking masturbate to this fucking gay.
Speaker 5: I have no problem with that. Well, there you go,
no problem with that at all.
Speaker 4: It was fine, but it was random and it was
weird and CT made no like impact on the season
at all. It was weird.
Speaker 5: No, he didn't, but that's okay. I love him anyway.
Speaker 4: It was also weird. It was kind of cool seeing
them read the Karma vote of like these people I
forgot played this season like Oh, yeah, Katie was Oh
Jody was there my seven months ago? How can I
remember that?
Speaker 5: I understand I fast forwarded through so much of this episode.
Speaker 4: Did you miss Jody? Jody was there for having second.
Speaker 5: Every time they started talking about Karma. I don't, I don't,
I don't half of these things we've seen already. I
don't care. I don't care. I just want to get through.
Like this entire finale could have been a single episode.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that too, But I did like
the like there was like a flashback of a lot
of the winners right in a row right. I don't
know if it was all forty of them, but it
showed like the last scene of a lot of finales. Zach,
I was kind of into that. It's nice to like
reminisce for a second or two at a time. No, Nope,
Well they didn't care. I looked for I looked for
Kenny and Evan. I did not see them in that ensemble.
Speaker 5: That's priced.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they're trying to wash them out
of the challenge. Existence.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they haven't showed them the challenge in years. They're
not going to do that ever.
Speaker 4: Again, did you catch them Zach in the background anything
during that weird little flashback moment.
Speaker 6: I didn't, but I also wasn't looking specifically for to
go check again.
Speaker 2: The best part, as Patty points out, is that Carr
gave Banana's one star and said we're Sarah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I did like that too.
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 5: People may not like Sarah. But Johnny has been dining
out on the fact that he stole the money for
literal years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well that is true karma, right that he gets
a one for for that, Like, that's a true yeah,
Jacquelin says it too. Yep, there is.
Speaker 5: Unfortunately didn't do anything for his game.
Speaker 4: So yeah, but he lost, And Zach, I do think
this was this is a loss from Bananas for being
an old man. Now. I think, uh, a younger, a younger,
a younger Bananas would.
Speaker 6: Have And I know they're starting to bring like the
young kids onto All Stars. But I need n't have
gone All Stars and he have final like him Cyrus,
you know a bunch of kefla. I need Banans to
go kick their asses.
Speaker 4: But Zach, don't you think there's also something we said
for like this argument of like who's the greatest of
all time? And then you see him head to head
and and Jordan just destroys Banana.
Speaker 3: Arlen, I know why you're laughing.
Speaker 5: No, I know it's wrong. I know it is. But
EDWARDO just posted in the chat room. MTV doesn't allow
Kenny Evan and toothbrushes to be shown on the Challenge anymore.
Ye stay laughing at that. That is not an okay
thing to be laughing at. If you don't know why
I'm laughing, then you need to go on the look
up shock type those three words in type Kenny Evan,
toothbrushes in the Challenge and too google.
Speaker 6: Yeah. But and to answer your questions him, no, because
Jordan is still his mid thirties. He's like sons prime,
so to say like, oh, he's gained astic.
Speaker 5: By in his prime, Jordan, Yeah, I'm still in my prime.
Speaker 2: Then David wants to know tim is your stance on
toothbrush porn in the same.
Speaker 4: Stands on straightboard or stock porn, which is, oh, let's
combine them. I'm stuck in a I'm stuck in a
dryer and I need to brush my teeth. Jesus, I
mean I'm into both, you know whatever warmholes I don't think.
Speaker 5: I don't think the Tim likes toothbrushes for the same
reason that Tim doesn't like women putting on makeup. I
feel like it falls in that same category.
Speaker 4: Well, toothbrush, I'm okay watching people brush their teeth, but
make but not spray paint spray paint on their teeth either.
Speaker 5: Okay, spray paint on your teeth versus.
Speaker 4: Very different, very different. I'm okay, I'm okay.
Speaker 5: Put makeup on your face.
Speaker 4: No, that's a private thing. That's a private behind closed doors.
I don't even see that behind shut that.
Speaker 5: I feel like there's a more private thing than makeup.
Speaker 4: Do you really brush your teeth? Like, would you rather
would you rather hang on hang on hand? Would you rather,
like a strange dude, watch you brush your teeth or
put on deodorant, which is a more like intimate thing.
You don't care, that's the same things, that's the same.
Speaker 5: Neither of those things intimate.
Speaker 4: It or makeup or or brushing your teeth, those are.
Speaker 6: Also the more intimate, just because totally you're lifting your
shirt up.
Speaker 4: It's fully more inturate, no question about it. The odorant
is more intimate.
Speaker 5: Than toothsure for the collar or like.
Speaker 4: Even that is more intimate than toothbrushing. It's not. It's
not close, Karlin, How dare you even assume that that's close?
Speaker 5: I don't feel like any I mean, I yeah, I
feel like all of these things are on the same hm. Honestly,
it's like the difference for me is like taking a
ship versus putting on the odorant.
Speaker 4: Like that's the that's the difference you get to wolf
is ready to just be done. You guys, Hey, listen
to the after show if you guys want to hear
us talk more about I'm sure.
Speaker 5: I'm sure that this will just evolve into more ridiculous conversations.
Speaker 4: People really want to know what we think. They really
need to know what we think about this.
Speaker 5: Okay, So do we want to do the public fantasy League?
Speaker 6: Go for it?
Speaker 5: So, oh, what happens if we don't have a winner?
Speaker 6: Well, we do have a winner, yeah, but she.
Speaker 5: Currently hosts the podcast, so I can't guest host.
Speaker 4: You gotta split it with we gotta split it with
the other person.
Speaker 6: Kim Wolfe and I gave our second place person our
karma vote.
Speaker 4: Oh no, otherwise you gotta go. You gotta do something
real fucked up where you say every other word, can
you do that?
Speaker 5: All? Right? So people did apparently not did not take
my advice two weeks ago when I said that I
only had six players left and I was putting two
on the last week and then put four to this
week because this is the big week, like Tim didn't
put anything for this week and put all of them
on last week when there wasn't anything. You can get
all your huge points today.
Speaker 4: But is no regrets, no regrets.
Speaker 5: Ultimately we finished the season. I am in first with
three thy six hundred and fifty two. I touched Johnny bananas.
There's Johnny's banana. Garrett H finished second with thirty five
forty nine. So, Garrett H, if we continue this, if
the world does not evolve into a hellscape, yea mad Max,
Let's go Dystopia in the next two weeks, and we
actually have a podcast for All Stars five. We will
you will get to guest host an episode.
Speaker 4: We got you, Garrett, We got you.
Speaker 5: So reach out to the Facebook, which we haven't reached
out to.
Speaker 4: We have some sort of plan for this, right, We
do have an email address that we never use, and true,
do you have email?
Speaker 3: Nobody checks it.
Speaker 5: I mean you can reach out on the Facebook or
the Instagram or any of.
Speaker 4: Us the Instagram that hey, good luck on my phone,
we talked to you soon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, message on one of those platforms, and we will
coordinate a night for you to come in guest host
with us or and then.
Speaker 2: If nobody does, then I guess Carlin's boyfriend will have
to take us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the name close enough?
Speaker 5: Uh if he if he's here, it's super close. You
were the one who you were the one who thought
that that was him.
Speaker 4: Man, I did it so drunk. I can't wait. If
I could, I would stop. I can't too much good.
Speaker 5: And then third place is take the money and run.
Jeremy C with thirty four sixty four and our big
uncle sweet Tea last week was in fourth place. He
shot his load too early and didn't hold any people
for this week, so he didn't put any points in
for this week, so he is he's down at seven.
Speaker 4: I would have I listen, I would have itted up
the same place because the players I had to not win,
so it didn't matter.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but did they Okay, they didn't win, but you
would have gotten more points because I had Uh, I
didn't have Derek Tith back, you would have gotten more points.
Speaker 4: Listen, there's there's no way I would have gotten even
fifth place. Frankly, I might have I might have beaten
sixth place, but I really don't think my point's matter.
I mean, it's I forget.
Speaker 5: I think you would have beat sixth place. You might
have gotten closer, Carlyn.
Speaker 4: Can you let me just be happy and satisfied with
myself please in this No, dude, literally, I was so
proud of myself and now, Carl, Hey, I'm done. I'm done.
Let's move on.
Speaker 5: I opened the app last week and was like, oh fuck.
I really hope that Tim was right when he was
like truthful when he said that he was using all
of his players this week because he's gonna beat me
next week if he has any more players. No, because
I wasn't third and you were in fourth.
Speaker 4: Carlin, there's I'm four hundred points behind you. I was
never gonna catch you. I was never good. There's no
way I could have played these last couple of weeks
and caught you. So I'm fine with my placing and
I should be out of that and stop judging me. Please. No,
I think it's fucking great, Van Bananas, I beat the
fucking ship out of you. I don't need to take
Carlin's ships because I placed a few complimenting you. Fuck
yours up, Hey, fuck you Carlin. To move on. I
know I got I got real harsh.
Speaker 3: Halfway through, real harsh, and.
Speaker 4: We'll be back.
Speaker 5: I was complimenting you, sir.
Speaker 4: I got mean, I got mean. I'm done. I'm done
with negotiating this. No, I thought it was I was
David David, head of you, Carlin, very excited for you.
David says, I win, So I win, Thanks David.
Speaker 3: Sim's going to go host son.
Speaker 5: All right. And then Zachi Bananas made it into seventeenth
with twenty eight thirty six and then for our budget
League for a crisp Virtual high five, Peter B congratulations,
c T phone home, Peter, Chris pig five.
Speaker 4: Is that the main guy? That is that the main
We have two Peters. One is a patron. One is
the main guy that runs this fucking thing.
Speaker 5: I don't actually know. Hold on, I might be able
to find out. Uh, because Peter shows up on our
thing every once in a while.
Speaker 4: Peter Peter on the chair.
Speaker 5: Uh yeah, I'm pretty sure. Peter b is the guy
who runs all of us.
Speaker 4: Well he cheated?
Speaker 5: Sure whatever? Uh yeah, so Peter Bee, congratulations Chrispy five.
And then second place was I touched Johnny's banana, and
third place was me, I give up that one. Yeah.
The Host League, even even with Zach trading away three
of his players.
Speaker 4: Not trading giving donating don three of.
Speaker 5: His players, he still beat the absolute fucking pants off
of all of us.
Speaker 4: Well done, Zach, Well then.
Speaker 5: Absolutely nuts he in, at least on the online version.
He ended up at four three hundred and seventy six points,
and the closest person was Wolfy with three four hundred
and eight.
Speaker 4: Was I still?
Speaker 5: Was?
Speaker 4: I still fourth? Even?
Speaker 5: Yes? You were? You and I Tim were down in
the two thousand range. So he doubled your score, he
almost doubled mine. They Zach did a good job on
picking his people this week here this year. Yeah, so
way go you will do? What do you set up
another one for All Stars five?
Speaker 3: But what does what does Zach have for the Host League?
Or did he stop tabulating it?
Speaker 6: I stopped tagling because we started using the online one
and it wasn't even close. I was like, yeah, there's
no one coming back apparently with the online one with
the drama points, you guys might have a chance to
come back ammy giving him half my team.
Speaker 5: No even there.
Speaker 4: I think the weekly ones are more fun. I don't know,
there's too much luck involving just guess randomly the front,
you know what I mean, Like I get the point
of it. But yeahbody that's desperately in fourth both times
not into this one.
Speaker 5: So really quickly for the weekly one four All Stars five,
I also played in the one that, like the the
one that the creator the site put together, and he
set it up so that once they got down to
like half of the contestants were gone, then he changed
it from five picks a week down to four picks
a week, or sorry, from four picks a week down
to five to four, and then once it got down
to fifteen contestants left, he went four to three. So
if we do this weekly pick thing again for All Stars,
do we want to potentially do that or just kind
of give everybody Let's take.
Speaker 4: That off line, let's figure that out. Let's figure that out.
Speaker 6: And I know we talked about doing that this season.
I didn't love doing it, like mid season. I think
if we decide to ahead of time, like, hey, at
this point in time, we're going to do this, and
I'm more open to that.
Speaker 4: Zach, I'm with you, man late. I mean, me and
Zac on the same boat, Like, tell us the rules
ahead of time and we all will We're good otherwise
otherwise we're gonna throw a fit. I know.
Speaker 5: I was trying. I was trying to benefit everybody. I
was trying to benefit everybody.
Speaker 4: No, no, it did not, No, it did not.
Speaker 6: I mean Bestad Carlin apparently, yeah, cal benefit.
Speaker 5: I mean it wouldn't matter either way.
Speaker 4: Apparently Carl who finished first place. Things, I would have
finished more in first place. I had have been able
to change the rules though. You know, Carl, everything that's
wrong with America.
Speaker 5: Congratulations, help everybody out.
Speaker 4: You were trying to yourself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so listeners percolate on that. If you have big
thoughts one way or the other, let us know or
in review that we can't but we can't read everybody.
Speaker 3: Header challenge pot dot Com joined the Facebook group.
Speaker 2: You can also draw our patre on what do people
get when they joined a pay.
Speaker 4: Paid Thank you will be a great intro. Hey, guys,
the LP is done. It is done. It is finished,
it is submitted to this Kunaki website for distribution. It
is ready to order. The problem is that this website
is still backed up from holiday orders, so this record
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when things are ready to order. In the meantime, I
can sound like a virtual link. You can listen to
it and look at the awesome album artwork. It's great
and I got it done before the end of the season,
so pat myself on the back.
Speaker 5: Well, thanks for putting that together.
Speaker 4: Tim, Yeah, welcome. Also for five bucks you get access
to the discord which willfe checks once every month, Carlon
checks it once every year. And also we say your name,
So thank you to Peter, Emily, Steven, Jamie, Gretchen, Eduardo
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and Greg Thank you, everybody. You're nobody's nobody's helping me
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that's it.
Speaker 5: You keep our lights on.
Speaker 3: How to review places. I don't know who cares.
Speaker 4: Oh, but we did get those emails? Are the voicemails
that he told me to listen to that I said
we played and then it turns out we didn't play them,
but they ended up on the record. So to that
listener that wondered why we didn't play her voicemails, they
are on the record.
Speaker 3: Yay.
Speaker 4: I forget what her name was.
Speaker 3: Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's all right, Well on the record, world.
Speaker 3: We don't know.
Speaker 2: We don't understand how stuff works. I'm playing on going
back to my space in.
Speaker 4: A long season?
Speaker 5: Is my space even still around?
Speaker 3: It's around?
Speaker 5: God, can you imagine if my space takes off again?
Speaker 6: Oh it's got too man, you guys would all be
in my copy.
Speaker 5: I feel like this is an after show because I
feel like this is going to evolve real fast.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I just do do we have any social
media stuff you want to talk about?
Speaker 6: Zay? We do have a few things. I have some
news that I think we'll get Tim and Wilfe excited
if you believe them. Dovemo has confirmed that in February
we will have the finalized list for season forty one
to go film.
Speaker 4: Yep, we'll see, we'll see. I remain skeptical.
Speaker 3: I'm not excited.
Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, because I know how much you
love these seasons, and.
Speaker 3: So we can stop this podcast, stop the insanity.
Speaker 4: I've come around on this. I was in Wolfred's place
like a year and Afrigo, I feel like I moved
past it. I want the challenge to continue forever. But
I do think it's over. I think it's over. I do,
I really do. I think it's over.
Speaker 6: I mean, dous Bow has a hissy of being very accurate.
So if they're saying, like, hey, there's already been confirmation
that final calls will be made in February, I feel
like they've been accurate in the past. Why doubt them now?
Speaker 4: I'll tell you why I doubt them now. There's all
this shit right with MTV. It's like being sold off.
It's like things are happening. There's newspaper, there's articles all
the time, but this new company that's like whatever doing
all this stuff. Paramounts is also a Paramount plus is
obviously like not doing well, and now they've just moved
All Stars five from Paramount to MTV, and I think
it's to purge all this content to get it new
so that they can sell it without like a backlog
of shit. At least that's what I've read. So I
don't know. So whoever buys it, it's just going to
really depend on whether they see this show is profitable
or not. And a show that has been like the
World Championship canceled, CBS version, canceled, the international versions, canceled
MTV version, like not doing so hot. I don't know.
A new investor I think might just be like, at
we're done, but we'll see.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I feel like they did a good job
of like bringing forty around and they'd finish on a
somewhat high note lake, which I mean, we all did
shows do.
Speaker 6: But we did see at the end of this episode
that Jordan has confirmed he's gonna be here for season fifty,
so we've got at least done more to go.
Speaker 4: I hope that this is right, but I mean, I
don't know. I don't I don't have a lot of
faith right now to be honest.
Speaker 6: Yes, for any of us who our listeners enjoyed international
reality shows, They've announced the cast of Love Island UK
All Stars, which features a Cheap Time Challenge champion Calve,
Gabby from Double Agents, and Curtis who was on the
Challenge UK. For anyone that watched that one.
Speaker 5: None of us don't remember any of these people.
Speaker 6: You're married, cav she want to want to?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 4: Sorry I misheard you didn't Gabby hook up with just
like the blonde check? Yes, German the mole.
Speaker 6: No, that's uh came her name. That's a different girl.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, people too many new people over the
past couple of seasons.
Speaker 4: Definitely, uh, Corey yesterday Colleen Colleen.
Speaker 5: Was the German girl.
Speaker 6: Corey posted that uh yesterday he had surgery on his
a c L from when he tore facing josh An elimination.
So thoughts and prayers to Corey that he rehabs and
uh we have we have an update on uh the
Top ten money leaderboard following the season.
Speaker 5: Meltdown.
Speaker 6: No, I mean CC's melting dumb for like the last month.
But but Jordan has jumped from third to first with
the most money won.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 4: One point four million, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he is a one point five million now.
Speaker 4: One point five across all of his wins.
Speaker 6: Yep.
Speaker 5: And he's going to keep coming back until season fifty.
Speaker 6: And Jenny jumps up into number six all time.
Speaker 4: Yeap, Banana's lost. Bananas was number three and now he's
number He was number two and now he's number three.
Right yeah.
Speaker 6: CT was number one and now CT's number two.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, all right.
Speaker 4: And and in in light of Jordan's last win here,
if we're going to revisit the goat conversation, I think
it's Jordan, Like I just think, like there's no debate anymore, right,
It's it's it's Jordan.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think they're still debate to me.
Speaker 5: Of course you do.
Speaker 3: I do.
Speaker 5: No, one hundred percent at Jordan, because there's no way
in hell Johnny could do all this ship with just
one hand.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 4: And Bena says it's it's all about the number of wins.
I disagree. I think that that's not about that, And uh.
Speaker 6: I think I think it might not always help people.
Look at like Tom Brady in the NFL, people don't
know how many career passing yards you have, how many
individual games you want all that they know is he's
the best. Why because of how many super Bowls you won?
How many championships? Yes, well he wants to Banana.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think that Bananza's wins are as impressive.
I think I think Jordan. Yeah, I think Jordan's the goat. Really,
I think it's either him or CT and then, uh,
I don't Bananza is up there. He's up there, but
he's not He's not number well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, not denying that Bananas is good at this game.
I have never denied that. But Jordan is one the
goat of this show.
Speaker 2: And Chris points out Johnny's first four wins are bullshit
team wins.
Speaker 5: Truth.
Speaker 6: Okay, that doesn't matter. He's one team, individual and duos.
He's won every.
Speaker 4: So is Jordan.
Speaker 5: Jordan won a team war.
Speaker 4: The world's too what you want to one of the
excess right one and one of the rivals.
Speaker 6: That's right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he won the chaz We were just talking about
her kaz Ca.
Speaker 6: Yeah, whatever, that's true. I'm selling the team Bananas. You
know who else is this? Kylon So Kylon did say
on his interview with Bananas, Bananas in his opinions to
go until someone matches or surpasses wins.
Speaker 3: Scott also points out Jordan won a final with a
broken leg.
Speaker 4: Dude, that dirty thirty final was pretty bad ass, And
how cool is it that he won the thirty and
the forty final. I didn't put that together till just now.
Speaker 6: That's kind of go oh, yeah, that's why he's coming
back for fifty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I don't think we've talked about it since we
last recorded. But spoiler alert for anyone that's two weeks
behind on this, but uh haw Savillains did end and
West came in second place. He came in, Yeah, second
place is a tie, and.
Speaker 5: Then like just ended. I thought that was like months ago.
Speaker 6: And they're like two weeks ago, but we haven't really
podcasted since it ended. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I didn't watch any of that, but I know it
was sort of controversial and he maybe should have won
but didn't in a bitter jury type of situation. I
don't know the details.
Speaker 6: Yeah, basically, he dominated the entire season. He came down
to the end. It was like, you know, a tiede vote,
so the third place person, you know, because it was
a final three, they got to divide, you know. Uh
decide who won and break the tie. And he basically
told Wes like, get on your knees and beg to
me and tell me that, like you are pathetic and horrible,
and if you do that, I will give you the win.
And West got down and begged and said I'm pathetic,
and guys like, great, I'm still voting for the other person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I have no input because I didn't watch the thing. Yeah,
I know that he was like justifying how he pleaded
and he was about to make a TV show and non.
Speaker 6: No, yeah, I mean we said afterwards he's like, yeah,
he's like, you know, I thought there's a good chance
he went vote for me even if I did beg.
But you know he wasn't. He definitely wasn't good vote
for me if I didn't. So I had nothing to
lose at that point. It's worth the risk.
Speaker 4: Yeah there.
Speaker 6: So But yeah, now Bananas and West both second place
on Hat Civillain. So, I guess who do we need
Jordan's for season three? If Jordan can finally win it
for the challenge.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he would do well in a
situation like that.
Speaker 3: Jordan Jordan wants.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Jordan Jordan doesn't want to be in a house
where he's doing nothing. But yeah, Jordan, Jordan needs like
actual like games to play and their challenges to do.
And I don't feel like the villains would have the
kind of things that he needs.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean they do challenges. I mean it's definitely
not like running, you know, a two day marathon, but.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yep, please, all right, hey everybody, thanks for joining
us for season forty.
Speaker 3: Thank god it's finally fucking over. Uh, we'll be.
Speaker 2: Back in a couple of weeks for All Stars five.
That's the end of the challenge. That's the end of
the challenge, challenge after we promise.
Speaker 6: It's last.
Speaker 3: So I guess for this episode has been Brian Big Hooka, Sweet.
Speaker 6: Teeth, Carlin san Diego, Lucky Bananas.
Speaker 3: And is uh uh I don't know.
Speaker 2: T J said, Rachel, you came all the way from
third place to the first place because challenge is stupid.
Speaker 8: Charlie's chie