WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.120 So, Jay Dyer, how are you doing. 2 00:00:02.399 --> 00:00:05.040 I'm doing great, Glad to be in Vegas, having a 3 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:07.400 lot of fun. We did multiple podcasts, but this is 4 00:00:07.440 --> 00:00:09.480 the one I'm looking forward to for sure. I enjoyed 5 00:00:09.480 --> 00:00:11.119 the hotch Ones too, but yeah, it is. 6 00:00:11.080 --> 00:00:13.279 A phenomenal honor to have you on. I can't thank 7 00:00:13.279 --> 00:00:14.720 you enough for coming on. 8 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:15.160 Thank you. 9 00:00:15.359 --> 00:00:16.719 How was it with the Hodge Twes? 10 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:20.719 It was great. You never really know what to expect 11 00:00:20.760 --> 00:00:23.960 because they are kind of uh wild cards. You don't 12 00:00:23.960 --> 00:00:25.320 know what they're going to talk about, but I know 13 00:00:25.440 --> 00:00:28.679 they're going to talk about a Ran, Israel and Epstein files. 14 00:00:28.679 --> 00:00:30.359 So we spent I think about an hour and a 15 00:00:30.399 --> 00:00:32.439 half just kind of going wild. But they also like 16 00:00:32.759 --> 00:00:36.600 race jokes, so I impersonate them, which they actually love. 17 00:00:36.640 --> 00:00:39.600 They laughed harder at that than anything else. Hard twin, 18 00:00:39.679 --> 00:00:42.280 you don't think Islam is based? You don't think Islam 19 00:00:42.320 --> 00:00:44.920 based And I was like, you guys sound like fat Albert. 20 00:00:44.920 --> 00:00:46.159 They thought that was funny. 21 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:48.799 Oh well, we have to link it in the video 22 00:00:48.840 --> 00:00:50.200 description it went. 23 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:52.439 It was. It was very serious though, like it's like 24 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:54.520 we're joking around, but we also got really deep into 25 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:58.159 like why we do anything that Bbie wants you know 26 00:00:58.280 --> 00:00:59.119 pretty much. 27 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:04.040 So unfortunate. So you are King of the ortho Ros, 28 00:01:04.680 --> 00:01:10.799 you do geopolitical you have written scripts for television programs, 29 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:17.480 you are a published author, you do comedy. What am 30 00:01:17.480 --> 00:01:18.239 I missing here? 31 00:01:19.959 --> 00:01:22.319 Debates? I guess was the other thing that we actually 32 00:01:22.359 --> 00:01:27.079 accidentally fell into doing, and that was something that wasn't planned. 33 00:01:27.200 --> 00:01:29.439 There was an offer ten years ago, hey would you 34 00:01:29.519 --> 00:01:32.879 debate this atheist libertarian guy, Adam Kokish, And I was like, yeah, sure, 35 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:35.079 why not? And then it was hey, will you debate 36 00:01:35.120 --> 00:01:37.719 this other atheist guy, Jfgary Eppie? Yeah, sure, why not? 37 00:01:38.159 --> 00:01:41.040 So that kind of just kicked off a snowball of 38 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:43.120 offers and I was always like, well I don't want 39 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:44.920 to say no. Yeah sure, So. 40 00:01:44.959 --> 00:01:47.599 How okay, so how did you first end up coming 41 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:50.239 into the Orthodox Church or coming across it? If we 42 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:51.640 just get the summary of that. 43 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:57.400 So I remember I was raised Baptist, wasn't super serious 44 00:01:57.439 --> 00:01:59.400 about it as a kid, but when I was in 45 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:02.799 high school get more interested in going to Bible studies 46 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:06.719 and visiting with various denominations of friends. When someone of 47 00:02:06.760 --> 00:02:09.680 the Church of Christ, Charismatic churches, and even I think 48 00:02:09.680 --> 00:02:11.479 I went to the Callacters one time in high school. 49 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:16.960 But I would say right around nineteen ninety eight ninety nine, 50 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:21.639 I started noticing challenges on the Internet to Protestantism and 51 00:02:21.639 --> 00:02:25.080 Calvinism from Catholics. And I would go into like Yahoo 52 00:02:25.199 --> 00:02:28.120 chat and Instant Messenger rooms and do you remember those rooms? 53 00:02:28.439 --> 00:02:30.840 And I would debate with the Roman Catholics in there, like, aha, 54 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:33.199 I'm going to own you Catholics. And I know that, 55 00:02:33.599 --> 00:02:36.680 like they weren't known apologists, but they would oftentimes put 56 00:02:36.759 --> 00:02:39.919 quotes from the Church fathers that I was like, wow, 57 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:44.240 he really said that, Because as a Calvinist, you think, oh, Augustine, 58 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:47.000 he's one of us, Like he teaches Calvinism and here 59 00:02:47.039 --> 00:02:49.199 he is talking about baptismal regeneration, here he is talking 60 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:51.800 about the Eucharus. He's a bishop, relics all this kind 61 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:55.400 of stuff. So I was really challenged early on in 62 00:02:55.479 --> 00:02:57.759 about nineteen ninety nine two thousand by a lot of 63 00:02:57.840 --> 00:03:01.479 Roman Catholics. And I wasn't ready to leave Protestantism yet, 64 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:04.680 but that prompted me to get into debates. And so 65 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:08.080 I listened to doctor Greg bonceon debating a Roman Catholic 66 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:12.639 named Jerry Madatis and That was a huge pivotal debate 67 00:03:12.719 --> 00:03:16.319 for me because I had all my faith in bonds 68 00:03:16.360 --> 00:03:20.080 and demolishing Mattatics in this debate, and turns out Mattatics 69 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:23.120 did pretty good. He actually brought up some issues about 70 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:26.719 tradition that I'd never heard, and so that kind of 71 00:03:26.719 --> 00:03:30.000 got me wondering about Catholic Church history. And I remember 72 00:03:30.080 --> 00:03:32.840 I bought Roman Catholic Catechism because I was curious what 73 00:03:32.879 --> 00:03:36.000 they actually say. And then I realized, I'm gonna have 74 00:03:36.080 --> 00:03:39.479 to buy the Church Fathers because I need that set. 75 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:41.439 It was only a thousand dollars back in two thousand 76 00:03:41.439 --> 00:03:41.719 and one. 77 00:03:41.960 --> 00:03:42.639 It's a lot more. 78 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:44.800 I think it's two or three thousand now, But I 79 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:49.000 bought the Philip Schaft set for my he's my Christmas 80 00:03:49.039 --> 00:03:50.759 and Birthday money to buy it back into think two 81 00:03:50.759 --> 00:03:52.879 thousand and one. So I just started plowing through the 82 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:55.400 Latin Church Fathers because I thought, well, I don't know 83 00:03:55.400 --> 00:03:57.639 anything about Eastern Fathers, but I know about Jerome, I 84 00:03:57.680 --> 00:04:00.800 know about Sant Augustine, Saint Ambrose Spy, and I'm gonna 85 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:03.080 start with those guys. So I started plowing through it, 86 00:04:03.759 --> 00:04:06.639 and I was taking some correspondence classes at the time 87 00:04:06.759 --> 00:04:11.919 from Monson's hit his own sort of study center, Southern 88 00:04:12.280 --> 00:04:14.280 California Center for Christian Studies is what it was called. 89 00:04:14.759 --> 00:04:17.680 So I was studying like pre subdisitional apologetics, transcendent argument, 90 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:20.240 all that kind of stuff. And I'm noticing, like, man, 91 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:22.680 all of these Latin church fathers that I held in 92 00:04:22.720 --> 00:04:25.839 high regard, they're straight up teaching Catholic stuff. 93 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:26.560 Yeah. 94 00:04:26.800 --> 00:04:29.600 So it's a real crisis of faith at the time, 95 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:33.319 and ended up becoming Roman Calthogue. In two thousand and three, 96 00:04:33.720 --> 00:04:37.199 entered into the novs Orto, went to the Nosorto consistently 97 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:39.480 for about a year, and then somebody left a Latin 98 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:41.720 Mass magazine on a pew one time and I started 99 00:04:41.759 --> 00:04:44.399 reading it. I was like, what's this Latin Mass. That's crazy. 100 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:47.160 So then I realized, oh, there's a whole traditional movement 101 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:50.160 within the Roman Catholic world. And that introduced me to 102 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:53.000 the FSSP and the SSPX, and so I found a 103 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:56.720 Latin Mass, bought a missile, and started going to the 104 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:59.399 Latin Mass pretty consistently for seven or eight years. 105 00:04:59.600 --> 00:04:59.959 Wow. 106 00:05:00.319 --> 00:05:02.639 And I would have to drive to Memphis or Nashville 107 00:05:02.680 --> 00:05:04.720 from where I lived. It was about two hours on 108 00:05:04.759 --> 00:05:07.920 Sunday to go to Latin Mass, and after a while 109 00:05:07.959 --> 00:05:12.000 it was just like I was super devoted to Tomism, 110 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:15.720 super devoted to I didn't want to be a monk, 111 00:05:15.759 --> 00:05:17.759 but I was like, I really wanted to take this 112 00:05:17.759 --> 00:05:22.680 this seriously. And I did inquire one time about monastic 113 00:05:22.759 --> 00:05:25.519 life and the dude was so gay that I was. 114 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:29.920 He was like, what, what has you interested in my life? 115 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:32.480 I think he was hitting on me and I was like, 116 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:35.279 now I'm straight, dude, and he's, oh, this is probably 117 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:40.160 not for you. It was the dios, the diocese and 118 00:05:40.199 --> 00:05:43.920 spiritual advisor for Memphis, super totally gay, and so that 119 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:46.439 really turned me off. I was like, dude, this is 120 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:50.720 this is not what I want. And the trad world 121 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:54.720 is very chaotic. There's not a lot of monastic options 122 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:57.959 in the trusal Gathic world. So I just kind of 123 00:05:57.959 --> 00:06:01.319 put all that aside. And about two thousand and seven 124 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:07.480 I was introduced to Orthodoxy online through Facebook debates. I'd 125 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:10.279 heard of Perry Robinson, I'd read some of the blog, 126 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:12.439 but there was a guy named Jonathan that was on 127 00:06:13.600 --> 00:06:16.120 john the Componic was a body of mine on Facebook, 128 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:20.879 and I think he had converted from Calvinism. To Orthodoxy. 129 00:06:21.639 --> 00:06:21.759 Uh. 130 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:23.879 And I had gone from Calvinism to Rome, and so 131 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:26.959 we were having all these debates and discussions, and these 132 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:29.759 guys started bringing up good questions, you know, good things 133 00:06:29.800 --> 00:06:33.360 I'd never considered. I'd not actually read Eastern Fathers because 134 00:06:33.360 --> 00:06:35.519 I think when you go from Protestant to Catholic, as 135 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:39.120 most people do nowadays, when they do that, they just think, oh, well, 136 00:06:39.120 --> 00:06:42.240 those Eastern Fathers are cool. But it's all about Augustine. 137 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:44.759 It's about Anselm, it's about Aquinas. The a's, right, the 138 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:47.800 three a's, And you know, we don't really need to 139 00:06:47.800 --> 00:06:50.920 worry about those Eastern dudes. But I will wait a minute. 140 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:52.600 Aren't all the councils Eastern? 141 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:53.680 Yeah? 142 00:06:53.759 --> 00:06:56.560 I mean maybe I should read these guys who are 143 00:06:56.839 --> 00:06:58.319 doing the theology. 144 00:06:57.800 --> 00:06:59.040 Of the original language. 145 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:01.079 For the most part, well, I don't know the language. 146 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:03.279 I mean, they're doing it in Greed, yeah, and Greek, 147 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:04.480 not Latin. 148 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:07.600 They're not working from translations of the Bible, They're working 149 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:09.079 from the actual actually exactly. 150 00:07:09.199 --> 00:07:12.240 And and I remember I read a lot of Augustine. 151 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:14.399 I was super devoted when I became Roman Catholic. I 152 00:07:14.439 --> 00:07:20.800 took his name in chrismation. He's one reception. But what 153 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:23.519 what I had done was just sort of defaulted, as 154 00:07:23.560 --> 00:07:26.959 many Protestants do, even the Reformation guys, like they all 155 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:30.519 just defaulted to the Augustinian views on trinity or anything 156 00:07:30.600 --> 00:07:36.240 created grace. So I just again, after reading anti Donuts 157 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:38.360 and all the Antidonus works, read all the City of God, 158 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:41.399 read all the anti Pallagian works, a lot of the 159 00:07:41.480 --> 00:07:44.079 you know, Incrite and all that kind of stuff, and 160 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:46.439 I never I read it, most of on the Trinity. 161 00:07:46.439 --> 00:07:48.560 It's massive. I read most of it as a Protestant 162 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:51.639 or as a Catholic, and I just defaulted to thinking that, well, 163 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:53.639 this is this is it, this is how you explained 164 00:07:53.639 --> 00:07:55.439 the Trinity. But it was only when I got into 165 00:07:55.480 --> 00:07:58.759 Orthodox critiques that it even ever occurred to me that 166 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:03.040 he might have gotten something's wrong. So I grappled with 167 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:04.639 that for a couple of years. That was a really 168 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:07.519 difficult thing to let go of, because I think my personality, 169 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:10.399 especially my twenties, have a tendency to really have hero 170 00:08:10.560 --> 00:08:12.439 figures and you don't want to see you don't want 171 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:16.920 to see any flaws in your hero figures. But over time, 172 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:20.079 the more I read the Caba Doocians, the more I read, 173 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:22.399 I say Maximus Confessor. Kind of gradually here and there, 174 00:08:22.439 --> 00:08:24.720 I started realizing this is a different model to Trinity, 175 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:28.199 It's a different model of grace, and that was huge 176 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:32.000 for me. I was kind of left aimless for a 177 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:34.600 little while. A few years in two thousand and seven, 178 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:36.240 I actually went through the Orthodox CD ofcum in it 179 00:08:36.799 --> 00:08:39.039 and I didn't join. I was like, I'm not ready. 180 00:08:39.120 --> 00:08:43.639 I'm still super Tomistics, super Augustinian, not ready to make 181 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:45.159 that leap yet. And I actually think that was the 182 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:49.200 right choice, because if you still have all that baggage 183 00:08:49.240 --> 00:08:51.679 of Western theology, you're you're going to want to try 184 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:55.320 to make Orthodoxy Latin, Yes, and you need to. It 185 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:58.039 takes time to kind of cleanse a lot of that, 186 00:08:58.279 --> 00:09:03.039 a lot of presuppositions. Yeah, And so anyway, long story short, 187 00:09:03.840 --> 00:09:05.720 I didn't end up marrying the girl. We were both 188 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:08.360 going to become Orthodox and we went through the Catechumen 189 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:09.879 and we're gonna get married, and we ended up not 190 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:13.240 doing that. And I just kind of wasn't sure for 191 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.759 several years, so I didn't go back to the Novisordo. 192 00:09:16.840 --> 00:09:17.720 I was just kind of like, well, I'm not going 193 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:20.679 to be Protestant. I'm not ready for Orthodoxy. I'm not 194 00:09:20.759 --> 00:09:24.080 going to roam or trid stuff anymore. So I just 195 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.679 was kind of in limbo. And that was about I 196 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:30.200 don't know, five or six years. And then around twenty 197 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:34.440 fourteen thirteen fourteen, I started gradually reading more Orthodox stuff again. 198 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:37.919 I started talking to some Orthodox friends again on Twitter 199 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:42.039 or on Facebook and stuff, and I got really sick. 200 00:09:42.120 --> 00:09:47.279 Actually had two bad cases of pneumonia, and I mean, 201 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:49.919 I wasn't dying, but it was like sick enough that 202 00:09:50.000 --> 00:09:53.279 I felt like a taste of death. And that was 203 00:09:53.320 --> 00:09:56.600 a huge kind of like spank. I guess you could say, 204 00:09:56.879 --> 00:09:58.559 chastise me to make me think maybe I need to 205 00:09:58.559 --> 00:10:01.879 actually get my life in order, I mean, And so 206 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:05.919 I quit drinking. I wasn't an alcoholic, but I think 207 00:10:05.919 --> 00:10:08.639 I could have been, because I drank a lot and 208 00:10:08.679 --> 00:10:11.799 I felt like ruining my gut. You know, I'm super sick. 209 00:10:12.440 --> 00:10:13.720 I just need to make some changes. 210 00:10:14.159 --> 00:10:15.559 And how old are you at this point? 211 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:20.519 Roughly this was twenty twelve thirteen, so I would have 212 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:22.840 This is twelve years ago, so I would have been 213 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:28.519 in my mid thirties, so mid thirties. Started going visiting 214 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:31.759 some Mortark churches. Locally. Had an old friend actually that 215 00:10:31.840 --> 00:10:34.200 used to go to my Calvinist church whould become an 216 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:37.320 Antiokin priest. Oh, and he ended up actually being at 217 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:39.919 the local Antiokin church. That was an hour for me, 218 00:10:40.639 --> 00:10:42.039 an old friend of mine that I was high school 219 00:10:42.080 --> 00:10:45.480 with because an Antiokin priest. So props to Father Matthew Snowden. 220 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:49.120 And so I went and met with him, and we 221 00:10:49.559 --> 00:10:54.679 talked and we had you know, some good inquiry discussions, 222 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:57.120 and I was like, yeah, maybe I should revisit this, 223 00:10:57.240 --> 00:11:01.000 you know, catechumen situation. And so I redid all of 224 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:05.440 that and stop smoking too, because I think the I 225 00:11:05.440 --> 00:11:09.600 think the pneumonia came from vaping. Actually, so I quit vaping, 226 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:12.759 I quit drinking. Not that orthodoxy is about you know, 227 00:11:13.000 --> 00:11:16.039 puritanical morals, but for me, those things were you know, 228 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:19.559 like obviously affecting my health and drinking it was really 229 00:11:19.559 --> 00:11:20.360 messing with my gut. 230 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:22.879 But you know what the hardest part about vaping is 231 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:25.600 what your parents should get. 232 00:11:26.279 --> 00:11:28.720 The reason we vaped was to quit smoking. Oh really, 233 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:30.639 So it was it was an attempt to try to 234 00:11:30.679 --> 00:11:32.840 get away from cigarettes, and it worked for a little while. 235 00:11:33.039 --> 00:11:36.600 But I actually, I think the best medicine for smoking 236 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:39.960 and vaping was pneumonia. If you get pneumonia, that's actually 237 00:11:39.960 --> 00:11:42.159 a great way to quit smoking. So I got it 238 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:45.840 twice and the woman was like, if you keep smoking 239 00:11:45.919 --> 00:11:47.960 or vaping, you're probably gonna get pnemonia. The third time, 240 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.039 I was like, you know what, I'm done because it 241 00:11:50.080 --> 00:11:53.279 was awful. I mean, I've been sick, but pneumonia was 242 00:11:53.320 --> 00:11:55.279 one of the worst. But anyway, so that was a 243 00:11:55.279 --> 00:11:57.600 good chastisement that came my way. That got me kind 244 00:11:57.639 --> 00:12:01.519 of thinking about mortality and those things can be good 245 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:07.639 enticements to repentance. And so in twenty fifteen sixteen, I 246 00:12:07.679 --> 00:12:12.000 just kept reading Orthoxology like NonStop. Twenty seventeen, I think 247 00:12:12.039 --> 00:12:15.240 I met with Feather Snowden and we talked about inquiring 248 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:18.799 catechumen and all that. So I did that through twenty seventeen. 249 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:21.240 Then came in I think in twenty eighteen. My wife 250 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:23.399 had actually came in a little earlier. We weren't married 251 00:12:23.399 --> 00:12:25.840 at the time, but she was at a different church 252 00:12:25.879 --> 00:12:28.120 in South Carolina, so she came in in the OCA 253 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:32.559 a year before me. Anyway, So that's the long route 254 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:35.559 story to where I kind of got back into But 255 00:12:35.600 --> 00:12:37.240 it was also by the way, a lot of biblical 256 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:39.919 theology that got me back into Orthoxy because in Roman 257 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:43.360 Catholicism they will give credence to the Bible. And I 258 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:45.679 don't mean this as like a low tier Protestant critique 259 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:49.080 that Roma College don't read their Bible. In Rome, it's 260 00:12:49.080 --> 00:12:56.360 so focused on papal documents in the traditional world and 261 00:12:56.440 --> 00:13:01.399 to devotions to this or that, Adam or whatever, that 262 00:13:02.000 --> 00:13:06.519 I do actually think that the Bible is not given 263 00:13:06.639 --> 00:13:09.559 primary importance in Rome. 264 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:13.200 It's not. I mean, it's everything's about you know, like, 265 00:13:14.039 --> 00:13:17.279 are you doing the devotion to our Lady of the 266 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:21.320 brown scapular, of the of the feast day of Fatoma 267 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:21.919 of lords? 268 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:26.639 Yep. And what I liked about Orthodoxy was that going 269 00:13:26.679 --> 00:13:30.240 back to the liturgy and realizing, well, this is actually 270 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:32.799 just scripture come to life here in the liturgy. And 271 00:13:32.840 --> 00:13:35.919 even though Rome kind of is that or at least 272 00:13:35.919 --> 00:13:38.720 gives verbal greedence to that, it was just different. And 273 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:41.679 I was just burnt out on all the Roman just 274 00:13:41.759 --> 00:13:44.519 the whole system. So I think really for me, there 275 00:13:44.559 --> 00:13:48.360 was a lot of like system breaking that had to occur. 276 00:13:48.679 --> 00:13:51.000 Does that make sense, Yeah, it is, And it's for 277 00:13:51.080 --> 00:13:55.320 people who have been in Catholicism. I think they they 278 00:13:55.320 --> 00:14:02.919 will understand exactly what you mean. It's very It's also 279 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:04.799 just you go to talk to your parish priests and 280 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:07.960 you realize these I mean, these seminaries have more fruit 281 00:14:08.080 --> 00:14:13.600 than an orchard. It's it's and it's like, as a 282 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:16.159 straight guy, I mean, how do you how do you relate? 283 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:17.120 It's a challenge. Yeah. 284 00:14:17.320 --> 00:14:19.039 And then and then on top of if you want 285 00:14:19.080 --> 00:14:20.919 to be married, you know, how are you relating to 286 00:14:20.960 --> 00:14:25.600 this guy who has to be completely you know, cell 287 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:28.120 of it and live around women. It's very Yeah, I 288 00:14:28.159 --> 00:14:29.480 mean how do you how do you advise people on 289 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:30.559 marriages when you're not married? 290 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:34.240 Yeah, there's all those practical issues, and I think you're 291 00:14:34.320 --> 00:14:35.840 right to go back to like a lot of times 292 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:38.120 for most of us, it's it's not ultimately a lot 293 00:14:38.120 --> 00:14:40.799 of these intellectual ideas that plays a part, but like 294 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:42.519 there's all these other things going on in your life 295 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:47.000 too that are are, like I said, enticements to repenting 296 00:14:47.080 --> 00:14:50.159 and seeing things in a different way. So yeah, So 297 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:53.240 eventually I just kind of read my way back through 298 00:14:53.799 --> 00:14:56.639 the Book of Daniel particularly was a huge influence on them. 299 00:14:56.679 --> 00:14:59.360 So I took Daniel's name when it became Orthodox. Wonderful 300 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:02.360 the Prophetdaniel, because so much of Daniel I think really 301 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:05.559 just confirmed for me that the Messianic era began, you know, 302 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:08.759 in the first Advent Daniel nine, et cetera. So Daniel 303 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:13.720 was a huge empathus to return to the earlier investigation 304 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:16.840 ten years prior in Orthodoxy. So so that was the 305 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:18.879 long route to Orthodoxy. 306 00:15:18.960 --> 00:15:21.080 What's phenomenal to have you here. It's amazing. 307 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:24.000 It's been a wild journey. 308 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:26.559 It's not how you run the race, it's how you finished. 309 00:15:29.559 --> 00:15:32.720 You are known as like the king of the ortho 310 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:37.279 Ros and every parish I go to three eighths of 311 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:40.759 the guys or more. How did you come to Orthoxy? Well? 312 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:47.039 I was watching internet videos who jade higher? Again and 313 00:15:47.080 --> 00:15:51.759 again and again. You've become this person who's effectively I mean, 314 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:55.320 well just straight out you're missionary for the church, you know, 315 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:58.960 just sort of unintentional missionary. You're making videos about what 316 00:15:59.000 --> 00:16:02.879 you think will need to hear. Okay, we have this 317 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:05.480 vision of you know, missionaries to go into foreign lands. 318 00:16:05.480 --> 00:16:07.399 It's as so dangerous they don't realize it. I mean, 319 00:16:07.399 --> 00:16:10.120 people can ruin your reputation, They can come after your employment. 320 00:16:10.600 --> 00:16:12.600 It's just as dangerous, if not more so, to be 321 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:17.519 on the internet than in real life. And people know 322 00:16:17.559 --> 00:16:20.279 you for theology. They know you were talking about essence, energies, 323 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:23.039 we're talking about Vatican two, we're talking about you know, 324 00:16:23.200 --> 00:16:25.840 the papacy, et cetera. But we want to get to 325 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:31.840 know Jay outside of that. Okay, So you've written three books, 326 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:35.840 one of which is right there, and you very kindly 327 00:16:35.919 --> 00:16:43.480 gifted me Esoteric Hollywood three excellent book. What is the 328 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:45.840 story of how you ended up writing these books? Did you, 329 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:48.399 I mean, when you wrote the first one, did you think, Okay, 330 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:51.000 this will turn into a second, this will be a trilogy. 331 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:53.080 Did you just think, I mean, did you intend to 332 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:55.159 write a book? Did it start out as something else 333 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:57.039 and move into a book? What happened? 334 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:01.360 So I was in undergrad and then grad schools philosophy, 335 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:05.960 lit history, and then in grad school I studied English 336 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:09.839 and lit and I focused on how James Bond was 337 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:13.279 used in the Cold War for psychological warfare. And so 338 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:16.759 the British intelligence establishment, particularly through Ian Fleming, had really 339 00:17:17.880 --> 00:17:20.680 come up with this kind of ingenious idea to take 340 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:23.359 fiction and British spy fiction had actually done this earlier 341 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:26.079 than that, but to use that as a form of propaganda, 342 00:17:26.119 --> 00:17:29.400 because the British had a pretty tight lipped policy of 343 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:32.240 an Official Secrets Act, where anybody was in intelligence couldn't 344 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:34.599 talk about anything. So what they would typically do is 345 00:17:34.640 --> 00:17:38.640 write fiction stories about their exploits, and Ian Fleming famously 346 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:41.200 is one of the most well known for that with 347 00:17:41.319 --> 00:17:43.920 the Bond character. Obviously, not everything in James Bond is real, 348 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:46.880 it's a lot of fiction, but it became this iconic, 349 00:17:46.960 --> 00:17:51.039 you know, symbol archetype throughout the Cold War for Western 350 00:17:51.119 --> 00:17:53.319 power and interest against the Soviets, and I just thought 351 00:17:53.319 --> 00:17:56.960 that was fascinating and it kind of brought together disparate 352 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:00.880 interests that I had between movies. I was always interested 353 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:03.759 in theater and film and performing arts and stuff like 354 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:06.200 that back to high school. But it brings in intelligence 355 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:08.680 agencies in that history, and it brings in cults and 356 00:18:08.720 --> 00:18:11.559 how Hollywood has cult So all of those things were 357 00:18:11.559 --> 00:18:15.519 an interest that I had, and I was basically just 358 00:18:15.599 --> 00:18:18.640 kind of working part time and taking all the college 359 00:18:18.640 --> 00:18:23.359 classes I wanted. For like ten years, I worked as 360 00:18:23.400 --> 00:18:26.680 a paint mixer, so I was for ten years manager 361 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:29.839 of a Pittsburgh paint store. So I just basically, you 362 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:32.680 bring me a swatch of paint right, and I match it. 363 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:35.319 I would imagine that you have lots and lots of 364 00:18:35.319 --> 00:18:37.880 work in the morning and then most of the rest exactly. 365 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:41.400 I read all day at a job where for ten 366 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:43.880 years I could read, and so that's how I read 367 00:18:44.599 --> 00:18:46.680 all the Church, not all the Church Fathers, but many 368 00:18:46.680 --> 00:18:50.000 many years of Church fathers theology. Most of that time 369 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:51.920 in my twenties, when I was a paint store manager, 370 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:56.359 I was reading theological stuff wonderful. But then that allowed 371 00:18:56.359 --> 00:18:59.720 me to work part time and take all these college 372 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:02.680 class is, and then I did grad school the same 373 00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:04.039 way where I was doing it part time, so it 374 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:07.119 took me a lot longer than most people. But I 375 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:10.519 wasn't married. I was singled throughout that whole time. And 376 00:19:13.440 --> 00:19:16.440 the Internet was obviously getting more and more prevalent on 377 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:19.440 the present, and I was kind of stayed away from 378 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:21.319 the Internet for a long time. But I started blogging 379 00:19:21.400 --> 00:19:24.759 maybe two thousand and seven, and back then I was 380 00:19:24.880 --> 00:19:27.359 beginning to Ron Paul, but I was interested in Orthodoxy 381 00:19:27.400 --> 00:19:29.319 and Catholicism, so I was kind of blogging about all 382 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:31.359 that kind of stuff, and I even blogged a little 383 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:34.400 bit about Zionism and that peaud a lot of people's interests, 384 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:37.000 and I got some threats even back then, as somebody 385 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:39.279 saying that they're going to be fired for talking about Zionism. 386 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:42.119 Oh and it was it was actually a Christian Zionist 387 00:19:42.440 --> 00:19:45.119 that was threatening to who's a Calvinist, by the way, 388 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:49.480 a Calvinist Christians Zionist was threatening to get me fired 389 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:53.039 for talking about that on a blog. Which, man, things 390 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:56.079 have changed from two thousand and seven to twenty twenty 391 00:19:56.119 --> 00:20:02.799 six because anyway, so long story short, that was all 392 00:20:03.279 --> 00:20:05.920 the academic stuff that I was doing blogging just kind 393 00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:08.519 of on the side for fun. But then I noticed, 394 00:20:08.519 --> 00:20:12.079 you know, as the Internet became more on the present, 395 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:15.799 people were not just blogging but doing podcasts, right, so 396 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:17.839 podcast pops on the scene. That'd be cool to do. 397 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:21.160 So I started experimenting with just doing talks and audios 398 00:20:21.200 --> 00:20:23.839 in two thousand and ten or eleven, I think it 399 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:25.680 was the first time I played around with that. It 400 00:20:25.720 --> 00:20:28.480 was all terrible quality, but I mean half my stuff 401 00:20:28.519 --> 00:20:31.880 is still terrible quality. So twenty six so I mean, 402 00:20:32.039 --> 00:20:34.160 you guys are doing good here, Like I'm still like 403 00:20:34.240 --> 00:20:36.279 ghetto boomer tech with my. 404 00:20:36.400 --> 00:20:39.400 I don't like it, I watch it, I enjoy it. 405 00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:42.039 It's a challenge, there's always some new tech thingle It's 406 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:45.160 actually getting a lot easier though, Like in twenty twelve thirteen, 407 00:20:45.440 --> 00:20:47.799 like what was out there for tech and all that, 408 00:20:48.359 --> 00:20:51.119 it was a lot more challenging than stuff like now 409 00:20:51.160 --> 00:20:53.000 it's a lot easier to do. But long story short, 410 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:55.000 I keep saying that phrase. 411 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:54.839 But. 412 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:03.039 Yeah, So the book came up because there was a 413 00:21:03.200 --> 00:21:08.039 huge fallout with my graduate advisor and he was a 414 00:21:08.160 --> 00:21:13.079 super lib like a maga socialist green, just crazy lib guy, 415 00:21:13.559 --> 00:21:14.599 and he absolutely hated me. 416 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:16.200 This is effectively hippy. 417 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:20.000 Absolutely. In fact, he was one of the world authorities 418 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:23.640 on the Luddites because lud Heites were anti type, right. 419 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:26.240 So he sees the whole modern world as kind of 420 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:29.160 like you know, capitalists, pigs that have taken over and 421 00:21:29.359 --> 00:21:31.079 the world needs to return to some sort of like 422 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:33.279 you know, pre modern lud Eye. 423 00:21:33.119 --> 00:21:37.359 Situation Utopians in his views, some utopian pots. 424 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:39.359 He's a big United Nations type of guys. 425 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:42.960 And everything free, no consequences, and. 426 00:21:42.920 --> 00:21:45.519 He didn't like that. I was going to write the 427 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:49.359 thesis on James Bond, and I wasn't like saying everything 428 00:21:49.359 --> 00:21:51.559 about James Bond's great I was just writing it as 429 00:21:51.759 --> 00:21:54.640 an analysis of propaganda Nicole war. That he thought that 430 00:21:54.680 --> 00:21:57.200 was too misogynistic, too toxic, mascots. It was all that 431 00:21:57.279 --> 00:22:00.279 kind of stuff, right, So we had a He was 432 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:03.759 falling out because after I'd worked for an entire semester, 433 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:06.599 maybe two semester, forget on the thesis, and I had 434 00:22:06.599 --> 00:22:10.279 the first say thirty pages written, not a PhD, just 435 00:22:10.359 --> 00:22:12.400 a master's thesis, and he was like, oh, You're gonna 436 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:14.519 have to start over. And he was doing that as 437 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:18.200 a big middle finger to me because my previous advisor 438 00:22:18.359 --> 00:22:20.480 was really good. She got promoted to a different job. 439 00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:27.039 So I either had to start all over or fight 440 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:29.359 the guy. So I was like that I wanted to 441 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:32.319 fight him, and I realized like, I'm either going to 442 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:34.480 punch this guy, jump over his desk and punch him, 443 00:22:34.559 --> 00:22:36.519 or I just have to leave. So I just walked 444 00:22:36.519 --> 00:22:38.960 off and I never went back to grad school. And 445 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:42.480 so I finished two years of grad school. I was 446 00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:45.119 the thesis. All I had to do was finish the thesis, 447 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:47.160 and but he was like, what, You're you gonna have 448 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.240 to start all over. I was like, no, I'm out 449 00:22:49.279 --> 00:22:54.000 of here, and that was a pivot. Probably one of 450 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.880 the best things that happened to me though, because like 451 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:58.880 I would not have enjoyed academia. It's a very controlled setting. 452 00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:02.839 They don't want heterosexual white males there that are Christians. 453 00:23:02.839 --> 00:23:04.880 They don't want that at all, and they even make 454 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:08.400 that clear like I had it in my undergrad phase. 455 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:11.200 I had a history advisor who said, it's gonna be 456 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:14.039 straight with you, Jay, if you're a straight white male, 457 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:15.960 they don't want you in academia. 458 00:23:16.119 --> 00:23:19.200 Yeah. He told me that it's another more fruit than 459 00:23:19.200 --> 00:23:20.960 an orchard. 460 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:22.200 Very similar to the Vatican. 461 00:23:24.079 --> 00:23:27.559 It seems to be racing one another that's trying to 462 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:31.839 be fruit vendors. I mean, I can't tell you how 463 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:34.720 many people I know who have told me dropping out 464 00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:37.759 of their master's program or their bachelor's program their patient 465 00:23:37.880 --> 00:23:41.000 was the best thing that ever happened in them, because 466 00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:47.440 I mean, it just they realize what an artificial world 467 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:50.720 it is. And you know, okay, you just get that now, 468 00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:51.559 you just get the reading. 469 00:23:51.599 --> 00:23:53.079 Listen to the reading, yes exactly. 470 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:54.839 I mean, you want to learn languages, you go to 471 00:23:54.880 --> 00:24:00.279 language institute. You don't go to university. By the way 472 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:03.440 for anyone watching, We're teaching Greek and Latin on Patreon 473 00:24:03.519 --> 00:24:07.640 Ancient Greek and Latin. Just started a new cohort for 474 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.839 Latin Greek. We have a second one going Contact me 475 00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:13.079 if you're interested in My contact information is in the 476 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:18.359 video description. What got you Okay? So from there, I 477 00:24:18.359 --> 00:24:21.519 mean the first book. You have all this material for 478 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:24.000 the first book, not realizing you're about to write a book. 479 00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:25.599 What happens from there? 480 00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:29.279 So the best thing about college was there's a couple 481 00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:32.400 things that are good about college and grad school. One 482 00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:35.319 of them is they will force you to read and 483 00:24:35.480 --> 00:24:38.039 write about people that you would never read and that 484 00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:40.119 you totally disagree with. Yeah, that was a good thing. 485 00:24:40.160 --> 00:24:42.079 So I had to read all these philosophy figures that 486 00:24:42.119 --> 00:24:44.039 I would have never read, like David Hume and Bertrand 487 00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:47.759 Russell and all those characters. But if you're consistently for 488 00:24:47.839 --> 00:24:51.480 many years, you know, hammering out ten twenty thirty page 489 00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:54.279 turn papers, you're going to get good at writing. So 490 00:24:54.319 --> 00:24:56.759 that was the best part of college for me, was 491 00:24:57.000 --> 00:24:59.359 actually kind of getting, you know, a decent hand on writing. 492 00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:01.839 I'm not saying I'm a writer, but I think I'm okay. 493 00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:04.599 And so that was I think the best honing of 494 00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:07.160 the skill set out of all that. And I, just 495 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:09.480 for fun on the side, was doing all these film 496 00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:14.559 analyzes because I've always liked film separate from writing theology 497 00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:18.720 papers and philosophy papers and religion papers. And then I thought, well, 498 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:21.400 if I got all this material, I mean, it could 499 00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:23.200 conceivably be a book. But I didn't really think it 500 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:26.279 would ever come about. I remember I got invited on 501 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:31.440 a podcast by Oliver Stone's son, Sean Stone, and he's 502 00:25:31.519 --> 00:25:33.400 kind of a conspiracy guy, kind of like his dad's 503 00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:35.680 a famous director that build the conspiracy movies. And I 504 00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:37.759 was like, this would be cool. This is a this 505 00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:39.680 is early on one of the earliest podcasts that I 506 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:44.039 was on. And the publisher of my book, who also 507 00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:48.119 publishes Whitney Webb's Epstein books, so he's known for that. 508 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:50.400 He was like, hey, do you have a book? And 509 00:25:50.440 --> 00:25:53.160 I'm like, yeah, sure, which I did it and I 510 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:54.839 have a manuscript. But I had a lot of essays 511 00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:56.119 and I thought, well, yeah, I could just take all 512 00:25:56.119 --> 00:25:58.640 these essays and just combine them into a book, and 513 00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:02.319 that became essar called one, which I'd written probably I 514 00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:05.960 don't know three or four hundred pages already on film analysis, 515 00:26:06.440 --> 00:26:08.440 never thinking it would be a book, and it came 516 00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:11.480 together in twenty sixteen as a book, and that opened 517 00:26:11.480 --> 00:26:14.440 a lot of doors for We did a full production 518 00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:17.799 TV show in twenty seventeen on the one season based 519 00:26:17.839 --> 00:26:21.039 on the first book and another guy, Jay Wiedener, who's 520 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:23.799 a big film buff guy, and you can still watch 521 00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:25.759 that show. It's It's at Gaya TV. It's kind of 522 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:29.039 a new ag network. But how that guy g A 523 00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:33.759 I A guy g A I a Gaya dot TV. 524 00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:36.960 I think it's been honked. This is almost ten years ago, 525 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:39.839 but you can see the fat version of me they're 526 00:26:40.079 --> 00:26:42.400 sitting in the directors. We did like a Ciskel and 527 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:45.920 Eberts style, but we do more of a philosophical breakdown 528 00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:47.799 of the films rather than like, you know, Ciskel and 529 00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:49.640 ebers was like, well this is good, no, it's bad, 530 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:52.160 but we go deeper into like the meaning and the 531 00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:53.799 symbols of the films and the history. 532 00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:56.160 I could never figure out which one was Ciskel and 533 00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:57.079 which one was Ebert. 534 00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:01.240 Ebert was a fat guy. Oh okay, Ciscal's any ball guy. 535 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:05.200 But it was that style in with like a theater setting, 536 00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:07.440 so it's a it's a nice show, it's a neat show. 537 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:10.680 In fact, a lot of a lot of later offers 538 00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:13.720 for stuff came from people watching the show and they're like, Hey, 539 00:27:13.720 --> 00:27:15.960 that was actually a really good, really good show. Would 540 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:17.640 you want to come do this? I'd like the Tucker 541 00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:22.079 thing actually happened because the Tucker Tucker's producer, Scooter, who 542 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:26.720 became orthodox, he had watched Hollywood coded the TV show. 543 00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:30.640 So so how did you what you expanded it on that? 544 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:32.279 How you ended up on Tucker Carlson. 545 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:36.440 So when the book came out, I got the idea 546 00:27:36.480 --> 00:27:37.720 to just kind of mail it out to a lot 547 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:40.240 of different radio shows and podcasts and stuff like that. 548 00:27:40.279 --> 00:27:43.200 And right twenty sixteen, podcasts were still kind of they 549 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:46.279 weren't as video oriented. They were more audio oriented. I 550 00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:50.480 remember that you have to download them exactly. So I 551 00:27:50.519 --> 00:27:53.200 remember going on a lot of radio shows that were 552 00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:56.359 just beginning to put the radio shows on podcast like 553 00:27:56.400 --> 00:27:58.640 Clyde Lewis's show. I went on that. I went on 554 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:01.240 Coast to Coast with George Norrie. It was all audio 555 00:28:01.400 --> 00:28:04.880 back then. And then how did I let's see, what 556 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:08.640 was the first big kind of offer was. I got 557 00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:14.200 an email I think in twenty nineteen and somebody said, hey, 558 00:28:14.200 --> 00:28:15.880 do you want to come on Alex Jones? And I 559 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:17.920 was like, yeah, sure, because I had actually been on 560 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:20.839 Alex Jones one time as a guest in two thousand 561 00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:21.160 and eight. 562 00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:22.680 How did that happen too? 563 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:26.640 Because I just called in and Alex was talking about 564 00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:28.640 the history of the Rockefeller family and their influence in 565 00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:31.039 America back in two thousand and seven or eight, and 566 00:28:31.359 --> 00:28:33.839 I called in super nervous or sweat running down my 567 00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:36.200 brow when I called in because I'd never been on 568 00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:39.400 radio before. And we talked for a little bit and 569 00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:40.960 he was like, I have you on as a guest. 570 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:42.920 You know we're talking about because I'd actually read the 571 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:44.680 book that he was referencing. I was like, I've actually 572 00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:47.440 read this Rockefeller book. We could talk about that. And 573 00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.519 so I called back in Monday and he was like 574 00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:51.440 it was like a thirty minute spot where we had 575 00:28:51.440 --> 00:28:54.160 a conversation. He's like, you need to write for us, 576 00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:57.160 write some essays. So I wrote three or four articles 577 00:28:57.160 --> 00:28:59.039 for Info Wars back in two thousand and seven or eight. 578 00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:00.880 But that put me on the radar, I guess right, 579 00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:03.519 And then I don't think Alex thought about me or 580 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:05.799 heard about me again until by the book came out 581 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:07.400 and I remember mailing it out, that mailed it to 582 00:29:07.440 --> 00:29:10.359 Alex and all the radio people I could think of. 583 00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:13.920 And then in twenty nineteen, again this is after the 584 00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.119 TV show had come out, Alex's producer reached out and 585 00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:18.319 was like, Hey, do you want to come on for 586 00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:20.079 hour interview? 587 00:29:20.119 --> 00:29:20.279 Yeah? 588 00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:23.279 Sure, and the interview went really well. We did the 589 00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:25.599 first book as an analysis of Hollywood and all that, 590 00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:28.200 and then they were like, we're really impressed. Would you 591 00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:30.440 want to host the fourth hour? So that led to 592 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.000 hosting for the last six years, not every Friday, but 593 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.039 most Fridays. I hosted the fourth hour of Box shows, 594 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:37.839 so hosted many of the main show too. 595 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:39.720 So it's a four hour show and needed the fourth 596 00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:40.079 hour and. 597 00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:42.240 The fourth hour for many years, and then I did 598 00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:46.799 many shows, so then doing not just Alex's show, but 599 00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:51.440 then doing Harrison's show, Owen Schroyer Show, and that opened 600 00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:54.680 up a lot more doors. So that led to eventually, 601 00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:59.480 when Scooter became orthodox, he reached out. It's like, Hey, 602 00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:01.799 we're going to be in Austin. We're gonna shoot an 603 00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:05.119 episode of Tucker Show, would you like to do a sketch? 604 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:06.880 He's like, have any ideas. I was like, this is 605 00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:08.680 right when Klaus Schwab in the world are going before 606 00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:12.039 him and the COVID stuff was happening, and I was like, 607 00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:14.519 what if I said it as a joke to Scooder 608 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:16.079 and I actually think we'd go for it. I was like, 609 00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:18.079 what if I put on like a crappy bald map 610 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:21.079 ball cap and I dressed up with Klaus Schwab and 611 00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:25.559 I went around Austin in the park interviewing like dudes 612 00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:28.440 in Austin and this actually he was like, let's do it. 613 00:30:29.200 --> 00:30:32.519 And so he comes and he brings the film crew 614 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:36.759 and everybody from Fox, and then we go out and 615 00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:39.759 I'm interviewing all these idiots in Austin in the park 616 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:42.720 because they're all just like, you know, hippie dippy us. 617 00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:45.200 And it's a great clip. I'll send it to you. 618 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:46.799 We never saw it, but you can still find it. 619 00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:50.160 It's all over Twitter and YouTube. But so that ended 620 00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:53.319 up being a ten minute segment of Tucker's last show 621 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.240 before when he got fired. I was on the very 622 00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:58.359 last show on Fox where Tucker got fire. We always 623 00:30:58.400 --> 00:31:00.839 joked that I got Tucker fired. That was Klaus Schwab 624 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.480 in the skit. But so that kind of kicked off, 625 00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:07.240 like I think openings for comedy stuff because I've always 626 00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:09.759 been into comedy and you're a funny guy. Thank you. 627 00:31:10.200 --> 00:31:12.319 So I would send that out to comedians and people, 628 00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:14.519 and I kind of talked a little bit to Sam 629 00:31:14.599 --> 00:31:16.759 Hide and DMS. I'd you know, I would always been 630 00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:20.079 I've been a fan of his stuff from a million 631 00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:22.279 dollar extreme when he was doing YouTube and well. 632 00:31:22.000 --> 00:31:23.880 Now he's huge. I mean you couldn't get into d 633 00:31:24.160 --> 00:31:26.680 I mean an average person could not get his DMS out. 634 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:27.480 So this is way back. 635 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:30.200 This is twenty eighteen. When I first kind of I 636 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.599 saw Sam stuff in twenty sixteen seventeen, And when I 637 00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:35.279 first saw I didn't really get it because I didn't 638 00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:37.480 know what they were trying to do. I think with 639 00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:39.279 a million dollars stream and that stuff, Like a lot 640 00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:41.559 of times, it's a little bit of a learning curve 641 00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:44.039 where you've kind of oh, I get it now. 642 00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:47.599 Was this before or after his whole Like Joe Rocks. 643 00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:52.759 This was right when they got canceled? Yeah, yeah, canled 644 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:57.720 for that one because like a super activist journalist had 645 00:31:58.160 --> 00:31:59.839 messaged Sam and was like, from bust I think it 646 00:31:59.839 --> 00:32:02.279 was a BuzzFeed and he was like, I'm gonna get 647 00:32:02.279 --> 00:32:04.440 you fired for that. I'm going to reach out to 648 00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:08.319 the producer of Adult Swim or whatever, and he did. 649 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:12.119 He was like, you know, if you don't cancel Sam show, 650 00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:14.000 you know, we're gonna we're gonna take you down or 651 00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:18.200 whatever whatever. The yeah, the threat was to this, I 652 00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:20.519 don't remember the exact details of it, there's something like that. 653 00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:24.279 And so they folded obviously, and that kind of made uh, 654 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:27.000 you know, because that was like one of their their 655 00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.640 top shows, an Adult Swim was was a world peace 656 00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:32.400 and then it gets the media gets canceled. So Sam 657 00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:36.240 always had this desire to like do season two, even 658 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:38.799 with his own money, and so he just put that out. 659 00:32:38.839 --> 00:32:41.319 Like last year, they redid all of the season two 660 00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:44.960 on their own. But in the meantime, Sam kind of 661 00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:49.319 expanded into doing other TV shows. He did a weird 662 00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:52.079 kind of reality show called fish Tank that took on 663 00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:53.839 a life of its own. And then Sam started doing 664 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.079 stand up, which he wasn't really a stand up before, 665 00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:59.640 is more sketch comedy. He did great at that. He's 666 00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:01.119 been doing stand up for the last couple of years 667 00:33:01.160 --> 00:33:04.640 pretty consistently, but I was always just kind of like 668 00:33:05.279 --> 00:33:07.759 off and on dming and being like, hey, what do 669 00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:09.200 you think about this? As an idea for a sketch. 670 00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:11.400 I would just kind of pitch ideas, and I think 671 00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:12.759 when he saw it there was I did a skit 672 00:33:12.839 --> 00:33:15.519 making fun of megachurch pastors that he thought was really funny, 673 00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:18.200 and then I did a skit right he saw the 674 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:21.839 Tucker skit and he thought that was funny. So that 675 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.119 kind of opened up the possibility of like I would 676 00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:25.839 just say, hey, if you ever do a show, I'd 677 00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:28.200 love to be involved. And then I think last year 678 00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:30.720 he said, Hey, I'm going to start a separate show 679 00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:33.119 called the Sam Hide Show where I just kind of 680 00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:40.079 sit and do monologues or interview people. And the first 681 00:33:40.119 --> 00:33:43.880 one was a collaborative effort of me and several people, 682 00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:47.640 Ryan Rivera, Pat Dixon, Brendan Wilds. Shout out to those 683 00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:50.480 guys kind of writing and throwing in ideas, and we 684 00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:56.279 put together this Dear Elon. It went super viral. I 685 00:33:56.279 --> 00:34:00.640 couldn't believe how like between acts, YouTube and all the outlets, 686 00:34:00.680 --> 00:34:02.160 I mean, it's like twenty million views. 687 00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:04.519 Yeah, it's it was hilarious. 688 00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:07.240 I could believe how popular it got. And then the 689 00:34:07.240 --> 00:34:09.480 next one did really well, not as good as that one, 690 00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:13.239 but it was five ten million views. Dear Vivek, where 691 00:34:13.239 --> 00:34:16.000 we're making fun of like h one B Visas and 692 00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:18.840 all that kind of stuff, making fun of Vivac. I 693 00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:20.880 mean that one, that one did really well. And then 694 00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:24.000 you know, there's been several that we were really super funny, 695 00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:27.199 and Ryan and all those guys are super super funny. 696 00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:29.960 So the line from Dearry Alan that I remember most 697 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:34.199 clearly is Vvek is a nerd who just needs to 698 00:34:34.239 --> 00:34:38.039 go back that I fell apart when I heard that one. 699 00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:40.480 Yeah, well what was what was funny is that, like 700 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:42.880 every one of us has kind of a different sense 701 00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:44.840 of humor. So like Ryan has a really he's really 702 00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:46.679 good impressions, and he has his own sense of humor. 703 00:34:47.400 --> 00:34:49.599 Pat and Brendan have their own. Pat's kind of like 704 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:53.559 a Bill Burr sassy kind of guy. Brendan's kind of 705 00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:55.039 a he does stand up. They all do stand up 706 00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:57.480 except for me and Ryan and then uh and then 707 00:34:57.519 --> 00:34:59.840 Sam brings his own just kind of vibe and in 708 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:04.760 two we kind of throw out all these ideas. Sam 709 00:35:04.800 --> 00:35:06.920 takes the print out and just runs with whatever he 710 00:35:07.480 --> 00:35:09.920 likes and it it gels I think really well. So 711 00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:12.920 we've done basically a sea one season of that Sam 712 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.280 Hyde show and a lot of weirdos on like he 713 00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:19.960 Sam had I don't know if Sam and Ryan had 714 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.119 the idea to get one of these guys that drinks 715 00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:27.039 thrown pea, like these Hindu minded people that and so 716 00:35:27.079 --> 00:35:29.280 that one was crazy. So basically for that show, we 717 00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:30.760 were all just like sitting there coming up with P 718 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:34.079 jokes for like two days, Like, think of every joke 719 00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:35.840 you think of for P jokes for like two or 720 00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:36.320 three days. 721 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:40.079 Okay, Sam Hyde, he's like six. 722 00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:41.719 Foot six basically. 723 00:35:41.960 --> 00:35:43.800 Yeah, he's gigantic. 724 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:48.079 Yeah, he's like build like a linebacker. Yeah, And people think, 725 00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:50.360 like when I went on Pgo, both him and Nick 726 00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:53.000 are really tall, and everybody thinks like I'm a midget 727 00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:56.679 because standing next to like two, you know, multiple six 728 00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:59.119 foot six guys, it's like, no, I'm not a midget. 729 00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:01.159 These dudes are massive. So yeah, no, he's huged. But 730 00:36:01.199 --> 00:36:05.320 the Dodgemins are huge too. They're big dudes six three 731 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:06.880 or four yea guys. 732 00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:08.400 Yeah, they're also super buff. 733 00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:12.639 So yeah, yeah, but uh yeah, So I mean that 734 00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.639 whole experience was Again, I mean, I'm just super thankful 735 00:36:16.679 --> 00:36:20.880 because I always wanted to do comedy. Where we live, 736 00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.719 there's no like avenues or venues for stand up, so 737 00:36:23.760 --> 00:36:25.519 it's like I'd have to move to do stand up. 738 00:36:25.800 --> 00:36:28.199 And I'm a huge fan of stand up itself. I 739 00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.559 like some stand ups and I like doing it, but 740 00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:35.719 I don't like having to try to make boomers laugh 741 00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:40.760 because Boomer humor is very different from like sam Hide humor. Yeah, 742 00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:43.679 and it's age groups. They laugh at very different things, 743 00:36:43.880 --> 00:36:45.320 and so if you're doing stand up, you're going to 744 00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:47.679 have to try to mold what you're doing to some 745 00:36:47.920 --> 00:36:50.760 random audience of frat bros. Or you know, people that 746 00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:53.239 are not necessarily gonna like what you do. So this 747 00:36:53.360 --> 00:36:55.559 ended up being just a perfect venue for the weird, 748 00:36:55.920 --> 00:36:58.800 kind of eccentric, silly style of comedy that I'm into. 749 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:01.320 And I like to do a lot of impress so 750 00:37:01.400 --> 00:37:03.519 that plays well on podcasts, but I think it's very 751 00:37:03.559 --> 00:37:05.599 limiting when it comes to like doing stand up. So 752 00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:08.320 writing for Sam ended up being a really good venue 753 00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:10.360 for doing that. We had a blast for this first 754 00:37:10.599 --> 00:37:14.480 first season. So so yeah, however would have thought of 755 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:14.880 be doing that? 756 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:16.719 How did you end up meeting the Hodge Twins and 757 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.199 ended up on their pod? E've been on there what two? 758 00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:19.800 Three times? 759 00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:21.960 This was the second time a couple of days ago. 760 00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:23.119 How did this time go? 761 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:27.559 So it turns out their producer. There's a lot of 762 00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:30.559 getting on podcasts has to do with producers and like 763 00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.840 schedulers and whether they like you. So it's not even 764 00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:36.000 necessarily like the podcast people like. They might not even 765 00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.920 like you, but if the scheduler person is a fan 766 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:41.559 of your content and turns out the guy who produces 767 00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:43.920 their show was a guy who did a conspiracy podcast 768 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:47.400 many years ago who liked what I talked about. So 769 00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:50.280 he ended up down the road producing for the Houde 770 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:51.800 Winds and he was like, oh, I need to get 771 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:55.679 Jay on here, and so reached out to them. And 772 00:37:55.679 --> 00:37:59.800 then Andrew Wilson was a huge connect because he he 773 00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:02.679 got me on the Crowder Show. He set up me 774 00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:05.440 going on whatever podcast to debate that crazy feminist chick, 775 00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:06.960 and then I'm about we're about to go back to 776 00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.480 la right now. To be that trick was we're gonna 777 00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:12.840 do round two with a different feminist girl. Uh here 778 00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:17.639 in a couple of weeks and uh so. So basically, yeah, 779 00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:21.199 it tends to be if the producer or schedule or 780 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:23.760 likes what you do, they will try to promote you 781 00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:26.239 and get you on. But also one thing that's fascinating 782 00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:29.400 is a lot of these people have become Orthodox and 783 00:38:29.440 --> 00:38:32.760 then they will try to get you know, orthodox content, 784 00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:35.519 you know, on a big outlet like Joe Rogan. So 785 00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:39.800 you have Rachel Andrew and Joe Rogan and yeah, and 786 00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:42.760 so Andrew has been a huge help with that. 787 00:38:43.079 --> 00:38:45.960 And hopefully we'll see you on Rogan. 788 00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:47.480 That would be great. Yeah, I would love to do that. 789 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:48.840 I have confidence she'll be on. 790 00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.360 I feel like, uh, you know, sam Hyde deserves to 791 00:38:52.400 --> 00:38:54.880 be on a little earlier because he's had such a 792 00:38:56.119 --> 00:38:58.880 no but he's had you know, obviously much bigger impact. 793 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.320 So if I do end up going there, definitely, I'll 794 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:05.079 definitely try to to say, hey, you should have Samui. 795 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.119 What what is I mean? We watched sam Hi's videos 796 00:39:08.119 --> 00:39:12.519 and in them he comes off as manic is not 797 00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:17.760 the right word, but yeah, yeah in like a fun way, right, 798 00:39:18.519 --> 00:39:20.360 fun way, maybe a little scary once in a while, 799 00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:24.199 but like I mean, Sometimes he's very thoughtful, deep, you know, 800 00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:25.119 like that. 801 00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:28.400 When he was the Deil. 802 00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.760 Yeah, well that as well, but it's when he did 803 00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:39.000 the thing on Kirk. Other times he's just all over 804 00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:40.800 the place. What is he like in person when you're 805 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:42.840 just having a conversation with him? 806 00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:47.639 In my experience, like with Sam, most people, I mean lost, 807 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.079 Sam's playing a stupid character like Officer Maggot or something like. 808 00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:54.199 That's not the real Sam High. But I mean in person, 809 00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:57.719 pretty much everybody I met has been the same off camera, 810 00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:02.480 So like he's just a kind of super chill, very contemplative, 811 00:40:02.480 --> 00:40:06.280 faughtful kind of person. Like when we went up there 812 00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.559 to do the PGL podcast, when I was on his 813 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:13.239 his perfect guy life I spent we went to dinner 814 00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.199 with Nick and then the next day, Sam's like, you 815 00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.119 ready to go to the gym. I thought he meant 816 00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:20.199 to work out, and I'm like, yeah, sure, he meant 817 00:40:20.199 --> 00:40:23.199 to box. So I'm in there boxing at like eight 818 00:40:23.239 --> 00:40:25.760 in the morning before I fly back to Florida. It's 819 00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:30.280 like I'm boxing his trainer, like this eight foot black 820 00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:35.320 dude trainer, and I'm like boxing because I'm not a 821 00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:39.840 boxer guy. Yeah, So Sam's just like over there, like analyzing, 822 00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:41.679 like he's a boxing coach. No, you need to do this, 823 00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:43.159 get you get your you know, do this, or you 824 00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:45.760 swing like this. So he's just a he's like a 825 00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:52.320 super focused, contemplative but art guy. So he's one of 826 00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:55.559 these people that's very left brain and right brain, which 827 00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:56.719 is not a lot of people. A lot of people 828 00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:59.199 are either one right Like if you're artistic, usually you're 829 00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:04.079 not left brain. But Sam's super analytical but also super creative, 830 00:41:04.119 --> 00:41:07.000 which is a fascinating mix. I think I have a 831 00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.119 little bit of that because my mom is super creative. 832 00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:12.239 My dad's super analytical, engineering type of guy. So I 833 00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:14.039 think it's a weird combination when you get that. I 834 00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:16.920 think Sam is definitely that kind of a person and 835 00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:20.239 very versatile, like he can do I don't know if 836 00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.800 you saw him do that YouTube fight where he went. 837 00:41:22.639 --> 00:41:25.199 And fought that the boxing match, but yeah, he did. 838 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:28.559 That boxing match and did really good. Yeah four years ago. 839 00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:30.559 Yeah that was he did very well. 840 00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:33.119 Yeah he won, he beat that dude and then but 841 00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:37.440 he can also do stand up very well, like he did. 842 00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:39.320 He does a great, you know, forty five minute hour 843 00:41:39.440 --> 00:41:40.920 set of sand up. We went to see him in 844 00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:43.719 Tampa and he was it was hilarious. 845 00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.360 And does he smoke a pipe privately or is that 846 00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:48.119 just for the show? 847 00:41:48.599 --> 00:41:50.800 Cigars? As soon as I got there, there you want 848 00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:55.159 a cigar? Yeah, sure, I don't. Maybe I said no. 849 00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:56.119 I can't remember because I don't. 850 00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:57.840 I try to smile. 851 00:41:57.880 --> 00:41:59.559 I try not to, but like you also don't want 852 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:01.360 to say no. You're like being, you know, invited to. 853 00:42:02.239 --> 00:42:04.360 If Joe rogan off form me a cigar, I'm sure, 854 00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:07.840 but yeah, I know he had cigars. I don't know 855 00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:09.400 if there was a pipe, but but no, he's just 856 00:42:09.519 --> 00:42:12.679 he's he's pretty much. I think he's more of a 857 00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:16.000 serious conversation kind of person than you would expect because 858 00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:19.119 people think of Sam as a comedian and sketch guy. 859 00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:24.880 But he would be super serious talking about like philosophy 860 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:26.760 or history or impression. 861 00:42:26.880 --> 00:42:29.079 I get that impression because you know, many people who 862 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:32.599 have really high IQs and who are very serious, thoughtful people, 863 00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:35.360 they feel very alone and they have a hard time 864 00:42:35.519 --> 00:42:38.360 being They have a hard time relating to other people, 865 00:42:38.840 --> 00:42:42.400 so they try to like mimic this personality that's sometimes vulgar, 866 00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:46.440 sometimes rude, thinking that that's like, you know what, what 867 00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:50.519 other people want when in reality it's this person really 868 00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:53.159 just enjoys really deep, really serious conversations. 869 00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.519 Yeah. Yeah, I mean he's We've had a few conversations 870 00:42:56.519 --> 00:43:00.199 about Christianity, Orthodoxy. He's working on he's been working on 871 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:06.360 for many years creating a video game and he wants 872 00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.920 to incorporate Christian themes and sci fi and so we 873 00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:13.639 had several one or two long conversations about like Christian 874 00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:16.760 theology in this video game or and it might turn 875 00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:19.440 into a board game or I'm nice ser exactly where 876 00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:22.039 he wants to go with it. But but yeah, so 877 00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:25.639 I think I think he's definitely like today he's just 878 00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:29.440 saying basically, Christ is king, when Ted Cruz says, if 879 00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:33.360 you say Christ is king, you're against is Christ is King? Right? 880 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:38.559 So so I think he has this recent in the 881 00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:41.480 last two or three years interest definitely in Christianity, and 882 00:43:41.480 --> 00:43:44.480 we've had a couple of conversations. But I know that 883 00:43:44.599 --> 00:43:46.880 he got tired. He got so many people asking him 884 00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:48.679 at his shows when are you going to become Orthodox 885 00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:53.000 that he actually said stop asking me when of Orthodox? 886 00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:55.719 So a lot of the Ortho bros Are also you know, 887 00:43:55.920 --> 00:43:57.800 a million dollar Streme sam Id fans. 888 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:01.239 So yeah, well, I mean several people in my parish 889 00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:04.440 big fans of Sam Hyde. What about I mean, you 890 00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:08.480 debated Nick Fantis back on the day before Nick was big. 891 00:44:08.559 --> 00:44:10.599 I mean have you had any contact with him since then? 892 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:13.519 We've had a little bit of drama, uh in the 893 00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:20.840 last year, only because what happened was somebody said, would 894 00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:24.079 you debate Nick quent this again? I remember, and I said, yeah, 895 00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:27.360 sure I would. I said, yeah, I would. And then 896 00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.960 people don't realize that I have multiple people that run 897 00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:33.519 clips channels that I don't run. I run a couple 898 00:44:33.519 --> 00:44:35.519 of clip channels that people have given me that they 899 00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:37.480 don't want anymore. Like Kyle used to do my clip 900 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:39.320 channels that he started, Oh, and he just gave it 901 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:41.159 to me. You want dire clod, yes, sure, and then 902 00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:44.679 I have my clip channel called dire live Streams or 903 00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:47.719 whatever absurdities. But all those other clips channels, I don't 904 00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:50.760 even know who runs those. Oh they just clipped myself. 905 00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:53.599 And I told people because I got the idea from 906 00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:56.199 seeing other people doing this model, where if you just 907 00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:59.280 tell other people to run free with it, like it's 908 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:03.119 a better mark approach. I'm not even a big marketing dude, 909 00:45:03.199 --> 00:45:06.000 but like, it just seemed more common sense to me 910 00:45:06.119 --> 00:45:07.960 that if I just let people clip the crop out 911 00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:10.559 of it, then that's less work that I have to 912 00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:12.559 do clipping because I hate doing clipping. 913 00:45:12.599 --> 00:45:14.360 So it also leads back to your. 914 00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:17.079 Make eventually leads back. So I just told everybody in 915 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:19.280 the last year clip like crazy to go do whatever 916 00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.239 you want. And it's several of those clip channels have 917 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:26.159 grown pretty good. And two of the clip channels reposted 918 00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:29.519 the Nick debate after I said I would debate him again, 919 00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:32.519 and that got back to Nick, who took offense to 920 00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:34.719 that because he thought I was trying to ankle bite 921 00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:38.400 and get attention, and he said, oh, Diere's a coward 922 00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:40.000 and I'm not ever going to debate him on theology 923 00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:41.800 again or whatever. I forget what all he said, but 924 00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:46.440 it was basically somewhat of misunderstanding because I said I 925 00:45:46.480 --> 00:45:48.760 would debate him again. I didn't say I'm going to 926 00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:50.679 debate him again, so he took it like I was 927 00:45:50.719 --> 00:45:53.440 talking smack when I was just saying I would ye. 928 00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:57.920 But also, like the only area that I've consistently been 929 00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:00.639 critical because I don't go into people's personal lives online 930 00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:04.119 typically unless there's some big voice of a voice of 931 00:46:04.159 --> 00:46:07.480 reason schedule, like, yeah, I don't usually talk about that 932 00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:10.079 kind of stuff unless we're making a joke, So I 933 00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:12.920 don't know or follow Nick's personal drama or anything like that. 934 00:46:13.079 --> 00:46:15.440 I just consistently have said I disagree with the papacy, 935 00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:18.000 the same position ten years ago when we had that 936 00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.639 debate where I disagree with the papacy. So when we 937 00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:23.320 talked about that happening, I said, I would just debate 938 00:46:23.320 --> 00:46:24.760 you on the papers because it's word the area I 939 00:46:24.760 --> 00:46:27.480 disagree and Nick said, I don't debate theology. It's I'm 940 00:46:27.480 --> 00:46:30.079 a politics guy. So really there was It was a 941 00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:34.719 lot of kind of smoke over nothing, basically. So I 942 00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.280 reached out to Ryan Rivera, who's friends with Nick, because 943 00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:39.800 right in the midst of all that, Sam had Nick 944 00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:43.599 on so they did a podcast and I said, hey, Ryan, 945 00:46:43.639 --> 00:46:46.039 would you reach out to Nick and say, Look, I 946 00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:49.199 wasn't trying to ankle bite or grab, you know, because 947 00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:51.519 I don't think your followers are going to like the 948 00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:53.320 fact that I would debate you on the papacy anyway, 949 00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:56.840 So like, I'm not I wouldn't really benefit from that 950 00:46:57.119 --> 00:47:02.360 anyway unless we debated something political because most of Nick's 951 00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:05.000 audience is into politics anyway, so they're not really going 952 00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:08.280 to care about my critique of the Vatican. So anyway, 953 00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:10.239 I think it's a lot of smoke over nothing. Really. 954 00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:13.039 What are some areas where just short summary of areas 955 00:47:13.039 --> 00:47:16.519 where you and Nick would differ on political geopolitical issues 956 00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:18.920 in a big way, or it would be more so 957 00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:22.960 matters of say nuance, What are you would differ. 958 00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:27.000 I mean I see clips of Nicks. I don't see 959 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.639 this the full show on a day to day basis, 960 00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:31.800 and most of the clips that I hear is just 961 00:47:31.800 --> 00:47:34.280 typically the same this same stuff I talk about, and 962 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:36.599 I think a lot of the audience that does like 963 00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:39.039 both of our stuff. They almost always say, you guys 964 00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:40.320 are pretty much on the same page. 965 00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:44.079 Yeah, I watched I've been watching a series with troll Webin. 966 00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:48.360 It's very good. It's very good. I mean, when he 967 00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:50.679 lays out what he wants, it's like, yeah, this is 968 00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:55.800 this is what I want too. I haven't listened to 969 00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:58.760 much of his stuff, just one on one, you know, 970 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:02.840 and it's un rumbled hardly anything. I do listen to 971 00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:07.679 your stuff. I like your stuff. What about Steven Crowder, 972 00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:09.639 You've worked with Crowder before. How did how did you 973 00:48:09.639 --> 00:48:10.039 come across? 974 00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:13.000 I actually Andrew just set up a debate, or not 975 00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:17.480 a debate, a discussion with Crowder's co host Gerald. So 976 00:48:17.639 --> 00:48:20.039 Gerald is, I guess, the CEO or the co host 977 00:48:20.079 --> 00:48:27.360 of Crowder's operation. So Gerald does a show called something Apologetics, 978 00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:30.719 So he just basically has like he had Tim Gordon 979 00:48:30.840 --> 00:48:35.159 on to talk Catholicism and Evangelicalism, and before that he 980 00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:37.719 had had Andrew on to talk about feminism, and then 981 00:48:37.760 --> 00:48:41.079 he had me on to talk about Orthodoxy and Christian Zionism. 982 00:48:41.679 --> 00:48:44.719 So we had a we had a pretty extensive hour 983 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:48.320 long conversation about like what's wrong with John Hagey and 984 00:48:48.360 --> 00:48:51.719 Ted Cruz and how is that not orthodox? And you know, 985 00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:54.719 what's the orthodox view of Israel and Zionism and all that. 986 00:48:54.840 --> 00:48:57.800 So that just came about because Andrew suggested me, and 987 00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:02.239 then I interacted with Gerald on Twitter. So we're supposed 988 00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:04.039 to do another one of these, a part two, because 989 00:49:04.039 --> 00:49:09.840 we had a really pretty pretty expansive It wasn't a 990 00:49:09.840 --> 00:49:13.920 heated disagreement. It was like we actually talked about topics 991 00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:17.880 that I didn't expect we would talk about. Well, I mean, 992 00:49:17.960 --> 00:49:20.880 I don't I mean, we got deeper into Christian Zionism 993 00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:24.920 than I expected to get into so and that you know, 994 00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:27.119 he was pretty receptive. I think of all the criticisms 995 00:49:27.119 --> 00:49:29.760 that we would have as Orthodox so and I know 996 00:49:30.239 --> 00:49:33.079 I've not met Crowder. I think Andrew has but Crowder 997 00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:39.400 had an interest in Orthodoxy. But I'm supposed to go 998 00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:41.800 back on there and have a discussion again with Gerald 999 00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:43.559 round two. I don't know what he wants to talk about, 1000 00:49:43.599 --> 00:49:47.800 but they have expressed some degree of interest in Orthodox ideas. 1001 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:52.559 So wonderful. Why do you think it is so many 1002 00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.960 guys gen Z guys really like your stuff. 1003 00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:03.960 I I think the Internet has made it easy for 1004 00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:13.360 intelligent people to quickly assess issues that Gen X and 1005 00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:19.920 Boomers took a decade to assess. So, for example, Christian Zionism, 1006 00:50:20.960 --> 00:50:23.400 Boomers and Gen X, many of them are still stuck 1007 00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:26.119 in just some sort of default. Well, of course, we 1008 00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:31.719 got sport Israel America Israel in the Bible, Yeah exactly. 1009 00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:36.880 BB and Yahoo was prophesied by John Hagen exactly. 1010 00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:40.039 And what was that we were playing? 1011 00:50:40.039 --> 00:50:44.519 This made Muslims. If one of them is good, that 1012 00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:47.519 that makes the other one. Yeah, if one's bad. The other. 1013 00:50:47.559 --> 00:50:48.760 One's good, right. 1014 00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:51.719 The run is only two weeks away from a nucletar bum. 1015 00:50:51.800 --> 00:50:55.679 Yeah, for the record, my neighbor bad, it was only 1016 00:50:55.719 --> 00:51:01.519 two weeks from a nuclear bomb. So yeah, down the street, 1017 00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:06.639 Bob is only two weeks from a nuclear bomb. Speaking 1018 00:51:06.639 --> 00:51:11.159 of which, I'm only two weeks from another podcast. 1019 00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:12.440 Who's next? 1020 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:17.000 I don't know. I can't say. I can't say. Yeah, 1021 00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:20.280 I'll go before, I'll go before Congress, and I'll make 1022 00:51:20.280 --> 00:51:24.360 sure they'll all wear suits. My showman, they'll all stand up. 1023 00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:29.599 Danny is only two weeks from another podcast. 1024 00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:32.920 By region, is only two weeks away from a nuclear bomb. 1025 00:51:33.239 --> 00:51:35.280 No one wants to be associated with that guy right now, 1026 00:51:35.960 --> 00:51:36.559 not after. 1027 00:51:36.400 --> 00:51:37.840 What he's a nuclear bomb now. 1028 00:51:39.760 --> 00:51:43.039 Being around that guy is like having cat poop smeared 1029 00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:47.760 on you. It's not It's not something you want to 1030 00:51:47.800 --> 00:51:54.360 associate with anyway. Sorry, So where do you? I mean? Yeah? 1031 00:51:54.360 --> 00:51:56.519 Why is it that they really get into you? 1032 00:51:57.119 --> 00:52:01.079 I think that we were. I'm at a weird age 1033 00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:04.760 group where I'm at the cosp of gen X and millennial, 1034 00:52:04.880 --> 00:52:07.960 so I can kind of bridge that gap, and usually 1035 00:52:08.880 --> 00:52:11.880 gen Z are going to be kind of looking at 1036 00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:14.760 people that are a little bit older. Millennial that have 1037 00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.320 been kind of doing Internet stuff. That's what they're going 1038 00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:20.800 to see. And I think we ended up hitting on 1039 00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:24.599 key problems in society that they can assess a lot 1040 00:52:24.679 --> 00:52:28.079 quicker than boomers or gen X can, such as the 1041 00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:34.199 problems of like evangelical Zionism, or basic questions about you know, well, 1042 00:52:34.480 --> 00:52:38.599 Protestantism has all of these huge systemic level flaws. The 1043 00:52:38.639 --> 00:52:42.079 Vatican has huge systemic level flaws for people that are 1044 00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:46.760 entrenched in boomer gen X mindsets that are not open 1045 00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:50.960 to questioning. You're always when you're younger, you're a lot 1046 00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:53.360 more open to questioning than when you get older. So 1047 00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:55.960 I think those guys are seeing a lot of good 1048 00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:57.960 questions being raised. Even if I don't have all the 1049 00:52:58.000 --> 00:53:00.000 right answers or whatever, I think we do a good 1050 00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:04.400 job highlighting key issues that are problems, and they have 1051 00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:09.920 enough discernment and can at least usually discern information decent 1052 00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:14.639 enough to say, Okay, look, the Catholics are not addressing 1053 00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:17.719 these huge issues. Protestants are not addressing these huge issues. 1054 00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:21.360 And now we've at reached the stage where and I 1055 00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:24.239 think you could vibe with this, like a lot of 1056 00:53:24.239 --> 00:53:26.760 the Protestants and Catholics are kind of moving away from debating. 1057 00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:29.760 Trent Horne has said I'm not going to debate anymore 1058 00:53:29.760 --> 00:53:33.639 because Andrew and Jay have made it toxic. Yeah, that's 1059 00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:36.119 what he said. Recently, he says I'm done debating is 1060 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:38.239 toxic now, I mean he may still do a debate. 1061 00:53:38.239 --> 00:53:40.320 But that was something like that in the video, because 1062 00:53:40.360 --> 00:53:43.000 I'm sure now that I've said that, the Darter's line 1063 00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:46.440 about Trent's video it was something like that. And then 1064 00:53:46.519 --> 00:53:49.559 in the Protestant world it was like Cleave and Galvin 1065 00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:51.679 Ortland were like the last couple of dudes at debate 1066 00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:54.880 and then then basically they've quit Cleaves or the Dox. 1067 00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:57.000 So Galvin's not really going to do any more debates. 1068 00:53:57.400 --> 00:54:02.920 He's come to the to the divine light side. 1069 00:54:04.239 --> 00:54:09.840 West Hoff debated one dumb grifter Billy Corson, and now 1070 00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:12.639 he won't debate anybody because multiple I mean, I've asked 1071 00:54:12.760 --> 00:54:15.400 Wes multiple times for Ruslam, even reached out to west 1072 00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:18.159 Up to debate me, and now he won't do anyone'll 1073 00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:21.320 do it. So I think they basically the whole in 1074 00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:25.840 the religious sphere, like those guys that basically quit, nobody 1075 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:28.280 really wants to have serious debate with Worthox people, because 1076 00:54:28.960 --> 00:54:31.320 you performed very well, I think in the debates that 1077 00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:33.679 you did with the Catholics. I think I've done well 1078 00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:37.440 with Protestants and Muslims, and even even the Muslims have 1079 00:54:37.519 --> 00:54:38.079 kind of like. 1080 00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:41.320 The coverage of the Islamic dilemma was phenomenal. 1081 00:54:40.840 --> 00:54:44.119 Thank you, phenomenal, And even the Muslims have kind of 1082 00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:48.360 like died down. They're not as aggressive online as they were. 1083 00:54:48.400 --> 00:54:50.159 So I think a lot of people are seeing, like 1084 00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:53.840 you know, when it comes to the actual intellectual issues, 1085 00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:57.639 who did the best. Really, there's just a couple of 1086 00:54:57.639 --> 00:54:59.960 atheists did an atheists debate a couple of days ago. 1087 00:55:00.039 --> 00:55:01.599 That was the first time I've done atheist debate in 1088 00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:03.760 probably three or four years. 1089 00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:06.239 So people, I mean, like I hear this all the time. 1090 00:55:06.280 --> 00:55:09.039 Like one cleric I was talking to a clergyman, Orthox clergyman. 1091 00:55:09.119 --> 00:55:13.039 He was, you know, he's a boomer and he's a 1092 00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:15.280 very nice man. I love him very much, And he said, 1093 00:55:15.440 --> 00:55:17.320 I don't like debates at all. I think they're a 1094 00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:20.679 waste of time. And you know, I'm thinking, like there's 1095 00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:24.239 three people at my parish now simply because of that 1096 00:55:24.760 --> 00:55:27.159 debate with Voice of Reason. There's three people at my 1097 00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:28.280 perish because of that. 1098 00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:33.840 Debates. I think this is a lost art form one 1099 00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:36.639 because you know, this is part of classical pedagogy. You 1100 00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:38.960 learned to do debate and writing rhetoric as well. That's 1101 00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:42.039 all part of the classical education scheme. So it's odd 1102 00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:44.920 to me that anybody who's educated, in no offense to 1103 00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:47.119 your to your priests, that they would think that that's 1104 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:49.400 somehow bad or something. I think it's typically kind of 1105 00:55:49.400 --> 00:55:54.280 a maybe an American evangelical mindset to think that that 1106 00:55:54.360 --> 00:55:57.760 stuff is mean and it's it's too intellectual or whatever. 1107 00:55:58.119 --> 00:55:59.280 It's also a boomer thing. 1108 00:55:59.280 --> 00:55:59.960 It's a boomer thing. 1109 00:56:00.119 --> 00:56:02.760 They grew up in a world that was extremely homogenous, 1110 00:56:03.280 --> 00:56:06.239 and so the idea of confrontation is very like, we're 1111 00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.440 civilized people, we don't do this. We can agree to disagree, 1112 00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:11.840 meeting in the middle, put in a cyber what I want, 1113 00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:13.440 what you want to meet. You know, that's a strength. 1114 00:56:14.119 --> 00:56:18.960 Whereas for gen Z and for millennials, especially for gen Z, 1115 00:56:19.079 --> 00:56:22.360 though they've seen like, look, there's no meeting in the 1116 00:56:22.400 --> 00:56:25.199 middle with the barbarian hordes that are flooding across the 1117 00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:27.840 board right there's no there's no meeting in the middle 1118 00:56:27.840 --> 00:56:31.440 of these these he b barbarians. It's not going to happen. 1119 00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:37.159 Totally different type of people. Yeah, and many of those 1120 00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:42.400 people don't share the same appreciation for debate and intellectually 1121 00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:45.400 they'd rather just punch you or you know, you know 1122 00:56:45.440 --> 00:56:49.039 you're talking about to say, ad iq Arab Muslim populations. 1123 00:56:49.039 --> 00:56:50.760 They're not going to debate you. They don't care about 1124 00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:55.400 the virtues of the you know, federalist papers or we're 1125 00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:56.880 going to get the you know, these feble to read 1126 00:56:56.880 --> 00:56:58.559 the federalist papers and understand the Constitution. 1127 00:56:59.360 --> 00:57:02.920 You're not hash tuns to be you know. Yeah, the 1128 00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.360 I mean, and that's the other things you hear people say, 1129 00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:08.320 like well in the debates, it's so rude, and you go, hey, 1130 00:57:08.360 --> 00:57:11.519 what about the church fathers. I mean, you have vitriolic language, 1131 00:57:11.519 --> 00:57:17.039 I mean vitriolic language. Oh yeah, especially you know St. 1132 00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:20.360 Cyril repeatedly calling mysterious names. You know, I mean, if 1133 00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:27.559 you read Saint Cyril's somewhere around here, Saint Cyril's Glefira, 1134 00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:33.519 it's commentary on the Torah. Uh. The editor has to 1135 00:57:34.800 --> 00:57:38.960 give a disclaimer on the anti Jewish, anti Judaism. I 1136 00:57:39.000 --> 00:57:42.400 should say anti Judaism, not anti Jewish, because we were. 1137 00:57:42.679 --> 00:57:46.079 We don't hate Jews, right, it's not that we love them. 1138 00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:48.639 We want to save them. We want them, We want 1139 00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:51.480 them to be regrafted onto the body of Christ and 1140 00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:54.400 to the chosen people. The Church Church is a chosen 1141 00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:57.760 but we want to regrapt them. On right, the religion 1142 00:57:57.760 --> 00:57:59.639 has become a cult. We we love Jews, that's why 1143 00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:01.079 we want to save them. We don't have to save 1144 00:58:01.119 --> 00:58:04.039 them from burning in hell for all eternity, because that's 1145 00:58:04.039 --> 00:58:06.280 that's where it's going. I mean, without Christ, there's there's 1146 00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.519 no salvation. That's what it is. And I hear this, 1147 00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:13.800 you know, well, actually if I just we can't judge it. No, 1148 00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:17.039 we can't. We can't. Christ is very very clear on this. 1149 00:58:17.360 --> 00:58:20.559 I'm the Alpha of the Omega. There's one way. 1150 00:58:20.400 --> 00:58:22.360 At can't reject Christ. Which is why it was so 1151 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:24.960 kind of shocking to me when we were having that 1152 00:58:25.039 --> 00:58:28.719 last phase of the attempt at the Catholic Apologist to 1153 00:58:28.760 --> 00:58:33.320 defend this idea that the God of Christianity is identical 1154 00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:36.800 to the God of Islam, because Vatican too says that, 1155 00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:38.920 and it's like, well, John saysn't one John two that 1156 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:41.320 if you reject the son, you reject the father, you 1157 00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:43.760 can't have the son without the father, et cetera. So 1158 00:58:44.679 --> 00:58:47.440 this idea that, you know, oh, will appeal to more 1159 00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:50.159 people if we just you know, pretend that the Abrahamic 1160 00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:55.119 faith is this common generic monotheism. It's not. So yeah, 1161 00:58:55.159 --> 00:59:00.280 that's that's that's the you know, hard truth of John fourteen. Right, 1162 00:59:00.440 --> 00:59:02.199 I'm the way that d'red in life. Nobody comes to 1163 00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:02.880 father without me. 1164 00:59:02.960 --> 00:59:05.639 So yeah, it's very straightforward. Yeah, but it's and it's 1165 00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:08.960 you know, we're told constantly, well you're mean this. That's like, look, 1166 00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:13.199 you leave these patristic works. They're really quite abrasive, and 1167 00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:15.400 you go, well, that was a culture back then. Okay, 1168 00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:19.480 that's now the culture. What are you going to do? Well, 1169 00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:21.639 it was a culture then, it was, okay, but now 1170 00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:24.119 it's not. But well no it is now it is 1171 00:59:24.159 --> 00:59:27.239 now again. If you base your arguments and relativism and 1172 00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:31.119 how the culture is, you've completely lost, right that objection. 1173 00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:36.280 Well, Americanism is also premised on pluralism, and so people 1174 00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.719 just assume, especially a lot of boomers, the presupposition is 1175 00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:45.159 that pluralism is a virtue, is it. I mean, maybe 1176 00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:48.960 it's not right. So you know, if we're committed and 1177 00:59:49.119 --> 00:59:52.159 believe our positions, then you can't. And by the way, 1178 00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:56.400 like you're pointed out earlier, these other cultures, they're not pluralistic, 1179 00:59:56.519 --> 01:00:00.440 especially like Islam. Islam doesn't care about your tall rents 1180 01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:02.920 and you're they're not going to return the favor of 1181 01:00:02.960 --> 01:00:05.280 your you know, they they. 1182 01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:08.239 Think that you seeding points and trying to meddle. Yeah, 1183 01:00:08.239 --> 01:00:09.880 they don't. Yeah, they don't view it as a strength 1184 01:00:09.960 --> 01:00:12.239 to be reciprocated. They viewed as a weakness to be 1185 01:00:12.320 --> 01:00:13.559 exploited exactly. 1186 01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:15.840 So that's a kind of a naivety. I think that 1187 01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:21.320 a lot of the boomer mindset is susceptible too, But yeah, 1188 01:00:21.360 --> 01:00:24.840 I think that also the gen z is in millennials 1189 01:00:24.840 --> 01:00:27.159 as well, Like a lot of people are just realizing 1190 01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:31.199 that Protestantism and modern you know, gay Catholicism, it's just 1191 01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:35.199 who wants that? So what's left? I mean, there's not 1192 01:00:35.199 --> 01:00:37.599 a whole lot of other options. And there is, you know, 1193 01:00:37.880 --> 01:00:40.840 a growing Orthodox Church, which you know, when you go there, 1194 01:00:40.920 --> 01:00:43.639 you at least don't see hip hop mass. You don't 1195 01:00:43.639 --> 01:00:46.599 see a clown mass. You don't see you know, some 1196 01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:51.199 crazy Protestant past or I don't know, pouring angemima syrup 1197 01:00:51.239 --> 01:00:52.920 on the Bible like some of the megachurch. Yeah, there 1198 01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.679 was a megachurch pastor that was like, I think it 1199 01:00:55.719 --> 01:00:58.000 was an analogy to like eating the Word, and he was. 1200 01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:00.119 Like, I don't pour some hot some hot syrup on 1201 01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:00.639 his bible. 1202 01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:03.119 Ryo. Yeah, it went viral, it was. 1203 01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:03.400 It was. 1204 01:01:03.559 --> 01:01:05.400 But I'm saying, like, that's just clown church, you know 1205 01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:09.079 what I mean? Exactly who wants to go to clown church? 1206 01:01:09.159 --> 01:01:09.280 Right? 1207 01:01:09.320 --> 01:01:12.599 I think people see, well, at least Orthodox church visibly 1208 01:01:12.719 --> 01:01:19.400 is esthetically pleasing, it's ordered, it's rational, it's sensible, and 1209 01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:22.679 so I think just those kinds of basic things resonate 1210 01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:25.880 with people who are looking for some idea of what 1211 01:01:26.639 --> 01:01:30.880 a historic traditional religion would look like. 1212 01:01:33.039 --> 01:01:34.960 I'm the one of the well actually that I know, 1213 01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:37.400 the only person I know who's not surprised at the 1214 01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:41.519 amount of conversions going on. And the reason is I 1215 01:01:41.559 --> 01:01:44.920 could just tell with society going down the toilet and 1216 01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:47.880 culture going down the toilet, people would come flooding in 1217 01:01:48.039 --> 01:01:51.599 conversion because they want something stable, and like you said, okay, 1218 01:01:51.639 --> 01:01:54.079 so getting back to that, point about when you go 1219 01:01:54.119 --> 01:02:00.679 into an Orthox church, it looks ancient, it smells ancient, 1220 01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:06.760 it sounds ancient, it feels ancient. Ancient is stable. It's endured, right, 1221 01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:10.320 It's endured through the ages. But when you go into say, 1222 01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:14.320 you know, your standard Roman Catholic church, you know, it's 1223 01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:16.920 sort of stripped down, it looks like a Lutheran church. 1224 01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:22.000 You know, the Latin Mass movement is effectively dead. I 1225 01:02:22.039 --> 01:02:24.239 predicted years ago when I was on your show that 1226 01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:27.480 within our lifetimes the Latin Mass would effectively be like 1227 01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:31.639 the most Arabic, right, you know, handful parish. Yeah, it's 1228 01:02:31.719 --> 01:02:35.039 it's a tourist attraction. Now you're going to see more 1229 01:02:35.079 --> 01:02:41.280 Latin Mass parishes surviving outside of papal control than inside 1230 01:02:41.280 --> 01:02:43.280 of it. They really just want to get rid of it. 1231 01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:46.360 And so you're left with what was what's effectively just 1232 01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:51.159 you know, a you know, friendly community of boomers as 1233 01:02:51.159 --> 01:02:54.280 opposed to something that really nourishes you. And that's not 1234 01:02:54.280 --> 01:02:56.079 to say there aren't good people there. I remember, good 1235 01:02:56.079 --> 01:03:00.159 people are Romans, Catholics, very good, you know, but it 1236 01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:02.360 is it is not what it was. And you notice 1237 01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:06.360 that whenever these Catholic YouTubers try to advertise Catholicism. It's 1238 01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:10.039 always Byzantine icons. It's images of this traditional Latin Mass. 1239 01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:12.280 When I lived in Seattle, it was one hundred and 1240 01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:17.639 ninety two parishes in the Archdiocese of Seattle. One of 1241 01:03:17.679 --> 01:03:20.760 them was a Latin Mass. And they talk about how 1242 01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:22.199 people drove from so far. 1243 01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:24.480 I drove two hours throughout my twenties to go to 1244 01:03:24.559 --> 01:03:25.119 Latin Mass. 1245 01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:27.199 Yeah, and they drive so far, but so okay, and 1246 01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:29.840 this is still all you can get. I mean, people 1247 01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:33.000 are just they're not really into it. It's it's the 1248 01:03:33.039 --> 01:03:35.400 audience is not there for it, you know. I mean 1249 01:03:35.599 --> 01:03:39.199 the audience for the Latin Mass is not there in Catholicism, 1250 01:03:39.719 --> 01:03:42.159 just like the audience for Western right Orthodox he is 1251 01:03:42.199 --> 01:03:45.360 not really present in the Orthodox Church. That's not to 1252 01:03:45.519 --> 01:03:48.440 slam the Western right stuff, but it's just it's a reality. 1253 01:03:51.079 --> 01:03:53.320 How would you say that you've grown or changed as 1254 01:03:53.320 --> 01:03:55.039 a person since entering the church? 1255 01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:56.519 Good question. 1256 01:03:57.400 --> 01:03:58.599 I mean, how many years has it been? 1257 01:03:58.639 --> 01:03:58.840 Now? 1258 01:03:59.559 --> 01:03:59.880 Seven? 1259 01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:04.039 If you count catechumen, it in eight or nine. OK. 1260 01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:10.599 But I think you know, Father Turbo Calls said it 1261 01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:13.880 best when he said, when you're before your Orthodox you 1262 01:04:13.960 --> 01:04:16.880 kind of think all these things out there, I'm going 1263 01:04:16.960 --> 01:04:19.159 to fix all these problems out there you need to change. 1264 01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:21.320 And then when you become orthodox and after a few years, 1265 01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:24.440 start to realize all the problems that vices that you 1266 01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.760 haven't fixed. Right. So I think that was the biggest 1267 01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:31.920 revelation over the last several years, was rather than worrying 1268 01:04:31.960 --> 01:04:35.440 so much about everybody else's problems in the politics and 1269 01:04:35.519 --> 01:04:38.039 the geopolitics and all that stuff and fixing the world, 1270 01:04:38.119 --> 01:04:44.679 it really changes the focus about beating the passions. So 1271 01:04:45.960 --> 01:04:50.960 I would say that hopefully, by God's grace, I made 1272 01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:55.360 some progress in terms of beating some passions. I don't 1273 01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:59.480 think that I had as much patience nowadays as I 1274 01:04:59.519 --> 01:05:04.960 did six seven years ago. So this year, for example, especially, 1275 01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:08.599 I wanted to focus on, you know, due to my 1276 01:05:08.679 --> 01:05:14.639 spiritual father's guidance and whatnot, just trying to be dispassionate 1277 01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:18.519 about what people are doing in debates, because I had 1278 01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:21.679 a tendency to just immediately react to whatever person in 1279 01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:24.880 debates doing to me. If they're getting vicious, I get vicious, right, 1280 01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:28.400 And so last two big debates we've had, I focused 1281 01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:33.360 on just being dispassionate and letting them kind of go crazy. 1282 01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:37.719 I don't have to be as crazy back, and you 1283 01:05:37.760 --> 01:05:42.719 can still be effective, you know, without being super equally aggressive. 1284 01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:45.239 So I just let the past two atheists go coat 1285 01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:48.119 wild and I just kind of sit there and chill out, hopefully, 1286 01:05:48.960 --> 01:05:51.840 and not just with that debate public setting, but also 1287 01:05:51.880 --> 01:05:55.400 with my wife and other settings like being patient. Wives 1288 01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:57.960 are great for learning patients like you have to you know, 1289 01:05:58.119 --> 01:06:01.199 figure out how to nap gate that whole world. As 1290 01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:04.280 you said, women have a civilizing effect on dudes. So 1291 01:06:04.280 --> 01:06:08.000 hopefully my wife has also contributed to some spiritual growth. 1292 01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:10.559 I mean, obviously have other passions that I've not still 1293 01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:13.800 get impatients still get you know, have lustful thoughts, still 1294 01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:19.119 have temptation to other vices. But I think from a 1295 01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:22.320 practical perspective, like learning to be patient with people has 1296 01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:25.239 been the first big lesson and overcoming a lot of anger, 1297 01:06:25.280 --> 01:06:27.400 I know, like like one thing that will happen. And 1298 01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:29.519 maybe other people have discussed this new Orthodox world and 1299 01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:33.320 when you become Orthodox, you you especially during land like 1300 01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:36.039 you get tempted with certain types of things that are 1301 01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:40.000 intent on ruining you. And I know that like a 1302 01:06:40.039 --> 01:06:45.440 couple easters back, we had some really bad things happen 1303 01:06:45.719 --> 01:06:51.360 and even my priest got really kind of in my 1304 01:06:51.440 --> 01:06:55.519 face rebuking me, and he needed to. It was a 1305 01:06:55.559 --> 01:07:01.039 good rebuke, but when the rebukes are happening, it's not pleasant. 1306 01:07:01.280 --> 01:07:04.280 It's very unpleasant when you're getting reviewed. But looking back 1307 01:07:04.320 --> 01:07:07.079 on that, I'm like, I'm actually glad that that happened. 1308 01:07:07.079 --> 01:07:09.639 So the point being there is just that, like when 1309 01:07:09.679 --> 01:07:11.400 you're in the Orthodox world for a while, you will 1310 01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:16.119 begin to it's almost like there's a it's like a 1311 01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:20.840 doctor assessing the main problems that you have, and your 1312 01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:23.760 first inclination is to say I don't have those problems, 1313 01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:27.079 but then over time you realize, oh, actually I do. 1314 01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:32.400 So that has been I think the biggest revelation, hopefully 1315 01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:35.480 for the first you know, eight years of Orthodoxy is 1316 01:07:35.840 --> 01:07:38.239 that kind of stuff. And then we had a good 1317 01:07:38.239 --> 01:07:39.880 discussion with Father Turbo the other day, and I think 1318 01:07:39.880 --> 01:07:42.639 a lot of people say he's spiritually gifted with being 1319 01:07:42.639 --> 01:07:46.239 able to kind of immediately assess what your problem is. 1320 01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:50.159 But he doesn't tell you your problem in an overt way. 1321 01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:52.239 He kind of just talks to you and lets you 1322 01:07:52.360 --> 01:07:55.239 realize what your problems are. So he's very he's very 1323 01:07:55.480 --> 01:07:59.559 skilled and gifted at that and we did a good 1324 01:07:59.599 --> 01:08:02.079 podcast something that highlighted this issue. And so I'm just 1325 01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:05.960 giving a shout out to Father Turbo. But yeah, I 1326 01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:08.679 hopefully I think that. But the other thing I learned 1327 01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:11.880 too is like you're gonna be battling the passions your 1328 01:08:11.880 --> 01:08:14.840 whole life. Yeah, and so you can't get like super 1329 01:08:15.079 --> 01:08:18.479 down because you don't defeat all the passions within a 1330 01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:21.640 couple of years. I think a lot of people have 1331 01:08:21.680 --> 01:08:24.039 a mindset of, oh, I mean I'm orthodox now, like 1332 01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:27.079 you know, it's over, it's cool. I one, Well, no, 1333 01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:30.000 now you have to fight the passions and then you're 1334 01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:34.159 gonna You're not gonna beat those overnight. So that's another 1335 01:08:35.319 --> 01:08:38.079 thing you have to grapple with, you know what I mean. 1336 01:08:38.199 --> 01:08:39.840 I mean, we're always going to be battling these things. 1337 01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:42.720 It's not like oh yeah, I mean, for example, I 1338 01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:45.039 don't have it. I'm not I'm not tempted to steal stuff. 1339 01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:47.439 That's not a vice for me. But other things are 1340 01:08:47.479 --> 01:08:51.680 a temptation. So are those temptations going to go away? 1341 01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:53.680 Probably not as long as I'm alive. 1342 01:08:54.159 --> 01:08:57.239 Right, It's like St. Anthony the Great says, expect temptation 1343 01:08:57.439 --> 01:08:58.840 till the last bru exactly. 1344 01:08:59.640 --> 01:08:59.840 Yeah. 1345 01:08:59.840 --> 01:09:02.560 I mean when you enter the church, you're really entering 1346 01:09:03.000 --> 01:09:07.359 the gym. So to say that you're entering the training center, 1347 01:09:07.520 --> 01:09:11.199 you're being trained to be a fighter. And you know 1348 01:09:11.319 --> 01:09:16.000 those periods are fasting, those are your sparring sessions. Those 1349 01:09:16.000 --> 01:09:19.600 periods of non fasting, you're building up muscle, you're learning 1350 01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:24.399 the moves. You go into Lent. That is your that's 1351 01:09:24.439 --> 01:09:27.000 your tournament, that's your you know, that's your live tournament. 1352 01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:29.520 You know your Wednesdays, your Friday is your sparing sessions. 1353 01:09:30.159 --> 01:09:32.159 And yeah, you're gonna get beaten up during Lent. So 1354 01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:35.960 to say you're going to be you know, despondent, depressed. 1355 01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:40.000 We had a priest years ago who told me, years 1356 01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:44.119 and years and years ago, Father Thomas Davis of Blessed Memory, 1357 01:09:44.680 --> 01:09:49.039 and he said that you can tell that it's Lent 1358 01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:54.960 simply from the confessions, because the rates of despondency and 1359 01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:57.880 depression go up because demons don't like it when you're fasting. 1360 01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:00.319 The hate it, right, it's it's I mean, you can 1361 01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:02.359 tell that there's a devil that they're saying that there's 1362 01:10:02.439 --> 01:10:04.920 demons simply from what happens when you start to draw 1363 01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:07.439 close to God, they'll do anything to pull you back. 1364 01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:12.880 They're losing someone. They hate that, and you see it, 1365 01:10:12.920 --> 01:10:16.239 you know. I mean I was actually went with someone 1366 01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:20.720 to accompany them for an exorcism at Saint Anthony's monastery 1367 01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:25.359 years appro two decades ago. And the priest starts to 1368 01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:27.840 read the prayers over this person. And if you think 1369 01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:30.039 you know who this person is, please don't say their name. 1370 01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:34.520 But I remember that the. 1371 01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:37.720 Priest sneaking and I saw him. 1372 01:10:40.880 --> 01:10:44.439 The priest. It was a female. Actually, the priest was 1373 01:10:44.479 --> 01:10:49.199 sitting here and I was sitting here, and the woman 1374 01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:54.039 was sitting here, and the priest goes, okay, kneel down, 1375 01:10:54.760 --> 01:10:56.880 and so she kneels, and I'm sitting here, okay, and 1376 01:10:56.920 --> 01:11:00.520 the priest is here, and he lifted up his his 1377 01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:03.319 stole right, which is what the you know, the priest 1378 01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:07.880 stole there, and he lifted and moved it towards her head. 1379 01:11:08.039 --> 01:11:09.800 And you know how like when you when a cat 1380 01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:11.600 is sitting there and you reach your hand out and 1381 01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:15.039 the cat kind of does that. That stole got close 1382 01:11:15.079 --> 01:11:17.800 to her face and she went like that, and I 1383 01:11:17.880 --> 01:11:20.159 put my hand behind her back, pushed her forward. He 1384 01:11:20.319 --> 01:11:24.279 set the stole on her head and it slammed her 1385 01:11:24.279 --> 01:11:29.039 into the ground and the pleading started in different voices. 1386 01:11:30.039 --> 01:11:34.119 No Rue, She's squirming around, moving, and the priest has 1387 01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:37.520 this book open. He's saying like this. He has this 1388 01:11:37.560 --> 01:11:40.319 book of prayers of exorcism. It's in Greek, and I'm 1389 01:11:40.319 --> 01:11:42.159 like sitting there, I'm kind of looking over it, and 1390 01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:44.279 I'm like, you know, like she's trying to move, and 1391 01:11:44.319 --> 01:11:46.640 I'm like, God, what's she going to do? And she's 1392 01:11:46.720 --> 01:11:50.960 laying on the floor like writhing. And I noticed as 1393 01:11:50.960 --> 01:11:54.119 he's going through this book and the words are very large. 1394 01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:56.840 Every time he said the name Jesus or Jesus Christ, 1395 01:11:56.920 --> 01:12:01.319 her body would drool like it was being electrocuted. And finally, 1396 01:12:02.159 --> 01:12:05.159 what felt like ten minutes. I have no clue how long. 1397 01:12:05.159 --> 01:12:09.560 It was probably about ten minutes, simply because the prayers 1398 01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:13.520 for excorsism are fairly long. But she goes totally silent, 1399 01:12:15.880 --> 01:12:18.800 and the priest looks up at me and he goes breathe. 1400 01:12:22.640 --> 01:12:27.680 She doesn't move. He pulls out some relics moves them 1401 01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:29.800 above her head. What she had done before during the 1402 01:12:29.800 --> 01:12:32.439 exorcism with her eyes closed, He'd bring the relics of 1403 01:12:32.439 --> 01:12:34.439 Saint George above her. That was another point where her 1404 01:12:34.439 --> 01:12:36.840 body would like jolt all of a sudden is being 1405 01:12:36.840 --> 01:12:41.560 electrocuted in I'll never forget that pleading sound. You know, 1406 01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:44.000 they're losing someone. The demons are. They don't like that. 1407 01:12:44.119 --> 01:12:46.640 They don't like it at all. They're punished horribly when 1408 01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:51.159 they lose someone. Right, But it's you know, we have 1409 01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:55.199 to remember that our actions are leading people to Jesus 1410 01:12:55.239 --> 01:12:59.319 or pushing them away from Jesus. You know, even being 1411 01:12:59.359 --> 01:13:02.960 too nice, you know, being a dish rag iss just 1412 01:13:03.000 --> 01:13:05.520 as much pushing people away, telling people they don't need 1413 01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:09.039 to convert. Yeah, yeah, oh, you're just fine where you are. No, 1414 01:13:09.119 --> 01:13:14.720 you aren't. You're outside the training gym. 1415 01:13:14.920 --> 01:13:18.119 Yeah. I think one of the elders said something like, 1416 01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:22.199 sometimes tolerance and being nice is just a cloak for cowardice. 1417 01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:25.600 Oh most of the time, yeah, most of the time. 1418 01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:31.279 You know. It's why libertarianism is the movement of losers. 1419 01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:34.079 It's just people that they just think it's like noble 1420 01:13:34.119 --> 01:13:36.880 to be like resigned to failure. It's a sort of 1421 01:13:36.960 --> 01:13:40.399 noble trail. I don't care about anything. They're far more enlightened. 1422 01:13:40.439 --> 01:13:43.359 It's like you don't care about anything, therefore you're a loser. 1423 01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:47.680 Well, you know, it's funny because also I think something 1424 01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:52.159 that changed in me. And I'm not anti intellectual or 1425 01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:55.520 anti book knowledge, but I do think that, especially in 1426 01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:58.079 my twenties and thirties, like that was kind of an idol. 1427 01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:03.199 And I care a lot less about the book academic 1428 01:14:03.239 --> 01:14:05.560 stuff as I did in my twenties and thirties. So 1429 01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:08.159 that's something else that's that's changed. And to me, it's 1430 01:14:08.199 --> 01:14:10.880 interesting because it's a lot more freeing. I mean, I'm 1431 01:14:10.920 --> 01:14:13.920 still very interested in intellectual pursuits. I do intend to, 1432 01:14:13.960 --> 01:14:16.880 you know, enjoyable. Yeah, it's fun, but it's not the 1433 01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:19.840 main thing as it was for me my twenties and thirties. 1434 01:14:19.880 --> 01:14:24.199 So that's another I think freeing aspect of orthodoxy to 1435 01:14:24.239 --> 01:14:25.720 where you know, in the Roman Catholic or even the 1436 01:14:25.720 --> 01:14:29.840 Protestant world, it's all really just ideas, and it's all 1437 01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:31.920 about the system. It's all about you know, who's got 1438 01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:35.319 the more coherent, you know, set of systemic you know, 1439 01:14:35.720 --> 01:14:37.439 theological presentation. 1440 01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:39.239 The magisterium obsession. 1441 01:14:38.880 --> 01:14:40.439 And I don't care about that anymore more. 1442 01:14:40.479 --> 01:14:46.119 About transformation exactly perfect, and we're we're about transforming the 1443 01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:48.199 human and that's the real miracle that you see as 1444 01:14:48.239 --> 01:14:49.800 a human transform. 1445 01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:53.279 Yeah, and just having much of ideas doesn't transform you. 1446 01:14:53.640 --> 01:14:57.520 It just changes your ideas. Yeah, just changing out Calvinism, Urtonism. 1447 01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:00.800 So ideas that don't turn into cha ines in life 1448 01:15:01.039 --> 01:15:04.640 are just simply they're they're waste of time. And that's why, Like, 1449 01:15:04.960 --> 01:15:09.279 and I'm sure you get unbelievable amounts of requests for 1450 01:15:09.720 --> 01:15:13.159 reading material and whatnot, and you probably have lots of 1451 01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:15.479 people going, well, how do I understand essence energies? 1452 01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:18.439 And it's like there's more basic stuff than that. 1453 01:15:18.680 --> 01:15:20.439 Like are you praying in the morning. 1454 01:15:20.600 --> 01:15:24.800 Well, you mentioned earlier you wanted to actually recommend because 1455 01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:26.680 and for people that are watching this, when you guys, 1456 01:15:26.760 --> 01:15:29.239 you know you guys, email me DM me all the time. 1457 01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:31.960 Ubi's been Orthodox lot longer than I have, so he 1458 01:15:32.000 --> 01:15:35.359 would be a great person to recommend some places to start. 1459 01:15:35.600 --> 01:15:38.079 These are great books if you want to read Patristic literature. 1460 01:15:38.119 --> 01:15:41.319 Saint Vladimir's Seminary Press, Produce Disease. You have Saint Cyril 1461 01:15:41.399 --> 01:15:44.640 on the Unity of Christ, Saint germaineus have Constantinople. 1462 01:15:45.760 --> 01:15:47.560 Yeah, when I was Roman Catholic, actually, oh. 1463 01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:50.239 It's great, it's in it's in facing English, and Greek, 1464 01:15:50.319 --> 01:15:52.520 so it's actually about half the length. I mean, look 1465 01:15:52.520 --> 01:15:54.479 at how little that is. It's actually half the length. 1466 01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:57.520 Saint John Crasso also marriage and family life. Saint John 1467 01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:01.039 Crassos some six books on the priesthood Isaac of Ninevah, 1468 01:16:01.079 --> 01:16:04.880 hon Astatical Life, amazing work. Right. We have ONU Mystical Life. 1469 01:16:05.079 --> 01:16:07.920 That's really good, really wonderful volume one. There's a few 1470 01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:11.079 more volumes if you want really great homilies on the 1471 01:16:11.199 --> 01:16:15.399 on the Bible, short homilies, you know Saint Peter chrysal 1472 01:16:15.399 --> 01:16:18.039 Logos who writes, you know, homies are five minutes long. 1473 01:16:18.800 --> 01:16:21.119 You can get them online. They're amazing. He talks about 1474 01:16:21.119 --> 01:16:23.960 Old Testament typology and the New Testament. You learn theology, 1475 01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:28.840 and that's really what people need to be doing, is 1476 01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:33.680 reading church fathers, you know, not doom scrolling. And they go, well, 1477 01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:35.640 I don't know where to start, and it's like there 1478 01:16:35.680 --> 01:16:39.119 you go, here you go. And then as far as 1479 01:16:39.439 --> 01:16:42.279 really great material for catechism, there's this great book, The 1480 01:16:42.319 --> 01:16:45.720 Divine Services of the Orthodox Church. It's written by three 1481 01:16:46.079 --> 01:16:49.000 scholars who are clergy. It's meant to be used sort 1482 01:16:49.000 --> 01:16:51.319 of like a missile, so you can take it with 1483 01:16:51.520 --> 01:16:55.000 you to church, and it gives explanations of the services, 1484 01:16:55.279 --> 01:17:00.319 so you're not totally lost. I mean beautiful, beautiful illustrations 1485 01:17:00.880 --> 01:17:06.640 in this book, beautiful iconography. You will you will know 1486 01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:11.159 all of the things that most people don't know as 1487 01:17:11.199 --> 01:17:13.720 you go through each service, regardless of what it is. 1488 01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:17.560 So I know that you guys have really short attention spans. 1489 01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:23.199 We all do because you know social media. But this 1490 01:17:23.279 --> 01:17:26.039 is a great book simply because you don't have to 1491 01:17:26.079 --> 01:17:28.399 read it all the way through you're in the service. 1492 01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:29.720 I had a guy who messaged me a couple of 1493 01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:31.319 days ago on Twitter and he said, Hey, I just 1494 01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:33.479 walked into Orthodox Church for the first time. I was 1495 01:17:33.560 --> 01:17:35.920 totally lost. What do I do? Well, there you go. 1496 01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:38.159 There you got great book. You can find on Amazon 1497 01:17:38.199 --> 01:17:41.760 dot com. The link is in the video description also 1498 01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:44.880 for your books video description. 1499 01:17:45.439 --> 01:17:48.119 So you go to my website Jasonelsis dot com. I 1500 01:17:48.119 --> 01:17:51.119 have a shop there you can get They're all signed copies. 1501 01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:53.560 So the advantage of getting it from me is that 1502 01:17:53.640 --> 01:17:56.680 we do, you know, sign them. That's because Jeff Bezos 1503 01:17:56.720 --> 01:17:59.880 offers it and I don't make anything from whatever Bezos 1504 01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:01.640 cells on Amazon. So if you get it from me, 1505 01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:05.680 they're all signed, and I do have also a philosophy 1506 01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:07.560 book as well. You can get the website. So there's 1507 01:18:07.560 --> 01:18:09.640 three Hollywood books and then one philosophy book. 1508 01:18:10.199 --> 01:18:12.319 What is your philosophy book on? We haven't touched on 1509 01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:12.880 that yet. 1510 01:18:13.000 --> 01:18:15.279 So a lot of the grad papers I wrote I 1511 01:18:15.279 --> 01:18:18.640 thought were pretty good, kind of introductory issues relating to 1512 01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:24.680 like the philosophy of uh, the logi, the logos, kind 1513 01:18:24.720 --> 01:18:27.880 of analyzing that stuff from a philosophical perspective. There's an essay, 1514 01:18:27.880 --> 01:18:37.199 a couple of essays on Plato symbolism in Homer. Yeah, 1515 01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:39.960 we did a big analysis. I did a big grad 1516 01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:44.399 paper on Achilles' shield and all the symbolism in the shield. 1517 01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:47.159 There's a there's an essay on Live Netz. There's an 1518 01:18:47.239 --> 01:18:51.680 essay on critiquing Aquinas in there. It's just a lot, 1519 01:18:51.720 --> 01:18:56.279 it's kind of a variety of things, but it's really 1520 01:18:56.359 --> 01:18:58.880 written for people with kind of a mid level knowledge 1521 01:18:58.880 --> 01:19:01.640 of philosophy if they want to to just read some 1522 01:19:01.680 --> 01:19:04.119 of my essays and my ideas on some of some 1523 01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:08.439 random topics. But there's also an essay on Machiavelli. He 1524 01:19:08.479 --> 01:19:11.399 wrote a book called book Art of War, not sun 1525 01:19:11.479 --> 01:19:14.159 Zoo's Art of War. But Machiavelli's Art of War. There's 1526 01:19:14.199 --> 01:19:17.720 a lot of really fascinating like nuggets and tidbits in that. 1527 01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:20.239 So it's kind of all over the place. And then 1528 01:19:20.239 --> 01:19:22.199 there's another book. It's not really a book, but it's 1529 01:19:22.239 --> 01:19:25.479 just somebody online collected together all of my blog posts 1530 01:19:26.159 --> 01:19:28.359 and put it into a big, giant red book. 1531 01:19:28.439 --> 01:19:29.359 It was very flattering. 1532 01:19:30.600 --> 01:19:32.319 I didn't know they were going to do it. They 1533 01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:36.119 did it, which I don't mind now, but originally when 1534 01:19:36.159 --> 01:19:37.399 they did it kind of made me mad because I 1535 01:19:37.600 --> 01:19:39.800 had no idea who it was they were selling it. Oh, 1536 01:19:39.920 --> 01:19:41.479 so I tried to I kept trying to take it 1537 01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:44.119 down from Lulu. They were publishing and selling it without 1538 01:19:44.119 --> 01:19:45.760 my permission, and I kept trying to take it down. 1539 01:19:45.880 --> 01:19:48.680 I was like, they just kept going back up. So like, well, 1540 01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:52.640 I guess I'll just sell it. It's my stuff and 1541 01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:57.279 they did put it together for me. But anyway people 1542 01:19:57.279 --> 01:19:58.880 can get that that they want, but it's it's just 1543 01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:01.680 old blog posts and there's a lot of philosophy, a 1544 01:20:01.720 --> 01:20:05.239 lot of geopolitical stuff in there, some apologetic stuff critiquing 1545 01:20:05.359 --> 01:20:08.479 the papacies in that book. But yeah, so, but the 1546 01:20:08.520 --> 01:20:12.840 Hollywood books, they're not even if you don't like movies. 1547 01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:15.560 The reason that the books are good is that I 1548 01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:18.319 thought ten years ago a way to kind of wake 1549 01:20:18.359 --> 01:20:21.119 people up to a lot of the real conspiracy stuff. 1550 01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:25.399 Not crazy UFOs crap like that, but real stuff like 1551 01:20:25.479 --> 01:20:29.239 who's controlling our government? Like why is their propaganda in movies? Right? 1552 01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:31.720 That's kind of what I was going for, And I 1553 01:20:31.720 --> 01:20:34.079 know that most people are not going to read a 1554 01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:36.800 boring geopolitical book, so I thought, why not tie that 1555 01:20:36.920 --> 01:20:41.399 into film and movies and that kind of stuff. So 1556 01:20:41.520 --> 01:20:44.520 this one deals with Marvel. I'm not a Marvel fan, 1557 01:20:44.720 --> 01:20:47.239 not into comic book stuff, but I had so many 1558 01:20:47.239 --> 01:20:50.039 people saying, hey, how come you didn't deal with you know, 1559 01:20:50.279 --> 01:20:53.279 Marvel movies in the first two volumes. That's like the 1560 01:20:53.319 --> 01:20:57.880 biggest blockbuster stuff the last thirty years twenty years. Okay, fine, 1561 01:20:57.920 --> 01:20:59.800 I'll do that. For the first fifty sixty pages, we 1562 01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:04.960 Marvel stuff. I get into some of the occult satanic 1563 01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:09.239 stuff in Hollywood. In volume three we get into some 1564 01:21:09.319 --> 01:21:10.800 b movies that are kind of weird, and then we 1565 01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:13.359 get into a lot of like weird early historical stuff 1566 01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:16.199 with some of the first movies that were actually ever made, 1567 01:21:16.239 --> 01:21:19.680 were actually based on Alistair Crowley, the Satanist, so The 1568 01:21:19.680 --> 01:21:22.199 Mysteries of Myra, which was a weird serial in the 1569 01:21:22.319 --> 01:21:25.920 nineteen tens or twenties, again one of the first movies 1570 01:21:26.000 --> 01:21:27.800 ever made, which back then it was just kind of 1571 01:21:27.840 --> 01:21:31.840 silent serials based on the most famous Satanist of the 1572 01:21:31.880 --> 01:21:35.199 twentieth century. So Hollywood's kind of born out of the 1573 01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:37.119 Satanic ironically. 1574 01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:40.720 Oh, I was blown away when I listened to Rachel 1575 01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:46.720 Wilson's show on Joe Rogan when she went on, I 1576 01:21:46.720 --> 01:21:48.680 had no idea about the history of feminist It's not 1577 01:21:48.720 --> 01:21:52.560 an area that that I'm interested in, and I thought, 1578 01:21:52.640 --> 01:21:55.680 oh my gosh, you know. And then my brother listened 1579 01:21:55.680 --> 01:21:57.359 to it as well, and he bought two copies of 1580 01:21:57.359 --> 01:22:04.199 the book. He's like, you know, and really fascinating. I mean, wow, 1581 01:22:04.560 --> 01:22:07.079 I mean, I'm I'm really like a history and language 1582 01:22:07.119 --> 01:22:09.920 is kind of guy. I'm you know, it's like the doubt. 1583 01:22:10.000 --> 01:22:12.479 I mean, I like, my language is like like my stake, 1584 01:22:12.600 --> 01:22:20.560 you know, dad, you know, but uh it hearing that 1585 01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:24.880 connection between between like you know, Alisair Cowley and Satanism 1586 01:22:24.960 --> 01:22:28.399 and all these horrifying early in early Hollywood, the CIA 1587 01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:32.560 is in there. You have you know, the tribe whoa Okayan. 1588 01:22:32.560 --> 01:22:36.079 We really are controlled by a couple that There's no 1589 01:22:36.119 --> 01:22:38.199 doubt about it. The things that you were saying ten 1590 01:22:38.279 --> 01:22:41.680 years ago are beyond undeniable now. 1591 01:22:43.159 --> 01:22:47.359 Yeah. And and credit to my publisher because he also 1592 01:22:47.520 --> 01:22:51.800 published a couple of years ago, Whitney Webb's book One 1593 01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:54.560 Nation Under Blackmail, which the second volume deals with Epstein, 1594 01:22:55.199 --> 01:22:57.520 and she put that out four or five years ago, 1595 01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:01.479 so it came out maybe twenty. But what's interesting about 1596 01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:04.720 that is that all of the Epstein stuff in her 1597 01:23:04.800 --> 01:23:07.479 book particularly, I mean, she's very very well sourced, but 1598 01:23:07.520 --> 01:23:09.239 she went into a lot of connections with the roth 1599 01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:11.560 child that kind of stuff that's all been born out 1600 01:23:13.039 --> 01:23:16.560 come out. And my first chapter in Estar Collywood one 1601 01:23:17.000 --> 01:23:20.760 dealt with the roth Childs in Hollywood. So the first 1602 01:23:20.800 --> 01:23:23.399 book also touched on that theme ten years ago. And 1603 01:23:23.479 --> 01:23:27.680 I feel vindicated as well. So, you know, again, shout 1604 01:23:27.680 --> 01:23:29.680 out to the publisher because not not a lot of 1605 01:23:29.680 --> 01:23:32.720 publishers are willing to put this kind of stuff out. 1606 01:23:33.039 --> 01:23:35.359 Oh yeah, I mean shout out. 1607 01:23:35.319 --> 01:23:37.560 To Chris for doing that. He's he's always been a 1608 01:23:37.600 --> 01:23:41.439 good a good publisher, So I appreciate that. And yeah, 1609 01:23:41.479 --> 01:23:43.720 so like you said with feminism, I mean you, Rachel 1610 01:23:43.840 --> 01:23:46.840 was spot on with that and and the history of it, 1611 01:23:46.920 --> 01:23:49.880 going back into like Witchcraft, and you know, you have 1612 01:23:49.960 --> 01:23:52.720 these weird, hideous women in the Middle Ages that were outcasts, 1613 01:23:52.800 --> 01:23:56.000 and they kind of become the seed for where feminism 1614 01:23:56.039 --> 01:24:00.119 would go. There's a direct direct connect between Witchcraft and feminism. 1615 01:24:00.439 --> 01:24:05.039 But also Hollywood has been a massive evangelist for feminism, 1616 01:24:05.199 --> 01:24:07.800 and I didn't cover that in the first two books, 1617 01:24:07.800 --> 01:24:09.720 and so I spent about sixty pages or so in 1618 01:24:09.760 --> 01:24:14.159 this book about just how self conscious I think Hollywood 1619 01:24:14.239 --> 01:24:19.279 is in pushing the feminist gnostic archetype to reverse and 1620 01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:21.279 invert the roles of men and women to where no, 1621 01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:23.760 now it's the women that are the heroes. They're the saviors. 1622 01:24:24.560 --> 01:24:30.319 And to be a hero woman you must also emasculate 1623 01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:34.760 the man. Yeah, that's part of the whole ethos. So anyway, yeah, 1624 01:24:34.760 --> 01:24:36.119 I deal with that in there, and then the last 1625 01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:42.079 couple chapters deal with how Hollywood misappropriates the Antichrist, because 1626 01:24:42.119 --> 01:24:45.840 ultimately Hollywood itself is Antichrist, but they have a lot 1627 01:24:45.880 --> 01:24:49.600 of films that are presented in Antichrist in very bizarre 1628 01:24:49.680 --> 01:24:53.439 anti Christian ways. So it's kind of a it's like 1629 01:24:53.439 --> 01:24:58.039 they're taking Antichrist but making Antichrist something that it's not, 1630 01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:00.319 to almost sell anti cas Christ. 1631 01:25:00.319 --> 01:25:03.600 Do that makes sense, repackaging the evil putting, putting that well, 1632 01:25:03.720 --> 01:25:05.479 not just putting lipstick on a pig. 1633 01:25:05.399 --> 01:25:09.960 But inverting it. So basically, I mean, what Hollywood thinks 1634 01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:14.159 is anti Christ is Christ, and what Hollywood thinks is 1635 01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:15.319 Christ is anti Christ. 1636 01:25:15.520 --> 01:25:19.760 That's obviously the oppress of white, straight, white male trope. 1637 01:25:20.600 --> 01:25:23.560 And then there's also a couple of chapters on intelligence agencies. 1638 01:25:23.800 --> 01:25:25.359 I mean, most of Part one and Part two were 1639 01:25:25.359 --> 01:25:29.680 about that in Hollywood, but here I actually highlighted quite 1640 01:25:29.720 --> 01:25:32.520 a few A List actors that people may or may 1641 01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:35.880 not know were actually spies, quite a few, which is 1642 01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:38.239 people most people don't know that, So there's a chapter 1643 01:25:38.319 --> 01:25:42.560 on that. And even the last few years, the US 1644 01:25:42.680 --> 01:25:47.560 National Archives have actually declassified several documents relating to some 1645 01:25:47.640 --> 01:25:50.720 of the A listers who were spies. Sterling Hayden, for example, 1646 01:25:50.880 --> 01:25:55.279 was an OSS operative. Jimmy Stewart was an informant for 1647 01:25:55.319 --> 01:26:00.439 the FBI. Cary Grant worked for the OSS. John Forward 1648 01:26:01.279 --> 01:26:04.359 was a director working with the OSS. A lot of 1649 01:26:04.359 --> 01:26:07.600 the OSS people but then since especially during the Cold War, 1650 01:26:07.640 --> 01:26:09.039 he had a lot of a listers that were recruited 1651 01:26:09.079 --> 01:26:10.520 into being spies for the CIA. 1652 01:26:10.760 --> 01:26:13.159 Wasn't Julia Childs the yessues in. 1653 01:26:13.159 --> 01:26:17.159 The OSS, Yeah exactly. Yeah, a lot of British intelligence 1654 01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:19.319 people for sure. But and then of course Massad too, 1655 01:26:19.359 --> 01:26:20.439 and I do touch on some of that. 1656 01:26:21.439 --> 01:26:24.960 I mean, do you think like with CIA Massad I 1657 01:26:25.039 --> 01:26:27.039 six like it's all just one mega. 1658 01:26:27.079 --> 01:26:29.680 I think the I mean, the five eyes nations all coordinate, 1659 01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:31.039 absolutely sure. 1660 01:26:33.399 --> 01:26:36.239 Where do you see the situation in the golf going 1661 01:26:36.319 --> 01:26:41.520 right now? Now keep in mind this is being recorded 1662 01:26:41.680 --> 01:26:48.920 on Saturday, March twelfth, today thirteenth, March fourteenth. Okay, this 1663 01:26:48.920 --> 01:26:52.920 is being recorded on Saturday March fourteenth. Where do you 1664 01:26:52.920 --> 01:26:56.399 see the situation going in the golf? Because right now, 1665 01:26:57.119 --> 01:26:59.600 pretty much everyone I talked to it's just like, we 1666 01:26:59.640 --> 01:27:03.439 don't know, this could go anywhere. This is cool down, 1667 01:27:03.439 --> 01:27:06.439 heat up in a bit, this could it's it's you. 1668 01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:10.800 Know, well, I think Donald thought that because he had 1669 01:27:10.800 --> 01:27:17.199 advisers telling him that, you know what, two weeks, yeah, wait, 1670 01:27:17.199 --> 01:27:20.039 two weeks to flatten the Iran only don't worry, it's 1671 01:27:20.039 --> 01:27:22.479 going to be four probably four or five days. I 1672 01:27:22.520 --> 01:27:27.279 don't know, probably the best war ever. I don't think 1673 01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:29.880 it's going to be two weeks to flatten the Iran. 1674 01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:32.640 I think it's going to be a protracted situation. It's 1675 01:27:32.640 --> 01:27:34.960 going to take a lot longer than Syria took fifteen 1676 01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:37.720 years to top le Saud. I would imagine, giving the 1677 01:27:37.760 --> 01:27:42.760 fact that it ran so much more powerful, military capable 1678 01:27:42.920 --> 01:27:46.359 nation over Syria, that's going to take longer. I think 1679 01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:48.720 a lot of people have been surprised that they were 1680 01:27:48.760 --> 01:27:50.880 able to achieve what they did with the failure of 1681 01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:56.159 the Iron Dome exactly. I don't know if you saw 1682 01:27:56.159 --> 01:27:57.880 the news today. I don't know if this is confirmed, 1683 01:27:57.880 --> 01:28:00.239 because it was just on Twitter today. People not seeing 1684 01:28:00.319 --> 01:28:02.680 that in Yahoo, so their speculation that he might for 1685 01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:07.039 several days, so he might have also not made it. 1686 01:28:07.079 --> 01:28:10.079 I don't. I don't know. So I suspect that it 1687 01:28:10.119 --> 01:28:12.399 will be a protracted conflict. Of course, there's always the 1688 01:28:12.439 --> 01:28:15.520 concern that this could bring China and Iran in as well. 1689 01:28:17.039 --> 01:28:18.479 I mean, I should be trying to rush it on 1690 01:28:18.479 --> 01:28:20.680 the side of run as a larger conflict as well, 1691 01:28:20.760 --> 01:28:22.800 So that could I mean, it could be World War 1692 01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:25.399 four if you count the Cold War as world War three. 1693 01:28:25.520 --> 01:28:28.399 So I don't know where it's going to go, but 1694 01:28:28.439 --> 01:28:30.600 I did not believe that it would be a few 1695 01:28:30.680 --> 01:28:34.680 days or even two weeks or whatever Trump has said. 1696 01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:37.159 So massive mistake in my opinion on the part of 1697 01:28:37.159 --> 01:28:39.880 the Trump administration. I think Warpsee was a huge mistake. 1698 01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:42.760 I think this is a huge mistake. Trump suppressing Epstein 1699 01:28:42.800 --> 01:28:43.840 falls was a huge mistake. 1700 01:28:44.239 --> 01:28:46.680 He's been a huge disappointment of the last six months. 1701 01:28:46.680 --> 01:28:49.039 Six months un your a believable disappointment. 1702 01:28:49.640 --> 01:28:54.239 I totally agree. But you know you you would know 1703 01:28:54.279 --> 01:28:55.680 a lot more about the malice than I would. I 1704 01:28:55.800 --> 01:28:57.800 just I just know about it from books, So from 1705 01:28:57.800 --> 01:28:59.920 a book perspective, I would just say that to me, 1706 01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:05.159 this is a repeat of the older Likud clean break strategy, 1707 01:29:05.159 --> 01:29:09.119 the Odon plan. This is what Nat Yahoo and Lakuda 1708 01:29:09.239 --> 01:29:11.119 wanted for a long time for the region, the great 1709 01:29:11.119 --> 01:29:11.920 Azual project. 1710 01:29:12.680 --> 01:29:15.920 Can you explain for the lessers with the greater, the 1711 01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:18.039 Greater Israel project than the clean break. 1712 01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:22.720 Are so in the I think early eighties, Ariel Sharon's 1713 01:29:23.399 --> 01:29:27.760 advisor was a guy named Odd Yonnon, and it became 1714 01:29:27.760 --> 01:29:30.640 known as the Odyonon Plan, which is kind of basically 1715 01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:32.800 the same thing as the Greater Israel project, which was 1716 01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:38.439 Israel wanted to move beyond being a limited power in 1717 01:29:38.439 --> 01:29:41.000 the region to having dominant power in the region, and 1718 01:29:41.039 --> 01:29:44.279 that meant that they would take you know, significant pieces 1719 01:29:44.279 --> 01:29:47.239 and portions of land beyond what they had at that time. 1720 01:29:48.279 --> 01:29:50.600 Fast forward to the nineteen nineties, for the exact year 1721 01:29:50.720 --> 01:29:53.800 ninety eight or something like that, Net and Yahoo and 1722 01:29:54.079 --> 01:29:56.079 the Likud at that time put out of people called 1723 01:29:56.279 --> 01:29:58.800 the Clean Break strategy, where they wanted to break free 1724 01:29:58.840 --> 01:30:07.840 from old older Israeli labor political leftist ideas of having 1725 01:30:08.279 --> 01:30:12.560 you know, Camp David Accord, deal with the PLO, that 1726 01:30:12.640 --> 01:30:14.960 kind of stuff. They wanted to again move in the 1727 01:30:14.960 --> 01:30:18.279 direction of right wing Israeli dominant in the region. They 1728 01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:20.520 wanted to have a more of a capitalist model versus 1729 01:30:20.600 --> 01:30:22.399 the labor model that they had. That's all in the 1730 01:30:22.399 --> 01:30:24.800 Clean Bake strategy. But they met. They list, which is interesting, 1731 01:30:25.319 --> 01:30:30.239 several nations that they I don't remember, it's seven or 1732 01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:32.039 eight something like that, but it's like, it's a Raq, 1733 01:30:32.119 --> 01:30:38.800 it's a Ran, it's Syria, Egypt, I think Lebanon probably, yeah, 1734 01:30:39.039 --> 01:30:45.680 anything near the basically all or whatever basically surrounds I 1735 01:30:45.720 --> 01:30:47.199 don't remember it could be. 1736 01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:49.960 It's been a long time since I read the paper. 1737 01:30:51.600 --> 01:30:55.960 I read it recently because I had a debate, a 1738 01:30:56.000 --> 01:31:02.840 pseudo debate with David Wood and a postive prophet, Ridmon. 1739 01:31:03.600 --> 01:31:07.479 Oh yeah, yeah, So I read that was about a 1740 01:31:07.560 --> 01:31:10.399 year ago when we had that halfway debate on the 1741 01:31:10.520 --> 01:31:13.199 David Woods channel. So I don't remember if top we 1742 01:31:13.199 --> 01:31:15.079 had it every specific nation, but I do remember that 1743 01:31:16.439 --> 01:31:20.960 one of them lists, they're basically the same list, but 1744 01:31:21.079 --> 01:31:24.399 they update what the strategy is from nineteen eighty two 1745 01:31:24.399 --> 01:31:27.279 to ninety eight, and it's roughly kind of the same 1746 01:31:27.319 --> 01:31:29.840 as what General was the Clark famously talked about with 1747 01:31:29.880 --> 01:31:32.039 the Seven Nations playing to the Pentagon had that he 1748 01:31:32.079 --> 01:31:33.760 saw after nine to eleven that we're gonna go into 1749 01:31:33.760 --> 01:31:35.960 these countries. So in other words, nine eleven becomes a 1750 01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:41.319 very useful tool in this toolkit of why we need 1751 01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:44.039 to do what Israel wants in that region. So I 1752 01:31:44.039 --> 01:31:46.640 would imagine probably Afghanistan is in there because it does 1753 01:31:46.680 --> 01:31:49.800 factor into the Pentagon strategy during that time period after 1754 01:31:49.880 --> 01:31:53.359 nine eleven for sure. So anyway, that is basically just 1755 01:31:53.399 --> 01:31:57.439 that Israel needs a much larger and it also includes 1756 01:31:57.520 --> 01:32:01.239 micronations or breaking up all these other countries into micro states, 1757 01:32:02.039 --> 01:32:05.560 and that could include and has included, according to Victor 1758 01:32:05.600 --> 01:32:10.920 of Strawsky, the former MASSAD guy actually arming people like 1759 01:32:11.039 --> 01:32:14.520 ISIS and al Qaeda or Jolani in Syria. Right, So 1760 01:32:14.560 --> 01:32:16.880 that's why you would see Israel supporting something like that. 1761 01:32:17.479 --> 01:32:20.319 The main backer of Kurdish nationalisms or one of the 1762 01:32:20.359 --> 01:32:21.039 main backers. 1763 01:32:22.000 --> 01:32:24.800 The former head of MASSADE was in an interview a 1764 01:32:24.800 --> 01:32:27.199 couple of years ago on her last year on Al Jazeira, 1765 01:32:27.880 --> 01:32:34.239 and the guy says, would you aid and give military 1766 01:32:34.239 --> 01:32:38.479 assistance and hospital assistants to Isis and al Qaeda? He 1767 01:32:38.479 --> 01:32:41.439 says absolutely, And he says, would you do that for Hesbla? 1768 01:32:41.479 --> 01:32:44.239 Of course not. It's like, well, wait a minute, So 1769 01:32:44.920 --> 01:32:47.880 Isis and al Kaeda are allies of Israel, according to 1770 01:32:47.920 --> 01:32:51.960 the former head of Massode, has belabbing Shia Ran obviously 1771 01:32:52.000 --> 01:32:54.600 being in So that's kind of telling you right there, right. 1772 01:32:54.960 --> 01:32:56.960 And then of course there have been many omissions that 1773 01:32:58.039 --> 01:33:03.079 you know, Israel helped create an ormmas as a destabilizing 1774 01:33:03.119 --> 01:33:04.039 factor against the PLO. 1775 01:33:04.239 --> 01:33:07.920 So they took sche you've seen just some unknown guy. 1776 01:33:08.680 --> 01:33:13.399 And then Gaza used to be known for its night life. Yeah, exactly, 1777 01:33:14.119 --> 01:33:17.119 so I used to, I mean like before Hamas. 1778 01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:20.399 For Hamas, right, and so in other words, people I 1779 01:33:20.439 --> 01:33:23.000 don't think they think about it like they might actually 1780 01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:27.279 want destabilization these places. People think these rules debocrasy, they 1781 01:33:27.279 --> 01:33:30.079 won't freedom, and they want America over there. You know, 1782 01:33:30.720 --> 01:33:32.760 they want different things at different place. In fact, one 1783 01:33:32.800 --> 01:33:36.880 of the I think it's clean break oddly enough, said 1784 01:33:36.880 --> 01:33:40.239 that they wanted a Coptic Christian Egypt. I thought that 1785 01:33:40.239 --> 01:33:40.720 was really. 1786 01:33:40.560 --> 01:33:42.840 Weird until it becomes stable, in which case, I. 1787 01:33:42.840 --> 01:33:44.319 Mean then they would want it. Yeah. 1788 01:33:44.399 --> 01:33:46.119 Yeah, I mean that's what people don't give it for. 1789 01:33:46.159 --> 01:33:50.319 The israelis a stable nation anywhere as a threat everywhere exactly, Yeah, 1790 01:33:50.359 --> 01:33:53.560 a stable for the israelis a stable nation anywhere in 1791 01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:56.119 the world is a threat everywhere to Israel. 1792 01:33:57.239 --> 01:34:04.560 And when there's unstable Islamic rivals or terrorists, that's also 1793 01:34:04.640 --> 01:34:07.800 an excuse for we must have all of the support 1794 01:34:07.800 --> 01:34:10.640 from America because we're surrounded by our enemies. Well, you 1795 01:34:10.720 --> 01:34:14.600 want decabilization, so that's what an excuse. So anyway, Yeah, 1796 01:34:14.640 --> 01:34:16.840 so that's the Greater is Or project, and you know 1797 01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:22.199 that's what we've seen apparently, you know, BB essentially telling 1798 01:34:22.239 --> 01:34:23.079 Trump what to do. 1799 01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:28.920 As I'm watching this whole situation. You know, I'm in 1800 01:34:28.920 --> 01:34:32.880 my early forty two, and you know, growing up, you're 1801 01:34:32.960 --> 01:34:36.039 you're effectively taught by the news at Israel is just invincible, 1802 01:34:36.159 --> 01:34:40.159 and watching these bombs fall in Tel Aviv is surreal. 1803 01:34:41.039 --> 01:34:44.000 Watching these just streams of missiles landing and they can't 1804 01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:48.279 stop them either, absolutely hiding the death toll. You get 1805 01:34:48.319 --> 01:34:51.479 on Israeli Twitter with the auto translate from Hebrews. 1806 01:34:51.119 --> 01:34:52.319 And they act like nothing's happening. 1807 01:34:53.119 --> 01:34:55.119 No, some of the people I found, I was like, yeah, 1808 01:34:55.119 --> 01:34:56.239 building next to me, that head. 1809 01:34:56.399 --> 01:34:59.600 Oh you mean the people that are like not the news, 1810 01:35:00.079 --> 01:35:02.119 you know, normal acting like nothing's happened. 1811 01:35:02.159 --> 01:35:04.319 Oh, the normal people are going like building next week. 1812 01:35:04.319 --> 01:35:07.119 I hit, oh, well, you know, twenty one people dead. Yeah, 1813 01:35:07.159 --> 01:35:08.920 it's like, oh okay, I mean yeah, I mean you're 1814 01:35:08.960 --> 01:35:11.600 watching these burlage just coming in, you know, videos from 1815 01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:14.520 like sailors out in the Mediterranean, and it's like, okay, 1816 01:35:14.520 --> 01:35:16.960 there's no way this is landing and people are being killed. 1817 01:35:17.239 --> 01:35:19.640 Well, it's very different from the eighties because my dad 1818 01:35:19.880 --> 01:35:21.840 the only time he was deployed, he was deployed to 1819 01:35:21.880 --> 01:35:25.199 the Gulf to sync to Iranian oil platforms. Under Reagan. 1820 01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:27.279 It's called Operation Mantis, you can look it up. My 1821 01:35:27.319 --> 01:35:29.520 dad was on the USS Bagley, which is one of 1822 01:35:29.560 --> 01:35:31.840 the ships kind of in the upper part of that operation, 1823 01:35:32.560 --> 01:35:36.119 and that at that time Reagan was very intent on 1824 01:35:36.399 --> 01:35:38.520 beefing up the military and turning it into this kind 1825 01:35:38.560 --> 01:35:41.840 of big neocon you know, global force. But I don't 1826 01:35:41.840 --> 01:35:44.800 know that we're the same after ten years of like 1827 01:35:45.199 --> 01:35:48.760 trans military, you know what I mean, Like, I don't 1828 01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:51.520 know if we're the same capable country as we were 1829 01:35:51.560 --> 01:35:53.479 in the nineteen eighties. Maybe it is. I don't know. 1830 01:35:53.520 --> 01:35:55.520 I'm not a military expert, but I did do it 1831 01:35:55.600 --> 01:35:58.560 pretty pretty significant interview a couple of years ago with 1832 01:35:58.600 --> 01:36:01.640 the Colonel Douglas McGregor, who was Trump's choice for National 1833 01:36:01.640 --> 01:36:06.960 Security Director. D and I although the Congress didn't approve 1834 01:36:07.079 --> 01:36:09.920 him because he was too conservative, he wasn't lib enough. 1835 01:36:10.439 --> 01:36:14.800 But chromcgregor, I think has been pretty spot on with 1836 01:36:14.960 --> 01:36:17.239 a lot of the criticisms of these these operations and 1837 01:36:17.319 --> 01:36:19.520 Trump and pointing out that, you know, we're not the 1838 01:36:19.520 --> 01:36:21.640 military that we were in the nineteen eighties. It's a 1839 01:36:21.640 --> 01:36:26.520 lot different, so we may not be as effective in 1840 01:36:26.560 --> 01:36:29.279 these operations. Like boomers want to believe. 1841 01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:33.920 Well, it's also that it's not just that we're less 1842 01:36:33.960 --> 01:36:36.920 effective and we're doing less well in these operations, is 1843 01:36:36.960 --> 01:36:39.840 that there's there's very real repercussions for US going in 1844 01:36:39.880 --> 01:36:42.000 and all of a sudden, okay, was it three or 1845 01:36:42.039 --> 01:36:45.279 fourth AD sites were wiped out almost right away? Okay, 1846 01:36:45.279 --> 01:36:48.319 So now we have to pull them from Korea, South 1847 01:36:48.399 --> 01:36:50.319 Korea in order to do it. So now our ally 1848 01:36:50.359 --> 01:36:53.600 in South Korea is not protected. Okay, So these golf 1849 01:36:53.720 --> 01:36:56.960 nations sided with the US. They sided with us because 1850 01:36:57.000 --> 01:36:59.479 they said, Okay, you can protect us from Iran. You 1851 01:36:59.479 --> 01:37:01.840 can keep the straits of hormones open, which is how 1852 01:37:01.840 --> 01:37:04.119 we get our life blood or oil out of here, 1853 01:37:04.199 --> 01:37:07.640 and we can make our money. They thought, Okay, the 1854 01:37:07.760 --> 01:37:11.119 US can keep Israel safe, is what we've always thought. 1855 01:37:12.079 --> 01:37:14.279 And then on top of it, if we can keep 1856 01:37:14.319 --> 01:37:18.680 Israel safe, we can keep the region stable. All of 1857 01:37:18.680 --> 01:37:23.359 a sudden, you're watching as Iran, this country that we 1858 01:37:23.359 --> 01:37:26.399 were told was give you toppled right away, takes out 1859 01:37:26.439 --> 01:37:32.199 the THAD sites. They're bombing Israel with impunity. They're effectively 1860 01:37:32.239 --> 01:37:34.920 trolling the Israelis by sending in missiles every few hours, 1861 01:37:34.960 --> 01:37:37.520 so no one can sleep they're making people go crazy. 1862 01:37:39.199 --> 01:37:41.119 Our allies are now learned. Okay, we can't keep them 1863 01:37:41.119 --> 01:37:42.560 safe in the Gulf. 1864 01:37:42.600 --> 01:37:43.039 We can't. 1865 01:37:43.720 --> 01:37:46.319 We can't keep the straits of hormones open. We can't 1866 01:37:46.359 --> 01:37:50.479 keep we cannot keep Israel safe. If we can't keep 1867 01:37:50.520 --> 01:37:53.000 Israel safe, can we keep Jordan safe or Egypt? No, 1868 01:37:53.319 --> 01:37:55.239 which means that now we have to spend more money 1869 01:37:55.239 --> 01:37:57.359 buying these countries off to keep peace. That's what we 1870 01:37:57.439 --> 01:38:00.640 effectively did. We buy off Egypt, we buy off tra Okay, 1871 01:38:01.079 --> 01:38:03.520 then you have China watching. Okay, what are the countries 1872 01:38:03.560 --> 01:38:05.760 in East Asia that depend on the US? You have 1873 01:38:05.840 --> 01:38:11.159 South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines to a very real extent, 1874 01:38:11.239 --> 01:38:14.960 Australia less or so. But all those can't wom right, 1875 01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:18.760 and so those countries are watching. And Okay, the US 1876 01:38:18.840 --> 01:38:22.079 can't keep Israel safe, how's it gonna keep us safe? 1877 01:38:22.079 --> 01:38:25.479 So it's a huge blow to American soft power and 1878 01:38:25.600 --> 01:38:26.560 international you. 1879 01:38:26.520 --> 01:38:29.640 Know, sway absolutely. I mean, we're not creating enough of 1880 01:38:29.680 --> 01:38:33.760 these What are the missiles use for the bad sites? 1881 01:38:33.800 --> 01:38:39.039 The we're not the missiles for outsite see uh iron 1882 01:38:39.119 --> 01:38:41.800 domb missiles. What we can produce, like what seven of 1883 01:38:41.840 --> 01:38:45.680 them a month. Iran can produce sixty seventy missiles in 1884 01:38:45.720 --> 01:38:49.000 a month. Takes at least two of those those iron 1885 01:38:49.039 --> 01:38:52.000 dumb missiles to go up and take something out. Okay, 1886 01:38:52.079 --> 01:38:55.640 now that Iranians are pulling out super sonic missiles, this 1887 01:38:55.760 --> 01:38:58.960 can really accelerate quickly. This can get really ugly. Yes, 1888 01:38:59.199 --> 01:39:00.720 And people look at it, they go, well, you know 1889 01:39:00.840 --> 01:39:03.760 this Israeli is being killed, real smalls being killed. These 1890 01:39:03.760 --> 01:39:07.560 are potential Christians. Yeah, these are people being killed without 1891 01:39:07.640 --> 01:39:09.840 chance to repent. There, these are human beings are being 1892 01:39:09.880 --> 01:39:11.119 buried under buildings. 1893 01:39:11.279 --> 01:39:14.279 I saw. I just saw the headline is shay and 1894 01:39:14.279 --> 01:39:16.800 get a chance to look at it. But did Trump 1895 01:39:16.960 --> 01:39:20.159 just okay, ground troops? Is that accurate? 1896 01:39:20.199 --> 01:39:22.079 Do you know? I heard something about that. Yeah, I 1897 01:39:22.079 --> 01:39:22.760 didn't follow. 1898 01:39:23.840 --> 01:39:25.840 So now we're gonna have troops. I think it was 1899 01:39:25.840 --> 01:39:27.960 in like five thousand troops, but I made I didn't 1900 01:39:28.000 --> 01:39:29.039 confirm that, so I don't know. 1901 01:39:29.439 --> 01:39:32.119 And this is really spiraling out of control quickly. And 1902 01:39:32.159 --> 01:39:35.399 I remember Peter Zion. You know Peter Zion. Yeah, it 1903 01:39:35.439 --> 01:39:38.439 does a lot of nice stuff with demographics and economics, 1904 01:39:38.680 --> 01:39:41.079 but I remember years ago He's like, yeah, this Gaza thing, 1905 01:39:41.119 --> 01:39:43.000 that's it's going nowhere. It's not going to spread. 1906 01:39:43.039 --> 01:39:45.079 We also said that they be at zero. 1907 01:39:47.039 --> 01:39:49.119 But I remember when he said this Gaza war is 1908 01:39:49.159 --> 01:39:52.560 going nowhere. And I'm thinking, you do not know the 1909 01:39:52.600 --> 01:39:54.159 Middle East. 1910 01:39:55.039 --> 01:39:58.199 Not many Americans do as you. I'm sure you know 1911 01:39:58.880 --> 01:40:01.720 you know the area. Yeah, when many Americans do not. 1912 01:40:02.039 --> 01:40:05.199 Yeah, when they're saber rattling, that's when you know you're okay. 1913 01:40:05.239 --> 01:40:09.560 When they're quiet, that's when things happening. Oh. Yeah, the 1914 01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:11.600 saber rattling is to make up for the fact that 1915 01:40:11.600 --> 01:40:12.840 they can't do anything about it. 1916 01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:14.880 Let me ask you a question, because you you have 1917 01:40:14.960 --> 01:40:18.000 knowledge of this region. One thing I've never really understood, 1918 01:40:18.039 --> 01:40:20.039 and I've read some books about Iran and some of 1919 01:40:20.079 --> 01:40:23.720 these kinds of operations, but I'm so unclear on what 1920 01:40:23.760 --> 01:40:28.960 do you think. It seems like Israel does engage in 1921 01:40:29.039 --> 01:40:33.520 a lot of cover actions in Iran to disable the 1922 01:40:33.560 --> 01:40:38.039 capabilities of Iran to have nuclear technology or whatever. So 1923 01:40:38.119 --> 01:40:42.640 there's some reality to you know, killing nuclear scientists that 1924 01:40:42.800 --> 01:40:45.800 Israel engages in. What do you think, in your opinion 1925 01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:48.960 is the reality in terms of the capabilities of Iran 1926 01:40:49.119 --> 01:40:52.600 versus the Israeli propaganda of two weeks away from a 1927 01:40:52.680 --> 01:40:53.920 nuclear bom. 1928 01:40:54.159 --> 01:40:57.760 I think if I had to place my money on it, 1929 01:40:57.800 --> 01:40:59.079 I bet they already have one. 1930 01:41:00.960 --> 01:41:04.279 And and why do you think net and y'all, who 1931 01:41:04.279 --> 01:41:06.039 wouldn't just say they already of it? 1932 01:41:06.680 --> 01:41:08.279 Because if he admits that they have one of the 1933 01:41:08.319 --> 01:41:12.840 Israeli public, who's going to freak out? Okay, I mean 1934 01:41:12.880 --> 01:41:15.399 you imagine that, Like, I mean, Jews are pretty skittish people. 1935 01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:17.239 Wouldn't they be freaking out already? They're like in terms 1936 01:41:17.279 --> 01:41:21.359 of what's happening, or maybe they are with the failure 1937 01:41:21.359 --> 01:41:22.039 of Iron Dome. 1938 01:41:21.960 --> 01:41:23.840 And well they are. I mean you go on like 1939 01:41:24.079 --> 01:41:26.279 average people in Israeli Twitter and you read through the 1940 01:41:26.439 --> 01:41:28.600 I'm so happy they brought back the auto translate of 1941 01:41:28.640 --> 01:41:32.840 Hebrew on Twitter, but they yeah, they're freaking out. I mean, 1942 01:41:32.840 --> 01:41:35.720 there's this is awful. I mean, this is absolutely I mean, 1943 01:41:35.760 --> 01:41:38.640 this is this is for them, like Turkish people getting 1944 01:41:38.720 --> 01:41:42.319 DNA results like that earth shattering. Yeah, I mean this 1945 01:41:42.399 --> 01:41:44.560 is really scary for them. I think the Iranians have 1946 01:41:44.560 --> 01:41:48.439 lived under I think they've lived under sanctions, They've lived 1947 01:41:48.520 --> 01:41:50.840 under the brutality of the Iatolis for so long that 1948 01:41:50.920 --> 01:41:55.239 they're just like another you know, sure whatever for the Israelis. 1949 01:41:55.239 --> 01:41:59.199 I mean this is like, I mean, their military is 1950 01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:00.600 not equipped for the US right. 1951 01:42:01.239 --> 01:42:03.399 In fact, their. 1952 01:42:03.239 --> 01:42:06.479 Military is equipped for mowing down civilians exactly. 1953 01:42:07.279 --> 01:42:09.800 If there was a great interview a year and a 1954 01:42:09.840 --> 01:42:12.760 half or two years ago with Larry Johnson, the CIA 1955 01:42:12.840 --> 01:42:15.039 guy who now just come does podcast kind of like 1956 01:42:15.079 --> 01:42:19.159 John Kiyaku. Oh yeah, he did an interview before right 1957 01:42:19.159 --> 01:42:23.960 around October seventh, whenever that popped off, and Patrick Hansen 1958 01:42:24.279 --> 01:42:27.359 did this great interview and they said he's hit. He said, 1959 01:42:27.960 --> 01:42:30.439 if this goes into a full on conflict and Iran 1960 01:42:30.520 --> 01:42:34.199 gets involved, he says, you will see that Israel's military 1961 01:42:34.239 --> 01:42:36.000 is not as capable as people think. So he was 1962 01:42:36.039 --> 01:42:40.119 actually he was correct. It looks like so I'm curious, like, 1963 01:42:41.600 --> 01:42:45.359 what do you think this leads to? Because you know 1964 01:42:45.399 --> 01:42:47.760 this region war three? You do? Yeah? 1965 01:42:48.079 --> 01:42:49.760 Or four? Yeah, I mean it's kind of soft. But 1966 01:42:49.840 --> 01:42:53.600 it's just he continually spread, Okay, the Iranians have been 1967 01:42:53.680 --> 01:42:55.840 hunkered down and they're ready to fight. The US does 1968 01:42:55.880 --> 01:42:58.720 not have the wherewithal because we're fat, dumb and happy. Right, 1969 01:42:58.960 --> 01:43:01.239 We're fat, dumb and happy because that the hard work 1970 01:43:01.279 --> 01:43:05.000 of previous generations have made such a luxurious, easy enjoyable 1971 01:43:05.000 --> 01:43:10.960 life that I mean, we just we don't have the 1972 01:43:10.960 --> 01:43:14.039 wherewithal the public opinion is not there. I mean, what 1973 01:43:14.119 --> 01:43:19.239 does this war approval pulling out? I mean primarily most 1974 01:43:19.239 --> 01:43:23.560 older generations, among the younger generations is probably you know, 1975 01:43:23.880 --> 01:43:27.520 you know, single digits. And then even if you are 1976 01:43:27.760 --> 01:43:30.359 for the war, the amount of money going into a 1977 01:43:30.479 --> 01:43:40.560 surreal it's I think that the problem is that there's 1978 01:43:40.560 --> 01:43:44.079 just not enough money to buy these people off, and 1979 01:43:44.119 --> 01:43:46.680 we're just printing off money. And who's gonna. 1980 01:43:48.640 --> 01:43:50.720 The future generations pay this infinite debt. 1981 01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:54.760 Well, well they're going to pay the debt figuratively because yeah, 1982 01:43:54.760 --> 01:43:57.399 the dollar will collapse, so they're going to pay for 1983 01:43:57.439 --> 01:43:59.760 it in terms of the horrible I mean. 1984 01:43:59.600 --> 01:44:03.840 Not horrible, ironic too, because remember remember Trump's campaign with here, 1985 01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:07.199 you'll get world war three. If you go with Hillary, 1986 01:44:07.319 --> 01:44:08.239 you'll get world. 1987 01:44:08.079 --> 01:44:11.039 War three, not with me under peace candidate. 1988 01:44:11.600 --> 01:44:15.119 You know what I mean. I've been working I've been 1989 01:44:15.119 --> 01:44:15.800 working on with Trump. 1990 01:44:15.880 --> 01:44:17.279 So I think it's a very good Trump. 1991 01:44:17.279 --> 01:44:20.880 I like that. Yeah, it's just and I actually shared 1992 01:44:20.920 --> 01:44:24.279 I reshared his old campaign tweets like you'll get world 1993 01:44:24.319 --> 01:44:25.279 War three with these people. 1994 01:44:25.840 --> 01:44:28.760 Yeah, I mean we've basically gotten. I mean, how is 1995 01:44:28.800 --> 01:44:29.720 he now seventy nine? 1996 01:44:30.119 --> 01:44:30.560 I don't know. 1997 01:44:30.680 --> 01:44:33.960 Yeah, I mean we've basically I mean, we voted for 1998 01:44:34.079 --> 01:44:39.640 Donald Trump, we voted, we voted for what the left 1999 01:44:39.760 --> 01:44:42.760 thought Donald Trump was. That's a Donald Trump I want, okay, 2000 01:44:43.319 --> 01:44:48.199 and instead we got a seventy nine year old, six 2001 01:44:48.279 --> 01:44:56.319 foot two Kamala Harris. It is unbelievably disappointing. It's heartbreaking. 2002 01:44:57.479 --> 01:45:00.840 Yeah, the first administration was full of neo cons and supposedly, 2003 01:45:00.880 --> 01:45:04.359 oh well he didn't you know, Trump was not swift 2004 01:45:04.439 --> 01:45:07.079 enough to understand DC politics and he shouldn't have put 2005 01:45:07.159 --> 01:45:09.520 John Bolton all these people on his on his staff. 2006 01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:12.439 And then now we get this time around. Oh it's 2007 01:45:12.439 --> 01:45:13.840 going to be different. This time it's going to ruin 2008 01:45:13.880 --> 01:45:15.680 the swamp. And it looked like, for you know, the 2009 01:45:15.760 --> 01:45:19.960 first year, pretty pretty awesome actions, right, it was like 2010 01:45:20.159 --> 01:45:23.760 all up on the up and off stuff was great. 2011 01:45:23.920 --> 01:45:25.960 That was great, and then just the last six months 2012 01:45:26.079 --> 01:45:27.520 is just complete derail. 2013 01:45:28.119 --> 01:45:30.399 So have you I'm sure, well, I'm sure you have 2014 01:45:30.560 --> 01:45:33.119 seen that video of the lawyers talking to the Doge 2015 01:45:33.199 --> 01:45:36.960 kid and he just does not care. I have that's fantastic, 2016 01:45:37.039 --> 01:45:38.920 And they're like, well, do you have any background in 2017 01:45:39.079 --> 01:45:43.079 pant writing. And he's like no. And the thing is 2018 01:45:43.199 --> 01:45:47.760 is that all these people with like you know, all 2019 01:45:47.800 --> 01:45:50.920 these like sort of like slightly above IQ people, you know, 2020 01:45:51.000 --> 01:45:52.840 the one of five of the one tens, the kind 2021 01:45:52.880 --> 01:45:58.600 of people that really lead the left intellectually, they simply 2022 01:45:58.760 --> 01:46:02.399 cannot comprehend someone with an IQ of one thirty one 2023 01:46:02.600 --> 01:46:05.920 forty one fifty genius level, right, so one they can't 2024 01:46:05.960 --> 01:46:08.079 compound us. Someone with an IQ one thirty one forty 2025 01:46:08.119 --> 01:46:14.720 one fifty can handle things relatively with these that someone 2026 01:46:14.760 --> 01:46:17.800 with a one five, one ten IQ with master's degrees 2027 01:46:18.199 --> 01:46:20.880 is struggling with. I mean, like you know, IQ is 2028 01:46:20.880 --> 01:46:23.760 based on pattern recognition. The higher IQ is, the better 2029 01:46:23.840 --> 01:46:26.039 you aren't recognizing patterns. It's one of the one of 2030 01:46:26.079 --> 01:46:30.119 the hallmarks of high IQ. It does not take a 2031 01:46:30.199 --> 01:46:33.159 genius to do grant writing and just be like well, okay, 2032 01:46:33.359 --> 01:46:38.319 like standards say no DEI okay, well says Dum. And 2033 01:46:38.399 --> 01:46:40.119 they're talking to this kid and he's like, well, says 2034 01:46:40.199 --> 01:46:44.359 Deu in the title, and you realize is like I 2035 01:46:44.399 --> 01:46:46.880 grew up in Seattle, very very very far left place. 2036 01:46:46.960 --> 01:46:49.680 All the all the left really has is elitism and 2037 01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:53.000 being smug. That's all I have. It's it's just say, oh, 2038 01:46:53.119 --> 01:46:56.960 you believe in the It's like, yes, I do, and 2039 01:46:57.119 --> 01:46:59.760 in the presuppositions I have. Like in your debate, you asked, 2040 01:47:00.960 --> 01:47:03.239 why is racism wrong? Yeah, And the guy had no, 2041 01:47:03.439 --> 01:47:04.840 like intellectual framework. 2042 01:47:04.560 --> 01:47:08.199 Because it means you're an asshole? That was his argument. Okay, okay, 2043 01:47:08.239 --> 01:47:10.600 Well what's wrong with being an asshole? In your world view? 2044 01:47:10.720 --> 01:47:11.640 Maybe that's God? 2045 01:47:11.760 --> 01:47:12.920 So what's wrong with being an asshole? 2046 01:47:13.159 --> 01:47:15.560 Right? And there's no, there's no I mean, maybe that's 2047 01:47:15.560 --> 01:47:16.560 a survival technique. 2048 01:47:16.600 --> 01:47:20.159 Being that one funny because in the debate he says, 2049 01:47:20.840 --> 01:47:25.920 I actually hold you liable dire because you freely chose religion, 2050 01:47:26.039 --> 01:47:28.840 which is a sickness for mankind. And he says, and 2051 01:47:28.960 --> 01:47:31.479 yet you castigate gay people who don't make a choice 2052 01:47:31.520 --> 01:47:32.680 to be gay. And I'm like, so, wait a minute, 2053 01:47:32.680 --> 01:47:35.399 wait a minute, win it. Why could I not just 2054 01:47:35.520 --> 01:47:39.159 be conditioned to believe my religion as a survival mechanism 2055 01:47:39.760 --> 01:47:41.600 in the same way that you're giving a pass to 2056 01:47:42.439 --> 01:47:46.720 homosexuals who don't make a choice. And he just sat 2057 01:47:46.760 --> 01:47:50.079 there and was like, is this different? Well, why there's 2058 01:47:50.119 --> 01:47:52.560 no God? We're all just conditioned just because of free will, 2059 01:47:53.159 --> 01:47:57.119 Like you understand that in philosophy, most of today's atheists philosophers, 2060 01:47:58.079 --> 01:48:00.359 they don't believe in free will because free will is 2061 01:48:00.479 --> 01:48:05.159 just as much a metaphysical commitment as God. Yeah, and 2062 01:48:05.279 --> 01:48:08.319 if God doesn't exist, and as a fairy tale as Brian, 2063 01:48:08.399 --> 01:48:10.600 the opponent in the debate said, why is free will 2064 01:48:10.720 --> 01:48:14.720 not a fiction? Can you observe free will in the microscope? Okay, 2065 01:48:14.880 --> 01:48:16.520 well then how do you know that there's free will? 2066 01:48:16.560 --> 01:48:20.039 It's not in molecules, it's not matter, So what is it. 2067 01:48:20.159 --> 01:48:24.199 It's a philosophical, metaphysical commitment that you can't empirically prove 2068 01:48:24.239 --> 01:48:27.159 with a microscope. Same argument's making against God. 2069 01:48:27.239 --> 01:48:28.399 So he just couldn't fall. 2070 01:48:29.520 --> 01:48:32.439 Uh No, he actually got that that was a challenge, 2071 01:48:32.800 --> 01:48:36.720 and then he often went off into Trump. Let's get 2072 01:48:36.760 --> 01:48:39.359 into Trump. So yeah, every time in the debate when 2073 01:48:39.359 --> 01:48:41.920 there's a real significant sort of challenge, it shifts into 2074 01:48:42.439 --> 01:48:43.399 let's talk about immigration. 2075 01:48:43.600 --> 01:48:49.439 So unbelievable, unbelievable. Yeah, I really admire how you're able 2076 01:48:49.520 --> 01:48:51.840 to debate people because I'm just not I mean, I'm 2077 01:48:51.880 --> 01:48:55.199 a very bookish person who you know, I you know, 2078 01:48:55.920 --> 01:48:59.840 I like, you know, just reading and studying and I'm 2079 01:49:01.000 --> 01:49:04.119 not terribly articulate, and so I very much admire I'm 2080 01:49:04.239 --> 01:49:05.960 very wild a boy, how you can just debate and 2081 01:49:06.079 --> 01:49:08.359 ride away like break down these arguments. I just kind 2082 01:49:08.359 --> 01:49:10.199 of have to stare out and be like, how would 2083 01:49:10.199 --> 01:49:13.800 I phrase? You know? Howould I I mean? How did you? 2084 01:49:14.000 --> 01:49:18.039 How have you always been that way? Is this training? Oh? 2085 01:49:18.159 --> 01:49:21.000 It's a good question. I don't when you look back. 2086 01:49:20.920 --> 01:49:23.439 On your early debates, so you're like, uh, or are 2087 01:49:23.479 --> 01:49:25.840 you like, oh, it's been pretty well, or how have 2088 01:49:25.920 --> 01:49:30.399 you developed? Have you developed as a debater any? 2089 01:49:30.560 --> 01:49:33.880 If anything? I think the development would just be in 2090 01:49:34.760 --> 01:49:39.720 being able to be way more concise, in nailing down 2091 01:49:40.000 --> 01:49:43.840 with precision the mistake that is being made because I 2092 01:49:43.880 --> 01:49:46.760 think early on it would take me probably longer and 2093 01:49:46.840 --> 01:49:49.039 then have to think longer and have to talk longer. 2094 01:49:49.760 --> 01:49:52.760 But if you talk a lot in ten years, which 2095 01:49:52.800 --> 01:49:54.880 I think a lot of podcasts and a lot of 2096 01:49:55.439 --> 01:49:57.880 of yapping in ten years, you actually get I think 2097 01:49:58.000 --> 01:50:01.640 better at quick formulating the thoughts and just going of 2098 01:50:01.720 --> 01:50:04.840 boiling it down. But also to say, with atheists or 2099 01:50:04.840 --> 01:50:08.960 perhaps even with Muslims, and maybe even Catholics and Protestants 2100 01:50:09.000 --> 01:50:13.840 as well, like the arguments that you hear are rarely 2101 01:50:14.079 --> 01:50:14.640 anything new. 2102 01:50:15.079 --> 01:50:16.039 Yeah, it's the same stuff. 2103 01:50:16.199 --> 01:50:18.920 So when I was nineteen and twenty, it was the 2104 01:50:18.960 --> 01:50:20.800 first time it started debating, and I listened to a 2105 01:50:20.840 --> 01:50:22.920 lot of Bonds and debates and he would debate atheists 2106 01:50:22.960 --> 01:50:26.000 and these people, and I would just listen to him 2107 01:50:26.039 --> 01:50:28.920 and Gordon Stein debating over and over and over, because 2108 01:50:28.960 --> 01:50:32.000 that's a really formative, excellent debaate. Anybody who is interested 2109 01:50:32.079 --> 01:50:35.640 in that. That's a classic atheist theist debate, the Bons 2110 01:50:35.680 --> 01:50:37.800 and Steining debate. You can find it on YouTube. I 2111 01:50:37.840 --> 01:50:39.960 remember I listened to that probably ten or twenty times, 2112 01:50:40.039 --> 01:50:42.840 and I just realized, Okay, this is a pretty you know, 2113 01:50:43.520 --> 01:50:46.119 amazing strategy of debating is to just call in to 2114 01:50:46.239 --> 01:50:49.319 question people's assumptions. And really that's the history of what 2115 01:50:49.359 --> 01:50:52.359 philosophy is. When when Socrates is going out in the 2116 01:50:52.399 --> 01:50:55.439 Apology and he's just sort of randomly asking people all 2117 01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:58.359 throughout Athens, like, how do I know what the meaning 2118 01:50:58.439 --> 01:50:58.960 of life is? 2119 01:50:59.239 --> 01:50:59.359 Right? 2120 01:50:59.439 --> 01:51:02.159 And he goes to the you know, the artisan and 2121 01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:04.600 he says, oh, well, doing a craft is the meaning 2122 01:51:04.640 --> 01:51:06.680 of life. And then he asked the politician of Poulticisans 2123 01:51:06.680 --> 01:51:09.640 say politics is the real source of meaning of life, 2124 01:51:09.680 --> 01:51:12.319 and basically no one has a clear answer. And then 2125 01:51:12.359 --> 01:51:14.119 he goes to the oracle of Delphi and he says, well, 2126 01:51:14.119 --> 01:51:17.520 who's the real wise man? And that oracle says you 2127 01:51:17.680 --> 01:51:20.880 are because you don't know, and a lot low I 2128 01:51:20.960 --> 01:51:23.119 keep people think that that means that we're all relativists 2129 01:51:23.119 --> 01:51:25.399 and we should just have no He's just basically it's 2130 01:51:25.439 --> 01:51:29.199 an apathatic approach to saying I have to kind of 2131 01:51:29.239 --> 01:51:32.279 go through a questioning process of figuring out, Okay, well 2132 01:51:32.319 --> 01:51:34.319 they don't have a consistent answer. They don't know. This 2133 01:51:34.560 --> 01:51:37.119 isn't consistent. They don't know, And so debate is kind 2134 01:51:37.119 --> 01:51:38.840 of the same type of thing for me, which is 2135 01:51:39.840 --> 01:51:46.159 most people don't think about why their arguments are coherent 2136 01:51:46.239 --> 01:51:49.560 or consistent. They just spout them out. And even people 2137 01:51:49.600 --> 01:51:53.920 who are philosophers or professors, even most of them don't 2138 01:51:53.960 --> 01:51:56.800 really think out their positions. And so a lot of 2139 01:51:56.840 --> 01:51:59.920 people are just very arbitrary. I would say ninety percent 2140 01:52:00.039 --> 01:52:03.399 of people when they argue, it's just arbitrary. It's just assertions. Okay, 2141 01:52:03.439 --> 01:52:06.359 but why ought we believe? What's the good reasons for 2142 01:52:06.479 --> 01:52:10.439 that belief? So yeah, just kind of those basic principles. 2143 01:52:11.000 --> 01:52:14.239 In knowing basic logical fallacies, you're going to be able 2144 01:52:14.279 --> 01:52:17.039 to beat ninety ninety five percent of people. Really only 2145 01:52:17.079 --> 01:52:21.880 when you encounter like a studied professor who knows you 2146 01:52:21.960 --> 01:52:25.800 know those topics really well, would you perhaps not do that? Great? 2147 01:52:25.880 --> 01:52:29.760 But as you know, like I've not heard an atheist 2148 01:52:29.880 --> 01:52:33.680 present any new or different argument than I heard when 2149 01:52:33.720 --> 01:52:34.239 I was twenty. 2150 01:52:34.680 --> 01:52:36.199 It's all just a problem of evil. 2151 01:52:36.319 --> 01:52:42.680 It's that question, or yeah, or just repeating relativism and subductivism. 2152 01:52:42.720 --> 01:52:45.159 Everything is relative. Okay, Well is that relative? I mean 2153 01:52:45.520 --> 01:52:49.680 it's the same basic stuff, and it's I think it's 2154 01:52:49.680 --> 01:52:51.039 the same with Catholic apologetics. 2155 01:52:51.079 --> 01:52:53.600 I mean, what would you say just overall those like 2156 01:52:53.840 --> 01:52:57.319 the top five logical fallacies you encounter in debates. 2157 01:52:58.000 --> 01:53:01.079 Obviously number one would be people rely on at hominem. 2158 01:53:01.439 --> 01:53:04.439 I mean, well, that can't be true because you're bad, 2159 01:53:04.920 --> 01:53:08.319 You're mean, uh, you know, none of that has anything. 2160 01:53:08.560 --> 01:53:12.119 Let's okay, fine, I'm Judas, But how is the argument wrong? Right? 2161 01:53:12.439 --> 01:53:15.800 Because I mean, Judas Jewish can say something true, right, right, 2162 01:53:15.920 --> 01:53:19.000 So his character doesn't have anything necessarily to do with 2163 01:53:20.000 --> 01:53:23.600 the problem that he's that he's that he's addressing, unless 2164 01:53:23.800 --> 01:53:26.000 the topic happens to be his character. In that case, 2165 01:53:26.039 --> 01:53:29.319 it wouldn't be an ad hominem, but next would be 2166 01:53:29.479 --> 01:53:32.119 probably just non sequiturs. This is really common where people 2167 01:53:32.359 --> 01:53:36.119 make leaps to things that don't logically follow from what 2168 01:53:36.239 --> 01:53:39.720 they argued. Right, So, for example, I don't know something like. 2169 01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:41.199 So Iran is bad, there. 2170 01:53:41.800 --> 01:53:44.439 There for good? Right, Well, that's a non sequentor exactly 2171 01:53:44.680 --> 01:53:47.920 genetic fallacy would be another classic one that the origin 2172 01:53:48.039 --> 01:53:49.600 or the source of something really has nothing to do 2173 01:53:49.680 --> 01:53:51.239 with whether it's true, false, or good. 2174 01:53:52.520 --> 01:53:53.760 So fallacy. 2175 01:53:56.119 --> 01:54:03.000 Three probably psychological report, which is not technically a fallacy. 2176 01:54:03.079 --> 01:54:05.119 But a lot of times when you say this is 2177 01:54:05.199 --> 01:54:06.840 very common with Matt dill Hunt. He does this all 2178 01:54:06.840 --> 01:54:10.920 the time where he says, you know, I just find 2179 01:54:11.000 --> 01:54:13.920 your argument is to be extremely unconvincing. And I've heard 2180 01:54:13.960 --> 01:54:17.479 this argument for many times, twenty times in my last 2181 01:54:18.079 --> 01:54:21.079 twenty debates, and I really just find this, Well, that 2182 01:54:21.159 --> 01:54:25.199 has nothing to do It's you're giving us a psychological 2183 01:54:25.279 --> 01:54:28.520 report of how you feel about the arguments, But that's 2184 01:54:28.560 --> 01:54:29.119 not an argument. 2185 01:54:29.239 --> 01:54:31.960 Is that the same as bagging the question? Maybe that's another. 2186 01:54:31.720 --> 01:54:38.720 Word basically the same thing. Yeah. Also, people do parts 2187 01:54:38.760 --> 01:54:41.119 whole fallacies all the time where they assume that's something 2188 01:54:41.199 --> 01:54:44.560 that's true of part of an issue or part of 2189 01:54:44.640 --> 01:54:47.039 a topic or something like that you can then attribute 2190 01:54:47.039 --> 01:54:51.600 that to the whole thing, or correlation causation type fallacy. 2191 01:54:51.680 --> 01:54:52.319 Those are common. 2192 01:54:54.079 --> 01:54:56.720 What would be a good example of a correlation causation. 2193 01:54:56.479 --> 01:55:01.640 Fallacy, Well, Brian too this where he said religion is 2194 01:55:01.760 --> 01:55:07.319 bad because religion has caused millions of people that have 2195 01:55:07.399 --> 01:55:11.000 psychological problems in many people to die in the last century, 2196 01:55:11.159 --> 01:55:14.079 so religion is bad. Well, the fact that a lot 2197 01:55:14.079 --> 01:55:17.239 of people died in the twentieth century is not necessarily 2198 01:55:17.640 --> 01:55:21.560 distributed to religion necessarily, and you could make the same 2199 01:55:21.680 --> 01:55:26.920 argument that atheism killed millions of people. Which again, if 2200 01:55:26.960 --> 01:55:29.880 you're going to say that there's a connection between the 2201 01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:31.880 cause of the thing and some other thing that might 2202 01:55:31.920 --> 01:55:34.239 be correlated with it, that could lead you to you 2203 01:55:34.319 --> 01:55:38.439 can conclude all kinds of things. But also something that 2204 01:55:38.560 --> 01:55:40.399 came up in the branch s pirit debate, and this 2205 01:55:40.479 --> 01:55:43.039 is that further degagon Anis highlights a lot, which is 2206 01:55:43.119 --> 01:55:46.479 that when people people don't realize that in a debate, 2207 01:55:47.760 --> 01:55:54.720 when you argue something, you're necessarily allowing the opponent to 2208 01:55:54.880 --> 01:55:58.359 also have the same type of argument because of the 2209 01:55:58.479 --> 01:56:04.199 rules of debate. You argue, for example, that well it's 2210 01:56:04.279 --> 01:56:07.600 true because truth is relative and I can just assert 2211 01:56:07.720 --> 01:56:10.079 whatever I feel to be true. Well, then the other 2212 01:56:10.119 --> 01:56:13.520 person can assert the opposite, and so basically you can 2213 01:56:13.560 --> 01:56:15.920 see the debate because no one can get anywhere because 2214 01:56:15.920 --> 01:56:18.680 you've basically given up the laws of logic and critical thinking. 2215 01:56:18.800 --> 01:56:22.880 So essentially, you know, flipping this is not a too 2216 01:56:22.960 --> 01:56:25.439 quoqui fallacy, but flipping it that's another one. What about 2217 01:56:25.560 --> 01:56:27.760 ism where you you know, that's a common one where 2218 01:56:27.800 --> 01:56:32.119 people say when you say. I said to Brian, well, Brian, 2219 01:56:32.279 --> 01:56:35.479 can you tell me on you know, we got into immigration, 2220 01:56:35.680 --> 01:56:39.840 and I said, what do you think sensible immigration would 2221 01:56:39.880 --> 01:56:42.960 look like if it's open borders in other countries? Should 2222 01:56:43.039 --> 01:56:47.399 Japan have infinity migrants? And he said, yes, it's a 2223 01:56:47.600 --> 01:56:50.319 universal rule that everyone should have a kind of open 2224 01:56:50.359 --> 01:56:54.039 border's policy. And I said, how is that a universal 2225 01:56:54.159 --> 01:56:58.880 rule if you're a moral subjectivist relativist. Yeah, and then 2226 01:56:58.920 --> 01:57:02.039 he went back and forth on well, it's my personal preference, 2227 01:57:02.199 --> 01:57:04.319 but I want that for everybody. I was like, okay, 2228 01:57:04.439 --> 01:57:06.680 but how are you arguing that we ought to follow 2229 01:57:06.720 --> 01:57:08.920 that if you're a reletist anyway. 2230 01:57:09.039 --> 01:57:11.199 Point being is that how did you stay home with 2231 01:57:11.279 --> 01:57:11.640 this guy? 2232 01:57:12.720 --> 01:57:15.600 Because it was it was actually very similar to the 2233 01:57:15.640 --> 01:57:17.960 Tim Fold debate, where it was kind of funny. Oh, 2234 01:57:18.399 --> 01:57:20.359 it actually I was actually having fun with it. And 2235 01:57:20.520 --> 01:57:22.640 so when, for example, he would get into there was 2236 01:57:22.680 --> 01:57:25.840 a great point about racism where he said, and you 2237 01:57:26.239 --> 01:57:30.439 you white people, don't you White Christian males don't give 2238 01:57:30.560 --> 01:57:36.359 proper place to bipoc people and to Muslim erab peoples, 2239 01:57:36.520 --> 01:57:38.399 whom I know very And he was like pounding, like 2240 01:57:38.520 --> 01:57:42.000 they are good people. And I'm like, so you're dividing 2241 01:57:42.079 --> 01:57:45.720 people up by the races. He's like yeah. I was like, 2242 01:57:45.760 --> 01:57:48.399 wouldn't that be kind of aren't you doing a racism? 2243 01:57:48.960 --> 01:57:52.800 This is Brian Shapiro And he's like, no, it's different. 2244 01:57:53.199 --> 01:57:55.920 What's just a surname etymology on Shapiro here? 2245 01:57:57.079 --> 01:57:59.439 Well, and then he talked about he disagree with this 2246 01:57:59.640 --> 01:58:03.720 aspect like the synagogue of men and women being separated 2247 01:58:03.800 --> 01:58:07.960 by genders and race. And I'm like, but Brian, you 2248 01:58:08.159 --> 01:58:12.680 just said that you don't like white Christian males, So 2249 01:58:13.560 --> 01:58:16.119 you're being racist, aren't you? On your own grounds? 2250 01:58:17.159 --> 01:58:19.439 It's unbelievable to me because, like you know, I was 2251 01:58:19.479 --> 01:58:22.039 received into the church by a priest as a convert 2252 01:58:22.079 --> 01:58:25.520 from Judaism. And I've known many, many converts from Judaism, 2253 01:58:26.079 --> 01:58:29.479 and I find that when when when they convert to Christianity, 2254 01:58:29.560 --> 01:58:33.239 they almost always become very empathetic, very you know it, 2255 01:58:33.399 --> 01:58:38.079 really like, they become very empathetic people. They're very caring. 2256 01:58:38.319 --> 01:58:41.000 You know, they're very good at networking. So they go, Okay, 2257 01:58:41.079 --> 01:58:44.159 let's you know, get and finances, let's get the church's 2258 01:58:44.239 --> 01:58:49.600 finances worked out. But when they go down the atheistic route, 2259 01:58:49.720 --> 01:58:56.279 it's just like nihilism on steroids. It's like, how nihilistic? 2260 01:58:56.439 --> 01:58:59.920 How obnoxious can I get about this? It's very sad. 2261 01:59:00.840 --> 01:59:02.800 It's very sad because you know, these are all humans 2262 01:59:02.880 --> 01:59:06.359 who who need need to be saved. They're desperate need 2263 01:59:06.439 --> 01:59:12.239 of of Christ, absolutely desperate need. And so no matter 2264 01:59:12.319 --> 01:59:15.239 how much you know one likes or does not like 2265 01:59:15.399 --> 01:59:18.640 certain ethnic or cultural groups, none of us can deny 2266 01:59:18.760 --> 01:59:23.680 that these groups are better off outside the church. None 2267 01:59:23.720 --> 01:59:25.319 of us can say that, like, you know, for all 2268 01:59:25.399 --> 01:59:28.359 the for all the faults of say, you know, I 2269 01:59:28.399 --> 01:59:33.159 don't like say you know, whatever culture name one, that 2270 01:59:33.319 --> 01:59:39.039 culture is not better off unconverted. Yeah, they're better off converted. 2271 01:59:39.399 --> 01:59:42.000 Which is interesting because the majority of that debate the 2272 01:59:42.239 --> 01:59:46.439 day with that guy was all really just about practical effects. 2273 01:59:46.920 --> 01:59:50.720 Religion hurts society. You as a white male who wants 2274 01:59:50.800 --> 01:59:53.680 to have a wife at home. That hurts society, hurts women, 2275 01:59:53.760 --> 01:59:56.119 it hurts BIPOC people, by the way. I was like, 2276 01:59:56.239 --> 01:59:58.399 by the way, I am a BIPOC person. I identify 2277 01:59:58.399 --> 02:00:01.199 as one, and can't tell me I can't identify as 2278 02:00:01.239 --> 02:00:02.600 one because then you'll be being a bigot. 2279 02:00:02.720 --> 02:00:02.840 Right. 2280 02:00:03.760 --> 02:00:05.159 He didn't really know what to do with that one. 2281 02:00:07.199 --> 02:00:09.159 But they hear that and they just they don't have 2282 02:00:09.319 --> 02:00:11.399 the thought process to be like, oh wait, this does 2283 02:00:11.479 --> 02:00:15.960 put me in a conundrum because they're very absolute about 2284 02:00:16.000 --> 02:00:19.640 their absolutes. It's it's absolutism for them, relativism. 2285 02:00:19.119 --> 02:00:22.640 For you for you, Yeah exactly, so yeah, I mean, 2286 02:00:22.960 --> 02:00:25.960 you know again, it's just like whether you're debating with 2287 02:00:26.039 --> 02:00:30.000 a sort of you know, rabbit atheist or a leftist 2288 02:00:30.119 --> 02:00:34.560 or whatever materialist person, like, it's always the same line 2289 02:00:34.600 --> 02:00:40.079 of argumentations and it never changes. It'll be interesting to 2290 02:00:40.119 --> 02:00:43.439 actually see an atheist or somebody offer some kind of 2291 02:00:43.479 --> 02:00:46.079 new type of Like it's basically just a repeat of 2292 02:00:46.119 --> 02:00:50.520 the stuff that the Didn't Hawkins, Sam Harris people were 2293 02:00:50.560 --> 02:00:52.720 saying twenty years ago. Doesn't really change very much. So 2294 02:00:53.479 --> 02:00:55.359 again you know that though with I mean, the papacy 2295 02:00:55.399 --> 02:01:01.920 debate's always the same, debate has changed, but yeah, I mean, anyway. 2296 02:01:02.399 --> 02:01:05.159 Well, anyone is watching. If you want to come on, 2297 02:01:05.319 --> 02:01:07.760 if you're willing to come out in person to Las Vegas, 2298 02:01:08.159 --> 02:01:11.319 write to meet my contact infos in the video description. 2299 02:01:11.840 --> 02:01:13.520 You want to tell your story, you have a book 2300 02:01:13.600 --> 02:01:16.359 to promote, you have a film or what not that 2301 02:01:16.439 --> 02:01:19.399 you'd like to promote. Let me know and you can 2302 02:01:19.439 --> 02:01:25.439 be sitting where Jay is in you know, matter of weeks. Jay. 2303 02:01:25.479 --> 02:01:27.239 If they want to reach you, how do they contact you? 2304 02:01:28.000 --> 02:01:30.159 Find me on YouTube, find me on Twitter, find me 2305 02:01:30.239 --> 02:01:35.000 on all the normal social media outlets, just under my name. Website. 2306 02:01:35.000 --> 02:01:36.840 I don't know if I have a contact on there anymore, 2307 02:01:36.920 --> 02:01:39.439 but you can subscribe with the website for the archives 2308 02:01:40.159 --> 02:01:43.279 books in the shop. But I think there is an 2309 02:01:43.319 --> 02:01:45.439 email on the website. They do want to reach me, okay, 2310 02:01:45.640 --> 02:01:46.479 on the email on the website. 2311 02:01:46.560 --> 02:01:49.159 Okay, And where are you going from here? After you leave, 2312 02:01:50.399 --> 02:01:50.800 we get. 2313 02:01:50.720 --> 02:01:55.800 Directly to La and then we have a couple of 2314 02:01:55.880 --> 02:02:02.319 podcasts dealing with debates and Coolly, who's a black dude 2315 02:02:02.359 --> 02:02:04.960 that does a YouTube channel year towards debates, going to 2316 02:02:05.000 --> 02:02:06.520 be He's trying to set up a debate with the 2317 02:02:06.720 --> 02:02:10.199 black yepri is Alie dude, which we had one of 2318 02:02:10.199 --> 02:02:11.600 those guys. I think the guy that I'm going to 2319 02:02:11.680 --> 02:02:14.439 debate actually did call in a year or two ago 2320 02:02:14.479 --> 02:02:17.439 and it was a really funny exchange. So that's gonna 2321 02:02:17.439 --> 02:02:20.800 be interesting. We've got Jamie Kennedy, the comedian will Be. 2322 02:02:21.079 --> 02:02:22.600 We've done a bunch of shows with him. We're going 2323 02:02:22.640 --> 02:02:27.319 on his podcast, Sam Tripley's podcast whatever podcast to debate 2324 02:02:27.439 --> 02:02:34.239 another feminist jesse Lee Peterson podcast, another interview with Steffan Malinu, 2325 02:02:34.359 --> 02:02:39.159 and then we're doing uh doctor Drew podcast. 2326 02:02:39.199 --> 02:02:42.760 Oh wow, Doctor Drew. Okay, right one, I remember Doctor's 2327 02:02:42.800 --> 02:02:43.760 Your Back when from high. 2328 02:02:43.600 --> 02:02:46.199 School exactly love line when the nineties. 2329 02:02:46.439 --> 02:02:49.039 Yeah, the radio show I remember, I regularly called the 2330 02:02:49.159 --> 02:02:49.760 radio show. 2331 02:02:51.000 --> 02:02:54.359 He's kind of been having some conspiracy oriented people of late, 2332 02:02:54.560 --> 02:02:56.760 so yeah, that was That's gonna be fun. And of 2333 02:02:56.840 --> 02:02:58.720 course jesse Lee Peterson is a character. 2334 02:02:59.640 --> 02:03:02.720 What is your wife working on? Terms of projects? Podcasts? 2335 02:03:03.880 --> 02:03:04.600 So she and I do. 2336 02:03:04.680 --> 02:03:04.880 We do. 2337 02:03:05.199 --> 02:03:08.520 We're going to do a Lord of the Rings Hobbit. 2338 02:03:08.760 --> 02:03:10.720 I did a part one of the Hobbit analysis, and 2339 02:03:10.840 --> 02:03:13.119 she and I are going to do Orthodox appraise in 2340 02:03:13.239 --> 02:03:15.920 the middle of Earth. Okay, so we're gonna do that 2341 02:03:15.960 --> 02:03:18.479 in the next few days. We'll probably have another Orthodox 2342 02:03:18.600 --> 02:03:21.119 conference down at our church in Florida this year, probably 2343 02:03:21.159 --> 02:03:26.760 around November, and so she will be doing some Tolkien 2344 02:03:26.800 --> 02:03:30.600 Hobbit stuff with me on the channel upcoming. She's done 2345 02:03:30.680 --> 02:03:33.560 some literary and also she just did a deep dive 2346 02:03:33.640 --> 02:03:36.279 with a friend of ours who's newly attending an Orthodox 2347 02:03:36.359 --> 02:03:39.840 church based lit analyzer. So shout out to Bla. They 2348 02:03:39.880 --> 02:03:43.000 did a podcast breaking down Gothic literature, so they did 2349 02:03:43.560 --> 02:03:47.840 Frankenstein and some other Gothic texts. So she does that 2350 02:03:47.960 --> 02:03:50.439 kind of stuff of late. So we're doing more lit stuff. 2351 02:03:50.640 --> 02:03:54.199 Wonderful, wonderful. She's a very very lovely person, very nice, 2352 02:03:54.720 --> 02:03:57.439 very polite, very well spoken. Is there anyone else you 2353 02:03:57.520 --> 02:03:58.520 want to give a shout out. 2354 02:03:58.399 --> 02:04:02.720 To, you know, shout out to David real Medwise, shout 2355 02:04:02.720 --> 02:04:06.880 out to all the guys in the in the Discord Autocratic, 2356 02:04:06.960 --> 02:04:11.039 shout out to Kai and Lewis at Orthodox SHO wonderful people. 2357 02:04:14.199 --> 02:04:17.119 I hope I'm not forgetting anybody, but anyway, yeah, so 2358 02:04:17.359 --> 02:04:19.880 uh shout out to you know, Sam Hid and all 2359 02:04:19.880 --> 02:04:20.359 those guys. 2360 02:04:20.760 --> 02:04:26.399 Wonderful Jay. It has been phenomenal having you on. I 2361 02:04:26.520 --> 02:04:28.399 cannot thank you enough for coming out and thank you 2362 02:04:28.560 --> 02:04:32.720 so much. Esoteric Hollywood. Buy it on Jay's website. It's 2363 02:04:32.720 --> 02:04:36.840 gonna be linked in the video description. Jay, until next time, 2364 02:04:37.239 --> 02:04:40.800 Thank you so much. I love